August 19, 2025 • 39 mins
Teddi confronts Dolores about the new RHONJ casting rumor…
Then, Teddi emphasizes the importance of getting regular skin checks, sharing that she had an abnormal spot removed just yesterday.
Plus, the RHOC girls should know by now… if you go for Tamra, be prepared for a fight!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Two Teas in a Pod with Teddy Mellencamp and camera Jeedge.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hi eyes. Welcome to another episode of Two Teas and
a Pod with myself, Teddy Mellencamp and Delores Catanya.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Hi, Delores, Hi, my Teddy. How are you today?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I'm good. I would be a miss if I didn't
ask you something that I just read on Bravo and cocktails.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
What what are they putting up now? They got us
in trouble all the time.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Well, they're saying, Dolores, there's a new rumor that Real
Housewives in New Jersey is being cast around you, Melissa
and Marge.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
No, Teresa, I don't think that's to be true.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
You don't think that's true.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Cast around me.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
That means that they're going to bring other people in.
And you guys are the three.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
MM cannot no no decisions. This is what they say.
No decisions have been made yet.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Okay, okay, I'll take that answer. And then this is
just on a personal note for me, I just wanted
to give everybody a heads up. So this is a
reminder that even if you have you know, lung cancer,
brain cancer, whatever, you still need to continue to get
your skin checks because yesterday, I went to go get
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a skin check and I had an abnormal spot. Yes,
and so they removed it. They they're sending it in
to get checked and make sure it's nothing. The good
news for me, what I'm telling myself means it's okay,
is it's in a new spot. All of my original
melanomas were on my back and this new spot is
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on my stomach. But I just wanted to remind you guys,
because I hadn't gone in about six months for particular
skin check. Wow, Like, I'm.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
That's a good reminder because people don't think you, especially
with everything you're going through.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah you're like, oh, I'm getting checked, but no, you've
got to go. Remember, go get your skin checks, even
if you're in treatment for something else. There's specialty doctors
that do specialty things. So I'm really glad I went
yesterday because now we're on top of it and it's
going to get it's going to alleviate some stress.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
So I'm glad to hear that. Thank you, And yeah,
I mean, I guess it makes so much sense to
think that because you're at doctors all the time, that
the other things that aren't being checked still exist.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah, they still exist.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Wow, that's really really thank you for sharing that.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Of course, of course. All right, so this first one
is from Daily Dose of Style, Dolores. Do you still
want to get married?
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Well? I never Oh yeah, I mean I'm open to
getting married. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yes, someone wrote it's just paperwork. Is that what you
think of marriage? Yeah, it's just a document.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
It is because I live like I'm married anyway, and
I treat Paul as I would treat a husband, no
differently than I would treat a husband husband. But there
is paperwork that there is a security that comes with
the paperwork of a marriage that when you're putting the
time in with someone you should be entitled to for
(03:33):
both of you.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, I agree. This one is teddy. Have I seen
my dad recently? I have not. I've talked to I
saw him on the fourth of July, but I talked
to him on the phone every single day. And if
I miss his call, he sends a follow up text
like I didn't see the missed call, like.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Hey, let you know, leave you. He doesn't leave you
a voicemail like my dad, this is your father.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, okay, but even though he has call, I d
when I call if I just go, hey. He goes,
who is this? Is this Justice or Teddy? And I'm like,
because Justice is my sister.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Your sister.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah, so you know that my dad is very much there,
but I haven't seen him recently. I can't. Flying is
a lot for me right now, so I'm sure i'll
see him soon.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
How old your dad? Now?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
The other day somebody asked me this, and I straight
face go forty seven because I get my numbers confused.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Oh, seventy four.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I think he's about to be seventy four. Oh he'll
be seventy four in October. So I was pretty close.
I mean not with the forty seven thing, but with
the seventy four thing. I was pretty close. This one
is for both of us. What do you say to
people who think you guys won't criticize Tamra.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
I feel like I always say when my friends are
wrong or right, I say it in a very diplomatic way. Yeah,
so that's what I say to that.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I mean doing that. I think that you know we're
diplomatic about it. I think we also care about her,
so we have empathy towards her, which I think when
we're watching this, I was sitting there thinking I thought
Emily and Gina and and Tamora were in a good place.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
What's happening, I don't know, and I only realized that
in this episode. So I didn't see Emily so much.
I did see Gina losing her patients there. You know,
one of the reasons I think we could both say
why we don't criticize her is because you know your
relationship with Tama, and you know she was also going
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through a lot, being worried about you and sincerely upset,
as you know personally firsthand. I know as well personally
firsthand because I was speaking to her quite a few
times while she was going through which was going through.
So I do know that it's hard for me to
criticize something when I know how they were feeling inside
and what they were going through.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yeah, and it's hard for me to criticize inside because
I've had so many crying conversations with her that were
just devastating during that time. And I know that, you know,
we went from talking every single day to then when
I was in the hospital, some days I couldn't talk
to anybody. Some days I wasn't there. And so she
said that, and I think she felt like she was
(06:30):
probably losing everyone. Yeah, and I think that when you
feel like you it didn't really feel like she had
anybody there for her in that moment. Like and I
even I joked with her on the pod last week.
I was like, what was up with you? Like your
eye looked like a little funky, and she was like, well,
I took a xanax and you know, while having champagne.
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So that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
And I think, and that's there's her criticism right there.
We're saying she was drinking and she took as anax.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, and you know what, that's why she couldn't really
carry the conversation and yeah, a lot of sense. So
there it goes. There's your criticism. I mean, the next
question is did Tarma really quit? I mean, I think
we all know the answer to that. I think in
that moment, she really quit.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, she did, in an emotional in the you know,
the emotional time that she was in in her mind,
she quit. But that that isn't the first time or
the last time that's going to happen in the housewives world.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Especially a beverage xanax fighting exhaustion from a trip. Do
you think Tamara should have shown more compassion to Shannon
last season.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
You want the truth, I didn't watch last season that much,
so I can't. I can't speak on that.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, does think she should have I think Tamra does.
She should have shown more compassion. But I think Tamarra
is very much of a like direct person. So if
something's on her Drie used to always say this, saying,
I'm trying to remember if it's on my lung, it's
on my tongue, you know. Like so, But I do
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think as we're seeing the relationship get stronger, I think
that she does regret some of the things that she says.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Well, she's said that, and she had also also said
she's working on herself and nobody's you know, I've heard
Tamra say she was sorry, and I've heard Tamra say
she was wrong. I don't know how much more we
want from somebody other than to not do those things
again after.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
But sometimes when I mean, and this is something else
that Gina came out, I think it was on E
News or ET or something like that, but she said,
you know, I said something that I regret. Gina had
said something along the lines of like, well, she's doing
these things to get better than why she still making mistakes.
Just because we're working on ourselves doesn't mean we're still
(09:04):
not going to have slip ups.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah, I mean, true, true, So.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, yeah, so I appreciated that she did that. All right,
we'll get into we'll get into the recap now, folks,
But we had to get.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Into all of it. Yeah, And I'm and I love
I love the questions. I love the criticism, and if
they think that we need to say more, then I'll
consider it. I always look at well, I I you know, everybody,
I asked them to weigh in for a reason. So
(09:38):
let me see if I need to say more bad
stuff about Tampa right now. I don't feel like I
need to.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah, right now, I feel like she's gotten a pretty
big pileon and that's always been a very rough time.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
I mean, it's not like she was, you know, walking
in here feeling great and on top of her game.
