September 23, 2025 • 46 mins
Teddi and Erika kick things off by unraveling the mystery behind Slade Smiley’s production company.
Then, when Heather opens up about Tamra, it brings up a flashback for Teddi… one that ends in tears because of Erika.
Plus, Erika reveals which RHOC Housewife she wants to hear sing—and no, it’s not Tamra or Gretchen!
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Hi, guys, welcome to another episode of Diamonds in the
Rough with myself Teddy Mellencamp and.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Hi, I'm Erica Jane. And you have a smile in
your face and you feel better.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I feel better today. I can't even I'm so excited.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Thank god, because you were low.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I was on the low low low. Yeah, I'm definitely
feeling better. I have energy, my sister's coming to visit,
I have a lot of things to look forward to.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
All these things are good. Yeah, you look and feel
a lot better.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yeah, I'm happy for you, Thank you, thank you. I mean,
I don't look as hot as you. Erica walks in
and I go, damn, girl, where are you going after this?
And she goes the dentist.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
The dentist, Well, look, I mean, if you'll remember a
couple episodes back, my dentist did come up and talk
to me and didn't realize who I was, meaning that
he didn't because I go in there looking crazy. But
I don't know, I just felt like I needed to look.
You know how, sometimes you need to dress up for yourself. Yeah,
it's one of the I know it's not like I'm
decked out, but I just needed to pull it together
(01:13):
just to feel something.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah, I need to probably do that sometimes soon.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I think, well, you did it at the wedding and
then you got COVID, so hold on one second, like
we're gonna have something else for you to go to that.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah, that I can razzle dazzle up. Yeah, yeah, gotta
get my hair done soon. Question do you think I
should get just some hot low lights and highlights?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
What's the goal blonde or what?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
I think it's blonde, but I don't know that I
like the all bleached blonde, like I'd rather now that
it's growing into a pixie, have some dark roots.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
But also, well, I think the thing that you're thinking
about is not one tone. Yeah, so I don't know
if it's low lights or or highlights or dark roots.
Like I there are a couple different ways to go,
but I don't think you need to be and because
it's it's a real look to be one color.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, you know, and I think one color when my
hair grows as fast as it's been growing, which is nice.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
A lot of upkeep, but it's a lot of a
lot of upkeeping. You don't need that, so let's find
a solution.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
I'm thinking like remember when Drew Barrymore had that pixie
cut and it was like it was kind of rudy.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, and in the nineties. Yeah, yeah, I like that.
I like that for you. I like, I love a
pixie out.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Of pixie you did. I need to see a picture.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I've like, not shaved my head, but closely cut my
hair twice twice.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Did you ever do it again?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
No? No, too old my hair for ature. I'll tell
you why. Today we were blowing my hair out and
Lia's like, hey, like you got a lot of breakage. Like, yeah,
I know. And it's just like when you shoot the
season of Housewives trying to like do interesting shit, your
hair gets fucked up. Yeah, my hair needs a rest.
(03:00):
I know.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Do you have any sensis a now or no?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
No, it's like maybe a clip in but I don't.
But like you don't have no keratins or anything. No,
but my hair is not I think. I mean, I
hate to say this, but when you go through menopause
your hair gets a little bit weaker.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yes, you know, well I thought I was going through menopause,
but I started my first time having my period again.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Oh from all of the uh stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yes, it's been almost a year and three days ago.
I was like, which is probably also why I was
feeling even worse. Yes, and then I was like, she's back.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Well wait, hell, dore you.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I'm forty four.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Oh you're fine.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Yeah, but I thought it was gone ers.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I mean, well, I can't imagine all the stress and
all this stuff would take it away.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
But they're saying that that's good news because it means
that my hormones are starting to like level out.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
It does.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I'm like, oh great, but here we go. She's back.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Well that's okay.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
But I like that I have the energy because this
we have a lot to get through.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Okay, let's get through it. Let's start. Let's start episode.
What is this eleven? This is episode eleven, Episode eleven,
Guys eleven.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
But before we even get into the episode, we have
two little things that kind of we're all over the
internet that we must discuss.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
So Georgio says that's his Instagram name. He did a
post and he was talking about Slade Smiley's website for
his alleged production company, Yes Grayson Entertainment LLC. Georgio saw
a lot of red flax.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yes It says that Grayson Enterprises. Is it Grayson Entertainment
or Grayson Enterprises. Okay, So Slade lists out networks that
this production company has allegedly worked with, sort of like
History Channel, CBS, Bravo, and NBC. So and Georgio did
say this because I watched. He was like, hey, these
(05:00):
are some big, big networks. Obviously, the Bravo NBC thing, like, okay,
you know I could see where you would first off,
I first off, what are you doing? What productions are
you doing? But okay, the Bravo NBC thing, like I
can see the History Channel and CBS.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
History Channel on CBS.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I mean, where does that fit right now?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
All we're finding is that there was a podcast that
this company was a part of and it says I'm
Not Too Taboo, a podcast with Gretchen and Slade, which
was on Amazon. It's the only thing that Georgia saw
that Grayson Entertainment has produced. Also on the team page.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
I mean are these stock photos?
Speaker 1 (05:41):
They are stock photos?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yeah? And here's the thing, guys, like, I mean, not the.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Stock stock photos and not only that, and then one
page is just a template like it says like insert
your caption here.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I saw that too. Does that mean? This is how
I'm curious how Georgio ran up on this? Has anybody
else come up with has this been discussed before? I
don't want let me know, let us know in the
comments or or if not, how did Georgio run up
on this?
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Well, because then he also looked up and saw Grayson
Entertainment belongs to an l else of another couple in
Mayes also says business has been suspended since taxes were
not paid.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Good old FTB. Honey, h well, it's pretty dead. Let
me be fucking with them. You're fucking with the FEDS
or the FTB, and you know why. I'm rolling my eyes.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
But it's pretty clear why Gretchen is the one who
has it's in charge of the.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Bills, the bills. Has slave filed for bankruptcy? Do we know?
I mean I think somebody would have said it by now,
like you filed for bankruptcy? Is he? Can you? I
know that if you do a bankruptcy that child support
is a non dischargeable debt, no record.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
No record bankruptcy.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Okay, but how does he.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
That's event?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
And as we get on into the episode, we see
like what is his income? Where does it come from.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
What is he doing on a day to day basis right?
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Like, how is he paying four things? Or is she
which her answer, Gretchen's answer at the sleepover with Heather
and Emily led me to believe that she is a
number one the breadwinner, the soul breadwinner, and number two
obviously paying for all the stuff, which is.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Fine, which is fine, which is fine.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
If that works for you, go out and say it
like that. But yeah, if that because she didn't want
to answer it, but somebody's going to answer it for you,
I'm afraid, so just say, yeah, I do it.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah, I'm in charge of the finances. He helps me
manage my life and take care of my daughter.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I do like the fact that she has not married him,
and that to me is a little bit of a
flag for me, like, eh, you didn't marry him. Yeah,
So does he have judgments? Does he have debt that
she doesn't want to take on? Probably maybe I'm speculating.
Don't get mad at me, you put it on TV.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
But I hope that she's not just letting him run
her finances.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Well as somebody who did trust and got fucked. Gretchen,
I hope you're not doing that. No, she said she
has all of her own line. Wait does she said
they had a joint account.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
No good, They've never had a joint account.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
And she's always kept her own money. And she did
say I didn't want a man to financially control me,
which I think is wonderful.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Very smart, wonderful. I kept mine all separate.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
I remember you selling you telling us that, Yeah, you
kept all of your separate. Super smart. Yeah. So let
me ask you this, like, and I think that this
came up on the show, like who paid for the grocery?
I know it's a stupid thing, but like, who would
go to Gelsonstone here and buy groceries? So how does
that work out? Like? You do you have a signed
for us?
Speaker 1 (08:56):
We had one, We still do. We have one joint
card that is for the kids only. You see what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I don't because I've never had to do this and
clearly I'm a ding don.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
So we have one. It's called a divvy card, okay,
And a certain amount is put on there a month
and that's for like the kids' expenses.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Right, so the two of you could contribute the same
amount to that.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Edwin pays for that and then I pay for any
we quickly go over the divvy.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
But like he's paying the school tuition, Edwin, Okay, he's
paying the mortgage is split.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Right now, Edwin, right, and then I pay for all
of the extras.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
So like right now it's Rosa Shanna. So our kids
aren't in school, so like they're at the jumpy place,
so you're playing for the jump place. Okay, cool birthdays,
those types of things. I mean, Edwin has always been
the bread winner with us, but I've always kind of
kept my money separate. If it's something that I wanted
to do, I did it.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
But I'm sure you probably contribute to the household and
to all of the expenses in finance.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yeah yeah, And I mean I'm sure this will all
change as things go on, of course, but this is
how it was. This is how it was, and so
we're trying to keep everything the same way it was before.
I like that, and I'm just trying.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
To now, yeah, let's just keep it how it's going.
It's running, it's manageable.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
It's yeah, and I'm just trying to be a little
bit smarter with my money. Now.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Well, yeah, I mean, you know, here's the thing. We
all want to be independent, we all want to control
these things. But you know, being adulting is hard.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Adulting is hard. It is hard, and especially when you
have multiple kids at all different ages. But I can
say this, it was very easy for me to answer
that question. Yes, Why was it so hard for Gretchen
to answer.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
This because she's paying for everything? Because it was easy
for me to say, oh, no, Tom, Tom definitely the
bread winner, and I gave every check I ever had
back to him. Now what he did with it, clearly,
we don't know. But that's how it was. You know,
that was Tom's house, it was Tom's firm, it was
Tom's stuff. Yes, every job I got, I gave him
the money.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
But you know, other than that, but it's pretty easy to.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Explain pretty much what's going on around here.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Yeah, it's pretty easy to explain. This next one is
an Instagram story. I feel like we're going to start
getting a lot of.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
These ready for the reunion.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Yeah, so Jen Pradonci did one of those Q and
a's and she somebody said, are you ready for the reunion?
