May 25, 2025 • 50 mins
Dolores Catania joins Emily and Shane to give her hot take on the Blake Lively x Justin Baldoni legal battle.
Plus, we have updates on week 2 of Diddy’s trial.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hi, everyone, Welcome to another episode of Legally Brunette. I'll
be your host, Emily Simpson with my co host Jane
and today we have a special guest. If you're a
real Housewife fan, you will know Dolores. I don't even
need to say the last name.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Thank you. Hi. How's it going. I'm so excited to
be with you. I have not been away with you
in a long time. I was talking last night and
I said, our last time we were together together was
Andy's baby shower. Yeah, and then, you know, briefly at
Bravo Con. But that's just great.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
You don't have time to socialize a Bravo con. It's
in passing, right, Hi, It's good to see you.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
It's three days of running it is. Are we excited
for this year? Yeah? You know.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I mean it's a lot of work, but I enjoy it.
And you know, I'll tell you I enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Maybe you agree with me.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
A lot of times when you film Housewives, the only
feedback you get is from social media. And we talked
about this yesterday. And when you get feedback from social media,
let's be honest, ninety five percent of it is negative.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I know, right, But you know, it's really social media
is a very small drop in the bucket. It is.
It is so when I first started, I remember Noah
saying that to me. I forget what the issue was
with social media at the time. Yeah, and any of
you who don't know Noah, we know him. He's the
big boss, he's a big shot. So I remember him saying,
(01:21):
it's just a really small portion of the people that
watch the show, because everyone that watches it. Of course,
my mother watches the show, she's not comment right, well
now she is. Yeah, yeah, But I think that was
the point of bravocon for me, is that a lot
of times the only feedback you get is on social media,
right right, So you're saying everybody, and it's so nice
(01:42):
to just have so many fans that are like, I
love the show, I love you, how's your mother in law?
How's Annabel doing? And you're like, oh, people do watch
it and just enjoy it and then go to bed. Yeah,
I know, it's nice to see. That's nice.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
It's nice to get a lot of positive feedback. So
I really Bravo con So, all right, anyway, let's go
into We're going to start with a little update on
Lively and Baldoni. I thought this was really interesting because,
as we talked about last time we did an update,
Taylor Swift was subpoenaed in this case, wanted to now
a part of this who absolutely wanted nothing to do
on I heard that.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
They weren't even friends anymore because she was dragged into it.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yes, I believe you know, of course it's just the
rumor mill, but I've read a lot of articles that
allude to the same that they're not even speaking, they're
not friends anymore. So recently, Baldoni's attorney, whose name is
Brian Friedman, he filed I thought this was interesting. He
filed an affidavit, and affidavit is his own account of
something that happened, and it was sworn under penalty of perjury,
and he basically I read it, and he basically said
(02:41):
that someone from Taylor Swift's camp called him. He spoke
to them for about an hour. He wouldn't disclose who
it was in this Affidavid, and basically they gave him
information that Blake Lively's attorney had reached out to Taylor
Swift's attorney and basically said, you need to post something
on social media and support of Blake Lively. If you don't,
(03:02):
we're going to release ten years worth of text messages
between the two of you.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
So this is what he put it in a highdamon
and I did not hear that, yes, and so he
filed it with the court.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Then he was pretty much reprimanded by the judge who
basically said, we're going to remove that from the filing.
That's nothing more than like you filing something to get
click bait and to like, you know, create a contentious
relationship between these two high power people.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Did did you hear about this?
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:31):
And then after that those yes. So then but here's
my thing. Brian Freeman is a very high powered, intelligent attorney.
I've said multiple times if I am ever sued, the
first person I'm calling is Brian free Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Well that's a very no data statement to make, and
coming from you, who's an attorney, like no doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
So you know there's no way that he's lying. He
clearly got a phone call, he was clearly told this information.
I understand the judges trying to keep all this extra
gossip out of it, because.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
That's a big that's not extra gossip, that's actually a threat.
It is it's a threat. It's a threat.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
And now we know that the subpoena has been withdrawn
from Taylor Swift, so now she is not compelled to testify.
I don't think it has anything to do with that situation.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I believe she should be.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Does that mean withdrawn by Friedman, not dismissed by the right.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
It was withdrawn by Brian Friedman. So Baldoni's side withdrew
the subpoena. I think it's because they got what they wanted, right, yeah, exactly.
Don't know whatever information they're looking for for the trial.
Maybe they did get copies of text messages. Maybe she
did give over some information.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Testify.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I'm saying that maybe there was like a side deal,
which you know in court happens all the time. We'll
give you this, just leave me alone. I don't need
to be dragged into this, and quite frankly, having I
feel like having Taylor Swift there and don't you agree,
would take the attention off of what's really going on.
Oh absolutely, it's not gonna it's not gonna help either side.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Right So, I think, in my opinion, I think Taylor
Swift provided whatever information they were looking for, or enough
information that they feel like they have what they need
and that's why the subpoena was dropped. So now we
know that she's not going to testify unless she's compelled
again at some point.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Anyway, I doubt it. That's Lively in Baldoni. But that
was so good. I could be done now, I know.
I mean that was so good. I know that was
a little present gaming. I know that was going on.
I've been busy, right.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Well, tell me, because we haven't talked about this, what
is your impression of Blake Lively? Because I went into
researching this case very neutral.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I didn't have an opinion. What I can't you could
have cared less about it.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I didn't even know really who justin Baldoni. Well, I
watched the movie. I didn't really care one way or
the other.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
I did.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
I read all of the filings multiple times. And my
takeaway was, and we've talked about this, and Blake Lively
is a horrible person.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
That was my takeaway. Well, a lot of people say that,
you know, I've seen how she treats other people outside
of this. Yeah, and I'm a big person on I'll
judge you on how you treat people. And there was
one instance where they showed a she was in an
interview with a young girl, like a lot of people
look up to even us. You know, we're not a listers,
(06:14):
but they they could you could really hurt saying No,
I'm just saying, but we haven't, like we could hurt
somebody's feelings with being nasty to them. And this girl
goes congratulation on your bump, and she goes and congratulations
on yours, And you know what, who are you? You
made the girl feel bad? She was just trying to
make conversations, make conversation. That was enough for me. But
(06:37):
I never like liked her as an actress. You know,
her affect. It looks like she's thinking before she talks.
I mean, that's just the way she talks. But it
was never overly impressed by her. And I mean, I'm
sure he's kicking himself in the ass because this was
his big time, on his big break, and I feel
very bad. You know he could even the day of
the premire, he had to be in the basement with
(06:57):
his family. He was into the basement. Yeah, it was
for like two hours while while this was going on. Yeah,
you know what I think, do you want to know
what I think. Yeah, I want to know what you think.
I think that she was like falling for him. She
was like texting him, you know, up in the middle
of the night, nursing and oh yeah. And I think
her husband got a wind of it. Yeah, And I
(07:18):
think that she had to put it on him, like
he's talking to me. And then I think Brian Reynolds
came on the set and closed all type fash You know.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I think that's a reasonable conclusion because I've thought the
same thing. I thought maybe the relationship got like she
wanted more out of it, or she was attracted to him.
And then we do know that Ryan Reynolds was showing
up on the set and watching the dailies, and you
could take it over there was chemistry between them, and
maybe he got upset about that. And the way she
shifted the blame was, well, he does this, he says
inappropriate things, and then Ryan Reynolds is like, well then
(07:48):
we have to pursue it.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
We have to sue him.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
You can't act like that. And now it's snowballed completely
out of it.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I think, yeah, And you know, that's not just my opinion,
that's been the opinion I've seen it. It just seems
like a famili your story. And I hate to draw
a conclusion to something I was not there. I don't
know anything about. None of her friends told me this.
I don't know about it. But I'm just thinking, what
do you think that's a possibility here.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I'm just saying that's a possible I don't know what
you're saying, this is a reasonable outcome.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
I feel like there was you know, and this is
I'm also drawing that conclusion to myself by things that
Jason Baldoni said, like I'm reading through the Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
And then even if it is accurate as you say,
which it may very well be, it just shows that
Ryan was kind of inserting himself. I mean, they didn't
handle it well. If that was the case, if Ryan said, hey,
what are you doing? Why are you talking to him late?
I mean, this is how they handle it. They go
and attack and sue, well.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
There's a campaign and there's egos involved.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah, And you know, that's what I'm saying, is a
terrible way to handle.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
It when a jealous man. You know, whenever there's a
we know, like passion involved, it's not rational, Like emotions
are not rational. So there was you know, whatever, care
I could go on to this whole thing, but I'll
stop there. That's just what I thought.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
All right, let's move on to the Diddy trial. We've
done other episodes on Diddy, so if you're listening to
this for the first time, you want to go back,
I would suggest going back and listening to our previous episodes.
So we were on Didty Trial of week two. Here's
one of the things I just wanted to start with
because I thought this was interesting. So doctor Don Hughes,
who is a psychologist, testified for the prosecution, and she's
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called a blind expert, and that means that she's testifying
on their behalf. However, she doesn't she doesn't really know
a lot experience with either.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
She's never had them as a patient. She's not involved
at all. She's an expert, she's an expert witness. She's
actually referred to as an expert of experts. She's also testified.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
And Johnny Depp's case, the Amber Heerd Johnny Depp, she
testified and R Kelly, so she's clearly well known as
an expert. Obviously, prosecution has her testifying because the defense
is going to say Cassie, who was in this ten
year relationship with Diddy, was there because she wanted to
be there her own will, her own will. She wasn't coerced,
(10:19):
she wasn't manipulated. She was there of her own free will.
She could have left at any time. She could have
broken up with him. I really don't see, I mean,
but I'm saying that's what the defense is going to go, right,
So she testified. I thought I was wondering what your
opinion is on that when someone comes in as an
expert and they don't know the parties, but they're just
(10:40):
testifying to the relationship like a trauma bond, and what
they seek her Who called.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Her to testify? What party?
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Prosecution?
Speaker 1 (10:48):
So the prosecution is having her testify as to like
the state of Cassie's mind why she stayed with him
so long.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Because they're going to try because the defense is going
to challenge that. Right, They're going to say she could
have left at any time, which don't.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
She didn't want to die.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Challenge that all they want. I've been around domestic violence
my whole entire life, and I can tell you and
until this day, I work with with women of domestic
abuse and it's just it's not only in women. It
could be in relationships period. There's there's so much different.
There's mental abuse, there's physical abuse. She had both. So yeah,
(11:26):
I mean I can understand why the prosecution called her
in because a lot of people don't understand why she stayed.
I understand why she stayed. I mean besides what we saw,
but she even went back at times, Like I think
when they had the he had the meeting with was
it kid Cutty and she, they sit down, they make amends,
(11:48):
and then at some point it's like a freakin movie.
Diddy has her come in to stand behind him and
be like, well I'm here now, and like Kid Cutti
was like he goes. I was actually surprised that she
was there and went back. But I mean, there's so
many layers to this. You know, somebody of domestic violence
(12:08):
will justify what they're doing to her like she and
then you become like Stockholm syndrome and then you're afraid.
