December 23, 2025 • 59 mins
From RHOSLC, Lisa Barlow’s other half, John joins Eddie and Edwin for an all new episode!
John debunks a rumor about how the franchise was brought to Salt Lake City.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Ed's podcast. My name is Eddie Judge
and I got my.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Co host here Edwin are Jave and today we.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Have a special guest, John Barlow. If you don't know John,
John is the husband of the Real Housewives of Salt
Lake City Lisa Barlow. They've been married since two thousand
and three and have two kids, two boys, Jack and Henry.
Lisa and John have been on the Housewives for the
entirety of its existence. I think it's been six years.
(00:29):
John is an entrepreneur with multiple businesses, including his and
his wife's tequila brand, Vita Tequila. I think we're going
to get to talk about a little bit more about that.
So John Barlow, welcome to the EDS.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Oh thanks for having me, guys. It's an honor, which.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
By the way, I've had that tequila and I just
want to endorse it, very very good tequila. John was
nice enough to send me a bottle and enjoyed every
drink of that, So thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Oh No, I'm glad that you told me that arrived,
because I was racking my brain since we had the schedule.
I like, I hope I did send him that bottle.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah, no, it was. It was really good, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
I was supposed to confirm that we got it too.
I think we did, but my wife didn't know if
we had it at the big beer house or here.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
But and it's it's a nice looking bottle too. It's
it's a sexy bottle.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
I can when we get into this, I'll give you
backstory to the bottle and everything. There's actually a story
to pretty much all of it.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Well it doesn't have a story, then nobody wants to
know about it.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Right, Yeah, yeah, true, it's all branding nowadays.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
It is.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
It is so John, you've been on the Housewives for
six years. Let's go a little bit backwards before the
Housewife and learn a little bit about you. Tell us
where'd you grow up in how'd you end up where
you're at today?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
So I have a little bit different of a story,
I guess than some people. Not everybody, but some people.
I was adopted as a baby and was give up
as a baby, adopted, but then returned and then adopted
by my parents, and so that's how my life started.
And whenever Lisa and I have any type of discussions,
(02:10):
you know, maybe arguments, whatever, She's always like, I'm gonna
give you up for the third time.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
That's low, man, that is low.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
But yeah, no, my so, my parents adopted me when
I was a baby. I was in foster care for
about I think like three or four months. Oh wow
again as a baby. Yeah, so I have a I
have an affinity for adoption, for foster care, that sort
of thing. But we grew up all over. My dad
was an executive at IBM. So let's see, we lived
(02:43):
in four different places in northern California before I was ten,
and in between there, we actually moved to Peoria, Illinois
for about nine months, and then back to California, and
then from California moved to southern Florida Folk Rotone. And
then the middle of my sophomore year in high school,
we moved to the Dallas Fort Worth area in Texas.
(03:03):
And and I guess, I guess. I don't know if
post Malone claims anything that, but I graduated from the
high school that post Malone graduated from. Great nine. That's cool,
and so and I lived in Colleyville and then But yeah,
so I grew up all over. I'm a beach bumb
at heart, even though living in a landlocked state.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Is that your your your go to sport or hobby,
surfing or beach.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Just so volleyball go to Yeah, I was never. I
never lived in California long enough to learn how to surf.
And then Florida, you know on the east side there's
no waves unless you're hurricane season. Yeah no, and uh.
I actually started playing volleyball in high school and played
(03:50):
semi pro two man volleyball. So a huge, huge fan
of the beach sand.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
How tall are you?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I'm six four?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Oh, there you go.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
But if I've got the right shoes on six or five?
Speaker 2 (04:05):
So did you grow up Mormon?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
I did, Yes, Yes, grew up LDS. I actually served
the mission in Las Vegas, of all places. Wow, it
was it was That was very eye opening to me
because growing up a lot of guys that are in
the Church that want to go on missions there everybody
talks about the foreign speaking missions or the foreign missions.
And I took Spanish from middle school through high school French.
(04:30):
My first three semesters at by U. My best friend
was going to South Africa, another friends going to Iceland,
another one going to Russia. I opened my vishould call
Las Vegas, like do I really want to go.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
So what was the mission in Vegas?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
So it's it's so the LDS missions are the same
no matter where you go. You're you know, going out
telling people about the LDS Church, really serving the communities
that you're living in, you know, helping people wherever you can.
And so at the time, you know, we're going back
thirty years, it was the entire state of Nevada, plus
(05:09):
a little piece of Arizona and California, and now there's
I think four or five missions just in the state
of Nevada.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
You were you trying to convert people on the strip.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
That was a place we were not allowed to go.
And so no, but there there were a lot of
urban missionary stories of guys, you know, we would go
what's called tracting, knocking on doors and there was there
were a lot of urban stories of missionaries knocking on
doors and strippers opening the door with robes completely opened
(05:41):
like they had just gotten back from work or something.
It never happened to me, so I can't say if
it was Yeah, exactly, I can't say if it's true
or not.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
But so do you go on your mission and then
go to BYU? Is that how that works?
Speaker 4 (06:03):
So you first take two years, so you go from
high school to then do your mission for two years
and then go to college after.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
That you could have so nowadays they have missionaries go
typically when they're eighteen. So essentially, yeah, right out of
high school. Like our son Jack, he just got back
from serving to mission in Bogueta, Columbia, and he went
right out of high school. But from back when I went,
the guys were nineteen when they would go ok, and
(06:29):
I was a young kid. So I was seventeen when
I graduated high school, and I was able to get
squeezed three semesters in at BYU before going on my mission.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
So I forgot to ask John, do you have any siblings?
Speaker 3 (06:43):
I have, yes, so's there's four of us, four kids
in my family. The oldest three, my older sister, myself,
and my brother are all adopted, and then my younger
sister is biologically my parents. And it's almost like two
sets because my older sister's two years older than me.
Then there's seven years between me and my brother, and
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then my sister is the youngest.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
So your older sister came first and then you came,
and then they decided to give you up and then
take you back.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Oh no, no, they probably did want to give me
up quite a few times as I was. I wouldn't
doubt that. No, no, it was it was just when
I was a baby, so I was, you know, my
birth mother had to give me up. So then I
was adopted by a family. But I had some medical
conditions that they didn't feel that they could handle, so
(07:34):
they returned me. And so I was in foster Carolina.
I said, only for a short period. But my and
that's when my parents they actually adopted me through LDS
Church Services. Okay, so they adopted me when I was
a baby.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
So you you weren't taken back by the original parents,
you were adopted by a new set of parents. Yeah,
good for you. Wow, okay, excellent.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
It sounds like you landed with a great family too.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah I did.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
I love them. I mean it's great, you know, just
like every family has weird dynamics. I'm very fortunate with
with who I who, who my parents are.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Did you ever meet your biological parents?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
There's a story behind that. So I growing up, my
parents were always very open and in a positive way
about us being adopted. And you know, it's essentially saying
you were really wanted type. Yeah. And so from the
time I was I could remember, I knew I was adopted,
and I never had that burning desire to find out
(08:35):
who my biological parents were for anything. I actually I
knew I was born in Pasadena, California, so I just
assumed my parents were from California. Your birth parents were
from California, and my going I'm born my birthday is
actually next week, so it's in November. So if you
go back nine months, I figured I was a Valentine's baby.
I thought two kids were just hooking up on Valentine's
(08:56):
and I was a byproduct.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Do you know anything about them?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Oh? So Lisa was very interested. Of course, Yes, I
had never like I said, I never had a desire really,
and my parents weren't parents. And so six or seven
years actually, no, seven or eight years ago. Now with
ancestry dot Com, you know, it's like, hey, this fitness
(09:20):
tube and I'm like, I know what you're doing. And
I was interested in more heritage type stuff because I
don't don't know. And as soon as the results came back,
Lisa was on Ancestry just checking away. First cousin that
means something. She's on Facebook, Oh my gosh, reaching out.
And she reached out to this one guy and she's like, hey,
(09:41):
I think my husband is your half brother.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
What kind of announcement is that? And so he's like,
I think you're mistaken that. I don't think that's right.
And so, you know, long story short, he was he
ended up being my half brother.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
And he uh went to his mom and asked and
at first she denied it, and then a couple of
weeks later, because they're very LDS and so a couple
of weeks later she admitted to him, yes, you know
I did. But and she actually wanted to marry the guy.
She was only she was nineteen, so it wasn't like,
you know, really young. Yeah, but when the guy found
(10:20):
out that she was pregnant, he's like, I'm out of here.
And so her parents just you know, had her. They
were in Arizona, moved had her, moved to California to
have me and then go back and so so yeah,
so she and I actually messaged quite a bit. She's great.
My birth mother's like she sends packages for the kids.
And it was tough at first. Yeah, for a few
(10:42):
different reasons, but it was. But it's overall, it's been
a cool experience.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
That sounds very cool, like a great, you know, fairy
tale almost story, and it's just going to continue to grow,
which is amazing.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
So California, guy, beach guy, you obviously end up in Utah,
you go BYU. Why did you decide to ultimately stay
in Utah and why not come to Cali?
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Uh? Well, so California was on the radar. My buddy
and I actually did a trip down to San Diego
area when after we had graduated, and uh man, the
cost of living down there was just so crazy. Yea,
So we're like, I think we're gonna stick in Utah
for now. And uh you know, I actually when I
(11:29):
first graduated from BYU, I moved to Chicago and worked
for a company just outside of Chicago and ended up
being a horrible job, just a crappy situation all the
way around. And by that time, my parents had moved
here to Utah, and so I had friends here, family here,
so I'm like, I'm just going to move back. Came
back here and ended up starting with a startup company
(11:53):
and fell in love with with what I was doing
and in the process, met Lisa, everything like that, and
you know, for the first you know, after for the
first like five or six years after being back from
my mission, I hated Utah, But you know, I've really
gone to love it. I think it's an amazing place.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I think it's beautiful too. There's some great places. Yeah,
so let's get into a little bit more about how
you met Lisa and that you mentioned, and we're really curious.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
So I think we've touched on it on the show,
but it's it's in another funny story. So her, her
older sister, Gina, was a missionary in my mission. So
you've got you've got elders, which are the guy missionaries,
and sisters, which are the female missionaries. And so we
were friends in the mission. When we both she got
back like six months before me and was at b
(12:45):
y U. I came home. We connected and we we
never like got serious or anything, but we went out
a few times over the course of a few months
or something like that. She was her sister, of her
older sister. Yeah, no, her older sister. She was interested
in getting more serious. But you know, I was a
(13:05):
twenty one year old, dumb, immature kid, and I'm like
there's no way I want to be serious with anybody. Yeah,
so we kind of went our own ways. But while
we were hanging out. I initially met Lesta when she
came over to the condo where I was living to
watch a movie with me with her sister and with
our with my roommate. And she, you know, she'll tell
(13:28):
you the same thing. She brought over ice cream. She
hated the guy that I was living with, and she's like,
I'm taking my ice cream and leaving. I vaguely remember that,
but then fast forward quite a few years and ran
into her other sister. She's got four sisters.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Okay, so I ran into her other sister who I'd
gotten to know whall kind of hanging out with Gina,
and her name is Denise. And Denise was like, hey,
we got to hang out. Okay, yeah, that sounds cool.
So JT, my friend that I was living with at
the time, we go over. We're like, hey, we're gonna
go with a baseball game with them. And that's when
Denise at the last minute told Lisa, oh, John Barlow's
(14:09):
coming over to take us to a baseball game, and
Lisa hated it because she felt like I did her
sister dirty. Yeah, and so just we actually all just
hung out as friends for a while. And then at
about like two or three months later at Lisa and
I started really hanging out and dating and dated for
two years and then got married.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Well, tell us about the spark when when you guys
decided to like date, How did that happen?
Speaker 3 (14:31):
It was she was just she was just such a cool,
cool girl from the get go. You know, I mean,
you guys, what do you guys see on the show
As far as Lisa, that's really her. You know. She's fiery, opinionated, brilliant,
you know, and obviously beautiful, and you know, we were
It was kind of I don't know if there was
one specific moment, but we would go and we would
(14:54):
go get sodas or something or go to lunch, you know,
every other week because where I worked, where she worked
at the time where like a mile apart, and so
we just meet up and it was just all friends,
that sort of thing. And then one weekend, uh, everybody
headed out of town except release and I I was like, hey,
let's let's go see a movie, just thinking as friends. Yeah,
(15:14):
we got out of the car and we just started
holding hands and it was like, Okay, I guess something's happening.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Wow, So I got to ask, So you dated for
two years?
