October 23, 2025 • 60 mins
Dolores struggles watching housewives like Heather Gay succeed in new ventures... She just wants RHONJ to return!
Meanwhile, Tamra jokes that it’s ironic when housewives throw around the word “bully,” since that’s practically what they all do to each other!
Plus, find out why they think being street smart makes you a better Housewife.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Two Teas in a Pod with Teddy Mellencamp and Camera Judge.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hi, guys, welcome to another episode of Two Teas and
Abroad with myself, Tamra Judge, and Dolores Catanya. Hi, Dolores,
you look revved up today.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I am so revved up because you know I watched
the episodes before we come on.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yes, Oh, so you just watched it.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Okay, I just watched it.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I watched it last night.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
A little while ago. I watched it. But I'm not
I'm not okay.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I'm not okay either. And we'll get into that. But
first we have some headlines that actually include some of
the Salt Lake Girls. One is Heather Gay. Heather Gay
has a new show come out, a Secret, The Real
Secret Lives of Mormons. This kind of scares me for her,
(01:00):
like if she's exposing. So it's a three three episode series.
It's gonna air on Bravo The Real Houses of Salt
Lake City. Heather Gay is diving deeper into her Mormon
roots with a new limited series Bravo And now to
the three part series Surviving Mormonism with Heather Gay, giving
(01:22):
fans a first look at Gay's journey to uncovering the
darker side of the Church of Jesus Christ and Latter
day Saints. I just feel like sometimes these churches like you,
like you remember, I mean, it's still around its scientology,
and then you had Leah. Was it remedy remedy or
whatever the lesson she uncovered? Like, I just feel like,
(01:43):
is her safety? Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I don't know. A lot of these people and their
difference with their religions that they were raised with have
been coming out more and more, and they're very rebellious.
And I can't imagine that the people that run these churches.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Are very happy. Okay, Now.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I don't think she I don't. I don't think they
seem to. I don't know much about their religion, do you.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
No, I don't know. I actually grew up with a
friend Kim Webb. She lived past three from me. Were
friends for years and years, and I used to go
She was Mormon, and I used to go to church
with her once in a while. So that's the only
thing I know. But I was so young. But Heather
is seen sitting down with former members of the LDS Church,
(02:35):
including a man who tells her, I spent my life
being someone I wasn't. Another woman revealed my earliest memories
are of abuse. So they're uncovering abuse and things like
that that's happened. I'm assuming from you know what we've
heard in the and the headlines have come out, it's
three parts, like I said, Premiere's November eleventh on Bravo. Yeah,
(03:00):
so she's going to expose the secrets that have been
kept behind closed doors. I thought that's what her book
was about.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
No, the other one.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
She has a couple of books, has a couple of books.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Listen, cheats a lot.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
I'm just saying, she does. She does, she they.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
They do. She gets, she gets a lot, and I'm
happy for her about that, of course, you know, but listen,
it's getting harder. We haven't been on it a long
time now. Camera and all the shows are really doing.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Well, and.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
When we do come back, it's not going to be
easy to catch up. I'm just saying, I think I'm right.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Well, I don't know. I think that. No, I think that,
you know, the originals are going to bring it. I
think that time Away is going to show where certain
people have if they're even returning, I don't know. We
don't know who the cast is, yet we don't. I
think what would be hard for you is to return
to a cast where most of them are new and
(04:07):
you don't want to know much about them, because you
face it like it takes years to get to know someone.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
It does, and to establish relationships and history. And even
the drama Salt Lake City was on the balls of
their ass. They were not doing well and they made
a good turnaround because of the build up of the
things that started to happen. You know, you establish relationships
(04:35):
right and then and then all this stuff happens. And
then Monica came on.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I miss Monica. I miss her.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
She was a good housewife.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
She's not say she's a good housewife. She did something
way prior to even being on Housewives, and she got
you know, reamed for it. And I think it was
a situation. I'm just speculating, but I think it's a
situation kind of like Katie. The cast was the one
that didn't work right. Yeah, And I sometimes I think like,
(05:05):
this is an ensemble cast. Fucking deal with it and
if it doesn't work out and next season, then get
rid of them.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Well they're lucky they got rid of somebody who brought
it and they still survived and did even they did
really well they're doing. This is a great season, I
have to say. And there's a lot going on and
a lot to unpack, which.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
There's a certain Yeah, there's a certain something that's going
on that I don't like. And I actually woke up
at three o'clock in the morning, like heated about it.
And we'll talk about it in a minute. We have
a few more headlines now, Real Housewives of Atlanta, Kelly
Ferrell's ex. We've talked about this before. He is suing
(05:49):
Bravo for defamation over abuse allegations, and he wants two
hundred million dollars according to TMZ.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Sorryuous whatever. You could try to fight NBC, but I
don't think he's gonna.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Well, I don't know about this Mark Klain, because Mark
claims Kelly spread lies on the show in a fabricated
storyline on the show that he abused. Kelly didn't pay
back the money. Now, unless there's the receipts or he
signed a contract with the network, it's going to be
(06:25):
a tough one. Well, he's got a case. He says
that he and Kelly jointly applied for a four hundred
and twenty thousand dollars alone back in twenty twenty two
to build out a restaurant called Nana's Chicken and Waffles.
He says Kelly spent a bunch of the loan money
on her birthday and any and other unauthorized expenses, then
(06:48):
fabricated a story that he stole the money from her.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
So four hundred and twenty thousand dollars is not easy
to spend.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
On a birthday.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Okay, No, he said she runs a yacht. I mean,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
But he says he repaid the loan, but she still
pressing forward with the false claims that he stole the money.
According to Mark, cast members talked about him on the show,
saying he's a criminal, an abuser, and a fraud.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Well, she has a restraining order, she has a bodyguard,
she has a lot of things. We all know there's
two sides to every story.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
But Mark claims the show producers continue to broadcast the
allegations despite knowing they were false. He says, I doubt
that any producer is going to broadcast anything knowing it's false.
So in order for.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Them, what do you think about that?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Well, I would think that these type of allegations are
slander if they're not true.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Add slander, says.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
He says he has damaged his personal and professional reputation
at the tune of one hundred million dollars. One hundred
that's I mean, it's a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
He also wants to start with these numbers, get the
fuck out of my face.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
I mean, theseumers are crazy. He also wants the court
to dole out the additional one hundred million in punitive
damage to Spin to send a message to the network,
bringing a total to a whopping two hundred million dollars.
Is what Kelly's ex wants.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Kelly zachs, please stop playing with yourself. Okay, that's okay.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
What kelly'sax was never on the show, right, He never
signed as, never signed a release.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Never on the show. And she must have full custody
for her to have had the kids on the show
the show.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
That's that was going to be my next question, because
Kelly hires co star Phedra to repent her in court.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
These girls are spending so much money on attorneys Phaedra.
I would hire Faedra to represent me for anything. I
know she's a very good attorney. But what is her specialty?
Is her specialty divorced family law?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
I personally would probably not. I think it's a conflict
of interest. I think that I would go for attorney
that specializes just in this. I thought Pedra was.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Entertainment attorney, So I don't know if Fedra is family
law and knowing the network the way that she does,
then listen.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Who knows Cherre's X represented himself.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
They're going on to season seventeen. That was a long
long time ago, so listen. I hope she gets better result.
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Speaker 2 (11:07):
Well. Kelly filing an emergency petition after her ex husband
allegedly interfered with their kids filming. Kelly said she was
granted the authority to make decisions related to the kids' education,
certain healthcare, religious upbringing and so. But that's different than filming.
(11:28):
That's different than filming.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Now.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
It's been my experience that both parents have to sign
in order for the kids to film. Now, there might
be a loophole that he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Have if he had does not have zeroal custody, but yeah,
she has to have full custody. If he has joint custody,
whether he sees them or not. Legally, if he has
joint custody, he has to sign office to sign.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
In her lines.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Problem. Yeah, but I think production would have done their
homework on that, because that's producing.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
One oh one.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
And I know a lot of girls who didn't get
this job because their husbands wouldn't sign off on their
kids and they were going through divorce.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yes, so I was pretty fortunate. I started the show
with my ex my kids were on the show, but
as soon as we got divorced, he would no longer
allow the kids to film. But they kept me anyways.
But you know, I even asked, like, could you film
them from behind? Can you not show their face? And
(12:35):
they're said, no, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
They are. They are very strict with that.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah, and her finally Kelly said she was allowed their
children to film. Mark has objected, created confusion and prompting
the network to demand judicial clarification before continuing to film
with the children.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
So here's the thing. He wasn't there. He didn't visit
the kids.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
From what we saw, from what we know, yeah, from
what we know.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
So I think there's a lot of unanswered questions and
without those, we can't really make an assumption of what's
really happening here.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
You don't know, And now she's claiming as a mother
and met children or a significant portion of my storyline.
As such, I consented to their participation on the Real
Housewives of Atlanta Season seventeen, Kelly cleaned. Bravo and NBC
asked for the court to order that Kelly is allowed
to film before they continue with the kids being part
(13:37):
of the show.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
That means if they had to go ask the court
to order, then she didn't have permission.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
That's a Hardea, that's a problem.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yeah, you're not getting that's a big problem.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
So Faedri Parks has been hired to help, So I
don't know if Pager is her main attorney or if
she You know, sometimes people hire a few attorneys.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
So anytime the attorneys involved, you're getting hosed, not hosed,
you're getting host It's going to cost money.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
You're getting hosed, trust me money. Yeah, I hired a
firm once. I had to pay the main attorney. I
had to pay the assistant attorney. I had to pay
the guy that's training to be attorney. I had to
pay the paralegal. Did you just support everyone's And I'm.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Like, okay, so these these attorneys literally the sugar daddy
for the firm.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, like these big attorneys like it adds up?
Speaker 3 (14:37):
It really does at all?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
A question a paper?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Oh god, yeah, just trying to figure it out, guys. Yep.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Well, let's get into Salt Lake City. This is episode
six already. Now. It starts out with Heather and Angie facetiming.
Angie thinks she has wasted time with Lisa and acted wrong.
Heather appreciates that Angie is taking accountability. The word bullied
has been brought up multiple times.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Who's bullying?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Who got you?
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Everyone seems to be holding their own.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Do you think Lisa has bullied? Angie and the other
ladies bullied? No one takes her shit, speaking your mind
and saying things, and maybe Lisa says things like much
like me, go suck a dick, fuck yourself.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Maybe you have the word you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
You know, I have a feeling.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Todd doesn't know that he's been dubbed geutic. I'm just
gonna throw it out there.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Well, wait till he finds out, Wait till he finds out.
Well he knows.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Now.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I just think that using the word bully on Housewives
is so comical. It's I mean, it's almost ridiculous, because
I feel like the show is about bullying. That's about
That's what I'm saying, Like women bullying each other, bring
it up. Shit, nobody wants to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
It's like really wrong because I take bullying very seriously
in my life. I had a sister who was bullied.
I went to school. I went to school during very
nasty times before bullying was an actual breaking the law,
like you got in trouble for teachers got involved. We
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grew up during very very hard times back in the
seventies and the eighties. And you know, this isn't my
idea of bullying. Guy, stop it. Stop using that word.