I mean, in a typical domestic violence case, sometimes the
neighbors call the cops, right if, but in this case,
the cops, he owns the cops, he owned, the judges,
he owned everybody, she watched people around her die. She
(12:29):
watched him bring guns to someone's house to unwrap their
Christmas presents and almost kill him, kid cutty right right,
and blow up his car with a mousle the top cocktail.
She watched all this right, and then in her mind
she was now a prisoner to him, because after being beaten,
after being used as a sex slave, after being drugged
for so many years, she probably in her mindset, who's
(12:51):
gonna want me? Where am I going? So you're saying
it's a deterioration of any self worth? Is how he
there's no self worth? On a much lower case than this,
this was an extreme case of domestic violence.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
I agree with everything you said. The way I saw it,
although you might be very well correct, was simply there's
you know, if I stay, I get beat up, right,
or I get abused, or I get mistreated. But if
I leave, it might be even worse. He might come
after me, right or like now you added the factor
of I'm not worth anything, Who's gonna want me?
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Who's gonna want me?
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Maybe the next guy will treat me just the same.
And here, at least I have a roof over.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
My head that is a common trait and even somebody
who's even molested. It's been like a lot of times,
it's well why not, It's already been done to me,
so why not be this way?
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Or this is my life?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
This is my life. I have no self worth it.
It's a horrible deterioration of someone's like soul. Basically, basically,
he just slammed her soul on the ground. She was
an eighteen year old girl coming into this. She was
the one She was.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Eighteen at the start of their relationship.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Now, the issue in this case is not to mess violence,
because we know that's happening. What the prosecution has to
has the burden of proving is RICO, which is racketeering
and also sex trafficking. So that's where the burdens really
going to lie on the prosecution side. We were talking
about this this morning, is in order to prove a
RICO case, you have to prove that there's a criminal enterprise.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
So that's what the prosecution is doing. That's why they're
bringing forward all these witnesses to have their sets.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
You know that are people at hotels, so that they
can testify to establish that Diddy had a criminal enterprise.
In order to have these freak offs. It's not just
like he has weird sexual fantasy right now, on that
you can be weird, weird, you can you can have
whatever is.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Not illegal to be weird.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
It's not illegal or to have a fetish right to
have weird. Well, in such state it is. But what
we have, what they have.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
To prove is that it's a criminal enterprise. So what
is your thought on that, on the criminal enterprise.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Aspect of it.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Well, I think that's a way to get further sentencing, right,
and more charges against them, and then I think they
can seize a lot of the assets and the victims
can go after the whole criminal enterprise.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
So you is it a criminal enterprise if you have
assistants who are okay setting up these freak offs, and
they're putting the lighting up, and they're they're hiring the
sex workers.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
They're flying them out, they're organizing it, they're flying them out,
they're paying them, who's cutting them the check they're putting
up in house?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
It is Yeah, it's a business. But but does that
fall under criminals still?
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Because well, I think I think in late terms, it's
the enterprise is furthering the criminal activity, right, Okay, so
you can't disguise it did. He can't sit up there
on his throne and say I didn't pay them, I
didn't make the phone call, I didn't fly him out here.
They did. Well, they work for you. They're part of
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your company, right, and and you benefited from the criminality
you were he was the bar Your hands are no
less dirty.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Just like so in the mob, right, the boss gives.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
The orders, right, but doesn't touch anything.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Right, But he doesn't touch anything. He's already a made guy.
If he's the boss, he's already a made guy. Right.
So now you have all his soldiers underneath him. Who
and here we talk about the Rico Act. That's what
actually brought down the mob. So when you're looking at
letters instead of numbers, people start to talk and people
start to roll on you, like if you're looking at
life instead of twenty five years or twenty years. Now,
(16:32):
all of a sudden, it's a different story. So having
that in front of you, all of a sudden, they're like, well,
I'm gonna die anyway in jail, so why don't I
just roll the dice and see if I could rat
him out or have him go for me?
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Right, we'll see, all right.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
So also during testimony, I thought this was interesting because
you know, Cassie settled in a civil suit with Day Yes,
so the number was never I know, she asked for
thirty million. So it was revealed during her testimony that
she actually received twenty million. That was her settlement and
her civil case.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
So during cross examination on her noss for Dinny, did
she have to pay taxes on that? I don't know.
Does she have to pay taxes on tie?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
I thought, what it's for If it's for injuries.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
No, I guess it would be for injuries, right, yeah,
if it's.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
To make her whole, no, So attorneys for Dinny highlighted
the details of two financial settlements involving Cassie, seemingly in
an effort to challenge her credibility or suggest alternative motives
for her allegations. Cassie acknowledged receiving twenty million and her
civil settlement against Combs. One of his attorneys pointed out
that she canceled an upcoming tour soon soon after receiving
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the settlement, implying a connection between the payout and her
career decisions. Cassie stated that no amount of money could
undo the trauma she experienced, adding that if she could
reverse the abuse, she would return the money.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
So no one's considering the trauma that she went through
as to why she might have canceled her tour.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
They're disclaiming that she might wanted a financial payout. Once
she got the twenty million, she wasn't interested in the
career anymore.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Maybe twenty million doesn't go very far these days, especially
the lifestyle she was used to and and the therapy
and everything else. How you know this is good? This
will manifest itself. God forbid with her in another way,
like she does not know what her life hasn't has
ahead of her.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
But I understand if she gets if she gets money
and then she quits the tour, I mean, she's a
lot of change the direction of her life. I mean,
it's like she faked all this and got it, you know, right, I.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Understand, But you also understand this is on cross examination.
So this is the defense cross.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Examining her and trying to make her look like they're
trying to make it like she just wanted to settlement.
She got. It's normal that they would have done this, right,
This isn't like groundbreaking that they're going to use. They're
going to pull out every stop exactly.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Also, in a new disclosure made during the same testimony,
vn Sura also revealed she was set to receive approximately
ten million and a separate settlement with inter Continental Hotels
linked to the twenty sixteen incident that was caught on
the surface.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Is that because the video was released?
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I don't know, you know, I wanted to research more
into that. If she's going to receive a ten million
dollars settlement from that hotel chain, is it because there
was some negligence on their part? Did they not act.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
But they did not call the cops? I don't know.
That's where did they leak? And was that video leaked?
That video was leaked? We talked about this hours later.
It was right.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
This wasn't twenty sixteen. The video didn't come out until
twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
So I think they're live period. But what do you
think they're liable for? What do you think the cause
of action is? Well, I don't believe the cops were called.
If the people watching the cameras saw this enough to
save it and keep it in their pocket, whoever they
they're responsible for, responsible for the person that they hired
who also whoever leaked it, right, Well.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
That's assumed, so they're and you may be correct, but
that's assuming someone saw the video as it played out,
and not just they record cameras and they store everything
and then later they can go back as needed.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
But at the end of the guard leaked and it
had to be someone from the hotel that leaked it.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
The hotel employee would have access to it, right, But
why have the cameras up if you're not watching to
see what's going on? What do you just go back
to see after somebody gets killed?
Speaker 3 (20:17):
That's exactly That's exactly it. I mean, I do think
that would be the better case, certainly if they could
watch in real time and call for help as needed,
or if they did see it, as you're suggesting, that
would be horrific. If they see it and they don't
do anything about it, they should be.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Everyone was afraid of them, and he owned everybody. Everybody, well,
they said the security guard, and he tried to pay
him off. So a security guard showed up in the.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Hotel and went to the incident, and then did he
threw a bag of money at him and said, basically, see.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Anything whether it was the video or not, there was
some notice of this incident and violence, and the security
guard did attempt to make an effort to intervene gets paid.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Off, right, Well, he didn't take the money.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
He didn't take the money.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Okay, So my question is my question is is her
suit where they settled for ten million? Is it negligence
of some sort? Is that they didn't send the security
guard fast enough? Did he not intervene enough? Were they
did they have a higher duty or responsibility to protect
her in the hallway?
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Like what is the hotel?
Speaker 2 (21:22):
So if nothing else, Emily, if nothing else, that video
was leaked from their private security system and they're liable
for that.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
But but the video being leaked helped her sound the case.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
He settled immediately. It's still but yeah, right, but leaked?
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Is it private? I mean they're in a hotel lobby.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I think I think so. Like if I think it is,
if there was no incident report, if there was nothing
public about it, I would think it was. I think
that it was their property. It was leaked, their liabel
for it. That's how I feel. All right, let's go
(22:13):
into a little bit about Kid Cutty. So Kid Cutty
testifies Kid Cutty had a relationship with Cassie Ventura. So
one of the most high profile witnesses in the second
week of testimony, right, the relationship is post well, it
was post Ditty, but then she went back to Ditty,
So he's kind of like he's kind of in there
during her relationship with Ditty. So in the second week
of testimony was rapper Kid Cutty legally known as Scott
(22:34):
mus Cutty, who briefly dated Cassie Ventura in twenty eleven.
Cutty testified that not long after Ditty discovered his relationship
with Cassie, someone broke into his La home. Weeks later,
his car was set on fire outside of the same residence.
Cutty told the jury that he later confronted Comb's during
a meeting at a Los Angeles hotel, asking what they
were going to do about the car incident. According to Cutty,
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Combs denied knowledge of the arson, a response Cutty found unconvincing.
He also said his relationship with Ventura ended soon afterward.
Here's the thing about the Molotov cocktail. Basically, his car
was cut open, it was dropped. It was a convertible Porsche.
It was in the driveway, but not before Diddy went
(23:17):
to the house. When in his home unwrapped his Christmas presence.
There was like Chanelle boxes, there was Christmas presents for
his family. He unwrapped them and called him from his
house and said, I'm in your house. And kid Cutti
went there. But here's the other thing that they're trying
to go. And the dog was put in the bathroom
and the dog seemed shaken up and scared because the
dog just saw the devil. Dogs can see things, yes,
(23:40):
so they sense things. So the dog was peeing all
over itself. I wonder if it was a pit bull.
I'm just curious. And the dog was in the bathroom
and Kid Cuti brought the dog out, and the dog
was scared, sh like how do you scare a dog
to that extent? You know? But he was on kid
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Cutty on the way there was afraid. He even admitted it.
He goes, I did not know what I was pulling
up to. I didn't know if he had his boys
with him or whatever it was, or if he was
going to kill me. Right, And so he walks in
and then he he was gone. And then shortly after
that is the Mazotov cocktail, right and oft.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Obviously, the point of Kid Cutty testifying to the Molotov
cocktail is because an earlier testimony with Cassie, she talks
about how Combs threatened to blow up Cuddy's car when
he learned about their relationship together.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
He's gotten away with a lot. Yeah. Well there's the night.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Club shooting in nineteen ninety nine that's been resurfaced because
of this whole trial with Diddy. Yeah, but people are
coming forward and saying he was in the night club
he had Now, yes it was with.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
J Lo, but he was acquitted. Once you're acquitted, they
can't bring you back and charge you again. Right, that's it. Yeah,
that's what I believe. I don't know. I haven't been
in the court case in court house for a long time,
but you've been out of.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
The criminal court system for a while. Yeah, I've been.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Keeping it clean.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Also, what was interesting was Cassie Ventura's mother testified in court.
