Two Jersey Js: Make Me a Match

What makes a man fall in love? What rules should you follow if you are looking for marriage?  Jackie and Jen chat with Patti Stanger about finding your perfect match. 
Plus, who met their husband while working as a matchmaker?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hi, guys, Welcome back to Two Jersey Jays. I'm Jen Fessler,
I'm Jackie Goldschneider. We're very excited about today's episode.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Yes, and it's so funny. I love. Even though I've
been on reality TV for six years, I still there's
certain TV personalities who I've never met that I am
just so excited to talk to. Today is one of them.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
I feel the same way today we have the iconic
Patti Stanger on the show.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Did you used to watch a Millionaire? Oh my god?

Speaker 1 (00:30):
I mean seriously, like, I feel the same way even listen,
I even get like that meeting Housewives, still like, oh
my god, I'm standing just in the presence of greatness
and Patti Stanger like she was way before any of this.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yes, right, yeah, that show is definitely I mean I
think that OC was probably on already and I think
so right years was I'm like blinking, you know, the
years go by? Yeah, you know it's a quote. I
know it's a quote, Remashal, you know, the years to
keep coming in, they don't stop coming. But yeah, I
love of the Millionaire. Matchmaker was obsessed. It was a
different premise that so she has this new show out

(01:04):
now and it's same idea, but it is not millionaire
Matchmaker anymore, right, So it's not women who want to
meet their millionaire husband. So I don't know could you
even get away with that these days? I don't know,
you know, like a millionaire kind of thing, well, like
just a show that's based on a woman meeting a millionaire.
It was all right, I just were some women millionaires.

(01:28):
But you know, I don't know that you could get
away with the old show that she used to film
because there were there was a lot you know, we're
a lot more PC now. Cancel culture is really a
thing right now, Yes it is. And I don't know
that you could get away with, you know, concentrating on
a woman's looks and telling her she I mean, there
was this one incident I remember where Patty was telling

(01:50):
a woman, you know, certain things about her appearance that
wouldn't fly if she wanted to, you know, be successful
with a millionaire. And I don't know that you could
do that now.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Right, You probably couldn't. I was I worked for and
was very very close friends with these women, and I
we want to have them on. Actually, Jack, we've spoken
about it, who wrote that book The Rules.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Oh yeah, I remember that. I remember that book.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
So for you guys, I don't know if you guys
have ever heard of it, but there was a book about, really,
you know, how to find a man and get married
and so really it was a huge topic of conversation
back in the day.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
I'm thinking it was.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
The late nineties, right like mid nineties anyway. So the
idea was that there are some rules that you have
to follow if you want to not only get married,
but have a successful marriage, and they lay it out
rule by rule. They've written several books now, Ellen Fine
and Cherry Schneider, but I believe in a lot of
what that book has to say, And even though it

(02:46):
sounds so archaic now, I think Patty probably also subscribes
to the same philosophies. There's a lot in it that
talks about like not accepting a date after a certain
point in the week, like don't be that last minute girl, right,
And it's so it was a lot of it was
very controversial because it was some people thought it was

(03:07):
anti feminist. Some people thought it was actually a great,
you know, example of how a woman can really take
care of herself when it comes to dealing with men
and anyway. So it's just interesting because it also gives
out appearance advice and it talks about you know, lots
of scia. But you know, the sad truth is that
you have to be physically attracted to somebody in order

(03:29):
for the You don't have to be but physical without
physical attraction, I don't feel like there's that spark.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
I don't know if I believe that anymore. I mean,
I I know that like I see it. Also, like
even with my daughter, you know, she'll meet a kid,
a guy, a boy, whatever, a man. I can't imagine
that it's a man because she's twenty one, but okay,
we'll say man, and you know what, I'm not into him.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
I just I don't know. I just I got the ick.
She'll see him again, she'll be like, I don't know
if he's so, he's funny. I kind of like him,
And the next time I talked to her.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
I'm in love.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
I'm in love. I met my husband. Like, I think
that stuff can develop. I think it's very hard in
this age of social media to actually give people that
chance right to get past appearance.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, I don't know because I just fell so deeply
for Evan Goldschneider when I laid eyes on him, So
I don't know. I can't talk to him everyone. You know,
if people don't know about Jen Fessler is that before
she was on the Housewives, she was a matchmaker.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
I wouldn't say like before I was on the Housewives
because it was about a million years ago, and it
was I guess it's like a maybe three years out
of my life and my twenties, I had god so
many different jobs. But anyway, yes, for a few years,
I was a matchmaker for this company called It's Just Lunch.
And the premise of base Just Lunch is that you
set up singles professionals on either lunch dates or drink

(04:49):
dates because no one has time, you know, for a
date date, so these are just sort of quick, you know,
meet and greet and have a coffee or have lunch. Anyway,
that's how I met Jeff Fessler as a matter of fact.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
So oh he was a client.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
He was a client, well, he had been a client
and his membership expired and I was trying to get
members to come back in and I'm the new director
called him up He's like, it wasn't really successful for me,
and I said, well, you haven't met me or whatever,
you know, like sales pitch, And because Jeff Fessler can't
really say no, if you just beat him down enough,
he ended up showing up.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
And that was that. It's funny because I used it's
just lunch during the years that you were working there,
and I can't find any of the email correspondents. It
did not work out for me. I only had one
go around with them, but they set me up on
three dates that were all bummers. But I know that
it does work for some people, so I'm not like
disparages the company. It's a very hard thing to be

(05:44):
a matchmaker. But I talked really habdy about it. I
wish I could find those emails because how funny if
you were the person, because I remember the woman that
I spoke to told me she met her husband there.
But you probably know you, Jeff no Early.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
I don't think that was not the way it was
supposed to happen anyway, But I was not supposed to
be dating if I tell But I found like, as
a matchmaker, you know it, maybe you can get it
right in terms of like Okay, somebody says, I like
Brunette's great. He has to be tall, fabulous. I want
a professional great, but you can't. And Patty maybe ken
so interested in this but predict chemistry, you know, it's

(06:16):
like it's a very hard thing. Like I think that's
something that you have to be face to face.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Does it work?

Speaker 1 (06:22):
It may make sense on paper, but how does she
actually how did she figure out? Like who's going to spark?

