The Eds: unEDited Wife Swap Edition: Shawn Trujillo

Would you ever switch your lavish lifestyle to live completely off grid? Angie from Real Housewives of Salt Lake City did for Wife Swap with her husband Shawn! 

Shawn gets candid with Eddie and Edwin which he prefers filming, housewives or wife swap?

Plus, would he be able to handle certain bathroom situations the same way Angie did in Idaho?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the EDS with Eddie Judge and Edwin Ado Yave.
Welcome back to the Eds. My name is Eddie Judge,
I have my co host, and we have a guest
that's been on our show before. His name is Sean Turillo.
Hei guys, welcome back. Sean. We are gonna continue our

(00:22):
episodes of white Swap with the house husbands. Were really
interested to hear on your side. I got to see
the show this last week when it aired, and it
was it was a lot of fun to watch Angie
struggle with such an opposite lifestyle that she lives, and
you know, it was even more fun to watch how

(00:43):
you guys live in that beautiful home and your dynamics
as a family and your great relationship with your daughter,
and how cool this whole experience was. I mean, I honestly, Sean,
I enjoyed watching it. I enjoyed watching you. You were
so cool, so relaxed, so like in control.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
And thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
I know that they edit stuff out that you know
should and shouldn't be on show, but they made you
life good brother.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Well thanks, yeah, I appreciate it. Yeah they did a
good job.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah yeah, I was really entertained. So let's get started.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Sure.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yeah, Sean, what what actually made you say yes to
the show? You and angew it actually made you guys
say yes?

Speaker 2 (01:25):
You know, for us, it was kind of a no brainer,
you know when they asked us to do the show.
You know, obviously they got in touch with Angie and said, hey,
we've got this opportunity, and you're one of the first
people that we thought of. And you know, just like
anything else, we're usually game to do whatever. So you know,
it was plus, you know, just a curiosity to kind

(01:47):
of learn how, you know, somebody else lives their life
and to see if there's any uh, you know, juxtapositions
in terms of what the way they do things versus
the way we do things. And you know, we're we're
lifelong learners, so we're always we're always into kind of
you know, we're up for the task and we're always
into kind of learning new things.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
So that's rightesome, that is awesome. You know. We had
Joe Gorga on the show last last week or two
weeks ago, and remember and it was so much fun
hearing him talk about the whole experience. One of the
biggest questions we had, you know, because the interesting dynamic
here is you and Angie have that awesome relationship where

(02:30):
you guys can do a lot of things together. You
obviously have a business together. Joe and Melissa spend a
lot of time together and they have great dynamics in
their relationships. And I think I have the same thing
with my wife, but I would I don't think i'd
ever wife swap, not even for four days. I don't
know if I could deal with that, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
I think it all depends on who you get. We
ended up plucking out, so, you know, but I think
it could go the opposite direction too. Gosh.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
I can't imagine, like if you would have had the
complete opposite of or let's say Angie on steroids, right,
Because what I learned about Angie is she's very well organized.
You know, she gets shit done. Obviously. It resembles a
lot of what makes you guys successful. That she doesn't
let anything sit right yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
And and to think, okay, what what if? Because one
of the biggest questions I don't know if you remember this,
d one, but we asked Joe like, what was the
first thing that went to buying? And I thought, what
if she's going to some billionaire's house and she's just
going to be, you know, flying across the ocean to
France to have lunch and come home, Like is she

(03:47):
going to come back?

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Right?

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Right? You know that I did wonder that myself, and
I was like, well, you know, if if she does
and he's a billionaire, it but you know, just no
give backs, you know, you can have her.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
No warranty right right? Sold as is yep, yep.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
Who's more nervous about the switch?

Speaker 2 (04:19):
You know, I don't think either of us were that
that nervous. I think she probably her though, if I
were to guess, I mean, I was just kind of
up for whatever. But you know, she she was worried
about this opposite thing, and she kinda She's like, gosh,
what if I'm in the middle of the country or
what if I'm you know, the opposite like with the

(04:41):
billionaire or whatever. And she did end up in the
middle of nowhere, and uh, you know, I think she
was you know, Angie's always game for anything, but you know,
made her nervous for sure to find out where she
was going living off grid.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Well, I can't imagine what was going through her head
when she was standing there looking at the house and
absolutely no grass, you know, no running water.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
How about that toilet, that.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Toilet, the outside bathtub, I mean that is roughing it.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, it's brutal.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Now, I have a big question for you. If the
roads were reversed and you were in her shoes, how
do you think you would have handled her situation?

Speaker 4 (05:27):
Toilet?

Speaker 2 (05:29):
You know, I grew up kind of an outdoorsman. You know,
my my, we went hunting, we did all that stuff.
So you know, I'm no stranger to roughing it a
little bit. Yeah, and you know, me and electric we
still go. I mean, we've got a nice motor home
that we use nowadays. But you know, we like campfires
and we we have the ability to get through those things.

(05:49):
I think the biggest thing, that the biggest challenge I
would have had was that toilet. Changing that toilet, that
was my god, that would have been the worst thing
for me.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
I mean even the toilets in the RV are luxury
compared to what she had to do.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, you don't have to see anything, you know. You know,
it's just it disappears, you know, there's it kind of
works on the modern in a modern way these days.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
How funny how funny. Yeah, so I did. Really, another
thing I wanted to mention is I did enjoy watching
the dynamics between you and your daughter and Angie. You know,
what I learned from the show is that Angie spends
a lot of time just doing stuff, getting stuff done,
which takes away from time together as a family, right,

(06:38):
But the fact that you are there to take up,
you know, the support for your daughter. I find nothing
more valuable or more needed in this world than spending
time with your kids. Quality time with your kids, you know.
And if parents are always working because they have to
or because they want to or whatever, I think it

(07:00):
affects the kid's future, you know.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
And I just found it so awesome that you guys
spend so much time together and do so many things.
And she's so cool, She's just like so chill. She
went with the whole thing. She had a few funny things,
as she said, and it was really fun to watch.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Well, thank you. Yeah, I mean, obviously she's my favorite
person to be with you and and uh, you know,
we we have a lot in common. You know, Edwin
knows she's she's a on the National Equestrian Jumping Circuit
and you know, I was raised with horses, and you know,

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I get to relive my childhood through her eyes, albeit
a different discipline. But you know, we we just have
tons of fun together. We we joke around a lot.
We have a blast, you know. But you know, as
far as Angie goes, like, you know, she she does
stay busy. But you know, I'm just gonna paint the picture.
When Angie's you know, wiping off the count her she's

