The Eds: unEDited with Jody Glidden (RHOM)

He may be Lisa Hochstein’s boyfriend, but there is so much more to Jody than what is shown on RHOM. 

Jody opens up about his childhood to making waves in the tech world, and how he deals with all the negative press. 

And, Jody reveals if he really is friends with Larsa’s ex, Marcus Jordan.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Eds with Eddie Judge and Edwin Adoyavi.
Welcome back, buddy.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
It's good to be back. It's been a while.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
It's been way too long. I missed you last time
in Napa. It would have been so much fun to
have you there and enjoy that moment. But there are
gonna be other future moments that we can have fun together.
In the podcast. Today we have Jody Glidden and Jody
Glinton is a veteran tech entrepreneur and co founder of
intro Hive, Postulized, split Well, and several other business ventures.

(00:32):
He is currently dating Lisa. I can't say her last name,
but everybody knows Lisa from Miami Housewives. And welcome Jody.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Great, thank you, Great to have you, Jody, Thank you
awesome again.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
So Jody, listen. I don't know if you've listened to
our podcast, but as I mentioned earlier, it's all about you, man,
So talk about your yourself as much as you'd want,
and tell us all about yourself. I think the first
question that we want to know is who is Jody
Glinton and where did you grow up? Well?

Speaker 4 (01:09):
You for sure, so I grew up in a little
town in eastern Canada and so kind of like a
little bit of a fishing and forestry town.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yeah, it was. It was. It was a nice upbringing.
I think we would, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
Play with motorcycles in the woods and you know, do
all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
It was.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
It was fun.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
At a certain point during I don't know, maybe I
was eight years old or something, my parents got me
a computer and so I ended up learning to program
do it for fun, like for a hobby, kind of
part time. And then whenever, you know, we were all
graduating high school and everybody was trying to figure what
they were going to do for their life. It was

(01:51):
the early nineties, and I started realizing, actually, you can
make a business out of this, you know, maybe maybe
I could actually make a living out of that.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
And that's how I ended up getting into tech.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
That's awesome. Sounds like the Bill Gates Steve Young story.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
Yeah, I think right place, right time, Well, wrong place,
right Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
So there was no check going on in Eastern Canada
at that time. I had to leave.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Really, you're speaking my language. Because I love the outdoors
and I wish more than anything, like my number one
thing I could do for the rest of my life
is ride my dirt bike in the woods all day long.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Oh, it was so much fun.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
And I think like so often now as parents, we
shelter our kids and don't let them get into trouble
or don't let them get hurt. But it was those
times like being out, you know, with our motorcycle or whatever,
like our little dirt bike and somebody.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
It's just like it was fun times.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, it's funny. I still try to wrap my head
around that, Like why in my generation, and I think
in Edwin's generation too, it's like, well, how are you
Jody fifty one? Yeah, you're the same generation, same same age.
So you know, we were told get the hell out
of the house, don't come back until the lights go out,
and generation like, we don't let him go anywhere. You know,

(03:02):
we got to watch every movie, We got to take
him everywhere. And it just doesn't make any sense to me.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
And actually, I think when you look at the numbers,
it's it's a much safer, you know, time that we
live in now, But we just don't see it that way.
I come back from school, I drop my book bag,
we go out playing sports and you know, get home
at like ten or eleven at night, and.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
I think if Peyton were to do that, I would
just go nut. You know.

Speaker 5 (03:26):
Yeah, when you say eastern, your Eastern Canada is that
close to Toronto or yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
I mean it's really it would be a ten hour
drive east of Toronto. And then eventually I did move
to Toronto. But yeah, Canada's just such a big land mass,
you know. It's yeah, it's kind of Toronto is kind
of north of New York, but then you can still
drive another ten or twelve hours east of there.

Speaker 5 (03:51):
Yeah, so you go from when you were born, what
took you to Toronto? And then how did you end
up in Miami?

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Well?

Speaker 5 (03:58):
That was Miami the first choice? Or did you ever
think of coming to Cali first or New York?

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Or was it straight, Hey I'm going to Toronto, I'm
going to Miami. How did that come about?

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Well?

Speaker 4 (04:06):
I started I started out creating a tech company in Fredericton,
where I did my undergrad and Fredericton New Brunswick, which
is a little, you know, a little university town sort of,
and I didn't know anything about business or anything about
raising money or any of those things. So I thought
it was a perfectly fine place to build a business,
and we were selling to all these international customers and

(04:28):
we were, you know, making a profit because we didn't
know any other way back then. And then and then eventually,
just through building tech companies, you start to realize if
you want to raise money, you kind of have to
raise money in San Francisco. And you know, there was
a little bit of money at that point starting to
come into tech in Toronto and places like that. But

(04:48):
I moved to Toronto really for my third tech company.
So I did two tech companies in Frederickton and sold them.
And then I think when I was maybe in my
maybe late twenties or so, is when I moved to
Toronto and then San Francisco.

Speaker 5 (05:06):
So Toronto, San Francisco, then Miami. So what took you
from San Francisco to Miami?

Speaker 4 (05:11):
The women, Well, uh no, when I got to San Francisco,
it was like really cool. It was a lot of fun.
Everybody just talked tech the whole time. I started to
find it a little bit tiring, just you know, everybody
talking work all the time. It was kind of like
it was fun at first, but then yeah, eventually it
grows tiring.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
So I was kind of thinking about moving.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
I was married at the time, she didn't really want
to stay there anymore. The dot com crash happened, and
I thought, well, maybe this is the time to move.
So we did a short stint back in Canada and
then ended up back in Washington, d C.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
So my next.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
Startup, the third one, was focused on selling to the federal,
state and local government.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
So you know, DC was where.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
Back then I would just anywhere where I thought it
would improve our chances of a good life, And so
I moved to DC and.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
We were there for seven years. That's where my daughter
was born.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
But you were young when you got married, because that
comment was two thousand.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, I think I was
twenty six or twenty seven years old.

Speaker 5 (06:18):
Did that white be out by the way, and do
you have to start all over or did you do
okay with during that crash?

Speaker 4 (06:24):
No, No, it was I sold the business, the second business,
right before the crash, so it was.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
That was it was fine. I was just living on
savings for a few years.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
You know, I didn't bother trying to start another business
or get another job for a few years because it
just the market just looked terrible and I didn't think
it was probably possible.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (06:45):
Now I also read some did you go to Harvard?
Did you get your masters from Harvard?

