December 16, 2025 • 51 mins
Emily and Shane are highlighting the biggest moments from 50 Cent’s new Netflix docuseries “Sean Combs: The Reckoning”.
From Tupac Shakur and Biggie Smalls’ death to never-before-seen footage of Diddy right before his arrest in 2024…
Did the filmmakers obtain the 2024 footage of Diddy legally? One of the jurors seems as though she was a “superfan” of Diddy’s… How could that have skewed his sentencing?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, guys, Welcome to a new episode of Legally Brunette.
I will be your host Emily Simpson with Shane. Today
we are going to talk about Shawn Comb's The Reckoning,
and I will be honest with you. I didn't really
have the intention of doing a podcast on this because
we had followed the Ditty trial, We'd done a couple
podcasts on Ditty. The Reckoning came out. I don't know,
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I thought, I don't know, is there really anything? Is
there information in here?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
No more investigation, there's no more, you know, anything interesting
to stink our teeth into. But then this comes out.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
But then this comes out, And again I didn't really
have the intention of talking about it until I kept
getting so many dms from you guys out there, which
I'm thankful for because you you guys have good insight.
But so many people were reaching out saying, have you
watched it? Are you guys going to talk about it?
You should talk about it. So I watched it. So
Shawn Comes. The Reckoning is a four part Netflix docu
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series that offers an in depth look at the rise
and fall of Sean Ditty Combs. It's directed by Alexandria
Stapleton and executive produced by Curtis fifty cent Jackson. The
series traces Comb's journey from an influential Bad Boy Records
founder to a convicted felon serving a prison sentence, using
exclusive interviews with former associates to jurors. This is interesting
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and insiders alongside never before seen footage some shot in
the days right before his twenty twenty four arrest. So
when I first started watching it, I was like, Wow,
they have some footage in here that is really interesting
because he is documenting himself at the Park Hyatt Hotel
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in New York City, like literally a couple days before
he's about to be arrested, and he knows that they're
investigating coming. He knows it's coming, he knows he's being investigated.
He knows he's gonna have all these charges. Let's just
before we get into this, let's just go back and
talk about the charges and what he was convicted of.
So Diddy was accused of racketeering, two sex trafficking counts,
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and two counts of transportation for prostitution. The charges centered
on his conduct with ex girlfriend Cassie Ventura and an
anonymous victim known as Jane, who testified in the trial.
Jane had data combs from early twenty twenty one until
his arrest and indictment in September of twenty twenty four.
Despite her anonymity, many are convinced that Jane is Daphne Joy,
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the mother of fifty cents child. See maybe that's what
makes fifty so invested as well.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Ditty was ultimately convicted on two counts of transportation for prostitution.
So we did do earlier podcast episodes about Ditty when
we were following the trials, So if you would like
to go back and listen to those, I think those
are good episodes. Also, if you remember, he was not
convicted of the higher charges of rico and sex traffickings
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length he would have been in prison for a lot
of the times.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Wouldn't they confiscate a lot of his assets and stuff too?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Most likely, But he was convicted of the less serious
charge of just transporting people across state lines for prostitution. Yes,
it is now all his did. He was acquitted of
the most serious charge of racketeering conspiracy, which carries a
potential life sentence, as well as the two charges of
sex trafficking so obviously we're not recappers. So this is
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four parts. I don't want to go through and recap this.
It's very long, it's very complicated, it's very in depth.
I think it's very well done if you're invested in
it and you want to go back to the nineties
to talk about like when he first started, how he
came up in the music business, the people he dealt with, some.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Of his early re footage from.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
A lot of real footage, a lot of interviews. It's
very very well done. But I as I watched it,
I thought, let's pull out some of the things that
really stuck out to me and some of the significant
things that I want to talk about. The first is
that video footage used in the series. So the Netflix
docuseriies begins with never before seen footage showing Sean Diddycomb's
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speaking with his attorney, Mark agnifient I could never say
his last name was his initial Agnifhilo, mark A mark A.
And if you remember, Mark A is married to an
attorney who represents Luigi Mangioni. So these are some high
profile attorneys. So Mark agnif Philo, less than a week
before his arrest, he's speaking to his attorney. This is
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in the video footage. The footage was recorded by a
videographer Combs had hired to document his legal troubles. Now,
that's the thing about Sean Combs is you could tell
even though he's being investigated by the FBI, he knows
he's going to get arrested. They're reaching out and sab
poena people, and he wants it documented.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Because well didn't he didn't he before sentencing think he
was going to get out or he was he already
staged like some party or some event thinking he was
going to get out.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Oh, I don't know. You mean he was already like
planning a party something.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I don't know if it was a party or if
it was some type of some type of celebration, some
type of thing where he's anticipating, being clear enough, being
in the slammer, right, And that was like, who do
you think you are?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
He's Sean? Did he cumbs? He's gotten away with a
lot of things from many Combs many many many years. So,
despite uncertainty surrounding Comb's motivations for filming himself, director Alexandria
Stapleton suggested he may have been attempting to shape or
preserve control over his own public narrative.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I mean what it was, I'd be like, you find
out that the CoP's going to bust in the house
and search our place, and you quickly call Brav when
you're like, hey, let's document this. I'm about to go
to jail. I mean, I would never want to do that.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Okay, but you think you and I wouldn't. But I
feel like when you said that, I feel like there's
housewives that would do that.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Maybe.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
So fifty Stapleton and Netflix have all kept the source
of the footage private. Stapleton said it came to us
we obtained the footage legally and have the necessary rights.
We moved heaven and earth to keep the filmmaker's identity confidential.
One thing about Shawn Combs is that he's always filming
himself and it's been an obsession throughout the decades. We
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also reached out to Shawncomb's legal team for an interview
and comment multiple times, but we did not hear back.
So just one day before the series premiered on Netflix,
Comb's attorneys sent Netflix a cease and desist letter alleging
the footage was improperly acquired and used without authorization. Comb's
representatives also claimed the material was originally intended for a
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separate documentary project that Combs had been developing, which was
later stalled due to his mounting legal issues. Now, first
of all, I don't believe that for one second. I
think he's self filming himself because he doesn't think he's
going to get convicted, and so he's going to use
all this footage to make a documentary about a half
while else.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Would you record yourself talking to your attorney about a
game plan?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Right? A Netflix rep told Variety in a statement in
early December, the claims being made about Seawan Combs the
reckoning are false. The project has no ties to he
passed conversations between Shawn Combs and Netflix. The footage of
Combs leading up to his indictment and arrests were legally obtained.
This is not a hit piece or an act of retribution. Now,
first of all, Netflix is what a multi billion dollar company?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I don't know, I know, mega billion, megabillion, Okay, yeah,
because they bought like Warner Bros. Like seventy billions.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Okay, So you're gonna tell me that Netflix doesn't have
a roomful of the.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Brightest attorney this stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Of course they they I would have written back a
ceasing distance letter for Shawn Combs and been like, stop
contacting us, No, stop abusing women and other people and
harming society, and you know, I mean seriously.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
So I did read that. I think it was a
former assistant of his or something came forward and wrote
something on.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Like a sub has a lot of former assistants.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Oh, there's a lot of former people out there that
have dealt with him. But he said that the footage
was obtained from the videographer because Shawn Combs never has
contracts in play, so he doesn't pay people and he
just expects loyalty, like he always is wanting people to
do things for him, but he never has an actual
contract in place, and he never actually Oh, he's just.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
So special that everyone will be blessed to be able
to hold a video.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
And follow him and to be part of his entourage
and to work with him. And at first I thought,
I don't know if that's true or not until I
watched the entire series. And if you get to part four,
which we'll talk about later, if you see.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
That video footage of him beating that girl and pulling
her from the elevator back into the hotel room. Yes,
he is an entitled person and he thinks everyone wants
to be with him, right, And then if you.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Were called when we talked about the trial, then he
went to after that footage. Remember he went to the
security guard and paid paid him off to get the
security footage. And so he's always been able to clean
up things, to finagle people, to manipulate, to control.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I thinks he can murder people and get away with.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
It most likely. So the way I understand it, just
based upon everything I've read about this footage, is that
he hired a videographer to film him. Then that videographer,
his name's like Michael Oberlei's or something, came out and
made a statement I believe in Rolling Stone where he
said I was hired to, you know, film him and
make this footage, but he had to take like three
days off. So then he hired another videographer to replace him.
(09:15):
And so he's blaming that other videographer saying, yeah, saying
it wasn't me, it's this other guy. I had to
take like a couple of days off, so I hired
like a freelance guy and it's the freelance guy that
gave all the footage to Netflix. But according to what
people are saying, he doesn't have contracts in place and
he doesn't pay people, so I'm assuming that's how Netflix
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obtained the footage. Also, he's talking to his attorney in
a room full of people, So when you you know
attorney client privilege, you can't assert that that information that
he's talking about with his attorney is privileged and can't
be aired when exactly this documentary starts out. And it's
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interesting because they do go into a little bit into
this bad boy versus death row, East Coast versus West
Coast hip hop rivalry, which I did not know a
lot about, even though I love the nineties and that's
my favorite decade, but I don't know a lot about that.
So they do go into that because we're going to
get into Biggie's murder and Tupac's murder.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I don't know anything about that because I don't listen
to gangster rap. You don't know is it gangster rap
or well, they're gangsters. Apparently they're killing each other.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
The East Coast Versus West Coast hip Hop Rivalry was
a mid nineties feud between New York's Bad Boy Records,
which was Notorious Big. That was the big name right
on yo Big Notorious Big. I don't know what Big
stood for, but it was. His name was Chris Wallace.
That's his real name. It's Chris Chris Wallace. He's Biggie
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Small's I know that. And it rival rivalry was between
LA's Death Row Records, which was Tupac Shakurs. So these
are the two big names from those two records, right,
You've got Biggie Smalls and you've got Tupac Shaker. It
was fueled by record label competition, media hype, gang culture,
and cultural pride, culminating in diss tracks, and the unsolved
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murders of Tupac and Biggie, which occurred within six months
of each other. So I think Tupac was murdered by
dry by shooting in Vegas. I think it was ninety six,
and then Biggie was shot in a dry by shooting
in La I believe in ninety seven. So the hip
hop began in New York City, giving the East Coast
a sense of ownership, while the West Coast gained massive
commercial success, creating tension between the two The main players
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were Tupac Shakur and Shug Knight, who was the West
Coast death Row Records, and the notorious Big and Puff Daddy,
which was East Coast and bad Boy. However, interviewees in
the Daka series claimed that the rivalry wasn't really between
the artists. It spun out of control after executives, particularly Comb's,
poured fuel on the fire, so moments ones that were
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highlighted in the docuseries. Suge Knight took the stage at
the August nineteen ninety five Source Awards in New York
City and hurled and insulted Combs, publicly taunting him for
stealing the spotlight from the artists whose music he produced.
They actually show this in the documentary. You make some
comment like come to death Row Records, where you know
your executive producer isn't in all your videos things.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
You see an unhealthy trend here? What is the unhealthy
death Row Records? Yes, bad Boy, I mean, and then
and then they want to kill each other because of
like making a recording. I mean, I've seen heavy metal
bands like being rivals and I've never seen them.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
They don't do dry by shootings.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
No, no, not at all, Like it might just be
ax Ros sleeps with like, oh they he's a girlfriend
who probably slept with the whole band. Anyway, I mean
that's it. That's how they laugh about and they high
five each other and then go out.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
That's how they retaliate.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yes, that's much more enjoyable than and killing each other.