And she responds, sure, I just show up the day
of the reunion. I know some people plot and plan
for months. I don't do that. Let's just address all
the matters that need to be addressed and hopefully try
to move on. I'm sure some will try to unearth
(11:40):
skeletons on people. I have zero interest in all of that.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
What is your take on that?
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Well, my take on that is I watched the last
reunion and I don't remember her just coming in and
moving right on from things interesting. So if that's what
she's her plan is this season, then let's see how
that goes.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Well. I think there are different levels, and I think
that we both have experience in this talking about a reunion.
And please, if you've never done a reunion, keep your
comments to yourself, because you don't know what it's like.
You don't not only the women who are on these
shows that actually sit down there know what the feeling
is you are watching it. We actually do it. So
(12:20):
I'm real confident when I say this. We all know
people who do plot and plan. There are others that
come in that are like, hey, I don't feel as
if I have to answer for much this year. It
was pretty straightforward. So I think that everyone's reunion quote,
let's just say prep can be different based upon what's
(12:44):
going on this season. But there are those who take
time to really go in and think that it is
a full court press to really get at or make
up for, or hit back at things that you.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Know or not necessarily things that most of the time
you have to prep for because you know it.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yes, you do know it, but there are some things
that people will throw at you and you're like, I
wasn't even thinking about that, and I've moved on from that,
Why haven't you?
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yeah? But were you somebody that would go back and
you know, like the day before when they'd send like
five or six episodes to watch right before the union,
did you watch or you just were.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Like when I first started, the answer was yes. Now
I look at key things that I think will be
into you know, at this point, because I have a
lot of experience, I pretty much know where the questions
are going to go just based on what you're seeing,
and then you can go, m hmm, this is probably
nine times out of ten you're going to get a
(13:45):
question about this. Yes, So what is your answer and
remind yourself of what was shown to the audience versus
what you remember. And also, if you're going to get
into a squabble and other people were there, you can
also look at them and say, I think you were there.
(14:06):
Do you remember it going down this way? Because sometimes
when you're the lone voice in the woods and you're
fighting it out with somebody or you're having a disagreement
and others were present, you can say, I'm pretty sure
that these people saw this as well. Do you have
anything since this is what we're here to do, do
you have anything to say about this?
Speaker 1 (14:26):
So we'll see, we'll see, we'll see. Well, I'm excited
you realized that I never even watched last season of
Beverly Hills because I was in the hospital.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Thank god, I mean not that you were in the hospital,
but thank god you didn't watch. You know who cares?
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Ah, So I'm gonna have to go back. That gives
me an idea.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I need to tell me.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I need to go back and like binge this season
because I'm going to have to be recapping.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Well, just call me and ask me what you need
to know about last season, not this season.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Clarity, Yeah, last season.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I can tell you exactly. Well, let me see what
am I thinking where I'm thinking this is going this year?
And obviously I don't know, I only know what I shot.
I think once you watched last season, you'll be pretty
it's it's not going to be a couple of things
you may be confused about, but that's it.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I'll be able to pick it up.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, I think so, you'll be able to pick it
up real quick. Okay, No, it's nothing there. You may
have one or two questions that you'd like me clarity on,
but that's it.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Yeah, okay, Yeah, we're back into Macula. Gina mentions that
she didn't like how Tamar shit on Shannon last year
for her drinking and now takes her away to have
(15:44):
a drink.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
I agree, I didn't like it either. Where either're going
to You can't call somebody an alcoholic and then offer
them a drink. Let's go get a drink and then
say something later. Tamra says something like well, and I'm paraphrasing,
so don't fuck me up, something like, well, she she
knows how much she can drink or whatever she's doing,
she's in am I right on that, like she's in
recovery or something like that. Was something like that, and
(16:06):
I don't like that, like.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
She said, Tamra said something along the lines of like,
I think drinking as Shannon's love language.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Hmm. I think that was a quote, right, But we
don't need to be encouraging that love language. No, you know,
she hit a house. Did we ever find out about
the molar?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
The molar's been gone for a while.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
But why not get a new mollin?
Speaker 1 (16:26):
But why not let us know since last pod that
we did?
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah, just reach out to us, let us know, ladies.
I may have hit the house, but I was missing
the teeth before that.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
But yeah, just let us let us let some girls
know so we can talk about it.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
But I don't. I would not if I were Tamara,
and I really felt very strongly about what I said
last year about calling her an alcoholic. I would not
offer her drinks or encourage her to drink because it
seems uh counterintuitive and mean, it's not good, it's not great,
it's not good. Then you draw her back into a
thing because you know she's nine times out of tang
(16:59):
gonna take the drink, and then you know, and it's
going to come back, because it's just it's the same
old cycle. You either want to break this cycle and
move on or you don't. And the way you don't
break it and continue it is by talking about drinking
or encouraging her to drink or talk about her she.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Probably if she wanted that drink, she was gonna go
get it regardless.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Right, So Tamar didn't need to help her. Yeah, so
there you go.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
So I think that was like one of those things
they left, Uh what was it, psychic? Yeah, they left
the not the psychic. It was like the voodoo person.
And then they're like, what should we do and that's
where they want to go get drinks.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, so y'all don't need to be fucking with voodoo.
By the way, that ship can be very spiritually. You
can open some spiritual warfare if you fuck with the
wrong people. Don't do that.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
No things on the Then Tamar asked Shannon what she
can do to make things better, and Shannon says time
is what she needs.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Well, that's all we have, but some of us. So
it's dark, but it's good.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
You know what what it is.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
It is what it is.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Then we panta Heather telling Emily and Gretchen that Tamara
can be mean when she's upset, and Heather has had
difficult people like that in her life.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
You know what Heather, I soldiered for you last week
when I said you weren't afraid of her, and then
this week you said you were and it it's because
of your dad, and I was like, damn it.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
I know. She brings up her dad, who would have
outbursts in public and he would have random explosions, And
then she wanted Tamar to understand that sometimes she acts
that way and makes her feel uncomfortable because of her
I wish she would have said that to Tamora.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I wish you would have said that to Tamara, and
also in the moment, and it would have explained why
she's quiet or she tries to make it go away.
And then if you say that in the moment, it's
far more effective you say it to the person. It's like, look,
when you do that, it scarce a shit out of me.
I'm gonna tell you why my dad did this, and
it would make me so crazy. So when you do that,
(19:07):
it just doesn't. It's not like Tamra's fault, but it does.
I've noticed this too. We do. And I don't want
to get all like therapy on us, but we do.
We take things that happened to us, like patterns that
we've unknowingly created and they do affect us late.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, and I mean even going back of a jillion
years to the time you made me cry. Yes, it
really had nothing.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
To do with nothing to do with me. It's how you.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yeah, it's how I perceived one like yeah, like just
that little snap mm hmm. It was something from like
my childhood, right. I don't like being snapped at, right,
and so I went into.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
A full like right exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
It was back to being a little kid.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
And that's what happens to a lot of us.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
And I wish I would have had the wherewithal to say, then, hey, Erica,
I'm not even upset the way you just talk to me.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
It really has more to do with yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Don't know how to process when people talk to me.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
And I would have said, like Jesus, like well fun, yeah,
you know, because and also too, like I'm so glad
that I almost said that my life fell apart. But
I am kind of glad that my life fell apart.
And I'll tell you why because it forced me to
go on a journey and look at my whole life.
And now, if someone said something like that to me,
if you said, hey, I don't like I would be like,
oh my god, how irresponsible, and I'm not responsible for
(20:24):
everybody's you know, you're not responsible for But I would
have been far more understanding and been like, you know what,
I I'm sorry for that, Like I didn't, that was
not my intention. And I'm snapping, by the way, I'm
snapping because of some shit in my Yeah, I mean, well,
just repeating old ass patterns, y'all.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
And then we're just reacting to what we feel in
the moment.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Instead of thinking about it.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Instead of being like, this isn't a big.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Deal, This isn't a big deal. Let's take a step back,
not react in the moment and say, wait a minute,
what's really going on here? But also too, that's why
you like the show?
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Yeah, but I wish I do wish she had said
that to tam Tama. I wish she would have said
it to Tamra, because I didn't like the way she
said it to those two, in particular.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
What you mean that she said it to them or
the way she said it to them both interesting.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
And especially without having said it to Tama, For.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I would prefer that she had said it to Tama.
Not looking for an excuse, but looking for an explanation. Hey,
when you do these things, it gives me anxiety. And
the reason for that is I have history with this
and when, and it's not your fault, but I'm just
telling you the way I react when this happens is
you know, a deep seated and you know, and then
go work on that if you want to.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yeah, then the girls and Beverly Hills go to the abbey.
Emily is picked up by a man and simulates in
our course.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
As you should when you're at a gay bar and
you're with friendlies.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Gretchen is pole dancing, and she says she's experienced and
pulled dancing. And then Emily says she likes Gretcha's when
she is not.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
A praying content content and I I, Emily, you know what,
First off, why is it called Gretcher's. She called Gretcher's.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
It's kind of cute like Stretchers. Gretcher's was on a Stretcher.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
But I would take Emily's food stick like taking food and.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Gummy worms and stuff, all that stuff over.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Again.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Oh, Gretcher's bothers you that much.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Gretchers.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
We've got Shannon with the cooking, Emily with the food
and the purse, Gretchen praise, what do I do? We're
not going to get into it. I'm sure we could
come up with some shit. No, I don't want to
see the praying content create. I mean, it's cute, I
get it, but I don't want to see it either.