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (06:49):
I did my masters at Harvard. I had I learned
to fly like small airplanes, like a little four seater.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
I bought a serious s.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
R twenty two and and so I used to fly
from Washington, d C. Back and forth to Boston. And
so I did my master's degree. At the time, you know,
it was funny because I had I had built and
sold businesses and all that, and I already knew kind
of what I was doing at that point.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
But my mom, she had six kids.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
I was one of them. I was the only one
that went to college. She seemed so proud when I
did my undergrad degree. I thought, well, I bet she'd
be really proud if I, you know, if I did
my master's degree. And so I went and did that,
and then I realized she didn't even know what Harvard was.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
So, so you mentioned your siblings. Are they back in
Canada or some of them migrated here as well?

Speaker 4 (07:42):
Yeah, they're they're all back in Canada, but they come
to Florida. Most of them come to Florida for the
for the winter. So yeah, it's nice. I'm in Miami
and they're kind of in the Orlando area.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Usually, how often do you get to see them?

Speaker 3 (07:55):
I mean, I used to.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
When I was building my businesses up there, I would
I'd have the majority of my head count up in
Eastern Canada.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
I'd get up there all the time.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
When COVID hit, I started seeing them a little bit
less often because it kind of became difficult to get
back and forth across the border without you know, quarantining
and all this kind of stuff. And I got out
of the habit and then they, at the same time
started spending their their winters in Florida. So I think
the combination of those two things that I stopped going

(08:25):
up to Canada as much as I as I used to,
and now I started focusing a little bit more on
like this last few years of my career, I'm trying
to just make as much as I can to try
to set myself up and you know, and I want to,
you know, with everything that's happening with AI, I want
to try to make sure that I set up our
family as well as I can.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
You know, Yeah, yeah, it's the next next boom.

Speaker 5 (08:48):
What drove you to want to start to become an
entrepreneur versus just you know nine to five are working
for corporate.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
So so at first I started my mom's you know,
ultimate goal for me was to work at Sunny Corner
Mechanical because that was the big company in our town.
And so I got the job running it at Sunny
Corner Mechanical, and she was so proud. And I was
making I think fifteen dollars an hour or something, and
she was.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Like super proud and everything.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
And then this I had these different Microsoft certifications and
I got a call from I guess somebody called Microsoft,
somebody that had started a Microsoft training company. They called
Microsoft and asked them who in the province of New
Brunswick might they want to talk to to partner up
with somebody, and they point they gave them my number.

(09:38):
I got a call unsolicited, ended up going to work
with this guy. I learned all about tech startups with him.
We sold that company, then I created my next one,
and it just got I was like, this is a
lot of fun. Both my parents were entrepreneurs in their
own way. My dad was more into like he had
a fire protection business, and my mom was had like
an esthetic salon, and my sisters all had hair salons

(09:59):
and they were, you know, they were all kind of
into the beauty industry.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
So have you been motivated all your life as a kid.

Speaker 4 (10:09):
Yeah, Yeah, I was, like I remember when I was
a little kid, like having these little businesses all the time.
So one of them, when sports cards, like NBA trading
cards and NHL cards. I would like go and find
that there were these Becket guides that would tell you
what the price had moved to from week to week.

(10:30):
I would like figure out how to get the Beckut
Guide before everybody else got it a day before. So
I asked my mom if we could set her up
as a wholesaler, so we would get the back of
guide a day early. I'd figure out, like which cards
moved the most, and then I'd go drive around town
and try to buy up all the ones that.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Moved a lot. A few days, I made enough, I was,
I don't know, maybe I was twelve or thirteen.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
I made enough to buy a car, like a few
years sooner than I could even drive nice.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
I was always like trying to figure something.

Speaker 4 (10:58):
Out because like I grew up like third poor, you know,
And so I would go to school, and everybody would
have like these certain shoes or these certain jeans or whatever.
And I was like, oh my god, I don't want
to not you know, have whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
So I just tried to figure it out of my own.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:15):
So, did you make any money on the first time
you sold your company or were you did or was
it mostly the investors had made all the money? You know,
sometimes you get taken advantage of on your first time.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:26):
I didn't have investors until my third business. So I
made some pretty good money in the first two businesses,
especially the second one because I had, you know, more ownership,
and but then I I was kind of spending money
at a rate that I shouldn't have been back then too.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
And also I didn't we'll.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Just spend your money on by the way, we'll just
spend your money on I'm.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
Curious taking three or four years of doing nothing, those
years where I was telling you the dot com crash happened,
and I was just like, who cares, you.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Know, there's nothing happening anyways, So yeah, bad about it.

Speaker 5 (12:03):
I was wondering if you were like driving fast cars
getting bottle service everywhere different.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
No, I was way too country for that I didn't
really know any of that in Miami.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
Yeah, and now you're in Miami, so I'm sure you
know a little bit about it, right.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
Oh yeah, yeah, especially you know, uh in the circles
now it's like everybody is you know, they're throwing events
on yachts and it's just like it's a crazy life.
I've never I never really expected. I mean, honestly, it
gets tiring. We're constantly we get like a million invites

(12:43):
to birthdays and different things, like every weekend. I'm sure
you guys know what it's like. Yeah, there's more things,
more invites than you can possibly you realize. Eventually, you
got to set your priorities on what you want to do,
and if your priorities are going to be family and business,
you can't get yourself distracted.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
That's actually a great point because I think Edwin would
agree with me. It's so much time and effort to
go walk the red carpet and you know, socialize and
meet people. And for us, I mean I could speak
for Edwin as well, there's no real value for our
businesses there. You know, we're not really going to I mean,
there is networking. If you're with the right people. But

(13:24):
most of the time when you're on those places, you
don't meet the right people. It's not our industry, right never, No.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
And Lisa.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
I realized Lisa gets called these things so often. It's
like a couple of times a week, there's some place
that you know wants her to come and help promote
it and think. So, you know, I was trying to
show off for her as much as I can, but yeah,
it's at the point where it becomes a distraction to
what you're trying to achieve, you know, and the business

(13:53):
that I'm in at all. The last two businesses that
I've been in have been focused on, you know, the
world largest law firms, world's largest consulting companies. There's no
contacts I'm going to meet, you know, promoting some makeup
line or something like that.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
You can help me in my business.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
You know. It's interesting.

