Legally Brunette: Amy Bradley

Emily and Shane are going over the case from Netflix’s latest docuseries: “Amy Bradley Is Missing”. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi guys, Welcome to another episode of Legally Brunette. I'll
be your host, Emily Simpson and Shane. First of all,
it's just Shane because everyone when people DM me now
about you and the podcast, they call you just Shane.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
First name, just yest name, Shane.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Yes, So we are excited to do this podcast today
because we are not in our normal setting in a
bedroom in our.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
House with dogs and.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Where we have to hit pause because someone needs a snack.
We are actually in beautiful Lake Tahoe at this home
of Verbo Home and it is magnificent. It is so beautiful.
The view is unreal. So we're super excited to do
this podcast today because look at this view behind us.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
That's awesome. Yeah, very outdoorsy.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
All right. First of all, I'm so excited about doing
this podcast today because we are going to talk about it.
It came out on Netflix. It's called Amy Bradley is Missing.
And I will be honest, even though this took place
in the nineties and I feel like I'm like an
expert in all things nineties, I had actually never heard
of Amy Bradley before and this incident on a cruise ship.
So when I started watching it on Netflix. I wasn't

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even really all that invested in it. It's three parts,
and by the time I watched the entire thing, I
was just completely invested. I have not stopped researching. I
feel badly for my producer on this podcast because I
have inundated her with every possible article.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Reddit thread takes turf for me for talking about it
all week.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
No, I don't feel sorry for you at all. That's
what you signed up for. But I don't know if
Mattie knows that's what she signed up for. All right,
let's start off. Let's just give a brief synopsis of
the case. This is actually from the FBI's website because
it is still even though it's been twenty seven years,
it is an active case. So twenty three year old
Amy Lynn Bradley, while on a family cruise in the Caribbean,

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went missing from the Royal Caribbean International Cruise Line. The
ship was called Rhapsody of the Seas. Also, this was
something else I looked up. I wanted to know if
that ship was still work like a working ship today
it's operating. It is still an operating ship, however, and
I don't know if you guys know this because I
wanted to know this.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Let me guess what you want to use. You want
to go on the ship and go in her room?

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Well that yes, I do, okay, But I wanted to
know if they changed the name of the ship or
if they kept it Rhapsody. I'd likely they branded it, yeah,
because I don't know if they wanted to be like
welcome to the ship that Amy Bradley was right disappeared on.
So I didn't know if they changed the name. So
if anybody knows that, I was not able to find
confirmation of that. So on Saturday, March twenty first of

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nineteen ninety eight, the vessel departed San Juan, Puerto Rico
and traveled to its very first port of call, which
was Aruba. The next day or no, By Monday, March
twenty third, nineteen ninety eight, Rhapsody of the Seas departed
Aruba and was traveling in international waters to its next
island port of Currosal. First of all, do you want
to tell me what international waters are? Sir?

Speaker 2 (02:56):
What do you think maritime law is or how it applies?
At first? You a big lawyer, you tell me I'm a.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Big lawyer, Okay, First of all, when we were watching this,
I think a lot of people when you take a
cruise because I've taken multiple cruises. But when you get
on a cruise ship, do you go onto the cruise
ship thinking, hmm, I'm about to depart the United States
on a floating island that hasn't no security, security, no
police force. Well there's security, but no police force.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Well yeah, but the security is hired by who the
cruise ship exactly.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
And I'm just going to flow out in the middle
of the sea and hope that nothing happens. You know,
you don't really think that. You just think I'm going
to drink and I'm going to hang out by the pool.
But it's really a risk when you step onto a
cruise ship.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Well risk going on a plane. There's a risk you
go on a plane. I mean you have the Air
India flight. You know, unfortunately the pilot is known to
have purposely cause the plane to crash.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
So we know that is that breaking news?

Speaker 2 (03:55):
You heard it. I didn't tell you that you flew today,
So I did tell you that cut off the engines
and purposely it went down.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Wow. I did do a little research because I wanted
to understand a little bit briefly about about the law
when you're on a cruise ship. So basically, every cruise
ship has to be registered, and it's registered with a
specific country, and then that country port a port. So
for example, I think it said Royal Caribbean has most
of their ships registered, I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Like with the Bahamas, Yeah, Bahamas.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Right, and then maybe they had like another one registered
in Panama or something. So then that would be your
governing laws for the ship.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
And I would imagine that they choose those places. It
doesn't have Yeah, ours a business decision. It's not based
on like the security of the passengers or anything.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Right. Then, when you are in a port, the laws
of that port apply if the crime takes place in
the port.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, regardless of what port you're in. So if you're
if it's registered in Bahamas, but you're in Italy for
some reason at that port, then that and the crime
occurs well within that port, that port will have jurisdiction, right.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
So then, but when you're out in the open sea,
the way I understand it is if you're twenty four
miles out away from land, that's called international waters. And
then when you're in international waters. I believe it's the
country where the ship is registered sort of. Okay, thank
you for that explanation.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
All right, So within twelve miles law applies. So if
you break the law within twelve miles, whatever that law is,
you know, drugs or assault, battery, whatever, the law of
the land applies just the same within the next twelve miles.
So from twelve to twenty four miles there's the laws.

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I think the laws of the land don't really apply
the same, but there are some laws that apply, Like
you can't you can't just go out within that distance
and start to dig an oil well and things like that.
So there are some laws that apply, just less laws.
And then when you go out further then the although
maybe some laws don't apply, like you know, civilian criminal

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laws don't apply, but there are still laws that apply
that protect the country, you know, to secure the oil,
secure the water and things like that, and not produce
waste and things like that. So it's not just if
you're out in the ocean you can do whatever you want.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Well, it sounds like it. Once you get past twenty
four miles, you can just be a pirate pretty.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Much because then so if crime occurs with beyond the
twenty four miles that we're talking about, then it goes
to that port or the flag state as I read,
it goes to that port. But also the country nearest
can choose or like if there's a US person, like
was Amy Bradley a US citizen? Yes, so the US
can choose to go in and investigate for its own people. Okay,

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So it's a little complicated and there's a lot of layers,
which causes a lot of issues because then the US
might say, do we really want to spend all our
resources and go and try to find this person. Maybe
the Bohemian you know, jurisdiction doesn't want the US, so
they kind of maybe put protections in there to try
to prevent it because maybe they don't want Bahamas to
get a bad wrap with the cruise lines.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
So basically it's complicated. It's complicated jurisdiction when you're on
a cruise ship.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yes, all right, so during the early month in favor
of the cruise line.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
It's always in favor of the cruise line. Yes, that's
another thing. You got to look at the back of
the ticket, you got to read the fine print.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Well, that's not going to do you any.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
Good that you can decide whether you want to get
on or not.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, well you're probably not gonna want to get on
if you read the back of the ticket.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Probably not so during the early morning hours. This is Tuesday,
March twenty fourth, nineteen ninety eight. Amy Lenn Bradley went
missing as the ship was arriving right into port in Cursau.
The FBI is offering a reward of up to twenty

