December 4, 2023 • 48 mins
The housewives universe is exploding with the use of Ozempic so Jackie and Jen dive right into what makes them compete opposites on their views of the drug.Jen gets real about how she landed in the hospital from taking semiglutides. And Jackie shares her fears and worries about Jenn using it.The ladies don’t hold back and discuss it ALL on our first episode of Two Jersey J’s!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey everyone. I'm Jackie Goldschneider from the Real Housewives of
New Jersey.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I joined the show in season nine, and I'm Jen Fessler,
also from the Real Housewives of New Jersey, and I
guess I joined in season twelve. Jack I think so yeah, Okay,
keep up? No season thirteen, you joined Sason thirteen would
you be without me?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
And Welcome to our new podcast, To Your Jersey.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
We're so excited to do this, guys. It's Kith. It
escapes you Jay. The Jay stands for Jackie Jennifer maybe Jewish,
maybe Jersey Jersey.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
But you know, this podcast is going to be We're
going to talk about everything, no holds barred. It's going
to be everything like motherhood, health, love.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Things that are going on really in our lives. Jackie,
I'm fifty five, Jackie's forty seven, So there's like an
interesting range here. And you know, in terms of like
both of us being middle age creeping up to old age,
I think a little faster. We're going to.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Dive right in with something that Jen and I have
never spoken about before. You know, if you don't mind
me talking for one second, I will say Jen and
I are very very similar women. We are both middle
aged Jewish women from New Jersey, and we have the
same job and the same circle of friends. But there
is one very big, glaring difference between us.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
So I have been on and I'm not going to
call it. Everybody calls it ozempic, right, that's sort of
been the umbrella name. But I've been on what's called
semigluetide for over a year now and I've lost maybe
twenty two pounds.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
And I am an outspoken advocate for eating disorder recovery
and a very strong opponent of semigluetides. For losing those
last ten pounds, I think it's a very danger trend,
(02:01):
but out of respect for each other in our friendship,
we have never.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Discussed it, unlike I think, I think that our podcast
is not going to be a housewives podcast per se,
but also different in that I think sometimes it Maybe
you all have noticed that housewives tend to escalate situations
that don't have to become so volatile do become volatile,
and Jackie and I have never had that kind of
(02:25):
energy between us. We don't intend on having it between us.
Clearly we're not going to agree on maybe not just
ozempic semi glue type, but a lot of things, and
we're going to really make an effort to talk things
through in an adult way and in a way that's
respectful of both of us and our friendship. Right, So
let's dive in.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
So I think that it's a very dangerous trend to
use ozempic just to lose you know, those last ten
to fifteen pounds. And now I am in my job.
We're on a cast of nine women. Okay, so take
me out of it. There's eight posts stars on this show,
and more than half of them are on ozembic, so I.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Can't verify that, but I know that more than half
of us have definitely lost considerable amount of weight. Well,
there's only one person who lost a lot of weight
that hasn't confirmed that they're on a semba glue tide. Anyway,
I have questions for Jen that I have never asked
her because it's not only personal medical decision that she made,
but also like we don't want to fight with each other,
(03:26):
which we're not going to, but there are things that
I've wanted to know that I have never asked her.
So let me ask you. I'm a hundred by the way,
ask away I've got that is going to be the
beauty of us. Ask me anything, okay, Like, first of all,
aren't you nervous? Like don't you worry?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Like if it was me and I'm a paranoid person
to begin with, but like every ache and painn I
would have been like, uh oh, is that the side
effects that I don't know about? Is that the stuff
that they haven't researched yet, Like don't you get nervous?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
So I am a raging hypochondria, which you know. But
it's very strange because when it comes to things having
to do with my physical appearance, somehow that just goes
out the window. For instance, like I am not afraid
at all of going into surgery for anything cosmetic. I
might be afraid of going into surgery. I haven't really
had any surgeries other than cosmetic, So I'm just being
(04:14):
real with you guys. But no, I'm not afraid of ozebic.
And I will tell you I have had an experience
that was not good where that I'm pretty positive it
was about the semi glue tide, but where I had
to go to the hospital for an impacted bowel. So
let me be like really open about that, and I'm
still not nervous about it.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
No pun intended being really open. Yeah, so what happened
with that? Oh my god?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
So I was started to So one of these side
effects can be constipation, and I was having constipation, and
in true gen festal form, I just did nothing about it.
Didn't really bother me. I was drinking no water, eating
no vegetables because you know, something that happens A new
experience for me is being able to eat what I want,
even when it's not the most healthy choices and still
(05:01):
lose weight. Right, so maybe for the first time in
my life, I'm like losing weight on pizza and bagels
and ice cream. Having said that, I noticed that there
was constipation. I didn't do anything about it. I wasn't
taking MiraLax, right, so you take every morning or any
kind of stool softener. It hadn't gone in a week.
Then it was a week and a half, And are
(05:21):
you kidding? I just didn't I know. So I'm gonna
say two things. Number One, I'm aware that there are
side effects, so I can't take that away from all
what all of this is. But I will also say
that I am to blame for ignoring them and allowing
it to escalate to the point where I became impacted.
So I haven't since and this is going back months
(05:43):
and months ago, so it's not the same. So now
I drink water, I take my relax I am trying
to eat in a more healthy way than I used to,
and I haven't had a problem since.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Okay, what about do you worry about the muscle loss
and have you Do you get checked for that?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yes, so I get checked for that. I probably go
in every month is sometimes six weeks, and I've lost muscle.
So let me say that, and that's dangerous. Well, so
here's the thing with that. Okay, again, I'm like the extreme,
I guess the extreme example because I don't care, like
I don't exercise, and I'm going I shouldn't say that
(06:18):
I just got a personal trainer, because now it is dangerous,
especially at fifty five, when you do lose you know,
so much bone mass and you do lose muscle. And
I know I probably sound so irresponsible, but I haven't
been worried about it. If I had been more worried
about it, I would have done something about it, like,
for instance, lift weights and exercise. So physically, I feel
a lot better in clothes. When I'm not in close,
(06:41):
I look ninety because I have a lot of you know,
I've gone up and down by more than twenty pounds
in my life, by a lot more than twenty pounds.
So there's a lot of skin that exists now when
you lose muscle and fat. But again I have to
take responsibility for that in the sense that you know,
you don't put on muscle when you just lay in
a horizon on your bed eating chips. It doesn't work
(07:02):
like that. So now I have recently hired a personal trainer,
So I think that a lot of this you have
to be proactive about. Am I worried about it? No?
Am I aware of it and a little disappointed in
myself for not addressing it soon or sure?
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Right, So tell me what you think about this. So recently,
Sharon Osborne, there was a story about her, There's been
a bunch of stories about her that she went on
ozempic or a sema gluetae. I use ozembic as an
umbrella term for all of these drugs. And she was
on it for a while, I guess, and she lost
a ton of weight. And she said that she has
(07:36):
since stopped using it, but that she cannot gain any
weight back, and that she's under one hundred pounds and
no matter what she does, she can't gain weight back.
And that just makes me think what must have happened
to her goddamn insides for her body to be malfunctioning
(07:57):
like that right now?
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Right? Doesn't that make you worry? No, it doesn't. Here's
why I was just thinking about this because I have
a friend who's about to go in for a tummy
tuck and she's freaking out because I think it was
Kanye West's mom who died after having a tommy tuck,
Like I don't there's I feel like there's always going
(08:19):
to be someone out there with anything, with any kind
of drug, medicine, operation surgery. Right, there's always that exception
to the rule. My experience so far has been has
been that is not the rule. That what happens what
happened to Sharon Osbourne happens to the majority of people
on this medication. I also feel like this medication has
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been around for longer than people realize for people with diabetes,
or people with diabetes, or you don't have diabetes, right right,
I certainly do not. My daughter does actually have type one,
but it's for type they use it for type two diabetes.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Right now, So does your daughter, since your daughter does
have diabetes, does she have any feeling about you using
a drug that created a shortage for people who actually
need it with diabetes.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Well, so, first of all, well, Rachel has type one diabetes,
not to be confused with type two, which is who
the drug has traditionally been prescribed for. So but having
said that, what I know maybe different from what you know.
But I was concerned. I don't want to take drugs
from people that needed that when there was a shortage
for people that there are life saving drugs out there.
(09:26):
So I did my own research into it. And what
was on shortage was not the actual drug itself, right,
But it was with ozembic. Ozmpic is administered in a pen, right,
so it's it was a shortage of those pens that
could administer it. I never used a pen, so I
used semi glue tide and I did it. I do
it manually. It's a little syringe, Okay. So that was
(09:48):
not concern of my daughter's or of mine.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Okay, I want you to know I am not judging
you at I don't feel like these are all just
the questions that I have really wanted to know, and
I have more.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Are you okay I can ask me because I guys.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I mean, I'm sure that a lot of you know
my story. But I suffered from anorexia, like severe anorexia
for almost two decades. So for me, now I'm in
this place where like I can finally eat again and
enjoy food again. To watch people intentionally destroying their hunger,
it just blows my mind because it took me so
(10:22):
long to get back to that place. So I'm in
a very different place than like some people in terms
of like the way that I view how like beautiful
it is to feel hunger and then eat something.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
So let me say this first of all, I Jackie,
you know this, but I was riddled with blimia and
compulsive overeating in my late teens up into my thirties.
Like when I got pregnant for whatever reason, things started
to calm down. But anyway, but I still was a
compulsive overreader, not as much of a bliemic anyway, And
I get what you're saying. So this is how I
(10:55):
feel about it, because I feel like we were just
going over the rules as opposed to like why I'm
even on it. Struggled like you my whole life with
trying to control my weight, and sometimes I was successful,
other times I was not, and sometimes it was dangerous
the way in which I would choose to do that.
For the first time in my life, I have some
(11:16):
freedom around food. It feels to me like this is
how naturally then people must feel right, because it is.
