October 24, 2025 • 30 mins
Erika points out what the RHOBH cast would never agree to do.
What is Jenn doing wrong? When did Slade become the voice of reason?
Plus, we are confused what Gretchen is hurt about… it has been 12 years?
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hi, guys, Welcome to another episode of Diamonds in the
Rough with myself, Teddy Mellencamp and Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I'm Erica Jane.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Hi, Erica Jane. How's it going.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
It's going good? What about you?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
It's going well. I mean we were just talking about
it though, that neither of us are sleeping very well.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I don't know what's going on. And I don't think
we're the only people, like, We're not the only two.
I've had a couple of friends say that they weren't
sleeping well either. I just I keep waking up in
the middle of the night.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
You the same. I'm falling asleep, then I wake up
in the middle of the night, and then I fall
back asleep, and then I wake up really early.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
What do you are? You a six am?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah? I normally am a six am.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, I'm six am two. It used to be four thirty. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
See, that's what I've been doing recently.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
You do do you? I used to, you know, what
would put me back to well. I made a commitment
to get up at four thirty, but I used to
read a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
See. The last couple of days, I've had dev sleeping
with me because we have guests.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Oh, I see, Okay, So.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
I don't know. I think there's just a lot going
through my mind. I mean, I think with the holidays
coming up, I've been thinking about, like the kids, how
it goes down between me and Edwin.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Wait, is this the first holiday?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
It's the second holiday, but it's the first holiday where
I'm like, not with tumors.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Right, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
You see what I'm saying. So like I wasn't myself. Yeah,
not that I'm myself now, but.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Like, well you're a different self.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah. So it's like Ede's like, oh, you know whatever
it is that you want to do. But then it's
like there's this part of me that I'm like, I
don't feel like I'm doing anything well enough right now.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, been through a lot, Like you don't need to
do that to yourself. You really can't do that to yourself.
You don't need to put yourself under that kind of pressure.
I know these kids are going to have a great
holiday season, You're going to have a great Thanksgiving and
a great Christmas. Don't do that to yourself, Like, as
your friend, please don't. That's the last thing you need
right now. Harder, I know it's hard but it's the
(02:19):
last thing you need right now if you can't. You've
come so far and you're doing so well, and I
just don't want you to see you beat up on yourself. Yeah,
give yourself a break.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Serious at beating up on myself.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah you are, But you were good at this before
you got sick though, Yeah, I know. I mean you
were like a world champion. You were you were like
a world champion, and then somehow or another like still
going still.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
It's I mean, we.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Leave that in the past. I know.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I'm working on gratitude.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
There's a new podcast about gratitude. There is, well doctor
Huberman has some guy on about gratitude, and I just
was listening to it on the way here, but that
I out on the phone call. But I'll send it
to you.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Oh yeah, send it to me, because like I've definitely
been working on my gratitude and being like, okay, think
about how far you've come. It doesn't have this Christmas
doesn't have to look like any other Christmas, you know,
like right, it is what it is, and just be
happy that everybody's getting along.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Those are your presents, yeah, you know, like you got
a different kind of present this year. Yeah, and so
did the kids.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah that's a good that's a good call.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
You know, I got a different, different kind of presence.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, how are you.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I'm good, I'm good. I'm I'm okay. I'm not sleeping
well either. I don't know why, but I'm fine. Like
everything is okay. I'm doing good.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
We are on Real Housewives of Orange County Season nineteen,
episode sixteen.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
What'd you think of this? Just off like the top?
What we're your what? We're just overall thoughts and then
we'll get into it.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
I gotta say this episode is rough.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
I thought it us a little snoozy. Yeah, but before
the hot tubs in the that the crock.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Pot, I want to know who Pete in there?
Speaker 2 (04:12):
All of them?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I mean, because how long do you think they were
in the crock pot?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I just just watching that made me think, what if
they had tried to do this to me?
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I can't imagine one of those fucking die.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
But you know what I do love about this cast
is that they're all in their swimsuits. Yeah, they're all
out there.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
They're all like it. I mean, let's do it. Our
girls would have been like no, absolutely not, like what
we're going to get in this hot.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Box of water and floating down a canal.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Trying to steer our way around.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Somebody hit the fucking I mean, no boat. No, But
that was the best part that in the tulips.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah, that what It was the funniest part because there
was actually laughter.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
We actually were able to laugh and have fun for
a minute. But it quickly passed.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
It quickly passed. All right, go ahead. Start.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
It starts out where Heather and Gina take mushrooms before
heading to the tulip field.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Question for you, have you ever taken mushrooms?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I haven't.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Oh so much fun.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I know, I heard it so fun, but you.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Would really like it. It's very euphoric and really comforting,
and then the colors are like really vibrant.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
And then it takes down your anxiety, right totally. See,
that's the part that sounds pretty good to me. But
the fact that only two of them took it, it
made it hard to balance out.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Well, those were the only two that were having a
good time. Yeah, everybody else was just kind of glowing
through it. But the girls, you know, but everybody else,
you know, Heather and Gina were really vibrant. Yeah, they
were mushrooms are fun like that.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I mean I kind of wish maybe Shannon would have
taken one so she could trip over something other than
like her foot or her toe, nail herding.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah, the blisters, the blisters.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
I've got to understand.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
If this is like a stick.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Yeah, I really need to know. I need to know.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I mean, I you know.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Okay, Yeah, Well the girls all sit down for lunch
and Gina brings up Alexis's wedding. Okay, so what are
your thoughts on this in general? Like if Jen would
have gone gone to the wedding yes, or said that
she was close with Alexis, does Shannon have a right
(06:40):
to be upset? If this is the part that we
need to remember. If Shannon and Alexis never were on
the show together, well, why does that mean anything, because
it's not like she stole her boyfriend that she has.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Oh no, this is more to me, This is more. Look,
everybody has a right to do We're all. You have
free will, like Andy Cohen says, you have free will,
so you can be friends with whomever you want to be.