And I know that emotional times we do things that
maybe we regret. I've done it many times in my life.
I'm putting myself in her shoes because I know firsthand
what she was going through at the time. But the
person on the other end didn't so fine.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah, but they also didn't ask. They didn't want to,
they didn't want to know, They didn't want to give
her any sort of outlet to communicate right while she
was feeling.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
You know what, the truth. I think Tamora brings a
lot to the show, but by the way, how she
can be sometimes, and I think it makes everybody's job
a little lighter. Yeah, And I feel like everybody got
a lot of big balls now to say stuff they
may have wanted to say in the past because Gretchen
was there.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah. True, that's how.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
That's what I have to say.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
That's your opinion. Well, we'll get into the Gretchen aspect
of it all in a little bit, okay. So it's
another day in New Orleans. Gina says she assigned Emily
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to take the trouble Makers, which includes Tamra, Katie, and Shannon.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
I want to be in that bus.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Then, before leaving, Shannon says she will not go to
lunch with Katie. Katie told them they will, she will
go without her. Katie told them go ahead and then
go without me.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Shannon's so funny. I'm sorry. I enjoy her anger.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I would like Katie to bottle up her ability to
maintain calmness in every dramatic situation and actually sell it
to me, and.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Then what we wouldn't have housewife shows?
Speaker 2 (11:48):
But how does she always stay so good? I think
she says calm because she knows she's wrong.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
I think somebody said to her at the table and
not to get ahead of us, like shut the fuck
up or I don't know whatever, and she goes, no,
to get the fuck out of here, and she goes,
I'm not going anywhere.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, wherever? Then we get We panned to Tamra saying
the last time she was in New Orleans was with me.
That is accurate. I don't remember much of that trip.
That was the height of plumb size tumors in my brain.
So it was a really rough trip for us as
friends as well, because you know, you know how I
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am like I like to you know, have my wits
about me and keep things together and have a you know,
follow a pattern, and I couldn't really do that at
that time, and it was just really a struggle. And
we have to remember this is just a few weeks after.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
That, right, right, a few weeks after that, there was
a great deal of And I don't want to speak
for Tamera, but I'm sure that she has mentioned this.
I think you didn't know what was wrong and no
one knew right who would know? Who would have thought?
But she felt bad that she didn't know that you
(13:02):
were going through that. That weighed very heavy on her.
How is it not to get off this? But I
have such a question for you because on a much
smaller scale, when my mom saw the episode, when I
found out she was getting a quadrant she had to
go for open heart surgery. It really when she watched
it back when I got the call, when I was
(13:23):
filming with Jennaiden and my mother watched it, she got
very scared and like relived finding it out all over again.
How is it for you watching this being talked about
and what this is like?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
It makes me emotional, to be perfectly honest, like I'm
watching it and I'm seeing all the heat that Tamar's
getting for you know, like it almost made me sad,
Like why it's hard not to take things personally. But
there's a point when people are just blowing off anything.
Tamor's saying that, like one does nobody care how I felt?
(14:03):
How I did not from Tama's sake from all the
other women, like they see their friends struggling to this extent,
why is nobody helping her?
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
And also yeah, reliving it, seeing it, hearing the conversations
and not being a part of them. Right, And that was,
you know, by choice. I mean obviously I could have
been a part of those conversations, but I knew better.
But this is this is where tam does fuck up
a little bit because she says an absolute which never works.
Tamar tells Shanna she isn't drinking much anymore and that
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she isn't going to have a drink. Where I think
Tamar's getting it is because Tamra says.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
You won't see me wasted while she's wasted.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Correct. Well, no, she wasn't even wasted at that point
in time. It was the same day though, a couple hours.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Prior, right, But she was drinking what you know, water.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah, we all knew it was yellow. It'd be like,
this is a water.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
If you say, listen, I'm the kind of friend if
you say that's fucking water, that's water, okay.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
And it's not like she was trying to hide it
so much. You put it in a clear glass. She
could have.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, pissed water. We didn't say it was piss water.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Then all the girls meet up to walk in a parade.
The event brings awareness to adopting and fostering dogs, which
I'm for. All for this, I'm all for this. It
kind of made me laugh though, when Shannon said I
adopted Archie from the Four Seasons?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I was confused. What's the four Is that a Is
that a puppy mill?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I mean, what is the Four Seasons? She's talking about
the hotel? My guess is she up the dog there
and not come back. Don't I think she was joking.
I think she bought the dog and the breeder brought
it to the Four Seasons and that's where she picked
it up. But I could be wrong. This is completely help.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I took something. I do have her number. I should
ask her.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah, I mean, or maybe she found it running around
the fourth Season.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Yeah, that's a smart dog. Next time, when I come
back as a stray dog, because I know in this
life I fucked up, I'm coming back as a stray dog.
I'm going to run right to a five star hotel outside.
I'm lonely. I didn't learn my lesson.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yet, then all the girls decided to go meet the
voodoo queen.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Bloody marass On that bitch.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I don't care who I would have had to go
sit with. I would have passed on that. Shannon, Tamar
and Gretchen also pass on that because they don't want
to participate, so they head back outside.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
It's so funny they would They've done things like horrible
things in their lives, but they're going to pass on
the voodoo doll okay.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Sitting outside, Tama recounts that Katie claimed to Kikimo that
Gretchen told her Tamra had roofed her. Gretchen says she
never said that, and then Shannon doesn't want to be
around Katie because of what she does. If I were,
I mean, this is all you know, news to me,
(17:17):
like not, I'm not shocked by this information as shocked
as especially Gretchen appeared to be. She tried to squeeze
the tear out, but she was able to say, I
wasn't crying, and we were like, we know, because you
couldn't get a tear out of there, but you wanted
went out.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Just don't try, like if you can't, it's worse if
you try, you're better off. Just not you're funny, Like
she couldn't squeeze one out for.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Us, She couldn't even squeeze out of herself in the eye.
But if I were Katie during this entire voodoo thing,
I'd be keeping an eye on what Heather's doll looked like.
Then we flashed back to Tamor telling Gretchen that she
does want to sit down because there's a lot in
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the past that she wants to apologize for. Gretchen all
of a sudden clocked in when she called out Shannon
for d UI also being illegal.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Well there you go, Yeah, there you go. But but Shannon,
I don't think is hearing it like she's not having it.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah, no, because they're saying the two differences between you know,
giving information, recording somebody on the phone doing all of that,
getting a DUI, I mean all things. Yes, that is
a true statement. It's all illegal, right, but no you can't.
But it's based I guess it didn't have anything to
(18:51):
do with Katie, right, there's no reason for Katie to
get involved.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Well, if you want to talk, Katie was premeditated, I believe, yeah,
And sometimes that's a premeditated murder is you're going to
do more time than you would if you just accidentally
killed somebody.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, that's very true.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
So there's different levels here.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
So Kikim Monique has eluded online like that, Katie is lying,
but she's letting it play out for us on the show.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
She can elude. Okay, first of all, all I want
to say is where's the proof? Where's the proof? Where's
the black and white? Where is it? Let's sas in writing.
Somebody's got it if it's in.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Writing, and I want to see the proof, and then
I want to But then what are we waiting for?
Even if we get the proof? Well, we never got
the proof earlier this season when it came to Katie either,
she never shows. But I guess next episode we'll get
the proof.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Well, I'm waiting for it. How could you hold it
that long?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
I don't know. If it was me and I didn't
do it, I'd been like, do you see anything there?