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (15:24):
So both of you guys beat lds. Did you wait
two years to be intimate?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
We did? All done? We did? I so and it
shows that hard did it? Are you talking? Are you
talking like anatomically or.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I just discipline in that?
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Yeah? Yeah, no, you're looking back were we both are like?
Why did one? Why did we wait for having to
have sex? And then also why did we wait to
get married? But I a little bit more into me.
I was married when I was twenty three, divorced at
twenty four, and when I got back from my mission,
I had made I came back, you know, a whole
(16:09):
different mindset on life and everything and how I wanted
to approach things. And one of them was I was
very I'm very serious with goals, and one of my
goals when I got back was I would not marry
someone until I'd been home for two years at least.
And I met the girl that I married within the
first year, and then it was a year and a
half when I got after i'd been home, we got married.
(16:31):
So when we got divorced. I told myself, I'm not.
It was partly because I didn't stick to my goals. Yeah,
and I was like, I'm not going to marry someone
unless I date it for two years. And it drove
Lisa nuts because after a year She's like, I'm ready
to get married and like we can't. I'm like, I cannot,
you know, break my goal. And so but looking back, I, yeah,
(16:53):
I wish we had gotten married Fastard. So we had fun.
I mean it was great, and yeah it was it
was not definitely definitely hard in many ways.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Wow, can't imagine.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Now, talk to us a little bit about obviously you
you mentioned you went to go work for a startup.
When did you go from uh working for someone to
becoming an entrepreneur?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
It was so the I'm trying to think the best
way to answer that. The the startup is what kind
of got me. Really, the juice was Floan for wanting
to be an entrepreneur. You know, I was their first
salesperson that they brought on and essentially took them you know,
five hundred million or five hundred thousand, about twelve million
in three years, and and they later sold and still
(17:43):
you know it was probably like was it. Lisa and
I were married for about three or four years when
really the opportunity with Vita came along, and it is
something that we both talked about. She's very entrepreneurial minded.
I'm so so like I had to be. Like I said,
my dad worked for I be On for thirty five years,
so that was kind of what I was used to.
(18:03):
But after doing a lot of reading and everything as
I was growing up or growing with work and everything
like that, you know, we decided, yeah, we want to
jump in and do our own thing.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
So is Vita your first business? You've had other businesses
besides Veto right.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
We have, Yeah, we've had real estate businesses. We've had Vita.
We've got hart Seltzer called Blue Jay. Lisa has her
event marketing company, her experiential marketing company called Lucks. And
we also started a business with our boys called Fresh Wolf.
It's men's grooming products. And I don't know, we need
(18:40):
to get you guys some I've probably failed to send
you some out broad but it's you know, it's people
think that it's for boys because we've got our sons involved,
but it's men's grooming products.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
But how old are your boys?
Speaker 3 (18:53):
So Jack's twenty one, he just turned twenty one last month,
and then Henry is thirteen, turning fourteen in December.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Oh wow, big age difference.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Okay, yeah, well, Vita's our middle child.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Oh so is Jack kind of taking the rings and
like running the business or is he just kind of learning?
Speaker 3 (19:14):
I'd say still learning. So he's he now is going
to the University of Utah. Oh and so it's his
first semester going to the college. He's he's loving it.
He's the degree he chows its finance and so you know,
he's I told him. I was like, you can never
go wrong with the finance degree, whether you're doing your
own thing or you want to work. Agree.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
And I just told my daughter that, my seventeen year old.
I just told her that.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
It's I wish my parents had told me that, but
it was. But no, but he's he actually, Oh, we
have our lounge too. Next whenever you guys come up here,
next you got to go to Park City. We've got
our Vita Tequila lounge. And Jack's probably going to start
doing some shifts up there, just so he gets no
bar attending and all that stuff. Now that he's twenty one,
(20:00):
but we he I'm going to start. I've had him
go on trips with me to visit accounts, you know,
before his mission and everything. We like I said, we
created fresh Wolf partly so that they could become assimilated
to business. Yeah, and so Jack is he's actually really
what's the word, participates a lot with the fresh Wolf stuff.
(20:21):
Like he's handling the Shopify, he's working with manufacturer, he's
doing social media posts all of that time.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Did you get any did you get any backlash from
the LDS community from you know, with the tequila tequila
and a tequila company, right, that's that's a great.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Great question. That's yeah, No, yes, we did. We did
at first. So it's kind of funny because you know,
we're going back over fifteen years and a lot has
changed between then as far as just the way people
perceive things. And when we first started, we did we
had some people in our you know, they call him
wards but where our congregation where they'd be like you
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do what they'd like kind of walk away and essentially
talking under their breath that they think were horrible people.
And so we did get a little bit of that.
The funny part is some of those same people a
couple of weeks later come knocking on our door and
they'd be like, Oh, I've got a friend coming in
town that loves tequila. Do you guys happen to have
a bottle. We're like, okay, We're like, it's for your
(21:23):
friend or you know or client or maybe you know.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Friend.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Yeah, exactly, And so now you know, there's where we live.
It's nice. There's a lot of business owners and entrepreneurs
and so, you know, people get it, and it's it's
kind of funny because yeah, nobody even cares.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, no, that's that.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
And then I assume you had to taste of tequilla yourself.
You I assume you're drinker.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
So I drinker might be a little bit strong. So
I had never tasted enough. Yeah, I had never tasted
tequila before we got in to it. And so it's
you know, I wish I had like a sexy story
where you know, we went down and we spent months,
you know, canvassing Mexico for that one distillery or something
(22:12):
like that.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Why did the idea come up then? Is it Lisa's
idea or was it mutual or.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
So I was doing some importing, exporting from Mexico already
with some hot sauces and getting into wines, and we
were introduced to our distillery down there, and it was
just it was something that, you know, talk talking to Lisa,
we both agreed, We're like, I think this is we
could do something with this. Yeah, And you know, Lisa
grew up not LDS for a larger portion of her life,
(22:41):
and her extended family is not, so she was a
lot more you know.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
So she knew tequila.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Yeah, she knew tequila. She knew the spirits industry as
a whole, and and so she's like, let's go, let's
go for it. And she's the one that named it.
We're trying to come up with a name. And she
literally sat up at three in the morning one night
She's like, it's got to be Vita, because Vita means
light nobody can take life. Yeah, like okay, I was
like great, you know she and she's the one, like
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I said, when we started, the bottle actually looked like
the Tron and Don Julio had a baby, and so
we went through a rebrand and Lisa is the one
that designed the bottle that we have now and she
wanted it shaped almost like a woman's body with the
shoulders and then slope is the neck, and you're very
specific on how That's why.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
I love that bottle so much. I like the bump.
Now I'm like, yeah, I don't know what it is
about bump. So so I like cars as well. So
I've always liked Porsches. I like a little bump on
the you know, so the bottle you go to Porsche.
I love the ninety eleven, nine eleven turbos might go
to although I love an RS, so the new RS
(23:49):
I love.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
You know, but yeah, you can't go wrong with Yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Can't go wrong with those. But yeah, well you guys
did a great job on that tequila.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
So yeah, we're very well. I'm very proud of it.
Thank you. You know, it's award winning, it's in tons
of markets we're working with internationally. Yeah, and you know,
it's it's been. It's been a lot of fun. But
you guys are entrepreneurs, you know how it is. It's
it's a roller coaster. It is. There's days where you're
just like, why the hell am I doing this? Yeah,
(24:19):
I think you know, there's been days where I'm like
I think flipping burgers might actually be better for my
mind than anything else. And there's nothing wrong with anybody
that's flipping burgers. Yeah, but you know it's it is
but there it is fun. You know, the fun parts
outweigh you know the bad.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Part absolutely so.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
John. Speaking of you know, entrepreneurship, you know that people
often talk about, especially now, diversifying and having different businesses,
and I've always been a big believer of yeah, that's fine,
but you always have to have one that is your
bread and butter, like the one that's just consistent over
that you can always count on, that's just the cash
flow one that comes in that then allows you to
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best in all these other businesses. What business would that
be for you? Which one is there? Sort of bread
and butter your go to?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Definitely Vita. You know, Vita has been around the longest.
We we understand the spirits industry from kind of to
your point, from Vita, our heart Seltzer actually spawned off
from that because the heart Seltzer we call it's blue
Jay again from something with Lisa story behind that. Yeah,
but uh so blue Jay is there's no tequila in it,
(25:30):
but it's a gave a gave flavored or gave centered
and what they what are the producer did is they
actually extracted the flavors of our blanco and put it
into the margarita and the paloma flavor, and then extracted
the flavors of our repsodon't put it in the next
mule flavor and and so yeah, definitely Vita And like
(25:51):
I said, blue Jay spawned off that. Yeah, you know,
and fresh Wolf is still rather new, but it's something
that you know, we were able to do because of
all the other stuff that we're doing.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
So I know you don't drink, but if you, if
you did, or the few times you do, are you
a blanco guy reposado or a Yeho guy?
Speaker 3 (26:09):
So? But you know, I I do enjoy a good drink,
though I will say, you know, if I'm not drinking
ur tequila, I love Irish whiskey and so and a
good bourbon is you know you can that can never
go wrong as far as our tequila. It sounds cliche.
I feel like I'm choosing children favorites because I think
(26:29):
they're all great. Then Yeho though, for me, is really
the one that to sit down and just sip and enjoy.
You know there it's it's two years, age two years
and French oak barrels and it's it's just amazing. And
like I said, all three are great for sipping. But Dineo,
I think it's just you know, top of top of
the line.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
So let's get in to you and Lisa and about
the show. How were you or what was your reaction
when you first got introduced to it, like potentially being
on the show or do you even know when you
got invited that it was going to be a housewife show?
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Yeah, so the interesting backstory, and there's been some disagreement
on this, but Lisa is the one that brought the
show here. Oh and so we definitely knew what was
going on. She had actually filmed a couple of pilots
or we had actually filmed a couple of pilots even
prior to this one. Oh and so Michael Aene is
the producer that actually presented the show to Bravo and
(27:40):
her company. And what happened is different people have been
trying to connect Lisa to Michael Leene for a couple
of years and just they never could And then finally,
you know, being here in Utah and with Tequila we're
friends with a lot of the restaurant owners and one
of them, specifically her I think it's her husband's her
husband's friend was a producer with Michael Lean and was saying, Hey,
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we want to do a women on an entrepreneur type
type show. Do you know who we should talk to?
And immediately they're like, you got to talk to Lisa Barlowe.
And so Lisa met with Michael Lean and started talking
about it. And you know, we we're really good friends
with the Marx, Mereth and Seth. You know, we go
back over ten years with them.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
So you Lisa recommended Meredith, she recommended Heather, who Heather
recommended Whitney and I think we're Jen or something like that,
and so, you know, it was it was a it
was a really interesting process just from you know, started
to finish because the we filmed, they had the husband's
(28:41):
film with the wives a few times, but it's mainly
just the wives at the different parties for the civil
and uh, you know, they what was it? They put it,
packaged it together. And my understanding is there were about
two hundred or so submissions that month Bravo, and this
one was the only one that they picked, and they
liked it so much that they wanted it to have
the housewives, you know, Juggernaut behind it, so they Housewives
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of Salt Lake City.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Wow were you? Were you nervous going in?
Speaker 3 (29:12):
I didn't know what I didn't know what to think really,
So I think you'd probably get this from a lot
of the husbands. I never watched any housewife show before, okay,
and so I knew nothing about it other than arguing.
You know, obviously the table flipping's famous and everything like that.
You know, I would be out in the front room
watching Sports Center till midnight, come in the bedroom to
(29:34):
go to bed, and least it would have probably O
C or Beverly Hills on and and I'd be like, okay,
I'm not going to deal with this, and I just
go and sleep on the couch.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I remember those days.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Yeah, So did you look at it more as I
would assume? Correct me if I'm wrong, you're sitting back,
because I kind of the way. That's the way I
looked at it as well. If I go on the show.
It's great for marketing, it's great for business. You know,
you obviously have a vita. Your tequila company was around already. Yeah,
did that in your in your mind? Did that play
(30:07):
a part of it? Well, if I go on the show,
we can market our tequila.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Yeah, no, of course. You know, it's really two things.
