November 7, 2025 • 34 mins
This episode was the moment Dolores fell in love with the show, but what did she and Wells think of the controversial win?!
Dolores is one of the few who have made it to the fire of truth, so she tells us everything behind the scenes…
Plus, Wells reveals that this game is based off of a Russian case study. Statistically speaking, what should be the outcome of the next few seasons?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, welcome back all you Traders and faithfuls too.
By order of the faithfuls, I'm wells, Adams. I'm alongside
the beautiful Dolores Catania.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Ah, thank you, Wells.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
He's calling me beautiful because I was just complaining about
like her eMac, so like the gentleman.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
He is, he's, you know, trying to build me up today.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
But anyway, hello, this is an exciting episode for us,
don't you think.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Last one, final episode of season two programming note unfortunately
banished last night was it was Tamrock, So she's not
gonna make the show today. But we you're in good
hands with these two faithfuls. We will sure, we will
sure put you through this final episode of season two,
(00:52):
which was such a good season and such a fun ending.
I kind of forgot how it all went down and
the Trichelle and ct of it all, but reliving it
was very fun.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Well, yes it was. It was fun. And this was
the single most.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Addicting episode to me because this is what got me.
This is when I fell in love with the show.
This was when I realized there was something really special
about Traders, and it was in the end, which we're
going to get to but it was shocking.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It's very The thing is, it's very unpredictable.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
See in my shows, you can look at patterns of
behavior and kind of predict how the person's going to
act next, or how the you know, we know the
end to these plays in our Fights and Housewives, right
ye most of the time. And this is just so
new and so unpredictable, and that's what I love about it.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Did you know that it was the last day of
filming when it was the last day of filming? Yeah,
you did, so they let you know, like it's this
is the last round table, and this is.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Going to be yes, oh yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Okay, all right, before we go to the end, Let's
go to the beginning. Kate is the last trader left
in the Tourettes. Alan joins her to discuss her plan
and she's kind of cross between Trischelle and Serie for
the final murder. I think that she made the right
decision in not killing Trischelle.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
No, Rochelle is the better player. Yeah, so she may
have won.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
It's so funny because every decision towards the end is
so crucial how it's going to end. You know what
I mean, so the smaller that circle gets, that round
table gets the Really that's when it's like really hard,
because your decisions are making breaking you in any second.
(03:01):
You know, along the way, we make a lot of
wrong choices, you being one of them. On our show,
you were a faithful We got right of you. But
there was so much room to play it wasn't going
to make a difference. Yet this is when things really really.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Make a difference.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
I mean, I understand Kate's rational of like knocking off
another Bravo Club person to kind of like get the
stink off of her, But the amount of like bloodhounding
that I think Draschelle was doing, and especially towards Kate,
I'm not sure. I think I agree with you, and
I'm not sure if it was the best play for
her game.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
For Kate's right, well, we could always say she could
have used the excuse if I was a trader, why
would I get rid of the one person gunning for
me that would make me look so bad?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah, you know they were coming for her anyway.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
I think she was damned if she did and damned
if she didn't, because she was the most credible person
to be a trader at by that point.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Yeah, and everyone seems to have their like finger pointed
at Kate after the way that she responded to Phedra
the night before at the round table.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
You know, moving forward, and I hate to give this
up because the newness of it all is still the
element of surprise. So as this show goes on, you'll
be able to predict things as well. Right, and we
still don't realize that it's only the second season, and
we still don't realize that traders come for traders. I
(04:36):
feel like it's still like we're kind of green to it,
and my, by my, by the end of season three,
you realize you can kind of figure it out when
two people are really going at each other at the
round table, but really going at each other.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
With specific you're a macket trader. You are one hundred
percent trader, and now you really got to look at
the other person.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Seems like a very fun kind of like final mission,
did you gut? What was your final mission? Do you remember?
Was that hanging from a helicopter.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
It was hanging from a helicopter, dangling underneath the helicopter
and dropping bags of gold into a ring of fire.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Oh yeah, that looks so like so much fun.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
It was so much fun. And then also the challenge
before right before that was a lot of walking, a
lot of running.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
We had to walk through the woods and find all
these cute clues to get to the end where we
then got into you had to solve the riddle to
get to the next clue, and then we would get
into these old like old fashioned cars and then drive
us to the castle where then the helicopter comes.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Well, this was a pretty fun final mission. The helicopter
con but they're not hanging from it. They're actually going
to be kind of going on a treasure hunt that
kind of like leads them through the I guess the
hillsides of the locks where they can get deterred and
find more money and eventually have to get into a
dinghy and get out there raise the flag before thirty
(06:16):
minutes I think is up or sixty minutes is up.
It's so invaluable to have a workhorse like CT Like
that just was like you go do all of that
grunt worker, you know, Like I felt like he was
gonna last to the end because everyone was like, yeah,
but emissions, he will go like carry all the stupid
stuff or he'll like go run back to the beginning.
(06:38):
I'm wondering who was the CT of your season that
you think that was like the best pack mule for
the missions.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Well, to be honest, right until the end, I would
say with the last remaining of us would have been.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I was pretty pretty good.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
But the pack of the missions was Dylan Ephron because
he was very considerate. But through the season, in the
beginning of the times, it was sam Ashgari. Yeah, I
played for himself, always took care of everybody, always a gentleman.
And you know, I think I think we had a
lot of pretty uh you know, pretty intense people that
(07:29):
were willing to get dirty and do whatever. And I'm
not gonna lie. I mean I kept up and I
was definitely one of them.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Absolutely. I mean the only two missions that I went on,
I remember seeing you you bust ass, so thank you.
I think it's funny seeing like you've got this kind
of giant meat head teddy bear who's like I'll run
and go do it, and like in this final mission,
it's so good.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
It is a valuable you are right.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
You are yeah, And you can't get rid of someone
like that, like you need you need brute force sometimes
with something like that, who also is just willing to
like never will never give up. Congratulations to them. They
end up winning I think the full fifty thousand dollars
in the challenge. The prize pots now at two hundred
and eight thousand dollars, So we head on back to
the castle. Kate is causing chaos by manufacturing mistrust between Trischelle, Sandra,
(08:21):
and CT. I got to give it to Kate. She's
doing a pretty good job of getting the stink off
of her.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Well's her second time in, so she knows the game.