I do get hungry, but it is different experience. There
is a mechanism and this also affects hormones, right, So
there's a mechanism that's happening now in my brain in
(11:37):
terms of insulin where I don't have that battle that
I used to have. It is such a freedom for me,
and I know it must be for people everywhere taking it.
Having said that, I do think about women like yourself
who have struggled for so long to watch this all
of a sudden magic pill come in, and even women
(12:01):
that maybe didn't have eating disorders but have been living
existing on you know, chicken and salad, and it must
be a very strange thing to think there's been so
much deprivation and now you're watching with this magic pill
it's not really like that. Well, I think that we have.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Really different viewpoints on this because to me, and this
is not about you just in general, you look at
it like you have this freedom. I look at it
like you're in a prison forever, like you have got
to be on this forever. You are trapped if God forbid,
they start finding other side effects or your bowel gets
impacted again, or you get nervous that this shit is
(12:39):
passing through your pancreas, like whatever it is, you're stuck
because when you come off that drug, unless you're showeron
Osbourne like, you are probably gaining back all that weight
and then your head.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Is going to be in a hill spin. I totally
hear that, but I am not worried about it, and
I also not worried about going off of it, like
we're extreme opposites in this case. Is that because you
plan to go off of plant right? Yeah, I don't
know what the future holds, but I know that it's
getting approved more and more right for weight loss, and
(13:16):
I've spoken to my doctors who say it's not something
that you have to go off of, and my dose
now is lower than what it was originally. I've actually
gained a little bit of weight back, which I really
sad about. Yeah, okay, how much did you lose total?
And then what did you gain that? Maybe twenty two
pounds total is what you lost? Yeah, oh, and then
what'd you gain back? Gained back? I don't know, five pounds,
(13:38):
so you're only like seventeen pounds lower than you were. Yeah? Really? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Wow, it looks so thin. Yeah, well, something I think
I loved toothing. I mean, I at one point, I
think you look beautiful.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Thank you. I've seen pictures where I looked frail, and
at age fifty five, you know, it's easier to look frail, right,
So I also was sort of getting to the point
where I was punched over all of that. I don't
I'm not looking for that. And by the way, even
like when it comes to my body and what it
looks like and the muscle, the only reason I want
to build muscle is because it's healthy. I I'm getting
(14:11):
to an age where things are going to break right
and become brittle and I can't. I don't want that,
but I'm not. It's not for me anymore about a bikini.
It's not for me anymore about you know, having this
perfect body, I don't care one of the other freedoms
that come along, I guess with getting older.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
So you're on it because you want to eat whatever
you want without aaining late.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
No, it's a lot more than that. It's not a lot,
and it's not like I just want to eat more.
It's a freedom. My whole life, I've been tortured by food,
thinking about it, eating it, not eating it, like it's
this ability. We just had Thanksgiving dinner, right and actually
I was ate a lot, But the days in which
I would just torture myself continue to eat when I
(14:58):
wasn't hungry.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
When you look at the housewives world across all the
different cities there are, and we just saw this at
Bravo Con. I mean we went to Bravo Con and
it was like everywhere I turned someone was so thin
that my eyes were like watering, Like I couldn't believe
some of these women were half the size they were
at last year's Bravo And it makes you wonder if
(15:31):
you didn't have these this very complicated relationship with food
your whole life, why would you put yourself on a
drug that you could never come off of.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
This is so let me tell you this. So when
I got on this drug, you actually were not judgmental.
But there were lots of women in my life who
were okay, and specifically for the most part, they were
women that are thin and that have been thin and
that really work hard to maintain certain level of thinness.
Those women that were judgmental, and my family and some
(16:05):
of my best friends have since gotten on it, which
I think is so interesting. They want to lose the
last five pounds soft. So I will say that I
don't know, I don't they were judgmental of me, and
(16:25):
I'm trying really not to be judgmental of them, but
it's I think it was hard for them to watch
somebody who I don't know did indulge so much more
than they ever did and all of a sudden have this.
I keep saying, magic pill. Maybe that's obnoxious. If it is,
I don't mean, oh I don't. It feels like that's
(16:45):
what it feels like for me. Right, So here here's
one more question. Do you ever worry about the day,
Like do you think about what would happen one day
if they do start finding some side effects with longer
term use that would scary you enough to go off
of it. Do you ever worry about having to make
a choice between your health and gaining back the weight?
(17:07):
You don't, I can't say that I do worry about it.
But I'm on other medications for so long that maybe
people think are unhealthy. I mean, I've been on an
antidepressant for the past up and down different ones actually
for the past thirty years. Maybe how am I fifty
five ish? I mean, I've been on prozac for ages.
(17:28):
Right now, I'm on I'm on an estrogen pellet, which
there's so much controversy around hormone replacement drugs right and
back in the day they were maybe a little different,
But I remember my mom going on estrogen and then
she really worried about breast cancer and went off of it.
(17:48):
But it for me that just even that the pellet
has helped me so much in terms of stopping those
very difficult those very difficult signs not signs of menopause,
but the the you know, from the night sweat to
the hot flashes, to the moods, to the joints, to everything.
So I guess it's a trade off that I right now,
(18:10):
maybe not forever, I feel like it's worth it.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Right, So you were pretty early in the game getting
on it, Yeah, like before a lot of people. So
what was that like, I mean, because you were not
a heavy woman. You weren't this thin, right, but you
weren't heavy. So like, did you know that your doctor
was putting you on it or did he.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Just like put it in? So I think there was
It's funny because I had a reporter asked me about
it and I said something to the effect of like
I had gone on these peptides and then I was
reading about it. I looked up one day semi glue tide.
I was like, wait a second, this is o zembek. Yeah,
it's the same. And I didn't realize it didn't My
doctor didn't do wasn't trying to trick me. I mean,
(18:50):
he was very clear, this is semi glue tide and
this is what it does. But I didn't. I didn't
necessarily like make that that it didn't click for me
that it was the same thing. Didn't bother me that
it was. So you did you know that he was
putting you on a weight loss Yes, a weight loss peptide. Okay,
(19:11):
did you know.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
You did he tell you it was something that you
had to stay on in order to keep the weight off.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
I don't remember, Jack. It was over a year ago,
so I don't remember exactly how we talked about it.
But I think that basically the best scenario is that
you change your eating habits while you're in while you
feel like you have more control. You then train yourself
right to eat less, to eat and the more to
make healthier choices. But training yourself to eat less is
(19:42):
shown in the studies that it doesn't work because when
you go off of it, the studies show, I don't
know from firsthand knowledge, the studies show that your appetite
comes back really strongly, so that you have no control
over that. You really don't.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
You can control how you exercise and the way you eat,
but you're you're really hungry.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah, but I mean I believe that, Yeah, I can
only be honest. Like when and when I was one
of the first. I think probably I'm not I'm a
friend of a housewife, but one of the first. You're
in it in that world who was sort of open
about it, right, I mean, isn't that true? Like, because
I know Andy Cohen asked.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Me one of the very first and then Dolores was
open about it, and Dolores said something. Who said something?
And Dolores is very honest and I love her.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
She said something that hit me.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
It was like she said, well, I'm not going to
show up to reunion and be the fattest person there,
will be the only person there's fat. And I remember thinking, wow,
I'm gaining all this weight while everyone else is losing it.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Is that going to be me?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
And am I going to be the person who's going
to show up and be heavier than everyone else?
Speaker 2 (20:50):
And it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
It was almost like I was so grateful that I
was okay with that possibility, because never before what I
have beene okay with that possibility.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
I was like, okay, if I am my own It's
funny because I look at you now and to me,
you're maybe we shouldn't even I don't want this to
like be triggering.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
No, I thought, I don't get triggered. I don't get triggered. No, no, no,
I'm not so well. I guess it's all relative. I mean,
I was like emaciated for my whole life, and now
I'm like a very I'm still on the thinner side,
but I'm.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Definitely in the normal room. Yeah, No, you don't look,
you don't exact. Yeah, But I will also say, just
because we're talking about like being one of the first
people to talk or to be open about it, and
a lot of people still are not open about it.
I don't have shame around it. No, And you shouldn't. No, No,
maybe you should. Maybe No, nobody should have shame about it.
And I'm not judging.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
I know more than anyone what that that that desire
to be in. I know what that is more than anyone.
And I nearly killed myself and when I don't say
that lightly like I could have had I had just
my body fell hart from anorexia. So I know what
it is. I'm not judging anyone.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
And I also honestly, like got very sick when I
was in the throes of bolimia. But I will tell
you that I don't tend to hide things like this
and the other because I don't even understand why people do,
just like I don't hide anything about you asked me
a plastic surgery I've had. I'm happy to tell you
about each and everyone, and there are a lot of them.
(22:23):
But I also I the other piece of this that
I think that people don't talk about, is that this
medication has helped me, not just with weight loss. And again,
I don't think this has talked about a lot. But
I am. I have an addictive personality and I'm a
heavy drinker. There were days like back back years ago
(22:45):
where I had to like, I was questioning my relationship
with alcohol and I actually checked myself into like an
outpatient program three days a week because I was unsure
of whether or not I could stop drinking and it
was very scary to me. And really, yeah, yeah, that's
a whole other that's different. You know that I was
once addicted to horse racing. I had an OTB account
(23:08):
and I used to tune into the channels and watch OTB.