All right. In the car ride home, Heather, Emily and
Gretchen talk about going to karaoke, and Gretchen wonders if
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they'll play her song, and Heather forgot she had a song,
and then Gretchen corrects her and says she has four
and that Temper tried to be a singer and she
has the audio. Emily asked when this, Well says when
Tamra banged blank and insinuates Tamar was married. Then okay,
(23:08):
well what do you know about this?
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
So, and by the way, you don't don't you are
a CIA level investigative operatives.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
So I think when you get a bleep out of
the singer's name, shit must have hit the fan.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
So someone says it's a gen X person. I'm gen X?
Are you a gen X? No?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
No?
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Okay, all right, millennial fuck off? Was Tamara married? At
this time. I'm married at this time, and I'm fucking somebody,
But it doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Well, I think the thing is Tamora. It wasn't fucking somebody.
I've never seen a worse excuse for being shady than
I wonder if they'll play my song, Like, don't you think, Wow,
that's what she was hoping for in that moment.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
I think it is. I think she was hoping that
they play her song. It would be a nice blast
from the past. And she has four and we all
know how that goes.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Yeah, I haven't heard any of those. I also haven't
heard Tamor's song.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Well, I don't think Tama was. I don't know, but
I don't not trying to be a singer or performer
or anything like that. It was probably a one off
that she got asked to do. So anybody that puts
in their best effort, that's great. But the real singer
here in this group, in my opinion, is Heather, who's
awfully quiet about it. Or we know you can.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Sing, yeah, but then we're back and back together.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Heather, do it. Heather, and I expect a song at
Bravo Khan and I'm not.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Kidding oh, I haven't heard anything about that.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
No, I'm going to see her out there. I Erica.
I am going to corner Heather at the right time
with no one around, and I'm gonna be like, bitch,
I know you can sing because our voice teacher told
me so. And I want you to sing, not for
anybody else, just quietly for me.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
You want your own performance.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Well, I just want to. I just want I know
she can sing.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I want to hear it.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
She she has a voice.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Then back at Heather sleepover Gretchen FaceTime slade. At this point,
I think Gretchen's pretty sloshed.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yeah, you can hear it in the slurring.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yeah, you can hear it in the slurring. You can
see it with like.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
The throvements in the air, all of it.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
I'm like, oh gosh, the next thing, she's gonna ask
for chips. I'm so angry. He is so excited to
jump into this conversation.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Well again, another wannabe orange holder. We've said this before. Oh,
and by all means, like all of you who said
I'd never been loved by a man before that ever
stuck up for me. You were right, you were fucking right. Yeah,
you're right. But not like that, like I can handle
my own shit. Okay, keep going.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Well, then he claims that not only was Tama recording
a song with the singer and they messed around, they
forgot the audio.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
I was on like I've spent a lot of time
in his studio.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
And that there's audio of them having sex.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
So what did the inch near do?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah, he was just like, hey, hey.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Let's let this roll, like nobody loving this loving this?
So did the engineer? Not was the engineer in now?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
And I'm sorry if this happened and we had to
remember this happened. What is it fourteen between fourteen and
eighteen years ago? It happened in twenty ten, So how
many years ago is that?
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Fifteen?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Fifteen years ago? You don't think this would have come
out by now?
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Well I was kind of thinking that too, like, we don't.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Think this would have already hit the pages.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
And reality blurb picked it out. I'm gree this fucking shit,
this life, this Housewives universe is so fucking great. I'm
telling you, I.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Could just imagine Slade. He's like at home, he's got
makeup on, he's got his ringer at X volume, and
his on camera phone call, he's ready for his moment
with his glasses, with his glasses on.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
But he was ready with the facts, but then he
wasn't ready for Like, here's the thing all the girls
were asking, was we want to hear the song? Yeah,
the girls wanted to hear the Tamra song. And he
was like, well, you know what the real what the
real that gotcha gotcha is is that this alleged encounter
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was recorded. Because okay, he claims there's audio of them
having sex. If so, Tamra, you're a rock star. Put
it out. Gretchen says she's never heard she's never had
the audio.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
But she's heard it. She's saying she heard the audio,
but she doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
So who's computer is this?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Oh no, she said she had the audio of the
So who produced this shit? There's two different tho.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
I want to know who's the session, who ran the session?
And who where are these files? Yeah, and how did
they get sent the files? If this is a no
hate thing, then who has these files? Who has these
audio files? And how did they get shipped out?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
That's that and also the fact that there's two totally
separate things that we're discussing here. Yes, clearly there's this
thing from No Hate where there's music being played. But
now Slade adding in that he also heard the When
did you hear the audio?
Speaker 2 (28:10):
And well, not only that, who sent it to.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
You fifteen years ago? You remember it?
Speaker 2 (28:15):
So were you in the same session and you heard
it in studio? Or did someone send you the session this.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Part of Grayson Enterprises or Grayson What's Ells?
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I don't know. I don't know Van I's LLC. Guys.
I'm just laughing because my life's the shambles, you know,
it's I don't think I'm being rude.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
But then they never send the song all that, Then
they never.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Saw all that. We never get to hear it, And
don't say that you can't play it, that you didn't
get the rights to it, then put it on your
fucking Instagram. Yeah, then don't tell me this is what
I don't want to hear. Well, we can't play it, bitch,
as you can.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Well you just talked about it.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Well not only that, Well, we could never get it cleared.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah you can, yes you could, Yeah you can.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
There are many ways to do this.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
I mean, I don't think the song was like a
Tina Turner song. No, no, no, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
And if you've got her vocals, I heard isolated vocals
and let them out.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
But then the next morning at breakfast, Emily asks Gretchen
if she will ever get married to Slade.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
This is what we're talking about here, This is the
meat and potatoes of this. She and Gretchen used to
worry about getting married to him years ago because he
was getting caught up with back debt. Valid she didn't
want to take it on in the marriage agreed, good girl.
She mentions that they are financially separate. Yay, Gretchen. She
(29:41):
pays for everything and the house is in her name. Okay,
even groceries come out of her bank account. Okay, hey
that's fine. So you run him.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
But she didn't fully say that. She beat around the bush,
saying that.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah, I mean, they had to pull it out of
her as only Emily can do but lawyer skills. But
these are the things that she said. I don't I mean,
if that's how she wants to live. It seems to
me that she likes Slade but does not trust Slade.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
It seems to me like she likes Slade. They have
a good life, They have a daughter together.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
And that's great and they just want to because did
you see where Emily said, I married Shane, I don't
have a pre nap. I married Tom. I didn't have
a pre nap.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
I mean, you know, I don't know about Heather and Terry,
but who cares. I mean, you know, they're not going
to unravel that anyway.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
I couldn't tell.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Oh, Heather and Terry and her there have combined finances. Yes,
and he says they're one person, and they are he
is correct in that. So yeah, you're basically talking to
one person.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Who do you think was more Matt Gretchen at this
being talked about the next day, when she had hoped
that everybody had forgotten what she said, or or the
guy who was having to make the eggs.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
By the way, who I think is the herbal chef
the Denise Richards weed dinner. I think, honey, is that
you because you need to come. I think that's Sam
where he goes bro dude, Denise Richards is fucked up
and she was like, go wash ther show, wash the show.
I'm like, we're on the.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Show, the show at this current moment.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah, I think that's the same guy. The herbal chef
is that you babe, I have his number. I'm gonna
text because he needs to cook for me.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
But I don't think he ever gave them the eggs
that they.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Were no And I love that he was like, I
am doing that.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
He's like, because I checked all their plates afterwards and
I was like, no, no one got.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
These, No one got these these eggs.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
The eggs over hard, No no one got them.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
And he said, I don't do that.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Then Gretchen tells Emily and Heather that they got her
in trouble. Then they're getting.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Massages well, and then wait, hold on. Emily says everything
between she and Shane is joy and she didn't sign
a prenup understand, Yeah, got.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
That for sure. And then Gretchen tells Emily and Heather
they got her in trouble about bringing up Tamra's audio.
Gretchen doesn't want them to say anything, and Gretchen says
she's never said anything about an affair that was slack.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
That's not true because in the car she may not
have remembered that.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
But then Emily says she took the situation and made
them villains. She also says Gretchen and Tamara are the
same because they both tried to expose each other's affairs.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
At the morning after trying to say, look, you said
what you said, Yeah, Tamor's going to find out about it.
You should actually go to her first and be like, hey,
just so you know, I said some fucked up shit.
But let's now, is this going to be like expose
each other's affairs?
Speaker 1 (32:42):
This is going to be this is going to turn
into a massive thing.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
In my opinion, I think it's going to turn into
a big thing.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, because now it's going to show up. Leading up
until now, they've been kind of putting it all on Tam.
TAM's bringing up the past, even though has slowly been
bread crumbing bread crumbing. But watching this scene and then
Qretchen's remorse afterwards, like that panic that this is going
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to come by me in the ass.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
It is going to come by you.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
In the plan all along. I wonder how long she's
been trying to get this story out there.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Well, apparently since reality blurb in twenty seventeen. No, I
don't know that to be true. I'm just speculating, so
don't get mad at me, But somebody wanted this story
out for a long time.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Somebody wanted this story out for a long time, and
I think it's kind of like a little bit ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah, who cares? I mean, the press, Why are we digging?
It's old beef. It's just eighteen year old seventeen year
old beef. We've talked about this on the show before,
about how they're going back and talking about these old things.
And now you had an affair. Well, you had an affair.
The hypocrisy is back and forth. Who fucking cares. It's over.
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You guys have current lives and that's where it should be.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
And I don't. And you guys can say I'm being biased.
