August 22, 2023 • 39 mins
Teddi and Tamra share their OPINIONS on Bethenny Frankel's interview with Rachel Leviss.
As a result, Tamra reveals what "naked wasted" really means.
Then, what does Tamra think of Lala Kent's shade towards this season of RHOC?
And, could it be Kenya's last season on RHOA?
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Two Teas in a Pod which Teddy Mellencamp and Camrid Judge. Hello, Hello,
Welcome to another episode of to Teas in a Pod
with myself and tam Rid Judge. Hi, tam Haben.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
So much to talk about.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
We have so much to talk about, but before we
even talk about any of our personal stuff. We are
going to do that in the next episode because we've
had a lot going on ourselves, but not as much
as some of our other fellow podcasters that we got
to dig into this right away and drop this episode.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I know, and I'm literally my stomach is in knots
because so much was said and I want to say
so much and I don't know what I should say
and what I shouldn't say. And then she comes after
me and I'm like, wait.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
What, No, you realized that I was up at three
in the morning because I'm still on freaking Columbia time,
which everyone's laughing at either, like it's a three hour
time change. I'm like, but it's still affects a person
like me, like I'm up every day at three. I'm
like a crazy person. And then this morning at three,
I like, go, I can't sleep. I'm trying to Cruise's
birthday wish was to sleep in our room. So I'm like,
(01:11):
I go into his room and then I'm like, Bethany
dropped episode four, and I'm like, oh, I may as
well listen to it now. And then I heard your name,
and then I was like, what started crazily texting you?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Should we in the morning?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Should we talk about that first?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, let's just talk about that right from the get go. Okay,
so let's before we even get into the and no, no,
I think we have to wait. You guys, keep listening.
We'll get there. Let's start out with just the beginning.
It starts out where Bethany releases a podcast with Rachel,
which I just need to point out a couple of things.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
A couple things.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Well, the main thing that really hits me is one,
how is what Bethany is doing with Rachel any different
any different network.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
It's actually worse, just making her the biggest hypocrite of
all hypocrites in reality TV.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
And granted, we are yes all talking about it. And
as I heard in Bethany's fourth drop last night, she
enjoys us talking about it. She enjoys the hate. She
can handle it.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
But she didn't do any homework. That's the problem. She
didn't know what she was talking about.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
She didn't know what she was talking about, and she
also didn't lead Rachel into being any better of a
person than we heard her on the reunion.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Now, if anything, I feel like, now that she's done
this interview, which she supposedly is not wasn't paid for,
she is now gonna have just as much hate as
she had five months ago. She could have gone to
somebody got paid for this interview that was knowledgeable about
what went down. She could have written a book about it.
(03:00):
She could have actually went back to the show and
got paid and told her side of the story.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Well, not just that here. The thing that I really
struggled with is she's saying, you know, Bethany is trying
to say, this is an issue with reality television. I
am the reality reckoning of what's happening. But yet it's
(03:26):
only to Bravo. Where's the news about the Bachelor, where's
the news about Love Island? Where's the news about all
the others With Bravo?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I mean, the last time she was on Watcher Happens Life,
she felt like she was set up with Jeff Lewis
and ever since then, she's been a spiral of getting
back at Bravo and I think that this is her
way of doing it.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
But the problem is it became a huge loss for
Rachel and then.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
She didn't care about Rachel. We all know that.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
She just wants to be on the right side of
history if any of this comes down and anything happens
with the unions and listen, I am all for people
getting paid what they're due, but they're not talking about
key players on reality television shows. And the fact that
Rachel thought that something that didn't even happen on the
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show was found out after the fact, she should have
been compensated the same amount as people who were on
the show for ten years right for her bad behavior
is confusing to me. She could have come on and
taken some ownership and then said I'm trying to get
myself better. I really screwed up. But she just said
the same shit she said in the reunion. And then
here's the real kicker. At the end, she said, I'm
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dropping a podcast. I'm going to do a podcast about it.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
The part that I found the most interesting about this
interview was when Rachel started opening up about her time
and treatment and that Bey just brushes right over that.
What about, like, let's get into what doing pageants as
a small child did to change your perception on how
you thought about yourself, why you believed that your beauty
was sought from other people, those types of things. This
(05:01):
was a point to really dig deep into the psyche
and help other women who are attracted to men that
don't treat them right. But instead it was all about Bethany.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I had to laugh at the fact that after this
podcast dropped, she went on to brag that she's the
number one worldwide podcast. But yet she was okay with
the things that she had brought up. I mean, talk
about hypocrite.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
What about when she said my intern Like, if you're
a kind, empathetic woman and you're watching somebody who's just
gotten out of a mental facility and you say to
them in a laughing way, I pay my interns more
than you made on vander Pump Rules, it's nasty.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I mean, Bethany said horrible things about it.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
We can be nasty, so believe me.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
It was just self serving. The whole thing was self serving.
She didn't Rachel know favors whatsoever. She had said horrible
things about her own cast members on Real Housefives of
New York. Do you know what, Bethany, you went in
reality You promoted your business, you sold it for millions,
then you left.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
And here's the thing. You could have at this point
capitalized on all of the things that Rachel could have
done to Like, look, if you look at Tom Sandoval.
Granted he was a villain as well, they are both
in the wrong, but.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
He is bringing that up.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, he as using it to capitalize for himself. He's
got one on tour. He did this, he did whatever.
He's back on the show. He negotiated. Rachel just needed
a better negotiator because clearly she still wants to be
in the public eye, right, which is fine. We're all
fame hungry, all of us. That being said, take ownership
for that fact.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Like, she could be capitalizing on this just as much
as everybody else's, but she's not. She chose to.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
There's rumors out there that she was paid, that she
wasn't paid. I don't really care if she was or wasn't.
This did not help her at all. Go write a book.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Have helped her? Is if she if she really wanted
to come on. Her mom's a big fan of Bethany.
If she wanted to come on Bethany's podcast, do do
an episode, have it go worldwide, and on that episode
solely say you guys have really I fucked up?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, but she dine it, she took I.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Made I made mistakes. We all do, and you know what, Bethany,
and also hold Bethany accountable saying, Bethany, I remember when
you said to Luanne she was a slut and all
of these things. I want you to imagine what you
would have said in that moment if your husband at
the time slept with somebody on your show and your
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home while you were out of town mourning your grandmother
who just passed away. I get it, I get it,
I get where I fucked up. I made mistakes, but
the vitriol afterwards has been too much for me and
I can't handle it. All of that, I.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Understand, Yeah, but she didn't it because it was all
about herself. This is all a part of her dealing
with the unions and her attorneys and trying to make
a point, and it didn't go over very well.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I mean, Okay, So it starts out we're getting a
lot of back and forth. You're seeing she's naming producers
at this point, she's naming other housewives. She Now there's
conflicting things about how much money Rachel made her final
season because the number was thrown out three hundred and
(08:29):
fifty thousand. I'm assuming that is a cumulative amount. That
being said, if you're on how long was she on
the show one season as a full timer, she would
be her second season as a full timer, and then
she was on like they don't call it friends of
a van der Pup rules, but like she was on
sporadically before. So of course she is not going to
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make the same as someone that is on ten years.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
No, it doesn't, it.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Doesn't work like that. I don't care how big the
scandal is.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Five years.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, and the scandal and oh camera, you didn't film
it right, you only filmed it after the fact, and
saying things like the like that instead of just then
just letting it be. Then she comes for Lalla about
the making money off it's all about money, making money
(09:18):
off her.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
House, and then how I mean making money off of
the scandal, then saying like she had to throw that
little dig in there and then she went and bought
a house in Palm Springs, right out from under Brocket
and Sina.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Meanwhile, there's a complete vlog out there where Sina says
she's so happy that Laala bought the house next her,
so the girls can grow up together and they have
this relationship. So it just makes her look like she's
been scanning the Internet on things to pick up on,
versus just taking accountability and also saying, I'm a flawed person.