She knows how to do it.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Now when you get that chance to go back after
you learn the game so well, you're a different kind
of player. You play differently, things hit differently, as they say.
So she, yes, she's good at it, but she's funny too.
I mean, even if I thought she was a trader,
I'd still listen to her.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Going into the final roundtable. I imagine at this point everyone's
just so exhausted. Tell me about how you felt about
going into the final round table and then in comparison
like to this one.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
You want the truth.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, So the night before this round table, Danielle was
voted out and I didn't vote for her, and I
was so bitter and angry about that that the final
roundtable was the one round table where I said, I
don't give up who I'm friends with, how close I
am they're going because and I voted.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Of course you'll find out who I voted for, But.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
It was up until then, like I finally played as
the player because I was ready for it.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, and you go in also really unsure because it's
the end.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
You can make it to the very end, it's right
in front of you, and you still can't trust one
single person around you. Yeah, it's a really weird feeling
to Also, it's very eerie in the castle towards the
end when you don't when it's it seems like everyone's
gone right, and it's a weird.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I kind of like there was.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
One point where I'm walking through the hallway and I
didn't know where to go to because there's only like four.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
People left, five people? What room are you going in?
Every room is empty?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
And I felt like, in a really like macab way,
is this what it feels like when you get older
and people start to leave you and you lose people
close to you, and then it's just kind of like
very sparse.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
The people that you're around.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
It was a weird feeling to me, and that just
crossed my mind at the time. But you know, it's
it's kind of like it's a lot there's a lot
of different emotions going on in that minute because you
don't it's almost surreal that you made it that far too.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yeah, the final roundtable is pretty interesting. CT and Sandra
realized they were kind of pitted against one another by Kate,
which surprised me that the voting went the way it
did because it seemed pretty obvious that Kate was me
in manufacturing this. But regardless, Kate, MJ, Trichelle, and CT,
they all vote for Sandra and she's banished from the game.
(11:09):
Why do you think that they pivoted over? And you know,
CT and Trichelle had this kind of like packed beforehand,
they were going to go after Kate and they didn't.
Why do you think that they ended up pivoting in
the middle of that roundtable?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Again, and I would have never seen that coming. It
was unpredictable to me.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, I think that there's a world in which it
doesn't really matter if we get someone out here at
the end of this roundtable, because like, if I'm CT,
I think the way that CT and Trischelle orchestrated this
whole thing was it should be us two at the end.
So let's get everyone out and us two are at
(11:53):
the end. That's the way.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
That doesn't matter at this point. Yeah, it doesn't matter
what they are, but you got to get a trader.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Yeah, but it's also a great way of knowing who
a trader is, right, because if it isn't her, Like
if if all everything else else is equal, and you
know you're gonna get rid of kind of everyone except
you too, and you get rid of Sandra and she's
not a trader, well, then okay, we obviously know Kate's
the last one because someone had to have murdered what's
(12:21):
your name the night before, right, So like it gives
you an opportunity to like have an answer before you
need the answer, and so like I think that, like
that's my theory on why CT change it was. I
don't even care. It doesn't really matter. We can get
Kate out on the next one, we're gonna I'm gonna
chisel this down to us too, anyways.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Right, you goad.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
But but essentially you have to be careful about wasting
the vote because there's not a lot of room. You
don't get a lot of there's not a big margin.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
To screw up here. Yeah, so yeah, but how do
you know there's not two traders left?
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
They didn't know that they didn't.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
And I also think that that is Trischelle's excuse to
MJ at the end is how how was I to
know that you weren't TILL a trader?
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Right? And how would Rochelle know that CT wasn't?
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Trischelle seemed pretty well. I mean, we'll get there, because
the way that CT does switch up in this roundtable
ends up putting doubt in Trischelle's mind later on down
the road. Right anyways, obviously Sandra is a faithful and
Trachelle is skeptical of CT for breaking their original plan.
(13:37):
The last four players join in the Fire of Truth. Now,
this is something that very few people get to experience.
But you have tell me all the behind the scenes
stuff the Fire of truth? How late is it? How
long you been sitting around? How annoyed are you? Are
you ready to get out of here and have a
glass of wine? What is happening at that moment.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Well, for me, when we're standing there in the circle
of truth, it's freezing.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
It is so cold because it is so late.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Now you have to understand, I don't know if it's
one o'clock in the morning, I don't know if it's
one thirty in the morning. But you know what, at
that point, it's like, there's nothing more I can do.
I have done everything to win this game. I have
gone through every mission, I've showed up every day, and like,
(14:27):
let it faward it be at this point, and at
that point, you're also so tired of losing friends and
voting the wrong people out at times that you're just like,
you know whatever. We were kind of different because we
were all we all came to a decision. Yeah hopefully
(14:50):
so we thought that we could trust each other and say,
let's just all win here. But that was different here.
That was we were all of course, oh faithfuls too,
but it was just you have to at that point
either either give it up to God or just trust
who you're standing next to.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
How long of a time is it between that last
roundtable and the buyer of truth?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
It's an hours, see time, there is very weird because
you don't have a watch.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah, you have no sense of time.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
And by then you really don't have a sense of
time because now you've been there for over a month
with never knowing what time it is. So unless you're
cognizant of that, how do you know what's an hour?
That an hour has gone by?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
You don't know?
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Yeah, I don't think it's hours, No, I really don't.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
But I remember getting dressed up for it.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Now we're going to change, and we get dressed up,
and they have these really specific outfits for us, all picked.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Out and oh, so this wasn't your wardrobe for the
last thing, Well, this.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
One was, but not the jacket.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
And they put heaters in my shoes. Uh huh, those
heating things in my shoes. We had heaters, the heating
pouches in our pockets and yeah. And the biggest thing
is when you're throwing that pouch in the fire. Yeah
you're so, you looked at it fifty times because you
want to make sure you threw in the right color.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Yeah, throw it in the wrong color.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Now we had to vote somebody out, which we all
agreed we wouldn't be doing.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
All right, So the last four players join the Fire
of Truth. Each person has an opportunity to decide if
they want to end the game or banish again. The
game can only end if they if all of them
choose to do the exact same thing. So Trichelle, CT,
and MJ all vote to banish again. I think Kate
probably can read the writing on the wall at this
point that they're all going to go after her. Alan
(17:01):
gives them the final option to end the game, or
so they banish Kate. I feel like Kate is just
relieved it's over at this point.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Yes, and no, I don't think you're relieved it's over
because she's standing there saying this.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Is this money? How much is it? One hundred?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Well, two hundred and eight thousand if just she wins it.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Yeah, And at that point you're like, listen, everybody knows
what they signed up for. The guilt is over, the
conscience is over. You become now unconscionable. Now you're like
right there and you could just take it and run.