I do not think Tamar had an affair with this man.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
I have no idea, so I can't speculate. I mean,
you know, I don't know. I don't know enough to say.
I don't don't.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Think that there would be audio of a sexual encounter,
well on a in a studiodio where you're recording a
no hate.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
That's my point. Like, if you were kicking it in
the studio and it was four am, and you were
with some hot person, you know, and you wanted to
suck his dick, and maybe the engineer left the mic open, Okay,
but I don't think that's what's happening.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
I don't think that's what's happening here. I think they're
trying to make it into something into something more kind
of like naked wasted.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Kind of like naked wasted. Here's the other thing too,
If you got this audio, drop it. Yeah, you don't
have this audio, don't don't allude to things that may
or may not be.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
And also, why is you're not offended when Emily is
clearly trying to get her tipsy?
Speaker 2 (35:08):
I saw that too.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yeah, like she wasn't offended at all because.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
She because you know why, then she can go back
and say Emily got me tipsy. And that's why I
was talking all this ship and that's the perfect cover.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
I went over to Heather's and we went out. We
went to the abbey and we had so many drinks
and then I said this stuff, but I don't really
remember what I said in the car what the camera does?
Speaker 1 (35:31):
And and then I called Slade and instead of playing
the song like the girls were asking.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
We discussed more about Tamera. And now it's the next
morning with the herbal chef. I think it's you, and
now I'm having regret.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Regret and eggs and.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Regret and not even prepared the way I requested. Regretful eggs,
regretful eggs.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Then we go back to Temecula. A lot of this
episode was at the slumber party, which is cute.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
I like it was cute. It's fun.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Yeah, Heather shout out to Wonder Tents. That's my guess
who did it?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Oh yeah, okay, hey.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
But you know it was fun and nice. I wonder
if Heather actually slept in that.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Room, I mean maybe for ten minutes.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
I don't wonder if any of them slept.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
In that room where they rotated into the room where
they were.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Having Who is liking how Gavin has to spend the
night with us with his iPhone just in case something
jumps up. Who is the Gavin down there? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Probably Gavin probably.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Per gave for Gavin.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
I love you, we love you, Gavin, miss you. Then
Shannon tells the group in Temecula her history with her
parents and how it was.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
It was it was difficult, yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
And then Tamus brings up Shannon's dad having a drinking problem.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Okay, stop right there, we saw Shannon's dad earlier this year.
He's a sweet man. Yeah, here's the thing, and this
is why I think Shannon gets hurt. Like she can
talk about her dad having a drinking problem, but you can't.
And it's like I can talk about what a horrible
person Tom Girardi was, but when somebody else does, I'm
(37:24):
not gonna lie. I get a little like Hold on
a second, you know what I mean, Like, because it's
the instinct of protecting people that have been in your
life for a very long time.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Even if that person is trying to give you comfort, it.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Doesn't matter just the other way. But it's also even
if it's under the guise of comfort, their relationship is
not the best anyway. Yeah, it's always teetering on. You
said this, and then you've got her calling her an alcoholic.
So this right here, for me is a lot of
you know.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
And then Shannon said she didn't like that her I've
a conversation with Tamara was brought up on camera.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
We all know this. No private conversations in this world.
I'm sorry. You know better than that. She knows better
than that, we know better than that. The audience knows
better than that.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Dun jin speaks might be for the first time.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
This episode, Yeah, which is fine with me.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
She thinks that Tamora is trying to lay out that
Shannon's father suffered from alcoholism, so that the connection can
be made that it runs in the family, because Gina
was kind of the opposite ways, like she was like, no,
I think she was just trying to be a friend,
and then.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Gin's like, no, I think maybe we're pointing out something
else here. Yeah, either way, the man's ninety six.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Either way, the man is ninety six, and everybody's made
their time sessions already. But Shannon is clearly upset.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
She said she her therapist told her not to come. Well,
you don't get paid if you don't, so we can
see how far that went.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah, Tamra says, Shannon doesn't even really care about her father.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
That's not fair. I can't do that, Tamara. No, you
don't know that. But this is what she couldn't come
back and say, Tamor, you know, here's the thing. Then
somebody could come back and say, well, you don't care
about your daughter, you know what I mean, Like, don't
do that. Let's not do that.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Then it gets bad. But this is what you know,
clearly Tamara has been trying to be working on but
then whenever she gets plushed or feels rejection, she was reactive.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
But you're going to have to suffer with those consequences
because you have to do better. They step back. If
you know you do this, you're going to have to
own what you do. And sorries only go so far,
because if you're constantly apologizing for something that you're allegedly
working on but you don't have control over it. Yeah,
you know. So I didn't like that out of Tamar,
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and I think she's better than that. And we don't
need to beat up on Shannon or the relationship with
her dad because the truth is we don't know, and
maybe it's very complicated, like all of our relationships with
our parents. I mean, we all have very complicated relationships
with our parents. So let's not be beaten up on
the parents.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
But I think this is the camera that Heather was
talking about when she's upset. She knows how to say
things that get under your skin.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Yeah, but it's more than getting under your skin. There
are levels of getting under my skin. There's levels that irritate,
there are levels that make me, you know, bitchy back.
There are levels that make me want to cry, and
then when you make me cry, then you can get mean.
Then I can get really mean. And so I think
that we have to I think I've been giving this
(40:30):
some thought. Maybe I think I'm right. You know, these
shows are here to entertain and have a good time.
And I was watching an interview I think it was
on Derinda's Serious, her radio show, Yeah, and she had
Leuan on and they were talking about New York and
why it worked, and I forget which one of them will.
I think it might have been. I don't know if
(40:52):
it was. They said, well, what's happened is the shows
have become so very dark, and like, am I kind
of talking about this shit? I am am I talking
about what's happened on our show with all of us.
I am am I talking about lately. Yeah, Deunda and
Countess are right, you know, it used to be silly,
(41:13):
used to be silly. Now people are going to prison.
You've got you know, bad people doing bad things on shows.
You've got women's lives being really turned upside down. And yes,
we all sign up for we're also signing up to entertain.
And when it becomes like blood Sport, it's no longer entertaining.
They're right, it's dark.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
But I think the difference between New York and a
lot of these other franchises is New York. You know,
the og New York. They were they weren't planned out, No,
it was kind of some hot messes going out there.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Or they were just some chicks that were authentically being themselves.
They were New Yorkers, they were doing their thing, and
they were they were fiercely confident enough in their own
skin to show what they really were really doing. Yeah,
but the shows have changed so much. And look, I'm
guilty too, so I'm not excusing myself.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
I mean I agree with you in the darkness. I
mean except when we go back to like season one
Beverly Hills. There was that season one or season two
where there was a suicide. Yeah, it's alcoholism discussions.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Yeah, you have Kim and Kyle fighting in the limo.
I could see where people would say that was dark.
Taylor's situation certainly dark, yes, but then it continues and
it perpetuates. That's I think what I'm hinging on here. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Yeah, then there's a switch to something else, right, and
now there's not it's like we're just always dark. It's
just focusing on that, digging deeper and deep right into
that one situation.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Right. We don't need you to be surface level, but
surface level is entertaining to a point. You do watch
to escape, you do watch to have fun. It can't
always be dark. There has to be some sort of balance.
And I think that recently, and I'm talking across all shows,
and certainly I'm speaking from my own personal experience. It's
(43:05):
been a lot more dark than light, and the lightness
needs to return so that you can laugh. We can laugh,
the audience can laugh.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
But there needs to be real friendships, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
And not transactional situations. But also too listen, this is
a top down problem. It comes from the top. It
goes into production, it goes into what people say on
social media. I'm sorry to say, but you know, you're
getting very mixed messages. It's hard to be authentically yourself
and then you find out that, yeah, I was authentically myself,
(43:45):
but that's not what we're showing over there. That's true,
and that's true. And unfortunately, sometimes or most of the time,
seasons hone in on one or two stories, and that's
what gets pushed so hard and there's not much comedy,
you know, there's not much lightness or that much comedic relief.
(44:05):
But that's my rant for today. Well, I know when
you talk about darkness, are women coming in to destroy
each other, to take one one each other apart?
Speaker 1 (44:17):
I think before people were just living their lives.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
And sometimes I think the whole thing has evolved and
become much bigger than they thought it would ever be.
And it you can and it attracts a different but
it's kind of the nature of the show, like it's
changed so much.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Changed so much, and so is the world that we
live in.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
You better believe it. And that's a good point. There
was no social media really, maybe Twitter certainly when the
shows started, not Instagram, I don't think, maybe Facebook, who knows.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
But it's a completely different animal beast under percent. But
I mean I did like this episode.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
I did too. I thought it's going to lead to
another episode that's going to be good. We're going to
have you.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Know, I think they go on the trip soon.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Where's the trip?
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Had I forget Amsterdam? The trips in Amsterdam?
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Well, Well, hey, Lisa, shout out to Lisa. By the way,
you see that nice Vogue thing. Love you so much,
but yeah, I want and like the Katie thing not
filming with her, and now I guess the Gretchen thing
(45:28):
allegedly blows up so bad later on. I don't know.