But if I were Shannon and Jen, who I just
threw a fucking what did she throw a reception like
a shower that she didn't want? And then I find
(07:18):
out that she's seeing my arch nemesis, you know, for lunch, Alexis.
I would immediately put Jen at arms length, right, Yeah,
do you know what I'm saying? I would immediately put
her at arm's length. I don't know. I'd be like, huh,
I don't think this is I don't know that I
can trust that situation. That's just how I would operate
and be like, Okay, well this doesn't feel good, so logically,
(07:40):
I'm going to put myself at arms length.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Well, Shannon saying she didn't know that Alexis and gen
we are friends, and then Gina calls Jen and Shannon's
friendship fake.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Well why does Gina call Jen and Shannon's friendship fake?
What does she know?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Though?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
I think it's because Jen kind of speaks out of
both sides of her mouth.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
I think Jen is trying to please everybody, which Emily
really gets into later on. Yeah, and I think that
that's you know, what I took away is that and
everyone kind of says that Jen is, you know, in
the middle, trying to please everybody, but doesn't really, no
one really knows how she feels? Yeah, but does does
Jen know how she feels? Is really what it comes
down to?
Speaker 1 (08:19):
And who would rather Jen rather hang out with? She's
saying right here, Shannon.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Right, but you know, yeah, this is okay. Then the
girls get in their hot tub boats. I'm telling you
I would have died. It's like a crab pot. Emily
put Tamra and Gretchen with her on the hot tub
boat and it is her last effort to try to
get them to resolve well. Boat one is Emily, Tamra
(08:47):
and Gretchen. Boat two is Shannon, Jen, Heather and Gina.
Does this seems like something you would like to do?
Speaker 1 (08:55):
I mean, it's something I probably would do really if forced.
I only have free will.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
But like if I was, no, you don't, I mean, well, yeah,
if it was.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I would do it, But I don't know that I
would want to do it in these circumstances.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I just am going to go on the record here,
I will not be doing this. I just looked at
them in their swimsuits and I just wanted to be like,
oh my god, And they were having a good time
and floating down the canal, and I don't want to
be in a hot tub on a boat inside of
a canal with somebody I don't like.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Well, most of them didn't even put full bodies in, right.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Would you know?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I mean no, no, And I think Tamera and maybe
it was Heather.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Had tops like like pants, they had pants on. Yeah,
I just I'm not kidding. I'm not getting in this water.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I'm not getting involved in this.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
I don't want to. I don't. I mean, I this
is one of those excursions where you just go, what.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Yeah the fuck is this?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Like what was shady? Producer decided that we should get
in a hot tub boat and float down the canal,
and it has to be I do it. And here's
the other thing, like please, you know the cool part
about being on these shows is that you get to
see things and do things you wouldn't normally do. But
this isn't it. This is not what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
No, I don't understand how what the water temperature was.
Was it actually a hot tub, was it actually warm?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
What season was it?
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Well, we know they were hot because at that lunch
with the Tulips, they were like, who, it's hot here,
and then they would have been wish we could have
done a cold plunge instead of go to a hot tub.
So I think it was hot at the time that
they were there.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Which it's even worse you're in a hot tub and
the hot and the heat heat in the middle of that.
No shade to Amsterdam, but that water was not the cleanest.
It looked like Georgia Lake water.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Yeah, it didn't look like it's somewhere you wanted to
be sitting down. But Jen asks if she and Shannon
are okay. Shannon remembers Jen telling her three weeks ago
that a Felexus invited her to a wedding.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
She probably wouldn't go.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah, No, I feel like.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
When sometimes when Jen talks, she doesn't know what the
truth is at that current time.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Do you think she's forgetting or it's convenient.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I think it's convenient, But I also think and believe,
like I like watching Jen, you know, but I think
that sometimes she can say things solely because she doesn't
want to hurt somebody's feelings.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I tend to agree with you. Yes, I feel like
she doesn't want to ruffle any feathers. She doesn't want
to hurt anybody so she's just trying to say what
makes that person feel good?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, and that always backfires, always always. Then Emily asked
Tama and Gretchen if they want any to say anything
to each other.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Oh, and then Gretchen apologizes to Tarmor for what she
said in La Okay. I just love it that they're
on this in this crock pot, on.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
There in this crock pot, having this conversation again.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yeah for the audience. Leah, Well, here we go, and
Emily thinks that Gretchen should be more introspective and think
about if she has been fueling the fire. I like
Emily in these situations. I've always said that because I
think that she's very fair, and that's an honest We've
all we've said that, like, hey, Gretchen, you know, maybe
take a look at yourself. Tamor shows jen the headline
(12:43):
that she was sent for iHeart about the money jen
O's back rent for the yoga studio. Let's blame it
on Iheartlli.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
But then Tama brings it on into the second car Yeah,
and says, you know this happened at the yoga suit,
but she where you got to give Tamra credits. She
also said it directly to Jen.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
No, yes I do. And Jen did have an answer, right,
which is, yes, this has come up before, and yes
this is true.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
And yes now we're fully up and running again and
it's true, so you know.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
And that's okay. Listen, shit happens, you know.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
But what about how they're telling Jen to monetize her
Instagram but this is her third year as a housewife.
You have to like actively avoid making money at this point?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Well, I mean yes.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
And like on your Instagram.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Yes, you have to be like saying no. You have
to be saying no at this point.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Or this is my rate and I'm not doing it.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah, this is my rate and this is the only
way I'm doing it right. And I love this product
or this item that I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
And you really do like it? Yeah, or you don't
do it?
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, or there's no point. But did you realize that
they called Gretcher's not just Gretchers now? It was gee?
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Please just oh god, No, I didn't notice. That's how
boring night I thought this was?
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah, this was yeah, this was Gretchen starts crying in
the van when Heather, Gina, and Jen ask about the
conversation with Tamra. Gretchen admits to not recognizing she is
doing this to Tamra, and Heather is impressed with her,
saying that how doesn't she realize?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
I don't know, because remember you know, I don't know.