(08:00):
also talking on the phone to Mary or Heather or
something like that. So when I get things done, it's
done in like five seconds. When she does something, it
takes her like ten minutes because you know, she's talking
on the phone, and she's moving around, and she's you
know kind of like her mind's kind of going and

(08:21):
and so you know, it's one of those things.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
That's hilarious because my wife would do the same thing,
and she would justify it as multitasking. She gives me
a hard time all the time because I can't do
two things more than two things I want. It drives
me nuts.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Right, I'm the same way.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Yeah, And I've read many studies and articles about this
whole multitasking bullshit. I think it is bullshit, because, like
you said, you just made a perfect point. You might
be talking on the phone getting stuff done better, it'll
take you an hour to wipe the car.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
So that's funny. That's funny. Let's talk about you, your
temporary wife, Lindsay Lindsay, right, Yeah, I really I.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
Really liked there.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
I think I thought, you know, I saw a very
down to earth like, humble person coming into your lifestyle
and not necessarily judging, but looking at all these amazing
things that you guys have in your life, that she
would be like, I can live without that. I can
live without that, I can live without that.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
Right.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
What do you think was going through her head when
she was like staying with you guys, the real thing,
like not the TV stuff, right?

Speaker 2 (09:35):
You know, she was super cool, you know, just she's
very very shy, you know, so you know there were
moments where it was kind of hard to sort of
I guess have that back and forth. But you know,
I think she warmed up and you know, being on camera,
I mean we had nineteen hour days, you know, and

(09:55):
it was just like, I mean, you guys know how
it is. Cameras every where they did the still cameras
in the house and outside of the house things like that,
so it was like you couldn't really go anywhere without
being filmed. And you know, while we're used to that
kind of thing, she was totally like, oh my gosh,
did I say something that wasn't you know, cool or whatever.

(10:20):
So she was kind of worried about how she may
have been viewed or may have been edited or whatever.
But you know, she is such a nice person. They're
they're just such a great family and we couldn't have
lucked out in a better way, you know. So we
had a great time. I think she kind of saw

(10:41):
the things that Angie does and the things that are
kind of part of her daily routine as you know,
well you know, not as not necessary. You know, it's
just like, okay, you know, these guys are are really
focused on just kind of living and haveing to to

(11:02):
it takes a lot of work to provide for their
families and to you know, just do simple daily things,
you know. So I think she saw a lot of
this situation is maybe there's a bit of excess and
and you know, and I empathize with that. I see it,

(11:23):
you know, I see it myself, you know, just walking
around the house like, oh god, do you know, it's like,
there's five bottles of pellegrino on the table right now,
and it's like, I know, Electra's the only one that
drinks it right now, so it's like, why are there
five open bottles? Right? And you start you start, you know,
the register starts clicking and it's like gosh, and then

(11:47):
I start drinking them, you know what I mean, So
we're not waste them exactly. So I certainly see what
she's what she was going seeing and what she was
thinking and that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
So she was right.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
She was very very cool.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
I found it fascinating that you guys got the opportunity
to experience complete opposite lifestyles, right Like, you guys are
living in luxury and they're living in in minimal and
working their butt off every day. That's like. And one
of the interesting things they said is like it's their

(12:32):
daily gym. They go to the gym. They haul water
like Edwin. They were these were five gallon water buckets
that they had to go down the mountain to fill
and carry up to the house and dumping a fifty
gallon water container so that they have running water for
dishes and stuff like that, and drinking water. I mean

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hard work, hard.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Hard work. And you know, I mean what we turn
on the faucet and get they have to they have
to haul it, just like Eddie said, and you know,
it becomes a thing that you really have to think about.
It's like, okay, you know, I can't waste this otherwise
I have to go to the stream, fill up this
bucket and bring it back up.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
You know.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Yeah, So what do you think she she What do
you think she loved most about your home?

Speaker 2 (13:27):
You know, I I would say, just you know, the
things that we take for granted, you know, the running water,
the toilets, you know, things like that. I mean, you know,
we have a lady that comes every week and cleans
our house, and you know there are things like that
that I think, you know, she would probably she probably

(13:48):
would think about and think, God, that that would be
pretty cool, you know what I mean. And but but
on the flip side of it, it's like, you know,
to just be able to walk into your place and
just throw your boots on the ground and you know
as where we you know, on the carpet on the
floor mat before you walk in. No, she you know

(14:08):
what I mean. So there are a lot there are
a lot of freedoms that that she has that that
we don't necessarily have or or that we're mindful of.
And then you know the things that I think she
would appreciate her just the the simple necessities that we
take for granted, like electricity for example, you know, they
use solar and and all that stuff, and and just

(14:31):
the running water.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Yeah, did you ever ask her like, would you go
back to living on the grid or do you have
any future desires to live on the grid or was
that never a subject of conversation.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
No, we definitely, we definitely had a conversation about that.
But what their plan is is to just kind of
upgrade what they have. They want to they want to
build it all out in the current dwelling to where
you know, they have all the modern you know things
that the necessities, the running water, you know, a good

(15:09):
electrical grid, you know, like a higher powered solar system,
things like that. So their idea is to continue to
upgrade where they're at so they have those things.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, Now it didn't reflect on the show, but Tamar
asked me this question, and I don't know how to
answer it, like do they do they not go to
work or is their job like taking care of the
house and the kids daily.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
No, they have a they have a pretty cool small business.
They have a fishing gear company, so so they have
their own brand of poles and taxs and like you know,
just hats and all kinds of fishing gear. That's that's,
you know, and they do it all from casting rods

(15:57):
to fly fishing rods and and things like that. I
think recently, just over the last couple of weeks, they've
they've entered a bicell agreement with a partner, so they're
looking at some in that company and then kind of
pivoting to something else. But you know, they they have
had this company for a while now and for them, yeah, yeah,

(16:19):
so they're entrepreneurs on top of it.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
You know.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
That's so cool.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah, that's pretty cool Edwin.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Have you ever aspired to live off the grid like that?

Speaker 3 (16:28):
No, I think I'd be the worst outdoor person ever.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Have you camped or done any of that?