Speaker 5 (14:21):
I remember when I was on the show, we kept
getting we got invited everywhere, and I found myself, you know,
drinking four or five times a week because every event
I went to there's drinking, right, Yeah, And I remember
thinking to myself, what I have to drink at these
events and I won't be able to keep up. If
I come to these many events and then drink two
three drinks every event, that adds up to fifteen twenty

(14:43):
drinks a week. So that's what that's the reason I
decided to go sober for a year. I'm like, you
know what, I'm not going to drink for an entire year.
If I'm going to go to these events, I'm not
going to drink. But it's interesting. I replaced that with coffee.
I'd never had coffee before in my life. Oh and
then I was like, whoa, this is why people drink coffee,
Like I could actually be engaged in a conversation even
if they're drunk. I could still be engaged because I'm

(15:05):
having my coffee. But yeah, it was an interesting time
being sober for an entire year and going to all
these events. But that's why I actually didn't drink for
a year, because you.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Know, how I keep up with this?

Speaker 1 (15:14):
How did the coffee affect the year?

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Sleep?

Speaker 5 (15:17):
That's the only thing that sort of screwed me up
because then I had a hard time sleeping. So I
was like, still, you know, uh, not the greatest, but
it did. It's funny that was my exchange for alcohol.
I just drank coffee.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, now I got smart and I'll do some iced
tea and not iced tea tea.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
That was the hardest part for me when I when
I stopped drinking, was just the habit of like I
be in a crowd and and you feel like it's
it's kind of the social pressure where you're supposed to
have something in your hand and like people are asking you.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
Like what do you drink?

Speaker 4 (15:50):
Like, even if you do go and you just get soda,
water or whatever, people are like, well, what are you drinking? Yeah,
And if you tell them it's soa water, then they're like, oh,
come on, let's get you some tequila whatever. It's really
strange how much it bothers other people.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
If you're not drinking, should you not drink anymore?

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Barely?

Speaker 4 (16:07):
Like I'll have half a drink or something if people
are really pressuring you know.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
But yeah, mainly I'm trying. I've been on this kick.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
For about a year where I've been trying to do
all these biomarker testing and everything and trying to help
with longevity as much as I can and get great workouts.
And I was finding that having a hangover or even
a couple of drinks. It affects your performance, and it's
just didn't align with what I want to do.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
That's interesting. I did hear something about you getting into
the biohacking world, and I know that, especially Edwin and
I were into fitness, weren't to feeling good. There's nothing
better in life than feeling good naturally, right. I've experienced
the caffeine highs, I've experienced this supplement, and of course

(16:55):
there's so many things out there, substances if you will,
that will make you feel incredible. I haven't tried it,
but I heard adderall is one of the things that
just lights you up, makes you feel like you're on
top of the world, and it's legal.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I had.

Speaker 4 (17:13):
A lot of problems concentrating whenever I was younger and everything,
and then when adderall came along, I went to my
doctor and.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Tried it for a while. But then what I found
is you're kind of like borrowing energy.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
Today from tomorrow, and so it's kind of the same
thing where you'd feel great and focused and engaged with
people and stuff, and then the next day you're kind
of like crashed and not operating at one hundred percent
or at least for me. Yeah, So for me, I
find the best thing was if you can get a
long stint away from almost everything except for caffeine and

(17:48):
just there's a lot of research out there now that
creatine we all you stick creatine for like muscles and
stuff that actually curantine is one of the most effective
for the brain.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
You probably read that the.

Speaker 4 (17:59):
Things like things like that healthy any and like keeping
doing like meditation and breath work and stuff like that
to try to get your stress levels down. You'll start
operating a lot better cognitively. So it's you know, it's
almost you can almost achieve the same level of focus
and everything by just letting your body regulate.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
I agree, I agree, And I'll add to that that
it doesn't work the same for everybody because we all
have different not just genetics but lifestyles.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
Right, Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
I myself, and I grew up exercising my whole entire life,
so it's like brushing my teeth, and if I don't
do it, that's when I, you know, become unhinged and
a little bit of a bitch and you know, whine
about everything. And I know that my wife reminds me
of that but as soon as I go get a
good workout, get a good pump, and especially for me,

(18:54):
it's cardiovascular workouts when I'm running, cycling, or doing some
sort of exercise that gets my heart pumping, in my
brain just cleared. I can handle life much better that way.
But yeah, I think it's it's the history and background
of that whole regiment. You know, if you start working
out today, you're not going to love it as much

(19:15):
as somebody who's been doing it all their life. Right,
It's going to be sort of like an uphill both
ways battle. This is so hard. I can't continue this
for the rest of my life, So they'll give up
and go back to their old regimen, which is self
medication with alcohol or some sort of at least illicit
drug or you know, over the counter drug. But it's
it's just it's I think it's different for everybody with

(19:39):
respect to what lifestyle they live, how their body processes nutrients,
you know some of them, some of us are more
efficient than others, and of course what their long term
goal is. You know, at a young age, we don't
think about our fifty year old self, right.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
Yeah, I was just thinking this to my daughter She's like,
what do you because I have all these selfles packed,
you know, on the trip to London here. Yeah, it's
like what are you doing with all these things all
the time? Like you'll understand maybe when you get closer
to my age.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Hey, at least it's not a bag full of pharmaceuticals
that you're taking. I mean, I can't tell you how
much I hate that. I've seen that. I witnessed it
and it just makes me cringe. You know. In my
perfect world, I wish I didn't have to take anything.
But again, I know that there's certain things I'm deficient
in that I don't get in my diet. I don't
eat a whole lot of fish, so I do take

(20:31):
Omega threes the supplements. I definitely do creatine, even though
I eat a lot of meat that meets my primary
source of fuel and nutrition. But I do take creatine
because of its beneficial returns. You know, it's it's worth it.
I also take yeah, and I also do supplement with electrolytes,

(20:56):
you know, mostly because I am a sweathog. I sweat
like mad, and I know I lose a lot a
lot of electrolytes and electrolytes you know, micronutrients are very
hard to replenish unlike macro nutrients, you know, So to me,
it's sort of like the safe feats like a like
a backup system for me, Like I'm just gonna have

(21:19):
my electrolytes in there, whether I need them or not,
because yeah, there's going to be days where I'm out
eight hours on my dirt bike and I'm sweating my
balls off and I'm having a great time. But afterwards
is the effect, right, Like why am I cramping?

Speaker 4 (21:33):
And you know, like as we as we all age, right,
there's things that just happen to our bodies that so
for example, all of our testosterone gets low, our growth
hormone gets low.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
There's all these things that happen to us that are
it's not good.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
So there's there's things now that are coming down through
research and everything, like mylestat and inhibitors and you know,
ways for people to supplement their testosterone either through in
klomaphine or through testosterone itself or whatever.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
Like there's a whole bunch of.