One obviously is same with you guys. Wanted to support Lisa,
you know, with whatever she wanted to do. And secondly,
supporting Lisa with it wasn't hard because really the reason
why we really wanted to do it was just for Beta,
you know, for the marketing. And you know, I think
(30:32):
the way that Lisa says that, and I agree, people
that come on and you know, unless you have something
that you're really trying to promote, you're just coming on
to yell and screen. Yeah, and and so you know,
we thought, okay, this will be great exposure for the brand,
which it has been. I mean, we've got people in
Scotland messaging us, Hey, we want beta, you know type. Yeah,
and so it was yes, but so but I came
(30:54):
in totally blind, like not knowing what to expect.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
So this season some of them members are attacking the business.
How do you at least to handle that?
Speaker 3 (31:06):
We just take it for what it is, you know,
we're they're they're giving us more attention, you know, it's
it's in my opinion, it's sad because especially nowadays, you know,
women up should be uplifting women or not. I don't
know if I should should say should be uplifting women,
but that's you know, the kind of the line of thinking.
And when you see women on any of the franchises
(31:27):
tearing down their businesses, their families or anything, it's really like,
it's kind of sad to see because you could still
have the drama and everything without trying to ruin someone's life.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Yeah, has it affected the business set all the fact
that they're or is it bad press?
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Is good press? Sometimes?
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Well, let's let's unpack that a little bit, like what
was what was it that they did to try to
affect your business in a negative way?
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Uh? Oh, they're just bringing up stuff from the past.
You know, we've we've had just like any businesses, we've
had lawsuits in the past, okay, and move past it.
But they're trying to make it more salacious than it was.
Oh okay, and so you know it's just like yeah,
and Lisa in one of the episodes, she's like, okay, guys,
you talked about me when I wasn't here. This is
(32:12):
what you were talking about. It's all taken care of.
Let's move on that way.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
I've never seen a big company that hasn't gotten sued.
Everybody gets.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Yeah, big company, small companies.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
It's part of the game. If you're going, you're gonna
get sued.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
You got you gotta have a budget for that. That's
super important. It's going to happen. It's gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
To quote Lisa, nobody goes for the bottom, right, So
it's yeah, it does. And it's just but yeah, I
mean we've Lisa and I just kind of sit back
and we're like, okay, whatever next.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yeah, yeah, I mean ticket as it comes. Were you
friends with some or all the husbands before you started filming?
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Just Seth. So we Yeah, Lisa was introduced to Meredith
probably twelve or thirteen years ago. Okay, and so met Seth,
Like we go out to dinner. There's oldest son, Reed
who you sometimes see on the show, actually taught Jack
basketball for a couple of years, and and and Lisa
did Chloe's bought mitzvah and so you know, so we
(33:13):
go back with them. The other guys I met during
you know, during the process and everything.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
So I have a two part question and the first
part is the most important, and that is how has
the show affected your your marriage good and bad? And
has a show affected your long term relationship with your
friends that you came on the show with? Has it
changed it at all?
Speaker 3 (33:37):
M So with as far as like Lisa and I,
we're pretty much the same as you know, as we
were before the show. You know, we were both even
though it doesn't come across on the show both we're
both alpha. You know, we both want to be in charge,
even though you know with the show it's the housewives,
so you know, support our wives, and so you know
(34:01):
we're We would butt heads before the show was ever around.
We butt heads now. You know. We loved each other before,
we love each other now. It's I will say, it's
been interesting with the show because you guys can relate
to this one hundred percent too. It's a unique way
of documenting your life right with your kids, yeah, you
(34:21):
and your relationship. So not everybody can go on demand
from five years ago and say, oh my gosh, my
son was you know, eight years old and now he's
fourteen and see how it goes, or watch you know,
Lisa and I interact and so it's i'd say it's
I don't know if I could. I don't know if
i'd say it's like strengthen it, but definitely hasn't weakened.
(34:43):
You know, we're, like I said, we're kind of still
We've we've been married over twenty years now and so
it's been through a lot. Well.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
I always say that if you're a couple that goes
into a reality TV front platform and you have any
cracks in your relationship, it's going to show. You know,
it's just a matter of time that those cracks get
bigger for because of the pressure of the TV and
the social media and everything that's coming at you. You know,
it's not a normal life. But if there's cracks in
(35:11):
there and you and you know, I mean, it's like
the typical statistics, more divorced housewives than not. You know,
I think we were just talking about this, said when
last time we had our guests and Beverly Hills, they're
all divorced, right.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
That's true, that's I think what was that Kyle Marie
last one or maybe his greet and PK were the
last one standing.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
But yeah, yeah, divorce or in jail.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
It's the separation. Yeah, and relate to that with our cast. Yeah. No,
and you know, friend wise, Seth and I are really good.
We went through you know, there was the hot mic
moment that Lisa's famous for. I think it was the
second season and where she kind of lost her ship
(35:57):
and they usut outside. Well, it was just a lot
of pressure, you know, you're talking about pressure just building up. Yeah,
and she felt that that Meredith wasn't kind of supporting
her the way that she was hoping because they came
on such good friends and everything. Yeah. And so Lisa,
because she didn't want to explode in front of the
(36:19):
group because they were on a trip, walked away from
the table, took off her mic, and went into her
room and just started yelling, you know, like at her pillow.
You know, like everybody does it, you know, like you
want to just put your face in the pillow and scream,
or you just went into a room and out out
let loose. It's just so happens that there's a production
team around you and they had a mic. They say,
(36:41):
they had a mic right outside the room. Yeah. And
so for the next year or so, things were a
little tense with Seth and I, but you know, we
it was kind of I don't know if you guys
did this, And it wasn't anything real formal but the
husbands when we started, you know, justin shreifuh, not really
Mary's husband, but me and Seth, you know, we kind
(37:03):
of had this understanding that we would never talk bad
about the wives or anything like that, Okay, and because
I never never fares well, yeah, and plus we don't
want to talk bad about them anyway. And so even
during that time, you know, Seth never really say anything
bad about Lisa, but it wasn't like we could really
you know, hang out. But everything's now water under the
(37:23):
bridge and you know, Lisa and Mereth are great, and
so you know, Seth and I will when he gets
in town, we'll go to dinner and stuff. I'm looking
forward to seeing him next week.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Also, tell me about your desire or lack of desire
to be part of the show. Did you ever feel like,
I mean, for me, for example, when the cameras are around,
I feel like I got to I gotta perform. I
gotta do some sort of dog and pony show because
there's a camera, you know, pointed at me, and I've
said some stupid things, which you know, thank god they
(37:52):
didn't make him on the air. But I just felt
this pressure. Did you ever feel this pressure like I
got to do something because of are up? Or were
you just.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Yeah, more on the more on the you know, trying
and trying to maintain who I am, And it wasn't
so much pressure to do something, more pressure to not
do something, you know, like like not do the stupid things.
You know, I will say that before we started really filming,
I watched a couple of different franchises to see what
the husband's were like, kind of like, Okay, don't do that,
(38:25):
don't do that, don't do that. And so you know,
I try to I try to be me whether the
cameras are rolling or not, which I still have said
stupid things, and you know, it might not be about
anybody who might just be a conversation with Lisa and
I where a week later she's like, you're such a
dumb ass. Why would you say this or whatever, and
(38:46):
I'm like, sorry, it wasn't you know, I'm not as
well trained.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Yeah, when you watched Eddie's Eddie's bathtub scene, did you
say I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
I actually watched it like ten or twenty times. That's
the benefit of you know, man, what nothing to do
on your first day of filming. Hey, I was taking notes.
You could say, how for whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
I always like to say I'm a slow learner because
I do try to take in all variables before I
make a final judgment or decision. But I was a
slow learner until I figured it out. And I'm like, Okay,
I can't control this and I don't want to be
the six housewives, so I'm going to stay away. When
the ship hits the fan, I'm going to be standing
behind the cameras so they don't get my reaction. They
(39:33):
don't get me involved, and you know, it's just better
not to be involved. I did see a clip that
you guys attended the reunion with your wives. How was
that experience.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
So they've had a set all but one or no, yeah,
all but one reunion okay, maybe two. Overall have been good.
Last year's was interesting because there was some lies perpetuated
during the reunion from one of the husbands, and so I,
you know, I did step in and I was like,
(40:08):
you know, watch how you're talking to my wife essentially, yeah,
and you know, essentially I was what I exactly said
was watch your tone. Yeah, and because again, like I said,
we shouldn't beat addressing anybody's wife in any derogatory way.
And you know so, but that was about it. It was,
you know, but the three's are they're interesting. I think
(40:32):
the best one that we had was when we weren't
didn't go on stage. It was Seth Justin and I
just like kicking back the whole day. I think we're
on Instagram live for like three hours.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
That's cool, but I didn't realize. So you guys are
are on stage with the girls.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Yeah they Yeah, they've had us on stage for at
least I think it was yeah, three three of the
seasons or yeah, so far.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
So do you get to charge for that since you're
on stage now, well.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
You're giving a free yeah. Yeah. No, it's as you
guys know, husbands may not even minimum wage, so it's
were there to support.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
It's free labor. And I'm not good with that. I
mean unless it's charitable, and this is hardly charitable.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Eddie. Have you ever done the finale?
Speaker 1 (41:24):
I was just thinking that and when I want to
say no, because I just never wanted to be in
that situation. And because I'd love to see that, I'd
have to ask my wife because she has a better
memory than I have, But I'd have to ask her.
But when you know, when it came down to it,
you know, when you're not paying me to do anything,
(41:46):
I'm not going to do it. Right, this is bullshit.
And they did offer me. I do remember them offering
me a measately five thousand dollars or something stupid like
that to go, and I'm like no, and I said,
my number is fifty million dollars. And it's been fifteen
million dollars ever since.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
And I John, I got.
Speaker 4 (42:04):
I got to give you a lot of props because
that's one thing I probably wouldn't do.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Those girls are scary.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
Yeah, it's like it is to get in the mix with,
because I mean it's it's open game at that point
once you get once you sit on that couch.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
Oh yeah, well they they're pretty spray with the husbands.
They're pretty good with the husbands where it's not and
if if there's any shots fired at the husband's it's
usually because the husbands insert themselves. That makes sense. Yeah,
I make sure that I do not speak unless spoken
to and smart, and that's and that's by Andy. You know,
(42:37):
if Andy asked me a question, happy to answer if
anybody else does, It's like, I don't know if I'm
going to answer, yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
So well, I gotta I gotta give you guys props too,
because my wife obviously watches a lot of the shows
to report on the two teas in the PUD podcast,
and I mean, I don't know how she handles it,
because I would be killing myself watching all these different franchises.
But she has said that the Salt Lake City house
Wise really know how to do their job, meaning they
(43:08):
know how to how to perform, They know how to
get in a fight and then make up. Because I
guess that's really the premise of the show, right it's fight, makeup,
fight makeup, and and I think the audience loves to
see that. But what's been happening, which started in Jersey
and it's kind of made its way into Orange County,
is all these lies, these these fake stories that have
(43:32):
no merit to them.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
You know.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
It's like you have all these lies that potentially can
you know, hurt that person or that person's business. I mean,
let's go back to probably five or six years ago,
maybe seven years ago, there was this whole scene that
was perpetrated on the show, our show where they were
at Vicky's house and they were all collaborating. You know,
(43:55):
they can't get to Tama anymore, so they come after
me and they the acting was terrible, but they put
out there that, oh, I saw Eddie coming out of
a room with some guy, and oh, yeah, that's what
makes Eddie gay, right, and all these were false stories. Yeah,
that's just wrong.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
You know.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
I'm all about calling people out on their bullshit. Like
my wife, she's really good at finding the bullshit and
everybody and she'll call you out. But she will never
make up false stories just to be relevant on the show.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
And I don't know if that's happening on the Salt
Lake City, but I don't think that's right.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
Yeah, I I totally agree with you. I don't like that.
I don't like the gang ups that happens. And you know,
please tell Tama. You know, I appreciate her helping Lisa
walk off the ledge the last couple of weeks, because
you know, Lisa has been getting ganged up on a
bit and Tamra and her and Lisa we're messaging and
Term's like, I totally get it. You're fine, you know,
(44:55):
don't sweat it. And you know, even though Lisa, just
like you're both of your wives, they're very strong women,
they still it's still nice to have some you know,
someone saying you've got this, you know, outside of us. Yeah,
and so it's you know, make sure to tell her
I appreciate it. You know. I can tell Lisa she's fine,
and Lisa will be like, you're full of shit. But
(45:15):
if camera said that, then she's like, Okay, that's gospel.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Well here's the question for both of you.