Speaker 3 (16:37):
I've done glamping, glamping, have never camped. Not made out
for camping and vote and I grew up pretty rough.
But camping, I that's just not my thing. Yeah, yeah, so,
but I appreciate people that can do it. That's why
I'm I'm in awe of all this. It's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Before I met Tamra, I was like you and I said, Leo,
there's the four seasons I am not going. And when
she got me out to the desert and I got
hooked on the desert toys and you know, one of
the one of the most amazing experiences I enjoy about
camping is sitting there around the fire and just staring
at the fire and listening to the crackle of the

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fire and just letting my mind calm down and not
think about anything other than what's in front of me.
It's the most peaceful experience I could I could think
of when it comes to camping.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yeah, it's almost a meditative experience, you know, when she's
kind of hanging out, just you know, you can think
freely and no distraction.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yeah. Yeah, I don't know any other way of getting that,
because I do know, and I understand the whole transcendental
meditation and the value of it, but I I just
can't do it yet.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
It's tough for me too.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
By the way, what was easier to film Housewives are
Over the wive swap.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
I was curious about that too.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Well, you know, I think you know, I'll speak for myself.
I mean Housewives was easier because you know, I'm I'm
I have limited uh, I guess exposure on that show,
you know this one, Like I said, you know, we
had we had long days and it was just you're
you're up at you know, six thirty seven am and
you're going until the sun goes down. So you know,

(18:26):
it was a lot more rigorous and there was a
lot more I think a lot more expected, you know,
from me specifically, but I think Angie would say the
same thing too. I mean, even though you know the Housewives,
you know she's filming a ton and she's doing a lot.
But I think just the mere fact that you know,
there was just that those big days, you know, without

(18:47):
any break in between or whatever, it was was much tougher.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Guys, that does sound like a horrible day, you know.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah, I mean it was a great experience, don't get
me wrong, but you know, we were we were tired
by the end of the day.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
I bet I did also appreciate watching you do her
hair and giving her the makeup or the like makeover.
That was pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
She pulled me out of retirement.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, so could see you in action. Thanks?

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Thanks. Yeah, I mean I haven't done that you know
stuff for quite a while now, but you know, like
I said, I still keep my hands kind of in
it with with like Electra or whatever. But yeah, she
definitely pulled me out of retirement on that one.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Now, they didn't show at least I don't remember if
they showed you guys actually getting your hands dirty in
the fish cleaning? Did you get did you get to
do that, did Electra get to do that? Or were
you guys just watching.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
I got to do it. You know, it's something that
I was familiar with, so it was kind of easy
for me to just kind of go in and and
do what, you know, what I've been raised to do. Basically,
you know, we did We've done a lot of fishing
and stuff like that as as we grew up in
my household. But yeah, I got my hands dirty.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
Your daughter get into it or she's no.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
She was just like no, thanks, you know, I'm good.
You know, right when she was about to kind of
you know, when the Lindsay was going to try to
talk her into it, Marry walked in, so r he
kind of diverted that attention to to whatever she was doing.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
So yeah, and you know, I appreciate the fact that
Mary came in and you know, kind of observed what
was going on while her best friend was you know,
yeah right rough in it.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
It was.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
She was genuinely concerned about both of us. You know,
She's like, I'm gonna go see what Shawn's up to,
and then you know, we need to see if we
need to go save Angie.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, that's hilarious and funny because I have some friends
that do the same thing, Like when my wife goes travels,
they're like, would you like to come over for dinner?
You know, we can do this, we can do that.
I'm like, I'm not incompetent, you know, I could take
care of myself, right, but I you invited me over.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Well, it's nice that we have people to keep an
eye on us, right.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
Yeah. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
I also saw that you guys were making a garden.
I can't tell you how much I want to do that.
I just you know, living in a community association where
I live, and you know, I want to have chickens,
but you know, it will get kicked out if from
our joy if we writ chickens. But I just love
that whole part of living on the land, you know,

(21:38):
just as much and as little as possible. Like I
would never have cows, as much as I love cows,
but I when it comes, when it would come to, like,
you know, slaughtering them, I couldn't do it. Yeah, yeah,
it just couldn't do it. So but I I don't
even know if I could do a chicken if I
had to, But I think I would appreciate the fact
that i'd have, you know, some chickens, laying some AIGs,

(22:00):
some garden, creating some vegetables and fruits. What kind of
what kind of vegetation did you guys grow?

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Well, you know, it's one of those things too. Like
in our last house we had a little garden we
kind of do kind of the Greek necessities, you know,
like the cucumbers, the tomatoes, you know, the onion stuff
like that. And then when we moved to this house,
we haven't really had a chance to like get you know,
that thing going. So it was a it was great

(22:29):
to actually just kind of do this small box garden
that she recommended we do, and gosh, it didn't ended
up being on. I mean, we do a lot of
Greek salads, and you know it was cool to just
be able to walk out in our backyard grab whatever
we needed and then just bring it to the table.
So you know, that was that was one of the

(22:49):
highlights for me, and it was just kind of one
of those ongoing highlights that we could just go and
do that every day.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah, and I truly believe it. It teaches your children
and the value of real food, you know, absolutely, because
if they never see where food comes from, they think, oh,
everything comes out of a box. You know, let us
out of a box, right, It just sort that way.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Well it's like you know, you go eat you know,
at a restaurant or whatever. I don't really eat tomatoes
if they're not out of the gard They just don't
taste like anything. So it was good to just get
this natural product out of the ground and you know,
have it taste the way it should taste. And you
know it was it was great.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
And then you're absolutely right if you can taste it,
you once, you'll never forget that. My wife and I
were at our big Bear house over the weekend and
we just took the dog for a walk, and we
walked by this house that had this tree with all
these apples on it, and they looked, you know, regular
sized apples. So I said, you know, I'm gonna grab one.

(23:51):
And I think she did a little video clip for Instagram,
because nothing happens in my household that doesn't make it
on Instagram, right. So I pulled the apple, you know,
cleaned it off with my shirt and all that, took
a bite and holy cow, it tasted so damn good.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
I like apples, but like lately they have tasted more
like water than apples. Yeah, and it's it's amazing what
natural nature really can't provide without all these chemicals.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yep, it's just you know, it's completely different.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
So are you guys keeping up with the garden?

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah, we kept it up and you know, starting to
get cold here. I had to clean it out last week.
But you know, we we kept it going through the
summer and we had plenty to to utilize everything that
we planted and and you know, we basically used it all.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
So oh cool.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
That was great.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Sean. By the way, where did you you know you
you have obviously the cosmetology hair salon background, right, yeah,
and then you have this outdoor background that normally is
and they normally don't go together, right right, Horses cosmetatic
like that normally doesn't.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
Go together, right, Yeah, they don't. What do they think
that from you?

