March 26, 2025 • 44 mins
Welcome to Unbreakable! A mental wealth podcast hosted by Fox NFL Insider Jay Glazer. On today’s episode, Grammy-nominated artist Mike Posner takes Jay on his incredible six-month journey walking across America. From Asbury Park, New Jersey Posner walked and walked all the way until he dove into the waves of the Pacific Ocean off Venice Beach, California. Not even a rattlesnake bite in Colorado that landed Mike in the ICU could stop him from his goal. This is the story of NEVER giving up!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental wealth podcast
build you from the inside out.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Now Here's Jay Glacier.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Welcome into Unbreakable mental Wealth podcast with Jay Glazer. I'm
Jay Glazer and joining me today is somebody who our
universes have connected in the past and so many different ways.
And it's not what he does for a living what
I do for a living, but it's gonna be pretty
cool when you all hear it. You guys probably know
Mike Posner, who is a huge performer, producer, director everything
(00:38):
you Can Imagine, also has recently produced his own community
right Inner Bloom, trying to help you build up on
the inside out. We're going to talk about that a
little bit. Released a new album recently called The Beginning.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Man.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Mike, so happy to have you here. I appreciate you
and you time in and I'm gonna tell people how
we met.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Nos thank you for having me. It's been been a
long time coming. And I just really like you personally,
so I'm excited to interface with your audience, but even
more some just you say, to have a conversation with you. Brother.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
You know what, man, what I love about you as
you and I like I don't know what your reasoning
is for me. I looked at it like, because I've
done so many bad sob stuff in this world. I
was like, you know what, no one's ever gonna question
my manhood. I can cry on the drop of a time.
I'm gonna start using my pain and paying it forward,
(01:30):
using my pain to help others through theirs.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
And I kind of several years ago said, if.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
We're gonna start being vulnerable and opening up, I want
to be the one to lead the way. God blessed
me with the ability to communicate, and I'm gonna start
doing it. But I didn't fear it because I'm like
and I fought in a cage, I've wrestled football players.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I'm a bad soob. You've done the same thing.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
You've got a similar transformation, and I want you to
tell the audience about that, but also tell me why,
what prompted it, What gave you?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I guess that the bravery to do that.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Well, it wasn't so much bravery that started my journey,
Jay was. It was good old fashioned pain. I was
twenty nine, my father just passed away. One of my
best childhood friends, Ronnie, had just passed away. And my
peer was also my friend, but my collaborator of Ichi.
It just passed away, and I remember looking in the
(02:22):
mirror in West Hollywood and thinking that, like, is this it?
You know? I played the game. I was twenty nine,
and I played the game so well. I had millions
of dollars, I've become famous, I had Grammy nominations, and
something just felt so empty in my life, to the
point where I was thinking, you know, if I killed myself,
(02:46):
the world would be just fine. Like, I'm not sure
I'm really adding anything here. That's not a nice story,
but it's the beginning of a story. It's not an end, right,
And so that's what started my journey. I decided right there, buddy, Yeah,
I just I decided that year. Listen, I love this phrase.
(03:08):
It is when the future is empty, the present is unbearable.
When the future is empty, the present is unbearable. So
if there's nothing in my future I look forward to, Yeah,
this moment right now is gonna be pretty tough to
get through. So I needed to put something in my
future that a didn't make any sense right was was
(03:31):
was gonna be something that shook me out of whatever
hedonistic fever dream and trance I had fallen into, and
I needed something that scared me, that was that was
in my future and in a good way, and something
that inspired me. And so I chose that year to
walk across America on foot. I chose. I said, I'm
(03:53):
gonna I'm gonna start on in the Atlantic Ocean Asbury, Partner, Jersey.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
That's why I was born.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
You're born in Asbury Parker or nept.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
To, which is next to it, but Josh, that's where
I was born.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yep, oh way. And I said, I'm gonna just keep
walking until I get to the other side. Now, you
got to keep in mind, I'm twenty nine and I'm soft. Okay,
I've accomplished a lot, but I got soft little piano
hands right from being in the studio. My whole life
at that point is designed for me to be the
(04:27):
most comfortable. I got a spider web of agents and
managers assistants around me just doing everything I want. So
for me to say, hey, I want to make my
life uncomfortable. You know, it's not my walk across America
is not special. Ten to fifteen people do it every year,
but none of those people walked away from what I
walked away from which was what everybody else wants. Fame, adoration, money,
(04:53):
attention from the opposite sex, right, everything that we all
dream of. I had and it didn't work. So I
said to try something else. So I put this thing
in my future, this goal of walking across America, because
I said, dude, the current version of me who's living
in this West Hollywood guesthouse can't do it. For me
(05:13):
to get to the other side, I'm going to have
to become a new human being. I'm not tough enough
right now. I know I can't do it. So this goal,
if I can achieve it, is going to obliterate all
my other goal. It's going to make me a new
human being. I don't know how I'm going to do it,
but I'm going to figure it out and I'm not
(05:33):
going to stop until I do it. And so this
is the gift now of putting something compelling in the future,
what I call a soul goal, not just like, hey,
you know, I want to increase revenue ten percent. It's
not a soul goal. Is like, I don't know if
I can do this, but if I can pull it off,
it would change everything. That's this old goal and it
(05:54):
scares me. So the benefit of a soul goal is
that it can reach back. This thing in the future,
can reach back from the future and imbue the present
moments suffering with meaning. Right, As a Nietzsche said, he
who has a why can overcome almost anyhow, Right. So,
(06:14):
if I know why I'm doing what I'm doing, then
there's nothing that can stop me. Most people get it backwards.