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah? Well, well I never really used dating apps except
for JD. I don't know what any of the difference
between any of the ones that maybe you do because
you have a twenty one year old daughter. I don't
know the difference between hinge bumble.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Bumbles, the bad one bumbles, the hook up one. I
think I don't call me, don't hold me. Oh maybe
that's Tinder.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
That's Tinder. Sorry, I don't know direction. I have no
idea what any of this stuff, and I don't want
to know real different that we don't need bagel meats
coffee Like there's coffee, yes I ever heard of I
think I'm mixing up the name. But it's something like that.
It's like you meet for breakfast or something. There are
so many.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Listen and this is for our different podcast maybe, but
it's I think it's just so sad because people don't
meet each other and these kids don't get out and
they don't learn to interact and meet each other at bars.
And you know, I have a whole philosophy about that.
That's for another episode.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, I just say, asked seven the other day if
the population is dropping?

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Yea.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
He first of all, Evan is a freaking encyclopedia of
every random fact you would ever want to know. But
I asked him if the population is dropping because we
were watching the show and they were just all of
these and there's nothing wrong with being a childless woman
in your forties, but there was just like a slew
of childless women in their forties that were just very
driven on their careers and like not interested in settling
down and having kids at least that's what they said.

(07:46):
And it made me wonder, like, are we, like, is
the population get a job? And he said, it's not
that we're dropping yet, but like the birth rate is dropping,
so population trow will come. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
But there's also that guy, Scott Galloway. I don't you
ever heard of him? So he's a perser. I'm going
to screw it up at an ivy league, I believe.
But anyway, he talks about young men and the loneliness
that they're experiencing because everybody is meeting people strictly on
their phones. And these guys, these kids, you know, they
put up their profile and if they're not like in

(08:16):
the seventy fifth percentile in terms of like attractiveness, the
women just swipe by or they can't. They don't get
clicks everybody's and so then their self esteem becomes affected
and they're in their parents' home and they don't feel
good about themselves. And I mean, he gets very deep
and detailed about it, and it's very very scary about
this generation of boys who they don't learn to get rejected,

(08:41):
have heartbreak, have a relationship, you know, it ends. They
just get sort of sadder, more and more sad, and
their self esteem plummets because they're on their phone getting
swiped over.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Well, I can imagine that that happens to girls too.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
He focuses more on the boys amenity easier, he says,
for girls don't.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Well, I think I strongly believe in matchmaking. Yeah, I do.
I think that a personal recommendation to somebody you know
is like priceless. I do it all the time. Oh
my god. I love saying you ever set people up successfully?
I have?

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Actually yeah, yeah, well I did it professionally, so yes.
But I've also done it. I always try to do
it in my personal life, like I'm always looking. It's
harder for me for some reason, maybe because a woman,
I have more female friends.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yeah, I have a lot more female friends, right, and
I don't even know any single men. When I do.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
As soon as I meet a single guy, like around
our age, my head starts to race. I'm like whipping
through the roll decks of my mind and thinking, you know,
who could this person work for? I A Wloulds say
to Jeff, like, you know, you're not paying attention. There's
no one in the firm, no one who He's like,
I'm you know, working, I have things going on in
my day. I'm not recruiting single lawyers. But yeah, I

(09:51):
love setting people up.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Yeah, you know, I just don't know how I would,
like God forbid anything ever happened in my marriage, Like,
I don't even know where I would begin. I don't
even know that I would know how to date anybody.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
I don't know if i'd want if i'd want to,
but I think that I would do it way better
than when I was an insecure twenty something like I
feel like the trick for me and this is what
I did used to tell people, friends and clients, but
is to not go into every situation like this could
be the one. Assume it's not the one. Right, you're
going out you're going to meet someone. I would never

(10:26):
do a dinner. I would only do a coffee now
because who wants to commit that kind of time? But
like go in thinking this person hopefully will become a
friend of mine, and if there's no spark, maybe this
person's best friend I will meet, or maybe this person
has someone that they think they're not digging me, but
they know someone, or like just going in it just

(10:46):
and if it's not friends, you're just going in to
meet somebody, just shoot the shit. Why not take out
you know, twenty minutes and like not it's take all
the intensity off of it, right, Like it doesn't have
to be your husband.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
I believe in soulmates.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
No, not really, no, I believe in people that you
love that you feel you can't imagine life without that
feel like they're part of you, but soulmates. Know, I
think there's I think you could love lots and lots
and lots and lots of people.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah, you know, I feel like I should say no
to that, But then when I picture Evan, I can't
imagine not like being married to anybody else or sharing
my life with anybody else. I don't think there's anybody
else that could understand me, or that I could tolerate.
Not only tolerate, but I like, I love being around him.

(11:38):
I can't get enough of him, And I don't know
that there's anyone else that I can ever feel that way.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
You're very blessed. I feel very blessed to be in
the marriage that I'm in. But realistically, I mean, I
love Evan to death. I agree he's unique, but like
it would have been someone else.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, I don't know, I dated, you know, I just
I don't know. Well, Luckily, I hopefully I will never
have to know. Yes, but I do have a lot
of questions for Patty, and I'm excited so her new.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Show, Matchmaker, The Matchmaker, Yes, all right?

Speaker 4 (12:13):
Is what what is it? It's on the CW. It
airs Thursdays at eight PM on the CW and streams
Fridays on the CW APP. I do enjoy people falling
in love.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
I love that too. I mean, I'm very much into
the Bachelor and The Batcher. I can't I can't watch
every season at some point, but those relationships never end
up working out, right, watching people fall for each other?

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah, but is that for real?

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Royal is actually I think he's just got married, but
he's he was joining our Yeah, he was, grade.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
He was. He did a bunch of seasons. I think
at one point he was on the Bachelorette. I think
he was the Bachelor. Yeah, they worked together two and
he ended up marrying somebody that he did not meet
from the show. I believe correct. I don't know. Yeah,
we could ask Patty. I know he's a pod but
I know he's very fantastic podcasts and very cute. I

(13:05):
just feel like there are so many more single women
than there are single men. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
We have to ask her if that's still the case.
And that was always right, that really shitty thing people
used to say, like, if you there, you have a
better chance of getting hitting hit by lightning than be
getting married. After women, this is for women getting married
after forty five, like something.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Just well, I know that Alaska is like the worst
place for a woman to be a man. Do you
know about that? There's like ten women for every one man.
If you're a single guy, they say, like that's the
place to be. Wow. Yeah, I have to see the
stats on that, But it's something crazy like that.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Why would more women want to be in Alaska? I
wonder it's like the last I want to visit. I
very much want to visit, but to live in Alaska
it's a little cold, sunny. I can't take New Jersey.
I'm like just thinking there. I can't take New Jersey,
counting off the years to get my place in Florida
other reasons. Yeah, well right, but let's not even go
there today.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
So are you kind of like living vicariously through your
kids dating right now? Do they give you any feedback?
Are you allowed to ask questions?