So we're Regina Ventura. Cassie's mother testified on May twentieth.
She told the court that Colmbs became enraged after learning
that Cassie was seeing Kid Cuddy. According to her Culmbs
threatened to release explicit videos involving Cassie as well as
to harm Cassie and Cuddy unless he was provided with
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twenty thousand dollars. First of all, where does he come
up with the twenty thousand? I mean, the guy's a billionaire.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
The twenty thousand is just to me's with this. He
just knew it was enough to hurt them, right. And
the mother's testimony was was they said you could hear
a pin drop in that courtroom because she was very
soft spoken. She was like a broken mom. Yeah, afraid
for her daughter who said that they had to take
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a mortgage out on their house.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
All that time and go through all that a because
that's what you don't just go to the store and
get something like. She had to go through all the PaperWorks, qualify.
She had all these.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Things hoping that it doesn't hurt her.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Under this stress of her daughter. And what he put
him through for twenty grand that's like me putting someone through.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Nothing to do with them, had nothing to do with
the money. Sorry, correct, he's an evil press them. He
just wanted a torture them, and he did. But but
you know what they had. That mother's testimony for some
reason got to everybody. Oh and the other thing is
they wanted to take out the part about the dog
because some of the jurors are dog lovers, they're animal lovers,
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So the judge wanted that out.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
The judge defense the judge.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I met the defendant. Yeah right away. I said to myself,
he could have hurt that dog, he could have killed
the dog, but he didn't. But what did he do
to that dog? To meet that dog like that? I
need to know he don't have cameras in his house?
This guy kid cuttie, what's up? I know, I was
just thinking that. I mean, he's a rapper and he's wealthy.
You would think he'd have cameras. I mean it's a given,
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but okay, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Regina also testified that her daughter had emailed her about
the threats in late twenty eleven, leaving her feeling physically sick.
She filled her mother, Yeah, I know, I wanted that too,
like why didn't she just call her? But she said
she took out a hame equity loone to pay the money,
fearing for her daughter's safety. The funds were later returned
to Regina, and Cassie reportedly resumed her relationship with Combs
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shortly thereafter.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
So can I just say something, Cassie's girl. Most of
what she did was because she wanted to be with him.
She wanted to be his girls. She said, she wanted
to be his number one.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
You don't have.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Twenty thousand dollars to give your mother to save her.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I think that's how he controlled her. I think he
probably just bought her things.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Then you don't go sell a ring, you don't go
sell a watch. I mean, unless it doesn't make sense
to me that she could not give her mother. She
couldn't come up with twenty thousand dollars to give her
mother by selling one gift that she got. Was he cheap?
I don't know. I don't know, because I can sell
some old boyfriends and come up with some money.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
The jury also viewed photos that Regina had taken of
her daughter, which depicted bruises on Cassie's body. I saw
that her testimony was brief, as Comb's attorney declined to
cross examine her. It's good that they decided not to
cross examine her, because they're going to look like bullies
if they.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
And the people and she won the hearts of the
people right in the courtroom, right, and so that was
a good decision on their part to just let that go.
They're not done, they're not right. They're not defending P
Diddy because they're done. Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
I added this in because I just thought this was interesting.
So there's a hotel manager named Frederick Zamoor who also testified.
He was a general general manager of the Lehramitage Hotel
in Beverly Hills. He testified about hotel records that were
linked to Sean Ditty Combs. According to the general manager
of the hotel, the hotel profile originally created and Comb's
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name in two thousand and six, underwent several name changes
over the years. You know, he changed his name to
like Frank Black, and he went by something else. He
was always changing names. No Diddy, So whenever he would
check into these hotels, he would use an alias. Obviously
he doesn't check in.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
It's just entirely.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Right.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
But I like, I like, this is the part that
I enjoy. The jury was also shown internal hotel notes
that documented concerns about Comb stays, which included these are
notes that the hotel has in the computer system.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Make sure you have Kylly and please monitor outside his
room and down the hall to spray air freshener. That's
one note. Wait what why? I guess because it smells.
I don't know. I need to know, right, always spills
candle wax on everything and uses excessive amounts of oil,
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place the room out of order.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Upon departure for deep cleaning. The last one is, please
authorize an extra one thousand dollars when guest stays with
us to cover any room damages. I thought a thousand
was actually a very low.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Amount for damage to the room with Seawan combs. So
but anyway, I thought that was an interesting was upset
that he had to leave that, Like I when I
show up, it's two hundred dollars for incidentals. Right, you're right,
A thousand isn't a lot, It's not I feel like.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I have to buy.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah, I need to know about the smell.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Right, the air freshener in the hallway, we need to.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Invest was strong enough to handle?
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Does he ask for that? Maybe? Is that something that
he that's the.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Hotel internal note saying we have to spray air refreshner
in the hallway when he stays there.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I don't know, does he.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Burn incense, do the candles smell? Does it create like
a weird smell? So they have to air refreshener.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
The hallway and I need to know. I'm like, literally,
I want to DM somebody about this.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Right, all right.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Another person that testified was makeup artist Mila Morales. She
was a former makeup artist that testified that she once
saw Cassie with visible injuries during the Grammys weekend in
twenty ten. Marale I said she returned to a hotel
with Cassie after attending a party at Prince's home. Allegedly
did he arrive later, appearing angry and shouting for Cassie
before entering her room and closing the door. Maralis described
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hearing yelling and said she felt helpless during the incident.
I've actually seen interviews with her. She's done several interviews,
and I know when they cross examined her, they talked
about the interviews that she's done. Asked her if she
was paid, and she didn't. She said she hasn't received
any pay. I feel like she's just out there speaking
out because she feels like she witnessed something and that
she didn't ever speak out before her opportunity to say
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what she saw. According to Maralis, Diddy later stormed out
of the room, and Cassie emerged visibly shaken, with what
appeared to be a swollen eye, a split lip, and
bruises on her head. This account aligns with Cassie's earlier
testimony in which she said Combs assaulted her after a
party at Prince's house, allegedly throwing luggage at her and
verbally abusing her. You know, there's another account by one
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of his assistants that testified that there was another woman
that he dated named Gina. I guess that was a
part of this controversy. She was a victim number three
that was supposed to testify, but they can't find her,
and I don't think she's now going to testify.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
But I hope she's okay.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Missing or she's not responding and won't and refusing again.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
The prosecution can't get a hold of her. She was just.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Missing, so well yeah, no, yeah, I just didn't know
if she was refusing to come or if she did.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Anyone hear from her, Like, I think they can't get
a hold of her, and they're saying she's now not
going to testify. She's maybe they I worry about these people. Yeah,
I really that's the.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Reason why he's not coming out of jail, right, because
that's why he didn't when this tampering. Yeah, that's part
of his troubles.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
He can't listen, he can't help what he is. He's
still going to do. You know, his empire might be falling,
but I feel like if he gets away with this,
he's going to be more powerful than he's ever been.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Well, every time, every time he got you know, he
exploited them for twenty thousand dollars or paid her off
for twenty millions. She knows how many up a car.
Who knows how many people he paid off to get
away with his crime, and then he just thinks, yeah,
that was nothing. You know, I paid her. I can
do what I want because I just pay him off.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
There's some male sex workers that testified, and obviously this
goes back to the sex trafficking of if they're hiring
male sex workers to common have sex with Cassie and
that's what these freaking.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
She was also finding them, right because it's what he wanted.
Then this is the sex trafficking.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Part of the prosecution's case is that they're crossing state
lines and that's sex trafficking, I thought, And we haven't
seen that yet. And we talked about this a little
bit yesterday that there were underage victims as well in
this sex trafficking.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
But so far we're talking underage, We're talking I'm talking like,
are we talking about child sex trafficking.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
That's not the case. So far, it has.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
We've only heard tunnels and Michael Jackson's house and there's
clothes they found tons of kids clothes and that we
don't know this to be true, and apparently it's not
been brought up.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Yeah, so but there have been and I've seen videos
and maybe you've seen this too, of like Diddy with
Justin Bieber when he was very he talks about how
he's like going to Ditty camp and he's staying with
Ditty and Diddy's.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
His guardens what they're going to do, right, and.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Really creepy.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
And then I saw an interview with Usher he did
on Howard Stern, and Howard Stern.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Was saying, well, what happened with Ditty?
Speaker 1 (34:22):
You know, because Usher was underage at that time too,
He's like, you know, I can't say, I can't talk
about it, and he said, well, would you ever let
your child be around Didty? He was basically like, did.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
You see Kanye West?
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Diddy?
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Kanye West was at a concert they were setting up.
Kanye's children were playing and Diddy walked over to them
to say hello, and Kanye came running down the stairs
and goes, get away from my kids. Oh yeah, see
he shook his hand. He's like, get away, back off. Yeah,
fifty cents been.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
We're screaming on top of mountains about this. And here's
the other thing. One of the sex were who went
on a big shootout in Miami in the Trump Hotel.
I believe it was Miami. I don't know if you
saw this. And he gets arrested. He has like a
shootout with the cops and he's like yeah yeah. He goes,
I want to talk to us as a sex worker
that's connected to Diddy or he's a sex worker. No
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sex worker that's connected to day Hey, and he's like
he's in jail. But as he's getting arrested, he's like, listen,
did he calls me? I go there, you guys don't understand.
They hire me to come and he puts oil and
he starts going off, and no one listened to him,
no one believed him, and they put him in jail.
Now they are going back to him and goes, oh,
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and they're like would say, and they're like, I tried
to tell you when you were arresting me that this
was going on.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
So during this testimony there was a male sex worker testified,
and this is actually I find this amusing. His name
is the Punisher. So on Tuesday, a man identified as
Sharay Hayes, also known as the Punish, described a series
of encounters he allegedly had with Cassie while Ditty was present.
In my mind, I can't get past the fact that
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this guy is a sex worker.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
But his name is the Punisher.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
So the Punisher said that he first met the pair
at a hotel room and Trump Tower where.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
He was Is this maybe? Is this the same thing?
That's who I'm talking about? Sie Taller.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
He was instructed not to acknowledge Combs, who reportedly wore
a face covering. He alleged that during multiple encounters, Combs
observed and issued directions, including lighting adjustments and sexual instructions.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Is he ever tired? Like he just doesn't stop? He
goes and he goes, and he goes, but he doesn't
do anything half assed. Ditty does things to the extend.
So the punisher's testimony follows up follows similar claims made
by other witnesses, for example, Daniel Phillip, who last week
in testimony alleged he was paid to engage in sexual
acts with Ventura under Combe's direction. So again they're establishing
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I guess again this goes to it's it's an enterprise.
It's not just like.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
A casual, consensual everybody shows up and they have an orgy.
