March 26, 2025 • 52 mins
Jennie Garth joins Jackie and Jen to discuss all things love, family and reclaiming your identity after fifty.
What was Jennie’s life changing “aha” moment after her divorce?
Plus, Jackie and Jen reveal their next career moves after RHONJ.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey everyone, I'm Jackie Goldschneider. I'm Jen Fessler, and we
are two Jersey Jays. And Jen, you are freshly back
from La and a girls trip. How are you feeling?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
It actually was? It was what was sort of a
girl's trip. I went to La so I told you this,
But Jeff has a conference every year in Laguna. It's
like the most fun. So I usually go for this conference.
This year just hoppen to coincide with a few things
that I was able to pull off, like the iHeart
Music Awards.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I had BAUMO.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
It was so unbelievably over the top grade. It was
so much fun. Yeah, just got to like mix it
up with the likes of Benson Boone and Henry Winkler.
And oh, by the way, Zoe Winkler is we're going
to have her on the pod.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yes, I know, I know, I don't know her at all.
Is she meeting zo?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
She is a living doll? And so she's actually having
Ron Howard on. She wants us to come on hers
as well, but she's having oh like Ron Howard on next,
I believe.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Oh, so that's exciting. Yeah, and then you went to Texas?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Huh, so I was in Texas because I have these
three best friends from high school and one of them
is still is in Houston. So we've talked about it before,
but I grew up in Houston, and she's been wanting
us to join her at the rodeo. She's on all
these rodeo committees in Houston. So I was finally able
to do it, and it was the most fun. Oh
(01:30):
my god, an old Dominion was playing. Yeah, yeah, I
just I haven't been back to Texas in like thirty
five years. Well that's not true. I haven't been back
to Houston in thirty five years. And I got to
visit my old high school and.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Oh, that's so nice. That's really nicely great. I thought
you went to Texas more often than that. I went
to a rodeo and we went to Jackson Hall like
a year and a half ago, and we went to
a rodeo and it was so fun. I mean, the
energy there is just so different than it is here
on like the East Coast, you.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Know, oh one hundred. There's there were certain things, certain
aspects of it that I don't love, just I don't know,
being an animal lover, and I'm kind of unsure about
they say that they take such good care of the
animals at Rodeo, but I don't know. Some of it
was hard for me to watch. But anyway, having said that, anyway,
still fun.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah, it was really really fun. Time you look refresh. Yes.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Oh and when I was at iHeart, I got to
meet one of the favorite one of my favorite people
that I got to meet was Tory Spelling.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Oh, which ties in perfectly today.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
It does, Yes, it does.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I almost like don't want to meet my heroes because
like I have these women in my head as like
I just idolized them when I was a kid watching them.
You know, they're just a little bit older than I am,
and so when I was a young teen just watching
them on nine, O, two and O was just like
they were everything I do. I know.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, I agree, the same special yeah yeah, And she
was so warm, she was there was a kind of
like a kind of a barrier between us, but I
don't know, I kind of tapped her on the shoulder.
She turned around, she knew who we were, so that
just I was just labergasted by that. And then she kind
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of like went over the divider to give me a
hug to take the picture she was such a doll.
I'm like, we're gonna talk. I mean, it's just this
is the nine o two one a week. I'm like
over the moon.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
By the way, we have a very special guest today.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yes, it is none other than Kelly Taylor herself, Jenny Garth.
I almost can't believe it because, like I, you know,
I just these people were never real to me, you know,
But she is actually quite She has lived quite an
interesting life from child star to you know, very interesting
(03:55):
relationship dynamics and a lot of really good work, creative work.
So I'm really excited to dig into all of it
with Harber. So Jenny, he's skyrocketed to start him with
her role as Kelly Taylor on Beverly Hills nine o
two and oh the original For anyone younger who's listening,
We're not talking about the one that came out ten
(04:16):
years ago, although I believe she might have been a
part of that also, we're talking about the real deal,
like the first the first go round, the show became
like a ratings success, lasting ten seasons and it remains
one of the most successful and iconic television series ever produced.
And then She's worked in a whole bunch of more
(04:37):
TV shows and films What I Like About You with
Amanda Vines, Hallmark Movies, Lifetime Movies, many more. She's an
entrepreneur with a fashion line Me by Jenny Garth. She's
the host of three different podcasts on iHeart Nine, O
two to one, MG, I Choose Me, and I Do
Part Two. She lives in LA with her husband Dave,
(05:00):
three daughters.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
It's so funny think of Jenny Garth with three daughters
right now.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Well they're also are now they're like no adult all right,
well my age? I think no, No, the daughters are
like twenty or like nineteen, and.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Jenny's like my age. I mean you're younger, right.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I'm forty eight.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I think she's maybe early fifties.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
No, yeah, early fifties, so right, rights back between us, Yeah,
like those younger listeners, whoever's out there listening to us
is even younger than us.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
And trying to think of the equivalent, Jack, it would
be like.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I feel like middle aged. Like it's I don't think
of us as different ages.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Which I appear very much, being that we are ten
years apart.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Do you think of yourself as I'm not asking this
for you to freak out, but like almost sixty but
you're not. But like, is that the way you want that?
It doesn't.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
First all, I don't at all freak out. I think
of I mean, fifty six. I'll be fifty seven in August,
so I guess I am on the other side of fifty, right.
You know, I don't know why it doesn't freak me out. Really,
it's uh and I almost feel very proud of it.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah, you have a lot of things to show for it.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah, we all do.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Well.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Hello, Jenny Garth By, We are so excited to have you.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
I was just telling Jackie how I was at the
iHeart Awards this past week weekend and I got to
meet Tory and it was just so surreal. And I'm
talking to you now like it's just normal and you
and I chat on the phone all the time. But
it's for I think women and jet for Jackie too.
For us, it's like, yeah, women our age. It's hard
(06:48):
to even explain, Like I wish I want to say
to my daughter, she knows who you are, but but
it's I'm trying to think of the modern day Jenny
Garth for her It's huge for us, you guys, I mean,
we grew wanted to be. I alternated between you and Brenda.
Kelly and Brenda. Really, I think everyone did.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Everyone our age did. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Most times it's one of the others.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
And Donna and Donna yeah yeah, And that.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Was obviously your most I mean to me, your most
famous role. Is that what you consider your most famous role,
like the biggest role of your life?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
And yeah, absolutely, that was my breakout role.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
That was the role that gave me the life I
have now, Like without that show, without that role, playing
Kelly Taylor in my life would be completely different. And
I'm just I'm always just keep that in mind.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I'm so grateful for it.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
But I've done other work that has, you know, been
fulfilling in different ways. But that is the show that
will go down that will be on my gravestone, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I think for sure that, Yeah, I'm sure that's I
love that you're grateful for it like that, because I
would think that it times, you know, you're so when
a character becomes so iconic and follows you around, I
would think that at times it would also become a
little bit frustrating. But gratitude is ye.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
It definitely really can.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
But I mean I have always been really super in
touch with the fact that if I hadn't gotten that role,
my life wouldn't be what it is today.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
And I think, you.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Know, I'm yeah, internally grateful for it.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
So let's talk about what it's like to be an
eighteen year old suddenly thrust into fame. Because Jen and
I we found like dalist fame, a reality show fame
in middle age, and even that is overwhelming. But as
an eighteen year old, were you eighteen when you got
the role?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I see, go seventeen, but yeaheenah.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah, to suddenly be you know, I assume that you
could have walked down the street without being stopped. What
was life? How did life change for you?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
It was weird.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Yeah, the show didn't break out for like a good season,
and the second season when we started airing episodes that
were set at the beach, and that just got a huge.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Awareness across the world.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
And I sort of went into this weird like I
can't leave the house mode, like a goraphobia. Yeah, but
I'm also a homebody, so it kind of works for me.
I love to be home and I it was it
was difficult, like just wherever we went it was I
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can't even think of anything else to describe it as,
but like the Beatles, Like it felt like that because
there were just always people coming at us and throngs
and that made me want to stay home a lot.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
So interesting. Do any of any of the other cast
members enjoy that thrive in that scenario, because I think
that there's even on again, like Jackie said, our b
List Reality TV cast World, but I think there are
some women that enjoyed a lot more than the others do.
Was was that the case with you guys, or was
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that anyone shell shocked?
Speaker 4 (09:58):
I really couldn't tell you what the others fully experienced
with it.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
I know for me it was complete shell shock, complete
fish out of water feelings.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
I'm a Midwestern girl. I'm as normal as they come,
and nobody in my family had ever had anything to
do with Hollywood or fame or anything like that. So
this was absolutely like way out of my comfort zone.
I think some people do thrive in that environment, and
I learned to make it work with my life, Like
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I had to really keep that in my job category
in my box. That was like I go to work
and that's what happens. And then I come home and
then it's peace and I'm normal and I'm who I
am authentically. So there was a lot of learning to
live with fame that I went through over the years.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
For sure. Yeah, well, you wouldn't have known it by
watching you. You always seemed to very like just perfect,
like Kelly Kelly Taylor and you just both seemed perfect.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
What is perfect you?
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Well, in my eyes, you know, as a kid watching
you like, you were the person I wanted to look
like and dress like and be like. And you are
the popular girl and when the show. So do you
keep in touch with your co stars asides from I
know you keep in such a story spelling yep, yep.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
We I was just group chatting what do you call it? Texting?
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Group texting with them yesterday, setting up some plans for
Ian's birthday.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
We're all going to be together.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
That's nice.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
So we should actually tell you also how sorry you've
lost two of your cast met and the whole world was,
you know, just sort of prompt as I can't imagine
how hard it must have been for you all. You
seem to have been such a tight knit group and
for years and way too young for two of you, unfortunately,
to not be with us anymore, just terrible.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
No, it doesn't make sense. It still doesn't make sense
for my brain, it's sure. And I.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Live in a world where they where they still are
a lot in my mind, so it's very, very hard
to understand that they're not here physically.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
No doubt, no doubt. Yeah, there were.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
See and zering at. My husband would always get very
frustrated by the fact that he was so old and
playing a teenager.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
You would always and Andrew.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
He was, Yeah, he was a few years older.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
A lot of the cast was a few years older
than they were playing. Yeah, A couple of us, a
few of the three of us I think were very
like age similar.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah, for sure, yeah, says I. And by the way,
and I am sorry sorry. Yes. So when the show ended,
was it like did you know it was coming or
did it just like stop? And what was that adjustment
like for you for your life?