And at this point you're like, hey, why not? But
I think anyway, and yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
She was. It's just weird.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
It's it's gotta be a weird feeling with her standing
there knowing I don't know. I know Kate very well,
and I don't think she'd want to take that money really,
to tell you the truth. Really, Yeah, she's so good
and she's she's so morally correct and everything. I think
she would have done it, but I don't think she
would have enjoyed it as much as somebody else would have.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah, like CT and Chochelle.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Yeah, this is where it gets. It is a little dirty,
Like it feels a little dirty where MJ thinks that
they're all faithfuls correctfully so and that they're all going
to vote for it, and then she realizes. You can
you can see the moment when she realizes, oh my god,
(18:31):
you guys are colluding against me and I'm screwed.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
First, she looks at them, she's like, guys, we made
I have chills. Oh so sickonding Yeah. She looks at them,
she's like, guys, we made it. And then she realizes
they look at her and they're like yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
No, and she's like, oh my god, now mind you.
She had a baby at home, she left to come here.
She made it through every challenge and she's gotten through
every roundtable. I don't agree with what they did. I'm sorry,
I just don't.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I don't either, I understand it. I'm surprised that they
didn't get more backlash for it.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Because gamers watched the show, and gamers know what you're
supposed to do.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
That we got backlash for not voting each other out. Yeah, Dylan,
I know, I know, Dale. But bost and Rob probably
said to Dylan, were you stupid?
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Well, yeah, you're damn if you do, and you're damned
if you don't. But the thing about it is is
that it came really really close to CT being the
one that got banished there at the end, and if
things had gone a little bit different, you know, MJ
all of a sudden realizes that, like you know, she
got got they're coming after me. And then they all
(19:53):
vote and MJ's like, well, I guess I'll vote for Trishelle.
Trischelle blips and goes on CT. CT sticks to the
plan of staying with MJ. Now, if MJ had had
had any idea what Chrischelle was going to do, or
if she had just picked CT instead, he would have
(20:13):
been out. Because Chrischelle made that weird, like last play
against him.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
I feel like that was a leftover resentment from when
he didn't give her the torch. Yes, sorry, women hold grudges, bro, Yeah,
she was very hurt by that and never trusted him
again after that.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Well, I was just sitting there thinking like, wow, we
were so close to it going in a completely different way.
But regardless, they end up, you know, kind of finally
coming together. CT, I think, looks in her eyes and
is like, I'm so sorry. Let's vote for MJ here
and be the winner. And that's kind of how it ends.
(20:57):
As MJ's walking away. How angry would you be if
you were in her shoes?
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I was angry for her. Yeah, I'm not an emotional person.
I felt like somebody punched me in the stomach. But hey,
you know what, I'm Jay, you didn't make a mistake.
You had the chance to win, and you want to
getst the wrong person. Sorry, you are partially culpable for this.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
You are have to take accountability of your mistake, your
big mistake.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
She also thought people were traders a lot that weren't,
and in my mind, I don't know if she if
I think that she played as good of a game
as Trischelle and CT did. I understand them doing what
they did. I think it's messed up and they probably
(21:48):
all should have sat there and taken it.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I think somebody lasting that far deserves something.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah. Well, screen time, Trichelle and CT both reveal that
they are faithful. They when together, they'd take home one
hundred and four thousand fifty dollars each.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Any like humps her on the goals.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I know it was very sexual.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
I need you to tell me something, because that's why
I said to Trochelle. Yeah, like all I thought about
at the time when I saw that was like I
would be at the bottom of the Hudson.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I would not come home. There's no way, Paul Connell
from Dublin. It would have been a war.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
It would have been an absolute end of my relationship.
I am not kidding you. And I said to Trichelle, like,
I didn't even know. I don't know why I didn't
know her personal life.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
And I'm sorry for that because I do know a
lot about her, but that I didn't know she was
married to a pilot whatever.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
They have this big trust in their relationship and that's why,
like I said to her, like I got nervous for her. Yeah,
and no man, I ever been with that would.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Have allowed that. But let me ask you something you
live in a normal relationship, would you have been upset?
Speaker 1 (23:01):
I mean, I guess I have to know the relationship
of my partner and that person. Here's what I'm thinking.
I'm thinking that they have been in the Challenge MTV
Real World road Rules thing for so long, that they
are close, and that CT's got like a little bit
(23:23):
of like a big brother thing.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yes, I don't straddle my brother ever, and I'm very
close with my brother.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
I've known him fifty five years. Yeah, anyway, I'm just
being a jerk about it.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I don't disagree with what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
No, I'm just saying because in my relationship, yeah, that would.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Not even fly at all. But okay, listen, it was fun.
It was funny to watch. Let's not lose sight of
this whole big thing. So they win the money, they
split the money.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
It was an incredible, crazy ending for me. It was
a suspense to the last second. And then the cherry
on top was the mounting of the gold.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah. By the way, when he jumps on the gold,
I'm sitting there thinking that doesn't hurt your back.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
But I'm just first of all, dude, that's heavy and
Alan doesn't like you touching it.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Oh and then he kisses out like.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
He kissed al a lot, like multiple times.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Okay, So where I come from, Yeah, before this relationship
that I'm in there, I would be like that. I
was always kissy, how like I would hang out and
it's totally innocent. Cet is like one of the guys
from Sake Valley High School I grew up with in
Patterson or Totoa, the guys that stand on the corner
(24:49):
with their friends. Ay, oh, everybody's family. The repo guy,
he's the Repo guy and that's that's it.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
But all no harm, no foul, all good.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
And I'm so happy that Michelle didn't get in trouble
for that, and I'm glad that they're still allowed to
be friends, and that's very important.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
She's also got one hundred and four thousand reasons to
have her husband not be angry at her for what
happened at the end of the show.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I mean, if he did it because he was like, hey, listen,
take one for the team, baby. If you gotta do
what you gotta do to win, that's fine, but you're
not the man for me.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
So now let's go through it. So season one a
trader one, right.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yes, remember Sarring. She was amazing, she was a brilliant gamer.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Then there was then there's this that the two faithfuls
one but really sticking it to MJ in the end
when they swear honestly, what's the difference of the money.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Let's go over this really quick.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Wells, you're you're a smart guy, and I know that
you were much smarter than me, and you could do
the math. So instead oh look he's taking out his calculator. Okay,
at least you know how to use the calculator. So
we're splitting that money three ways instead of two. What's
the difference of the money.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
It'll have been sixty nine thousand dollars each instead of
one hundred and four thousand dollars each, so effectively thirty
four thousand dollars more taxes.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Well, you have me Scotland and whatever date they live in, Yeah, taxes,
let's say twenty something, right, Yeah? Was it worth it?