Speaker 4 (45:20):
So, since I guess both both of your wives are
sort of having the same type of season as far
as getting attacked, what's the number one thing you guys
try to do for them when they're having a season
that that's like that.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
Oh. Well, for me, which is I have not been
doing a good job of this year is listen and
not try and fix anything, because I will. In the past,
I've been a lot better at just listening and letting
Lisa get through everything, and but this year I've been like, no,
I think you should try and say this or this,
and she's like, it doesn't work. It doesn't work. She's like,
(45:56):
and you know, if you were talking with one of
your friends or someone at a job or something like that,
then it would work, but it doesn't work in this situation.
So every time, I'm like, just listen, let her talk,
and you know, don't try and fix anything.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
And that's exactly the way to handle it, because for
the many years that we've been doing it, it's it's
been in the beginning, like you should have said this,
or you should try this, and I get the same answer, no,
it doesn't work that way on reality TV. And sometimes
I say, well, then why you're asking me.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
Wrong?
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Mistake, don't say that.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
No, don't say that. No. I know a lot of
times I'll practice it. I'm like, do you want me
to listen or do you want feedback any type.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
Of So that's really good, John, that's good advice there.
I think that's the problem with most men. I mean,
that was my problem with me was I was always
trying to fix things and sometimes they just want you
to listen.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
They don't need you to fix it.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Now, one thing I learned, you know, and Edwin, I
know you're part of bo or YPO. But the rule
is is that you listen and you share your experience
if you have a similar experience. If you don't, you
shut the cup and you don't say anything.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Right, Yeah, you don't give advice to share your experience.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Yeah, And and and that I think that's a solid
rule in all aspects of life, even from just a
friendship to family. If you have experience, you don't give advice.
You just share your experience because it might help or
it might just not be completely the same. And I can't.
I can honestly tell you I don't have the experience
(47:30):
my wife has on this show. She has to deal
with the toxicity of it all and navigate through all
of it almost by herself. And I think most of
the housewives are in those shoes, right, because you certainly
can't go to your coworkers and talk about it just
turn around and use it against you.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
Yeah. Yeah. And we as husbands, it's not like we're
gonna go get in anybody's face.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
No.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
And I you know the crazy part too, is there
is there is negativity. And I think that's what just
in general in life. With the show and with Bravo,
there's a lot of positive stuff too, and so you know,
trying to kind of shift focus, as difficult as it is,
you know, onto some of the positives. I remember Lisa
(48:15):
the first season, and you guys can relate to this too,
you know, not knowing what it's like. You know, you
film with your wife, you film with your family, you
walk away, you're like, and Lisa and I were like,
we did it. Everybody's gonna love us. We're so cool.
And then you watch it and you see the ladies
like saying, oh, Lisa's a bitch or this or that,
and that first season Lisa would be it would take
(48:37):
like a day to recovery for her. But I told
her one day and this was she actually liked that.
I actually that I said this, And it's probably after
listening for quite a while, but I was like, because ideal,
I like sports, and I just kind of compared it
to the NBA. The NBA is a very elite group, right,
you have roughly thirty teams, fifteen guys per team out
(48:59):
of the whole world. Yeah, And so I told Lisa,
I'm like, your group is even more elite than the NDA.
I'm like, think about it. There's you know, ten franchises
and five to six ladies per franchise. I'm like, you
are special, and you know she it took her a
little bit, but she did take it in to where
she's like, Okay, I hit it and it helps, you know,
it helps me. You know, I guess shift the focus
(49:22):
from the negativity as hard as it is, but there
is a lot of good good stuff too.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
In the beginning, I actually had my wife convinced. I
think I had my wife convinced that it's a business.
You go do your job and do a really good
job about it, come home, shut it off, and it's
call it a day. And I don't know where in
the in the journey, she became friends with one of
the housewives and she became like outside of the show
friends and I'm like, you're making a mistake. I don't know,
(49:49):
why are you doing this? And everything kind of changed
from then and she started taking things personal again. And
that was the whole premise behind calling it a business,
because you can't get emotional when it a business. Business
is business, and that's what it is. And it's when
you when you get hurt about this that's coming at
you on social media and the TV because like I
(50:11):
said earlier, it's all about the edit. It's it's how
they edit you, and watching the show in the beginning,
I like you, John. I was kind of studying the
guys and I'm like, yeah, you guys, you look like
a douchebag. Even though you're not doing anything. The camera
is very transparent and just watching you. So I don't
consider myself a douchebag. I'm not perfect by any means,
(50:33):
but I'm definitely not a douchebag. So whatever the camera
portrayed for me, it's been kind of positive, I should say,
where I don't have skeletons in my closet or freaking cemetery.
I'm not investigated by the FBI. I'm not going to jail.
You know, noether this is going to come out of me.
(50:55):
But if you if you're if your final like a
pin to me, is that I am boring, I'm okay
with that. Yeah, that's okay, okay with that.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
Yeah. I've had I've had comments where they're like John's
just a doormat this and that, and I'm like, hey,
you know what portray me is that if you want,
I'm supporting my wife and I'm showing you that I
support my wife, and what you see is me just saying, okay, dear,
let's do that.
Speaker 2 (51:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
Yeah, I think it's safer and I'm happy that Edwin's
the same way, like he learned pretty quick. Like I'm
just going to sit back and not saying you know,
and like you know some other husbands who like to
get involved or boyfriends, I should say.
Speaker 3 (51:39):
Yeah, no, I I agree. I think I think overall too,
I have all the husbands that I've met or boyfriends
or whatever, it's all been really cool. I don't watch
all of the franchises, so I don't know how they
are on you know, on the show or anything like that,
but I know there are some that like to get
more involved and almost want to hold a snowflake or
a peach or orange or whatever.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
That's true, that's so true. Tell us a little bit
about your your life outside of filming, because, as as
we all know on this podcast here, what you see
(52:22):
on TV is not entirely the real life that we live.
You know, it's similar. I think there's a lot of
components of it that, particularly the relationships when they're solid,
they're solid. But what's your life like outside of filming.
What do you guys like to do well?
Speaker 3 (52:38):
We we like to travel. We love we love Europe.
I haven't been to London, Lisa's been there a couple
of times. We love France. We've taken our boys to
to France two or three times now. So traveling is
a lot of fun. We we just like spending time
with our kids too. Where does that might sound? You know,
(52:59):
they might not want to spend time with us now,
you know, we we we love being around our kids,
and we know it's a short time time frame before
they're going to be out of the house and everything,
and so we liked doing that at least. And I
just we will It's kind of funny, but and you
might think it's cliche, but what you see on the
show is real. We'll like drive and get cokes together.
(53:21):
You know, we might be doing work in separate areas
of the house, or I might be in the office
or something like that, and she'll call and be like, hey,
let's go get a coke. Yeah, So we'll just you know,
go and go and drive and decompress and everything while
getting a soda. And I'm trying to think, you know,
I've been me personally. I don't know if you guys
are into F one, but I've gotten into F one
(53:43):
like crazy over the last like six months, and so
I'm like watching races now and all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
Did you see the movie?
Speaker 3 (53:51):
I have seen them. I love the movie.
Speaker 1 (53:52):
Actually that was an awesome movie. Yeah, it was long,
but it was very well done.
Speaker 3 (53:58):
I highly recommend it that in the Netflix series Survived that. Yeah,
so I our our good friend has our good friends.
Their son is in F four now start to go
and lives over in Europe and or in Italy, I
should say. And he kept telling me, he's like, you
got to watch Drive to Survive. Got to watch it.
(54:21):
And after after going to see F one, I'm like, okay,
I'm gonna try it. I binged that for over like
you know, however many, however long it took me, but yes,
so f you know, and so I like that one.
Lisa Lisa loves horseback riding, you know. So she's she's
got a horse, so she loves to go ride and
and that helps her relax. She I teas her about it,
(54:43):
but she loves to like ground herself. Like I don't
know if you guys are into this where your feet
or fair feet are on the grass, and she will
sit there and talk to the trees in our front
yard and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
That is so therapeutic, and people don't understand how therapeutic
that is. Even talking to animal most like a horse
or even a cow. If you ever around big animals
like that, I mean, and big animals like bears and
tigers and lions because they'll eat you, but you know,
docile animals. It's such an amazing feeling just to surround
(55:16):
yourself with nature. That's one of my favorite things about
riding dirt bikes is that I find myself in very
short time in the middle of nowhere with either surrounded
by trees or desert or whatever, but you're just in nature.
You're in the world, and it's so rejuvenating.
Speaker 3 (55:35):
Yeah, yeah, I liked. I used to mountain bike, which
was great, but I haven't had time, so I like
to go to the gym. That helps me, helps my
mind get back to center. But yeah, I think I
was interrupted you.
Speaker 4 (55:47):
I went sorry, I was gonna say last question before
we let you go. John, By the way, the center
of you has been amazing. Obviously, you've been on the
season for six seasons and six seasons, right, this.
Speaker 3 (55:57):
Is the current one of season six.
Speaker 4 (55:58):
Yeah, season six thought, was there ever a moment or
moments that you wanted to quit or Lisa wanted to quit?
And one of you had to talk to each other about,
you know, just keep going continuing.
Speaker 3 (56:10):
On every season? Is that I think I think you
want to quit more?
Speaker 2 (56:17):
You or Lisa?
Speaker 3 (56:18):
Yeah? You know, well, I'd have to say Lisa because
it's more about her. You know, she is like what
you were saying, Eddie. You know, the wives deal with it.
You know, we're we're background and so I can, you know,
go to a party. When we go to a party
to film, we as you guys are veterans too. You
know you're not going to enjoy yourself, you know the wives,
(56:40):
the wives know they're going to battle essentially. Yes, And
what I've learned as a husband is I go with her.
And at first I'd go do whatever I wanted, you know,
I'd be talking with someone or whatever. Then and after
a few different defense, I'm like, Okay, ship's going to
go down. I've got to be within five feet to
some to be there for Lisa. And so I think,
(57:03):
you know, I'd have to say Lisa's wanted to. She's
she never would, you know, because she she enjoys She
really does enjoy it. As crazy as you guys can
relate to, I'm sure as crazy as the casts are,
you know, and they kind of hate each other. There
are unique there's a unique bond between all of the
(57:24):
ladies because nobody else is going through it. So, you know,
I think, you know, at the end of the day,
you know, Lisa would get up and if she doesn't
let them, she'd still get up and beat the someone
else that they were, you know, picking on or something,
picking on one of the other ladies. And it's so
you know, she would never she would never out right quit.
But there are days that we're just like fuck this.
Speaker 1 (57:47):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4 (57:47):
I always say, if you're not doing something big enough,
you're not If you're not wanting to quit something, you're
not doing something big enough. If you're doing something big enough,
there's you're always going to want to quit at some point,
even though you right, it's like in business too, like
there's been so many times I'm just like playing that
half am I doing this? Yeah, yeah, you know, And
if you're not wanting to quit, you're not doing anything big.
Speaker 3 (58:09):
Yeah, well, I appreciate you saying that. Is there have
been days on multiple things where I'm just like, I'm done,
let me go live on a bench. I don't care.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
Yeah, awesome.
Speaker 2 (58:23):
We had with you.
Speaker 3 (58:25):
Likewise, I flew by the way that Yeah like that.
Hopefully I didn't talk too much or anything like that.
And I hope Teddy's doing well. Also, Yeah, she's doing well.
I had pieces cut out of my forehead everything, not
not to the level that she's had to deal with.
So yeah, I'm glad to hear that she's doing better.
Speaker 2 (58:45):
Oh wow, I didn't. So you've also dealt with some
melanoma before.
Speaker 3 (58:48):
Yeah, like I said, it was blind, but yeah I had.
I was walking around the gym with this big patch
on my forehead after they dug a hole. Yeah, it's
hard to explain to people.
Speaker 1 (58:59):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for coming up and
spending the time with us. We really appreciate getting to
know you. I know our listeners are going to be
very excited to get to know you. And uh, we'll
see you next time.
Speaker 3 (59:11):
Yeah. Again, thank you very much for having me too soon.