Speaker 4 (12:52):
It was ten years I had had a baby at
the tail end of the show, so my life had
already started to go into its next phase. So luckily
when it ended, I had something to go put all
of my energy in, which was my daughter Luca, and
I really just dove deep into that being my purpose
(13:14):
and I loved it so much. I loved being a
mom so much that that was easy for me, and
staying home with her was easy for me, you know,
after so many years of getting up at five in
the morning to get to work by six and then
when the baby came, dragging her to work at six
am and having her there all day, fourteen hours a day.
It was a lot. And I was really looking forward
(13:35):
to just some peace in my life. And I had
that for a few years, and then I was like, ooh,
I need to work again.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
I feel like that itch.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
So that was when I went back out there and
tried something different. But it was a definite transition in life,
and I remember just not knowing what to do with myself,
like honestly, when to eat, when to go to the bathroom,
Because when you're working like that those kind of hours
every single day, literally your whole entire life is mapped
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out by someone else on a call sheet and you
just follow the rules and the people telling you what
to do. So I was out there, I was like, wow, okay,
I guess I should go to the bathroom.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Now, do you feel like it was the acting piece.
It sounds like it was part that you missed and
you wanted to get back to that, but the fame
piece of it. And I always think about that myself
because when I was younger, I wanted to be an actress,
and I was not a very good one. But I
think that I didn't want to necessarily be an actress.
I think I just wanted to be famous and I
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wanted to be on stage. You know. I think that's
sort of what drove me into reality TV obviously. But
do you is that part of it for you?
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Do you?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Do you still because you're still obviously you're we have
a lot more to talk about other than nine O
two one zero. You're crazy busy. But is that part
that drives you at all? Or is it more sort
of like these roles and the acting piece of it.
Do you enjoy the fame or is it just at
this point is it just cumbersome?
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Is it, you know, annoying to you. I'm sure you
still can't walk down the street without being stopped, and.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
No, I've I've tried to hide from it and that
worked for many years, and now at fifty, I just
decided to fully embrace it and accept this amazing sense of.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Community that I have with so much support and love.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
You know, the fans of the original show have followed
me through to every aspect of my career, every endeavor,
and I have found such an enormous gratitude for them,
and there I feel like we are a community now
and I inspire them, they inspire me. So I'm definitely
not hiding from any of it and just really just
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hunkering down and appreciating.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
It right now, you can enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yeah, I've had.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
This kind of career that's lasted this many years is
not easy to come by in this in this business.
So I'm just so.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Honestly proud of myself for this kind of like endurance
and just grateful that I'm still able to work, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
And then the.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Drive comes from a supporting my family. B I'm just
a passionate, driven person and I'm a creative.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
So I've got to keep moving. I've got to keep changing.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
I like to move houses, I like to get different cars,
I like to change my furniture.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
I feel like three husbands like I like change.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
I love that I'm not that great with change. I'll
live in the same house until last time I moved
fifteen years ago. I told my husband we will I'm
not moving in till I'm good. I'm not.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
I can't stand it. That's what my husband says.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
He says, I'm dying in this house. I was like, well,
I probably won't.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Be to be dying alone.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
So, but you have a lot of projects, so let's
let's talk about it. I'm most I'm really interested in
your clothing line, because that's sort of out and right.
That's like not in line with like all of the
acting and podcasting and writing. Tell us about the clothing line.
You've had that for a while.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Yes, yes, I had.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
I had been working with QVC on another project, and
through that experience, I just formed some relationships with.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Them, and they came to me and asked me if
I wanted to do my own line.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
And I was so taken back, like I was like, wow, okay,
I can do that. But it was like something I
had never done before, and entering into a whole new
world of business, the fashion business and design and learning how.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
To you know, stay on deadline and deliver.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
And there's so many parts of it that I had
never done, so I was like, ooh, challenged, Yes.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Please, I will do that.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
And so that, you know, because I had before that,
I had started to kind of really zero in on
what I wanted for the next chapter.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Of my life, and it didn't involve acting.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
It didn't involve waiting around for projects to come to
me and then being told like what somebody else's vision was.
I wanted to really move forward with all the things
inside of me might fulfill that creative part of me.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
And I'm you.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Know, saying no to acting for a while has been
really scary and it feels risky, but I keep just
telling myself it's okay, you're gonna be You're going to go,
You're gonna be fine. And so I'm kind of in
that vein right now, just entrepreneurship and also just building
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my brand, not just with fashion, but it's the backbone
of the brand is really about reminding women that we
have the opportunity in every moment to choose ourselves and
that for me, you know, it's just kind of the
backbone of everything that the brand does, whether it's fashion,
whether it's the podcast, whether it's the live event and
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more to come.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Like I'm just I'm so.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Happy to have found that passion that I can build
upon for my future and you know what, for the
future of my family, Like when I'm gone, I want
them to have something that they can do whatever they
want with it.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
But I want to be able to leave them with stuff,
you know, some things.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah, how did you get there?
Speaker 1 (19:21):
So?
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I mean, you know, we could follow the journey of
your life, but was it therapy? Was there a point
at which you were like, you know, kind of digging deeper.
I mean, I'm fifty six years old, so I've gone
through many transitions in my life and you know, trying
to figure out what really is going to fulfill me
at any point, right What ful fills me now at
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fifty six certainly was very different than what did when
I was thirty and having babies. But was there did
you have some kind of an aha moment where you
sort of, you know, thought, Okay, I'm going to put
acting aside and it's not doing it for me anymore.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
I had a long period of sort of feeling really
stuck and lost and unclear about what I wanted to do.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
And I think so many of us.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Go through at least one of those in our lives,
if not many, where you're like, I don't know what
I want, I don't know what I'm good at.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Like, I don't know where where can I go that
is has a place for me.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
And so I just really sat with that for a
long time, and honestly, I was I'm a person that.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Manages depression. I've always had it, so I just.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Thought, Oh, I'm in a lull, It'll be fine, I'll
come back up, It'll be great. But it took a
lot a long time. And I had done a ton
of therapy. I had done a lot of self work
after my divorce, and I really felt the benefits of that,
but I was still kind of lost, and I thought,
you know, I had to really get specific about what
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I wanted for my future, and I had to envision
exactly what I wanted my life to be like moving forward.
And I did that with a vision board, quite honestly,
and really really.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Like a literal one like you got out the poster
board and yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Yeah, no whiteboard.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
I have all my ideas on it, which is one
entire whiteboard, but also like all of the things I
want my life to be like like, and I have
pictures and you know, I really didn't believe in that before,
but I just sat with it and would stare at
it and think hmm, and not have any clue how
to get all of those get there, get to whatever
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was up there on that whiteboard.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
And the more I looked at it, and the more
I kept it in.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
The forefront front of my mind on a daily basis,
it just started to fall into place in the most
magical way. And I think it just became that like
getting still with something, realizing what you want, and then
taking the steps to get there.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
And it's it.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Sounds so overwhelming, but if you break it down into steps,
it's something we can all do.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
And I always thought of it as like having a
little ball, like a rubber ball.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
And pushing it up a mountain with my nose and
like just trying to get the ball, and we come
back down and then I push you back up again
and then we'll come back down a little bit. So
for me, that's what life has been like. And I
feel like I'm like on the sort of all plateau
of the mountain right now, feeling very safe, feeling very
good about where I am.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
But there's always a bigger mountain to climb. You know,
if you.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Want that, I love that. I love that because I do.
I think both of us feel sort of at a
crossroads right now. I know, at least I do. Our
show that we've always had is paused, and we're kind
of considering what the next parts of our you know,
I have children who are going to be leaving the
home in a few years, and and I just am
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trying to figure out the rest of my life and
what I want. So that vision board, you know, I
never really considered making one, but if it, if you're
telling me about it.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I'm right, I feel so like I'm fascinated by it.
Will you give us an example of just one thing
on the vision board, like I'm trying to picture myself actually,
you know, taking run it, what's here, scrambled in here,
put it out there, onto side, start.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
With putting it, throwing it all up there.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Just get it out of here and put it up
on a board where you're actually seeing all the things
that are in your head. And then you start to
sort of some of them rise to the top, and
then the ones that rise to the top energetically, opportunities
will come to you that will fit with those. It's
there's something about you know, definitely about envisioning the life
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you want and really getting specific about it, and then
once your mind is in that energetic place, things will
come to you. It is I can't really explain it.
It's just the way it is, and I.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Feel it's you are explaining it. I just I love specifics,
like I work so well. I can't be big, you know,
sort of dream of something, make it happen has never
worked for me. I want to know. Okay, so I'm
going to go out to Staples and I'm going to
buy the piece of post word.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
You can get a poster, order a white board.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
I like a white yeah, I mean it like I like.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I like instructions.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Yes, okay, get a bose. Then put it all up
on the board. Get all your ideas out, you.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Know, you give us an example, like what was one
of the ones. Hell's one of the ones that you
put up there.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
And then the one for twenty twenty four was start
my brand, start a brand, Start my brand, and I
had specifically start me by Jenny Garth.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
That was the brand, and.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
I had no concept of how I was going to
do it. I had I've never started a brand from
I have started a brand from the ground up with
a partner, but I had never done it solo, and
so I knew how to do it step by step.
It was just a matter of like hunkering down and
doing the work, because it is a nine to six
(24:56):
pm job.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Every single day I.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Go into my office, I submer urge myself in the
world that I want to create with, you know, those
inspirational messages in front of me, and then I just work.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
I make calls, I send emails, I.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Think about who do I know, what doors could I
find that are slightly open, and then those are the
things that sort of fall into place.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
One of the things, you know, one of the.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Things has always to make sure I'm creating in a
daily a date on my daily calendar, me time where
you know, whether it's going to the gym, whether it's
going and taking a nice bath, doing like a whole
skincare moment for myself, whether it's eating healthy, prepping my food.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
You know, all those things are part of the whole picture.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
So you have to really think about what your balanced
life will look like, and so the specifics of it
are just as important as doing it.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
You know, it's just you've got to really visualize it.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah, I love that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Do you feel happier now at your age? And so
I've also battled pression and anxiety and all of that.