Speaker 4 (22:04):
Ways to fix these things that to make you a
little bit more like your body chemist for you, like
when you're twenty, there's like the you know, people that
have they really do feel hunger in a way that
many of us might not. And and now there's like
ways to inhibit the feeling of hunger and all that
kind of stuff. So I just think that what's happening

(22:25):
in medicine is like pretty amazing.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
So I'm not like.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
Anti you know, medicine in any way or whatever. I'm
more like about I just want to measure what's going
on in my body. I love this function. I don't
know if you guys saw function the blood.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Tests, Yeah, I've heard of it.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Yeah, pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
Like you can test, like, you know, a hundred different
biomarkers and you'll see like you're deficient in vitamin D
three and you're deficient in this and this and this,
and then you.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
Can just correct it, you know, and it makes a
big difference.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Tell us about Lisa.

Speaker 5 (23:01):
How did you meet Lisa. Let's get into let's get
into that good stuff.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
Yeah, so I had I had broken up with well,
I was in a really toxic relationship where we were
breaking up, getting back together, breaking up, getting back together.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
I'd move out.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Is this your marriage?

Speaker 3 (23:22):
No?

Speaker 4 (23:22):
No, I actually have a great relationship with my ex wife.
We were together almost twenty years and wow, you know,
we just talked today, even we talk every day pretty much.
But this was a relationship I probably never should have
gotten into. I was but her and me and my

(23:44):
ex wife we had broken up.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
I was single for a while.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
I was dating, dating, dating, and then I was thinking, like,
I should probably make a decision on what I'm going
to do because I was worried that it would set
a bad example to my daughter if she sawt me
dating a lot of different people. And so I think
I probably jumped into choosing when I probably shouldn't have.
And probably about a year in I knew it wasn't right,

(24:10):
and I just kept on, you know, trying to make
it work. I think I'm a bit of a try
to make it work a person. Yeah, and then it
clearly wasn't and then I would just get to the
breaking point. I would move out, and we went through
this very toxic thing for a long time.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
And then how long was the breakup period?

Speaker 5 (24:28):
Like how long did it take from you knew you
obviously knew the first year you should have broke up,
but you still.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Go five years?

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Oh wow, Yeah, it used to happen to me all
the time.

Speaker 5 (24:37):
By the way, I knew I should have broken up
like six at the six month mark, at the year mark,
and then it took three years to finally break up.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
It took five years to finally break up.

Speaker 5 (24:46):
When in retrospect, I was like, I kind of knew
at year one it was never going to happen, Yet
I continued this back and forth toxic relationship.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
So yeah, it's that interesting for you or for them.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
I think what prolonged the whole thing is that her
friends convinced me that everything would get a lot better
if we just got engaged, because a lot of the
you know, craziness that was happening, in the stress that
was happening, arguing that was happening, was because I was
not being engaged. And I don't know how I felt
for that. That was like, it's like these people that

(25:21):
they're like, oh, just have a baby, that'll fix everything.
So I got engaged, and and then it didn't fix
the It didn't fix the issues.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
So yeah, we ended up calling it off.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
And then so then I was single, trying to figure
out what to do. And then one of my friends
we used to see this girl in the in the
gym all the time at Berry's boot Camp Lisa.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Barry's boot Camp, by the way, it's one of my
favorite workouts.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
I still go like once a week with at least.
She's like a frequent flyer there.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
But we used to see her come in.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
She was like I always thought she was beautiful, but
she she'd come in like five minutes slate to the class,
and she'd leave five minutes early.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
And I'd think, like, what's with that girl?

Speaker 4 (26:04):
She thinks she's too good for everybody's what's going on?
Why is she coming in late and leaving early and everything?
And then I came to realize what her life was like,
like if she sticks around, she gets like, you know,
it can be hard to get in and out sometimes. Yeah,
So that's where I first saw her, and I would
talk about her with my friends and everything, and then
then they broke up. I kind of forgot all about

(26:25):
it until I broke up, and I was like, I
was on a boat with one of my friends and
he said we were talking about like, what.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
Am I going to do next? Am I going to
go on a dating app?

Speaker 4 (26:35):
What am I going to do? And then he's we
were like, what about that? Lisa girl, and I was like, yeah,
maybe I'll ask her out. So I didn't realize at
the time how unrealistic that was, you know, just pulled outreach.
But I just like dm'd her and and then she
started writing back, and it was like within two minutes

(26:56):
she started writing back, and it was like an interview.
She's like like, do you have any kids? You know,
like what how old is your kid? What has your
relationship with her? Like it was like boom boom, boom,
boom boom, like for an hour and a half, like
what do you do for a living?

Speaker 3 (27:12):
What did you do before that? Like you know, uh?

Speaker 5 (27:14):
And then when in your DM or did you like
say hey it's me from Barrie's do you remember me?
Or what was that first DM?

Speaker 2 (27:20):
What did you ask?

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Well?

Speaker 4 (27:22):
I remember it because she tells this story quite a bit.
She was getting apparently like a lot of like really
bad messages, like a lot of gross messages from guys
like whatever, and and mine was probably a pretty Canadian
I guess I was like, hey, I think you're really beautiful.
I've seen you around at you know, at your parties

(27:43):
and at various bot camp and stuff like that, and
I always thought you had like really great style, and
you know, you just you're kind of my neighbor. You
just live on the next island, and I'd love to
take you out sometime if you want.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
And she's like, huh, next island. So he's doing okay
for himself. You know.

Speaker 5 (28:02):
I was just gonna say that I liked that drop
of the next island.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
That's just like yeah, low hand.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Yeah, and yeah. So it worked.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
And then we went out for planned our first date
at a restaurant and it was like a very awkward
car ride because it was it was probably too long
of a car ride, and and then but yeah, but
it turned out to be it turned out to be great.
We ended up going to an event. It was like

(28:34):
this season is all about the Philip Line thing. We
went to a Philip Line event when we first.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
Met, and.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
It was it was nice because like I had had
other friends there so I could talk to my friends
and like she could still talk to her.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
It wasn't so much pressure, you know. Yeah, it turned
out to be really good.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
And then then I just you know, asked her out again,
and it is kind of I remember her telling me,
like early into the relationship, she said, are you sure
you want to do this because this is going to
get really crazy.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
I was thinking, like how crazy could it really get?
You know, I've been in the media before with my
tex stuff. I didn't realize how different that was, you know.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
But yeah, well, let me ask you the big question.
When you saw Lisa, and you obviously knew about her,
not just because she's a hottie, did you know that
she was on a real housewife show on TV? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (29:36):
Yeah, yeah, everybody everybody in the city knew that couple.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
More than anybody else on the show.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
They just knew who that couple was because they were
in the same social circles. So I had a million
friends that were their friends.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Yea.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
It happened to have not met, so it was that
was one of the things that actually made it pretty
ea because we had so many friends in common. Okay,
and I didn't have any friends in common with anybody
else on the show. But I knew all about her,
and she knew a lot of my friends, but we
didn't really I didn't know much about the show because
I didn't watch the show.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
I was just going to ask you that, like, were
you very familiar with the show? Okay?

