December 12, 2025 • 27 mins
Dolores and Ivar reminisce on their “frenemy” relationship in the castle and how their friendship has grown since.
Did you know that this wasn’t Ivar’s first reality TV show?! He tells us why he did Traitors and what his family expected the outcome to be.
Wells realizes there was a moment where he could’ve sent Ivar home to save himself! If that had happened, could Wells have won, just like Ivar?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, welcome in all you Faithfuls and Traders from
the episode of By Order of the Faithful's Interview edition,
where we have cast members from past seasons on. Very
excited to do this episode. Dolores, we talked about it earlier,
but congratulations again for your new engagement. Can we see
(00:23):
the rock or are we not showing that? How does
that work?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
You could see it? But it downstairs. I can get
it for you if you want. It's worth wearing it. No,
I just my fingers are all swollen from Can I get.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
It for you? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Go get it full time. I'm going to make Paul
bring it up.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yeah, make yeah, put to work, put them to work. Well, listen,
I think I've seen it prior and I remember it
being very very large, almost something that royal might give
to you. And speaking of today, on the show, we
have lad I Va Mountain Batten, a British aristocrat, geologist,
(01:02):
events based host and a man who is casually related
to King Charles one Trader's season three, alongside the beautiful
and newly engaged Dolores Catania.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Lord Ivor is considered the first openly gay member of
the British royal family. In Crown history. He's an awesome
guy for the couple of days that I got to
hang out with him. Please, welcome to the show, Lord
Iva Ai.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Guys, we're so excited to see you.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Oh it's so lonely to see you. Wells, I wouldn't
have recognized you with your beanie on.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not wearing a waistcoat and a
pea coat and all the stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Listen, it's very cold. It's it's seventy degrees of Los Angeles.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
It's very cold, is it God? You should be here.
It's freezing, the fire going and everything.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
What time is it by castle?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
It is quarter to eight in the evening?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Oh lovely?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, and how's James? I have to ask, how's your
lovely beautiful husband?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
He is next door? He said? Shall I come and
say hello? Yes?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
He should.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
He wanted to come and say hello.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Of course I do.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Hold on, okay. Oh, and there's the ring. Congratulations that James, Hello, darling.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I needed to see that handsome face. How are you?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Congratulations?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Oh I got engaged? Yes, thank you.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
That put that up to the not that you need
to Oh my god, a statement. I'm blonde.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
That's a Jersey girl ring.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
I wanted to like candles all around here, but he said,
I'm not that gay. I'm not that gay anyway, I'm cooking.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Oh okay, are you cooking?
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Oh my god, gorgeous to see you think he's myself.
I don't know what it is. It's going to be
a surprise, surprised.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I love you. Good to see you, sweetheart.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Well, I'm sorry you haven't met James, had you?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I know, I just I wanted to say hello, and
I you know, I had heard so much about him
in the castle. But it was lovely to you know.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
A unique character is Anita Looris.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
He certainly is.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
He's like I don't know, he's like very much like you,
but a spicier version of you, Like you're much more
laid back, and he could get he gets like you know.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I don't know how he would have done in the
castle ever, Oh.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
God, it would have been hysterical. But he would have well,
I don't know, interesting one. Because he's so likable. People
would have just kept him in there.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
They would have loved him. But he would have told
a lot of people off.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah, I think he would have pitched the gaze off.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
That's for sure.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Let's talk about the season a little bit. You know,
I got two winners here of season three hanging out.
I'm wondering, how did you go about coming into the game.
What was your gameplay? What was your idea? Did you
stick to it or did you have to pivot? Tell
us what you were thinking about coming into the game.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Interesting, Well, I think you probably remember. I think Sam
mentioned that my daughter had suggested that I put into
chat Ebt strategies for playing for winning Traders and it
wasn't that helpful, but I mean it was clearly you know,
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it listed a number of items, keeping a low profile,
forming alliances and all of that sort of stuff, and
I guess I tried to do that. But it was
the first it was the first mission. You remember, they're
rowing across the across the lock. Yes, clearly. I think
(05:11):
I was the only person who'd ever rode a Viking longboat. Yeah.
It was a bit of a ship show, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Well, I was.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
I thought you were the like I thought that was
something that you would have grown up doing, like you
would know, but you knew as much as we did.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
It was And I mean I've done a lot of
rowing in my youth and et cetera. But I kind
of put my head above the water and said we
needed to we needed we needed to keep the muscle
on board. Do you remember, Oh.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah, how could we agreed with you?