But as I've gotten older, I feel better about myself,
about my life. I mean, and it's funny, right, it
seems antithetical to aging, but I feel more calm and
(26:17):
peaceful and like I have just more of a sense
of self. Are you, And I'm thinking about you, coming
from such fame and fortunate at such a young age,
you probably I would think that you feel even calmer
and better about yourself now than maybe when you were seventeen.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Absolutely, I mean in my early life I was thrown
into this world such a fish out of water, really
trying struggling to figure out my place and how.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
To maintain my own sense of self within it all.
And that was really hard for me.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
I mean, not to mention, my job was stepping into
somebody else's shoes every day, putting on a different character,
whatever the job was. So it's been a lot of
my time not even being myself. It was being another somebody,
whoever the character was I was portraying, And so I
really lost myself along.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
The way, I.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Didn't have, you know, And I'm kind of the person
too that loses themselves in I've lost myself in motherhood.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I lost myself in.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
My relationship, and it took a lot of work to
reclaim my identity and fall back in love with myself
first and foremost. And I think that when you reach
that point where you can honestly tell yourself I love
you and I'm going to take care of you today,
that's the point when your life just starts to blossom
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and it's indescribable.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Was that reason that realization?
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Yeah, I turned fifty and I was like, Okay, I've
got to get my shit together. I need to have
some I need to figure out my purpose. I need
to have that drive that I know is inside of
me and there are things that I know I'm destined
to do. But I was just afraid. I was frozen
with fear, and I was I didn't think there was
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room for me. Like you look, say you want to
start a skincare line.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
There's a million skincare lines.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Out there, right and you look on the internet and
you're seeing your feet and you're like, oh my gosh,
look how beautiful that is? And look how successful they are,
and wow, that's such a cool group of women. And
once I stop thinking like I'm watching it and started
thinking like I'm in it with them, Like I found
this like ability to find my seat at that table
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within my own concept. You know.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I love that because I'm going through the same thing
right now. I just started my second book and I'm like, well,
I'm never going to write it as well as like
all these people on the bestseller list, But I have
to stop. I have to just think of myself as
one of them. Right, So you just have to think.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Of yourself every day.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Remind yourself to go back to the who you are
at your core, what makes you authentic to yourself, and
just stop trying to be what anybody else thinks or
wants or expects, but just come back to I am enough.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Like I know it sounds corny and but it's so true.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Like just on the way home from the gym, I
was like, oh my god, I love myself so much.
I was like doing my affirmations in the car. And
it's daily practice. It's daily work.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
If you want to know.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
It's also probably staying off of social media because that's
a landscape where everybody tells you who you are, and
especially as a reality persona where you're living your real
life and the cameras they tell you know how well
you're living or if you're you know, doing well at
life or not. And it's really like you can convince
yourself of the majority opinion on there when.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Absolutely and you can.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I mean, I do it.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
I don't scroll doom scrolling they call it, right, and
I get into a real place of compare despair, Like
when I start looking to everybody else's perfect lives and
how accomplished and successful and fun it looks, I go
to a place that's not healthy for me, like and
I have to stay I have to stay away from it.
(30:10):
And that's a daily choice to just stay focused on
the prize for myself and for my family and not
let all that other stuff get in my head because
I are you able.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
To do it?
Speaker 3 (30:21):
With it in there?
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Are you able to stop? I mean, I've tried made
this promise to myself, and every day I'm still not
there yet I get sucked back into the abyss. I
mean it's so depressing because I know that days that
I don't do it, hours that I don't get stuck scrolling.
Are happier hours, yeah, more peaceful hours, right, But I
(30:43):
still still it pulls me back in.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
I know, I'll find myself dipping in a little bit,
Like I'll go in and try and do I like
to engage with my with my friends on there, and
I will be like and then I'll all sudden by
myself scrolling and I'm like, ohoa, we're not doing that.
We have other things that are more important than this.
So you just got to talk yourself down.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
So you're three girls there are they're adults now, right?
I mean there were always little girls on the red
carpet with you. Are they are they home? Are you
empty nesting?
Speaker 4 (31:26):
I'm about to officially enter into the empty nests zone
my eighteen year old graduating.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
It's the last. However, I have a daughter that moved
back in with me, uh.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
So, which I love, Like I'm not compained at all,
But she still feels like she is fulling the coop.
So I kind of feel like a roommate with her now, which.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Is how I love. Yeah, and you're all.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Doing their own things, which is amazing.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
That's really great. It's great to watch your kids just
succeed in life. It is many actresses been married. You've
been married to Dave is your third husband? You said, yeah, yeah, okay,
and there's a nine year age gap. Was that difficult
to navigate? Was it? Did you not feel it?
Speaker 3 (32:13):
I definitely considered it.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
In the very beginning, I knew that we were in
two different sort of developmental places because I had just
come out of doing a ton and ton a ton
of self work and going on solo trips and you know,
seeking out all the things I could find to enrich myself.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
And he was not in that space yet.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
But we fell for each other and he fulfilled a
lot of different parts of me, Like he brought in
this beautiful levity, and he made our family feel that
laughter again, which we had kind of lost after the divorce.
And yeah, and he and his young that young side
of him was really fun for me. But I later
(32:58):
learned that he's basically an eighty eight old man in
a forty four year old body, which actually works for
me because, like I said, I'm a homebody.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
I love to just be with my family and he
does too.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
But it was it is something and we just actually
talked about it recently the other day that that gap,
that age gap is never going to go away. We
might feel like we're the same age because we're you know,
always together and doing the same things, but developmentally, I
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am nine years ahead of him, and we all know women,
well most women, some women kind of evolve quicker than men.
So it's about like looking at where each of us
are and respecting that and trying, for me, trying to
not have any expectations of him being where I am
all the time and letting him be where he is,
(33:52):
which is almost a decade difference, you know, and that's
there's so much growth that happens, especially well in every
decade of your life. But I found so much for
me personally in my forties into my fifties. A lot
of people feel it in their thirties. But I always
say I'm kind of ten years behind because I was
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on nine or two and zero for ten years and
that was such a bubble experience of not developing normally.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
So I've always said I'm like ten years behind.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
But yeah, that the age difference, well, it doesn't feel
like it day to day.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
You have to do you have to kind of step
back and look big picture and recognize.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Right, you know, I go, it doesn't feel like that
big of an age difference to me, maybe because I
know it's ten years and ten years my husband and
I are almost seven years apart. He's older, but maybe
because he is the man that he just still is younger.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
No, it's definitely a different dynamic when the man is
older than the woman.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Woman is older.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
Than the man in the relationship and she's successful and
completely independent.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
There are so many different things that come into play.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
How did you meet Dave?
Speaker 2 (35:03):
How did you meet him?
Speaker 4 (35:04):
We met a blind double date, like a setup with
a double another couple, and that's when.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
I yeah, I never heard of that. That's clever, that
it was a setup.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Did you so you had a difficult divorce from Peter Practice, I.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Would say in behind closed doors it was extremely difficult.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Yes, was that? Did you think that you would find
love again?
Speaker 3 (35:31):
No?
Speaker 4 (35:32):
No, I didn't want to find love again. I was
so really Now, after I got over the trauma and
the pain and like gluing myself somehow back together into
this new form of a human, I was like, yeah,
I'm good.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
I don't want to date, I don't want to do anything.
And then people started to like, you should go on
this go to dinner with this guy.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
I know, Okay, I'll try it, I'll practice. And as
I started to do that, I start to really get
very clear on what I didn't want moving forward. So
it was easy for me to make a list of
like my non negotiables, the things that I was looking
for in a partner, and the things that really just
wouldn't work for me moving forward in my life. And
I was able to really define those and I had
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to give and take on some of them for sure,
and also just allow for Dave to.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Have growth in his life, you know.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
I mean, he's a completely different person than he was
when I met him.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
He's a different person than he was yesterday.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
Like I really believe in allowing yourself to evolve on
a daily basis.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Yeah, you have a podcast dedicated to remarriage divorce. I
do Part two. Yes, it's another iHeart podcast, one of
three that you host currently.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Yeah, I have OG which is the Rewatch Have I
Choose Me, which is my solo project in kind of
in the health and wellness space, And I have I
Do Part two, which is Yeah, finding Love the second time.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Actually I've been doing I've been hosting some of them myself. Yeah,
I'm married. Yeah, I'm married twenty five years. But my
husband and I were separated for a year and a
half and it was you know, it's it's a very
different thing than what I picture that it would be
coming back together. I mean, everybody has that story. I
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guess on some level. Everybody changes and relationships evolve and
they change, and there's always a part two. I feel
like sometimes it's you know, it's divorce, or it's separation,
or unfortunately sometimes people are widowed. But it's very interesting.
I feel like this second time around, and even though
I've been married, I've definitely there are different dynamics in
my marriage than I ever thought that there would be.
(37:51):
But I think it's such a fascinating topic, right.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
It really is. The relationships are not easy.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
It's not I don't know if it's natural for you
to meet somebody a complete stranger and then be with
them twenty four hours a day, every single day, for
the rest of your life, Like that's a big commitment.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Amen.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
Yeah, So I think it's just about allowing each person
to have their individuality and then really cherishing that middle
space that you both share and that you both put
energy into that's your relationship, but really maintaining those that
you are your own unique, you know, whole and complete
humans without one of them.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
I love that. And Peter came on the podcast.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Correct, Yeah, and yeah, Peter was on the podcast. He
was on I Choose Me?
Speaker 1 (38:41):
And how was that for you guys? Was that healing
at all?
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Or it was?
Speaker 4 (38:46):
I was very uneasy going in. I didn't know what
was going to happen. I didn't really even have anything prepared.
I just wanted to sit down on a couch with them.
We had never sat and down and talked. It was
always texting. Wow, it was always emailing and just like
budding heads constantly for.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
I cannot believe he agreed to that. This is some
brain I know to.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Do it publicly. It was so scary and brave.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
I know. Well.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
I really went to him and I said, A, nothing
will go out that you don't want to go out,
and b why don't we use our story to help
other people see that they can do it, they can
get through this because it was very difficult for us,
and I think through sharing our story it made us closer.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
It kind of closed that loop of.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
Anger and pain and resentment and It sort of put
us on a level of we have a friendship now
and a newfound respect for one another because I had
never heard him say the things that he told me
on that podcast really and it was really interesting.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
I didn't do much talking. I just literally let him talk,
and so much poured out of him.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
It was really, I think, good for him, it was
good for me, and it was definitely good for our daughters.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Oh so that's great. You feel like your co parenting
relationship changed after that?
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Wow, amazing And how is everything today?
