October 13, 2025 • 29 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
To teas in a pod which Teddy Mellencamp and camera judge.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hi, guys, welcome to another episode of The twat Seat.
Today we have on Macy Nealy. She burst into the
center of pop culture when Hulu's The Secret Lives of
Some Mormon Wives took the world wide storm. She has
a memoir out now. It's called Told You So. It's
in bookstores now, so you can get it because what
(00:36):
we're seeing on Hulu is barely scratching the service. By
the way, Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is streaming.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
On Hulu and season three is about to come out, right,
don't they come out pretty soon? So I remember when
we interviewed them earlier in the year and it was
season two, they were already filming season three. Like now,
they turn it around really quick. It's a quick turns
for sure. Now this port she has gone through so
much in her.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Young life, I know, and we're about to.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Hear all about it, enough to write a book.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Enough to write a book. But Secret Lives of Mormon
Wives starts airing November thirteenth, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Right around the corner.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Are we going to recap it again?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, we've got to so good.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Hello, Hi, how are you guys.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Hi?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
See, it's been a while since we talked to you.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
It's been a minute, but it feels like yesterday at
the same time.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yeah, the congratulations on your new book, thank you, I'm
so excited.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
And congratulations on your baby.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Thank you. I know, I had my husband take her
out today because I'm like, she's a little too crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
We gottata when.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
We saw you last year.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Pregnant.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yes, she's two months, so she's little. She's little, but
like I thought, she's such a big girl.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Now, remind me, didn't you tell me when I met
you last that your mom lives in Kodo?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yes, gott to hook us.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I know, I like I lived there my whole my
whole life, Like I grew up there, Like I think
we lived there when I was seven and then my
parents are still there.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Oh my right.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, it's like so crazy. So I was actually just
there for.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Like would she be good for housewives?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
It's hard to say, because I feel like my mom,
I think it looks in the beginning she'd probably be
a little stiff on camera, just because I don't know.
I think the perception would maybe scare her, like not
looking at like looking a certain way on TV. But
I think like after a while she'd be good. She'd
probably feel like me where she's kind of like more
chill like probably not like directly in drama, but like
I thought she'd be pretty good though.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I don't know she'd be a good narrator.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yeah, she'd like the narrator for sure. My mom like
loves telling stories that Letty can tell you a story
about any topics. I feel like she would be a
good narrator.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Put her together with my husband, they would just talk
for hours.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
No, it's true.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
They're casting now, so she's interested in let me know.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Oh my gosh, I'll tell her because at first I
brought her, brought it up to her after we did
the podcast, He's like, yeah, i'd be interested, But I'm like,
we'll see, I'll see. I should have her at least
try out and think it'd be funny.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Well, I'll send you my phone number and she can
give me a call.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah, no, yeah, send it to me. I'll tell her
to at least adition for it, so it could be fun.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Plus, i'd love to meet her. I wonder if we
have any mutual friends. I have so many friends that
live in Codo.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Well, yeah, probably used to, like in code, like, I
don't know if you go to the country club at all,
but I used to.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I used to live there.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, so it's like perfect.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
What's your mom's name, Cindy Sindy Sunday. Yes, okay, before
we get into I know.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
And of course we're going to talk about your book,
because I mean it's heartbreaking but also incredible you gone through.
Let's talk a little bit about Dancing with the Stars.
Do sing Whitney and Jin make you want to go
on next season?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
You guys, I would embarrass myself, so I feel like, no,
like I feel like watching them even more so made
me not really want to do it, just because I'm like,
they're so good that I think I'd go on and
I'd feel like embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
So that's how I feel like I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I feel like if I got the opportunity, I wouldn't
be like absolutely not, like I would definitely consider and
try it, but I would be like so anxious and
like so scared because I'm not a dancer, Like I'm
not good at that at all.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Now, you were there at Dance with the Stars for
opening night, I went there to support a friend last season.
Were you shocked when you saw how small?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I was like, wait, Like I thought, like when you
see it on TV, it looks so much bigger, and
like you get there and you're like, wait, it's like small,
and like the songs were shorter than I thought, so
I was like, at least there's that, like they don't
have to like a full three minute thing.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
It's like one minute, right, one minute. Yeah, And you
probably sat right in the front by those things that
explode confetti out they let their ear drums out, yes, And.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
He kept telling the guy I would tell us, He's like, hey,
this is going to go off. Yeah, but I always
forget every time go off, And I was like yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
And then they're just the stuff that goes on in
between people dancing, Like it's like sets come and people
are flying from the ceiling and it's it's.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Just fun to watch. Like when I went in person,
I was like, wait, I love this, Like this is
so fun. So I don't know. I I thought it
was a great time. I feel like it made me
more nervous for them, Like I felt so anxious before
they started. I was like, oh my gosh, like, I
feel like I was living it with them, but I
could you imagine being I voted for both of them.
(05:23):
You guys know, I love the Riders, so I think
I can't like take a side. I mean, I love
both of them like me and when you have had
our differences, but we're like, I feel like we're in
a good place and I love Greens. I like, I
don't think I could ever choose like one or the
other because they're also both so good. So it's like, okay,
I'm going five to five. We're going split.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
And some people are saying it's unfair that Whitney is
doing it because she has such a strong background and dancing.
What are your thoughts on that.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I mean, I wouldn't say it's unfair because I don't
think she was like a professional dancer, but she did.
Like I guess she does have a good advantage because
she did dance for her major. Like, I get that,
and I think it's also a reasony I don't think
I want to go on because I like a lot
of people that go on the show have a dance experience.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yes, I have here, So.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
I feel like they can't like single Witney out because
I know was it Glob's partner? I wrote where her
name is Lah? I heard that she was a professional
ballroom dancer but then got hurt. But I'm like, that's
still That'd be like me going and playing tennis and
people have never played before. I'd kick their butts, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
But don't you feel I agree with that, But don't
you feel there's like a level of popularity that goes
into who wins too.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
I think it's fifty percent dance or actually it's like
forty percent dance maybe and then sixty percent popular people. Honestly,
it could be more because I know that she was
in the bottom three, right, but she's like really good,
So it's like.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
She's good, but she's not very well liked.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah, that's the problem.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yes, that's why I'm like, I'd be kicked off so quick.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Oh my god, you have all your Orange County voters
coming through, all the house by.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Voter, Yeah, especially my cast.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Would I'd be like if one showed up.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Just how they did, they wouldn't come support.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
You never know. I don't think it would be like
a podcast support. I would. Yeah, you guys did. Yeah,
I can't believe that you guys start airing already, like
November thirteenth.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
I know, for season three. I feel like it just
it's just like flown by. I don't know, Like I
think I was just with you guys in the studio.