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five thousand for information leading to her recovery. All right,
that is just a brief synopsis that's on the FBI's website.
It's clearly an open case. But I wanted to do
a timeline and break it down and go into detail
as to because there was a very very small window
of time in which she disappeared, and I am very
confused by that small window of time. And I think

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that's why this case is so compelling and why people
are so invested in it, is because everyone online is
trying to figure out what happened within that very small
window of time. And it actually I think the story
is so interesting and it invokes so much conversation. It
also reminds me of Karen Reid because there's a very

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small amount of time.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
That took place where you something.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
So he died. There's a murder or something, but you
don't know exactly what it is. And I this case
is so interesting and compelling because honestly, at the end
of the day, I don't know if we will ever
know what actually happened to her. And I think that's
why it's so interesting.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Case.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yes, breaking news, We're going to solve the Amy Bradley
case by the end of that.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
She'll be a guest later on this. No. Really, My
question is, first, give me an overview, like how many
days was she out there? Who was she with? Okay,
some of those bases so we can get a picture.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Okay, So the Bradley family, and it's important to know
all the characters in this family. It's a mom is Iva,
Ron is the dad. Amy and brad are sisters and
brothers our sister and brother. They depart San Juan, Puerto
Rico aboard the Royal Caribbean's Rhapsody of the Seas. It
is a seven day Caribbean cruise. First of all, this
is very important and I feel like it kind of
got glossed over in the Netflix documentary but all four

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of them are sharing one room on a cruise ship.
And you've been on a cruise.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, I don't think that's I'm guessing that's not uncommon.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
I'm not saying it's common or uncomming. I'm saying I
think it's very important when we get into the details
of what happened. Yes, but I want you've been on
a cruise. We've been on a cruise. We went last summer,
and it was you and me and the boys were
all in a room. And that room is tiny. Right,
for four people to sleep in a room on a
cruise ship, it is very very small. And well, we

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will get to that because I think that's an important
factor to remember as we go through this timeline. Amy
is twenty three years old. She recently graduated from college,
and she's looking forward to living in a new apartment.
She also got a new puppy, and she's starting a
new job as a computer consultant when she comes back
from this cruise. I think these are all important details too,
because a lot of people like to speculate that she

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committed suicide that day, So.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
I'm trying to say she had she had some things
to look forward to. You right, yeahs developing a career.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
So on Tuesday, March twenty fourth, around one am, there
is a crew member named Alistair Douglas who goes by
the nickname Yellow and that's because his hair is like
yellow yellow. He claims he left the ship disco party
after dancing with Amy. Now there's key card data. The
key card is interesting too, because the data on a

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cruise ship with a key card only gives you the
data when someone.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Unlocks the door.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Town un talks the door to enter, but you cannot
get any data as to win.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
A door need the car to exit, right.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
So there's key card data to prove his entry at
this time. So there's key card data that shows that
he left the disco party where he's seen dancing with Amy,
and he actually goes back to his room at some point.
The cabin door system can only record when a person
enters the room with their key card, but cannot identify
when they acit.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Multiple people can enter with one key card, so he
could get a buddy or something. I'm just saying it
doesn't it doesn't take role of who entered. And also
the key card.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Was used, right, And this is the nineteen This is
nineteen ninety eight. So I don't know if now, because
you know, when you take a cruise now, everybody gets
their own key card, even if you're a kid, and
you have to carry it all the time. You have
to use it to purchase anything, you have to use
it to get and out of the room. But the
thing is, like I remember when we were on the cruise,
like sometimes I would use your card to get into
the room and sometimes, So I don't even know if

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it's that specific.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Now to it was literally just unlocked, right.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
So Brad Amy's there was also at the disco party,
but left shortly before his sister at three thirty five am,
So this is registered in the room. Brad used his
key card to enter the family suite. Five minutes later,
at three forty am, Amy returns from the disco where
she's been dancing with this guy. And also, by the way,
the guy Alistair Douglas. He works for the ship. He

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is a bass player in the band. I believe the
band's name is Blue Orchid and they're playing live music
and they're flirting. So this guy is a crew member.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
And do we know that we know the key cards
are used, do we know that it's the actual people
using it well, or it's assumed.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Well, Amy returns to the room and it's recorded in
the cabin door system. So then Brad and Amy are
hanging out on the balcony in their room. They're sitting
out there together. Okay, she had had some light beers.
I think it said like she had said that she
had seven light beers while she was at this disco.
But apparently the beer consumption was over a long period

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of time, so it wasn't like she sat at that
disco and drink seven beers one time. So at three
forty am, Amy returns to the cabin and.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
That's I'm asleep by that.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Well yeah, well you and I go I want that
at nine. So three forty am is.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Like, that's like if we were we would have heard nothing.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
No, not right, they would ask me. I'd be like
Amy Bradley, who I don't know. Yeah, no disco parties
for me. So Brad and Amy hang out on the
cabin's private balcony and then so they're sitting out there.
He I saw a podcast with him. He talks about
how they were just sitting out there talking, chit chatting,
and then he decides to go to bed. So he

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goes back into the cabin and he goes asleep. Now
we have to remember his mom and dad are in
the cabin and they're asleep in one bed.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Then he and Amy have like some pullout, rollout kind
of caught things that remember we had.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
To do when we were like makeshift. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
So now we've got Amy on the balcony, We've got
the mom and the dad asleep in the bed right,
and then we've got the brother that comes in from
the balcony and goes to sleep on the cot. This
is a three forty. Between five fifteen am and five
thirty am, Ron Bradley, who is Amy's dad, He awakens
and he sees Amy sleeping on the balcony chair, only

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her legs were visible, and then he dozes off again.
So he wakes up. He sees brad asleep, his wife's
asleep next to him. He looks out the balcony door,
he sees Amy's sitting on the balcony. He can see
her legs, and then he goes back to sleep. This
is a five.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
I'm sorry, this is the father.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
This is the father because this whole family, all four
of them are in one little round.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
I mean, I'm not saying he's guilty by any stretch,
but this is little odd to see your kid asleep
on a balcony and not think I'll let me bring
her in and put her in their bed.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Well, she's twenty three. Though.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
I know, I'm not saying he's guilty, but I'm just saying, like,
first mistake, first mistake, first mistake. Don't sleep on a
balcony on a cruise ship when you're on a cruise ship,
ye in international waters for family after without reading the
passenger ticket with seven.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Beers in your systems. Yeah, not good. So he wakes up.
This is around five fifteen, five thirty am. He looks out,
he sees her legs, He dozes back off. Between five
thirty and five forty am. There are three other passengers
on the ship that reported seeing Amy on an upper
deck of the ship with yellow So that's the bass

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player I told you about.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Did they Where did they see her from?

