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Speaker 1 (00:02):
To Teas in a pod with Teddy Mellencamp and Tamra Judge.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hi, guys, welcome to another episode of the tat Seat
with myself, Teddy Mellencamp.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
And Tambra Judge, and we have a very special guest.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
One of my dearest friends. Hi, that I never thought
would happened.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
I still can't believe it when we say it, Tamra,
I still am like, yeah, I kind of really do. Digger.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
So we've got Alexis Billino with us, which we noticed.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
You didn't change your name and your Instagram yet. What's
going on.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
It's gonna be a minute. I am legally Alexis Janssen, okay,
court document wise, however I.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Talk of you have already changed your name legally.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Well, now I don't know how it all works. We're
still figuring all that out. I talk about you a
lot when people ask me this question. I'm like, you know,
when I met Tamra, she was Tama Barney and she
didn't just instantly change the tree. You're done three.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Legally, I didn't change it for three years because it's
a pain in the ass.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Well, what the kids is the other thing?
Speaker 4 (01:09):
There's no VIP line at DMV or so security office.
There's none of that. So you it's just it's just
time consuming and.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
People know me Alexis Blino. So for work, I feel like,
do I keep it? Do I change it? You turned
over and it was just fine and no piccups with that.
But yeah, right now we're just in. I did put
it on my marriage license. I am going to be
Alexis Jansen. So then it's just now it's just all
the paperwork.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Like you said, Well, then, plus, when you have kids,
it's difficult when they're in.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
School or doctors or any Yeah, it's like and they're
also like mom, but you're a blie or your kids,
and I'm like yeah, but a lot of people get
remarried and change their last time.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
I would love for you to change that. It's personal.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
Just throwing that business, it's personal.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yeah, well moving on.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Yeah, well, let's just start off with the fact that
you're married. You got married.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I am. I got the extra band. See it's little
because I actually never saw the extra band. Yeah, can
you we put the extra band? We did just a
little the same one. Custom it's turned around now, but yep,
and I'm not going to solder them because I might
want to just take the big rock off at some
point and just wear the little skinny guy.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
I love how that looks when it's beautiful skinny guy.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
And that's I'm married, Tam.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
I know. Can you believe that? Can you believe it?
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Now?
Speaker 3 (02:29):
And when I first started dating him, I said, we
can just stay engaged. We never need to get married again.
We both have our kids, we both have everything, and
then look what happens in two years.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
And what would you say is your biggest excitement from
it all?
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Like what's what's your happy spot from?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
I mean, first of all, the day was more than
I could have even like I went in knowing exactly
what I wanted it to feel like, and it was
ten times more than that. But I think there is
a definite difference with marriage. And I don't know if
you feel this or not because you've been remarried, you know,
twice around it's or three times in my case, is
it's I don't know. I didn't feel this my first
(03:08):
time around. But the minute that we said I do,
and the minute I mean, our sex was even better.
And I'm like, how is that possible? Because we all
know that that was always great with our life. And
then I'm like, there's just this feeling. I don't know.
I don't know what it is. I don't know if
you felt that, Tamra when you had that with Eddie,
but like, yeah, there's this. When we woke up the
next morning, we were like, it does feel different. It's
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before God. It's like it does there is something about it.
So thank God I turned my mind around instead of
saying no, we can stay engaged forever and then doing
I do before your family and friends and God, it
was like.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
You had a very spiritual ceremony. Yes, Now the pastor
that married you, is this a longtime friend? Is he
the pastor at your church? Like, and by the way,
it was hot.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
I'm sure his wife will agree with you.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
He was hot.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
He has he's literally forty, just turned forty. He has
four children, two adopted and two biological. And so they
have four children at forty years old, from five to
like two. I mean, they're busy and they're in the
thick of it. So the funny story about this church,
you know, I'm pastor Jens and Franklin Free Chapel is
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where I actually come from. It's Donald Trump's private pastor now,
but anyway, he's the pastor I was. Pastor Jensen Franklin
is the pastor that I my family grew up with.
I've have like I have the cell phones. We've gone
to their family events, like we grew up in that church.
But anyway, so this new pastor that we've only been
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at this church for about three or four years. James
plays on the worship team. James actually found this church.
It's a very youth driven church. It's a lot of
like when John and I go, we're kind of the
oldest people there, but there's like a lot of other
parents and everybody comes. Now It's it's growing huge. They
just bought their first building. James, when I was at
rockbottom with my mom and I was you know, I
(05:04):
told I shared this with you. I told God. I
hated him for a few months because I was so
I was so broken watching what my mom went through,
thinking there's people out there that deserve that kind of
a death. But my mom, who won't even kill a
spider and praises God and loves the world and loves people,
is going through this unbelievably horrible experience. So I did
say hey, God, and so James found this church and literally, James,
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my son is one of the saving graces, and he
just kept praying behind closed doors, like bring mom back
to you Lord, and we I mean, it is our
home church now and we've been these games for years.
Very religious, I would say spiritual. He he does have
a pastoral heart. I wouldn't want that for him because
I know pastors have a very difficult life. But he
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will find his own path. But yes, he plays on
the worship team. He goes, even Kenna, they go to
instead of going to parties. There are a Tuesday night
at church bringing all their friends and youth to Kenna
just started a church group at her public school high school.
Like they're they're very into.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Me and Kenna are now friends on Instagram.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I'm just o case.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
She didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Okay, well watch every posts. She's only seven, oh, turning eighteen.