It's an elaborate business.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Dealing, which is establishing right that it's a production visual
audio too right.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
I thought it was interesting because during testimony in Ditty's trial,
a former escort named vin Armani has publicly denied any
involvement in the allegations raised during the Ditty trial. Apparently
they showed his picture he's one of these.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Well, I I saw one of the others.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
From the show. From the show show he's denying that
he had, So then why is he there if he
has no Well, they're showing so they showed is he
an expert witness? No, they showed a.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Photo of him and they showed there were actually two
jigglos from the show that were showed during this testimony,
but he has come forward and said that it's just misidentification,
like he was not involved in any of these freak
out freakoffs. So Armani, who previously appeared on the Showtime
Showtime series Jigglos, said he was never contacted by prosecutors
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and called the identification a case of mistaken identity. In
comments to The Daily Mail, Armani said he was he
has never had any interaction with either Combs or Ventura
involving violence, drugs or paid sex acts. He acknowledged socializing
with numerous celebrities over the years, but firmly denied ever
participating in any of these freakofs. Armani also criticized media coverage,
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particularly and now deleted TMZ article. It was TMZ that
came out and named him, I believe and also that
other guy that killed.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Is that his fran gel now for having killed his
girlfriend d Mr Armani.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Guy that Ben that we were talking about.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
He has argued that the misidentification has harmed his reputation
and expressed frustration at not being contacted by legal authorities.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
To clarify his role in all of it. So anyway,
that's where we're att with that. No, can can he
get money for that? Can he? Well?
Speaker 1 (39:01):
I feel like the fact that he came forward and
said that his reputation was harm.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Because that's not that's.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Not I mean your your reputation was harm. No, that's
legal jargon right there. That means he's consulted with an attorney,
and I think he's probably going to sue for defamation
or everyone's going.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
To jump on this bandwagon of getting money.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Right, there's enough to go around.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
The hotel also might just be deep pockets, you know.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Let's get the pockets. That's what I'm saying, Like they
could settle.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
All right, here's some questions after the second week of trial.
First of all, we talked about this already, but Gina,
who is victim number three, is nowhere to be found
in court on Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
That might be a problem for Gina. Might be a
problem for the prosecution too, because I think Gina's in trouble.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Yeah, they might want to check some shallow graves.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Yeah right, I mean I'm worried for Gina.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
In court on Wednesday, outside the presence of the jury.
Defense attorney Mark Agnifilio said that Gina is out of
the case.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Assists she's out of the case. That's what the defense.
She gets out of the case just because they can't
find her. That's ok. Maybe she's dead, can't find her,
she's not answering, so we're just not going to call
her now how long.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Her Yeah, but defense is very quick to want to
excuse her, right.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
So that's the defense of course.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
The assistant US attorney, Christie Slavic, said that Gina was
very much part of this case, adding that she was
identified in the indictment. I think this comes down to
a case of the defense is saying, eh, she's not
part of it, the prosecution saying, yes she is, and
they can't find her, and they're hoping they can find her.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
God, this we're going to find well.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
So we hope Gina's okay and we hope that they
can find her. She was a big part of this case.
She was considered victim number three, and the part of
establishing for the prosecution and what was it the Rico
case is that there's multiple victims, so.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
It has been two violations within ten.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Years, right, so she was victim number three, so they
clearly need her testimony.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
So there has to be a two they have too.
They have victim one and two Cassie, and then I'm
not sure, so the third one would put it over.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
The edge, right, Well, just more. I think the more
testimony is.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
So Gina's safe to say, if Gina owed me money,
I'd be upset. I'd be worried right now because she
ain't showing up.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
So hopefully we can figure out what happened with Gina
and maybe she comes forward. Also, I do have a
question because they've talked about and alluded to showing footage
of these freak offs, because we know that there's video
footage that he's recorded a lot of them.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
In your opinion, do you think showing.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Clips of these freak offs helps the prosecution or helps
the defense?
Speaker 3 (41:37):
It depends. If the videos are people cheering and having
a good time and laughing, it's not going to help.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Right prosecuted content of the videos, right, you could see
people drugged up, throwing up and getting sodomized, right, or
are we going to see everybody like shane'sas dancing on
the big bed that was the size of the yard.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
I would say that there's probably both in this video archives,
there's probably so it depends on what they pick and
choose what they show the videos.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
What part of the videos I saw, Like with Justin
Bieber so far, although it was very unclear what was
actually going going on, you saw enough to make your assumption,
and to make a pretty good assumption. That was enough
for me, right, But what my brother told me? Now,
my brother's been a cop now thirty something years in Patterson.
He's a lieutenant, he's a marine. He's you know, very
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well respected in the hostage negotiators. So I always go
to him to break things down for me. Yeah, what
he did say that was before every party, Dicky would
Diddy would come out and say it's about to freak off.
You're not comfortable leave? Yeah, that's like every party, right.
I feel like that covered in ever.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Left and there's curiosity. There's also like I don't want
to get black. This is going to be crazy.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Did he record that part before they recorded these freak
goffas well?
Speaker 2 (43:05):
They must have parted for people to suit for him
to protect himself that that was recorded.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
Well, Plus, how was it said? Was it with attitude
like get the hell out of here? If you can't
handle us, get out of here. Oh, we don't want
to make you feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Then by him saying that if this is true, Lewis
is usually right. If this is true, he just covered
himself to say everyone was there on their own will,
everyone was there consensually. I don't know if that's true,
but you know, you know, I have.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
One more thought because we also when we talk about Diddy,
I was thinking about when we were talking about the
expert witness and how she was testifying to the trauma
and sticking around and not leaving when we're talking about Cassie,
and also the fact that it wasn't she didn't come
forward immediately. She came forward years later and talked about
all the abuse that she endured. And it made me
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think about Menindez because I don't know how much you
know about the Menindaz case, but that's a lot of
the DMS that I get from people when we talk
about Menindaz, because they were eighteen and twenty one at
the time, and I have so many people that say, well,
they could have just left.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
That's why I want us to I want to say
that today I was really looking forward to coming here
with the two of you, because I was very bothered
by the comments that I see on why didn't they
just leave? And that's really just a lot of nothing
against people. I'm happy they don't know this life. I'm
happy they don't understand it, but it's just ignorance and
it's being uneducated about this type of thing. So I
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hope that it clears up some things on why people stay,
because when something like that happens to them, their self
worth is so far gone, like so gone. That's why
nobody is born and they're going to say, I'm going
to go be a prostitute, I'm going to go be
on drugs, I'm going to go be a stripper and
have to like sell myself to people. Something is taken
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from them at an age. So I mean, I read
about it, look look into it before you judge Cassie
on why she stayed. But what I want to know
is when was she released by him? Because at what
point was she just on? Yeah, That's what I want
to know.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
And when I'm guessing I don't know this, I'm guessing
the video played a part in it, because now there
was some leverage this video get released.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Right, Well, the video wasn't twenty four so correct?
Speaker 3 (45:31):
But the twenty million? What was that for? What incident
was that she filed that.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
She has far gone out of the bled.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
A civil case against him before the video came out.
He settled it within twenty four hours?
Speaker 3 (45:43):
Right? But don't you think her attorney. I don't know
what got her to go to attorney if she knew
there was video or not, And I could be totally off.
But if she knew there was video that existed part
of this and she if she went to an attorney
and attorney's like, I got this video and then that
solved it in twenty four hours.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
I have a theory. I might have one. When did
she start? When did she this guy that she's with
now her husband? Her husband? When did he come into
the picture? Was that around the time that she called
and she said, I want compensation for this?
Speaker 3 (46:11):
I you know, I don't know, like he like he
encouraged her, like now they're together.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
So I feel like because I have a friend who
once dated this guy. And then she started to say
to like the guy was very jealous of her past relationship.
And then she told him an incident that had happened.
One incident I forget whatever it was she had said
to him, and he's like, you need to press charges now,
and he forced her to press charges when she wouldn't have.
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She had just had moved on from this relationship, and
out of nowhere, this guy that she was dating gets
like a restraining order in the mail or some shit.
And it was all because the guy she had now
started dating wanted her to do something about it.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
I feel like, so you're saying that maybe having a
good relationship with her husband and him encouraging her to
come forward was the reason why she did it.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
The time I'm saying it was a good relationship, I'm
saying like this guy made her maybe possibly do I
have to find before I say anything else and sound
like a fucking total idiot. I'd like to know the
timeline up when she met him, who she's with now,
and then she married and when she filed that.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Yeah, that would just since we've talked about Meninda so much,
and there was always issues with that people had With
the Meninda's case, one it was they were eighteen and
twenty one, why didn't they just leave?
Speaker 2 (47:31):
And also why.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
Didn't they Originally in the very beginning to talk about
the abuse. The abuse allegations didn't come out till later
after the fact, but it is exactly the same thing
that's happened with Cassie. So I'm saying, if you're a
proponent of Cassie and you understand the trauma bonding, and
you understand why she didn't speak out, I understand why
she didn't leave when she should have. Or when you
understand all of that, you can apply that same logic
(47:56):
to the.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
Brothers who were abused by their father. These are kids
who apparently went to their mother, their own mother told
them to shut up about it. I think the biggest
problem most people had back when, and it was a
different world back then when it happened, was that they
up right. But also because of the money they spent
in the partying that went on did not help them.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
Yeah, after the deaths.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
After the death they went on to party and spend
money and do all these things.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
It's a good role with them to wait two months
before you throw big parties at correct.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
So and you know, I still don't care what they did,
how they did it, if their father did that to them,
I don't care that they killed them.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
Yeah, you know, And also when you talk about the
spendings free. I think that the media harped on it
so much it just made them look like these rich,
entitled kids just wanted to get rid of their parents
so that they could spend their money.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
And no one wanted to hear why they did it.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
If you look at it from a different perspective and
say they were abused and control for so long, free
and they were probably trying the first time they had
any freedom in their life, and that's why they did.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
They were celebrating happiness. So now we can do this.
Now we can do that. Now we can, you know,
go meet people and get out of the house.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
My heart goes out to them, right for what they want?
Speaker 1 (49:10):
A little update on my nitas because we didn't do
this at the top of the show, but they did.
They have been recent and so they went through their
recentsing hearing the judge did resentence them, and so they
are eligible for parole. So that is the next step.
They will go before a parole board. And we are
actually we've been talking about this for months and months
and months and ever since Monsters came out.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
Of whether they were going to be released or not,
and we are now on like the tip of the ice.
I don't know what I don't I'm not sure what
it is. I think there's a date for it, and
I can't remember off the top of my head. But
they will go before the parole board. Well I hope
they get released, but I think they've done their time.
They've paid, you know, to do the time you pay?
(49:49):
The wait, what was it up? Do the crime? You pay?
The time? Was it barretta? This song from Baratta? But
whoever doesn't know that that's an old cop show. But
you know, for me, you know, and as you both know,
if you're going in front of a parole board, the
most important thing is to show remorse. So I hope
(50:09):
that they can show the remorse that's needed, show that
they've done their time and they've learned their lesson. That's
another thing that you have to show when you come
in front of the parole board. And I hope that
they can convince the board to finally release them.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
So we'll follow that and let you know. But anyway,
thank you guys so much for listening to Legally Brunette.
We hope you enjoyed the episode, and thanks the Louris
for being here.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
Thanks for having me. I enjoy this by the way,
thank you, thank you. And I enjoyed the two of
you so much. Thank you.