Probably really worth it to stick it to MJ like that.
First of all, MJ's my friend number one CT. I've
(26:56):
never met Michelle. I like you very much, but it
wasn't nice. That was not nice to do.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Well, it's here's the thing. They were faithfuls, but that
was some traitorous behavior there at the end.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
It was but I still have to go back to
mj up.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yeah, should have stuck with Trischelle and then she probably
didn't feel bad after that.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, And so then you know, obviously the next season,
we know that you famously a bunch of faithfuls win.
So season four coming up at the beginning of next year,
it's it's right now, it's two faithfuls and one and
one trader have won. Do you think that there's a
chance that a trader wins season four?
Speaker 2 (27:36):
There's always a chance a trader wins.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Yeah, a trader is actually due to win because one
hasn't won since season one.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
So yeah, statistically statistically speaking, well, statistically speaking, that the
trader should always win because the informed minority always wins
over the uninformed majority.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
How did you note see I told you were smart.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Well, so this whole this whole game and MC mafia
or Werewolf is based upon a Russian social experiment and
what they found was is that, I mean, it's so
it's a way to be able to manipulate your population.
But what they found was that the informed minority would
(28:25):
always be able to outsmart the uninformed majority. So here's
my thought. I think that we have now enough case
study for people who are going to be traders to
see what the pitfalls of the traders have been passed
to be able to play a much smarter game than
they have these first three seasons. So my thought is
(28:47):
is that a trader or traders will win this over
Faithful's what we shall see.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
See I'm learning from you. That is so smart. What
you just said, it was so interesting. People need to
listen to this podcast because that was just amazing and
valuable information that you just told us. I need to
read more instead of doom scroll on my Instagram all
day and looking at dogs and ballroom dancing and people
(29:16):
I wish I looked like.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
But I'm going to tell you that that is so
true and so interesting, and.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Yeah, we need to But this is my this is
my problem with the game is nothing's as good as
the first time, right, So we've seen, like the first time,
a trader wins, and we've seen two faithfuls win and
vote out the person at the last minute, and then
we see what we see on ours.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
I just don't want to.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
I don't want this to get so so good that
we lose the excitement of it, like what you're saying,
Like the more it goes on, the more people learn
patterns of what can happen and what can do and
kind of takes the excitement and the edge out of it.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
No.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah, I agree with what you're saying. I do think though,
that the the production or the game makers have an
ace up there sleevers. They can always change things around
and make a very similar game be a lot different.
And I think that that's what's going to happen this season.
I think there's going to be a big switch up
than we've had in the past in which will change gameplay.
(30:25):
And also Alan has said this is like the most
dramatic season or like one of the craziest seasons coming.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Up, and he said that about ours.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
I know it was, though, Okay, but he's gonna say
that all the time.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yeah, it's a little Chris Harrison, this is the most
dramatic season ever, right, I get yeah? All right, So
that is the end of season two. We will start
up next week with season three. This season not I
want to spoil it, but the beautiful lady sitting across
from me right now may or may not have walked
away with a lot of money. But please go watch
(30:59):
the first couple episodes because we'll be recapping that as well.
Follow us on social media at by Orders of the Faithful.
And lastly, you're going to bravocon. Tell me what that's like,
because it's no, I don't. I don't work for Bravo.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I know you should be there because they're doing a
trader's panel.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
I was well on it. I think you have to
be on the show to be on the panel.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
But but you were, and you were such a great
part of it. Everyone missed you. But Bravocon is insane.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
So if you've ever been to com con or yeah,
whatever con you go to, uh, it's thousands of people.
It sells out, tickets sell out wells. I think, like
in within a minute, I think maybe twenty thirty thousand
people forty thousand, I don't know how many come. And
it's crazy fans every day, meet and greets, lines, panels,
(31:56):
watch what happens, live appearances on the stage, whatever, housewife
from everywhere. It's like bra if, Like if you're a
Bravo person. It's Bravo heaven. Yeah, because every single housewife
that you want to be or look up to, or
or you're a fan of is under one roof.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
I also feel like though it grants a lot of
access to fans who might be a little crazy, Like
can stalkers show up there? Have they shown up there?
As security really tight?
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Security is not as tight as it should because it's
hard to like, I've never there's a bizarre there's vendors,
and I've never gotten to walk through it because they
can't get through the door.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah yeah, yeah, because.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
They give us like the guards are like kids from
like college, yeah yeah, or are looking for like a
job for the week. You know, they're not like they
don't know how to handle the cos Yeah yeah, not
even not even and they don't know how to like
like I don't know, have like a big bouncer with
(33:02):
me walking through.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Yeah, I have a handler, Danielle Trulio, one of my dearest,
most amazing people in my life, and she happens to
be my handler this year.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
That's nice.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
She'll be like more of a bodyguard to me than
a bodyguard will be. I'm bringing my assistant to take pictures.
Frankie Funachelli. The tickets are very like you. They're unattainable,
they really are.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
So there's backstage passes, there's the regular passes, but all
of it is really cool and the fans deserve it,
they really do. They ride hard for us and they're
very loyal.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Well, I'm excited for you. Have fun over there. Make
sure to tell everyone that will listen that they should
listen to this podcast because yeah, it's a fun show
and season four is coming out very very soon.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Yeah so wells, I will announce it at Bravo Con
at every panel I'm on, I will.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Let them know about us and get the word out.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
All right, all you Faithfuls and Traders out there, thanks
so much for listening to by Order of the Faithfuls.