Speaker 1 (15:19):
They were sitting up on an open deck.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
From another okay, So from from outside the boat somewhere.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah, like I think like a pool area, okay. And
they claim and this was in the documentary in an interview.
They claim that they see Amy and Yellow walking to
an elevator. You know how the elevators are glass, Yeah,
and that they see them get onto like a glass
elevator together and they see them go up together, and
that she has a drink and it looks like there's
a dark liquid. So this is so we've got Amy

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out on a balcony, as her dad says, between five
am and five fifteen. Then you've got these other passengers
that claim they saw her with Yellow around five thirty am. Okay,
assuming that, but they can't they can't exactly say that
was the time. They just think that that was possibly
at the time. So then between so then at six am,

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the dad wakes up again and he looks out on
the balcony and Amy's not there.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
She's gone, Okay, which would make sense based on the
other testimony that she was in an elevator.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Okay, So the dad he wakes up, he looks out
there at six am, she's gone. But the door was
slightly a jar, so the balcony door was left open.
Her cigarettes and lighter were missing, but her shoes and
she had like a polo shirt over a tank top
and her polo shirt was left behind like she had
taken it off and left it, and then her shoes

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were like neatly pushed on the balcony. And the little
table on the.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Balcony was witnessed by who this is?

Speaker 1 (16:48):
This is the daddy wakes up yet, so the father
he wakes up. Yes, he looks out on the balcony.
She's not there. So all on this table on the
balcony is her shoes, her her cigarettes and a lighter,
and her wallet, and they're all left behind.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
This is official. This is all left behind as you
just described.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
So then around six thirty, I guess the dad gets
up to go look for her, because he looks out
on the balcony. She's not there, but her stuff's out there.
So he goes up and he goes to look for her.
He looks on the ship. I'm sure he goes to
all the usual places you would look for someone on
a ship where she I don't know, getting breakfast, and
she up by the pool is she's sitting out somewhere.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
She in the elevator.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
She in the elevator with yellow whatever. Around six thirty
am Ron, he comes back to the room and he
wakes up. I have the mom and Brad and inform
them that Amy was missing. The family then goes to
the Royal Caribbean crew and asks them to delay disembarkment
because at this time they've either pulled into Cursal and
they're stopped or they're just now stopping.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
So they go and.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Say, look, our daughter's missing. We can't find her anywhere.
Can he please not let anyone disembark off the ship.
But here's one more thing I want to talk about
before we go on with this timeline a little bit more.
I cannot, for the life of me, understand how that
small room with three people sleeping in it, if she's
on the balcony and then she comes back into the

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room and she leaves through that door.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Why did anyone wake up?

Speaker 1 (18:17):
How did.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
The disco techa disco teca it's called a few drinks
and they're crushed.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
But that door is so loud it makes like a
loud metal clicking.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
You're saying she jumped.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
I don't know what I'm saying. I'm just saying there,
I don't know what. I really don't know.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Next cruise, Yes, I'm gonna sneak out at five in
the morning and see if you wake up.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
I will as soon as I hear that door, I'm
gonna be like, where are you going? Are you getting
breakfast without me?

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Why is your walley here? Why are.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
Also we have to talk about this because the shoes
were Let's assume that she did go out the door
and nobody heard it for some reason, they were just
so soundly asleep in this little tiny room that they
did that they didn't hear her go out the door.
She didn't take her shoes right, and she didn't take
her cigarettes and her lighter, and she didn't take her wallet.

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So if she did leave.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Did that means she didn't take her key card either?

Speaker 1 (19:21):
That's my question. Did she not take the key card
with her? Is the key card in her wallet?

Speaker 2 (19:27):
I want to know that.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Oh, not that I've seen anywhere. I want to know
because I think that's a If the key card was
left in the wallet, then maybe she did go overboard.
But if the key card was not in her wallet
and it was on her person, then I would assume
that she did leave the room and that she was

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going to meet someone. And also you have to assume
if she was going to meet someone, she was going
to meet them briefly, because she doesn't have any shoes
and she does no wallet.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Taking taking the key card or not taking card is
not conclusive. But it certainly well you could.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
Have forgot I forget it all the time.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Oh yeah, But I mean it certainly does lead to
something like if she took it, that's different than not
taking it as far as like what could have happened, right, Because.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
I'm saying if her key cards left behind and she
did not take it with her, then there is the
possibility that possibly she went over the edge somehow. But
if she took the key card and the key card
is not in her wallet or on her person, I
don't know anyway. That was just something to think about.
So at seven fifty am, the first public ship wide
announcement was made. First of all, we have to say,
first of all, I do remember from the documentary that

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Royal Caribbean refused to.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Okay, breaking news, breaking news. I just searched the answer.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
What.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yes, Amy Lynn Bradley's key card was reportedly left behind
in her cabin when she disappeared. See now now you
have more questions.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Now I have more questions. Yeah, yeah, because.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
If she went soaes she when the family woke up
at six am, Amy was no longer in the cabin.
Her key card, her shoes, her cigarettes, her lighters were
all left behind.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Okay, See now that lends to if you're going to
draw a column and you're gonna say went overboard or
was abducted, that goes into the went overboard category.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah, because if.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
She left through the door, she didn't have shoes and
shouldn't have a wall, and she didn't have a key card.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Like, yeah, like what do you do with Yeah, like
what what person in a normal sense, what person leaves
their cabin on a cruise line without any of their things? Right,
even if you're going to the pool, you would take
a key card or something. It was six in the morning.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
But all right, so I do know. The family immediately
goes to Royal Caribbean and they ask them to not
let anyone disembark and to also make an announcement. They
would not make an announcement because they said they didn't
want to because this is like several hours seven am.
They don't want to make an announcement at seven am
because they don't want to startle passengers.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
They don't want to wait passengers. Yeah, Heaven forbid. The
people need their sleep. Yeah, it's ridiculous. I mean the
captain doesn't want want people to sleep in. I mean,
what's up with that?

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Okay? Also, I feel like this is a good point
to I watched the documentary shand It and obviously, however,
they interview the cruise director from the Rhapsody of the
Season nineteen ninety eight. I forget his name. What was
his name, Kirk or something?

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Kirk Kirk, Jerk Kirk, the cruise coordinator.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
He I he should have been banned from doing any
interviews on behalf of the man had no warmth, no sympathy.
I mean it was almost it was I have never
in my life. He needed some media training.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
He needed some was this interview back then?

Speaker 1 (22:45):
No, this is a current day interview. Prepare he said
twenty seven years to get some sympathy or to do
some media training. They interview him for this documentary. I
have never I am not a person. Look, I'm a
public figure. I can't stand it when people come on
my page and say things. But I tell you, I've
never been so compelled on Instagram.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
If there's a time to do it, this cruise director, you.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
Guys have all this hate in your heart, please stop
directing it at me.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Please find the cruise director from nineteen ninety eight on
the Rhapsody of the Seas and please go direct with it.
He is the true villain. Every statement he makes is like, well,
we got a cruise to run. You know, they paid
a lot of money and.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
It's all business.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
It's all business. He has no sympathy for this family.
He's like, well, she just went overboard. Life goes on.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
That's your first suspect, right, the guy that can care
less where she is.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
I mean, this guy has I mean I just wanted
to him through the television. I was like, just just
say what says one thing? Kind nothing?