I messed up. And you know what, I came on
(09:52):
reality television because I wanted to be famous and I
felt famous, and the more that I got into it
and this man made me feel special. We were both
the wrong. And it doesn't matter how close I was
with Ariana because I knew she existed.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
So, yes, we're all young, we're all made mistakes, we're
all you know, assholes most of us. But I don't know.
Then oh gosh, Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Then there's so hard not to get so heated about
all this.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
I know there's so much because now Bethany is online
fighting with everybody, calling everybody haters, and listen, there are
times where I will fight back with people online. And
there are times when I can listen to what somebody
said and go, oh, you know what, you're right, Like,
I forget what show it was. But there was one
show where we made a mistake and we didn't do
(10:42):
our research properly, and people called us out on it.
In the next podcast, we came on and said, hey,
sorry we did. We were a little half assed there
and we're sorry about that. Blah blah blah. We're not
calling everybody that has an opinion a hater, right, And
then Bethany's defending Bravo against the accusation she now accuses
(11:03):
them of. Twenty eighteen. She says, hello, Aviva Dresher, as
the person responsible for putting you on Real Housewive of
New York, I take offense to you misrepresenting the truth
and saying producers prouded you to drink. As someone here
since day one with thirteen years of reality TV experience,
it is a flat out falsehood, so.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
So contradicting yourself hypocrite. I mean, Bethany was one that
would go after her cast members all the time on
National TV. To Luanne, you are a hypocrite. You fuck
everyone you pretend that you don't. You are a slut,
You're a liar, you're a hypocrite, You're a snake. To Kelly,
you have psychological and emotional problems. This is not normal person.
(11:43):
It's like talking to Humpty dumpty. To Kelly, you are
the most unintelligent person I've ever been around. Luanne exactly,
you dumb drag queen. I don't like you, and I
think you're a snake. To Sonya, I don't want anything
to do with you. I think you're a fraud. You
come up with fake businesses and nobody buys any but
I think it's all bullshit. So it's okay for her
(12:05):
to say all these things, but then sit with Rachel
and say in tears, oh my god, wow, fuck go
fuck they told you to fuck. She's greater. I mean,
if you were my daughter, I would kill somebody for this.
But yet she did. I mean she is like the
worst actress, while.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Also reminding us three times that she didn't watch the show,
Yes three times. This this podcast is going to make
you worldwide number one. After you've been just doing all right,
do your homework. The second we found out we were
having andy on, we read that we didn't even read,
and we read that book in twelve hours.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I know, I mean, I've always liked Bethany and respected
her as a business person, but I found this interview
to be disturbing, self serving, and she just she didn't
do Rachel any justice whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
I just really felt bad for Rachel because at the
end of the day, during the reion, when all the
online hate was so bad, I had turned on my
opinions and I said, listen, guys, everyone back up. I
feel bad for Rachel. It's getting too intense. Nobody deserves
this much hate. But then Rachel just dug a bigger
hole for herself by taking zero accountability and then just
(13:18):
honestly made her look worse.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I know, I mean, I remember being on watching her
Happen's Life with Andy with Lala and Andy, and I
talking in front of Lalla in saying, listen, Rachel and
Tom are human beings. They do not deserve this much
hate coming at them right now. It's a lot. And
Andy Andy a green so now listening to the podcast
(13:43):
and listening to her go after Andy saying that there's
hippo laws he broke. First of all, if you're not
a doctor, you can't break a hippolawy, Andy's not a doctor.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
What do you mean, doctor Cohen?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I know, it's like he's breaking hippolaws. No, that's something
between doctors. That's not anything to do with an executive
producer of a show.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
And also every single relationship that they talked through, they
all they had a justification on why they did it.
And listen, I know we I'm going to say this
still I blew in the face. We all do jacked
up stuff on television, we all do jacked up stuff
(14:31):
in real life. But the main point that I got
from this interview was I wasn't paid enough to do
the shitty things that I did, but you did them
off camera? What do you want? Golf collapse.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
It's so frustrating. It's so frustrating. And then she's getting
all this hate, right, so what does she do? She
double down and talked about me and VICKI fifteen years ago,
naked wasted.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Naked wasted, and then I'm sorry to say, it brings
up your child. I know.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Well, this is again Bethy not doing her homework and
contradicting herself. Once again. She said multiple times in an
interview with Rachel that the housewife is unscripted, highly edited
show that capitalizes on drama and basically what you see
is not necessarily the truth, but then brings up a
scene that is so far from the truth and goes
after my son, which is not. Naked wasted was a
(15:29):
term that me Vicky used to use. It was no different.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Because you guys would get naked yourselves, right.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
No, it was nothing to do with naked. I was
like saying, oh my god, if you don't do that,
I'm gonna kill you. No, You're not gonna kill somebody.
It's just a term naked wasted that means we're gonna
get drunk tonight. Yeah, that's it, like tequila used to
you know, used to say, like, oh I drink tequila.
My clothes fall off. Had nothing to do with getting
her naked at all. What it had to do with
and nobody forced alcohol down anybody's throat. Production didn't. I didn't,
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VICKI dinn't it. We saw a different Gretchen when cameras
were off because she would get drunk and do and
say things that she wouldn't do on camera. Right, So
when she was drinking and she this is the first
time that the show really captured her drinking. She started
talking to my son. Then she started saying to him, Oh,
you know I'm hotter than your mom, right, your mom
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knows that. And then even Gina Koh said in the
Housewife book, she asked, Ryan, can you take Gretchen to
the bathroom, show her where the bathroom is. The mics
were on, everything was heard, There was no forcefulness, there
was no the whole thing taken out of context. When
I watch it myself, I'm like, what the fuck does it?
What happen? That is not what happened. Now, if I
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sat down and told Bethany my story of what went
down that night, she would have been advocating for me.
Oh my god, the network, did you dirty? Yeah, I mean,
she's just such just pisses me off to no degree.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah, I mean, I just didn't under stand even the
point of why she brought up that story other.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Than well, she's trying to maybe maybe jealousy that we
were able to be number one without breaking a scan
of all.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
And yeah, right, I don't get it. But in the
most recent episode, you realize how much like when she's
the I I I I'm.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
This, I'm this, I'm that, and I'm like, she's always
been extremely self centered. You can see that in the
time she was on Housewives. You know, she went off.
I'm sorry, Bethany, you went off to do multiple other
television shows that didn't make it.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
But yet each time, now she's saying she pulled herself
out of it, she didn't want to do it, she
was done with it. She's now made the decision. Like,
but then you can see that she's been online reading
what people are saying. She's like, you guys all thought
I was going to start a makeup line because of
all my makeup, but I wasn't I And I'm like, no, clearly,
because you're making money off TikTok, you don't need to
start a makeup line because you make just as much
(18:02):
money and ads. My point is, if you're going to
be an advocate for the people you're bringing somebody from
a mental health facility, set them up to succeed in
the interview. Set them up. You are are experienced, you're smart,
you're dynamic, you're a good business woman. You know exactly
what that girl needed to do not to bury herself,
and you just let her bury it. But one thing
(18:23):
we also need to discuss that did resonate with me
was dog conversation.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, I mean when.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
She when Rachel brought up the phone indicated you right.
I was like, listen all this interview. Do I believe Rachel?
But this part I do.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
I don't necessarily believe everything she said in that interview.
I don't, but I don't feel I don't feel like
she told us anything new. It was new other than
the dogs, the dog dogs situation.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yeah, and the and the cat sitting for murcurr cat
because she couldn't have the mercury cat around her daughter.