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Everything today is, you know, much better.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
We stayed at his house during the fires, like I
feel comfortable, like saying, you know, we need a home
to stay in, can we come to yours? And he
was yes, of course, And we spend time together. We
can go to dinner together. We can hang out.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Now you go to dinner together?
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Wait? Is he remarried?
Speaker 3 (40:33):
He is engaged and he has a two year old baby.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Wow, that's huge. That's not easy to get there.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
It really isn't. But there was so much Like I
was starting to feel like I was holding on to
the anger and the pain, and I started to recognize
a bitterness in myself and it's just an overall negative.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Feeling like a cloud. And I was said to myself.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
I do not want this moving forward. This is not
the me I want to be, and I really how
to just release it, work really hard to release it,
because at the end of the day, you guys, it
does not matter.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Nothing matters.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
All the arguments, all the disagreements, all the issues, they
don't matter. What matters is how you make people feel
in the moment, and how your kids need to feel
moving forward in their life and see their parents' relationship.
I think it's just evolution and getting to a place
where you prioritize the things.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
That are really important to you.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
And for me, peace and kindness are just like at
the forefront of what I want to focus on.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
I love that. I feel like I need you to
be in my Life's amazing. Everything that you're saying makes
so much sense to me. I mean in this moment
where I just am all most fifty and just don't
really know where I want my life to go. Do
your daughters want to be actresses? Are the actresses?
Speaker 4 (42:06):
No? One of My oldest daughter tried it, dappled in it,
both commercials.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
I did a movie with her.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
I think that the level of rejection was hard for
her and it didn't make her feel good like in
her heart.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
So she pivoted.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
And my middle daughter is into fashion and she's actually
my creative design director on the brand.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Yeah, we work together every day.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
And my youngest daughter, the one that's about to graduate
from high school, she is interested in psychology and she
is a huge inspiration. I'm really excited about what's about
to happen for her. She's going to create her own
platform and her own podcast that's going to really reach
young girls who have been in similar situations as she
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has and just talk about that struggle and how hard
it is to be a young girl in this day
and age.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
I love that. I absolutely love that.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
And it's a testament that your daughters want to work
with you, you know, I want to do a film
with you and want to work on you know, on
your fashion label with you.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
My really best friends. It's weird, we're best friends. I've
always been like, hey, guys, I am codependent.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
So deal with it.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
And the same yeah, like, welcome to the rest of
your life.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
If you're working with it. I'm okay with it.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
But I've sort of SOT in this new place of like,
how about we try interdependence where we're you know, again.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
We're branding but on our ice.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
But we still need and love each other, you know,
and we're all flying with that.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Jenny, tell us about the fashion line, I tell us
exactly what I mean. You know, You've talked a lot
about what the goals, but what is specifically what is
this fashion?
Speaker 4 (43:53):
Yes, it's exclusive to TVC first and foremost, so I
have the wonderful design team there that I work with
pretty much on a daily basis, and we are designing.
I would call this ready to wear day like easy
to throw on looks that you can just go about
your business in your day, uh and feel strong and
(44:15):
confident and put together and beautiful and comfortable. I mean
that's the like driving force for me is comfort, and
I'm really pushing towards trying to get more sustainability in there.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
It's a challenge, but I'm not afraid of a challenge,
so I'm going to keep pushing that. But I love
our clothes. I wear them every single day.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Like that sweater. I love the sweater you wear sweater.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
The shirt and the pants you got.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
I know, I love it.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
They're all Jenny, They're all by Jenny Garth.
Speaker 4 (44:45):
Yeah, because they're I'm like scrunched up in my outfit and.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
I feel so comfortable.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
So yeah, I have so many plans for tonight. Chop
on QBC, make my vision board. Oh my god, I
want it.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
That sounds fun. Can I come hang out?
Speaker 1 (45:00):
We'll do it together, please please. My kids are all
going out, so I'll just be driving. So what what
TV projects? Movie projects? Can we look forward to seeing
you in?
Speaker 3 (45:11):
Nothing right now? Which I am telling you that, I mean,
I even just you know, I really was specific.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
I was.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
I just turned down and offer a couple of days ago.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
Scary, the very scary, scariest hell second, guessing myself for
days afterwards, thinking oh, should I have done it? The
money would have been great and it's always good to
do another movie like it keeps you going, And I thought, no,
that's not what I want to spend my time waiting
in a trailer for people to tell me that they're ready.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
It set for me like, I want to be out there.
Speaker 4 (45:45):
I want to be connecting, I want to be creating,
and I want to be inspiring.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
You know, So I do you want to spit into
my category.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
Right now, that's scary and it's so admirable. That's so cool.
Like you've been saying yes for so long, right and
to really become a grown up and say it's so scary.
But this does not serve me anymore. Yeah, right on
my own. Yeah, not right now, not in this moment.
Good for you.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
I really feel like I'm going to take so many
things from this conversation, like it caught me at the
right moment in my life. I loved it and I'm
really excited to have met you. In my head, you
will always be Kelly Taylor, but you're also a really
remarkable woman who's accomplished so much. So so thank you
for joining us today. So nice of you.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
All this compliments, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
No, it's real, sir. It Yeah, So we'll we'll look
forward to checking out your your projects and I'm going
to make a vision board and if any of it
comes comes through, I'm going to DM you and like
you know, change that when it comes through, when it comes,
when it comes through.
Speaker 4 (46:58):
Yes, it really matters how we talk to ourselves.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
As that's true. What's the name of the sweater?
Speaker 2 (47:04):
Just just.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
This is if you go to GBC dot com.
Speaker 4 (47:09):
You can type in me by Jenny Garth in the
search bar, and it's called the Frankie Turtleneck and it's
got a cute little hen.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
It's going to be at the top of GENS vision
board by the Frankie.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
I mean, I'm not going to have time to put
it on the board because I'm gonna have to get
off the pod QBC dot com. It just looks, it's
just so, it's pretty uncomfortable looking, and that's exactly how
I like to dress good.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
I hope I love it.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for joining us today.
Speaker 3 (47:35):
You're so welcome. I loved it.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
We appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
Okay, have a good one.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
Bye. She was amazing. I feel like that caught me
right at a moment.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
You know, Billie, why what's going on with you?
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Just because I'm trying to figure out what else to do.
I mean, the show is on pause right who knows
if it's coming back? And I wake up a lot
and think, well, if it doesn't come back, what am
I going to do when I'm done waiting?
Speaker 3 (48:00):
You know?
Speaker 1 (48:01):
And like, what am I gonna do?
Speaker 2 (48:03):
Even even though you were writing a second book, we
have not even discussed it.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Yeah, it just it just started. Yeah started.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
It wasn't news to me. How exciting is that?
Speaker 1 (48:12):
No, I haven't. I don't really, I haven't really spoken
about it yet because it's so so brand new. But yeah,
it's really exciting. But also, like you get that imposter
syndrome where you're like, can I do this? You know
it's not it's not memoir, it's it's a novel. So
it's almost like it's so new for me, and like
(48:32):
I have all these ideas and it's really fun, but
then I get these moments where I'm like, there's so
much better novelists out there, and then like I read
I read stuff about like I'm deep diving on White
lotus right now. So I was reading like the New
York Times magazine did this thing, I'm Parker Posy and
they were talking about like Mike White and his head
and like what all these relationships mean. And I was like, God,
like my characters aren't that in depth yet, you know,
(48:54):
maybe I should stop. And then I'm like, no, like
we don't all have to be Mike White, Like it
doesn't have to be like an Emmy winning thing. Right
at the beginning, right.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
Like we should do if we should do an episode
just on this, because I find that so many things
in my life I've given up on because I thought
it's not going to be as good as it's not
going to be as big, as it's not going to
be enough. And like ideas that I had. I had
this one idea going back years and years of doing
(49:21):
a clothing line called Monday Mornings, and I wanted it
be spelled m O U r n I ngs. It
was kind of kitchy because like on Mondays, you're kind
of in mourning about all the self destructive shit you
did to yourself over the weekend, right, And I was
going to have it be you see it a lot
now like jeans slash sweatpants, right, I feel like sweatpants,
but their genes. I wanted to do something where like
(49:43):
the size was instead of saying size six, it would
say usually a six or or a six during the week,
and then make the clothes that were just easy to
slip into and comfortable and made you not feel so restricted. Anyway,
I had this idea, and imposter syndrome got the best
(50:04):
of me, and it just never got even off the
ground because somebody else was going to have it, or
somebody else is going to do it, or somebody was
better at it, somebody else's hard.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
Follow through is hard. It also it takes a lot
of work. I am somebody who loves immediate gratification, and
the fact that writing a book takes so long is
something that also turns me off. But it's a lot
of fun. It's definitely off the ground, but it is
still new. So once it's once i'm sure of it,
I'll talk more about it. But in the meantime, i'm
(50:33):
just My point is that, like, it's really easy to
get stuck in this I don't know what I want thing,
But I think that vision board idea is very appealing
because then you can visualize what you want, right, you
can spell it out.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
Yeah, for sure, seems more manageable, maybe when you look
at it in like little pieces, right Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Yeah, But I also need to remind myself of the
part where part of what I should want for my
life is peace and to filled my life with loving relationships,
true friendships, you know, So I have to work that in.
It's not all about like what's going to make me
money and give me visibility and stuff.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
Like that.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
So I also have a hard time, you know, remembering
my priorities. What my priority is.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Very honest, and I can definitely relate to that. That's
like work on that a lot in therapy, like without
any of the hoopla or like whatever comes along with
this little tiny bit of game. And I've been again,
you've been doing this way longer than I haven't a
way bigger capacity. But like all of that is really
not what matters is knowing that I'm enough, Like just
(51:42):
as Jenny was saying, it sounds cheesy, but like I'm
good without any of that, without any of the extra, right,
Like I'm enough, I'm special enough. We all are getting
kind of crunchy now, but I mean, I know.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
It's true, And working on myself the past few years,
I've definitely I'm definitely getting much closer to that place
where I know, no matter what my job title is
or what I accomplish work wise, I am enough and
I'm loved and you know all that gooey stuff. But
you know, it's it's hard to job job wise. If
(52:17):
you're a worker, it's it's hard. Anyway, I loved this
and I loved her, and I'm definitely going to put
in play some of the things she suggested. She really
is an inspiring.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
Woman, Yes she is. By the way, does age she's
dis gorgeous?