Speaker 3 (05:52):
That went down like a lead balloon with some people.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yeah, Dinda, Durinda took exception to that, and I think
a lot.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
I tell you what Derinda did is she did. I
don't think she took exception to that, particularly that the
two that took real exception was Bob the drag Queen
and Bob Harper. Bob Harper jumped up like a scolded
cat and basically said, how could he possibly sit next
to somebody so sexist and whatever? Ran off, And I
(06:23):
didn't know at the point why he ran off, but
he scuttled to the back of the of the boat
or the front of the boat, I don't know, but
he didn't want to sit next to me. Anyway. What
happened with Derinda was because she got off onto the
onto the pontoons, and of course we all know that
(06:45):
they were left out there for well at least another
hour after.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
We at least I was on it with her.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah, So I think that's right. I forgot you were
on with her. I think when you know it was
I think it was clearly a production play. When we
got back, they said help yourself to supper. So of
course we did what we were told, and.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
That didn't go over well with her.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
And then you guys rocked up, and you know some
of the good stuff had been clearly eaten at that point. Well,
you were with us, was you?
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I was.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I was steering the boat. I don't know if you remember,
you remember with Sierra? Yeah, And so I say the
same thing.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I remember saying the same.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Thing of like, we didn't we were eating because we
didn't want you guys to eat. We were told to eat.
You can't be mad.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
What you both don't realize is when a housewife is
going off like that, you need to let them calm down.
You cannot ration with emotion, so I've learned over my
ten years. Otherwise things just escalate. You let them go
oh and get all the poison out and then you
speak to them.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
But she was fine, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I mean, hindsight is an exact science, isn't it. I
didn't know that. Being the only brit I hadn't dealt
with you guys before. So basically she came in and
called me ungentlemanly, and that's a bit of a red
laud to a bull. So I wasn't gonna. I wasn't
gonna stand by and let that one go by. So
(08:27):
that's why that escalated. But you know, I know full
world that, you know, everything is ultimately done for a
bit of effect.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
No, that was her, that was okay, that's most Housewives.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
It's so interesting to watch this season back because really
the difference between winning and losing is razor thin. At
the first UH round table, I got four votes, Robin
got four votes, Iver got four votes, and I was thinking,
as we were watching it back, if I had just
(09:11):
voted for ever, you would have gone home and I
would have been safe. But that's not what happened, and
you ended up winning.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Yeah, you know, I thought about it because I just
watched We just had the first celebrity series here in
the UK, and I watched that and I got to
the end, and I was so excited that once the
final happened, you know, it was all watching them around.
(09:40):
They It was slightly different this year. They had the
round table or the ring of the the cauldron of
fire in the chapel this year in the UK. Yeah,
it wasn't outside, so they redid jigged the chapela. Well
the chapel, I mean the round table room, and that's
(10:01):
where the final was held. And it brought back all
of that excitement of us standing around the cauldrons.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Remember, tell us more about that would have felt like
to you?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Well, emotion wise, what was it? What were you feeling
in your gut?
Speaker 3 (10:18):
I was a little surprised. I mean I couldn't get
over the fact that we were all there. I mean,
you know, it was, as I said, it was a
huge amount of luck. And and do you remember on
the second last round table it was neck and neck
with not not you sorry Darling.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Danielle, Danielle, Danielle and you it.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Yeah, and it was just again another fluke that that
Danielle lost and I was there. So you know, it's
a huge amount of luck. I don't think there was
an awful lot of strategy really going on. I fuck,
half the time I didn't know what the hell I
was doing.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Both of us.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Actually, Iver, you thought I was trader, I had you said,
statistically wise, Laura's has to be a trader because she's
a housewife.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
I mean, that's that's where it started from. I said, statistically,
there were a number of housewives there for one really
ought to be a trader, and then you kept voting
for me, So that's sort of well, you.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Know, I'm sorry, but we were friends. We were friends,
and we won together, which is which is what matters.
And then in the end, you know, I mean, I
can't believe.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
It getting back to the round, you know, the cauldron.
After watching the UK Final, I got all of those
emotions kept came back, so I really wanted to revisit
our final and I watched the whole thing. So it
was about midnight by the time I got to bed
because I was so I was so keyed up and
(11:51):
I wanted to watch our final and relive it again.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Oh so you did, and it isn't that exciting? That
that really is? And did you ever think when you.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Got to that that you would have won?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
No? I mean I was just playing, you know, like
all of us, we were playing day by day, weren't
we really, but we were a lot of you. I mean,
did you not, Dolores go back and make notes and
things like that?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Never?
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Never, No, I didn't see that. I mean, I was
so tired by the time we got back, I just
went straight to sleep.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
And I'm not a strategist. I want my strategy was
to win the trust of everyone as much as I could,
but not to not to I wasn't a gamer.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
The only time in the very end was I did.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Go back and I wrote down all the points on
how I wanted to get Tom Sandoval out and try
to convince everyone at the breakfast table how he should be.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Murdered, and then when I got there, he was murdered.