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Well? You know, I mean it was one of those
things where you know, I was always still kind of artistic,
like I love the paint, you know, and I loved
you know, fashion, you know, to a degree. You know,
I cared about, uh, you know, the way I looked
stuff like that. But and I always had that growing up.

(25:31):
I probably picked that up from my mom because she
always looks perfect, you know what I mean. It's like
I've never seen her without makeup or done up, and
you know, I think that rupped off. But you know,
it definitely doesn't go together. And the crazy thing is
is when I was like nineteen, I started dating a
hairdresser and she's like, man, you should think about doing

(25:51):
this because I was raised in construction, and you know
if after a year year and a half, I thought,
you know, this could be cool, you know what I mean.
I saw a documentary on somebody that this is this
guy that was working on supermodels and stuff like that.
I'm like Okay, that could be really good, you know.

(26:12):
So Mitchell, well, yeah, his name happened to be John
sa Hog. He was an editorial stylist back in the day.
And you know, I went signed up for school and
I knew. I knew the first day this is this
was my thing.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
So that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah, And you know, you do you deal with the stereotypes,
you know, working in that business, you know. But the
strange thing is is, you know, from day one, I
always had a girlfriend or something like that. But you
still deal with it, and you know, you get to
the point where you don't really care. You know, I'd
rather I'd rather do that than mix cement, you know

(26:52):
what I mean, so for a living, So you know,
I really didn't care what people thought, you know. I
just I feel so lucky, you know, over the last
thirty years, thirty two years, that I've been able to
wake up and love what I do.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
One of the things I do to keep myself humble
is I haven't done it in a while, but I
go back to the neighborhoods where I grew up and
they're nowhere near where what neighborhood we live in now, right,
So it helps me kind of stay humble and realize
that I've struggled and this is where I used to live,

(27:37):
and I look at the apartment where I grew up.
It's literally as big as my office, right, It's crazy. Yeah,
So having that balance you know, of I mean, I
won't I've never done it, but I can't imagine working
and hauling horses around is easy work. I'm sure it's
a lot of hard work. So unless you have you know,

(28:02):
seventeen staff members doing it all for you, you really
don't get the gist of what that culture is about.
And the experience of being around horses is about right, right.
So I love that balance you have where you still
kind of ref it, but you also enjoy the luxuries
of life, and I believe that helps us stay humble

(28:23):
right to understand and not just see, but feel what
it's like not having anything.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
You know, it's true, you know, and you see, you know,
you hear it all the time. You know. It's like
people with new money can be a nightmare because they
forget about you know, they try to block out the
past and then some of the trials and some of
the things that tested them, you know, through their early

(28:51):
life or whatever. But you know, for me, I much
like you, I do the same thing. I go visit
my old house, I drive through my old neighborhood, I
go look at my old church, stuff like that, And
I think it really does just kind of bring you
back to center, right, and I think it brings you
back to a place of gratitude for sure. You know,

(29:15):
from day one, you know, I've always had to work
for what I have. You know, my parents, you know,
were entrepreneurs. There were ebbs and flows, and sometimes there
was a little bit more, and then sometimes there wasn't anything.
So you know, I knew if I if I wanted
a new bike or a new skateboard or some new shoes,

(29:36):
that I had to go out and figure out a
way to do it, you know what I mean. So,
and to this day, if there's a penny on the ground,
I won't walk over it. I pick it up and
I kiss it and I put it in my pocket.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Yeah, my own wife always says, you know, we don't
live in in the ghetto anymore. A penny is a penny, man,
even if it was a half a dam Yeah, that's dirty.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Don't pick it up now. I'm picking it up and
I'm kissing it and I'm putting it in my pocket.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Because you know what the value of copper is right now?

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Yeah, right, right, amazing how that stuff changes, Right.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Hey, Edwin, how do you stay humble?

Speaker 4 (30:17):
I mean I think the same thing.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
So I'd love looking at like going back, and uh,
you know, I still hang out with like all my
buddies that I grew up with. In fact, I just
took them to the Dodger game for the Championship series.
It was like six of us and and then we
ran into three other guys that we grew up with,
and just you know, those childhood friends, I mean, to me,
the the For whatever reason, I was telling them this

(30:40):
the other day, some of my best experiences were with them.
And I think as a child, because you really had
no worries back then, even though it was this humble
beginnings for me, Like I didn't have to worry about work.
I just was out there playing, having a good time
with the with the boys. Yeah, but stuff like that,

(31:02):
Like for me, the humility has always been sort of
for I've always felt like it could all be taken away. Yeah,
in a second, one bad move and it's all gone.
And I think That's why I've never taken it for granted,
you know, yep, and knowing what that other side tastes
like as well, Right, I want one bad movie, You'll
go back to that lifestyle.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
So, you know, funny funny thing is, I've always told
myself I've been there. If I lose it all and
i have to start over, it's not a big deal
because I've done it before. And this was, you know,
most of my mentality growing up the last thirty years,
trying to make you know, something of myself. And today

(31:44):
I'm like, I don't want to start over. Fuck that,
I don't want to go backwards anymore.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
The good part is you know where you you know
that you can you know, and I think, you know,
three of us guys here like we know we could
what if we had to, although we don't. But I
think a scarier place is preservation mode. You know, you
don't want to be so scared to take risks that
you know you're you're not in creative mind and building

(32:14):
something right, So but you know, it is great to
know that we could do it if we had to.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
One of the things that I've appreciated over the years
has been, you know, when I first met Teddy, I
lived in the big house. It was probably six thousand
square feet, and I started staying at Teddy's condo, which
was like eight hundred square feet, right, And I found it,
like I enjoyed going from a big house to a

(32:42):
smaller condo. It's just something about waking up and just
being able to just go to the kitchen, like, yeah,
it's pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
Right.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
And similarly, now, like the girl I'm dating, same things,
she lives in a nice little condo and it's nice
to just be able to just go and everything's right,
right it versus a big house. It simplifies things, right,
simplifies things to be said about it. I feel a