And then she kept crying and then was late to
the dinner later because she was still crying.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah, but did you see tears? Oh?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I never look you don't, No.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I do. I didn't see many coming out. I didn't
see many squeezed out.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
You know, I'm kind over this.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I gotta tell you so am. I. I hate to
be a real kill joy, but like this is this
was dragging. This was dragging. You can tell we're dragging
now as viewers. What are we expecting right now that
(15:27):
we're not getting.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I'm expecting this to be wrapped up and over. Yeah,
I'm expecting for Gretchen to say, hey, I give up,
I quit. I'm not going to be bringing it up
from seventeen years ago. I really mean it. I don't
want to do this, and then do that. Like, here's
the thing. You can say all of these things like
I don't want to do this anymore, but then you
have to not do it. You have to say you know, Okay,
(15:50):
I'm not going to do it and then not do it.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah, So then we can move on and then we
can have other things to argue about.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Right, Let somebody else get in a fight, Let someone
else do something.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
And you can tell. Tamara is so over it too.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
She's like she's checked out.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah, She's like we talked about this, yeah, multiple.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Times, multiple times, And I just think that how.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Many times do I have to apologize to you?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
These girls, these women on this show, they have a
good cast, They're very active. I just feel like, you know,
why are we getting hammered with this?
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah? I don't know, because I'm for sure getting over it.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
But then later the girls all get in the Sprinter
for dinner and Gretchen isn't there. Jen tells them that
Gretchen might not come at all. She went up to
her room before leaving, and Gretchen couldn't stop crying. Tama
immediately thinks it's about her. Well I would too, Yeah,
I would too, when it kind of.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Is it is? I mean it's certainly not. What is it?
I've done wrong? And I feel so bad and it
took me all these weeks to figure it out. Like, yes,
I understand that, but okay.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Well, also Slade, when did you become the voice of
reason on the FaceTime?
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Please, Paul, it's just a little convenient, you know. Now
we're gonna be sorry.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Now we're sorry. And then also we know more things
are coming after seeing the scenes for next week.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, next week looks like it's popping next week.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
If only this were next week.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Well yes, but let's also remember things do if you're
being if you're tracking life, not every night is you know,
home runs. So sometimes we have to have these things
to build up.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Yeah, well this was nothing really built up. Then you know,
she does show up to dinner. As they're talking about it,
they go into the food market.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah, the market, Like, why couldn't we sit down?
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, why can't we have a sit down? They already
were at aar and they were in the crock pots. Yeah,
they'd already done a lot. Let them have a sit
down dinner.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
The crotch pots crush.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
What about the hats? Would you want?
Speaker 2 (18:07):
The hats were clever? I mean it added some comic
relief to the whole thing. Moister than an oyster.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Moist chance, right, No one likes sis.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
No one likes it. I like. I like when my
baked goods are.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Moist, but you like to say moist?
Speaker 2 (18:25):
No, I don't. I don't like that word.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Yeah, not my favorite.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Was it moister than an oyster? Something about a diet cock?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Yeah, I'll have it. I'll have a diet cock.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
No, you want an extra large overleaf.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Extra sugar castre fat.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Cock and that fucking slim.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
No launch And I'd like mine with the gero calories.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Please, bitch, I need a fucking no no loaded baked potato,
you know, like something like give us some some meat.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
But yeah, so that happens. Then Emily asked if Gretchen
wants to talk about it, and Gretchen says no. Gretchen
explains that she feels hurt about what what are you
hurt by.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
The fact that you're laughing about She can't even you
know why I see this is we're not we're not
alone in this. Yeah, like to everybody listening, We're not
teddy and I are not alone in this. Like what
is she? What has Gretchen heard about twelve years of history? Like, bro,
but there.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Haven't anything for you. This would be one thing for
those twelve consecutive years of history and this, I.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Can't remember twelve days ago.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I can't remember twelve minutes ago.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Right, So why would I be beefing for twelve non
consecutive years. I just don't, Oh my god, And then
wearing glasses and just can't come.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
On, please Gretchen. Then Tamra says, you know, I'm annoyed.
We talked about it over and over again. And after
we decided to move forward, and they did decide to
move forward in the crock Pot, and even before.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
The pot, before the crock Pot, but they slid back
then they then they once again decided to move forward
in the crock Pot. And now Gretchen has come to
some self realization that maybe she's been doing it all wrong,
and she's crying and can't stop crying, and I.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
It makes me want to break into song and just
be like, Gretchen, let it go.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
You just gotta let it go.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Let it go.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, we don't, you know, And you know, Emily wonders
if maybe there was a release today, and that's why
Gretchen is so emosive. Oh, Emily, come on, there was
no release to And I love the way she's trying
to loot the right right side right side of this,
(21:11):
maybe there was an emotional relief.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Now you just really can't keep those tears and except
they're in.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
See, I didn't even look at you know, I don't
even look at things like that. Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
I mean, she could at least she could at least
pull to you and had one lowly, lonely cheer drop
coming down.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
That was Lisa, Rena.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Was that Rena?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
That's Rena. I was the one that had the mescara
coming Oh. And then everybody told me that was fake.
I was like, no, no, no, no, it wasn't. I
wish let me tell you something else. Swear to God,
I wish that was but it was not. It was horrible.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
That was That's something to cry about. This twelve years
of conversation back and forth. No one cares, girl, Yeah, no,
no one cares. Then the next morning, Emily and Gina
talk about how they are feeling and about how Tarma
and Gretchen's relationship, and Gina doesn't feel good about the
post Tarma showed her two weeks ago that Gretchen has
(22:12):
been liking. Tarma also showed Emily, and Gina doesn't know
if she should tell Heather about the posts.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
So what I'm picking up on I'm going to go
out and say this possibly has something to do with
the LGBTQ plus community.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
That's what my guess is. Yeah, and then I have
a feeling that it's they are going to probably let
Heather know.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Well yeah, yeah, how do you feel about that?