Even she was entitled about that, like if you don't
want to live at somebody's house and take care of
their cat, don't do it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
But here's the thing, I don't care what she had
to say and come out with. Nothing she's gonna say
is gonna be right unless she said I was sorry,
I'm sorry, this is horrible. It's ruined my life. I'm
trying to, you know, get myself out. But it wasn't.
That wasn't the converse.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
It was all Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
It was it was a poor me on Rachel's part
and Bethany just trying to put the fucking screws to Bravo.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yeah, I mean, if anything, I think it just shows
this isn't any kind of reckoning. This is a money
grab the same way that everybody wants money, and it
just the person that is struggling, the person that you
(19:54):
know needs needs the financials is now limited herself from
even more opportunities by doing this. So I don't know,
I think. And then also things that Rachel said that
were a little confusing to me. Rachel said she was
punished for speaking to prop Parazzi before the reunion, so
Bravo took her mental health advocate away.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Bullshit. Bravo doesn't force us to drink. Bravo doesn't deprive
us of food, They don't deprive us of sleep. They
don't do anything. At any given moment. You can say
I'm going to bed, I don't want I don't want
to drink anymore.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
You are in charge of your own you are in.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Charge of your own person. Nobody, they don't do anything.
There's no handcuffs at all.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
And then Tom Sandoval was offered a producer credit and well,
like Listen, Tom is also the villain and he has
chosen to run with it by having a tour by
doing a million things you didn't and that is something
that is going to you know, it is what it is.
You could go on and say, listen, guys, I fucked up.
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Please stop hating me online. It's killing me, it's making me.
I'm a person that needs self validation and it hurts
my feelings and I can't take it. And I'm so
sorry for what I did. And Arianna, I am so
sorry to you. Not I'm not. I was never that
close to Ariana.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Stop stop, just stop.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I know.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Oh wow, she's got to be kicking herself on the
ass for doing this.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I don't know, because I mean, Bethany may have convinced
her that what she was doing is right and that
people are just being haters, but really it was.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
It was the wrong thing to do.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I don't know. And I have another question. Would Andy
even be considered Rachel's employer? Doesn't he I mean, he's not,
he's not, he's not. They kept saying that, I'm like,
he's not her employer.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
This is always the line that you don't quite know.
Do you do I work for Evolution or do I
work for Bravo?
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Right, But the same way that you work for Bravo,
So does Andy, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
So Andy works for Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
And they've all This also proved that Bethany has a
bone to pick with Andy. She also clearly has a
bone to pick with every.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Which is mind blowing to me because Andy and Bethany
were very close back way I d over going to
the Hampton's and running into them at dinner. They were
always super close.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
On this last pot where she talks about you, she
also is like, listen, I know that you guys know
I pitched a show and blah blah blah, and I
decided to pull away from it because there was shady.
She was talking about whatever production company then, and then
she starts bringing up our producer friend, saying his name
multiple times. I'm not even going to say it brings
up Bravo, which.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Is the nicest guy in the entire world, and please like,
he's just not even it's not even feasible, I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
But then she went on to say that Evolution was
part of the production for Big Shot on HBO Max,
and that she talks about how filming the first episode
was brutal for the people and they were in her
house and they were it was cold and they were
leaving ring stains on the from the drinks and blah
(23:16):
blah blah. They kept him freezing till two am. I'm like,
you just told us this is your show.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Right in your and they filmed in her house.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Yes, the first I didn't watch the show.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
So I didn't. But it didn't last so maybe she's
bitter about that.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I don't know, but it was a lot. But according
to the fans, and by.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
The way, if you're filming in your house, anything gets damaged.
If there's a ring stain on your counter, whatever, they
fix it.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
But also it says somebody wrote to Bethany, why is
it okay for Bravo to exploit her? Why is it
not okay for Bravo to exploit her situation? But it
is okay for you, she writes back, her voice her words,
her choice. So was going on the television show, so
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was sleeping with a man that is in a relationship.
All of these things are her choice. Didn't we make
fucked up choices?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
The interview was controlled and directed by Bethany, not by Rachel.
She was answering questions. She didn't add more to it
other than answering questions, and the questions were not the
right questions to ask a girl that just got out
of a mental health facility.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Nor could she feel empowered or in a better place
at this point. And yes, I do hope that her.
You know, she's now starting a podcast where she talks
about being the other woman and she's going to have
on relationship advice from different people to show that side. Yes,
that is a great idea. Yes, if that interview would
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have shown your remorse, had has shown your growth, If
and you would have asked you the appropriate questions to
show the work you've done on yourself and still the
growth that you need to make, I'd be really interested
to tune in.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Now. She said one thing that I thought, oh god, bullshit.
She said she would never go back on reality TV.
How long before you think she's on a show.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
She said she never would because she just likes that
she can edit her own youtubes and put them right
up without anything. Her saying that is like me saying
I would never go back on reality TV.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I say I give it a year, she'll be back
on some reality show.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
She'll either be producing a reality show or back on something.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Okay, don't get crazy producing a reality show.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Well, that's what she does. That's what she is. She's
the producer of Big Shot, like she sells.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
No, no, no, I'm talking about Rachel. I'm like, I get
crazy here producing.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Oh, Bethany's gonna I mean, Rachel is going to be
on something for sure.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
But she had said she will never go back to
reality TV. Never.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
She also said that she was going to go get
help mentally and then want to do something and like
go back to school or do whatever. I thought that's
where the interview was going to end, like I'm getting
out of the spotlight. This is too much for me.
It's put me in a negative place. But she didn't.
She went the other way I'm going on.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
But I do give her credit. I do give Rachel
credit for knowing that she was in over her head
when this all went down and put you know, admitted
herself into a mental health facility. I'm sure now I
to deal with that. I give her so much credit
for that, and she stayed there longer than she was
supposed to. But coming out and doubling down not a
(26:53):
good idea.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Well, that just reminded me of another thing. I missed
opportunity for Bethany to give Rachel a voice on things
could have changed their perception her. Rachel started to open
up about how she was adopted about all that, and
that was brushed over as well.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
I know, I found that quite interesting, and I was like, oh, oh.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Here, okay, No, we're moving along. Let's pageants. Oh no,
we moved right along, Like tell me what Tom.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Was telling you, tell me what he was saying? How
did he pull you in? When did you know? All
these questions? Nothing?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
It was why did you think it was okay to
hook up with the other Tom on the show?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Had she watched the show and done her homework, she
would have had better questions. But but that wasn't her intention.
Her intention was to try to make the network look that.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah, I wish it would have. I don't know. Another
fan said Andy shouldn't have allowed Rachel to be verbally
assaulted those types of things. M hm, that is that.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Is the reunion. But also Andy also told me it
was a lot. He didn't agree. He didn't but think
that what they did was okay.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
But Bethany acting as if she would never do such
a thing.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Oh god, And I could you imagine some of the
things that she said about some of her cast members,
give me a break. She has a sharp tongue. That's
like me saying, oh my god, I would never say
anything bad about any of my cast members.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Come on, that's like me saying I'm not a no
at all.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, exactly, just kidding. But I did get this.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
I've gotten multiple dms about this, Teddy. This is just one.
I know you won't read this. I did, but Bethany's
an interview with Rachel made me change my opinion of you.
Third part about dog and LVP. I realized LVP was
behind everything all along. I always felt like you and
everyone ganked up on her. I was wrong. So this
(28:51):
is a key thing that I want to point out,
not because I want to rehash the freaking Doggie Git.
Production was left out of that whole entire thing, which
is why it came back and looked like such a
shit show. We were never forced to do it. It
was something that happened behind the scenes between me and LVP,
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which is what created this crap of a mess that
ended up happening. So that's why when you're watching scan
of all things aren't adding up because it happened all
behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
It's not being pretty hard.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yes. Okay, Well, so we're gonna take a little break
and then we'll come back and discuss other housewife headlines.
All right, So our first housewife headline comes from Lala Kent.