(33:11):
lot of peace, yeah, in in that.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
So that's I got a funny story for you guys.
The last couple of years when we bought a house
in Big Bear. It's a small little house, probably twenty
five hundred square feet, four bedrooms, and we've redone it.
And that's because Tammer just loves that's kind of like
her escape, you know, just to redo the house inside
it out, and she just loves it. So we did
a great job with this house and now we've made

(33:38):
it our own. It's very cozy. It feels like at home,
and you know, we get when we have guests over,
they love the what she's done to it. So it
feels good that her creativity is you know, appreciated.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
Right.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
So, now that we're done with that phase, we're like, well,
should we get a bigger house out here in Big Bear?
And the first thing I'm thinking, like, I'm the one
that has to clean this damn yard. Yeah, And this
last week, because of the season we're in, I had to.
I mean it's not a lot of work, but I
had to blow all the leaves and acorns off the

(34:10):
deck and just clean the damn yard. But normally I
do that when we get there and then it's done.
This last week, I was doing it every other day
because it was coming down that hard and I'm like,
I'm done with these trees. Were taking them out right.
But my thought was like, do I really want to
live up here? Because this is a lot of freaking work.

(34:30):
And then we went to a Octoberfest celebration, which is fun.
It's so unique up there because it's such a different environment.
And we met a young couple that were friends of
friends that live here in Madera and their parents own
one of the biggest houses that's near the slopes. There's

(34:50):
a street called Switzerland that's right by the slopes. Right
The actual street is a shithold. There's potholes everywhere. But
when we first moved up there, you know, we're kind
of looking around, walking around, and we walked by this
neighborhood and there's like five or six giant homes like
ten thousand square foot two acres, like you can see

(35:11):
it from the street, and you're like, who the hell
buys or owns a house that big, eight bedrooms, you know,
it's like giant. So they invited us over and sure enough,
it's that big, giant house that's for sale. It's eight bedrooms,
it's tall, tall, like twenty five thirty foot ceilings. It
was incredible to see. But what was the first thing
that I thought? Can you imagine the maintenance on this

(35:33):
fucking house?

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, no, thank you.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
I don't want it.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
It's a lot. It's never ending when you get into
that range, you know.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
And again I also appreciate and understand. You know, if
you have that kind of money, you probably not blowing
your own down.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
You know, you're probably right.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
But and it's not that I can't afford it. I
just I like doing that stuff because it makes me
feel young, right. It makes me feel like I can
when I get stiff because I haven't moved, or I
haven't exercise or I haven't worked out. You guys know
that feeling. You feel stagnant, you feel sick, you feel
like you're getting old. So I like to move and

(36:15):
do things. And that's the main reason why I do
my own kind of lawn keeping at the house in
Big Beer. First of all, there's not a lot to do.
It's just blow leaves, right and during the winter, you know,
I have gone out there and blowing the snow off
the driveway. It took me two hours. But it makes
me feel young. It makes me feel like as long

(36:36):
as I could still dig a hole or ditch with
that shovelin, I think I'm doing pretty good health wise.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
Right.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Well, I'm with you on that, you know, And it's
certainly not that you couldn't hire somebody to do it,
but you know, if you can do it, and you
can make time to do it, you feel you feel
responsible and capable, right, Like it makes sense, like if
you have the ability to fix something in your yard
or on your house. You feel capable, you know. So,

(37:06):
so I'm with you on that. I try. I try
to only hire out what I have to, right.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
I think the keyword there, Sean, is if you can.
Yeah for me, I watch those reels of like people
trying to do handyman shit and they always get hurt.
They'll fall from the ladder or some shit just happens.
I'm like, that would be me do some handyman stuff.

Speaker 4 (37:29):
I would get hurt.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Well, when you get at my advanced stage, you know,
you definitely want to stay away from a ladder if
it's over ten feet, you know for sure.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
I used to have no problem climbing trees when I
was a kid, and I didn't even think about the fall.
But now when I go up a big ladder like that,
I'm like, maybe I should hire somebody.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah. Yeah, when you hit the ground, it's going to
be a little bit different these you know, Sean, So,
did you after just going back to the show, is
there anything that you experienced on the show that you're
gonna implement now.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
With with the wife swap?

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Yeah, the household, Well, I'm definitely gonna keep that garden up.
There's no doubt about that. But you know, I think
in addition to that, you know, it's just me and
Angie coming together and seeing that you know, she doesn't
have to create so much busy work for herself. You know.
I think sometimes like at the end of the day,
you know, so so me and Electra like to sit

(38:28):
down and watch a movie or a series, you know,
at the end of the day, and it's just kind
of our way to chill. But more importantly, it's really
the only time I get to have Electra sitting right
next to me, and I love that, you know what
I mean. And it's like, even though we're watching something,
you know, we'll have a conversation about you know, a

(38:50):
scene or whatever. I'll tease her about something or you know,
if there's you know, right now, she's really into like
Cobra Kai and Stranger Things. And it's like when we're
watching that, I'm like, I'm like, so, so, who do
you have a crush on? You know, so I can
start doing things like that, you know what I mean.
And you know, it's just really a special time for

(39:14):
me because she's right next to me. I get to hugger,
I get to have my arm around her stuff like that. So, yeah,
it's such a.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
Good point Sean, by the way, in regards to busy work,
like I've found myself prior to all the stuff with
Teddy's situation, in our situation, I was always creating busy
work for myself. And one of the things that I've
learned from going through this situation is I stopped with
the busy work and I've found myself with a lot

(39:44):
more time to enjoy stuff right right. It's interesting that
you said that, because it's a very true thing, like
you just start creating busy work and you're just busy,
Like I literally would look for stuff to do or
look for wrong things, like I've got to check on
this because some be going wrong herest part and I've
just kind of let go. And it's probably so much peace.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
No, it really does. And you know, and I think
the other we get, the more more knowledge we gain
in terms of like this situation in general, not having
the busy work. It's like, you know, there's always something
that can be done or whatever, but do you need
to does it have to be done right now? And
is my special time with my daughter more important than

(40:30):
sweeping the garage or whatever. And I you know, what
I hope Angie kind of finds or has found, you know,
is is that you don't have to be doing shit
twenty four to seven, right, like, come and have a
seat with us, you know, and experience what I experience,
you know. And she's definitely been a little bit better,

(40:54):
you know, obviously you know she's airing right now, so
she's on the phone still with but you know, it's
like I think it used to drive her, not its
when she used to see us sitting there, you know,
kind of doing this thing, and it's like, look, this
is special to me. I'm not changing it. You know.
You can call me lazy whatever you want, but I'm
doing it still. Yeah, so I'll get I'll get my