I don't know if OTB is even still around. I
used to watch the races and call in bets all
day long. Well, you also maybe have an addicted personal
But here's the thing I want to say, and think
I got more and more control over it after I
sort of came to terms the fact that I needed
to look at it, thankfully. But having said that, when
(23:29):
was that when did you come to terms of the
years ago? Nice was never known you to drink like yeah, maybe, Like, well,
it wasn't. I never got so out of control that
they weren't. I never got a dui. I wasn't like
you know, but I was drinking every day. I was
drinking wine that whole what is it called the whole
mommy medicine? Oh yeah, yeah, and and too much. And
(23:53):
my point in all of this is that on semi
glue tide, it's I have an aversion to it and
it's not just drinking. So it's now being I've seen
this all over the news. I don't know if you have,
but it's very helpful with addiction, period. Right, So all
of a sudden, I'm in a place where it's just
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not that appealing to me. I still drink, like if
we're out, you know that we're out. I drink, and
there are times I drink more. Yeah, but it's not
it's not what it was. And I love that, all right.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
So let me ask you another question, because this is
you know a lot of things about using semaglue tide
just for weight loss horrify me because I think that
you're setting yourself up for a life long use of
the drug where there are not long term studies on
people without diabetes, and there are very like very important,
(24:47):
like very bad side effects that can happen.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
But you're an adult, okay, sometimes.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
And if you choose that path instead of you know,
dietitians and trainers like I've chose right, okay, but you're
an adult.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
You're an adult woman.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
So if you choose to lose weight with a semaglue
tite instead of other paths, that's one thing. Right now,
the FDA is about to approve this for children.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
I know a couple kids on it.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Well, they're technically not supposed to be honest it yet
I don't think because.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
It's they were by their endocrinot wait, I should actually
do the caveat their endocrinologists prescribed it because in a
few cases, like they were either pre diabetic. Okay, that's
a different story, right. I would have been the first
kid on it had this drug been around when I
(25:39):
was a kid, because my eating disorder started when I
was thirteen, so I not anorexia, but like my very
bad relationship with food started at thirteen, and then my
first really bad diet was at seventeen.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
I would have been on this stuff in a heartbeat,
and then I never would have been able to come off.
So my question is, how do you feel about parents
letting their kids get on this drug just for weight loss?
Not three diabetes, nothing like that, just weight loss.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I can't I'm not even going to comment on it
because I don't want to even put my what is
the expression I have in the ring, like I have
no business, I don't know and I don't even want
to comment on it. If a kid is morbidly obese,
oh that's different. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking
about like losing. I mean there's in some way like
to make any decisions. I don't for my own kids
(26:31):
when they were that age. That would be something that
would be that not only life changing, but life altering
if they could never come off of it. Like, it
scares me to do anything or did when my kids
were little that where there would be consequences. I mean,
it's different when you're a parent, right, right, than when
you're an adult taking your own body and life you know,
(26:53):
into your own hands. Right. So you know, we were
both just at Bravo Khan, yes and there are We.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Went to a party in a suite and there was
a ton of food and a ton of housewives when
really nobody ate anything.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I did. I ate the pizza was really good. Really yeah.
But okay, so like you take two bites, you take
two bites and then you're full. How does it want always?
I mean, so I eat a piece and just don't
when it gets to be too much. It's just a
turn off. But my question is, because this was my
first Bravo Con, was that different in terms of your
experience with Bravo Con than it was even last year? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah, yeah, I mean while you do these women generally
like eat a lot at the bravolebrities at parties. I
mean they certainly eat. They definitely were. I mean it's
not like I see them eating all the time. Yes,
I mean the only time that I've ever said anything,
we went out to dinner. I remember there was another
(27:54):
housewife with us, and we were all eating dinner, and
you guys were both It was much earlier on in
your ozembic journey and I was much earlier on in
my recovery journey. And we were sitting there and I
was really the only one eating. The other two of
(28:15):
you were picking. And I really don't say anything to
anyone because everyone's journey, and I sometimes can't stand that word. Sorry,
but everyone's journey is their own. And I was on
my second glass of wine and I just, you know,
was feeling all my feelings, and I said, it's really
horrible to sit here and be the only person eating.
(28:37):
And I felt so bad about myself because I was
having this internal dialogue where I was going, God, you're
the only pig at the table cleaning her plate. You're
the only stop eating. No one else is eating.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Stop.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
You gotta have self control. And then the other part
of my brain is going, well, you're the only person
with a healthy relationship with food right now, and both
parts of them, my brain were fighting with each other.
And I said something to you guys, and the response
was not good. And so I've never.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Said any I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
The other person was very defensive and rightfully so they
didn't want to be questioned about their medical journey. But
it was the last time I've ever questioned anyone. And
so the questions now for you are things that I
genuinely want to know.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Even then, though I can see why you would feel
that way, like I wouldn't feel defensive about that you are,
but it's not my business. My body is my own body,
but it has right of course. But as someone who
is recovering from anorexia be sitting at a table with
a bunch of women who aren't eating, I can't think
of anything more triggering than that. So I don't grudge
(29:46):
that or regrudge you for feeling uncomfortable, and I feel
badly about that. It doesn't mean that I'm I was
going to go off the medication, but I understand where
you're coming from. I mean, I think a lot of
a lot of not even actually thin people are watching
this phenomenon and maybe feeling uncomfortable about it.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah, I mean, I think the other thing that kind
of sits poorly with me is that some people who
while I was sick, while I was really struggling, and
then when I decided to recover, were the biggest champions.
People who said like people who I looked at as
(30:27):
like people who knew how to eat and not feel
overwhelming guilt, people who enjoyed food, who would eat a
little here and then eat a little less, like really
had that balance, have since gone on ozembics.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
So people who I looked at as.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Role models for how I wanted to one day eat
get that have since gone on. And Guys, if you
have never struggled with an eating disorder, and this is
not going to be an eating disorder podcast, it's so
bizarre to try to understand how you can be definitely
afraid of food. I was so afraid of food. It
had so much psychological trauma behind it. Everybody I could
(31:05):
not eat. I would pick things up and put them
down all the time. So I would look at these
women who had really, really great relationships with food and
knew how to just eat and then stop. And they
have since lots of them have since gone on ozembics.
So it makes me question were they Was I the
one who was just like projecting this health onto people
(31:29):
that didn't really have it, or were people so drawn
by the thought of being thin at any cost?
Speaker 2 (31:37):
I mean I was one of those people. Still I
think that I still am who really enjoyed food. I mean,
in the this is not a Housewives podcast, but in
the first season that we filmed together, I was scene
with the Matzorelle you know, was like went viral or
whatever it's called. And I in this past season that
(32:00):
we filmed, I enjoyed food a lot more than I
feel like others did partially, partially maybe even because it
was like an escape, get me out of this insanity
and I'm just going to focus on the barada or whatever.
But but I still do enjoy food a lot. It's
just a different I have some weird mechanism now that
(32:21):
just doesn't want to keep going until I feel sick
and doesn't obsess the way that I used to. So
for me, I don't worry. I'm so grateful right now
to have this the difference in my life and to
it's opened up so much more time for me to
think about other things, and when so much of my
(32:43):
headspace was, you know, consumed with food and weight. So
does your husband have any opinion? Does he like it? So?
Jeff Is at the beginning was definitely more concerned than
I was about the side effects, specifically when I you know,
was impacted. I mean, that was that was probably maybe
(33:04):
six months into taking it. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I can't believe he went a week and a half
without going to the dock. I don't even think about it.
I go two days and I'm like, it's completely ridiculous.
I know, but that's just I'm so worried.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
My head spins about so many things in my life
that really, oh my god, yours, my head is spinning
from a million different things at any given moment. But
that's another episode as well. But anyway, so Jeff was concerned.
Now he's waiting for it to come out in pill
form and why he's going to go. He wants to
go on it when it comes out in pill form.
He's a big baby, and he won't take shock. I
(33:36):
really think that one day everyone's going to be on it.
I really do. I mean I'm not going to be on,
but I don't effected. Did you read that it's affected
the supermarket industry, no, grocery store industry. Yeah, it already has.
It's taken a huge hit.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
So but it also concerns me. Amongst all the other concerns,
it also concerns me what it's going to do to
our culture. I mean, like, is it one day going
to be absolutely unacceptable to be maybe for weight at all?
Speaker 2 (34:06):
I mean that scares me because like, you know, like we.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Have daughters, you know, we might have granddaughters and then
not like very distant future, I mean, we there are
young girls who like go through phases that, you know,
all those hormones hit and puberty and like you gains
you a fair amount of weight, like if it's not
acceptable to be overweight at all. I'm I'm afraid of
(34:32):
like a whole nation or world full of people on drugs.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I can understand that. I see that. I mean, there's
so much to be afraid of right now in terms
of the world and what's coming. You know, I can
stay up all night thinking about AI. I can certainly
stay up all night and do stay up on night
thinking about the war in the Middle East. Yeah, Israel.
So there's lots of stuff that consumes me at any
(34:56):
given moment.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
You know, I think you have a really healthy relationship
with it, which is I don't worry so much about you, really.
I worry more about the drug the use of these
drugs as a whole, and the potential one day. Listen,
I look at it a different way. I happen to
think that a lot of these really glowing studies are
(35:17):
funded by the drug companies themselves. Maybe I have a
very cynical view of it, and I'm also worried about it.
And I also worry about the things that people don't
worry about. Like the muscle loss and the fact that.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
You're are worried about cutting off your humber.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
But the point of this discussion, just just so we
lay this out clearly, was not to judge anybody.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
It was to really understand. I want people to understand
why I fear these drugs and what I hate about them,
and I want people to understand why you're on them
and what you love about them. Yeah, but I will
tell you always say to me, like Jen, I'm not
judging you Jenna much and I never feel judged by you. No, no,
because I want.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
You to make sure because like listen, I need to
respect because along my twenty year of anorexia, where I
really tortured myself whenever anyone would open their mouth to me,
and people usually didn't. But like you couldn't even give
me side eye. You couldn't even tell me I looked
healthy without me throwing a fit. Yeah, I went insane.