(29:52):
This reality tea article says Lalla Kent throws shade at
Real Housewives of Orange County newbies. Lala has words of
cast for Real Housewives of Orange County newbe Jennifer Paedranti,
on the August ninth episode of her podcast Law address
the rumors going around OC and commented on Ryan's trustworthiness.
She says, there's something about Ryan's eyes that I do
(30:13):
not like. They seem a little dark. And you know
what I've learned, when you are talking to someone, you
have to look at their pupils, what they do. Because
I was listening to this behavior specialist she works strictly
with like narcissism, and when the pupil dilates, it means
they are in. It's almost like an animal who's going
to kill. He has some eyes that I feel I've
seen before. I've seen them with other men on reality
(30:35):
television who have turned out to be not great guys.
So just like, beware of that. So this is Laala's
cautionary tale. She clearly doesn't know.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
It's a Virgo thing. I'm telling you you you can
shame all virgos. No, I'm not shaming that, Oh you're
a Virgo's a virgo. No, it's being able to sense
and tell and know, like when it comes to guys
and seeing them like obviously she didn't have a great
experience with her ex, but to be able to look
(31:05):
at somebody and go nope.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I wonder if watching it now she's seeing something she
didn't see before. Who jen h, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
We're not speaking.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
All right, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Either way, Yeah, I mean, I don't think you need
to hear from me about my opinion on what Lala
is saying.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I'll say it.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
I'll say it for the reunion in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Oh baby, but I do think that now.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Now I'm back to the Bethany interview. What about how
Rachel says that Lala is just coming for this whole
situation because she's out to get Randall. No, once you
have been burned by a particular type of person, then
you start to see those qualities and you want to
learn everybody of them. Do I think that Lalla went
(31:59):
over yes, of course, but that's what all of us do.
We all go overboard. But come on, so, Real House.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Of Atlanta fans SLAM Productions decision to cut Kenya Moore's
spa opening scenes. So basically what happened is during Sunday's
airing of Atlanta, fans began to comment on the fact
that Marlow's charity event was showcased in Kenya's opening of
her spot was cut. Kenya tweeted, I think it was
edited out despite having the entire cast there except for
(32:29):
one and Cynthia Bailey and Claudia Jordan, and it being
my main storyline. It seems to be a general consensus
among Real Housewives of Atlanta viewers that if such a
big moment is happening in Kenya's life, it should have
been showcased on the show, and it wasn't. So I
had something similar like that happened to me. I had.
It was the year that I got fired. I had
(32:53):
a big grand opening for Vina CBD all housewife event.
For the twelve years I was on TV, whenever there
was a big housewife event, all housewive event, it was
never cut. You know, that those are the ones that
are going to be shown. Yeah, but for some reason
it was cut after that. We I think we went
(33:13):
on a trip and it didn't make sense if the
arguing like it just a lot of pieces don't add
up sometimes and sometimes like it was the first time
in history for me that it was an all housewife
event was cut.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
So do you think, in your opinion, clearly we know
nothing that this is Kenya's last season. Do you think
she's about to get the boot? I don't know about
her last season. Do you think she's about to be paused?
I don't.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
I hope not. I couldn't imagine that she's such a
key player on the show that it's like, I don't
see that happening. But it does scare me that they
cut out an all housewife event, And it's very frustrating
as a cast member when you see people like that year,
like Kelly Dodd was showcasing a positive beverage that she
(33:58):
didn't even own but acted like she did.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
I think it's one thing when let's say a housewife
creates this new line or whatever. Like I remember there
was something at one of our like finale episodes where
one of the Housewives on Beverly Hills. All of a sudden,
it's like, and by the way, I'm creating a blah
blah blah. And I was like, they're a lot. They're
not going to show this because one, you're doing this
(34:23):
solely for the show. This isn't authentic to who you are,
and this isn't a legitimate business. This is probably going nowhere,
this is stopping here. This is probably not gonna be
your storyline for next year. But when it comes to
your venus CBD, or when it comes to Kenya's hair
care line, clearly those have both been shown on that
season throughout and on your arc of being a Housewife.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
So it I mean, it was very frustrating. I have
not heard Kenya really talk about it too much in
a negative light. I've heard it twata. Well, she tweeted that,
but she wasn't She's not crying and oh my god,
how can I at least we're not seeing it.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Well, I also heard that the executive producer of the
show had comments because he was getting so much hate. Well,
it's not.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Kenya did talk a little bit in her interview with
Carlos King about production stuff. So I have a feeling
things are going to shift around on that show in
some capacity for next season.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
But well, if she gets fired, then we're gonna know.
If they cut your business out, you're gone.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
But actually there's there's no truth to that because my
entire All in by Teddy retreat was shown and I
was still fired.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
So you know, they gave you a little present as
they kicked you out the door.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
They gave me a little present. Here you go. You
could take this on your way out. Hey, baby, I
do appreciate it, but I take it you.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Nugget. I did. I saw the pictures of Kenya's salon
and it looked beautiful, and I'm like, I would have
loved to see this.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
We would have said we'd love to see it, and
then when we see it, we'd complain about it and
we'd be like, oh, nobody cares about anybody's business, as
this is what happens.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Well, they could have had like a grand opening party
where it was just in the background, and you know,
shit happens at opening parties or charity events.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I know. I'm so great, Dauri, thank you so much
to showing up to my workout event and full glam,
because that's what gods. I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
You never know what's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Right. The next one is NBC Bravo reality Stars demand
the right to speak about racism, sexism, revenge porn on TMZ.
The attorney Brian Friedman fired off another letter to the companies,
claiming the NDAs violate California law, which prohibits companies from
forcing employees to sign NDA's prohibiting them from disclosing unlawful conduct.
(36:52):
Freeman wants NBC Universal and Bravo to fully release the
reality stars from their NDAs, but at a minimum acknowledge
they can discuss alleged elite conduct during production. Basically, what
they're saying is that the NDAs that these stars have
signed are not legal in binding, and they want them released.
They're also claiming that the networks are manufacturing mental instability
(37:13):
by planing cast members with alcohol while deprived them of
food and sleep. Freedman also said they have deprived cast
members of mental health treatment even then they display alarming
size of mental deterioration. This goes back to my original point.
Why is this solely going to Bravo? Why is this
not all reality? If you're so, I think.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
We know why that he's got a bone to pick,
a bone to pick.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
But yeah, if you research this lawyer, you'll also find
additional information on him. So go ahead and you can
go down that rabbit hole on your page that we yeah,
we we're gonna let that one be just because.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
You don't want to fuck with her with the Actually
the Daily Mail actually did a long article about him.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Yeah, so you can go ahead and do your own research.
You're welcome. So I guess that's the end of the
Housewife headlines and that's the end of us discussing our
thoughts on the Bethany and Rachel interview. H yeah, so
we'll be back tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
To have to bring my blood pressure down to recap
Atlanta and New York.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
I know, sorry, I'm a little sorry. I'm a little
revved at those of you who yell at me for
I'm either not talking loud enough into the mic or
I gave the mic. I don't. I'm sorry, there's no
middle ground. I'm a ten or one. But also, why
was an Orange County on last week?
Speaker 2 (38:35):
I don't know. But what I do know I didn't
get an answer to why it wasn't airin probably just
a program. I mean, you know how sometimes they skip.
But what I do know is social media was going
crazy because there was no new episode, which made me
happen because last year they didn't care if there was
an episode or not.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
That means they want to see it. They're liking what
they're saying.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
I just watched next week or this week's episode.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Great, I can't wait to watch it. And I'll be
recapping that with Cynthia also later in the week. I'm
sure I'll have a lot of hot thoughts I missed,
I missed this.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Well, you have nothing to go after me about this.
What episode done? I'm an I'm perfect.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
All right, Well, you guys tune in to tomorrow's episode.