There are kids that come home from school every day
that are bullying.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
My daughter was bullied. She was bullied bad. And my
daughter went through a very traumatic experience in middle school.
And then she got involved with a group of girls
that just were bullies, and they bullied her and made
fun of her, and and she'd come home crying and
some days she'd sit by herself, and you know, it
(17:08):
was just set girls.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
That's not our idea of bullying. Okay, that's all I'm
gonna say. Let's say somebody's mean spirited. Yeah, somebody's a
fucking bitch. Yeah, somebody's that. So after that, as far
as to say bully, you're in a small group of
women where yeah, sometimes they gang up on each other,
but they're not trying to break you down. I don't
(17:33):
feel like I don't think it's that extreme. I think
it's I think we need to find a different word.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, for sure. I mean for kids, you know, it's
a little different. Like Sophia at that point, she isolated
herself and she would get phone calls when all these
girls were having parties and call her at like midnight
and go, oh, so sorry, you're not invited, you know
what I mean. Like, to me, that's like childhood bullying
and things like that. When you're in alt and you're
(18:01):
on a reality show that it is all about arguing,
it's not bullying. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Listen.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Maybe that's their perception of it, that's what they want
to call it, but it's not. I'm sorry. I'm not
going to go with bullying. And you know what, you're
grown adult and you can handle yourself. I don't see
one person here that does not.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Do it. Bullying's a strong word, yes, fair enough, yes,
Bronwin tells Todd that Lisa is threatening and hard to handle.
Todd doesn't react to Yeah, that's fine, okay, true, but
he's not reacting to this story about the psychic and
she gets emotional because she feels she's misunderstood by him.
(18:47):
And every time, I mean.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
If this guy has ever been what he is anything?
Speaker 2 (18:53):
No, every time Todd appears on TV, my butthole clinches.
This guy is in timid day and scary.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
I hate it. Yes he is.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
You know what this has pissed me off? It may
it's because I have an amazing husband. I have the
sweetheart of a husband. I hate that Bronwyn had to
open the door and hold it open for Todd at
the ice cream store. That bugged me so bad.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
When Bronwyn speaks to him, she speaks to him in
the same demeanor of when she speaks to her mom.
Her shoulders go down, her head goes down, she looks up,
and she looks like she's in pain. Now, bron when
I I don't know, I feel like there's a lot
(19:42):
going on. Bron Went's so well spoken. I really like
bron when She's grown on me, by the way, and
I feel bad for her because I feel bad for her.
It's a lot of I feel so much hurt in
her when she talks, and but yet when she's out
of the environ and she steps out of that in
(20:03):
front of her mother, or she's in front of Todd,
and she's in front of those girls, let me fucking
tell you something. She is not frazzled. She doesn't strike
me as a woman that's been so affected by someone
who acts like that, the way her husband acts towards her.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I'm confused by her.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
I like her, but I'm almost confused. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I think that she is drawn to people like her husband,
like her mom. Her mom and her husband are very,
very harsh on her.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
But people like that are usually timid Tamron, She's not
timid like that away from them.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I was like clapping when she finally said to Todd,
can you suspend your bullshit?
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Meeter? Oh yeah. Paul actually was watching that with me, and.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
I'm like, thank you, Bronwin, I mean, and Alici said
he was sorry, but he still ate her cherry after
she went on and on about it's the best part
of her ice cream.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
I've own men like that, and when I'm around that,
it makes me feel like it can make you feel
less than yeah, and it chips away at your self esteem.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Mm hmm. But she's not like that.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
When she's not with him, she's awesome. She's who knows,
you know how.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I think there's a couple of things that can be
happening right now. I think that Todd doesn't like the show,
does not like to film he does.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
He doesn't want to be there. He does not want
to be there.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
But can he just pretend for a minute?
Speaker 3 (21:37):
No, Guys like him who make a fuck ton of money,
who are very successful in their life sometimes have a
greater than thou attitude and they don't have to change
or change anything for anyone.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
And she's doing something she doesn't need to do.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
She clearly has a lot of money, She clearly is
married to a wealthy be man, and this is something
she wants to do.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
So he's kind of punishing her for it. Do you
think that it could potentially break up their marriage.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I think this could potentially break up anyone's marriage. There's
a lot of marriages that I see on this show,
in particular what we're if we want to just talk
about Salt Lake City, there's a there's a couple of
marriages here that I say, are a little bit, uh,
not doing so great right now?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah, I'm looking.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
You know, Whitney's marriage has been not great? Who else? Well,
Lisaa's marriage isn't is not good right now?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
No, No, And I appreciate that she's open about it.
And I can tell right now that Lisa is going
through something I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
And isn't Mary divorced or Mary's getting divorced.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I have no idea what's going with Mary. All I
know is her husband doesn't film, or her ex husband
or they're not together. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
She doesn't really talk about him, we don't see him.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
I felt like I thought they were separated.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Mary.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
I ain't picking a fight with you. I love Mary.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
He does not want to pick a fight with Mary.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
He hates the show the husband.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
But listen, a lot of husbands take the show.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Not everybody gets away with not having their husband or
their children film. And I'm open to somebody saying you're
wrong because I'm talking about them. Who am I to
speak about them? I'm speaking about what I see. If
they want to say, no, you got this wrong, dollor
so I'm like, fine, but speak to me respectfully when
you see me.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
And we also know not everything shown, not everything. Like
I've had people call me from other shows and said
Timer like, why would you say that? And I'm like, well,
this is what I'm seeing, and she'd be like, well,
this is what you didn't see. It go well, that
makes all the difference in the world. And that's why
bring off what we see. We're going off what we
see and then when you they purposely do that so
(24:05):
they have stuff to talk about at the reunion right.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Now, the story with the psychic, and there isn't a
guy that I've ever been with that would believe a
psychic that my husband would laugh his ass off. Ball's like,
take that, you know that crazy person. I'm not buying it.
And men really typically don't, well.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Guys normally guys think like any kind of psychic is bullshit. Yeah,
and I'm shaping it's like a Charlottean or ninety percent
of them probably are.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
And Todd does not strike me as the guy that
would a thing like that.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
I mean, I have a guy that's been on the
show with me, Scott Cruz.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Is he really good.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
He's really good, and he's usually ninety nine percent correct.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Have you spoke to him lately?
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yes, I have. Oh, yes I have. And he has
helped you out tremendously, and can I talk to him. Yes,
we want to have him on the show, on the podcast,
so maybe, Yep, we're gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
We're gonna do it. Okay, fine, So.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
So we just said, you know, Lisa talking with John,
He's just like, Okay.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Listen, this guy's kind of I'm worried about them in
their marriage. I think that they better reel it in
before the snowballs. I've seen this before. There's definitely a distance.
She's upset, and you know, you have to also look
at this also, like Lisa's saying a lot of things,
Lisa's fighting with a lot of people. But you also
(25:45):
let's look past what we see and look at the
fact that Lisa it's got a lot going on at home, clearly.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
And Lisa's been married a long time. And even though
like these lawsuits, I don't know if they're all dismissed,
I don't know what's going on. That's extremely stressful, and
how people deal with stress is very different for me personally.
I shut down. I completely shut down. I don't care
if someone's coming after me. I get emotional and I
(26:17):
just want to walk away. And that's what I did
all season long, rightfully, So I didn't know what was
going on with Teddy. You know when people are like, oh,
you're going to use it, well, you know what fucker
if God forbid, somebody extremely close to you gets so
sick like that, You tell me how you're gonna film,
You tell me how you're going to get your ass
up every single day work, then go film a show.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Right, I love you, And the same goes for. You know,
being sick is much worse than fighting with your husband,
but the same goes for It's all relative, like you're
behind closed doors, your your marriage is falling apart, your
marriage with your kids.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Ah, there's a lot of reasons why it's not easy.
It's not everybody deals with stuff the way they should.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
But John says they aren't on the same page, and
she's like, so why don't we talk? And he goes
because you won't listen anyway, Well, did Lisa?
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Did you hear her him start to talk? And she
talked right over him and he just sat there and
shook his head and.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
He's like, I'm done. Lisa, Lisa, I like your marriage.
I think you should start listening or try to the
guys saying you're not listening to what I'm saying. Maybe
in the past she has and she's over it. I
don't know, but she seems to be upset over the
state of their marriage, so I want her. I don't
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want her to lose it if she wants to stay together.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
I'm not convinced that's what she's upset about. We've seen
Lisa on defense mode all season long.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Now.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
You have to remember the very first episode she was
not in and all they did was talk about these
lawsuits against her. So she comes in to all this
bullshit about this guy's suing you and you're using his
card and you're doing this. So she's coming from a
(28:09):
place of defense, and maybe things aren't great at home.
Who knows. They're obviously having communication problems. I don't think
it's like they're ready for divorce or anything like that.
Doesn't seem like it's that big of a deal. Do
something great. I just think John's just tired of not
getting a word in right. I don't know. Maybe we're
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gonna find out more.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
I can see how someone would be tired of not
getting a word in. Yeah, if that's the case, but yeah,
it's never just that. There's so much more. I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Well you know you know who's never short of getting
words in.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Mary?
Speaker 2 (28:49):
All of them, well all of them but Mary. Mary
like her words are so cutting and so funny and
sometimes kind of mean. When Mary goes to Ange to talk,
I mean, she like, oh, you're answering the door. Usually
I have to let myself in. Oh here I and
she's like, here, I got you a drink, but it's
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not low calorie. I wouldn't drink that. You shouldn't drink
it either, like oh my god, TV Gold.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Yes, if Mary's mob name would be Mary TV Gold.
To me, she is oinionated.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
She's not mean, Okay, yes, okay. Sometimes there's a fine
line between being overly opinionated and mean. It could have
been like, oh, thank you so much for that, but
I only drink.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
She doesn't have a filter. She has doesn't have a filter.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
I'll never drink that. Joe's Sugar's a net.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Like oh, or I'll handle hers so well. But you
know this talk with her and Angie, Wow, she she shoot?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Does she remind you of Vicky? I mean, Vicky's pretty opinionated,
but I think that, uh, I think that Mary, I
think she wins.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
I really don't think Mary wins the gold. As far
as i'm turns, I'm concerned. But there's parts of me
that really understand Mary. And it goes back to her
childhood and she's very open about it, and she's like
the behavior of Angie being so violent and throwing things
(30:31):
and blind anger. She goes that triggers me, and that's
that I can't be around that. I get that, I Mary,
I understand you.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
You know what, It's so funny they say that because
I understand Heather debro more after seeing that scene, because
Heather started a conversation about her father being very like
getting mad and getting explosive, and at the time I
just thought like, oh okay, I didn't know, like, oh
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were you're saying, I'm that way and I trigger you.
So you know, it's all about what happens in your
past and all the trauma that has created, and that
is how you deal with the things that come your way.