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
So seven fifty am the first public ship wide announcement
was made. And this was not alerting nine am, No,
seven fifty am. Two hours so seven to fifty am.
But all they would do was ask Amy Bradley to
come to the purser's office.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
They would not alert Yeah, Amy Bradley, please take off
your handcuffs and untie yourselves and come to the front office, right.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Please stop being abducted. Yeah, So at seven fifty am
they do make an announcement, but they basically are just
saying please come to the purfoser's office. So they're not.
So here's the problem. And this is where I know
the family had the biggest issue. And I think this
is where this is the timeframe where maybe there could
have been a different circumstance in what happened. Because you

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have a very limited time because the cruise ship is
pulling into curR Asum, people are disembarking. If at that
time period they would have made an announcement at seven
am before everyone got off, that said Amy Bradley has
not been seen. She is missing. If any no one
sees her, please be on the lookout for her. We're
putting up photos of well, for example.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Those people that saw her and yellow in the elevator,
they might have came forward quicker exactly, might have remembered.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, but at that time when everyone is disembarking this ship,
when they pull into curas Out, they don't know she's missing,
and they they don't know what's going on.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
They don't know for so and so to come to
the front office. I would never not once think for anything, no.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
Absolutely so, no one has any idea what's going on.
So basically during that time period, if Royal Caribbean would
have had a different policy possibly and alerted the crew
as well as the passengers that there is a girl missing.
And then here's it's nineteen ninety eight. So they don't
have like, they don't have the digital like we do
now where they can show things on the TV.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Sure, sure, So I don't know how.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
They could disseminate like what she looks like, but they
could have I don't know, hung pictures of her up
or something, or I don't know, just be on the
lookout for this girl. I don't know how they would
get her image out there, but at least passengers would
be aware of what's going on, and maybe more witnesses
would have been able to help or stop it or
come forward and they would have had more information at

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that time. All right, So then at nine.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
As okay, so hold on, so we're at seven to
fifty am.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah, they make an announcement.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
And that's it. Their cruise as it is it docked. Yes,
has anyone left yet?

Speaker 1 (26:26):
When it gets the time, they're just embarking. Now they're going,
people are leaving.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
This they are oh wow, well geez, well I would
be standing on that port and watching everyone come out.
I guess if it was my daughter missing.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Well I think that's I mean, I mean.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
That's something to do. I mean, I don't know. I well,
maybe i'd be irrational and they're hysterical. Yeah, that's what
I'm saying. I get that. So maybe so right now,
sitting here in this chair, you're telling me that's what
I think should be done. At the least, I mean,
what am I gonna do? Walk up and down the hallways.
I'm going to go and you know at the bottleneck where.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
You also have to think that you're up on a cirt. No,
but you're up on a deck talking to officials saying,
please make an announcement while people are just off this ship.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
At this I mean, it's like huge, that's where the
cruise line screwed up. And I know we shouldn't be
laughing at this, but we're laughing at the people that
just really took this way too lightly. Where you know,
it's it's disapproval of their of their uh lack of
care for a missing individual.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
So then at nine am, the crew conducted what's called
a full on board search, and no sign of Amy
was found. This search the way I understood it was.
It's like a nook and cranny search, Like the entire
crew is involved, and they go into every room, they open,
every door, they open all.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Now that everyone's gone, well she she hasn't.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Been seen since six am and now.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
It's everyone got off the ship.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
So there's a three hour timeframe where she could have disembarked.
She could have been taken off this ship. Absolutely, I
don't know. But there's a three hour window where we
don't know what happened.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
And you know, so that's a long time.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah. So March twenty fourth through the twenty seventh, the
FBI and the Netherlands Antillis on Antilli's ghost guard carried
out a four day marine and aerial search. In the documentary,
the Courroussel officials because they become involved because that's where
that's the port we're at. Now we're in carousel. The
CURSL officials said that they expected Amy's body to turn

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up in the seat if she had jumped or fallen,
but a body never shows up, and.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
They based on currents and stuff like, it was reasonable
for them to think not. They were just hoping that
they believed that that would be the case.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Yeah, So they interviewed some an official from crosw that
was involved in the search.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
I'm sorry, wors Curso it's.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
A little island. Is it by a Ruba. It's like
a Ruba and Curroussew and a Aruba. And it's in
the Caribbean. Oh, Barbados is over there somewhere too, Barbados.
I actually, honestly, I have to say, because I'm not
good at geography. I admitted that on the when we
did the podcast on the idahomer and I didn't even

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know Idaho, like Idaho was up there by Canada. No idea.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Well, that's why we do legally, not topography exactly.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
I don't no, but I had never I have to
admit I'd never heard of the island of Curi.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Curis probably Portuguese cross.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Until this documentary anyway. So the currousel official says that
they did an intense search of the water and that
if she would have fallen overboard, that they would have
seen a body or a piece of clothing or something.
Something would have washed out based upon the wrap, how
the water, the current, the tide, all of that. So
he was convincing that there wasn't that.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Was more likely that she did not that she did
not know. Wa okay, all right, Now.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
After she disappears, there's been sightings of her. Now, I
have to say, I think most people this also reminds
me of Karen Reid too, because most people when you
don't know, when you don't take a deep dive into
this case, the first thing that you think or say
when you take a cursory review of it is, oh,
she don't she went overboard.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Absolutely, she fell, she.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Went overboard. She right. That reminds me of Karen Reid,
because when you look, when you don't take a deep
dive into Karen Reid, your first thought is, of course
she was drunk.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Oh I know. And those people are so oblivious and
so ignorant. That was you to just think that you
should be open to the facts.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Well that was you in the beginning. But anyway, my
point was, if you don't take a deep dive into it,
the logical conclusion when you just look at a very
limited amount of facts is that, yeah, she was drong,
she hit them. I think this is the same with
Amy Bradley. If you don't take a really deep dive
into the case, it's like, okay, well, the logical conclusion
is she's on the balcony, she fell off or she jumped.

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So there have been multiple sightings and leads since she disappeared.
So in March twenty fourth, nineteen ninety eight, this is
in Currosal. The morning of Amy's disappearance, there was a
taxi driver located near the cruise door.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
The morning that within twenty four hours, the.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Morning that she disappears, he claims that a distressed young
woman matching Amy's description approached him frantically and asked where
the nearest phone was. Before she could continue, she was
intercepted by two men who led her away. He reported
this information later and did not act in real time.

(31:34):
Now I don't know exactly how much later he reported this,
but he did come forward and say that he saw
a woman asking for a phone. She looked distressed. Two
men came up and grabbed her and pulled her away.
He claims that it was her. Now, when I first
heard this first sighting and it was the taxi driver,
I didn't put a lot of weight into it when
I saw it because I thought maybe he saw the posters,

(31:57):
because they had posters up, you know. Offering twenty five
one thousand dollars reward or whatever, and I thought maybe
he was just like, Oh I saw her trying to
get a reward, so.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
It was almost any planted in his head, yeah or not.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
I didn't put a lot of weight into that sighting.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Let me guess until you went to Vegas went and
they were almost almost I.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Was almost abducted in Vegas.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
See if you went missing that day? Yes, and thank
goodness you didn't.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Oh well, I'm glad you added that copasts.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Had you gone missing that day, yeah, that taxi driver
had have done the same thing, he said. Yeah, some
lady came up on a ride, then two men came
and took her away.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Well, also the differences if I would have gotten into
that car. There's cameras all over, and that's another problem
with a cruise ship in nineteen ninety eight is there's
not security cameras everywhere. There were only security cameras in
the big open areas like the like the pool and
things like that. They didn't have security cameras everywhere.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
And this is monitoring that all the people in bathing suits. Yes, exactly,
the cameras. Where should we have three cameras? Where should
we play it? But yeah, exactly all right.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Then in August of nineteen ninety eight, this is on
Cursole Beach. You say, Cursso, how do you say it?