Well yes, yeah, and breaking news. Big stands for business
instead of game.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Oh so Biggie stands on his business. Well, but according
to the docu saries, Biggie wanted nothing to do with
the feud. He was an artist. I think he and
Tupac had a good relationship, and I don't as far
as what I took away was that he wasn't interested
in any kind of feuding, that it was fueled by
Sean Combs and and.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
So it was more like they were just defending themselves.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Well, let's think about first of all, this feud. I
mean it's all over the media, right, So it's you're
hyping up your own record label and your own artists
by having a feud, right right. So in June of
nineteen ninety six, Tupac Shaker released Hit Them Up, which
called out Biggie Combs and bad boy by name and
bragged about sleeping with Biggie's wife. Yeah, say there you go.
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Good there, Do you feel better?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Now, that's the way you should do it.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
It's more honorable, all right.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
So let's get into Tupac's death, which I did not know,
but now there is a suspect that is in jail
that is going to trial in February of twenty twenty
six for Tupac's death.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Is Tupac his real name?
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I don't know. It's Tupac is his real name? Okay,
Tupac Shaker? It might be.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I don't know, Tupac cool name.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
It is a cool name. The only man ever arrested
in connection with Tupac Shaker's death previously alleged that Sean
Combs requested the murder Dwayne Keffi D. That's his uh.
I don't know his stage name or I don't know
gangster name.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Keffi k E F F E D. His name is
Dwayne Davis. But you can't go by Dwayne. You got
you need another name, so he goes by Keffi D.
Told police that Comb's put a bounty on the lives
of his rivals, sug Knight and Tupac Shaker. So Combs
has repeatedly denied any involvement in the killing and has
never been named as a suspect or a person of
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interest by authorities in connection with Tupac's homicide. However, they
show this proffer session in two thousand and eight. This
is I had to look up a prophet set because
I didn't know exactly what it was. So it's basically
where he sits down and he gives information. But he
has immunity, so he was involved. So he claims during
the session that he was involved in the in the
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dry By shooting, that he was in the car, he
was in the white Cadillac.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
In exchange for his testimony, they're going to give him
some No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
In exchange for testimony, because this is back in two
thousand and eight, two thousand and nine. They were it
had something to do with some other they were investigating
Tupac's death, but it had also something to do with
some drug related crimes. They bring him in and they
offer him some kind of immunity, basically that whatever he
says won't be used against him in court, but any
evidence that comes from what he tells them they can use.
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So it's very it's very interesting. So basically they bring
him in, they get him to talk, and he says
that this hit on Tupac was ordered by Diddy and
that he was involved in it. He was in the car,
and that it was his nephew who actually pulled up
shot Tupac in Las Vegas. But Puff Daddy at the time, well,
Puff Daddy, Yes, he's had several names, his last one
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being love. Right. So now what's interesting is that then
this is back in two thousand and eight, twenty nine,
when he offers this information about Tupac's death and that
it was ordered by you know, Sean Combs. I'll tell
you though in the interview, though, I was skeptical in
the beginning because the FBI was very leading in the
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beginning in this profit session. It was like, so, so
did he was involved?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Right?
Speaker 1 (16:26):
So he told you were So it was very leading,
and I but I could tell once he warmed up
and I feel like he was more comfortable. Then he
started giving his own details of that night and what happened.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
But in the beginning it was very much you weren't
saying that it was leading in terms of like it
was probably Uh, they were leading him on and getting
him to say things that probably were accurate. You're just
saying this is how it started. It started out.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I was skeptical at first because I felt like they
were just everything they were throwing out, and he was like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
He did it right, he did right. Yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
But then towards then, as the interview went on, he
was actually offering his own details and account of that night,
and it was very detailed, and then I thought, Okay,
now I think that guy was there.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Okay. It took a while for him to warm up.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Probably at one point he claims that he was offered
a million dollars to handle the problem. Davis remembers Combs
being very afraid of Sugar. Night tensions had begun boiling
over months before Shakur's death when a fight broke out
between this is what we were talking about, the Bloods
and the Crips over a death row medallion that belonged tonight.
Among the Crypts group was Davis's nephew, Orlando Anderson. So
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this guy that they offered the profer session too, he's
the one that claims that it was his nephew, Orlando Anderson,
who actually was the one who pulled the trigger. He
is dead now. He is not alive. So everyone involved
in this drive by shooting is dead except for this
guy kefie D.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Were they all deaths as a result of some foul play?
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yes, so I believe it was all like another drive
by or something.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Which you know could be related. Right, you want to
tie up sins.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
So Kefi D, who is behind bars currently and a
waiting trial for orchestrating Shakur's killing, now insists that he
is innocent. Now after he gave all this information. This
is back in two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine,
and then nothing happened after that. So he gives this
information basically in this profit deal, you know, and he
gets immunity. And I think that made him cocky because
then he went on like this media tour. He wrote
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a book basically, I think it was called Like the
Legend of Compton, where he talks about his involvement in
Tupac Shakur's death and the circumstances surrounding it. And then
he was doing like media and talking about like interviews,
and I think he got cocky thinking that he got
immunity during this interview, so then he was safe to
just write a book and go on a media tour
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and talk about it. So then I believe he gets
arrested in twenty twenty three, and now he's going on
trial for the death of Tupac Shakur. But now he's claiming.
Now he's claiming that he's innocent, that he had nothing
to do with it, and that he wasn't even in
Las Vegas during that time period. And when Chupac was
hurt Angela, when I told.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
These stories, Oh no, that profer session, I thought was Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
He also claims that he never read the memoir that
is ascribed to him and only confessed to his purported
role in the crime because he was getting paid to lie.
So it actually it's it's very he's supposed.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
To go a trial, he and bounce it all over
the place.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, but his defense team is claiming that, first of all,
that it's taken way too long. They did these interviews
in eight and oh nine, and now here they are
prosecuting him in twenty twenty three, So that's prosecutorial missed justice.
Like they didn't. They weren't prosecuting him in a timely manner.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
And then but there's no statute limitations on murder.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
But I guess they're saying that like memories fade, people
have died, you know, like no one's alive now that
was involved in the shooting except for.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Him, except for the shooter.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Well he no, he claims he didn't shoot him. He
claims that he was in the car and that it
was his nephew that shot him. But that he, I guess,
was part of it and put it all together.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
So it sucks for Amy's in jail. And how's his
book doing.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I don't know how his book's doing. And I can't
figure out who published it. I need to know, like
what publishing company published it, and what is it self published?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
It's Death Row Publication.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yes, that would be That sounds appropriate. So we'll see
what happens in February twenty twenty six. This guy's going
to go on trial for Tupac's murder.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Well, let's hope we're around to cover it.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
So Biggie's death and Ditty's alleged involvement, So now let's
move on to Biggie's death. So, following Tupac's shooting, the
Bad Boys Records crew knew it was dangerous to be
in Los Angeles, but Combs pushed them to go anyway.
He urged Biggie Smalls to go to LA for promotion
of his album, just six months after Tupac's death. Allegedly,
Biggie was adamant against this and did not want to
go to Los Angeles. It's even said that Biggie was
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supposed to leave for London the day of his death,
but did He forced him to stay in LA to
attend the party was throwing. During that trip, Biggie was
gunned down in Los Angeles. He was killed after leaving
through a rear entrance of the Awards show after party.
I don't know. I guess during this this Enter this
docu series on Netflix, there were people that were alleging
that Biggie was set up by Sean Combe somehow, and
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that he was involved in it, and that he wouldn't
let him go to London, he wanted him to be
in LA.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Has that not always been kind of lingering around that
he might have been involved in Well, I think.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
There's always been speculation that he was involved. Well, he actually,
I mean, let's think about it. First of all, do
you remember the MTV.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
After Yeah, that when he sung with Sting or Yeah
I had the Sting sample in it. That's the first
time I ever knew heard of him, saw him before Yeah,
because I didn't really fall you know that music. I
wasn't against. I just didn't follow it. And when I
started to learn a little bit of the story that
it was, you know, BIG's death and now he's out,
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thought I thought he was just capitalizing off his death. Well,
I didn't think he was a part of it because
I didn't know much. But I also thought like, oh,
like kind of like disrespectful, like he's just capitalizing off
the death. And I don't know, I just I didn't
like him from that that day on.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Well, I would say that that musical appearance, I would
say shot him kind of through the roof as far
as started. I mean, he definitely that was a good
way to put it.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I never heard of him, and then I heard of him.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
He absolutely capitalized or won or became bigger after Biggie
Small's death. Biggie Smalls was the face of bad Boy,
but once Biggie was gone, then Sean Combs became like
a recording artist and was the face of bad Boy,
and I love it. You don't look at Instagram like
I do. But now everybody after this documentary has coming
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out like a trending reel is all these people wearing
like because you know, he had like the white flowy
outfit on, he had like the white shirt, like the
white pants, and then he did that crazy dance when
he came out on stage. Yeah, so everybody's recreating that.
It's like, you know, I just killed my wife and
then it shows him like dancing.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I agree with that. That's not funny. Am I going
to find a real of you saying you just killed
your husband and you're dancing. No, No, because it's not funny.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
You're worth more alive.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
So oh so it's a monetary thing.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yeah. They also allegend this documentary that he had this
huge funeral for Biggie, like he made it this huge thing.
And then there was an interview I think it was
with his original partner at Bad Boy. I think it
was with Kirk. His name's Kirk Burrows. We're gonna talk
about him in a little bit, but he claimed that
he made this huge funeral, this big spectacle of Biggie Smalls.
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But then Biggie Smalls, he said he spent so much
money on it that Shawn Combs was like, well, Biggie
has to pay for it himself, which I assume that
means it comes out of his estate or whatever was
owed to him in some way they use that money,
not his own way.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I say, like it was a publicity thing, like let's
make a big.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah, all right, let's move on. There were some other
things that just stood out to me in this docuseriies,
and one of them was also when they interviewed aubry
O Day. And if you remember aubriy O Day, she
was from making the band? Did you ever watch that
on MTV?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Off and on, you know, when I would try to
find music videos and they kept throwing episodes things.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
So in the docu series we learned that did he
send aubrey O Day a string of sexually explicit emails
and images of his penis while they were filming making
the band?
Speaker 3 (24:16):
And these are young kids? I think she was nineteen, Yeah,
not underage, but young kids. Yeah, yeah, she was very
young and very inappropriate. Right, he's in a way, he's
their superior.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Their boss, yes, right, he's in a position of power, yes, right,
he's the producer he's making a band. This is danity
King talk.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
About pressure because these girls, all these candidates are trying
to become a superstar and this is their opportunity. So
they are on their extreme pressure to comply.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
So aubry O Day reads an email that he had
sent her. I was shocked, shocked.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Oh you read the email? The emails known?