So the only time I did it was pretty much useless.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Yeah. Well, after the row with Derinda, I realized I
really had to keep a low profile because that didn't
help me at all because clearly.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Because you faught with her and then she died.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Yeah. Yeah, the first round table, you know, nobody really
had any idea who to vote for, and ultimately, you know,
people were just picking people that had irritated them or
some little thing that they had done, you know, meant
that they got to vote. So clearly it was very
(13:24):
important to sort of calm it down and be a
little bit more And then Bob the drag Queen as
you know, voted for me every time. I know, I know,
two round tables he voted for me, and then on
the third one, I think he was out, wasn't he.
I think that was one of the real lucky strikes
I had, in the fact that it was clear that
(13:47):
I was a faithful right from the word go.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
He did you an absolute favorite. But what people don't
know is this is not your first reality show. See,
I know, because we're friends.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
I've had a couple before I did. I did one
with bear Grills in twenty nineteen. We had a program
called The Island, which I think was a little bit
like Survivor, but effectively they dumped a bear, took us
to an island in the Bay of Panama and dumped
us on that there were twelve of us, and that
(14:21):
he just gave us five liters of water and we
had to survive for five weeks.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Crazy.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
It was a lot of fun. But yeah, are clothes?
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Were you naked?
Speaker 3 (14:34):
No? It was boys and girls, weren't.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
We have a show here called Naked and Afraid and
boys and girls are naked together.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Right, Yeah, but I think there's just a pair of them,
isn't it. Yeah? Yeah, I mean it would have been
this was slightly you know, there was there was ten
twelve of us and you know the age range was
from seventy two to oh wow, yeah, I know, so
it wouldn't have been a pretty sight.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
So you know, they've announced that Trader Season four is
coming out for US Americans early next year. You live
in this kind of like wonderful in between, right, like
you could do UK Traders or now you can do
US Traders. If you were invited back for either of those,
would you do it? And which one would you rather do?
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Well? God, it's a very good question. First of all,
I don't think I would go back, because you know,
I think you've got to leave on a high, don't you.
And I don't think you can't. You can't beat winning,
can you? Delouis? Oh?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I would I pray to go back. I'm like Carolyn
used to.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Yeah, Carolyn used to sleep with a cloak on and
I sleep just dreaming about it. I would go back,
and it was the best time of my life ever.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
I really really was. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah, but what the likelihood of you winning a second
time is quite slim? Really, don't you think? I think
people would jump on you straight away?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
I know, and you know what, I'm okay with that,
just to get there and to be in the castle again,
even just for a second. But after competing this and
doing all this, you came home to James and Penny
and your girls, and what did everyone say to you?
They couldn't have thought you were going to win.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Well, I have a big house in the country, and
we have a lot of staff, and they were all
on their mobile phones looking to see when the reception
came back. So they realized I'd clearly gone quite a
long way, because clearly, if you were out sadly like
(16:48):
you wells, you know, your mobile fo reception came on
pretty quickly. Yeah, your family knew that you on your
way home. Yeah, leave.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
My wife said when I called her, she goes, have
you guys not started yet?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
And I said, we did.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Oh no, that's so sad.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
I missed that contagious laugh.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Ever, so they all knew that I've done pretty well,
but it was quite difficult not to say anything to
any of them. Yeah, that's tough because you know, as
you know, you had what we filmed it in June.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Oh yeah, it took forever.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
So that was quite a while to keep Mom, wasn't it?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
It was I had to forget about it.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah, you guys just said that. You know, like going back.
You think you get kicked out quickly because you have won.
But what if they did like an all Star season
with only winners, then it becomes a level playing field.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yeah, now that that I would go back for if
it was all winners, And definitely you'd have to.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
And yeah, and make you come back either. I wouldn't
want to do it without you ever again. It would
not be the same, But it wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Be the same because there would be so many more alliances,
wouldn't there.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
There would be there would be a trust that we
would walk in having with each other that we didn't
have last time. So that's a really really good point
now from all the people that we've seen come and
go right to the end, because you and I were
at the end together outside of Wells, who do.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
You think left earlier and went home? That should have won?
Our stayed longer.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Derinda, I think she went. I don't know why she
went so quickly. Why was it.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
They wanted to get rid of the housewives. It was
like housewife hunters.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Oh yeah, Bob, the drag Queen wanted he put a
target on that housewives, and so did Danielle had an
issue with them as well, not Caroline, and that's yeah sost.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Day anyway, because she had irritated me, so.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
She had to irritate you. Yeah, she did well.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
She she had irritated a lot of people. That was
my whole argument was I thought we were all we
all thought she was a trader because she got so
angry and that we were all going to banish her
that night, and then they killed her and I was like, oh,
that makes no sense. We were going to do it,
do it for them, you know, my last question.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
So we didn't vote her out. She was She was
actually murdered.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
She was murdered the first night. Yeah, so that's why
people thought you could.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Have been the trader because the last person she fought
with was you.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
You would figure would have murdered her.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Right, Yeah, Okay, here's my last question, because you guys
have had such a unique ending to the show where
you had a lot of faithful's win if when I
was watching it back, I was thinking if I was
in your guys's shoes, I would be nervous that because
there were so many of you guys left that the
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odds are that one of you guys would have been
a trader and then would have stolen the money. Was
there ever any thought in your mind either that one
of the final people there was a trader.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
You can never be one hundred.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Percent certain only if you're a trader exactly.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
But I mean I was fairly sure Dylan was, was faithful,
faithful I was going to say straight, Maybe.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
I'm fairly certainly straight as well.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Yeah, I was fairly sure Dylan was. I mean because
right from the word go we had a sort of well,
I mean, you know, I like to think we had,
but clearly Dylan also fancied Bob Boston Robb, didn't he.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Oh for sure?