So I'm like, I just and it's like already new
seasons coming out. It's bizarre.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Well, you guys are a huge hit, and I've never
seen a reality show like this just take off. Now
you have some of the girls and dance and the stars,
you have Taylor being the new bachelorette.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
How do you think to.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Coze, Oh, Like, he's definitely not happy about it, that's
for sure. I mean, I think he's probably gotten over
it now. But I don't think he knew for sure
when it was announced that she was a bachelorette, Like
I know, like there was rumblings and like the girls knew,
but I don't think he knew for sure until it
came out on call her Daddy. Oh, I was.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Really happy that I can get back together for the
especially for the.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Same No, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I don't on here, No, I don't. I don't. Maybe
I don't know everything he's done to her. Maybe that's
what it is.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I mean in regardless of him, Like I've had my differences,
like I obviously like haven't liked him, but in general
too like them two together, regardless of what he's done,
it's just toxic. Even like he did change and he
was the best ever, it's still never gonna work between
the two of them. It's just them together is horrible,
bad news.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Like, yeah, we would see him on the show and
he would cry, and his confessionals and things like that.
So I think I just had a little bit of
a soft spot for him, like oh, changing.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Can do that.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
They can. And it's funny because I even feel that
sometimes with him, where like I like will have strongly
like I'll strongly dislike him, but then like in person,
sometimes I'm like, ah, like he is like a likable person,
like he he has a good side to him. He's
not like I would say he's like a bad person,
Like there's times where I felt that way, But I
don't think he's a bad person to his core. He
just makes bad decisions, good dad, I think. So, I mean,
(09:06):
I don't know. I think in the past they questioned it,
but like I think he tries his best. No, I
don't know, Like I have no idea. I don't I've
never really seen him interact as a dad, like I
think whenever they film like Ever hasn't been around, Like
I haven't seen him with ever, you know, So I
wouldn't know, but I assume he is, like Jordan said,
he's a great dad.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
I don't know, I think. So we were left on
a big cliffhanger last season between Jesse and Marciano. Oh yeah,
are we going to get into that a little bit?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
You're going to get into that a lot, And this
next season, I feel I feel like we're going to
see a lot like I think people are going to
be surprised with what they see. And then also I
just feel because I actually got to see this season
ahead of time. Usually we never get to see it,
but we did get to see it this time, and
I will say it's probably my favorite season so far.
And I know we probably say that every year, but
(09:57):
I do feel like this time too. They kept like
the fun little moments in there that are usually cut
out for drama, Like I thought, they kept some of
the bloopers and some of the funny moments that usually
don't make the edit. So I did like that because
it kind of shows a personality and it shows kind
of like how we are. Because I feel like after
last season, we got a lot of comments like there's
like they're mean girls and blah bla blah. I'm like, well,
you guys, miss like the fun moments and the moments
(10:19):
that we're just like laughing and like screwing around and
like that gets cut a lot. So I feel like
they did leave a good amount of those this season.
So I felt like it was like funny, Like I
had moments that I was like dying laughing in it,
and like I feel like normally I don't.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
So I don't know how do you deal with you
talking about mean comments and stuff like that, and how
do you deal with that on social media?
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Has it been easy for you or hard?
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I mean it's easy for me so far. I don't
feel like I get a lot of hate compared to
some many other girls. But I also like I feel
like it's because I am not very controversial, like I'm
just kind of doing my own thing. I feel like
I'm very neutral and it's not because I'm like playing
a role. That's just kind of how I am in life.
Like I just like I'm a neutral person. I can
see both sides of the equation, and I I don't know,
and I'm very like empathetic towards people, and like I
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can put myself on anyone's shoes, and I feel like
so for me, I don't get a ton of hate.
But I also say, like we definitely get grouped in
as a whole sometimes like these are all mean girls
or this and that, and like, well, you don't know,
you're seeing like twenty percent of like what we film,
you know, because we film so much.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
And they all see how people don't understand that.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
No they don't. And I'm like, you're seeing just like
certain moments of our lives, Like you're seeing probably the
lowest moments and sometimes the highest, and you're not seeing
like the in between. So it doesn't really affect me,
though I know it affects other people. But I will
say I don't get as much hate as other girls,
so I can't really You're lucky, you know, speak to it.
I do you take skin though, Like I feel like
I'm used to being judged and things like that, Like
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my whole life growing up being Mormon and having other
Mormons who that I wasn't like Mormon enough you know,
say comments, and so I feel like I'm used to it,
so I don't really care. I'm like, you don't know me,
so you can't really judge me, you know, and you're
not perfect, so you can't judge you know what they do?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
No remind me is mean?
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Is she on this new season coming up?
Speaker 1 (12:04):
She is, but not like the whole time, like some
pieces I can't even remember exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Are you more team Jesse or to me team.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Jesse, But like I wouldn't say like I'm on a team,
but I'm closer with Jesse. And I feel like what
has happened, which you'll see more of this season, like
like I wasn't like I want to take this side,
but just kind of naturally happened based on like what
was happening and stuff, and like also because what we
were hearing wasn't The qualities are characteristics of someone that
I want to be close friends with. I have no
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personal issues with me, I have no beef, Like we
have a fine relationship. But like just from observing certain things,
I'm like, okay, like still love her as a person
as a friend, but yeah, I'm not going to be
like buddy buddy based on what I've seen, you know,
unless of things drastically change and we decide I don't
know whatever. I never say never because I am someone
who will forgive anything, and again, she hasn't anything to me,
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so I have nothing to forgive. But just taking a
mental note, I guess, yeah, it's a complicated situation. I feel
like I don't even know exactly how I feel about
it because I do genuinely like like her and as
a person, and we've had like so many good memories together,
so it's hard to say.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
You had an incredible, like moving storyline last season, which
I think is what led to your book. Can you
tell us a little bit more about how you started
writing it? Yeah, the stories behind it, what our viewers
would be tuning into.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah, no, for sure. So, like I always tell people,
I feel the story's been writing itself for the last
ten years because I had a blog that I kind
of wrote and that's how I started social media and
kind of talking about my life story. And then I
also wrote in a diary for like all my trauma
stuff that I went through, Like I wrote it all down,
and then I've written like bits and pieces over the
last ten years, but never like put it in a book,
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and then I got like the opportunity I got a
book deal because my manager knew it was like one
of my life goals and stuff, and so she got
me with an agent and I got a book deal
pretty quickly after season one, and so I was like, hey,
this is the time, and so like I kind of
pieced everything together that I had already written. Then she
like added new stories and a lot more details, and
so it was definitely a really hard process. But like luckily,
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like I had kind of documented like everything else kind
of going on, so that it wasn't so I'm sure,
oh one hundred percent, because over time too, like you
can forget things like and I had notes that I
wrote for therapy and things like that that I had saved.
So I had like so much information that made it
a lot easier for the writing process, Like I like
still wasn't easy. And then I also added stories and
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that were fun and like lighthearted and like silly and
stuff that people wouldn't know about me or that like
they wouldn't see in the show. Like there is so
much more in this book than like the three minutes
that you saw on the show for seasons.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah, can you give us a little bit more of
a and just like the backstory of what you showed
on the show, and then.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Yeah, yeah, so I will say for the show too.
