Talking A Big Game: Kim & Penn Holderness (Amazing Race)

Tamra and Dan interview the winners of Amazing Race Season 33... Kim & Penn Holderness!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, everybody. I'm Tamara Judge and I'm Danesling, and you're
listening to talking a big game.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome back to talking a big game with myself and
danes Dan.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
I feel like it's been a long time since we've talked.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
It has been a long time, and I'm going right
to the chase. Tamar, you have to understand me from
the Midwest. I pull up Instagram stories. You're like, I'm
going getting surgery. I pull it up. You have green face,
your head's wrapped. Can you explain that? I got no idea?
What what?

Speaker 4 (00:32):
What is?

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Oh my god? So now I'm two and a half
weeks out and I went in and had a little
bit of a brow lift, which kind of brings my
brows up a little bit.

Speaker 5 (00:43):
Because what is butt'? What does that mean? Where does
it cut? What's being pulled? I need to know. I
need I.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Literally had staples in the top of my head, in
my hairline and then in my temple. So they kind
of just go in there a laparoscopic I think it's
called or indoscopic, I don't even know, and they go
and they pull the muscles out, which raises your eyebrows,
which you know what I could see better.

Speaker 5 (01:03):
Dan really, yeah, look, I mean you look amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yes, But when I did that, he suggested I also
do a chemical pill and a CO two laser, which
really takes you down to the meat.

Speaker 5 (01:14):
It felt like you were green though.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
I was like, so it's actually starts out blue.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
It's a Bajie blue peel and it it They used
the dye to see how deep they're going into your skin.
It's actually to protect you I from not going in
like them going in too deep. And that's where all
the swelling really came from, and the uncomfortableness and the peeling.
And I'm still my skin, if you could see, is
still a little pink and it's going to take probably

(01:42):
a good month and it and it actually my skin
is it's like my makeup artist came over last night
because I was on went to Dancing with the Stars
to see our girl Faeda, and she's like, oh my god,
your skin is like butter.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
It like took ten years off of.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
You and well you look amazing, but ten days ago
I'm like, do I need to.

Speaker 5 (01:59):
Go out and see gonna die? Like?

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Is this goodbye? I know it was brutal, but it
was definitely worth.

Speaker 5 (02:06):
It on a pain scale zero to ten, ten being
the absolute worst.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
The very first day I was having, the very first night,
I was having some issues because I do have like
a lot of fluid in my sinus areas that just
I can't get rid of, and so I always have
a lot of sinus pressure. But on top of the lift,
the brow lift, the swelling just put me into like
migrain mode, and no matter what how many pain pills

(02:32):
I took, it wouldn't go away. So I finally added,
I talked to my doctor and I'm like, I think
it's my sinus.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
He's like, I don't understand this pain.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
So I literally took a sinus medication cleared my sinuses
out and it helped.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
He goes.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
That makes sense, he goes, Because your head was in
a certain position the entire time for four hours. When
I pulled you up, all this fluid came out of
your nose.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Well you look, you look amazing, Like I cannot like,
I can't believe in such a short time, like you
always looked amazing, but you look amazing now real quick.

Speaker 5 (03:03):
Yeah, you just went on. You were just at Dancing
with the Stars.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
I watch Phaedra performed what was that like to be
up close to personal with another like reality TV competition
showing up?

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Okay, so Dan, I've always people have always go you
need to go and dance to the stars. I'm like, no,
that's my biggest nightmare, Like I would be so scared,
so nervous, so out of my box. And the minute
I walked in there the energy, the music that so
many people like. It is such a big production. I'm like,
oh my god, I want to do Dancing with the

(03:34):
Stars now. But I mean I was there for Phaedra
I was, and also your best friend Bananas was there
at the same.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Hello for me, Oh no identity. I still don't think
he's a big fan of yours.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
And then.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Max was there. He was you know, he was on
the other side.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
He didn't sit with us, and and some of Phaser's friends.
We also had MJ that was Thereda from New York Housewives.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
And Parverdy I think was supposed to be there. But
if you did, you see Parvada got it in a
new show.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Oh uh Australia right surviv Yeah. Yeah, I'm excited for her,
But you were the one they got the camera time.
I'm like, hey, I saw.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
I didn't know if it were all of it, but
I was sitting up front, which was fun but also
annoying because they had the confetti bomb.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
It was sitting beach right between my legs basically, and
they're like, just want to let you know.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
It's a huge noise, and the first time it went off,
none of us were prepared and we're like, we thought
it was a gunshot, and so that four other times
we had to you know, endure this loud sound.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
But it was really really cool. It's so much fun.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Then we went out to dinner afterwards, to Boa, and
I was just so over the top happy for Phaedrish.
The girl is on fire. She's done so much from
you know, Ultimate Girls Trip. I did that with her
then then Traders then and then married to Medicine and
then she's back on Atlanta Dancing with the Stars.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
It's like non stop for her.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
It was fun to see her come out and like
the Dazzle but like seeds Fader in completely different light
than what I was used to, but it was awesome
to route her on.

Speaker 5 (05:13):
But speaking of.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Different lights and different competition shows, we have a very
special duo we're bringing in today, Cam.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Okay, so Penn and Kim holding this interview today. Now,
let me just tell you I was talking with Amazing
Race two years ago. Me and Teddy were thinking about
doing it, and I literally googled them because I heard
that they had won the year prior, and god, I
just went down a rabbit hole on their Instagram.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
It is insanity.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Now, Penn and Kim have been married eighteen years and
for the past decade they have been online content creators.
When I say creators, like this is like professional shit here,
like this isn't just like, oh it is, I mean,
it isn't per They are known for their award winning
videos of a sketch, comedy, and music. They have two

(06:08):
billion views and over eight million followers across their social
media platform. Penning Kim are best selling authors, authors, award
winning podcast hosts, and were winners of season thirty three
of Amazing Race. They live in Raleigh, North Carolina, with
their children, Lola and Penn, and their dogs Sonny. They
have a website about their family and they have a

(06:31):
new book, adhd Is Awesome. It's available now. We're going
to get into it with them. But their Amazing Race
story on March second, twenty twenty two, they won the
thirty third season of Amazing Race. Due to the COVID pandemic,
they shot the season in two chunks.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
They had to.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Stop because of COVID and then go back in February.
From February and then to September and redo it, so
it was it was crazy. They traveled to England, Scotland, Switzerland, France, Greece,
and Portugal, which sounds pretty freaking amazing to me.

Speaker 5 (07:04):
I'm like one heck of a race.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
I'm really excited to talk to them and really see
I mean to have a game chopped up into two
parts and how they attacked that.

Speaker 5 (07:12):
But nonetheless, it.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Takes away the momentum.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
I would think, I mean it, it would be hard
to do that, but they they did it.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
They didn't really have a choice.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
So let's just get into it because I'm super excited
because I literally, like I.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Said, went down a rabbit hole with them. So bring
on Pen and Kim. Hello, Oh my god, I am Tamra.
I don't know if you know who the hell I am.

Speaker 5 (07:33):
Dan. Nice to meet you, guys.

Speaker 6 (07:34):
Hey, nice to meet you.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Just want to let you know I was in talks
to do amazing race. So I this was two years ago,
didn't happen, but whatever, who knows if it will happen.
But I went down a rabbit hole on your guys'
Instagram because you guys had just.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Won, and oh my, your videos are so good, so good?

Speaker 6 (07:58):
Did my mom want you to say this?

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, just so entertaining, so fun, Like, we're so excited
to talk to you today, So let's just get into it.
What originally inspired you both to get into content creation?