Hi, everyone, Welcome to another episode of Legally Brunette. I'll
be your host, Emily Simpson with my co host Jane
and today we have a special guest. If you're a
real Housewife fan, you will know Dolores. I don't even
need to say the last name.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Thank you. Hi. How's it going. I'm so excited to
be with you. I have not been away with you
in a long time. I was talking last night and
I said, our last time we were together together was
Andy's baby shower. Yeah, and then, you know, briefly at
Bravo Con. But that's just great.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
You don't have time to socialize a Bravo con. It's
in passing, right, Hi, It's good to see you.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
It's three days of running it is. Are we excited
for this year? Yeah? You know.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I mean it's a lot of work, but I enjoy it.
And you know, I'll tell you I enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Maybe you agree with me.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
A lot of times when you film Housewives, the only
feedback you get is from social media. And we talked
about this yesterday. And when you get feedback from social media,
let's be honest, ninety five percent of it is negative.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I know, right, But you know, it's really social media
is a very small drop in the bucket. It is.
It is so when I first started, I remember Noah
saying that to me. I forget what the issue was
with social media at the time. Yeah, and any of
you who don't know Noah, we know him. He's the
big boss, he's a big shot. So I remember him saying,
(01:21):
it's just a really small portion of the people that
watch the show, because everyone that watches it. Of course,
my mother watches the show, she's not comment right, well
now she is. Yeah, yeah, But I think that was
the point of bravocon for me, is that a lot
of times the only feedback you get is on social media,
right right, So you're saying everybody, and it's so nice
(01:42):
to just have so many fans that are like, I
love the show, I love you, how's your mother in law?
How's Annabel doing? And you're like, oh, people do watch
it and just enjoy it and then go to bed. Yeah,
I know, it's nice to see. That's nice.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
It's nice to get a lot of positive feedback. So
I really Bravo con So, all right, anyway, let's go
into We're going to start with a little update on
Lively and Baldoni. I thought this was really interesting because,
as we talked about last time we did an update,
Taylor Swift was subpoenaed in this case, wanted to now
a part of this who absolutely wanted nothing to do
on I heard that.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
They weren't even friends anymore because she was dragged into it.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yes, I believe you know, of course it's just the
rumor mill, but I've read a lot of articles that
allude to the same that they're not even speaking, they're
not friends anymore. So recently, Baldoni's attorney, whose name is
Brian Friedman, he filed I thought this was interesting. He
filed an affidavit, and affidavit is his own account of
something that happened, and it was sworn under penalty of perjury,
and he basically I read it, and he basically said
(02:41):
that someone from Taylor Swift's camp called him. He spoke
to them for about an hour. He wouldn't disclose who
it was in this Affidavid, and basically they gave him
information that Blake Lively's attorney had reached out to Taylor
Swift's attorney and basically said, you need to post something
on social media and support of Blake Lively. If you don't,
(03:02):
we're going to release ten years worth of text messages
between the two of you.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
So this is what he put it in a highdamon
and I did not hear that, yes, and so he
filed it with the court.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Then he was pretty much reprimanded by the judge who
basically said, we're going to remove that from the filing.
That's nothing more than like you filing something to get
click bait and to like, you know, create a contentious
relationship between these two high power people.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Did did you hear about this?
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:31):
And then after that those yes. So then but here's
my thing. Brian Freeman is a very high powered, intelligent attorney.
I've said multiple times if I am ever sued, the
first person I'm calling is Brian free Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Well that's a very no data statement to make, and
coming from you, who's an attorney, like no doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
So you know there's no way that he's lying. He
clearly got a phone call, he was clearly told this information.
I understand the judges trying to keep all this extra
gossip out of it, because.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
That's a big that's not extra gossip, that's actually a threat.
It is it's a threat. It's a threat.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
And now we know that the subpoena has been withdrawn
from Taylor Swift, so now she is not compelled to testify.
I don't think it has anything to do with that situation.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I believe she should be.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Does that mean withdrawn by Friedman, not dismissed by the right.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
It was withdrawn by Brian Friedman. So Baldoni's side withdrew
the subpoena. I think it's because they got what they wanted, right, yeah, exactly.
Don't know whatever information they're looking for for the trial.
Maybe they did get copies of text messages. Maybe she
did give over some information.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Testify.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I'm saying that maybe there was like a side deal,
which you know in court happens all the time. We'll
give you this, just leave me alone. I don't need
to be dragged into this, and quite frankly, having I
feel like having Taylor Swift there and don't you agree,
would take the attention off of what's really going on.
Oh absolutely, it's not gonna it's not gonna help either side.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Right So, I think, in my opinion, I think Taylor
Swift provided whatever information they were looking for, or enough
information that they feel like they have what they need
and that's why the subpoena was dropped. So now we
know that she's not going to testify unless she's compelled
again at some point.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Anyway, I doubt it. That's Lively in Baldoni. But that
was so good. I could be done now, I know.
I mean that was so good. I know that was
a little present gaming. I know that was going on.
I've been busy, right.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Well, tell me, because we haven't talked about this, what
is your impression of Blake Lively? Because I went into
researching this case very neutral.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I didn't have an opinion. What I can't you could
have cared less about it.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I didn't even know really who justin Baldoni. Well, I
watched the movie. I didn't really care one way or
the other.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
I did.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
I read all of the filings multiple times. And my
takeaway was, and we've talked about this, and Blake Lively
is a horrible person.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
That was my takeaway. Well, a lot of people say that,
you know, I've seen how she treats other people outside
of this. Yeah, and I'm a big person on I'll
judge you on how you treat people. And there was
one instance where they showed a she was in an
interview with a young girl, like a lot of people
look up to even us. You know, we're not a listers,
(06:14):
but they they could you could really hurt saying No,
I'm just saying, but we haven't, like we could hurt
somebody's feelings with being nasty to them. And this girl
goes congratulation on your bump, and she goes and congratulations
on yours, And you know what, who are you? You
made the girl feel bad? She was just trying to
make conversations, make conversation. That was enough for me. But
(06:37):
I never like liked her as an actress. You know,
her affect. It looks like she's thinking before she talks.
I mean, that's just the way she talks. But it
was never overly impressed by her. And I mean, I'm
sure he's kicking himself in the ass because this was
his big time, on his big break, and I feel
very bad. You know he could even the day of
the premire, he had to be in the basement with
(06:57):
his family. He was into the basement. Yeah, it was
for like two hours while while this was going on. Yeah,
you know what I think, do you want to know
what I think. Yeah, I want to know what you think.
I think that she was like falling for him. She
was like texting him, you know, up in the middle
of the night, nursing and oh yeah. And I think
her husband got a wind of it. Yeah, And I
(07:18):
think that she had to put it on him, like
he's talking to me. And then I think Brian Reynolds
came on the set and closed all type fash You know.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I think that's a reasonable conclusion because I've thought the
same thing. I thought maybe the relationship got like she
wanted more out of it, or she was attracted to him.
And then we do know that Ryan Reynolds was showing
up on the set and watching the dailies, and you
could take it over there was chemistry between them, and
maybe he got upset about that. And the way she
shifted the blame was, well, he does this, he says
inappropriate things, and then Ryan Reynolds is like, well then
(07:48):
we have to pursue it.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
We have to sue him.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
You can't act like that. And now it's snowballed completely
out of it.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I think, yeah, And you know, that's not just my opinion,
that's been the opinion I've seen it. It just seems
like a famili your story. And I hate to draw
a conclusion to something I was not there. I don't
know anything about. None of her friends told me this.
I don't know about it. But I'm just thinking, what
do you think that's a possibility here.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I'm just saying that's a possible I don't know what
you're saying, this is a reasonable outcome.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
I feel like there was you know, and this is
I'm also drawing that conclusion to myself by things that
Jason Baldoni said, like I'm reading through the Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
And then even if it is accurate as you say,
which it may very well be, it just shows that
Ryan was kind of inserting himself. I mean, they didn't
handle it well. If that was the case, if Ryan said, hey,
what are you doing? Why are you talking to him late?
I mean, this is how they handle it. They go
and attack and sue, well.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
There's a campaign and there's egos involved.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah, And you know, that's what I'm saying, is a
terrible way to handle.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
It when a jealous man. You know, whenever there's a
we know, like passion involved, it's not rational, Like emotions
are not rational. So there was you know, whatever, care
I could go on to this whole thing, but I'll
stop there. That's just what I thought.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
All right, let's move on to the Diddy trial. We've
done other episodes on Diddy, so if you're listening to
this for the first time, you want to go back,
I would suggest going back and listening to our previous episodes.
So we were on Didty Trial of week two. Here's
one of the things I just wanted to start with
because I thought this was interesting. So doctor Don Hughes,
who is a psychologist, testified for the prosecution, and she's
(09:37):
called a blind expert, and that means that she's testifying
on their behalf. However, she doesn't she doesn't really know
a lot experience with either.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
She's never had them as a patient. She's not involved
at all. She's an expert, she's an expert witness. She's
actually referred to as an expert of experts. She's also testified.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
And Johnny Depp's case, the Amber Heerd Johnny Depp, she
testified and R Kelly, so she's clearly well known as
an expert. Obviously, prosecution has her testifying because the defense
is going to say Cassie, who was in this ten
year relationship with Diddy, was there because she wanted to
be there her own will, her own will. She wasn't coerced,
(10:19):
she wasn't manipulated. She was there of her own free will.
She could have left at any time. She could have
broken up with him. I really don't see, I mean,
but I'm saying that's what the defense is going to go, right,
So she testified. I thought I was wondering what your
opinion is on that when someone comes in as an
expert and they don't know the parties, but they're just
(10:40):
testifying to the relationship like a trauma bond, and what
they seek her Who called.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Her to testify? What party?
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Prosecution?
Speaker 1 (10:48):
So the prosecution is having her testify as to like
the state of Cassie's mind why she stayed with him
so long.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Because they're going to try because the defense is going
to challenge that. Right, They're going to say she could
have left at any time, which don't.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
She didn't want to die.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Challenge that all they want. I've been around domestic violence
my whole entire life, and I can tell you and
until this day, I work with with women of domestic
abuse and it's just it's not only in women. It
could be in relationships period. There's there's so much different.
There's mental abuse, there's physical abuse. She had both. So yeah,
(11:26):
I mean I can understand why the prosecution called her
in because a lot of people don't understand why she stayed.
I understand why she stayed. I mean besides what we saw,
but she even went back at times, Like I think
when they had the he had the meeting with was
it kid Cutty and she, they sit down, they make amends,
(11:48):
and then at some point it's like a freakin movie.
Diddy has her come in to stand behind him and
be like, well I'm here now, and like Kid Cutti
was like he goes. I was actually surprised that she
was there and went back. But I mean, there's so
many layers to this. You know, somebody of domestic violence
(12:08):
will justify what they're doing to her like she and
then you become like Stockholm syndrome and then you're afraid.