We'll be recapping all of the TV shows. Hey,
Two Teas in a Pod which Teddy Mellencamp and Camrid Judge. Hello, Hello,
Welcome to another episode of to Teas in a Pod
with myself and tam Rid Judge. Hi, tam Haben.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
So much to talk about.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
We have so much to talk about, but before we
even talk about any of our personal stuff. We are
going to do that in the next episode because we've
had a lot going on ourselves, but not as much
as some of our other fellow podcasters that we got
to dig into this right away and drop this episode.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I know, and I'm literally my stomach is in knots
because so much was said and I want to say
so much and I don't know what I should say
and what I shouldn't say. And then she comes after
me and I'm like, wait.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
What, No, you realized that I was up at three
in the morning because I'm still on freaking Columbia time,
which everyone's laughing at either, like it's a three hour
time change. I'm like, but it's still affects a person
like me, like I'm up every day at three. I'm
like a crazy person. And then this morning at three,
I like, go, I can't sleep. I'm trying to Cruise's
birthday wish was to sleep in our room. So I'm like,
(01:11):
I go into his room and then I'm like, Bethany
dropped episode four, and I'm like, oh, I may as
well listen to it now. And then I heard your name,
and then I was like, what started crazily texting you?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Should we in the morning?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Should we talk about that first?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, let's just talk about that right from the get go. Okay,
so let's before we even get into the and no, no,
I think we have to wait. You guys, keep listening.
We'll get there. Let's start out with just the beginning.
It starts out where Bethany releases a podcast with Rachel,
which I just need to point out a couple of things.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
A couple things.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Well, the main thing that really hits me is one,
how is what Bethany is doing with Rachel any different
any different network.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
It's actually worse, just making her the biggest hypocrite of
all hypocrites in reality TV.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
And granted, we are yes all talking about it. And
as I heard in Bethany's fourth drop last night, she
enjoys us talking about it. She enjoys the hate. She
can handle it.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
But she didn't do any homework. That's the problem. She
didn't know what she was talking about.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
She didn't know what she was talking about, and she
also didn't lead Rachel into being any better of a
person than we heard her on the reunion.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Now, if anything, I feel like, now that she's done
this interview, which she supposedly is not wasn't paid for,
she is now gonna have just as much hate as
she had five months ago. She could have gone to
somebody got paid for this interview that was knowledgeable about
what went down. She could have written a book about it.
(03:00):
She could have actually went back to the show and
got paid and told her side of the story.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Well, not just that here. The thing that I really
struggled with is she's saying, you know, Bethany is trying
to say, this is an issue with reality television. I
am the reality reckoning of what's happening. But yet it's
(03:26):
only to Bravo. Where's the news about the Bachelor, where's
the news about Love Island? Where's the news about all
the others With Bravo?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I mean, the last time she was on Watcher Happens Life,
she felt like she was set up with Jeff Lewis
and ever since then, she's been a spiral of getting
back at Bravo and I think that this is her
way of doing it.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
But the problem is it became a huge loss for
Rachel and then.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
She didn't care about Rachel. We all know that.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
She just wants to be on the right side of
history if any of this comes down and anything happens
with the unions and listen, I am all for people
getting paid what they're due, but they're not talking about
key players on reality television shows. And the fact that
Rachel thought that something that didn't even happen on the
(04:13):
show was found out after the fact, she should have
been compensated the same amount as people who were on
the show for ten years right for her bad behavior
is confusing to me. She could have come on and
taken some ownership and then said I'm trying to get
myself better. I really screwed up. But she just said
the same shit she said in the reunion. And then
here's the real kicker. At the end, she said, I'm
(04:36):
dropping a podcast. I'm going to do a podcast about it.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
The part that I found the most interesting about this
interview was when Rachel started opening up about her time
and treatment and that Bey just brushes right over that.
What about, like, let's get into what doing pageants as
a small child did to change your perception on how
you thought about yourself, why you believed that your beauty
was sought from other people, those types of things. This
(05:01):
was a point to really dig deep into the psyche
and help other women who are attracted to men that
don't treat them right. But instead it was all about Bethany.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I had to laugh at the fact that after this
podcast dropped, she went on to brag that she's the
number one worldwide podcast. But yet she was okay with
the things that she had brought up. I mean, talk
about hypocrite.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
What about when she said my intern Like, if you're
a kind, empathetic woman and you're watching somebody who's just
gotten out of a mental facility and you say to
them in a laughing way, I pay my interns more
than you made on vander Pump Rules, it's nasty.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I mean, Bethany said horrible things about it.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
We can be nasty, so believe me.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
It was just self serving. The whole thing was self serving.
She didn't Rachel know favors whatsoever. She had said horrible
things about her own cast members on Real Housefives of
New York. Do you know what, Bethany, you went in
reality You promoted your business, you sold it for millions,
then you left.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
And here's the thing. You could have at this point
capitalized on all of the things that Rachel could have
done to Like, look, if you look at Tom Sandoval.
Granted he was a villain as well, they are both
in the wrong, but.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
He is bringing that up.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, he as using it to capitalize for himself. He's
got one on tour. He did this, he did whatever.
He's back on the show. He negotiated. Rachel just needed
a better negotiator because clearly she still wants to be
in the public eye, right, which is fine. We're all
fame hungry, all of us. That being said, take ownership
for that fact.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Like, she could be capitalizing on this just as much
as everybody else's, but she's not. She chose to.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
There's rumors out there that she was paid, that she
wasn't paid. I don't really care if she was or wasn't.
This did not help her at all. Go write a book.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Have helped her? Is if she if she really wanted
to come on. Her mom's a big fan of Bethany.
If she wanted to come on Bethany's podcast, do do
an episode, have it go worldwide, and on that episode
solely say you guys have really I fucked up?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, but she dine it, she took I.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Made I made mistakes. We all do, and you know what, Bethany,
and also hold Bethany accountable saying, Bethany, I remember when
you said to Luanne she was a slut and all
of these things. I want you to imagine what you
would have said in that moment if your husband at
the time slept with somebody on your show and your
(07:39):
home while you were out of town mourning your grandmother
who just passed away. I get it, I get it,
I get where I fucked up. I made mistakes, but
the vitriol afterwards has been too much for me and
I can't handle it. All of that, I.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Understand, Yeah, but she didn't it because it was all
about herself. This is all a part of her dealing
with the unions and her attorneys and trying to make
a point, and it didn't go over very well.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I mean, Okay, So it starts out we're getting a
lot of back and forth. You're seeing she's naming producers
at this point, she's naming other housewives. She Now there's
conflicting things about how much money Rachel made her final
season because the number was thrown out three hundred and
(08:29):
fifty thousand. I'm assuming that is a cumulative amount. That
being said, if you're on how long was she on
the show one season as a full timer, she would
be her second season as a full timer, and then
she was on like they don't call it friends of
a van der Pup rules, but like she was on
sporadically before. So of course she is not going to
(08:49):
make the same as someone that is on ten years.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
No, it doesn't, it.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Doesn't work like that. I don't care how big the
scandal is.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Five years.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, and the scandal and oh camera, you didn't film
it right, you only filmed it after the fact, and
saying things like the like that instead of just then
just letting it be. Then she comes for Lalla about
the making money off it's all about money, making money
(09:18):
off her.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
House, and then how I mean making money off of
the scandal, then saying like she had to throw that
little dig in there and then she went and bought
a house in Palm Springs, right out from under Brocket
and Sina.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Meanwhile, there's a complete vlog out there where Sina says
she's so happy that Laala bought the house next her,
so the girls can grow up together and they have
this relationship. So it just makes her look like she's
been scanning the Internet on things to pick up on,
versus just taking accountability and also saying, I'm a flawed person.