We'll see you all again next week, where we break
down a new season, season three of The Traders.
All right, welcome back all you Traders and faithfuls too.
By order of the faithfuls, I'm wells, Adams. I'm alongside
the beautiful Dolores Catania.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Ah, thank you, Wells.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
He's calling me beautiful because I was just complaining about
like her eMac, so like the gentleman.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
He is, he's, you know, trying to build me up today.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
But anyway, hello, this is an exciting episode for us,
don't you think.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Last one, final episode of season two programming note unfortunately
banished last night was it was Tamrock, So she's not
gonna make the show today. But we you're in good
hands with these two faithfuls. We will sure, we will
sure put you through this final episode of season two,
(00:52):
which was such a good season and such a fun ending.
I kind of forgot how it all went down and
the Trichelle and ct of it all, but reliving it
was very fun.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Well, yes it was. It was fun. And this was
the single most.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Addicting episode to me because this is what got me.
This is when I fell in love with the show.
This was when I realized there was something really special
about Traders, and it was in the end, which we're
going to get to but it was shocking.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It's very The thing is, it's very unpredictable.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
See in my shows, you can look at patterns of
behavior and kind of predict how the person's going to
act next, or how the you know, we know the
end to these plays in our Fights and Housewives, right
ye most of the time. And this is just so
new and so unpredictable, and that's what I love about it.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Did you know that it was the last day of
filming when it was the last day of filming? Yeah,
you did, so they let you know, like it's this
is the last round table, and this is.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Going to be yes, oh yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Okay, all right, before we go to the end, Let's
go to the beginning. Kate is the last trader left
in the Tourettes. Alan joins her to discuss her plan
and she's kind of cross between Trischelle and Serie for
the final murder. I think that she made the right
decision in not killing Trischelle.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
No, Rochelle is the better player. Yeah, so she may
have won.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
It's so funny because every decision towards the end is
so crucial how it's going to end. You know what
I mean, so the smaller that circle gets, that round
table gets the Really that's when it's like really hard,
because your decisions are making breaking you in any second.
(03:01):
You know, along the way, we make a lot of
wrong choices, you being one of them. On our show,
you were a faithful We got right of you. But
there was so much room to play it wasn't going
to make a difference. Yet this is when things really really.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Make a difference.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
I mean, I understand Kate's rational of like knocking off
another Bravo Club person to kind of like get the
stink off of her, But the amount of like bloodhounding
that I think Draschelle was doing, and especially towards Kate,
I'm not sure. I think I agree with you, and
I'm not sure if it was the best play for
her game.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
For Kate's right, well, we could always say she could
have used the excuse if I was a trader, why
would I get rid of the one person gunning for
me that would make me look so bad?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah, you know they were coming for her anyway.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
I think she was damned if she did and damned
if she didn't, because she was the most credible person
to be a trader at by that point.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Yeah, and everyone seems to have their like finger pointed
at Kate after the way that she responded to Phedra
the night before at the round table.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
You know, moving forward, and I hate to give this
up because the newness of it all is still the
element of surprise. So as this show goes on, you'll
be able to predict things as well. Right, and we
still don't realize that it's only the second season, and
we still don't realize that traders come for traders. I
(04:36):
feel like it's still like we're kind of green to it,
and my, by my, by the end of season three,
you realize you can kind of figure it out when
two people are really going at each other at the
round table, but really going at each other.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
With specific you're a macket trader. You are one hundred
percent trader, and now you really got to look at
the other person.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Seems like a very fun kind of like final mission,
did you gut? What was your final mission? Do you remember?
Was that hanging from a helicopter.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
It was hanging from a helicopter, dangling underneath the helicopter
and dropping bags of gold into a ring of fire.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Oh yeah, that looks so like so much fun.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
It was so much fun. And then also the challenge
before right before that was a lot of walking, a
lot of running.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
We had to walk through the woods and find all
these cute clues to get to the end where we
then got into you had to solve the riddle to
get to the next clue, and then we would get
into these old like old fashioned cars and then drive
us to the castle where then the helicopter comes.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Well, this was a pretty fun final mission. The helicopter
con but they're not hanging from it. They're actually going
to be kind of going on a treasure hunt that
kind of like leads them through the I guess the
hillsides of the locks where they can get deterred and
find more money and eventually have to get into a
dinghy and get out there raise the flag before thirty
(06:16):
minutes I think is up or sixty minutes is up.
It's so invaluable to have a workhorse like CT Like
that just was like you go do all of that
grunt worker, you know, Like I felt like he was
gonna last to the end because everyone was like, yeah,
but emissions, he will go like carry all the stupid
stuff or he'll like go run back to the beginning.
(06:38):
I'm wondering who was the CT of your season that
you think that was like the best pack mule for
the missions.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Well, to be honest, right until the end, I would
say with the last remaining of us would have been.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I was pretty pretty good.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
But the pack of the missions was Dylan Ephron because
he was very considerate. But through the season, in the
beginning of the times, it was sam Ashgari. Yeah, I
played for himself, always took care of everybody, always a gentleman.
And you know, I think I think we had a
lot of pretty uh you know, pretty intense people that
(07:29):
were willing to get dirty and do whatever. And I'm
not gonna lie. I mean I kept up and I
was definitely one of them.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Absolutely. I mean the only two missions that I went on,
I remember seeing you you bust ass, so thank you.
I think it's funny seeing like you've got this kind
of giant meat head teddy bear who's like I'll run
and go do it, and like in this final mission,
it's so good.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
It is a valuable you are right.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
You are yeah, And you can't get rid of someone
like that, like you need you need brute force sometimes
with something like that, who also is just willing to
like never will never give up. Congratulations to them. They
end up winning I think the full fifty thousand dollars
in the challenge. The prize pots now at two hundred
and eight thousand dollars, So we head on back to
the castle. Kate is causing chaos by manufacturing mistrust between Trischelle, Sandra,
(08:21):
and CT. I got to give it to Kate. She's
doing a pretty good job of getting the stink off
of her.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Well's her second time in, so she knows the game.
She knows how to do it.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Now when you get that chance to go back after
you learn the game so well, you're a different kind
of player. You play differently, things hit differently, as they say.