Speaker 1 (24:53):
She read it and read it. Yeah, so O'Day read
some of the emails aloud, with one of them saying, quote,
I make my one and do what I tell her
to do, and she loves it. I just want and
like to do things different. I'm a finish watching this
porn and finished masturbating. I'll think of you if you
change your mind and get ready to do what I say.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
It's a Hallmark card thinking of you.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Smiley face. The email, dated March twenty third, two thousand
and eight, included Comb's standard signature at the time, God
Bless Diddy, God is the greatest.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
That's pay It is the email signature. He doesn't type
it every time.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
No, he doesn't type it every time, but I mean
you can see the irony in it, Like I'm gonna
I want to do all these things to you and
I'm going to watch porn. I'm going to masturbate thinking
of you, smiley face, which.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Was it was a colon and a parenthesis right close parentheses.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah, it wasn't an emoji.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
No, And if you were savvy, you'd do a semi
colon and a close prey. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Aubrey O'Day said she continually turned down comb sexual advances
and was eventually kicked out of Danity Kane. I absolutely
felt that I was fired for not participating sexually as
she made the cut. She part of the band, She
was part of the band, but then he fired her,
and she's alleging, which I mean makes sense that it
was because that he fired her because he was pissed
because he kept coming onto her and sending her sexually
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explicit emails and she didn't want to have anything to
do with them, and so he, you know, he fired her.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
In addition, ode read an affid David from an alleged
witness to the singer being sexually assaulted by Ditty and
another individual in a studio room. O'Day says she has
no recollection of the assault taking place. This was really sad.
I know, Aubrey. And this was really sad for me because,
first of all, the emails were shocking, and I thought,
what a horrible thing for a nineteen year old to
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have to go through. Not only are you on a
reality show and you're.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Talented, Yeah, you're under pressure.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
All this pressure.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
This guy that controls my band, controls my fate in
what I'm pursuing, right, my passion, and now I have
to like either comply and go along with this that
I that is unnatural, or I have to risk getting fired. Right.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
So she's in this position of someone in in a
position of power harassing her control sexual So this affidavit
came to her through an attorney. It was another witness,
so someone else.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
He has, Like, so she still had the email.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Well, she has all the emails, yes, and she read
some of them. Wow, But she also has this new
affidavit because someone else is suing him civilly he has
I don't know what it is currently, but I believe
there's over like a hundred civil cases against him right now.
And the number changes.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Because not one hundred parties like a class action type no, no, no,
like a hundred individual lawsuits five right, And I.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Don't know the exact number, because if you watch the
docu series, it's like I think, because some of them
might get dismissed or some of them might get settled
or something or I don't know, but they when you
have that many rolling on, right, I mean, it's a lot.
So someone sued him civilly for sexual something, and they
included an affidavit within their lawsuit against him that they
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went to a party one night that they were in
a house. They were walking through the house trying to
find the restroom. They went upstairs in this house. It
was a big house. They're walking down the hallway. They
keep opening doors to find the bathroom. They opened a door,
they fine, they said, She said. She opened the door
and inside the room, Aubrey O Day was passed out
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like andebriated on the I don't know, on a floor
bed I don't know. And then Sean Combs was raping
her and there was another man that was doing sexual
things as well. I won't go into the graphic details
of it. And she writes this in an affidavit and
then it gets filed. So then obviously the Affidavid gets
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sent to Aubrey O Day and I feel horrible because
in her interview she's reading the Affidavid she had just
recently gotten it, and she has no recollection of this night,
of that night or that happening. Yeah. None.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
So that's the first time she learns about what happened
to her, right.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
And not only is she learning about it, but she
also says and that she also says, I wasn't like
a heavy drinker, So it's not like I went to
a party and got.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I don't normally get right. I don't do that part
of the plan, right.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
So I think if this is true, and to me
it seems very true because there were a lot of
details in this Avid David about and this woman at
the end, I mean, she signed it under penalty of perjury,
and she says she is one hundred percent certain that
it was Aubrey o Day. And let's be honest, Aubrey
was on TV, She's on a reality show. She's recognizable,
she's very distinctive looking. You know, I knew who she
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was at the time. I'm just a kid that lives
in Ohio.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
So I couldn't name anyone else from the band except
for her.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Right exactly. She was definitely the star standout that was
very recognizable. So and then you know, she says something
in the interview that was very intelligent. She says, if
this is something that's made up, this is a horrible
thing to do to me, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (29:56):
But if oh, either way, it's bad thrawing me in
this situation where you know, it's disgusting what story you're
telling about me, And if it is true, it's still
disgusting that it actually happened, right.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
And then it puts her in a position. This was
my takeaway from it because I listened to it twice.
I actually went back and watched I watched her interview
twice because I thought she was so intelligent and poised
in what she said. And also she said, if this
didn't happen, I'm put in a position where if I
question it, and I questioned this person's integrity, then I'm
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doing a disservice to all the other people because if
this person is made out to be a liar, or if.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
That was just misidentified her, which we think is unlikely,
but if they misidentified her, now their credibility is shot right.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Right, So she's I felt like she was just in
a lose She.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Love.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I don't know what's Is there a statue of limitation?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I'm rape there might be, but if she just learned
about it more recently, it might be from that time
that the statue imitation it starts to trigger right and
the countdown begins. Well, well, I whatever it is, I
hope she makes it through it.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Also, let's go into I thought Kirk Burrows was a
very interesting character for me on this documentary. He was
one of the partners with Ditty that started Bad Boy Records,
so he is splashed throughout this entire four part series.
There are multitudes of interviews with him, and he's been
with Ditty since day one, so I think he has
I find him to be very credible because he's been
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there and seen at all.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
So.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Shawn Combs and Kirk Burrows co founded the music label
bad Boy Entertainment back in nineteen ninety three. The company's
creation came two years after nine people died in a
stampede during a celebrity basketball game that Ditty had organized.
This was reported by CNN. I think we might have
talked about this basketball game when we did our earlier
Ditty episodes, but he organized like a basketball a celebrity
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basketball game, and then there were way too many people
and nine people got trampled and died. And that was all.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
I don't remember that. We didn't talk about think we
talked about it. How many people died?
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Nine? What Yeah? Combs allegedly gave his mother Janis seventy
five percent of the company in stock and Burrows had
the remaining twenty five percent to avoid being held financially
responsible for.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
The charge love he is, Yeah, or you will die
or be violated.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
So his partner Burrows alleges in the docuseries that Diddy
did not put the company in his name in order
to protect him from paying families in that tragedy that happened.
And then so his mother Janis has seventy five percent
of Bad Boy, and then Burrows had his twenty five
percent cut. Burrows has alleged that Combs subjected him to
years years of verbal, emotional, and physical abuse during their
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time running the company together. He claimed that nineteen ninety
six did he threatened him with a baseball bat and
forced him to sign over his twenty five percent ownership
stake in Bad Boy Entertainment. He was later allegedly fired
from the company for declining to alter Biggie's contract. After
his death, Burrows said in the docuseries that he was
blacklisted in industry for the next twenty five years, which
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I believe because I've never heard of him, and I
don't think that he's been able to make his way
in that industry after that. So he claims that did
he threatened him with a bat took his twenty five percent,
but also promised that he would give it back to him,
and then never gave it back to him.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
He didn't keep his promise.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
He didn't keep his promise. So in February of twenty
twenty five, Burroughs filed a lawsuit against Combs, accusing him
of years of alleged predatory actions that included subjecting him
to repeated sexual harassment, physical aggression, and force compliance with
degrading sexual acts. According to the complaint, the alleged harassment
occurred during nineteen ninety two and ninety four and escalated
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to physical coercion and forced submission, as well as alleged
sexual abuse between ninety five and ninety six. He also
claims there was an incident where Combs told him to
come into his office and when he went into his office.
Combs was getting like, you know, fillatio under the desk,
and he did it to like make him I don't know.
To me, that's a no. It's this is how sick
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and dimnit he that I think he uses.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
And you know how many other people who have been
violated don't know just like she says she did not happen.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
I don't know. I mean, we'll get more into that
because then there's another producer that's in the fourth part
of this docuseries named Little Rod, and I feel terrible
for this guy too, but I think, I mean, my
takeaway is that Diddy is just a sexual deviant. It's
not even like is he gay or straight or bisexual.
It's just to me, it's just a diabolical way that
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he controls and manipulates and violates other people and by
degrading them and sexually abusing them. And that's just how
he controls and it's sick and demended. And you know,
all these people that are in these docuseries, a lot
of these people weren't involved in the trial. And I'm
thinking that the trial, I feel like the prosecutors might
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have prosecuted him too early before they investigated enough because
I feel like there's more information and there's more people,
and there's more victims that are in this docu series
that does more to establish a criminal enterprise or all
this sexual deviant behavior, or you know what I mean.
Like I felt like maybe the prosecutors prosecuted him too
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quickly and maybe should have spent more time collecting more
evidence and more witnesses, and.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
They were smoking guns and they really didn't do their homework.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
So Kirk Burrows also separately filed a complaint against Janis
That's p did his mother, claiming that she knowingly participated
in the fraudulent scheme to obtain one hundred percent control
of Bad Boy Entertainment, and that she carefully maintained a facade,
a facade of integrity, while orchestrating the plane of financial
and professional downfall behind the scenes. Both twenty five cases
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remain pending. Now I think this Kirk Burrows is now
in a state where he's comfortable suing him and he's
comfortable talking about what happened because he knows that now
he'll be taken seriously. Also in the fourth part, there's
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someone named Little Rod who is a producer. I felt
sorry for this guy.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Because guy broke my heart.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
No, you could be a little Shane, I'd be No,
I'd bet Big Rod.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Oh, of course you would. Lil Rod broke my heart.
So Rodney little Rod Jones alleged Combs sexually harassed, drugged,
and threatened him while he worked for Combs on his
Love album from September twenty twenty two to November of
twenty twenty three. The music producer also alleged at Combs
and others that Combs hired sexually assaulted him. I guess
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he started out being a producer for Combs, because I
think Sean Combs had some kind of like producer writing
two week academy kind of thing where there were all
these people in the studio and he was writing that
new Love album. He had a bunch of people there
and they were singing and writing, and people had all
these suggestions and he didn't like any of it. And
then Lil Rod was the one person who I guess
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he wrote something or did something that he liked and
was like, Okay, that's it, Like that's a hit. So
then he takes him, he plucks him out of there
and says, okay, I want you to produce this album,
and they go I believe it was to Miami, to Combs'
his home in Miami to produce this album. And he's
living with him in his house and every day he's
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waking up and he's like, and everything's recorded, all the
video footage they have of all this is insane that
he just records everything. But he's working on this album.
He's there for like a year and a half, almost
two years. They finally get this album produced. He says
it takes forever. Then he's like waking up in the
morning and like Combs is in bed with him, and
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he's and Combs is showing him porn and he's saying
he's showing him gay porn and saying like you need
to watch this because this is like what music is.
And he's questioning everything, like how is this guy so successful?
He's telling me, like, you know, we all have to
be drugged and have these orgies and freak offs and
watch porn, and I don't know. He ends up staying
there and they get this album produced because he was
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promised two hundred and fifty thousand dollars and Combs also
allegedly told him he was going to buy him the
house next door.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
So it's not what are you gonna do. You're in
the middle of this huge project, you're trying to get
your career going right, and you're just gonna be like, Okay,
this is gross and quit. I mean, that's that's hard.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
It is hard.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
I know, you don't know. Maybe it's just another month
tough it out, and that ends up being six more month.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
I mean, who knows, right, So he ends up staying
through the whole thing. He he gets the album made. Finally,
the album does well. I think it's it's I think
it does pretty well. He never receives a dime and
there's no contract in place, and he never gets payment.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
There was nothing written.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
No and no payment. He got no money.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Well, and you think Sean Combs overlooked that part of the.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
That's what I'm saying. That's why when I saw that
fourth part, it made me go back to where we
were talking about the video footage and how he just
has people around him doing all these jobs, but there's
never contracts in place and there's never payment, and he
just expects loyalty because of who he is. And so
this guy, little rod Well he could did he sue.