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I mean, I think the fact that Heather didn't already.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Know when I mean, are these posts old?
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Some were old, and some I think are recent because
I've seen them.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Also, I saw the video that Gretchen made that was
inappropriate that she took down with Jen.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Oh. I saw that.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
It was just dumb it Yeah, it was dumb, It
was inappropriate. Yeah, it was just it's not the time anyo.
It's not the time, right.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
How old are these posts like when we say old,
are they like a year old? Six months old?
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah, we've seen these posts for a few years. Okay,
So I'm wondering how, I mean, with all of the
Internet sleuths that people can do, I'm surprised these posts
didn't come out prior to this season. Airy, Oh they
did come out.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Well, we had to save the best for last, you
know how, it does true, so we can banish her
away forever after this, I mean, come on, you know
how it goes? Yeah, I just I you know, wow,
had a loss of words. I'm at a loss of
a lot more than words. I'm at a loss of
(23:59):
emotion over here today.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
It's it's slim.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
It's slim. I'm happy for anyone else to join in
and tell us more that we can talk about from
this episode.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah, this is just you know, Uh, I watched it all,
and I just.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I watched it all and the fact that we don't
have opinions, and.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
That's hard, that's hard. That's your two opinionated fucker's.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
And we could talk our way through just about anything. Yeah,
and this just is I was like.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yeah, yeah, I am excited to see next week. I
do think that well, if Gretchen is crying now, she's
(24:54):
really going to be crying later.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Yeah, if she's upset now, I mean we do start
to see things get heated because we hear Djen go
was it biblical? And Heather isn't having that? Yeah, which
I can understand.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Sure, of course, I mean biblical. I just I mean
this has to be Yeah, I mean we all know
what this means.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yeah, we all know what this means, and it's.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Just I need to see these posts. I need to
see what they are. It sounds like they're not good.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
They're not good. So I'm a little bit confused because
when for when they show Tamar kind of showing up
the phone of what the text messages say, it's blurred?
Do you think it's gonna stay blurred the entire season
or they're gonna.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I'm sure, I'm sure. And since it's already online, you
can go and see it yourself.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I don't think that, yeah, would it's effortless to find.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
This is when you need the bloggers see. This is
when the bloggers come handy.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah, And I think they've already come in handy about
this multiple times. And so the fact that this is
just coming out is a little disturbing.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
I think happens to the rest of the group, Like,
does you know so they're these posts, they're disturbing to
the group. Obviously, Heather's going to feel I'm just going
to assume. Obviously I'm assuming one a strong way about this.
So what ends up happening to the rest? Do they
are they neutral? Do they say I agree like this
is unacceptable? Or do you know what do you.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
My guess is that they're all going to be like
this is unacceptable, right, I would just think that they would.
I mean, some of the posts that I saw, like
there's no other ways.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
It's not even a closer, it's.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Not even a close call, Like it's unacceptable.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Right, just flat out flat space.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah, okay, So I think that, you know, moving forward,
you know, we're going to have to go through the reunion,
but my I mean, I feel like the next step is,
you know, we're going back into like you know, the
beginning of the season where like oh these are fake
or this didn't happen, or this isn't real or this
isn't you.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Know, do you think that she's going to say that.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah, I don't think she's going to take accountability, do you.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Well, how do you defend something that's been out for
a few years? Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Like, yeah, that's just my guess. I don't know, But like,
I don't think she's going to say I don't think
especially without like.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Hey yes I did this, or and I feel badly
about it, or hey I did this and that's how
I feel now. I don't think that she will Emily
says that she can't trust the screenshot because it's tamor
showing it. I think that's just Emily being a lawyer. Yeah,
that's just Emily. You know, Emily's trained to, you know,
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look at the shit from an objective point of view.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah, she's like, and it's sentuntil proven guilty. But like
at this point, anybody can delete or do whatever of
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
I want to see these posts. I want to see
what this is because I just I don't know what
I'm what I'm answering for, you know, I just don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Before next week, we'll we'll do a little reading, reading
up on them so that we make sure that we
know exactly what.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I'm interested to see these women's reactions to this.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yeah, if they're going to be flip floppy, if they're
going to be.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Do you know what they just stop talking to her?
Did they stop talking to her?
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Like? Is that I don't know. I didn't hear, like
how they stopped talking to Katie. I didn't, right, Like
That's what I'm kind of asking, Like, I don't know
if that happened.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Did they kind of just stop talking to Gretchen? Like
they stopped talking to Katie.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
I wonder if they were ever really talking to Gretchen
this entire season like they were, you think, who.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Well, look Jen clearly.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Well obviously Jen talks to everybody.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
But yeah, but I'm saying, like, yeah, I'm sure that
they you know, how the show goes. Of course they're talking,
just not like they don't talk to you. But I'm talking,
I'm sure even if it's just simple shit. Yeah, just
simple stuff. I'm not saying that you're getting on the
phone and you know, socializing, but you do have simple conversations.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
You know, you do have interaction, believe it or not
outside of.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
I just wonder how much they have.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Probably, well, I think it varies upon who it is. Yeah,
and certainly once these texts come out, they're all going
to put themselves at greater distance from her. I'm just
wondering this is going to do.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
This isn't going to make you want to trust her more?
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
I don't think it endears her to anybody, and I
don't I haven't even seen them, so neither. I don't know.
All right, Well, I mean more to be seen. I
do I want to say to the ldies of Orange County.
I really admire you guys getting in the bathing suits
and getting in the hot tubs on the canals. I
(30:08):
know what it's like to shoot those things, and good job.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Because that was that's where we can give ours.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I really do. I give my kudos this week for
getting in those hot tubs on those boats. That's not easy.
