The Eds: unEDited with Ralph Pittman

From RHOA, it’s Ralph Pittman’s turn to set the record straight. Is he still living in the basement?

Ralph gets real about whether or not the show caused his divorce with Drew Sidora. 

Plus, a controversial take on Housewives’ behavioral changes when the cameras are around.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to the EDS. My name is Eddie Judge
and I got my partner here.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Moving in.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
I think we should do this in Spanish today, Yeah,
we should. I will mock up all the words, though
I have to read. I'll have to plan for that one.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
I bet our guest notes in Spanish.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
So we have a special guest today, Ralph Pittman. He
is part of the Real Housewives of Atlanta. Was married
to Drew Siddora uh currently going through a separation divorce,
and what we know about him is they've been together
for eight years, step two children, and she You guys

(00:48):
have been on it for four seasons now, right, Ralph.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yes, you got it, four our seasons.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Awesome. Ralph is a very interesting guy. I can't wait
to hear all about him. He's a new musician, an entrepreneur,
and author. He's got so many hats. You're a very
very interesting guy. I can't wait to get to know you, Ralph.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Fantastic. Thanks for having me. Also, I think, first and
allmost this is an amazing platform because I think, you know,
especially within this world, we're surrounded by all the women
they have the headlines and things of that nature. But
just for an opportunity for the guys to come together
because at the end of the day, and we are
such a huge part of the show as well. Yeah,
it's great to actually be here and thanks for the invite.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, of course, that's a great point you make. We
are a big part of their life on the show.
And I myself try to stay off the show because
it's just so full of fighting and drama and stuff
like that and I just can't deal with that. But
and the truth is, when our wives go out to battle,
if you will, they come home to us and we

(01:53):
listen and we hear, and we talk them off the
ledge and we you know, rationalize what's going on because
it's such a weird, unique situation to be on a
reality TV show where they take parts of your life
and you know, cut and slice and edit and make you,
you know, look good or bad. It just depends on
the storyline, right, got it. So so yeah, it's a

(02:16):
great point. So Ralph, tell us about who you are.
I mean, where did you grow up and where are
you from?

Speaker 3 (02:23):
So yeah, so I grew up actually in New Brunswick,
New Jersey, and so I actually grew up there, didn't
go far for college, and ended up going to Rutgers University,
played football there, and you know, I got tired of
cole Weather and decided I wanted to pursue something different.
Ended up moving over to Los Angeles, and then my
life kind of just began started jumping into a little

(02:44):
bit of entertainment things. I was in real estate for
quite some time, a bunch of things in that particular pursuit.
Technology has been in my background for quite some time
as well. So I got my degree in business economics,
and so I would consider myself more of a business
that's also creative and so but music. I played piano,

(03:04):
you know, on played keyboard for a bunch of different people,
and you know, decided to go into production as well.
So it's like I've been doing a bunch of different journeys,
wearing both hats, right, technology side, real estate and then
also the creative side, which is more so of dippenent
to dabbling in the music.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Now, to me, it sounds like you get bored easy,
But I think the reality is is that you have
so many skills and talents that it's almost like it
doesn't matter what you do. You're good at it, right,
and so you keep doing it, and I assume there's
stuff that you're not good at, like me, I hate

(03:41):
baseball because I suck at it. But you know, there's
certain things that we have to get out there and
try before we find out if we're good at them
or not. Am I kind of onto you now? Like that?
Does that kind of describe your what motivates you, what
gets you up in the morning and why you want
to try so many things? Or why don't you tell us?

Speaker 3 (04:00):
You know what? So this a really good question. I
think you're right, right. I feel like I have things
that I love to just do. That's my passion in
my heart, you know. And so music has been that,
to be perfectly frank with you, right, there's I think
I break it into two different areas. There's business, you know,

(04:21):
where I make my money, and then there's the things
that fill me up. And what fills me up is
the music aspect. Right Literally, I can sit down at
home and play the piano for hours, Like literally, I've
missed going out and been playing a pianel until three
four o'clock in the morning. I had like the best time,
big smile on my face. So that right there is

(04:42):
like my place of refuge, and so music has just
been that thing to where it's more passion but you know,
everything else and it's really not that many. But you know,
I look at it and uh, in their area of business,
anything that's going to help make money, anything that I'm
kind of passionate about or thinking about, like, all right,
this may be a great admiral. I'm looking to solve
a problem, you know. So it's like those are the

(05:03):
areas that I go into. So I would say in general,
I'm a solutionist and also a musician, and so whatever
the solution may be in whatever particular area, like for instance,
the books, the threat, for instance that I created a book.
I was working on a book called The Step and Parenting,
which is a book to help step fathers going through
the journey. You know, I'm a stepfather and pretty excited

(05:24):
about it. That's another thing. Let me jump into that.
My kids, you know, So so I have you know,
we have three, right so Jojo he's fourteen now and
just went to high school. I have my Mackay, he's
ten years old, and then my little baby girl who
is now seven years old. And so having you know,
having that dynamic was pretty different and that's something also

(05:44):
that was on television, and so Jojo is not biologically mine. However,
being a step father is probably the most it's it's
we'll look at it as the most rewarding and the
most fulfilling, yet the most challenging thing that you could
probably ever endure because you're getting mastered in a lot.
It's a lot of different challenges you go through. You

(06:06):
never really know what you're getting yourself into. And so
for me being a first time stepdad, I literally became
a stepdad before I became a biological father, and so
I wanted to actually help other people going through the
same particular journey and you know, really share some light
on it because I think that that's one of the
areas that is overlooked. And so it's like, all right,
you know what, this is a problem that I believe

(06:27):
I can solve. I can be able to help people,
and so let's write a book about it, and guess what,
we can also put it on a show, because now
we're focusing on real life and things that's actually happening,
and since they're capturing it, let's go and talk about
it and give it a platform that actually spent a
negative into a positive situation that people can actually benefit
and learn from. So that's kind of my unique kind

(06:48):
of way of trying to, you know, use the platform
for good when you know it's a show that's not
necessarily about us or it's about drama, but how can
you find that silver light, you know and really turning
it till a great opportunity.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
That's a great point.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
As a step father, do you start off passive? Do
you find yourself at first just being more hands off
while maybe you gained the confidence and where you have
gained the trust I should say to step in and
become a little more of a father figure or would
you always kind of hand off the entire time?

Speaker 3 (07:24):
So great question. One of the things is that you
know as soon as you come in and let's take
it from the beginner, right. It has some fun with
your saying you first meet the woman, right, and you know,
you know what, I think she's amazing, And then all
of a sudden you like, okay, you got kids. Let
me meet the kids and see if they're not titlests.
You know what, these are some good kids. I actually
enjoy being with them and everything is fun. Right, You're like,

(07:47):
all right, let's go to the park, let's go and
do this, let me show you this, let me teach
you this, And it becomes that type of a dynamic
because that's the role that you play, especially if there's
a single mom and a father is not in or around.
You kind of take on that friend kind of a
role because you're still working on build a relationship with
the mom. Right, And once you decide all right, you know,

(08:09):
I'm ready to take things forward and take it to
the next level. They a lot of the times like, oh,
you know what, he's a father, you know, come on,
and so you kind of get pulled in. But I
believe that women typically don't understand exactly what a man's
role is and teaching, especially a boy. Right.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
Yeah, So on the on the front end of things,
they kind of see the nice, positive, fun side of things,
which is, you know, the encouragement to support the jokes
they're playing basketball and things in the nature.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
But in order to teach a man how to really
be a man and a survive out in this world,
it comes with discipline. Now, discipline looks really different than
anything anyone has ever seen, because it's like, no, we're
not going to do this you're not doing this. Hey,
this is the bedtime here, this is you know, And
so all of a sudden, structure starts to look like
a minute, this doesn't feel good. And even to that child,

(09:02):
it's like, wait, what is going on here? What happened
to that funny guy that would take me to the
park and getting ice, scream and let me do all
the things I'm you know, I wanted to do. And
so because the thing is, even as a stepfather or
even just coming in a dating phase, your goal is
to spend time with the you know, with the mom.
You spend you do your little thing with the kids
and everything, and then it's like, all right, I'm off

(09:22):
to the you know, to spend time with your mother.
But now that you are in the house and you're
living under one roof, there's a lot of structure that
you got to put in place. All right, pick up
your toys. You can't do this, you know, And so
that discipline looks different, and it's a way that you
have to roll it into and expectations that everyone needs
to have, especially even the biological mom. Right, it's like, hey,

(09:43):
all right, and so what I learned is that I
learned a couple of I learned a lot. Actually, one
of the things you know, to answer your your question,
I would say, when you start off in a step
parenting situation, you really want to actually not come in
as this disciplinarian. You want to come in and let

(10:03):
the mother be the disciplinarian. You have to build trust
with that child. How do you build trust? You kind
of got to do it, and so you can. There's
a couple of their strategies that you can use, like
the savior method, right, and so the kid does something,
the mom gets on them, and this is something it's
a game that you got to play, and you should
structure before you actually you know, and talk about it
like this is how we're going to do it. And

(10:24):
so we're gonna play good cop backop. The man should
be the bad the good cop. The woman should be
the back coop. But oh, you did this right here
you go get in trouble. No no, no, I have them,
let me, let me talk to him. And now you
come in and he's the kid is like, man, you
saved me. And now the kid has starting to gravitate
and open up a little more to you. You shouldn't
have done that. But this is how we can go