We don't even watch every single thing.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Well.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
James led the prayer at your wedding and I saw,
I mean I got teary eyed.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
It was beautiful and he wanted to We wanted to
give each kid the where they wanted to be part
of the wedding because we didn't have a wedding party.
It was it was our children, and so the twins
wanted the cake because that they wanted the cake and
they wanted to do the cake cutting, but they also
wanted to say a toast. But when when James we
offered him you could either pray at the rehearsal dinner
or at the wedding. But the wedding's gona have one
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hundred and fifty people. Are you going to feel comfortable
with that? It's so I remember a week before the
wedding and I go, Babe, I don't want to I
don't want to be like the fly on the wall
or like the nat the bothering you. But like, you
can't just go out and wing it. You need to
write something for this wedding. And he's like, mom, I
got you. I'm like, are you sure? I'm like, and
I sent him a couple of examples of other because
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he's not done a wedding before, and he's just like
he kept like rolling it off. He's like, Mom, I
got you. It's all it's fine, I got you. And
then that prayer made everybody in the room cry. There
was not a dry.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
There was a lot of toasts that happened after that,
and I have to tell you, I don't know if
it was the champagne, but I wanted so bad. I
haven't even told you this. I so badly wanted. I
don't want to cry, get up there and talk to
you and toast to you and John, because you know
what we went through terrible times, like you know, being
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on the show together was so difficult, but now our
friendship and our bond is so solid and so strong,
and I just wanted to get up there and cheers.
Did Jesus jugs, That's what I wanted to do that
I did, you know, when I'm in a lawsuit with
your ex husband, not me, I'm not you that I'd
(08:00):
standing up there with one of my good friends ex boyfriend.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
I mean, you.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Can't even make this ship up. And I'm like, Tamra,
this is not your time. You just sit down, you
got I think I just would have said, like how
proud I am and I could see so much love
between the two of you guys, and how you know
the evolution of our friendship and where we are now
and how we are both different and in different spots
(08:27):
and in different marriages now, and how much I just
love you guys together.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
That's nice.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
My entire guestless probably would have loved you to do that.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I have to ask a guest this question because now
here we are.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
What happened with Heather Dubrow?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Well, you guys are finding out at the same time
as I am, because Watch What Happens Live? Is really
what I mean? My text exchange with her doesn't show
the answer that she gave on Watch What Happens Live.
It's a different friendship that I feel like I thought
I had with her.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
I'm what did she say on What Happens Live?
Speaker 3 (09:05):
She said, gosh, okay, well now you're really throwing me. Okay,
so I haven't seen it in what two weeks ago now,
but something to the effect of give me a second.
It was something to the effect of, you know, well,
that's a complicated question because you know, I'm friends with
with with Shannon, and you know, Terry and I aren't
really friends with Alexis and John as a couple. I'm like,
(09:28):
what the F does that mean? And it's like, okay,
you're not because my text exchange show different. We've gone
to dinner several times together. I was I was literally
my chin was on the floor. But at the same time,
I'm like, Okay, she's gonna come up with something like
there's gonna be something following up with this, And then
it was just so it was so cold. I felt
(09:49):
her disingenuine from her, from the energy I felt from
her at that moment, I saw a shift in her
and it was like I felt at that point, I go, Okay,
I am just a TV friend of hers. I was
only always collateral damage as a TV friend because you know,
also keep in mind, Tamera, as you know, she shared
information on the end of season eighteen and disclosed private
(10:12):
information that was given to Heather by myself only for
her ears, not for the entire world to hear. And
you and I both know we share things with each
other that is not meant for the rest of the world, right,
you don't have.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
To share Not sure what information she shared.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
When you guys filmed the final scene on season eighteen
behind my back, yes, and she said, he has footage
of you hitting him. The fact that like the fact
that like Heather shared that information about her hitting him
with you all, and knowing that I had given her
that as a private moment, it was I'm baffled. That's
(10:48):
the first slap in my face. The second slap came
at Watch What Happens Live? When I would think she
would be like, yeah, I love it lo because if
anyone would have asked me if I'd been in the
hot seat with Andy, and he would have said, what
do you feel about Heather? You know, why didn't she
come to your wedding? She had a family event.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
At her She told that she had to go to
her daughters.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
Why didn't she tell you she did.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
The same thing. That's what my exactly the same thing.
It was just and so why couldn't it have ended
at that? Why does she have to then say, well,
I'm friends with by the way, at fifty years old,
Why can't we all be friends together and not have
to Well, I don't.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Think anybody should dictate who they should be friends with.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Well, by the way, if you're fifty or even thirty
plus and you have to choose a lane, then you
are you are feckless. That is the word I would
like to use you lacking initiative. Feckless is the word
for her.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I'm laughing. Initiative, lacking initiative and strength of character, that
is what it means, so you.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Can't use big words on this podcast with us because.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
She knew well enough to give us the definition.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Do you guys know you know what last time I
was on this Last time I was on this podcast
with you guys not long ago, when we were going
to watch Janet Jackson, Do you remember I gave a
word and your whole the whole team was like, that's
not a word. I'm like, look it up. I grat
I had any I was going to be an English major.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
You've got it. What you have to understand that me
and Teddy barely made it through high school, like we
barely did?
Speaker 5 (12:10):
You barely make it through this part?
Speaker 4 (12:12):
We play Devil's Advocate. She's on Live TV. She's asked
she's castmates with Shannon. Do you think she said it
because she didn't want to upset Shannon?