Speaker 1 (59:14):
Thank you, John, you guys, good bye bye.
Welcome to the Ed's podcast. My name is Eddie Judge
and I got my.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Co host here Edwin are Jave and today we.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Have a special guest, John Barlow. If you don't know John,
John is the husband of the Real Housewives of Salt
Lake City Lisa Barlow. They've been married since two thousand
and three and have two kids, two boys, Jack and Henry.
Lisa and John have been on the Housewives for the
entirety of its existence. I think it's been six years.
(00:29):
John is an entrepreneur with multiple businesses, including his and
his wife's tequila brand, Vita Tequila. I think we're going
to get to talk about a little bit more about that.
So John Barlow, welcome to the EDS.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Oh thanks for having me, guys. It's an honor, which.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
By the way, I've had that tequila and I just
want to endorse it, very very good tequila. John was
nice enough to send me a bottle and enjoyed every
drink of that, So thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Oh No, I'm glad that you told me that arrived,
because I was racking my brain since we had the schedule.
I like, I hope I did send him that bottle.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah, no, it was. It was really good, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
I was supposed to confirm that we got it too.
I think we did, but my wife didn't know if
we had it at the big beer house or here.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
But and it's it's a nice looking bottle too. It's
it's a sexy bottle.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
I can when we get into this, I'll give you
backstory to the bottle and everything. There's actually a story
to pretty much all of it.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Well it doesn't have a story, then nobody wants to
know about it.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Right, Yeah, yeah, true, it's all branding nowadays.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
It is.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
It is so John, you've been on the Housewives for
six years. Let's go a little bit backwards before the
Housewife and learn a little bit about you. Tell us
where'd you grow up in how'd you end up where
you're at today?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
So I have a little bit different of a story,
I guess than some people. Not everybody, but some people.
I was adopted as a baby and was give up
as a baby, adopted, but then returned and then adopted
by my parents, and so that's how my life started.
And whenever Lisa and I have any type of discussions,
(02:10):
you know, maybe arguments, whatever, She's always like, I'm gonna
give you up for the third time.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
That's low, man, that is low.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
But yeah, no, my so, my parents adopted me when
I was a baby. I was in foster care for
about I think like three or four months. Oh wow
again as a baby. Yeah, so I have a I
have an affinity for adoption, for foster care, that sort
of thing. But we grew up all over. My dad
was an executive at IBM. So let's see, we lived
(02:43):
in four different places in northern California before I was ten,
and in between there, we actually moved to Peoria, Illinois
for about nine months, and then back to California, and
then from California moved to southern Florida Folk Rotone. And
then the middle of my sophomore year in high school,
we moved to the Dallas Fort Worth area in Texas.
(03:03):
And and I guess, I guess. I don't know if
post Malone claims anything that, but I graduated from the
high school that post Malone graduated from. Great nine. That's cool,
and so and I lived in Colleyville and then But yeah,
so I grew up all over. I'm a beach bumb
at heart, even though living in a landlocked state.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Is that your your your go to sport or hobby,
surfing or beach.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Just so volleyball go to Yeah, I was never. I
never lived in California long enough to learn how to surf.
And then Florida, you know on the east side there's
no waves unless you're hurricane season. Yeah no, and uh.
I actually started playing volleyball in high school and played
(03:50):
semi pro two man volleyball. So a huge, huge fan
of the beach sand.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
How tall are you?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I'm six four?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Oh, there you go.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
But if I've got the right shoes on six or five?
Speaker 2 (04:05):
So did you grow up Mormon?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
I did, Yes, Yes, grew up LDS. I actually served
the mission in Las Vegas, of all places. Wow, it
was it was That was very eye opening to me
because growing up a lot of guys that are in
the Church that want to go on missions there everybody
talks about the foreign speaking missions or the foreign missions.
And I took Spanish from middle school through high school French.
(04:30):
My first three semesters at by U. My best friend
was going to South Africa, another friends going to Iceland,
another one going to Russia. I opened my vishould call
Las Vegas, like do I really want to go.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
So what was the mission in Vegas?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
So it's it's so the LDS missions are the same
no matter where you go. You're you know, going out
telling people about the LDS Church, really serving the communities
that you're living in, you know, helping people wherever you can.
And so at the time, you know, we're going back
thirty years, it was the entire state of Nevada, plus
(05:09):
a little piece of Arizona and California, and now there's
I think four or five missions just in the state
of Nevada.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
You were you trying to convert people on the strip.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
That was a place we were not allowed to go.
And so no, but there there were a lot of
urban missionary stories of guys, you know, we would go
what's called tracting, knocking on doors and there was there
were a lot of urban stories of missionaries knocking on
doors and strippers opening the door with robes completely opened
(05:41):
like they had just gotten back from work or something.
It never happened to me, so I can't say if
it was Yeah, exactly, I can't say if it's true
or not.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
But so do you go on your mission and then
go to BYU? Is that how that works?
Speaker 4 (06:03):
So you first take two years, so you go from
high school to then do your mission for two years
and then go to college after.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
That you could have so nowadays they have missionaries go
typically when they're eighteen. So essentially, yeah, right out of
high school. Like our son Jack, he just got back
from serving to mission in Bogueta, Columbia, and he went
right out of high school. But from back when I went,
the guys were nineteen when they would go ok, and
(06:29):
I was a young kid. So I was seventeen when
I graduated high school, and I was able to get
squeezed three semesters in at BYU before going on my mission.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
So I forgot to ask John, do you have any siblings?
Speaker 3 (06:43):
I have, yes, so's there's four of us, four kids
in my family. The oldest three, my older sister, myself,
and my brother are all adopted, and then my younger
sister is biologically my parents. And it's almost like two
sets because my older sister's two years older than me.
Then there's seven years between me and my brother, and
(07:04):
then my sister is the youngest.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
So your older sister came first and then you came,
and then they decided to give you up and then
take you back.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Oh no, no, they probably did want to give me
up quite a few times as I was. I wouldn't
doubt that. No, no, it was it was just when
I was a baby, so I was, you know, my
birth mother had to give me up. So then I
was adopted by a family. But I had some medical
conditions that they didn't feel that they could handle, so
(07:34):
they returned me. And so I was in foster Carolina.
I said, only for a short period. But my and
that's when my parents they actually adopted me through LDS
Church Services. Okay, so they adopted me when I was
a baby.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
So you you weren't taken back by the original parents,
you were adopted by a new set of parents. Yeah,
good for you. Wow, okay, excellent.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
It sounds like you landed with a great family too.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah I did.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
I love them. I mean it's great, you know, just
like every family has weird dynamics. I'm very fortunate with
with who I who, who my parents are.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Did you ever meet your biological parents?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
There's a story behind that. So I growing up, my
parents were always very open and in a positive way
about us being adopted. And you know, it's essentially saying
you were really wanted type. Yeah. And so from the
time I was I could remember, I knew I was adopted,
and I never had that burning desire to find out
(08:35):
who my biological parents were for anything. I actually I
knew I was born in Pasadena, California, so I just
assumed my parents were from California. Your birth parents were
from California, and my going I'm born my birthday is
actually next week, so it's in November. So if you
go back nine months, I figured I was a Valentine's baby.
I thought two kids were just hooking up on Valentine's
(08:56):
and I was a byproduct.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Do you know anything about them?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Oh? So Lisa was very interested. Of course, Yes, I
had never like I said, I never had a desire really,
and my parents weren't parents. And so six or seven
years actually, no, seven or eight years ago. Now with
ancestry dot Com, you know, it's like, hey, this fitness
(09:20):
tube and I'm like, I know what you're doing. And
I was interested in more heritage type stuff because I
don't don't know. And as soon as the results came back,
Lisa was on Ancestry just checking away. First cousin that
means something. She's on Facebook, Oh my gosh, reaching out.
And she reached out to this one guy and she's like, hey,
(09:41):
I think my husband is your half brother.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
What kind of announcement is that? And so he's like,
I think you're mistaken that. I don't think that's right.
And so, you know, long story short, he was he
ended up being my half brother.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
And he uh went to his mom and asked and
at first she denied it, and then a couple of
weeks later, because they're very LDS and so a couple
of weeks later she admitted to him, yes, you know
I did. But and she actually wanted to marry the guy.
She was only she was nineteen, so it wasn't like,
you know, really young. Yeah, but when the guy found
(10:20):
out that she was pregnant, he's like, I'm out of here.
And so her parents just you know, had her. They
were in Arizona, moved had her, moved to California to
have me and then go back and so so yeah,
so she and I actually messaged quite a bit. She's great.
My birth mother's like she sends packages for the kids.
And it was tough at first. Yeah, for a few
(10:42):
different reasons, but it was. But it's overall, it's been
a cool experience.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
That sounds very cool, like a great, you know, fairy
tale almost story, and it's just going to continue to grow,
which is amazing.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
So California, guy, beach guy, you obviously end up in Utah,
you go BYU. Why did you decide to ultimately stay
in Utah and why not come to Cali?
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Uh? Well, so California was on the radar. My buddy
and I actually did a trip down to San Diego
area when after we had graduated, and uh man, the
cost of living down there was just so crazy. Yea,
So we're like, I think we're gonna stick in Utah
for now. And uh you know, I actually when I
(11:29):
first graduated from BYU, I moved to Chicago and worked
for a company just outside of Chicago and ended up
being a horrible job, just a crappy situation all the
way around. And by that time, my parents had moved
here to Utah, and so I had friends here, family here,
so I'm like, I'm just going to move back. Came
back here and ended up starting with a startup company
(11:53):
and fell in love with with what I was doing
and in the process, met Lisa, everything like that, and
you know, for the first you know, after for the
first like five or six years after being back from
my mission, I hated Utah, But you know, I've really
gone to love it. I think it's an amazing place.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I think it's beautiful too. There's some great places. Yeah,
so let's get into a little bit more about how
you met Lisa and that you mentioned, and we're really curious.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
So I think we've touched on it on the show,
but it's it's in another funny story. So her, her
older sister, Gina, was a missionary in my mission. So
you've got you've got elders, which are the guy missionaries,
and sisters, which are the female missionaries. And so we
were friends in the mission. When we both she got
back like six months before me and was at b
(12:45):
y U. I came home. We connected and we we
never like got serious or anything, but we went out
a few times over the course of a few months
or something like that. She was her sister, of her
older sister. Yeah, no, her older sister. She was interested
in getting more serious. But you know, I was a
(13:05):
twenty one year old, dumb, immature kid, and I'm like
there's no way I want to be serious with anybody. Yeah,
so we kind of went our own ways. But while
we were hanging out. I initially met Lesta when she
came over to the condo where I was living to
watch a movie with me with her sister and with
our with my roommate. And she, you know, she'll tell
(13:28):
you the same thing. She brought over ice cream. She
hated the guy that I was living with, and she's like,
I'm taking my ice cream and leaving. I vaguely remember that,
but then fast forward quite a few years and ran
into her other sister. She's got four sisters.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Okay, so I ran into her other sister who I'd
gotten to know whall kind of hanging out with Gina,
and her name is Denise. And Denise was like, hey,
we got to hang out. Okay, yeah, that sounds cool.
So JT, my friend that I was living with at
the time, we go over. We're like, hey, we're gonna
go with a baseball game with them. And that's when
Denise at the last minute told Lisa, oh, John Barlow's
(14:09):
coming over to take us to a baseball game, and
Lisa hated it because she felt like I did her
sister dirty. Yeah, and so just we actually all just
hung out as friends for a while. And then at
about like two or three months later at Lisa and
I started really hanging out and dating and dated for
two years and then got married.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Well, tell us about the spark when when you guys
decided to like date, How did that happen?
Speaker 3 (14:31):
It was she was just she was just such a cool,
cool girl from the get go. You know, I mean,
you guys, what do you guys see on the show
As far as Lisa, that's really her. You know. She's fiery, opinionated, brilliant,
you know, and obviously beautiful, and you know, we were
It was kind of I don't know if there was
one specific moment, but we would go and we would
(14:54):
go get sodas or something or go to lunch, you know,
every other week because where I worked, where she worked
at the time where like a mile apart, and so
we just meet up and it was just all friends,
that sort of thing. And then one weekend, uh, everybody
headed out of town except release and I I was like, hey,
let's let's go see a movie, just thinking as friends. Yeah,
(15:14):
we got out of the car and we just started
holding hands and it was like, Okay, I guess something's happening.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Wow, So I got to ask, So you dated for
two years?