For like that storyline, I filmed a lot of that,
some of it season one, but then it was all
cut out of season one, right, So then we kind
of picked it back up for season two because I
still was going through this process of like I've never
been to the crash site or my baby daddy died,
and so like that was something that like we wanted
to revisit because like I had my book deal, so like, okay,
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this is probably great to kind of open that chapter
starting to write, and like I need to kind of
heal to write for this book. So that was kind
of like the idea behind it. It was very difficult
to do it because it's kind of like something that
you always know you needed to do. We just didn't
want to do it because he knew it was going
to be hard. Like that's how it was to the
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crash site, Like I knew I need to do it,
I just kept like pushing it off. So I feel
like even doing it, I didn't do it for the show.
I did it for myself, but I feel like they
gave me an extra push to do that, and I
was very grateful that I did, because it healed part
of me inside to an extent. But there is so
much more to that story of like what I dealt with,
like with grief, and you know, like a backside of
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like meeting Hudson's dad and like him passing away, and
how I was like kind of suicidal during my pregnancy,
and like how my mom helped pick up those pieces,
and how I went back to byu, you know, even
though I had a kid, and like what it was
like doing that, especially in like a religious culture. So
I talk a lot about that. And then a big
piece that you don't see on the show too, is
I talk about my relationship before I met my son's
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father and like the abuse that I went through, and
we did film a little bit of that for the
show that also got cut, so you get to see
like what I went through before I met Hudson's dad,
And I feel like it all kind of like my
story kind of all makes sense once the pieces are
put together, and I feel like it even makes more
sense as to why I'm so neutral in the show
or thanks writers, because you see how much I've been
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through and how I hate, like I hate having beef
with people. I always like to leave things on a
good note because I know how how fragile life is
and how quickly, like someone that I love was taken
from me, and I would never want to experience that again,
and if I did, I wouldn't want to have regrets.
And I did have regrets, like when my son's father
passed away, because of like certain things that I said.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
You know, why do you think they cut it from
the first season? Do you think it was just too deep.
They wanted to get the viewers to get to know
you a little bit better before they learned all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Yes, I do. I feel like a lot of storylines
were cut unless they were Taylor, And I said that because,
like she is obviously like kind of the star, the
focal point of the show, and so I feel like
they wanted to follow like the current life drama instead
of like things that maybe we've got into paths that
still affect us now. And I do feel like they
dived into that a little bit more season two. But
even then, I did film like five scenes for my storyline,
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and they were all pretty much cut down to those
two that you see of me talking to the mom,
you know, Eric's mom, which is my son's father, his mom,
and then they shows me like going to the crash site.
But I did film like multiple other scenes that were
all cut. I don't know why. I have no idea.
Part of me is fine that they were, because you're
gonna get all that in the book, right, You're gonna
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get so much more detail and things that you didn't
even what you would have seen is nowhere near what
isn't the book, you know, So I'm glad to get
the whole thing cut.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Did the mom talk girls support your journey in writing
this book.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Oh yeah, for sure. I think like I'm someone who
kind of goes through things on my own and behind
the scenes, I don't like to I don't say like
burden people. That's like what I'm going through is like
they obviously were very supportive, but I feel like when
I was struggling here and there, I didn't tell anyone,
like writing it and stuff like. I mean, I think
michaela certain days I'm like, oh yeah, I'm like a
little depressed, you know, writing this book. And like then
also cookies would show overt my door because she's like
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the most like supportive person, Like she's like truly like
the best I love her so much, Like she's just
so supportive of like everything, and that's kind of how
we are together. So like she's alwaysly been very helpful
on my journey because she's probably the only person I
would be like, oh, yeah, I'm like kind of sad
today because like sometimes it's hard to be like vulnerable
and that's sense and tell a friend, you know, like hey, yeah,
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I'm like kind of hurting her right now. And I
think me and her, as we've gotten even closer over
the years, have gotten better at that together. Like she'll
be like yeah, this and that, or like postpartum I
try to check in a lot with her too.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Yeah, you guys were pregnant at the same time, right,
and you gave birth around at the same time.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
How many weeks or stays apart? Yeah. Yeah, her baby
is six days older than mine, so they're like destined
to be better best friends. Yeah, her baby's name is
Lottie and my baby's name is Charlie, So I guess
they're both nicknames for Charlotte. And we didn't even know that,
like the internet started going crazy. I think both need
their baby Charlotte, and I was like what we did? Like,
(19:38):
I was like so confused. So I didn't even know
that until we you know, heard it online. So now
we kind of play into it. And we both named
our baby Charlotte, and we thought of the name like
we'll like joke around. But yeah, we both did even
know that it was a nickname for Charlotte until yeah,
I guess.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
So, So, how is the show changed your life?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Oh my gosh, It's it's funny because I feel like
it's still the same as far as like I still
feel like me, like nothing feels different to me, but
like obviously financial financially, it's been more beneficial, Like you know,
like this book deal I think would have happened no
matter what, but I think it got it like in
the door of like the best people because the show
and like my story, I had more awareness, right, So
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that for sure. And then I think, just like, yeah,
I know it's crazy that like people like know who
we are. I guess that's like the one that's really
different is like going out places and people wanting pictures,
and I mean that would happen a little bit beforehand
because we were doing like the influencer thing and we
all had like followers and stuff like that. But like
obviously it's like way more heightened now. Yeah, so like
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that's cool, but like sometimes it's hard because I like
I love to just like you know, well to get
in my sweats and looking like a little homeless, you know,
and sometimes now like.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
You're speaking mind Teddy's language. Yeah, like and I love that,
and I feel homeless right now, no exactly, Like I
have to look at I do to do a photo
shoot off this.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
That's why I'm like so glammed up. But yeah, so
that's the only thing. It's a little bit different that
it's not like you don't like it, but like I do.
Sometimes I feel like you get watched a little bit,
and so like sometimes that's hard. Like you know, going
to a dinner and you can see people like watching
me and you're like okay, like you're taking your picture
and your pictures that like they're recording you without like
saying hi, and I'm like, wait, like I don't like that,
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Like that's the only thing I don't love or like
when I'm with my family and stuff, and then I'm
like if my kids are going faral and they're like
taking videos and like, well, what are you doing with them?
Like that's like kind of right it? Yeah, Well I
was like I just more sorry about the intention behind it,
or like are you doing that to talk shit on me?
Are you like or you just like are you excited
get to a blogger? Yeah, that's the only thing I
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worry about. I'm like, if you have good intentions, no problem,
no issue, Come ask me for a picture. Sure. But
like I think when people are secretive about it, like
we know, like when you're filming and stuff like, sometimes
you question their attentions like are you trained to be
like malicious or are you like genuinely like excited. I
don't know, it's like, yeah, that's not like the everst.