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Yeah, a little romance. So I think probably the most
the one I was least sure of was you Delores,
really like from the word go. But and then who
was our fourth person?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Gabby?
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Yeah, Gabby. But actually, you know, I think on that
last roundtable we sort of had this you know, alliance,
alliance that you know, it would be a bit miserable
to vote somebody else out just for you know, five
thousand more dollars or something like that, because by the
time you know, taxes, yeah, and all of that. You know,
(21:41):
we're very lucky in the UK. We don't pay tax
on winnings. Oh nice, So so that was for me,
that was all tax free.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
So what we paid Scotland taxes and I paid New
Jersey taxes as well.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Oh really, god, I know my tax is due at
the end of the month. So I haven't paid anything
yet for last year.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Oh, don't spend it, what's not yours. We get in
trouble for that.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Yeah, I think we had, you know, we were once
we got rid of Brittany. We were fairly sure that
we were all faithful. But as you said, never be,
never really know, and of course, you know production they
the last person that had to reveal himself was of
(22:33):
course stillan and so we were all thinking Christ. Yeah, but.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
If I could speak for both of us and a
Gabby it as well. At the time, we were just
you know, I think and I remember, and we could
end it on the most beautiful note because you said
the nicest thing ever when we were around that fire pit.
You said I would rather lose than vote out another friend. Yeah,
(23:02):
you basically said something I don't know the exact burbage
of what you said. But if you can try to
remember what that was.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
God doesn't that doesn't sound like me at all. He's
sure it wasn't somebody else.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Maybe, Dylan, No, I think you said that.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
You said that, I'm here with you know, friends, and
I think we've sent enough people home who we were
close with and wrong about something to the fact that
at this point I'd hate to send another friend homesh.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I mean, that was all the way through. You know,
it was much nicer that we finish all together and
for the sake of another five ten thousand dollars or whatever,
what was the point, you know, because then you create
such animosity for what you know. It may make good
TV if you delete one other person, but you know
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that's not really very nice, is it.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
That was now nothing, not any characteristic of either one
of us winners. It was a beautiful way to end it,
since it ended terribly the season before when they voted
out MJ at the very last bit, and that was
really hard.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I hated to see that.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
But yeah, I wouldn't have changed any experience I had
there in including winning with you Dylan and Gabby.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Yeah, and have you. I actually just go back to MJ.
Have you spoken to MJ?
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Or how does he I was just with her yesterday.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Right, and how does she feel about that being voted
out at the very last minute? She wasn't.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah, yeah, she's still not over it. Yeah, yeah, how
could she be?
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Yeah? No, I agree absolutely. And of course you had
the benefit of really knowing that series much more than
I did, so that probably stuck in your mind much
more as well.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
It absolutely did I and it really hit me hard
to watch it before I even got to you know,
when I binge these things and I saw that that
had happened. I think that was a I don't think
I would have done anything differently whether I saw that
or not, and not like that type of a greedy
not that that's greedy, but it's my way. But yeah,
I think you should go watch it, Iver, and that'll
(25:20):
make you appreciate even more, even more what you and
I and and Dylan and Gabby did.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
So. Yeah, No, I thought it was a lovely ending.
My only concern was what the wider audience might have perceived,
that it was kind of boring. But actually, you know,
I'm sure we all asked a lot of people and
everybody seemed to think it was the perfect ending in
many ways.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
It was well received, so you know here as well,
so well.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
It Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
It was fun to watch from the sidelines. Lovely to
have you on the show, iv Or. I'm very excited
for Trader's Season ten All Stars, for you and Dolores
to come back and to win some more money, and
for you not to be taxed on it. Enjoy your
bangers in mash this evening.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
So lovely to see you.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Thank you, jeers, cheers.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Oh what a sweet guy. I'm glad that. I'm glad
that you guys won so much money together.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Well he it seems like he won more than us,
but okay.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
I know, you know, listen, it's just it warms my
heart to know that the money went to someone who
really needed.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
It, you know, well, you know he you're such a prick.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Yes, the royal guy really from his from his estate
with as many staff members really needed.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
When they finally got yeah, when they were checking his phone,
when the staff members finally got to see he got
more service on his phone, they were able to know.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Yeah, they all they all cheered because they got a
big old bonus.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
I hope at the end of the year.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
All right, everyone out there, thanks so much for listening
to By Order of the Faithfuls.