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Curso?

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Can you saying? Two Canadian tourists were scuba diving at
Plaia Porto Marie. They saw a woman with Amy's tattoos.
Now she has a Tasmanian devil and barbed wire tattoo.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Is right, nineteen ninety eight, like a barbed wire tattoo
and a Tasmanian devil tattoo. She looked distressed and seemed
unable to speak freely. They only learned later about Amy
being missing and reported it months after making this sighting.
Here was the issue too, was that they interviewed the
man that saw her. He was very credible.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
I believed him. He was scuba diving, he has I
think he has background in like cybersecurity or something. He
was with a friend on the beach and he said
a woman walked by him on the beach, looked right
at him, looked like she wanted to say something to him,
and then two men came up and grabbed her and
kind of pulled her away.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Well, I'm sorry, when was this that? He claims to
have seen her.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
This is in August of nineteen ninety eight, so this
is what three four months after she disappeared.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
These two men can't keep ahold of her apparently, no.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
I know, she keeps wandering off. They keep having the ground.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Why are people just like, uh, somebody asked for direction
and then two men came and took her away and
that's the end of it.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
I don't know. He also claims that one of the
men that was with her looks like Alistair Douglas, the
guy named Yellow who was on the ship and was
part of the crew. So this is this is one
of the more credible leads. And I found this guy
when they interviewed him, I found him to be very,
very credible. He didn't come forward until I believe later,

(34:43):
was it a magazine or something He saw a photo
of her like Amy Bradley's missing, and then he was
like that's he put it together and he was like,
that's the girl I saw on the beach and then he,
you know, reached out to authorities. So that's a very
credible sighting of her on a beach in Currosal. Yeah,
in January of nineteen ninety nine, This is a brothel
in Currosow. A US Navy petty officer, William Hefner. He

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claims that he saw a woman in a brothel and
she introduced herself as Amy Bradley and begged him for help,
saying she was being held against her will. The woman
was quickly pulled away by her two handlers. He waited
until figures he waited until two thousand and two to
report the incident due to fear of career consequences. This

(35:31):
is because he was he's in the Navy. He was
active duty in the Navy. They docked in Currosoal and
he's at a brothel where he's clearly not supposed to
be at a brothel. So he claims that he saw
Amy Bradley. She said, I'm Amy Bradley. I need help.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Not to be funny, but is brothel legal there?

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Well, I don't know, but.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
I just wondering if it's like organized or if it's
like totally like under wraps and it's then it's more shady.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Well, I would say in the Caribbean, like, I don't
know if anybody's really I think he just didn't want
to be in trouble with the military. Because he's a
navy he's in the navy, and he's not supposed to
be at a brothel drinking, all right, So he didn't
report the incident until two thousand and two, which is
like three years later. But that was another scenario where

(36:16):
I bet he waited until he was discharged or he
was whatever, he was out, and then he came forward
and said that he saw her. Oh, but the brothel
has since burned down. I was waiting, you see how
I pause and pause. Then in two thousand and five,

(36:41):
this was okay. So there was a website that has
sex workers on the website and someone under an anonymous
email emailed the family and showed a picture of Amy
Bradley on the website.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
And if you look at the picture, do you compare
the picture I did?

Speaker 1 (37:01):
I mean, I don't know if you have, but I mean, we'll.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Pull social I've never seen anything.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
So this is what she looks like when she disappeared.
And this is the picture of her on the website.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Now, if those pictures are correct, pictures like they're real,
that's her.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
And the other interesting thing about the picture of her
on the sex website is she does have distinguishing tattoos.
We talked about it. She has the she has the
barb wire tattoo, she has a Tasmanian devil tattoos. She
also has a butterfly tattoo, and I think another one.
I think there's a fourth tattoo.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
When was this second picture taken?

Speaker 1 (37:34):
This one? This is too well, the picture came to
the family in two thousand and five.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Five, so seven years later.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
So this is the first picture is on the cruise ship.
That's nineteen ninety eight. The second picture on her of
her on this website is two thousand and five. Well,
I don't know when it was taken, but it was sent.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Well, she had significantly longer hair. I was just wondering
how far apart they were.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
But the thing about the picture on the sex website
is that none of her tattoos are shown, even though
she has four. And she also has very distinguishing birthmarks,
and she's positioned in a way where you can't see
any of those.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
You know, I wonder if did you did they ever
show the actual website or a snapshot of the website,
or just that individual photo.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
They showed, and then in the documentary they only show
her photo. They they don't show the website. But the
FBI did get involved in that sighting. They sent someone
down to investigate, and they also did whatever the FBI
does on the analytics on the photo to make sure
it wasn't photoshops.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
And they did that don't grow. Despite your growth. Basically
between the nose and the eyes and cheekbones and stuff,
they don't change.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
They couldn't one percent confirm her identity, but they said
that it could definitely be her. I don't know when
I looked like it looks like the same person.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
I mean it is the same person.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
And knows the way the mouth has shaped, the eyes,
the eyebrows, everything looks identical.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
In other words, her face is the same. Yes, her
base photos.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Is the same. Yes. Then there was another sighting in
two thousand and eight. This is in Barbados. This was
a witness. Her name was Judy Mower. She was an
American tourist. She's also in the documentary. She claims that
she was in a department store restroom and she encountered
a distressed woman accompanied by three men. See they have
upsecurity on her. They were like two clearly too not enough.

(39:25):
She keeps getting away.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
It's a growing enterprise.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
Yes, it's getting larger from the stall this woman, Judy
heard a woman mentioned children, and the men referenced a
client in an appointment and that she was forced to attend.
When the men briefly left the restroom, Judy asked the
woman about herself, learning that her name was Amy and
that she was originally from Virginia.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
And that's correct, She's from Virginia.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Yes. Judy was unable to act because the woman who
allegedly was Amy was rushed out by the men too quickly.
Judy claims she was not previously aware of Amy's case
and only realized the significance of this encounter when she
returned to the US and saw a television special. I
think this was the Doctor Phil show. She was watching
Doctor Phil and he did a story on the Amy

(40:11):
Bradley disappearance and they put her picture up, and then
Judy was like, and that's the woman I saw.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
And supposed to show that assuming all these sightings are
accurate and his Amy Bradley, or even if it's not
Amy Bradley, they believe it to be Amy Brady. That
but for the widespread news, how many of these women
are abducted and it's not widespread news and they just
go missing tons.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Yeah, I know, and apparently a cruise ship isn't easy.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
And doctor Phil if he didn't have them on this
lady would never reported it. I mean, how many other
times they are there like that? And then then earlier
when you're telling the story, I was thinking, why would
they go all, like go through the effort of going
on a cruise ship because they'd have to buy a
ticket and then abduct someone and this and that. But
it's because of there's no jurisdiction. It's just a missing