It's a pain in the ass to do, and it's
it's kind of like it's a big ask. And they
all did it, and they all did it, and they
all just you know, and they made shit happen, which
I always appreciate about this cast.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah, so we can appreciate them for that, and then
I think next week will be a lot more exclusive
for us to talk about exclusive.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
All right, thanks guys, Thanks guys,
Hi, guys, Welcome to another episode of Diamonds in the
Rough with myself, Teddy Mellencamp and Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I'm Erica Jane.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Hi, Erica Jane. How's it going.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
It's going good? What about you?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
It's going well. I mean we were just talking about
it though, that neither of us are sleeping very well.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I don't know what's going on. And I don't think
we're the only people, like, We're not the only two.
I've had a couple of friends say that they weren't
sleeping well either. I just I keep waking up in
the middle of the night.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
You the same. I'm falling asleep, then I wake up
in the middle of the night, and then I fall
back asleep, and then I wake up really early.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
What do you are? You a six am?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah? I normally am a six am.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, I'm six am two. It used to be four thirty. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
See, that's what I've been doing recently.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
You do do you? I used to, you know, what
would put me back to well. I made a commitment
to get up at four thirty, but I used to
read a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
See. The last couple of days, I've had dev sleeping
with me because we have guests.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Oh, I see, Okay, So.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
I don't know. I think there's just a lot going
through my mind. I mean, I think with the holidays
coming up, I've been thinking about, like the kids, how
it goes down between me and Edwin.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Wait, is this the first holiday?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
It's the second holiday, but it's the first holiday where
I'm like, not with tumors.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Right, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
You see what I'm saying. So like I wasn't myself. Yeah,
not that I'm myself now, but.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Like, well you're a different self.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah. So it's like Ede's like, oh, you know whatever
it is that you want to do. But then it's
like there's this part of me that I'm like, I
don't feel like I'm doing anything well enough right now.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, been through a lot, Like you don't need to
do that to yourself. You really can't do that to yourself.
You don't need to put yourself under that kind of pressure.
I know these kids are going to have a great
holiday season, You're going to have a great Thanksgiving and
a great Christmas. Don't do that to yourself, Like, as
your friend, please don't. That's the last thing you need
right now. Harder, I know it's hard but it's the
(02:19):
last thing you need right now if you can't. You've
come so far and you're doing so well, and I
just don't want you to see you beat up on yourself. Yeah,
give yourself a break.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Serious at beating up on myself.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah you are, But you were good at this before
you got sick though, Yeah, I know. I mean you
were like a world champion. You were you were like
a world champion, and then somehow or another like still
going still.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
It's I mean, we.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Leave that in the past. I know.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I'm working on gratitude.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
There's a new podcast about gratitude. There is, well doctor
Huberman has some guy on about gratitude, and I just
was listening to it on the way here, but that
I out on the phone call. But I'll send it
to you.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Oh yeah, send it to me, because like I've definitely
been working on my gratitude and being like, okay, think
about how far you've come. It doesn't have this Christmas
doesn't have to look like any other Christmas, you know,
like right, it is what it is, and just be
happy that everybody's getting along.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Those are your presents, yeah, you know, like you got
a different kind of present this year. Yeah, and so
did the kids.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah that's a good that's a good call.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
You know, I got a different, different kind of presence.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, how are you.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I'm good, I'm good. I'm I'm okay. I'm not sleeping
well either. I don't know why, but I'm fine. Like
everything is okay. I'm doing good.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
We are on Real Housewives of Orange County Season nineteen,
episode sixteen.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
What'd you think of this? Just off like the top?
What we're your what? We're just overall thoughts and then
we'll get into it.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
I gotta say this episode is rough.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
I thought it us a little snoozy. Yeah, but before
the hot tubs in the that the crock.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Pot, I want to know who Pete in there?
Speaker 2 (04:12):
All of them?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I mean, because how long do you think they were
in the crock pot?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I just just watching that made me think, what if
they had tried to do this to me?
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I can't imagine one of those fucking die.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
But you know what I do love about this cast
is that they're all in their swimsuits. Yeah, they're all
out there.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
They're all like it. I mean, let's do it. Our
girls would have been like no, absolutely not, like what
we're going to get in this hot.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Box of water and floating down a canal.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Trying to steer our way around.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Somebody hit the fucking I mean, no boat. No, But
that was the best part that in the tulips.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah, that what It was the funniest part because there
was actually laughter.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
We actually were able to laugh and have fun for
a minute. But it quickly passed.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
It quickly passed. All right, go ahead. Start.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
It starts out where Heather and Gina take mushrooms before
heading to the tulip field.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Question for you, have you ever taken mushrooms?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I haven't.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Oh so much fun.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I know, I heard it so fun, but you.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Would really like it. It's very euphoric and really comforting,
and then the colors are like really vibrant.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
And then it takes down your anxiety, right totally. See,
that's the part that sounds pretty good to me. But
the fact that only two of them took it, it
made it hard to balance out.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Well, those were the only two that were having a
good time. Yeah, everybody else was just kind of glowing
through it. But the girls, you know, but everybody else,
you know, Heather and Gina were really vibrant. Yeah, they
were mushrooms are fun like that.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I mean I kind of wish maybe Shannon would have
taken one so she could trip over something other than
like her foot or her toe, nail herding.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah, the blisters, the blisters.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
I've got to understand.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
If this is like a stick.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Yeah, I really need to know. I need to know.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I mean, I you know.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Okay, Yeah, Well the girls all sit down for lunch
and Gina brings up Alexis's wedding. Okay, so what are
your thoughts on this in general? Like if Jen would
have gone gone to the wedding yes, or said that
she was close with Alexis, does Shannon have a right
(06:40):
to be upset? If this is the part that we
need to remember. If Shannon and Alexis never were on
the show together, well, why does that mean anything, because
it's not like she stole her boyfriend that she has.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Oh no, this is more to me, This is more. Look,
everybody has a right to do We're all. You have
free will, like Andy Cohen says, you have free will,
so you can be friends with whomever you want to be.
But if I were Shannon and Jen, who I just
threw a fucking what did she throw a reception like
a shower that she didn't want? And then I find
(07:18):
out that she's seeing my arch nemesis, you know, for lunch, Alexis.