Speaker 3 (14:12):
No?

Speaker 1 (14:13):
I'm definitely not living vicariously through them. The last thing
I'd want to do right now is date. No, not
like that what you're saying, Yell, you know, it's interesting.
My daughter gives me every single detail, So ask me
anything about anybody that Rachel has.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
That's so amazing. That means she trusts you, or maybe
it means I'm.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Dysfunctional and I've raised her to be codependent. And there
are a lot of different ways that you can.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Look at and then look at it the other way,
Like my therapist.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Would probably say, it's now becoming like inappropriate and so
and well. The other piece is that I also sort
of demand it. I just I when you pummel somebody
with questions, so whatever, maybe it's not so healthy, but
that's just the way it is. And then in terms
of my son, no, he is not interested in talking
to me, and it actually annoys me because I'm not
asking him crazy questions like I'm like, what was so,

(15:00):
how was your date Wednesday? And he'll give me this
look and I'm like, honey, I'm not asking you how
the sex was. I'm not asking you to like tell
me what happened when you whatever, I say something completely
inappropriate and he just gives me a dirty look. But
like I'm just saying, did you like her?

Speaker 2 (15:15):
You know?

Speaker 1 (15:15):
How did how did it go? But he really just
won't give up too much. But I try to also
advise my daughter, and because I did go through you know,
that whole world of dating and it can be very painful. Yeah,
so I definitely try to help to guide her, like

(15:35):
that whole phrase that came out how long ago sex
and sy like he just made he's just not that
into you. Like to learn that early if he doesn't
call you and you don't hear from him, or when
you do hear from him, he doesn't ask you questions
or like, he's just not that into you.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
I had a guy tell me that he could take
me out on it, he could meet up with me
on a Thursday Wednesday, but that his weekends are too
valuable and are just like are you do you even
understand what you're saying. See back in the day, would
have been like, Okay, what time Wednesday? Yeah, that is

(16:13):
so I think that's probably what I said. I mean,
that would have been so me.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
And that's why I don't want Rachel, you know, to
be like and but you have to live and learn that, right,
And it's very easy to get caught up when you
when your hormones are running wild and you meet somebody
and they're cute, and you want to convince yourself that
you know he is into you. And but I think
that guys and will again talk to the expert about it,
but just give off very clear signals.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah, yeah, I think. Well, you know, nowadays everyone is
more open and more vulnerable. I feel like men can
share their feelings more these days. Yes, you know, it's
very interesting. I don't I've only seen my father cry twice,
and I've only seen Evan cry once. Wow, yeah, I
haven't seen barely. Isn't that wild? I mean that's topic

(17:01):
for another time. But like, I just feel like men
nowadays are allowed to be more emotional. My son's cry.

Speaker 5 (17:07):
They cry all the time, of course, but they're so
baby they should be able to. Well, you know, I
have two sixteen year olds, and I'm so glad that
they feel like it's okay for them to cry.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Not only about like you know things that like Mom
won't let me stay out tonight, you know, but like
real things. They get upset about something and they feel
okay crying, And I you know, I don't think that
was true two generations ago, or even one generation ago.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
My kid is very sensitive. But if he even starts
to water up, like he's out of here, like he
does not want me to see him ever. Oh really, No, way.

Speaker 5 (17:43):
My kids will use my shirt as their tissues will.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Well, Rachel will do that too, yeah, yeah, yeah. And
also I'd feel like it's so tricky for them right
now because for my not your my kid's age, everyone
is thinking marriage. And when I say everyone, I don't
know about them as much. But like it's funny because
all my friends we all have kids around the same age.
So when one of the kids start dating someone, it's like,

(18:07):
oh my god, Okay, where is he from? What do
his parents do? Not what do his parents do? In
an anoxious way, but like tell me more about where
and where do they live, because you're thinking, well, my family,
I don't want I'm not going to fly across the
country to see the grandkids, like you.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Can't, you know what I mean? Like you like you
jump by eighteen steps ahead.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yes, yeah, you're like you know, I mean, for us,
a lot of times it's like is she Jewish?

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Is he Jewish?

Speaker 1 (18:32):
And I don't know my parents my kids will marry
someone Jewish, but it's just my instinct to ask, you
know you just like are they I check.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Out the parents now, because that's where your head goes,
like this is going to be my family, Yes, and
ideally you would want parents that like you can get
along with. Like this weekend for Mother's Day, we had
my parents over, we had Evan's parents over, and they
sit in there. They have a beautiful, nice, lovely relationship.
We don't encourage them to get together when we're not

(19:04):
like involved, because we feel like our relationship is secret
and we want to avoid any kind of right problems. Interesting,
but they have a beautiful relationship and they get along lovely,
and like I want that too.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
I want that too, but I think that relationship is again,
as we know that in law relationship is hard. I
mean I'm already, like I say to my son all
the time, like I'm just letting you know, like we're
getting Thanksgiving, Like I don't even want to hear it.
So you could tell her and like I'm already pissed
at her.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
You can tell her, Okay, so you're going to get
every Thanksgiving? Well that's what I want. I mean, we
go on and off, but the past few years we've.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
Well posted it's always at my house, like for my
my entire family, we always have like I don't know,
between thirty and forty people here.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Oh wow.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
But it's like the greatest, you know, day of the year. Yeah,
So I'm just teasing. Obviously, I'm gonna have to like
understand that everything is not just about me and my
baby boy.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
So I will, I will. You know, anyway, how do
we get here? We're talking about dating? I don't know,
we're talking about dating. We're talking about Patty's here. Okay, guys,
Oh yay, I'm so excited me too. All Right, guys,
so you know Patty from Millionaire Matchmaker. You're gonna know
her again from the Matchmaker. Let's bring her in. Patti Stanger.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
My god.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
We were talking about before you came on, how you
are for us. You're iconic, I mean yes, but like yeah,
but you're came way before us. You like you paved
the way. I mean, I just lived and died for
a Millionaire Matchmaker. It's just I absolutely loved it. I

(20:40):
feel like we're the probably.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
I don't hope.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
I'm not insulting you or Jackie and or You're younger
than me, but maybe around the same age. I'm fifty five.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
I'm way older, but that's okay. You're older than me, Yes,
I'm older, but I'm not telling.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
You I'm not asking you, but you look me. I
thought you were my age.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
But I'm saying because I used to watch and I
could like relate, you know, it was like we were
sort of were you a.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
Single when you watch? We single or married.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
When you watch?