Speaker 3 (30:19):
You I was forced to watch it once or twice
by one of my axes.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
But do you interact with Lisa's X at all?

Speaker 3 (30:28):
No, not really.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
I went to like birthdays and things like that. I
tried to make the best of it. I just felt like,
you know, I had such a good relationship with my ax.
I thought it would work itself out in time. And
I remember texting them that saying like, Hey, I know
things arely heated between you and Lisa right now, but

(30:50):
I do think it'll work itself out over time and
all that, kind of giving them my perspective, but they
never I'm not sure it ever will for them.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
You know.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah, that's a tough place to be and I know that.
I mean, I hate to bring this up, but I
know Edwin is kind of walking into that world, Like
how is he going to feel when the kids are
going to be with somebody else? And it's it's a
crazy dynamic. I don't know if you're ready for that.
You're ready for that, Edwin?

Speaker 2 (31:18):
I think so. It seems like a cool guy.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
I haven't met him yet, but but are you communicating
with him?

Speaker 2 (31:25):
No, not yet, not yet.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
I personally I don't have a problem with it, but
that's good.

Speaker 5 (31:31):
But I think it's you know, I think it's a
you know, when it just happens organic. I think I'm
more of that type of person and stuff.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
So yeah, I think we talked about this before on
another podcast interview, and I want to say I had
I never spoke to my wife's ex. It just was
not conducive. The guy was just a terrible person. But
I think if I had done it different, if I
had my way, I would have had a great conversation
or relationship with him because it benefits the kids the most.

(32:02):
I think that's my opinion. I didn't experience that, but
from what I witnessed and other relationships that have gone
through something like that, I think the kids benefit highly.
And and I just had, you know, an interview with
PAULI and we talked about that with him and Dolores
and yeah, and and how he has just an incredible

(32:23):
relationship with the whole entire extended family, including Frank and
it's just so funny how they go back and forth
like brothers, and it's it's bizarre to me, but he says, yeah,
you know, it works, It really works.

Speaker 5 (32:35):
I think it's easy if if both couples are getting along. Yeah,
it's it's easy to meet the other person, right. I
think if you're not getting along, it just makes it
that much tougher, right because you know, as the as
the guy that's coming into a new relationship, you almost
have to stay away because it can only be bad

(32:55):
for you. If they're in a bad place and then
you try to butt in, it just gets worse. So
but if they're both doing well and amicable, it's easy
to just meet the other person, I think.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
And it's so much harder in our world, I think too,
because everything, uh, you know, everybody is so visible in
the media, so like there was an awful lot happening
where something would happen and then somebody would call you know,
page six or us or whatever, and then like and
then somebody then they call for a rebuttal and it's

(33:26):
just it's a weird world, you know, this whole thing
is it just RKEs it really difficult.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Now.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
On the other hand, my daughter's mom and she's you know,
she's now remarried, and we travel together, like you and
the kids and uh and my daughter and and then
like we did ski trips together, we do Christmas together.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Wow. Great that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Yeah, and you bring Lisa with you, I assume, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
Lisa and the kids and and actually Logan h which
is Lisa's on he was, he was he he loves Danny,
which is you know, it's like my kid's mom's husband.
He loves me, and Danny has taken him like pickleball
and you know, all kinds of stuff like that. It's
kind of like a you know, a new modern family.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
It's fun.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
That's cool. That is so cool.

Speaker 5 (34:19):
So you were I remember I saw some articles on
you know, how supportive you were being for Lisa and
how great you were for Lisa, and obviously you were
getting some great press and then all of a sudden
you start getting some bad press with that incident of you,
which you guys quickly sort of diminished. But how was that,
you know, getting good press and then all of a

(34:40):
sudden you.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Got to deal with that crap?

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Right?

Speaker 2 (34:44):
How was that? Definitely the ard where you're disappointed.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
I thinkfully, that wasn't my first foray into it, because
like I had when I was like several months into
dating Lisa and then there was a hit piece put
in by her ex about just one day whenever I
was like dropping her off. He like called the you know,
one of these tabloids or whatever, and they were saying

(35:09):
like that I was visiting the house late at night.
It was just like a really bizarre article. I was like,
this is really strange that this is what the world
is like. You know, you do a normal thing, like
you're just dropping somebody off, and it turns into a
news story.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
So what was that story, Like you were being a
stalker or what.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Well, it was trying to apply that I was home with.

Speaker 4 (35:32):
And the kids, and then that was somehow inappropriate because
the kids are too young to have a guy around.
It was a twenty thousand square foot mansion with two
guest houses, you know, like it's not like we're just
we were just hanging out like every couple hangs out. Yeah,
but you know, he was able to spin that into

(35:54):
a news story. And I think he was just angry
at the time at her And I'm sure there was
a lot of back and forth worth us.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
I mean, I was really angry with my with my
ex when we first broke up, so I think that's natural.

Speaker 4 (36:07):
But that's where I first caught the first shrapnel, I guess.
And and then this last one, I had actually heard
like long before the season was ever, Like really, when
season one was was wrapping up, one of the producers
had said to me that a lot of times in
season two, like when you're in your second full season,

(36:29):
a lot of times that's when they'll.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
Give you a bad editor. Yeah, and so I.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
Wasn't entirely surprised, and then and then I got But
when I saw that, it was so bizarre because you know,
they leave all the windows and door You guys have
probably seen this, but they have like the lighting equipment
and stuff like that, so they leave all the windows and
doors open where they're filming. We had barbecues and everything
in our in our living room, and so it was

(36:56):
like ninety some degrees.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Everybody's like sweating through their shirts and everything.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
And also most of my friends don't want to be
on camera, but but I didn't want to be at
my own birthday without my friends. Yeah, if I said,
you know, it's fine and invite all the cast and everything,
but I want to have my own friends there, and
then my friends would come and they basically just had
you know, we have a got a very large place,
so they just had their own kind of birthday going