Well he did, yeah, so Rod filed. Well. I Rod
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filed a thirty million dollar lawsuit against Didy in February
of twenty twenty four, accusing him of sexual misconduct and
included Justin Comb's Diddy's son as a defendant. He claimed
that Justin was present at a freak off. In March,
a judge dismissed five of Rod's nine claims against Ditty,
so he still has four open claims. So well, I
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hope Rod gets some kind of compensation. The guy was
talking about how he missed Christmases with his kids and
birthdays with his kids. I don't know they showed they
showed him doing like did he doing press for the
Love tour? The Love album? But he was I believe
he was arrested shortly after that came out, So I
think if there was success, it was very short lived. Yeah.
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They also interview Clayton how who was a former sex worker.
In the docu series. He was a former male escort
and he details his alleged encounters with Diddy and his
then girlfriend Cassie. Clayton Howard claims the duo hired him
to participate in days long drug fueled sex parties. Now.
We talked about this when we did earlier episodes about
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the Freakoffs. It was really interesting to have him talk
about it because he gave a lot of details he confirmed,
like all the baby oil and how much did he
love the baby oil.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
We needed confirmation about the baby saw.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
The picture, I know, but just hearing it from side
confirmed the baby oil.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Yeah. He claims that he went to see them every
two to three weeks. I was involved with this for
a little over eight years, so he was involved in
doing these sexual freak offs for over eight years.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
He was he was just attending or was he They would.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Fly him like wherever. I don't know where he was
based out of.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
I mean he was he was just a guest, right
he was brought in.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
He had sex with Cassie and he said the first time,
the first encounter he had, I believed Shaw Combs came
out with a T shirt wrapped around his head so
he wouldn't recognize.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Him around his own head.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Yeah, because Shawn Combs watched while this sex worker had
sex with Cassie, but he didn't want him to recognize him,
so he had a T shirt wrapped around his head,
which I don't know. I guess he could still see
he have like holes cut in the T shirt. I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
I don't know either.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
I don't know, but I tell you, the more and
more I.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Get, probably a puff Daddy T shirt, also probably with
his face on.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Yeah. Howard claimed that during his first alleged freak off
did he told Cassie to skip a song that was
playing by Tupac. He also alleged that he spent every
March ninth with Cassie.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
And Ditty, Get that crap out of here.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
And then that guy died, the one that created the
playlist foul play disappeared.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
He also alleged that he spent every March ninth with
Cassie and Diddy, which he believes was a way to
commemorate the death of the notorious Big so Big was
murdered on March ninth, so apparently they always had like
a freak off in his honor on March ninthpect I
mean as you should, right, yeah, Ring to Howard, Diddy's
abusive cycle with Cassie became routine at their freak offs.
Every time she got assaulted, she would run out, but
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she would always come back after disappearing for thirty minutes
or forty five minutes. Howard recalls that Cassie would return
like absolutely nothing had happened. Another moment, he describes, they
started arguing and he punched her dead in the chest.
She flew across the room. I said, holy shit. Howard's
most disturbing recollection occurred in Miami during a sexual encounter.
He says he was hired to participate and I was
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having sex with her when Combs gets jealous. According to him,
Combs runs and jumps on top of her and then
started having sex with her. I don't know. It just
sounds like I don't know why this guy wanted well,
and this guy that was involved with for eight years,
oh you should be castrated, y his punishment for eight years.
This guy is involved in this and he sees this.
He must be getting paid some.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
To continue to be in the contract in places get paid.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Yeah, but he's paying those sex workers. I don't think
he misses those payments. Doesn't He doesn't pay his like
other people, like.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
His producers don't cut those corners.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
But he definitely pays his sex workers.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
I have a question, Yes, might be out of place,
but do you think Sting regrets and performing. Holy God,
because Sting I think is squeaky clean, right, Yeah, I mean,
at least in the public eye. You know, he's clean,
So you think he's been at a freak cough.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
I don't know there's a Sting video of staying at
a freak off.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
I don't know either, But I thought the same thing
when they showed that footage of that MTV award or
wherever it was where he performed that, and they show
Sting standing there on the stage singing, and then you know,
Diddy's jumping around in his white outphit and he's doing
all those crazy dance moves. I thought the same thing.
I thought. I wonder if Sting watches that now and thinks, man,
I should have turned that one down. Yeah, Howard, this
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is the sex worker claim. His claims match up with
Cassie's testimonies of these freak offs. An NBC News article
reported from the Ditty trials said much of what Cassie
testified to was graphic, from the sex acts with male
escorts to the violence, including the fights with combs that
left her covered in is. I don't know. It was
sad to hear about that again. But again, you know,
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he also he didn't this sex worker I don't believe
testified in the trial at all, which I feel like
maybe he should have. It seemed like he had some
very in depth knowledge, he was there.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
For years of knowledge.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
I'm not sure why he wasn't subpoena. But again, you know,
it goes back to where he talks about how all
these horrible things would happen to Cassie, but then she
would continue to come back and acted like nothing happened.
And again, I do believe that's why he was not
convicted of those higher charges because the jury it was
hard for them.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
The story that they were told or the story that
they believed was she was a well.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
It's hard to establish that she was coerced when she
comes back.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yeah, but that that's she kept coming back because she
was coerced.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
I know, I get it, but I think there were
times where she could have well, I don't know the
time she tried to leave the hotel.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
I'm a big believer that people can be trapped and
it's not easy to just get up and leave.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Saying from a jury standpoint, it was hard to establish
Rico and the other sexual charges because of the coercion,
and then I think a lot of the jurors felt
like it was a two way street, like she kept returning.
So the jurors that were interviewed in this docuseries, they
interviewed two of the jurors from the Ditty trial. In
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the docuseries, two jurors talked about the trial and verdict,
with Juror seventy five saying he believes one hundred percent
that justice was served. When discussing Ditty and Cassie's relationship,
he called them overly in love and was confused by
how quickly the couple seemed to reconcile. The very next day,
They're getting back together and exchanging text messages like nothing
ever happened. So that was, you know what I was saying.
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When asked by a producer if Combs was a violent person,
Juror one sixty replied, based on that intercontinental video, he
can be unforgivable. Honestly, you can't beat that small girl
like that the way he did, but domestic violence wasn't
one of the charges. Juror one sixty identified her self
as someone from that generation who basically grew up listening
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to the music that he was involved, and you could
tell she was a fan. I think they put I
think they pulled those two jurors and they interviewed them
for the docu series. Because the one man had no
idea who Sean Combs was. You could tell he was
he wasn't. He didn't listen to music in that genre.
He had no idea who he was. You know. He
said that he could like he had trouble convicting him
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of the higher charges because he felt like they just
reconciled quickly, and she always came back and he made sense,
like I felt like he was explained. He explained himself. Well,
then the other juror, she was a super fan. There
was no doubt about that. She had listened to the music.
She knew all the band. She was like, I knew
this band and this band and all these bands that
he created. So after the documentary aired, there was a
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photo of a woman with Diddy from years ago that
went viral, with many people mistakingly identifying her as Juror
one sixty and accusing the juror of lying about not
being a fan. But now a woman named Winter Mitchell
Roorb has spoken out and said that she is actually
the woman in the photo with Ditty and not the
juror in question. She wrote on X I am not
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the juror. Wow, so we know that she wasn't the
woman in the photo. However, I do stand.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
By her being a superfan, her being a superfan.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
I think that she was a superfan. I think that
she was obsessed with Ditty. I think that she was
a super fan from when she was young. She loved
the music, all the band, she watched it all. And
I don't know if you get an impartial juror jury
when you have someone on.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
The jury like that, so unlikely.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Then, lastly, let's just talk about Capricorn Clark. That she
was Ditty's assistant for many many years, former assistant, and
she also testified in the trial. Capricorn Clark, who started
as Ditty's assistant before becoming the global brand director for
Bad Boy Entertainment, claims that Ditty threatened her with death
on her first day of the job and later kidnapped
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her a gunpoint to join him in an effort to
kill rapper Kid Cutty. Now we talked about this in
earlier episodes. If you remember kid Cutty, he was having
an affair I guess with Cassie.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
Is that the one that was that blew up?
Speaker 1 (48:04):
Yeah? And then then so allegedly P Diddy went to
Capricorn's house, grabbed her by a gun, put her in
the car. They drove to Kid Cuddies. Kid Cutty wasn't there.
I guess he said his porche on fire allegedly broke
into his house. And then this jury that I was
talking about that was the superfan said that she didn't
find any of that believable, and I'm thinking, how how
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do you? How have you sat in this on this
jury for all these weeks and listened to all this
testimony and saw the video, but then said, you know what,
There's no way that man did that because.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
She was just staring at him the whole time.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
Yeah, Capricorn Clark worked for Ditty in the early stages
of his career and saw him and his brand evolved
in real time. She drew an interesting analogy in the
docu saries to describe him, which speaks on feeding the
two wolves. I actually really liked this. I thought this
was really intelligent when she said this, and it really
spoke to me. Have you ever heard that analogy of
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the two wolves it's actually a Native American it comes
from Native American mythology or something, but it's an The
story goes an elder tells his grandson about two wolves
fighting inside him, one representing goodness, which is love, empathy, courage, joy,
et cetera, and the other wolf representing evil, which is anger, greed, fear, jealousy.
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The grandson asks which wolf wins at the fight, and
the elder replies, the one you feed. I thought that
was really interesting, and so she makes that analogy because
she says that she feels like when she was his
assistant and the people that were around him at that time,
they knew that there were the two wolves struggling, but
she says that she felt like they did. They were
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trying to feed the good wolf, and that's why that's
when he was progressing. And that's when I guess, I
don't know, but I think she feels like they were
working towards feeding the good wolf to keep him on
the straight and narrow. But then once she was gone
and other people were involved in his life and he
was surrounding himself with other people, those other people were
the bad wolf, and that's when you just got an
I like that analogy feeding. Oh my gosh, well, I
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really thought about that when I read this, because I
really love this analogy, and I.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
Thought, I gotta come, are you feeding well?
Speaker 1 (50:13):
I feed both at times. I think we all do, right,
But the point okay, because you're perfect, But I think
the point is you said it is to focus on
feeding the good wolf. Right. It's to not give in
to fear and insecurity and ask.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
What peaceful warriors? The battles I fight are the ones
on the inside on the outside.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
Right, Yes, I like my wolf analogy, you like peaceful warrior.
But I think my takeaway from that was to wake
up every day and feed the good wolf. So we
will end that. We will end that episode on feeding
the good wolf. That's our advice to all of our
listeners out there is to wake up every day, look
in the mirror, and feed the good wolf. Because nobody
wants to be like p.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
Diddy, So don't be a diddy, don't be a ditty.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
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for listening. We really appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
Thank you,
Hi, guys, Welcome to a new episode of Legally Brunette.