(10:45):
and do it. And you take a different type of
an approach, and I believe that there's these lines. You
need to understand exactly what those lines should actually be.
What do you want me to be in this relationship?
Do you want me to be the disciplinarian? Do you
want me to be this? And so once you have
those boundaries set, now you can really be able to
move forward in the copating journey so that everyone is
on the same page and you're not being emasculated as

(11:07):
a man.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Because that's brilliant. It sounds like some CIA spy shit,
but it is brilliant. I mean to really put your
heads together and come up with that plan. I can
see it working one hundred percent of the time. Because
my experience is that I had step children, but their
father was still in the picture. So I took an

(11:28):
approach of you know, I'm not going to step on
her shoes. As much as I have no respect for him,
and as much as a dead beat dead he might be,
I can't step in that role. And the kids have
to kind of figure it out on their own. They're
not going to do it as young kids. And the
more he pushed them not to like us like me.
The more he pushed them to, you know, saying all

(11:50):
these negative things about me, the more the kids realize, Okay,
this guy's an asshole. And eventually it backfired on him
and they ended up staying with us full time. But
I think it's a little bit easier, I don't know,
not having the father in the picture, because then they
all they have to learn is from you. And if you,
you know, play your cards right. And I love this

(12:12):
idea that you know, you guys put your heads together,
good cop, bad cup. I think that's going to work
one hundred percent of the time because you're going to
gain their trust, and that's kind of what you're saying,
right Edwin Lake. I have to gain their trust before
I even step into that role of disciplinary or you know,
guiding them.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
I got really lucky with Bella's stepdad. I mean, he
could have been a better dad, and I've been kind
of hands off with that relationship and he's been great
and I haven't had to even get into what their
relationship is. He's always been very supportive. So but yeah,
I think to your point, I think it does change
the dynamic when the dad's not around as much. Yeah,

(12:54):
I think probably a little easier. Although for me, I've
been around for Bella and it was it's always and
easy with the step dad and I, uh so I
got really lucky with him.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
But so you see all of these different dynamics that
we have here, right, Yeah, we have, you know, three men,
three completely different scenarios, you know, and I think that's
the that's the big thing about it, you know, being
able to really talk about it, and that's what the
book was about. Ended up getting killed before I could
actually release it, and you know.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
To get killed us a good old D, the good
old D, the good old D. You know. So yeah, So, well,
before we get into that, I'm curious, So you played
football then obviously got into music. What did you do
first to do the football thing first or was it
always you were doing at the same time football music?

(13:46):
Obviously you want to Rutgers, so you were obviously pretty
good at football if you played Division one? So what
what what were you doing first? And how did business
come in? Was it more of I want to make
good money? Is this is why I want to get
into business? Or was the drive on that.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
I feel like I was one of those Well, let
me start off with the first part of it. I
got into music when I was young, so I wanted
to play drums. I went to my mom had us
in church early on, and she would you know. The
thing is is that she would catch the holy doors.
Sometimes she was slacky, you know, so you never knew
what it was ever coming, right, So all of a
sudden you just had to watch out for the backhand

(14:24):
with the Holy Spirit hit you, you know. So so
I was like, you know what, I need to find
a different seat. So playing their drums was a real
safe place at the front by the drum set, and
I'm just watching it, and I just gravitated towards music anyway,
so you know, that was the main thing that I
was actually going towards. I realized that playing drums you
sweated a lot, and so I was like, you know what,

(14:45):
I need to play keys. And then actually it was funny.
One of my guys when I was playing football in
North Carolina. I went to Millburgh High School, and he
came into the locker room one day he was like, man,
I played the piano for my ground. She started crying.
I was like, what teaching me? S? You know, So
he taught me basically like and got me started playing
my first song, and that's kind of how I got started.

(15:07):
And then all of a sudden, one of my friends
that I was working on production with his father, came
to me and was like, Hey, you know what, I
heard you dipping dabble on a piano. How about I
hiring you to play at my church. I'll pay me
fifty dollars a Sunday, now, mind you you know. I
was like, yes, I'm a bluck college student. This was
absolutely amazing. So I started doing that also, but I've

(15:27):
always had a business kind of a mindset. I played football,
so you could say the music came first because I
came at a young age. Then football naturally came with school,
you know, And so I was actually doing that on
the side, and so some days I was going to
play at church, so I'll break off and do that,
and so, you know, so that's what ended up happening.
I graduated, I started doing internships in college of course,

(15:48):
naturally like many of us do, and that's kind of
where I ended up going and getting into technology. I
ended up getting a job at this company called Starter Systems,
and that kind of got me on the way, So
that put me pretty much right in technology, and so
from there that's pretty much been like the wheelhouse. So
and then on top of that the real estate. I
think real estate is something that everybody should be a

(16:10):
part of regardless. But I came up during that time
where we had the housing bubble. So as soon as
I graduated college really started getting my feet wet. All
of a sudden that happened, and I'm like, oh, we
got some other problems. And so it's been a it's
been a really interesting journey, but I've been enjoying it
so far and just having some fun.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
So the college years, were you more of a girlfriend
type or were you like single, living it up, football player,
just you know, living it up, partying.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
A little bit of both, a little bit of both.
So you know, you got you got the mixed bag.
It's like when you come from high school where you're like, oh,
this is what it is. Then you go to college
You're like, wait a minute, it's like a new world.
You know, it's just your mind is blown. And so
but I tried to make sure I was a little
focused as much as I could be. But at the
same time, you know, I loved I had my fun.

(17:07):
I can say I enjoyed college. I lived it up.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Did you ever aspire to play for the NFL or
were you just doing it because of the passion of football?

Speaker 3 (17:17):
You know what I thought, that wasn't I did it
for the passion of football. I felt like I always
have these different things, even watching football. Now, I'm like, man,
I should have did this, I shouldn't make this, should
I should have walked hard? You know, like you got
all these different regrets now. But you know, it wasn't
something to where I was like, all right, I'm going
to the NFL with it. I was there. I wanted

(17:38):
to play it that I wanted to prove something to
myself that I was able to compete and play at
a different level. And then what ended up happening was
just because of my dynamic. I grew up in a
single family household, and I got to a place where
you know, and when I walked, I actually walked onto
the team. I walked onto the team. So when I
got on, you know, of course you got to earn

(18:00):
your stripes. At that point you got to really really
work because everybody's getting their head chopped off. And so
for me, I had to put in that work. But
at the same time, you need money, you know, so
it's like, all right, how do you really be able
to balance this because you got anybody that's on scholarship
and then you're over here, you know, trying to do
it all. So it was it was one of those
kind of things. And so what ended up happening is

(18:21):
is money started catching up to me. So I'm like,
I got to get my business fast, and so you
got to pay for this thing, right, it's not going
to feed itself. And then I'm starting to acquire new bills,
I got a car, I'm trying to do different things.
And so life started taking taking this away. And then
I ended up just jumping out getting into business. And
you know, I pretty much had a pretty successful career.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
So how were your parents or you said single family
home you grew up in.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Mom or dad mom mom?

Speaker 1 (18:53):
And do you have siblings that grew up with you
in that same household?

Speaker 3 (18:57):
You got it. So I have a little brother, Brian.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
Okay, so you were younger, you were the oldest. Okay,
I was What I'm getting at is what really inspired
you to be so motivated?

Speaker 2 (19:09):
What what got you?

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Did you have a mentor. Did you have a vision?
Did you just feel like you're always motivated? How did
what drives you? You know?

Speaker 3 (19:18):
Interesting? I just wanted more out of life. You know.
I felt like I watched my mother struggle, and so
I kind of became the man in my house at
a really, really young age. My mom should get kind
of pissed off of me about that, like, Ralph, you're
a kid, I'm no, Mom, we got to be doing this.
As matter of fact, my brother got a really interesting story.
So one day my mother gives me some us some

(19:39):
money to go in and buy a snack from the store.
And you know, he takes the money and sends five
dollars on something. I'm like, no, you can't send that.
We got to save that money for our house, Like,
you know, that was the thing. I had my mind
set on what we can actually go and do, So
let's save this money, not spend it. And man, and

(19:59):
it a real big thing. So we got into this
huge argument around him just sending extra money trying to
be a kid. But I think it was I was
always kind of just ambitious. I just wanted more out
of life. I felt like I had something called I
would call inspirations. So what I would do is I
would ride my bike pass these really really big houses
and I would just go and just visualize and see

(20:19):
it all the time, like, man, I need the house.
I want that. I feel like I can get it.
And I would do that pretty regularly. So I wanted
to see what other people were doing, you know, that
wasn't a product of my environment and how they were
able to be successful in attaining that. And I'll never
put any kind of limitations on myself.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
So that was it.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
So everything I've acquired, I would say, is been through
visualization and really just wanting and expecting more out of life.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Kind of watching others. Right, that reminds me. I had
some pretty wealthy friends, and every time I went to
their house, I was like, Wow, this is how you're
supposed to live, right, right, right?

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Do this?