(37:22):
on separate from the main one, and then then I
see that they're like clearly trying to imply that I
was like that AC was some code word, and some
people have even like given it, like they say adult
candy or.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Something like that. It's just so stretching, but whatever.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
I mean, that's part of the Real Housewife world is
that every edit, for the most part, is to create
the maximize the drama, you know, to create something out
of nothing or take something completely out of context. I
get it now because I've been in it for so long,

(38:00):
and if there wasn't any of that, then there wouldn't
be an audience just rivetted to watching the train wreck, right,
because that's what I call it. It's just just a
train wreck shit show that everybody loves to watch, and
they've been very successful with it, doing that same program
year in year out. Every time I've spoken to any

(38:24):
potential house husband or boyfriend that's going to be on
the show, I've had a few of them reach out
to me and say, hey, so what should I expect.
My biggest advice has always been to stay out of
the cameras, to stay out of the drama, don't get involved.
You know, at the end of the day, it's better
to be called a guy or a guy that doesn't
support his wife on this show, then a guy that

(38:47):
gets all into the business it gets into a fight
with another housewife and becomes, you know, the seventh housewife
on the show. Right, that's my take on it.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
This is what I tried to do.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
So when I heard that this was probably that I
was probably going to be, you know, I have this
happen in season two, I thought, okay, Well, the first
thing I did is said I'm not going to film
season two, and so we went a long time into
negotiations where I was like, I'm not going to do
this until you know if this is what's coming. And

(39:19):
it ended up I was. I was satisfied. I thought
it was all going to be kept under control. The
very first event was my birthday, so there was no
it's but to be there, you know, So so I
was kind of trapped. Larsa came right up and confronted
me at my birthday.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
They cut most of the scene.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
It's actually like a five minute scene or so where
I have a whole conversation with her where she's like
asking these different questions and I'm saying like, she's like,
do you know don't you know what Marcus did to me?
And I said, well, something along lines of like no,
I don't know anything about that, and and she was like, well.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
You know he did this and this and this. Don't
even don't aren't you on Instagram?

Speaker 4 (40:01):
And I said, I'm not really on Instagram like once
in a while, like once every few weeks or a month,
I'll post something, but I'm not really an Instagram person.
And she's like, well, what about the tabloids. It's all
over the TMC and everything. I was like, I don't.
I'm a business person. I don't really read tabloids or
any of that kind of stuff. Honestly, I just don't
do that. It was a whole conversation.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Are you drinking? Do you have a little buzz going on?
And she's.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
I was prepared because I was like, this is gonna
be like. I didn't let my guard down until the
whole I thought.

Speaker 4 (40:32):
It was over, like I thought, okay, well I handled
that pretty well, and then I was like, okay, guys,
like all right.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Let's go do a shot.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
So then I felt like it was all good and
then but turned out they clipped the whole argument and
they made it look like she confronted me, and I
was like, oh.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
Yeah, I saw that clip. My wife made me watch
the show.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
Yeah, yeah, it's And then I realized, I mean, every
year you learn a little bit more right, and you
realize I thought, as long as you don't give them
any any scenes that where you're being full Oh no,
I realized, No, it's it's even more than that. You
really have to just stay away. Yeah, like you said,
if you stay away too much, then you're on supportive.

(41:15):
So yeah, I think I think I'll know the right
balance next year if I if I decide to.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Do it, Yeah, I think my number one rule is
just don't get involved with the drama no matter how
bad it gets, because I have confidence more than one
hundred percent that my wife can handle it because she's
been doing that. She's seasoned. She knows how to deal
with these little bitches that you know, want men that
want to be on the show and want to be
you know, big mouth and be part of the housewife world.

(41:41):
And I'm like, I there's nothing I can contribute to
that because my wife will put them in their place,
you know, And my wife doesn't make up bullshit, you know,
she defends herself, defends her family, and just calls people
out on their bullshit. And that's what people don't like,
especially men.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
In our in our group, the men don't really get involved.
This year, what ended up happening is, you know, Marcus
and I joined the show at the same time. Every
time he lives in Orlando, So every time he would
come down from Orlando, which is every three four months
or whatever, he's he's friends with all my friends, so

(42:18):
all my friends, and he has to be like, Hey,
I'm coming to.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Town or whatever, let's go grab dinner. We grab dinner, and.

Speaker 4 (42:25):
One of these times, it was in the summertime, I
grabbed dinner with him and a bunch of my friends.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
And then.

Speaker 4 (42:32):
Like months later, we're going into filming and then Larsa
calls and she's all angry. I'm like what, And then
I'm realizing she's talking about this group dinner with all
my friends from like months before.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
Yeah, I didn't even I didn't.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
Even know this was a problem, you know. Yeah, and
then it just turned into a confrontation. First thing I
knew I was the story lie.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Well, the other thing I kind of took away from
watching the clip of your show last Sunday, I think
it was, is, you know, there's going to be drama
between friends. You know, Again, something I learned recently, there's
got to be a fight, and then there's got to
be making up. And my wife's had so many of
those relationships on the show. And again it's for show purposes, right,

(43:19):
but there also have been some women on the show
that they can't get to my wife. They can't you know,
make her emotionally cry or really get at her, right,
so they go after their kids, or they go after
their husbands or boyfriends. And that's just not fun. That's
not cool, you know, these these women, and we're not

(43:40):
going to you know. And and the thing that really
gets me is that Bravo edits it and puts it
out there, and I get it, you know, it's part
of the show. We signed the contract, then we're there
because we want to support our wife anyway we can.
But it's it's, yeah, it's I don't know, collateral damage.
Welcome to the collateral damage.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
But I think I think it does make it harder
to recruit successful guys.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
To the show, because yeah, and to get us to
come back like after after a year like this.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
You know, we had a lot of discussions, like do
I ever want to be on camera again?

Speaker 2 (44:18):
You know, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
It's I I definitely wanted to help her. I wanted
to support her, But then I.

Speaker 4 (44:26):
See some of the women on the show where their
husbands barely appear and they've been fine. Yeah, so I
think I think I can probably fade away and that
would be great.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Do you still talk to Marcus?

Speaker 3 (44:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (44:41):
Yeah, okay, I probably every two or three months we talk.
I'm I'm taking my daughter to Paris here this weekend,
and and and he's going to be in Paris apparently
in the same same weekends we were talking about actually
grabbing dinner.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
If that doesn't like cause, I.

Speaker 4 (44:58):
Mean, the guy doesn't even drin think anymore. Like he's
he's he's so not what at least from what I've seen,
he's so not what is rumored?

Speaker 1 (45:08):
You know, Yeah, yeah, what is uh?