They start trying to figure out how First, give me
the top ten tricks, give me the thing. But if
you know why you're doing it those tricks, you can
throw all those tricks out the window.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
You know, it's the first first color and coaching might
have been give them a why, don't just tell them
do it?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Why are they doing it like this? Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Yeah, that's right. And if they know, hey, what are
we working for? Working for a championship? And then we
know that's why I'm doing two a days right now.
And does it suck, Yes, it sucks, but I know
why it sucks. And in the future, just the chance
of it happening is so glorious and so beautiful and
so inspiring to me that I am now willing to
(06:59):
overcome this stuff that I'm in right now, because suffering
is part of life absolutely, and you know this, but
maybe your audience, you know they're young or whatever, it's coming.
There's could be moments. No one gets out of this
thing unscathed without being challenged in a very real way,
whether it's emotionally, spiritually, physically. And so we have to
give ourselves the gift of a why and a sole goal,
(07:23):
and then we can we can overcome anything.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
What Mike is saying, also, I think people kind of
they kind of back away from those hard things. You
have to realize adversity is a gift. You got heaven
and you have earth. This ain't heaven that we're living.
You're gonna have problems. There's no godbooks, there's no Mic
posters and Jay Glazers. When you have the good times,
it's for bad times. You don't need helping the good times.
You just need the bad times. And that's really the
key to life of how to get over those uncomfortable situations.
(07:49):
But for you to put yourself in the most uncomfortable
situation is that I want to go and do something
that would never think about.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Leave it all behind.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
I'm gonna walk across America, continue to take us on
your journey keep walking those walk with those.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Well, part of the jay was the opposite. You know,
I was at this point you said, I'm a badass,
will be. I've fought in the cages. So I was
now thirty. I'm twenty nine that year. By the time,
you know, it's like, I'm thirty years old, and I
I said, I'm not a bad us so be. You know, like,
I've accomplished a lot in my artistry, but there's something
about the way, there's something about the way I interface
(08:24):
it with the world that I know I'm not a
man yet, and I know I'm not gonna become that
by having even more success.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Our wallets are not antidepressants.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
It's a hard lesson, a learned when you when you
realize it, right, Mike, Like, oh, if I was rich
and famous, all my problems and my mental health issues
would go. Wait, no, your mental health issues drove you
to be that successful. But they don't.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
They're still there, that's right. And so I intuitively realized
the point you just made that adversity is a gift
and for me to grow, it wasn't gonna be to
have another hit record. It was gonna be go do
something really hard and hard in a way that it
scares you. And when you like, it's hard to describe
to human beings who never gone to this edge when
(09:10):
you're on the edge of I'm doing something that matters
to me so much, but I don't know if I
can pull it off. You're on that edge, it's hard
to describe. And even Jay like, I'm not even really
on it right now. Right, It's like there's something about
those moments in life that just change everything. Colors, colors
(09:32):
are brighter, right, It's like there's a tension in your body,
but it's a good tension. There's like a stress in
your body, but it's a good stress because I'm I'm
having to summon for everything out of my being to
even have a chance to do this one thing that
I've decided matters. Right, And so I got on this
journey and I start putting one foot in front of
(09:54):
the other, and like any journey, it starts off, and
you know, I'm doing interviews with CB yes, and it's
getting attention, and I'm walking like ten miles a day.
You know, in America's three thousand miles a wide, So
at that pace, you know, I'd like finish somewhere, like
you know, twenty eighty five or something, and I'm like, yeah,
I remember saying to myself, like walking across America's easy,
(10:16):
and I would eat those words, you know, because a
month later, two months later, this unbelievable pain that had
surpassed anything that can be achieved in an equinox gym
took over my body, like like I wake up and
I could barely stand up.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Well, where were you sleeping during this?