So I gotta believe just the little things that Mary
has told us, she went through a lot as a child.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
And I understand. I absolutely understand her. I think she's
very honest. I think she's very vulnerable at times. And
when she was talking about how she feels about Angie, like,
this was a really emotional episode for a lot of reasons.
And if it get me to the point I got
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out when I was watching it, it's good. So when
she was saying, listen, I love hard when I finally
let somebody in and I've really let Angie in that
special place, I don't know why. I don't know what
it was about Angie that that she got to that
part and her Auntie's very smart. Angie's real Angie, I
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want to say, is one of the smarter ones on
this cast, believe it or not, Like she's like there's
a I think they're all smart, and they're very you know,
Merrediths is educated, and there's a lot but Anne.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Heather, Heather Gay is very intelligent.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Very intelligent Heather Gay, and she's a different level smart
Angie street smart and super streets.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
And sometimes that gets you farther.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
And she got she got to that place with Mary
and she's there and Mary's like, I love like Harry,
Mary speak about how much she loves Angie. Was I
was a little bit surprised, but I also know, like Anngie,
don't cross her because if she's here with you and
you cross her, you're you're in trouble.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah, but then you know, Mary uses that word bully.
She says that Angie is supposed to be a sister,
but she isn't. She says she's becoming a bully. And
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I just have a hard time with that word. And housewives,
you know, we all reused did and it's we all
at one point or time get upset with each other.
You know, it takes me back to you know, you
and Margaret are great friends. But there was a scene
where she said you were there and you like you
lost it, Yeah, lost it because you're like, no, I
(33:34):
wasn't and you like you you lost it, and and
that that's what happens on these shows. It doesn't mean
you're a bully.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
No, it built It was a build up. Also, these
shows are build ups, and like you said when we
first started today, you said that it's really hard to
start with the new cast because the build ups are
what people watch, right.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Because yeah, there's no history with you, there's no build.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Up, there's no build up, there's no history. We're starting
from scratch, which the flatulence. Mary talking about farting. I
Angie treated her when she farted. Now did I miss it?
Did she come onto the scene and fart and go, oh, sorry,
I farted like I heard it like.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
She basically said that she had gased. She goes, I
don't know why I have so much gas? And then
and then you know, she's like, okay, maybe you should
sit over there, like an she bought it up herself,
I know.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
But then the way Angie handled it like they made
her feel embarrassed that she said.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Well, then don't bring it up.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
I think she farted.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Okay, well you farted. It happened.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
She didn't fart though, Okay, Well they didn't have to
be like.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
She must have farted because she This is the first
time ever we are having a fight on housewife shows
about farting.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
I By the way, it's funny because I'm because Meredith
said on Watch What Happens Lot that she wasn't allowed
to say that word growing up, and neither was I fart. Yeah,
my grandmother goes, that's a low class word. Don't ever
say that, and so we never did. Meanwhile, don't even
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ask the way I grew up where I grew up.
It was like crazy, like craziness in the middle of
the night.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Like did you just not talk about it? Or you
just like you.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Just didn't say the word.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
You would just like your walk into a room and
crop dust to everybody and then just be wasn't me?
Speaker 3 (35:35):
No? It was like did you do a Peter Dough?
Speaker 2 (35:37):
I don't know where that name came from. Do never
even heard of it? I don't even want to talk
about it? Would you?
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Would you fucking scene?
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Ever?
Speaker 3 (35:47):
I don't like when someone makes you feel stupid about
saying something.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
I don't like it.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
And Angie kind of did make her feel stupid about
saying it. Mary does not like to be made fun of.
We should all know Mary by now.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Damn Angie, Well, next I'm married. Don't don't tell the
group that you got guests? How about that?
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Well, you should be able to be yourself and be
vulnerable in front of your friends and say I've guessed
and not be made fun of for it.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
See I'm the opposite. I'd be like, I'd probably be
ripping them. I'd be like, here you go, I got guess.
Do you want more? There's more?
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Where that came now, I know, but you could do that,
But like they made her feel stupid about saying that, Angie, Angie,
I mean, dog, are you farting?
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Dog?
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Has stomach issues. Let me tell you if I put
her next to the microphone, you'd hear her stomach.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
I'm telling you, oh poor thing. I think that Mary
was fine with the first joke, but then Angie kept
carrying it on. But I don't think it was that deep.
And then Mary finally said, I didn't come to cry.
I came to tell you off, you.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Know, but like what I have been upset about Angie
making fun of my parts? Yeah, because I told you
the truth and then you may fun of me. So
then I.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Don't give a shit about that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
It's an Italian thing. We don't like to be made
fun of, Like Paul, Irish people they call it's called
they take the piss out of each other other. They
think it's funny to make fun of. Italians get offended
very easily.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Okay, that's why I mean and Paul get along so well.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
I know Italians are like, the fuck you're making fun
of me? Fuck you fuck your mother. So no, Italians
don't think it's funny.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Okay, let's start talking about Lisa because I got a
lot to say.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Well, I have to say Heather shopping with Lisa again.
These friends, like Mary's calling out Angie and Heather's calling
out Lisa. These are friends, guys, these are real friends.
I'm impressed. You should be able to tell your friends
when they're fucking up.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
I feel like they're trying very hard to take Lisa
down this season. The girl is getting it from every
single direction tells her about though. Yeah, but this conversation
annoyed me. Lisa asked to bring glam to the yacht.
That annoyed me. But that that annoyed you know how
she's remember meltdown right right, Like, if you want to
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fight with Lisa about something, fight about her being pretentious,
fight about her you know, wanting to name drop, fight
about her about her glam and her fancy clothes, don't
fight about her about bringing ship up, because that's what
this show is about.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
They are doing her job.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Lisamercials. Yep, Lisa's getting the camera. That's what she's getting.
She's getting the tamera. This season, she's getting blamed for everything.
They're trying so hard to take take Our Girl Down.
If Lisa wasn't on this season, what would these ladies
have to talk about the first couple episodes not as
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carrying this, She wasn't even the camping trip, and she
was talked about. Not only was she talked about, she
was it was her legal issues were brought up. Now
do you know if she did that, you know.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
What should be accused? Oh you're digging you're.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Yes, yes, you're look at you. You're digging things up.
You're digging things up.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
I mean it's like traders right now, you're getting accused
for something you're No one really has the proof that
you really didn't only by her past, by way of
her past, Where was there any proof in the past
that she brought these things up or brought them to life?
Or well she calls her the minute you call and
you say, I have a private investigator, I'm calling my
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private investigator firm, or I got something on everybody, I
have a private investigator. You know what?
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Now you you.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Say that, now you're getting your putting yourself. When something
comes out, they're gonna blame you.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yeah, But I mean, did she say she's got shit
on people? Or did she say last season that I
have a private investigator and I will get to the
bottom of it.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
That's what she said.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah, okay, So why.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Does everybody blame Lisa when something comes out in the
press about that?
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Well, in this episode. In this episode, Whitney brings something
up about Bronwin, some legal shit from ten years ago. Again,
if our friend Lisa brought that up, she'd be like, Oh, Lisa,
you're a risky friend. According to Heather, You're why because
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you're doing what everybody else is doing on this show.
You need to show me more proof, you need to
show me what's going on. Lisa is someone who speaks
her mind. There's not one girl on that show that
doesn't speak their mind, not one girl on that show
that is not digging up shit and throwing it in
their face.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
This might not be a popular opinion, but it's not.
Other people are jealous of the housewife that gets the
most attention.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
One that's at the top, always tries to get knocked down. Now,
this new thing about uh, they talked about something. If
bad stories come out in the press, it's got to
be from Lisa.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
There's more than one person on the show. And how
about the millions of followers that dig this shit up
before a housewife even does.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Well. A lot of this stuff that's being talked about,
especially Reddit. There's something called Reddit.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Yes, if you really want to know, Yes, we don't
need Lisa Barlow to find this shit out.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Yeah. Reddit digs up everything from what I hear. I'm
not a big Reddit person, but I get sent to
me from Reddit. Paul tells me what he and I'm like,
holy shit, these people go deep.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
They do. I don't even go I don't actually even
know how to go on Reddit, but I can tell
you that, yeah, it doesn't. You don't need a housewife
to find that stuff out. So Lisa's getting's and.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Listen, I get it, guys. Lisa is sharp with her words.
Her words could be mean. I get it. But Heather's
saying that. You know, she's a mean bitch. Heather, We've
seen you be a mean bitch too. And to say
that you're a risky friend that was said about me,
that was said, can't trust well when I have friends.
(42:27):
I am the most loyal to my friends, and I
will fuck somebody up if they go after my friends.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
You've been loyal to me, yep, I have one of.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
My dearest friends. Now, when you're on a TV show, well,
you know what, if my husband's in trouble with the law,
or and it's in the press or whatever, you bet
your sweetest, someone's gonna bring it up.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Yeah, but how about this. Heather defriends Angie, telling Lisa
that everything she hates Angie and she's also done too.
But so everybody at one time or another.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Do you think Lisa and Angie are similar?
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think they're sharp with their tongue.
I think that they had the one liners just to
slide off of their their tongue. I think that they're
great TV.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
I it is what it is. But I didn't they Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
We did get some clarification on suit man. It's suitman,
not soup man.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
I needed that clarification.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Would you rather have a man in a suit or
a man to bring you soup? Suit suit?
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Because the man in the suit is going to give
me the money to pay the man, and this for
the soupman to bring it to me. Good.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
That is a good way of thinking about it. So
Heather finding out it's a suit man, first of all,
he sounds hotter, she said, So you think you know
a suit man's much hotter than a soup man. I
still I still am not is there such thing as
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a soup man?
Speaker 3 (44:19):
There is? I'm Seinfeld, it's famous. Oh yes, so man,
I'm still not sold on.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
That.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
That just yeah, I don't know. I'm not so confused
about that. That's all I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
So we need to find out how this suit man is.
Maybe we will, maybe we won't.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
No, apparently Lisa said no, no, no, but I have
to rewatch it. I'm gonna pass it.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
I mean, they're constantly accusing this woman have an affair
and doing all this Angie No Lisa, Wait, who's the
one that has a suit man? Is it Angie or
is it Lisa? Okay, okay, okay, it's Angie, Okay, seeing
is the other way around?
Speaker 3 (45:03):
Yeah, No, I'm confused, but I'm gonna I'm not even
gonna spend time on this. I'm not I don't care.
There wasn't enough set about it, there was no proof
on it. I'm going to pass on this.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
Well, there's one thing that I hate that housewife say,
you've gone after every person on this cast. When you've
been on a show long enough, you have had confrontation
with almost every cast member, So shut your mouth.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
Well, that's what makes the show right, is not what
makes the show YEP, I did it.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
It's that what.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
That is the nature of the beast. Yeah, now let's
get to this was Listen, Heather defends Angie. It's really
hard coming. I don't know how close Heather and Lisa
really are, but that's really hard when you're fighting with
someone to hear someone else defend them.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
You don't want to hear it.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
It's still emotional, it's still hot. You're gonna be mad
at that person. Instead of defending defending Angie. I think
Heather should have came at Lisa in a way where, listen,
I'm your friend, I'm here. If you're going through a
lot at home, it looks like you're upset about your
marriage to some extent, you did say that. Let's talk
about that, Lisa, because I don't. You're not looking good
(46:26):
and you know, let's let's chill out on Angie and
let's really focus on what a real problem is. That's
number one. So I don't think Heather came at Lisa.