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season three,
All right, welcome in all you Faithfuls and Traders from
the episode of By Order of the Faithful's Interview edition,
where we have cast members from past seasons on. Very
excited to do this episode. Dolores, we talked about it earlier,
but congratulations again for your new engagement. Can we see
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the rock or are we not showing that? How does
that work?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
You could see it? But it downstairs. I can get
it for you if you want. It's worth wearing it. No,
I just my fingers are all swollen from Can I get.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
It for you? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Go get it full time. I'm going to make Paul
bring it up.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yeah, make yeah, put to work, put them to work. Well, listen,
I think I've seen it prior and I remember it
being very very large, almost something that royal might give
to you. And speaking of today, on the show, we
have lad I Va Mountain Batten, a British aristocrat, geologist,
(01:02):
events based host and a man who is casually related
to King Charles one Trader's season three, alongside the beautiful
and newly engaged Dolores Catania.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Lord Ivor is considered the first openly gay member of
the British royal family. In Crown history. He's an awesome
guy for the couple of days that I got to
hang out with him. Please, welcome to the show, Lord
Iva Ai.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Guys, we're so excited to see you.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Oh it's so lonely to see you. Wells, I wouldn't
have recognized you with your beanie on.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not wearing a waistcoat and a
pea coat and all the stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Listen, it's very cold. It's it's seventy degrees of Los Angeles.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
It's very cold, is it God? You should be here.
It's freezing, the fire going and everything.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
What time is it by castle?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
It is quarter to eight in the evening?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Oh lovely?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, and how's James? I have to ask, how's your
lovely beautiful husband?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
He is next door? He said? Shall I come and
say hello? Yes?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
He should.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
He wanted to come and say hello.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Of course I do.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Hold on, okay. Oh, and there's the ring. Congratulations that James, Hello, darling.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I needed to see that handsome face. How are you?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Congratulations?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Oh I got engaged? Yes, thank you.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
That put that up to the not that you need
to Oh my god, a statement. I'm blonde.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
That's a Jersey girl ring.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
I wanted to like candles all around here, but he said,
I'm not that gay. I'm not that gay anyway, I'm cooking.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Oh okay, are you cooking?
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Oh my god, gorgeous to see you think he's myself.
I don't know what it is. It's going to be
a surprise, surprised.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I love you. Good to see you, sweetheart.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Well, I'm sorry you haven't met James, had you?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I know, I just I wanted to say hello, and
I you know, I had heard so much about him
in the castle. But it was lovely to you know.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
A unique character is Anita Looris.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
He certainly is.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
He's like I don't know, he's like very much like you,
but a spicier version of you, Like you're much more
laid back, and he could get he gets like you know.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I don't know how he would have done in the
castle ever, Oh.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
God, it would have been hysterical. But he would have well,
I don't know, interesting one. Because he's so likable. People
would have just kept him in there.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
They would have loved him. But he would have told
a lot of people off.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah, I think he would have pitched the gaze off.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
That's for sure.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Let's talk about the season a little bit. You know,
I got two winners here of season three hanging out.
I'm wondering, how did you go about coming into the game.
What was your gameplay? What was your idea? Did you
stick to it or did you have to pivot? Tell
us what you were thinking about coming into the game.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Interesting, Well, I think you probably remember. I think Sam
mentioned that my daughter had suggested that I put into
chat Ebt strategies for playing for winning Traders and it
wasn't that helpful, but I mean it was clearly you know,
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it listed a number of items, keeping a low profile,
forming alliances and all of that sort of stuff, and
I guess I tried to do that. But it was
the first it was the first mission. You remember, they're
rowing across the across the lock. Yes, clearly. I think
(05:11):
I was the only person who'd ever rode a Viking longboat. Yeah.
It was a bit of a ship show, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Well, I was.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
I thought you were the like I thought that was
something that you would have grown up doing, like you
would know, but you knew as much as we did.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
It was And I mean I've done a lot of
rowing in my youth and et cetera. But I kind
of put my head above the water and said we
needed to we needed we needed to keep the muscle
on board. Do you remember, Oh.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah, how could we agreed with you?
Speaker 3 (05:52):
That went down like a lead balloon with some people.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yeah, Dinda, Durinda took exception to that, and I think
a lot.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
I tell you what Derinda did is she did. I
don't think she took exception to that, particularly that the
two that took real exception was Bob the drag Queen
and Bob Harper. Bob Harper jumped up like a scolded
cat and basically said, how could he possibly sit next
to somebody so sexist and whatever? Ran off, And I
(06:23):
didn't know at the point why he ran off, but
he scuttled to the back of the of the boat
or the front of the boat, I don't know, but
he didn't want to sit next to me. Anyway. What
happened with Derinda was because she got off onto the
onto the pontoons, and of course we all know that
(06:45):
they were left out there for well at least another
hour after.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
We at least I was on it with her.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah, So I think that's right. I forgot you were
on with her. I think when you know it was
I think it was clearly a production play. When we
got back, they said help yourself to supper. So of
course we did what we were told, and.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
That didn't go over well with her.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
And then you guys rocked up, and you know some
of the good stuff had been clearly eaten at that point. Well,
you were with us, was you?