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Yes, And that's why she's feckless, because honestly, you can
still be a friend of someone and still be a
friend of the other person. You don't have to. I
don't know what power this woman has over everybody else,
but but for anyone to dictate who I'm going to
be friends with, you would be gone. Have you gonna
talk to her about it. Heather, Yeah, I have sent
(12:46):
probably five you know, you know when you you you
press the text and you're about to sit send and
you're like, okay, a raise. No, not gonna say okay send,
No'm not gonna send it. I've done it probably five
times that I was going to send her a text,
and I still I did text her right after mm hmm.
Let me just give you guys the info.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Okay, let's just pull up exactly what you said, because
I don't want we don't want to mince words.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
No, I don't want to. I wanted to be here,
I said, Heather. I saw watch What Happens Live and confused?
Are your answer? You sounded cold and distant, like we
were never friends, and as if we had not all
four of us gone to dinner several times, et cetera.
I thought we were friends. I guess I valued our
friendship more than you did. Did the show get in
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the way of our friendship? Question? Mark? Valid? Right?
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Did you right back?
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Yeah? Right away?
Speaker 5 (13:35):
What'd she say?
Speaker 3 (13:37):
That is not what I meant at all. I'm sorry
it came off that way. Reunion was yesterday and I'm exhausted.
Let's please talk soon and discuss heart But in my mind,
I'm like, first of all, that was I get that
you're exhausted, Tam. We know we've done enough reunions. It's
you are You are drained and we don't want but
you're drained. So I get that. But at the same time,
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I'm just like, it didn't matter. The answer was just
I mean, what did you guys think hearing that answer,
knowing you know that her and I are friends and
have in the comment.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Okay, did I think the answer is great?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
No?
Speaker 4 (14:11):
I think the answer was Shannon's a castmate and I
don't want to piss her off. That's how I'm taking it.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Feckless.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I think if there's already somewhere feckless, you figure out
a way to be there.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Everybody's feckless.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
But that's kind of.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Yeah, like you and you and fuck you.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
You want to yeah, yeah, you want to be somewhere.
In my opinion, if I want to be somewhere, I
figure out a way to be there. And uh, the
fact that she didn't go and then what's just you
know you it could have been another reason. But then
on top of it to double down and say what
she said and watch what happens live. I think that's
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what really hurt you.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I'm very hurt.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
I think I think the double whammy is the problem.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Everyone knows my children come first. Everyone knows it would
not matter like I get that she and she did
have this event. She told Tamor that which date.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
It was her daughter's family it.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Was parent night, parents week. It was not complicated. I
was friends with Jen and still am and I'm friends
with you. It's not complicated. It's it's you can be
friends as a grown ass, mature woman with two different people.
Because all of Newport is divorced and seventy five percent
divorce rate, it's like you're gonna have to not choose lanes.
You've got to be able to keep the peace with
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both and love both for where they're at. I don't
understand where you know.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Why she just wouldn't say I had my daughter's event
and loved her.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
And the other answer she gave was there was another thing.
Andy asked her. It's almost like she is trying to
ice me out or just like, I don't know, I've
got to get to the bottom of this. But anyways,
she said to Andy, she goes she's a sweet girl.
She's lovely. It's like, sweet girl, lovely dude. How many
deep conversations have we had about life that we're going
through together? Like, I'm just I.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
It sounds to me like your friendship isn't a priority.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
To her, but it was to me. So that's where
That's where there's got to be another conversation.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Do you think that she truly had a core, deep
relationship with you or you think it was a TV
friendship because that came up again this season.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
With somebody else.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
If you would have asked me that two weeks ago,
a month ago, I would have said, I have a
true friendship with Heather, and I would I would have
been I'm loyal to I'm loyal to my friends. Now
I'm questioning it because of that answer, and because of
what happened, you know, like what happened last year at
season eighteen, because when she gave the information and she
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wasn't to share. I forgave her for that, because I
do feel like that, especially in this industry that we're in,
reality TV is not easy. We all know this, We've
all been there. You're friendships yes, within a cast, yes,
but there's also it's possible, Tamra, if you have a
good heart and you stand to your truth and you
have strength in your character.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
However, now I am definitely I'm I'm gobsbacked to be honest,
I'm like, WHOA like I? Because you know I was
hurt by you because you were in that scene. But
how did we work through it, Tamra, because you know what?
We were honest and you said, lex, I am filming
a reality show. This is what you know? It is
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it is. I got it. I get it. And here's
the dell. I have a very big capacity for understanding
the realm of what work we do. I get that
there is TV moments, and that's what I always called
it when everyone asks how can you be such good
friends with her? She has she crept on you, she
did this. I go, no, that was a TV moment.
It's fine. We moved past it. We talked it through,
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we cried, we yelled, we did this, we did that.
Here we are. The friendship has enough of a core
strength in it itself that it doesn't the other stuff
is kind of manouche. However, I feel that now I've
had two knockdowns with Heather, and I just feel and
I want to move past this. I don't really want
to take all this. It doesn't as much time, but
I just I'm really hurt. And I also don't think
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she realizes the weight of her words on that episode
and also the weight of her words on the watch
What Happens Live. I also don't think she considered or
even put herself in my shoes about disclosing private information
that was not hers to share with America. Was not
I told you, I told her. Guess whose mouth it
didn't come out of? You didn't tell I did not
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them to do that scene did not at all.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Let's move on to happier news. Maybe Teddy not ready
to move from okay?