I will be your host Emily Simpson with Shane. Today
we are going to talk about Shawn Comb's The Reckoning,
and I will be honest with you. I didn't really
have the intention of doing a podcast on this because
we had followed the Ditty trial, We'd done a couple
podcasts on Ditty. The Reckoning came out. I don't know,
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I thought, I don't know, is there really anything? Is
there information in here?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
No more investigation, there's no more, you know, anything interesting
to stink our teeth into. But then this comes out.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
But then this comes out, And again I didn't really
have the intention of talking about it until I kept
getting so many dms from you guys out there, which
I'm thankful for because you you guys have good insight.
But so many people were reaching out saying, have you
watched it? Are you guys going to talk about it?
You should talk about it. So I watched it. So
Shawn Comes. The Reckoning is a four part Netflix docu
(00:54):
series that offers an in depth look at the rise
and fall of Sean Ditty Combs. It's directed by Alexandria
Stapleton and executive produced by Curtis fifty cent Jackson. The
series traces Comb's journey from an influential Bad Boy Records
founder to a convicted felon serving a prison sentence, using
exclusive interviews with former associates to jurors. This is interesting
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and insiders alongside never before seen footage some shot in
the days right before his twenty twenty four arrest. So
when I first started watching it, I was like, Wow,
they have some footage in here that is really interesting
because he is documenting himself at the Park Hyatt Hotel
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in New York City, like literally a couple days before
he's about to be arrested, and he knows that they're
investigating coming. He knows it's coming, he knows he's being investigated.
He knows he's gonna have all these charges. Let's just
before we get into this, let's just go back and
talk about the charges and what he was convicted of.
So Diddy was accused of racketeering, two sex trafficking counts,
(02:02):
and two counts of transportation for prostitution. The charges centered
on his conduct with ex girlfriend Cassie Ventura and an
anonymous victim known as Jane, who testified in the trial.
Jane had data combs from early twenty twenty one until
his arrest and indictment in September of twenty twenty four.
Despite her anonymity, many are convinced that Jane is Daphne Joy,
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the mother of fifty cents child. See maybe that's what
makes fifty so invested as well.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Ditty was ultimately convicted on two counts of transportation for prostitution.
So we did do earlier podcast episodes about Ditty when
we were following the trials, So if you would like
to go back and listen to those, I think those
are good episodes. Also, if you remember, he was not
convicted of the higher charges of rico and sex traffickings
(02:51):
length he would have been in prison for a lot
of the times.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Wouldn't they confiscate a lot of his assets and stuff too?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Most likely, But he was convicted of the less serious
charge of just transporting people across state lines for prostitution. Yes,
it is now all his did. He was acquitted of
the most serious charge of racketeering conspiracy, which carries a
potential life sentence, as well as the two charges of
sex trafficking so obviously we're not recappers. So this is
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four parts. I don't want to go through and recap this.
It's very long, it's very complicated, it's very in depth.
I think it's very well done if you're invested in
it and you want to go back to the nineties
to talk about like when he first started, how he
came up in the music business, the people he dealt with, some.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Of his early re footage from.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
A lot of real footage, a lot of interviews. It's
very very well done. But I as I watched it,
I thought, let's pull out some of the things that
really stuck out to me and some of the significant
things that I want to talk about. The first is
that video footage used in the series. So the Netflix
docuseriies begins with never before seen footage showing Sean Diddycomb's
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speaking with his attorney, Mark agnifient I could never say
his last name was his initial Agnifhilo, mark A mark A.
And if you remember, Mark A is married to an
attorney who represents Luigi Mangioni. So these are some high
profile attorneys. So Mark agnif Philo, less than a week
before his arrest, he's speaking to his attorney. This is
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in the video footage. The footage was recorded by a
videographer Combs had hired to document his legal troubles. Now,
that's the thing about Sean Combs is you could tell
even though he's being investigated by the FBI, he knows
he's going to get arrested. They're reaching out and sab
poena people, and he wants it documented.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Because well didn't he didn't he before sentencing think he
was going to get out or he was he already
staged like some party or some event thinking he was
going to get out.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Oh, I don't know. You mean he was already like
planning a party something.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I don't know if it was a party or if
it was some type of some type of celebration, some
type of thing where he's anticipating, being clear enough, being
in the slammer, right, And that was like, who do
you think you are?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
He's Sean? Did he cumbs? He's gotten away with a
lot of things from many Combs many many many years. So,
despite uncertainty surrounding Comb's motivations for filming himself, director Alexandria
Stapleton suggested he may have been attempting to shape or
preserve control over his own public narrative.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I mean what it was, I'd be like, you find
out that the CoP's going to bust in the house
and search our place, and you quickly call Brav when
you're like, hey, let's document this. I'm about to go
to jail. I mean, I would never want to do that.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Okay, but you think you and I wouldn't. But I
feel like when you said that, I feel like there's
housewives that would do that.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Maybe.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
So fifty Stapleton and Netflix have all kept the source
of the footage private. Stapleton said it came to us
we obtained the footage legally and have the necessary rights.
We moved heaven and earth to keep the filmmaker's identity confidential.
One thing about Shawn Combs is that he's always filming
himself and it's been an obsession throughout the decades. We
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also reached out to Shawncomb's legal team for an interview
and comment multiple times, but we did not hear back.
So just one day before the series premiered on Netflix,
Comb's attorneys sent Netflix a cease and desist letter alleging
the footage was improperly acquired and used without authorization. Comb's
representatives also claimed the material was originally intended for a
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separate documentary project that Combs had been developing, which was
later stalled due to his mounting legal issues. Now, first
of all, I don't believe that for one second. I
think he's self filming himself because he doesn't think he's
going to get convicted, and so he's going to use
all this footage to make a documentary about a half
while else.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Would you record yourself talking to your attorney about a
game plan?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Right? A Netflix rep told Variety in a statement in
early December, the claims being made about Seawan Combs the
reckoning are false. The project has no ties to he
passed conversations between Shawn Combs and Netflix. The footage of
Combs leading up to his indictment and arrests were legally obtained.
This is not a hit piece or an act of retribution. Now,
first of all, Netflix is what a multi billion dollar company?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I don't know, I know, mega billion, megabillion, Okay, yeah,
because they bought like Warner Bros. Like seventy billions.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Okay, So you're gonna tell me that Netflix doesn't have
a roomful of the.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Brightest attorney this stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Of course they they I would have written back a
ceasing distance letter for Shawn Combs and been like, stop
contacting us, No, stop abusing women and other people and
harming society, and you know, I mean seriously.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
So I did read that. I think it was a
former assistant of his or something came forward and wrote
something on.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Like a sub has a lot of former assistants.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Oh, there's a lot of former people out there that
have dealt with him. But he said that the footage
was obtained from the videographer because Shawn Combs never has
contracts in play, so he doesn't pay people and he
just expects loyalty, like he always is wanting people to
do things for him, but he never has an actual
contract in place, and he never actually Oh, he's just.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
So special that everyone will be blessed to be able
to hold a video.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
And follow him and to be part of his entourage
and to work with him. And at first I thought,
I don't know if that's true or not until I
watched the entire series. And if you get to part four,
which we'll talk about later, if you see.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
That video footage of him beating that girl and pulling
her from the elevator back into the hotel room. Yes,
he is an entitled person and he thinks everyone wants
to be with him, right, And then if you.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Were called when we talked about the trial, then he
went to after that footage. Remember he went to the
security guard and paid paid him off to get the
security footage. And so he's always been able to clean
up things, to finagle people, to manipulate, to control.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I thinks he can murder people and get away with.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
It most likely. So the way I understand it, just
based upon everything I've read about this footage, is that
he hired a videographer to film him. Then that videographer,
his name's like Michael Oberlei's or something, came out and
made a statement I believe in Rolling Stone where he
said I was hired to, you know, film him and
make this footage, but he had to take like three
days off. So then he hired another videographer to replace him.
(09:15):
And so he's blaming that other videographer saying, yeah, saying
it wasn't me, it's this other guy. I had to
take like a couple of days off, so I hired
like a freelance guy and it's the freelance guy that
gave all the footage to Netflix. But according to what
people are saying, he doesn't have contracts in place and
he doesn't pay people, so I'm assuming that's how Netflix
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obtained the footage. Also, he's talking to his attorney in
a room full of people, So when you you know
attorney client privilege, you can't assert that that information that
he's talking about with his attorney is privileged and can't
be aired when exactly this documentary starts out. And it's
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interesting because they do go into a little bit into
this bad boy versus death row, East Coast versus West
Coast hip hop rivalry, which I did not know a
lot about, even though I love the nineties and that's
my favorite decade, but I don't know a lot about that.
So they do go into that because we're going to
get into Biggie's murder and Tupac's murder.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I don't know anything about that because I don't listen
to gangster rap. You don't know is it gangster rap
or well, they're gangsters. Apparently they're killing each other.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
The East Coast Versus West Coast hip Hop Rivalry was
a mid nineties feud between New York's Bad Boy Records,
which was Notorious Big. That was the big name right
on yo Big Notorious Big. I don't know what Big
stood for, but it was. His name was Chris Wallace.
That's his real name. It's Chris Chris Wallace. He's Biggie
(10:51):
Small's I know that. And it rival rivalry was between
LA's Death Row Records, which was Tupac Shakurs. So these
are the two big names from those two records, right,
You've got Biggie Smalls and you've got Tupac Shaker. It
was fueled by record label competition, media hype, gang culture,
and cultural pride, culminating in diss tracks, and the unsolved
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murders of Tupac and Biggie, which occurred within six months
of each other. So I think Tupac was murdered by
dry by shooting in Vegas. I think it was ninety six,
and then Biggie was shot in a dry by shooting
in La I believe in ninety seven. So the hip
hop began in New York City, giving the East Coast
a sense of ownership, while the West Coast gained massive
commercial success, creating tension between the two The main players
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were Tupac Shakur and Shug Knight, who was the West
Coast death Row Records, and the notorious Big and Puff Daddy,
which was East Coast and bad Boy. However, interviewees in
the Daka series claimed that the rivalry wasn't really between
the artists. It spun out of control after executives, particularly Comb's,
poured fuel on the fire, so moments ones that were
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highlighted in the docuseries. Suge Knight took the stage at
the August nineteen ninety five Source Awards in New York
City and hurled and insulted Combs, publicly taunting him for
stealing the spotlight from the artists whose music he produced.
They actually show this in the documentary. You make some
comment like come to death Row Records, where you know
your executive producer isn't in all your videos things.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
You see an unhealthy trend here? What is the unhealthy
death Row Records? Yes, bad Boy, I mean, and then
and then they want to kill each other because of
like making a recording. I mean, I've seen heavy metal
bands like being rivals and I've never seen them.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
They don't do dry by shootings.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
No, no, not at all, Like it might just be
ax Ros sleeps with like, oh they he's a girlfriend
who probably slept with the whole band. Anyway, I mean
that's it. That's how they laugh about and they high
five each other and then go out.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
That's how they retaliate.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yes, that's much more enjoyable than and killing each other.