So I know what it feels like to have people
(36:17):
comment on what you're doing to your body when you
didn't ask for those comments.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Yet oh I get I get comments constantly. You do
get comments, oh my gosh, positive or both both, but
a lot of negative A lot of well, I get
a lot of your tooth thin, which I never thought
i'd hear. And then there's that's always followed with you know,
when you're gonna get off. The medication doesn't matter like
everything else when you're an adult, if it's I've done
(36:44):
my research, I feel comfortable. This is my body, my choice,
and for me, it's been really, really wonderful.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
I met you a few years ago at an event
that I was at. I was I was really good
event for a dress or success, and you were great,
and we really liked each other. We did not, like
immediately become best.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Oh God, to stop it. You hated me? Oh I
didn't you? No, I didn't well that I liked you.
I liked you show I liked you. But I I
heard you talk at that at that at dress for success,
at that event, and I was like, I wow, I
was so impressed you talk so honestly about your struggles,
(37:37):
and it was I said to you that night, like
to do that in a room filled with women who
have just either you know, come out of you know,
being incarcerated, or women that were trying to get jobs
and they were homeless, and you were able to tell
your story in such a way that was it. I
(37:58):
think it's that was a hard situation to be really
and I didn't think that you explained it, and you
were very honest about listening. This has not been my problem, right,
I haven't been incarcerated and I haven't been homeless. But
here are my struggles, and they've been real, and they've
been real. Oh thank you.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Actually, my point of this conversation is a lot more
shallow than that. I was going to say that, like
you were a really great, nice, like normal woman. I
really liked you, and then fast forward literally six months later,
you were I mean that was November of twenty one.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
No, that's wrong. I wasn't dinner of them because that's no, no, no,
you weren't there that was yet.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
And then all of a sudden you were cast on
the show, right, and then all of a sudden you
had the single greatest facelist I've ever seen in my
life and lost all this right on Ozembic and you
were like a walking filter and famous and like really
like completely different, like the same person inside, this lovable,
(38:52):
amazing person. But like, do you feel like people changed
because of how much you changed to people? Like in
your life. That's a great question. I don't know, Jack,
like you were certain like suddenly went from a normal person.
Like listen, when I was cast on the show, I
drove a Toyota minivan. It was filthy. My kids destroyed it.
(39:15):
They were all little at the time. You know, like,
I'm I'm kind of different but also the same. But like,
do you feel different? You're you look totally different?
Speaker 2 (39:25):
I mean I that does not escape me because everywhere
I go, including like the reunion last year when Andy
was like, Jenfesla, you look different, and I'm like, yeah,
I know, I do. I I know that I look
obviously it's not just my body, but it's I got
a lower face lift, I got a nose job. I
you know, there's been a lot going on. Those are
(39:47):
always things by the way that I planned on doing
it wasn't That wasn't a I'm cast on the Housewives
and now I have to really I've been looking for
someone for years to do my facelift. The truth is
I did it and it worked out because for whatever reason,
you know, timing was perfect for me. I felt like
this is right, and after my first season, but it
(40:09):
was happening regardless, So I was always getting facelift, and
I've been actually looking for doctor for a few years.
What is my point in this? Jack? Yes, I mean
people I do look different, so I guess so, But
what do I like?
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Your lifelong best friends are they certainly know they're just
so complimentary. And and because I think my facelift I
went to doctor Sam Risk, I always have to plug
him because I'm just so grateful. But I think that
it does look natural, so you know, it's I felt
so great about it. I like what I see in
the mirror, and I didn't hate what I saw in
(40:42):
the mirror. Before you know, it's I didn't. I wasn't.
I accept my aging. It doesn't really bother me as
much as maybe it bothers others.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
I almost sort of like it. Again, that's another episode
for a lot of reasons. But I didn't look in
the me and feel hideous. I always felt attractive. I
just feel more attractive. I feel it takes a lot
less time for me to pull it together. You know,
when you're on television and you have to show up
(41:15):
to get filmed, and there's a lot that goes along
with that, especially if you are on the Housewives, right
and you know, getting glammed, and it just it's a
lot less anxiety provoking for me. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
So my first season on the show, I was really
unprepared for all of the social media comments that would
come my way, and I didn't do much. I really didn't.
I still had my extensions, were shorter. I didn't do
a damn thing to my face. I didn't have been
years yet, and I got so many mean comments. Really,
so here's a funny one.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
So the biggest comment that I would get is that
my lips move sideways.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
So and that I have a list. That was my
first year. Every comment was like, we hate you and your.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Lips move sideways and you have a lip.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
So I freaked out, of course, because all of a sudden,
I went from like my you know, four hundred followers
to my like one hundred thousand followers, and I was
hearing repeatedly this shit. So I tried to I went
to a doctor and I said, can you fix my.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Lips and make them move in the same direction?
Speaker 1 (42:24):
And he was like, I'm sorry, Like that's not that's
a muscular thing, Like don't your lips are great?
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Stop it, please go home.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
So I went to a speech therapist, and I said,
please fix my lisp, and of course you signed me
up for ten sessions, and I didn't tell anybody, and
then I was going to out my fourth session.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
I would sit there doing all these stupid I had
these straws that I was like sticking in my mouth
and saying my rs, never once doing it. Oh my god,
I was so paranoid. So on my fourth session, I'm
leaving the house and everone goes, where are you going?
I said, you know what, I'm just going to tell him.
I said, I've been going to a speech therapis.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
He's like, stop right now, stop it right now, Like
you're not doing this shit, do not let it get
to you. It's never going to stop. People are never
going to stop saying mean things because that's what social
media is. You don't need a speech therapist, you don't
have a lisp, just just stop.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
And so I stopped. I didn't go back, and I
did some shit at home. You know, I used to
read these stupid sentiences over and over, but like it
really doesn't sell ll Yeah, And what I learned is
that people are always going to pick you apart, no
matter how perfect you are. So I have experienced that.
I experienced it before plastic surgery and ozempic, and i've
(43:39):
eveneers and I'm I'm experiencing it now. I get a
lot of like you look like a man, which I
think is hilarious. I ever thought that I want to
represent myself by the way as like someone who is
no insecurities. I have a like all of us, right,
but you have a securities.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
But this that kind of stuff, even when before all
of this didn't really get to me, and I don't
I get I don't know what that's about, but like
I almost think it's funny, Like I look at you
and you're so clearly this beautiful woman, and anybody that
says otherwise is I'm sorry, but I think jealous and mean.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
So it doesn't like why would that like, you know, no,
now I.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
Feel more beautiful than ever. But that was a function
of recovery and a lot of therapy. I mean, therapy
I think is the greatest.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
In another episode again, oh yeah, no, there's no living
without therapy.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
I understand why people would be on a zembic just
to put it, I understood on why you would be
so concerned. Yes, I do have my concerns, but you
know what, I think it's just a remains to be seen.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
The kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
I still want to know what in God's name happened
to Sharon Osborne's insights to make her look the way
that she does and not.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Be able to come out of it. But like churs,
so I hope she is okay. Yeah, I do like
her too. Actually she's had some controversy, yes, but who hasn't.
But I mean, you guys, there's like a lot of
really raw stuff that we're gonna be talking about. Yeah,
you know, and I'm so grateful, well to you, Oh,
(45:14):
don't be grul but to have a platform. I always
really like going on podcasts. You haven't been on that many.
I'm not. I mean obviously you've been on so so many.
I have not, But I like to just to just
shoot the shit about stuff that's real.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
Right.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
But the thing is that like you get to suddenly,
like you wake up one day and like you're your
middle aged yeah, and like a lot that goes along
with that. It's different, you know, like different your kids
are grown ups. Like you just walked in, I had
my son standing here, and you're like.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Oh my god, because my boys are fifteen and thirteen,
and her son is twenty three. And I said to Jena,
he was just talking with this like deep.
Speaker 4 (45:55):
Man voice, like his man clothes, and in the middle
of his conversation, should I just turn to Gin? And
I said, is that is that kind of happened to
my boys? When I asked her son, are they still
getting a snuggle with me?
Speaker 2 (46:09):
I'm scared. I am scared. And there's so many things
that this phase of life that are just amazing but different.
It's also for me in so many ways better I am.
And this is I'm being as real as I can
possibly be. I am happier now than I was in
(46:30):
my twenties. I'm happier now too, of course. But you know,
even life are different. It's like good sex is different, the.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
Way you feel about people in your life, the way
your thoughts on like all of that stuffe so much
of it is better though, oh yes it's better, but
it's different. You know, you settle in more less, less
things are exciting the way they used to be. But well,
you are way more of a doer than I am.
I'm a non doer, I'm a lady, I'm a door
(46:58):
and stay know, I twitch, I say to my I
say to my therapist all the time. I'm like, well,
if I wasn't doing this, I'd be twiddling my thumbs.
And she says, I want you to twiddle your thumbs. Yeah,
I want you to twiddle your thumb.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
No, I don't. We'll get into that the episode about
and you get older, you tend to twiddle more.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Well, guys, we are so excited about this new venture
and we're going to be dropping new episodes every other week,
so be sure to download and listen and give us
five stars.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Please, please, please, I get you. We're not begging, we're
not beggars, but I feel like it, and you have
a minute, you know, top the five star button.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
But I am.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
We're both over the moon. We're really excited and we're
going to have some unbelievable, really interesting guests. We both have.