I mean, in a typical domestic violence case, sometimes the
neighbors call the cops, right if, but in this case,
the cops, he owns the cops, he owned, the judges,
he owned everybody, she watched people around her die. She
(12:29):
watched him bring guns to someone's house to unwrap their
Christmas presents and almost kill him, kid cutty right right,
and blow up his car with a mousle the top cocktail.
She watched all this right, and then in her mind
she was now a prisoner to him, because after being beaten,
after being used as a sex slave, after being drugged
for so many years, she probably in her mindset, who's
(12:51):
gonna want me? Where am I going? So you're saying
it's a deterioration of any self worth? Is how he
there's no self worth? On a much lower case than this,
this was an extreme case of domestic violence.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
I agree with everything you said. The way I saw it,
although you might be very well correct, was simply there's
you know, if I stay, I get beat up, right,
or I get abused, or I get mistreated. But if
I leave, it might be even worse. He might come
after me, right or like now you added the factor
of I'm not worth anything, Who's gonna want me?
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Who's gonna want me?
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Maybe the next guy will treat me just the same.
And here, at least I have a roof over.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
My head that is a common trait and even somebody
who's even molested. It's been like a lot of times,
it's well why not, It's already been done to me,
so why not be this way?
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Or this is my life?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
This is my life. I have no self worth it.
It's a horrible deterioration of someone's like soul. Basically, basically,
he just slammed her soul on the ground. She was
an eighteen year old girl coming into this. She was
the one She was.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Eighteen at the start of their relationship.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Now, the issue in this case is not to mess violence,
because we know that's happening. What the prosecution has to
has the burden of proving is RICO, which is racketeering
and also sex trafficking. So that's where the burdens really
going to lie on the prosecution side. We were talking
about this this morning, is in order to prove a
RICO case, you have to prove that there's a criminal enterprise.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
So that's what the prosecution is doing. That's why they're
bringing forward all these witnesses to have their sets.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
You know that are people at hotels, so that they
can testify to establish that Diddy had a criminal enterprise.
In order to have these freak offs. It's not just
like he has weird sexual fantasy right now, on that
you can be weird, weird, you can you can have
whatever is.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Not illegal to be weird.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
It's not illegal or to have a fetish right to
have weird. Well, in such state it is. But what
we have, what they have.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
To prove is that it's a criminal enterprise. So what
is your thought on that, on the criminal enterprise.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Aspect of it.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Well, I think that's a way to get further sentencing, right,
and more charges against them, and then I think they
can seize a lot of the assets and the victims
can go after the whole criminal enterprise.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
So you is it a criminal enterprise if you have
assistants who are okay setting up these freak offs, and
they're putting the lighting up, and they're they're hiring the
sex workers.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
They're flying them out, they're organizing it, they're flying them out,
they're paying them, who's cutting them the check they're putting
up in house?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
It is Yeah, it's a business. But but does that
fall under criminals still?
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Because well, I think I think in late terms, it's
the enterprise is furthering the criminal activity, right, Okay, so
you can't disguise it did. He can't sit up there
on his throne and say I didn't pay them, I
didn't make the phone call, I didn't fly him out here.
They did. Well, they work for you. They're part of
(15:56):
your company, right, and and you benefited from the criminality
you were he was the bar Your hands are no
less dirty.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Just like so in the mob, right, the boss gives.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
The orders, right, but doesn't touch anything.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Right, But he doesn't touch anything. He's already a made guy.
If he's the boss, he's already a made guy. Right.
So now you have all his soldiers underneath him. Who
and here we talk about the Rico Act. That's what
actually brought down the mob. So when you're looking at
letters instead of numbers, people start to talk and people
start to roll on you, like if you're looking at
life instead of twenty five years or twenty years. Now,
(16:32):
all of a sudden, it's a different story. So having
that in front of you, all of a sudden, they're like, well,
I'm gonna die anyway in jail, so why don't I
just roll the dice and see if I could rat
him out or have him go for me?
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Right, we'll see, all right.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
So also during testimony, I thought this was interesting because
you know, Cassie settled in a civil suit with Day Yes,
so the number was never I know, she asked for
thirty million. So it was revealed during her testimony that
she actually received twenty million. That was her settlement and
her civil case.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
So during cross examination on her noss for Dinny, did
she have to pay taxes on that? I don't know.
Does she have to pay taxes on tie?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
I thought, what it's for If it's for injuries.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
No, I guess it would be for injuries, right, yeah,
if it's.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
To make her whole, no, So attorneys for Dinny highlighted
the details of two financial settlements involving Cassie, seemingly in
an effort to challenge her credibility or suggest alternative motives
for her allegations. Cassie acknowledged receiving twenty million and her
civil settlement against Combs. One of his attorneys pointed out
that she canceled an upcoming tour soon soon after receiving
(17:37):
the settlement, implying a connection between the payout and her
career decisions. Cassie stated that no amount of money could
undo the trauma she experienced, adding that if she could
reverse the abuse, she would return the money.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
So no one's considering the trauma that she went through
as to why she might have canceled her tour.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
They're disclaiming that she might wanted a financial payout. Once
she got the twenty million, she wasn't interested in the
career anymore.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Maybe twenty million doesn't go very far these days, especially
the lifestyle she was used to and and the therapy
and everything else. How you know this is good? This
will manifest itself. God forbid with her in another way,
like she does not know what her life hasn't has
ahead of her.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
But I understand if she gets if she gets money
and then she quits the tour, I mean, she's a
lot of change the direction of her life. I mean,
it's like she faked all this and got it, you know, right, I.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Understand, But you also understand this is on cross examination.
So this is the defense cross.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Examining her and trying to make her look like they're
trying to make it like she just wanted to settlement.
She got. It's normal that they would have done this, right,
This isn't like groundbreaking that they're going to use. They're
going to pull out every stop exactly.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Also, in a new disclosure made during the same testimony,
vn Sura also revealed she was set to receive approximately
ten million and a separate settlement with inter Continental Hotels
linked to the twenty sixteen incident that was caught on
the surface.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Is that because the video was released?
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I don't know, you know, I wanted to research more
into that. If she's going to receive a ten million
dollars settlement from that hotel chain, is it because there
was some negligence on their part? Did they not act.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
But they did not call the cops? I don't know.
That's where did they leak? And was that video leaked?
That video was leaked? We talked about this hours later.
It was right.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
This wasn't twenty sixteen. The video didn't come out until
twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
So I think they're live period. But what do you
think they're liable for? What do you think the cause
of action is? Well, I don't believe the cops were called.
If the people watching the cameras saw this enough to
save it and keep it in their pocket, whoever they
they're responsible for, responsible for the person that they hired
who also whoever leaked it, right, Well.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
That's assumed, so they're and you may be correct, but
that's assuming someone saw the video as it played out,
and not just they record cameras and they store everything
and then later they can go back as needed.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
But at the end of the guard leaked and it
had to be someone from the hotel that leaked it.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
The hotel employee would have access to it, right, But
why have the cameras up if you're not watching to
see what's going on? What do you just go back
to see after somebody gets killed?
Speaker 3 (20:17):
That's exactly That's exactly it. I mean, I do think
that would be the better case, certainly if they could
watch in real time and call for help as needed,
or if they did see it, as you're suggesting, that
would be horrific. If they see it and they don't
do anything about it, they should be.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Everyone was afraid of them, and he owned everybody. Everybody, well,
they said the security guard, and he tried to pay
him off. So a security guard showed up in the.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Hotel and went to the incident, and then did he
threw a bag of money at him and said, basically, see.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Anything whether it was the video or not, there was
some notice of this incident and violence, and the security
guard did attempt to make an effort to intervene gets paid.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Off, right, Well, he didn't take the money.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
He didn't take the money.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Okay, So my question is my question is is her
suit where they settled for ten million? Is it negligence
of some sort? Is that they didn't send the security
guard fast enough? Did he not intervene enough? Were they
did they have a higher duty or responsibility to protect
her in the hallway?
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Like what is the hotel?
Speaker 2 (21:22):
So if nothing else, Emily, if nothing else, that video
was leaked from their private security system and they're liable
for that.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
But but the video being leaked helped her sound the case.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
He settled immediately. It's still but yeah, right, but leaked?
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Is it private? I mean they're in a hotel lobby.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I think I think so. Like if I think it is,
if there was no incident report, if there was nothing
public about it, I would think it was. I think
that it was their property. It was leaked, their liabel
for it. That's how I feel. All right, let's go
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into a little bit about Kid Cutty. So Kid Cutty
testifies Kid Cutty had a relationship with Cassie Ventura. So
one of the most high profile witnesses in the second
week of testimony, right, the relationship is post well, it
was post Ditty, but then she went back to Ditty,
So he's kind of like he's kind of in there
during her relationship with Ditty. So in the second week
of testimony was rapper Kid Cutty legally known as Scott
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mus Cutty, who briefly dated Cassie Ventura in twenty eleven.
Cutty testified that not long after Ditty discovered his relationship
with Cassie, someone broke into his La home. Weeks later,
his car was set on fire outside of the same residence.
Cutty told the jury that he later confronted Comb's during
a meeting at a Los Angeles hotel, asking what they
were going to do about the car incident. According to Cutty,
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Combs denied knowledge of the arson, a response Cutty found unconvincing.
He also said his relationship with Ventura ended soon afterward.
Here's the thing about the Molotov cocktail. Basically, his car
was cut open, it was dropped. It was a convertible Porsche.
It was in the driveway, but not before Diddy went
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to the house. When in his home unwrapped his Christmas presence.
There was like Chanelle boxes, there was Christmas presents for
his family. He unwrapped them and called him from his
house and said, I'm in your house. And kid Cutti
went there. But here's the other thing that they're trying
to go. And the dog was put in the bathroom
and the dog seemed shaken up and scared because the
dog just saw the devil. Dogs can see things, yes,
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so they sense things. So the dog was peeing all
over itself. I wonder if it was a pit bull.
I'm just curious. And the dog was in the bathroom
and Kid Cuti brought the dog out, and the dog
was scared, sh like how do you scare a dog
to that extent? You know? But he was on kid
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Cutty on the way there was afraid. He even admitted it.
He goes, I did not know what I was pulling
up to. I didn't know if he had his boys
with him or whatever it was, or if he was
going to kill me. Right, And so he walks in
and then he he was gone. And then shortly after
that is the Mazotov cocktail, right and oft.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Obviously, the point of Kid Cutty testifying to the Molotov
cocktail is because an earlier testimony with Cassie, she talks
about how Combs threatened to blow up Cuddy's car when
he learned about their relationship together.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
He's gotten away with a lot. Yeah. Well there's the night.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Club shooting in nineteen ninety nine that's been resurfaced because
of this whole trial with Diddy. Yeah, but people are
coming forward and saying he was in the night club
he had Now, yes it was with.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
J Lo, but he was acquitted. Once you're acquitted, they
can't bring you back and charge you again. Right, that's it. Yeah,
that's what I believe. I don't know. I haven't been
in the court case in court house for a long time,
but you've been out of.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
The criminal court system for a while. Yeah, I've been.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Keeping it clean.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Also, what was interesting was Cassie Ventura's mother testified in court.