Speaker 1 (20:59):
You know, even today when I go to some really
rich people's homes, I'm like, this is how they're supposed
to live. But I don't know where I'm going to
get one hundred million dollars for this house.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
Well it makes sense, right, You got to familiarize yourself
with the dream, right, You have to familiar you know
that story resonates with me because that's what I used
to do at fifteen years old. Is I just started
familiarizing myself with the dream. You know, even it just
reminds me when I couldn't afford the houses that I loved.
I would I call it taking action before you have
what you need. I would stay at a hotel at
least for a day in that same area, so I

(21:33):
could just get used to being in that area. And
then eventually you start to think, Okay, maybe I do
belong here. And then it's funny, your subconscious mind will
figure out a way to go get it. But if
you don't actually familiarize yourself with the dream, that dream
will never happen. You have to mimilarize it. You have
to touch the dream before you have what you need
for sure.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
It's kind of like tasting a fine steak versus you know,
McDonald's burger steak. It's just so different.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
It's, well, you figured you can't improve on something you're
not aware of, right right, Like if you've I remember,
for years, i'd never fly first class, like I'm not
spending money on that ship. Yeah, And then all of
a sudden I did. I'm like I ain't going back.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
To them, you know.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
But then before I didn't know what it was, right, right,
I was just like, I'd rather buy me a seven
hundred dollars short than freaking paste, you know, an extra
eight hundred bucks for first class, you know, I was,
but I knew fashion, I didn't know first class, and
I sat first class. I was like, all right, never again.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
You know that's exactly it, you know what. So I
had two mentors also because I do believe it's you know,
being able to visualize, and then also the people that
you have that actually pours and takes time out of
their way. So I believe people come into your life
for three things, right, for a reason, a season in
a lifetime. Sometimes they're just to really be able to
help you along the journey. So I had a mentor
that was in technology. His name was Fred Song, and

(22:52):
he actually helped me get in the sales. He was like, yo, Rock,
what are you doing? He was like, man, you're an extrovert.
He was like, you know, you got personality here, like
this is where you need to be and this is
where people are really making money. And I'm like, oh really.
So he took me under his wings started getting me
different interviews and stuff like that, and really just helping me,
even taking time to Ralph you're not pronouncing his work correctly,

(23:15):
you know, if this kind of bites me here, you know,
So he would take time to actually say certain things.
And I had another mentor luiage of why and he
actually was like a cio of cardinal health when I first,
you know, I had an internship. And so watching him
like Jesus Helm the letter pretty quickly, like what did
you do? And so also just picking people's brains and

(23:37):
seeing what their habits are and seeing how they thought
and you know, how they moved. And so when I
love what you just said, right, you know, getting into
it and also getting around it, you know, getting around
the environment of it. You know, even if you want to,
I'd rather be the poorest person in a room than
you know, the richest person in the room any day,
because you can't learn from anybody who can't pull for someone.

(23:59):
You need somebody. I just want to help gravitate and
pull you up.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Because when you're at the top, everybody wants to be everywhere.
Everybody wants your place right exactly exactly, So now you're
fighting everybody to stay on your platform exactly.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Well, you know, you know it's funny is with Ralph.
You know we said at the beginning, he's obviously very talented.
He does different things, all these different things. He's really
good at him Another thing is really good at his fun.
Because I had a bunch of fun with I had
fun with him in Vegas. Ralph and I hung out
with Drew Teddy. This is what three years ago, right
or two three years ago? I think it was three
years ago. I mean we had a last and who

(24:40):
would have thought both of us now would be in
the middle of a divorce back then? Can you imagine
if we told Yeah, yep, I did not know what
I'm sorry to hear that, man, No, man, But who
would have known that? Right? We had such a blast.
I mean you think we were like both in like
these perfect relationships with how fun we had, how much
fun we had, and uh, you know, I bet if

(25:01):
I would have told you, hey, two years fromw you're
gonna be divorced, So you would have told me two
years from now I was going to be divorced or
in the middle of it, I told you freaking crazy, seriously,
you know, Yeah, So I guess in two years a
lot or two whatever, it was two three years. I
think it was more like two years. A lot of
stuff can actually change. Uh So, but before we get
into that, how'd you how'd you meet?

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Drew?

Speaker 2 (25:22):
And I guess where did some of these issues start
popping out?

Speaker 3 (25:26):
So we actually met. We met actually in Los Angeles,
So I ended up taking a trip out there and
I was at a I was at a gala. She
ended up coming into the hotel and like instantly, I
think we kind of hit it all ended up going
and connecting and we just got married really really fast.
Everything moved quick, you know, so literally I was I

(25:47):
think I was in a state of readiness, right, I think,
you know, living a dream and being in Hollywood for
a while, it starts to get to you after a while,
you know it. So I ended up going. We ended
up dating for three I proposed three months. We were
married in five months. She was creating in eight months.
So it moved really fast. But we had a lot
of fun during that stage, you know, during those particular times,

(26:09):
and I felt like it was like, all right, this
is my Bonnie and Clyde. We used music is what
also kept us together because she was singing. She's an
amazing singer by the way, you know, so she's an
amazing sing I would produce and we would make songs
for sound different movie soundtracks and everything like that. So
it was it was amazing. I ended up playing for
a mom's church, like it was just a lot of
different synergies there. And then all of a sudden we

(26:33):
just got to the place where things just started to
just flourish. And at that point, once Mackay wash once
she was preyning with Makay, I was like, all right,
everything got to change, you know, the fun that we
were having, everything has to look different. Now we have
to go and create a different world. We ended up
moving from la to Chicago so that we can be
around support and I had to just go out there

(26:53):
and just kind of take over the world. She had
to sit down because of course she was you know,
she was pregnant, and so therefore it was pretty much
just like all on me just to make sure, you
know that everything was just taken care of, which I
was honored to actually go and do. And we ended
up having a pretty good life.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
And then we got the call for us and how
many years into the relationship did you get that call.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Now you're in Atlanta, right.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Now, I'm in Atlanta. Yes, we got the call. She
got the call. I didn't here it, but you know,
I was extremely reluctant. I was like, no, not at all.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Were you familiar with the show when you got the call,
like you knew about it?

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Yeah, I start with it. I've seen people getting destroyed.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
And you want me to do what exactly?

Speaker 3 (27:38):
So I said no. I think they were talking about
it for two years. I think she was talking about
going on it by herself. And I was like, I
don't want no parts of it. I made great money
to begin with. There's no reason for me to actually
go and do it. And on top of that, what's
the benefit for me. It's not it's a thinkless it's
a thinkless place to be, you know.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
And so the guys don't get paid. I do have
a problem with not with working for free.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Hey, Ralph might get paid. I heard he does some confessionals.
By the way, what's the secret to get on the confessionals?
I haven't seen you in any confessionals that shows out and.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Doing a lot of money for confessionals.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
How did you get in there?

Speaker 2 (28:15):
On the confessionals, Ralph.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
Go through a divorce. That's the way from back door.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
That's how you do it, man.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
Man. But you know, so I, you know, I said
no for a very long time, and then I ended
up I ended up saying, Okay, I'll do it. This
is the thing though, I kind of got bamboozled into
doing it because Drew told me that they were going
to be paying her thirty thousand dollars an episode to
do it, and I started doing the math, easy number.
Oh so no brainer, let's go, you know. And of

(28:46):
course at that point, at that time, she was a
stay at whole mother, and so going from zero to
you know, twenty episodes thirty thousand dollars an episode six
hundred thousand dollars, I'm like, all right, cool, that makes sense. Yeah, yeah,
totally was not back at all. So but by that time,
you pretty we were pretty much on it. We already
had moved relocated to Atlanta, uh, and then pretty much

(29:10):
set up shop. But I was always under the impression
of that particular number, and so of course we have
to go and do a test that they got to
make sure that they actually want you, because it's a
difference between them calling you and saying, yeah, we're excited
to have you, but they want to see how you
actually blend in with the with the other housewives.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
You know, a full interview.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Well yeah, they we call they called it a test. Okay,
you know, so you're doing you're doing basically the test
where you're on. But you know how camera magic. They'll
have cameras on everybody, but they can eily put you out. Nah,
you did well in the interviews, you know, you said
the right things. But once you get around the girls,
you know, for drews per Se, you know, it's if

(29:51):
the energy wasn't there, she couldn't hold her own, or
if she kind of just shut down, then they can't
use you. They can't do anything with you. So they'll
touch you out and you will never exist on a show.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
I had no idea because the way they've done it
in Orange County is they just pick them, throw them
on the show, and they they're sink or swim, and
you know, it's it's never like, hey, let's just get together,
see if there's some dynamics, what what chemistry there might
be there, what you know, what potential might be with
the cast. They never do that. They never ever did
they just throw them in here and like, okay, now

(30:23):
we got to deal with this.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
Yeah, we've seen probably before because we came in during COVID.
But there were some people that actually was assuming that
we never saw again, you know, so, and they they
easily cut them right out. Maybe sometimes you may see
like an arm of a person, but you never see
the actual person because they cut you out. Yeah, of
course that's a way for you to pay you. Of course.

(30:49):
Also if you never appear on cameras, you never appear,
so you never do anything. Thank you, Good luck to you.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
So how did that change your life? Notoriety? Now, now
what happens you're on the show. Are you getting I
mean obviously options probably increase, Your d ms are probably
blowing up. Now, Uh get a little fan club? I
did you start dealing with all that?