Speaker 1 (52:35):
No, I know she's beautiful too. Wow. All right, this
was really fun and h and until next time, guys,
we hope you love this episode. Give us five stars
and we will see you next time.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
Thanks you guys.
Hey everyone, I'm Jackie Goldschneider. I'm Jen Fessler, and we
are two Jersey Jays. And Jen, you are freshly back
from La and a girls trip. How are you feeling?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
It actually was? It was what was sort of a
girl's trip. I went to La so I told you this,
But Jeff has a conference every year in Laguna. It's
like the most fun. So I usually go for this conference.
This year just hoppen to coincide with a few things
that I was able to pull off, like the iHeart
Music Awards.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I had BAUMO.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
It was so unbelievably over the top grade. It was
so much fun. Yeah, just got to like mix it
up with the likes of Benson Boone and Henry Winkler.
And oh, by the way, Zoe Winkler is we're going
to have her on the pod.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yes, I know, I know, I don't know her at all.
Is she meeting zo?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
She is a living doll? And so she's actually having
Ron Howard on. She wants us to come on hers
as well, but she's having oh like Ron Howard on next,
I believe.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Oh, so that's exciting. Yeah, and then you went to Texas?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Huh, so I was in Texas because I have these
three best friends from high school and one of them
is still is in Houston. So we've talked about it before,
but I grew up in Houston, and she's been wanting
us to join her at the rodeo. She's on all
these rodeo committees in Houston. So I was finally able
to do it, and it was the most fun. Oh
(01:30):
my god, an old Dominion was playing. Yeah, yeah, I
just I haven't been back to Texas in like thirty
five years. Well that's not true. I haven't been back
to Houston in thirty five years. And I got to
visit my old high school and.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Oh, that's so nice. That's really nicely great. I thought
you went to Texas more often than that. I went
to a rodeo and we went to Jackson Hall like
a year and a half ago, and we went to
a rodeo and it was so fun. I mean, the
energy there is just so different than it is here
on like the East Coast, you.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Know, oh one hundred. There's there were certain things, certain
aspects of it that I don't love, just I don't know,
being an animal lover, and I'm kind of unsure about
they say that they take such good care of the
animals at Rodeo, but I don't know. Some of it
was hard for me to watch. But anyway, having said that, anyway,
still fun.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah, it was really really fun. Time you look refresh. Yes.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Oh and when I was at iHeart, I got to
meet one of the favorite one of my favorite people
that I got to meet was Tory Spelling.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Oh, which ties in perfectly today.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
It does, Yes, it does.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I almost like don't want to meet my heroes because
like I have these women in my head as like
I just idolized them when I was a kid watching them.
You know, they're just a little bit older than I am,
and so when I was a young teen just watching
them on nine, O, two and O was just like
they were everything I do. I know.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, I agree, the same special yeah yeah, And she
was so warm, she was there was a kind of
like a kind of a barrier between us, but I
don't know, I kind of tapped her on the shoulder.
She turned around, she knew who we were, so that
just I was just labergasted by that. And then she kind
(03:15):
of like went over the divider to give me a
hug to take the picture she was such a doll.
I'm like, we're gonna talk. I mean, it's just this
is the nine o two one a week. I'm like
over the moon.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
By the way, we have a very special guest today.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yes, it is none other than Kelly Taylor herself, Jenny Garth.
I almost can't believe it because, like I, you know,
I just these people were never real to me, you know,
But she is actually quite She has lived quite an
interesting life from child star to you know, very interesting
(03:55):
relationship dynamics and a lot of really good work, creative work.
So I'm really excited to dig into all of it
with Harber. So Jenny, he's skyrocketed to start him with
her role as Kelly Taylor on Beverly Hills nine o
two and oh the original For anyone younger who's listening,
We're not talking about the one that came out ten
(04:16):
years ago, although I believe she might have been a
part of that also, we're talking about the real deal,
like the first the first go round, the show became
like a ratings success, lasting ten seasons and it remains
one of the most successful and iconic television series ever produced.
And then She's worked in a whole bunch of more
(04:37):
TV shows and films What I Like About You with
Amanda Vines, Hallmark Movies, Lifetime Movies, many more. She's an
entrepreneur with a fashion line Me by Jenny Garth. She's
the host of three different podcasts on iHeart Nine, O
two to one, MG, I Choose Me, and I Do
Part Two. She lives in LA with her husband Dave,
(05:00):
three daughters.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
It's so funny think of Jenny Garth with three daughters
right now.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Well they're also are now they're like no adult all right,
well my age? I think no, No, the daughters are
like twenty or like nineteen, and.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Jenny's like my age. I mean you're younger, right.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I'm forty eight.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I think she's maybe early fifties.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
No, yeah, early fifties, so right, rights back between us, Yeah,
like those younger listeners, whoever's out there listening to us
is even younger than us.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
And trying to think of the equivalent, Jack, it would
be like.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I feel like middle aged. Like it's I don't think
of us as different ages.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Which I appear very much, being that we are ten
years apart.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Do you think of yourself as I'm not asking this
for you to freak out, but like almost sixty but
you're not. But like, is that the way you want that?
It doesn't.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
First all, I don't at all freak out. I think
of I mean, fifty six. I'll be fifty seven in August,
so I guess I am on the other side of fifty, right.
You know, I don't know why it doesn't freak me out. Really,
it's uh and I almost feel very proud of it.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah, you have a lot of things to show for it.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah, we all do.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Well.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Hello, Jenny Garth By, We are so excited to have you.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
I was just telling Jackie how I was at the
iHeart Awards this past week weekend and I got to
meet Tory and it was just so surreal. And I'm
talking to you now like it's just normal and you
and I chat on the phone all the time. But
it's for I think women and jet for Jackie too.
For us, it's like, yeah, women our age. It's hard
(06:48):
to even explain, Like I wish I want to say
to my daughter, she knows who you are, but but
it's I'm trying to think of the modern day Jenny
Garth for her It's huge for us, you guys, I mean,
we grew wanted to be. I alternated between you and Brenda.
Kelly and Brenda. Really, I think everyone did.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Everyone our age did. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Most times it's one of the others.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
And Donna and Donna yeah yeah, And that.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Was obviously your most I mean to me, your most
famous role. Is that what you consider your most famous role,
like the biggest role of your life?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
And yeah, absolutely, that was my breakout role.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
That was the role that gave me the life I
have now, Like without that show, without that role, playing
Kelly Taylor in my life would be completely different. And
I'm just I'm always just keep that in mind.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I'm so grateful for it.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
But I've done other work that has, you know, been
fulfilling in different ways. But that is the show that
will go down that will be on my gravestone, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I think for sure that, Yeah, I'm sure that's I
love that you're grateful for it like that, because I
would think that it times, you know, you're so when
a character becomes so iconic and follows you around, I
would think that at times it would also become a
little bit frustrating. But gratitude is ye.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
It definitely really can.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
But I mean I have always been really super in
touch with the fact that if I hadn't gotten that role,
my life wouldn't be what it is today.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
And I think, you.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Know, I'm yeah, internally grateful for it.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
So let's talk about what it's like to be an
eighteen year old suddenly thrust into fame. Because Jen and
I we found like dalist fame, a reality show fame
in middle age, and even that is overwhelming. But as
an eighteen year old, were you eighteen when you got
the role?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I see, go seventeen, but yeaheenah.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah, to suddenly be you know, I assume that you
could have walked down the street without being stopped. What
was life? How did life change for you?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
It was weird.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Yeah, the show didn't break out for like a good season,
and the second season when we started airing episodes that
were set at the beach, and that just got a huge.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Awareness across the world.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
And I sort of went into this weird like I
can't leave the house mode, like a goraphobia. Yeah, but
I'm also a homebody, so it kind of works for me.
I love to be home and I it was it
was difficult, like just wherever we went it was I
(09:23):
can't even think of anything else to describe it as,
but like the Beatles, Like it felt like that because
there were just always people coming at us and throngs
and that made me want to stay home a lot.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
So interesting. Do any of any of the other cast
members enjoy that thrive in that scenario, because I think
that there's even on again, like Jackie said, our b
List Reality TV cast World, but I think there are
some women that enjoyed a lot more than the others do.
Was was that the case with you guys, or was
(09:57):
that anyone shell shocked?
Speaker 4 (09:58):
I really couldn't tell you what the others fully experienced
with it.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
I know for me it was complete shell shock, complete
fish out of water feelings.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
I'm a Midwestern girl. I'm as normal as they come,
and nobody in my family had ever had anything to
do with Hollywood or fame or anything like that. So
this was absolutely like way out of my comfort zone.
I think some people do thrive in that environment, and
I learned to make it work with my life, Like
(10:29):
I had to really keep that in my job category
in my box. That was like I go to work
and that's what happens. And then I come home and
then it's peace and I'm normal and I'm who I
am authentically. So there was a lot of learning to
live with fame that I went through over the years.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
For sure. Yeah, well, you wouldn't have known it by
watching you. You always seemed to very like just perfect,
like Kelly Kelly Taylor and you just both seemed perfect.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
What is perfect you?
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Well, in my eyes, you know, as a kid watching
you like, you were the person I wanted to look
like and dress like and be like. And you are
the popular girl and when the show. So do you
keep in touch with your co stars asides from I
know you keep in such a story spelling yep, yep.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
We I was just group chatting what do you call it? Texting?
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Group texting with them yesterday, setting up some plans for
Ian's birthday.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
We're all going to be together.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
That's nice.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
So we should actually tell you also how sorry you've
lost two of your cast met and the whole world was,
you know, just sort of prompt as I can't imagine
how hard it must have been for you all. You
seem to have been such a tight knit group and
for years and way too young for two of you, unfortunately,
to not be with us anymore, just terrible.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
No, it doesn't make sense. It still doesn't make sense
for my brain, it's sure. And I.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Live in a world where they where they still are
a lot in my mind, so it's very, very hard
to understand that they're not here physically.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
No doubt, no doubt. Yeah, there were.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
See and zering at. My husband would always get very
frustrated by the fact that he was so old and
playing a teenager.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
You would always and Andrew.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
He was, Yeah, he was a few years older.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
A lot of the cast was a few years older
than they were playing. Yeah, A couple of us, a
few of the three of us I think were very
like age similar.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah, for sure, yeah, says I. And by the way,
and I am sorry sorry. Yes. So when the show ended,
was it like did you know it was coming or
did it just like stop? And what was that adjustment
like for you for your life?