So we're Regina Ventura. Cassie's mother testified on May twentieth.
She told the court that Colmbs became enraged after learning
that Cassie was seeing Kid Cuddy. According to her Culmbs
threatened to release explicit videos involving Cassie as well as
to harm Cassie and Cuddy unless he was provided with
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twenty thousand dollars. First of all, where does he come
up with the twenty thousand? I mean, the guy's a billionaire.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
The twenty thousand is just to me's with this. He
just knew it was enough to hurt them, right. And
the mother's testimony was was they said you could hear
a pin drop in that courtroom because she was very
soft spoken. She was like a broken mom. Yeah, afraid
for her daughter who said that they had to take
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a mortgage out on their house.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
All that time and go through all that a because
that's what you don't just go to the store and
get something like. She had to go through all the PaperWorks, qualify.
She had all these.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Things hoping that it doesn't hurt her.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Under this stress of her daughter. And what he put
him through for twenty grand that's like me putting someone through.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Nothing to do with them, had nothing to do with
the money. Sorry, correct, he's an evil press them. He
just wanted a torture them, and he did. But but
you know what they had. That mother's testimony for some
reason got to everybody. Oh and the other thing is
they wanted to take out the part about the dog
because some of the jurors are dog lovers, they're animal lovers,
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So the judge wanted that out.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
The judge defense the judge.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I met the defendant. Yeah right away. I said to myself,
he could have hurt that dog, he could have killed
the dog, but he didn't. But what did he do
to that dog? To meet that dog like that? I
need to know he don't have cameras in his house?
This guy kid cuttie, what's up? I know, I was
just thinking that. I mean, he's a rapper and he's wealthy.
You would think he'd have cameras. I mean it's a given,
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but okay, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Regina also testified that her daughter had emailed her about
the threats in late twenty eleven, leaving her feeling physically sick.
She filled her mother, Yeah, I know, I wanted that too,
like why didn't she just call her? But she said
she took out a hame equity loone to pay the money,
fearing for her daughter's safety. The funds were later returned
to Regina, and Cassie reportedly resumed her relationship with Combs
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shortly thereafter.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
So can I just say something, Cassie's girl. Most of
what she did was because she wanted to be with him.
She wanted to be his girls. She said, she wanted
to be his number one.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
You don't have.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Twenty thousand dollars to give your mother to save her.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I think that's how he controlled her. I think he
probably just bought her things.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Then you don't go sell a ring, you don't go
sell a watch. I mean, unless it doesn't make sense
to me that she could not give her mother. She
couldn't come up with twenty thousand dollars to give her
mother by selling one gift that she got. Was he cheap?
I don't know. I don't know, because I can sell
some old boyfriends and come up with some money.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
The jury also viewed photos that Regina had taken of
her daughter, which depicted bruises on Cassie's body. I saw
that her testimony was brief, as Comb's attorney declined to
cross examine her. It's good that they decided not to
cross examine her, because they're going to look like bullies
if they.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
And the people and she won the hearts of the
people right in the courtroom, right, and so that was
a good decision on their part to just let that go.
They're not done, they're not right. They're not defending P
Diddy because they're done. Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
I added this in because I just thought this was interesting.
So there's a hotel manager named Frederick Zamoor who also testified.
He was a general general manager of the Lehramitage Hotel
in Beverly Hills. He testified about hotel records that were
linked to Sean Ditty Combs. According to the general manager
of the hotel, the hotel profile originally created and Comb's
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name in two thousand and six, underwent several name changes
over the years. You know, he changed his name to
like Frank Black, and he went by something else. He
was always changing names. No Diddy, So whenever he would
check into these hotels, he would use an alias. Obviously
he doesn't check in.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
It's just entirely.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Right.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
But I like, I like, this is the part that
I enjoy. The jury was also shown internal hotel notes
that documented concerns about Comb stays, which included these are
notes that the hotel has in the computer system.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Make sure you have Kylly and please monitor outside his
room and down the hall to spray air freshener. That's
one note. Wait what why? I guess because it smells.
I don't know. I need to know, right, always spills
candle wax on everything and uses excessive amounts of oil,
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place the room out of order.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Upon departure for deep cleaning. The last one is, please
authorize an extra one thousand dollars when guest stays with
us to cover any room damages. I thought a thousand
was actually a very low.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Amount for damage to the room with Seawan combs. So
but anyway, I thought that was an interesting was upset
that he had to leave that, Like I when I
show up, it's two hundred dollars for incidentals. Right, you're right,
A thousand isn't a lot, It's not I feel like.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I have to buy.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah, I need to know about the smell.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Right, the air freshener in the hallway, we need to.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Invest was strong enough to handle?
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Does he ask for that? Maybe? Is that something that
he that's the.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Hotel internal note saying we have to spray air refreshner
in the hallway when he stays there.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I don't know, does he.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Burn incense, do the candles smell? Does it create like
a weird smell? So they have to air refreshener.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
The hallway and I need to know. I'm like, literally,
I want to DM somebody about this.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Right, all right.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Another person that testified was makeup artist Mila Morales. She
was a former makeup artist that testified that she once
saw Cassie with visible injuries during the Grammys weekend in
twenty ten. Marale I said she returned to a hotel
with Cassie after attending a party at Prince's home. Allegedly
did he arrive later, appearing angry and shouting for Cassie
before entering her room and closing the door. Maralis described
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hearing yelling and said she felt helpless during the incident.
I've actually seen interviews with her. She's done several interviews,
and I know when they cross examined her, they talked
about the interviews that she's done. Asked her if she
was paid, and she didn't. She said she hasn't received
any pay. I feel like she's just out there speaking
out because she feels like she witnessed something and that
she didn't ever speak out before her opportunity to say
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what she saw. According to Maralis, Diddy later stormed out
of the room, and Cassie emerged visibly shaken, with what
appeared to be a swollen eye, a split lip, and
bruises on her head. This account aligns with Cassie's earlier
testimony in which she said Combs assaulted her after a
party at Prince's house, allegedly throwing luggage at her and
verbally abusing her. You know, there's another account by one
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of his assistants that testified that there was another woman
that he dated named Gina. I guess that was a
part of this controversy. She was a victim number three
that was supposed to testify, but they can't find her,
and I don't think she's now going to testify.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
But I hope she's okay.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Missing or she's not responding and won't and refusing again.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
The prosecution can't get a hold of her. She was just.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Missing, so well yeah, no, yeah, I just didn't know
if she was refusing to come or if she did.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Anyone hear from her, Like, I think they can't get
a hold of her, and they're saying she's now not
going to testify. She's maybe they I worry about these people. Yeah,
I really that's the.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Reason why he's not coming out of jail, right, because
that's why he didn't when this tampering. Yeah, that's part
of his troubles.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
He can't listen, he can't help what he is. He's
still going to do. You know, his empire might be falling,
but I feel like if he gets away with this,
he's going to be more powerful than he's ever been.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Well, every time, every time he got you know, he
exploited them for twenty thousand dollars or paid her off
for twenty millions. She knows how many up a car.
Who knows how many people he paid off to get
away with his crime, and then he just thinks, yeah,
that was nothing. You know, I paid her. I can
do what I want because I just pay him off.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
There's some male sex workers that testified, and obviously this
goes back to the sex trafficking of if they're hiring
male sex workers to common have sex with Cassie and
that's what these freaking.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
She was also finding them, right because it's what he wanted.
Then this is the sex trafficking.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Part of the prosecution's case is that they're crossing state
lines and that's sex trafficking, I thought, And we haven't
seen that yet. And we talked about this a little
bit yesterday that there were underage victims as well in
this sex trafficking.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
But so far we're talking underage, We're talking I'm talking like,
are we talking about child sex trafficking.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
That's not the case. So far, it has.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
We've only heard tunnels and Michael Jackson's house and there's
clothes they found tons of kids clothes and that we
don't know this to be true, and apparently it's not
been brought up.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Yeah, so but there have been and I've seen videos
and maybe you've seen this too, of like Diddy with
Justin Bieber when he was very he talks about how
he's like going to Ditty camp and he's staying with
Ditty and Diddy's.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
His guardens what they're going to do, right, and.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Really creepy.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
And then I saw an interview with Usher he did
on Howard Stern, and Howard Stern.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Was saying, well, what happened with Ditty?
Speaker 1 (34:22):
You know, because Usher was underage at that time too,
He's like, you know, I can't say, I can't talk
about it, and he said, well, would you ever let
your child be around Didty? He was basically like, did.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
You see Kanye West?
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Diddy?
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Kanye West was at a concert they were setting up.
Kanye's children were playing and Diddy walked over to them
to say hello, and Kanye came running down the stairs
and goes, get away from my kids. Oh yeah, see
he shook his hand. He's like, get away, back off. Yeah,
fifty cents been.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
We're screaming on top of mountains about this. And here's
the other thing. One of the sex were who went
on a big shootout in Miami in the Trump Hotel.
I believe it was Miami. I don't know if you
saw this. And he gets arrested. He has like a
shootout with the cops and he's like yeah yeah. He goes,
I want to talk to us as a sex worker
that's connected to Diddy or he's a sex worker. No
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sex worker that's connected to day Hey, and he's like
he's in jail. But as he's getting arrested, he's like, listen,
did he calls me? I go there, you guys don't understand.
They hire me to come and he puts oil and
he starts going off, and no one listened to him,
no one believed him, and they put him in jail.
Now they are going back to him and goes, oh,
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and they're like would say, and they're like, I tried
to tell you when you were arresting me that this
was going on.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
So during this testimony there was a male sex worker testified,
and this is actually I find this amusing. His name
is the Punisher. So on Tuesday, a man identified as
Sharay Hayes, also known as the Punish, described a series
of encounters he allegedly had with Cassie while Ditty was present.
In my mind, I can't get past the fact that
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this guy is a sex worker.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
But his name is the Punisher.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
So the Punisher said that he first met the pair
at a hotel room and Trump Tower where.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
He was Is this maybe? Is this the same thing?
That's who I'm talking about? Sie Taller.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
He was instructed not to acknowledge Combs, who reportedly wore
a face covering. He alleged that during multiple encounters, Combs
observed and issued directions, including lighting adjustments and sexual instructions.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Is he ever tired? Like he just doesn't stop? He
goes and he goes, and he goes, but he doesn't
do anything half assed. Ditty does things to the extend.
So the punisher's testimony follows up follows similar claims made
by other witnesses, for example, Daniel Phillip, who last week
in testimony alleged he was paid to engage in sexual
acts with Ventura under Combe's direction. So again they're establishing
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I guess again this goes to it's it's an enterprise.
It's not just like.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
A casual, consensual everybody shows up and they have an orgy.