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I was.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I was steering the boat. I don't know if you remember,
you remember with Sierra? Yeah, And so I say the
same thing.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I remember saying the same.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Thing of like, we didn't we were eating because we
didn't want you guys to eat. We were told to eat.
You can't be mad.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
What you both don't realize is when a housewife is
going off like that, you need to let them calm down.
You cannot ration with emotion, so I've learned over my
ten years. Otherwise things just escalate. You let them go
oh and get all the poison out and then you
speak to them.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
But she was fine, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I mean, hindsight is an exact science, isn't it. I
didn't know that. Being the only brit I hadn't dealt
with you guys before. So basically she came in and
called me ungentlemanly, and that's a bit of a red
laud to a bull. So I wasn't gonna. I wasn't
gonna stand by and let that one go by. So
(08:27):
that's why that escalated. But you know, I know full
world that, you know, everything is ultimately done for a
bit of effect.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
No, that was her, that was okay, that's most Housewives.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
It's so interesting to watch this season back because really
the difference between winning and losing is razor thin. At
the first UH round table, I got four votes, Robin
got four votes, Iver got four votes, and I was thinking,
as we were watching it back, if I had just
(09:11):
voted for ever, you would have gone home and I
would have been safe. But that's not what happened, and
you ended up winning.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Yeah, you know, I thought about it because I just
watched We just had the first celebrity series here in
the UK, and I watched that and I got to
the end, and I was so excited that once the
final happened, you know, it was all watching them around.
(09:40):
They It was slightly different this year. They had the
round table or the ring of the the cauldron of
fire in the chapel this year in the UK. Yeah,
it wasn't outside, so they redid jigged the chapela. Well
the chapel, I mean the round table room, and that's
(10:01):
where the final was held. And it brought back all
of that excitement of us standing around the cauldrons.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Remember, tell us more about that would have felt like
to you?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Well, emotion wise, what was it? What were you feeling
in your gut?
Speaker 3 (10:18):
I was a little surprised. I mean I couldn't get
over the fact that we were all there. I mean,
you know, it was, as I said, it was a
huge amount of luck. And and do you remember on
the second last round table it was neck and neck
with not not you sorry Darling.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Danielle, Danielle, Danielle and you it.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Yeah, and it was just again another fluke that that
Danielle lost and I was there. So you know, it's
a huge amount of luck. I don't think there was
an awful lot of strategy really going on. I fuck,
half the time I didn't know what the hell I
was doing.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Both of us.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Actually, Iver, you thought I was trader, I had you said,
statistically wise, Laura's has to be a trader because she's
a housewife.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
I mean, that's that's where it started from. I said, statistically,
there were a number of housewives there for one really
ought to be a trader, and then you kept voting
for me, So that's sort of well, you.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Know, I'm sorry, but we were friends. We were friends,
and we won together, which is which is what matters.
And then in the end, you know, I mean, I
can't believe.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
It getting back to the round, you know, the cauldron.
After watching the UK Final, I got all of those
emotions kept came back, so I really wanted to revisit
our final and I watched the whole thing. So it
was about midnight by the time I got to bed
because I was so I was so keyed up and
(11:51):
I wanted to watch our final and relive it again.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Oh so you did, and it isn't that exciting? That
that really is? And did you ever think when you.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Got to that that you would have won?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
No? I mean I was just playing, you know, like
all of us, we were playing day by day, weren't
we really, but we were a lot of you. I mean,
did you not, Dolores go back and make notes and
things like that?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Never?
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Never, No, I didn't see that. I mean, I was
so tired by the time we got back, I just
went straight to sleep.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
And I'm not a strategist. I want my strategy was
to win the trust of everyone as much as I could,
but not to not to I wasn't a gamer.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
The only time in the very end was I did.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Go back and I wrote down all the points on
how I wanted to get Tom Sandoval out and try
to convince everyone at the breakfast table how he should be.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Murdered, and then when I got there, he was murdered.
So the only time I did it was pretty much useless.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Yeah. Well, after the row with Derinda, I realized I
really had to keep a low profile because that didn't
help me at all because clearly.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Because you faught with her and then she died.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Yeah. Yeah, the first round table, you know, nobody really
had any idea who to vote for, and ultimately, you know,
people were just picking people that had irritated them or
some little thing that they had done, you know, meant
that they got to vote. So clearly it was very
(13:24):
important to sort of calm it down and be a
little bit more And then Bob the drag Queen as
you know, voted for me every time. I know, I know,
two round tables he voted for me, and then on
the third one, I think he was out, wasn't he.