Speaker 7 (08:12):
You know, I think it was a very pure way.
It happened by accident. We both came from the world
of television news and we're kind of working that life.
I had quit the news and started a company like
video production. I felt like I could just like go
out and make videos for people. Penn was still working
as a news anchor, but I convinced him he never

(08:33):
saw the kids, and like, you should like quit your
job and we would we start a company so we'd
be making videos for other people, like behind the scenes. Yeah,
and then to sort of announce that to our friends
and family in our community. We put I was like,
we should do a video to announce you're quitting your
job on the news and then maybe like my mom
would share it, and you know, my aunt would see it,
and then maybe somebody would hire us locally just to

(08:55):
make their videos behind the scenes. And we put that
out and it was called Christmas Jammies. And at the
end we put it, we put our website address up there,
which is now not our website address anymore. But it
went that video ten years ago.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Now, that was the twenty thirteen video that blew up.

Speaker 7 (09:12):
And blew it wu and viral. Yeah, and it was
great for our business. I'll let you talk here eventually, honey.
But we had no intention of ever being like on camera.
It was all behind it. And it took us several
years after that before we started making videos with our
faces on it consistently because we just get really slow

(09:33):
to learn that whole thing.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
But get to get this correct.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Prior to that, you were in front of the camera
right right in your prior jobs, right, so you love
you were.

Speaker 7 (09:42):
Yeah, we're fine at it, but really loved the behind
the scenes part.

Speaker 6 (09:47):
I still like that part better. I do too.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
I like that part.

Speaker 6 (09:49):
I like a lot.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
So when when you dropped this video and you're like, okay,
I'm trying to promote our new business.

Speaker 5 (09:54):
You obviously had to get new business from that.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
What can you talk about the response that happened from
the viral video that was not intended to be viral.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
Yeah, so we got we got thirteen thousands something thousand. Jeez,
we got a lot of emails. I would say that
of the ten thousand, like nine thousand of them were
perverts who like were really interested in my wife who
was in pajamas.

Speaker 6 (10:20):
That's fine, that's fine.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
That was a lot of that, a lot of a
lot of that. And then maybe a thousand of them
were which is a great number, where like, hey, my
business is interested in this, Like we're interested in using
you for this. And then maybe like a hundred of
them were like viable options that were in our area
and that we could actually go after. And then maybe

(10:42):
those hundred, maybe twenty of them came to fruition. So
we kind of had kickstarted accidentally a production company with
this video. Yeah, and that was our That was kind
of how we did it for a while, and then
sort of discovered slowly slower than some that that we
could still make fun videos on a regular basis on

(11:03):
YouTube and Facebook and that could be its own economy.
Where you know, if you get a certain number of subscribers,
then brands come to you for deals and monetize it.
And that that came a little bit later. So we
kind of spun off our production company and we still
consult in it, but that's we're not really a day
to day part of that and went full time into

(11:23):
just making our own content.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
I think it's important to paint the landscape in the
context of twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen.

Speaker 5 (11:30):
It's not like it is now where everyone does that.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
When you guys we were making those videos, what was
because it sounds like him you were you were hesitant
to like put yourself out. There was the hesitation just
because it was still kind of like weird at the time.

Speaker 7 (11:43):
Well, we didn't know you could make money on it.
So we put out Christmas Jammis. I think in the
first few days it had something like ten million views,
and we got an email and said, you have to
turn monetization on on YouTube. We didn't know how to
turn monetization on.

Speaker 6 (11:55):
That's funny, yeah, and so we.

Speaker 7 (11:58):
Like went into the back end. Figured we didn't realize
that you could make money off of it, and to
be clear. When we started doing videos with our faces
on it, it was only to boost profile so that
we would get hired by companies to do their production.
So we still took us a long We just it
took us a long time to figure out there were

(12:18):
YouTubers at the time. We just weren't aware of them.
We didn't hang out on YouTube. Yeah, so it wasn't
but now everybody can, you know, have a TikTok, which
is great. I think the democracy of it is great,
but it was very We didn't know how. We weren't
that smart.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, so you do this to this day, do you
still do it yourself? You do the editing, you do
everything yourself.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
You have some help production team.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
Now, yeah, there are parts of it that we still do.
It's you know, we were very lucky to have a
team we have. We have an editor who also helped shoot,
who also helps with graphics sometimes sometimes we edit. Though
we also have like a kind of a creative I
don't want to say it created director, but we have
a woman who handles a ton of our brand deals marketing,

(13:04):
helps us with the idea creation, and she's also in
some of our videos. So it's a very small kind
of tight knit team of people who live here in
North Carolina. And that's like, we don't scale up too
much because anytime we try to do that, you sort
of lose track of what I think people are looking for,
which is a fairly authentic look at what's going on,
but in a humorous take on our lives.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
And that's because you're in the landscape I'm in. I'm
in like YouTube and Twitch and everything like that. So
when you guys went fully into this and you talk
about like having an idea generator, like how do you
stay on the trends and so like your next video,
how do you know what that's going to be? And
like are you fairly confident, hey this is gonna hit
or you roll the dice every time?

Speaker 4 (13:44):
Now, we don't mean there's some things that we know
traditionally do better, but you never know until you press post.
I think it's interesting, like our audience is generally like
moms and some dads, you know, maybe in from their
mid twenty until maybe their fifties. It's kind of like
that's kind of our target. A lot of professionals, some

(14:04):
of these people don't even like care about what's trending,
what they seem to care about. Is that the ish
that's going on in our family seems to remind them
of the ish that's going on in their family.

Speaker 7 (14:15):
Yeah, So it's easier for us because I don't think
the people who watch our videos expect us to know
trends like you are, you know, you're super young and
trendy like it would be. I think if we posted
something with super trendy, they wouldn't know what it was.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
So I can't keep up on these trends.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
I'm older than all of you, I'm pretty sure, and
I just I'm like, I don't even know this language
young the younger generation.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
I'm like, what does that mean?

Speaker 7 (14:40):
But that's related, And we've done that because we have
teenagers and so we've done videos about that, like trying
to speak. So it's I think that one thing we've
been very good at is we sort of look at
our lives and look at the world around us. And
my favorite part of this job is there's this lens
you can put on and say, like, is that funny?
So there's like something that happens, you know, in our

(15:03):
lives it seems really mundane, and we can kind of
try it on and say like, would it be funny
if we talked about it like this or is this
a funny song? Because he's a great musician, he could
write original music like I've heard. Yeah, I went on
a like a twenty four hour trip. We went to
New York just for a day, and I packed like
twelve pair of underwear and he's like, how many times
are you going to crack your pants? I'm like, I

(15:23):
don't know if I just feel like I need a
lot of underwear time. Yeah, it's like twelve pair of underwear. Yeah,
and so you just don't know what you want to
be prepared, be prepared and so what I know. So
he's like, so he wrote a song about it, you know,
and it was like this, So that's that's sort of
how the ideas go in our house, like going out
like the really mundane thing.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
I like, like the just the raw humor in it,
I mean, and we can go safe to say you
don't go commando ever.

Speaker 7 (15:49):
No, I like to have options. I have had color options.
What if I start my period, like I need.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Like some heft, yeah, I need often never know.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Now, you guys just wrote a book as well. ADHD
is awesome and it's available now right, Yes, can you
tell us a little bit about that and what inspired you?

Speaker 4 (16:16):
Yeah, thanks for mentioning it. I have ADHD. You can
figure that out after talking to me for a few seconds.
Usually in case, it's a part of who I am.
And it was a source of confusion and shame when
I was growing up, and I found great support and
I found a job that kind of helped u It helped.