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, I think I was single when I watched. I think, well,
how many years ago?

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Maybe not?

Speaker 3 (21:07):
It was so long ago, but I mean it was
off three seasons and I left. I left them for
legal reasons because they wanted my trademark and it just
didn't work out. And I had another offer, and I
went to the other offer, which now today I kind
of regret that I didn't stay the other office times
the amount of money and a lot more of money,
but it wasn't Bravo, and there is nothing like Bravo.

(21:30):
And when you jump to other networks, it's great, it's fine.
But coming home, like high school tonight, I felt like,
oh god, I miss it. I really missed Welcome See
it was the wild West when we were on, you know,
but I miss everybody that worked there. My cousin works
there now, so nice, Like yeah, my cousin works for
Kim mckaidor right now so Joe, so like yeah, so

(21:53):
it's kind of funny, it's kind of weird. And then
one of the production assistants is my one of my
good friends daughter who works on Embassy row for Andy show.
So it's like, yeah, like that sort of thing watching
the new shows come up.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Your new show's on CW, isn't it is on c W.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
It's a very different show. It can be us and
he tell us about it. You can watch this show
because it's basically about the patterns that we have we
keep doing over and over and again and nothing gets broken.
Talk therapy is not working. So I bring in all
these experts in that I know that it fixed my clients.
It's true to form, it's in real time. There's nothing

(22:33):
re enacted. We don't write a show and we take
these clients and some of them are celebrities and some
of them are regular people and they're not millionaires, maybe
a few, but not a lot, and the real people.
So it's really exciting that CW gave me this opportunity.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Why did you go from the format being, you know,
millionaire matchmaker millionaires to people that are.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Not I mean, first of all, the different show I realize, namely.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
The format reverted back to me, and I could have
done Millionaire Matchmaker anywhere I own the rights, but Bravo
is iconic with that, and I really wanted to help everybody,
like I didn't want you to have to come in
and you have to have a certain amount of money
for me to help you. So we're trying to come
with the show. So I had to come up with
another format with IPC where we really dug d. You know.

(23:25):
It's it's more of a therapy show. I call it.
I'm not a therapist, but I call it a healing show.
We're healing you of your problems and teaching the air
of your way so that when you get that final
date that I give you, it may not be the one,
but you will test out your skill set.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Now, do you feel like in your new show you
have to be more PC than you were years ago?
Because the world is.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Different network, I can't curse as much. Even though they
said okay, and they believe me, I'm more mellower since
since Brava and he asked me that, I said, I'm
way more mellower, and I'm much more deepfare a lot
more compassion, a lot more empathy. I would never call
a redhead out. Now. I think the men didn't like
the redheads, but I watch men who sound like X

(24:10):
and I yell at them because I'm angry that you
don't want this beautiful girl. And in a couple of
weeks up agoes back two weeks episodes, this guy was
using Instagram to get dates and he was pretending he
was giving them photoshoots, and I was super angry. I
said to the network, I don't want to do this.
They said, Patty, just go through the motion. You will
know what to do in the end and the audience
will respond. Well. I gave him the most gorgeous girl.

(24:33):
He now tells me she's not good enough, He's not
that hot, He's lying to women. I threw him out
of the house.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
I knew if he didn't play my game and didn't learn,
this was not going to work out. I just knew that.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
I think that's so interesting, and I think it must
be really difficult. I know that it is in today's
social media crazy world that we're living in to help people,
you know, match up. Because we were talking about before
you came on, a lot of these kids, not even kids,
older people are have become so dependent on these apps,

(25:09):
right on the hinges and tinders of it all. And
so it's I think that it's actually been really bad
for young men's self esteem. I think it's really it,
doesn't it.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Actually it's way worse for the women.

Speaker 6 (25:25):
There were more what I was asking, Yeah, men are
losers right now if you do not teach your teenage
sons to be a gentleman from the get go.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
This is where the problem is. The women are allowing
them kids to live at home, you know, like it's
cool to live at home now. And you know, when
I was doing a lot of work with the Persian
community back in La there were forty year old men
driving Mercedes, having gorgeous, gorgeous life clothes, fun living at
home with mommy. The girls had moved out. And I

(25:57):
go to do a speak engagement at Nessa this temple
and they're like, please tell us what to do. I'm like,
kick your sons out of the house. And they have it.
In Italy a big thing called gommami onis where they
live forever with their mothers. They never get married, they
sleep at the girl's house, they have sex, and they're
not men. So the problem starts with the men not
the women. The women said. The women sets the tone

(26:22):
of what she will accept, but it is up to
the men to ask the girl out. Now women are
scared of apps because the men are not being gentlemen.
There's a lot of married men online in relationships, gaslighting
and playing games. I'm not blaming all men. I'm saying
that the men need to be men in order to

(26:42):
get a woman, and that is the issue.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
My question is that because of social media though, and
it's people are not meeting like they used to. They
don't have they don't go to bars, and they don't
learn to socialize, and they don't learn to make eye
contact and put their phones down.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
And okay, so you're getting a couple, kid.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
I made fragrances for a couples, craverances, singles, gayer straight.
This is the energy when you go to the grocery store,
to Starbucks, whatever, you will stand there, do nothing as
a woman, because a woman's most potent when she's still.
But you can still use it to get jiggy in
the bedroom with your boyfriend. You will be attracted to
each other. So when you're talking about and going to
the bars, it's because you can't taste touchtel smell. That's