I think that was one of the real lucky strikes
I had, in the fact that it was clear that
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I was a faithful right from the word go.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
He did you an absolute favorite. But what people don't
know is this is not your first reality show. See,
I know, because we're friends.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
I've had a couple before I did. I did one
with bear Grills in twenty nineteen. We had a program
called The Island, which I think was a little bit
like Survivor, but effectively they dumped a bear, took us
to an island in the Bay of Panama and dumped
us on that there were twelve of us, and that
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he just gave us five liters of water and we
had to survive for five weeks.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Crazy.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
It was a lot of fun. But yeah, are clothes?
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Were you naked?
Speaker 3 (14:34):
No? It was boys and girls, weren't.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
We have a show here called Naked and Afraid and
boys and girls are naked together.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Right, Yeah, but I think there's just a pair of them,
isn't it. Yeah? Yeah, I mean it would have been
this was slightly you know, there was there was ten
twelve of us and you know the age range was
from seventy two to oh wow, yeah, I know, so
it wouldn't have been a pretty sight.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
So you know, they've announced that Trader Season four is
coming out for US Americans early next year. You live
in this kind of like wonderful in between, right, like
you could do UK Traders or now you can do
US Traders. If you were invited back for either of those,
would you do it? And which one would you rather do?
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Well? God, it's a very good question. First of all,
I don't think I would go back, because you know,
I think you've got to leave on a high, don't you.
And I don't think you can't. You can't beat winning,
can you? Delouis? Oh?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I would I pray to go back. I'm like Carolyn
used to.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Yeah, Carolyn used to sleep with a cloak on and
I sleep just dreaming about it. I would go back,
and it was the best time of my life ever.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
I really really was. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah, but what the likelihood of you winning a second
time is quite slim? Really, don't you think? I think
people would jump on you straight away?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
I know, and you know what, I'm okay with that,
just to get there and to be in the castle again,
even just for a second. But after competing this and
doing all this, you came home to James and Penny
and your girls, and what did everyone say to you?
They couldn't have thought you were going to win.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Well, I have a big house in the country, and
we have a lot of staff, and they were all
on their mobile phones looking to see when the reception
came back. So they realized I'd clearly gone quite a
long way, because clearly, if you were out sadly like
(16:48):
you wells, you know, your mobile fo reception came on
pretty quickly. Yeah, your family knew that you on your
way home. Yeah, leave.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
My wife said when I called her, she goes, have
you guys not started yet?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
And I said, we did.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Oh no, that's so sad.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
I missed that contagious laugh.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Ever, so they all knew that I've done pretty well,
but it was quite difficult not to say anything to
any of them. Yeah, that's tough because you know, as
you know, you had what we filmed it in June.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Oh yeah, it took forever.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
So that was quite a while to keep Mom, wasn't it?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
It was I had to forget about it.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah, you guys just said that. You know, like going back.
You think you get kicked out quickly because you have won.
But what if they did like an all Star season
with only winners, then it becomes a level playing field.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yeah, now that that I would go back for if
it was all winners, And definitely you'd have to.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
And yeah, and make you come back either. I wouldn't
want to do it without you ever again. It would
not be the same, But it wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Be the same because there would be so many more alliances,
wouldn't there.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
There would be there would be a trust that we
would walk in having with each other that we didn't
have last time. So that's a really really good point
now from all the people that we've seen come and
go right to the end, because you and I were
at the end together outside of Wells, who do.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
You think left earlier and went home? That should have won?
Our stayed longer.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Derinda, I think she went. I don't know why she
went so quickly. Why was it.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
They wanted to get rid of the housewives. It was
like housewife hunters.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Oh yeah, Bob, the drag Queen wanted he put a
target on that housewives, and so did Danielle had an
issue with them as well, not Caroline, and that's yeah sost.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Day anyway, because she had irritated me, so.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
She had to irritate you. Yeah, she did well.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
She she had irritated a lot of people. That was
my whole argument was I thought we were all we
all thought she was a trader because she got so
angry and that we were all going to banish her
that night, and then they killed her and I was like, oh,
that makes no sense. We were going to do it,
do it for them, you know, my last question.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
So we didn't vote her out. She was She was
actually murdered.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
She was murdered the first night. Yeah, so that's why
people thought you could.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Have been the trader because the last person she fought
with was you.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
You would figure would have murdered her.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Right, Yeah, Okay, here's my last question, because you guys
have had such a unique ending to the show where
you had a lot of faithful's win if when I
was watching it back, I was thinking if I was
in your guys's shoes, I would be nervous that because
there were so many of you guys left that the
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odds are that one of you guys would have been
a trader and then would have stolen the money. Was
there ever any thought in your mind either that one
of the final people there was a trader.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
You can never be one hundred.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Percent certain only if you're a trader exactly.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
But I mean I was fairly sure Dylan was, was faithful,
faithful I was going to say straight, Maybe.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
I'm fairly certainly straight as well.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Yeah, I was fairly sure Dylan was. I mean because
right from the word go we had a sort of well,
I mean, you know, I like to think we had,
but clearly Dylan also fancied Bob Boston Robb, didn't he.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Oh for sure?