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah? I walked supported. So I had a friend and
we had an RV and that would go ahead of
me each day, and I walked twenty four miles a
day at the beginning, Like I said, I walked ten,
but I built up so my average twenty four. I'd
walk six days a week, and each night I'd sleep
in this RV. And that's basically how we did it
(10:57):
the entire journey, except for the mountains or the Mahave Desert,
those places the argument couldn't go because we were walking
a remote route, and those places we'd sleep in the tent.
And after a few months it became unbearable. I mean,
the pain was just unlike anything I ever experienced, to
(11:19):
the point where I remember being in Kansas and I
was on this remote dirt road and my body just
I guess it was overheating to some unsafe degree. And
I remember having thoughts that seemed like they were coming
from out. I don't know if you ever got to
this point in your training or you think you have
a thought, but it feels like it came from out,
(11:40):
so almost like you heard it from outside. I would
say like, hey, look at that squirrel, and I go
who said that? I was like, uh oh, like I'm
not doing so good out here, and then I realized,
like I'm not moving. Every time I have a kind
of a thought tangent like that, or as my feet stopped,
and I remember turning around looking at looking behind me,
(12:01):
and usually there were these footprints behind me, a couple
of feet between each footprint from where I had taken steps.
But on that day I looked back and there was
a ski track like my feet were dragging, and it
was like to the point where almost like I pick
up each foot with my with my hands and then
that's the physical part, but then the mind latches onto
(12:23):
that and goes, dude, you're not even halfway. How are
you gonna do the Rocky mountains. If you're already this
messed up, how you can do how he does. If
you're already this messed up. If you're this messed up here,
now multiply this pain by two or three. That's how
it's going to be a two three. So my mind
would start to do this to me. Wow, and it
(12:44):
was just nothing but fear, because I thought, well, I
don't want to quit, but my body's gonna make me quit.
My mind was saying that for my body. Right My
body hadn't quit, but my mind was saying, hey, hey,
like all these wild stories. And so I learned patience.
I'm saying, these are the thoughts you're having right now
(13:05):
on this day. But tomorrow maybe you need to drink
some water, maybe you eat some food, then you need
to sleep, see how you feel tomorrow. And so these
these moments, right these the mind can create these stories saying, hey,
you're gonna feel like this in two months. You're gonna
it doesn't know how you're gonna feel. This is even
how you're gonna feel in twenty minutes. Dude, I had
(13:25):
a moment fifteen minutes ago before you start speaking, where
I was upset about some I'm not upset now, you know.
And so I learned this patience that we're always in
a state, right, and life is really your states, right
if you're may and everyone has a home based state, right.
My home base before I did this journey was depression
(13:47):
and sadness and cynicism. And that's not to say I
don't ever experience those emotions now, but they are no
longer my home base. My home base now is joy, gratitude, faith.
Now I go visit negative lands sometimes I'm not gonna lie,
but I don't live there anymore.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I love that, And so man, I love that.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I love that so much, right there, dude, I love
it so much, and it's such a great that smacked
me across the face.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I love that. I appreciate that. I'm grateful for that.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Yeah, you got it, and so I think you lived
that right, and so at least that's how you show
up to me.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
But I used to talk. I talk in my life
as gray and blue. I live in the gray, and
the gray is the shit. It's the depression of the anxiety,
the bipolar, the HD, the negativity, the.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Bad self talk. That was my home base.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
That was my you know, that's what I know my baseline,
and the blue for me was like hey this, you know,
the chirping birds and the and the sun and all that.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I just never it's just not my world.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
And because I've started to have conversations with guys like
you and open up like this, I seen some streets
of blue now and.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Now it's kind of even further.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
I've cracked it, and same thing I'm I would say,
I'm probably tooth herds in the blue, one third in
the gray.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
But it doesn't it visits me now. It's not, it's
not it's not my captor.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
You know what he called persons two thirds in the blue,
one in the gray, fucking winning and the enlightened motherfucking
person winning.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
You are right from a guy who was ninety nine
in the fucking gray.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yes, but like you said, it's a lot of fucking work.
It didn't happen. This is five years after for me, right,
it's a lifetime of therapy. But five years since I've
really opened up, and the opening up part has allowed
me to have conversations like this. And like you and I,
if we met years ago, we wouldn't have these conversations.
I would tell you what I did in the NFL.