Do you have your.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Glasses on that we're going to see next episode?
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Oh my gosh. Well, then the girls are getting ready
for dinner, tam Or goes to Shannon's room. Shannon's hair
is honestly that's what my hair would look like if
I try to do it myself. And Tam or even
then it was like, Shannon, I'm scared you're not going
(20:29):
to fix this. I feel scared fix it because you
know when you tease the back and then you just
leave it.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
And yeah, something about Mary.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah, like on day three of like not washing your
hair and it's just not doing that giving greasy.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Yeah, yeah, that's not giving taking its own form.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Then tam Emmer says she is nervous about how to
bring up the Katie situation. Tarama says, it feels good
to have Shannon on her side again.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
It's funny how they bonded over their hate for the
same person.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah, sometimes friend takes well, by the.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Way, they don't usually last those friendships. But hey, it's
good for now, ride this wave.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
And we it was good. I think this is the
first time I've seen her like go to Shannon's room
and those are the tutor recap before they go in.
But I guess, you know, they had a mutual person
that they had an issue with. But Tama's like, at
this point, tamers getting a little nerved up, as she
should be. That Gretchen isn't going to really believe what
(21:40):
Tamar said now, and.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
I understand that she isn't. I mean, I get it,
but unless she's got it in black and white, how's
she going to prove it? I always say it's harder
to prove that you're innocent.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
It's definitely harder to prove that you're innocent. Well, then
Jen goes to Gretchen's room. She's still in a robe,
which bugs me because it's like, you know what time
dinner is and we know you're going. Gretchen tells her
what she heard from Tamra about Katie, and then Katie
then goes to Gretchen's room. Katie seems shocked. She says
she never said that, and she thinks it's all Tama's plan.
(22:18):
I just what I found the most interesting about this
conversation between the three of them is why were Matt
and Slade involved in these conversations? They both said I
talked to Slade, I talked to Matt, like they're calling
their significant others and her husbands and telling them that.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
They did that too. I got very confused.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, I was like, it made it seem like even
more guilty on Katie's.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Part, and why should anybody believe Katie?
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah, and why should anybody believe Matt. We've seen Matt
get a little more.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
I know it's just a big I think it's a
big shit show right now, and they better get their
shit together next episode.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
They need to get their story straight. They need to
get their story straight.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
And you're going to blame somebody for something, then.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Have the croof just yeah, just do it.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
But print the poster board like everyone does, and gets
in trouble for it. Print the folks forard and get
your asses in trouble, allgreens and bit knit.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Then the girls arrive at dinner. Tamar pulls Gretchen to
talk and ask if she should bring up the Katie
story at dinner. At this point, I was like shit,
Gretchen's out. Gretchen tells her that she already talked to
Katie about it and Katie denied it. Gretchen tells the
Tamar that she believes Katie, and then Katie walks over
to them and tells Tamar that she did not tell
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Kiki these things. Tamara is pissed that Gretchen doesn't believe
her and walks back into the dining room. And tells
all the girls, Huh, that's a lot of the moment.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
It's a moment, it's a lot.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
And at this moment, you're you realize what's going to
happen because you realize, holy shit, Like Tamara thought that
she was bonding with Gretchen by being honest with her
about what's going to come out, and now Gretchen doesn't
believe her. So now that's another friend that's you know,
she's trying to she's already said lost, no love, loss,
(24:27):
But she did say she wanted to talk and try
to rekindle them.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Well, there was, yeah, she was. She was considering. Why
do you think because she likes Tamara because she wants
to stay on the show.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
I think because she wants to stay on the show.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Correct, Yeah, And but that's what it's all about in
our in our world, it's all about resolution until absolution
for the next season or the reunion. But we got
to get there.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
What about Shannon then screaming at Katie when she walks
back into the room and Shannon says that Katie has
hurt every person in the group besides Jen. Here's my
problem with this, Like, I don't mind when Shannon gets upset,
but when she screams at that, it loses the plot
For me.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
I love it. I can't get enough of it, like
hysteria and like I'm not used to people getting that
mad without punching somebody in the face, So I like
to watch that all go down without the violence. Shannon
gives me what I'm looking for.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Well, then completely off that we're now we're just completely
switching topics, and Gen chimes in. She says that, like Tam,
while we're going through everything, let's talk about the photo.
I'm like, what does one have to do with the
other at this point? Can we save this photo conversation?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
No? No, this is this is like you ever see
in wrestling when they all jump in the cage at
the same time and they just start beating the shit
out of each other, the royal rumble.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, but then TAM's like, I don't care about that.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
It's time to leave, Tam. It'll take a little break.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
But at this point, Heather get Tam up and walk
her out, be like Tam, I know you're upset. I
love you. This is not gonna end. Well, let's have
this conversation when you're not in this emotional state.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
They let it play out, they let it, they.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Let her just dig that fucking hole.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
But I have to say I was kind of I've
seen Tamra worse and I was kind of again surprised
that Gina went for her in that moment. And I
feel like everybody's got you know, because Gretchen's around. Well,
if you're gonna go for Tama, you better be damn
(26:43):
well prepared for a fight.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah, I mean, well, she goes for her twice. She
says Tama is being rude and that she is sloshed.
And but I wonder when it comes to Gina when
it comes to alcohol, since Gina is sober right of
California sober, if it I don't like to use this word,
but if it like triggers her her, Yes.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
No, I don't, I don't. I don't see that, but
I but I think that's a good it's a good
reason for her to have acted out like that towards her.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yeah, But also I don't know, just it, She's clear.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Everybody's drink's Tama's not the only one drinking.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Tama's not the only one drinking. But then Tamar snaps
at Heather when Heather asks her if she wants some
of her dish. Shannon says she does not know how
many drinks Tamara had, but does not think that the
water Tamar brought into her hotel room earlier was actually water.
Tamar had just told Shannon five hours before this that
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she wouldn't see Tama wasted again.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Then the table goes sett Meanwhile, back fast forward.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Meanwhile, Tama was like, listen, I didn't ruvy Gretchen, but
I'm about.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Roofing myself for this dinner. Hey, with friends like Shannon
having her back and making her stop drinking the yellow water.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
I mean, the yellow water is probably why maybe she
had a parasite.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah, excuse it's called a point.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Then in the hall, the producer asked Tamar if she's okay,
and Tarma starts crying, and this moment you realize where
Tamar is mentally. She says, I just want to go home.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I felt so bad when she did that.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
It's like she's crying. Heather gets up to talk to
Tamar and tells her not to act like that, like
she's not acting like herself. And then Tamar comes at
Heather and tells her to go fuck off and that
she can have Gretchen, And Heather doesn't know why Tamar
is coming after her.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I do, yeah, because she asked her if she wanted
some of her gumbow soup.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yeah, like you needed to have a bite of eat
to eat, and then Shannon goes. I offered her my water.
I gave her genus water.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
When Heather offered Gretchen her gumbo soup, Oh your fucking body, huh,
you get buddy over here, Gretchen, You're gonna have her
have some of your soup?
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Now you could go soup you actually have to touch.
It's not soup. Isn't like do you want one of
my chicken fingers?
Speaker 1 (29:26):
No, she was like, you want some of my gumbo soup.
And then as blasted as Tamar was, she was like, oh,
you guys are buddies. Now you're sharing soup.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
This is where I draw the fucking line.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Yeah, you want you want to be friends, you shoot soup. Shaer,
go ahead.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Soup share you you have.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Curiously, and then that's what pissed her off. And as
she was walking out, she's like, you can have Gretchen. Yeah,
but she literally had actually had to say, this is
Tamra hey grutching, you want some soup, like you fucking doing?