(41:16):
shit done, you know.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Because it takes us five seconds, you know, five minutes.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Yeah, you do that five minutes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Well, I appreciate the scene where I think you guys
were on the couch and you're invited to come watch
TV with you and she looks back. Angie looks back
and goes, I got a good d laundry, and I
gotta do this and I gotta do that, Like, oh
my god, what a great scene.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Yeah. Well, you know, it's funny because that scene, you know,
she's spraying off the counter and I'd done up five
minutes before that. It's like, all right, whatever, that happens
a lot, you know, it's just like, dude, I just
did that.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
One of the things that I remember was said on
the show was that she wanted to at the end
of this experience, wanted to wanted you guys to really
miss her and and and appreciate how much she does
for you. And how how accurate or or how how

(42:27):
was that after she had, you know, been to the
farm and came back. How was that effective in her thought?
Or did she completely decide, you know what, that's not
what I want my kids or my family to do.
It's miss me while I'm gone. Does that make sense?
Does that question make sense?

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yeah? Yeah, so, you know, I mean, here, here's the thing.
Here's the thing about this, this this whole process was
like it was pretty fast. I think it was over
three or four days is yeah, and we were grinding
the whole time, you know what I mean. So, so
like it seemed like it was so quick there really

(43:12):
wasn't enough time to to think about like oh I
miss Angie or anything like that, you know, I think so,
I think it was a little bit too fast.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Now.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Had it been like you know the old wife swap
days where they go for like a couple of weeks,
I think that would have given us a big enough
break to actually, Okay, we need mom back now, because
you know, although I think I would have had a
great experience either way. You know, there's something about getting
back into your routine and it's like, Oh, can't wait

(43:44):
for Angie to get back and I can go and
do my thing, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
So, was there one or two or three things that
in the short period of time you were apart that
you wish, like you realize, oh, I do miss this
about her other than her presence, right, you know, what
was that one thing, if any, that you remember, like
I wish Angie was here?

Speaker 2 (44:10):
No, I mean, you know you mentioned the biggest thing,
and I think her presence, you know, is always missed.
You know, her humor, Lindsay Lindsay, although I think she's
got a great sense of humor, I think she was
just kind of a deer in headlights in the process,
So you didn't see a lot of that but you

(44:30):
know the sense of humor and and just you know,
I think Elector would tell you she would miss eavesdropping
on the conversations that she's having with Mary or or
Heather one of those girls, because I think that's always
fun for Electra to kind of want to be a
part of you.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Know, that's funny.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
What was it like meeting the family? The Flake family?
You guys had a watch party, right, What was that like?

Speaker 2 (44:57):
We did? Yeah, we had a watch party.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
Was that the first time I met the husband?

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Yeah? Yeah, that was the first time I'd met the
husband and kids, and it was awesome. Like, you know,
when Angie came back, she just she just fell in
love with the kids, and she loved Tanner, you know,
just such a great guy, just a you know, just
a good old boy. Yeah, and you know, she really

(45:21):
really fell in love with those guys. And when she
told me that they were going to come and do
this watch party, I was like, and spend the night
at our house. I was like, oh, that's you know,
for a minute, they're actually going to spend the night, Okay,
all right, cool, I get that. And then you know,
they got here and they're just a warm just They've

(45:41):
got a very healthy, dynamic family dynamic. They all work
together daily and and it shows in their relationship, you know.
So we had a blast. It was fun to have
him here, and I have him here over and over again.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
That's so cool. I remember unseen where I think you
had to do with the rules. And Angie took them
all out to dinner because she couldn't eat at home anymore.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
She didn't want any more ox tail.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
You didn't want any more oxtail? Yeah, no thanks, And
then she gave the kids ice cream or an ice
cream Sunday or something like that, and they're like, it's
not good for us, but it was so good, right,
And they're young, they're little kids like thinking like that already,
Like I am not putting chunk in my body, I
mean exactly. You know they're going to be pretty healthy.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Yeah. They truly live off the land. You know. If
you can cool, you can kill it, pick it out
of the ground, or pull it off a tree. That's
what they do. You know.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
So did you.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Were you surprised or confirmed when you saw them, you know,
the family over did you understand Lindsay a little bit
better now that you saw the family dynamics when you
guys did that watch party?

Speaker 2 (46:56):
No, you could definitely, you know, I definitely had a
better understand you know, I think I had my head
wrapped around it. But when you see them together, you
can you know there's just something special there that they
really have together. And like I said, I think it's
you know, it's one of those things where they wake
up together and then they do everything throughout the day

(47:19):
together and you know, it really just it definitely builds
like a lot of I don't know, I think there's
a lot of love and a lot of character, and
you know, they they they're a great family.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
Did you do the watch party at your house?

Speaker 2 (47:34):
We did? Yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
We make them take off their shoes.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
You know. You know what's funny is they do that anyway.
We don't make you know, if we're gonna have people over,
we don't. We never tell people to do that, you know.
But the boy they walk in, they drop their shoes,
and you know, they're so polite, well mannered and just
great people.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Yeah, I could see how strong the family can be
when they're going through what they're going through. Not that
they have to, but by choice, right, they made a
choice to do this together because we all have a choice.
And the thing that stuck out was they have a
choice to just simplify their life and make their family

(48:17):
core unit the most important thing, because one thing I
learned about having a gym is when you experience something
hard like a spartan race or even in the CrossFit world,
right when you experience something really really tough in life
like picking up something heavy, or for that matter, if
you go hunting and you kill a big giant animal,

(48:40):
you bond with that person and you have this life experience.
And that's what this family has been doing together to
build that core strength of their family. Right right, they
could easily make a right turn and live off their
business and go spend a bunch of money on how
and struggle like most of America live on debt and

(49:02):
all that, But that's not the same. That doesn't build
the core unit of the relationship that you need to
be a strong family. Like I doubt they'll ever get
divorced because they're so strong, And I doubt the kids
will ever stop talking to them or hate them because
they made them go through this. You know that the
strength and experience they had together as a family, I

(49:26):
think is gonna build for the rest of their lives.
They're gonna they're gonna kids, are gonna get older, They're
gonna look back and like, yeah, I grew up in
a farm kind of you know, living off the land,
and now I'm a you know, financial executive making a
ton of money, But I appreciate where I came from, right.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I agree. I think I think
the bond is definitely different when you're with your family
twenty four to seven. You know, it's like, you know,
you live in the routine that we live in, and
you know, I drop Electra office school, and you know
what am I missing? You know what kind of like
little subtleties am I missing when she's at school, Like,