Speaker 2 (45:11):
What does mom now think of you been on the show?
Obviously she was very proud when you got that job
making fifteen bucks. Now what does she think now that
you're on Bravo TV?

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Is she like a big fan is sher celebrity?

Speaker 4 (45:23):
Yeah, oh my god, if if my mom were My
mom passed a long time ago, but if my mom
were still alive, there was no way I would do
the show because she would have just never. My mom
was very She used to preach to me all the
time about modesty and not bragging and just like she was,
so it was so important to her that uh that

(45:44):
I actually it kind of hurt my businesses for a
long time because I wouldn't be on camera. I didn't
have any kind of public image because I always had
these things going on in my hat about what my
mom had taught me. So yeah, if she were, if
she were alive, I'd be wrestling between you know, what's
good for Lisa and what's good for my mom, and
I probably would lean towards modesty.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
My last question for you, just a fun one.

Speaker 5 (46:08):
You mentioned when you DMD or you said, hey, I
have a house just snacks on the other island. Who
had a nicer house?

Speaker 2 (46:17):
You or Lisa?

Speaker 4 (46:18):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (46:19):
You know it was? My house was was quite nice.
It was a waterfront. You know.

Speaker 4 (46:24):
I sold it for twelve through twelve million dollars just
a couple months ago.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
But at least was worth I think eighty million dollars.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
Oh wow, it's like a massive, massive place, so really,
you know, it kind of to me felt a little
bit like a hospital. It was giant, like twenty five
ceilings and like.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Wow, yeah, was yours more modern?

Speaker 3 (46:50):
Yeah? Yeah, mine was more more like modern like wood.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
It's kind of like I don't know if you've seen
these like with Teak and Epey and all that. I
love that kind of thing, like feel a little bit jungly.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Now they got some beautiful homes there.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
I can only Miami. Miami is a really great place.

Speaker 4 (47:08):
It's my daughter was just saying about how she loves
where she lives. And I remember when I grew up,
and most of us when we grew up, we didn't
love where we lived. But I do find off a
lot of people they love Miami.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Yeah, it's a great place. It's a really cool, just hip, jive,
awesome place to visit. I don't know that I could
live at the same thing with New York. I love visiting,
I don't know that I can live there, But you know,
it probably stems from just growing up in southern California
all my life and I'm comfortable here, but I do
love to visit Miami. It's awesome. It's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Now that you sold your place, what's next?

Speaker 4 (47:52):
Well, so now I think I'm actually looking at another place.
So there's a place that's another waterfront place I found.
I had a feeling that prices were going to drop,
and they are. So I think I talked to that
kind of perfectly been investing and stuff like that, and
then now I think I'm probably gonna buy another place
coming well, I guess if I can get it for

(48:15):
what I think I can.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Do you involve your daughter at all with it? She
just has no.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
Interest in that kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
You know, I'm waiting to see, you know what she's
gonna have interest in. At the moment, she's like very
focused on forensics. She wants to solve crimes, work for
the FBI and all that kind of stuff. That could
be pretty cool. I would like for her to do
something in maths or sciences or AI or something that's
future proof, you.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Know, right right, times are definitely changing. So one last
question I have for you is now that we've mentioned,
you know, some of the negative stuff that has happened
on Bravo and how they spin things to create a
storyline and how you know, sometimes we get to be
you know, collateral damage on all that. Tell us about
some of the positive stuff that you've experienced since being

(49:04):
on the show.

Speaker 4 (49:05):
Yeah, well it's it's I mean, I guess in terms
of it's a wild life. Yeah, we go to you know,
she's coming to meet me and Peyton in Paris here
this weekend, and you know, it's it's crazy, like when
we're getting stopped all the time in the street and
and like all this it's a it's that that stuff

(49:27):
is it is cool for a while, but I think
in I think and it's been really great for Lisa.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
I mean, Lisa has built a.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
Whole career in business that is probably starting to rival
what she's making on the show now. And that's that's
really just within the last couple of years. So I think,
you know, she never really had focused on it before,
and now I've been kind of like trying to help her,
you know, how to build a brand and then you know,
how to think about product and stuff like that, and

(50:01):
she's been really focusing. I've been pretty proud of her
now that she's like clear of the distraction of the divorce.
I think she's doing a good job. So I think
it's really good for the women that you know, use
it in the right way.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
So I understand you guys created an app for divorce
to make divorce a little bit easier or yeah, consumer friendly.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 4 (50:23):
So she had ran into a lot of problems during
her divorce, and she was constantly calling me. I have
a bit of a legal background too, and so she
would ask me different questions about things that would happen
all the time, like, hey, she'd just wake up in
the morning and maybe all the cars were gone from
the driveway and she had to drive, she had to
get the kids to school or whatever, like all kinds
of random situations, and so I would, you know, help

(50:45):
her look through the legal documents and all that stuff
that she could save money.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
And then they were just de escalating conversations.

Speaker 4 (50:51):
There was like how to find a good attorney that's
not going to take advantage of the situation all these problems,
And we started conversations about like, you know, we could
probably build something that would help you, but also help
women in general that are the disadvantage party. Usually they
don't have as much legal knowledge as much money as
the husband and it would be a good business for Lisa.

(51:14):
So so I helped her get that off the ground,
helped her raise money, hire the team, and she's got
she's got a whole team that basically runs with that
now and I just kind of like help them set
weekly goals or whatever.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
But that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
I was an investor in it.

Speaker 4 (51:30):
Now I don't have to be that involved anymore, which
is my postalized business has just really taken off. It's
been we're this week, I think going to close a
really large financing.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
To take it to the next level. So that's taking
up a lot of my time.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Fantastic, very cool, fantastic. So do you have any questions
for us or do you have anything and else? Do
you want to clarify about your experience on the show,
anything you want to talk about.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
You know, I was when the more we got talking.

Speaker 4 (52:01):
I know, we met at Pravacan a couple of years ago,
and I thought it's been such a nice network, you know, Yeah,
just meeting all the different guys and you realize how
you have a lot of things in common with them
because you're all kind of subject to the same things.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
But I found fan you guys.

Speaker 4 (52:23):
To be really great, and I love that you guys
do this because it kind of helps a little bit
when you feel like your only camera time is whatever
slice of camera time that Bravo decides to give you,
and it's not always the one that you want, and
it's nice when people get to know who you really are.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
So yeah, I think it's.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
Nice to you guys take the time to do these
kinds of podcasts and I love that.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Thank you, thank you. I know I'm enjoying it. Edwin,
you're enjoying this and.