Speaker 4 (12:52):
It was ten years I had had a baby at
the tail end of the show, so my life had
already started to go into its next phase. So luckily
when it ended, I had something to go put all
of my energy in, which was my daughter Luca, and
I really just dove deep into that being my purpose
(13:14):
and I loved it so much. I loved being a
mom so much that that was easy for me, and
staying home with her was easy for me, you know,
after so many years of getting up at five in
the morning to get to work by six and then
when the baby came, dragging her to work at six
am and having her there all day, fourteen hours a day.
It was a lot. And I was really looking forward
(13:35):
to just some peace in my life. And I had
that for a few years, and then I was like, ooh,
I need to work again.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
I feel like that itch.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
So that was when I went back out there and
tried something different. But it was a definite transition in life,
and I remember just not knowing what to do with myself,
like honestly, when to eat, when to go to the bathroom,
Because when you're working like that those kind of hours
every single day, literally your whole entire life is mapped
(14:05):
out by someone else on a call sheet and you
just follow the rules and the people telling you what
to do. So I was out there, I was like, wow, okay,
I guess I should go to the bathroom.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Now, do you feel like it was the acting piece.
It sounds like it was part that you missed and
you wanted to get back to that, but the fame
piece of it. And I always think about that myself
because when I was younger, I wanted to be an actress,
and I was not a very good one. But I
think that I didn't want to necessarily be an actress.
I think I just wanted to be famous and I
(14:36):
wanted to be on stage. You know. I think that's
sort of what drove me into reality TV obviously. But
do you is that part of it for you?
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Do you?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Do you still because you're still obviously you're we have
a lot more to talk about other than nine O
two one zero. You're crazy busy. But is that part
that drives you at all? Or is it more sort
of like these roles and the acting piece of it.
Do you enjoy the fame or is it just at
this point is it just cumbersome?
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Is it, you know, annoying to you. I'm sure you
still can't walk down the street without being stopped, and.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
No, I've I've tried to hide from it and that
worked for many years, and now at fifty, I just
decided to fully embrace it and accept this amazing sense of.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Community that I have with so much support and love.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
You know, the fans of the original show have followed
me through to every aspect of my career, every endeavor,
and I have found such an enormous gratitude for them,
and there I feel like we are a community now
and I inspire them, they inspire me. So I'm definitely
not hiding from any of it and just really just
(15:45):
hunkering down and appreciating.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
It right now, you can enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yeah, I've had.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
This kind of career that's lasted this many years is
not easy to come by in this in this business.
So I'm just so.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Honestly proud of myself for this kind of like endurance
and just grateful that I'm still able to work, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
And then the.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Drive comes from a supporting my family. B I'm just
a passionate, driven person and I'm a creative.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
So I've got to keep moving. I've got to keep changing.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
I like to move houses, I like to get different cars,
I like to change my furniture.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
I feel like three husbands like I like change.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
I love that I'm not that great with change. I'll
live in the same house until last time I moved
fifteen years ago. I told my husband we will I'm
not moving in till I'm good. I'm not.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
I can't stand it. That's what my husband says.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
He says, I'm dying in this house. I was like, well,
I probably won't.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Be to be dying alone.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
So, but you have a lot of projects, so let's
let's talk about it. I'm most I'm really interested in
your clothing line, because that's sort of out and right.
That's like not in line with like all of the
acting and podcasting and writing. Tell us about the clothing line.
You've had that for a while.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Yes, yes, I had.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
I had been working with QVC on another project, and
through that experience, I just formed some relationships with.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Them, and they came to me and asked me if
I wanted to do my own line.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
And I was so taken back, like I was like, wow, okay,
I can do that. But it was like something I
had never done before, and entering into a whole new
world of business, the fashion business and design and learning how.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
To you know, stay on deadline and deliver.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
And there's so many parts of it that I had
never done, so I was like, ooh, challenged, Yes.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Please, I will do that.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
And so that, you know, because I had before that,
I had started to kind of really zero in on
what I wanted for the next chapter.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Of my life, and it didn't involve acting.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
It didn't involve waiting around for projects to come to
me and then being told like what somebody else's vision was.
I wanted to really move forward with all the things
inside of me might fulfill that creative part of me.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
And I'm you.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Know, saying no to acting for a while has been
really scary and it feels risky, but I keep just
telling myself it's okay, you're gonna be You're going to go,
You're gonna be fine. And so I'm kind of in
that vein right now, just entrepreneurship and also just building
(18:37):
my brand, not just with fashion, but it's the backbone
of the brand is really about reminding women that we
have the opportunity in every moment to choose ourselves and
that for me, you know, it's just kind of the
backbone of everything that the brand does, whether it's fashion,
whether it's the podcast, whether it's the live event and
(19:01):
more to come.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Like I'm just I'm so.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Happy to have found that passion that I can build
upon for my future and you know what, for the
future of my family, Like when I'm gone, I want
them to have something that they can do whatever they
want with it.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
But I want to be able to leave them with stuff,
you know, some things.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah, how did you get there?
Speaker 1 (19:21):
So?
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I mean, you know, we could follow the journey of
your life, but was it therapy? Was there a point
at which you were like, you know, kind of digging deeper.
I mean, I'm fifty six years old, so I've gone
through many transitions in my life and you know, trying
to figure out what really is going to fulfill me
at any point, right What ful fills me now at
(19:43):
fifty six certainly was very different than what did when
I was thirty and having babies. But was there did
you have some kind of an aha moment where you
sort of, you know, thought, Okay, I'm going to put
acting aside and it's not doing it for me anymore.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
I had a long period of sort of feeling really
stuck and lost and unclear about what I wanted to do.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
And I think so many of us.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Go through at least one of those in our lives,
if not many, where you're like, I don't know what
I want, I don't know what I'm good at.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Like, I don't know where where can I go that
is has a place for me.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
And so I just really sat with that for a
long time, and honestly, I was I'm a person that.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Manages depression. I've always had it, so I just.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Thought, Oh, I'm in a lull, It'll be fine, I'll
come back up, It'll be great. But it took a
lot a long time. And I had done a ton
of therapy. I had done a lot of self work
after my divorce, and I really felt the benefits of that,
but I was still kind of lost, and I thought,
you know, I had to really get specific about what
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I wanted for my future, and I had to envision
exactly what I wanted my life to be like moving forward.
And I did that with a vision board, quite honestly,
and really really.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Like a literal one like you got out the poster
board and yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Yeah, no whiteboard.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
I have all my ideas on it, which is one
entire whiteboard, but also like all of the things I
want my life to be like like, and I have
pictures and you know, I really didn't believe in that before,
but I just sat with it and would stare at
it and think hmm, and not have any clue how
to get all of those get there, get to whatever
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was up there on that whiteboard.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
And the more I looked at it, and the more
I kept it in.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
The forefront front of my mind on a daily basis,
it just started to fall into place in the most
magical way. And I think it just became that like
getting still with something, realizing what you want, and then
taking the steps to get there.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
And it's it.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Sounds so overwhelming, but if you break it down into steps,
it's something we can all do.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
And I always thought of it as like having a
little ball, like a rubber ball.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
And pushing it up a mountain with my nose and
like just trying to get the ball, and we come
back down and then I push you back up again
and then we'll come back down a little bit. So
for me, that's what life has been like. And I
feel like I'm like on the sort of all plateau
of the mountain right now, feeling very safe, feeling very
good about where I am.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
But there's always a bigger mountain to climb. You know,
if you.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Want that, I love that. I love that because I do.
I think both of us feel sort of at a
crossroads right now. I know, at least I do. Our
show that we've always had is paused, and we're kind
of considering what the next parts of our you know,
I have children who are going to be leaving the
home in a few years, and and I just am
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trying to figure out the rest of my life and
what I want. So that vision board, you know, I
never really considered making one, but if it, if you're
telling me about it.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I'm right, I feel so like I'm fascinated by it.
Will you give us an example of just one thing
on the vision board, like I'm trying to picture myself actually,
you know, taking run it, what's here, scrambled in here,
put it out there, onto side, start.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
With putting it, throwing it all up there.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Just get it out of here and put it up
on a board where you're actually seeing all the things
that are in your head. And then you start to
sort of some of them rise to the top, and
then the ones that rise to the top energetically, opportunities
will come to you that will fit with those. It's
there's something about you know, definitely about envisioning the life
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you want and really getting specific about it, and then
once your mind is in that energetic place, things will
come to you. It is I can't really explain it.
It's just the way it is, and I.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Feel it's you are explaining it. I just I love specifics,
like I work so well. I can't be big, you know,
sort of dream of something, make it happen has never
worked for me. I want to know. Okay, so I'm
going to go out to Staples and I'm going to
buy the piece of post word.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
You can get a poster, order a white board.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
I like a white yeah, I mean it like I like.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I like instructions.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Yes, okay, get a bose. Then put it all up
on the board. Get all your ideas out, you.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Know, you give us an example, like what was one
of the ones. Hell's one of the ones that you
put up there.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
And then the one for twenty twenty four was start
my brand, start a brand, Start my brand, and I
had specifically start me by Jenny Garth.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
That was the brand, and.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
I had no concept of how I was going to
do it. I had I've never started a brand from
I have started a brand from the ground up with
a partner, but I had never done it solo, and
so I knew how to do it step by step.
It was just a matter of like hunkering down and
doing the work, because it is a nine to six
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pm job.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Every single day I.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Go into my office, I submer urge myself in the
world that I want to create with, you know, those
inspirational messages in front of me, and then I just work.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
I make calls, I send emails, I.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Think about who do I know, what doors could I
find that are slightly open, and then those are the
things that sort of fall into place.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
One of the things, you know, one of the.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Things has always to make sure I'm creating in a
daily a date on my daily calendar, me time where
you know, whether it's going to the gym, whether it's
going and taking a nice bath, doing like a whole
skincare moment for myself, whether it's eating healthy, prepping my food.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
You know, all those things are part of the whole picture.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
So you have to really think about what your balanced
life will look like, and so the specifics of it
are just as important as doing it.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
You know, it's just you've got to really visualize it.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah, I love that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Do you feel happier now at your age? And so
I've also battled pression and anxiety and all of that.
But as I've gotten older, I feel better about myself,
about my life. I mean, and it's funny, right, it
seems antithetical to aging, but I feel more calm and
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peaceful and like I have just more of a sense
of self. Are you, And I'm thinking about you, coming
from such fame and fortunate at such a young age,
you probably I would think that you feel even calmer
and better about yourself now than maybe when you were seventeen.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Absolutely, I mean in my early life I was thrown
into this world such a fish out of water, really
trying struggling to figure out my place and how.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
To maintain my own sense of self within it all.