She kind of set her up to fail here. Fine, whatever,
let's get to the crrups. Of this Britney's meeting with
her daughter because I I.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Can't talk Tamra, I, how do you think I feel
somebody that's actually gone through this. Brittany having this conversation
at a coffee shop is so familiar to me. Like
I was actually teary eyed when I watched this. Simon
and I would do the same thing with the kids.
It was in neutral place. It was usually at Starbucks.
It was usually sitting outside on a patio, very neutral.
(47:11):
But our conversations went a lot different than what we
learned about Britney. I mean, I was cringing at Britney's
story about Olivia coming over to talk to her and
she had Jared there and they were making out.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
Olivia brought that up. It started with Brittany talking about
giving her a childhood memory that she didn't remember, and
I think when she was four, when she was four,
And I think Olivia maybe it was nice of her
(47:49):
to hear a childhood memory from her mother, because she
remembers her mother in a way that she was the
best mom till I was twelve. She was always there.
She was at everything. She was at every event, every
school play, everything there was she played with us, that's
my mom, that was my mom, and I know it's
in there. I I'm Tamra, I'm not okay. I can't
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talk about this. I'm not equipped to talk about this.
So I'm gonna let you take it from here, because
this is I don't understand it. I'm sick over it.
I'm sick.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
You and me, both you and me both because this
girl wants so badly, Olivia so badly, to have a
relationship with her mother, and her mother just keeps saying
things like I failed, I'm miserable, you know, being there
for my kids, and I like, it's this total opposite
(48:50):
of the situation that I've had to deal with, the
total opposite. My children were alienating and told things that
we're so disgusting that now two of my children don't
speak to their father because now they're older and they
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are disgusted by the things that they were told. My
other daughter, when I see her, I have seen her recently,
very kind and very sweet girl. But we're not back
to where we should be. And I would give anything
to have that conversation that Brittany had with her daughter,
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and to sit there and her daughter to say the
things she.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
Said Olivia said, get to know me, MO, get to
know me MO, and Brittany is just like given up.
She's like, it's so far gone.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
It's opposite for me. It's in my situation.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
I want to say to Brittany, you never stop fighting
for your kids. Never the fact that Olivia came to you.
You still can have a relationship moving forward. She's embracing it.
She's saying, mom, get to know me, and you're like,
I don't, just I don't know where to start. And
(50:18):
Olivia is saying, Mom, put your kids first for once
and get to know me. And this is you know what, Brittany,
don't give up on this. You could still do this
for both of you.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
You've lost so much.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
I get it. This girl had to go to her
father to talk about her periods and she's like, yeah,
that wasn't great, ma, And you're like, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
She's lucky her daughter still speaks to her.
Speaker 3 (50:46):
There's a chance you still can do this if you wanted, Brittany,
how about gravel crawl, lick the bottom of her sneaker,
lay on the floor and say walk on me. Do
whatever you have to do to feel better. And I'm
here and from here on and in your life. I'm
gonna be here only if you mean it, because this
girl is so afraid that you're going to hurt her again.
(51:09):
When she was in between her jobs and took the
thirty minutes she had to come see you. Whatever scumbag
boyfriend you had that walked in the scumbag fucking room
right and fucking made out with you in front of her,
What are you doing, I'm bag guy. Okay, Okay, that's
in the past.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
Well, she was sending a message to poor Olivia that
she's not important.
Speaker 3 (51:32):
Whoever that guy is. You know, Brittany, if you're broken,
I get it, but unbreak yourself and you have a
chance something.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
And I don't want I don't do that want to.
I do not want to mom shame anybody.
Speaker 3 (51:48):
I'm not mom shaming her.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
And this is a situation where I've done a lot
of research. I did a short movie, like a little
documentary on it, and have met with people that have
gone through the same thing. It's more common than you
know that a child at a certain age will turn
on a parent and just go on with your life.
(52:11):
Now you have to understand there's a history on my
ex's side. Of the family of doing that. Like my family,
we will fight. It's you know, family's not easy.
Speaker 3 (52:25):
But I just here's the start of this. What I'm
saying is Brittany didn't deny what happened with Jared that day.
She She's like, I'm just sorry.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
He should have never been there.
Speaker 3 (52:41):
It was a happened. It happens. You know, sometimes you're vulnerable.
I'm not I'm not mom shaming Brittany because I mean,
I cannot bee. I'm not gonna bad mouth her. I'm
just gonna say to you, Brittany, you know what you did.
You feel guilty. I think you feel so guilty, Like
does it cut so deep that you can't even cry
(53:03):
or fix it or what? But you're if you don't
see this, Brittany, this Olivia is sitting in front of
you saying, get to know me. You need to say,
where do I start? What do you want from me?
How can I do it? Let me start now?
Speaker 2 (53:18):
But how brave of her to do this.
Speaker 3 (53:20):
She's a strong girl. She wants to forgive her mother,
which is so hard to do. She wants her mother
to get to know her, but she is definitely afraid
of her mother turning hunter again for another for a guy.
And you know what, Brittany, to your credit, if you
don't think you can do that, then don't start this.
(53:41):
Don't go here, don't no. I think it would be
worse for her to hurt Olivia again in that way
than to not do it at all.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
That was a tough scene. I mean, I have to
give them both credit for sharing this conversation. For me personally,
I pray for them.
Speaker 3 (54:02):
I want to pray for them. They broke my heart.
It broke my heart.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
I don't know I could do it.
Speaker 3 (54:08):
I I couldn't even live through watching it. I got
very upset. I'm still upset and hours and hours ago.
Speaker 2 (54:19):
So you think that Brittany was so nervous that the
things that were coming out of her mouth just weren't
the right things to say.
Speaker 3 (54:29):
I don't think that Brittany has the wherewithal to handle this.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
I think she's because he's so sorry.
Speaker 3 (54:38):
She's like she said to me, shouldn'tay to me, sid
to Olivia. I don't know, or in her confessional so
one of them said, she said, I don't know how
to fix this. I think it's so bad. I think
what I did was so bad you can't. Living with
guilt is probably the worst thing.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
Well, then get help as a parent, is well. I
say that nervous situation because Spencer, at a young age teenage,
hadn't seen his dad for a while, and we sat
down at Starbucks and all I ever wanted was the
other kids to reconnect with her dad. It wasn't the
(55:18):
other way around. It wasn't him wanting her to That's
how I felt. I never felt like he wanted Sydney
to reconnect with me. Now, of course, this was ten
years ago, maybe even longer. And the first thing Simon
said to Spencer, wow, you have acne, just like your
(55:39):
sister had it. And after people are not parents. And
afterwards I said to him, you know when the kids
were you know, over the phone, why would you do that?
Speaker 3 (55:54):
Like?
Speaker 2 (55:54):
Is that your icebreaker? He's like, I just got nervous.
I didn't know what to say.
Speaker 3 (55:59):
I believe that it's not okay to tell you the truth.
I can't move on from that scene. You can finish
this meredth Meredith and how they go on this walk
and they're like, oh look how beautiful. It's just looks
cold and dreary and dim to me. Because I was
so broken from the scene before this. I don't know
what they said. I wasn't interested in what they had
(56:21):
to say.
Speaker 2 (56:22):
I it was just more gossip shit, you know, is
Angie feeding information about you know, the Meredith of it all.
And it's just like after that scene, very une, just
exactly and doesn't make that much like it doesn't give
that much of a punch. Yeah, you know, it's it's
(56:48):
just so hard. And then Whitney, Mary and Angie hangout.
Whitney talks about Brahmin's allegations of identity theft and Whitney
hasn't heard from her. And here we go, Whitney bringing
up alligation about Bronwell and legal issues. It wasn't Lisa,
but if Lisa brought them up, she'd be called a
nasty bitch digging up shit and we can't trust her.
Speaker 3 (57:10):
Well, isn't it the world a double standard? Haven't we
always said this? Well, here's the thing, that's all good,
But now we got another thing to look at. Bronwin's
these allegations about Bronwin, holy shit.
Speaker 2 (57:25):
And Todd did not help her out whatsoever. As they're
sitting down talking about it, Bromwin says everything that happened
was over ten years ago and was dismissed. She says
that she can't legally if it's dismissed, why can't you
legally talk about it? And why before she met him?
Speaker 3 (57:40):
After she met him, why.
Speaker 2 (57:41):
I don't know, but it was it was sealed, and
I don't know why it was sealed. If it's dismissed,
why can't you talk about it. Todd is concerned these
allegations are now going to affect his career. He doesn't
want to go well, doesn't want her to go on
the yacht either, because he knows it will end in
a fight between Bromwin and Lisa. I don't know what.
Probably I would imagine Bronwin thinks Lisa is starting these rumors,
(58:03):
or at least perpetuating them. The rumors, by the way,
these rumors were on Reddit, these rumors were on social media.
So is it her fault if Lisa did bring it up? No,
that's what we do on this show.
Speaker 3 (58:18):
No one was on Lisa's side enough to say this.
You're the only one saying it.
Speaker 2 (58:22):
Well, there's just one thing Todd said that really made
me sick to you when he said, I wouldn't know.
Speaker 3 (58:32):
I wouldn't piss on her brain if it was on fire.
Speaker 2 (58:36):
Yeah, I'm like bron Win blink twice. If in you're
in trouble, We'll come get you. We'll come get you.
But it was a doozy of an.
Speaker 3 (58:46):
Episode, to be guys.
Speaker 2 (58:52):
You know, I got a lot of messages because I asked, like,
what were your thoughts on the show, And you know,
there's people like, oh, Lisa needs just and I'm like,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (59:02):
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (59:03):
Lisa's getting a bad wrap. No, she is runs with stuff.
Said Todd seems completely checked out. Jessica McCoy twenty seven.
Brittany's daughter is begging for her attention. Was it was
so Olivia.
Speaker 3 (59:18):
Olivia is so strong that reels beautiful. She's tall, she's
i know, beautifuler than her mom. Olivia, if you hear this,
I just want to tell you, just want to give
you all the lug and respect for you, how you
handled this and the woman that you are and.
Speaker 2 (59:35):
What you've come to be.
Speaker 3 (59:36):
So I give you a lot of credit for the
forgiveness you have for your mom and for still wanting
a relationship for her. And that's the right thing to
do even for yourself, because hate and resentment is an
anchor in your life.
Speaker 2 (59:48):
I know, I know, well Will Garnette, he says, Mary's
fight over a fart. We'll go down in Bravo history.
Oh my god, but ye have that was it?
Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
It was?
Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
It was packed full of a lot of a.
Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
Lot of stuff. We unpacked a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
All right, Well, okay, guys, well thanks for I have to.
Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
Pray for them. I mean a lot of people say
I'll pray for you. I'm really going to pray for
Olivia today. I really am pro.
Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
I mean, I hope that.
Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
My heartbreaks kids and animals. It's my weakness of older
bitches fighting. I don't really give a fuck. I watched
them fight all day. I fight all day. Yeah, suck
a dick, scout, dick.
Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Bye bye
Two Teas in a Pod with Teddy Mellencamp and Camera Judge.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hi, guys, welcome to another episode of Two Teas and
Abroad with myself, Tamra Judge, and Dolores Catanya. Hi, Dolores,
you look revved up today.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I am so revved up because you know I watched
the episodes before we come on.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yes, Oh, so you just watched it.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Okay, I just watched it.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I watched it last night.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
A little while ago. I watched it. But I'm not
I'm not okay.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I'm not okay either. And we'll get into that. But
first we have some headlines that actually include some of
the Salt Lake Girls. One is Heather Gay. Heather Gay
has a new show come out, a Secret, The Real
Secret Lives of Mormons. This kind of scares me for her,
(01:00):
like if she's exposing. So it's a three three episode series.
It's gonna air on Bravo The Real Houses of Salt
Lake City. Heather Gay is diving deeper into her Mormon
roots with a new limited series Bravo And now to
the three part series Surviving Mormonism with Heather Gay, giving
(01:22):
fans a first look at Gay's journey to uncovering the
darker side of the Church of Jesus Christ and Latter
day Saints. I just feel like sometimes these churches like you,
like you remember, I mean, it's still around its scientology,
and then you had Leah. Was it remedy remedy or
whatever the lesson she uncovered? Like, I just feel like,
(01:43):
is her safety? Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I don't know. A lot of these people and their
difference with their religions that they were raised with have
been coming out more and more, and they're very rebellious.
And I can't imagine that the people that run these churches.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Are very happy. Okay, Now.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I don't think she I don't. I don't think they
seem to. I don't know much about their religion, do you.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
No, I don't know. I actually grew up with a
friend Kim Webb. She lived past three from me. Were
friends for years and years, and I used to go
She was Mormon, and I used to go to church
with her once in a while. So that's the only
thing I know. But I was so young. But Heather
is seen sitting down with former members of the LDS Church,
(02:35):
including a man who tells her, I spent my life
being someone I wasn't. Another woman revealed my earliest memories
are of abuse. So they're uncovering abuse and things like
that that's happened. I'm assuming from you know what we've
heard in the and the headlines have come out, it's
three parts, like I said, Premiere's November eleventh on Bravo. Yeah,
(03:00):
so she's going to expose the secrets that have been
kept behind closed doors. I thought that's what her book
was about.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
No, the other one.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
She has a couple of books, has a couple of books.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Listen, cheats a lot.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
I'm just saying, she does. She does, she they.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
They do. She gets, she gets a lot, and I'm
happy for her about that, of course, you know, but listen,
it's getting harder. We haven't been on it a long
time now. Camera and all the shows are really doing.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Well, and.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
When we do come back, it's not going to be
easy to catch up. I'm just saying, I think I'm right.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Well, I don't know. I think that. No, I think that,
you know, the originals are going to bring it. I
think that time Away is going to show where certain
people have if they're even returning, I don't know. We
don't know who the cast is, yet we don't. I
think what would be hard for you is to return
to a cast where most of them are new and
(04:07):
you don't want to know much about them, because you
face it like it takes years to get to know someone.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
It does, and to establish relationships and history. And even
the drama Salt Lake City was on the balls of
their ass. They were not doing well and they made
a good turnaround because of the build up of the
things that started to happen. You know, you establish relationships
(04:35):
right and then and then all this stuff happens. And
then Monica came on.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I miss Monica. I miss her.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
She was a good housewife.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
She's not say she's a good housewife. She did something
way prior to even being on Housewives, and she got
you know, reamed for it. And I think it was
a situation. I'm just speculating, but I think it's a
situation kind of like Katie. The cast was the one
that didn't work right. Yeah, And I sometimes I think like,
(05:05):
this is an ensemble cast. Fucking deal with it and
if it doesn't work out and next season, then get
rid of them.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Well they're lucky they got rid of somebody who brought
it and they still survived and did even they did
really well they're doing. This is a great season, I
have to say. And there's a lot going on and
a lot to unpack, which.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
There's a certain Yeah, there's a certain something that's going
on that I don't like. And I actually woke up
at three o'clock in the morning, like heated about it.
And we'll talk about it in a minute. We have
a few more headlines now, Real Housewives of Atlanta, Kelly
Ferrell's ex. We've talked about this before. He is suing
(05:49):
Bravo for defamation over abuse allegations, and he wants two
hundred million dollars according to TMZ.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Sorryuous whatever. You could try to fight NBC, but I
don't think he's gonna.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Well, I don't know about this Mark Klain, because Mark
claims Kelly spread lies on the show in a fabricated
storyline on the show that he abused. Kelly didn't pay
back the money. Now, unless there's the receipts or he
signed a contract with the network, it's going to be
(06:25):
a tough one. Well, he's got a case. He says
that he and Kelly jointly applied for a four hundred
and twenty thousand dollars alone back in twenty twenty two
to build out a restaurant called Nana's Chicken and Waffles.
He says Kelly spent a bunch of the loan money
on her birthday and any and other unauthorized expenses, then
(06:48):
fabricated a story that he stole the money from her.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
So four hundred and twenty thousand dollars is not easy
to spend.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
On a birthday.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Okay, No, he said she runs a yacht. I mean,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
But he says he repaid the loan, but she still
pressing forward with the false claims that he stole the money.
According to Mark, cast members talked about him on the show,
saying he's a criminal, an abuser, and a fraud.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Well, she has a restraining order, she has a bodyguard,
she has a lot of things. We all know there's
two sides to every story.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
But Mark claims the show producers continue to broadcast the
allegations despite knowing they were false. He says, I doubt
that any producer is going to broadcast anything knowing it's false.
So in order for.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Them, what do you think about that?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Well, I would think that these type of allegations are
slander if they're not true.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Add slander, says.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
He says he has damaged his personal and professional reputation
at the tune of one hundred million dollars. One hundred
that's I mean, it's a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
He also wants to start with these numbers, get the
fuck out of my face.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
I mean, theseumers are crazy. He also wants the court
to dole out the additional one hundred million in punitive
damage to Spin to send a message to the network,
bringing a total to a whopping two hundred million dollars.
Is what Kelly's ex wants.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Kelly zachs, please stop playing with yourself. Okay, that's okay.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
What kelly'sax was never on the show, right, He never
signed as, never signed a release.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Never on the show. And she must have full custody
for her to have had the kids on the show
the show.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
That's that was going to be my next question, because
Kelly hires co star Phedra to repent her in court.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
These girls are spending so much money on attorneys Phaedra.
I would hire Faedra to represent me for anything. I
know she's a very good attorney. But what is her specialty?
Is her specialty divorced family law?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
I personally would probably not. I think it's a conflict
of interest. I think that I would go for attorney
that specializes just in this. I thought Pedra was.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Entertainment attorney, So I don't know if Fedra is family
law and knowing the network the way that she does,
then listen.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Who knows Cherre's X represented himself.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
They're going on to season seventeen. That was a long
long time ago, so listen. I hope she gets better result.
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Speaker 2 (11:07):
Well. Kelly filing an emergency petition after her ex husband
allegedly interfered with their kids filming. Kelly said she was
granted the authority to make decisions related to the kids' education,
certain healthcare, religious upbringing and so. But that's different than filming.
(11:28):
That's different than filming.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Now.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
It's been my experience that both parents have to sign
in order for the kids to film. Now, there might
be a loophole that he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Have if he had does not have zeroal custody, but yeah,
she has to have full custody. If he has joint custody,
whether he sees them or not. Legally, if he has
joint custody, he has to sign office to sign.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
In her lines.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Problem. Yeah, but I think production would have done their
homework on that, because that's producing.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
One oh one.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
And I know a lot of girls who didn't get
this job because their husbands wouldn't sign off on their
kids and they were going through divorce.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yes, so I was pretty fortunate. I started the show
with my ex my kids were on the show, but
as soon as we got divorced, he would no longer
allow the kids to film. But they kept me anyways.
But you know, I even asked, like, could you film
them from behind? Can you not show their face? And
(12:35):
they're said, no, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
They are. They are very strict with that.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah, and her finally Kelly said she was allowed their
children to film. Mark has objected, created confusion and prompting
the network to demand judicial clarification before continuing to film
with the children.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
So here's the thing. He wasn't there. He didn't visit
the kids.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
From what we saw, from what we know, yeah, from
what we know.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
So I think there's a lot of unanswered questions and
without those, we can't really make an assumption of what's
really happening here.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
You don't know, And now she's claiming as a mother
and met children or a significant portion of my storyline.
As such, I consented to their participation on the Real
Housewives of Atlanta Season seventeen, Kelly cleaned. Bravo and NBC
asked for the court to order that Kelly is allowed
to film before they continue with the kids being part
(13:37):
of the show.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
That means if they had to go ask the court
to order, then she didn't have permission.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
That's a Hardea, that's a problem.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yeah, you're not getting that's a big problem.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
So Faedri Parks has been hired to help, So I
don't know if Pager is her main attorney or if
she You know, sometimes people hire a few attorneys.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
So anytime the attorneys involved, you're getting hosed, not hosed,
you're getting host It's going to cost money.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
You're getting hosed, trust me money. Yeah, I hired a
firm once. I had to pay the main attorney. I
had to pay the assistant attorney. I had to pay
the guy that's training to be attorney. I had to
pay the paralegal. Did you just support everyone's And I'm.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Like, okay, so these these attorneys literally the sugar daddy
for the firm.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, like these big attorneys like it adds up?
Speaker 3 (14:37):
It really does at all?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
A question a paper?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Oh god, yeah, just trying to figure it out, guys. Yep.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Well, let's get into Salt Lake City. This is episode
six already. Now. It starts out with Heather and Angie facetiming.
Angie thinks she has wasted time with Lisa and acted wrong.
Heather appreciates that Angie is taking accountability. The word bullied
has been brought up multiple times.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Who's bullying?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Who got you?
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Everyone seems to be holding their own.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Do you think Lisa has bullied? Angie and the other
ladies bullied? No one takes her shit, speaking your mind
and saying things, and maybe Lisa says things like much
like me, go suck a dick, fuck yourself.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Maybe you have the word you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
You know, I have a feeling.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Todd doesn't know that he's been dubbed geutic. I'm just
gonna throw it out there.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Well, wait till he finds out, Wait till he finds out.
Well he knows.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Now.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I just think that using the word bully on Housewives
is so comical. It's I mean, it's almost ridiculous, because
I feel like the show is about bullying. That's about
That's what I'm saying, Like women bullying each other, bring
it up. Shit, nobody wants to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
It's like really wrong because I take bullying very seriously
in my life. I had a sister who was bullied.
I went to school. I went to school during very
nasty times before bullying was an actual breaking the law,
like you got in trouble for teachers got involved. We
(16:29):
grew up during very very hard times back in the
seventies and the eighties. And you know, this isn't my
idea of bullying. Guy, stop it. Stop using that word.