(16:39):
It actually was ADHD friendly. I found a wipe who
is ADHD friendly and yeah, smoking hot and in a
lot of ways, ADHD has been a superpower and a
real asset for me, including when we were on The
Amazing Race, Like it actually really helped me and we
talked about it some on the show. And you know,
when we told that story on The Amazing Race, we
got a lot of comments like, oh man, thank you

(17:01):
for saying something. Everyone like makes it feel It makes
me feel like this is such a bummer. Doctors, sometimes
teachers even you know, and parents who don't understand it.
They talk about it like there's something wrong with you.
And so we wanted to get the message out that yeah,
it does suck sometimes, but there's nothing wrong with you.
You have a unique brain it's not really built for

(17:22):
the world that we live in. But if you put
some systems in place and do a little bit of work,
there's a ton of creativity and spontaneity and the hyper focus,
all kinds of great things that come with ADHD.

Speaker 5 (17:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
I grew up with a brother with ADHD and I
want to kick his ass every single day.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (17:38):
Yeah, So in the book you talk a lot.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
In the book, you talk about some tools and then
things that it can help and help people navigate that.
Is there anything you can share with someone listening right now?
I'd be like, I'm definitely gonna buy the book, but
give me like one tip.

Speaker 4 (17:53):
Yeah, I mean, I set a timer every time I
turn a stove on because the way that my brain
works all I'm sure you know this about your brother,
like height, just walk away and leave the stove on,
leave the door wide open. So I have all these
kind of reminders in place. iPhone is great for that, Hey, series,
set and reminder for you know, ten minutes while the
stove's on. I let's see, I.

Speaker 6 (18:14):
See it's a magnet on top of this car.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
Yeah, I have a magnet on top of my car
that doesn't hold anything, but It reminds me not to
put my coffee mug on it, because I've driven away
and broken several coffee mugs. I have a reminder on
my hamper, a little sticker that reminds me to take
my keys and wilet out because I've washed them several times.
I have a reminder in the bathroom to put the
toilet seat down, or I did, and now I just do, like,

(18:38):
listen to this, I just piece sitting down all the time, now,
Dan like, there's no there's no harm to that.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
No, there's no no harm.

Speaker 6 (18:45):
Relaxed.

Speaker 5 (18:47):
It makes it easier to get on your phone.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yeah, exactly, I'm not gonna lie. My husband doesn't there.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
Yeah, I mean you never know what's gonna happen while
you're down there.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
I think he was taught to do that.

Speaker 6 (18:56):
Yeah really Yeah, who wanted him to like be really clean?

Speaker 4 (19:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Yeah, I think I think I might have a little
touch of it. My daughter tells me all the time,
you have ADHD. I have flooded our kitchen twice because
I turn think on and then I get busy. Sometimes
I go outside and water a lawn and then I
come in and the sinkers that were flowing in the
kitchen led it. Oh yeah, oh yeah, I do this.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
I walk in two rooms and forget what I'm doing.
But it just might just be old age though.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
Well, there are ADHD symptoms in perimenopause. That's one of
the things we discovered.

Speaker 7 (19:27):
But I also will say that most of the we
work in this like wonderful world with a lot of
creative people, most of the most creative, wonderful people we know.
And I'm looking at the screen here and you guys
are creative and wonderful. There's a touch, it's a spectrum,
like there's a little dath ahd in there, and be
proud of it, like that's it's a really it's a
really good brand.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
Yeah, we're good at keeping people entertained, because if we
get bored, if we're not entertaining ourselves. Yeah you know
what I mean, I can get that.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yeah. Well, let's talk about your time on Amazing Race
season thirty three. Jeez, been around a long time.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
You had a very unique experience on the show, filming
it in two separate chunks because of COVID.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Now, me and Dan were on traders. I don't know
if you've seen that.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
I couldn't imagine doing a show and then halfway go okay,
stop and then how long was it before you start.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Started back up again?

Speaker 6 (20:19):
Nineteen months?

Speaker 7 (20:20):
What we had we started out, we had the best
like where were you when the World shut down?

Speaker 6 (20:26):
Story, because we were in Scotland, Scotland. We were in Scotland.

Speaker 7 (20:31):
We had just finished the third leg of the amazing
race we had won, and so we were riding high
and so but we were older, you know, participants, and
so we go back to the hotel room and we
turn on the news and that.

Speaker 6 (20:45):
Cruise ship there's a cruise ship in Italy.

Speaker 7 (20:47):
And this was end of February, beginning of March, so
before the US had even really start talking about Yeah,
and we were aware enough and we looked at each other,
We're like, we're going home. Like if we don't go home,
we're not going to get out of here.

Speaker 6 (20:59):
We got this.

Speaker 7 (21:00):
This is a game show, and this game show experiment
is over. So right away we were in your Something
they don't tell you is that you're sort of even
before COVID, you're sort of quarantined. So you go into
your hotel room and they have a security guard in
the hallway. You can't leave your hotel room because you
don't have a.

Speaker 6 (21:16):
Self like traders.

Speaker 7 (21:17):
Yeahh you have a cell phone, you have you don't
have any way in it to a safety issue, so
you're sort of your quarantine. So we were trying to
get information out and we're trying to ask questions and
there you can tell like people were scrambling. And then yeah,
they sent us home and we landed in the US.
We're like, guys, everybody, it's coming, get paper, towels, get
to and nobody like, nobody here cared for two weeks.

Speaker 6 (21:38):
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Oh and then they cared there was no more toilet
paper to be no more toilet paper.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
Yeah, real quick, Before we get to that, how did
because you guys had a production company running your videos,
how does it go from that? Like, Hey, I'm gonna
walk away for thirty plus days to go shoot this
reality show. So how did that come about for you
guys to get on this show and then make that
decision say, hey, the business is going to run itself gone.

Speaker 4 (22:00):
While we're going. We had to do it twice, which
was even tougher because we had to go back. We
did it once. That was about twenty two days and
we did it again for twenty two days because of
all the onboarding. But the short answer is we were
lucky to have a team of people that we just
mentioned that where we worked really over time to batch
a bunch of content and then you know, we added
some reshares here and there and just hoped like we

(22:23):
definitely didn't want to share our business down for good,
because there's a good chance in these shows, as you know,
that if you don't win, you're walking home with nothing
or close to nothing, and except for the experience, and
so we did, we did try to think ahead. The
biggest challenge for us really wasn't the business. It was
the fact that we had we had kids who we

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had never been away from that long.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
And how old were your kids at that time.

Speaker 4 (22:49):
The first time, they were thirteen and eleven pen or eleven.

Speaker 7 (22:53):
And we're super codependent, so it's like an unhealthy like
I'm super helicopter mom, I'm super clinging.

Speaker 6 (23:00):
So that was that was rough.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
For me, and I'm not sure how it is on
your shows. But because they didn't want people to know
how they were doing, you couldn't call them on the
first trip. We could not speak to our kids for
twenty two days. The second time we went back, a
lot of people said, we're not going back unless we
can talk to our kids. It's a pandemic kind of beenage.

Speaker 7 (23:20):
We got a once a week, five minute phone call
which actually made things was almost Was it supervised?

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yes, yeah, So what's the same thing with us when
we when we did Traders, we got in, they stripped
us of everything. We had three big guys go through
our suitcases, open up our shampoo bottles, do everything. I
accidentally took my car keys because they were in my purse.
They took my car keys, they took my jewelry, they
took everything from us.

Speaker 7 (23:44):
Everything I found that I had my So the first
time I wasn't I knew. I didn't even bring my
cell phone because I was like, I just don't even
want to have it.

Speaker 6 (23:52):
I didn't bring anything with me.

Speaker 7 (23:53):
And it's these three huge guys and they you're treated
a little bit like you're a Crimena present. Yeah, and
there I felt so violated and I and I had
and so amazing race. You have to pack everything, so
I had expertly packed, like.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
My that's what you're I had to watch your videos
because I thought for sure we me and my other
co host, Teddy Mellencamp. I thought for sure we were
gonna get picked to do this. So I was watching
your packing. You know, something happened. I can't remember what
it was. I think probably didn't pass the psych I
don't know.