And that was really hard for me.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
I mean, not to mention, my job was stepping into
somebody else's shoes every day, putting on a different character,
whatever the job was. So it's been a lot of
my time not even being myself. It was being another somebody,
whoever the character was I was portraying, And so I
really lost myself along.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
The way, I.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Didn't have, you know, And I'm kind of the person
too that loses themselves in I've lost myself in motherhood.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I lost myself in.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
My relationship, and it took a lot of work to
reclaim my identity and fall back in love with myself
first and foremost. And I think that when you reach
that point where you can honestly tell yourself I love
you and I'm going to take care of you today,
that's the point when your life just starts to blossom
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and it's indescribable.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Was that reason that realization?
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Yeah, I turned fifty and I was like, Okay, I've
got to get my shit together. I need to have
some I need to figure out my purpose. I need
to have that drive that I know is inside of
me and there are things that I know I'm destined
to do. But I was just afraid. I was frozen
with fear, and I was I didn't think there was
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room for me. Like you look, say you want to
start a skincare line.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
There's a million skincare lines.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Out there, right and you look on the internet and
you're seeing your feet and you're like, oh my gosh,
look how beautiful that is? And look how successful they are,
and wow, that's such a cool group of women. And
once I stop thinking like I'm watching it and started
thinking like I'm in it with them, Like I found
this like ability to find my seat at that table
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within my own concept. You know.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I love that because I'm going through the same thing
right now. I just started my second book and I'm like, well,
I'm never going to write it as well as like
all these people on the bestseller list, But I have
to stop. I have to just think of myself as
one of them. Right, So you just have to think.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Of yourself every day.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Remind yourself to go back to the who you are
at your core, what makes you authentic to yourself, and
just stop trying to be what anybody else thinks or
wants or expects, but just come back to I am enough.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Like I know it sounds corny and but it's so true.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Like just on the way home from the gym, I
was like, oh my god, I love myself so much.
I was like doing my affirmations in the car. And
it's daily practice. It's daily work.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
If you want to know.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
It's also probably staying off of social media because that's
a landscape where everybody tells you who you are, and
especially as a reality persona where you're living your real
life and the cameras they tell you know how well
you're living or if you're you know, doing well at
life or not. And it's really like you can convince
yourself of the majority opinion on there when.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Absolutely and you can.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I mean, I do it.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
I don't scroll doom scrolling they call it, right, and
I get into a real place of compare despair, Like
when I start looking to everybody else's perfect lives and
how accomplished and successful and fun it looks, I go
to a place that's not healthy for me, like and
I have to stay I have to stay away from it.
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And that's a daily choice to just stay focused on
the prize for myself and for my family and not
let all that other stuff get in my head because
I are you able.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
To do it?
Speaker 3 (30:21):
With it in there?
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Are you able to stop? I mean, I've tried made
this promise to myself, and every day I'm still not
there yet I get sucked back into the abyss. I
mean it's so depressing because I know that days that
I don't do it, hours that I don't get stuck scrolling.
Are happier hours, yeah, more peaceful hours, right, But I
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still still it pulls me back in.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
I know, I'll find myself dipping in a little bit,
Like I'll go in and try and do I like
to engage with my with my friends on there, and
I will be like and then I'll all sudden by
myself scrolling and I'm like, ohoa, we're not doing that.
We have other things that are more important than this.
So you just got to talk yourself down.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
So you're three girls there are they're adults now, right?
I mean there were always little girls on the red
carpet with you. Are they are they home? Are you
empty nesting?
Speaker 4 (31:26):
I'm about to officially enter into the empty nests zone
my eighteen year old graduating.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
It's the last. However, I have a daughter that moved
back in with me, uh.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
So, which I love, Like I'm not compained at all,
But she still feels like she is fulling the coop.
So I kind of feel like a roommate with her now, which.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Is how I love. Yeah, and you're all.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Doing their own things, which is amazing.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
That's really great. It's great to watch your kids just
succeed in life. It is many actresses been married. You've
been married to Dave is your third husband? You said, yeah, yeah, okay,
and there's a nine year age gap. Was that difficult
to navigate? Was it? Did you not feel it?
Speaker 3 (32:13):
I definitely considered it.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
In the very beginning, I knew that we were in
two different sort of developmental places because I had just
come out of doing a ton and ton a ton
of self work and going on solo trips and you know,
seeking out all the things I could find to enrich myself.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
And he was not in that space yet.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
But we fell for each other and he fulfilled a
lot of different parts of me, Like he brought in
this beautiful levity, and he made our family feel that
laughter again, which we had kind of lost after the divorce.
And yeah, and he and his young that young side
of him was really fun for me. But I later
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learned that he's basically an eighty eight old man in
a forty four year old body, which actually works for
me because, like I said, I'm a homebody.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
I love to just be with my family and he
does too.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
But it was it is something and we just actually
talked about it recently the other day that that gap,
that age gap is never going to go away. We
might feel like we're the same age because we're you know,
always together and doing the same things, but developmentally, I
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am nine years ahead of him, and we all know women,
well most women, some women kind of evolve quicker than men.
So it's about like looking at where each of us
are and respecting that and trying, for me, trying to
not have any expectations of him being where I am
all the time and letting him be where he is,
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which is almost a decade difference, you know, and that's
there's so much growth that happens, especially well in every
decade of your life. But I found so much for
me personally in my forties into my fifties. A lot
of people feel it in their thirties. But I always
say I'm kind of ten years behind because I was
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on nine or two and zero for ten years and
that was such a bubble experience of not developing normally.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
So I've always said I'm like ten years behind.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
But yeah, that the age difference, well, it doesn't feel
like it day to day.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
You have to do you have to kind of step
back and look big picture and recognize.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Right, you know, I go, it doesn't feel like that
big of an age difference to me, maybe because I
know it's ten years and ten years my husband and
I are almost seven years apart. He's older, but maybe
because he is the man that he just still is younger.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
No, it's definitely a different dynamic when the man is
older than the woman.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Woman is older.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
Than the man in the relationship and she's successful and
completely independent.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
There are so many different things that come into play.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
How did you meet Dave?
Speaker 2 (35:03):
How did you meet him?
Speaker 4 (35:04):
We met a blind double date, like a setup with
a double another couple, and that's when.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
I yeah, I never heard of that. That's clever, that
it was a setup.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Did you so you had a difficult divorce from Peter Practice, I.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Would say in behind closed doors it was extremely difficult.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Yes, was that? Did you think that you would find
love again?
Speaker 3 (35:31):
No?
Speaker 4 (35:32):
No, I didn't want to find love again. I was
so really Now, after I got over the trauma and
the pain and like gluing myself somehow back together into
this new form of a human, I was like, yeah,
I'm good.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
I don't want to date, I don't want to do anything.
And then people started to like, you should go on
this go to dinner with this guy.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
I know, Okay, I'll try it, I'll practice. And as
I started to do that, I start to really get
very clear on what I didn't want moving forward. So
it was easy for me to make a list of
like my non negotiables, the things that I was looking
for in a partner, and the things that really just
wouldn't work for me moving forward in my life. And
I was able to really define those and I had
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to give and take on some of them for sure,
and also just allow for Dave to.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Have growth in his life, you know.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
I mean, he's a completely different person than he was
when I met him.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
He's a different person than he was yesterday.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
Like I really believe in allowing yourself to evolve on
a daily basis.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Yeah, you have a podcast dedicated to remarriage divorce. I
do Part two. Yes, it's another iHeart podcast, one of
three that you host currently.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Yeah, I have OG which is the Rewatch Have I
Choose Me, which is my solo project in kind of
in the health and wellness space, And I have I
Do Part two, which is Yeah, finding Love the second time.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Actually I've been doing I've been hosting some of them myself. Yeah,
I'm married. Yeah, I'm married twenty five years. But my
husband and I were separated for a year and a
half and it was you know, it's it's a very
different thing than what I picture that it would be
coming back together. I mean, everybody has that story. I
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guess on some level. Everybody changes and relationships evolve and
they change, and there's always a part two. I feel
like sometimes it's you know, it's divorce, or it's separation,
or unfortunately sometimes people are widowed. But it's very interesting.
I feel like this second time around, and even though
I've been married, I've definitely there are different dynamics in
my marriage than I ever thought that there would be.
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But I think it's such a fascinating topic, right.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
It really is. The relationships are not easy.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
It's not I don't know if it's natural for you
to meet somebody a complete stranger and then be with
them twenty four hours a day, every single day, for
the rest of your life, Like that's a big commitment.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Amen.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
Yeah, So I think it's just about allowing each person
to have their individuality and then really cherishing that middle
space that you both share and that you both put
energy into that's your relationship, but really maintaining those that
you are your own unique, you know, whole and complete
humans without one of them.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
I love that. And Peter came on the podcast.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Correct, Yeah, and yeah, Peter was on the podcast. He
was on I Choose Me?
Speaker 1 (38:41):
And how was that for you guys? Was that healing
at all?
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Or it was?
Speaker 4 (38:46):
I was very uneasy going in. I didn't know what
was going to happen. I didn't really even have anything prepared.
I just wanted to sit down on a couch with them.
We had never sat and down and talked. It was
always texting. Wow, it was always emailing and just like
budding heads constantly for.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
I cannot believe he agreed to that. This is some
brain I know to.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Do it publicly. It was so scary and brave.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
I know. Well.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
I really went to him and I said, A, nothing
will go out that you don't want to go out,
and b why don't we use our story to help
other people see that they can do it, they can
get through this because it was very difficult for us,
and I think through sharing our story it made us closer.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
It kind of closed that loop of.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
Anger and pain and resentment and It sort of put
us on a level of we have a friendship now
and a newfound respect for one another because I had
never heard him say the things that he told me
on that podcast really and it was really interesting.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
I didn't do much talking. I just literally let him talk,
and so much poured out of him.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
It was really, I think, good for him, it was
good for me, and it was definitely good for our daughters.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Oh so that's great. You feel like your co parenting
relationship changed after that?
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Wow, amazing And how is everything today?
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Everything today is, you know, much better.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
We stayed at his house during the fires, like I
feel comfortable, like saying, you know, we need a home
to stay in, can we come to yours? And he
was yes, of course, And we spend time together. We
can go to dinner together. We can hang out.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Now you go to dinner together?