There are kids that come home from school every day
that are bullying.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
My daughter was bullied. She was bullied bad. And my
daughter went through a very traumatic experience in middle school.
And then she got involved with a group of girls
that just were bullies, and they bullied her and made
fun of her, and and she'd come home crying and
some days she'd sit by herself, and you know, it
(17:08):
was just set girls.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
That's not our idea of bullying. Okay, that's all I'm
gonna say. Let's say somebody's mean spirited. Yeah, somebody's a
fucking bitch. Yeah, somebody's that. So after that, as far
as to say bully, you're in a small group of
women where yeah, sometimes they gang up on each other,
but they're not trying to break you down. I don't
(17:33):
feel like I don't think it's that extreme. I think
it's I think we need to find a different word.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, for sure. I mean for kids, you know, it's
a little different. Like Sophia at that point, she isolated
herself and she would get phone calls when all these
girls were having parties and call her at like midnight
and go, oh, so sorry, you're not invited, you know
what I mean. Like, to me, that's like childhood bullying
and things like that. When you're in alt and you're
(18:01):
on a reality show that it is all about arguing,
it's not bullying. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Listen.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Maybe that's their perception of it, that's what they want
to call it, but it's not. I'm sorry. I'm not
going to go with bullying. And you know what, you're
grown adult and you can handle yourself. I don't see
one person here that does not.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Do it. Bullying's a strong word, yes, fair enough, yes,
Bronwin tells Todd that Lisa is threatening and hard to handle.
Todd doesn't react to Yeah, that's fine, okay, true, but
he's not reacting to this story about the psychic and
she gets emotional because she feels she's misunderstood by him.
(18:47):
And every time, I mean.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
If this guy has ever been what he is anything?
Speaker 2 (18:53):
No, every time Todd appears on TV, my butthole clinches.
This guy is in timid day and scary.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
I hate it. Yes he is.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
You know what this has pissed me off? It may
it's because I have an amazing husband. I have the
sweetheart of a husband. I hate that Bronwyn had to
open the door and hold it open for Todd at
the ice cream store. That bugged me so bad.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
When Bronwyn speaks to him, she speaks to him in
the same demeanor of when she speaks to her mom.
Her shoulders go down, her head goes down, she looks up,
and she looks like she's in pain. Now, bron when
I I don't know, I feel like there's a lot
(19:42):
going on. Bron Went's so well spoken. I really like
bron when She's grown on me, by the way, and
I feel bad for her because I feel bad for her.
It's a lot of I feel so much hurt in
her when she talks, and but yet when she's out
of the environ and she steps out of that in
(20:03):
front of her mother, or she's in front of Todd,
and she's in front of those girls, let me fucking
tell you something. She is not frazzled. She doesn't strike
me as a woman that's been so affected by someone
who acts like that, the way her husband acts towards her.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I'm confused by her.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
I like her, but I'm almost confused. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I think that she is drawn to people like her husband,
like her mom. Her mom and her husband are very,
very harsh on her.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
But people like that are usually timid Tamron, She's not
timid like that away from them.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I was like clapping when she finally said to Todd,
can you suspend your bullshit?
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Meeter? Oh yeah. Paul actually was watching that with me, and.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
I'm like, thank you, Bronwin, I mean, and Alici said
he was sorry, but he still ate her cherry after
she went on and on about it's the best part
of her ice cream.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
I've own men like that, and when I'm around that,
it makes me feel like it can make you feel
less than yeah, and it chips away at your self esteem.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Mm hmm. But she's not like that.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
When she's not with him, she's awesome. She's who knows,
you know how.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I think there's a couple of things that can be
happening right now. I think that Todd doesn't like the show,
does not like to film he does.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
He doesn't want to be there. He does not want
to be there.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
But can he just pretend for a minute?
Speaker 3 (21:37):
No, Guys like him who make a fuck ton of money,
who are very successful in their life sometimes have a
greater than thou attitude and they don't have to change
or change anything for anyone.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
And she's doing something she doesn't need to do.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
She clearly has a lot of money, She clearly is
married to a wealthy be man, and this is something
she wants to do.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
So he's kind of punishing her for it. Do you
think that it could potentially break up their marriage.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I think this could potentially break up anyone's marriage. There's
a lot of marriages that I see on this show,
in particular what we're if we want to just talk
about Salt Lake City, there's a there's a couple of
marriages here that I say, are a little bit, uh,
not doing so great right now?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah, I'm looking.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
You know, Whitney's marriage has been not great? Who else? Well,
Lisaa's marriage isn't is not good right now?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
No, No, And I appreciate that she's open about it.
And I can tell right now that Lisa is going
through something I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
And isn't Mary divorced or Mary's getting divorced.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I have no idea what's going with Mary. All I
know is her husband doesn't film, or her ex husband
or they're not together. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
She doesn't really talk about him, we don't see him.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
I felt like I thought they were separated.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Mary.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
I ain't picking a fight with you. I love Mary.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
He does not want to pick a fight with Mary.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
He hates the show the husband.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
But listen, a lot of husbands take the show.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Not everybody gets away with not having their husband or
their children film. And I'm open to somebody saying you're
wrong because I'm talking about them. Who am I to
speak about them? I'm speaking about what I see. If
they want to say, no, you got this wrong, dollor
so I'm like, fine, but speak to me respectfully when
you see me.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
And we also know not everything shown, not everything. Like
I've had people call me from other shows and said
Timer like, why would you say that? And I'm like, well,
this is what I'm seeing, and she'd be like, well,
this is what you didn't see. It go well, that
makes all the difference in the world. And that's why
bring off what we see. We're going off what we
see and then when you they purposely do that so
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they have stuff to talk about at the reunion right.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Now, the story with the psychic, and there isn't a
guy that I've ever been with that would believe a
psychic that my husband would laugh his ass off. Ball's like,
take that, you know that crazy person. I'm not buying it.
And men really typically don't, well.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Guys normally guys think like any kind of psychic is bullshit. Yeah,
and I'm shaping it's like a Charlottean or ninety percent
of them probably are.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
And Todd does not strike me as the guy that
would a thing like that.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
I mean, I have a guy that's been on the
show with me, Scott Cruz.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Is he really good.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
He's really good, and he's usually ninety nine percent correct.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Have you spoke to him lately?
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yes, I have. Oh, yes I have. And he has
helped you out tremendously, and can I talk to him. Yes,
we want to have him on the show, on the podcast,
so maybe, Yep, we're gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
We're gonna do it. Okay, fine, So.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
So we just said, you know, Lisa talking with John,
He's just like, Okay.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Listen, this guy's kind of I'm worried about them in
their marriage. I think that they better reel it in
before the snowballs. I've seen this before. There's definitely a distance.
She's upset, and you know, you have to also look
at this also, like Lisa's saying a lot of things,
Lisa's fighting with a lot of people. But you also
(25:45):
let's look past what we see and look at the
fact that Lisa it's got a lot going on at home, clearly.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
And Lisa's been married a long time. And even though
like these lawsuits, I don't know if they're all dismissed,
I don't know what's going on. That's extremely stressful, and
how people deal with stress is very different for me personally.
I shut down. I completely shut down. I don't care
if someone's coming after me. I get emotional and I
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just want to walk away. And that's what I did
all season long, rightfully, So I didn't know what was
going on with Teddy. You know when people are like, oh,
you're going to use it, well, you know what fucker
if God forbid, somebody extremely close to you gets so
sick like that, You tell me how you're gonna film,
You tell me how you're going to get your ass
up every single day work, then go film a show.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Right, I love you, And the same goes for. You know,
being sick is much worse than fighting with your husband,
but the same goes for It's all relative, like you're
behind closed doors, your your marriage is falling apart, your
marriage with your kids.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Ah, there's a lot of reasons why it's not easy.
It's not everybody deals with stuff the way they should.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
But John says they aren't on the same page, and
she's like, so why don't we talk? And he goes
because you won't listen anyway, Well, did Lisa?
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Did you hear her him start to talk? And she
talked right over him and he just sat there and
shook his head and.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
He's like, I'm done. Lisa, Lisa, I like your marriage.
I think you should start listening or try to the
guys saying you're not listening to what I'm saying. Maybe
in the past she has and she's over it. I
don't know, but she seems to be upset over the
state of their marriage, so I want her. I don't
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want her to lose it if she wants to stay together.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
I'm not convinced that's what she's upset about. We've seen
Lisa on defense mode all season long.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Now.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
You have to remember the very first episode she was
not in and all they did was talk about these
lawsuits against her. So she comes in to all this
bullshit about this guy's suing you and you're using his
card and you're doing this. So she's coming from a
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place of defense, and maybe things aren't great at home.
Who knows. They're obviously having communication problems. I don't think
it's like they're ready for divorce or anything like that.
Doesn't seem like it's that big of a deal. Do
something great. I just think John's just tired of not
getting a word in right. I don't know. Maybe we're
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gonna find out more.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
I can see how someone would be tired of not
getting a word in. Yeah, if that's the case, but yeah,
it's never just that. There's so much more. I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Well you know you know who's never short of getting
words in.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Mary?
Speaker 2 (28:49):
All of them, well all of them but Mary. Mary
like her words are so cutting and so funny and
sometimes kind of mean. When Mary goes to Ange to talk,
I mean, she like, oh, you're answering the door. Usually
I have to let myself in. Oh here I and
she's like, here, I got you a drink, but it's
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not low calorie. I wouldn't drink that. You shouldn't drink
it either, like oh my god, TV Gold.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Yes, if Mary's mob name would be Mary TV Gold.
To me, she is oinionated.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
She's not mean, Okay, yes, okay. Sometimes there's a fine
line between being overly opinionated and mean. It could have
been like, oh, thank you so much for that, but
I only drink.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
She doesn't have a filter. She has doesn't have a filter.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
I'll never drink that. Joe's Sugar's a net.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Like oh, or I'll handle hers so well. But you
know this talk with her and Angie, Wow, she she shoot?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Does she remind you of Vicky? I mean, Vicky's pretty opinionated,
but I think that, uh, I think that Mary, I
think she wins.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
I really don't think Mary wins the gold. As far
as i'm turns, I'm concerned. But there's parts of me
that really understand Mary. And it goes back to her
childhood and she's very open about it, and she's like
the behavior of Angie being so violent and throwing things
(30:31):
and blind anger. She goes that triggers me, and that's
that I can't be around that. I get that, I Mary,
I understand you.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
You know what, It's so funny they say that because
I understand Heather debro more after seeing that scene, because
Heather started a conversation about her father being very like
getting mad and getting explosive, and at the time I
just thought like, oh okay, I didn't know, like, oh
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were you're saying, I'm that way and I trigger you.
So you know, it's all about what happens in your
past and all the trauma that has created, and that
is how you deal with the things that come your way.
So I gotta believe just the little things that Mary
has told us, she went through a lot as a child.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
And I understand. I absolutely understand her. I think she's
very honest. I think she's very vulnerable at times. And
when she was talking about how she feels about Angie, like,
this was a really emotional episode for a lot of reasons.