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Is there anybody that anybody want to drink?
Speaker 4 (19:05):
It could be a while.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
Is there anybody that you disinvited to the wedding?
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Yes, but obviously you saw that Teddy.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
I don't know which you don't even have to say
the name. But there is somebody. And that's not a rumor.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
It's not a rumor. No I did. But but we've
we have patched things up, and she did wish me well.
It's Jen Perdronte. Obviously it's all over the tabloids. We know,
but yeah, because here's the problem. My wedding list started
at eighty. I wanted to keep it very small. It's
a very intimate venue that we had it at, as
Tamber will tell you the room. I wanted more freedom
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and more bigger space for all the tables. I didn't
want it to be, you know, crammed and they're like
sardines and all this. So my vision was one way. Well,
the list soon got up to one sixty, and the
capacity of the room is one fifty, so I might
mean people to catch the flu and like COVID and
things like fast. I'm like, I'm like, people need to
like drop off this list, like I don't know what
it is. Ok fine, your kids okay, fine, Okay, your
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kid's got the boogers, Okay.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Yeah, you're kind of ugly.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
You need to be there. So I need people to cancel.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
So if you're not on a zepic, fine.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
So I send out my save the dates and and
then you know, a month goes by and Jen and
I are talking before this, we're talking almost every day.
She's known my wedding dress scandals and all the things
that are happening with everything, And because it takes a lot.
It takes an army to make a wedding happen. And
so anyways, all of a sudden, I'm going in for
this last minute boot like not really emergency, but kind
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of emergency boob job. Didn't want to have them done again.
But by the way they look smaller girls, huh.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
They look very cute, Thank you very frank.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
I had a reconstructive job boob job done because here's why.
My left side had encapsulated, so it was like getting
hard and growing up here.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
And then she had a boob under her chin. Okay,
I did.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
I was starting to grow in or my chin. Yea,
it was going to be really bad. And the wedding dress.
So then but then also guess what happened my implant,
So I had two things on this side. So I
it was kind of emergency, but not really like I
wasn't going to die, but you know it was. It
was a big deal. Anyways, so I text her. She
doesn't text back, even after knowing that does not say
(21:12):
how to go you okay, And I'm like, this is
weird and it's been a month, so I disinvite her
because I'm like, I'm five months out from my wedding.
I'm not inviting someone to my very you know, I
need people to drop off. I'm like, I'm not inviting
her to my wedding when when like it's like she's
not even checking in after knowing that I just had
this happen. We have patched it up. By the way, Jen,
(21:34):
I'm sorry that this is all coming out now, but yeah,
we're invite somebody. I just text her and said, I'm
so sorry. But but she never really got the invitation.
She got the saved, she got to save the date.
But I just said, and you never were at right now, Jen,
we haven't spoken in a month. My wedding is five
months out. I really I don't have the space at
the moment to I mean my space in my heart,
not the space in the venue. But like I feel
(21:56):
like we have distanced, there's some distance growing between us.
So at this point, I think it's just it's just
a better if if you know, we've so it was more.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
About you guys, weren't talking like you used to. You
felt like she was pulling away.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Over in one month's time, camera and like people.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Lived like walking distance from time.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
I know, and we we talked almost every like she'd
be in carpool. I'd be like, She'd like call you
right back, okay. And then it was like we were
talking like one or two times a day, one a day,
once every three days. I don't know, but there was
a weird you know, you know, when you know you
could feel.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
A badness stop filming.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
No, no, no. We were friends the whole time she's
been filming this whole season except for that. When that
one it's a month, it started to dwindle. And then
I'm like, okay, this is a weird. It just feels weird.
I don't want to invite someone in my wedding who
I haven't spoken to and over a month, because every
single person on that wedding list I've known for over
two and a half for years. She was one of
the newer friends that I had known. So I'm like,
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you know, there are people that I still want to
have come and and you know, so it was just
it was.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Guys are in better terms now?
Speaker 3 (22:57):
We are right now?
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
We have We have texted back and forth since then.
She text me on my wedding day and just said,
I know you're going to beautiful. I said, you know what.
I know, it's last minute. It feels like you should
be here if you can. Ryan want to slap on
a wedding you know, a wedding outfit and get here.
I'll make sure there's space for you. So I reinvited
her kind of and you know, yeah, I just we're
in a good spot. She's like, I'm in San Diego
(23:19):
because my son's you know, getting his mareen some kind
of ceremony. So yeah, but we're in a decent space now.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
All right, Well that's good and that's what met life's about,
right yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Yeah, see, that's how you can forward.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
Tell you moving forward.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Did you hear from anybody that you were surprised to
hear from the day of your wedding?
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Well, like, I mean, Heather text me the day before
and the day after I think, and then Andy co
went text me the day after when the People article
came out and was like, I don't remember now, so
I'm like, you look beautiful. I'm so happy you fell
in love or whatever to move back and forth. I know.
So that was kind of out of left field. But
obviously we have a very good rule relationship because I
(24:01):
was the twelfth housewife. I know, you were number four, yes,
four of all, so think about how many hundreds of
housewives there are.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Now you were four and I was twelve. He's always
good about stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Or eleven, I'm eleven. I'm sorry, I was eleven even.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
I don't know what number I am, but I mean,
I feel like he is very protective of all his
housewives past and present. I agree, always stands up for them.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
That was very sweet. I don't know how he does that,
but anyways, Yeah, so there were there were you know,
I mean, jim my ex text me. Yeah, yeah, he
texted me what wait for? What is your.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Ex husband text you the day of your wedding the
day before? He just day before, I hope you choke
on your chicken?