Maybe I'm just bitching, but I do wish that there
was more balance, and I think that Derinda and the
Countess had a good point.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Yeah, there needs to be more fun. Yeah, needs to
be more fun.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
And there need to be people on the shows that
want to have more fun. And we need to look,
life is already bad enough. We know what we're already battling.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
I mean, come on, I want more fun.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
You need to I know, That's what I'm saying. Yeah,
like you deserve more fun.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
But being on the hunt for fun is also good
and entertaining to.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Watch exactly, and there's some you know, fun things.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
You can do, so we want to see that too.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Yep, we want more fun.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Thanks guys for tuning in to another episode of Diamonds
in the Rough and we will be back, hopefully soon
to recap the next episode.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
Yeah, thanks so much. Sorry for the rant, but not
really
Hi, guys, welcome to another episode of Diamonds in the
Rough with myself Teddy Mellencamp and.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Hi, I'm Erica Jane. And you have a smile in
your face and you feel better.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I feel better today. I can't even I'm so excited.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Thank god, because you were low.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I was on the low low low. Yeah, I'm definitely
feeling better. I have energy, my sister's coming to visit,
I have a lot of things to look forward to.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
All these things are good. Yeah, you look and feel
a lot better.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yeah, I'm happy for you, Thank you, thank you. I mean,
I don't look as hot as you. Erica walks in
and I go, damn, girl, where are you going after this?
And she goes the dentist.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
The dentist, Well, look, I mean, if you'll remember a
couple episodes back, my dentist did come up and talk
to me and didn't realize who I was, meaning that
he didn't because I go in there looking crazy. But
I don't know, I just felt like I needed to look.
You know how, sometimes you need to dress up for yourself. Yeah,
it's one of the I know it's not like I'm
decked out, but I just needed to pull it together
(01:13):
just to feel something.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah, I need to probably do that sometimes soon.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I think, well, you did it at the wedding and
then you got COVID, so hold on one second, like
we're gonna have something else for you to go to that.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah, that I can razzle dazzle up. Yeah, yeah, gotta
get my hair done soon. Question do you think I
should get just some hot low lights and highlights?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
What's the goal blonde or what?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
I think it's blonde, but I don't know that I
like the all bleached blonde, like I'd rather now that
it's growing into a pixie, have some dark roots.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
But also, well, I think the thing that you're thinking
about is not one tone. Yeah, so I don't know
if it's low lights or or highlights or dark roots.
Like I there are a couple different ways to go,
but I don't think you need to be and because
it's it's a real look to be one color.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, you know, and I think one color when my
hair grows as fast as it's been growing, which is nice.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
A lot of upkeep, but it's a lot of a
lot of upkeeping. You don't need that, so let's find
a solution.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
I'm thinking like remember when Drew Barrymore had that pixie
cut and it was like it was kind of rudy.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, and in the nineties. Yeah, yeah, I like that.
I like that for you. I like, I love a
pixie out.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Of pixie you did. I need to see a picture.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I've like, not shaved my head, but closely cut my
hair twice twice.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Did you ever do it again?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
No? No, too old my hair for ature. I'll tell
you why. Today we were blowing my hair out and
Lia's like, hey, like you got a lot of breakage. Like, yeah,
I know. And it's just like when you shoot the
season of Housewives trying to like do interesting shit, your
hair gets fucked up. Yeah, my hair needs a rest.
(03:00):
I know.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Do you have any sensis a now or no?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
No, it's like maybe a clip in but I don't.
But like you don't have no keratins or anything. No,
but my hair is not I think. I mean, I
hate to say this, but when you go through menopause
your hair gets a little bit weaker.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yes, you know, well I thought I was going through menopause,
but I started my first time having my period again.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Oh from all of the uh stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yes, it's been almost a year and three days ago.
I was like, which is probably also why I was
feeling even worse. Yes, and then I was like, she's back.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Well wait, hell, dore you.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I'm forty four.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Oh you're fine.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Yeah, but I thought it was gone ers.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I mean, well, I can't imagine all the stress and
all this stuff would take it away.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
But they're saying that that's good news because it means
that my hormones are starting to like level out.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
It does.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I'm like, oh great, but here we go. She's back.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Well that's okay.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
But I like that I have the energy because this
we have a lot to get through.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Okay, let's get through it. Let's start. Let's start episode.
What is this eleven? This is episode eleven, Episode eleven,
Guys eleven.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
But before we even get into the episode, we have
two little things that kind of we're all over the
internet that we must discuss.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
So Georgio says that's his Instagram name. He did a
post and he was talking about Slade Smiley's website for
his alleged production company, Yes Grayson Entertainment LLC. Georgio saw
a lot of red flax.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yes It says that Grayson Enterprises. Is it Grayson Entertainment
or Grayson Enterprises. Okay, So Slade lists out networks that
this production company has allegedly worked with, sort of like
History Channel, CBS, Bravo, and NBC. So and Georgio did
say this because I watched. He was like, hey, these
(05:00):
are some big, big networks. Obviously, the Bravo NBC thing, like, okay,
you know I could see where you would first off,
I first off, what are you doing? What productions are
you doing? But okay, the Bravo NBC thing, like I
can see the History Channel and CBS.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
History Channel on CBS.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I mean, where does that fit right now?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
All we're finding is that there was a podcast that
this company was a part of and it says I'm
Not Too Taboo, a podcast with Gretchen and Slade, which
was on Amazon. It's the only thing that Georgia saw
that Grayson Entertainment has produced. Also on the team page.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
I mean are these stock photos?
Speaker 1 (05:41):
They are stock photos?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yeah? And here's the thing, guys, like, I mean, not the.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Stock stock photos and not only that, and then one
page is just a template like it says like insert
your caption here.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I saw that too. Does that mean? This is how
I'm curious how Georgio ran up on this? Has anybody
else come up with has this been discussed before? I
don't want let me know, let us know in the
comments or or if not, how did Georgio run up
on this?
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Well, because then he also looked up and saw Grayson
Entertainment belongs to an l else of another couple in
Mayes also says business has been suspended since taxes were
not paid.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Good old FTB. Honey, h well, it's pretty dead. Let
me be fucking with them. You're fucking with the FEDS
or the FTB, and you know why. I'm rolling my eyes.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
But it's pretty clear why Gretchen is the one who
has it's in charge of the.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Bills, the bills. Has slave filed for bankruptcy? Do we know?
I mean I think somebody would have said it by now,
like you filed for bankruptcy? Is he? Can you? I
know that if you do a bankruptcy that child support
is a non dischargeable debt, no record.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
No record bankruptcy.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Okay, but how does he.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
That's event?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
And as we get on into the episode, we see
like what is his income? Where does it come from.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
What is he doing on a day to day basis right?
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Like, how is he paying four things? Or is she
which her answer, Gretchen's answer at the sleepover with Heather
and Emily led me to believe that she is a
number one the breadwinner, the soul breadwinner, and number two
obviously paying for all the stuff, which is.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Fine, which is fine, which is fine.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
If that works for you, go out and say it
like that. But yeah, if that because she didn't want
to answer it, but somebody's going to answer it for you,
I'm afraid, so just say, yeah, I do it.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah, I'm in charge of the finances. He helps me
manage my life and take care of my daughter.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I do like the fact that she has not married him,
and that to me is a little bit of a
flag for me, like, eh, you didn't marry him. Yeah,
So does he have judgments? Does he have debt that
she doesn't want to take on? Probably maybe I'm speculating.
Don't get mad at me, you put it on TV.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
But I hope that she's not just letting him run
her finances.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Well as somebody who did trust and got fucked. Gretchen,
I hope you're not doing that. No, she said she
has all of her own line. Wait does she said
they had a joint account.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
No good, They've never had a joint account.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
And she's always kept her own money. And she did
say I didn't want a man to financially control me,
which I think is wonderful.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Very smart, wonderful. I kept mine all separate.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
I remember you selling you telling us that, Yeah, you
kept all of your separate. Super smart. Yeah. So let
me ask you this, like, and I think that this
came up on the show, like who paid for the grocery?
I know it's a stupid thing, but like, who would
go to Gelsonstone here and buy groceries? So how does
that work out? Like? You do you have a signed
for us?
Speaker 1 (08:56):
We had one, We still do. We have one joint
card that is for the kids only. You see what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I don't because I've never had to do this and
clearly I'm a ding don.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
So we have one. It's called a divvy card, okay,
And a certain amount is put on there a month
and that's for like the kids' expenses.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Right, so the two of you could contribute the same
amount to that.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Edwin pays for that and then I pay for any
we quickly go over the divvy.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
But like he's paying the school tuition, Edwin, Okay, he's
paying the mortgage is split.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Right now, Edwin, right, and then I pay for all
of the extras.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
So like right now it's Rosa Shanna. So our kids
aren't in school, so like they're at the jumpy place,
so you're playing for the jump place. Okay, cool birthdays,
those types of things. I mean, Edwin has always been
the bread winner with us, but I've always kind of
kept my money separate. If it's something that I wanted
to do, I did it.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
But I'm sure you probably contribute to the household and
to all of the expenses in finance.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yeah yeah, And I mean I'm sure this will all
change as things go on, of course, but this is
how it was. This is how it was, and so
we're trying to keep everything the same way it was before.
I like that, and I'm just trying.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
To now, yeah, let's just keep it how it's going.
It's running, it's manageable.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
It's yeah, and I'm just trying to be a little
bit smarter with my money. Now.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Well, yeah, I mean, you know, here's the thing. We
all want to be independent, we all want to control
these things. But you know, being adulting is hard.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Adulting is hard. It is hard, and especially when you
have multiple kids at all different ages. But I can
say this, it was very easy for me to answer
that question. Yes, Why was it so hard for Gretchen
to answer.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
This because she's paying for everything? Because it was easy
for me to say, oh, no, Tom, Tom definitely the
bread winner, and I gave every check I ever had
back to him. Now what he did with it, clearly,
we don't know. But that's how it was. You know,
that was Tom's house, it was Tom's firm, it was
Tom's stuff. Yes, every job I got, I gave him
the money.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
But you know, other than that, but it's pretty easy to.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Explain pretty much what's going on around here.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Yeah, it's pretty easy to explain. This next one is
an Instagram story. I feel like we're going to start
getting a lot of.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
These ready for the reunion.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Yeah, so Jen Pradonci did one of those Q and
a's and she somebody said, are you ready for the reunion?