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Yeah, a little romance. So I think probably the most
the one I was least sure of was you Delores,
really like from the word go. But and then who
was our fourth person?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Gabby?
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Yeah, Gabby. But actually, you know, I think on that
last roundtable we sort of had this you know, alliance,
alliance that you know, it would be a bit miserable
to vote somebody else out just for you know, five
thousand more dollars or something like that, because by the
time you know, taxes, yeah, and all of that. You know,
(21:41):
we're very lucky in the UK. We don't pay tax
on winnings. Oh nice, So so that was for me,
that was all tax free.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
So what we paid Scotland taxes and I paid New
Jersey taxes as well.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Oh really, god, I know my tax is due at
the end of the month. So I haven't paid anything
yet for last year.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Oh, don't spend it, what's not yours. We get in
trouble for that.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Yeah, I think we had, you know, we were once
we got rid of Brittany. We were fairly sure that
we were all faithful. But as you said, never be,
never really know, and of course, you know production they
the last person that had to reveal himself was of
(22:33):
course stillan and so we were all thinking Christ. Yeah, but.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
If I could speak for both of us and a
Gabby it as well. At the time, we were just
you know, I think and I remember, and we could
end it on the most beautiful note because you said
the nicest thing ever when we were around that fire pit.
You said I would rather lose than vote out another friend. Yeah,
(23:02):
you basically said something I don't know the exact burbage
of what you said. But if you can try to
remember what that was.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
God doesn't that doesn't sound like me at all. He's
sure it wasn't somebody else.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Maybe, Dylan, No, I think you said that.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
You said that, I'm here with you know, friends, and
I think we've sent enough people home who we were
close with and wrong about something to the fact that
at this point I'd hate to send another friend homesh.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I mean, that was all the way through. You know,
it was much nicer that we finish all together and
for the sake of another five ten thousand dollars or whatever,
what was the point, you know, because then you create
such animosity for what you know. It may make good
TV if you delete one other person, but you know
(23:55):
that's not really very nice, is it.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
That was now nothing, not any characteristic of either one
of us winners. It was a beautiful way to end it,
since it ended terribly the season before when they voted
out MJ at the very last bit, and that was
really hard.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I hated to see that.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
But yeah, I wouldn't have changed any experience I had
there in including winning with you Dylan and Gabby.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Yeah, and have you. I actually just go back to MJ.
Have you spoken to MJ?
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Or how does he I was just with her yesterday.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Right, and how does she feel about that being voted
out at the very last minute? She wasn't.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah, yeah, she's still not over it. Yeah, yeah, how
could she be?
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Yeah? No, I agree absolutely. And of course you had
the benefit of really knowing that series much more than
I did, so that probably stuck in your mind much
more as well.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
It absolutely did I and it really hit me hard
to watch it before I even got to you know,
when I binge these things and I saw that that
had happened. I think that was a I don't think
I would have done anything differently whether I saw that
or not, and not like that type of a greedy
not that that's greedy, but it's my way. But yeah,
I think you should go watch it, Iver, and that'll
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make you appreciate even more, even more what you and
I and and Dylan and Gabby did.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
So. Yeah, No, I thought it was a lovely ending.
My only concern was what the wider audience might have perceived,
that it was kind of boring. But actually, you know,
I'm sure we all asked a lot of people and
everybody seemed to think it was the perfect ending in
many ways.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
It was well received, so you know here as well,
so well.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
It Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
It was fun to watch from the sidelines. Lovely to
have you on the show, iv Or. I'm very excited
for Trader's Season ten All Stars, for you and Dolores
to come back and to win some more money, and
for you not to be taxed on it. Enjoy your
bangers in mash this evening.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
So lovely to see you.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Thank you, jeers, cheers.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Oh what a sweet guy. I'm glad that. I'm glad
that you guys won so much money together.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Well he it seems like he won more than us,
but okay.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
I know, you know, listen, it's just it warms my
heart to know that the money went to someone who
really needed.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
It, you know, well, you know he you're such a prick.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Yes, the royal guy really from his from his estate
with as many staff members really needed.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
When they finally got yeah, when they were checking his phone,
when the staff members finally got to see he got
more service on his phone, they were able to know.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Yeah, they all they all cheered because they got a
big old bonus.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
I hope at the end of the year.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
All right, everyone out there, thanks so much for listening
to By Order of the Faithfuls.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
If you're not following us.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
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