I messed up. And you know what, I came on
(09:52):
reality television because I wanted to be famous and I
felt famous, and the more that I got into it
and this man made me feel special. We were both
the wrong. And it doesn't matter how close I was
with Ariana because I knew she existed.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
So, yes, we're all young, we're all made mistakes, we're
all you know, assholes most of us. But I don't know.
Then oh gosh, Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Then there's so hard not to get so heated about
all this.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
I know there's so much because now Bethany is online
fighting with everybody, calling everybody haters, and listen, there are
times where I will fight back with people online. And
there are times when I can listen to what somebody
said and go, oh, you know what, you're right, Like,
I forget what show it was. But there was one
show where we made a mistake and we didn't do
(10:42):
our research properly, and people called us out on it.
In the next podcast, we came on and said, hey,
sorry we did. We were a little half assed there
and we're sorry about that. Blah blah blah. We're not
calling everybody that has an opinion a hater, right, And
then Bethany's defending Bravo against the accusation she now accuses
(11:03):
them of. Twenty eighteen. She says, hello, Aviva Dresher, as
the person responsible for putting you on Real Housewive of
New York, I take offense to you misrepresenting the truth
and saying producers prouded you to drink. As someone here
since day one with thirteen years of reality TV experience,
it is a flat out falsehood, so.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
So contradicting yourself hypocrite. I mean, Bethany was one that
would go after her cast members all the time on
National TV. To Luanne, you are a hypocrite. You fuck
everyone you pretend that you don't. You are a slut,
You're a liar, you're a hypocrite, You're a snake. To Kelly,
you have psychological and emotional problems. This is not normal person.
(11:43):
It's like talking to Humpty dumpty. To Kelly, you are
the most unintelligent person I've ever been around. Luanne exactly,
you dumb drag queen. I don't like you, and I
think you're a snake. To Sonya, I don't want anything
to do with you. I think you're a fraud. You
come up with fake businesses and nobody buys any but
I think it's all bullshit. So it's okay for her
(12:05):
to say all these things, but then sit with Rachel
and say in tears, oh my god, wow, fuck go
fuck they told you to fuck. She's greater. I mean,
if you were my daughter, I would kill somebody for this.
But yet she did. I mean she is like the
worst actress, while.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Also reminding us three times that she didn't watch the show,
Yes three times. This this podcast is going to make
you worldwide number one. After you've been just doing all right,
do your homework. The second we found out we were
having andy on, we read that we didn't even read,
and we read that book in twelve hours.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I know, I mean, I've always liked Bethany and respected
her as a business person, but I found this interview
to be disturbing, self serving, and she just she didn't
do Rachel any justice whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
I just really felt bad for Rachel because at the
end of the day, during the reion, when all the
online hate was so bad, I had turned on my
opinions and I said, listen, guys, everyone back up. I
feel bad for Rachel. It's getting too intense. Nobody deserves
this much hate. But then Rachel just dug a bigger
hole for herself by taking zero accountability and then just
(13:18):
honestly made her look worse.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I know, I mean, I remember being on watching her
Happen's Life with Andy with Lala and Andy, and I
talking in front of Lalla in saying, listen, Rachel and
Tom are human beings. They do not deserve this much
hate coming at them right now. It's a lot. And
Andy Andy a green so now listening to the podcast
(13:43):
and listening to her go after Andy saying that there's
hippo laws he broke. First of all, if you're not
a doctor, you can't break a hippolawy, Andy's not a doctor.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
What do you mean, doctor Cohen?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I know, it's like he's breaking hippolaws. No, that's something
between doctors. That's not anything to do with an executive
producer of a show.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
And also every single relationship that they talked through, they
all they had a justification on why they did it.
And listen, I know we I'm going to say this
still I blew in the face. We all do jacked
up stuff on television, we all do jacked up stuff
(14:31):
in real life. But the main point that I got
from this interview was I wasn't paid enough to do
the shitty things that I did, but you did them
off camera? What do you want? Golf collapse.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
It's so frustrating. It's so frustrating. And then she's getting
all this hate, right, so what does she do? She
double down and talked about me and VICKI fifteen years ago,
naked wasted.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Naked wasted, and then I'm sorry to say, it brings
up your child. I know.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Well, this is again Bethy not doing her homework and
contradicting herself. Once again. She said multiple times in an
interview with Rachel that the housewife is unscripted, highly edited
show that capitalizes on drama and basically what you see
is not necessarily the truth, but then brings up a
scene that is so far from the truth and goes
after my son, which is not. Naked wasted was a
(15:29):
term that me Vicky used to use. It was no different.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Because you guys would get naked yourselves, right.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
No, it was nothing to do with naked. I was
like saying, oh my god, if you don't do that,
I'm gonna kill you. No, You're not gonna kill somebody.
It's just a term naked wasted that means we're gonna
get drunk tonight. Yeah, that's it, like tequila used to
you know, used to say, like, oh I drink tequila.
My clothes fall off. Had nothing to do with getting
her naked at all. What it had to do with
and nobody forced alcohol down anybody's throat. Production didn't. I didn't,
(15:59):
VICKI dinn't it. We saw a different Gretchen when cameras
were off because she would get drunk and do and
say things that she wouldn't do on camera. Right, So
when she was drinking and she this is the first
time that the show really captured her drinking. She started
talking to my son. Then she started saying to him, Oh,
you know I'm hotter than your mom, right, your mom
(16:20):
knows that. And then even Gina Koh said in the
Housewife book, she asked, Ryan, can you take Gretchen to
the bathroom, show her where the bathroom is. The mics
were on, everything was heard, There was no forcefulness, there
was no the whole thing taken out of context. When
I watch it myself, I'm like, what the fuck does it?
What happen? That is not what happened. Now, if I
(16:43):
sat down and told Bethany my story of what went
down that night, she would have been advocating for me.
Oh my god, the network, did you dirty? Yeah, I mean,
she's just such just pisses me off to no degree.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah, I mean, I just didn't under stand even the
point of why she brought up that story other.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Than well, she's trying to maybe maybe jealousy that we
were able to be number one without breaking a scan
of all.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
And yeah, right, I don't get it. But in the
most recent episode, you realize how much like when she's
the I I I I'm.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
This, I'm this, I'm that, and I'm like, she's always
been extremely self centered. You can see that in the
time she was on Housewives. You know, she went off.
I'm sorry, Bethany, you went off to do multiple other
television shows that didn't make it.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
But yet each time, now she's saying she pulled herself
out of it, she didn't want to do it, she
was done with it. She's now made the decision. Like,
but then you can see that she's been online reading
what people are saying. She's like, you guys all thought
I was going to start a makeup line because of
all my makeup, but I wasn't I And I'm like, no, clearly,
because you're making money off TikTok, you don't need to
start a makeup line because you make just as much
(18:02):
money and ads. My point is, if you're going to
be an advocate for the people you're bringing somebody from
a mental health facility, set them up to succeed in
the interview. Set them up. You are are experienced, you're smart,
you're dynamic, you're a good business woman. You know exactly
what that girl needed to do not to bury herself,
and you just let her bury it. But one thing
(18:23):
we also need to discuss that did resonate with me
was dog conversation.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, I mean when.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
She when Rachel brought up the phone indicated you right.
I was like, listen all this interview. Do I believe Rachel?
But this part I do.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
I don't necessarily believe everything she said in that interview.
I don't, but I don't feel I don't feel like
she told us anything new. It was new other than
the dogs, the dog dogs situation.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yeah, and the and the cat sitting for murcurr cat
because she couldn't have the mercury cat around her daughter.
Even she was entitled about that, like if you don't
want to live at somebody's house and take care of
their cat, don't do it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
But here's the thing, I don't care what she had
to say and come out with. Nothing she's gonna say
is gonna be right unless she said I was sorry,
I'm sorry, this is horrible. It's ruined my life. I'm
trying to, you know, get myself out. But it wasn't.