You probably tell them what you did as a performer,
and you know we do that shit. This is you know,
(15:39):
this turns you go from friends to brothers, which is cool.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Yeah, that's the blue, that's the blue.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
That's the continue man, keep going.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
This was this, This was like really it. You know,
I could spend two hours on this walk. But this
is like life teaching. Yep, this moment going. Life is
your states, right, So, like you said, if you have
a dominant state of depressed or cynical, I don't care
if you make a billion dollars or you win ten
NFL championships or thirteen Grammys or all three of them.
(16:11):
Your life is depressed and cynical, and I don't want
to trade places with you. Right. So the game that
you and I both realized, Hey, we were playing the
wrong game. We won the external game, but we were
promised that the internal state would follow if we won that,
and it didn't do, so then we start playing the
internal game. Now, hey, is to play both? Can you
(16:32):
play both? Right? But the internal game is your states,
your moods. The mood is a mode of beings, and
you can change your moods. You can change your states
not to be perfect, right. Can't live in happy, go
lucky all the time, nor should you wouldn't be healthy, right,
But you can change your home base, you can change
(16:54):
your default. So I learned that in this moment that hey,
I feel jacked up right now, but I'm gonna just wait.
I'm not gonna quit in this moment. I want to
quit right now. I'm gonna do nothing. I'm gonna finish
this day. I somehow did the rest of my twenty
four miles, and I did somebody I didn't do the
whole rest of the journey. I said, I'll take two
(17:15):
days off. I'm gonna take two days off. I'm gonna eat,
I'm gonna drink. I can see if I can find
somebody in Kansas to rub my feet, you know, and
like get a massage, and then I'll reassess. But right now,
clearly I need some water. Clearly I need you know,
So let me do that first. Just be patient. And
(17:35):
so this is a life lesson. Right, you feel angry,
you know in a relationship doesn't mean you should leave.
The relationship means you need to change your state, right,
And so we could take action, and most of us
I suspect you and the people listening. I make stuff happen. Right.
We don't need SOMEONNNA get us motivated, but we need
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to be motivated from a place of abundance, from the
right frequency. Are we taking the calls to like do
the sales but we're actually like kind of pissed off
while we're doing this, or it's not even a fact. Right.
We need to be from the frequency of love and
then take the action. So my frequency was all jacked up.
I learned change the frequency first, then you can make
(18:17):
the decision. They don't ever make a decision from fear,
And so I did just that. I took the days
and I said, all right, you know I was a
messed up day. But isn't that why I started? Didn't
I start this because I want to experience pain like
I've never felt before, feel that pain, and then decide
to keep going. It isn't this the whole freaking point.
(18:40):
Didn't I say I was going to walk across America
no matter what. Wasn't that my commitment? And now I
have one crazy day I'm thinking about quick No, I
am going to go back on that road. I'm going
to keep going and That's what I did. I went
back to the spot, I took a step. I took
a step, and the adversity wasn't over that. I almost
lost my life. A month later, you know, I got
(19:02):
bit by a poisonous rattlesnake, and that put me in
the hospital, and I went through the same exercise going, hey,
I have every reason to quit right now. In fact,
I have such a good reason to quit right I
got bit by a poisonous snake.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
I was gonna ask you this when I saw you
in Vegas and you're out in the middle of how
do you It's not like this rattlesnake could creep up
on you.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
How did you get bit?
Speaker 3 (19:23):
I think I creeped up on it.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Jay.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
You know, they say there's only two ways to get
bit by a rattlesnake. On one to surprise it, and
the other the other is to be messing with it,
to be like antagonizing it. So I wasn't antagonizing it,
but I just felt the bite on my left ankle.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Which So, were you on a remote road?
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Yeah, I was in the remote road Colorado ten, which
is a state highway, so the too highway probably miles
you know, speed limits probably fifty to seventy miles per hour.
There's no shoulder on that road. It's dangerous, freaking roll
and really high grass and a bunch of rattlesnakes like
I've been. A guy actually warned me that day be
(20:04):
careful of rattlesnakes out here. He saw me walk on
side the rope. Oh yeah, pull his f one fifty
over and goes, you know where you are? I go, yeah,
I do, because you're not far you are from. The
Next time, I said, yeah, I do, but I gotta
support vehicle up ahead and goes, okay, you need water. No,
I got water, thank you. He goes all right, He
starts driving away, hits the brakes, pulls back. One more thing. Yeah,
(20:26):
be careful with snakes. Copy that no flash colored. Three
four hours later, there's a snake with his fangs in
my left leg and uh and it rattled afterwards. Dude,
So I guess I surprised it. I maybe even step
on it. You know, I didn't. I never saw it
with my eyes, felt it, and I hurt after it
bit me. It rattled, and so I felt it and
(20:48):
I heard it, and it changed my life forever because
it crystallized this, this concept that you brought to the
conversation and that I'm just expounding upon, which is your
verse as a gift that gave me adversity that I
didn't really want. You know, my legs swelled to the
size of an elfant trunk. I spent three nights in
(21:08):
the ICU, five in the hospital, and I made the
same decision as I did in Kansas, which was, yeah,
I know I got a reason to quit. I know
that everyone around me, you know, like it's weird to
say this because like, these are my best friends, but
none of them understood what I was doing, none of them.