Speaker 7 (24:25):
No, but honestly, crazier the better, so that I mean,
I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
No, I don't know about that, but I don't know.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
I can't even remember what happened, but I remember going,
I gotta watch because you you did a video about
what to pack.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Yes, yes, and so that's why I started going down
the rabbit hole and watched every one of your videos.

Speaker 7 (24:45):
You're very I'm sorry about that, but anyway, so they
throw your crap everywhere and they're like, okay, you're done,
and I'm like, oh my god, I just spent three
days packing that and you just tore it apart. But
there is there is a person two people in our
cast who brought vibrators and had to explain those and
get those kind of dissected.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
That we did too.

Speaker 6 (25:04):
Yeah, that was very interesting.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
They took them, they took they took them.

Speaker 6 (25:08):
They let them keep them, but they.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Took everything from us.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
Stop it.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, I personally did not bring a vibrator, but one.
I think one girl got it confiscated and one girl
didn't for some reason.

Speaker 6 (25:21):
It's unfair, I know.

Speaker 5 (25:23):
To pivot so to get on the show.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Were you guys, were you guys recruited or did you
make an incredible video with your production team and submitted it.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
Back to the vibrators. I'm all right, someone, you guys
are have done these before. Someone reached out to us
and asked us to make a tape.

Speaker 7 (25:43):
But we still had to go through the things we
need to make a We had to make a video
we had to do before that. I think now it's
all on zoom, but we had to fly to La.

Speaker 6 (25:50):
Twice, all on zoom. Now that would be I think
they do it all on zoom.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Now they do everything on zoom.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Now, Yeah, did you guys, Were you guys separated when
you got there or do you got to stay.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
In the same hotel?

Speaker 6 (26:00):
We were never separated, never, So, okay, were you guys separated?

Speaker 4 (26:03):
Everybody?

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Well, we had a couple Larsa.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Pippen and Marcus Jordan were on Traders and they were separated.
They had to be in different hotel rooms. Michael no, no, no,
this is for traders for traders.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Okay, yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
Yeah, this is the Michael Jordan's kid and Scotti Pippin's
ex wife. Did I get that right? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 6 (26:23):
Yeah. Oh my gosh, what a tangled web.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
So when you guys got the essentially the recruiting outreach,
like hey, we want to have you on the show,
but you still got to go through the process. Was
it immediately like yes, we're going to do this or
was there some how did you convince your each other
to do it?

Speaker 4 (26:45):
Our daughter had talked us into it the first time,
like we were like, how this might be kind of fun,
like we you know Kim more than I. But Kim
grew up like loving The Amazing Race and watching it.
She was like a super fan, and I became one,
you know, I guess after the fact. But our daughter
like she I remember We're sitting at dinner, She's like,
what are you going to remember some random month in

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February or the time that you tried to go on
the Amazing Race.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
So true, and to have that support is so good
from your kids because as a mom or dad leaving
your kids for.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
That long, you're like parent how can I do this
but to have your kids go do it?

Speaker 6 (27:20):
Mom?

Speaker 4 (27:22):
They were realized.

Speaker 6 (27:23):
She probably didn't realize.

Speaker 7 (27:24):
But I have to say I think my hesitation was
many like a leaving my kids because I'm so codependent
that I feel like I'm only one who could take
care of them. But I'm also very competitive and I
don't like to lose. And I and I just felt
like if we got there and the shows you were on,

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like you can't really help, Like it's there's more like
strategy whatever.

Speaker 6 (27:48):
Amazing race.

Speaker 7 (27:49):
The thing I love about it, like I couldn't have
done the shows you guys were on, but like the
thing I love about it is it is sort of
up to us, right, like in control. We're in control,
grew up. It's our fault, not somebody like, you know,
backstabbing us and kicking us off. So I was scared
to look like an idiot, and several times I did,
by the way, but on TV was my big red flag.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
I'd also say like we were very fortunate in our
race that we were able to have more control than
usual because of COVID. At least when we got back
there was a ton of self driving. It was almost
entirely self driving, so you weren't going to get you know,
a bad cab or you know, you weren't going to
miss a flight because we all had to fly in
the same jet because we were in a bubble. We

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were basically doing this entire thing in a bubble. There's
never been another reality show like this, or there never
was before where we were all. It was nice. They
put us on a private jet.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
That's nice. Yeah, yeah, that's really nice.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
What scared me about it was like, you had to drive,
but yet you don't have ways, and you're in foreign
countries and you're in it. You have a stick shift, right, yeah,
And I'm like, oh my god, this.

Speaker 6 (29:00):
Yeah, read a map, everybody.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
I can't read a map, you kid, No, I don't
think I can. My husband could, but if I went
with him, he could. But I'm like, it was gonna
be me and Teddy, two girls like you know that
barely got through high school.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
We're like, we're gonna we're gonna read a map.

Speaker 7 (29:16):
I feel like it's not that they didn't choose you,
it's just they're waiting on a different season for you
because they have to put you on.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Well, we'll see, we'll see it's actually carved out of
my Bravo contract that I is.

Speaker 7 (29:29):
Yeah, okay, I have phone calls to make because you
would be such good TV.

Speaker 6 (29:34):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah, I would like to do it with my husband.
I would feel more safe. It's hard for me to
be away from my family for that long. And my
daughter's now almost nineteen, so it'd be easier because she
can drive and she can get around. She still lives
with us. But you know, but to be I couldn't.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
It was just hard.

Speaker 5 (29:52):
It's hard.

Speaker 6 (29:53):
It was really good.

Speaker 7 (29:54):
We had We had a fun It was fun fun
now like he was talking me off the ledge alot
because I but like we had a great time, like
as married people on that rate.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
Yeah. So the best part about it is, and this
may not sound like the best thing, but they take
your cell phone away, they take your computers away. You
have no access to internet. You can watch TV, but
it's all in German, so you don't understand the country
is It's like, it's actually kind of fun watching and
thinking what the hell do you think they're talking about?
But really it's just you and your partner, whether that's

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your friend or your wife, or your sibling or whatever
it is, and you're getting this uninterrupted kind of quality,
one on one time that we don't get anymore in
the world because we're busy staring at our phones. So
it was it's the closest, even though there were cameras
in our face most of the time. It's the closest
that felt to her. Maybe.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
Ever, how much downtime did you have?

Speaker 4 (30:46):
Lots, especially after COVID because we had to test in quarantine,
you know, you think about it. We spent a total
of forty days on a show that had ten eleven episodes.

Speaker 7 (30:56):
Right, so there we would have just they don't do
this anymore. But the rhythm of ours was and they
never told us when we were racing, but you could
kind of do the math of it.

Speaker 6 (31:05):
We'd a land in a country, test.

Speaker 7 (31:07):
Test, quarantine for a day, test again, and then race,
so it was like there was sort of a rhythm
to it. But I don't know, but before pre COVID,
our legs we did three back to back, like we
did a night, a morning, like took a train through
the day and the night, like we didn't stop.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
Yeah, it was pretty fast, and they didn't like.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Can they just like wake you up excuse me. They
can just wake you up in the middle of the
night to do like a challenge too, right, Yes, did
they do that too?

Speaker 6 (31:34):
They could, But this is a show.

Speaker 7 (31:37):
It's first of all the crew to talk about behind
the scenes, like I want to be on the crew
of this show. They worship their crew. They treat their
crew so well that they wouldn't. I don't know that
they would do that to the crew, like the crew,
you know what I mean, Like you would get a
hint of it, because the crew would need thirty six
hours beforehand or something like that.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Right, right, I would imagine that they have a lot
of crews though, right.