(41:02):
person and that's the end of the case. She could
have jumped off.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Yeah, you know what, let me add one other fact
in there. So you know when they went, you know,
on a cruise ship, when you go to dinner and
you do the formal dinner and they take photos there
were they took photos of Amy and the family at
the dinner, and then when the family went to pick
up the photos, the photos of Amy were missing. No really, Yeah,

(41:27):
so that's another thing that you have to That's why
I tell you I need to make a column and
put overboard.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Okay, so why abducted? Why would why would they go missing?
Meaning like why if the abductors were getting rid of
these photos, what good did that do? I mean, we
knew she was a person.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Because here's my thought. Yellow and we'll get to this
a little bit later, but maybe we'll just talk about
it now. Yellow has a daughter and her name is
our Nika, Amika, not Arnica. Arnica is the medicine or
something right or Arnica I think anyway, Amika is the
daughter of Yellow, the guy who was talking to Amy,

(42:05):
the last person she was seen with. Amika came forward
and reached out to the Bradley family and had a
conversation with them about her dad. My thought when I
was watching it was she knew more than she was
letting on in the documentary. I felt as if she
knew that her dad was involved somehow, but she didn't
want to give up her dad, so she kept giving

(42:25):
her dad the opportunity to come clean. Because she actually
calls her dad while on camera being interviewed for this
documentary and asked him if he had anything to do
with it, and on the phone, she's got him on speakerphone.
He's like, I had nothing.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
To do with it.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
You know, I saw her. We danced. That was it.
That was the last thing. But the daughter claims that
she saw a suitcase that her dad had that had
photos of white women in it, like like a lot
of photos of all these different white women. So what
I was making, how's this girl at the time, Well,
she's in her twenties or something.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Okay, now she's an adult.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
She was a child and Yellows daughter Yellow's daughter. And
when I thought when I saw when I heard her
say that she saw a suitcase that had photos of
a lot of white women in it, and then the
photos of Amy were missing, I thought, he's low on
the totem pole. He's working for someone. If we're talking
about an alleged abduction. He took the photos and he's

(43:23):
showing him to whoever the and saying, hey, how about
this girl? You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Oh you think he used that as a lineup? Yeah,
Like he collects the photos and then they pick one and.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
They're like, Okay, she's attractive and young, and you know
she doesn't she's not with like a whole but she's
not with like a big group of girls.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
You know.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
She kind of is with her family. So she's a loner.
She's kind of off on her own. Doing her own thing.
She's at a disco tech right. So the photos was
another thing that threw me off the fact that they
disappeared from the ship and the photos of the formal
night were gone of her and then alleged, according to
Yellow's daughter, he was found with a suitcase full of
photos of women.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
And that's the daughter saying that about the dad and
the daughter.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
To me, and I don't know what you guys think
when you watched this, but to me, I felt like
the daughter knew more because she felt compelled to reach
out to the Bradley family and talk to them and
connect with them. I feel like she felt guilty, but
she also didn't want to give up her dad. So
I felt like she was very conflicted.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Now well, and that's why I asked if she was
a younger child. I don't know how someone.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
She grew up with this hanging over, Like I know.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Her, that was always in the back of her mind.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Well, and it was always an issue because I think
he claims that Alistair Douglas claims that you know, he
was you know, he gets online hate. He had trouble
getting jobs because he was involved in this, you know,
and he also was given a light detector test by
the FBI and it came out inconclusive.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Oh and those light detector tests, you know what valid
they are? They are valid.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
Yeah, I need everyone to remember that. Please plant that
in your brain. So Judy, back to Judy. Judy is
the one that saw her in the restroom or yeah,
in a bathroom in Barbados. She's watching Doctor Phil. They're

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doing the story on Amy Bradley. It shows a picture
of Amy Bradley and then she's like, that is the
girl I saw in Barbados. So that's another I don't know.
I found her to be credible too in her interview.
You know, when you watch these things and you listen
to people and you you way whether you believe them
or not. I found her to be very believable anyway.

(45:45):
So the other theories as to what happened to Amy
Bradley that night clearly are one that she drank too
much and that she fell overboard. Other people I've seen
a lot of this have speculated that she was trying
to take a photo because she was going to enter
a photo contest. However, there's no camera unless she had
a camera with her on the balcony. And then she

(46:06):
fell over and the camera went with her. But I
don't know if I believe this whole photo theory of
her trying to take photos from the balcony and like
leaned over too far and ended up falling.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Yeah, photo of the black sky, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Look how the black sky means the black ocean?

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Yeah, I don't know, so, but that's what some people
are not playing. There's also the theory because Amy was
a lesbian and she was in a relationship with a woman,
but her parents were not accepted or not that they
threw her overboard. But there's people that speculate that maybe

(46:43):
she committed suicide because her parents weren't accepting of the
fact that she was a lesbian. However, I still go
back to the fact that you know, she seemed happy.
She got I'm sorry, she got a puppy, and she
had a puppy at home, And if you have a
dog at home waiting on you, you're not going to
commit suicide.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
I don't know. You don't know, no, because people it's
like saying, oh, oh, Robin Williams, he had everything at
his leisure, Yeah, why would he kill himself? Because that's
not it, And maybe he bought a fancy house. Maybe
he tried to do the big movies to try to
escape from his depression. So maybe her, maybe she got
a puppy. I don't think she did, but I'm telling

(47:22):
you what's possible. Maybe she got a puppy. Maybe she
was doing all these things to try to distract her
from whatever was she was struggling with with her folks.
So I'm just putting that out there, just meaning you
can't just look at someone and be like, oh, they
must be happy, because look at all they have.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
So there were some things that were not in the
documentary that I because after I watched the documentary, I
don't just watch the documentary. I watched the documentary and
then I obsess over the documentary, so then I constantly
Google read, read articles, get on Reddit, I read as
much as possible to add to it. So there were

(47:57):
some things that weren't in the documentary that I thought
were important. And then I started to realize that the
documentary was good, but you could tell it was. It
was definitely positioned that she was abducted. And I think
that's because and this is just me, this is my opinion.
I think because they wanted the family involved in the documentary.

(48:19):
The family is very much holding onto hope that she's
adopted and she's alive, and she's out there and they're
going to find her well.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
And maybe they were also just putting it from her
point their point of view, you know, so that they
gathered from them.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
There were there were certain things that were left out
of the documentary that maybe weren't so savory towards the family.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Two questions before you get into that, Yeah, is it
documentary recent?

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Yeah, on Netflix right now?