And she responds, sure, I just show up the day
of the reunion. I know some people plot and plan
for months. I don't do that. Let's just address all
the matters that need to be addressed and hopefully try
to move on. I'm sure some will try to unearth
(11:40):
skeletons on people. I have zero interest in all of that.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
What is your take on that?
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Well, my take on that is I watched the last
reunion and I don't remember her just coming in and
moving right on from things interesting. So if that's what
she's her plan is this season, then let's see how
that goes.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Well. I think there are different levels, and I think
that we both have experience in this talking about a reunion.
And please, if you've never done a reunion, keep your
comments to yourself, because you don't know what it's like.
You don't not only the women who are on these
shows that actually sit down there know what the feeling
is you are watching it. We actually do it. So
(12:20):
I'm real confident when I say this. We all know
people who do plot and plan. There are others that
come in that are like, hey, I don't feel as
if I have to answer for much this year. It
was pretty straightforward. So I think that everyone's reunion quote,
let's just say prep can be different based upon what's
(12:44):
going on this season. But there are those who take
time to really go in and think that it is
a full court press to really get at or make
up for, or hit back at things that you.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Know or not necessarily things that most of the time
you have to prep for because you know it.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yes, you do know it, but there are some things
that people will throw at you and you're like, I
wasn't even thinking about that, and I've moved on from that,
Why haven't you?
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yeah? But were you somebody that would go back and
you know, like the day before when they'd send like
five or six episodes to watch right before the union,
did you watch or you just were.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Like when I first started, the answer was yes. Now
I look at key things that I think will be
into you know, at this point, because I have a
lot of experience, I pretty much know where the questions
are going to go just based on what you're seeing,
and then you can go, m hmm, this is probably
nine times out of ten you're going to get a
(13:45):
question about this. Yes, So what is your answer and
remind yourself of what was shown to the audience versus
what you remember. And also, if you're going to get
into a squabble and other people were there, you can
also look at them and say, I think you were there.
(14:06):
Do you remember it going down this way? Because sometimes
when you're the lone voice in the woods and you're
fighting it out with somebody or you're having a disagreement
and others were present, you can say, I'm pretty sure
that these people saw this as well. Do you have
anything since this is what we're here to do, do
you have anything to say about this?
Speaker 1 (14:26):
So we'll see, we'll see, we'll see. Well, I'm excited
you realized that I never even watched last season of
Beverly Hills because I was in the hospital.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Thank god, I mean not that you were in the hospital,
but thank god you didn't watch. You know who cares?
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Ah, So I'm gonna have to go back. That gives
me an idea.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I need to tell me.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I need to go back and like binge this season
because I'm going to have to be recapping.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Well, just call me and ask me what you need
to know about last season, not this season.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Clarity, Yeah, last season.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I can tell you exactly. Well, let me see what
am I thinking where I'm thinking this is going this year?
And obviously I don't know, I only know what I shot.
I think once you watched last season, you'll be pretty
it's it's not going to be a couple of things
you may be confused about, but that's it.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I'll be able to pick it up.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, I think so, you'll be able to pick it
up real quick. Okay, No, it's nothing there. You may
have one or two questions that you'd like me clarity on,
but that's it.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Yeah, okay, Yeah, we're back into Macula. Gina mentions that
she didn't like how Tamar shit on Shannon last year
for her drinking and now takes her away to have
(15:44):
a drink.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
I agree, I didn't like it either. Where either're going
to You can't call somebody an alcoholic and then offer
them a drink. Let's go get a drink and then
say something later. Tamra says something like well, and I'm paraphrasing,
so don't fuck me up, something like, well, she she
knows how much she can drink or whatever she's doing,
she's in am I right on that, like she's in
recovery or something like that. Was something like that, and
(16:06):
I don't like that, like.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
She said, Tamra said something along the lines of like,
I think drinking as Shannon's love language.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Hmm. I think that was a quote, right, But we
don't need to be encouraging that love language. No, you know,
she hit a house. Did we ever find out about
the molar?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
The molar's been gone for a while.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
But why not get a new mollin?
Speaker 1 (16:26):
But why not let us know since last pod that
we did?
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah, just reach out to us, let us know, ladies.
I may have hit the house, but I was missing
the teeth before that.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
But yeah, just let us let us let some girls
know so we can talk about it.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
But I don't. I would not if I were Tamara,
and I really felt very strongly about what I said
last year about calling her an alcoholic. I would not
offer her drinks or encourage her to drink because it
seems uh counterintuitive and mean, it's not good, it's not great,
it's not good. Then you draw her back into a
thing because you know she's nine times out of tang
(16:59):
gonna take the drink, and then you know, and it's
going to come back, because it's just it's the same
old cycle. You either want to break this cycle and
move on or you don't. And the way you don't
break it and continue it is by talking about drinking
or encouraging her to drink or talk about her she.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Probably if she wanted that drink, she was gonna go
get it regardless.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Right, So Tamar didn't need to help her. Yeah, so
there you go.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
So I think that was like one of those things
they left, Uh what was it, psychic? Yeah, they left
the not the psychic. It was like the voodoo person.
And then they're like, what should we do and that's
where they want to go get drinks.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, so y'all don't need to be fucking with voodoo.
By the way, that ship can be very spiritually. You
can open some spiritual warfare if you fuck with the
wrong people. Don't do that.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
No things on the Then Tamar asked Shannon what she
can do to make things better, and Shannon says time
is what she needs.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Well, that's all we have, but some of us. So
it's dark, but it's good.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
You know what what it is.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
It is what it is.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Then we panta Heather telling Emily and Gretchen that Tamara
can be mean when she's upset, and Heather has had
difficult people like that in her life.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
You know what Heather, I soldiered for you last week
when I said you weren't afraid of her, and then
this week you said you were and it it's because
of your dad, and I was like, damn it.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
I know. She brings up her dad, who would have
outbursts in public and he would have random explosions, And
then she wanted Tamar to understand that sometimes she acts
that way and makes her feel uncomfortable because of her
I wish she would have said that to Tamora.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I wish you would have said that to Tamara, and
also in the moment, and it would have explained why
she's quiet or she tries to make it go away.
And then if you say that in the moment, it's
far more effective you say it to the person. It's like, look,
when you do that, it scarce a shit out of me.
I'm gonna tell you why my dad did this, and
it would make me so crazy. So when you do that,
(19:07):
it just doesn't. It's not like Tamra's fault, but it does.
I've noticed this too. We do. And I don't want
to get all like therapy on us, but we do.
We take things that happened to us, like patterns that
we've unknowingly created and they do affect us late.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, and I mean even going back of a jillion
years to the time you made me cry. Yes, it
really had nothing.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
To do with nothing to do with me. It's how you.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yeah, it's how I perceived one like yeah, like just
that little snap mm hmm. It was something from like
my childhood, right. I don't like being snapped at, right,
and so I went into.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
A full like right exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
It was back to being a little kid.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
And that's what happens to a lot of us.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
And I wish I would have had the wherewithal to say, then, hey, Erica,
I'm not even upset the way you just talk to me.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
It really has more to do with yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Don't know how to process when people talk to me.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
And I would have said, like Jesus, like well fun, yeah,
you know, because and also too, like I'm so glad
that I almost said that my life fell apart. But
I am kind of glad that my life fell apart.
And I'll tell you why because it forced me to
go on a journey and look at my whole life.
And now, if someone said something like that to me,
if you said, hey, I don't like I would be like,
oh my god, how irresponsible, and I'm not responsible for
(20:24):
everybody's you know, you're not responsible for But I would
have been far more understanding and been like, you know what,
I I'm sorry for that, Like I didn't, that was
not my intention. And I'm snapping, by the way, I'm
snapping because of some shit in my Yeah, I mean, well,
just repeating old ass patterns, y'all.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
And then we're just reacting to what we feel in
the moment.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Instead of thinking about it.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Instead of being like, this isn't a big.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Deal, This isn't a big deal. Let's take a step back,
not react in the moment and say, wait a minute,
what's really going on here? But also too, that's why
you like the show?
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Yeah, but I wish I do wish she had said
that to tam Tama. I wish she would have said
it to Tamra, because I didn't like the way she
said it to those two, in particular.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
What you mean that she said it to them or
the way she said it to them both interesting.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
And especially without having said it to Tama, For.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I would prefer that she had said it to Tama.
Not looking for an excuse, but looking for an explanation. Hey,
when you do these things, it gives me anxiety. And
the reason for that is I have history with this
and when, and it's not your fault, but I'm just
telling you the way I react when this happens is
you know, a deep seated and you know, and then
go work on that if you want to.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yeah, then the girls and Beverly Hills go to the abbey.
Emily is picked up by a man and simulates in
our course.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
As you should when you're at a gay bar and
you're with friendlies.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Gretchen is pole dancing, and she says she's experienced and
pulled dancing. And then Emily says she likes Gretcha's when
she is not.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
A praying content content and I I, Emily, you know what,
First off, why is it called Gretcher's. She called Gretcher's.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
It's kind of cute like Stretchers. Gretcher's was on a Stretcher.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
But I would take Emily's food stick like taking food and.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Gummy worms and stuff, all that stuff over.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Again.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Oh, Gretcher's bothers you that much.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Gretchers.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
We've got Shannon with the cooking, Emily with the food
and the purse, Gretchen praise, what do I do? We're
not going to get into it. I'm sure we could
come up with some shit. No, I don't want to
see the praying content create. I mean, it's cute, I
get it, but I don't want to see it either.