Speaker 4 (31:58):
Well, honestly, a lot of the people have been there
for years and years and it's kind of this gold
standard to be a photographer or an audio operator or
a member of the crew on the Amazing Race because
it is it's a great workout. I think that they
end up like getting tons of they're working harder than
we are. If you see us running with a backpack
and you're like, whoa, these guys are running with a backpack,
there's a guy. If you see us, it means there's

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a guy running backward with an even heavier device.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Okay, so one of the guys, Pablo, that worked on
our show for years, worked on Amazing Race. Yeah, and
he was very fit, and I remember he was stopping
Orange County and he's like, I got to start training.
I got to start running because I have to I'm
going off to Amazing Race.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
I'm like, oh my god. He's like, it's brutal. He's
all we have to literally run with the cameras it is.

Speaker 6 (32:43):
It was. I was fascinated.

Speaker 7 (32:45):
I mean I would be in the middle of the
challenges and I'd be looking at the crew and asking
their crew questions because I'm so fascinated by it. They
and it's interesting because they have It's like it's first on,
first off. So if you have if you have seniority,
you into the last day. But as as the contestants
are eliminated, they have to also send crew home. Oh

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really Yeah, so you have to get you have to
be with the show for years to stay deep into
the season.

Speaker 4 (33:11):
You just don't need as any of them as it
goes on. Yeah, but it was like interesting at the
end of our episode, I think because of all we
had to go through and all the crew had to
go through. They agreed and they showed for the first
time ever in the show and it hasn't happened again.
They did like a quick pan of the entire crew
when we were at the finish line, and it was
obviously wasn't the whole crew, it was who was left. Yeah,
but that was like, to me, that was like one

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of my favorite parts of the show because I love
all of those people so much. They were incredibly respectful
and to your point, very fit. And I think if
they it would be great if they did a season
of The Amazing Race where they let the crew.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Well, oh my god, I just got chills. That would
be amazing.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
So I'm fascinated because you guys started the first three
legs end very well. Yes, breaks are put on the show.
You go to COVID, what's going on in that downtime strategy?
And then how do you ramp back up? Because like, hey,
you're in a great position. Now what and that's a
lot of time to think assess who you're up against.
You researched the other people you're up against. What did

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you guys do during that downtime?

Speaker 7 (34:14):
Such a good question. We that is the busiest we
were ever. We were ever for our sort of like
content creation business, like we made a new video every
single day just around like life during COVID, and we
thought that being on the Amazing Race for three episodes
would be a fun story we would tell at cocktail parties.

(34:36):
We never thought they would get back. Put it out
of our mind, like, never thought they'd get back. And yeah,
and so I think, so we left. It was this time.
Oh my gosh, it was like this day three years
ago we left. It's like September whatever it did. It
was like mid September we left to go back. But
then I think in August, so a month beforehand. They

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called us and they were like, this is our plan.
And I immediately said no, because I have kids. It's
a pandemic. I don't want to leave my kids during
a pandemic.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
They're like, you signed a contract and no, no.

Speaker 4 (35:09):
We didn't have to go back.

Speaker 6 (35:10):
We didn't have to go back.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
We didn't.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
It was special circumstances. And in fact, quite a few
people did not come back.

Speaker 6 (35:16):
And they but they said that.

Speaker 7 (35:19):
So they basically then laid out their plan like you're
going to be you're going to travel exclusively, you're going
to drive yourself.

Speaker 6 (35:25):
They landed out. It seemed super safe. Again.

Speaker 7 (35:27):
Our kids are like, get the hell out of here,
and we had a month to get in. We're in shape,
we work out, but we had a month like I
put on a backpack and started running for the first time,
and it was and I knew it was scarier going
back the second time because I knew who I was
up against and they're all bad asses. They had asked
us to not be in touch with each other. We

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had a lot of time in Scotland when we together,
when we all thought the show was going to be
canceled forever, so we all traded phone numbers and they said, okay,
don't follow each other, don't make it public, whatever.

Speaker 6 (36:01):
I have to say.

Speaker 7 (36:02):
Most I talked to Lulu and Laala occasionally, or the
Twins radio DJs and Raquel and Kayla, and they were
the second place team occasionally, but not enough for them
to like we were passing notes back and forth when
like the kind of intro week they bring back like
we were kind of passing notes back and forth but

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really wasn't as much strategy as there probably should have
been on our side.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
Well, they it was the weirdest I don't know why
they Maybe I know why. Maybe it was just because
of a fairness thing. There were no U turns our season,
zero U turns, and I think it probably was because
of the extenuating circumstances, Like it was a it was
a unique one of one season of the Amazing Race
where they just they just did what they could to

(36:50):
get going again. And one of the things that Kim
didn't tell you was the reason we did ultimately decide
was CBS came back with their like chief Health Office,
got on the phone with us, and you could tell
he'd talk to quite a few people and Sid they
put out this plan for how to get us safely
through Europe and through low transmission countries, and we looked

(37:11):
at each other and we're like, this is safer than
being in our community, right, It really was was we
could be And so that was like one of the
big reasons, unbelievable pioneering effort by CBS to make this happen.
But I think, you know, there were a lot of
new different challenges, a lot of self driving, but in
the end, it wasn't Caddy. There wasn't a lot of

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cattiness in this one.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
I have a little confusion.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
So the first twenty two days that you went and
you filmed, did they use that or did they start
you all?

Speaker 6 (37:39):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (37:39):
So they did, so it was just a continuation.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
I wasn't sure if they scrapped that because you said
certain people didn't come back.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Yes, how did they roll that into the show?

Speaker 4 (37:47):
Well, so, first of all, I know, it sounds like
a lot for twenty two days. The reason why is
we were stuck in Scotland for several days trying to
get out of there and trying to figure out how
to suspend the race. And then there's like launch week,
which is seven days before you even do anything. That's
why it took so long there. But yeah, they I
mean they told this. They told the story entirely. They
like when we finally figured out we were going to

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have to go home, they called us all back in
when we finally got flight, And it was like four
days after we had finished racing, and Phil came out
and they filmed it to make it look like we
had just gotten done with this leg four days ago,
and and Phil's like, guys, I'm sorry to tell you
there's a global pandemic, and we're all like, of course,
we've known this for four days, but yeah, what really,

(38:29):
I know he's the first.

Speaker 6 (38:31):
This disappointing.

Speaker 7 (38:32):
Meanwhile, everybody's sort of hung over because they give you money,
They take your all money, but then they give you
cash at the beginning of a leg to be like
if you have to buy something. So we all sort
of pulled it and used that, and so we were
like up late. And then has his credit card number memorized.
So when that ran out, we like opened a tap at.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
In Glasgow, it's a random hotel and got it.

Speaker 7 (38:56):
So we're all like looking at you, We're all hungover.
We're like, yeah, wow, this is so devastating.

Speaker 6 (39:01):
Yeah, and then we got on a plane to went home.
But then so then they used that, they told.

Speaker 7 (39:05):
That part of the story as you know, nineteen months
later and you see us come running.

Speaker 5 (39:11):
Yeah, and do they replace the people?

Speaker 6 (39:14):
So they good question, it's a great question. Very Uh.

Speaker 7 (39:19):
Three people were not going to come back. One couple
was pregnant. One couple there was like visa issues, she
had been pregnant.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Nineteen months of staying in your house, you got got knocked.

Speaker 6 (39:30):
Up, getting visited with it.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
And then they broke up.