I think we both have like a wishless I'm just
going to put it out there. On our first episode,
my number one is Michael Rappaport just saying, oh, she
loves to saying I dive, I dive from his wife.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Oh my god, Like, like here's another episode, but like,
are you does Jeff get upset when you say that
about Michael Becase. Just another episode, but like I have
a thing for Pete Davidson, but like Evan doesn't really.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
Love when I like shout that out. Jeff cannot get
two shits.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Okay, another time, but guys, you can follow us on
Instagram at two Jersey Jays. And you know the other
thing is that, like we may look like these like
two little friends that come out for a half hour
reunion or like stuff cheese in our mouth, but Jen
and I have had really crazy, wildlives, yeah, that people
(48:28):
don't know about, like certain moments, traumatic things happen that
we've gotten. We've bonded a lot over a lot I
think of past trauma. Yeah, and we're really excited to
bring it all to you guys.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
So okay, so.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
Until next time, follow us on Instagram and thank you
for listening. Download our episodes. Thank you for listening.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
We love you guys, and talk soon, not soon,
Hey everyone. I'm Jackie Goldschneider from the Real Housewives of
New Jersey.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I joined the show in season nine, and I'm Jen Fessler,
also from the Real Housewives of New Jersey, and I
guess I joined in season twelve. Jack I think so yeah, Okay,
keep up? No season thirteen, you joined Sason thirteen would
you be without me?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
And Welcome to our new podcast, To Your Jersey.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
We're so excited to do this, guys. It's Kith. It
escapes you Jay. The Jay stands for Jackie Jennifer maybe Jewish,
maybe Jersey Jersey.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
But you know, this podcast is going to be We're
going to talk about everything, no holds barred. It's going
to be everything like motherhood, health, love.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Things that are going on really in our lives. Jackie,
I'm fifty five, Jackie's forty seven, So there's like an
interesting range here. And you know, in terms of like
both of us being middle age creeping up to old age,
I think a little faster. We're going to.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Dive right in with something that Jen and I have
never spoken about before. You know, if you don't mind
me talking for one second, I will say Jen and
I are very very similar women. We are both middle
aged Jewish women from New Jersey, and we have the
same job and the same circle of friends. But there
is one very big, glaring difference between us.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
So I have been on and I'm not going to
call it. Everybody calls it ozempic, right, that's sort of
been the umbrella name. But I've been on what's called
semigluetide for over a year now and I've lost maybe
twenty two pounds.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
And I am an outspoken advocate for eating disorder recovery
and a very strong opponent of semigluetides. For losing those
last ten pounds, I think it's a very danger trend,
(02:01):
but out of respect for each other in our friendship,
we have never.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Discussed it, unlike I think, I think that our podcast
is not going to be a housewives podcast per se,
but also different in that I think sometimes it Maybe
you all have noticed that housewives tend to escalate situations
that don't have to become so volatile do become volatile,
and Jackie and I have never had that kind of
(02:25):
energy between us. We don't intend on having it between us.
Clearly we're not going to agree on maybe not just
ozempic semi glue type, but a lot of things, and
we're going to really make an effort to talk things
through in an adult way and in a way that's
respectful of both of us and our friendship. Right, So
let's dive in.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
So I think that it's a very dangerous trend to
use ozempic just to lose you know, those last ten
to fifteen pounds. And now I am in my job.
We're on a cast of nine women. Okay, so take
me out of it. There's eight posts stars on this show,
and more than half of them are on ozembic, so I.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Can't verify that, but I know that more than half
of us have definitely lost considerable amount of weight. Well,
there's only one person who lost a lot of weight
that hasn't confirmed that they're on a semba glue tide. Anyway,
I have questions for Jen that I have never asked
her because it's not only personal medical decision that she made,
but also like we don't want to fight with each other,
(03:26):
which we're not going to, but there are things that
I've wanted to know that I have never asked her.
So let me ask you. I'm a hundred by the way,
ask away I've got that is going to be the
beauty of us. Ask me anything, okay, Like, first of all,
aren't you nervous? Like don't you worry?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Like if it was me and I'm a paranoid person
to begin with, but like every ache and painn I
would have been like, uh oh, is that the side
effects that I don't know about? Is that the stuff
that they haven't researched yet, Like don't you get nervous?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
So I am a raging hypochondria, which you know. But
it's very strange because when it comes to things having
to do with my physical appearance, somehow that just goes
out the window. For instance, like I am not afraid
at all of going into surgery for anything cosmetic. I
might be afraid of going into surgery. I haven't really
had any surgeries other than cosmetic, So I'm just being
(04:14):
real with you guys. But no, I'm not afraid of ozebic.
And I will tell you I have had an experience
that was not good where that I'm pretty positive it
was about the semi glue tide, but where I had
to go to the hospital for an impacted bowel. So
let me be like really open about that, and I'm
still not nervous about it.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
No pun intended being really open. Yeah, so what happened
with that? Oh my god?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
So I was started to So one of these side
effects can be constipation, and I was having constipation, and
in true gen festal form, I just did nothing about it.
Didn't really bother me. I was drinking no water, eating
no vegetables because you know, something that happens A new
experience for me is being able to eat what I want,
even when it's not the most healthy choices and still
(05:01):
lose weight. Right, so maybe for the first time in
my life, I'm like losing weight on pizza and bagels
and ice cream. Having said that, I noticed that there
was constipation. I didn't do anything about it. I wasn't
taking MiraLax, right, so you take every morning or any
kind of stool softener. It hadn't gone in a week.
Then it was a week and a half, And are
(05:21):
you kidding? I just didn't I know. So I'm gonna
say two things. Number One, I'm aware that there are
side effects, so I can't take that away from all
what all of this is. But I will also say
that I am to blame for ignoring them and allowing
it to escalate to the point where I became impacted.
So I haven't since and this is going back months
(05:43):
and months ago, so it's not the same. So now
I drink water, I take my relax I am trying
to eat in a more healthy way than I used to,
and I haven't had a problem since.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Okay, what about do you worry about the muscle loss
and have you Do you get checked for that?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yes, so I get checked for that. I probably go
in every month is sometimes six weeks, and I've lost muscle.
So let me say that, and that's dangerous. Well, so
here's the thing with that. Okay, again, I'm like the extreme,
I guess the extreme example because I don't care, like
I don't exercise, and I'm going I shouldn't say that
(06:18):
I just got a personal trainer, because now it is dangerous,
especially at fifty five, when you do lose you know,
so much bone mass and you do lose muscle. And
I know I probably sound so irresponsible, but I haven't
been worried about it. If I had been more worried
about it, I would have done something about it, like,
for instance, lift weights and exercise. So physically, I feel
a lot better in clothes. When I'm not in close,
(06:41):
I look ninety because I have a lot of you know,
I've gone up and down by more than twenty pounds
in my life, by a lot more than twenty pounds.
So there's a lot of skin that exists now when
you lose muscle and fat. But again I have to
take responsibility for that in the sense that you know,
you don't put on muscle when you just lay in
a horizon on your bed eating chips. It doesn't work
(07:02):
like that. So now I have recently hired a personal trainer,
So I think that a lot of this you have
to be proactive about. Am I worried about it? No?
Am I aware of it and a little disappointed in
myself for not addressing it soon or sure?
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Right, So tell me what you think about this. So recently,
Sharon Osborne, there was a story about her, There's been
a bunch of stories about her that she went on
ozempic or a sema gluetae. I use ozembic as an
umbrella term for all of these drugs. And she was
on it for a while, I guess, and she lost
a ton of weight. And she said that she has
(07:36):
since stopped using it, but that she cannot gain any
weight back, and that she's under one hundred pounds and
no matter what she does, she can't gain weight back.
And that just makes me think what must have happened
to her goddamn insides for her body to be malfunctioning
(07:57):
like that right now?
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Right? Doesn't that make you worry? No, it doesn't. Here's
why I was just thinking about this because I have
a friend who's about to go in for a tummy
tuck and she's freaking out because I think it was
Kanye West's mom who died after having a tommy tuck,
Like I don't there's I feel like there's always going
(08:19):
to be someone out there with anything, with any kind
of drug, medicine, operation surgery. Right, there's always that exception
to the rule. My experience so far has been has
been that is not the rule. That what happens what
happened to Sharon Osbourne happens to the majority of people
on this medication. I also feel like this medication has
(08:41):
been around for longer than people realize for people with diabetes,
or people with diabetes, or you don't have diabetes, right right,
I certainly do not. My daughter does actually have type one,
but it's for type they use it for type two diabetes.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Right now, So does your daughter, since your daughter does
have diabetes, does she have any feeling about you using
a drug that created a shortage for people who actually
need it with diabetes.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Well, so, first of all, well, Rachel has type one diabetes,
not to be confused with type two, which is who
the drug has traditionally been prescribed for. So but having
said that, what I know maybe different from what you know.
But I was concerned. I don't want to take drugs
from people that needed that when there was a shortage
for people that there are life saving drugs out there.
(09:26):
So I did my own research into it. And what
was on shortage was not the actual drug itself, right,
But it was with ozembic. Ozmpic is administered in a pen, right,
so it's it was a shortage of those pens that
could administer it. I never used a pen, so I
used semi glue tide and I did it. I do
it manually. It's a little syringe, Okay. So that was
(09:48):
not concern of my daughter's or of mine.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Okay, I want you to know I am not judging
you at I don't feel like these are all just
the questions that I have really wanted to know, and
I have more.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Are you okay I can ask me because I guys.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I mean, I'm sure that a lot of you know
my story. But I suffered from anorexia, like severe anorexia
for almost two decades. So for me, now I'm in
this place where like I can finally eat again and
enjoy food again. To watch people intentionally destroying their hunger,
it just blows my mind because it took me so
(10:22):
long to get back to that place. So I'm in
a very different place than like some people in terms
of like the way that I view how like beautiful
it is to feel hunger and then eat something.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
So let me say this first of all, I Jackie,
you know this, but I was riddled with blimia and
compulsive overeating in my late teens up into my thirties.
Like when I got pregnant for whatever reason, things started
to calm down. But anyway, but I still was a
compulsive overreader, not as much of a bliemic anyway, And
I get what you're saying. So this is how I
(10:55):
feel about it, because I feel like we were just
going over the rules as opposed to like why I'm
even on it. Struggled like you my whole life with
trying to control my weight, and sometimes I was successful,
other times I was not, and sometimes it was dangerous
the way in which I would choose to do that.
For the first time in my life, I have some
(11:16):
freedom around food. It feels to me like this is
how naturally then people must feel right, because it is.
I do get hungry, but it is different experience. There
is a mechanism and this also affects hormones, right, So
there's a mechanism that's happening now in my brain in
(11:37):
terms of insulin where I don't have that battle that
I used to have. It is such a freedom for me,
and I know it must be for people everywhere taking it.