Speaker 5 (52:51):
Enjoying them, and I love hearing stories like yours and
again kind of get to hear the story the man
behind the stories.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
So it's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Yeah, And I think my favorite part of this is,
you know, getting the opportunity to share the real man
behind or with the housewife on the show, because it's
not fair. It's not fair that, you know, we don't
get to be the real person on TV. And I
get why, you know, I'm boring on TV.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
You know, I was like, I was like, the reason
I look awkward on camera is because I'm awkward on camera.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
You know, housewife, I don't I never intended to be
a housewife.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Oh. I wanted to mention that too. When I was
watching the show on Sunday, I'm like, oh, he is
so uncomfortable on the camera and I'm the same way,
Like I'm a perfectly cool guy, normal conversation, but you
put that big lens in front of me, it changes me.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
Just I don't think people realize what it's like because
when we're doing these scenes, there's like, you know, ten
people around you with my booms and you know, cameras
from all different angles and stuff, and you're just have
a normal conversation as though they're not even there.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
It's it's, yeah, it's not like those lights.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Can be pretty hot, by the way. Those those lights
can get warm.

Speaker 5 (54:04):
Yeah, and on where you're at and where the scene
is that those lights are just like beaming on you.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
He's a hilarious I don't know if you guys have
seen this.

Speaker 4 (54:13):
He's hilarious, this guy who acted out a scene of
a typical house husband.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
He's like, I haven't seen that.

Speaker 4 (54:23):
I'll have to send it to you guys, maybe show
notes or something. But it's it's so funny. It's this
this guy where he's like, what I can't believe she
disrespected our family. So it's a house husband, you know,
like we're all just do our part to like say whatever, yeah,
supportive thing, but we are not involved.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
Sometimes I when I get awkward like that, I'll yell
out to the crew and I say, line, do.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
You get more comfortable when you have some drinks on you? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (54:56):
Say, oh my god, that was what that was what
I was doing. It's kind of like the story you told.
I was drinking a lot in the scenes because I
was like, I gotta get.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
Comfortable or whatever, you know.

Speaker 4 (55:09):
And then I was just like, I don't, like, we're
shooting like at some points five times a week.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
Yeah, you can't do that.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
No, no, no, no no.

Speaker 5 (55:19):
Eddie's very calm with the cameras. He even did a
nude scene almost.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
From the start. It was all downhill from there.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
Yeah. They did that in my season one too.

Speaker 4 (55:32):
There was like a there was like a scene where
they were like, hey, you guys want to like do
a date night. So we did a date night and stuff,
and then then they're like, you know, what are you
guys going to do after after dinner? I was like,
I don't know, like maybe go hang out by the
dock or whatever.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
They're like, how about the hot tub? And then I'm like,
oh man.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
You know what they want? Yeah, oh man. So hey,
I'll leave you with this final advice if you haven't
seen this show on Netflix is called Unreal. It's a
sort of a I think it's an eight series reality

(56:17):
TV kind of show, and it's about filming reality TV.
And the biggest takeaway is you know how producers are
wired to make a good show. But it'll open up
your eyes on how this all works for real because
you know some producers, most of the producers on our show,

(56:38):
I love them. They're they're really nice. They're really really
nice to you when they want you to do something right.
Perfect example, my very first scene when I filmed, you know,
the bathtub scene, the producer took me downstairs and said,
you don't have to do this, but here's a shot
at tequila. Seven shots later, I'm like, yo. They just

(57:02):
they just know how to manipulate you to do certain things.
And this show was very entertaining to watch only because
we're in it. You know, we're deep in it, and
there'll be there'll be a lot of takeaway for you
for how to manage yourself in the future.

Speaker 4 (57:17):
Yeah, I do. I do love a lot of the producers.
They're really they're really good people, and I know they're
doing their job.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
I know that his job.

Speaker 4 (57:25):
But no, I probably have to probably film very little
or maybe not at all if it's gonna go like that.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
It's just I think it's hard not to.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
And this is another experience I had. I think it
was year two. Going into year two. I had a
decent edit in the beginning, because that was the night
in Shining Armor, you know, coming to save Camera from
her divorce or her last her last life. But yeah,
they they edited me in a way where it just
didn't make any sense, kind of like what happened to you?

(58:01):
And I had to make a choice. I literally contemplating, contemplated,
you know, I can't do this show. And if I
can't do this show, I can't be in this relationship
with Camera, So what's more important to me? And I
had to dig deep, deep, deep inside me and ask myself, like,
do you see a potential in this relationship? And all

(58:21):
the lights went up and said, yeah, you got to
do whatever it takes. So I had to make a
I had to literally flip a switch in my head
and go, Okay, I'm going to do this, and I'm
going to do it my way, and then you know,
I'm going to stay out of the drama, out of
the camera as much as possible, and only film when
I absolutely have to. And one trink I learned is
I think you did this too. It when whenever the

(58:44):
cameras are filming and the drama starts, I always stand
behind the cameraman or next to the cameraman because they
can't get my my my reaction, they can't get me
on the on you know, part of the drama, so
they can't air it. And it's always It's always worked
for me.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
That's a good idea. Just careful going going to the
bathroom or something.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
Yeah. Yeah, and learn how to turn the mics off.
How many times have you had to tell your friends?
I might it's like you're you're working for the FBI
or something, right.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
Yeah, I got that girl, such a.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
Well, Jody, it's been an awesome time hanging with you.
I really enjoyed getting to know you. I hope to
see you at Bravo Khan this year.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Yeah. I had a good time.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Yeah, good time. Thank you for being so open, Jody.
It was so much fun interviewing you man.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
Yeah. Really nice to see you guys.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Awesome. Well take care, Jody, have a good one.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
See.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
Yeah, that was fun.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Yeah, that was fun. I loved how open he was.
It was super cool.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Yeah, I and it all makes sense, which is super cool.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
You know.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
One of the of things I was concerned with is,
you know, sometimes, and especially in my experience over here,
there's been actual real douchebags that are on the show
and they try they interview well, they talk well, they
present well, right, So I never want to interview those
guys because they're just gonna lie through their teeth. And

(01:00:23):
my concern was, I don't really know Jody much, but
there's this controversy going on, and you know, let's just
give it a shot. Let's see what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
So he's very genuine to me.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
Yeah, yeah, I like the guy a lot. And it
sounds like he really cares about people and his family
and his obviously his relationship with Lisa. So totally cool guy.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Loved it all right, my man.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
It's a great senior brother.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
I know, it's great senior man. We got to hang soon,
catch up.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
All right. I hope you're doing well. All right, same,
all right, take care of bro, sayah bye.