Sometimes you have to question yourself or you have to
worry about like being watched when you're like maybe in
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a vulnerable position, you know, like or even going to
take the obgyn. When I was first pregnant, I'm like
are people going to see me? And I'm like put
it online because I want to announce my pregnancy like
on my own time, in my own way. So I think, yeah,
that's what you just have to get used to is
like certain moments being exposed maybe maybe before you're ready
or before you want to talk about them. And that's
something that I guess I'm kind of getting used to
as well.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah, and then how has that LDS community responded to
your book and now going into another?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
So yeah, I mean I haven't heard anything about the
book at least, I guess what about the show. The show,
I haven't heard anything new like in the past last year,
before it came out and the trailer came out that
you know, everyone was freaking out, like these aren't real
Mormons and this is not what Warren's are, and like
people were freaking out right, and like that was a
little hard because I'm like, this is my own community
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like kind of attacking me, and I'm like I am
a member and like I teach children about Jesus and
our church. This is kind of weird for me. And
it made me question myself too. I'm like, am I
doing something wrong? Like is this bad? Like I feel
like I did question myself and that was kind of hard.
And then it came out and like people realize it's
not all about like swinging and drinking. Until like people
were like chill, but I feel like I've heard a
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ton and if I do, I just don't care, like whatever,
Like you can think what you want, but like I.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Don't know, you immune to it after a while.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yeah, Like I think I'm just used to it. I
did worry in the beginning because I just I mean,
I hadn't seen the show when it came out either.
It's like I don't know how it's edited. I'm like,
what if it does make it look like we're like
just bashing the church, because like that's not what I
want to do. Like it could be any religion and
I'm not going to bash it because I just think
it's like disrespectful. So I was a little worried, and
then it came out and I was like, oh, that's.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Fine, Yeah, yeah that makes sense. Yeah, what else can
you tease in regards to the books so that we
can get everybody buying it?
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I mean I do tell like a little bit behind
the scenes of mom Talk, which like I think we
don't really talk about the show and kind of like
how I got into mom Talk because I think a
lot of people this is like one thing that's funny
that kind of like will kind of bug. A lot
of us is that people online will be like, you
guys don't even have a career without Taylor, and like
you'd be nothing without her. And I'm like, I was
making money doing social media full time before I met Taylor,
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like we were friends on social media media, and Mikayla's same.
And I can't speak for everyone, but there's a lot
of girls who already had their own careers on social
media before they reported mom Talk. So like I had
one point two million followers before I even went into
mom Talk. But a lot of people don't know that
because I see us all together and they're like, oh
my gosh, you won't even have followers without her. I'm like, no,
I very much like grew this on my own. So
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I think it's kind of like fun toeal to tell,
like how my career was before mom Talk as well,
because I worked corporate. I was in advertising and then
when I worked at Goldman Sachs and I worked as
a marketing manager before I took social media full time.
So I did stuff and the people like just don't know,
Like people I don't know a lot about my tennis background,
and that was like my whole life growing up was like,
my identity is like rooted in sports, but people would
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have no idea watching the show because it's not talked about.
So I am excited for them to get to know
me better because I do feel like a lot of
the things that I film on the show unfortunately get
cut a lot, and I think it's because I'm not
very dramatic, like I I don't have a dramatic past,
and you'll read about that in the book. I think
some people who have interviewed me, they're like, wow, I
didn't know, like your life was so messy back then.
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I'm like, yeah, like there was a reality show back
then then it would have been crazy, but like, luckily.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
That probably wouldn't have been good for you.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
No, it wouldn't have so like we're in a good
place now and stuff, so I can talk about those
experiences and use them. And I also think that's why
I am very protective of my friends, and you see
i'll see that on the show, is because of what
I've been through, especially with Taylor, because you were like,
why is she so invested in a relationship Because I
feel like I've lived it before and I hate watching
you make the same mistakes over and over again. I
want to like stop it from happening because I know
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how painful it can be. So I think people when
they read the book, they'll realize why I am the
way that I am, and I'm excited for them to
see that.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Do you talk about the girls in your book and
is there anything in there that could potentially upset them?
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I do talk with them a little bit. Nothing that
would upset them, I don't think, not that I can
think of, because it was like, it's not like it's like,
you know a ton about mom talk. It's kind of
like how I got into it, and like a little
bit about the scandal and stuff like that. But I
don't think there's anything that would upset them. If there was,
I'd be shocked and I probably wouldn't care because I'm like,
I hate write anything rude.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
A lot of people that write books will like out
certain people that and piss off family members. So you
don't do any of that.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
It's not like a tell all where I'm like, and
then this person did this, and this person did this.
I feel like I'm someone who loves to give grace
to people because I know I'm not perfect. In the past,
I was definitely not always the best, and so I
feel like I have to give space for people to
maybe done me wrong or done me dirty in the past,
because like we're all trying our best, is how I
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feel like and in the past, and when you're young,
I always say, before your brain's developed, you do make
a lot of mistakes. Like I don't think I realized
that to like got older and I was like, wait,
what were you doing? Or like why'd you do this?
Like I feel like you realize as you get older,
you know certain things you could have done better.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
I guess, yeah, And have you heard from anyone that
you hadn't talked to for a long time once the
book came out?
Speaker 1 (27:27):
No, no, yet, I still feel like I worry, Like
when you're talking about family and like relationships, it is
a little nerve wracking, Like I'd be lying if I
said I wasn't nervous about it. I did let my dad.
My dad is the first person to read it. I mean,
my husband has read like most of it, but like periodically,
he hasn't read like the final version because we did
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edit things out. But my dad was like sending me
paragraphs and he was like, if I would have known
this was happening, I would have killed this guy. And
I was like, I know, since I didn't tell you
because I didn't want you going to jail. So like
wind the dad and not a dad in prison. So
like certain things like that, Like my dad read it
and who was he was shocked by some of the
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things that I wrote that he had no idea about,
you know, So I do get a little worry about
that kind of stuff. But like my dad's wrote it,
and he, you know, is very supportive. So yeah, that's good.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Well, congratulations and thank you so much for you going
on and talking to us.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Of course it's always fun.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
And where do people get the book?
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Oh? Yeah, so it's like all over. It'll be on Amazon.
It's on Amazon, Barnes and Noble. I think it'll be
in stores and Target, like all the main areas you
can get it. People want to sign copy. It's available
on Premiere Collectibles and then obviously the book tour.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Do you have a copy of it in front of you.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
It's in my my little book area here she.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Is, Oh told you so good, have a lot more.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Glamor on than she does. But we want to go
a little more in like the that's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah, I love it. We can't wait to read it.
And thank you so much for coming on to talk
about it and sharing your story. It's going to change
a lot of people's lives.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Thank you. Fun Bye Guy, Bye bye Yah.
To teas in a pod which Teddy Mellencamp and camera judge.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hi, guys, welcome to another episode of The twat Seat.