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (15:24):
So both of you guys beat lds. Did you wait
two years to be intimate?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
We did? All done? We did? I so and it
shows that hard did it? Are you talking? Are you
talking like anatomically or.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I just discipline in that?
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Yeah? Yeah, no, you're looking back were we both are like?
Why did one? Why did we wait for having to
have sex? And then also why did we wait to
get married? But I a little bit more into me.
I was married when I was twenty three, divorced at
twenty four, and when I got back from my mission,
I had made I came back, you know, a whole
(16:09):
different mindset on life and everything and how I wanted
to approach things. And one of them was I was
very I'm very serious with goals, and one of my
goals when I got back was I would not marry
someone until I'd been home for two years at least.
And I met the girl that I married within the
first year, and then it was a year and a
half when I got after i'd been home, we got married.
(16:31):
So when we got divorced. I told myself, I'm not.
It was partly because I didn't stick to my goals. Yeah,
and I was like, I'm not going to marry someone
unless I date it for two years. And it drove
Lisa nuts because after a year She's like, I'm ready
to get married and like we can't. I'm like, I cannot,
you know, break my goal. And so but looking back, I, yeah,
(16:53):
I wish we had gotten married Fastard. So we had fun.
I mean it was great, and yeah it was it
was not definitely definitely hard in many ways.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Wow, can't imagine.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Now, talk to us a little bit about obviously you
you mentioned you went to go work for a startup.
When did you go from uh working for someone to
becoming an entrepreneur?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
It was so the I'm trying to think the best
way to answer that. The the startup is what kind
of got me. Really, the juice was Floan for wanting
to be an entrepreneur. You know, I was their first
salesperson that they brought on and essentially took them you know,
five hundred million or five hundred thousand, about twelve million
in three years, and and they later sold and still
(17:43):
you know it was probably like was it. Lisa and
I were married for about three or four years when
really the opportunity with Vita came along, and it is
something that we both talked about. She's very entrepreneurial minded.
I'm so so like I had to be. Like I said,
my dad worked for I be On for thirty five years,
so that was kind of what I was used to.
(18:03):
But after doing a lot of reading and everything as
I was growing up or growing with work and everything
like that, you know, we decided, yeah, we want to
jump in and do our own thing.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
So is Vita your first business? You've had other businesses
besides Veto right.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
We have, Yeah, we've had real estate businesses. We've had Vita.
We've got hart Seltzer called Blue Jay. Lisa has her
event marketing company, her experiential marketing company called Lucks. And
we also started a business with our boys called Fresh Wolf.
It's men's grooming products. And I don't know, we need
(18:40):
to get you guys some I've probably failed to send
you some out broad but it's you know, it's people
think that it's for boys because we've got our sons involved,
but it's men's grooming products.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
But how old are your boys?
Speaker 3 (18:53):
So Jack's twenty one, he just turned twenty one last month,
and then Henry is thirteen, turning fourteen in December.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Oh wow, big age difference.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Okay, yeah, well, Vita's our middle child.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Oh so is Jack kind of taking the rings and
like running the business or is he just kind of learning?
Speaker 3 (19:14):
I'd say still learning. So he's he now is going
to the University of Utah. Oh and so it's his
first semester going to the college. He's he's loving it.
He's the degree he chows its finance and so you know,
he's I told him. I was like, you can never
go wrong with the finance degree, whether you're doing your
own thing or you want to work. Agree.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
And I just told my daughter that, my seventeen year old.
I just told her that.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
It's I wish my parents had told me that, but
it was. But no, but he's he actually, Oh, we
have our lounge too. Next whenever you guys come up here,
next you got to go to Park City. We've got
our Vita Tequila lounge. And Jack's probably going to start
doing some shifts up there, just so he gets no
bar attending and all that stuff. Now that he's twenty one,
(20:00):
but we he I'm going to start. I've had him
go on trips with me to visit accounts, you know,
before his mission and everything. We like I said, we
created fresh Wolf partly so that they could become assimilated
to business. Yeah, and so Jack is he's actually really
what's the word, participates a lot with the fresh Wolf stuff.
(20:21):
Like he's handling the Shopify, he's working with manufacturer, he's
doing social media posts all of that time.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Did you get any did you get any backlash from
the LDS community from you know, with the tequila tequila
and a tequila company, right, that's that's a great.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Great question. That's yeah, No, yes, we did. We did
at first. So it's kind of funny because you know,
we're going back over fifteen years and a lot has
changed between then as far as just the way people
perceive things. And when we first started, we did we
had some people in our you know, they call him
wards but where our congregation where they'd be like you
(21:01):
do what they'd like kind of walk away and essentially
talking under their breath that they think were horrible people.
And so we did get a little bit of that.
The funny part is some of those same people a
couple of weeks later come knocking on our door and
they'd be like, Oh, I've got a friend coming in
town that loves tequila. Do you guys happen to have
a bottle. We're like, okay, We're like, it's for your
(21:23):
friend or you know or client or maybe you know.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Friend.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Yeah, exactly, And so now you know, there's where we live.
It's nice. There's a lot of business owners and entrepreneurs
and so, you know, people get it, and it's it's
kind of funny because yeah, nobody even cares.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, no, that's that.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
And then I assume you had to taste of tequilla yourself.
You I assume you're drinker.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
So I drinker might be a little bit strong. So
I had never tasted enough. Yeah, I had never tasted
tequila before we got in to it. And so it's
you know, I wish I had like a sexy story
where you know, we went down and we spent months,
you know, canvassing Mexico for that one distillery or something
(22:12):
like that.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Why did the idea come up then? Is it Lisa's
idea or was it mutual or.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
So I was doing some importing, exporting from Mexico already
with some hot sauces and getting into wines, and we
were introduced to our distillery down there, and it was
just it was something that, you know, talk talking to Lisa,
we both agreed, We're like, I think this is we
could do something with this. Yeah, And you know, Lisa
grew up not LDS for a larger portion of her life,
(22:41):
and her extended family is not, so she was a
lot more you know.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
So she knew tequila.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Yeah, she knew tequila. She knew the spirits industry as
a whole, and and so she's like, let's go, let's
go for it. And she's the one that named it.
We're trying to come up with a name. And she
literally sat up at three in the morning one night
She's like, it's got to be Vita, because Vita means
light nobody can take life. Yeah, like okay, I was
like great, you know she and she's the one, like
(23:10):
I said, when we started, the bottle actually looked like
the Tron and Don Julio had a baby, and so
we went through a rebrand and Lisa is the one
that designed the bottle that we have now and she
wanted it shaped almost like a woman's body with the
shoulders and then slope is the neck, and you're very
specific on how That's why.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
I love that bottle so much. I like the bump.
Now I'm like, yeah, I don't know what it is
about bump. So so I like cars as well. So
I've always liked Porsches. I like a little bump on
the you know, so the bottle you go to Porsche.
I love the ninety eleven, nine eleven turbos might go
to although I love an RS, so the new RS
(23:49):
I love.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
You know, but yeah, you can't go wrong with Yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Can't go wrong with those. But yeah, well you guys
did a great job on that tequila.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
So yeah, we're very well. I'm very proud of it.
Thank you. You know, it's award winning, it's in tons
of markets we're working with internationally. Yeah, and you know,
it's it's been. It's been a lot of fun. But
you guys are entrepreneurs, you know how it is. It's
it's a roller coaster. It is. There's days where you're
just like, why the hell am I doing this? Yeah,
(24:19):
I think you know, there's been days where I'm like
I think flipping burgers might actually be better for my
mind than anything else. And there's nothing wrong with anybody
that's flipping burgers. Yeah, but you know it's it is
but there it is fun. You know, the fun parts
outweigh you know the bad.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Part absolutely so.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
John. Speaking of you know, entrepreneurship, you know that people
often talk about, especially now, diversifying and having different businesses,
and I've always been a big believer of yeah, that's fine,
but you always have to have one that is your
bread and butter, like the one that's just consistent over
that you can always count on, that's just the cash
flow one that comes in that then allows you to
(25:00):
best in all these other businesses. What business would that
be for you? Which one is there? Sort of bread
and butter your go to?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Definitely Vita. You know, Vita has been around the longest.
We we understand the spirits industry from kind of to
your point, from Vita, our heart Seltzer actually spawned off
from that because the heart Seltzer we call it's blue
Jay again from something with Lisa story behind that. Yeah,
but uh so blue Jay is there's no tequila in it,
(25:30):
but it's a gave a gave flavored or gave centered
and what they what are the producer did is they
actually extracted the flavors of our blanco and put it
into the margarita and the paloma flavor, and then extracted
the flavors of our repsodon't put it in the next
mule flavor and and so yeah, definitely Vita And like
(25:51):
I said, blue Jay spawned off that. Yeah, you know,
and fresh Wolf is still rather new, but it's something
that you know, we were able to do because of
all the other stuff that we're doing.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
So I know you don't drink, but if you, if
you did, or the few times you do, are you
a blanco guy reposado or a Yeho guy?
Speaker 3 (26:09):
So? But you know, I I do enjoy a good drink,
though I will say, you know, if I'm not drinking
ur tequila, I love Irish whiskey and so and a
good bourbon is you know you can that can never
go wrong as far as our tequila. It sounds cliche.
I feel like I'm choosing children favorites because I think
(26:29):
they're all great. Then Yeho though, for me, is really
the one that to sit down and just sip and enjoy.
You know there it's it's two years, age two years
and French oak barrels and it's it's just amazing. And
like I said, all three are great for sipping. But Dineo,
I think it's just you know, top of top of
the line.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
So let's get in to you and Lisa and about
the show. How were you or what was your reaction
when you first got introduced to it, like potentially being
on the show or do you even know when you
got invited that it was going to be a housewife show?
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Yeah, so the interesting backstory, and there's been some disagreement
on this, but Lisa is the one that brought the
show here. Oh and so we definitely knew what was
going on. She had actually filmed a couple of pilots
or we had actually filmed a couple of pilots even
prior to this one. Oh and so Michael Aene is
the producer that actually presented the show to Bravo and
(27:40):
her company. And what happened is different people have been
trying to connect Lisa to Michael Leene for a couple
of years and just they never could And then finally,
you know, being here in Utah and with Tequila we're
friends with a lot of the restaurant owners and one
of them, specifically her I think it's her husband's her
husband's friend was a producer with Michael Lean and was saying, Hey,
(28:03):
we want to do a women on an entrepreneur type
type show. Do you know who we should talk to?
And immediately they're like, you got to talk to Lisa Barlowe.
And so Lisa met with Michael Lean and started talking
about it. And you know, we we're really good friends
with the Marx, Mereth and Seth. You know, we go
back over ten years with them.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
So you Lisa recommended Meredith, she recommended Heather, who Heather
recommended Whitney and I think we're Jen or something like that,
and so, you know, it was it was a it
was a really interesting process just from you know, started
to finish because the we filmed, they had the husband's
(28:41):
film with the wives a few times, but it's mainly
just the wives at the different parties for the civil
and uh, you know, they what was it? They put it,
packaged it together. And my understanding is there were about
two hundred or so submissions that month Bravo, and this
one was the only one that they picked, and they
liked it so much that they wanted it to have
the housewives, you know, Juggernaut behind it, so they Housewives
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of Salt Lake City.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Wow were you? Were you nervous going in?
Speaker 3 (29:12):
I didn't know what I didn't know what to think really,
So I think you'd probably get this from a lot
of the husbands. I never watched any housewife show before, okay,
and so I knew nothing about it other than arguing.
You know, obviously the table flipping's famous and everything like that.
You know, I would be out in the front room
watching Sports Center till midnight, come in the bedroom to
(29:34):
go to bed, and least it would have probably O
C or Beverly Hills on and and I'd be like, okay,
I'm not going to deal with this, and I just
go and sleep on the couch.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I remember those days.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Yeah, So did you look at it more as I
would assume? Correct me if I'm wrong, you're sitting back,
because I kind of the way. That's the way I
looked at it as well. If I go on the show.
It's great for marketing, it's great for business. You know,
you obviously have a vita. Your tequila company was around already. Yeah,
did that in your in your mind? Did that play
(30:07):
a part of it? Well, if I go on the show,
we can market our tequila.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Yeah, no, of course. You know, it's really two things.