So she, yes, she's good at it, but she's funny too.
I mean, even if I thought she was a trader,
I'd still listen to her.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Going into the final roundtable. I imagine at this point everyone's
just so exhausted. Tell me about how you felt about
going into the final round table and then in comparison
like to this one.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
You want the truth.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, So the night before this round table, Danielle was
voted out and I didn't vote for her, and I
was so bitter and angry about that that the final
roundtable was the one round table where I said, I
don't give up who I'm friends with, how close I
am they're going because and I voted.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Of course you'll find out who I voted for, But.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
It was up until then, like I finally played as
the player because I was ready for it.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, and you go in also really unsure because it's
the end.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
You can make it to the very end, it's right
in front of you, and you still can't trust one
single person around you. Yeah, it's a really weird feeling
to Also, it's very eerie in the castle towards the
end when you don't when it's it seems like everyone's
gone right, and it's a weird.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I kind of like there was.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
One point where I'm walking through the hallway and I
didn't know where to go to because there's only like four.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
People left, five people? What room are you going in?
Every room is empty?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
And I felt like, in a really like macab way,
is this what it feels like when you get older
and people start to leave you and you lose people
close to you, and then it's just kind of like
very sparse.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
The people that you're around.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
It was a weird feeling to me, and that just
crossed my mind at the time. But you know, it's
it's kind of like it's a lot there's a lot
of different emotions going on in that minute because you
don't it's almost surreal that you made it that far too.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yeah, the final roundtable is pretty interesting. CT and Sandra
realized they were kind of pitted against one another by Kate,
which surprised me that the voting went the way it
did because it seemed pretty obvious that Kate was me
in manufacturing this. But regardless, Kate, MJ, Trichelle, and CT,
they all vote for Sandra and she's banished from the game.
(11:09):
Why do you think that they pivoted over? And you know,
CT and Trichelle had this kind of like packed beforehand,
they were going to go after Kate and they didn't.
Why do you think that they ended up pivoting in
the middle of that roundtable?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Again, and I would have never seen that coming. It
was unpredictable to me.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, I think that there's a world in which it
doesn't really matter if we get someone out here at
the end of this roundtable, because like, if I'm CT,
I think the way that CT and Trischelle orchestrated this
whole thing was it should be us two at the end.
So let's get everyone out and us two are at
(11:53):
the end. That's the way.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
That doesn't matter at this point. Yeah, it doesn't matter
what they are, but you got to get a trader.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Yeah, but it's also a great way of knowing who
a trader is, right, because if it isn't her, Like
if if all everything else else is equal, and you
know you're gonna get rid of kind of everyone except
you too, and you get rid of Sandra and she's
not a trader, well, then okay, we obviously know Kate's
the last one because someone had to have murdered what's
(12:21):
your name the night before, right, So like it gives
you an opportunity to like have an answer before you
need the answer, and so like I think that, like
that's my theory on why CT change it was. I
don't even care. It doesn't really matter. We can get
Kate out on the next one, we're gonna I'm gonna
chisel this down to us too, anyways.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Right, you goad.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
But but essentially you have to be careful about wasting
the vote because there's not a lot of room. You
don't get a lot of there's not a big margin.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
To screw up here. Yeah, so yeah, but how do
you know there's not two traders left?
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
They didn't know that they didn't.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
And I also think that that is Trischelle's excuse to
MJ at the end is how how was I to
know that you weren't TILL a trader?
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Right? And how would Rochelle know that CT wasn't?
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Trischelle seemed pretty well. I mean, we'll get there, because
the way that CT does switch up in this roundtable
ends up putting doubt in Trischelle's mind later on down
the road. Right anyways, obviously Sandra is a faithful and
Trachelle is skeptical of CT for breaking their original plan.
(13:37):
The last four players join in the Fire of Truth. Now,
this is something that very few people get to experience.
But you have tell me all the behind the scenes
stuff the Fire of truth? How late is it? How
long you been sitting around? How annoyed are you? Are
you ready to get out of here and have a
glass of wine? What is happening at that moment.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Well, for me, when we're standing there in the circle
of truth, it's freezing.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
It is so cold because it is so late.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Now you have to understand, I don't know if it's
one o'clock in the morning, I don't know if it's
one thirty in the morning. But you know what, at
that point, it's like, there's nothing more I can do.
I have done everything to win this game. I have
gone through every mission, I've showed up every day, and like,
(14:27):
let it faward it be at this point, and at
that point, you're also so tired of losing friends and
voting the wrong people out at times that you're just like,
you know whatever. We were kind of different because we
were all we all came to a decision. Yeah hopefully
(14:50):
so we thought that we could trust each other and say,
let's just all win here. But that was different here.
That was we were all of course, oh faithfuls too,
but it was just you have to at that point
either either give it up to God or just trust
who you're standing next to.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
How long of a time is it between that last
roundtable and the buyer of truth?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
It's an hours, see time, there is very weird because
you don't have a watch.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah, you have no sense of time.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
And by then you really don't have a sense of
time because now you've been there for over a month
with never knowing what time it is. So unless you're
cognizant of that, how do you know what's an hour?
That an hour has gone by?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
You don't know?
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Yeah, I don't think it's hours, No, I really don't.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
But I remember getting dressed up for it.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Now we're going to change, and we get dressed up,
and they have these really specific outfits for us, all picked.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Out and oh, so this wasn't your wardrobe for the
last thing, Well, this.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
One was, but not the jacket.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
And they put heaters in my shoes. Uh huh, those
heating things in my shoes. We had heaters, the heating
pouches in our pockets and yeah. And the biggest thing
is when you're throwing that pouch in the fire. Yeah
you're so, you looked at it fifty times because you
want to make sure you threw in the right color.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Yeah, throw it in the wrong color.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Now we had to vote somebody out, which we all
agreed we wouldn't be doing.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
All right, So the last four players join the Fire
of Truth. Each person has an opportunity to decide if
they want to end the game or banish again. The
game can only end if they if all of them
choose to do the exact same thing. So Trichelle, CT,
and MJ all vote to banish again. I think Kate
probably can read the writing on the wall at this
point that they're all going to go after her. Alan
(17:01):
gives them the final option to end the game, or
so they banish Kate. I feel like Kate is just
relieved it's over at this point.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Yes, and no, I don't think you're relieved it's over
because she's standing there saying this.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Is this money? How much is it? One hundred?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Well, two hundred and eight thousand if just she wins it.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Yeah, And at that point you're like, listen, everybody knows
what they signed up for. The guilt is over, the
conscience is over. You become now unconscionable. Now you're like
right there and you could just take it and run.