Today we have on Macy Nealy. She burst into the
center of pop culture when Hulu's The Secret Lives of
Some Mormon Wives took the world wide storm. She has
a memoir out now. It's called Told You So. It's
in bookstores now, so you can get it because what
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we're seeing on Hulu is barely scratching the service. By
the way, Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is streaming.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
On Hulu and season three is about to come out, right,
don't they come out pretty soon? So I remember when
we interviewed them earlier in the year and it was
season two, they were already filming season three. Like now,
they turn it around really quick. It's a quick turns
for sure. Now this port she has gone through so
much in her.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Young life, I know, and we're about to.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Hear all about it, enough to write a book.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Enough to write a book. But Secret Lives of Mormon
Wives starts airing November thirteenth, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Right around the corner.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Are we going to recap it again?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, we've got to so good.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Hello, Hi, how are you guys.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Hi?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
See, it's been a while since we talked to you.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
It's been a minute, but it feels like yesterday at
the same time.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yeah, the congratulations on your new book, thank you, I'm
so excited.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
And congratulations on your baby.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Thank you. I know, I had my husband take her
out today because I'm like, she's a little too crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
We gottata when.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
We saw you last year.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Pregnant.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yes, she's two months, so she's little. She's little, but
like I thought, she's such a big girl.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Now, remind me, didn't you tell me when I met
you last that your mom lives in Kodo?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yes, gott to hook us.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I know, I like I lived there my whole my
whole life, Like I grew up there, Like I think
we lived there when I was seven and then my
parents are still there.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Oh my right.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, it's like so crazy. So I was actually just
there for.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Like would she be good for housewives?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
It's hard to say, because I feel like my mom,
I think it looks in the beginning she'd probably be
a little stiff on camera, just because I don't know.
I think the perception would maybe scare her, like not
looking at like looking a certain way on TV. But
I think like after a while she'd be good. She'd
probably feel like me where she's kind of like more
chill like probably not like directly in drama, but like
I thought she'd be pretty good though.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I don't know she'd be a good narrator.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yeah, she'd like the narrator for sure. My mom like
loves telling stories that Letty can tell you a story
about any topics. I feel like she would be a
good narrator.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Put her together with my husband, they would just talk
for hours.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
No, it's true.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
They're casting now, so she's interested in let me know.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Oh my gosh, I'll tell her because at first I
brought her, brought it up to her after we did
the podcast, He's like, yeah, i'd be interested, But I'm like,
we'll see, I'll see. I should have her at least
try out and think it'd be funny.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Well, I'll send you my phone number and she can
give me a call.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah, no, yeah, send it to me. I'll tell her
to at least adition for it, so it could be fun.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Plus, i'd love to meet her. I wonder if we
have any mutual friends. I have so many friends that
live in Codo.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Well, yeah, probably used to, like in code, like, I
don't know if you go to the country club at all,
but I used to.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I used to live there.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, so it's like perfect.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
What's your mom's name, Cindy Sindy Sunday. Yes, okay, before
we get into I know.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
And of course we're going to talk about your book,
because I mean it's heartbreaking but also incredible you gone through.
Let's talk a little bit about Dancing with the Stars.
Do sing Whitney and Jin make you want to go
on next season?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
You guys, I would embarrass myself, so I feel like, no,
like I feel like watching them even more so made
me not really want to do it, just because I'm like,
they're so good that I think I'd go on and
I'd feel like embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
So that's how I feel like I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I feel like if I got the opportunity, I wouldn't
be like absolutely not, like I would definitely consider and
try it, but I would be like so anxious and
like so scared because I'm not a dancer, Like I'm
not good at that at all.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Now, you were there at Dance with the Stars for
opening night, I went there to support a friend last season.
Were you shocked when you saw how small?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I was like, wait, Like I thought, like when you
see it on TV, it looks so much bigger, and
like you get there and you're like, wait, it's like small,
and like the songs were shorter than I thought, so
I was like, at least there's that, like they don't
have to like a full three minute thing.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
It's like one minute, right, one minute. Yeah, And you
probably sat right in the front by those things that
explode confetti out they let their ear drums out, yes, And.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
He kept telling the guy I would tell us, He's like, hey,
this is going to go off. Yeah, but I always
forget every time go off, And I was like yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
And then they're just the stuff that goes on in
between people dancing, Like it's like sets come and people
are flying from the ceiling and it's it's.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Just fun to watch. Like when I went in person,
I was like, wait, I love this, Like this is
so fun. So I don't know. I I thought it
was a great time. I feel like it made me
more nervous for them, Like I felt so anxious before
they started. I was like, oh my gosh, like, I
feel like I was living it with them, but I
could you imagine being I voted for both of them.
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You guys know, I love the Riders, so I think
I can't like take a side. I mean, I love
both of them like me and when you have had
our differences, but we're like, I feel like we're in
a good place and I love Greens. I like, I
don't think I could ever choose like one or the
other because they're also both so good. So it's like, okay,
I'm going five to five. We're going split.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
And some people are saying it's unfair that Whitney is
doing it because she has such a strong background and dancing.
What are your thoughts on that.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I mean, I wouldn't say it's unfair because I don't
think she was like a professional dancer, but she did.
Like I guess she does have a good advantage because
she did dance for her major. Like, I get that,
and I think it's also a reasony I don't think
I want to go on because I like a lot
of people that go on the show have a dance experience.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yes, I have here, So.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
I feel like they can't like single Witney out because
I know was it Glob's partner? I wrote where her
name is Lah? I heard that she was a professional
ballroom dancer but then got hurt. But I'm like, that's
still That'd be like me going and playing tennis and
people have never played before. I'd kick their butts, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
But don't you feel I agree with that, But don't
you feel there's like a level of popularity that goes
into who wins too.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
I think it's fifty percent dance or actually it's like
forty percent dance maybe and then sixty percent popular people. Honestly,
it could be more because I know that she was
in the bottom three, right, but she's like really good,
So it's like.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
She's good, but she's not very well liked.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah, that's the problem.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yes, that's why I'm like, I'd be kicked off so quick.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Oh my god, you have all your Orange County voters
coming through, all the house by.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Voter, Yeah, especially my cast.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Would I'd be like if one showed up.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Just how they did, they wouldn't come support.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
You never know. I don't think it would be like
a podcast support. I would. Yeah, you guys did. Yeah,
I can't believe that you guys start airing already, like
November thirteenth.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
I know, for season three. I feel like it just
it's just like flown by. I don't know, Like I
think I was just with you guys in the studio.