Speaker 1 (24:41):
What?
Speaker 4 (24:42):
What did he say? No?
Speaker 3 (24:45):
It was actually very sweet. He goes, I'm wishing you
a blessed day or a happy day, or I hope
you have a great day something like that. Hope, but
was great day tomorrow something like that. So I think
that was it was very nice, very nice.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
I didn't get that text from Simon.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
With those texts that, I was like, Okay, oh my gosh,
you're close with Joe.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
So Joe was there right, yes, yes, have you spoken
to her about Slade trying to act like a housewife
this season?
Speaker 3 (25:17):
You know, she doesn't really talk about him a whole lot.
I think it's more of me wanting to talk about it.
She's like so over that doesn't even she's kind.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Of like married and she has moved on and it's
been like two decades decade or two yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Two decads. But I can't help myself.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
She's just kind of like, why did I ever date him? Alexis,
can you please remind me? And I'm like, I don't know.
We can say that to each other.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Let's talk about our relationship with as couples like me
and Eddie, you and John. So you know Eddie really
likes John and things did oh yeah, and he really
thinks you're just like the sweetest, kindest, never has a
bad thing to say about anyone. I mean even this
season us talking and you would say to me, no
(26:07):
matter whatever I was saying to you, like she was
so mean to me now, Tamra, Okay, let's think about
this even if it was Shannon, Let's think about this like, like,
let's talk this through. Maybe you don't need to be
mad at her, like you are a type of person
that can see both sides for sure. And Eddie has
acknowledged that and acknowledged just like the friendship, because trust me,
(26:31):
when I told him I was friends with you, he goes, not.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
Jesus Jugs.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
I know you told me yeah, And I'm like, yeah,
Jesus Jugs. And then after he's like, you know what,
she's a really good person. She's a really good person.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
But you know what's funny, Tamara, I can never fault
you or Heather that season or Vicky Vicky kind of
Vicky not. You know, I'm talking about back when we
were filming like season eight. Let's say when you and
Heather were reading and I think you were you guys
were sniffing the you know, something wasn't right. I was.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
I thought you meant. I thought you meant the booger
sugar or whatever.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
You are sniffing out that. I think you and Heather
could sniff that my marriage wasn't perfect. Well, I think
that you don't see the love that you saw with
John and I maybe wonder could have seen that. Oh
good god. Well, but I mean when John and I
walk in a room, people are like, wow, you guys
like they feel the energy of the love that we
have for each other. Right, and I think that you
(27:26):
can feel that out of couples that really you guys
idly look related. Sorry, but I said.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
It, we do. You go a little bit a little bit.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Yeah, yeah, we look related. That's not good because that's incest. Well,
you're not gonna have any kids.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
So it's okay.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
If I go down my chart and I find out
that he's a relative of mine, he's from Netherlands, I'm
from I'm from.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
God, you're not having kids.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
We're not You're not related. I'm not even let my
mind go you are horrible. I'm not letting my mind
go there.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Oh my gosh, he's your brother.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
That's okay.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Yeah, no, kids, it's good.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
You go look good. Who says it's fine is that
the Bible is her?
Speaker 4 (28:08):
She gets done the Bible.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I'm just joking anyway.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
But you guys, what I'm saying is, you guys make
a very good couple. I mean, he's handsome, you like.
You guys look like the top of a wedding cake.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Okay, well I could start that career.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
That that's me giving you a compliment in some fucking
weird way. Okay, if your brother's brother and sister and your.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Fucking camra giving you a compliment by also alienating half
of our viewership.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Yes, I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
I'm learning Tambera's compliments. They come very far in fee
between you. But when they do, you're just the top
of a wedding cake. That's her. Hey, it's it's the truth.
And and you know John feels the same about Eddie
and you. I feel the same about you, and it
is weird. I just think it's very inspirational. First of all,
(28:54):
I told everyone watch our love story of Blossom, like
just watch, just if everybody just sits back last year
when I was crying, crying every single day in filming,
well when it started air, it wasn't crying filming. I
was crying when it aired. How it wasn't really the
true story being shown. You and me both system Okay,
so we got that together. But anyways, we trauma bonded,
as we've been Yes, we trauma bonded. Awesomely known fact
(29:18):
that we trauma bonded. But anyway, I just said, Johnny,
on nights we'd cry together or even with you. I've
said this to you. It's like when when America really
sees like, they give us a couple of years, let
it unfold. Let everybody get past the fact that, you know,
the hotter, younger castmate took the boyfriend that broke up
with the other girl. So if that's really that's what
(29:39):
America thought, that's what the that's what it looked like,
and that's what it came across as. And so I thought,
once everybody really sees how genuine it is and what happened,
you can't break that love story. It's just it's a
beautiful love story. And it's the same with our friendship
camera because arch enemies become besties. How does that happen?
It's just one of those arcs and in the story
that every producer wants. But it's true.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Well, I think people grow and people change, and that's
been you know, our situation. For sure. You're out of
a marriage that didn't suit you and I'm out of
a marriage that was not great for me, and we're
different places in our life.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
And we both have good hearts. And that's what even
though reality different, but I know, well that's what I'm
going to say. Even though Reality TV doesn't always like
to show that.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
No.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
So you know, with reality TV, they're going to show
your strongest, you know, personality, and mine just happens to
be fuck you, fuck you, fuck your fuck you my opinion,
that's my strong that's that's me. And and I mean
it's worked long as running housewife. Not proud of it
about the.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Not proud of.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
It, but you know, it's that's what they show. Do
they show other sides of me?