I would immediately put Jen at arms length, right, Yeah,
do you know what I'm saying? I would immediately put
her at arm's length. I don't know. I'd be like, huh,
I don't think this is I don't know that I
can trust that situation. That's just how I would operate
and be like, Okay, well this doesn't feel good, so logically,
(07:40):
I'm going to put myself at arms length.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Well, Shannon saying she didn't know that Alexis and gen
we are friends, and then Gina calls Jen and Shannon's
friendship fake.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Well why does Gina call Jen and Shannon's friendship fake?
What does she know?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Though?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
I think it's because Jen kind of speaks out of
both sides of her mouth.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
I think Jen is trying to please everybody, which Emily
really gets into later on. Yeah, and I think that
that's you know, what I took away is that and
everyone kind of says that Jen is, you know, in
the middle, trying to please everybody, but doesn't really, no
one really knows how she feels? Yeah, but does does
Jen know how she feels? Is really what it comes
down to?
Speaker 1 (08:19):
And who would rather Jen rather hang out with? She's
saying right here, Shannon.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Right, but you know, yeah, this is okay. Then the
girls get in their hot tub boats. I'm telling you
I would have died. It's like a crab pot. Emily
put Tamra and Gretchen with her on the hot tub
boat and it is her last effort to try to
get them to resolve well. Boat one is Emily, Tamra
(08:47):
and Gretchen. Boat two is Shannon, Jen, Heather and Gina.
Does this seems like something you would like to do?
Speaker 1 (08:55):
I mean, it's something I probably would do really if forced.
I only have free will.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
But like if I was, no, you don't, I mean, well, yeah,
if it was.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I would do it, But I don't know that I
would want to do it in these circumstances.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I just am going to go on the record here,
I will not be doing this. I just looked at
them in their swimsuits and I just wanted to be like,
oh my god, And they were having a good time
and floating down the canal, and I don't want to
be in a hot tub on a boat inside of
a canal with somebody I don't like.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Well, most of them didn't even put full bodies in, right.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Would you know?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I mean no, no, And I think Tamera and maybe
it was Heather.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Had tops like like pants, they had pants on. Yeah,
I just I'm not kidding. I'm not getting in this water.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I'm not getting involved in this.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
I don't want to. I don't. I mean, I this
is one of those excursions where you just go, what.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Yeah the fuck is this?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Like what was shady? Producer decided that we should get
in a hot tub boat and float down the canal,
and it has to be I do it. And here's
the other thing, like please, you know the cool part
about being on these shows is that you get to
see things and do things you wouldn't normally do. But
this isn't it. This is not what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
No, I don't understand how what the water temperature was.
Was it actually a hot tub, was it actually warm?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
What season was it?
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Well, we know they were hot because at that lunch
with the Tulips, they were like, who, it's hot here,
and then they would have been wish we could have
done a cold plunge instead of go to a hot tub.
So I think it was hot at the time that
they were there.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Which it's even worse you're in a hot tub and
the hot and the heat heat in the middle of that.
No shade to Amsterdam, but that water was not the cleanest.
It looked like Georgia Lake water.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Yeah, it didn't look like it's somewhere you wanted to
be sitting down. But Jen asks if she and Shannon
are okay. Shannon remembers Jen telling her three weeks ago
that a Felexus invited her to a wedding.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
She probably wouldn't go.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah, No, I feel like.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
When sometimes when Jen talks, she doesn't know what the
truth is at that current time.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Do you think she's forgetting or it's convenient.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I think it's convenient, But I also think and believe,
like I like watching Jen, you know, but I think
that sometimes she can say things solely because she doesn't
want to hurt somebody's feelings.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I tend to agree with you. Yes, I feel like
she doesn't want to ruffle any feathers. She doesn't want
to hurt anybody so she's just trying to say what
makes that person feel good?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, and that always backfires, always always. Then Emily asked
Tama and Gretchen if they want any to say anything
to each other.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Oh, and then Gretchen apologizes to Tarmor for what she
said in La Okay. I just love it that they're
on this in this crock pot, on.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
There in this crock pot, having this conversation again.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yeah for the audience. Leah, Well, here we go, and
Emily thinks that Gretchen should be more introspective and think
about if she has been fueling the fire. I like
Emily in these situations. I've always said that because I
think that she's very fair, and that's an honest We've
all we've said that, like, hey, Gretchen, you know, maybe
take a look at yourself. Tamor shows jen the headline
(12:43):
that she was sent for iHeart about the money jen
O's back rent for the yoga studio. Let's blame it
on Iheartlli.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
But then Tama brings it on into the second car Yeah,
and says, you know this happened at the yoga suit,
but she where you got to give Tamra credits. She
also said it directly to Jen.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
No, yes I do. And Jen did have an answer, right,
which is, yes, this has come up before, and yes
this is true.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
And yes now we're fully up and running again and
it's true, so you know.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
And that's okay. Listen, shit happens, you know.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
But what about how they're telling Jen to monetize her
Instagram but this is her third year as a housewife.
You have to like actively avoid making money at this point?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Well, I mean yes.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
And like on your Instagram.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Yes, you have to be like saying no. You have
to be saying no at this point.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Or this is my rate and I'm not doing it.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah, this is my rate and this is the only
way I'm doing it right. And I love this product
or this item that I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
And you really do like it? Yeah, or you don't
do it?
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, or there's no point. But did you realize that
they called Gretcher's not just Gretchers now? It was gee?
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Please just oh god, No, I didn't notice. That's how
boring night I thought this was?
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah, this was yeah, this was Gretchen starts crying in
the van when Heather, Gina, and Jen ask about the
conversation with Tamra. Gretchen admits to not recognizing she is
doing this to Tamra, and Heather is impressed with her,
saying that how doesn't she realize?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
I don't know, because remember you know, I don't know.