So I'm like, I just and it's like already new
seasons coming out. It's bizarre.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Well, you guys are a huge hit, and I've never
seen a reality show like this just take off. Now
you have some of the girls and dance and the stars,
you have Taylor being the new bachelorette.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
How do you think to.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Coze, Oh, Like, he's definitely not happy about it, that's
for sure. I mean, I think he's probably gotten over
it now. But I don't think he knew for sure
when it was announced that she was a bachelorette, Like
I know, like there was rumblings and like the girls knew,
but I don't think he knew for sure until it
came out on call her Daddy. Oh, I was.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Really happy that I can get back together for the
especially for the.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Same No, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I don't on here, No, I don't. I don't. Maybe
I don't know everything he's done to her. Maybe that's
what it is.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I mean in regardless of him, Like I've had my differences,
like I obviously like haven't liked him, but in general
too like them two together, regardless of what he's done,
it's just toxic. Even like he did change and he
was the best ever, it's still never gonna work between
the two of them. It's just them together is horrible,
bad news.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Like, yeah, we would see him on the show and
he would cry, and his confessionals and things like that.
So I think I just had a little bit of
a soft spot for him, like oh, changing.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Can do that.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
They can. And it's funny because I even feel that
sometimes with him, where like I like will have strongly
like I'll strongly dislike him, but then like in person,
sometimes I'm like, ah, like he is like a likable person,
like he he has a good side to him. He's
not like I would say he's like a bad person,
Like there's times where I felt that way, But I
don't think he's a bad person to his core. He
just makes bad decisions, good dad, I think. So, I mean,
(09:06):
I don't know. I think in the past they questioned it,
but like I think he tries his best. No, I
don't know, Like I have no idea. I don't I've
never really seen him interact as a dad, like I
think whenever they film like Ever hasn't been around, Like
I haven't seen him with ever, you know, So I
wouldn't know, but I assume he is, like Jordan said,
he's a great dad.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
I don't know, I think. So we were left on
a big cliffhanger last season between Jesse and Marciano. Oh yeah,
are we going to get into that a little bit?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
You're going to get into that a lot, And this
next season, I feel I feel like we're going to
see a lot like I think people are going to
be surprised with what they see. And then also I
just feel because I actually got to see this season
ahead of time. Usually we never get to see it,
but we did get to see it this time, and
I will say it's probably my favorite season so far.
And I know we probably say that every year, but
(09:57):
I do feel like this time too. They kept like
the fun little moments in there that are usually cut
out for drama, Like I thought, they kept some of
the bloopers and some of the funny moments that usually
don't make the edit. So I did like that because
it kind of shows a personality and it shows kind
of like how we are. Because I feel like after
last season, we got a lot of comments like there's
like they're mean girls and blah bla blah. I'm like, well,
you guys, miss like the fun moments and the moments
(10:19):
that we're just like laughing and like screwing around and
like that gets cut a lot. So I feel like
they did leave a good amount of those this season.
So I felt like it was like funny, Like I
had moments that I was like dying laughing in it,
and like I feel like normally I don't.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
So I don't know how do you deal with you
talking about mean comments and stuff like that, and how
do you deal with that on social media?
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Has it been easy for you or hard?
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I mean it's easy for me so far. I don't
feel like I get a lot of hate compared to
some many other girls. But I also like I feel
like it's because I am not very controversial, like I'm
just kind of doing my own thing. I feel like
I'm very neutral and it's not because I'm like playing
a role. That's just kind of how I am in life.
Like I just like I'm a neutral person. I can
see both sides of the equation, and I I don't know,
and I'm very like empathetic towards people, and like I
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can put myself on anyone's shoes, and I feel like
so for me, I don't get a ton of hate.
But I also say, like we definitely get grouped in
as a whole sometimes like these are all mean girls
or this and that, and like, well, you don't know,
you're seeing like twenty percent of like what we film,
you know, because we film so much.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
And they all see how people don't understand that.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
No they don't. And I'm like, you're seeing just like
certain moments of our lives, Like you're seeing probably the
lowest moments and sometimes the highest, and you're not seeing
like the in between. So it doesn't really affect me,
though I know it affects other people. But I will
say I don't get as much hate as other girls,
so I can't really You're lucky, you know, speak to it.
I do you take skin though, Like I feel like
I'm used to being judged and things like that, Like
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my whole life growing up being Mormon and having other
Mormons who that I wasn't like Mormon enough you know,
say comments, and so I feel like I'm used to it,
so I don't really care. I'm like, you don't know me,
so you can't really judge me, you know, and you're
not perfect, so you can't judge you know what they do?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
No remind me is mean?
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Is she on this new season coming up?
Speaker 1 (12:04):
She is, but not like the whole time, like some
pieces I can't even remember exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Are you more team Jesse or to me team.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Jesse, But like I wouldn't say like I'm on a team,
but I'm closer with Jesse. And I feel like what
has happened, which you'll see more of this season, like
like I wasn't like I want to take this side,
but just kind of naturally happened based on like what
was happening and stuff, and like also because what we
were hearing wasn't The qualities are characteristics of someone that
I want to be close friends with. I have no
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personal issues with me, I have no beef, Like we
have a fine relationship. But like just from observing certain things,
I'm like, okay, like still love her as a person
as a friend, but yeah, I'm not going to be
like buddy buddy based on what I've seen, you know,
unless of things drastically change and we decide I don't
know whatever. I never say never because I am someone
who will forgive anything, and again, she hasn't anything to me,
(12:57):
so I have nothing to forgive. But just taking a
mental note, I guess, yeah, it's a complicated situation. I feel
like I don't even know exactly how I feel about
it because I do genuinely like like her and as
a person, and we've had like so many good memories together,
so it's hard to say.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
You had an incredible, like moving storyline last season, which
I think is what led to your book. Can you
tell us a little bit more about how you started
writing it? Yeah, the stories behind it, what our viewers
would be tuning into.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah, no, for sure. So, like I always tell people,
I feel the story's been writing itself for the last
ten years because I had a blog that I kind
of wrote and that's how I started social media and
kind of talking about my life story. And then I
also wrote in a diary for like all my trauma
stuff that I went through, Like I wrote it all down,
and then I've written like bits and pieces over the
last ten years, but never like put it in a book,
(14:03):
and then I got like the opportunity I got a
book deal because my manager knew it was like one
of my life goals and stuff, and so she got
me with an agent and I got a book deal
pretty quickly after season one, and so I was like, hey,
this is the time, and so like I kind of
pieced everything together that I had already written. Then she
like added new stories and a lot more details, and
so it was definitely a really hard process. But like luckily,
(14:25):
like I had kind of documented like everything else kind
of going on, so that it wasn't so I'm sure,
oh one hundred percent, because over time too, like you
can forget things like and I had notes that I
wrote for therapy and things like that that I had saved.
So I had like so much information that made it
a lot easier for the writing process, Like I like
still wasn't easy. And then I also added stories and
(14:45):
that were fun and like lighthearted and like silly and
stuff that people wouldn't know about me or that like
they wouldn't see in the show. Like there is so
much more in this book than like the three minutes
that you saw on the show for seasons.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah, can you give us a little bit more of
a and just like the backstory of what you showed
on the show, and then.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Yeah, yeah, so I will say for the show too.