Speaker 2 (30:11):
That was not the time. Then they're still sitting at dinner.
Then it's like, nobody goes with Tamar. Tamar's down in
the lobby. I think it's probably like a two story restaurant.
She asked, should I get an uber? And then the
girls all see Tamar's story, saying this was what I
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want to read it word nothing.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Like somebody running out after a camera.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Though no, none.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Heather did, but she can't.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Make it downstairs. She didn't want to miss the dessert. Well,
but then the girls see Tameras ends the story while
they're all sitting there, saying it was a long run.
When life gives you real problems. This reality ship doesn't
make sense. The girls wonder what this means. Is she
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quitting the show? I mean, honestly, I'm shocked Haam was
able to do that, To write that up on her
phone and post that.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
That's a saying she didn't.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
No, I'm saying she did. Well, clearly she did. But
I mean if I was in that state, I don't
know that I would have been able to be posting
instant stories, telling sending texts for people to fuck off.
I'd probably be passed out in the back of that uber.
She gave me to quit the next.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
With the last bit she had left. You know, Tamar,
I'll always have the last word.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah, well she did, and so she leaves us on
a cliffhanger. I know at this point, I was like,
probably in the hospital room, I don't know, but I
was still somehow looking at into stories and I saw
that and I'm like, holy shit, this can't be happening.
And I'm like I had to get on the horn
harassing tam or the next day, I'm like, did you
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mean to post that? Were you hacked? What's going on?
You're not quick? She's like, I'm quitting. I'm like, and
I gave her a big, big tongue.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Yes you did. And I remember speaking to her about that,
and you gave her the strength to stay.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
I'm glad that she.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Had round up in the end. It works out for
her in the end.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Let's just say that, well, let's just hope that, let's
hope that it gets better because it's been I mean,
I feel like we won't see Tamer next episode.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
As my guess, no, no, no, there's a little bit
of a lapse.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I think we have a lapse. I think this is
where we get to the more. Next week, we'll find
out more about Katie, and then then I think we
have a lapse in Katie.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Well, how many episodes does this trip?
Speaker 2 (32:47):
I don't know. Do you think that I'm wrong?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah? I do. I think something big happens this next episode.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Oh so you think Tamor will be in the next episode.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
I don't know if she'll be in it, but I
talk about clearly it's a very, very pivotal moment for
the season.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Oh okay, Well, I like it.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
It was a hard episode to watch. It made me sad,
but I feel like everybody's doing their part. I mean
when Emma's trying to trying to get the troops together
to all have like some sort of cohesive conversation. Finally
she was just like, I got to give up on
this shit. I can't do it.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
I love I like the aesthetics of the trip. I
like there's a lot going on where they went. You know,
it's not boring.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
They had a lot of beignets. Everybody had Beignet's, the
big pants, the puppy parade.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I love that shit. They had their fair share of
fights and friendships and a lot getting resolved. Kudos, girls,
good job.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Who do you think you would naturally get along with
best in that group? You can't say Tamra.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Okay, So if I can't say Tamra, I like Gina
and Emily's friendship. But I don't know that there's a
lot of room for anyone else in it.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
They they're very tight knit. They go to the bathroom together,
they have their conversations together, they do all their things together.
So then Heather, there's who's left Heather, Shannon.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Jen, Heather, Shannon, Jen, and Katie.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Katie and Gretchen And for sure, for sure Gretchen and Katie.
I'd be best friends with them. I would connect myself.
I would jump on that friendship so quick. I probably
wouldn't last an hour with either one of them. No,
I don't know, you know it would be between Shannon
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and Heather.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
I think i'd go with Heather. Yeah, I'd both of them.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Heather's funny. I'd have to get to know both of
them a little better. Because I've spent more time with
Shannon at times. We've done some press things together. I
would have to spend more time with Heather to give
you an answer on that.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Maybe we need to have a hangout me you, Heather
and Shannon and say, listen, guys, we're auditioning you to
see who would we would be closest with.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Who I'd let you sit at my lunch table? Okay,
which one I'd let sit at my lunch table?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
All right?
Speaker 1 (35:29):
So I let always let the underdogs sit at my
lunch table.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
You do always did in high school.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
This is no one said alone, Teddy.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
You know what they sit alone tonight?
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Huh?
Speaker 2 (35:45):
They left Tamra alone tonight. They did could get our
own uber.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Now, let me ask you what would you have done
if you were there? How would you have handled that?
Would you stand behind Tamar and say, fuck you, that's
my friend, don't talk to her like that? Like? What
would you have done?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
I think I probably would have if I was in
the right state of mind, I think I probably would
have been like you, guys, this is where it's too
fucking much. Let's wait and get the actual information. I
want to see the proof. I also want to know
who these two reputable people are other than Kiki Monique
that are saying it. And let's go for it. Let's
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go from there. We can't accomplish any goals here. We
could have maybe accomplished things when it came to Jin
and Tamra had she been in a place, But yeah,
a million percent. I would have when I saw Tamra
come in and her eye makeups all smudged over on
the side, she's not looking like herself, and she's clearly
not doing well, I think I'd be like, you know what,
tam let's go back and watch a movie. Now's not
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the time, because I don't think.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Any production wouldn't have let you do that.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
I think they would have. I think they would have
after the first time when she wasn't making sense. If
I said, and then they would film us in our room.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Talking about the world, they would have handcuffed you to
the chair and said, let's let's let you make a
slop of yourselves. Let's go.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
If tarmor would have openly at that moment said I'm
on xanax and alcohol.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Oh, then it's a liability that's different.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
And they would have let her walk out with me.
So if I would have been like Tarmora, honestly, I
know that you're struggling, but what's going on and she
would have told me the truth in that moment and said, like,
you know, I'm overserved and whatever capacity I'm in, and
then I would have gone and we could have filmed
talking about it all when she sobered up a little
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bit by the time we got back to the hotel
from the Uber. Yeah, okay, and then we would have
gotten the full side. But now we're confused. Now now
it's just everybody against tam and I do think it'll
switch because there's a bunch of fires in the group.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Well we're going to find out.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Well, thank you Dolores for another great episode. If appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
And how are you?
Speaker 2 (38:03):
And I don't know if I'm going to be doing
Miami with Dolores or with Tama this week. It depends
when it drops, because I think Tamara might be out
of town.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
But I where by this week, I'm getting my hands done.
Tomorrow you are maybe on skin tightening, fat transfer and
skin tightening.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
That's a big day, yeah, and then.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
I'm flying home the next day.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
That sounds like a good plan.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yeah, I have.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Well, we celebrated my son's birthday early and then I
asked him, I go, what do you want to do
on your actual birthday, and he goes, I'd like to
get a massage.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
What there's some good places that you could take them.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
I'm like, oh, okay, we'll go get a massage. Don't
twist my arm. But I mean, I don't know if
we're going to get it. Half Beefeet down there, so sure.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Of what I mean? Okay, get okay, you are eleven,
now it's time.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Oh my god. All right, guys, thanks for tuning in.