Speaker 1 (30:57):
No?
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Do they show me checking in on my friends and all,
you know, and being a good mom and no, But
you know, I I've accepted it. I took that villain
role seventeen years ago.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Yeah. Man, they just planted that hat on you. And
guess what role I took the dits even though I'm
coming in with words, y'all don't know, I'm I'm a
good one no longer.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
I think they made a huge mistake not bringing you back.
Huge mistake. I think that it was the Shannon of
it all. If you came back in different circumstances, you
would steal be on the show.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
If I would have came back where we were originally
talking and John Jansen was not in my vocabulary, I
didn't even know. I mean, he kind of knew who
I was, but I literally did not even know. I
had to go do a lot of research after that
night of Quite Woman because I was feeling the butterflies
and the weird things and I'm like, oh, guys, just no,
I'm not gonna no no. But anyway, so then I
(32:07):
learned a lot and I maybe had seen one episode
because I wasn't even watching back then. At that point,
my mom was dying, so the only thing I was
doing with flying to call her out or to keep
my mom off her deathbed. But so it's just it's
so bizarre. But if I would have come back like that,
you know, the newly single Alexis, or even if I
would have just gotten a little bit better of not
(32:29):
such a skewed storyline, I think America could have liked
me and would have liked me. But it all works
out for a reason, and I feel that now I'm
exactly where I'm supposed to be, and it was all
exactly where it was supposed to happen. Like what happened
is God's timing, even though it doesn't make sense at
the moment, that was God's timing.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Yeah, Well, what I would say is, what would you
say to the people out there that doubt your relationship John,
even though you guys are now married, Like I posted pictures,
I got some hateful dms and I don't I mean,
I actually spend the time and said, you don't know
who she is?
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Oh that's you.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
Know, And normally that thing I would just be black bitch,
But no, I like took the time like and people
would say back to me, you know what, You're right,
You're absolutely right. So, like, does that stuff affect you anymore?
The people that are coming at you saying negative things
about your relationship with John.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
You know.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
I mean, I would be lying if I said no,
it never affects me. But what I will say is
that I think going through watching rewatching Season eighteen unfold
the way it did from reality TV perspective and not
the reality of what the story really was. I think
that I was knocked down so low and I was
(33:54):
already solow you knew this and me coming back It took.
It took how many phone calls, exhausting phone calls on
me and you and hell saying nope, I'm not going
and you're like you guys were like begging me and
like all the exhausting phone calls.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
Well, Heather rallied for you to come back to the show.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Oh, she was my number one reason why its me
on we spent.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
Let me just tell you why this bitch got fired.
And instead of rallying for this bitch come back, she
was saying, I want Alexis back, I want a Lexus back,
I want I'm.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Hey, what about me?
Speaker 4 (34:24):
Hello? You can have two friends, yeah, alexis a better friend.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Yeah. But so anyways, being knocked down so hard on
season eighteen, and I didn't I kept asking God why
And I was still kind of saying, God, I hate you, God,
what are you doing this to be for? Why are
you breaking me even further down? And here's the truth.
And here's why God is so amazing is the entire
time I'd be on my knees doing that and I'd say,
I hate you. I hate you God. There's a word
(34:51):
for it begins with an L. And I'm now I'm
losing my dictionary brain. But there's a word that smart
in the not so smart. After all, in the biblical world,
there is this L word and it is about how
God gives you the ability, like he allows the space
for you to have this hate for him at the
moment because you don't understand the entire story and so
and then all the while I'm on my knees just
(35:13):
like God, why, why me? Why? And he was always there.
I heard his voice as clear as day, and he'd say, Lexi,
I got you, Lexi. I'm here, Lexi. You're gonna get
you one something better for you. He's like, and so
here we are. I think at the end of the day,
breaking me down that Lobe being the most hated person
in America for Bravo World and a lot of America
(35:35):
for you know, six months of my life to where
I have to like basically hibernate and get in death
threats and you know all the things my kids had
to go through and.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Seeing your comments on insight shut off.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
For six months, I mean it was it was really
not something I should have ever had to experience. But anyways,
coming full circle with that whole story, I feel like
God did it because he was like, I'm building you
up to be stronger and to show people that you
can make it through and whether that's storm and also
that maybe everything you see isn't what you think it is,
(36:08):
you know, because now look at how.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
And I'm getting you off this fucking show.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
Yeah, and now you're happy.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Yeah. And I mean if that's what I love is
when people see john and I out at a restaurant
or just anything, they come up they're just like, wow,
we see it, we get it, and that's.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
All that's all that you have, like a.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
And it's not it's not fake. And we didn't do
it for TV. We didn't do it for what everybody
thought we did because guess you, I mean all of
you can imagine we would have. I would have I
would have wanted to end it this, I.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
Could all this, Hey could have destroyed your relationship with him, Yes,
very easily. Let's talk about what the wedding.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Like.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Let the listeners hear about like getting near the.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
Hats, the hats what like?
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Was that?
Speaker 5 (37:04):
Kimo Sabi? I was like, what the heck is going
on here?