(50:06):
you know, these guys get to maybe be a part
of or overhear maybe you know, they're boys talking about
a girl or you know, or things like that. You
know that that I'm going to miss, you know, when
she's at school talking about boys with her girlfriends, right, Like,
I'm not going to be able to overhear and engage
in those conversations. So you know, there is something special

(50:27):
and I think, you know, people that choose to kind
of live that way you know, if all those children
don't do it, at least a couple of them will,
and it carries on this strong family bond, you know,
for generations.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
I think I believe too. I believe one hundred percent.
I Like one situation that comes to mind right now
is kind of what Edwin is going through. And he
has to split his time, you know, with the kids,
and I know that affects the time you miss right when,
like when you're not with the kids, even though it's

(51:02):
kind of nice to have that freedom to go do
what you're doing with yourself, you know, to to try
to get through this hard part of your life. Do
you miss those times? And how do you make up
for those times when you're not with the kids.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
Well, it hasn't happened.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
I mean it was going to happen, and then with
the situation that happened, everything was sort of changed. Now
I pretty much see them every day because I come
I typically come home around five thirty and then I
take Cruise to football practice, and when I come back,
I get to hang out with the kids. Oh it's
almost like I'm here from like five thirty to nine,

(51:42):
and then I go back home. So I'm seeing them
every day. So but I know before that, you know,
we were planning the whole seven days in s out.
We never got to that part, so I still haven't
really you know, but like that said, like I was
able to go away for a weekend. You know, I'm
still able to do like those kind of things, but I.

Speaker 4 (52:03):
Used to do that before.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
So as far as like time schedule with the kids, like,
none of that is really changed yet, although as Steady
gets better, we'll probably you know, start going that route again.

Speaker 4 (52:17):
But obviously right now, the main thing is making sure
she's healthy.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Right.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
But yeah, and Sean, I had a question for you,
just kind of back to what you said earlier about
housewives being a little tougher for you. Then I'm sorry
how a wife swap being tougher than the housewives because
in housewives you're not sort of the main character.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
You don't have as much dialogue. It's part of that.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
And part of the question is my own experience was
you know, when I was on Housewives, I was so
worried about what I didn't want to say the wrong thing,
so I.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
Just chose to stay quiet because.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
I'm like, man, if I say something wrong, my business
is gonna you know, go downhill or people off, and
what if I pissed some of the wives off that
work that that work with where their husbands work with me.
You know, I was in my head in that, so
I just chose to stay quiet. Was that one of
the reasons why I was sort of tough? Like did

(53:14):
you have to like second guess what you were going
to say? Were you're in your head like that or
was that well you pretty just open with the whole. Hey,
I'm I'm I'm the star of the show here.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
I got to speak up and I got to do
some stuff, you know, I got to perform, perform.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
You know. It's interesting, you know when you choose to
to kind of dive into this TV thing, like like
initially you think, you know, I do I have to
be careful, but you know I thought for myself, like
you know, first season of Housewives, I was like, I
just got to be me.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
You know.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
And I think at the end of the day, you
get criticism, right, so you're damned if you do, and
you're damned if you don't. And you know, and I
just told Angie, like we have disagreement that we're just
going to be authentic no matter what you know, so
and you know not to say that you don't second
guess yourself in a certain scene or whatever. But you know,

(54:11):
screw it. You know, we're in this information age where
you know, even if if you do say something or
maybe behave in a certain way, I mean, shit, within
twenty four to forty eight hours, they're onto the next
dramatic thing. So you know, for me, I was just like,
I'm just gonna be me. You know, that's it. Like
what you see is what you get. If you like it, great,

(54:32):
If you don't, I'm too old to care.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
You know. That takes a lot of pressure off, for sure.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Yeah, it does. I just you just got to do
your thing.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
And that's funny you say that, because that was the
exact same mentality I had going into filming the show
the first time, The Housewife show. Yeah, and I normally
I don't learn very quick when it comes to relationships.
I don't know why, but there's sometimes I learned really
really fast, and in this particular instance, I learned really

(55:03):
really quick that it doesn't matter what I say, you know,
going back to Edwin's point, like I don't want to
say the wrong thing because it might affect me. What
I learned is it's how it's edited. So you could
say the right thing at the right time to be
the perfect guy, but somehow they willk you. I don't

(55:25):
know how, but they have a good way of just
making you look like an asthma. So I said, all right,
I'm shutting up and I'm staying out of it.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Yeah, well, you're not going to win this, this whole
online stuff. It's like, you know, you could, you could
say the right thing ten out of ten times, and
you're still going to have trolls that just decide that
they can't stand you, right, and it's like whatever, you know.
You know.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
A funny thing is I've recently made a hard decision
that two things. I started taking time off of Instagram,
and for some reason, I don't know why, I felt
compelled to post that I'm taking a break okay in
case you guys you know, miss me for a week.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
Oh god, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Why do I have to ask permission? But the other
thing is I started really using the whole blocking tool
before they I didn't use it because it was about
having numbers, you know, followers and all that. When you
block them, it reduces it, and it was just stupid
shit to think about. Like, I don't need numbers. It's
all about engagement, right, And so I can't tell you

(56:33):
how gratifying it is to just block these idiots, these
trolls you're talking about. I mean, it feels so good.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
And even if they are not saying anything about me,
maybe they're saying something about my guests. Like when we
do our podcast and you know, we have you on
the show and somebody says, oh, he's gay.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Yeah block.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
You know, I don't need any of this negative shit,
because that's exactly how I live my life, right, you know,
when I'm around people that are negative answer is and
just hate everybody else. I don't want to be around
that absolutely blocked.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Yeah, yeah, I do it too. I do the same thing.
It's just like, you know, but what's interesting though, is
like you know, you'll click on a person who has
something negative to say, zero followers, zero post It's like,
who's trolling?