Speaker 1 (31:21):
Your business brain is going?

Speaker 3 (31:23):
Now?

Speaker 1 (31:23):
How can I leverage this?

Speaker 3 (31:25):
Yes? I came on pretty unique. Also, I came on
pretty explosive, probably one of the most explosive guys okay history,
and it was became in hot Wait.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
So but did you get naked in the hot tub?

Speaker 3 (31:43):
I did not do that.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Day one South porn style.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
It was all downhill. After day one, Bro, where do
I go from here?

Speaker 3 (31:57):
Serious? Serious?

Speaker 1 (31:59):
Tell us, tell us about your first day, like your
big day.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
So I ended up so my infamous storyline, so I
don't have the hot tub being naked, you know, but
I went to Tampa. Tampa became my storyline that everybody
just talked about and it was just crazy. But the
crazy the interesting part is that I went to Tampa
before we started filming. So of course I'm naive. I
don't know how we have a TV work. So I'm thinking,
if it didn't happen on camera, it doesn't exist, you know.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yeah, and no face, no case exactly, you know it.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
So basically our first day filming, uh, they wanted to
film actually doing our real anniversary, and so I'm like, no, guys,
you know, this is our anniversary. I'm not gonna We're
not going to do it. They're like, it's not gonna
be long. We just need you for an hour. I'm
like okay. So we went and I was like, all right,
it's our anniversary. I'm gonna roll out the carpet and

(32:51):
we just go on, you know, really celebrate.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
You know.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
I pulled up my iPad on how I proposed and
Drew I was like, literally jus frying happy, which I love,
by the way, you know. So she give me all
the things I tucked, the covered strawberries. I'm like, look,
this is when I asked Jojo, can I marry you?
And you know, and it was like all of these
different things. The producer came out. He was like, yeah,
that's all good. He was like, but let's talk about

(33:14):
where he went. I was like, oh, really, but that's
what you want to give him, Like all right, whatever.
And the thing is that this is the crazy thing
I never already spoken to Drew about like where I went,
because I mean I did leave during a pandemic. It
was kind of crazy. She had broke she had tore
her achilles, she had an infection. I had gotten really

(33:36):
pissed off also because we were just arguing about school
and all these other things that was happening. This is backstory.
She didn't want to go to a doctor's appointment to
see because he had a staff infection, so she canceled
the doctor's appointment for the staff infection to go and
to go and be with the kids doing homeschool, you know.
And I'm like, wait a minute, I was like, but

(33:58):
if you have a staff infection, you die. The log
of people decision to go to the doctors forget about
the first day. Assuming you know, we got I can
do it. Your mother's here. We are fine with that,
go to the doctors. So we get into the argument,
and you know, some other things happen. We get into
the car, have a huge argument, and then she and

(34:18):
then after that, she said some things that I felt
that was extremely disrespectful, and I was like, you know what,
I gotta I gotta get out of here. I need
a break, so I'll leave you.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Right.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
I go to I don't know where I'm going. I
go to Tampa. Look in Tampa, go to the beach.
I'm running. Mind you, it was the pandemic, so everybody
had COVID, you know, so it was just me up.
There's a ghost town, so I go there. I'm out
there for a second. Then I come back home, falling
place like nothing ever happened. We go through the filming,
and then when that happened, we get into this argument

(34:49):
and she's like, you know, Ralph, where did you go?
And I'm like, it's not about and I thought I
said something very poetic, right, I was like, it's not
about where I went, it's about why, because that's going
to prevent me from going again. I thought I said
something very fun. Man. He took that. They took that
sound like me, and that's what ended up happening. So

(35:11):
they were where did you go? Where did you go?
So all the women started attacking me and everything like that.
When it council, I would say this. When that episode
came on, it was a sad day. I was up
in the closet holding myself. It was.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
So how long were you gone for?

Speaker 3 (35:29):
No left food?

Speaker 2 (35:30):
What?

Speaker 3 (35:30):
Three days? Okay?

Speaker 2 (35:32):
So three days like just not answering anything.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
Mm hmmm. We talked, Oh, we talked. We talked all
the time, you know, be a text message, you know,
like hey, you know this person is going to come
over to the house, X, Y and Z. But it
wasn't anything to where I was just like gone and
rolled off the face of the earth.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
I think that's fine. I thought you left for like
three days and just didn't pick up your phone.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
No, not at all. She she wasn't contact with me
pretty much time. But it was just I needed a break,
I did. I needed a break. Yeah, I needed a break.
So and I understand now, I understand exactly the impact
of me doing that. You know, I should have communicated
I didn't know where I was going to begin with,
but by the way, I should have just been like, hey,
look this is where I'm you know, this is where

(36:19):
I'm going and x y Z. But I thought that
if the reality of it is is that, and I
don't have nothing bad to say, right, I don't have
anything bad to say because you and I are not
in a terrible place or nothing like that. But but
I would say that going through that process, I would
have thought that she would have responded differently, like it'd
been just a regular conversation. I just didn't expect her

(36:41):
to kind of like go off about it and start crying,
because that's not what I typically would experience with her.
So he caught me off guard. But you know, but
she's a great actress, so she kind of played into
this damsel in distress roll and I'm sitting here like wait,
what is going on? And my ass And so from
there I had to figure out exactly how to start navigating.

(37:03):
I'm like, okay, I'm the villain, yep, all right, said
I'm the villain. How do I make sure that I
could be a great villain because you know, as guys,
what we could do is instead of when instead of
you going in and getting make it in the strip
in the uh say the script car, but getting maked
in a jacuzzie, you could have just been sitting at
home and never opening your mouth and just refusing to
do anything right right, it's quiet, because I mean that's

(37:26):
something that we could do. But this is where I
say the men are dynamic because we get in there
and we roll our sleeves up and we act the
fool also, which also guarantees the women another season because
that's a story line there. You know, what did he do?
Oh my god?

Speaker 1 (37:41):
You know.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
And so by that dynamic, you become a household name
yourself because you're this infamous husband. And the husband's player
a huge role, especially, I would say, you know, especially
in Atlanta, you know, with Todd and and all these guys,
Peter and Apollo. During that era, the guys were dominating.
They were like they were a little crazy. Then I

(38:04):
came in. It was me and Todd and Ross. You know,
we were doing our thing. We would have good conversation.
I would bring out to call me day in the kitchen,
aprons and everything like that, which we were doing some things.
And then also it's like, all right, if we're going
to play into it, we're gonna do TV. Let's let's
really do it. Yeah, and which is going to guarantee
you're going to stay on the show. But also let's

(38:24):
create some opportunity. So the business ed you said it, right,
the business mind starts going off like, all right, this
is an opportunity to be able to capitalize. All right,
this and how to go and do it? Because if
you do something and it's not enough, let's use the
word if it's not enough, not I should say, you
can say tension or or controversy, it won't make the show.

(38:49):
It has to be controversial in order for to do it.
And so we did it, like literally, I feel like
Drew and I were at a place where we were
actually having almost we were at a place where we
were both having really big scenes. Would I had her
doing music which I also produced music already know, you know,
So that's the name of the song that I produced
with her, and so I had that being the storyline,

(39:11):
and then I had the book being the storyline also,
So she's doing her music journey. I'm doing the book
journey all at the same time during the season, and
I mean that, right, there's two major opportunities to make money,
you know, outside of this, because the thing about reality
TV that I think people don't realize is once the
cameras go down and they say you're done, literally all

(39:32):
your money stops. So if they're paying you half a million,
a million, two million dollars, that is gone as soon
as they touch you, and you got to figure out
how to make that two million back if that's a
part of your lifestyle, and that's where a lot of
people end up, you know, getting themselves killed because they
can't handle they didn't create enough businesses to be able
to sustain themselves once their life turns off.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Right, did you have any season where you didn't have
any drama or where they are drama ones.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
I'm having drama right now, and I'm like, I've always
found myself in drama for some reason, even when I
don't ask, I try to be good. I was like,
all right, this is gonna be a tom year for me,
and then my name just gets thrown in there because
I feel like I'm collateral damage all the time. It's like,
if you need a storyline, Paul use Ross, there you go.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Yeah, Ralphield, do it?

Speaker 3 (40:24):
So are you still so? Speaking of that?

Speaker 1 (40:25):
So are you?

Speaker 3 (40:26):
Are you?

Speaker 2 (40:26):
You're living? Are you still living in the basement? That's
the last.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
Basement right now. So this is my grand studio here.
I had my podcast and everything, but this is the
podcast area here. So yeah, I'm still here.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Well, let's let's rewind back a little bit more before
we go into that. I I know that, and I'm
sure Edwin can agree. There is a not a stigma,
but kind of a curse of the Real Housewife show
where there's a lot of divorces in the show. Do
you feel like the show kind of of forced this

(41:02):
stealth in the cracks of your relationship that that contributed
to the divorce or did you have divorce as one
of the things in your mind, like I don't know
if this is going to be a forever relationship. You know,
it was that divorce the d word around before the
show or was it prominent once you got on the show?