One obviously is same with you guys. Wanted to support Lisa,
you know, with whatever she wanted to do. And secondly,
supporting Lisa with it wasn't hard because really the reason
why we really wanted to do it was just for Beta,
you know, for the marketing. And you know, I think
(30:32):
the way that Lisa says that, and I agree, people
that come on and you know, unless you have something
that you're really trying to promote, you're just coming on
to yell and screen. Yeah, and and so you know,
we thought, okay, this will be great exposure for the brand,
which it has been. I mean, we've got people in
Scotland messaging us, Hey, we want beta, you know type. Yeah,
and so it was yes, but so but I came
(30:54):
in totally blind, like not knowing what to expect.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
So this season some of them members are attacking the business.
How do you at least to handle that?
Speaker 3 (31:06):
We just take it for what it is, you know,
we're they're they're giving us more attention, you know, it's
it's in my opinion, it's sad because especially nowadays, you know,
women up should be uplifting women or not. I don't
know if I should should say should be uplifting women,
but that's you know, the kind of the line of thinking.
And when you see women on any of the franchises
(31:27):
tearing down their businesses, their families or anything, it's really like,
it's kind of sad to see because you could still
have the drama and everything without trying to ruin someone's life.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Yeah, has it affected the business set all the fact
that they're or is it bad press?
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Is good press? Sometimes?
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Well, let's let's unpack that a little bit, like what
was what was it that they did to try to
affect your business in a negative way?
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Uh? Oh, they're just bringing up stuff from the past.
You know, we've we've had just like any businesses, we've
had lawsuits in the past, okay, and move past it.
But they're trying to make it more salacious than it was.
Oh okay, and so you know it's just like yeah,
and Lisa in one of the episodes, she's like, okay, guys,
you talked about me when I wasn't here. This is
(32:12):
what you were talking about. It's all taken care of.
Let's move on that way.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
I've never seen a big company that hasn't gotten sued.
Everybody gets.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Yeah, big company, small companies.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
It's part of the game. If you're going, you're gonna
get sued.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
You got you gotta have a budget for that. That's
super important. It's going to happen. It's gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
To quote Lisa, nobody goes for the bottom, right, So
it's yeah, it does. And it's just but yeah, I
mean we've Lisa and I just kind of sit back
and we're like, okay, whatever next.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yeah, yeah, I mean ticket as it comes. Were you
friends with some or all the husbands before you started filming?
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Just Seth. So we Yeah, Lisa was introduced to Meredith
probably twelve or thirteen years ago. Okay, and so met Seth,
Like we go out to dinner. There's oldest son, Reed
who you sometimes see on the show, actually taught Jack
basketball for a couple of years, and and and Lisa
did Chloe's bought mitzvah and so you know, so we
(33:13):
go back with them. The other guys I met during
you know, during the process and everything.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
So I have a two part question and the first
part is the most important, and that is how has
the show affected your your marriage good and bad? And
has a show affected your long term relationship with your
friends that you came on the show with? Has it
changed it at all?
Speaker 3 (33:37):
M So with as far as like Lisa and I,
we're pretty much the same as you know, as we
were before the show. You know, we were both even
though it doesn't come across on the show both we're
both alpha. You know, we both want to be in charge,
even though you know with the show it's the housewives,
so you know, support our wives, and so you know
(34:01):
we're We would butt heads before the show was ever around.
We butt heads now. You know. We loved each other before,
we love each other now. It's I will say, it's
been interesting with the show because you guys can relate
to this one hundred percent too. It's a unique way
of documenting your life right with your kids, yeah, you
(34:21):
and your relationship. So not everybody can go on demand
from five years ago and say, oh my gosh, my
son was you know, eight years old and now he's
fourteen and see how it goes, or watch you know,
Lisa and I interact and so it's i'd say it's
I don't know if I could. I don't know if
i'd say it's like strengthen it, but definitely hasn't weakened.
(34:43):
You know, we're, like I said, we're kind of still
We've we've been married over twenty years now and so
it's been through a lot. Well.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
I always say that if you're a couple that goes
into a reality TV front platform and you have any
cracks in your relationship, it's going to show. You know,
it's just a matter of time that those cracks get
bigger for because of the pressure of the TV and
the social media and everything that's coming at you. You know,
it's not a normal life. But if there's cracks in
(35:11):
there and you and you know, I mean, it's like
the typical statistics, more divorced housewives than not. You know,
I think we were just talking about this, said when
last time we had our guests and Beverly Hills, they're
all divorced, right.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
That's true, that's I think what was that Kyle Marie
last one or maybe his greet and PK were the
last one standing.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
But yeah, yeah, divorce or in jail.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
It's the separation. Yeah, and relate to that with our cast. Yeah. No,
and you know, friend wise, Seth and I are really good.
We went through you know, there was the hot mic
moment that Lisa's famous for. I think it was the
second season and where she kind of lost her ship
(35:57):
and they usut outside. Well, it was just a lot
of pressure, you know, you're talking about pressure just building up. Yeah,
and she felt that that Meredith wasn't kind of supporting
her the way that she was hoping because they came
on such good friends and everything. Yeah. And so Lisa,
because she didn't want to explode in front of the
(36:19):
group because they were on a trip, walked away from
the table, took off her mic, and went into her
room and just started yelling, you know, like at her pillow.
You know, like everybody does it, you know, like you
want to just put your face in the pillow and scream,
or you just went into a room and out out
let loose. It's just so happens that there's a production
team around you and they had a mic. They say,
(36:41):
they had a mic right outside the room. Yeah. And
so for the next year or so, things were a
little tense with Seth and I, but you know, we
it was kind of I don't know if you guys
did this, And it wasn't anything real formal but the
husbands when we started, you know, justin shreifuh, not really
Mary's husband, but me and Seth, you know, we kind
(37:03):
of had this understanding that we would never talk bad
about the wives or anything like that, Okay, and because
I never never fares well, yeah, and plus we don't
want to talk bad about them anyway. And so even
during that time, you know, Seth never really say anything
bad about Lisa, but it wasn't like we could really
you know, hang out. But everything's now water under the
(37:23):
bridge and you know, Lisa and Mereth are great, and
so you know, Seth and I will when he gets
in town, we'll go to dinner and stuff. I'm looking
forward to seeing him next week.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Also, tell me about your desire or lack of desire
to be part of the show. Did you ever feel like,
I mean, for me, for example, when the cameras are around,
I feel like I got to I gotta perform. I
gotta do some sort of dog and pony show because
there's a camera, you know, pointed at me, and I've
said some stupid things, which you know, thank god they
(37:52):
didn't make him on the air. But I just felt
this pressure. Did you ever feel this pressure like I
got to do something because of are up? Or were
you just.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Yeah, more on the more on the you know, trying
and trying to maintain who I am, And it wasn't
so much pressure to do something, more pressure to not
do something, you know, like like not do the stupid things.
You know, I will say that before we started really filming,
I watched a couple of different franchises to see what
the husband's were like, kind of like, Okay, don't do that,
(38:25):
don't do that, don't do that. And so you know,
I try to I try to be me whether the
cameras are rolling or not, which I still have said
stupid things, and you know, it might not be about
anybody who might just be a conversation with Lisa and
I where a week later she's like, you're such a
dumb ass. Why would you say this or whatever, and
(38:46):
I'm like, sorry, it wasn't you know, I'm not as
well trained.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Yeah, when you watched Eddie's Eddie's bathtub scene, did you
say I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
I actually watched it like ten or twenty times. That's
the benefit of you know, man, what nothing to do
on your first day of filming. Hey, I was taking notes.
You could say, how for whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
I always like to say I'm a slow learner because
I do try to take in all variables before I
make a final judgment or decision. But I was a
slow learner until I figured it out. And I'm like, Okay,
I can't control this and I don't want to be
the six housewives, so I'm going to stay away. When
the ship hits the fan, I'm going to be standing
behind the cameras so they don't get my reaction. They
(39:33):
don't get me involved, and you know, it's just better
not to be involved. I did see a clip that
you guys attended the reunion with your wives. How was
that experience.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
So they've had a set all but one or no, yeah,
all but one reunion okay, maybe two. Overall have been good.
Last year's was interesting because there was some lies perpetuated
during the reunion from one of the husbands, and so I,
you know, I did step in and I was like,
(40:08):
you know, watch how you're talking to my wife essentially, yeah,
and you know, essentially I was what I exactly said
was watch your tone. Yeah, and because again, like I said,
we shouldn't beat addressing anybody's wife in any derogatory way.
And you know so, but that was about it. It was,
you know, but the three's are they're interesting. I think
(40:32):
the best one that we had was when we weren't
didn't go on stage. It was Seth Justin and I
just like kicking back the whole day. I think we're
on Instagram live for like three hours.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
That's cool, but I didn't realize. So you guys are
are on stage with the girls.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Yeah they Yeah, they've had us on stage for at
least I think it was yeah, three three of the
seasons or yeah, so far.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
So do you get to charge for that since you're
on stage now, well.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
You're giving a free yeah. Yeah. No, it's as you
guys know, husbands may not even minimum wage, so it's
were there to support.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
It's free labor. And I'm not good with that. I
mean unless it's charitable, and this is hardly charitable.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Eddie. Have you ever done the finale?
Speaker 1 (41:24):
I was just thinking that and when I want to
say no, because I just never wanted to be in
that situation. And because I'd love to see that, I'd
have to ask my wife because she has a better
memory than I have, But I'd have to ask her.
But when you know, when it came down to it,
you know, when you're not paying me to do anything,
(41:46):
I'm not going to do it. Right, this is bullshit.
And they did offer me. I do remember them offering
me a measately five thousand dollars or something stupid like
that to go, and I'm like no, and I said,
my number is fifty million dollars. And it's been fifteen
million dollars ever since.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
And I John, I got.
Speaker 4 (42:04):
I got to give you a lot of props because
that's one thing I probably wouldn't do.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Those girls are scary.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
Yeah, it's like it is to get in the mix with,
because I mean it's it's open game at that point
once you get once you sit on that couch.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
Oh yeah, well they they're pretty spray with the husbands.
They're pretty good with the husbands where it's not and
if if there's any shots fired at the husband's it's
usually because the husbands insert themselves. That makes sense. Yeah,
I make sure that I do not speak unless spoken
to and smart, and that's and that's by Andy. You know,
(42:37):
if Andy asked me a question, happy to answer if
anybody else does, It's like, I don't know if I'm
going to answer, yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
So well, I gotta I gotta give you guys props too,
because my wife obviously watches a lot of the shows
to report on the two teas in the PUD podcast,
and I mean, I don't know how she handles it,
because I would be killing myself watching all these different franchises.
But she has said that the Salt Lake City house
Wise really know how to do their job, meaning they
(43:08):
know how to how to perform, They know how to
get in a fight and then make up. Because I
guess that's really the premise of the show, right it's fight, makeup,
fight makeup, and and I think the audience loves to
see that. But what's been happening, which started in Jersey
and it's kind of made its way into Orange County,
is all these lies, these these fake stories that have
(43:32):
no merit to them.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
You know.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
It's like you have all these lies that potentially can
you know, hurt that person or that person's business. I mean,
let's go back to probably five or six years ago,
maybe seven years ago, there was this whole scene that
was perpetrated on the show, our show where they were
at Vicky's house and they were all collaborating. You know,
(43:55):
they can't get to Tama anymore, so they come after
me and they the acting was terrible, but they put
out there that, oh, I saw Eddie coming out of
a room with some guy, and oh, yeah, that's what
makes Eddie gay, right, and all these were false stories. Yeah,
that's just wrong.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
You know.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
I'm all about calling people out on their bullshit. Like
my wife, she's really good at finding the bullshit and
everybody and she'll call you out. But she will never
make up false stories just to be relevant on the show.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
And I don't know if that's happening on the Salt
Lake City, but I don't think that's right.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
Yeah, I I totally agree with you. I don't like that.
I don't like the gang ups that happens. And you know,
please tell Tama. You know, I appreciate her helping Lisa
walk off the ledge the last couple of weeks, because
you know, Lisa has been getting ganged up on a
bit and Tamra and her and Lisa we're messaging and
Term's like, I totally get it. You're fine, you know,
(44:55):
don't sweat it. And you know, even though Lisa, just
like you're both of your wives, they're very strong women,
they still it's still nice to have some you know,
someone saying you've got this, you know, outside of us. Yeah,
and so it's you know, make sure to tell her
I appreciate it. You know. I can tell Lisa she's fine,
and Lisa will be like, you're full of shit. But
(45:15):
if camera said that, then she's like, Okay, that's gospel.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Well here's the question for both of you.