Before we'll get ourselves in any more trouble.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
We got a guy. Bye,
Two Teas in a Pod with Teddy Mellencamp and camera Jeedge.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hi eyes. Welcome to another episode of Two Teas and
a Pod with myself, Teddy Mellencamp and Delores Catanya.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Hi, Delores, Hi, my Teddy. How are you today?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I'm good. I would be a miss if I didn't
ask you something that I just read on Bravo and cocktails.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
What what are they putting up now? They got us
in trouble all the time.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Well, they're saying, Dolores, there's a new rumor that Real
Housewives in New Jersey is being cast around you, Melissa
and Marge.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
No, Teresa, I don't think that's to be true.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
You don't think that's true.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Cast around me.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
That means that they're going to bring other people in.
And you guys are the three.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
MM cannot no no decisions. This is what they say.
No decisions have been made yet.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Okay, okay, I'll take that answer. And then this is
just on a personal note for me, I just wanted
to give everybody a heads up. So this is a
reminder that even if you have you know, lung cancer,
brain cancer, whatever, you still need to continue to get
your skin checks because yesterday, I went to go get
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a skin check and I had an abnormal spot. Yes,
and so they removed it. They they're sending it in
to get checked and make sure it's nothing. The good
news for me, what I'm telling myself means it's okay,
is it's in a new spot. All of my original
melanomas were on my back and this new spot is
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on my stomach. But I just wanted to remind you guys,
because I hadn't gone in about six months for particular
skin check. Wow, Like, I'm.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
That's a good reminder because people don't think you, especially
with everything you're going through.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah you're like, oh, I'm getting checked, but no, you've
got to go. Remember, go get your skin checks, even
if you're in treatment for something else. There's specialty doctors
that do specialty things. So I'm really glad I went
yesterday because now we're on top of it and it's
going to get it's going to alleviate some stress.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
So I'm glad to hear that. Thank you, And yeah,
I mean, I guess it makes so much sense to
think that because you're at doctors all the time, that
the other things that aren't being checked still exist.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah, they still exist.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Wow, that's really really thank you for sharing that.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Of course, of course. All right, so this first one
is from Daily Dose of Style, Dolores. Do you still
want to get married?
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Well? I never Oh yeah, I mean I'm open to
getting married. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yes, someone wrote it's just paperwork. Is that what you
think of marriage? Yeah, it's just a document.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
It is because I live like I'm married anyway, and
I treat Paul as I would treat a husband, no
differently than I would treat a husband husband. But there
is paperwork that there is a security that comes with
the paperwork of a marriage that when you're putting the
time in with someone you should be entitled to for
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both of you.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, I agree. This one is teddy. Have I seen
my dad recently? I have not. I've talked to I
saw him on the fourth of July, but I talked
to him on the phone every single day. And if
I miss his call, he sends a follow up text
like I didn't see the missed call, like.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Hey, let you know, leave you. He doesn't leave you
a voicemail like my dad, this is your father.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, okay, but even though he has call, I d
when I call if I just go, hey. He goes,
who is this? Is this Justice or Teddy? And I'm like,
because Justice is my sister.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Your sister.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah, so you know that my dad is very much there,
but I haven't seen him recently. I can't. Flying is
a lot for me right now, so I'm sure i'll
see him soon.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
How old your dad? Now?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
The other day somebody asked me this, and I straight
face go forty seven because I get my numbers confused.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Oh, seventy four.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I think he's about to be seventy four. Oh he'll
be seventy four in October. So I was pretty close.
I mean not with the forty seven thing, but with
the seventy four thing. I was pretty close. This one
is for both of us. What do you say to
people who think you guys won't criticize Tamra.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
I feel like I always say when my friends are
wrong or right, I say it in a very diplomatic way. Yeah,
so that's what I say to that.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I mean doing that. I think that you know we're
diplomatic about it. I think we also care about her,
so we have empathy towards her, which I think when
we're watching this, I was sitting there thinking I thought
Emily and Gina and and Tamora were in a good place.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
What's happening, I don't know, and I only realized that
in this episode. So I didn't see Emily so much.
I did see Gina losing her patients there. You know,
one of the reasons I think we could both say
why we don't criticize her is because you know your
relationship with Tama, and you know she was also going
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through a lot, being worried about you and sincerely upset,
as you know personally firsthand. I know as well personally
firsthand because I was speaking to her quite a few
times while she was going through which was going through.
So I do know that it's hard for me to
criticize something when I know how they were feeling inside
and what they were going through.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yeah, and it's hard for me to criticize inside because
I've had so many crying conversations with her that were
just devastating during that time. And I know that, you know,
we went from talking every single day to then when
I was in the hospital, some days I couldn't talk
to anybody. Some days I wasn't there. And so she
said that, and I think she felt like she was
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probably losing everyone. Yeah, and I think that when you
feel like you it didn't really feel like she had
anybody there for her in that moment. Like and I
even I joked with her on the pod last week.
I was like, what was up with you? Like your
eye looked like a little funky, and she was like, well,
I took a xanax and you know, while having champagne.
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So that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
And I think, and that's there's her criticism right there.
We're saying she was drinking and she took as anax.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, and you know what, that's why she couldn't really
carry the conversation and yeah, a lot of sense. So
there it goes. There's your criticism. I mean, the next
question is did Tarma really quit? I mean, I think
we all know the answer to that. I think in
that moment, she really quit.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, she did, in an emotional in the you know,
the emotional time that she was in in her mind,
she quit. But that that isn't the first time or
the last time that's going to happen in the housewives world.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Especially a beverage xanax fighting exhaustion from a trip. Do
you think Tamara should have shown more compassion to Shannon
last season.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
You want the truth, I didn't watch last season that much,
so I can't. I can't speak on that.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, does think she should have I think Tamra does.
She should have shown more compassion. But I think Tamarra
is very much of a like direct person. So if
something's on her Drie used to always say this, saying,
I'm trying to remember if it's on my lung, it's
on my tongue, you know. Like so, But I do
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think as we're seeing the relationship get stronger, I think
that she does regret some of the things that she says.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Well, she's said that, and she had also also said
she's working on herself and nobody's you know, I've heard
Tamra say she was sorry, and I've heard Tamra say
she was wrong. I don't know how much more we
want from somebody other than to not do those things
again after.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
But sometimes when I mean, and this is something else
that Gina came out, I think it was on E
News or ET or something like that, but she said,
you know, I said something that I regret. Gina had
said something along the lines of like, well, she's doing
these things to get better than why she still making mistakes.
Just because we're working on ourselves doesn't mean we're still
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not going to have slip ups.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah, I mean, true, true, So.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, yeah, so I appreciated that she did that. All right,
we'll get into we'll get into the recap now, folks,
But we had to get.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Into all of it. Yeah, And I'm and I love
I love the questions. I love the criticism, and if
they think that we need to say more, then I'll
consider it. I always look at well, I I you know, everybody,
I asked them to weigh in for a reason. So
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let me see if I need to say more bad
stuff about Tampa right now. I don't feel like I
need to.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah, right now, I feel like she's gotten a pretty
big pileon and that's always been a very rough time.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
I mean, it's not like she was, you know, walking
in here feeling great and on top of her game.
And I know that emotional times we do things that
maybe we regret. I've done it many times in my life.