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Great question. I would say that I talked about divorce
before the show actually did come all around, just because
I feel like from a compatibility perspective, we didn't have
an opportunity to know each other as well as I
probably would have needed to know each each other. Right,
You really need time to really establish with someone to

(41:45):
understand are you. We We have compatibility on all these
various different levels, and there's nothing that's going to break.
And so what ended up happening in my situation, I
would say the show contributed because I would have saved.
And I feel like men do a really great job
of just suffering regardless. I wanted to make sure, not
before anything else. I'm a father and I love my

(42:06):
kids with all my heart, and so I would have
saved because I don't believe in having anyone else raising
my kids. I want to make sure that I can
pour into them. I didn't have my father as much
in my life as much as I wanted to to
begin with, and so I told myself, you know, even
as I'm building all of these different things, I'm making
sure that I build myself up and my kids up

(42:27):
to be the best they could possibly be, you know,
to make sure I can give them the values and
pour into them so they don't have a life that
I had where I had to try to figure out
certain things on my own. I'm going to make sure
Dad is there for them and they know I'm here,
and so I would have stayed in sacrificed regardless of
anything else. I think what ended up happening is and
this happens. I think the curses for a lot of

(42:48):
people women And I'm gonna say this, I'm controversial any rest.
I believe that what happens is is you get onto
these platforms and it's so much pressure. Because I felt
that Drew wouldn't have an issue because she was an
actress already. I'm like, all right, so you're used to this, right.
I feel like people lose them women who lose themselves
with reality TV a lot because all of a sudden,

(43:10):
they all of a sudden become these megastars overnight, and
how do you deal with it? What I would say
is from an actress perspective, I think the thing that
people don't realize is a pressure that comes with being
a housewife. Right. So, as a regular actress, you people
love you and they're around you because they're like, oh man,

(43:31):
this role right here, you get this. You mean so
much to me, This meant this. You can speak about
your passion nobody's prilicizing you about what you got on,
that your makeup isn't right, you know, you know, cure
yourself over your hair, like it's these all of these things.
And then all of a sudden you find yourself in
this position where every single year you got to elevate.
Oh I got to look better because they're going to

(43:52):
come after me. They're going to come after me. And
so you find people and I don't know if this
is on your franchise, but it's definitely on ours, where
everyone is trying to keep up with the Joneses and
become something. But becoming something means more money, and you
send all your money trying to give this look and
you don't have anything at the end of the day.

(44:13):
But you become a great star and you've got people
that's applauding you and like, yeah, girl, you this looks great.
Oh man, your fashions are great. You know, now this
is what you need to be doing. But that right there,
it comes with a huge financial strain. And once you
stop and once you stop looking at things the right way,
because this is what I would say business. Let's talk

(44:36):
business for a second. At some level, with all businesses
there's going to be costs and expensive that's associated with it.
You've got to get to a place where you kind
of get net neutral, where you can actually sustain your costs,
you know, and once you do that, because that's the
only way you're going to get into profitability. All right, Cool,
I've spent enough money here. We're gonna have to keep
what we currently have here because it's good enough, and

(44:56):
we're going to need to just focus on just building revenue.
If you don't have that access, then you're going to
kill yourself because there's no way to be able to
keep up. And so I believe that we kind of
got ourselves lost in that particular journey on top of
you know, the glitz, the glamour and that, you know,
and the different storylines. And I think so that I
think that's one big one. I think the other big

(45:17):
one for us was that I believe that the storyline, like,
for instance, if you come in and you're with the ships,
that's what I would call it, right, If you're gonna
be something, you got to be with the ships and
you gotta have fun with it, right. But like for instance,
if I'm gonna so Eddie, if I'm gonna make you

(45:37):
my if I'm going to tell you, hey, we're gonna
play good cop, bad cop, you're gonna be bad cop. Right,
And we're in a situation I can't you know, at
the end of the day, once you put your back
coop role, I can't keep you being bad you know,
I got to pull you back up. But man, Eddie
is good man. He did that. You know, we did that.
And now all of a sudden we played a game.
But I can't go and say Eddie, you know man, yeah,

(45:59):
like man Eddie was a straight asshole with us. I
can't be like, yeah, he did. I mean, he's terrible.
I can't because then all of a sudden the game,
we lose the game. Now all of a sudden, you're
looking at it like, wait a minute, I did this
for you. There is something for you, right, you can't
leave you in that position. I think in our case,
it was like I played the role of the bad

(46:20):
you know, the bad boy, whatever it is. I was
the villain. But you can villainize me forever. You got
to also pull me up. And so that's the things
of humanizing me, right.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
I think what happens is if a woman makes you
being really bad, then you're going to be bad and
there's nothing you can do. The show is not about us.
You don't really have a chance to see who you
really are. They don't know, you know what I'm saying
when they don't know that you're over here cooking breakfast
and you're doing all these great things, you know, and
you're being this charming person, you know, this charming man,

(46:50):
because the cameras aren't there, and even if they are there,
they won't show it because that doesn't fit the storyline
that they're trying to show. So you need the woman
to bring you up or to make you neutral. I
think Cynthia Bailey for my show, she did a really
good job of just making sure that she can at
least humanize people and not be, you know, not be
this big victim. But you know, at the end of

(47:11):
the day, it's a journey you kind of go through it.
I learned a lot, i would say, and I learned
that people don't care, you know, like people don't hear
about who you are and what you show up as.
It's only a real small community that really truly do
want to get to know you, and a lot of

(47:32):
them are your family. You know, even friends can turn
against you because they're like, look at this headline. You
did this, You're trying to take her business. I'm like,
I am the business. What are you talking about? This
is there's all my money? What a he's talking about here?
You know, even when it comes out of this house.
So you've mentioned even the beat in a basement. It's

(47:53):
a double edged sword. You're damned if you do, damned
if you don't. If you leave the house all of
a sudden, you abandon the kids. When you lose the kids, yeah,
if you say you're a sick they can't afford to
go and live on your own. I'm like, oh, so
it's like, nah, I guess I'm gonna just have to
take it. I love my kids. I want to make
sure I'm here with them. I'm not going to lose

(48:13):
the relationship with them. They have to fight like hell
because it's a money game in the courts. To try
to really get, you know, have access to your kids.
You have to prove yourself. But leaving is the worst
thing you can do because you pretty much give up
your right to your kids.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
And at the end of the day, Ralph, what people
don't realize that watch the show, is that we are
real people. We're going to make decisions based on our
you know, ability to survive this situation in our lifetime.
So when you have to stay in the same household,
who gives a fuck? And nobody should ever care or

(48:52):
have to know the truth? This is your real life
and you're going through it, and it's somewhat private, you know,
but because you're a public person, you can't blink without
you know, the fucking story coming out. So oh, your
eye wasn't dark enough or you didn't blink fast enough.
You know, It's just I get it. We signed up
for that. But when it comes to the reality of

(49:13):
our world, if you have to, you know, live in
the same house for as long as you have to,
who cares with people? There's so many, so many judgments
that are going to come at you because of whatever
decision you make. But just stay true to yourself and
understand that nobody, like you said, nobody cares the true outcome,
the end result. Only you do. And as long as

(49:36):
you feel good about what you're doing, that's all that matters. Really,
It's all that matters, not what the audience thinks. And
I think You're right, some of the women do get
kind of caught up with that one of my biggest
problems on our franchise, and I don't know if it's
also across all the other franchises, but it's the fakeness,
you know, when they come up with fake storylines. And

(49:57):
I learned something really interesting yesterday. I was on Jeff
Lewis radio show and he said something about how important
it is when you're a housewife coming onto the Housewife
Network or show world that if you were, you know,
a secretary at a law firm when you got cast,

(50:18):
then you stay a secretary at a law firm and
continue that as your life, as your career. Just because
you're getting paid good amount of money being on the
show doesn't mean you have to quit what you're doing,
because then your story goes out the window and now
you're kind of fumbling, like I got to make some
shit up so I can be interesting, because all I
got going is I'm a housewife, paid housewife, and that's

(50:40):
that interesting. So that that was a really interesting point
that Jeff made yesterday, and I learned something new about
this whole journey all the time, you know, And I
think that's one of the reasons why I enjoy talking
to you guys. I mean, at least the good guys
on the show. I'm not to talk to all the

(51:00):
criminals that have been on the show yet, that is funny.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
So, Ralph, do you ultimately think that the show caused
the divorce?

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (51:21):
I think it's what. I think it's what cracked the
door open, you know. And I think we were probably
at a place where we perfect, you know what, you
know what interesting enough, this is something interesting that juwe
told me. She was just like, well, Ralph, I brought
I talked about real problems that we were already dealing with,

(51:44):
and I just didn't know.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
Those problems existed, you know. So and so it was like,
why would you bring me on on television to talk
to me about something if it's a real thing. I mean,
this is the worst place to do it, because I
don't believe you said in a second right. People bring
up fake storylines all the time.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
I know what it is.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
It's entertainment. It's not the news, you know. So you're
doing entertainment. You want to show glimpses of real life,
but also you're going to really make focus on making
great TV yeah, so so, but I think going through
this it really cracked the door, you know, to where
things just started becoming exposed and it just became too challenging.

(52:25):
So I would say yes because I would have definitely
guaranteed I would have stayed in my marriage just for
the simple fact, you know, I wanted to make sure
I'm in my kid's life, and we would have just
figured it out. I've done it several times over. You know,
I could have left a long long time ago. I
chose to say, so I would say I would say
yes to definitely that this show impacted our relationship, how

(52:51):
about you?