(27:25):
the bad part. But the men are using the apps
for entertainment. I tell a girl two three times say hey, listen,
I'm not going to be on the app much longer.
Here's my number if you want to meet me. Goodbye.
If the guy doesn't call, he's not your guy. The
guy calls, he's like, WHOA, No girl ever gave me
your number before. This is amazing, which happened with my
last boyfriend, because women just play games. But I said,

(27:46):
stop being entertainment for them. You are filling up their
left hand for them to go bigger. Better deal to
someone else, whether it's an X or someone new. You
don't want to do that. You need to see right
away is he interested in you? And as you're willing
to make a phone call, you have to hear his voice.
Women scientifically fall in love between their ears. Men fall

(28:07):
between their eyes. So if you don't hear his voice
on the phone, there's no game. So these women are
texting and they're like going on dates without even talking
to them or my favorite one in COVID was that
I have a boyfriend. Have you met him? No? Two
years they've been texting.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Do you feel like men now are not as interested
in settling down and having a family and children.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Okay, so for everyone out of ten there's a man
who wants to settle down. It's the green light theory
that they had on sex in the city. There are
men that want to settle down and there are men
who don't. Your job is to vet it. You got
to keep moving like a shark. Women fall in love
through oxytocin, taste, touch, smell, feel, hug me, kiss me.

(28:58):
I am now in love. That's why it's be careful.
If you have a lot of estrogen in your body
and you're not in menopause, you will get stuck to
a loser just by one decent orgasm.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Or hug wow.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Men fall in love through vassuppressing. They do not fall
in love through sexually. They have to be emotionally. What
is that doing things together, doing hobbies, interests, learning a skill,
and when stress comes, you bond together. During the stress,
he will go deeper, deeper, deeper, and if more vasa
pressed than he has, the more he's going to want

(29:28):
to marry you.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Peiser, You'll think that people like people say you have
to know if the man is ready or if he's
looking for even if he's not. Let's say that he
is a guy that doesn't want to get married. When
he meets the woman who you know, makes his eyes
pop out of his head, doesn't that change everything? Like
I feel like guys can say all the time, I'm
not ready to settle down. I just want to have

(29:50):
a good time until they meet the woman that blows
them away, and all of a sudden they are ready
for those things.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Well, there's two kinds of men. They're the men that
are hunting and looking for the wife. Everybody in my
group is married, my parents are married. I'm tired of dating.
Usually that light goes off and he's asking buyer's questions, Well,
where would you want to live if we got married?
What would you want to do? And he's asking them.
On the first and second date, you're getting interviewed, but
you don't really is it okay? And then there's the

(30:17):
man that's like, you know, I'm just moving along, I'm
getting late, I'm having a good time. I got a girlfriend,
and then boom, he meets another girl that is the
perfect thing on his wish lists. Maybe it doesn't even
check under the hood of the car and he's like,
she's the one, So they're visual, they see what they
want and they go after it. But if he's coasting

(30:39):
with an old girl that won't put up boundaries, he's
going to keep looking. That's the bad ratify. You can
never give a guy more than a year over thirty.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Do you think that it should be that a woman
has to put up Well, it is, I suppose, But like,
if he's not issuing to get married, I don't know,
a few months later and you have to then go
a year and then you start putting on bet do you.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Still want him? Like you don't, You're gonna not. Do
you want to feel like you're forcing someone.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
To marry you he's not invested in the experience of marriage,
then you're not going to want to be with him anymore,
you know. Like if he's okay, let's say he says
I want to get married, but then he does, his
actions don't match his words. You're not going to be
it now. The self esteem girl the high self esteem goes,

(31:27):
I don't want to be with you, and she closes
her legs. The other girl goes, well, wait a second,
you wanted me in the beginning. How do I get them,
I'm going to do all these I'm gonna turn myself
into every self up book. I'm gonna go to every seminar.
I'm going to do everything and make you. They think
they're going to make themselves sexual vicxins, and all of
a sudden, the guy's going to go, oh, by the
most amazing organism, let's go to the altered Oh my.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
God, that was me.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
How many hours did I spend getting ready for a
date with a guy that didn't like me? And I
put so much because if I got the hair blown
out and this outfit and the money and the and
it just didn't work.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
He just wasn't in me.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Is like with my ex boyfriend. I didn't like him
on the first date and I was thinking, Okay, I'm
not going to date him. And he felt the switch
and because he was a hunter, we go to the valet,
he pays the valet. He says, what are you doing
Saturday night? And I'm like, I don't want to go
out and he says, what about the Dodger game? I
have season tickets? And I was like, oh, that was
kind of like I make You're supposed to make a
list in when I teach people. I teach a course

(32:24):
called Love and Money with Kathleen Cameron, and I teach
my girls, make a list of the things you want
to do, so if the date goes south, you got
something out of it, Like I want to go to
the theater, I want to go to concert, whatever. So
Dodgers was on my list. I said, oh, may that's cool,
we go to Dodger game. Okay, I'll go And then
he kissed me on the lips. Didn't like him on
the date, didn't feel anything, and all of a sudden,

(32:47):
my body came to life because he wasn't my type totally.
He was a little out of the box. He's a
little aggressive, and I just went, WHOA is that? And
then he hunted me. It went wrong for various reasons
after ten months. But I was a great girlfriend and
he hunted me, and I could feel the hunt and

(33:08):
I feel he liked me, liked him, which turned me
on a little bit because my mother used to say,
as a Jewish mother, and my mom used to say,
have the guy elects you a little bit more, just
a little bit.

Speaker 5 (33:16):
Understand what that means later right, it.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
Didn't work out, but I learned so much at this age,
which I thought nobody could teach me anything that you're
still no matter that, still there's breath in your body,
You're still going to be learning about yourself and relationships.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Okay, so you said he was an ex though XX.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yeah he has a new girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Now, so you're you're dating now currently you're single and
you're dating just.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Started dating on the apps. I took a year and
a half break to heal myself. It was a traumatic.
He asked me to marry him and we need to
get engaged. I was really close to his family and
his kids. It was traumatic for me. Was exactly like
my dad. He was the father wound. And my dad
was a difficult person, and he is the father wound.

(34:00):
And when I went to therapy, I do healing therapy.
I don't do like talk therapy. I do body somatic stuff.
When I realized it, he was the mirror image of
my father. And I was trying to heal my father
like I was trying to heal my ex. There was
issues there. I don't want to stay in the air
for very straight. I don't want to hurt him.