Well yes, yeah, and breaking news. Big stands for business
instead of game.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Oh so Biggie stands on his business. Well, but according
to the docu saries, Biggie wanted nothing to do with
the feud. He was an artist. I think he and
Tupac had a good relationship, and I don't as far
as what I took away was that he wasn't interested
in any kind of feuding, that it was fueled by
Sean Combs and and.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
So it was more like they were just defending themselves.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Well, let's think about first of all, this feud. I
mean it's all over the media, right, So it's you're
hyping up your own record label and your own artists
by having a feud, right right. So in June of
nineteen ninety six, Tupac Shaker released Hit Them Up, which
called out Biggie Combs and bad boy by name and
bragged about sleeping with Biggie's wife. Yeah, say there you go.
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Good there, Do you feel better?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Now, that's the way you should do it.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
It's more honorable, all right.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
So let's get into Tupac's death, which I did not know,
but now there is a suspect that is in jail
that is going to trial in February of twenty twenty
six for Tupac's death.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Is Tupac his real name?
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I don't know. It's Tupac is his real name? Okay,
Tupac Shaker? It might be.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I don't know, Tupac cool name.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
It is a cool name. The only man ever arrested
in connection with Tupac Shaker's death previously alleged that Sean
Combs requested the murder Dwayne Keffi D. That's his uh.
I don't know his stage name or I don't know
gangster name.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Keffi k E F F E D. His name is
Dwayne Davis. But you can't go by Dwayne. You got
you need another name, so he goes by Keffi D.
Told police that Comb's put a bounty on the lives
of his rivals, sug Knight and Tupac Shaker. So Combs
has repeatedly denied any involvement in the killing and has
never been named as a suspect or a person of
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interest by authorities in connection with Tupac's homicide. However, they
show this proffer session in two thousand and eight. This
is I had to look up a prophet set because
I didn't know exactly what it was. So it's basically
where he sits down and he gives information. But he
has immunity, so he was involved. So he claims during
the session that he was involved in the in the
(15:11):
dry By shooting, that he was in the car, he
was in the white Cadillac.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
In exchange for his testimony, they're going to give him
some No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
In exchange for testimony, because this is back in two
thousand and eight, two thousand and nine. They were it
had something to do with some other they were investigating
Tupac's death, but it had also something to do with
some drug related crimes. They bring him in and they
offer him some kind of immunity, basically that whatever he
says won't be used against him in court, but any
evidence that comes from what he tells them they can use.
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So it's very it's very interesting. So basically they bring
him in, they get him to talk, and he says
that this hit on Tupac was ordered by Diddy and
that he was involved in it. He was in the car,
and that it was his nephew who actually pulled up
shot Tupac in Las Vegas. But Puff Daddy at the time, well,
Puff Daddy, Yes, he's had several names, his last one
(15:59):
being love. Right. So now what's interesting is that then
this is back in two thousand and eight, twenty nine,
when he offers this information about Tupac's death and that
it was ordered by you know, Sean Combs. I'll tell
you though in the interview, though, I was skeptical in
the beginning because the FBI was very leading in the
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beginning in this profit session. It was like, so, so
did he was involved?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Right?
Speaker 1 (16:26):
So he told you were So it was very leading,
and I but I could tell once he warmed up
and I feel like he was more comfortable. Then he
started giving his own details of that night and what happened.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
But in the beginning it was very much you weren't
saying that it was leading in terms of like it
was probably Uh, they were leading him on and getting
him to say things that probably were accurate. You're just
saying this is how it started. It started out.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I was skeptical at first because I felt like they
were just everything they were throwing out, and he was like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
He did it right, he did right. Yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
But then towards then, as the interview went on, he
was actually offering his own details and account of that night,
and it was very detailed, and then I thought, Okay,
now I think that guy was there.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Okay. It took a while for him to warm up.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Probably at one point he claims that he was offered
a million dollars to handle the problem. Davis remembers Combs
being very afraid of Sugar. Night tensions had begun boiling
over months before Shakur's death when a fight broke out
between this is what we were talking about, the Bloods
and the Crips over a death row medallion that belonged tonight.
Among the Crypts group was Davis's nephew, Orlando Anderson. So
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this guy that they offered the profer session too, he's
the one that claims that it was his nephew, Orlando Anderson,
who actually was the one who pulled the trigger. He
is dead now. He is not alive. So everyone involved
in this drive by shooting is dead except for this
guy kefie D.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Were they all deaths as a result of some foul play?
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yes, so I believe it was all like another drive
by or something.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Which you know could be related. Right, you want to
tie up sins.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
So Kefi D, who is behind bars currently and a
waiting trial for orchestrating Shakur's killing, now insists that he
is innocent. Now after he gave all this information. This
is back in two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine,
and then nothing happened after that. So he gives this
information basically in this profit deal, you know, and he
gets immunity. And I think that made him cocky because
then he went on like this media tour. He wrote
(18:22):
a book basically, I think it was called Like the
Legend of Compton, where he talks about his involvement in
Tupac Shakur's death and the circumstances surrounding it. And then
he was doing like media and talking about like interviews,
and I think he got cocky thinking that he got
immunity during this interview, so then he was safe to
just write a book and go on a media tour
(18:44):
and talk about it. So then I believe he gets
arrested in twenty twenty three, and now he's going on
trial for the death of Tupac Shakur. But now he's claiming.
Now he's claiming that he's innocent, that he had nothing
to do with it, and that he wasn't even in
Las Vegas during that time period. And when Chupac was
hurt Angela, when I told.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
These stories, Oh no, that profer session, I thought was Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
He also claims that he never read the memoir that
is ascribed to him and only confessed to his purported
role in the crime because he was getting paid to lie.
So it actually it's it's very he's supposed.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
To go a trial, he and bounce it all over
the place.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, but his defense team is claiming that, first of all,
that it's taken way too long. They did these interviews
in eight and oh nine, and now here they are
prosecuting him in twenty twenty three, So that's prosecutorial missed justice.
Like they didn't. They weren't prosecuting him in a timely manner.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
And then but there's no statute limitations on murder.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
But I guess they're saying that like memories fade, people
have died, you know, like no one's alive now that
was involved in the shooting except for.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Him, except for the shooter.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Well he no, he claims he didn't shoot him. He
claims that he was in the car and that it
was his nephew that shot him. But that he, I guess,
was part of it and put it all together.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
So it sucks for Amy's in jail. And how's his
book doing.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I don't know how his book's doing. And I can't
figure out who published it. I need to know, like
what publishing company published it, and what is it self published?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
It's Death Row Publication.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yes, that would be That sounds appropriate. So we'll see
what happens in February twenty twenty six. This guy's going
to go on trial for Tupac's murder.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Well, let's hope we're around to cover it.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
So Biggie's death and Ditty's alleged involvement, So now let's
move on to Biggie's death. So, following Tupac's shooting, the
Bad Boys Records crew knew it was dangerous to be
in Los Angeles, but Combs pushed them to go anyway.
He urged Biggie Smalls to go to LA for promotion
of his album, just six months after Tupac's death. Allegedly,
Biggie was adamant against this and did not want to
go to Los Angeles. It's even said that Biggie was
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supposed to leave for London the day of his death,
but did He forced him to stay in LA to
attend the party was throwing. During that trip, Biggie was
gunned down in Los Angeles. He was killed after leaving
through a rear entrance of the Awards show after party.
I don't know. I guess during this this Enter this
docu series on Netflix, there were people that were alleging
that Biggie was set up by Sean Combe somehow, and
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that he was involved in it, and that he wouldn't
let him go to London, he wanted him to be
in LA.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Has that not always been kind of lingering around that
he might have been involved in Well, I think.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
There's always been speculation that he was involved. Well, he actually,
I mean, let's think about it. First of all, do
you remember the MTV.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
After Yeah, that when he sung with Sting or Yeah
I had the Sting sample in it. That's the first
time I ever knew heard of him, saw him before Yeah,
because I didn't really fall you know that music. I
wasn't against. I just didn't follow it. And when I
started to learn a little bit of the story that
it was, you know, BIG's death and now he's out,
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thought I thought he was just capitalizing off his death. Well,
I didn't think he was a part of it because
I didn't know much. But I also thought like, oh,
like kind of like disrespectful, like he's just capitalizing off
the death. And I don't know, I just I didn't
like him from that that day on.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Well, I would say that that musical appearance, I would
say shot him kind of through the roof as far
as started. I mean, he definitely that was a good
way to put it.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I never heard of him, and then I heard of him.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
He absolutely capitalized or won or became bigger after Biggie
Small's death. Biggie Smalls was the face of bad Boy,
but once Biggie was gone, then Sean Combs became like
a recording artist and was the face of bad Boy,
and I love it. You don't look at Instagram like
I do. But now everybody after this documentary has coming
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out like a trending reel is all these people wearing
like because you know, he had like the white flowy
outfit on, he had like the white shirt, like the
white pants, and then he did that crazy dance when
he came out on stage. Yeah, so everybody's recreating that.
It's like, you know, I just killed my wife and
then it shows him like dancing.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I agree with that. That's not funny. Am I going
to find a real of you saying you just killed
your husband and you're dancing. No, No, because it's not funny.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
You're worth more alive.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
So oh so it's a monetary thing.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yeah. They also allegend this documentary that he had this
huge funeral for Biggie, like he made it this huge thing.
And then there was an interview I think it was
with his original partner at Bad Boy. I think it
was with Kirk. His name's Kirk Burrows. We're gonna talk
about him in a little bit, but he claimed that
he made this huge funeral, this big spectacle of Biggie Smalls.
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But then Biggie Smalls, he said he spent so much
money on it that Shawn Combs was like, well, Biggie
has to pay for it himself, which I assume that
means it comes out of his estate or whatever was
owed to him in some way they use that money,
not his own way.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I say, like it was a publicity thing, like let's
make a big.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah, all right, let's move on. There were some other
things that just stood out to me in this docuseriies,
and one of them was also when they interviewed aubry
O Day. And if you remember aubriy O Day, she
was from making the band? Did you ever watch that
on MTV?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Off and on, you know, when I would try to
find music videos and they kept throwing episodes things.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
So in the docu series we learned that did he
send aubrey O Day a string of sexually explicit emails
and images of his penis while they were filming making
the band?
Speaker 3 (24:16):
And these are young kids? I think she was nineteen, Yeah,
not underage, but young kids. Yeah, yeah, she was very
young and very inappropriate. Right, he's in a way, he's
their superior.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Their boss, yes, right, he's in a position of power, yes, right,
he's the producer he's making a band. This is danity
King talk.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
About pressure because these girls, all these candidates are trying
to become a superstar and this is their opportunity. So
they are on their extreme pressure to comply.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
So aubry O Day reads an email that he had
sent her. I was shocked, shocked.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Oh you read the email? The emails known?