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yeah, you know, you know it's interesting that you mentioned
I mean communication, right. I also had no idea that
and Teddy has said this as well, so I can
say it. I had no idea our relationship was in
a bad place. I thought we were in a great place.
But she just never communicated that to me. So that
part I was surprised with, which again it sounds like

(53:14):
that's what you said as well, right where you were
sort of surprised that you didn't really know there was
some issues.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
But the thing about it is is that you know, yeah,
that part but on TV, she makes it this big thing.
But in private, it's like, oh, Ralph, I love you.
You know, everything's and so it's weird. I'm like, which
one are you here? You know?

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Is a different when the cameras are around, they have
pers That's my.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Big problem, you know, It's like it's continuity. It's continuity.
I got to take you where people last saw you,
and I'm like, forget about what they lost. Tell me
this is reality. We're going to just how about we
just live in today, you know, and the present into
who we are today and treat me the way you
would treat me today when it can are off, not
when they're on. And so we I have a problem

(54:04):
with it because I feel like it's not real. Our
story isn't real for us and to us, and it's
not showing who we you know, who you really are,
because it's.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Like I don't I don't think you honestly, to hit
on your point, Ralph, I don't think normal people have
real stories that are interesting. We're just normal fucking people.
But we got some really smart producers and editors that
create this storyline right the storyline editor, and they create

(54:33):
this pretty amazing show that's been going on for twenty years.
So I got to give them the credit for being
so creative and so successful with putting you know, boring
non acting you know, trained people on TV and making
a huge success out of it. Right, We're just normal
people and we're not trained actors, and I don't know

(54:56):
how to use all my levels of voices and face,
show lip, you know, and all kinds of skills that
real acting people get, you know. So we're just making
it up as we go, and we're doing life as
we go. So you know that, I got to give
them credit for putting together such an awesome successful show
for almost twenty years now.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Agreed, I definitely agree. Definitely couldn't agree with some more
on that one.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
What was the tipping point with the decision to get divorced?
Like what happened that caused either you or her to file?

Speaker 3 (55:30):
Like?

Speaker 1 (55:31):
What was the catalyst?

Speaker 3 (55:33):
It was an affair?

Speaker 1 (55:34):
Oh, it wasn't affair.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Okay, it was an affair? And was it you you
know what? Actually?

Speaker 1 (55:41):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (55:41):
Okay? But do you know the funny thing is so
a couple of all the things that I learned, right,
because you know, of course this is my first marriage.
I haven't been through this journey before. So I thought
that people were just going to have a conversation, like look,
so what I did was, you know, it was a Saturday,
and how they look need to have a conversation. This

(56:01):
is what I want to do.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
You know.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
I think we should go to Cecha ways YadA, you know,
and I want to file. I'm going to file for divorce.
And so you know, she's like, all, that's what you
want to do. And so we had that conversation on Saturday.
On Monday, basically her when we went and tried to
go and FIU. So it was like a race. That's
another thing I like. On TV, we just became a

(56:25):
fit show because I can laugh about it, like, let
me see, let me say this, right, We've been going
through this divorce for two and a half years. I
just some of this stuff I just gotta just now
laugh about because I'm like, this is happened and a
half the same. But on national television, they started making
these different cartoons about us racing to the court house

(56:46):
to go and foul and Drew one because literally Drew filed.
Drew's attorney found mind. I had the conversation with her,
but her attorney was able to submit her information I
think like an hour before my So it looks like
we both found them the same day, hers winning first,
and so it was absolutely just insane. So I'm like,

(57:08):
here we go. So that's a notice for all we've
been watching. You can't go and give notice, just going
to get it done.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
By the way, Ralph, very similar situation, same, very simple.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
I think when you have TV experience or media experience, there's.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
A rookies on that one, Ralph.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
The first one, the first one to file, is going
to get the story out there, so which means the
first story out is going to stick. It's what happens
after that that nobody cares about. It's this first story.
So I think that's the whole, you know, purpose behind
filing first. At the end of the day, though it's
the same ship show.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
I'm gonna agree with you more on that.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Yeah, well, I'm sorry to hear that you're going through that.
Would you say that you're on the other end of
it or you're still in the you know, muddy, sickening
side of divorce.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
Well, I'm still in the basement, Kam. But but I
think the reality of it is, you know, I think
you go you go through these phases right first you're hurt.
Then you're going through and you become angry and you know,
and then after a while you get to a place
to where you know everything that you do, everything you

(58:27):
can say because you know, of course it's a big fight.
You said this, you said this, This is my narrative.
And I feel like, as men, and when I know
you can probably agree with this, we're fighting for our
voice of say you know what the actual truth is.
Because now people are looking at you like it's you,
you did this, it's your fault. Everybody points the finger,
everybody chooses a side. And so for me, I ended

(58:50):
up getting to a place i't even think in a
podcast you know called ralph an Abasement, and ralph an
Abasement was to basically tell my own narrative because I
couldn't rely on anyone else and keep in the show
to tell my narrative because they don't really care about me.
I'm not the housewife, you know, and so which I
do appreciate the network for actually you know, definitely supporting

(59:11):
me and you know, allowing me to tell the piece
that I did. I feel like I can always have more,
you know, of course show and humanize me and show
who I really am. But they they did it, they
did they did a lot for me. I mean, I
can say that, and then you get to a place
where it's just like, hey, you know what, this probably
doesn't really matter as much, you know, And so I

(59:33):
look at my kids and I kind of now finally
have broken out of the angry, bitter stage or whatever
like that. I ended up creating a song. But I
wish you well. You just launched that, right, I've just
lost that. I just launched it. So it's available on
all platforms, by the way. But wish you Well is
I think it's an alternate song just to say, hey, look,
I don't care about what narratives you say. I don't

(59:55):
care about if you lie about me, you do anything,
you bad mouth me. You you know, at the end
of the day, I wish you well. And it's something
that I can go and put out there and have
a smile on my face. I think I'm gonna talk
about myself, but I don't know if you guys can
relate to it. The for men when we're emotional or
for myself when I'm emotional. That means I care you

(01:00:17):
got it. But when I stopped caring, I just put
a smile off face and I'm like, yeah, you know
what I wish you well, yeah, you know, I'm a
focus on me. I know, I got a lot of healing.
You do, and I do because you know, even getting
out there, so some things I got to break myself down.
It's a lot of things. You also realize that you
did wrong. On your side. I could have done this better,

(01:00:39):
you know. You know, I sailed in this area, you know,
And I also recognized the area that where I probably
could have treated you better or given her the things
that she may have wanted at the time, but they
didn't I didn't care about it as much because they
didn't fit into the grand scheme of things from a
business perspective, you know. But these are things that from
an emotional perspective that she felt like she might have needed.

(01:01:01):
I don't know whether or not that would have probably
prevented anything from being the outcome, but they're a thing
that I need to learn for myselves because my next relationship,
it's going to matter then. And you know, and I
have a daughter that I'm raising and I want to
make sure that she also understands certain dynamics around how
and I can teach and be like, hey, you know what,
this is where dad made a mistake. This is something

(01:01:22):
that I get wrong and be able to learn from
my mistakes and be able to grow, because I think
that's a big thing. We can't take scars with us.
We as men, we need to heal, you know, we
need to give ourselves grace to allow ourselves to be
able to do that, because sometimes we do.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
We do break.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
Men commit suicide the most out of anybody in divorce.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Yeah, that can do.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
What would be that thing that, if you can go
back to you would change. I'm curious.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
What would I change. I probably would have taken more
time to go and take her out on dates and stuff,
just to make sure that she knew that I appreciated
and loved her. You know, I think I was so
focused on getting money and driving forward, like all right,
we got these opportunities, and I saw a short window opportunity.
I'm like, all right, this show my man next year.