Speaker 3 (57:20):
You know.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
It's like if you're gonna, you know, put your money
where your mouth is, Like if you feel this way
about me, show me who you are. Yeah, you know
what I mean. But you know a lot of these
people It's like, who knows, maybe it's one of the
other housewives that has a troll account, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
And you know that's more common. That's coin now, you know.
And it all started in New Jersey and it's made
its way to California and the east the West coast.
But it is it is true that these guys, you know,
will create these fake accounts just just just to harass you, right.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
Yeah, yeah, bananas. I don't understand that mentality. You know,
if I have something to say to somebody, I'll just
call them. Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, it's bizarre.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
As we wrap up, Sean, if you were allowed to
choose a wife from the Housewives, which one would you
do a swap with?

Speaker 1 (58:13):
And we don't count Are you talking Salt Lake.

Speaker 4 (58:18):
Any enfranchises?

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Yeah, except because you know we're friends.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
So gosh, you know that is something that I've never
thought about, But you know, I will say that, you know,
somebody like Meani Leaks or somebody like that would be
a riot, I think to my house or yeah it

(58:46):
could be it could be awesome, or it could be
an absolute disaster, But somebody like that would be I
think hilarious to kind of have in my house and
kind of hit her in the gym and you know,
get the leaf flower out, clean up the yard, the
you know, just stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
I could see the finding that. I could totally see
that that could be fun. Now, last question, and I
will let you go. Would you do White Sweat again?

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Oh? Definitely, you know, I think it was such a
great experience and I think even in a worst case scenario,
you're going to learn something. So I would absolutely do it.
We had a great, great time doing it.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
And yeah, absolutely, Well maybe if we can produce a
girlfriend swap show, Edwin, would you do something like that? Sure?

Speaker 3 (59:42):
It actually does sound pretty fun. I mean it's the
experience sounds pretty gnarly. It sounds pretty cool. Yeah, experience
that you know, just someone that's totally opposite of what
you are. You know.

Speaker 4 (59:53):
Yeah, but I wonder what it would be like.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
If it's not as opposite, if it's kind of similar.
You know, for instance, Uh, they swap you with dark
Kemsley or something. Yeah, you know, uh, and she comes
into your house, it's the same, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Well, you know, when I saw the Gorgas episode last night,
it was like, you know, if they swapped us with
those guys, Like it's pretty much the same, right, like
your organization the tight you know, So I don't know
if there would be a lot of story there. You know,
you have to you have to have a juxtaposition to
create that uh that story, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Yeah, right, Yeah, you're absolutely right. And and I do
see that and appreciate that of the producer as the
producers make those decisions, because otherwise it'd be like watching
paint dry. And I always say that about myself, like
I'm not good TV because I don't like drama and
I don't know how to manifest drama. My wife's really
good about it, but I don't know how to do

(01:00:55):
any of that shit.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
So yeah, the drama, and it would be the personalities,
right if you you know, you might live the same
way right now, you might have a totally different personality.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
You know, that's true. That's true. Yeah, point, I.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Could see like I think, I don't know why I'm
thinking to reap, but I could see Boston Sean around
like do this, We're gonna go do this and shot quin.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Uh no, yeah, we probably wouldn't last five minutes together.
Now that you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Mentioned it, Now, let me ask you this because obviously
I don't know about you, Edwin, but that the whole
Bravo network has been about how you know, I'm gay
and and Sean's gay, and you know the guys that
take care of themselves on TV are gay, right, and
it's mostly a gay network. So would you wife swap

(01:01:43):
with the gay couple?

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
What what I want? Swamp with the gay couple?

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
A gay married couple.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
That'd be interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
Idea. I better get my fifteen percent commission show because
that would be funny.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
That very funny. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
I mean, I've had enough gay friends in my life
that they're just so much fun. They're so funny to
be around, and they're just so easy going, right, I
think it would be a whot like maybe take them
to a biker bar to see how they act, or
they take us to a gay bar, or see how
we act. Like He's funny, right, you should be a producer.

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
This is some good ideas.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Thank you, Thank you? Anyways, do you have any questions
for us Shaw and anything else you want to say
about the show?

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
No, I just just what a great experience it was.
Thanks for having me on. I really like you guys,
and you know I feel I feel like family, you know,
and I just appreciate you guys having me on.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
Oh, it's always great having you on.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Yeah, we've had some great guests and you're on top there, like,
it's so much fun chat with you, and you know,
we were fortunate to meet you in person in San
Francisco and spend some quality time with you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Yeah, that was fun.

Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
I think that's where you really get to know the
person versus what you see on TV. Right sure, So are.

Speaker 4 (01:03:14):
You going to Brabo Khan?

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
By the way, we're trying to figure that out. We're
kind of having a hard time finding a place for
Elector to stay right now. So I think it's going
to be a last minute decision for me whether I
go or not. So we'll see, we'll see. Yet to
be determined.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
All right, Well, if you go, we look forward to
seeing you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Thank you, Thank you, appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Thanks again, Take care, guys, let's see everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
That was fun. That was a lot of fun. I
really enjoy Sean. He's such a cool guy. Just I
just like his personality and you know, the way he
handles himself.

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
Yeah, and he's one of my favorite guys. As well.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
Yeah, he's just so cool, genuine Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Parent we've again hung out in San Francisco with him,
hung out in Vegas with them. Yeah, and one of
my favorite guys from the shows.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Yeah, And I think that was a good point you
brought up, Like what if it's the same, Like if
you swap with somebody with the same lifestyle and the
same kind of life issues and challenges and goals, Like
how different would that be?

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
Yeah, the personality is everything, right, I mean, it's it's
some personalities match and some don't, you know, And I
think that's what that's what makes it fun.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
Right, Well, if you get a chance that when you
got to watch the show, it's it's going to rare
that I actually find a show that I'm actually enjoying watching,
you know, and how I watch it is not one
of them. But this show is a lot of fun.
And I really you got to watch Joe Gorga and
Melissa and there swap. I think it's going to be

(01:04:50):
very entertaining because we all know Joe, you could have
his own TV show. He's so much fun for sure.
And yeah, let's let's touch base. Do you watch it
and maybe we'll bring it up in our next podcast
and talk about it, because I really am enjoying it.
It's it's I'm gonna watch it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:08):
It seems a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Awesome. What's always great seeing you brother have a great day.
I know you got a big ye po thing going
and that's always fun. A lot of pressure.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
Yeah, it should be a fun day. And we're going
to World Series today, so.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
Oh cool, the whole the whole group orches your forum.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
Uh no, I'm actually gonna take my brother and some
executives from the from the company.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
Oh very cool.

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
So hopefully drink them again.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
We'll have a good time.

Speaker 4 (01:05:37):
Brother, brother, We'll talk to you