Speaker 1 (24:53):
She read it and read it. Yeah, so O'Day read
some of the emails aloud, with one of them saying, quote,
I make my one and do what I tell her
to do, and she loves it. I just want and
like to do things different. I'm a finish watching this
porn and finished masturbating. I'll think of you if you
change your mind and get ready to do what I say.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
It's a Hallmark card thinking of you.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Smiley face. The email, dated March twenty third, two thousand
and eight, included Comb's standard signature at the time, God
Bless Diddy, God is the greatest.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
That's pay It is the email signature. He doesn't type
it every time.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
No, he doesn't type it every time, but I mean
you can see the irony in it, Like I'm gonna
I want to do all these things to you and
I'm going to watch porn. I'm going to masturbate thinking
of you, smiley face, which.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Was it was a colon and a parenthesis right close parentheses.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah, it wasn't an emoji.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
No, And if you were savvy, you'd do a semi
colon and a close prey. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Aubrey O'Day said she continually turned down comb sexual advances
and was eventually kicked out of Danity Kane. I absolutely
felt that I was fired for not participating sexually as
she made the cut. She part of the band, She
was part of the band, but then he fired her,
and she's alleging, which I mean makes sense that it
was because that he fired her because he was pissed
because he kept coming onto her and sending her sexually
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explicit emails and she didn't want to have anything to
do with them, and so he, you know, he fired her.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
In addition, ode read an affid David from an alleged
witness to the singer being sexually assaulted by Ditty and
another individual in a studio room. O'Day says she has
no recollection of the assault taking place. This was really sad.
I know, Aubrey. And this was really sad for me because,
first of all, the emails were shocking, and I thought,
what a horrible thing for a nineteen year old to
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have to go through. Not only are you on a
reality show and you're.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Talented, Yeah, you're under pressure.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
All this pressure.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
This guy that controls my band, controls my fate in
what I'm pursuing, right, my passion, and now I have
to like either comply and go along with this that
I that is unnatural, or I have to risk getting fired. Right.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
So she's in this position of someone in in a
position of power harassing her control sexual So this affidavit
came to her through an attorney. It was another witness,
so someone else.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
He has, Like, so she still had the email.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Well, she has all the emails, yes, and she read
some of them. Wow, But she also has this new
affidavit because someone else is suing him civilly he has
I don't know what it is currently, but I believe
there's over like a hundred civil cases against him right now.
And the number changes.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Because not one hundred parties like a class action type no, no, no,
like a hundred individual lawsuits five right, And I.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Don't know the exact number, because if you watch the
docu series, it's like I think, because some of them
might get dismissed or some of them might get settled
or something or I don't know, but they when you
have that many rolling on, right, I mean, it's a lot.
So someone sued him civilly for sexual something, and they
included an affidavit within their lawsuit against him that they
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went to a party one night that they were in
a house. They were walking through the house trying to
find the restroom. They went upstairs in this house. It
was a big house. They're walking down the hallway. They
keep opening doors to find the bathroom. They opened a door,
they fine, they said, She said. She opened the door
and inside the room, Aubrey O Day was passed out
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like andebriated on the I don't know, on a floor
bed I don't know. And then Sean Combs was raping
her and there was another man that was doing sexual
things as well. I won't go into the graphic details
of it. And she writes this in an affidavit and
then it gets filed. So then obviously the Affidavid gets
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sent to Aubrey O Day and I feel horrible because
in her interview she's reading the Affidavid she had just
recently gotten it, and she has no recollection of this night,
of that night or that happening. Yeah. None.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
So that's the first time she learns about what happened
to her, right.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
And not only is she learning about it, but she
also says and that she also says, I wasn't like
a heavy drinker, So it's not like I went to
a party and got.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I don't normally get right. I don't do that part
of the plan, right.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
So I think if this is true, and to me
it seems very true because there were a lot of
details in this Avid David about and this woman at
the end, I mean, she signed it under penalty of perjury,
and she says she is one hundred percent certain that
it was Aubrey o Day. And let's be honest, Aubrey
was on TV, She's on a reality show. She's recognizable,
she's very distinctive looking. You know, I knew who she
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was at the time. I'm just a kid that lives
in Ohio.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
So I couldn't name anyone else from the band except
for her.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Right exactly. She was definitely the star standout that was
very recognizable. So and then you know, she says something
in the interview that was very intelligent. She says, if
this is something that's made up, this is a horrible
thing to do to me, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (29:56):
But if oh, either way, it's bad thrawing me in
this situation where you know, it's disgusting what story you're
telling about me, And if it is true, it's still
disgusting that it actually happened, right.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
And then it puts her in a position. This was
my takeaway from it because I listened to it twice.
I actually went back and watched I watched her interview
twice because I thought she was so intelligent and poised
in what she said. And also she said, if this
didn't happen, I'm put in a position where if I
question it, and I questioned this person's integrity, then I'm
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doing a disservice to all the other people because if
this person is made out to be a liar, or if.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
That was just misidentified her, which we think is unlikely,
but if they misidentified her, now their credibility is shot right.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Right, So she's I felt like she was just in
a lose She.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Love.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I don't know what's Is there a statue of limitation?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I'm rape there might be, but if she just learned
about it more recently, it might be from that time
that the statue imitation it starts to trigger right and
the countdown begins. Well, well, I whatever it is, I
hope she makes it through it.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Also, let's go into I thought Kirk Burrows was a
very interesting character for me on this documentary. He was
one of the partners with Ditty that started Bad Boy Records,
so he is splashed throughout this entire four part series.
There are multitudes of interviews with him, and he's been
with Ditty since day one, so I think he has
I find him to be very credible because he's been
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there and seen at all.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
So.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Shawn Combs and Kirk Burrows co founded the music label
bad Boy Entertainment back in nineteen ninety three. The company's
creation came two years after nine people died in a
stampede during a celebrity basketball game that Ditty had organized.
This was reported by CNN. I think we might have
talked about this basketball game when we did our earlier
Ditty episodes, but he organized like a basketball a celebrity
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basketball game, and then there were way too many people
and nine people got trampled and died. And that was all.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
I don't remember that. We didn't talk about think we
talked about it. How many people died?
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Nine? What Yeah? Combs allegedly gave his mother Janis seventy
five percent of the company in stock and Burrows had
the remaining twenty five percent to avoid being held financially
responsible for.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
The charge love he is, Yeah, or you will die
or be violated.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
So his partner Burrows alleges in the docuseries that Diddy
did not put the company in his name in order
to protect him from paying families in that tragedy that happened.
And then so his mother Janis has seventy five percent
of Bad Boy, and then Burrows had his twenty five
percent cut. Burrows has alleged that Combs subjected him to
years years of verbal, emotional, and physical abuse during their
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time running the company together. He claimed that nineteen ninety
six did he threatened him with a baseball bat and
forced him to sign over his twenty five percent ownership
stake in Bad Boy Entertainment. He was later allegedly fired
from the company for declining to alter Biggie's contract. After
his death, Burrows said in the docuseries that he was
blacklisted in industry for the next twenty five years, which
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I believe because I've never heard of him, and I
don't think that he's been able to make his way
in that industry after that. So he claims that did
he threatened him with a bat took his twenty five percent,
but also promised that he would give it back to him,
and then never gave it back to him.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
He didn't keep his promise.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
He didn't keep his promise. So in February of twenty
twenty five, Burroughs filed a lawsuit against Combs, accusing him
of years of alleged predatory actions that included subjecting him
to repeated sexual harassment, physical aggression, and force compliance with
degrading sexual acts. According to the complaint, the alleged harassment
occurred during nineteen ninety two and ninety four and escalated
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to physical coercion and forced submission, as well as alleged
sexual abuse between ninety five and ninety six. He also
claims there was an incident where Combs told him to
come into his office and when he went into his office.
Combs was getting like, you know, fillatio under the desk,
and he did it to like make him I don't know.
To me, that's a no. It's this is how sick
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and dimnit he that I think he uses.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
And you know how many other people who have been
violated don't know just like she says she did not happen.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
I don't know. I mean, we'll get more into that
because then there's another producer that's in the fourth part
of this docuseries named Little Rod, and I feel terrible
for this guy too, but I think, I mean, my
takeaway is that Diddy is just a sexual deviant. It's
not even like is he gay or straight or bisexual.
It's just to me, it's just a diabolical way that
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he controls and manipulates and violates other people and by
degrading them and sexually abusing them. And that's just how
he controls and it's sick and demended. And you know,
all these people that are in these docuseries, a lot
of these people weren't involved in the trial. And I'm
thinking that the trial, I feel like the prosecutors might
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have prosecuted him too early before they investigated enough because
I feel like there's more information and there's more people,
and there's more victims that are in this docu series
that does more to establish a criminal enterprise or all
this sexual deviant behavior, or you know what I mean.
Like I felt like maybe the prosecutors prosecuted him too
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quickly and maybe should have spent more time collecting more
evidence and more witnesses, and.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
They were smoking guns and they really didn't do their homework.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
So Kirk Burrows also separately filed a complaint against Janis
That's p did his mother, claiming that she knowingly participated
in the fraudulent scheme to obtain one hundred percent control
of Bad Boy Entertainment, and that she carefully maintained a facade,
a facade of integrity, while orchestrating the plane of financial
and professional downfall behind the scenes. Both twenty five cases
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remain pending. Now I think this Kirk Burrows is now
in a state where he's comfortable suing him and he's
comfortable talking about what happened because he knows that now
he'll be taken seriously. Also in the fourth part, there's
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someone named Little Rod who is a producer. I felt
sorry for this guy.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Because guy broke my heart.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
No, you could be a little Shane, I'd be No,
I'd bet Big Rod.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Oh, of course you would. Lil Rod broke my heart.
So Rodney little Rod Jones alleged Combs sexually harassed, drugged,
and threatened him while he worked for Combs on his
Love album from September twenty twenty two to November of
twenty twenty three. The music producer also alleged at Combs
and others that Combs hired sexually assaulted him. I guess
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he started out being a producer for Combs, because I
think Sean Combs had some kind of like producer writing
two week academy kind of thing where there were all
these people in the studio and he was writing that
new Love album. He had a bunch of people there
and they were singing and writing, and people had all
these suggestions and he didn't like any of it. And
then Lil Rod was the one person who I guess
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he wrote something or did something that he liked and
was like, Okay, that's it, Like that's a hit. So
then he takes him, he plucks him out of there
and says, okay, I want you to produce this album,
and they go I believe it was to Miami, to Combs'
his home in Miami to produce this album. And he's
living with him in his house and every day he's
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waking up and he's like, and everything's recorded, all the
video footage they have of all this is insane that
he just records everything. But he's working on this album.
He's there for like a year and a half, almost
two years. They finally get this album produced. He says
it takes forever. Then he's like waking up in the
morning and like Combs is in bed with him, and
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he's and Combs is showing him porn and he's saying
he's showing him gay porn and saying like you need
to watch this because this is like what music is.
And he's questioning everything, like how is this guy so successful?
He's telling me, like, you know, we all have to
be drugged and have these orgies and freak offs and
watch porn, and I don't know. He ends up staying
there and they get this album produced because he was
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promised two hundred and fifty thousand dollars and Combs also
allegedly told him he was going to buy him the
house next door.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
So it's not what are you gonna do. You're in
the middle of this huge project, you're trying to get
your career going right, and you're just gonna be like, Okay,
this is gross and quit. I mean, that's that's hard.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
It is hard.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
I know, you don't know. Maybe it's just another month
tough it out, and that ends up being six more month.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
I mean, who knows, right, So he ends up staying
through the whole thing. He he gets the album made. Finally,
the album does well. I think it's it's I think
it does pretty well. He never receives a dime and
there's no contract in place, and he never gets payment.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
There was nothing written.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
No and no payment. He got no money.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Well, and you think Sean Combs overlooked that part of the.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
That's what I'm saying. That's why when I saw that
fourth part, it made me go back to where we
were talking about the video footage and how he just
has people around him doing all these jobs, but there's
never contracts in place and there's never payment, and he
just expects loyalty because of who he is. And so
this guy, little rod Well he could did he sue.