(01:02:16):
So what can we get done? You know, there's continue
to drive this thing because if we're making X, this
is what we can do. The reality of it is,
this platform is great because you can actually be able
to scale a business ten times faster if you use
the platform the right way. You know, it's really possible,
but you need to make sure it's done correctly. And
so that's where my focus was opposed to going out

(01:02:38):
and just making sure that we were together and we
were on the same page. And I feel like if
especially being on television, because now we're kind of we're
now celebrities, right, We're all very very well known and
very popular for good or bad. But I think if
we were able to actually sit down and make sure

(01:03:00):
that we were unified and we would have probably been
able to allow no one to come between us, because
I believe a big part of also our demise is
so many. You got so many different voices coming into
your head. Who should you listen to? Who has the
right thing? And all of a sudden, you got the producers,
you got the friends, you got the fans, you have
makeup artists, their scholars, you know, your mother, your auntie,

(01:03:24):
and you got so many different voices. How do you
make sure that you can still hear your wife's voice
and your husband's voice so that you guys are the
only ones in a room and you can be able
to silence the noise. I would say that we failed
horribly at that, and so I would have taken more
time to really make sure that we had a solid foundation,
and if we didn't, I would have stopped right then

(01:03:46):
and there. And but we can't film until you and
I get on the same page, until you and I
have one voice, and we won't allow anybody to be
able to separate because I don't believe in allow nobody
to break your marriage unless it's the two of them,
you making a conscious decision. It should never be any
outside force it. Even when you asked a question, do
you believe the show broke you up? It should never

(01:04:07):
be a thing or a time where a show should
be able to do anything, because it shouldn't have that
much influence. But it does, you know, and we also
felt a victim for that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
I love that answer, by the way, I think if
I look back at mine, that's probably what I would
do as well. I think we I started taking for
granted the times we spent together. We used to go
out at least, we used to have at least one
date a week, no matter what, and we were doing
in the daytime, and then we just stopped. As I
look back, I started thinking we started, we stopped doing
that one on one time because there was so many

(01:04:36):
things that we had the kids, and you know, I
thought I was doing my thing with the kids, which
was showing her love by doing that. But in reality,
we just stopped having that that weekly just you and
her type moments, and you could easily get lost and
not do it, and then you just forget about it
because it just becomes sort of a habit. You don't
even realize it's happening.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
I remember you talking about that actually with when we
first started the podcast, and you guys said something very
interesting that makes sense now. It sounds like when you
get as busy as you guys are, we all are
very busy, and I got I got.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
I also got to your point. I was focused on
just bringing in money, right. I got focused on this
business and I'm gonna make this thing brand. Yes, and uh,
you know I started a solar company at the same
time too, so I was just between that and the kids. Yeah,
it was taking all my time and I really just

(01:05:34):
stopped paying attention to the one on one time. You know,
we're spending time together as a family, but we stopped
spending that one on one time.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
But the one on one time I think that's the
most valuable for me anyways, because we still get it.
And this is probably just me thinking it in my
own little world, but it's when it's spontaneous and you
do certain things that just happened and you realize, holy shit,
I have, you know, my partner with me, and this happened,

(01:06:03):
and we'll never forget it, and we'd like to do
a lot of first things together, like travel to a
certain destination for the first time together. But the point
I'm trying to make is when you were talking about
your relationship back then, and I think Teddy's the one
that said, you guys schedule your sex sessions, I'm like, okay,

(01:06:23):
now you're way and busy. If you have to put
I'm going to have sex at two thirty in the
afternoon because kids are at school and everybody's gone and
this is our only window. It's like I'm supposed to
get it up on the spot. I mean, this's got
a mind of its own. At my age, when it
gets up, it's time, you know. But I think it's

(01:06:45):
that spontaneity I appreciate mostly with my wife, you know,
and even today it still happens like we're in the kitchen.
All our kids are pretty much gone, so we can
get frisky in the kitchen and it's fun.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
Those kind of things makes to go right. But if
you stop doing those things, I think that's where the
magic kind of goes away. Like m h, those are
those are the moments. And even just going out to
dinner once a week, that can get old too, unless
it's spontaneous. And we've had those too, like, hey, you
want to go to dinner? Yeah, where I don't know.
Let's just go find a place and just that adventure

(01:07:22):
was fun enough that we didn't have to you know,
call our pr company, to call that restaurant that's always
sold out that we nobody can get into. Just to
get into this restaurant, just to have that experience, I'd
rather have that. You know, what are you feeling like today?
Let's just go fucking venture out and figure it out.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
You know. A question for you, so how did you
how did you navigate not talk like when you actually
did all those moments where you can enjoy each other.
How did you not talk about reality TV and things
that's happening what you did on the same versus how
you should have acted and things like that was a
big part of my thing. I remember we went out
to me one time. I had this amazing Kent house

(01:08:03):
and it was the absolute worst vacation in the world.
We flew out because our tradition we will fly out
after reunion and I'm all right, come on, let's so
we're gonna go and enjoy ourselves. We're gonna go with WUSA,
celebrate getting done with it, finishing up, you know, a
new season. And literally we argued and thought about reality

(01:08:24):
TV the entire time, and it was terrible, to the
point where I was like, you know, I think I'm
ready to go home. Yeah, let me let me see
where I can get on another flight here, Simon gel,
But how did you actually go to that base and
get there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
It's it's hard to navigate through that, honestly, because I
I when my wife got fired the first time, it
took me twelve months to get her off a ledge
and to realize that we don't need the show financially,
and we have a successful company and we have other
ways to make money. Because she's very entrepreneurial as well,
which is what I really admire about her. She thinks differently.

(01:09:00):
She thinks, you know, about just building things and doing
things for real, not for show purposes, but for real life. Right,
So when we finished filming or when the season's over,
it takes a long time for me to get her
to stop and say, can we just go on a break?
You need a break. You've been working five days a week,

(01:09:22):
seven days a week. You need a break. You're getting sick,
you're not feeling great. So last year, for her birthday,
she decided to get a medical procedure. I think she
got an eye lift or something like that, but like, okay,
on your birthday, really, now, I can't take you anywhere
because I like to travel too. So this year I
had to like really pry into her and twist her

(01:09:46):
arm and go, okay, this season or this birthday, I'm
going to take you away. I don't care where. You
need to tell me. And it took about three weeks
for her to, you know, have any ounce of interest
in it. And I realized, fuck it, I'm gonna book
it and you're gonna go, and you're gonna have to
clear your calendar. And I did so because it's her birthday.
And there was a lot more dynamics going on here,

(01:10:08):
like my grandmother turning a hundred, and she's like her
birthdays two years two days before. My wife is like,
which one do I celebrate here?

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
But my final conclusion was I booked the trip to Yosemite,
just a simple trip over to Yosemite where I'm sorry, Yellowstone,
We're just going to have a little good time. Restaurants, tour,
see nature, see the beautiful America. It's something we've never
done together before, and it's going to happen. And I

(01:10:36):
think now that she's looking forward to it as of yesterday,
because I booked this two weeks ago. She's like, oh no,
I'm thinking about it. I think it's going to help
her really come off that world of TV and start
looking at us. You know what I mean, because when

(01:10:56):
you're on TV, you're always up here thinking I got
to entertain, got to know what to say, I gotta
wear this, I gotta you know, do that. So to
get her to get down and start thinking about what's
really important, it's not too hard, but it's one of
the challenges. And and I know that she can do
it because she was ready to go in you know,

(01:11:19):
guns blazing this season. And the biggest curve that came
to her is when Teddy was diagnosed with cancer. And
I've never seen her crash and burn so quick and
not not realize you know, she's on a TV show.
She's got a lot of balls, you know, in the air.
You can't just quit. But she had to because that

(01:11:40):
what was more important to her in her life is
you know, her friends, her best friend's health, and it
really really hit her herd. I can't imagine if something
happened to me, what would it do to her. But
that's real, that's that's that's the reality of reality TV.
And and again she got judged and criticized like, oh,

(01:12:02):
you should quit forever and you know you shouldn't have
quit or you know, it's never one or the other, right,
But she got through it, and I'm just like, fuck,
how do you do it? Babe? You know, I really
don't know how she does it. She's she has something
in her that she can deal with all that bullshit.
And if it was me, I'd be like done, I
don't want anything to do. And that's kind of what's

(01:12:24):
allowed me to stay out of the drama. You know,
I learned early on, like this is not a house
husband show. This is a house wife's show. So let
them fight, let them talk, let them do their thing,
and you're even. Then you still end up being you know,
some sort of collateral and their stupid stories, you know,
the stupid stories that these other women make up about you.

(01:12:45):
Do you have any of those? Like did the other
women make up any stupid stories about you?

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
Oh? Man, my second my first season, they came out
and was like, yeah, Rolf's gad. I'm like, where did
this come from? You know, all this is not true,
and I don't know who made this up, who said it,
who said it, but nobody would say this person said it.
So yeah, I got all kinds of stupid things that
people have said, you know, but those are things that

(01:13:13):
they Those are things you just got to go and
try to deal with and navigate. And it's not always easy.
It's not always easy. It's a lot of pressure.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
Fortunately, when the rumor or lie is not true, you
have nothing to prove, right, But when you're investigated by
the FBI or you're committing some sort of fraud and
you have to come on to social media and try
to justify all the things that are going on that
usually is a red flag, right, That's usually an occasion

(01:13:43):
that a.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
Lot of That's true.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
Those are some real problems, yes, and I know ithing
to do with them. I had one other question, you know,
because one of the things we also tried to do
some other business also on a show a matter of fact,
and this is another area of contention that we ended
up having. So we actually were working with someone and
created a brand called Dropping with Drew, and so Drew

(01:14:08):
was running his business. Dropping with Drew was a weight
loss program, and she ended up saying that she was
the sea over the company, and they ended up calling
her out on it. I was working with their help,
you know, promoted and everything else because it really was
a great program, but somebody else owned it. We were
placing like influencers on it, and then you know, they
branded it, you know, so which is something that people

(01:14:29):
could do a lot. And what I did was I
was like, I can't be anywhere near it because if
it's one thing. As a woman, you can be a
great line or they look, oh my god, she lies,
she's amazing love for it. As a man, I think
as soon as somebody says he threates fake business, just
like you know, the FBI is investigating you wherever. He's

(01:14:54):
gonna go to jail at some point, and so all
of a sudden you become that guy. I was like,
I can't do any thing. I can't be closer is
because business is something I really do in real life. Yeah,
you can't have anyone attached to my name or any
kind of scandal or lies or anything else like that.
Call me a bad husband, you know, don't call me