For like that storyline, I filmed a lot of that,
some of it season one, but then it was all
cut out of season one, right, So then we kind
of picked it back up for season two because I
still was going through this process of like I've never
been to the crash site or my baby daddy died,
and so like that was something that like we wanted
to revisit because like I had my book deal, so like, okay,
(15:26):
this is probably great to kind of open that chapter
starting to write, and like I need to kind of
heal to write for this book. So that was kind
of like the idea behind it. It was very difficult
to do it because it's kind of like something that
you always know you needed to do. We just didn't
want to do it because he knew it was going
to be hard. Like that's how it was to the
(15:47):
crash site, Like I knew I need to do it,
I just kept like pushing it off. So I feel
like even doing it, I didn't do it for the show.
I did it for myself, but I feel like they
gave me an extra push to do that, and I
was very grateful that I did, because it healed part
of me inside to an extent. But there is so
much more to that story of like what I dealt with,
like with grief, and you know, like a backside of
(16:10):
like meeting Hudson's dad and like him passing away, and
how I was like kind of suicidal during my pregnancy,
and like how my mom helped pick up those pieces,
and how I went back to byu, you know, even
though I had a kid, and like what it was
like doing that, especially in like a religious culture. So
I talk a lot about that. And then a big
piece that you don't see on the show too, is
I talk about my relationship before I met my son's
(16:33):
father and like the abuse that I went through, and
we did film a little bit of that for the
show that also got cut, so you get to see
like what I went through before I met Hudson's dad,
And I feel like it all kind of like my
story kind of all makes sense once the pieces are
put together, and I feel like it even makes more
sense as to why I'm so neutral in the show
or thanks writers, because you see how much I've been
(16:54):
through and how I hate, like I hate having beef
with people. I always like to leave things on a
good note because I know how how fragile life is
and how quickly, like someone that I love was taken
from me, and I would never want to experience that again,
and if I did, I wouldn't want to have regrets.
And I did have regrets, like when my son's father
passed away, because of like certain things that I said.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
You know, why do you think they cut it from
the first season? Do you think it was just too deep.
They wanted to get the viewers to get to know
you a little bit better before they learned all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Yes, I do. I feel like a lot of storylines
were cut unless they were Taylor, And I said that because,
like she is obviously like kind of the star, the
focal point of the show, and so I feel like
they wanted to follow like the current life drama instead
of like things that maybe we've got into paths that
still affect us now. And I do feel like they
dived into that a little bit more season two. But
even then, I did film like five scenes for my storyline,
(17:46):
and they were all pretty much cut down to those
two that you see of me talking to the mom,
you know, Eric's mom, which is my son's father, his mom,
and then they shows me like going to the crash site.
But I did film like multiple other scenes that were
all cut. I don't know why. I have no idea.
Part of me is fine that they were, because you're
gonna get all that in the book, right, You're gonna
(18:07):
get so much more detail and things that you didn't
even what you would have seen is nowhere near what
isn't the book, you know, So I'm glad to get
the whole thing cut.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Did the mom talk girls support your journey in writing
this book.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Oh yeah, for sure. I think like I'm someone who
kind of goes through things on my own and behind
the scenes, I don't like to I don't say like
burden people. That's like what I'm going through is like
they obviously were very supportive, but I feel like when
I was struggling here and there, I didn't tell anyone,
like writing it and stuff like. I mean, I think
michaela certain days I'm like, oh yeah, I'm like a
little depressed, you know, writing this book. And like then
also cookies would show overt my door because she's like
(18:41):
the most like supportive person, Like she's like truly like
the best I love her so much, Like she's just
so supportive of like everything, and that's kind of how
we are together. So like she's alwaysly been very helpful
on my journey because she's probably the only person I
would be like, oh, yeah, I'm like kind of sad
today because like sometimes it's hard to be like vulnerable
and that's sense and tell a friend, you know, like hey, yeah,
(19:02):
I'm like kind of hurting her right now. And I
think me and her, as we've gotten even closer over
the years, have gotten better at that together. Like she'll
be like yeah, this and that, or like postpartum I
try to check in a lot with her too.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Yeah, you guys were pregnant at the same time, right,
and you gave birth around at the same time.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
How many weeks or stays apart? Yeah. Yeah, her baby
is six days older than mine, so they're like destined
to be better best friends. Yeah, her baby's name is
Lottie and my baby's name is Charlie, So I guess
they're both nicknames for Charlotte. And we didn't even know that,
like the internet started going crazy. I think both need
their baby Charlotte, and I was like what we did? Like,
(19:38):
I was like so confused. So I didn't even know
that until we you know, heard it online. So now
we kind of play into it. And we both named
our baby Charlotte, and we thought of the name like
we'll like joke around. But yeah, we both did even
know that it was a nickname for Charlotte until yeah,
I guess.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
So, So, how is the show changed your life?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Oh my gosh, It's it's funny because I feel like
it's still the same as far as like I still
feel like me, like nothing feels different to me, but
like obviously financial financially, it's been more beneficial, Like you know,
like this book deal I think would have happened no
matter what, but I think it got it like in
the door of like the best people because the show
and like my story, I had more awareness, right, So
(20:33):
that for sure. And then I think, just like, yeah,
I know it's crazy that like people like know who
we are. I guess that's like the one that's really
different is like going out places and people wanting pictures,
and I mean that would happen a little bit beforehand
because we were doing like the influencer thing and we
all had like followers and stuff like that. But like
obviously it's like way more heightened now. Yeah, so like
(20:54):
that's cool, but like sometimes it's hard because I like
I love to just like you know, well to get
in my sweats and looking like a little homeless, you know,
and sometimes now like.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
You're speaking mind Teddy's language. Yeah, like and I love that,
and I feel homeless right now, no exactly, Like I
have to look at I do to do a photo
shoot off this.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
That's why I'm like so glammed up. But yeah, so
that's the only thing. It's a little bit different that
it's not like you don't like it, but like I do.
Sometimes I feel like you get watched a little bit,
and so like sometimes that's hard. Like you know, going
to a dinner and you can see people like watching
me and you're like okay, like you're taking your picture
and your pictures that like they're recording you without like
saying hi, and I'm like, wait, like I don't like that,
(21:34):
Like that's the only thing I don't love or like
when I'm with my family and stuff, and then I'm
like if my kids are going faral and they're like
taking videos and like, well, what are you doing with them?
Like that's like kind of right it? Yeah, Well I
was like I just more sorry about the intention behind it,
or like are you doing that to talk shit on me?
Are you like or you just like are you excited
get to a blogger? Yeah, that's the only thing I
(21:55):
worry about. I'm like, if you have good intentions, no problem,
no issue, Come ask me for a picture. Sure. But
like I think when people are secretive about it, like
we know, like when you're filming and stuff like, sometimes
you question their attentions like are you trained to be
like malicious or are you like genuinely like excited. I
don't know, it's like, yeah, that's not like the everst.