And at this point you're like, hey, why not? But
I think anyway, and yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
She was. It's just weird.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
It's it's gotta be a weird feeling with her standing
there knowing I don't know. I know Kate very well,
and I don't think she'd want to take that money really,
to tell you the truth. Really, Yeah, she's so good
and she's she's so morally correct and everything. I think
she would have done it, but I don't think she
would have enjoyed it as much as somebody else would have.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah, like CT and Chochelle.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Yeah, this is where it gets. It is a little dirty,
Like it feels a little dirty where MJ thinks that
they're all faithfuls correctfully so and that they're all going
to vote for it, and then she realizes. You can
you can see the moment when she realizes, oh my god,
(18:31):
you guys are colluding against me and I'm screwed.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
First, she looks at them, she's like, guys, we made
I have chills. Oh so sickonding Yeah. She looks at them,
she's like, guys, we made it. And then she realizes
they look at her and they're like yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
No, and she's like, oh my god, now mind you.
She had a baby at home, she left to come here.
She made it through every challenge and she's gotten through
every roundtable. I don't agree with what they did. I'm sorry,
I just don't.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I don't either, I understand it. I'm surprised that they
didn't get more backlash for it.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Because gamers watched the show, and gamers know what you're
supposed to do.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
That we got backlash for not voting each other out. Yeah, Dylan,
I know, I know, Dale. But bost and Rob probably
said to Dylan, were you stupid?
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Well, yeah, you're damn if you do, and you're damned
if you don't. But the thing about it is is
that it came really really close to CT being the
one that got banished there at the end, and if
things had gone a little bit different, you know, MJ
all of a sudden realizes that, like you know, she
got got they're coming after me. And then they all
(19:53):
vote and MJ's like, well, I guess I'll vote for Trishelle.
Trischelle blips and goes on CT. CT sticks to the
plan of staying with MJ. Now, if MJ had had
had any idea what Chrischelle was going to do, or
if she had just picked CT instead, he would have
(20:13):
been out. Because Chrischelle made that weird, like last play
against him.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
I feel like that was a leftover resentment from when
he didn't give her the torch. Yes, sorry, women hold grudges, bro, Yeah,
she was very hurt by that and never trusted him
again after that.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Well, I was just sitting there thinking like, wow, we
were so close to it going in a completely different way.
But regardless, they end up, you know, kind of finally
coming together. CT, I think, looks in her eyes and
is like, I'm so sorry. Let's vote for MJ here
and be the winner. And that's kind of how it ends.
(20:57):
As MJ's walking away. How angry would you be if
you were in her shoes?
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I was angry for her. Yeah, I'm not an emotional person.
I felt like somebody punched me in the stomach. But hey,
you know what, I'm Jay, you didn't make a mistake.
You had the chance to win, and you want to
getst the wrong person. Sorry, you are partially culpable for this.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
You are have to take accountability of your mistake, your
big mistake.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
She also thought people were traders a lot that weren't,
and in my mind, I don't know if she if
I think that she played as good of a game
as Trischelle and CT did. I understand them doing what
they did. I think it's messed up and they probably
(21:48):
all should have sat there and taken it.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I think somebody lasting that far deserves something.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah. Well, screen time, Trichelle and CT both reveal that
they are faithful. They when together, they'd take home one
hundred and four thousand fifty dollars each.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Any like humps her on the goals.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I know it was very sexual.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
I need you to tell me something, because that's why
I said to Trochelle. Yeah, like all I thought about
at the time when I saw that was like I
would be at the bottom of the Hudson.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I would not come home. There's no way, Paul Connell
from Dublin. It would have been a war.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
It would have been an absolute end of my relationship.
I am not kidding you. And I said to Trichelle, like,
I didn't even know. I don't know why I didn't
know her personal life.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
And I'm sorry for that because I do know a
lot about her, but that I didn't know she was
married to a pilot whatever.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
They have this big trust in their relationship and that's why,
like I said to her, like I got nervous for her. Yeah,
and no man, I ever been with that would.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Have allowed that. But let me ask you something you
live in a normal relationship, would you have been upset?
Speaker 1 (23:01):
I mean, I guess I have to know the relationship
of my partner and that person. Here's what I'm thinking.
I'm thinking that they have been in the Challenge MTV
Real World road Rules thing for so long, that they
are close, and that CT's got like a little bit
(23:23):
of like a big brother thing.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yes, I don't straddle my brother ever, and I'm very
close with my brother.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
I've known him fifty five years. Yeah, anyway, I'm just
being a jerk about it.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I don't disagree with what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
No, I'm just saying because in my relationship, yeah, that would.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Not even fly at all. But okay, listen, it was fun.
It was funny to watch. Let's not lose sight of
this whole big thing. So they win the money, they
split the money.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
It was an incredible, crazy ending for me. It was
a suspense to the last second. And then the cherry
on top was the mounting of the gold.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah. By the way, when he jumps on the gold,
I'm sitting there thinking that doesn't hurt your back.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
But I'm just first of all, dude, that's heavy and
Alan doesn't like you touching it.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Oh and then he kisses out like.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
He kissed al a lot, like multiple times.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Okay, So where I come from, Yeah, before this relationship
that I'm in there, I would be like that. I
was always kissy, how like I would hang out and
it's totally innocent. Cet is like one of the guys
from Sake Valley High School I grew up with in
Patterson or Totoa, the guys that stand on the corner
(24:49):
with their friends. Ay, oh, everybody's family. The repo guy,
he's the Repo guy and that's that's it.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
But all no harm, no foul, all good.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
And I'm so happy that Michelle didn't get in trouble
for that, and I'm glad that they're still allowed to
be friends, and that's very important.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
She's also got one hundred and four thousand reasons to
have her husband not be angry at her for what
happened at the end of the show.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I mean, if he did it because he was like, hey, listen,
take one for the team, baby. If you gotta do
what you gotta do to win, that's fine, but you're
not the man for me.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
So now let's go through it. So season one a
trader one, right.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yes, remember Sarring. She was amazing, she was a brilliant gamer.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Then there was then there's this that the two faithfuls
one but really sticking it to MJ in the end
when they swear honestly, what's the difference of the money.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Let's go over this really quick.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Wells, you're you're a smart guy, and I know that
you were much smarter than me, and you could do
the math. So instead oh look he's taking out his calculator. Okay,
at least you know how to use the calculator. So
we're splitting that money three ways instead of two. What's
the difference of the money.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
It'll have been sixty nine thousand dollars each instead of
one hundred and four thousand dollars each, so effectively thirty
four thousand dollars more taxes.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Well, you have me Scotland and whatever date they live in, Yeah, taxes,
let's say twenty something, right, Yeah? Was it worth it?