Speaker 6 (34:18):
And so.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
He was the wound that I couldn't you know, clean
you have to understand I'm adopted. My mom was married
three times. She picked bad men, a lot of alcoholics.
My dad was an alcoholic and she she didn't give
us a safe environment. So we were always on edge,
always like quick, hurry up, hunt yourself, Dad's coming home.
We were scared all the time. And safety is a

(34:43):
big critical issue for me. I have to have safety
for me to spread my legs like I make them. Wait.
That's why there's no sex before monogamy, so that I
can see under the hood of the car. But again,
narcissists like my dad can cover their tracks and they
basically can be, you know, a chameleon. Oh you love this,
I love this. Yoh you want to do this. I
want to do this, And like you don't know that

(35:04):
they're they're playing you and gaslighting you. So when I
went through this traumatic experience, it said, this isn't a
time for me to Everyone's like, oh, go out there
and get another one. I'm like, no, I have to
heal myself. So I spent the whole year. I'm just
starting to date right now.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Wow. Good, And do you feel more secure? I think
I read somewhere that you you look like you're thirty five.
But I think I read somewhere that you're dating in
your early sixties, So.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Thank you, Katie. I heard husband on the air the way.
David Yatip's my friend.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Oh yes, I remember him being on your show. I do. Yeah,
he's a good guy.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Oh oh, oh good.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
It's true. It's true. But I mean I really I
feel safer in one way that I know myself, but
I worry about who's out there. You know, you meet
these people in the apps and they're randoms like you
don't know. So my best friend is Bonnie Winkler. She's
the big New York time. Yes, yeah, I trained, we
go way way back. She said, I'm getting you married

(36:05):
this year. And so she just started fixing me up.
And the first guy should fix me up with his
next NFL player. And I said, he's cute, but he's
a little Massachusetts boring, like pep preppy. I'm not a
preppy girl. I said, give him to Shannon and it'll
be perfect. So we're fixing up Shannon with him.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Shannon. Oh, I love that. Oh that's amazing.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Yeah, because I really want Shannon to.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
You know what I was saying to Jackie earlier, again
before you came on that if I was single right
now at fifty five, I think I would do it
so much better because I just know so much more.
And the way that I think I would approach it
would be I would go out with whomever, assuming that
that wasn't going to be the one, Like I would
go out saying, Okay, I'm just going to make a friend.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
Well that's that's the way you're dating is the way
it should be. And my body doesn't respond sexually like
it did one. Okay, let's talk about dirty thirties. When
I was in my thirties, even I got monogamy. I
always get monogamy. I was a sexual evictionent, Like the
minute I saw the guy, even though I made him wait,
I wanted to sleep with him. You know, my hormones

(37:08):
ruled the roost, you know. And so now that I'm
older and i'm you know, menopause whatever, I realize my
brain is working differently. I'm qualifying them more like a
business deal to see, like is this a compatible match?
Because you really want compatibility. At the end of the day,
It's not about red carpets and travel. It's about staying
home and cooking and what TV show you're gonna watch,

(37:28):
Like Real time talking? Do we connect and talk? Do
I like a smell? Do I love his touch? Like
sex can be awful in the beginning, but you really
like someone and you're gonna work on the body maneuvering.
You know, there's millions tonsure, there's a million things you
can do. So the thing is you're looking for a
compatible match. I'm also an astrologer, so I do look
at astrology and there's things like that. I do have

(37:51):
psychic energy. I read the psychic vibes of someone.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Is this whole thing?

Speaker 3 (37:56):
But I make mistakes and when I love someone and
they hurt me, it's hard for me to get over them.
And just I'm gonna move on to the next person. Person,
I'm like to lick the wounds and hide in the closet.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
You know, do you so say the people asking you
about like this is your job? So like a doctor, right,
like you don't want all the pay, you don't want
your patient saying, well, you know, tell me about your
stuff and your medical conditions.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
I'll tell you why. So I did a problem where
I dated down financially and it's not for me, and
I couldn't find the cute guy that I like sexually
that had the money. I couldn't find the mismatch. There's
something in my brain that couldn't register that. Also, I
moved to the West Coast away from I probably would
have been married, had kids in Jersey if I stayed
in Jersey. And the men are quite different here than

(38:40):
either alpha. They go after it. They're not like that
back in the West Coast that the women run. So
I dated down. That caused me a lot of problems.
In the beginning, it wasn't a big deal, but then
they resent your success. My last boyfriend said to me,
I was intimidated by your success, and I never knew it.
The whole time. I was datium because I wasn't working
and I didn't get my show to the end of relationship.

(39:01):
So I thought, am I ever going to get back
on the air. I'm gonna have to focus on my
regular business, maybe get into the pheromohone business, like I
wasn't thinking I was going to go back on TV,
and so he said he was intimidated. He also, I
leave a very healthy lifestyle. He likes to drink, so
he said, you know, I'm nervous about your healthy lifestyle, which,
by the way, he lost twenty pounds because of me,
and I cleaned him up, and so he asked me

(39:22):
to marry him. So I had everyone asking me to
marry him. I chose not to cross that street. Like
he said, let's get engaged, let's move in together, and
I said, okay, let's see what happens. And I was
very cautious about it. As I get older, you get
more cautious. So it wasn't like I don't get offers.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
I just have no.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
And I feel like I've heard you say that before,
but it just must be so tedious to have, Like
you know, you're sitting there, you're helping people.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
It's not that can't be an easy thing.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
It used to hurt me when I was on a
millionaire match making sure I became my metric or engaged.
I came on at the end of it. I lived
with my ex David a different day of it, and
then I went to Wei and we I was single,
so it was like I'd gotten it over and over again.
And you know, if financially it's not like if even

(40:11):
if they make less money, there are certain things that
I want, like what Amanda's doing from Summerhouse, who was
on Watch what Happens with Me? She said, you know,
cafes all the bills, but I buy the groceries, and
you know, I get him this and I do that,
and it's kind of like what I wanted, you know.
And it was hard to find because La doesn't have
a Wall Street so they don't make serious money. And

(40:32):
if they're an agent or a director or producer, they're
dating twenty two year olds, so they're not They're immature
in their mindset, where in New York you could be
at a seven or eight but curing cancer and the
men think you're amazing because they're intelligent. Here. You know,
there's a lot of intelligence. I think also after October seventh,
a lot of the Jewish women like me who are
single or scared, we had like talks about, you know,

(40:56):
should we all go get guns and learn how to shoot?
And you know, there's not that man protecting us, which
you guys have as husbands, which you know, even if
you're more alpha than them, you still got a man
in the bed at night, which gives you oxytocin, serotonin, dopamine,
and you get ready step for your day. We don't
have that unless you probably have.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Does that make you want it? Does that make you
want to date Jewish men? What happened October seventh? Does
that make you want to find a Jewish man?