And if it get me to the point I got
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out when I was watching it, it's good. So when
she was saying, listen, I love hard when I finally
let somebody in and I've really let Angie in that
special place, I don't know why. I don't know what
it was about Angie that that she got to that
part and her Auntie's very smart. Angie's real Angie, I
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want to say, is one of the smarter ones on
this cast, believe it or not, Like she's like there's
a I think they're all smart, and they're very you know,
Merrediths is educated, and there's a lot but Anne.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Heather, Heather Gay is very intelligent.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Very intelligent Heather Gay, and she's a different level smart
Angie street smart and super streets.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
And sometimes that gets you farther.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
And she got she got to that place with Mary
and she's there and Mary's like, I love like Harry,
Mary speak about how much she loves Angie. Was I
was a little bit surprised, but I also know, like Anngie,
don't cross her because if she's here with you and
you cross her, you're you're in trouble.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah, but then you know, Mary uses that word bully.
She says that Angie is supposed to be a sister,
but she isn't. She says she's becoming a bully. And
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I just have a hard time with that word. And housewives,
you know, we all reused did and it's we all
at one point or time get upset with each other.
You know, it takes me back to you know, you
and Margaret are great friends. But there was a scene
where she said you were there and you like you
lost it, Yeah, lost it because you're like, no, I
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wasn't and you like you you lost it, and and
that that's what happens on these shows. It doesn't mean
you're a bully.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
No, it built It was a build up. Also, these
shows are build ups, and like you said when we
first started today, you said that it's really hard to
start with the new cast because the build ups are
what people watch, right.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Because yeah, there's no history with you, there's no build.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Up, there's no build up, there's no history. We're starting
from scratch, which the flatulence. Mary talking about farting. I
Angie treated her when she farted. Now did I miss it?
Did she come onto the scene and fart and go, oh, sorry,
I farted like I heard it like.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
She basically said that she had gased. She goes, I
don't know why I have so much gas? And then
and then you know, she's like, okay, maybe you should
sit over there, like an she bought it up herself,
I know.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
But then the way Angie handled it like they made
her feel embarrassed that she said.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Well, then don't bring it up.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
I think she farted.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Okay, well you farted. It happened.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
She didn't fart though, Okay, Well they didn't have to
be like.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
She must have farted because she This is the first
time ever we are having a fight on housewife shows
about farting.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
I By the way, it's funny because I'm because Meredith
said on Watch What Happens Lot that she wasn't allowed
to say that word growing up, and neither was I fart. Yeah,
my grandmother goes, that's a low class word. Don't ever
say that, and so we never did. Meanwhile, don't even
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ask the way I grew up where I grew up.
It was like crazy, like craziness in the middle of
the night.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Like did you just not talk about it? Or you
just like you.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Just didn't say the word.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
You would just like your walk into a room and
crop dust to everybody and then just be wasn't me?
Speaker 3 (35:35):
No? It was like did you do a Peter Dough?
Speaker 2 (35:37):
I don't know where that name came from. Do never
even heard of it? I don't even want to talk
about it? Would you?
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Would you fucking scene?
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Ever?
Speaker 3 (35:47):
I don't like when someone makes you feel stupid about
saying something.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
I don't like it.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
And Angie kind of did make her feel stupid about
saying it. Mary does not like to be made fun of.
We should all know Mary by now.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Damn Angie, Well, next I'm married. Don't don't tell the
group that you got guests? How about that?
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Well, you should be able to be yourself and be
vulnerable in front of your friends and say I've guessed
and not be made fun of for it.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
See I'm the opposite. I'd be like, I'd probably be
ripping them. I'd be like, here you go, I got guess.
Do you want more? There's more?
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Where that came now, I know, but you could do that,
But like they made her feel stupid about saying that, Angie, Angie,
I mean, dog, are you farting?
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Dog?
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Has stomach issues. Let me tell you if I put
her next to the microphone, you'd hear her stomach.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
I'm telling you, oh poor thing. I think that Mary
was fine with the first joke, but then Angie kept
carrying it on. But I don't think it was that deep.
And then Mary finally said, I didn't come to cry.
I came to tell you off, you.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Know, but like what I have been upset about Angie
making fun of my parts? Yeah, because I told you
the truth and then you may fun of me. So
then I.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Don't give a shit about that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
It's an Italian thing. We don't like to be made
fun of, Like Paul, Irish people they call it's called
they take the piss out of each other other. They
think it's funny to make fun of. Italians get offended
very easily.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Okay, that's why I mean and Paul get along so well.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
I know Italians are like, the fuck you're making fun
of me? Fuck you fuck your mother. So no, Italians
don't think it's funny.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Okay, let's start talking about Lisa because I got a
lot to say.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Well, I have to say Heather shopping with Lisa again.
These friends, like Mary's calling out Angie and Heather's calling
out Lisa. These are friends, guys, these are real friends.
I'm impressed. You should be able to tell your friends
when they're fucking up.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
I feel like they're trying very hard to take Lisa
down this season. The girl is getting it from every
single direction tells her about though. Yeah, but this conversation
annoyed me. Lisa asked to bring glam to the yacht.
That annoyed me. But that that annoyed you know how
she's remember meltdown right right, Like, if you want to
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fight with Lisa about something, fight about her being pretentious,
fight about her you know, wanting to name drop, fight
about her about her glam and her fancy clothes, don't
fight about her about bringing ship up, because that's what
this show is about.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
They are doing her job.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Lisamercials. Yep, Lisa's getting the camera. That's what she's getting.
She's getting the tamera. This season, she's getting blamed for everything.
They're trying so hard to take take Our Girl Down.
If Lisa wasn't on this season, what would these ladies
have to talk about the first couple episodes not as
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carrying this, She wasn't even the camping trip, and she
was talked about. Not only was she talked about, she
was it was her legal issues were brought up. Now
do you know if she did that, you know.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
What should be accused? Oh you're digging you're.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Yes, yes, you're look at you. You're digging things up.
You're digging things up.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
I mean it's like traders right now, you're getting accused
for something you're No one really has the proof that
you really didn't only by her past, by way of
her past, Where was there any proof in the past
that she brought these things up or brought them to life?
Or well she calls her the minute you call and
you say, I have a private investigator, I'm calling my
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private investigator firm, or I got something on everybody, I
have a private investigator. You know what?
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Now you you.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Say that, now you're getting your putting yourself. When something
comes out, they're gonna blame you.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yeah, But I mean, did she say she's got shit
on people? Or did she say last season that I
have a private investigator and I will get to the
bottom of it.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
That's what she said.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah, okay, So why.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Does everybody blame Lisa when something comes out in the
press about that?
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Well, in this episode. In this episode, Whitney brings something
up about Bronwin, some legal shit from ten years ago. Again,
if our friend Lisa brought that up, she'd be like, Oh, Lisa,
you're a risky friend. According to Heather, You're why because
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you're doing what everybody else is doing on this show.
You need to show me more proof, you need to
show me what's going on. Lisa is someone who speaks
her mind. There's not one girl on that show that
doesn't speak their mind, not one girl on that show
that is not digging up shit and throwing it in
their face.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
This might not be a popular opinion, but it's not.
Other people are jealous of the housewife that gets the
most attention.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
One that's at the top, always tries to get knocked down. Now,
this new thing about uh, they talked about something. If
bad stories come out in the press, it's got to
be from Lisa.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
There's more than one person on the show. And how
about the millions of followers that dig this shit up
before a housewife even does.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Well. A lot of this stuff that's being talked about,
especially Reddit. There's something called Reddit.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Yes, if you really want to know, Yes, we don't
need Lisa Barlow to find this shit out.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Yeah. Reddit digs up everything from what I hear. I'm
not a big Reddit person, but I get sent to
me from Reddit. Paul tells me what he and I'm like,
holy shit, these people go deep.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
They do. I don't even go I don't actually even
know how to go on Reddit, but I can tell
you that, yeah, it doesn't. You don't need a housewife
to find that stuff out. So Lisa's getting's and.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Listen, I get it, guys. Lisa is sharp with her words.
Her words could be mean. I get it. But Heather's
saying that. You know, she's a mean bitch. Heather, We've
seen you be a mean bitch too. And to say
that you're a risky friend that was said about me,
that was said, can't trust well when I have friends.
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I am the most loyal to my friends, and I
will fuck somebody up if they go after my friends.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
You've been loyal to me, yep, I have one of.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
My dearest friends. Now, when you're on a TV show, well,
you know what, if my husband's in trouble with the law,
or and it's in the press or whatever, you bet
your sweetest, someone's gonna bring it up.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Yeah, but how about this. Heather defriends Angie, telling Lisa
that everything she hates Angie and she's also done too.
But so everybody at one time or another.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Do you think Lisa and Angie are similar?
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think they're sharp with their tongue.
I think that they had the one liners just to
slide off of their their tongue. I think that they're
great TV.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
I it is what it is. But I didn't they Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
We did get some clarification on suit man. It's suitman,
not soup man.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
I needed that clarification.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Would you rather have a man in a suit or
a man to bring you soup? Suit suit?
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Because the man in the suit is going to give
me the money to pay the man, and this for
the soupman to bring it to me. Good.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
That is a good way of thinking about it. So
Heather finding out it's a suit man, first of all,
he sounds hotter, she said, So you think you know
a suit man's much hotter than a soup man. I
still I still am not is there such thing as
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a soup man?
Speaker 3 (44:19):
There is? I'm Seinfeld, it's famous. Oh yes, so man,
I'm still not sold on.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
That.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
That just yeah, I don't know. I'm not so confused
about that. That's all I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
So we need to find out how this suit man is.
Maybe we will, maybe we won't.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
No, apparently Lisa said no, no, no, but I have
to rewatch it. I'm gonna pass it.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
I mean, they're constantly accusing this woman have an affair
and doing all this Angie No Lisa, Wait, who's the
one that has a suit man? Is it Angie or
is it Lisa? Okay, okay, okay, it's Angie, Okay, seeing
is the other way around?
Speaker 3 (45:03):
Yeah, No, I'm confused, but I'm gonna I'm not even
gonna spend time on this. I'm not I don't care.
There wasn't enough set about it, there was no proof
on it. I'm going to pass on this.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
Well, there's one thing that I hate that housewife say,
you've gone after every person on this cast. When you've
been on a show long enough, you have had confrontation
with almost every cast member, So shut your mouth.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
Well, that's what makes the show right, is not what
makes the show YEP, I did it.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
It's that what.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
That is the nature of the beast. Yeah, now let's
get to this was Listen, Heather defends Angie. It's really
hard coming. I don't know how close Heather and Lisa
really are, but that's really hard when you're fighting with
someone to hear someone else defend them.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
You don't want to hear it.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
It's still emotional, it's still hot. You're gonna be mad
at that person. Instead of defending defending Angie. I think
Heather should have came at Lisa in a way where, listen,
I'm your friend, I'm here. If you're going through a
lot at home, it looks like you're upset about your
marriage to some extent, you did say that. Let's talk
about that, Lisa, because I don't. You're not looking good
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and you know, let's let's chill out on Angie and
let's really focus on what a real problem is. That's
number one. So I don't think Heather came at Lisa.