Speaker 7 (39:33):
Yeah, they broke up, and then Spencer and Anthony like
he had a new job. And then tragically one Isaiah Taylor,
a couple they were there with us for the launch week.
They were they were traveling with us, and then Butther
died of COVID. Oh my god, we were like about
to take off. We're like where Isaiah and Taylor and

(39:53):
then COVID? I know, so four people ended up not
coming back. So they brought back the first two teams
that got eliminated.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Oh that's right, that's right.

Speaker 7 (40:03):
I see them running out. You see them running out.
So you remember that, down two teams. So it was
like it made it was a little bit of a wonky.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
They shrunk the number of episodes.

Speaker 7 (40:13):
Yeah, they they had a shrinkt so, but behind the
scenes we're like, okay, well we're down these three. But
then and then yeah, it was it was they were
really flying by the seat of their pants production wise.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Yeah, well, what would you say the key to winning
amazing races?

Speaker 4 (40:27):
Reading a map?

Speaker 7 (40:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (40:30):
Read, I mean that's not a very sexy you know what,
I'll give you the answer that we like that was
just like we're buddies. I'm gonna tell you that's the
real answer. But honestly, like we did a lot of
we wrote a book about this. We did like marriage counseling,
just because marriage counseling is good. And we learned how
to communicate with each other and how to support each
other and hype each other up when things are going

(40:51):
well and also when they're not going well. And I
think that that was that was probably the most important thing,
especially thinking back about the times that like things didn't
go well and it didn't derail us too much.

Speaker 7 (41:01):
Yeah, we sort of practiced how we were going to
talk to each other when shit was going sideways, like
I don't love hearing. Like if I'm struggling with something,
I don't love hearing you got this.

Speaker 4 (41:11):
You got this.

Speaker 7 (41:12):
Because I don't got this, you say that to me,
I'm a throat punch you.

Speaker 6 (41:16):
So we had to practice.

Speaker 7 (41:18):
We kind of practice like what are the words you
can say when I'm really struggling, Like we sort of
had to practice how to talk to each other. But
I would say, bottom line, the things that we screwed
up on was just reading the clue and they will
take this. And so even in like the final leg,
I was like I was like the adrenalines going. If
you have the ability and you guys are seasoned pros
at this point to stop, take four extra seconds to

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actually read it.

Speaker 6 (41:42):
Those are the people that win, the people that read you.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Just take your time. You can just force four extra seconds.
Take the time, yam.

Speaker 5 (41:57):
I'm really interested.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
What what did Penne have to say to you to
not get throat punched in those moments that you were struggling?

Speaker 4 (42:03):
Like, what was the key to help you? You're amazing?

Speaker 6 (42:07):
No, he love you. He's like, I love you. I
wouldn't be able to do this either.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
Really hard, like empathize, it's very difficult.

Speaker 7 (42:14):
This looks really hard. I don't know how you're doing this.
You're doing great and so like it's I it's like
I need you to be like I need you to
see me and see that I'm struggling and not make me.

Speaker 6 (42:23):
Feel shitty about it.

Speaker 7 (42:24):
So it's very it's really weird that I am high
have that trait. But I don't like to be told
you got this.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Oh that's like me. I don't like to hear when
you're like upset about and it's like chill out, chill out,
I will knock you out. Knock you out for saying
that you're not alone.

Speaker 6 (42:42):
You're not alone, chill out.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
Yeah, that's what I want to say. That's what I
want to say.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
Was there a moment in the race when you guys
looked at each other and we were like, this is
ours to lose?

Speaker 5 (42:53):
Or did you always feel like an uphill battle?

Speaker 4 (42:56):
Good question. So you never feel fully safe with a
win until you see the finish line, like that's for
sure the truth and they make sure that that's the case.
And they really did that with us. There was a
time when we looked at each other after I think
we won three in a row at one point, and
we looked at each other and thought, Okay, we can
win this, and we're probably like people probably are gunning

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for us now. And there were a lot of parts
where we thought, oh man, this is not going to happen.

Speaker 6 (43:26):
Yeah, because there's luck.

Speaker 7 (43:27):
I think that's the fun part of the amazing race
is that there's luck involved, and so you can just
pick an unlucky thing or to take a wrong turn.
So we felt like we had this skill, it's just
whether we were lucky enough.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
Yeah. We had about the least amount of time to
celebrate of anybody in history, because the final challenge was
literally like the finish line and the final challenge were
in the same place, and we passed the people at
the very.

Speaker 6 (43:52):
End like they were ahead of us.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
Yeah, we came into the final challenge in second place.
We passed them and they said, go that way, and
we went through a tunnel was about forty feet long,
and then a bunch of like gas and fireworks happened
and like these like like the vapor and we go through.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
The sounds horrible.

Speaker 6 (44:10):
I know, it wasn't glass and vapor.

Speaker 4 (44:12):
It was like the long term sorry uh no, but
but and then we had won. That was it. And
so like we were comfortable with our position for exactly
eight seconds, right, is.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Well, we know what your key to your key to
winning the races, but in your everyday lives, how do
you achieve success? And what does that look like to you?
What does success look like to you?

Speaker 4 (44:40):
Success to us is usually for us, honestly, to us,
success is just we keep going. We like I have
a buddy of mine. I was describing my job to
him and he's like, it's kind of like you wake
up every morning unemployed. And I thought about it him, like, oh, crap.
You're right, because whatever idea I did yesterday, it's gone.

(45:01):
It's on its way to Mars. And the only way
this is going to work is when we come up
with our next idea. So we just we keep going.
And we definitely trust in each other's opinions and thoughts
as a team, and we've built a good team around
us to help kind of cultivate that trust. But yeah,

(45:21):
like we just keep going.

Speaker 6 (45:23):
Yeah, no, I do with with especially with AHD.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Do you wake up in the middle of the night
with ideas and go, oh my god, this is an
amazing idea for a video.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
I got to write it down.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Is use your mind just going all the time about
what are we going to film next?

Speaker 4 (45:37):
Yeah, yes, And I don't always say them out loud,
and maybe I should, I don't know. But sometimes I
come up with a great idea and then when I
say it out loud, I realize as I'm saying it
how ridiculous it is.

Speaker 6 (45:49):
Shoad ideas too, But.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
But yeah, my brain's working pretty much most of the time,
and when it does shut down, it is So maybe
you've notice this with you or with your other when
it does shut down, when you can find like a
good TV show or a Crossford puzzle or something. You
are on another planet and you were not to be
like if someone says something to you, like you may
not even hear them. But when when when you have

(46:13):
a chance to just kind of like space out and think.
Sometimes it's in the middle of the night or in
the shower or wherever you are. It's kind of a
great asset of an ADHD brain because it's got all
of this stimulus coming at you, and it's the reason
why you have these random thoughts all the time. And
it's the reason why people with ADHD are great innovators
and great creatives. And some of them work in this

(46:34):
business and the rest of them were people like Thomas
Edison and you know Leoni DaVinci like famously ADHD.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
Speaking of ADHD, I have a couple random content NERD
questions for you. Okay, first one, coming off the Amazing Race, right,
it's a you know, huge show. How much of a
bump or audience increase did you see relative to your
YouTube everything else?

Speaker 6 (46:59):
Very small?

Speaker 7 (46:59):
I think that the CBS Amazing Race audience is not
a high digital audience, so not huge.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
Yeah, what were you surprised by that did you go
in and thinking like, hey, mate, no, you're just like no.

Speaker 7 (47:14):
I think we were very aware of that. I think
it's different when you're on Survivor or on Big Brother,
on the you know, Real Housewife. I think those shows
are followed by a younger population, perhaps, but we knew.
My mother even told us, She's like, this show's not
necessarily going to help you, but it could certainly hurt you,
so be careful what you put out there.

Speaker 4 (47:34):
You know what it was great for like my aunts
and my uncles who I haven't been able to explain
my job to.

Speaker 6 (47:43):
Job.