I'm putting myself in her shoes because I know firsthand
what she was going through at the time. But the
person on the other end didn't so fine.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah, but they also didn't ask. They didn't want to,
they didn't want to know, They didn't want to give
her any sort of outlet to communicate right while she
was feeling.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
You know what, the truth. I think Tamora brings a
lot to the show, but by the way, how she
can be sometimes, and I think it makes everybody's job
a little lighter. Yeah, And I feel like everybody got
a lot of big balls now to say stuff they
may have wanted to say in the past because Gretchen
was there.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah. True, that's how.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
That's what I have to say.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
That's your opinion. Well, we'll get into the Gretchen aspect
of it all in a little bit, okay. So it's
another day in New Orleans. Gina says she assigned Emily
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to take the trouble Makers, which includes Tamra, Katie, and Shannon.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
I want to be in that bus.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Then, before leaving, Shannon says she will not go to
lunch with Katie. Katie told them they will, she will
go without her. Katie told them go ahead and then
go without me.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Shannon's so funny. I'm sorry. I enjoy her anger.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I would like Katie to bottle up her ability to
maintain calmness in every dramatic situation and actually sell it
to me, and.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Then what we wouldn't have housewife shows?
Speaker 2 (11:48):
But how does she always stay so good? I think
she says calm because she knows she's wrong.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
I think somebody said to her at the table and
not to get ahead of us, like shut the fuck
up or I don't know whatever, and she goes, no,
to get the fuck out of here, and she goes,
I'm not going anywhere.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, wherever? Then we get We panned to Tamra saying
the last time she was in New Orleans was with me.
That is accurate. I don't remember much of that trip.
That was the height of plumb size tumors in my brain.
So it was a really rough trip for us as
friends as well, because you know, you know how I
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am like I like to you know, have my wits
about me and keep things together and have a you know,
follow a pattern, and I couldn't really do that at
that time, and it was just really a struggle. And
we have to remember this is just a few weeks after.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
That, right, right, a few weeks after that, there was
a great deal of And I don't want to speak
for Tamera, but I'm sure that she has mentioned this.
I think you didn't know what was wrong and no
one knew right who would know? Who would have thought?
But she felt bad that she didn't know that you
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were going through that. That weighed very heavy on her.
How is it not to get off this? But I
have such a question for you because on a much
smaller scale, when my mom saw the episode, when I
found out she was getting a quadrant she had to
go for open heart surgery. It really when she watched
it back when I got the call, when I was
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filming with Jennaiden and my mother watched it, she got
very scared and like relived finding it out all over again.
How is it for you watching this being talked about
and what this is like?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
It makes me emotional, to be perfectly honest, like I'm
watching it and I'm seeing all the heat that Tamar's
getting for you know, like it almost made me sad,
Like why it's hard not to take things personally. But
there's a point when people are just blowing off anything.
Tamor's saying that, like one does nobody care how I felt?
(14:03):
How I did not from Tama's sake from all the
other women, like they see their friends struggling to this extent,
why is nobody helping her?
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
And also yeah, reliving it, seeing it, hearing the conversations
and not being a part of them. Right, And that was,
you know, by choice. I mean obviously I could have
been a part of those conversations, but I knew better.
But this is this is where tam does fuck up
a little bit because she says an absolute which never works.
Tamar tells Shanna she isn't drinking much anymore and that
(14:37):
she isn't going to have a drink. Where I think
Tamar's getting it is because Tamra says.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
You won't see me wasted while she's wasted.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Correct. Well, no, she wasn't even wasted at that point
in time. It was the same day though, a couple hours.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Prior, right, But she was drinking what you know, water.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah, we all knew it was yellow. It'd be like,
this is a water.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
If you say, listen, I'm the kind of friend if
you say that's fucking water, that's water, okay.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
And it's not like she was trying to hide it
so much. You put it in a clear glass. She
could have.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, pissed water. We didn't say it was piss water.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Then all the girls meet up to walk in a parade.
The event brings awareness to adopting and fostering dogs, which
I'm for. All for this, I'm all for this. It
kind of made me laugh though, when Shannon said I
adopted Archie from the Four Seasons?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I was confused. What's the four Is that a Is
that a puppy mill?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I mean, what is the Four Seasons? She's talking about
the hotel? My guess is she up the dog there
and not come back. Don't I think she was joking.
I think she bought the dog and the breeder brought
it to the Four Seasons and that's where she picked
it up. But I could be wrong. This is completely help.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I took something. I do have her number. I should
ask her.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah, I mean, or maybe she found it running around
the fourth Season.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Yeah, that's a smart dog. Next time, when I come
back as a stray dog, because I know in this
life I fucked up, I'm coming back as a stray dog.
I'm going to run right to a five star hotel outside.
I'm lonely. I didn't learn my lesson.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yet, then all the girls decided to go meet the
voodoo queen.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Bloody marass On that bitch.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I don't care who I would have had to go
sit with. I would have passed on that. Shannon, Tamar
and Gretchen also pass on that because they don't want
to participate, so they head back outside.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
It's so funny they would They've done things like horrible
things in their lives, but they're going to pass on
the voodoo doll okay.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Sitting outside, Tama recounts that Katie claimed to Kikimo that
Gretchen told her Tamra had roofed her. Gretchen says she
never said that, and then Shannon doesn't want to be
around Katie because of what she does. If I were,
I mean, this is all you know, news to me,
(17:17):
like not, I'm not shocked by this information as shocked
as especially Gretchen appeared to be. She tried to squeeze
the tear out, but she was able to say, I
wasn't crying, and we were like, we know, because you
couldn't get a tear out of there, but you wanted
went out.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Just don't try, like if you can't, it's worse if
you try, you're better off. Just not you're funny, Like
she couldn't squeeze one out for.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Us, She couldn't even squeeze out of herself in the eye.
But if I were Katie during this entire voodoo thing,
I'd be keeping an eye on what Heather's doll looked like.
Then we flashed back to Tamor telling Gretchen that she
does want to sit down because there's a lot in
(18:08):
the past that she wants to apologize for. Gretchen all
of a sudden clocked in when she called out Shannon
for d UI also being illegal.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Well there you go, Yeah, there you go. But but Shannon,
I don't think is hearing it like she's not having it.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah, no, because they're saying the two differences between you know,
giving information, recording somebody on the phone doing all of that,
getting a DUI, I mean all things. Yes, that is
a true statement. It's all illegal, right, but no you can't.
But it's based I guess it didn't have anything to
(18:51):
do with Katie, right, there's no reason for Katie to
get involved.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Well, if you want to talk, Katie was premeditated, I believe, yeah,
And sometimes that's a premeditated murder is you're going to
do more time than you would if you just accidentally
killed somebody.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, that's very true.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
So there's different levels here.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
So Kikim Monique has eluded online like that, Katie is lying,
but she's letting it play out for us on the show.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
She can elude. Okay, first of all, all I want
to say is where's the proof? Where's the proof? Where's
the black and white? Where is it? Let's sas in writing.
Somebody's got it if it's in.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Writing, and I want to see the proof, and then
I want to But then what are we waiting for?
Even if we get the proof? Well, we never got
the proof earlier this season when it came to Katie either,
she never shows. But I guess next episode we'll get
the proof.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Well, I'm waiting for it. How could you hold it
that long?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
I don't know. If it was me and I didn't
do it, I'd been like, do you see anything there?
Do you have your.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Glasses on that we're going to see next episode?
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Oh my gosh. Well, then the girls are getting ready
for dinner, tam Or goes to Shannon's room. Shannon's hair
is honestly that's what my hair would look like if
I try to do it myself. And Tam or even
then it was like, Shannon, I'm scared you're not going
(20:29):
to fix this. I feel scared fix it because you
know when you tease the back and then you just
leave it.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
And yeah, something about Mary.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah, like on day three of like not washing your
hair and it's just not doing that giving greasy.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Yeah, yeah, that's not giving taking its own form.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Then tam Emmer says she is nervous about how to
bring up the Katie situation. Tarama says, it feels good
to have Shannon on her side again.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
It's funny how they bonded over their hate for the
same person.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah, sometimes friend takes well, by the.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Way, they don't usually last those friendships. But hey, it's
good for now, ride this wave.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
And we it was good. I think this is the
first time I've seen her like go to Shannon's room
and those are the tutor recap before they go in.