Having said that, I do think about women like yourself
who have struggled for so long to watch this all
of a sudden magic pill come in, and even women
(12:01):
that maybe didn't have eating disorders but have been living
existing on you know, chicken and salad, and it must
be a very strange thing to think there's been so
much deprivation and now you're watching with this magic pill
it's not really like that. Well, I think that we have.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Really different viewpoints on this because to me, and this
is not about you just in general, you look at
it like you have this freedom. I look at it
like you're in a prison forever, like you have got
to be on this forever. You are trapped if God forbid,
they start finding other side effects or your bowel gets
impacted again, or you get nervous that this shit is
(12:39):
passing through your pancreas, like whatever it is, you're stuck
because when you come off that drug, unless you're showeron
Osbourne like, you are probably gaining back all that weight
and then your head.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Is going to be in a hill spin. I totally
hear that, but I am not worried about it, and
I also not worried about going off of it, like
we're extreme opposites in this case. Is that because you
plan to go off of plant right? Yeah, I don't
know what the future holds, but I know that it's
getting approved more and more right for weight loss, and
(13:16):
I've spoken to my doctors who say it's not something
that you have to go off of, and my dose
now is lower than what it was originally. I've actually
gained a little bit of weight back, which I really
sad about. Yeah, okay, how much did you lose total?
And then what did you gain that? Maybe twenty two
pounds total is what you lost? Yeah, oh, and then
what'd you gain back? Gained back? I don't know, five pounds,
(13:38):
so you're only like seventeen pounds lower than you were. Yeah? Really? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Wow, it looks so thin. Yeah, well, something I think
I loved toothing. I mean, I at one point, I
think you look beautiful.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Thank you. I've seen pictures where I looked frail, and
at age fifty five, you know, it's easier to look frail, right,
So I also was sort of getting to the point
where I was punched over all of that. I don't
I'm not looking for that. And by the way, even
like when it comes to my body and what it
looks like and the muscle, the only reason I want
to build muscle is because it's healthy. I I'm getting
(14:11):
to an age where things are going to break right
and become brittle and I can't. I don't want that,
but I'm not. It's not for me anymore about a bikini.
It's not for me anymore about you know, having this
perfect body, I don't care one of the other freedoms
that come along, I guess with getting older.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
So you're on it because you want to eat whatever
you want without aaining late.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
No, it's a lot more than that. It's not a lot,
and it's not like I just want to eat more.
It's a freedom. My whole life, I've been tortured by food,
thinking about it, eating it, not eating it, like it's
this ability. We just had Thanksgiving dinner, right and actually
I was ate a lot, But the days in which
I would just torture myself continue to eat when I
(14:58):
wasn't hungry.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
When you look at the housewives world across all the
different cities there are, and we just saw this at
Bravo Con. I mean we went to Bravo Con and
it was like everywhere I turned someone was so thin
that my eyes were like watering, Like I couldn't believe
some of these women were half the size they were
at last year's Bravo And it makes you wonder if
(15:31):
you didn't have these this very complicated relationship with food
your whole life, why would you put yourself on a
drug that you could never come off of.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
This is so let me tell you this. So when
I got on this drug, you actually were not judgmental.
But there were lots of women in my life who
were okay, and specifically for the most part, they were
women that are thin and that have been thin and
that really work hard to maintain certain level of thinness.
Those women that were judgmental, and my family and some
(16:05):
of my best friends have since gotten on it, which
I think is so interesting. They want to lose the
last five pounds soft. So I will say that I
don't know, I don't they were judgmental of me, and
(16:25):
I'm trying really not to be judgmental of them, but
it's I think it was hard for them to watch
somebody who I don't know did indulge so much more
than they ever did and all of a sudden have this.
I keep saying, magic pill. Maybe that's obnoxious. If it is,
I don't mean, oh I don't. It feels like that's
(16:45):
what it feels like for me. Right, So here here's
one more question. Do you ever worry about the day,
Like do you think about what would happen one day
if they do start finding some side effects with longer
term use that would scary you enough to go off
of it. Do you ever worry about having to make
a choice between your health and gaining back the weight?
(17:07):
You don't, I can't say that I do worry about it.
But I'm on other medications for so long that maybe
people think are unhealthy. I mean, I've been on an
antidepressant for the past up and down different ones actually
for the past thirty years. Maybe how am I fifty
five ish? I mean, I've been on prozac for ages.
(17:28):
Right now, I'm on I'm on an estrogen pellet, which
there's so much controversy around hormone replacement drugs right and
back in the day they were maybe a little different,
But I remember my mom going on estrogen and then
she really worried about breast cancer and went off of it.
(17:48):
But it for me that just even that the pellet
has helped me so much in terms of stopping those
very difficult those very difficult signs not signs of menopause,
but the the you know, from the night sweat to
the hot flashes, to the moods, to the joints, to everything.
So I guess it's a trade off that I right now,
(18:10):
maybe not forever, I feel like it's worth it.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Right, So you were pretty early in the game getting
on it, Yeah, like before a lot of people. So
what was that like, I mean, because you were not
a heavy woman. You weren't this thin, right, but you
weren't heavy. So like, did you know that your doctor
was putting you on it or did he.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Just like put it in? So I think there was
It's funny because I had a reporter asked me about
it and I said something to the effect of like
I had gone on these peptides and then I was
reading about it. I looked up one day semi glue tide.
I was like, wait a second, this is o zembek. Yeah,
it's the same. And I didn't realize it didn't My
doctor didn't do wasn't trying to trick me. I mean,
(18:50):
he was very clear, this is semi glue tide and
this is what it does. But I didn't. I didn't
necessarily like make that that it didn't click for me
that it was the same thing. Didn't bother me that
it was. So you did you know that he was
putting you on a weight loss Yes, a weight loss peptide. Okay,
(19:11):
did you know.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
You did he tell you it was something that you
had to stay on in order to keep the weight off.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
I don't remember, Jack. It was over a year ago,
so I don't remember exactly how we talked about it.
But I think that basically the best scenario is that
you change your eating habits while you're in while you
feel like you have more control. You then train yourself
right to eat less, to eat and the more to
make healthier choices. But training yourself to eat less is
(19:42):
shown in the studies that it doesn't work because when
you go off of it, the studies show, I don't
know from firsthand knowledge, the studies show that your appetite
comes back really strongly, so that you have no control
over that. You really don't.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
You can control how you exercise and the way you eat,
but you're you're really hungry.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah, but I mean I believe that, Yeah, I can
only be honest. Like when and when I was one
of the first. I think probably I'm not I'm a
friend of a housewife, but one of the first. You're
in it in that world who was sort of open
about it, right, I mean, isn't that true? Like, because
I know Andy Cohen asked.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Me one of the very first and then Dolores was
open about it, and Dolores said something. Who said something?
And Dolores is very honest and I love her.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
She said something that hit me.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
It was like she said, well, I'm not going to
show up to reunion and be the fattest person there,
will be the only person there's fat. And I remember thinking, wow,
I'm gaining all this weight while everyone else is losing it.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Is that going to be me?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
And am I going to be the person who's going
to show up and be heavier than everyone else?
Speaker 2 (20:50):
And it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
It was almost like I was so grateful that I
was okay with that possibility, because never before what I
have beene okay with that possibility.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
I was like, okay, if I am my own It's
funny because I look at you now and to me,
you're maybe we shouldn't even I don't want this to
like be triggering.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
No, I thought, I don't get triggered. I don't get triggered. No, no, no,
I'm not so well. I guess it's all relative. I mean,
I was like emaciated for my whole life, and now
I'm like a very I'm still on the thinner side,
but I'm.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Definitely in the normal room. Yeah, No, you don't look,
you don't exact. Yeah, But I will also say, just
because we're talking about like being one of the first
people to talk or to be open about it, and
a lot of people still are not open about it.
I don't have shame around it. No, And you shouldn't. No, No,
maybe you should. Maybe No, nobody should have shame about it.
And I'm not judging.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
I know more than anyone what that that that desire
to be in. I know what that is more than anyone.
And I nearly killed myself and when I don't say
that lightly like I could have had I had just
my body fell hart from anorexia. So I know what
it is. I'm not judging anyone.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
And I also honestly, like got very sick when I
was in the throes of bolimia. But I will tell
you that I don't tend to hide things like this
and the other because I don't even understand why people do,
just like I don't hide anything about you asked me
a plastic surgery I've had. I'm happy to tell you
about each and everyone, and there are a lot of them.
(22:23):
But I also I the other piece of this that
I think that people don't talk about, is that this
medication has helped me, not just with weight loss. And again,
I don't think this has talked about a lot. But
I am. I have an addictive personality and I'm a
heavy drinker. There were days like back back years ago
(22:45):
where I had to like, I was questioning my relationship
with alcohol and I actually checked myself into like an
outpatient program three days a week because I was unsure
of whether or not I could stop drinking and it
was very scary to me. And really, yeah, yeah, that's
a whole other that's different. You know that I was
once addicted to horse racing. I had an OTB account
(23:08):
and I used to tune into the channels and watch OTB.