And then she kept crying and then was late to
the dinner later because she was still crying.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah, but did you see tears? Oh?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I never look you don't, No.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I do. I didn't see many coming out. I didn't
see many squeezed out.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
You know, I'm kind over this.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I gotta tell you so am. I. I hate to
be a real kill joy, but like this is this
was dragging. This was dragging. You can tell we're dragging
now as viewers. What are we expecting right now that
(15:27):
we're not getting.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I'm expecting this to be wrapped up and over. Yeah,
I'm expecting for Gretchen to say, hey, I give up,
I quit. I'm not going to be bringing it up
from seventeen years ago. I really mean it. I don't
want to do this, and then do that. Like, here's
the thing. You can say all of these things like
I don't want to do this anymore, but then you
have to not do it. You have to say you know, Okay,
(15:50):
I'm not going to do it and then not do it.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah, So then we can move on and then we
can have other things to argue about.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Right, Let somebody else get in a fight, Let someone
else do something.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
And you can tell. Tamara is so over it too.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
She's like she's checked out.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah, She's like we talked about this, yeah, multiple.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Times, multiple times, And I just think that how.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Many times do I have to apologize to you?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
These girls, these women on this show, they have a
good cast, They're very active. I just feel like, you know,
why are we getting hammered with this?
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah? I don't know, because I'm for sure getting over it.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
But then later the girls all get in the Sprinter
for dinner and Gretchen isn't there. Jen tells them that
Gretchen might not come at all. She went up to
her room before leaving, and Gretchen couldn't stop crying. Tama
immediately thinks it's about her. Well I would too, Yeah,
I would too, when it kind of.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Is it is? I mean it's certainly not. What is it?
I've done wrong? And I feel so bad and it
took me all these weeks to figure it out. Like, yes,
I understand that, but okay.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Well, also Slade, when did you become the voice of
reason on the FaceTime?
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Please, Paul, it's just a little convenient, you know. Now
we're gonna be sorry.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Now we're sorry. And then also we know more things
are coming after seeing the scenes for next week.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, next week looks like it's popping next week.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
If only this were next week.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Well yes, but let's also remember things do if you're
being if you're tracking life, not every night is you know,
home runs. So sometimes we have to have these things
to build up.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Yeah, well this was nothing really built up. Then you know,
she does show up to dinner. As they're talking about it,
they go into the food market.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah, the market, Like, why couldn't we sit down?
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, why can't we have a sit down? They already
were at aar and they were in the crock pots. Yeah,
they'd already done a lot. Let them have a sit
down dinner.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
The crotch pots crush.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
What about the hats? Would you want?
Speaker 2 (18:07):
The hats were clever? I mean it added some comic
relief to the whole thing. Moister than an oyster.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Moist chance, right, No one likes sis.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
No one likes it. I like. I like when my
baked goods are.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Moist, but you like to say moist?
Speaker 2 (18:25):
No, I don't. I don't like that word.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Yeah, not my favorite.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Was it moister than an oyster? Something about a diet cock?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Yeah, I'll have it. I'll have a diet cock.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
No, you want an extra large overleaf.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Extra sugar castre fat.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Cock and that fucking slim.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
No launch And I'd like mine with the gero calories.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Please, bitch, I need a fucking no no loaded baked potato,
you know, like something like give us some some meat.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
But yeah, so that happens. Then Emily asked if Gretchen
wants to talk about it, and Gretchen says no. Gretchen
explains that she feels hurt about what what are you
hurt by.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
The fact that you're laughing about She can't even you
know why I see this is we're not we're not
alone in this. Yeah, like to everybody listening, We're not
teddy and I are not alone in this. Like what
is she? What has Gretchen heard about twelve years of history? Like, bro,
but there.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Haven't anything for you. This would be one thing for
those twelve consecutive years of history and this, I.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Can't remember twelve days ago.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I can't remember twelve minutes ago.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Right, So why would I be beefing for twelve non
consecutive years. I just don't, Oh my god, And then
wearing glasses and just can't come.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
On, please Gretchen. Then Tamra says, you know, I'm annoyed.
We talked about it over and over again. And after
we decided to move forward, and they did decide to
move forward in the crock Pot, and even before.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
The pot, before the crock Pot, but they slid back
then they then they once again decided to move forward
in the crock Pot. And now Gretchen has come to
some self realization that maybe she's been doing it all wrong,
and she's crying and can't stop crying, and I.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
It makes me want to break into song and just
be like, Gretchen, let it go.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
You just gotta let it go.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Let it go.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, we don't, you know, And you know, Emily wonders
if maybe there was a release today, and that's why
Gretchen is so emosive. Oh, Emily, come on, there was
no release to And I love the way she's trying
to loot the right right side right side of this,
(21:11):
maybe there was an emotional relief.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Now you just really can't keep those tears and except
they're in.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
See, I didn't even look at you know, I don't
even look at things like that. Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
I mean, she could at least she could at least
pull to you and had one lowly, lonely cheer drop
coming down.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
That was Lisa, Rena.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Was that Rena?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
That's Rena. I was the one that had the mescara
coming Oh. And then everybody told me that was fake.
I was like, no, no, no, no, it wasn't. I
wish let me tell you something else. Swear to God,
I wish that was but it was not. It was horrible.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
That was That's something to cry about. This twelve years
of conversation back and forth. No one cares, girl, Yeah, no,
no one cares. Then the next morning, Emily and Gina
talk about how they are feeling and about how Tarma
and Gretchen's relationship, and Gina doesn't feel good about the
post Tarma showed her two weeks ago that Gretchen has
(22:12):
been liking. Tarma also showed Emily, and Gina doesn't know
if she should tell Heather about the posts.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
So what I'm picking up on I'm going to go
out and say this possibly has something to do with
the LGBTQ plus community.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
That's what my guess is. Yeah, and then I have
a feeling that it's they are going to probably let
Heather know.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Well yeah, yeah, how do you feel about that?
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I mean, I think the fact that Heather didn't already.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Know when I mean, are these posts old?