Speaker 3 (37:07):
So when I was planning this wedding with Johnny, I said, Babe,
I go, you might not like my ideas we you know,
and he had. His idea was the circle of love,
the round, you know. Because we were talking, I said,
what about a U shape? I don't want to do
just just people in rows? During the ceremony, during the
ceremony part of it, and he goes, well, what about
a circle of love? And I said, I don't even
know if that's possible. So I call my wedding planner.
(37:28):
I'm like, is that do you think? What would this
look like? How could we do it? So we started
doing all these mock ups and these ideas and I'm
just like, we're going with it or do it. She's like,
I've never heard of it, never done it. Let's go
with it. So we did it because we thought we're
not having a wedding party. We don't want I didn't
want to walk down the aisle. The only reason I
walked down the aisle was because my children and John's
children were like, no, you have to walk to my dad.
You have to walk to John, like you have to
(37:49):
you have to walk to to see golf cart.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
It half the way that Druss was out, I was
in the grass, so that the setting was we're in
like the woods, but you're it's yeah, and it's all
with huge like I want to say, oak trees and
then there's circle around you guys, right, and they get
to oak tree.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Can you guys can see it on my Instagram you
can see the I mean, I'm and I'm telling you
it was. It was breathtaking. And the reason we married
there because we were looking at destination weddings. We were
looking at a ton of venues. I walked in there.
My mom is from Colorado, so she's a mountain girl.
She's always loved the mountains. I'm a water girl. I
want to live on the ocean. We walked into that
venue and I'm literally it's probably the fifth place John
(38:31):
and I had looked at. And I walked in and
I was holding his hand and I stopped and I
like dropped his hand and He's like, what babe, And
I go, I feel my mom here, my mom. This
is where I feel my mom. This is where we're
getting married. He goes, done, where what they do you have?
They had no Saturdays for two and a half years.
There's not one Saturday you could get married on. And
in the months that we wanted to think you could
pick some of the off months. But so I'm like,
(38:53):
well that we have to get married on a Friday
or Sunday. And John's like, get married on a Friday whatever,
And so she, you know, we that day we didn't
even have I didn't have a wedding planner in mind.
I didn't have any other thing. I just said, my
mom is here, John, we are doing it here, and
he's like a million percent.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
This is it.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
And so then yeah, then you have to have golf
cards because it is a golf course, and you do
have to they close down the golf court. I mean
it's a wedding estate also. But yeah, it's unbelievably magical,
Like the whole thing was magical.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Your dress absolutely beautiful.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Wighs more than me, It weighed more than me.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
Yeah, it was all crystal and it was like a
champagne color.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Would you call it. It's champagne and then champagne and
tope and then all they're just all the jewels. And
so that was another thing.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
I just was a long ceremony, it was, and it
was a very long like normally you go and do
the ceremony and twenty thirty it was.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
It was thirty to forty.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Yeah, it was probably forty minutes. But it was beautiful,
it was fun, it was entertaining.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
We didn't really want it to be that long, by
the way.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
No, I thought, I don't thought I don't know that.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
I don't know that people.
Speaker 5 (39:58):
Loved when you say each other ceremony.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
We're like, Okay, this is getting a little annoying because I.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Were the alling asleep or anything. I'm saying like it
was like fun, like your kids were involved and you
had different like it was like a it was like
a Broadway play.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Yeah, it was kind of like we well, we definitely
wanted to both say vows to our children, like I
wanted to say it to his kids. He wanted to
say it to my kids, because we're not just marrying
each other, we're marrying each other's children. All six we're
all six glue now, and so that was part of it.
Not took what three minutes each speech and then or
or whatever vows to each other. And then John and
I's vows were three and a half. We were we
(40:34):
were like, did you practice your vowels? And like, yeah,
I cried every time. He's like, I've done it five,
I've cried every time. I'm like I've cried every time.
I'm like, I'm gonna have to say hemorrhoid every time.
I'm hemorrhoid, hemorrhoid eyd because it's like.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
Dick and balls, dick and balls, dick and balls. Anytime
I changed in mind, anytime.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
He started to get tear out'd be like okay. And
then because I just didn't want to ruin my two
hours of makeup. But so anyways, so that took time.
And then our pastor is not long. Is long winded
because he knows us and loves us and obviously knows
a lot of the story behind it. So he end
up being a very long ceremony. Nobody knows this, Okay,
(41:09):
you don't even yes, you know, no, you don't, okay.
A week a week before my ceremony, the singer I
had one song I was gonna walk down to Alex
Warren's Ordinary Okay, it's so ordinary because it's now on
every top pop station anyway. So I'm like, okay, no,
I'm not doing that anymore because I don't want it
to be ordinary. So I was I was like, I
need God to be walking me down the aisle. So
(41:30):
I was like going through all the songs my mom loved,
was going through all the all these things, and then
all of a sudden, Oceans popped up one day when
I was driving and it's on my list, my playlist
and I'm like, that's what I want. So I send
it to my MC guy and the guy that's running
the production of the whole show, of the whole wedding.
I send it to my wedding planner. I send it
to Johnny and Johnny goes because it's the string cord
tet version right, And Johnny goes, too boring, can't do that.
(41:54):
It's got to have the words. He goes, the string
cord tet version of the song is not it's not
powerful enough, and I go, Okay. Then I'm getting a
singer called my pastor and text my pastor both pastors,
and I said, who can sing this from the church?
Who can sing this and nail it? And I go
it needs to be impacted, it needs to be nailed,
And they're like, Joey can do it. I'm like perfect.