Well he did, yeah, so Rod filed. Well. I Rod
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filed a thirty million dollar lawsuit against Didy in February
of twenty twenty four, accusing him of sexual misconduct and
included Justin Comb's Diddy's son as a defendant. He claimed
that Justin was present at a freak off. In March,
a judge dismissed five of Rod's nine claims against Ditty,
so he still has four open claims. So well, I
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hope Rod gets some kind of compensation. The guy was
talking about how he missed Christmases with his kids and
birthdays with his kids. I don't know they showed they
showed him doing like did he doing press for the
Love tour? The Love album? But he was I believe
he was arrested shortly after that came out, So I
think if there was success, it was very short lived. Yeah.
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They also interview Clayton how who was a former sex worker.
In the docu series. He was a former male escort
and he details his alleged encounters with Diddy and his
then girlfriend Cassie. Clayton Howard claims the duo hired him
to participate in days long drug fueled sex parties. Now.
We talked about this when we did earlier episodes about
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the Freakoffs. It was really interesting to have him talk
about it because he gave a lot of details he confirmed,
like all the baby oil and how much did he
love the baby oil.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
We needed confirmation about the baby saw.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
The picture, I know, but just hearing it from side
confirmed the baby oil.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Yeah. He claims that he went to see them every
two to three weeks. I was involved with this for
a little over eight years, so he was involved in
doing these sexual freak offs for over eight years.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
He was he was just attending or was he They would.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Fly him like wherever. I don't know where he was
based out of.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
I mean he was he was just a guest, right
he was brought in.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
He had sex with Cassie and he said the first time,
the first encounter he had, I believed Shaw Combs came
out with a T shirt wrapped around his head so
he wouldn't recognize.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Him around his own head.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Yeah, because Shawn Combs watched while this sex worker had
sex with Cassie, but he didn't want him to recognize him,
so he had a T shirt wrapped around his head,
which I don't know. I guess he could still see
he have like holes cut in the T shirt. I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
I don't know either.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
I don't know, but I tell you, the more and
more I.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Get, probably a puff Daddy T shirt, also probably with
his face on.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Yeah. Howard claimed that during his first alleged freak off
did he told Cassie to skip a song that was
playing by Tupac. He also alleged that he spent every
March ninth with Cassie.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
And Ditty, Get that crap out of here.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
And then that guy died, the one that created the
playlist foul play disappeared.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
He also alleged that he spent every March ninth with
Cassie and Diddy, which he believes was a way to
commemorate the death of the notorious Big so Big was
murdered on March ninth, so apparently they always had like
a freak off in his honor on March ninthpect I
mean as you should, right, yeah, Ring to Howard, Diddy's
abusive cycle with Cassie became routine at their freak offs.
Every time she got assaulted, she would run out, but
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she would always come back after disappearing for thirty minutes
or forty five minutes. Howard recalls that Cassie would return
like absolutely nothing had happened. Another moment, he describes, they
started arguing and he punched her dead in the chest.
She flew across the room. I said, holy shit. Howard's
most disturbing recollection occurred in Miami during a sexual encounter.
He says he was hired to participate and I was
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having sex with her when Combs gets jealous. According to him,
Combs runs and jumps on top of her and then
started having sex with her. I don't know. It just
sounds like I don't know why this guy wanted well,
and this guy that was involved with for eight years,
oh you should be castrated, y his punishment for eight years.
This guy is involved in this and he sees this.
He must be getting paid some.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
To continue to be in the contract in places get paid.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Yeah, but he's paying those sex workers. I don't think
he misses those payments. Doesn't He doesn't pay his like
other people, like.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
His producers don't cut those corners.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
But he definitely pays his sex workers.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
I have a question, Yes, might be out of place,
but do you think Sting regrets and performing. Holy God,
because Sting I think is squeaky clean, right, Yeah, I mean,
at least in the public eye. You know, he's clean,
So you think he's been at a freak cough.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
I don't know there's a Sting video of staying at
a freak off.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
I don't know either, But I thought the same thing
when they showed that footage of that MTV award or
wherever it was where he performed that, and they show
Sting standing there on the stage singing, and then you know,
Diddy's jumping around in his white outphit and he's doing
all those crazy dance moves. I thought the same thing.
I thought. I wonder if Sting watches that now and thinks, man,
I should have turned that one down. Yeah, Howard, this
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is the sex worker claim. His claims match up with
Cassie's testimonies of these freak offs. An NBC News article
reported from the Ditty trials said much of what Cassie
testified to was graphic, from the sex acts with male
escorts to the violence, including the fights with combs that
left her covered in is. I don't know. It was
sad to hear about that again. But again, you know,
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he also he didn't this sex worker I don't believe
testified in the trial at all, which I feel like
maybe he should have. It seemed like he had some
very in depth knowledge, he was there.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
For years of knowledge.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
I'm not sure why he wasn't subpoena. But again, you know,
it goes back to where he talks about how all
these horrible things would happen to Cassie, but then she
would continue to come back and acted like nothing happened.
And again, I do believe that's why he was not
convicted of those higher charges because the jury it was
hard for them.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
The story that they were told or the story that
they believed was she was a well.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
It's hard to establish that she was coerced when she
comes back.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yeah, but that that's she kept coming back because she
was coerced.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
I know, I get it, but I think there were
times where she could have well, I don't know the
time she tried to leave the hotel.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
I'm a big believer that people can be trapped and
it's not easy to just get up and leave.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Saying from a jury standpoint, it was hard to establish
Rico and the other sexual charges because of the coercion,
and then I think a lot of the jurors felt
like it was a two way street, like she kept returning.
So the jurors that were interviewed in this docuseries, they
interviewed two of the jurors from the Ditty trial. In
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the docuseries, two jurors talked about the trial and verdict,
with Juror seventy five saying he believes one hundred percent
that justice was served. When discussing Ditty and Cassie's relationship,
he called them overly in love and was confused by
how quickly the couple seemed to reconcile. The very next day,
They're getting back together and exchanging text messages like nothing
ever happened. So that was, you know what I was saying.
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When asked by a producer if Combs was a violent person,
Juror one sixty replied, based on that intercontinental video, he
can be unforgivable. Honestly, you can't beat that small girl
like that the way he did, but domestic violence wasn't
one of the charges. Juror one sixty identified her self
as someone from that generation who basically grew up listening
(46:03):
to the music that he was involved, and you could
tell she was a fan. I think they put I
think they pulled those two jurors and they interviewed them
for the docu series. Because the one man had no
idea who Sean Combs was. You could tell he was
he wasn't. He didn't listen to music in that genre.
He had no idea who he was. You know. He
said that he could like he had trouble convicting him
(46:24):
of the higher charges because he felt like they just
reconciled quickly, and she always came back and he made sense,
like I felt like he was explained. He explained himself. Well,
then the other juror, she was a super fan. There
was no doubt about that. She had listened to the music.
She knew all the band. She was like, I knew
this band and this band and all these bands that
he created. So after the documentary aired, there was a
(46:46):
photo of a woman with Diddy from years ago that
went viral, with many people mistakingly identifying her as Juror
one sixty and accusing the juror of lying about not
being a fan. But now a woman named Winter Mitchell
Roorb has spoken out and said that she is actually
the woman in the photo with Ditty and not the
juror in question. She wrote on X I am not
(47:08):
the juror. Wow, so we know that she wasn't the
woman in the photo. However, I do stand.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
By her being a superfan, her being a superfan.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
I think that she was a superfan. I think that
she was obsessed with Ditty. I think that she was
a super fan from when she was young. She loved
the music, all the band, she watched it all. And
I don't know if you get an impartial juror jury
when you have someone on.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
The jury like that, so unlikely.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Then, lastly, let's just talk about Capricorn Clark. That she
was Ditty's assistant for many many years, former assistant, and
she also testified in the trial. Capricorn Clark, who started
as Ditty's assistant before becoming the global brand director for
Bad Boy Entertainment, claims that Ditty threatened her with death
on her first day of the job and later kidnapped
(47:52):
her a gunpoint to join him in an effort to
kill rapper Kid Cutty. Now we talked about this in
earlier episodes. If you remember kid Cutty, he was having
an affair I guess with Cassie.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
Is that the one that was that blew up?
Speaker 1 (48:04):
Yeah? And then then so allegedly P Diddy went to
Capricorn's house, grabbed her by a gun, put her in
the car. They drove to Kid Cuddies. Kid Cutty wasn't there.
I guess he said his porche on fire allegedly broke
into his house. And then this jury that I was
talking about that was the superfan said that she didn't
find any of that believable, and I'm thinking, how how
(48:24):
do you? How have you sat in this on this
jury for all these weeks and listened to all this
testimony and saw the video, but then said, you know what,
There's no way that man did that because.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
She was just staring at him the whole time.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
Yeah, Capricorn Clark worked for Ditty in the early stages
of his career and saw him and his brand evolved
in real time. She drew an interesting analogy in the
docu saries to describe him, which speaks on feeding the
two wolves. I actually really liked this. I thought this
was really intelligent when she said this, and it really
spoke to me. Have you ever heard that analogy of
(49:00):
the two wolves it's actually a Native American it comes
from Native American mythology or something, but it's an The
story goes an elder tells his grandson about two wolves
fighting inside him, one representing goodness, which is love, empathy, courage, joy,
et cetera, and the other wolf representing evil, which is anger, greed, fear, jealousy.
(49:22):
The grandson asks which wolf wins at the fight, and
the elder replies, the one you feed. I thought that
was really interesting, and so she makes that analogy because
she says that she feels like when she was his
assistant and the people that were around him at that time,
they knew that there were the two wolves struggling, but
she says that she felt like they did. They were
(49:43):
trying to feed the good wolf, and that's why that's
when he was progressing. And that's when I guess, I
don't know, but I think she feels like they were
working towards feeding the good wolf to keep him on
the straight and narrow. But then once she was gone
and other people were involved in his life and he
was surrounding himself with other people, those other people were
the bad wolf, and that's when you just got an
I like that analogy feeding. Oh my gosh, well, I
(50:07):
really thought about that when I read this, because I
really love this analogy, and I.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
Thought, I gotta come, are you feeding well?
Speaker 1 (50:13):
I feed both at times. I think we all do, right,
But the point okay, because you're perfect, But I think
the point is you said it is to focus on
feeding the good wolf. Right. It's to not give in
to fear and insecurity and ask.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
What peaceful warriors? The battles I fight are the ones
on the inside on the outside.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
Right, Yes, I like my wolf analogy, you like peaceful warrior.
But I think my takeaway from that was to wake
up every day and feed the good wolf. So we
will end that. We will end that episode on feeding
the good wolf. That's our advice to all of our
listeners out there is to wake up every day, look
in the mirror, and feed the good wolf. Because nobody
wants to be like p.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
Diddy, So don't be a diddy, don't be a ditty.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
All right, Thank you guys so much for listening. We
appreciate it. And again we're on our own feed called
legally Brunette, so please make sure that you follow us
there and you can leave a review Also, I love
your feedback, so if you want to DM me about
the episodes or any cases that you think are interesting,
I love to read what you guys suggest and also
your feedback on our podcast. So thank you so much
(51:18):
for listening. We really appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
Thank you,
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