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Some were old, and some I think are recent because
I've seen them.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Also, I saw the video that Gretchen made that was
inappropriate that she took down with Jen.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Oh. I saw that.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
It was just dumb it Yeah, it was dumb, It
was inappropriate. Yeah, it was just it's not the time anyo.
It's not the time, right.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
How old are these posts like when we say old,
are they like a year old? Six months old?
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah, we've seen these posts for a few years. Okay,
So I'm wondering how, I mean, with all of the
Internet sleuths that people can do, I'm surprised these posts
didn't come out prior to this season. Airy, Oh they
did come out.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Well, we had to save the best for last, you
know how, it does true, so we can banish her
away forever after this, I mean, come on, you know
how it goes? Yeah, I just I you know, wow,
had a loss of words. I'm at a loss of
a lot more than words. I'm at a loss of
(23:59):
emotion over here today.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
It's it's slim.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
It's slim. I'm happy for anyone else to join in
and tell us more that we can talk about from
this episode.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah, this is just you know, Uh, I watched it all,
and I just.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I watched it all and the fact that we don't
have opinions, and.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
That's hard, that's hard. That's your two opinionated fucker's.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
And we could talk our way through just about anything. Yeah,
and this just is I was like.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yeah, yeah, I am excited to see next week. I
do think that well, if Gretchen is crying now, she's
(24:54):
really going to be crying later.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Yeah, if she's upset now, I mean we do start
to see things get heated because we hear Djen go
was it biblical? And Heather isn't having that? Yeah, which
I can understand.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Sure, of course, I mean biblical. I just I mean
this has to be Yeah, I mean we all know
what this means.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yeah, we all know what this means, and it's.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Just I need to see these posts. I need to
see what they are. It sounds like they're not good.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
They're not good. So I'm a little bit confused because
when for when they show Tamar kind of showing up
the phone of what the text messages say, it's blurred?
Do you think it's gonna stay blurred the entire season
or they're gonna.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I'm sure, I'm sure. And since it's already online, you
can go and see it yourself.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I don't think that, yeah, would it's effortless to find.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
This is when you need the bloggers see. This is
when the bloggers come handy.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah, And I think they've already come in handy about
this multiple times. And so the fact that this is
just coming out is a little disturbing.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
I think happens to the rest of the group, Like,
does you know so they're these posts, they're disturbing to
the group. Obviously, Heather's going to feel I'm just going
to assume. Obviously I'm assuming one a strong way about this.
So what ends up happening to the rest? Do they
are they neutral? Do they say I agree like this
is unacceptable? Or do you know what do you.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
My guess is that they're all going to be like
this is unacceptable, right, I would just think that they would.
I mean, some of the posts that I saw, like
there's no other ways.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
It's not even a closer, it's.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Not even a close call, Like it's unacceptable.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Right, just flat out flat space.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah, okay, So I think that, you know, moving forward,
you know, we're going to have to go through the reunion,
but my I mean, I feel like the next step is,
you know, we're going back into like you know, the
beginning of the season where like oh these are fake
or this didn't happen, or this isn't real or this
isn't you.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Know, do you think that she's going to say that.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah, I don't think she's going to take accountability, do you.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Well, how do you defend something that's been out for
a few years? Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Like, yeah, that's just my guess. I don't know, But like,
I don't think she's going to say I don't think
especially without like.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Hey yes I did this, or and I feel badly
about it, or hey I did this and that's how
I feel now. I don't think that she will Emily
says that she can't trust the screenshot because it's tamor
showing it. I think that's just Emily being a lawyer. Yeah,
that's just Emily. You know, Emily's trained to, you know,
(28:00):
look at the shit from an objective point of view.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah, she's like, and it's sentuntil proven guilty. But like
at this point, anybody can delete or do whatever of
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
I want to see these posts. I want to see
what this is because I just I don't know what
I'm what I'm answering for, you know, I just don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Before next week, we'll we'll do a little reading, reading
up on them so that we make sure that we
know exactly what.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I'm interested to see these women's reactions to this.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yeah, if they're going to be flip floppy, if they're
going to be.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Do you know what they just stop talking to her?
Did they stop talking to her?
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Like? Is that I don't know. I didn't hear, like
how they stopped talking to Katie. I didn't, right, Like
That's what I'm kind of asking, Like, I don't know
if that happened.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Did they kind of just stop talking to Gretchen? Like
they stopped talking to Katie.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
I wonder if they were ever really talking to Gretchen
this entire season like they were, you think, who.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Well, look Jen clearly.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Well obviously Jen talks to everybody.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
But yeah, but I'm saying, like, yeah, I'm sure that
they you know, how the show goes. Of course they're talking,
just not like they don't talk to you. But I'm talking,
I'm sure even if it's just simple shit. Yeah, just
simple stuff. I'm not saying that you're getting on the
phone and you know, socializing, but you do have simple conversations.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
You know, you do have interaction, believe it or not
outside of.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
I just wonder how much they have.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Probably, well, I think it varies upon who it is. Yeah,
and certainly once these texts come out, they're all going
to put themselves at greater distance from her. I'm just
wondering this is going to do.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
This isn't going to make you want to trust her more?
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
I don't think it endears her to anybody, and I
don't I haven't even seen them, so neither. I don't know.
All right, Well, I mean more to be seen. I
do I want to say to the ldies of Orange County.
I really admire you guys getting in the bathing suits
and getting in the hot tubs on the canals. I
(30:08):
know what it's like to shoot those things, and good job.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Because that was that's where we can give ours.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I really do. I give my kudos this week for
getting in those hot tubs on those boats. That's not easy.
It's a pain in the ass to do, and it's
it's kind of like it's a big ask. And they
all did it, and they all did it, and they
all just you know, and they made shit happen, which
I always appreciate about this cast.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah, so we can appreciate them for that, and then
I think next week will be a lot more exclusive
for us to talk about exclusive.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
All right, thanks guys, Thanks guys,
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