It's an elaborate business.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Dealing, which is establishing right that it's a production visual
audio too right.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
I thought it was interesting because during testimony in Ditty's trial,
a former escort named vin Armani has publicly denied any
involvement in the allegations raised during the Ditty trial. Apparently
they showed his picture he's one of these.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Well, I I saw one of the others.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
From the show. From the show show he's denying that
he had, So then why is he there if he
has no Well, they're showing so they showed is he
an expert witness? No, they showed a.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Photo of him and they showed there were actually two
jigglos from the show that were showed during this testimony,
but he has come forward and said that it's just misidentification,
like he was not involved in any of these freak
out freakoffs. So Armani, who previously appeared on the Showtime
Showtime series Jigglos, said he was never contacted by prosecutors
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and called the identification a case of mistaken identity. In
comments to The Daily Mail, Armani said he was he
has never had any interaction with either Combs or Ventura
involving violence, drugs or paid sex acts. He acknowledged socializing
with numerous celebrities over the years, but firmly denied ever
participating in any of these freakofs. Armani also criticized media coverage,
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particularly and now deleted TMZ article. It was TMZ that
came out and named him, I believe and also that
other guy that killed.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Is that his fran gel now for having killed his
girlfriend d Mr Armani.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Guy that Ben that we were talking about.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
He has argued that the misidentification has harmed his reputation
and expressed frustration at not being contacted by legal authorities.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
To clarify his role in all of it. So anyway,
that's where we're att with that. No, can can he
get money for that? Can he? Well?
Speaker 1 (39:01):
I feel like the fact that he came forward and
said that his reputation was harm.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Because that's not that's.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Not I mean your your reputation was harm. No, that's
legal jargon right there. That means he's consulted with an attorney,
and I think he's probably going to sue for defamation
or everyone's going.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
To jump on this bandwagon of getting money.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Right, there's enough to go around.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
The hotel also might just be deep pockets, you know.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Let's get the pockets. That's what I'm saying, Like they
could settle.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
All right, here's some questions after the second week of trial.
First of all, we talked about this already, but Gina,
who is victim number three, is nowhere to be found
in court on Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
That might be a problem for Gina. Might be a
problem for the prosecution too, because I think Gina's in trouble.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Yeah, they might want to check some shallow graves.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Yeah right, I mean I'm worried for Gina.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
In court on Wednesday, outside the presence of the jury.
Defense attorney Mark Agnifilio said that Gina is out of
the case.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Assists she's out of the case. That's what the defense.
She gets out of the case just because they can't
find her. That's ok. Maybe she's dead, can't find her,
she's not answering, so we're just not going to call
her now how long.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Her Yeah, but defense is very quick to want to
excuse her, right.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
So that's the defense of course.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
The assistant US attorney, Christie Slavic, said that Gina was
very much part of this case, adding that she was
identified in the indictment. I think this comes down to
a case of the defense is saying, eh, she's not
part of it, the prosecution saying, yes she is, and
they can't find her, and they're hoping they can find her.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
God, this we're going to find well.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
So we hope Gina's okay and we hope that they
can find her. She was a big part of this case.
She was considered victim number three, and the part of
establishing for the prosecution and what was it the Rico
case is that there's multiple victims, so.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
It has been two violations within ten.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Years, right, so she was victim number three, so they
clearly need her testimony.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
So there has to be a two they have too.
They have victim one and two Cassie, and then I'm
not sure, so the third one would put it over.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
The edge, right, Well, just more. I think the more
testimony is.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
So Gina's safe to say, if Gina owed me money,
I'd be upset. I'd be worried right now because she
ain't showing up.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
So hopefully we can figure out what happened with Gina
and maybe she comes forward. Also, I do have a
question because they've talked about and alluded to showing footage
of these freak offs, because we know that there's video
footage that he's recorded a lot of them.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
In your opinion, do you think showing.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Clips of these freak offs helps the prosecution or helps
the defense?
Speaker 3 (41:37):
It depends. If the videos are people cheering and having
a good time and laughing, it's not going to help.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Right prosecuted content of the videos, right, you could see
people drugged up, throwing up and getting sodomized, right, or
are we going to see everybody like shane'sas dancing on
the big bed that was the size of the yard.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
I would say that there's probably both in this video archives,
there's probably so it depends on what they pick and
choose what they show the videos.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
What part of the videos I saw, Like with Justin
Bieber so far, although it was very unclear what was
actually going going on, you saw enough to make your assumption,
and to make a pretty good assumption. That was enough
for me, right, But what my brother told me? Now,
my brother's been a cop now thirty something years in Patterson.
He's a lieutenant, he's a marine. He's you know, very
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well respected in the hostage negotiators. So I always go
to him to break things down for me. Yeah, what
he did say that was before every party, Dicky would
Diddy would come out and say it's about to freak off.
You're not comfortable leave? Yeah, that's like every party, right.
I feel like that covered in ever.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Left and there's curiosity. There's also like I don't want
to get black. This is going to be crazy.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Did he record that part before they recorded these freak
goffas well?
Speaker 2 (43:05):
They must have parted for people to suit for him
to protect himself that that was recorded.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
Well, Plus, how was it said? Was it with attitude
like get the hell out of here? If you can't
handle us, get out of here. Oh, we don't want
to make you feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Then by him saying that if this is true, Lewis
is usually right. If this is true, he just covered
himself to say everyone was there on their own will,
everyone was there consensually. I don't know if that's true,
but you know, you know, I have.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
One more thought because we also when we talk about Diddy,
I was thinking about when we were talking about the
expert witness and how she was testifying to the trauma
and sticking around and not leaving when we're talking about Cassie,
and also the fact that it wasn't she didn't come
forward immediately. She came forward years later and talked about
all the abuse that she endured. And it made me
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think about Menindez because I don't know how much you
know about the Menindaz case, but that's a lot of
the DMS that I get from people when we talk
about Menindaz, because they were eighteen and twenty one at
the time, and I have so many people that say, well,
they could have just left.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
That's why I want us to I want to say
that today I was really looking forward to coming here
with the two of you, because I was very bothered
by the comments that I see on why didn't they
just leave? And that's really just a lot of nothing
against people. I'm happy they don't know this life. I'm
happy they don't understand it, but it's just ignorance and
it's being uneducated about this type of thing. So I
(44:39):
hope that it clears up some things on why people stay,
because when something like that happens to them, their self
worth is so far gone, like so gone. That's why
nobody is born and they're going to say, I'm going
to go be a prostitute, I'm going to go be
on drugs, I'm going to go be a stripper and
have to like sell myself to people. Something is taken
(45:02):
from them at an age. So I mean, I read
about it, look look into it before you judge Cassie
on why she stayed. But what I want to know
is when was she released by him? Because at what
point was she just on? Yeah, That's what I want
to know.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
And when I'm guessing I don't know this, I'm guessing
the video played a part in it, because now there
was some leverage this video get released.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Right, Well, the video wasn't twenty four so correct?
Speaker 3 (45:31):
But the twenty million? What was that for? What incident
was that she filed that.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
She has far gone out of the bled.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
A civil case against him before the video came out.
He settled it within twenty four hours?
Speaker 3 (45:43):
Right? But don't you think her attorney. I don't know
what got her to go to attorney if she knew
there was video or not, And I could be totally off.
But if she knew there was video that existed part
of this and she if she went to an attorney
and attorney's like, I got this video and then that
solved it in twenty four hours.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
I have a theory. I might have one. When did
she start? When did she this guy that she's with
now her husband? Her husband? When did he come into
the picture? Was that around the time that she called
and she said, I want compensation for this?
Speaker 3 (46:11):
I you know, I don't know, like he like he
encouraged her, like now they're together.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
So I feel like because I have a friend who
once dated this guy. And then she started to say
to like the guy was very jealous of her past relationship.
And then she told him an incident that had happened.
One incident I forget whatever it was she had said
to him, and he's like, you need to press charges now,
and he forced her to press charges when she wouldn't have.
(46:37):
She had just had moved on from this relationship, and
out of nowhere, this guy that she was dating gets
like a restraining order in the mail or some shit.
And it was all because the guy she had now
started dating wanted her to do something about it.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
I feel like, so you're saying that maybe having a
good relationship with her husband and him encouraging her to
come forward was the reason why she did it.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
The time I'm saying it was a good relationship, I'm
saying like this guy made her maybe possibly do I
have to find before I say anything else and sound
like a fucking total idiot. I'd like to know the
timeline up when she met him, who she's with now,
and then she married and when she filed that.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Yeah, that would just since we've talked about Meninda so much,
and there was always issues with that people had With
the Meninda's case, one it was they were eighteen and
twenty one, why didn't they just leave?
Speaker 2 (47:31):
And also why.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
Didn't they Originally in the very beginning to talk about
the abuse. The abuse allegations didn't come out till later
after the fact, but it is exactly the same thing
that's happened with Cassie. So I'm saying, if you're a
proponent of Cassie and you understand the trauma bonding, and
you understand why she didn't speak out, I understand why
she didn't leave when she should have. Or when you
understand all of that, you can apply that same logic
(47:56):
to the.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
Brothers who were abused by their father. These are kids
who apparently went to their mother, their own mother told
them to shut up about it. I think the biggest
problem most people had back when, and it was a
different world back then when it happened, was that they
up right. But also because of the money they spent
in the partying that went on did not help them.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
Yeah, after the deaths.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
After the death they went on to party and spend
money and do all these things.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
It's a good role with them to wait two months
before you throw big parties at correct.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
So and you know, I still don't care what they did,
how they did it, if their father did that to them,
I don't care that they killed them.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
Yeah, you know, And also when you talk about the
spendings free. I think that the media harped on it
so much it just made them look like these rich,
entitled kids just wanted to get rid of their parents
so that they could spend their money.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
And no one wanted to hear why they did it.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
If you look at it from a different perspective and
say they were abused and control for so long, free
and they were probably trying the first time they had
any freedom in their life, and that's why they did.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
They were celebrating happiness. So now we can do this.
Now we can do that. Now we can, you know,
go meet people and get out of the house.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
My heart goes out to them, right for what they want?
Speaker 1 (49:10):
A little update on my nitas because we didn't do
this at the top of the show, but they did.
They have been recent and so they went through their
recentsing hearing the judge did resentence them, and so they
are eligible for parole. So that is the next step.
They will go before a parole board. And we are
actually we've been talking about this for months and months
and months and ever since Monsters came out.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
Of whether they were going to be released or not,
and we are now on like the tip of the ice.
I don't know what I don't I'm not sure what
it is. I think there's a date for it, and
I can't remember off the top of my head. But
they will go before the parole board. Well I hope
they get released, but I think they've done their time.
They've paid, you know, to do the time you pay?
(49:49):
The wait, what was it up? Do the crime? You pay?
The time? Was it barretta? This song from Baratta? But
whoever doesn't know that that's an old cop show. But
you know, for me, you know, and as you both know,
if you're going in front of a parole board, the
most important thing is to show remorse. So I hope
(50:09):
that they can show the remorse that's needed, show that
they've done their time and they've learned their lesson. That's
another thing that you have to show when you come
in front of the parole board. And I hope that
they can convince the board to finally release them.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
So we'll follow that and let you know. But anyway,
thank you guys so much for listening to Legally Brunette.
We hope you enjoyed the episode, and thanks the Louris
for being here.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
Thanks for having me. I enjoy this by the way,
thank you, thank you. And I enjoyed the two of
you so much. Thank you.
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Teddi Mellencamp
Tamra Judge
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