That wasn't the converse.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
It was all Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
It was it was a poor me on Rachel's part
and Bethany just trying to put the fucking screws to Bravo.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yeah, I mean, if anything, I think it just shows
this isn't any kind of reckoning. This is a money
grab the same way that everybody wants money, and it
just the person that is struggling, the person that you
(19:54):
know needs needs the financials is now limited herself from
even more opportunities by doing this. So I don't know,
I think. And then also things that Rachel said that
were a little confusing to me. Rachel said she was
punished for speaking to prop Parazzi before the reunion, so
Bravo took her mental health advocate away.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Bullshit. Bravo doesn't force us to drink. Bravo doesn't deprive
us of food, They don't deprive us of sleep. They
don't do anything. At any given moment. You can say
I'm going to bed, I don't want I don't want
to drink anymore.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
You are in charge of your own you are in.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Charge of your own person. Nobody, they don't do anything.
There's no handcuffs at all.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
And then Tom Sandoval was offered a producer credit and well,
like Listen, Tom is also the villain and he has
chosen to run with it by having a tour by
doing a million things you didn't and that is something
that is going to you know, it is what it is.
You could go on and say, listen, guys, I fucked up.
(20:57):
Please stop hating me online. It's killing me, it's making me.
I'm a person that needs self validation and it hurts
my feelings and I can't take it. And I'm so
sorry for what I did. And Arianna, I am so
sorry to you. Not I'm not. I was never that
close to Ariana.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Stop stop, just stop.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I know.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Oh wow, she's got to be kicking herself on the
ass for doing this.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I don't know, because I mean, Bethany may have convinced
her that what she was doing is right and that
people are just being haters, but really it was.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
It was the wrong thing to do.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I don't know. And I have another question. Would Andy
even be considered Rachel's employer? Doesn't he I mean, he's not,
he's not, he's not. They kept saying that, I'm like,
he's not her employer.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
This is always the line that you don't quite know.
Do you do I work for Evolution or do I
work for Bravo?
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Right, But the same way that you work for Bravo,
So does Andy, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
So Andy works for Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
And they've all This also proved that Bethany has a
bone to pick with Andy. She also clearly has a
bone to pick with every.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Which is mind blowing to me because Andy and Bethany
were very close back way I d over going to
the Hampton's and running into them at dinner. They were
always super close.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
On this last pot where she talks about you, she
also is like, listen, I know that you guys know
I pitched a show and blah blah blah, and I
decided to pull away from it because there was shady.
She was talking about whatever production company then, and then
she starts bringing up our producer friend, saying his name
multiple times. I'm not even going to say it brings
up Bravo, which.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Is the nicest guy in the entire world, and please like,
he's just not even it's not even feasible, I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
But then she went on to say that Evolution was
part of the production for Big Shot on HBO Max,
and that she talks about how filming the first episode
was brutal for the people and they were in her
house and they were it was cold and they were
leaving ring stains on the from the drinks and blah
(23:16):
blah blah. They kept him freezing till two am. I'm like,
you just told us this is your show.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Right in your and they filmed in her house.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Yes, the first I didn't watch the show.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
So I didn't. But it didn't last so maybe she's
bitter about that.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I don't know, but it was a lot. But according
to the fans, and by.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
The way, if you're filming in your house, anything gets damaged.
If there's a ring stain on your counter, whatever, they
fix it.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
But also it says somebody wrote to Bethany, why is
it okay for Bravo to exploit her? Why is it
not okay for Bravo to exploit her situation? But it
is okay for you, she writes back, her voice her words,
her choice. So was going on the television show, so
(24:09):
was sleeping with a man that is in a relationship.
All of these things are her choice. Didn't we make
fucked up choices?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
The interview was controlled and directed by Bethany, not by Rachel.
She was answering questions. She didn't add more to it
other than answering questions, and the questions were not the
right questions to ask a girl that just got out
of a mental health facility.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Nor could she feel empowered or in a better place
at this point. And yes, I do hope that her.
You know, she's now starting a podcast where she talks
about being the other woman and she's going to have
on relationship advice from different people to show that side. Yes,
that is a great idea. Yes, if that interview would
(24:56):
have shown your remorse, had has shown your growth, If
and you would have asked you the appropriate questions to
show the work you've done on yourself and still the
growth that you need to make, I'd be really interested
to tune in.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Now. She said one thing that I thought, oh god, bullshit.
She said she would never go back on reality TV.
How long before you think she's on a show.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
She said she never would because she just likes that
she can edit her own youtubes and put them right
up without anything. Her saying that is like me saying
I would never go back on reality TV.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I say I give it a year, she'll be back
on some reality show.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
She'll either be producing a reality show or back on something.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Okay, don't get crazy producing a reality show.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Well, that's what she does. That's what she is. She's
the producer of Big Shot, like she sells.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
No, no, no, I'm talking about Rachel. I'm like, I get
crazy here producing.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Oh, Bethany's gonna I mean, Rachel is going to be
on something for sure.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
But she had said she will never go back to
reality TV. Never.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
She also said that she was going to go get
help mentally and then want to do something and like
go back to school or do whatever. I thought that's
where the interview was going to end, like I'm getting
out of the spotlight. This is too much for me.
It's put me in a negative place. But she didn't.
She went the other way I'm going on.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
But I do give her credit. I do give Rachel
credit for knowing that she was in over her head
when this all went down and put you know, admitted
herself into a mental health facility. I'm sure now I
to deal with that. I give her so much credit
for that, and she stayed there longer than she was
supposed to. But coming out and doubling down not a
(26:53):
good idea.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Well, that just reminded me of another thing. I missed
opportunity for Bethany to give Rachel a voice on things
could have changed their perception her. Rachel started to open
up about how she was adopted about all that, and
that was brushed over as well.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
I know, I found that quite interesting, and I was like, oh, oh.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Here, okay, No, we're moving along. Let's pageants. Oh no,
we moved right along, Like tell me what Tom.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Was telling you, tell me what he was saying? How
did he pull you in? When did you know? All
these questions? Nothing?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
It was why did you think it was okay to
hook up with the other Tom on the show?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Had she watched the show and done her homework, she
would have had better questions. But but that wasn't her intention.
Her intention was to try to make the network look that.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah, I wish it would have. I don't know. Another
fan said Andy shouldn't have allowed Rachel to be verbally
assaulted those types of things. M hm, that is that.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Is the reunion. But also Andy also told me it
was a lot. He didn't agree. He didn't but think
that what they did was okay.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
But Bethany acting as if she would never do such
a thing.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Oh god, And I could you imagine some of the
things that she said about some of her cast members,
give me a break. She has a sharp tongue. That's
like me saying, oh my god, I would never say
anything bad about any of my cast members.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Come on, that's like me saying I'm not a no
at all.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, exactly, just kidding. But I did get this.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
I've gotten multiple dms about this, Teddy. This is just one.
I know you won't read this. I did, but Bethany's
an interview with Rachel made me change my opinion of you.
Third part about dog and LVP. I realized LVP was
behind everything all along. I always felt like you and
everyone ganked up on her. I was wrong. So this
(28:51):
is a key thing that I want to point out,
not because I want to rehash the freaking Doggie Git.
Production was left out of that whole entire thing, which
is why it came back and looked like such a
shit show. We were never forced to do it. It
was something that happened behind the scenes between me and LVP,
(29:13):
which is what created this crap of a mess that
ended up happening. So that's why when you're watching scan
of all things aren't adding up because it happened all
behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
It's not being pretty hard.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yes. Okay, Well, so we're gonna take a little break
and then we'll come back and discuss other housewife headlines.
All right, So our first housewife headline comes from Lala Kent.