But I guess, you know, they had a mutual person
that they had an issue with. But Tama's like, at
this point, tamers getting a little nerved up, as she
should be. That Gretchen isn't going to really believe what
(21:40):
Tamar said now, and.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
I understand that she isn't. I mean, I get it,
but unless she's got it in black and white, how's
she going to prove it? I always say it's harder
to prove that you're innocent.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
It's definitely harder to prove that you're innocent. Well, then
Jen goes to Gretchen's room. She's still in a robe,
which bugs me because it's like, you know what time
dinner is and we know you're going. Gretchen tells her
what she heard from Tamra about Katie, and then Katie
then goes to Gretchen's room. Katie seems shocked. She says
she never said that, and she thinks it's all Tama's plan.
(22:18):
I just what I found the most interesting about this
conversation between the three of them is why were Matt
and Slade involved in these conversations? They both said I
talked to Slade, I talked to Matt, like they're calling
their significant others and her husbands and telling them that.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
They did that too. I got very confused.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, I was like, it made it seem like even
more guilty on Katie's.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Part, and why should anybody believe Katie?
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah, and why should anybody believe Matt. We've seen Matt
get a little more.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
I know it's just a big I think it's a
big shit show right now, and they better get their
shit together next episode.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
They need to get their story straight. They need to
get their story straight.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
And you're going to blame somebody for something, then.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Have the croof just yeah, just do it.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
But print the poster board like everyone does, and gets
in trouble for it. Print the folks forard and get
your asses in trouble, allgreens and bit knit.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Then the girls arrive at dinner. Tamar pulls Gretchen to
talk and ask if she should bring up the Katie
story at dinner. At this point, I was like shit,
Gretchen's out. Gretchen tells her that she already talked to
Katie about it and Katie denied it. Gretchen tells the
Tamar that she believes Katie, and then Katie walks over
to them and tells Tamar that she did not tell
(23:53):
Kiki these things. Tamara is pissed that Gretchen doesn't believe
her and walks back into the dining room. And tells
all the girls, Huh, that's a lot of the moment.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
It's a moment, it's a lot.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
And at this moment, you're you realize what's going to
happen because you realize, holy shit, Like Tamara thought that
she was bonding with Gretchen by being honest with her
about what's going to come out, and now Gretchen doesn't
believe her. So now that's another friend that's you know,
she's trying to she's already said lost, no love, loss,
(24:27):
But she did say she wanted to talk and try
to rekindle them.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Well, there was, yeah, she was. She was considering. Why
do you think because she likes Tamara because she wants
to stay on the show.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
I think because she wants to stay on the show.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Correct, Yeah, And but that's what it's all about in
our in our world, it's all about resolution until absolution
for the next season or the reunion. But we got
to get there.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
What about Shannon then screaming at Katie when she walks
back into the room and Shannon says that Katie has
hurt every person in the group besides Jen. Here's my
problem with this, Like, I don't mind when Shannon gets upset,
but when she screams at that, it loses the plot
For me.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
I love it. I can't get enough of it, like
hysteria and like I'm not used to people getting that
mad without punching somebody in the face, So I like
to watch that all go down without the violence. Shannon
gives me what I'm looking for.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Well, then completely off that we're now we're just completely
switching topics, and Gen chimes in. She says that, like Tam,
while we're going through everything, let's talk about the photo.
I'm like, what does one have to do with the
other at this point? Can we save this photo conversation?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
No? No, this is this is like you ever see
in wrestling when they all jump in the cage at
the same time and they just start beating the shit
out of each other, the royal rumble.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, but then TAM's like, I don't care about that.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
It's time to leave, Tam. It'll take a little break.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
But at this point, Heather get Tam up and walk
her out, be like Tam, I know you're upset. I
love you. This is not gonna end. Well, let's have
this conversation when you're not in this emotional state.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
They let it play out, they let it, they.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Let her just dig that fucking hole.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
But I have to say I was kind of I've
seen Tamra worse and I was kind of again surprised
that Gina went for her in that moment. And I
feel like everybody's got you know, because Gretchen's around. Well,
if you're gonna go for Tama, you better be damn
(26:43):
well prepared for a fight.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah, I mean, well, she goes for her twice. She
says Tama is being rude and that she is sloshed.
And but I wonder when it comes to Gina when
it comes to alcohol, since Gina is sober right of
California sober, if it I don't like to use this word,
but if it like triggers her her, Yes.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
No, I don't, I don't. I don't see that, but
I but I think that's a good it's a good
reason for her to have acted out like that towards her.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yeah, But also I don't know, just it, She's clear.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Everybody's drink's Tama's not the only one drinking.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Tama's not the only one drinking. But then Tamar snaps
at Heather when Heather asks her if she wants some
of her dish. Shannon says she does not know how
many drinks Tamara had, but does not think that the
water Tamar brought into her hotel room earlier was actually water.
Tamar had just told Shannon five hours before this that
(27:46):
she wouldn't see Tama wasted again.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Then the table goes sett Meanwhile, back fast forward.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Meanwhile, Tama was like, listen, I didn't ruvy Gretchen, but
I'm about.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Roofing myself for this dinner. Hey, with friends like Shannon
having her back and making her stop drinking the yellow water.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
I mean, the yellow water is probably why maybe she
had a parasite.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah, excuse it's called a point.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Then in the hall, the producer asked Tamar if she's okay,
and Tarma starts crying, and this moment you realize where
Tamar is mentally. She says, I just want to go home.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I felt so bad when she did that.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
It's like she's crying. Heather gets up to talk to
Tamar and tells her not to act like that, like
she's not acting like herself. And then Tamar comes at
Heather and tells her to go fuck off and that
she can have Gretchen, And Heather doesn't know why Tamar
is coming after her.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I do, yeah, because she asked her if she wanted
some of her gumbow soup.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yeah, like you needed to have a bite of eat
to eat, and then Shannon goes. I offered her my water.
I gave her genus water.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
When Heather offered Gretchen her gumbo soup, Oh your fucking body, huh,
you get buddy over here, Gretchen, You're gonna have her
have some of your soup?
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Now you could go soup you actually have to touch.
It's not soup. Isn't like do you want one of
my chicken fingers?
Speaker 1 (29:26):
No, she was like, you want some of my gumbo soup.
And then as blasted as Tamar was, she was like, oh,
you guys are buddies. Now you're sharing soup.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
This is where I draw the fucking line.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Yeah, you want you want to be friends, you shoot soup. Shaer,
go ahead.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Soup share you you have.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Curiously, and then that's what pissed her off. And as
she was walking out, she's like, you can have Gretchen. Yeah,
but she literally had actually had to say, this is
Tamra hey grutching, you want some soup, like you fucking doing?
Speaker 2 (30:11):
That was not the time. Then they're still sitting at dinner.
Then it's like, nobody goes with Tamar. Tamar's down in
the lobby. I think it's probably like a two story restaurant.