Speaker 2 (48:42):
And the other second question was where's it streaming on Netflix? Okay,
you answer that.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
So there was also the Bradleys were scammed out of
two hundred thousand dollars searching for Amy. So there was
there was a man that came forward. His name was
Frank and he claimed to be a former Navy seal
and he basically went to them and he was like, look,
I have a team. They're in the Caribbean. If you
pay me, you know, I'm a former Navy seal. I'm

(49:10):
going to go down there. We're going to find her.
There's been sightings of her. We're going to get her. Yes,
total scam. So the family paid him around twenty two
thousand dollars out of their own personal money. Then I
believe there was another around one hundred and eighty thousand
dollars paid to him that came from like some type
of victims fund. So he scammed them out of over

(49:30):
two hundred thousand dollars. As far as I know, he
wasn't a former Navy seal. There was no Navy Seal
group in the Caribbean. He would also send photos to
them and updates, basically like I'm here, we've seen her,
there's been sightings, and kept them funding more money, you know,
cause it's like we're close, we saw her, here's a

(49:51):
picture of her back, and they would send a photo
of like a woman that.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
I mean, I'm mad at this person for scamming and
tugging at the hearts of these people and using them,
But I'm also mad at this family sometimes when it's like,
why don't you you got to do some due diligence,
people are gonna just but I know that they just
have this hope, right, so they're just throwing money hoping
that you know something. So I feel for them, but
sometimes it makes me. It makes me really angry when

(50:16):
people take money from victims like that and that are
heartbroken and then it really and then I also get
upset at the family for kind of letting themselves being
taken advantage of.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Yeah, so his name was Frank Jones, and.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
That two hundre thousand hollars they could have moved down
there and lived there. Yeah, he was to walk around
and try to look for her.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
Yeah, that was another question I had. And these are
just things I would do that pop up in my mind. One,
Here's here's one question I have. And maybe maybe I'm
just dumb. I don't know, but I do have a question.
When she showed up on the website that showed her
as a sex worker, and I know they sent the
FBI down there to investigate. They even like they looked
into the photo, they looked at the bed, They tried

(50:54):
to find like the manufacturer of the bed so that
they could locate you know this. I but to me,
I'm like, why didn't someone go undercover and try to
hire her?

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Yeah, I mean, if she's on a weekend, right, he
just went to the brothel. Yeah, like they took her.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Yeah, I mean, if she's on a website being advertised
as a sex worker.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
He didn't call the FBI and say, hey, I think
she's over there. Yeah, why didn't and then they go
and like research the beds. Yeah, I went in and
he took her.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Like, why isn't someone like stationed down there undercover trying
to hire this girl because they're advertising her services? So
how is it that like that?

Speaker 2 (51:35):
And maybe they did.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Maybe that's just.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
That that seems to be a missed opportunity for sure, Right.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
And then to your point that you were talking about
as a parent, I think I would have done the
same thing. I think I would move there too, because
if there's all these sightings between these three little islands
like Barbados and Aruba and Carousal, and there's multiple sightings
in Carousal, I'm telling you what, we would all pack
up and we would leave.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
There was reason to believe that she's flown around.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
And we would all be living in Cursow and every
day we would be on a mission to if I
truly believed that she was alive and she was existing
out there, I would find her.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
I would be at every brothel.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
Yes, you would, I know you would, thank you. Oh,
there was another thing that wasn't in the Netflix documentary
that Brad talks about on a podcast, or it was
also on some other I think it was on an
Unsolved Mysteries. It was said that Amy's brother Brad, claimed

(52:34):
that Yellow had come up to him on the pool
deck shortly after Amy disappeared and said, hey, man, I'm
sorry about your sister. Now, from what I take away
from that is, this is before anyone knew that she
was truly missing, because it took so long before they
made the announcement that she was missing. So Yello had
come up and said hey, I'm sorry about your sister

(52:55):
before it was known. So that was something else that
was kind of omitted or not talked about in the documentary. Also,
a jawbone washed up on shore near where Amy went missing.
This is in twenty ten, local authorities discovered a jawbone
that washed up on a beach in Aruba. It was
believed to belong to a Caucasian. There was another female,

(53:15):
it just says Caucasian. There was another missing person case
around the same time as this discovery, and that was
eighteen year old Natalie Holloway. The jawbone was tested and
found to not belong to Natalie, but no such testing
was carried out to see if it belonged to Amy Bradley.
Now see there's another thing. You're spending two hundred thousand
dollars on a fake Navy seal, Like, get the jawbone tested.

(53:37):
I do believe you can.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
You can't be fair. Maybe they were tapped out by then.
Maybe it wasn't so easy.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Well, the FBI should be testing it.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Somebody should be testing it the jawbone at this time.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
I don't know who has the jaw bone, but I would.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Like someone there. Is it literally just a bone?

Speaker 1 (53:52):
I don't know, but I do think that with bones, now,
can't you get deep?

Speaker 2 (53:57):
And you can't what could be DNA in there? But yeah,
to think twenty ten, so that this thing's flotting around
for twelve years in the ocean, it's going to have
a bunch of algae and stuff.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
Yeah, so that was something else that they didn't really
talk about. That Natalie Holloway case. That's an interesting one too.
I feel like we need.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
To do today.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
No not today. You're like, I'm not prepared for that.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
I'm not prepared for that any of them.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
You never are.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Thanks for showing up that.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
You are just shade and then in twenty ten, even
though there was no conclusion to this case, and it
still is an open missing person's case and the FBI
still has it as you know, a missing persons and
if you have any information. However, she was declared dead
in twenty ten because she had been gone. And then
there's one other thing I wanted to talk about that
they didn't talk about in the Netflix documentary, and this

(54:46):
is because I felt like again that the producers were
pushing this narrative of like her being abducted, and I
think they were trying to keep the family happy, and
they wanted the family to be on board, and they
wanted the family to be a big part of it.
The family sued Royal Caribbean right after this happened, and
they actually sued them in two different lawsuits. One was

(55:09):
like a negligence intentional infliction of emotional distress and then
the second one was a wrongful death. But what happened
was they sued them in Miami that was the jurisdiction
right and they ended up dismissing both cases because they
found that the Bradleys perjured themselves in court. Well, they

(55:30):
say that they perpetuated a fraud on the court by
giving false answers during their depositions. And this is where
I think one in the wrongful death case, they want
her to be dead, so then you don't want to
give information about sighting. So I think that they were
not giving they were not forthcoming about these credible sightings

(55:53):
because they need her to be dead for the wrongful
death suit. But then in the negligence and like the
intentional infliction of emotional distress, I think there were lots
of sightings, like one hundred plus sightings that claim that
they saw that people saw her not under dress, just
disembarking from the ship, and they didn't bring forth that

(56:15):
evidence either. So basically they were withholding a lot of
evidence in their depositions. And then the judge just got
really irritated and said, you're perjured the court. You're not forthcoming.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
And these depositions, any cases were right, So that's what
happened with those and that was not brought up.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
There were no details given about these court cases in
the Netflix documentary. I think it's because it doesn't look
good for the Bradleys that maybe takes away from their
integrity or care.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
On the and I think they wanted Bradley as opposed
to you know, the legal progressions and whatnot.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
Yeah, but I think it also goes down to just
them and their credibility and you know, so anyway, so anyway,
those were dismissed.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
And then that the judge went on a cruise right
after the case was dismissed.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Oh yacumentary from was it on Rhapsody of the Seas?
All right? So I also read an article about the
documentary makers were interviewed, and I thought the interview was
really interesting. So when asked if they think Amy is alive,
Aery Mark Ari Mark said, I got to the point
on this show where I became close enough with the people.
Of course, we remain objective, and we were objective through