Speaker 4 (45:20):
So, since I guess both both of your wives are
sort of having the same type of season as far
as getting attacked, what's the number one thing you guys
try to do for them when they're having a season
that that's like that.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
Oh. Well, for me, which is I have not been
doing a good job of this year is listen and
not try and fix anything, because I will. In the past,
I've been a lot better at just listening and letting
Lisa get through everything, and but this year I've been like, no,
I think you should try and say this or this,
and she's like, it doesn't work. It doesn't work. She's like,
(45:56):
and you know, if you were talking with one of
your friends or someone at a job or something like that,
then it would work, but it doesn't work in this situation.
So every time, I'm like, just listen, let her talk,
and you know, don't try and fix anything.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
And that's exactly the way to handle it, because for
the many years that we've been doing it, it's it's
been in the beginning, like you should have said this,
or you should try this, and I get the same answer, no,
it doesn't work that way on reality TV. And sometimes
I say, well, then why you're asking me.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
Wrong?
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Mistake, don't say that.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
No, don't say that. No. I know a lot of
times I'll practice it. I'm like, do you want me
to listen or do you want feedback any type.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
Of So that's really good, John, that's good advice there.
I think that's the problem with most men. I mean,
that was my problem with me was I was always
trying to fix things and sometimes they just want you
to listen.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
They don't need you to fix it.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Now, one thing I learned, you know, and Edwin, I
know you're part of bo or YPO. But the rule
is is that you listen and you share your experience
if you have a similar experience. If you don't, you
shut the cup and you don't say anything.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Right, Yeah, you don't give advice to share your experience.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Yeah, And and and that I think that's a solid
rule in all aspects of life, even from just a
friendship to family. If you have experience, you don't give advice.
You just share your experience because it might help or
it might just not be completely the same. And I can't.
I can honestly tell you I don't have the experience
(47:30):
my wife has on this show. She has to deal
with the toxicity of it all and navigate through all
of it almost by herself. And I think most of
the housewives are in those shoes, right, because you certainly
can't go to your coworkers and talk about it just
turn around and use it against you.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
Yeah. Yeah. And we as husbands, it's not like we're
gonna go get in anybody's face.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
No.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
And I you know the crazy part too, is there
is there is negativity. And I think that's what just
in general in life. With the show and with Bravo,
there's a lot of positive stuff too, and so you know,
trying to kind of shift focus, as difficult as it is,
you know, onto some of the positives. I remember Lisa
(48:15):
the first season, and you guys can relate to this too,
you know, not knowing what it's like. You know, you
film with your wife, you film with your family, you
walk away, you're like, and Lisa and I were like,
we did it. Everybody's gonna love us. We're so cool.
And then you watch it and you see the ladies
like saying, oh, Lisa's a bitch or this or that,
and that first season Lisa would be it would take
(48:37):
like a day to recovery for her. But I told
her one day and this was she actually liked that.
I actually that I said this, And it's probably after
listening for quite a while, but I was like, because ideal,
I like sports, and I just kind of compared it
to the NBA. The NBA is a very elite group, right,
you have roughly thirty teams, fifteen guys per team out
(48:59):
of the whole world. Yeah, And so I told Lisa,
I'm like, your group is even more elite than the NDA.
I'm like, think about it. There's you know, ten franchises
and five to six ladies per franchise. I'm like, you
are special, and you know she it took her a
little bit, but she did take it in to where
she's like, Okay, I hit it and it helps, you know,
it helps me. You know, I guess shift the focus
(49:22):
from the negativity as hard as it is, but there
is a lot of good good stuff too.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
In the beginning, I actually had my wife convinced. I
think I had my wife convinced that it's a business.
You go do your job and do a really good
job about it, come home, shut it off, and it's
call it a day. And I don't know where in
the in the journey, she became friends with one of
the housewives and she became like outside of the show
friends and I'm like, you're making a mistake. I don't know,
(49:49):
why are you doing this? And everything kind of changed
from then and she started taking things personal again. And
that was the whole premise behind calling it a business,
because you can't get emotional when it a business. Business
is business, and that's what it is. And it's when
you when you get hurt about this that's coming at
you on social media and the TV because like I
(50:11):
said earlier, it's all about the edit. It's it's how
they edit you, and watching the show in the beginning,
I like you, John. I was kind of studying the
guys and I'm like, yeah, you guys, you look like
a douchebag. Even though you're not doing anything. The camera
is very transparent and just watching you. So I don't
consider myself a douchebag. I'm not perfect by any means,
(50:33):
but I'm definitely not a douchebag. So whatever the camera
portrayed for me, it's been kind of positive, I should say,
where I don't have skeletons in my closet or freaking cemetery.
I'm not investigated by the FBI. I'm not going to jail.
You know, noether this is going to come out of me.
(50:55):
But if you if you're if your final like a
pin to me, is that I am boring, I'm okay
with that. Yeah, that's okay, okay with that.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
Yeah. I've had I've had comments where they're like John's
just a doormat this and that, and I'm like, hey,
you know what portray me is that if you want,
I'm supporting my wife and I'm showing you that I
support my wife, and what you see is me just saying, okay, dear,
let's do that.
Speaker 2 (51:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
Yeah, I think it's safer and I'm happy that Edwin's
the same way, like he learned pretty quick. Like I'm
just going to sit back and not saying you know,
and like you know some other husbands who like to
get involved or boyfriends, I should say.
Speaker 3 (51:39):
Yeah, no, I I agree. I think I think overall too,
I have all the husbands that I've met or boyfriends
or whatever, it's all been really cool. I don't watch
all of the franchises, so I don't know how they
are on you know, on the show or anything like that,
but I know there are some that like to get
more involved and almost want to hold a snowflake or
a peach or orange or whatever.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
That's true, that's so true. Tell us a little bit
about your your life outside of filming, because, as as
we all know on this podcast here, what you see
(52:22):
on TV is not entirely the real life that we live.
You know, it's similar. I think there's a lot of
components of it that, particularly the relationships when they're solid,
they're solid. But what's your life like outside of filming.
What do you guys like to do well?
Speaker 3 (52:38):
We we like to travel. We love we love Europe.
I haven't been to London, Lisa's been there a couple
of times. We love France. We've taken our boys to
to France two or three times now. So traveling is
a lot of fun. We we just like spending time
with our kids too. Where does that might sound? You know,
(52:59):
they might not want to spend time with us now,
you know, we we we love being around our kids,
and we know it's a short time time frame before
they're going to be out of the house and everything,
and so we liked doing that at least. And I
just we will It's kind of funny, but and you
might think it's cliche, but what you see on the
show is real. We'll like drive and get cokes together.
(53:21):
You know, we might be doing work in separate areas
of the house, or I might be in the office
or something like that, and she'll call and be like, hey,
let's go get a coke. Yeah, So we'll just you know,
go and go and drive and decompress and everything while
getting a soda. And I'm trying to think, you know,
I've been me personally. I don't know if you guys
are into F one, but I've gotten into F one
(53:43):
like crazy over the last like six months, and so
I'm like watching races now and all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
Did you see the movie?
Speaker 3 (53:51):
I have seen them. I love the movie.
Speaker 1 (53:52):
Actually that was an awesome movie. Yeah, it was long,
but it was very well done.
Speaker 3 (53:58):
I highly recommend it that in the Netflix series Survived that. Yeah,
so I our our good friend has our good friends.
Their son is in F four now start to go
and lives over in Europe and or in Italy, I
should say. And he kept telling me, he's like, you
got to watch Drive to Survive. Got to watch it.
(54:21):
And after after going to see F one, I'm like, okay,
I'm gonna try it. I binged that for over like
you know, however many, however long it took me, but yes,
so f you know, and so I like that one.
Lisa Lisa loves horseback riding, you know. So she's she's
got a horse, so she loves to go ride and
and that helps her relax. She I teas her about it,
(54:43):
but she loves to like ground herself. Like I don't
know if you guys are into this where your feet
or fair feet are on the grass, and she will
sit there and talk to the trees in our front
yard and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
That is so therapeutic, and people don't understand how therapeutic
that is. Even talking to animal most like a horse
or even a cow. If you ever around big animals
like that, I mean, and big animals like bears and
tigers and lions because they'll eat you, but you know,
docile animals. It's such an amazing feeling just to surround
(55:16):
yourself with nature. That's one of my favorite things about
riding dirt bikes is that I find myself in very
short time in the middle of nowhere with either surrounded
by trees or desert or whatever, but you're just in nature.
You're in the world, and it's so rejuvenating.
Speaker 3 (55:35):
Yeah, yeah, I liked. I used to mountain bike, which
was great, but I haven't had time, so I like
to go to the gym. That helps me, helps my
mind get back to center. But yeah, I think I
was interrupted you.
Speaker 4 (55:47):
I went sorry, I was gonna say last question before
we let you go. John, By the way, the center
of you has been amazing. Obviously, you've been on the
season for six seasons and six seasons, right, this.
Speaker 3 (55:57):
Is the current one of season six.
Speaker 4 (55:58):
Yeah, season six thought, was there ever a moment or
moments that you wanted to quit or Lisa wanted to quit?
And one of you had to talk to each other about,
you know, just keep going continuing.
Speaker 3 (56:10):
On every season? Is that I think I think you
want to quit more?
Speaker 2 (56:17):
You or Lisa?
Speaker 3 (56:18):
Yeah? You know, well, I'd have to say Lisa because
it's more about her. You know, she is like what
you were saying, Eddie. You know, the wives deal with it.
You know, we're we're background and so I can, you know,
go to a party. When we go to a party
to film, we as you guys are veterans too. You
know you're not going to enjoy yourself, you know the wives,
(56:40):
the wives know they're going to battle essentially. Yes, And
what I've learned as a husband is I go with her.
And at first I'd go do whatever I wanted, you know,
I'd be talking with someone or whatever. Then and after
a few different defense, I'm like, Okay, ship's going to
go down. I've got to be within five feet to
some to be there for Lisa. And so I think,
(57:03):
you know, I'd have to say Lisa's wanted to. She's
she never would, you know, because she she enjoys She
really does enjoy it. As crazy as you guys can
relate to, I'm sure as crazy as the casts are,
you know, and they kind of hate each other. There
are unique there's a unique bond between all of the
(57:24):
ladies because nobody else is going through it. So, you know,
I think, you know, at the end of the day,
you know, Lisa would get up and if she doesn't
let them, she'd still get up and beat the someone
else that they were, you know, picking on or something,
picking on one of the other ladies. And it's so
you know, she would never she would never out right quit.
But there are days that we're just like fuck this.
Speaker 1 (57:47):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4 (57:47):
I always say, if you're not doing something big enough,
you're not If you're not wanting to quit something, you're
not doing something big enough. If you're doing something big enough,
there's you're always going to want to quit at some point,
even though you right, it's like in business too, like
there's been so many times I'm just like playing that
half am I doing this? Yeah, yeah, you know, And
if you're not wanting to quit, you're not doing anything big.
Speaker 3 (58:09):
Yeah, well, I appreciate you saying that. Is there have
been days on multiple things where I'm just like, I'm done,
let me go live on a bench. I don't care.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
Yeah, awesome.
Speaker 2 (58:23):
We had with you.
Speaker 3 (58:25):
Likewise, I flew by the way that Yeah like that.
Hopefully I didn't talk too much or anything like that.
And I hope Teddy's doing well. Also, Yeah, she's doing well.
I had pieces cut out of my forehead everything, not
not to the level that she's had to deal with.
So yeah, I'm glad to hear that she's doing better.
Speaker 2 (58:45):
Oh wow, I didn't. So you've also dealt with some
melanoma before.
Speaker 3 (58:48):
Yeah, like I said, it was blind, but yeah I had.
I was walking around the gym with this big patch
on my forehead after they dug a hole. Yeah, it's
hard to explain to people.
Speaker 1 (58:59):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for coming up and
spending the time with us. We really appreciate getting to
know you. I know our listeners are going to be
very excited to get to know you. And uh, we'll
see you next time.
Speaker 3 (59:11):
Yeah. Again, thank you very much for having me too soon.
Speaker 1 (59:14):
Thank you, John, you guys, good bye bye.
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