All right. In the car ride home, Heather, Emily and
Gretchen talk about going to karaoke, and Gretchen wonders if
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they'll play her song, and Heather forgot she had a song,
and then Gretchen corrects her and says she has four
and that Temper tried to be a singer and she
has the audio. Emily asked when this, Well says when
Tamra banged blank and insinuates Tamar was married. Then okay,
(23:08):
well what do you know about this?
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
So, and by the way, you don't don't you are
a CIA level investigative operatives.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
So I think when you get a bleep out of
the singer's name, shit must have hit the fan.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
So someone says it's a gen X person. I'm gen X?
Are you a gen X? No?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
No?
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Okay, all right, millennial fuck off? Was Tamara married? At
this time. I'm married at this time, and I'm fucking somebody,
But it doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Well, I think the thing is Tamora. It wasn't fucking somebody.
I've never seen a worse excuse for being shady than
I wonder if they'll play my song, Like, don't you think, Wow,
that's what she was hoping for in that moment.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
I think it is. I think she was hoping that
they play her song. It would be a nice blast
from the past. And she has four and we all
know how that goes.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Yeah, I haven't heard any of those. I also haven't
heard Tamor's song.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Well, I don't think Tama was. I don't know, but
I don't not trying to be a singer or performer
or anything like that. It was probably a one off
that she got asked to do. So anybody that puts
in their best effort, that's great. But the real singer
here in this group, in my opinion, is Heather, who's
awfully quiet about it. Or we know you can.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Sing, yeah, but then we're back and back together.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Heather, do it. Heather, and I expect a song at
Bravo Khan and I'm not.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Kidding oh, I haven't heard anything about that.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
No, I'm going to see her out there. I Erica.
I am going to corner Heather at the right time
with no one around, and I'm gonna be like, bitch,
I know you can sing because our voice teacher told
me so. And I want you to sing, not for
anybody else, just quietly for me.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
You want your own performance.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Well, I just want to. I just want I know
she can sing.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I want to hear it.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
She she has a voice.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Then back at Heather sleepover Gretchen FaceTime slade. At this point,
I think Gretchen's pretty sloshed.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yeah, you can hear it in the slurring.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yeah, you can hear it in the slurring. You can
see it with like.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
The throvements in the air, all of it.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
I'm like, oh gosh, the next thing, she's gonna ask
for chips. I'm so angry. He is so excited to
jump into this conversation.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Well again, another wannabe orange holder. We've said this before. Oh,
and by all means, like all of you who said
I'd never been loved by a man before that ever
stuck up for me. You were right, you were fucking right. Yeah,
you're right. But not like that, like I can handle
my own shit. Okay, keep going.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Well, then he claims that not only was Tama recording
a song with the singer and they messed around, they
forgot the audio.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
I was on like I've spent a lot of time
in his studio.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
And that there's audio of them having sex.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
So what did the inch near do?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah, he was just like, hey, hey.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Let's let this roll, like nobody loving this loving this?
So did the engineer? Not was the engineer in now?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
And I'm sorry if this happened and we had to
remember this happened. What is it fourteen between fourteen and
eighteen years ago? It happened in twenty ten, So how
many years ago is that?
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Fifteen?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Fifteen years ago? You don't think this would have come
out by now?
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Well I was kind of thinking that too, like, we don't.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Think this would have already hit the pages.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
And reality blurb picked it out. I'm gree this fucking shit,
this life, this Housewives universe is so fucking great. I'm
telling you, I.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Could just imagine Slade. He's like at home, he's got
makeup on, he's got his ringer at X volume, and
his on camera phone call, he's ready for his moment
with his glasses, with his glasses on.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
But he was ready with the facts, but then he
wasn't ready for Like, here's the thing all the girls
were asking, was we want to hear the song? Yeah,
the girls wanted to hear the Tamra song. And he
was like, well, you know what the real what the
real that gotcha gotcha is is that this alleged encounter
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was recorded. Because okay, he claims there's audio of them
having sex. If so, Tamra, you're a rock star. Put
it out. Gretchen says she's never heard she's never had
the audio.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
But she's heard it. She's saying she heard the audio,
but she doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
So who's computer is this?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Oh no, she said she had the audio of the
So who produced this shit? There's two different tho.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
I want to know who's the session, who ran the session?
And who where are these files? Yeah, and how did
they get sent the files? If this is a no
hate thing, then who has these files? Who has these
audio files? And how did they get shipped out?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
That's that and also the fact that there's two totally
separate things that we're discussing here. Yes, clearly there's this
thing from No Hate where there's music being played. But
now Slade adding in that he also heard the When
did you hear the audio?
Speaker 2 (28:10):
And well, not only that, who sent it to.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
You fifteen years ago? You remember it?
Speaker 2 (28:15):
So were you in the same session and you heard
it in studio? Or did someone send you the session this.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Part of Grayson Enterprises or Grayson What's Ells?
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I don't know. I don't know Van I's LLC. Guys.
I'm just laughing because my life's the shambles, you know,
it's I don't think I'm being rude.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
But then they never send the song all that, Then
they never.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Saw all that. We never get to hear it, And
don't say that you can't play it, that you didn't
get the rights to it, then put it on your
fucking Instagram. Yeah, then don't tell me this is what
I don't want to hear. Well, we can't play it, bitch,
as you can.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Well you just talked about it.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Well not only that, Well, we could never get it cleared.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah you can, yes you could, Yeah you can.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
There are many ways to do this.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
I mean, I don't think the song was like a
Tina Turner song. No, no, no, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
And if you've got her vocals, I heard isolated vocals
and let them out.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
But then the next morning at breakfast, Emily asks Gretchen
if she will ever get married to Slade.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
This is what we're talking about here, This is the
meat and potatoes of this. She and Gretchen used to
worry about getting married to him years ago because he
was getting caught up with back debt. Valid she didn't
want to take it on in the marriage agreed, good girl.
She mentions that they are financially separate. Yay, Gretchen. She
(29:41):
pays for everything and the house is in her name. Okay,
even groceries come out of her bank account. Okay, hey
that's fine. So you run him.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
But she didn't fully say that. She beat around the bush,
saying that.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah, I mean, they had to pull it out of
her as only Emily can do but lawyer skills. But
these are the things that she said. I don't I mean,
if that's how she wants to live. It seems to
me that she likes Slade but does not trust Slade.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
It seems to me like she likes Slade. They have
a good life, They have a daughter together.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
And that's great and they just want to because did
you see where Emily said, I married Shane, I don't
have a pre nap. I married Tom. I didn't have
a pre nap.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
I mean, you know, I don't know about Heather and Terry,
but who cares. I mean, you know, they're not going
to unravel that anyway.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
I couldn't tell.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Oh, Heather and Terry and her there have combined finances. Yes,
and he says they're one person, and they are he
is correct in that. So yeah, you're basically talking to
one person.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Who do you think was more Matt Gretchen at this
being talked about the next day, when she had hoped
that everybody had forgotten what she said, or or the
guy who was having to make the eggs.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
By the way, who I think is the herbal chef
the Denise Richards weed dinner. I think, honey, is that
you because you need to come. I think that's Sam
where he goes bro dude, Denise Richards is fucked up
and she was like, go wash ther show, wash the show.
I'm like, we're on the.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Show, the show at this current moment.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah, I think that's the same guy. The herbal chef
is that you babe, I have his number. I'm gonna
text because he needs to cook for me.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
But I don't think he ever gave them the eggs
that they.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Were no And I love that he was like, I
am doing that.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
He's like, because I checked all their plates afterwards and
I was like, no, no one got.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
These, No one got these these eggs.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
The eggs over hard, No no one got them.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
And he said, I don't do that.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Then Gretchen tells Emily and Heather that they got her
in trouble. Then they're getting.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Massages well, and then wait, hold on. Emily says everything
between she and Shane is joy and she didn't sign
a prenup understand, Yeah, got.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
That for sure. And then Gretchen tells Emily and Heather
they got her in trouble about bringing up Tamra's audio.
Gretchen doesn't want them to say anything, and Gretchen says
she's never said anything about an affair that was slack.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
That's not true because in the car she may not
have remembered that.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
But then Emily says she took the situation and made
them villains. She also says Gretchen and Tamara are the
same because they both tried to expose each other's affairs.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
At the morning after trying to say, look, you said
what you said, Yeah, Tamor's going to find out about it.
You should actually go to her first and be like, hey,
just so you know, I said some fucked up shit.
But let's now, is this going to be like expose
each other's affairs?
Speaker 1 (32:42):
This is going to be this is going to turn
into a massive thing.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
In my opinion, I think it's going to turn into
a big thing.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, because now it's going to show up. Leading up
until now, they've been kind of putting it all on Tam.
TAM's bringing up the past, even though has slowly been
bread crumbing bread crumbing. But watching this scene and then
Qretchen's remorse afterwards, like that panic that this is going
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to come by me in the ass.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
It is going to come by you.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
In the plan all along. I wonder how long she's
been trying to get this story out there.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Well, apparently since reality blurb in twenty seventeen. No, I
don't know that to be true. I'm just speculating, so
don't get mad at me, But somebody wanted this story
out for a long time.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Somebody wanted this story out for a long time, and
I think it's kind of like a little bit ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah, who cares? I mean, the press, Why are we digging?
It's old beef. It's just eighteen year old seventeen year
old beef. We've talked about this on the show before,
about how they're going back and talking about these old things.
And now you had an affair. Well, you had an affair.
The hypocrisy is back and forth. Who fucking cares. It's over.
(33:56):
You guys have current lives and that's where it should be.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
And I don't. And you guys can say I'm being biased.
I do not think Tamar had an affair with this man.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
I have no idea, so I can't speculate. I mean,
you know, I don't know. I don't know enough to say.