(57:24):
the whole process. There are enough reasons to believe all
of these things are possible. That's what makes it compelling.
But brad Amy's brother says, I have to cling to
the hope. He's like, I'm not saying it's definitely this
or definitely that, but I have to cling to the hope.
I think that is important when you're analyzing this case,
is that there's enough credible sightings out there, and then
there's the website, and there's the possibility that she is

(57:47):
still alive, and that's what helps the family get through
the day.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
Oh yeah, you hold on to that too. I wouldn't
be like, well and probably not, I would be holding
on to that, you know.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
And it's also interesting they really like preserved her like
a time capsule because she drove a Maza Miata and
they have the car in pristine condition in the parents
in the garage waiting for her.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Okay, one of your kids go missing, are you going
to clean out the room and redecorate.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
No, but I'm just saying yeah, so they're holding on
to hope that that she is out there. My other question,
and I didn't tell you this before, tell me what
you think about this. The website. There's a website like
Amy Bradley is Missing website, and they get a lot
of hits because they've done the analytics on this website.
It's information about her photos. The hits come from Barbados

(58:40):
and Carousal that area, and the hits are the most
prevalent and the most hits around the family's birthday and holidays.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
So I don't know if that means anything.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
Well, a lot of people think it's Amy Bradley.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
So what on the holiday birthday? She goes, Oh, because
there are other updates on that website. Yes, there's updates.
I thought that was just like a missing poster.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
No, well, it's Amy Bradley is missing. But it's but
the family adds updates and they add photos and things
and the most of the okay, camry from those islands.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
And you're implying that it's possible that it's her, Well,
it's not just me.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
People think that it could be her.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Wouldn't you reach out?

Speaker 1 (59:26):
That is my question? That's what I was getting to.
If she's looking at a website and she's looking at
photos of her family, and she has access to a computer,
why can't you just send like, can you send any like?

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Because maybe it's not her? But then why are they maybe?
But then why are they hitting?

Speaker 1 (59:41):
Why are there so many hits on the days when
like it's her brother's birthday or.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Her mom's birthday's official? This dad is official.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
Yes, it's like a cyber yeah person together. Yeah. And also,
I don't know, it's been twenty seven years. In twenty
seven years, now, you couldn't slip a like a help
me piece of paper over to someone or something.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Well, she did well, according to you, she went up
to a couple of people and she made efforts. Yeah,
but it's not that easy. What if what if the
two men grab her or take her and beat her
or do something or threaten to kill her family. We
know where your family is either here on doctor Phil,
We're gonna kill him. Well, there's and I I you
can you can. I can assure you that you can
get any person, particularly someone you know, under threat like

(01:00:29):
that where she's been abducted and she knows she's under
their control and they say we know your family, we
have pictures, we will kill them. Yeah, and that's the
end of it. So you can't fault her for not
reaching out. You can wonder why she couldn't, but you
can't fault her if she doesn't reach out.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
There are some people also that think that maybe she
has children now at this point, and because there was
some mention that one woman, Judy that saw her in
the bathroom and Barbados said there was a conversation about
like she overheard them saying you can see the kids,
or you can see the children later or something like that.
So people speculate that maybe she has children.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Yeah, twenty seven years, that's a lot. That's longer than
she was alive. But when she got adducted, so she
might just be, you know, accepting kind of her new Well.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
I also thought maybe at this point, if she is alive,
maybe there's an element of Stockholm syndrome.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
I guess that was my way of saying, she's accepted
kind of this is my life, these are my kids,
this is this is just the way it is. Like
it's not great, but it's the way it is righteous.
So she kind of succumbed to the circumstances.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Right, So when the picture this is going back, we're
just going back a little bit back to the creators
who created this documentary. When the picture of the prostitute
and Cursaal was brought up, they talk about Amy being
positioned in a very specific way that would hide her
identifying marks, her tattoos and birth marks, which we talked
about earlier. Ari Mark comments that part really made us
scratch our heads too. The other piece that's hard to

(01:01:50):
ignore is how seriously the FBI took the photo. It
wasn't like they were like, oh whatever, They really did
chase down that lead. They analyzed the bedframe, tried to
figure out where it was made. They send an operative
down there to actually scope it out, and they did
look into the website and they brought in a trafficking expert.
So that's all hard to ignore. Even with all those
things and all the things the FBI did, they still

(01:02:10):
couldn't locate her. Then the interviewer points out on family
birthdays and holidays, traffic to the Bradley's Tips website spikes
and the same geographical area where Amy has supposedly been spotted.
The FBI does not have jurisdiction to pull the exact
IP address, but they have the ability to, which is
incredibly frustrating. So that was the other thing they cannot.

(01:02:33):
They're not pulling the IP address of these hits on
this Amy Bradley updates website. All right, So where am
I at personally? It Again, this case just reminds me
of Karen Reid, where it's so easy to say, you
know what, she probably just jumped or she probably fell,
But when you take a deeper dive, you just it's

(01:02:54):
hard for me to commit to that. I do believe
based upon the credible sightings, the fact that Alistair Douglas
was seen with her, that he had a suitcase of
women's photos, that her photos disappeared from the ship, That
it is very very likely and very possible that she's
still alive and that she was abducted. I think that's

(01:03:15):
where I'm going to land with that, and I do hope.
My hope is that because all of this is coming
to light and now it's just everyone's talking about it
and there's a documentary that I hope for the family
that there is some conclusion to this saga for them,
because the not knowing has to just be I can't

(01:03:38):
imagine every day waking up and just not knowing what
happened to your daughter. Right So anyway, one last update,
people are calling for an AMY alert on cruise ships.
There is a petition on change dot org with over
twelve thousand signatures that calls for a mandatory AMY alert
system on cruise ships, similar similar to an Amber alert,
ensuring immediate announcements and heightened awareness among among all passengers

(01:04:00):
and crew. The petition states that mandating AMY alerts would
improve response times for any potential crisis on board, and
it could prevent prolonged uncertainties for families and even save lives.
So I don't know. As far as policy change, I
couldn't really find that there was a lot of policy
change based upon the Amy Bradley case. It was more

(01:04:21):
of just now there's more security or security cameras on
cruise ships. But at the end of the day, you're
still on a floating.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Well as strong, you're only as strong as your weakest link.
And they get all the cameras in the world. If
they don't preserve the evidence, they don't do their investigation,
if they don't lock down the ship, then none of that's.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
And I do know that during that time period in
the nineties, the crew could fratnize with the passengers, and
now I do believe that there are strict, stricter rules
as far as not co mingling with passengers and things
like that. So, I mean, some things have changed since
the disappearance of Amy Bradley, but not a lot. So
everyone needs to be make sure you read the back

(01:05:00):
of your ticket when you go on a cruise. I'm
actually supposed to be on a cruise in like a
week on rural Caribbean.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
What's the name of the ship I'm going to find out?

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
All right, Thanks guys for listening. We appreciate it.