(01:15:14):
a bad business person. I have to have integrity and
those things actually do mean something. Well, so would you
agree that I made the right decision by pulling away
from the business or would you have done it or
would you have stayed in the trenches and be like
we're gonna burn together.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
No, I mean, I think you have to keep it
about integrity, right. You have to buy your character, and
if something's not aligned with your character, you know you
got to you gotta go with what your character is.
And you know, I always say under pressure, people's character
will be revealed. And you know, I think you did
the right thing based on you know, that's you wanted

(01:15:47):
to be truthful about what you were about in business.
And I think ultimately you have to protect that image.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
I agree one hundred percent. And my similar story is
when I had the gym, I made sure that when
we filmed, because the show wanted to film all the time. There,
it's our livelihood, it's our lifestyle, it's our business, and
I made sure that we never filmed during regular business
hours because I have actual clients that you pay us

(01:16:15):
their money to come train and work out and improve
their health. They're not paying me to be on my
TV show or my wife's TV show, right, so it's
super important for me to distinguish. Okay, I might have
some clients and members that might want to be on TV.
I mean there's a lot of people that want to
be on TV and are willing to volunteer to be

(01:16:37):
in this workout or this scene or whatever. But it
was never like, hey, this is a real class that's
going on now and these are all real members. None
of that was happening because it's not real a real business.
It's I'm training you one on one or I'm working
with you one on one, and it's here it's not
for TV purposes, you know. So I think you did it.

(01:17:00):
You made the right decision.

Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
I appreciate that, and I thought so because I feel
great about my decision. But she was, yes, I think
that was another crack, a breaking place. She was like,
you know what, Ralph, you don't support me. Like, there's
certain things I can do, you know, I can talk
about the Tampa situation. I can't go yeah, but me
do whatever else you need to do. I can be

(01:17:22):
down with you with that. But my character and my
titet and those are things that stay with you for
the rest of your life. And that's something I got
to stand on.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
Yeah, yep, that's one. Like you said, that's the character
that no one can take that away from you. Right,
Your talent, all that stuff can go away, but your character,
you know, that's something.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
You could proverb So I do have one more question.
Speaking of character, we talked about this in our last
interview with Frankie, and I really really enjoyed the conversation
because it had everything to do with integrating your next
chapter of your life with your ex partner and her

(01:17:59):
new partner. And what they've done is they've just raised
children together. They've traveled together, they have they go to
the movies together.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
They do all this.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
Crazy shit that normal people don't do. You know, like
in a breakup, do you ever see yourself having that
kind of lifestyle where you and Drew kind of get
along as friends. Now that there's no, for lack of
better descriptions, sexual tension, No, no sexual relationships. But you
know what, you're the parents. You're gonna raise the kids

(01:18:29):
together and you're going to show them, you know that
you ultimately, at the end of the end of the day,
you have to respect each other and go as far
as traveling, going on vacation as a family, celebrating holidays
as a family. Can you envision that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
We've already done it? Oh you have? Yeah, we've actually
did it. We took a cruise, you know, just to
take the kids out, just you know, because my thing
is is I feel like adult, my kids don't deserve
none of this, right, it's adults that do stupid things. Yeah,
and so I want to make sure that we show
up as a unified front for our kids. Now, you know,

(01:19:06):
once everything is finalized, said, done, you know and sign
shildo and delivered. I don't know how it be, but
my thing is, even with the book the Step and parenting,
I believed of integrating, you know, because you don't want
to create a toxic environment for the family, because then
that's what the kids are going to be about product

(01:19:27):
of you know. And so my goal is to try
to figure out how to really be able to solve
some of these different challenges that may plague us. And
it's easier said than done, of course, because even you know,
and even talking about your situation, you know, it's like,
all right, this is what I'm dealing with there. But
you know, if there's a way to create or cultivate

(01:19:47):
an environment that is positive, I just don't know how
that's going to look yet. I'm not there at that
point of integrating everything together. But at some point in
time it does have to I would I would like
it to happen to some degree. I just don't know
how that looks as of yet. So it's like I'm
just you know, being positive and being optimistic that everything

(01:20:09):
will work itself out, and also even my kids making
sure they're happy because I don't know what it looks
like and it feels like to live away from you know. Yeah,
and so those are things you know, ed when are
you still living at home? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
Ninety percent of the time, yes, ninety percent of the time. Yeah,
so we were doing this thing called nesting. But then
after Teddy got sick. Uh, now I'm sort of helping
take care of her. So that's where I'm here ninety
percent of the time. Still they have like one two
days where I stay at the other house.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
Got it understood, So you know, even in that situation,
I'm sorry to hear about that. Also, many has a
double where it is it is, So for me, it's like,
all right, how do I make sure that you know
everything is positive and how it is to live away
from your kids and have and not able to have

(01:20:59):
that to them. Where something happens, I can get to
them real quick, because right now that's the life I live.
If I need to see them, I can see them,
even in the midst of this two and a half
year divorce. If I need to see my kids right now,
as soon as they come home from school, I'll see
them every I see them every day, you know, unless
I'm traveling. But going into a world where it's like, ah,
you can't see them for this amount of time, I

(01:21:21):
just don't know how that feels. And so that's a
new dynamic that I have to enter into and journey into.
And so everything is new. It's I think it's a
season of new beginnings. And you know that's something I'm
just trying to just be optimistic about. But I don't
know how it feels. People can tell you about it, Yeah,
it's another thing to actually experience it for yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
As you're talking, I'm thinking about right now. You know,
one of the most common things that they do in
divorce is they give the parents fifty to fifty custody,
and that's considered fair, right, But what the courts don't
really think about is the kids. That that ultimately becomes
a possession for parents. It's like, it's my time. You
can't talk to your own kid on my time. I

(01:22:03):
can't believe. I can't tell you how toxic that is.
It's just so bad that, like you just proved the point,
like if I want to wake up and talk to
my child and see my child, there should be no
one between me and my child to cut that communication.
I don't care who you are, right, So to have
that possession and think, oh, it's on my time, so

(01:22:25):
you can't talk to my kids, it comes down to
the parents, It comes down to the person. And what
you guys do together is ultimately going to affect the kids. Right,
So if you can get yourself there, Ralph to a
point where you know what, it doesn't matter what she says,
but you want to keep that door open between you two.

(01:22:48):
So if one morning she wakes up and she has
to talk to the kids, you have to be like,
I fucking hate this girl, but you gotta let her
talk to the kids and vice versa. Right, no matter
how much you piss up or she hit she hates you.
If you want to wake up that next morning, then
they're not with you. They're with your ex. You have
to have that ability to just make a phone call

(01:23:10):
or even come over and see your kids. I don't
get why it's so important to have a fifty to
fifty custody where you can't see your kid. That drives
me nuts, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:23:18):
Interesting enough, I don't have fifty to fifty right now,
so you know I have visit T shirt rights in
my own house. It's actually it is what it is.
SEE has the primary custody of the kids at this moment.
I have first, third, and fifth weekends, so on Friday
it starts to become my weekend, you know, to where

(01:23:40):
I'm with the kids. But I mentioned it's not it's
some things I can't do, of course, because how it
is is it's kind of separated. But at the same time,
you know, I can still go up there if I
need to to go and do certain things. I just
try to make sure we just respect each other's boundaries
more than anything else. And I think I love your point,

(01:24:00):
but I don't think that's going to be an issue
with us, because I think there will be an open
door of communication between the both of us in regardless.
At the end of the day, my son got my
blood running through me. She can't because he's a little
bit of a wild part. So the great thing is
they're daddy kids, you know. They They're not going to

(01:24:22):
allow themselves not to be able to get in contact
with me. They come downstairs and wake me up, or
if I'm whatever I'm doing, they run into my office.
This is something that they do on a regular basis,
and so it will it will hurt them, but they there.
I believe that that will continue. I made sure I
also bought both of them cell phones so that if
I need to speak with them, I just call them

(01:24:43):
directly unless she takes the phone away. You know, but
I can reach out to them and they can reach
out to me without any kind of problems with so
we don't have a toxic relationship to where it's like.
And then also I've wished her well just like my song. Yeah,
you know, so it's all good, all love. It's all
love on this side, you know. But I'm just focusing

(01:25:04):
on just trying to make sure that my kids, my family,
everybody is doing well and thriving. That's the goal of
why become parents in the first place.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
Yeah, yeah, that's great and that's a great attitude. Thank
you so much for Ralph.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
Great getting to know you. I knew I would like
to start saw that you have all these things you've
done in your life. You're doing what you're doing, man,
I mean, you're living your life and I really admire that.
Keep doing what you're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
I do appreciate it. Thanks for having me, guys, keep
doing what I love this platform. Let's keep it rap
you going to BRABA con No, they're not gonna write me.
I am the weakest link you know right now. But
I don't have gotten invite yet.

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
But you know, I don't know, but maybe you and
I will crash it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:52):
That would be so gory.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
We need to ed Eddie can sneakers in through the back.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
I could totally sneak into the bag.

Speaker 3 (01:26:01):
We can have like a meet and greet off to
the side or something like.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
Exactly exactly on the side.

Speaker 1 (01:26:05):
Totally all right, boys, thank you so much. We'll see
you again soon.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
See bye Ralph, Bye bye Ralph.