Speaker 4 (47:43):
We are, Uncle, Yeah, we are in these but then
we do the amazing race and he's like, oh, I see.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Now, Yeah I get it.

Speaker 7 (47:51):
Yeah, I legitimize best in the eyes of our older relatives.

Speaker 6 (47:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (47:54):
My next content nerd question for you, it's a two parter.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Have you guys ever had an idea you guys thought
were like and this idea is okay for a video
and it blew up?

Speaker 5 (48:03):
And also the inverse like, yes, what were those?

Speaker 7 (48:08):
I think the ideas I would say, once a week,
we're putting out a video where like this is the
stupidest thing ever. Let's see how it does. And I'm
pleasantly surprised. What was the Oh the.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
Pillows one did really well, and that one like no
one was the one about the fifteen decoradive pillows.

Speaker 6 (48:26):
Oh yeah, I was excited about that one, I would say.

Speaker 7 (48:28):
And there even you know, remember when that is a
solar eclipse was happening. Oh yeah, that's I was like,
we need to do something about that. It's happening today,
the solar clips. We need to do something. And he goes, hey,
hand me that pan and then that he drove my
son to school that pulled over in a parking lot,
and he sort of he had already had a rendition
of total eclipse with the heart because on the recorder

(48:49):
he had already done that, and he sort of did.

Speaker 5 (48:51):
A real would have that argu Yeah, And so.

Speaker 7 (48:55):
We kind of did a reenactment of what the solar
clips had and we even uploaded so quickly had some
misspelling on it, and it has like a million million,
twenty million views.

Speaker 4 (49:04):
Or something like that. This is incredible. But that is incredible. Dan.
There was this one time I was like, I am
I do the best Doctor Phil impression anyone I've ever
heard ever I'm going to do a doctor Phil thing
about parenting.

Speaker 6 (49:17):
And so he went on a bald wig.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
It got negative views. It's like people returned their computers
when they turned it on.

Speaker 6 (49:24):
It was so bad.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
What would you say is more creative?

Speaker 4 (49:29):
Well, in different ways she is. She's super good at
looking at the world around us and and finding the nugget,
finding the funny nugget. Like it's sort of like the
way a stand up comedian would say, have you ever
noticed blank? She's excellent at that.

Speaker 7 (49:45):
But what I think we compliment each other. Well, like
I noticed we have this I don't know in your house.
So I do a lot of online shopping and there's
a stack outside our back door boxes that just I
don't break down. I don't, but I'm like, maybe I'll
keep them. And so I just have the stack of
pretty good boxes. And so I said, depend, I'm like,
we should do something about but.

Speaker 6 (50:05):
I feel like everybody has a stack of boxes. I don't.

Speaker 7 (50:07):
I'm such an adult, Like sometimes I'm like, do I
keep them? Definitely not going to break them down? Like
and so then he took that and he turned it
into a song about He called it like it's a
pretty good box and it was like a thirty second song.
He wrote it, you know, in ten minutes. We shot it,
we put it, and it has many millions views. So
I think like the partnership works. Like I can say

(50:30):
I am more likely to say have you ever noticed?

Speaker 4 (50:32):
And then I say, here's how we could maybe do that?

Speaker 6 (50:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Yeah, So you're just a great team.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
We're great except when we're fighting.

Speaker 6 (50:39):
Define we're fighting.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
Sometimes we're good content when you're fighting, right, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (50:45):
You guys, ever, like take a step back and pinch
yourself that.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
I mean, it seems like you guys would spend an
incredible amount of time together. I have all these amazing experiences,
and your job is it's like essentially finding the funny
things about your life and presenting him to the world.

Speaker 5 (50:59):
It's pretty incredible.

Speaker 7 (51:01):
It doesn't feel real. We always like once a week
we'll say I think we've reached the end of the internet.
We should probably get real jobs.

Speaker 4 (51:09):
Now.

Speaker 7 (51:10):
Get so lucky. No, yeah, and almost sort of like guilty.
I mean there's a lot I grew up in a
small town and I'm like I have some survivors guilt
almost of like, oh, I got out and I'm doing
pretty well. So like I feel like a little guilty
and also like it could go away.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
Yeah, yeah, it's so. My short answer is I like
to stop and small the roses sometimes when I can.
But then you wake up the next morning and you're unemployed.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Yeah. Well, do you guys also have a podcast? Yeah?
Can you tell us a little bit about that.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
You're doing great? By the way, thank you.

Speaker 5 (51:43):
For all this.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
I'm very grateful for all these opportunities, and so, okay,
the podcast is like the one time a week. It's
almost like our amazing race time when we take all
the phones and put them down and just have a
chance to talk to each other or to listen to
someone else and learn something new. And it's funny because
it is still on a digital format, but our podcast
is kind of like our marriage therapy at this point.

Speaker 7 (52:05):
Yeah, so, I mean kind of I wish it were,
you know, really pigeonholed into like reality TV ars. I
had sort of a something we can peg it on,
but it's sort of just everything. It's kind of an
everything life podcast.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Now, do you have like a rundown what you're gonna
talk about it?

Speaker 4 (52:23):
You just shoot the shit we have, Yes, But it's
a pretty loose rundown. It's and I don't know that
we stay true to it all the time. I know
you guys don't, because I can just tell that you have.
You guys have the ability to kind of go off
on tangents, and I think that's on honestly the best
We have a like a one shooter that kind of
talks about it and points exactly.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Yeah, that's the best way. Yeah, just veer off wherever
you want to.

Speaker 5 (52:48):
Go, speak at a bullet points.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
I have a selfish question for you guys, now that
you've won Amazing Race. Mm hmm, do you have any
more aspirations to go compete and win another show?

Speaker 5 (52:58):
And if show? If so, what would that show?

Speaker 4 (53:01):
Oh? Wow? So, I here's here's the thing I would.
I would, and you would too. I would rather produce
a season of The Amazing Race than be on it.
And you've said the same thing.

Speaker 7 (53:11):
I would rather produce the season of The Amazing Race.
But so here's the okay, survivor, I am endlessly fascinated.
I would self eliminate day one. I just don't. I
can't lie really really well to people, So just not
not that I'm super nice necessarily, but I would rather
just like say it to your face, like I just

(53:32):
I wouldn't have I couldn't amazing television.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
Let me give you what should be the answer to Kim.
Kim should go on Dancing with the Stars. She is
a spectacular dancer.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
I was there last night, you were Yeah, so Phedro,
who was on Traders with us and has been on Housewife,
does a lot of things. She's a contestant on Dancing
with the Stars. It was my first time in the
audience and I was just telling Dan earlier before you
guys got on that the.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Energy there is so amazing.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
I've always been like everyone's like, oh, you should being
down to the stars, and always said that is my
biggest nightmare.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
First of all, I can't dance. I'd be so nervous.
I'm so out of my box. As soon as I
walked in, I'm like, I freaking want to be on
Dance with the Stars. This is just amazing.

Speaker 7 (54:16):
You should do it. No, we need to watch, we
need to watch. No, you should totally do that. So
I back to your question, Probably my worst nightmare would
be Big Brother, because that's what Dan was on. Yeah,
I know, I know, I think everybody watching twenty four
to seven at least with an amazing race and survivor,
Like there are moments when the cameras aren't there so

(54:37):
being watched and then always having to be sort of
like in competition.

Speaker 6 (54:41):
I would die.

Speaker 4 (54:42):
Yeah, I would have a touch any.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Of the non competition reality. Would you be on a
housewife show?

Speaker 6 (54:48):
We would be really boring.

Speaker 4 (54:50):
Yeah, we would be what do you be?

Speaker 3 (54:52):
You guys are always like doing these crazy videos?