I don't know if OTB is even still around. I
used to watch the races and call in bets all
day long. Well, you also maybe have an addicted personal
But here's the thing I want to say, and think
I got more and more control over it after I
sort of came to terms the fact that I needed
to look at it, thankfully. But having said that, when
(23:29):
was that when did you come to terms of the
years ago? Nice was never known you to drink like yeah, maybe, Like, well,
it wasn't. I never got so out of control that
they weren't. I never got a dui. I wasn't like
you know, but I was drinking every day. I was
drinking wine that whole what is it called the whole
mommy medicine? Oh yeah, yeah, and and too much. And
(23:53):
my point in all of this is that on semi
glue tide, it's I have an aversion to it and
it's not just drinking. So it's now being I've seen
this all over the news. I don't know if you have,
but it's very helpful with addiction, period. Right, So all
of a sudden, I'm in a place where it's just
(24:14):
not that appealing to me. I still drink, like if
we're out, you know that we're out. I drink, and
there are times I drink more. Yeah, but it's not
it's not what it was. And I love that, all right.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
So let me ask you another question, because this is
you know a lot of things about using semaglue tide
just for weight loss horrify me because I think that
you're setting yourself up for a life long use of
the drug where there are not long term studies on
people without diabetes, and there are very like very important,
(24:47):
like very bad side effects that can happen.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
But you're an adult, okay, sometimes.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
And if you choose that path instead of you know,
dietitians and trainers like I've chose right, okay, but you're
an adult.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
You're an adult woman.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
So if you choose to lose weight with a semaglue
tite instead of other paths, that's one thing. Right now,
the FDA is about to approve this for children.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
I know a couple kids on it.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Well, they're technically not supposed to be honest it yet
I don't think because.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
It's they were by their endocrinot wait, I should actually
do the caveat their endocrinologists prescribed it because in a
few cases, like they were either pre diabetic. Okay, that's
a different story, right. I would have been the first
kid on it had this drug been around when I
(25:39):
was a kid, because my eating disorder started when I
was thirteen, so I not anorexia, but like my very
bad relationship with food started at thirteen, and then my
first really bad diet was at seventeen.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
I would have been on this stuff in a heartbeat,
and then I never would have been able to come off.
So my question is, how do you feel about parents
letting their kids get on this drug just for weight loss?
Not three diabetes, nothing like that, just weight loss.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I can't I'm not even going to comment on it
because I don't want to even put my what is
the expression I have in the ring, like I have
no business, I don't know and I don't even want
to comment on it. If a kid is morbidly obese,
oh that's different. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking
about like losing. I mean there's in some way like
to make any decisions. I don't for my own kids
(26:31):
when they were that age. That would be something that
would be that not only life changing, but life altering
if they could never come off of it. Like, it
scares me to do anything or did when my kids
were little that where there would be consequences. I mean,
it's different when you're a parent, right, right, than when
you're an adult taking your own body and life you know,
(26:53):
into your own hands. Right. So you know, we were
both just at Bravo Khan, yes and there are We.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Went to a party in a suite and there was
a ton of food and a ton of housewives when
really nobody ate anything.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I did. I ate the pizza was really good. Really yeah.
But okay, so like you take two bites, you take
two bites and then you're full. How does it want always?
I mean, so I eat a piece and just don't
when it gets to be too much. It's just a
turn off. But my question is, because this was my
first Bravo Con, was that different in terms of your
experience with Bravo Con than it was even last year? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah, yeah, I mean while you do these women generally
like eat a lot at the bravolebrities at parties. I
mean they certainly eat. They definitely were. I mean it's
not like I see them eating all the time. Yes,
I mean the only time that I've ever said anything,
we went out to dinner. I remember there was another
(27:54):
housewife with us, and we were all eating dinner, and
you guys were both It was much earlier on in
your ozembic journey and I was much earlier on in
my recovery journey. And we were sitting there and I
was really the only one eating. The other two of
(28:15):
you were picking. And I really don't say anything to
anyone because everyone's journey, and I sometimes can't stand that word. Sorry,
but everyone's journey is their own. And I was on
my second glass of wine and I just, you know,
was feeling all my feelings, and I said, it's really
horrible to sit here and be the only person eating.
(28:37):
And I felt so bad about myself because I was
having this internal dialogue where I was going, God, you're
the only pig at the table cleaning her plate. You're
the only stop eating. No one else is eating.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Stop.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
You gotta have self control. And then the other part
of my brain is going, well, you're the only person
with a healthy relationship with food right now, and both
parts of them, my brain were fighting with each other.
And I said something to you guys, and the response
was not good. And so I've never.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Said any I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
The other person was very defensive and rightfully so they
didn't want to be questioned about their medical journey. But
it was the last time I've ever questioned anyone. And
so the questions now for you are things that I
genuinely want to know.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Even then, though I can see why you would feel
that way, like I wouldn't feel defensive about that you are,
but it's not my business. My body is my own body,
but it has right of course. But as someone who
is recovering from anorexia be sitting at a table with
a bunch of women who aren't eating, I can't think
of anything more triggering than that. So I don't grudge
(29:46):
that or regrudge you for feeling uncomfortable, and I feel
badly about that. It doesn't mean that I'm I was
going to go off the medication, but I understand where
you're coming from. I mean, I think a lot of
a lot of not even actually thin people are watching
this phenomenon and maybe feeling uncomfortable about it.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah, I mean, I think the other thing that kind
of sits poorly with me is that some people who
while I was sick, while I was really struggling, and
then when I decided to recover, were the biggest champions.
People who said like people who I looked at as
(30:27):
like people who knew how to eat and not feel
overwhelming guilt, people who enjoyed food, who would eat a
little here and then eat a little less, like really
had that balance, have since gone on ozembics.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
So people who I looked at as.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Role models for how I wanted to one day eat
get that have since gone on. And Guys, if you
have never struggled with an eating disorder, and this is
not going to be an eating disorder podcast, it's so
bizarre to try to understand how you can be definitely
afraid of food. I was so afraid of food. It
had so much psychological trauma behind it. Everybody I could
(31:05):
not eat. I would pick things up and put them
down all the time. So I would look at these
women who had really, really great relationships with food and
knew how to just eat and then stop. And they
have since lots of them have since gone on ozembics.
So it makes me question were they Was I the
one who was just like projecting this health onto people
(31:29):
that didn't really have it, or were people so drawn
by the thought of being thin at any cost?
Speaker 2 (31:37):
I mean I was one of those people. Still I
think that I still am who really enjoyed food. I mean,
in the this is not a Housewives podcast, but in
the first season that we filmed together, I was scene
with the Matzorelle you know, was like went viral or
whatever it's called. And I in this past season that
(32:00):
we filmed, I enjoyed food a lot more than I
feel like others did partially, partially maybe even because it
was like an escape, get me out of this insanity
and I'm just going to focus on the barada or whatever.
But but I still do enjoy food a lot. It's
just a different I have some weird mechanism now that
(32:21):
just doesn't want to keep going until I feel sick
and doesn't obsess the way that I used to. So
for me, I don't worry. I'm so grateful right now
to have this the difference in my life and to
it's opened up so much more time for me to
think about other things, and when so much of my
(32:43):
headspace was, you know, consumed with food and weight. So
does your husband have any opinion? Does he like it? So?
Jeff Is at the beginning was definitely more concerned than
I was about the side effects, specifically when I you know,
was impacted. I mean, that was that was probably maybe
(33:04):
six months into taking it. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I can't believe he went a week and a half
without going to the dock. I don't even think about it.
I go two days and I'm like, it's completely ridiculous.
I know, but that's just I'm so worried.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
My head spins about so many things in my life
that really, oh my god, yours, my head is spinning
from a million different things at any given moment. But
that's another episode as well. But anyway, so Jeff was concerned.
Now he's waiting for it to come out in pill
form and why he's going to go. He wants to
go on it when it comes out in pill form.
He's a big baby, and he won't take shock. I
(33:36):
really think that one day everyone's going to be on it.
I really do. I mean I'm not going to be on,
but I don't effected. Did you read that it's affected
the supermarket industry, no, grocery store industry. Yeah, it already has.
It's taken a huge hit.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
So but it also concerns me. Amongst all the other concerns,
it also concerns me what it's going to do to
our culture. I mean, like, is it one day going
to be absolutely unacceptable to be maybe for weight at all?
Speaker 2 (34:06):
I mean that scares me because like, you know, like we.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Have daughters, you know, we might have granddaughters and then
not like very distant future, I mean, we there are
young girls who like go through phases that, you know,
all those hormones hit and puberty and like you gains
you a fair amount of weight, like if it's not
acceptable to be overweight at all. I'm I'm afraid of
(34:32):
like a whole nation or world full of people on drugs.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I can understand that. I see that. I mean, there's
so much to be afraid of right now in terms
of the world and what's coming. You know, I can
stay up all night thinking about AI. I can certainly
stay up all night and do stay up on night
thinking about the war in the Middle East. Yeah, Israel.
So there's lots of stuff that consumes me at any
(34:56):
given moment.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
You know, I think you have a really healthy relationship
with it, which is I don't worry so much about you, really.
I worry more about the drug the use of these
drugs as a whole, and the potential one day. Listen,
I look at it a different way. I happen to
think that a lot of these really glowing studies are
(35:17):
funded by the drug companies themselves. Maybe I have a
very cynical view of it, and I'm also worried about it.
And I also worry about the things that people don't
worry about. Like the muscle loss and the fact that.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
You're are worried about cutting off your humber.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
But the point of this discussion, just just so we
lay this out clearly, was not to judge anybody.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
It was to really understand. I want people to understand
why I fear these drugs and what I hate about them,
and I want people to understand why you're on them
and what you love about them. Yeah, but I will
tell you always say to me, like Jen, I'm not
judging you Jenna much and I never feel judged by you. No, no,
because I want.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
You to make sure because like listen, I need to
respect because along my twenty year of anorexia, where I
really tortured myself whenever anyone would open their mouth to me,
and people usually didn't. But like you couldn't even give
me side eye. You couldn't even tell me I looked
healthy without me throwing a fit. Yeah, I went insane.
So I know what it feels like to have people
(36:17):
comment on what you're doing to your body when you
didn't ask for those comments.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Yet oh I get I get comments constantly. You do
get comments, oh my gosh, positive or both both, but
a lot of negative A lot of well, I get
a lot of your tooth thin, which I never thought
i'd hear. And then there's that's always followed with you know,
when you're gonna get off. The medication doesn't matter like
everything else when you're an adult, if it's I've done
(36:44):
my research, I feel comfortable. This is my body, my choice,
and for me, it's been really, really wonderful.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
I met you a few years ago at an event
that I was at. I was I was really good
event for a dress or success, and you were great,
and we really liked each other. We did not, like
immediately become best.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Oh God, to stop it. You hated me? Oh I
didn't you? No, I didn't well that I liked you.