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Wait? Is he remarried?
Speaker 3 (40:33):
He is engaged and he has a two year old baby.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Wow, that's huge. That's not easy to get there.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
It really isn't. But there was so much Like I
was starting to feel like I was holding on to
the anger and the pain, and I started to recognize
a bitterness in myself and it's just an overall negative.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Feeling like a cloud. And I was said to myself.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
I do not want this moving forward. This is not
the me I want to be, and I really how
to just release it, work really hard to release it,
because at the end of the day, you guys, it
does not matter.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Nothing matters.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
All the arguments, all the disagreements, all the issues, they
don't matter. What matters is how you make people feel
in the moment, and how your kids need to feel
moving forward in their life and see their parents' relationship.
I think it's just evolution and getting to a place
where you prioritize the things.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
That are really important to you.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
And for me, peace and kindness are just like at
the forefront of what I want to focus on.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
I love that. I feel like I need you to
be in my Life's amazing. Everything that you're saying makes
so much sense to me. I mean in this moment
where I just am all most fifty and just don't
really know where I want my life to go. Do
your daughters want to be actresses? Are the actresses?
Speaker 4 (42:06):
No? One of My oldest daughter tried it, dappled in it,
both commercials.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
I did a movie with her.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
I think that the level of rejection was hard for
her and it didn't make her feel good like in
her heart.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
So she pivoted.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
And my middle daughter is into fashion and she's actually
my creative design director on the brand.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Yeah, we work together every day.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
And my youngest daughter, the one that's about to graduate
from high school, she is interested in psychology and she
is a huge inspiration. I'm really excited about what's about
to happen for her. She's going to create her own
platform and her own podcast that's going to really reach
young girls who have been in similar situations as she
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has and just talk about that struggle and how hard
it is to be a young girl in this day
and age.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
I love that. I absolutely love that.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
And it's a testament that your daughters want to work
with you, you know, I want to do a film
with you and want to work on you know, on
your fashion label with you.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
My really best friends. It's weird, we're best friends. I've
always been like, hey, guys, I am codependent.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
So deal with it.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
And the same yeah, like, welcome to the rest of
your life.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
If you're working with it. I'm okay with it.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
But I've sort of SOT in this new place of like,
how about we try interdependence where we're you know, again.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
We're branding but on our ice.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
But we still need and love each other, you know,
and we're all flying with that.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Jenny, tell us about the fashion line, I tell us
exactly what I mean. You know, You've talked a lot
about what the goals, but what is specifically what is
this fashion?
Speaker 4 (43:53):
Yes, it's exclusive to TVC first and foremost, so I
have the wonderful design team there that I work with
pretty much on a daily basis, and we are designing.
I would call this ready to wear day like easy
to throw on looks that you can just go about
your business in your day, uh and feel strong and
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confident and put together and beautiful and comfortable. I mean
that's the like driving force for me is comfort, and
I'm really pushing towards trying to get more sustainability in there.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
It's a challenge, but I'm not afraid of a challenge,
so I'm going to keep pushing that. But I love
our clothes. I wear them every single day.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Like that sweater. I love the sweater you wear sweater.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
The shirt and the pants you got.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
I know, I love it.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
They're all Jenny, They're all by Jenny Garth.
Speaker 4 (44:45):
Yeah, because they're I'm like scrunched up in my outfit and.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
I feel so comfortable.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
So yeah, I have so many plans for tonight. Chop
on QBC, make my vision board. Oh my god, I
want it.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
That sounds fun. Can I come hang out?
Speaker 1 (45:00):
We'll do it together, please please. My kids are all
going out, so I'll just be driving. So what what
TV projects? Movie projects? Can we look forward to seeing
you in?
Speaker 3 (45:11):
Nothing right now? Which I am telling you that, I mean,
I even just you know, I really was specific.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
I was.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
I just turned down and offer a couple of days ago.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
Scary, the very scary, scariest hell second, guessing myself for
days afterwards, thinking oh, should I have done it? The
money would have been great and it's always good to
do another movie like it keeps you going, And I thought, no,
that's not what I want to spend my time waiting
in a trailer for people to tell me that they're ready.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
It set for me like, I want to be out there.
Speaker 4 (45:45):
I want to be connecting, I want to be creating,
and I want to be inspiring.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
You know, So I do you want to spit into
my category.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
Right now, that's scary and it's so admirable. That's so cool.
Like you've been saying yes for so long, right and
to really become a grown up and say it's so scary.
But this does not serve me anymore. Yeah, right on
my own. Yeah, not right now, not in this moment.
Good for you.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
I really feel like I'm going to take so many
things from this conversation, like it caught me at the
right moment in my life. I loved it and I'm
really excited to have met you. In my head, you
will always be Kelly Taylor, but you're also a really
remarkable woman who's accomplished so much. So so thank you
for joining us today. So nice of you.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
All this compliments, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
No, it's real, sir. It Yeah, So we'll we'll look
forward to checking out your your projects and I'm going
to make a vision board and if any of it
comes comes through, I'm going to DM you and like
you know, change that when it comes through, when it comes,
when it comes through.
Speaker 4 (46:58):
Yes, it really matters how we talk to ourselves.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
As that's true. What's the name of the sweater?
Speaker 2 (47:04):
Just just.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
This is if you go to GBC dot com.
Speaker 4 (47:09):
You can type in me by Jenny Garth in the
search bar, and it's called the Frankie Turtleneck and it's
got a cute little hen.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
It's going to be at the top of GENS vision
board by the Frankie.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
I mean, I'm not going to have time to put
it on the board because I'm gonna have to get
off the pod QBC dot com. It just looks, it's
just so, it's pretty uncomfortable looking, and that's exactly how
I like to dress good.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
I hope I love it.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for joining us today.
Speaker 3 (47:35):
You're so welcome. I loved it.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
We appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
Okay, have a good one.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
Bye. She was amazing. I feel like that caught me
right at a moment.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
You know, Billie, why what's going on with you?
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Just because I'm trying to figure out what else to do.
I mean, the show is on pause right who knows
if it's coming back? And I wake up a lot
and think, well, if it doesn't come back, what am
I going to do when I'm done waiting?
Speaker 3 (48:00):
You know?
Speaker 1 (48:01):
And like, what am I gonna do?
Speaker 2 (48:03):
Even even though you were writing a second book, we
have not even discussed it.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Yeah, it just it just started. Yeah started.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
It wasn't news to me. How exciting is that?
Speaker 1 (48:12):
No, I haven't. I don't really, I haven't really spoken
about it yet because it's so so brand new. But yeah,
it's really exciting. But also, like you get that imposter
syndrome where you're like, can I do this? You know
it's not it's not memoir, it's it's a novel. So
it's almost like it's so new for me, and like
(48:32):
I have all these ideas and it's really fun, but
then I get these moments where I'm like, there's so
much better novelists out there, and then like I read
I read stuff about like I'm deep diving on White
lotus right now. So I was reading like the New
York Times magazine did this thing, I'm Parker Posy and
they were talking about like Mike White and his head
and like what all these relationships mean. And I was like, God,
like my characters aren't that in depth yet, you know,
(48:54):
maybe I should stop. And then I'm like, no, like
we don't all have to be Mike White, Like it
doesn't have to be like an Emmy winning thing. Right
at the beginning, right.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
Like we should do if we should do an episode
just on this, because I find that so many things
in my life I've given up on because I thought
it's not going to be as good as it's not
going to be as big, as it's not going to
be enough. And like ideas that I had. I had
this one idea going back years and years of doing
(49:21):
a clothing line called Monday Mornings, and I wanted it
be spelled m O U r n I ngs. It
was kind of kitchy because like on Mondays, you're kind
of in mourning about all the self destructive shit you
did to yourself over the weekend, right, And I was
going to have it be you see it a lot
now like jeans slash sweatpants, right, I feel like sweatpants,
but their genes. I wanted to do something where like
(49:43):
the size was instead of saying size six, it would
say usually a six or or a six during the week,
and then make the clothes that were just easy to
slip into and comfortable and made you not feel so restricted. Anyway,
I had this idea, and imposter syndrome got the best
(50:04):
of me, and it just never got even off the
ground because somebody else was going to have it, or
somebody else is going to do it, or somebody was
better at it, somebody else's hard.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
Follow through is hard. It also it takes a lot
of work. I am somebody who loves immediate gratification, and
the fact that writing a book takes so long is
something that also turns me off. But it's a lot
of fun. It's definitely off the ground, but it is
still new. So once it's once i'm sure of it,
I'll talk more about it. But in the meantime, i'm
(50:33):
just My point is that, like, it's really easy to
get stuck in this I don't know what I want thing,
But I think that vision board idea is very appealing
because then you can visualize what you want, right, you
can spell it out.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
Yeah, for sure, seems more manageable, maybe when you look
at it in like little pieces, right Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Yeah, But I also need to remind myself of the
part where part of what I should want for my
life is peace and to filled my life with loving relationships,
true friendships, you know, So I have to work that in.
It's not all about like what's going to make me
money and give me visibility and stuff.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
Like that.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
So I also have a hard time, you know, remembering
my priorities. What my priority is.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Very honest, and I can definitely relate to that. That's
like work on that a lot in therapy, like without
any of the hoopla or like whatever comes along with
this little tiny bit of game. And I've been again,
you've been doing this way longer than I haven't a
way bigger capacity. But like all of that is really
not what matters is knowing that I'm enough, Like just
(51:42):
as Jenny was saying, it sounds cheesy, but like I'm
good without any of that, without any of the extra, right,
Like I'm enough, I'm special enough. We all are getting
kind of crunchy now, but I mean, I know.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
It's true, And working on myself the past few years,
I've definitely I'm definitely getting much closer to that place
where I know, no matter what my job title is
or what I accomplish work wise, I am enough and
I'm loved and you know all that gooey stuff. But
you know, it's it's hard to job job wise. If
(52:17):
you're a worker, it's it's hard. Anyway, I loved this
and I loved her, and I'm definitely going to put
in play some of the things she suggested. She really
is an inspiring.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
Woman, Yes she is. By the way, does age she's
dis gorgeous?
Speaker 1 (52:35):
No, I know she's beautiful too. Wow. All right, this
was really fun and h and until next time, guys,
we hope you love this episode. Give us five stars
and we will see you next time.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
Thanks you guys.
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