(29:52):
This reality tea article says Lalla Kent throws shade at
Real Housewives of Orange County newbies. Lala has words of
cast for Real Housewives of Orange County newbe Jennifer Paedranti,
on the August ninth episode of her podcast Law address
the rumors going around OC and commented on Ryan's trustworthiness.
She says, there's something about Ryan's eyes that I do
(30:13):
not like. They seem a little dark. And you know
what I've learned, when you are talking to someone, you
have to look at their pupils, what they do. Because
I was listening to this behavior specialist she works strictly
with like narcissism, and when the pupil dilates, it means
they are in. It's almost like an animal who's going
to kill. He has some eyes that I feel I've
seen before. I've seen them with other men on reality
(30:35):
television who have turned out to be not great guys.
So just like, beware of that. So this is Laala's
cautionary tale. She clearly doesn't know.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
It's a Virgo thing. I'm telling you you you can
shame all virgos. No, I'm not shaming that, Oh you're
a Virgo's a virgo. No, it's being able to sense
and tell and know, like when it comes to guys
and seeing them like obviously she didn't have a great
experience with her ex, but to be able to look
(31:05):
at somebody and go nope.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I wonder if watching it now she's seeing something she
didn't see before. Who jen h, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
We're not speaking.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
All right, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Either way, Yeah, I mean, I don't think you need
to hear from me about my opinion on what Lala
is saying.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I'll say it.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
I'll say it for the reunion in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Oh baby, but I do think that now.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Now I'm back to the Bethany interview. What about how
Rachel says that Lala is just coming for this whole
situation because she's out to get Randall. No, once you
have been burned by a particular type of person, then
you start to see those qualities and you want to
learn everybody of them. Do I think that Lalla went
(31:59):
over yes, of course, but that's what all of us do.
We all go overboard. But come on, so, Real House.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Of Atlanta fans SLAM Productions decision to cut Kenya Moore's
spa opening scenes. So basically what happened is during Sunday's
airing of Atlanta, fans began to comment on the fact
that Marlow's charity event was showcased in Kenya's opening of
her spot was cut. Kenya tweeted, I think it was
edited out despite having the entire cast there except for
(32:29):
one and Cynthia Bailey and Claudia Jordan, and it being
my main storyline. It seems to be a general consensus
among Real Housewives of Atlanta viewers that if such a
big moment is happening in Kenya's life, it should have
been showcased on the show, and it wasn't. So I
had something similar like that happened to me. I had.
It was the year that I got fired. I had
(32:53):
a big grand opening for Vina CBD all housewife event.
For the twelve years I was on TV, whenever there
was a big housewife event, all housewive event, it was
never cut. You know, that those are the ones that
are going to be shown. Yeah, but for some reason
it was cut after that. We I think we went
(33:13):
on a trip and it didn't make sense if the
arguing like it just a lot of pieces don't add
up sometimes and sometimes like it was the first time
in history for me that it was an all housewife
event was cut.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
So do you think, in your opinion, clearly we know
nothing that this is Kenya's last season. Do you think
she's about to get the boot? I don't know about
her last season. Do you think she's about to be paused?
I don't.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
I hope not. I couldn't imagine that she's such a
key player on the show that it's like, I don't
see that happening. But it does scare me that they
cut out an all housewife event, And it's very frustrating
as a cast member when you see people like that year,
like Kelly Dodd was showcasing a positive beverage that she
(33:58):
didn't even own but acted like she did.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
I think it's one thing when let's say a housewife
creates this new line or whatever. Like I remember there
was something at one of our like finale episodes where
one of the Housewives on Beverly Hills. All of a sudden,
it's like, and by the way, I'm creating a blah
blah blah. And I was like, they're a lot. They're
not going to show this because one, you're doing this
(34:23):
solely for the show. This isn't authentic to who you are,
and this isn't a legitimate business. This is probably going nowhere,
this is stopping here. This is probably not gonna be
your storyline for next year. But when it comes to
your venus CBD, or when it comes to Kenya's hair
care line, clearly those have both been shown on that
season throughout and on your arc of being a Housewife.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
So it I mean, it was very frustrating. I have
not heard Kenya really talk about it too much in
a negative light. I've heard it twata. Well, she tweeted that,
but she wasn't She's not crying and oh my god,
how can I at least we're not seeing it.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Well, I also heard that the executive producer of the
show had comments because he was getting so much hate. Well,
it's not.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Kenya did talk a little bit in her interview with
Carlos King about production stuff. So I have a feeling
things are going to shift around on that show in
some capacity for next season.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
But well, if she gets fired, then we're gonna know.
If they cut your business out, you're gone.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
But actually there's there's no truth to that because my
entire All in by Teddy retreat was shown and I
was still fired.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
So you know, they gave you a little present as
they kicked you out the door.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
They gave me a little present. Here you go. You
could take this on your way out. Hey, baby, I
do appreciate it, but I take it you.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Nugget. I did. I saw the pictures of Kenya's salon
and it looked beautiful, and I'm like, I would have
loved to see this.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
We would have said we'd love to see it, and
then when we see it, we'd complain about it and
we'd be like, oh, nobody cares about anybody's business, as
this is what happens.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Well, they could have had like a grand opening party
where it was just in the background, and you know,
shit happens at opening parties or charity events.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I know. I'm so great, Dauri, thank you so much
to showing up to my workout event and full glam,
because that's what gods. I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
You never know what's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Right. The next one is NBC Bravo reality Stars demand
the right to speak about racism, sexism, revenge porn on TMZ.
The attorney Brian Friedman fired off another letter to the companies,
claiming the NDAs violate California law, which prohibits companies from
forcing employees to sign NDA's prohibiting them from disclosing unlawful conduct.
(36:52):
Freeman wants NBC Universal and Bravo to fully release the
reality stars from their NDAs, but at a minimum acknowledge
they can discuss alleged elite conduct during production. Basically, what
they're saying is that the NDAs that these stars have
signed are not legal in binding, and they want them released.
They're also claiming that the networks are manufacturing mental instability
(37:13):
by planing cast members with alcohol while deprived them of
food and sleep. Freedman also said they have deprived cast
members of mental health treatment even then they display alarming
size of mental deterioration. This goes back to my original point.
Why is this solely going to Bravo? Why is this
not all reality? If you're so, I think.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
We know why that he's got a bone to pick,
a bone to pick.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
But yeah, if you research this lawyer, you'll also find
additional information on him. So go ahead and you can
go down that rabbit hole on your page that we yeah,
we we're gonna let that one be just because.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
You don't want to fuck with her with the Actually
the Daily Mail actually did a long article about him.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Yeah, so you can go ahead and do your own research.
You're welcome. So I guess that's the end of the
Housewife headlines and that's the end of us discussing our
thoughts on the Bethany and Rachel interview. H yeah, so
we'll be back tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
To have to bring my blood pressure down to recap
Atlanta and New York.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
I know, sorry, I'm a little sorry. I'm a little
revved at those of you who yell at me for
I'm either not talking loud enough into the mic or
I gave the mic. I don't. I'm sorry, there's no
middle ground. I'm a ten or one. But also, why
was an Orange County on last week?
Speaker 2 (38:35):
I don't know. But what I do know I didn't
get an answer to why it wasn't airin probably just
a program. I mean, you know how sometimes they skip.
But what I do know is social media was going
crazy because there was no new episode, which made me
happen because last year they didn't care if there was
an episode or not.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
That means they want to see it. They're liking what
they're saying.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
I just watched next week or this week's episode.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Great, I can't wait to watch it. And I'll be
recapping that with Cynthia also later in the week. I'm
sure I'll have a lot of hot thoughts I missed,
I missed this.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Well, you have nothing to go after me about this.
What episode done? I'm an I'm perfect.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
All right, Well, you guys tune in to tomorrow's episode.
We'll be recapping all of the TV shows. Hey,
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Dateline NBC
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