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Or are you still I've only dated gentles?

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yeah, in the sense that our so our podcast, we
always focus on women of a certain age, right, like
our age, so the three of us. But in terms
of meeting people now and I don't know, does the
show doesn't focus on any particular age, right.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
You're fixing up.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
People that are getting back in the game for the
first time. I don't I didn't follow the episode this
week or whatever. But there was a woman a couple
of weeks ago with gray hair who'd never been out
of the house and terrified. And there's been women that
have been raped on the show. There have been women
who've been left at the altar on the show. There's
like really cases because when you go to their history,
you're like, how did you how did you survive that?

Speaker 1 (42:05):
You know, like, do you do you have different do
you give different advice though a women of a certain age,
So if somebody comes to you single around our age,
and we always say that our range is like from
Jackie's forty seven on fifty five, but let's say from
forties up into the sixties, Like what what how would
you treat a female client differently that's someone in that
age range as opposed to a younger.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
First of all, it depending on five to do a makeover.
We start with a makeover, but then we go back
and we look at their history on the intake, and
then I figure out where did the did the love
life go wrong? Because it's a mindset thing. So you
could say I'm too fed, I'm too old, I'm to this,
and then the mindset takes over, and you know, law
of attraction says what we focus on gross, So I'm like,

(42:47):
we've got to change your mindset. So I said, we
got to look at other people like you who are
getting what you want. So we look at evidence. We
look at for evidence, whether it's somebody on TV or
a friend in the group. Like if a fifty five
year a woman just got married and I said, okay,
well then why did she get married? She better than you,
So I have to build their confidence up. After the confidence,
we then do the makeover and we put them on

(43:08):
a date, and then I refine them as they go
because there are men that want women like them. This
business that men only want younger women is bullshit. I
only date younger and they're only attracted to me. I
try to date older. No older men picks me. It's
always the younger guys.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
I've tried.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
Just trying a guy up. Bonnie's trying is trying to
fix me up with some money from Miami, because I
love South Florida because I grew up there. Half the
time I went to univers to Miami, and the guys
older than me for the first time because I was
engaged to someone older, I live with someone younger, and
that was kind of the turn. Because the men online
are letting themselves go. The women look fabulous, and you

(43:46):
look at these pictures. You're like, like, you know, I
got to go through a thousand people. When AI takes over,
we will have AI matchmakers and I can retire.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
When you have to deal with an older woman and
you say makeover, So women of a certain age, like,
what does that look like?

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Makeover? We're going to do a physical makeover and a
mental make up. So we're going to do look at
their physical body. Do they need to lose weight? Do
they need to work out, they need to change their
hair color, do they need to put on a dress?
You know there are people that are like live in
their house brows, let their gray hair go, and they
expect a man's going to be attracted at ment or visual.
There's nothing I can do. I can't change that. We're
going to make the best version of them, and then

(44:29):
we're going to do a mental internal makeover of to
what they're thinking, feeling, re enacting, still stuck on the X,
still angry at the AX. We have to go through
forgiveness for the AX and say, doesn't mean you're you're
condoning his behavior, but you must forgive him because forgiveness
is for you or you're going to get cancer for.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
The physical makeover piece. Have you put anyone on a
weight loss drug yet?

Speaker 3 (44:51):
No? But I take tars Okay. So I was on
a zempic. I was the first one. It was in
the Wall Street Journal. It's ever Yeah, well they celebrity
wise because I was willing to talk about it. I
have no fear talking about anything I do. So I
was in the Wall Street Journal article and then I
was on the Hulu documentary. I didn't even know, David
and I were. I broke the news on David Shows

(45:13):
show and then everybody was in shock, and I hated
it got me nauseous to call my doctor. Said this sucks.
I'm never doing this again. She says, I have a
better one. She goes, your cholesterol's fine line, you know,
because I've genetic cholesterol. And I said, I'm gonna put
you on terror zip Tide.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
I put it on which is that one? That's which
one is that?

Speaker 3 (45:32):
That's in my journal? But it's the ingredient. It's not
so I can make the vile go up and down like.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
It's not. But I'm saying it's like that. It's like
the that's the ingredient.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
It's not. Everybody's got to stop saying they're the same. Okay,
every single actress and every single person in Hollywood is
on the drug. It's terror zip Tide because the other
ones make you sick. Okay, So this is reducing the cholesterol.
It's burning the fat. A zepicch does not burn fat.
Zepic just makes you film. This makes you full. It's
also curing Alzheimer's disease, and it's curing addiction. It's completely different. Drug,

(46:12):
but I get the vile from my doctor and then
I can go up and down. So if I don't
want to go on let'sn't want to go on an
eating binge for two weeks. I can do that and
go back, you see, and I'm not going to get sick,
so I skip weeks. I'm at twenty five units. I'm
at a very low dose and it's helping my cholesterol
because I don't want to go on statons.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
So would you put anybody? Would you recommend that to
any of the like I'm taking me to every single
or no, I'm saying to people on your show who
have to do a physical makeover, is it do you
feel like it's a different world show.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
I didn't do that on the show, but they asked
me after we filmed what I was on, and I
told them I wouldn't. That would be that would be
a c W legal question because I don't hop if
I can. You know, I don't know what this.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
But I think I'm just thinking about pysical makeovers, physical makeovers.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
Yeah, but well I'm Eboddy asked me what I'm on now?

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Today?