Sometimes you have to question yourself or you have to
worry about like being watched when you're like maybe in
(22:17):
a vulnerable position, you know, like or even going to
take the obgyn. When I was first pregnant, I'm like
are people going to see me? And I'm like put
it online because I want to announce my pregnancy like
on my own time, in my own way. So I think, yeah,
that's what you just have to get used to is
like certain moments being exposed maybe maybe before you're ready
or before you want to talk about them. And that's
something that I guess I'm kind of getting used to
as well.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah, and then how has that LDS community responded to
your book and now going into another?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
So yeah, I mean I haven't heard anything about the
book at least, I guess what about the show. The show,
I haven't heard anything new like in the past last year,
before it came out and the trailer came out that
you know, everyone was freaking out, like these aren't real
Mormons and this is not what Warren's are, and like
people were freaking out right, and like that was a
little hard because I'm like, this is my own community
(23:05):
like kind of attacking me, and I'm like I am
a member and like I teach children about Jesus and
our church. This is kind of weird for me. And
it made me question myself too. I'm like, am I
doing something wrong? Like is this bad? Like I feel
like I did question myself and that was kind of hard.
And then it came out and like people realize it's
not all about like swinging and drinking. Until like people
were like chill, but I feel like I've heard a
(23:25):
ton and if I do, I just don't care, like whatever,
Like you can think what you want, but like I.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Don't know, you immune to it after a while.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yeah, Like I think I'm just used to it. I
did worry in the beginning because I just I mean,
I hadn't seen the show when it came out either.
It's like I don't know how it's edited. I'm like,
what if it does make it look like we're like
just bashing the church, because like that's not what I
want to do. Like it could be any religion and
I'm not going to bash it because I just think
it's like disrespectful. So I was a little worried, and
then it came out and I was like, oh, that's.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Fine, Yeah, yeah that makes sense. Yeah, what else can
you tease in regards to the books so that we
can get everybody buying it?
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I mean I do tell like a little bit behind
the scenes of mom Talk, which like I think we
don't really talk about the show and kind of like
how I got into mom Talk because I think a
lot of people this is like one thing that's funny
that kind of like will kind of bug. A lot
of us is that people online will be like, you
guys don't even have a career without Taylor, and like
you'd be nothing without her. And I'm like, I was
making money doing social media full time before I met Taylor,
(24:23):
like we were friends on social media media, and Mikayla's same.
And I can't speak for everyone, but there's a lot
of girls who already had their own careers on social
media before they reported mom Talk. So like I had
one point two million followers before I even went into
mom Talk. But a lot of people don't know that
because I see us all together and they're like, oh
my gosh, you won't even have followers without her. I'm like, no,
I very much like grew this on my own. So
(24:44):
I think it's kind of like fun toeal to tell,
like how my career was before mom Talk as well,
because I worked corporate. I was in advertising and then
when I worked at Goldman Sachs and I worked as
a marketing manager before I took social media full time.
So I did stuff and the people like just don't know,
Like people I don't know a lot about my tennis background,
and that was like my whole life growing up was like,
my identity is like rooted in sports, but people would
(25:06):
have no idea watching the show because it's not talked about.
So I am excited for them to get to know
me better because I do feel like a lot of
the things that I film on the show unfortunately get
cut a lot, and I think it's because I'm not
very dramatic, like I I don't have a dramatic past,
and you'll read about that in the book. I think
some people who have interviewed me, they're like, wow, I
didn't know, like your life was so messy back then.
(25:27):
I'm like, yeah, like there was a reality show back
then then it would have been crazy, but like, luckily.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
That probably wouldn't have been good for you.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
No, it wouldn't have so like we're in a good
place now and stuff, so I can talk about those
experiences and use them. And I also think that's why
I am very protective of my friends, and you see
i'll see that on the show, is because of what
I've been through, especially with Taylor, because you were like,
why is she so invested in a relationship Because I
feel like I've lived it before and I hate watching
you make the same mistakes over and over again. I
want to like stop it from happening because I know
(25:57):
how painful it can be. So I think people when
they read the book, they'll realize why I am the
way that I am, and I'm excited for them to
see that.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Do you talk about the girls in your book and
is there anything in there that could potentially upset them?
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I do talk with them a little bit. Nothing that
would upset them, I don't think, not that I can
think of, because it was like, it's not like it's like,
you know a ton about mom talk. It's kind of
like how I got into it, and like a little
bit about the scandal and stuff like that. But I
don't think there's anything that would upset them. If there was,
I'd be shocked and I probably wouldn't care because I'm like,
I hate write anything rude.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
A lot of people that write books will like out
certain people that and piss off family members. So you
don't do any of that.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
It's not like a tell all where I'm like, and
then this person did this, and this person did this.
I feel like I'm someone who loves to give grace
to people because I know I'm not perfect. In the past,
I was definitely not always the best, and so I
feel like I have to give space for people to
maybe done me wrong or done me dirty in the past,
because like we're all trying our best, is how I
(27:05):
feel like and in the past, and when you're young,
I always say, before your brain's developed, you do make
a lot of mistakes. Like I don't think I realized
that to like got older and I was like, wait,
what were you doing? Or like why'd you do this?
Like I feel like you realize as you get older,
you know certain things you could have done better.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
I guess, yeah, And have you heard from anyone that
you hadn't talked to for a long time once the
book came out?
Speaker 1 (27:27):
No, no, yet, I still feel like I worry, Like
when you're talking about family and like relationships, it is
a little nerve wracking, Like I'd be lying if I
said I wasn't nervous about it. I did let my dad.
My dad is the first person to read it. I mean,
my husband has read like most of it, but like periodically,
he hasn't read like the final version because we did
(27:47):
edit things out. But my dad was like sending me
paragraphs and he was like, if I would have known
this was happening, I would have killed this guy. And
I was like, I know, since I didn't tell you
because I didn't want you going to jail. So like
wind the dad and not a dad in prison. So
like certain things like that, Like my dad read it
and who was he was shocked by some of the
(28:07):
things that I wrote that he had no idea about,
you know, So I do get a little worry about
that kind of stuff. But like my dad's wrote it,
and he, you know, is very supportive. So yeah, that's good.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Well, congratulations and thank you so much for you going
on and talking to us.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Of course it's always fun.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
And where do people get the book?
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Oh? Yeah, so it's like all over. It'll be on Amazon.
It's on Amazon, Barnes and Noble. I think it'll be
in stores and Target, like all the main areas you
can get it. People want to sign copy. It's available
on Premiere Collectibles and then obviously the book tour.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Do you have a copy of it in front of you.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
It's in my my little book area here she.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Is, Oh told you so good, have a lot more.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Glamor on than she does. But we want to go
a little more in like the that's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah, I love it. We can't wait to read it.
And thank you so much for coming on to talk
about it and sharing your story. It's going to change
a lot of people's lives.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Thank you. Fun Bye Guy, Bye bye Yah.
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