She kind of set her up to fail here. Fine, whatever,
let's get to the crrups. Of this Britney's meeting with
her daughter because I I.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Can't talk Tamra, I, how do you think I feel
somebody that's actually gone through this. Brittany having this conversation
at a coffee shop is so familiar to me. Like
I was actually teary eyed when I watched this. Simon
and I would do the same thing with the kids.
It was in neutral place. It was usually at Starbucks.
It was usually sitting outside on a patio, very neutral.
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But our conversations went a lot different than what we
learned about Britney. I mean, I was cringing at Britney's
story about Olivia coming over to talk to her and
she had Jared there and they were making out.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
Olivia brought that up. It started with Brittany talking about
giving her a childhood memory that she didn't remember, and
I think when she was four, when she was four,
And I think Olivia maybe it was nice of her
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to hear a childhood memory from her mother, because she
remembers her mother in a way that she was the
best mom till I was twelve. She was always there.
She was at everything. She was at every event, every
school play, everything there was she played with us, that's
my mom, that was my mom, and I know it's
in there. I I'm Tamra, I'm not okay. I can't
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talk about this. I'm not equipped to talk about this.
So I'm gonna let you take it from here, because
this is I don't understand it. I'm sick over it.
I'm sick.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
You and me, both you and me both because this
girl wants so badly, Olivia so badly, to have a
relationship with her mother, and her mother just keeps saying
things like I failed, I'm miserable, you know, being there
for my kids, and I like, it's this total opposite
(48:50):
of the situation that I've had to deal with, the
total opposite. My children were alienating and told things that
we're so disgusting that now two of my children don't
speak to their father because now they're older and they
(49:13):
are disgusted by the things that they were told. My
other daughter, when I see her, I have seen her recently,
very kind and very sweet girl. But we're not back
to where we should be. And I would give anything
to have that conversation that Brittany had with her daughter,
(49:37):
and to sit there and her daughter to say the
things she.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
Said Olivia said, get to know me, MO, get to
know me MO, and Brittany is just like given up.
She's like, it's so far gone.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
It's opposite for me. It's in my situation.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
I want to say to Brittany, you never stop fighting
for your kids. Never the fact that Olivia came to you.
You still can have a relationship moving forward. She's embracing it.
She's saying, mom, get to know me, and you're like,
I don't, just I don't know where to start. And
(50:18):
Olivia is saying, Mom, put your kids first for once
and get to know me. And this is you know what, Brittany,
don't give up on this. You could still do this
for both of you.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
You've lost so much.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
I get it. This girl had to go to her
father to talk about her periods and she's like, yeah,
that wasn't great, ma, And you're like, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
She's lucky her daughter still speaks to her.
Speaker 3 (50:46):
There's a chance you still can do this if you wanted, Brittany,
how about gravel crawl, lick the bottom of her sneaker,
lay on the floor and say walk on me. Do
whatever you have to do to feel better. And I'm
here and from here on and in your life. I'm
gonna be here only if you mean it, because this
girl is so afraid that you're going to hurt her again.
(51:09):
When she was in between her jobs and took the
thirty minutes she had to come see you. Whatever scumbag
boyfriend you had that walked in the scumbag fucking room
right and fucking made out with you in front of her,
What are you doing, I'm bag guy. Okay, Okay, that's
in the past.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
Well, she was sending a message to poor Olivia that
she's not important.
Speaker 3 (51:32):
Whoever that guy is. You know, Brittany, if you're broken,
I get it, but unbreak yourself and you have a
chance something.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
And I don't want I don't do that want to.
I do not want to mom shame anybody.
Speaker 3 (51:48):
I'm not mom shaming her.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
And this is a situation where I've done a lot
of research. I did a short movie, like a little
documentary on it, and have met with people that have
gone through the same thing. It's more common than you
know that a child at a certain age will turn
on a parent and just go on with your life.
(52:11):
Now you have to understand there's a history on my
ex's side. Of the family of doing that. Like my family,
we will fight. It's you know, family's not easy.
Speaker 3 (52:25):
But I just here's the start of this. What I'm
saying is Brittany didn't deny what happened with Jared that day.
She She's like, I'm just sorry.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
He should have never been there.
Speaker 3 (52:41):
It was a happened. It happens. You know, sometimes you're vulnerable.
I'm not I'm not mom shaming Brittany because I mean,
I cannot bee. I'm not gonna bad mouth her. I'm
just gonna say to you, Brittany, you know what you did.
You feel guilty. I think you feel so guilty, Like
does it cut so deep that you can't even cry
(53:03):
or fix it or what? But you're if you don't
see this, Brittany, this Olivia is sitting in front of
you saying, get to know me. You need to say,
where do I start? What do you want from me?
How can I do it? Let me start now?
Speaker 2 (53:18):
But how brave of her to do this.
Speaker 3 (53:20):
She's a strong girl. She wants to forgive her mother,
which is so hard to do. She wants her mother
to get to know her, but she is definitely afraid
of her mother turning hunter again for another for a guy.
And you know what, Brittany, to your credit, if you
don't think you can do that, then don't start this.
(53:41):
Don't go here, don't no. I think it would be
worse for her to hurt Olivia again in that way
than to not do it at all.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
That was a tough scene. I mean, I have to
give them both credit for sharing this conversation. For me personally,
I pray for them.
Speaker 3 (54:02):
I want to pray for them. They broke my heart.
It broke my heart.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
I don't know I could do it.
Speaker 3 (54:08):
I I couldn't even live through watching it. I got
very upset. I'm still upset and hours and hours ago.
Speaker 2 (54:19):
So you think that Brittany was so nervous that the
things that were coming out of her mouth just weren't
the right things to say.
Speaker 3 (54:29):
I don't think that Brittany has the wherewithal to handle this.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
I think she's because he's so sorry.
Speaker 3 (54:38):
She's like she said to me, shouldn'tay to me, sid
to Olivia. I don't know, or in her confessional so
one of them said, she said, I don't know how
to fix this. I think it's so bad. I think
what I did was so bad you can't. Living with
guilt is probably the worst thing.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
Well, then get help as a parent, is well. I
say that nervous situation because Spencer, at a young age teenage,
hadn't seen his dad for a while, and we sat
down at Starbucks and all I ever wanted was the
other kids to reconnect with her dad. It wasn't the
(55:18):
other way around. It wasn't him wanting her to That's
how I felt. I never felt like he wanted Sydney
to reconnect with me. Now, of course, this was ten
years ago, maybe even longer. And the first thing Simon
said to Spencer, wow, you have acne, just like your
(55:39):
sister had it. And after people are not parents. And
afterwards I said to him, you know when the kids
were you know, over the phone, why would you do that?
Speaker 3 (55:54):
Like?
Speaker 2 (55:54):
Is that your icebreaker? He's like, I just got nervous.
I didn't know what to say.
Speaker 3 (55:59):
I believe that it's not okay to tell you the truth.
I can't move on from that scene. You can finish
this meredth Meredith and how they go on this walk
and they're like, oh look how beautiful. It's just looks
cold and dreary and dim to me. Because I was
so broken from the scene before this. I don't know
what they said. I wasn't interested in what they had
(56:21):
to say.
Speaker 2 (56:22):
I it was just more gossip shit, you know, is
Angie feeding information about you know, the Meredith of it all.
And it's just like after that scene, very une, just
exactly and doesn't make that much like it doesn't give
that much of a punch. Yeah, you know, it's it's
(56:48):
just so hard. And then Whitney, Mary and Angie hangout.
Whitney talks about Brahmin's allegations of identity theft and Whitney
hasn't heard from her. And here we go, Whitney bringing
up alligation about Bronwell and legal issues. It wasn't Lisa,
but if Lisa brought them up, she'd be called a
nasty bitch digging up shit and we can't trust her.
Speaker 3 (57:10):
Well, isn't it the world a double standard? Haven't we
always said this? Well, here's the thing, that's all good,
But now we got another thing to look at. Bronwin's
these allegations about Bronwin, holy shit.
Speaker 2 (57:25):
And Todd did not help her out whatsoever. As they're
sitting down talking about it, Bromwin says everything that happened
was over ten years ago and was dismissed. She says
that she can't legally if it's dismissed, why can't you
legally talk about it? And why before she met him?
Speaker 3 (57:40):
After she met him, why.
Speaker 2 (57:41):
I don't know, but it was it was sealed, and
I don't know why it was sealed. If it's dismissed,
why can't you talk about it. Todd is concerned these
allegations are now going to affect his career. He doesn't
want to go well, doesn't want her to go on
the yacht either, because he knows it will end in
a fight between Bromwin and Lisa. I don't know what.
Probably I would imagine Bronwin thinks Lisa is starting these rumors,
(58:03):
or at least perpetuating them. The rumors, by the way,
these rumors were on Reddit, these rumors were on social media.
So is it her fault if Lisa did bring it up? No,
that's what we do on this show.
Speaker 3 (58:18):
No one was on Lisa's side enough to say this.
You're the only one saying it.
Speaker 2 (58:22):
Well, there's just one thing Todd said that really made
me sick to you when he said, I wouldn't know.
Speaker 3 (58:32):
I wouldn't piss on her brain if it was on fire.
Speaker 2 (58:36):
Yeah, I'm like bron Win blink twice. If in you're
in trouble, We'll come get you. We'll come get you.
But it was a doozy of an.
Speaker 3 (58:46):
Episode, to be guys.
Speaker 2 (58:52):
You know, I got a lot of messages because I asked, like,
what were your thoughts on the show, And you know,
there's people like, oh, Lisa needs just and I'm like,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (59:02):
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (59:03):
Lisa's getting a bad wrap. No, she is runs with stuff.
Said Todd seems completely checked out. Jessica McCoy twenty seven.
Brittany's daughter is begging for her attention. Was it was
so Olivia.
Speaker 3 (59:18):
Olivia is so strong that reels beautiful. She's tall, she's
i know, beautifuler than her mom. Olivia, if you hear this,
I just want to tell you, just want to give
you all the lug and respect for you, how you
handled this and the woman that you are and.
Speaker 2 (59:35):
What you've come to be.
Speaker 3 (59:36):
So I give you a lot of credit for the
forgiveness you have for your mom and for still wanting
a relationship for her. And that's the right thing to
do even for yourself, because hate and resentment is an
anchor in your life.
Speaker 2 (59:48):
I know, I know, well Will Garnette, he says, Mary's
fight over a fart. We'll go down in Bravo history.
Oh my god, but ye have that was it?
Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
It was?
Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
It was packed full of a lot of a.
Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
Lot of stuff. We unpacked a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
All right, Well, okay, guys, well thanks for I have to.
Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
Pray for them. I mean a lot of people say
I'll pray for you. I'm really going to pray for
Olivia today. I really am pro.
Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
I mean, I hope that.
Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
My heartbreaks kids and animals. It's my weakness of older
bitches fighting. I don't really give a fuck. I watched
them fight all day. I fight all day. Yeah, suck
a dick, scout, dick.
Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Bye bye
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