I don't don't.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Think that there would be audio of a sexual encounter,
well on a in a studiodio where you're recording a
no hate.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
That's my point. Like, if you were kicking it in
the studio and it was four am, and you were
with some hot person, you know, and you wanted to
suck his dick, and maybe the engineer left the mic open, Okay,
but I don't think that's what's happening.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
I don't think that's what's happening here. I think they're
trying to make it into something into something more kind
of like naked wasted.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Kind of like naked wasted. Here's the other thing too,
If you got this audio, drop it. Yeah, you don't
have this audio, don't don't allude to things that may
or may not be.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
And also, why is you're not offended when Emily is
clearly trying to get her tipsy?
Speaker 2 (35:08):
I saw that too.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yeah, like she wasn't offended at all because.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
She because you know why, then she can go back
and say Emily got me tipsy. And that's why I
was talking all this ship and that's the perfect cover.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
I went over to Heather's and we went out. We
went to the abbey and we had so many drinks
and then I said this stuff, but I don't really
remember what I said in the car what the camera does?
Speaker 1 (35:31):
And and then I called Slade and instead of playing
the song like the girls were asking.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
We discussed more about Tamera. And now it's the next
morning with the herbal chef. I think it's you, and
now I'm having regret.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Regret and eggs and.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Regret and not even prepared the way I requested. Regretful eggs,
regretful eggs.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Then we go back to Temecula. A lot of this
episode was at the slumber party, which is cute.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
I like it was cute. It's fun.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Yeah, Heather shout out to Wonder Tents. That's my guess
who did it?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Oh yeah, okay, hey.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
But you know it was fun and nice. I wonder
if Heather actually slept in that.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Room, I mean maybe for ten minutes.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
I don't wonder if any of them slept.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
In that room where they rotated into the room where
they were.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Having Who is liking how Gavin has to spend the
night with us with his iPhone just in case something
jumps up. Who is the Gavin down there? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Probably Gavin probably.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Per gave for Gavin.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
I love you, we love you, Gavin, miss you. Then
Shannon tells the group in Temecula her history with her
parents and how it was.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
It was it was difficult, yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
And then Tamus brings up Shannon's dad having a drinking problem.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Okay, stop right there, we saw Shannon's dad earlier this year.
He's a sweet man. Yeah, here's the thing, and this
is why I think Shannon gets hurt. Like she can
talk about her dad having a drinking problem, but you can't.
And it's like I can talk about what a horrible
person Tom Girardi was, but when somebody else does, I'm
(37:24):
not gonna lie. I get a little like Hold on
a second, you know what I mean, Like, because it's
the instinct of protecting people that have been in your
life for a very long time.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Even if that person is trying to give you comfort, it.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Doesn't matter just the other way. But it's also even
if it's under the guise of comfort, their relationship is
not the best anyway. Yeah, it's always teetering on. You
said this, and then you've got her calling her an alcoholic.
So this right here, for me is a lot of
you know.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
And then Shannon said she didn't like that her I've
a conversation with Tamara was brought up on camera.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
We all know this. No private conversations in this world.
I'm sorry. You know better than that. She knows better
than that, we know better than that. The audience knows
better than that.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Dun jin speaks might be for the first time.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
This episode, Yeah, which is fine with me.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
She thinks that Tamora is trying to lay out that
Shannon's father suffered from alcoholism, so that the connection can
be made that it runs in the family, because Gina
was kind of the opposite ways, like she was like, no,
I think she was just trying to be a friend,
and then.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Gin's like, no, I think maybe we're pointing out something
else here. Yeah, either way, the man's ninety six.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Either way, the man is ninety six, and everybody's made
their time sessions already. But Shannon is clearly upset.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
She said she her therapist told her not to come. Well,
you don't get paid if you don't, so we can
see how far that went.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah, Tamra says, Shannon doesn't even really care about her father.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
That's not fair. I can't do that, Tamara. No, you
don't know that. But this is what she couldn't come
back and say, Tamor, you know, here's the thing. Then
somebody could come back and say, well, you don't care
about your daughter, you know what I mean, Like, don't
do that. Let's not do that.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Then it gets bad. But this is what you know,
clearly Tamara has been trying to be working on but
then whenever she gets plushed or feels rejection, she was reactive.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
But you're going to have to suffer with those consequences
because you have to do better. They step back. If
you know you do this, you're going to have to
own what you do. And sorries only go so far,
because if you're constantly apologizing for something that you're allegedly
working on but you don't have control over it. Yeah,
you know. So I didn't like that out of Tamar,
(39:46):
and I think she's better than that. And we don't
need to beat up on Shannon or the relationship with
her dad because the truth is we don't know, and
maybe it's very complicated, like all of our relationships with
our parents. I mean, we all have very complicated relationships
with our parents. So let's not be beaten up on
the parents.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
But I think this is the camera that Heather was
talking about when she's upset. She knows how to say
things that get under your skin.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Yeah, but it's more than getting under your skin. There
are levels of getting under my skin. There's levels that irritate,
there are levels that make me, you know, bitchy back.
There are levels that make me want to cry, and
then when you make me cry, then you can get mean.
Then I can get really mean. And so I think
that we have to I think I've been giving this
(40:30):
some thought. Maybe I think I'm right. You know, these
shows are here to entertain and have a good time.
And I was watching an interview I think it was
on Derinda's Serious, her radio show, Yeah, and she had
Leuan on and they were talking about New York and
why it worked, and I forget which one of them will.
I think it might have been. I don't know if
(40:52):
it was. They said, well, what's happened is the shows
have become so very dark, and like, am I kind
of talking about this shit? I am am I talking
about what's happened on our show with all of us.
I am am I talking about lately. Yeah, Deunda and
Countess are right, you know, it used to be silly,
(41:13):
used to be silly. Now people are going to prison.
You've got you know, bad people doing bad things on shows.
You've got women's lives being really turned upside down. And yes,
we all sign up for we're also signing up to entertain.
And when it becomes like blood Sport, it's no longer entertaining.
They're right, it's dark.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
But I think the difference between New York and a
lot of these other franchises is New York. You know,
the og New York. They were they weren't planned out, No,
it was kind of some hot messes going out there.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Or they were just some chicks that were authentically being themselves.
They were New Yorkers, they were doing their thing, and
they were they were fiercely confident enough in their own
skin to show what they really were really doing. Yeah,
but the shows have changed so much. And look, I'm
guilty too, so I'm not excusing myself.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
I mean I agree with you in the darkness. I
mean except when we go back to like season one
Beverly Hills. There was that season one or season two
where there was a suicide. Yeah, it's alcoholism discussions.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Yeah, you have Kim and Kyle fighting in the limo.
I could see where people would say that was dark.
Taylor's situation certainly dark, yes, but then it continues and
it perpetuates. That's I think what I'm hinging on here. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Yeah, then there's a switch to something else, right, and
now there's not it's like we're just always dark. It's
just focusing on that, digging deeper and deep right into
that one situation.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Right. We don't need you to be surface level, but
surface level is entertaining to a point. You do watch
to escape, you do watch to have fun. It can't
always be dark. There has to be some sort of balance.
And I think that recently, and I'm talking across all shows,
and certainly I'm speaking from my own personal experience. It's
(43:05):
been a lot more dark than light, and the lightness
needs to return so that you can laugh. We can laugh,
the audience can laugh.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
But there needs to be real friendships, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
And not transactional situations. But also too listen, this is
a top down problem. It comes from the top. It
goes into production, it goes into what people say on
social media. I'm sorry to say, but you know, you're
getting very mixed messages. It's hard to be authentically yourself
and then you find out that, yeah, I was authentically myself,
(43:45):
but that's not what we're showing over there. That's true,
and that's true. And unfortunately, sometimes or most of the time,
seasons hone in on one or two stories, and that's
what gets pushed so hard and there's not much comedy,
you know, there's not much lightness or that much comedic relief.
(44:05):
But that's my rant for today. Well, I know when
you talk about darkness, are women coming in to destroy
each other, to take one one each other apart?
Speaker 1 (44:17):
I think before people were just living their lives.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
And sometimes I think the whole thing has evolved and
become much bigger than they thought it would ever be.
And it you can and it attracts a different but
it's kind of the nature of the show, like it's
changed so much.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Changed so much, and so is the world that we
live in.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
You better believe it. And that's a good point. There
was no social media really, maybe Twitter certainly when the
shows started, not Instagram, I don't think, maybe Facebook, who knows.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
But it's a completely different animal beast under percent. But
I mean I did like this episode.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
I did too. I thought it's going to lead to
another episode that's going to be good. We're going to
have you.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Know, I think they go on the trip soon.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Where's the trip?
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Had I forget Amsterdam? The trips in Amsterdam?
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Well, Well, hey, Lisa, shout out to Lisa. By the way,
you see that nice Vogue thing. Love you so much,
but yeah, I want and like the Katie thing not
filming with her, and now I guess the Gretchen thing
(45:28):
allegedly blows up so bad later on. I don't know.
Maybe I'm just bitching, but I do wish that there
was more balance, and I think that Derinda and the
Countess had a good point.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Yeah, there needs to be more fun. Yeah, needs to
be more fun.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
And there need to be people on the shows that
want to have more fun. And we need to look,
life is already bad enough. We know what we're already battling.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
I mean, come on, I want more fun.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
You need to I know, That's what I'm saying. Yeah,
like you deserve more fun.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
But being on the hunt for fun is also good
and entertaining to.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Watch exactly, and there's some you know, fun things.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
You can do, so we want to see that too.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Yep, we want more fun.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Thanks guys for tuning in to another episode of Diamonds
in the Rough and we will be back, hopefully soon
to recap the next episode.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
Yeah, thanks so much. Sorry for the rant, but not
really
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