Probably really worth it to stick it to MJ like that.
First of all, MJ's my friend number one CT. I've
(26:56):
never met Michelle. I like you very much, but it
wasn't nice. That was not nice to do.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Well, it's here's the thing. They were faithfuls, but that
was some traitorous behavior there at the end.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
It was but I still have to go back to
mj up.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yeah, should have stuck with Trischelle and then she probably
didn't feel bad after that.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, And so then you know, obviously the next season,
we know that you famously a bunch of faithfuls win.
So season four coming up at the beginning of next year,
it's it's right now, it's two faithfuls and one and
one trader have won. Do you think that there's a
chance that a trader wins season four?
Speaker 2 (27:36):
There's always a chance a trader wins.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Yeah, a trader is actually due to win because one
hasn't won since season one.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
So yeah, statistically statistically speaking, well, statistically speaking, that the
trader should always win because the informed minority always wins
over the uninformed majority.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
How did you note see I told you were smart.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Well, so this whole this whole game and MC mafia
or Werewolf is based upon a Russian social experiment and
what they found was is that, I mean, it's so
it's a way to be able to manipulate your population.
But what they found was that the informed minority would
(28:25):
always be able to outsmart the uninformed majority. So here's
my thought. I think that we have now enough case
study for people who are going to be traders to
see what the pitfalls of the traders have been passed
to be able to play a much smarter game than
they have these first three seasons. So my thought is
(28:47):
is that a trader or traders will win this over
Faithful's what we shall see.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
See I'm learning from you. That is so smart. What
you just said, it was so interesting. People need to
listen to this podcast because that was just amazing and
valuable information that you just told us. I need to
read more instead of doom scroll on my Instagram all
day and looking at dogs and ballroom dancing and people
(29:16):
I wish I looked like.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
But I'm going to tell you that that is so
true and so interesting, and.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Yeah, we need to But this is my this is
my problem with the game is nothing's as good as
the first time, right, So we've seen, like the first time,
a trader wins, and we've seen two faithfuls win and
vote out the person at the last minute, and then
we see what we see on ours.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
I just don't want to.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
I don't want this to get so so good that
we lose the excitement of it, like what you're saying,
Like the more it goes on, the more people learn
patterns of what can happen and what can do and
kind of takes the excitement and the edge out of it.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
No.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah, I agree with what you're saying. I do think though,
that the the production or the game makers have an
ace up there sleevers. They can always change things around
and make a very similar game be a lot different.
And I think that that's what's going to happen this season.
I think there's going to be a big switch up
than we've had in the past in which will change gameplay.
(30:25):
And also Alan has said this is like the most
dramatic season or like one of the craziest seasons coming.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Up, and he said that about ours.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
I know it was, though, Okay, but he's gonna say
that all the time.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yeah, it's a little Chris Harrison, this is the most
dramatic season ever, right, I get yeah? All right, So
that is the end of season two. We will start
up next week with season three. This season not I
want to spoil it, but the beautiful lady sitting across
from me right now may or may not have walked
away with a lot of money. But please go watch
(30:59):
the first couple episodes because we'll be recapping that as well.
Follow us on social media at by Orders of the Faithful.
And lastly, you're going to bravocon. Tell me what that's like,
because it's no, I don't. I don't work for Bravo.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I know you should be there because they're doing a
trader's panel.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
I was well on it. I think you have to
be on the show to be on the panel.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
But but you were, and you were such a great
part of it. Everyone missed you. But Bravocon is insane.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
So if you've ever been to com con or yeah,
whatever con you go to, uh, it's thousands of people.
It sells out, tickets sell out wells. I think, like
in within a minute, I think maybe twenty thirty thousand
people forty thousand, I don't know how many come. And
it's crazy fans every day, meet and greets, lines, panels,
(31:56):
watch what happens, live appearances on the stage, whatever, housewife
from everywhere. It's like bra if, Like if you're a
Bravo person. It's Bravo heaven. Yeah, because every single housewife
that you want to be or look up to, or
or you're a fan of is under one roof.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
I also feel like though it grants a lot of
access to fans who might be a little crazy, Like
can stalkers show up there? Have they shown up there?
As security really tight?
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Security is not as tight as it should because it's
hard to like, I've never there's a bizarre there's vendors,
and I've never gotten to walk through it because they
can't get through the door.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah yeah, yeah, because.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
They give us like the guards are like kids from
like college, yeah yeah, or are looking for like a
job for the week. You know, they're not like they
don't know how to handle the cos Yeah yeah, not
even not even and they don't know how to like
like I don't know, have like a big bouncer with
(33:02):
me walking through.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Yeah, I have a handler, Danielle Trulio, one of my dearest,
most amazing people in my life, and she happens to
be my handler this year.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
That's nice.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
She'll be like more of a bodyguard to me than
a bodyguard will be. I'm bringing my assistant to take pictures.
Frankie Funachelli. The tickets are very like you. They're unattainable,
they really are.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
So there's backstage passes, there's the regular passes, but all
of it is really cool and the fans deserve it,
they really do. They ride hard for us and they're
very loyal.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Well, I'm excited for you. Have fun over there. Make
sure to tell everyone that will listen that they should
listen to this podcast because yeah, it's a fun show
and season four is coming out very very soon.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Yeah so wells, I will announce it at Bravo Con
at every panel I'm on, I will.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Let them know about us and get the word out.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
All right, all you Faithfuls and Traders out there, thanks
so much for listening to by Order of the Faithfuls.
We'll see you all again next week, where we break
down a new season, season three of The Traders.
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