Speaker 3 (47:07):
You heard Kelly Clarkson say she's on something by on
that I don't know if she's on it, but she's
on something, but she's not on nozempic because everybody gets
sick on ozempic. I personally think this one is the
game game changer, and there will be more ones that
come down the pike. The key is where sugar is
the secret. Insulin resistant is the problem. But to get
your cholesterol inline and to burn a fat and not

(47:30):
eat as much at the party, I don't drink. I'm
ten years sober because I have headaches. I have the
same thing Margaret House, okay, and we can't drink and
so drinking. I tell them, get off, get off drinking.
You want to feel good, get off drinking, Eat organic foods, okay,
walk ten thousand steps a day. Like I teach them
what to do, but what they choose to do is

(47:51):
a whole different story. I can't make them do it
because we only have forty two, you know minutes in
an episode. There are two people and I shoot her
for three days.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Yeah's your work. Chemistry with Nick Vial is that he
say it Viel.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
He's very different than me, and I picked him for
that reason because I want wanted him to challenge me
a little bit. He's like Matthew Hussey, you know, he
went through his boy stage, probably on The Bachelor. He
picked his wife. She went into his DM. She's quite
younger than him. She was very worried about it. But
they're a great couple. They have a gorgeous kid. They're
perfect for each other. And he is a softer approach.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
You know.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
There was a moment where I screamed and he squeezed
my leg and I said, Nick, it's a TV show
I have to get you know, I'm gonna get readings
here like this is and I want to scream because
the guy's an asshole. And Nick's like, oh, can't we
just be mellow of that? I'm like, now we cannot.
This is the show.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
And he's adorable.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
He's so cute, handsome, he's kind, and he's all that.
You know.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
I love that love that. Can I ask about one
celebrity relationship that just confuses the hell out of me,
Ariana Grande and Ethan Slater. What is that and will
it last?

Speaker 3 (48:57):
The rumor is her ex cheated? Oh and so I
think she needed a best friend to cry on, and
she is. If you know anything about Wicked, this was
Arianna Grande's dream of all dreams. When she attends. She
saw the show She Knows Kristin Adina Forever. She'd a
special with them and they said, what do you want

(49:17):
to play? You know, and she wanted to play Glinda.
I mean it was obvious, but when they gave her
the role, I think she went so immersed into this
role that she was husband cheating the rumor. And she
met Ethan and maybe he wasn't getting along with his wife,
and they bonded a lot of times. It's not like
the best looking guy in the room, or it's not
the you know, smartest guy in the room or whatever

(49:40):
it is, but there's the friendship factor where they spend
every day doing X, Y Z, and then the movie's over,
and then you don't you miss the person that you
put so much intensity into. It'd be like, okay, it
doesn't soaking over and you go your separate ways.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
It does it last when you go in just out
of like a place of like heartache and eating something.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
You know, sometimes your soulmates happened when you're with somebody else.
Torri and Dean had that. Even though they broke up,
they were together for years, you know, it's just chemistry.
But yeah, but the truth is, if I was giving
advice to anybody, I'd say, chemistry needs to settle down.
And when you got under the hooded car, is he kind?
Is he sweet? Is he there for when you need them?
And if she's getting emotional connection, this is the reason why.

(50:22):
And I love areas good. Yeah, I'm just I am
so excited for this movie. It's my favorite show of
all time. And I'm also a witch. I've been practicing
witch since I'm sixteen.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Really, okay, that's a little scary, you know, it's been real.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
I study with Patty Nagri, who's my apprentice and my priestess,
who's on Ghost you know, Ghost Adventures. She is the
medium which on that biggest witch in the United States.
She's one of my best friends. And but I only
do good things. I'm a white witch.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
I don't say good, good, good good. Listen, we got
enough problems in Jersey. I am so excited about I'm studying.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Right now with the Romanian Witches, which are the biggest
witches in the world. Patty just went to meet with
them and you can catch them on YouTube and they're amazing.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
And here I thought the biggest witches in the world
New Jersey, right, So.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
Romanian witches do major witchcraft, dark magic and light magic
to get rid of ancestral spells, like we all have
ancestral lineage, and they clean up your vibration and they
clean up the path so that the next generation doesn't
repeat the patterns of the sins of the Father. And
they're fantastic witches. They're working on me right now. They're amazing.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Give them our number, Let's get them on the pod.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
Them on your show. They're on YouTube. I'll try to
find them and I'll.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Say, please do fascinating. Well, congratulations on your new show.
We are so excited to.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
On your podcast.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Thank you, Thank you so lovely talking to you and
meeting you.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Oh my god. I feel like she said a lot
of things that I'm going to think about in the
car ride home.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
She was giving us so much so quickly. I couldn't
almost like start to take it all in absorb it.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Yeah, but I still maintain that She'm glad that I'm
not in the dating pool.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Right, Yeah, yeah, me too. She's very she is very charismatic.
There's something about her that you're just like I. I
just sort of because I just sort of felt like
I was in a trance.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Well, she's very confident, Yes, she's definitely very confident. She's
got a lot going on.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Yeah, but just you know, a lot of like at
our age, I feel like, how important is the physical
make over at this point?

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Does it really matter?

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Question?

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Yeah? Because witchcraft, I know that there's like they're witch Well,
I'm not judging her. I think it's amazing when you
find there's because they're like, right, there's witches and that
they're dark. I think they're involved in like the dark.
I don't I.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Don't know if that necessarily means bad magic, but sort
of like for what it does for me is absolutely nothing.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
I don't. It creeps me out. I have no interest.
So the only time I would like us to have
someone on, I think I know that woman Carlton right,
Carlton Gebbia, I don't know. On Beverly Hills, like eighteen
seasons ago, she was a witch. I don't know. I
mean she she did like some kind of I can't
remember what it was called, but it was some kind
of witchcraft. Is it witch is psychic? Is that kind
of the same things? Everybody who can.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
I guess it's somebody who maybe the people that get
the little things that the people and they put the
pins in them.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
No, that's voodoo. That's voodoo. Is that a witch?

Speaker 4 (53:15):
Though?

Speaker 1 (53:15):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
I don't think so. I don't know. Well, I think
that's a just it's not nice to do that. Yeah,
I don't think that's not nice, none of them. That's true.
I tried exactly, just kidding. Well, anyway, this was wonderful.
I really enjoyed talking to her. And I want to
watch the show. So the show, her new show, The Matchmaker,
is on the c W and Thursdays at eight pm,

(53:38):
So I'm going to watch. I'm going to watch too.
I'm actually very excited about it. And uh yeah, okay,
John Fessler, all right, you guys.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
Jackie Goldschneider, you guys, thanks for listening. As always, we
appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
See you next time.