I liked you show I liked you. But I I
heard you talk at that at that at dress for success,
at that event, and I was like, I wow, I
was so impressed you talk so honestly about your struggles,
(37:37):
and it was I said to you that night, like
to do that in a room filled with women who
have just either you know, come out of you know,
being incarcerated, or women that were trying to get jobs
and they were homeless, and you were able to tell
your story in such a way that was it. I
(37:58):
think it's that was a hard situation to be really
and I didn't think that you explained it, and you
were very honest about listening. This has not been my problem, right,
I haven't been incarcerated and I haven't been homeless. But
here are my struggles, and they've been real, and they've
been real. Oh thank you.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Actually, my point of this conversation is a lot more
shallow than that. I was going to say that, like
you were a really great, nice, like normal woman. I
really liked you, and then fast forward literally six months later,
you were I mean that was November of twenty one.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
No, that's wrong. I wasn't dinner of them because that's no, no, no,
you weren't there that was yet.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
And then all of a sudden you were cast on
the show, right, and then all of a sudden you
had the single greatest facelist I've ever seen in my
life and lost all this right on Ozembic and you
were like a walking filter and famous and like really
like completely different, like the same person inside, this lovable,
(38:52):
amazing person. But like, do you feel like people changed
because of how much you changed to people? Like in
your life. That's a great question. I don't know, Jack,
like you were certain like suddenly went from a normal person.
Like listen, when I was cast on the show, I
drove a Toyota minivan. It was filthy. My kids destroyed it.
(39:15):
They were all little at the time. You know, like,
I'm I'm kind of different but also the same. But like,
do you feel different? You're you look totally different?
Speaker 2 (39:25):
I mean I that does not escape me because everywhere
I go, including like the reunion last year when Andy
was like, Jenfesla, you look different, and I'm like, yeah,
I know, I do. I I know that I look
obviously it's not just my body, but it's I got
a lower face lift, I got a nose job. I
you know, there's been a lot going on. Those are
(39:47):
always things by the way that I planned on doing
it wasn't That wasn't a I'm cast on the Housewives
and now I have to really I've been looking for
someone for years to do my facelift. The truth is
I did it and it worked out because for whatever reason,
you know, timing was perfect for me. I felt like
this is right, and after my first season, but it
(40:09):
was happening regardless, So I was always getting facelift, and
I've been actually looking for doctor for a few years.
What is my point in this? Jack? Yes, I mean
people I do look different, so I guess so, But
what do I like?
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Your lifelong best friends are they certainly know they're just
so complimentary. And and because I think my facelift I
went to doctor Sam Risk, I always have to plug
him because I'm just so grateful. But I think that
it does look natural, so you know, it's I felt
so great about it. I like what I see in
the mirror, and I didn't hate what I saw in
(40:42):
the mirror. Before you know, it's I didn't. I wasn't.
I accept my aging. It doesn't really bother me as
much as maybe it bothers others.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
I almost sort of like it. Again, that's another episode
for a lot of reasons. But I didn't look in
the me and feel hideous. I always felt attractive. I
just feel more attractive. I feel it takes a lot
less time for me to pull it together. You know,
when you're on television and you have to show up
(41:15):
to get filmed, and there's a lot that goes along
with that, especially if you are on the Housewives, right
and you know, getting glammed, and it just it's a
lot less anxiety provoking for me. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
So my first season on the show, I was really
unprepared for all of the social media comments that would
come my way, and I didn't do much. I really didn't.
I still had my extensions, were shorter. I didn't do
a damn thing to my face. I didn't have been
years yet, and I got so many mean comments. Really,
so here's a funny one.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
So the biggest comment that I would get is that
my lips move sideways.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
So and that I have a list. That was my
first year. Every comment was like, we hate you and your.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Lips move sideways and you have a lip.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
So I freaked out, of course, because all of a sudden,
I went from like my you know, four hundred followers
to my like one hundred thousand followers, and I was
hearing repeatedly this shit. So I tried to I went
to a doctor and I said, can you fix my.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Lips and make them move in the same direction?
Speaker 1 (42:24):
And he was like, I'm sorry, Like that's not that's
a muscular thing, Like don't your lips are great?
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Stop it, please go home.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
So I went to a speech therapist, and I said,
please fix my lisp, and of course you signed me
up for ten sessions, and I didn't tell anybody, and
then I was going to out my fourth session.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
I would sit there doing all these stupid I had
these straws that I was like sticking in my mouth
and saying my rs, never once doing it. Oh my god,
I was so paranoid. So on my fourth session, I'm
leaving the house and everone goes, where are you going?
I said, you know what, I'm just going to tell him.
I said, I've been going to a speech therapis.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
He's like, stop right now, stop it right now, Like
you're not doing this shit, do not let it get
to you. It's never going to stop. People are never
going to stop saying mean things because that's what social
media is. You don't need a speech therapist, you don't
have a lisp, just just stop.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
And so I stopped. I didn't go back, and I
did some shit at home. You know, I used to
read these stupid sentiences over and over, but like it
really doesn't sell ll Yeah, And what I learned is
that people are always going to pick you apart, no
matter how perfect you are. So I have experienced that.
I experienced it before plastic surgery and ozempic, and i've
(43:39):
eveneers and I'm I'm experiencing it now. I get a
lot of like you look like a man, which I
think is hilarious. I ever thought that I want to
represent myself by the way as like someone who is
no insecurities. I have a like all of us, right,
but you have a securities.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
But this that kind of stuff, even when before all
of this didn't really get to me, and I don't
I get I don't know what that's about, but like
I almost think it's funny, Like I look at you
and you're so clearly this beautiful woman, and anybody that
says otherwise is I'm sorry, but I think jealous and mean.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
So it doesn't like why would that like, you know, no,
now I.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
Feel more beautiful than ever. But that was a function
of recovery and a lot of therapy. I mean, therapy
I think is the greatest.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
In another episode again, oh yeah, no, there's no living
without therapy.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
I understand why people would be on a zembic just
to put it, I understood on why you would be
so concerned. Yes, I do have my concerns, but you
know what, I think it's just a remains to be seen.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
The kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
I still want to know what in God's name happened
to Sharon Osborne's insights to make her look the way
that she does and not.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Be able to come out of it. But like churs,
so I hope she is okay. Yeah, I do like
her too. Actually she's had some controversy, yes, but who hasn't.
But I mean, you guys, there's like a lot of
really raw stuff that we're gonna be talking about. Yeah,
you know, and I'm so grateful, well to you, Oh,
(45:14):
don't be grul but to have a platform. I always
really like going on podcasts. You haven't been on that many.
I'm not. I mean obviously you've been on so so many.
I have not, But I like to just to just
shoot the shit about stuff that's real.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
Right.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
But the thing is that like you get to suddenly,
like you wake up one day and like you're your
middle aged yeah, and like a lot that goes along
with that. It's different, you know, like different your kids
are grown ups. Like you just walked in, I had
my son standing here, and you're like.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Oh my god, because my boys are fifteen and thirteen,
and her son is twenty three. And I said to Jena,
he was just talking with this like deep.
Speaker 4 (45:55):
Man voice, like his man clothes, and in the middle
of his conversation, should I just turn to Gin? And
I said, is that is that kind of happened to
my boys? When I asked her son, are they still
getting a snuggle with me?
Speaker 2 (46:09):
I'm scared. I am scared. And there's so many things
that this phase of life that are just amazing but different.
It's also for me in so many ways better I am.
And this is I'm being as real as I can
possibly be. I am happier now than I was in
(46:30):
my twenties. I'm happier now too, of course. But you know,
even life are different. It's like good sex is different, the.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
Way you feel about people in your life, the way
your thoughts on like all of that stuffe so much
of it is better though, oh yes it's better, but
it's different. You know, you settle in more less, less
things are exciting the way they used to be. But well,
you are way more of a doer than I am.
I'm a non doer, I'm a lady, I'm a door
(46:58):
and stay know, I twitch, I say to my I
say to my therapist all the time. I'm like, well,
if I wasn't doing this, I'd be twiddling my thumbs.
And she says, I want you to twiddle your thumbs. Yeah,
I want you to twiddle your thumb.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
No, I don't. We'll get into that the episode about
and you get older, you tend to twiddle more.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Well, guys, we are so excited about this new venture
and we're going to be dropping new episodes every other week,
so be sure to download and listen and give us
five stars.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Please, please, please, I get you. We're not begging, we're
not beggars, but I feel like it, and you have
a minute, you know, top the five star button.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
But I am.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
We're both over the moon. We're really excited and we're
going to have some unbelievable, really interesting guests. We both have.
I think we both have like a wishless I'm just
going to put it out there. On our first episode,
my number one is Michael Rappaport just saying, oh, she
loves to saying I dive, I dive from his wife.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Oh my god, Like, like here's another episode, but like,
are you does Jeff get upset when you say that
about Michael Becase. Just another episode, but like I have
a thing for Pete Davidson, but like Evan doesn't really.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
Love when I like shout that out. Jeff cannot get
two shits.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Okay, another time, but guys, you can follow us on
Instagram at two Jersey Jays. And you know the other
thing is that, like we may look like these like
two little friends that come out for a half hour
reunion or like stuff cheese in our mouth, but Jen
and I have had really crazy, wildlives, yeah, that people
(48:28):
don't know about, like certain moments, traumatic things happen that
we've gotten. We've bonded a lot over a lot I
think of past trauma. Yeah, and we're really excited to
bring it all to you guys.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
So okay, so.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
Until next time, follow us on Instagram and thank you
for listening. Download our episodes. Thank you for listening.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
We love you guys, and talk soon, not soon,
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