She asked, should I get an uber? And then the
girls all see Tamar's story, saying this was what I
(30:32):
want to read it word nothing.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Like somebody running out after a camera.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Though no, none.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Heather did, but she can't.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Make it downstairs. She didn't want to miss the dessert. Well,
but then the girls see Tameras ends the story while
they're all sitting there, saying it was a long run.
When life gives you real problems. This reality ship doesn't
make sense. The girls wonder what this means. Is she
(31:00):
quitting the show? I mean, honestly, I'm shocked Haam was
able to do that, To write that up on her
phone and post that.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
That's a saying she didn't.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
No, I'm saying she did. Well, clearly she did. But
I mean if I was in that state, I don't
know that I would have been able to be posting
instant stories, telling sending texts for people to fuck off.
I'd probably be passed out in the back of that uber.
She gave me to quit the next.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
With the last bit she had left. You know, Tamar,
I'll always have the last word.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah, well she did, and so she leaves us on
a cliffhanger. I know at this point, I was like,
probably in the hospital room, I don't know, but I
was still somehow looking at into stories and I saw
that and I'm like, holy shit, this can't be happening.
And I'm like I had to get on the horn
harassing tam or the next day, I'm like, did you
(31:56):
mean to post that? Were you hacked? What's going on?
You're not quick? She's like, I'm quitting. I'm like, and
I gave her a big, big tongue.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Yes you did. And I remember speaking to her about that,
and you gave her the strength to stay.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
I'm glad that she.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Had round up in the end. It works out for
her in the end.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Let's just say that, well, let's just hope that, let's
hope that it gets better because it's been I mean,
I feel like we won't see Tamer next episode.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
As my guess, no, no, no, there's a little bit
of a lapse.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I think we have a lapse. I think this is
where we get to the more. Next week, we'll find
out more about Katie, and then then I think we
have a lapse in Katie.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Well, how many episodes does this trip?
Speaker 2 (32:47):
I don't know. Do you think that I'm wrong?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah? I do. I think something big happens this next episode.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Oh so you think Tamor will be in the next episode.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
I don't know if she'll be in it, but I
talk about clearly it's a very, very pivotal moment for
the season.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Oh okay, Well, I like it.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
It was a hard episode to watch. It made me sad,
but I feel like everybody's doing their part. I mean
when Emma's trying to trying to get the troops together
to all have like some sort of cohesive conversation. Finally
she was just like, I got to give up on
this shit. I can't do it.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
I love I like the aesthetics of the trip. I
like there's a lot going on where they went. You know,
it's not boring.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
They had a lot of beignets. Everybody had Beignet's, the
big pants, the puppy parade.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I love that shit. They had their fair share of
fights and friendships and a lot getting resolved. Kudos, girls,
good job.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Who do you think you would naturally get along with
best in that group? You can't say Tamra.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Okay, So if I can't say Tamra, I like Gina
and Emily's friendship. But I don't know that there's a
lot of room for anyone else in it.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
They they're very tight knit. They go to the bathroom together,
they have their conversations together, they do all their things together.
So then Heather, there's who's left Heather, Shannon.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Jen, Heather, Shannon, Jen, and Katie.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Katie and Gretchen And for sure, for sure Gretchen and Katie.
I'd be best friends with them. I would connect myself.
I would jump on that friendship so quick. I probably
wouldn't last an hour with either one of them. No,
I don't know, you know it would be between Shannon
(34:56):
and Heather.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
I think i'd go with Heather. Yeah, I'd both of them.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Heather's funny. I'd have to get to know both of
them a little better. Because I've spent more time with
Shannon at times. We've done some press things together. I
would have to spend more time with Heather to give
you an answer on that.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Maybe we need to have a hangout me you, Heather
and Shannon and say, listen, guys, we're auditioning you to
see who would we would be closest with.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Who I'd let you sit at my lunch table? Okay,
which one I'd let sit at my lunch table?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
All right?
Speaker 1 (35:29):
So I let always let the underdogs sit at my
lunch table.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
You do always did in high school.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
This is no one said alone, Teddy.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
You know what they sit alone tonight?
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Huh?
Speaker 2 (35:45):
They left Tamra alone tonight. They did could get our
own uber.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Now, let me ask you what would you have done
if you were there? How would you have handled that?
Would you stand behind Tamar and say, fuck you, that's
my friend, don't talk to her like that? Like? What
would you have done?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
I think I probably would have if I was in
the right state of mind, I think I probably would
have been like you, guys, this is where it's too
fucking much. Let's wait and get the actual information. I
want to see the proof. I also want to know
who these two reputable people are other than Kiki Monique
that are saying it. And let's go for it. Let's
(36:23):
go from there. We can't accomplish any goals here. We
could have maybe accomplished things when it came to Jin
and Tamra had she been in a place, But yeah,
a million percent. I would have when I saw Tamra
come in and her eye makeups all smudged over on
the side, she's not looking like herself, and she's clearly
not doing well, I think I'd be like, you know what,
tam let's go back and watch a movie. Now's not
(36:45):
the time, because I don't think.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Any production wouldn't have let you do that.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
I think they would have. I think they would have
after the first time when she wasn't making sense. If
I said, and then they would film us in our room.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Talking about the world, they would have handcuffed you to
the chair and said, let's let's let you make a
slop of yourselves. Let's go.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
If tarmor would have openly at that moment said I'm
on xanax and alcohol.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Oh, then it's a liability that's different.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
And they would have let her walk out with me.
So if I would have been like Tarmora, honestly, I
know that you're struggling, but what's going on and she
would have told me the truth in that moment and said, like,
you know, I'm overserved and whatever capacity I'm in, and
then I would have gone and we could have filmed
talking about it all when she sobered up a little
(37:37):
bit by the time we got back to the hotel
from the Uber. Yeah, okay, and then we would have
gotten the full side. But now we're confused. Now now
it's just everybody against tam and I do think it'll
switch because there's a bunch of fires in the group.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Well we're going to find out.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Well, thank you Dolores for another great episode. If appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
And how are you?
Speaker 2 (38:03):
And I don't know if I'm going to be doing
Miami with Dolores or with Tama this week. It depends
when it drops, because I think Tamara might be out
of town.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
But I where by this week, I'm getting my hands done.
Tomorrow you are maybe on skin tightening, fat transfer and
skin tightening.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
That's a big day, yeah, and then.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
I'm flying home the next day.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
That sounds like a good plan.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yeah, I have.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Well, we celebrated my son's birthday early and then I
asked him, I go, what do you want to do
on your actual birthday, and he goes, I'd like to
get a massage.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
What there's some good places that you could take them.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
I'm like, oh, okay, we'll go get a massage. Don't
twist my arm. But I mean, I don't know if
we're going to get it. Half Beefeet down there, so sure.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Of what I mean? Okay, get okay, you are eleven,
now it's time.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Oh my god. All right, guys, thanks for tuning in.
Before we'll get ourselves in any more trouble.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
We got a guy. Bye,
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New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Football’s funniest family duo — Jason Kelce of the Philadelphia Eagles and Travis Kelce of the Kansas City Chiefs — team up to provide next-level access to life in the league as it unfolds. The two brothers and Super Bowl champions drop weekly insights about the weekly slate of games and share their INSIDE perspectives on trending NFL news and sports headlines. They also endlessly rag on each other as brothers do, chat the latest in pop culture and welcome some very popular and well-known friends to chat with them. Check out new episodes every Wednesday. Follow New Heights on the Wondery App, YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes early and ad-free, and get exclusive content on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. And join our new membership for a unique fan experience by going to the New Heights YouTube channel now!