Speaker 6 (54:55):
Yeah, I don't think we.

Speaker 7 (54:58):
First of all, we live in Raleigh, North Carolina, and
that would be not good for the Housewives franchise.

Speaker 6 (55:03):
Because I bet it would.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
I think could do any town, any.

Speaker 4 (55:06):
Town, honestly, it would be like a next door, the
next door.

Speaker 7 (55:10):
What is good about rally is there are a lot
of women who will just say bless your heart instead
of actually like saying what they want to say.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
My grandma used to say that bless your heart, and
that's kind of like you to me exactly.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Nowadays I'm like, bless your heart. I just want to
tell them.

Speaker 7 (55:25):
To Yeah, so the middle finger or it's you're really dumb,
so you have to be able to translate your heart,
I think, But I think it would just be really boring,
but yeah, sure, like if they were.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Sure, you can find a group of friends that could
just be hilarious because I feel like you're you both
are very raw. You don't censor yourself, You're not like
I mean, come on, we were talking about pooping your pants.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
It's a minute out the gates.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
So like a lot of people on reality TV, like
they don't want to go there and they want to
look like they're perfect and that never works out.

Speaker 5 (55:58):
And I know you got to show any what schopen.

Speaker 4 (56:02):
Oh my gosh, Well, I'm not qualified for any of
the shows. I would want to gone. I would want
to go on the Masked Singer just because I want
one of those badass masks.

Speaker 8 (56:11):
And I like the problem is that I'll take it
you're Tony Hawk. I'm not Tony Hawk. I look like him.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Yeah that's funny.

Speaker 4 (56:24):
So I would do that or uh, you know what
any of the really like heavily physically challenging ones that
are less less dramatic. Yeah, but survivors, so Caddy, I
would get voted off immediately. I would not. I would
not form an alliance because if you form an alliance
with someone, that means you're not you're like excluding someone else.
I just don't have I'm not a good exclusionary person.

(56:48):
I would do deal Dealer Island Island like the combination
of the two things and the.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Weirdest I've never seen that one and all that that.

Speaker 4 (56:56):
Was the most bizarre show ever, and I found that
in credibly amusing.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
Yeah, oh my god, that's a long answer. I know
we're running out of time, but I want to ask
you one question. You guys are together all the time.
How do you maintain a healthy marriage when you're working
with your partner and spend so much time together?

Speaker 7 (57:19):
At Tuesday, I will say, so, we we do have
a great team Anne, Marie and Sam who worked with us.
Our marriage improved and our marriage changed. When we hired people.

Speaker 4 (57:29):
We needed tie breakers.

Speaker 7 (57:30):
We needed a tie breaker, and we needed boundaries. So
so we actually we do stop work at five. We
don't start talking about work until the next morning. So
we had we had, but we had to learn boundaries.
We had boundaries. Yeah, we are sitting here in our
like finished attic spaces is where Pen works. I have
an office downstairs. We work in different spaces. We have
sort of different jobs within the company. But then yesterday

(57:53):
we went to an event we saw friends speak. She
did great, and we were driving home and we went
out to dinner and we just didn't talk, and he's like,
are you done with me today?

Speaker 6 (58:02):
I'm like, you know what, I'm just doding with words today. Yeah,
I'm used on my words.

Speaker 4 (58:06):
And there was no like he laughed. We're like, oh, yeah,
we're done.

Speaker 7 (58:09):
And so we were sitting at the bar because we
just grab a quick right, and we just sat in
silence and steered. So I think, knowing what, he didn't
get offended when I'm like, I can't talk to me
right now, I'm done with me.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
I spent a lot of time with my husband and
our offices are right next to each other.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
And I said to him, we've been together fourteen years.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
And I said, wow, you know what, I'm so surprised,
I'm not sick of you. And he looked at me
and goes, is that like a compliment, like I and
I go, yeah, it is.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
The ultimate compliment.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
I get sick of people.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
So easy, and I really not sick of you. You
annoy me sometimes, but I'm not sick of you.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
Yeah. I mean so, just before this started, we've learned
boundaries like I came up here with an apple and
she had to go stand somewhere.

Speaker 6 (58:50):
Else because he was chewing.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Yeah, like there, oh my god, that's my thing. Yeah,
I cannot stand it. We have to turn at dinner time.
We have to turn a little music on.

Speaker 6 (59:00):
Oh wow, okay, oh just any.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
Chewing, any chewing.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
I have like that sensory issue. I can't stand people
talking to me. I can't sit at a restaurant.

Speaker 7 (59:10):
It's like the extreme bain and and it's an auditory
like it triggers my anxiety.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
That's how I am. I I will punch you in
the throat if I have to hear you your coffee
chew your food. And Eddie has realized that's just who
I am. And my kids are like that too. They
can't stand it either. So sometimes I got to get
up and walk away.

Speaker 7 (59:31):
Yeah, so I just walked. He goes, hey, cause you
know we're about to log on you gut, do you
want to come over? I'm like, I'm just waiting for
you to be done with your apple, and I sat down.

Speaker 5 (59:39):
There's no offense to that. That's amazing.

Speaker 4 (59:41):
Well, no, because I've seen it before, and that's she
was making an effort to kind of allow me to
eat and and and so the least I could do
is say thank you, I'm sorry. I think, like just
you probably know this tooth stammer, there's you're going to
be walking on eggshells when you first get married to
your spouse, and then you would walk on eggshells again

(01:00:04):
if you move into a house with them, if you
work in a job together, and working it out and
like telling people, being mature and telling people what you
want and what you need has been to me the
secret to us like not only like being able to
work together, but I think actually enjoying working with each
other more than we do with other people.

Speaker 6 (01:00:22):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Yeah, and then it gets to like a year ten
and you're like, why do you eat so loud? Why
I never noticed this the first ten years, and now
all of a sudden.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
You breathe loud, You eat loud.

Speaker 7 (01:00:33):
You need to stop the breathing. I know, like at
night he'll take a big deep breath in. I'll be like,
why are you breathing?

Speaker 6 (01:00:40):
And you stop it over.

Speaker 7 (01:00:42):
For him breathing Yeah, in the middle of the night.
I'm like, I've done that to me, but you're breathing, yeah,
and he's like, I don't know what to do, babe.
I know I'm a I'm a pure joy to be around,
so can intent if.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
If people want to watch your videos of you recording
pen breathing, where is the best place where I'm going
to find you, guys is.

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
Online across all platforms. It's the Holderness Family dot com
or the Holderness Family.

Speaker 6 (01:01:05):
Let's sorry not dot comlum.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Did you find them on the Interwebnb?

Speaker 4 (01:01:14):
Yeah? And yeah, that's it. And if you want to
watch the amazing race season that we've been talking about,
that would be on Paramount Plus and it was season
thirty three and there were a lot of great people
in that season.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Yes, well, thank you guys so much for taking the time.
We enjoyed this so much me especially me too.

Speaker 5 (01:01:32):
You guys are awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Dived right into your Instagram. It was so funny.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
When I first saw your guys's name on I'm like
and then I'm like, why do I know this name?

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Why do I know? Why do I know? And I'm like,
oh my god, it's.

Speaker 7 (01:01:49):
We need to let's do some back channel because I
need to figure out this amazing thing. Yeah, because we're
making this happen both of you, and I got to
get you just.

Speaker 5 (01:01:59):
To see you have a melt down.

Speaker 7 (01:02:00):
No, I think you would. I'd have to be so
medicated to be on Big Brother. I would just be
a walking XANAX right there, like there's no there's no way.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
I'm sure you wouldn't be the first one. Oh, that's
for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Thank you both so much. It was it was a
ton of fun. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (01:02:17):
Oh, I love talking to you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
Have a great day, guys. Heye bye bye