(42:16):
So in a week's time, he practiced with the string quartet,
nailed it, nailed it, and I was fighting back tears,
but I felt the Holy Spirit come in during that song.
Was exactly what we wanted. And then I said, I
took it even a step further and I said, when
I get to John, I don't want to just go
right into the ceremony. I want to sit there and
really just talk to the Lord and just you know,
bring his presence full lee into the circle. And so
(42:38):
that's what we did, and it was beautiful. We had
chills and tears and all the good feels.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
Alexis, what about you did a rose ceremony for your parents?
Can you tell us a little.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
Bit about that? So yeah, that was another touch, which
is why the ceremony went forty minutes. But we wanted
to I've I'm an orphan. I've lost both parents and
I lost my stepdad. So I've lost my dad and
she thousand and eight, my stepdad in twenty twelve, and
my mom in twenty twenty four, so or twenty twenty three.
So it's like, I you know, a lot of loss.
(43:08):
And then John lost his father figure whose name was Bill.
He lost him when he was twelve. That's who basically
John felt like raised him. So we decided to put
candles that were you can't have burning candles, so we
had the light up candles there and then they were
in that beautiful little caraft kind of thing, and so
we decided to stick roses in there just to honor them.
To another worship song just to bring ud. So yeah,
(43:29):
that was our way. Do you know what it took
for how many times I had to say hemorrhoid for that?
Speaker 4 (43:34):
How many times? And by the way, do you have hemorrhoids?
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Is that why I have a hemorrhid? But it just
it's funny to like talk about it.
Speaker 5 (43:40):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
It's funny because it's like, who that's the ugliest word
ever you've ever heard? And it's like makes you laugh,
right see look at your face. Yeah, it makes you laugh.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
So it's like it makes you laugh or it makes
you itch.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
What's gonna make me not have a tear? And that
was the word that just comes to mind.
Speaker 5 (43:57):
Oh, we love it.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
And then we went up to the reces option. Yeah,
and then let's talk about the hat. Okay, so this
is the other thing that I wanted. I told you, well,
on top of all the entertainment that you were there
for the violinists.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
Violinists, you had a rap song we did.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
That was a surprise. That was that was that was
He's He's just incredible. But then the hats were something
where we were like we want them to really take
like a true like something home so the Rancher Hat Bar,
they do customize hats, which is funny because you guys
just filmed us on this episode. Emily was is.
Speaker 5 (44:31):
That the same place?
Speaker 3 (44:32):
No, But it was honest.
Speaker 4 (44:34):
It was honestly like, I'm like, by the way, I
gave the name of that and I was supposed to
film there.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
Oh well that's honey, Yeah, just throwing that out there.
Do you know how many times that happens with the crew.
But anyway, we we The Rancher Hat Bar customized my
bachelorette hat too, and so when we were there, I
was just like, Johnny, this is what I mean. Each
hat's like one hundred and eighty bucks and you get
to put whatever jewels. Line never stopped because we had
(44:59):
a d People try to get a custom hat and.
Speaker 4 (45:01):
It takes time. You know, you got to do the band.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
You gotta do the brand to kick out whatever you
then you didn't have to do the branding. But we
thought it was called to have the aj A because
then it's like it's from our wedding. It's just a moment.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
Yeah, I had brandan on the back of my mom
I thought everybody would do the inside. I did the
back it's a t heart e on the back.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
I love that, love that.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
But it was absolutely studying and beautiful. Are you guys
going on a honeymoon.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
No, we did a pre honeymoon. We will do a honeymoon,
probably early summer because now we have tons of family
birth like seven family birthdays, Thanksgiving and Christmas all in
the next two month.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
What about houses?
Speaker 3 (45:38):
We both have your own houses, we do, and you
know what we're gonna do. We're going to keep them all.
I had mine on the market, might put it back
on I don't know after the holiday. I don't know.
We're just we're going to keep both. And instead of
going you know, we could have a house in Palm
Desert and here. Instead we just happened to have houses
in two towns only twenty minutes away from me.
Speaker 4 (45:55):
So you guys spend the majority of your time at
your house because and then he's got one on the water. Yes, yeah, yeah,
his is the vacation home.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
It's going to keep boat is We're going to keep both.
Yeah for now. We don't know what the future looks like,
but we've we've loved it the last two years, so
we're not really in a hurry. To change anything in
My twins are still in high school. So we're at
my house down south.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
To day where you're at right now, and tell the
kids are out of the school, out of school.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
And then they're all going to be flitting off to college.
And but now Miles is like, Mom, I'm staying with
you for four more years. I'm like, okay, Well.
Speaker 4 (46:26):
That's my Sophia, that is my Sofia.
Speaker 5 (46:31):
Well, we really appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
We love hearing your love story and also all the
funny tidbits herit.
Speaker 4 (46:40):
But I'm going to use that now.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
It's so great.
Speaker 5 (46:42):
Where do people find you if they want to chat
with you? Get more information?
Speaker 3 (46:48):
I mean basically just Alexis Billino, which I don't know,
stay tuned. I don't know what my Instagram is going
to look like. Basically, you want to find me, you'll
find me.
Speaker 4 (46:58):
Just become like Madonna.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Says, there's a lot of Alexises out there, though that
might be taken.
Speaker 4 (47:04):
Yeah, Alexis.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Oh my gosh, Well, thanks guys for Alexis Alexis.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
Well, thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
Alexis. I love you so much, love you