None of them knew the warrior that had been unearthed
(21:32):
inside me. And they all expected my family too. They
loved me, the most important people in my life, but
they expected me to quit.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
They expect to be a cute stumping you'll be right.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Back, yeah, which is usually a reflection of other human beings.
Made me have what they would do in that situation.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
But I was en who you used to be. But
it's a great lesson that you don't always have to
be right.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
It takes a fraction a second to decide to change
who you're going to that's it and you got it.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
I take another thing, Jay, is most people I would
talk to from the music industry that weren't really my friend.
Guy said, you know, give you a text every four
to six months.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I get.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
I get my every four to six months, twice a
year text from these guys. They go, what's up, man?
Like you want to come to the studio next week?
I go, no, dude, like I'm I'm in Illinois or
I'm in I'm in Kansas. They go, what are you
doing out there? I said, I told you the last
time we speak, I was going to walk across America.
And they'd write back to me and go, yeah, I
remember that. I didn't think you were actually gonna do it, right,
(22:35):
So I tell you something right there about who I
used to.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Be beautiful too for you were like, hey, I am transforming.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I'm seeing other people through their eyes like whoa. I
didn't think he was going to do it, And I'm
becoming the person I want to be. That's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
And so it was just another opportunity with the snake
bite to do that exact thing. Everyone expects me to quit,
and I got a really good reason to quit. In fact,
such a good reason to quit. Quit. Most people won't
even think I'm.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Now will quit if given an outside reason. Right, well,
this happened to me.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
So I can't overcome it, that's right more.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
That's even more.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Mental toughness to say it was something I didn't expect.
And even something like that, which is one in a million,
how are you supposed to overcome it?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
It's your choice.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
I like to look at it as like flip it
even further on its head, like how cool would it be?
I did overcome it, like this really isn't And that
became the gift because like I now get the opportunity,
thank God for the snake bike, I now get the
opportunity to be the man that got bit by a snake,
(23:40):
almost lost his foot and then walked one thousand more miles.
Why because I said I was.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Going to love that sort.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
I love that story, and that was a gift because
it reverberates in my life to this day. Because I
have challenges in my life. They come up emotional challenges,
challenges and relationships, challenges, in business, challenges in my body
I have. My life is a string of challenges. But
(24:11):
I now know not from affirmation or from prayer, but
from history that I overcome every challenge that's not aspirational.
That's my identity now because of this snake bite, and
there have been more challenges and that's just what happens.
(24:31):
And so my life is not without suffering now. But
I know if I do a comparison from when I
was twenty nine thirty looking in that mirror to now,
if I have a challenge, or I have a tough day,
or I feel if I'm in the gray, as you say,
I now know I am not depressed. I may feel
(24:54):
depressed in this moment, I am not depressed. Who I
am the truth of who I am a warrior. I
never give up. I overcome every challenge. I am joy,
I am faith, I am love. I'm a man of gratitude.
I'm a man of generosity. That is my truth. And
there's this moment right now maybe I'm doubting or I'm
doubting this thing and I feel overwhelmed. That's okay, because
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I now know patience, and I know tomorrow I'm not
gonna be in this emotional state. I'm gonna be in
a different one because that's what I do every time
I'm challenged and so we have the opportunity. It starts
it starts off aspirational, right, that's what prayer is. You know,
I went to church a couple of months ago, and
we sing these worship songs. You know, God, I give
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everything to you, I lay it down on your feet. Right,
what are they saying? Worship songs like? You know, it's
all aspirational, and the pastor came up after he goes.
You know, we sing these songs because we know at
some level we aren't that. We aren't that yet that's
what we want to be. So it starts off saying
it to yourself, brainwashing it to you, the writing in
the journal, I'm gonna walk across America no matter what.
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And then we get these opportunities that God gives us,
like you said, adversities a gift or life gives us.
And then we have the opportunity to change them from
aspirational to real. That's my life. It's taking these wild
things or these things that maybe something the wildest challenges
in my life right now don't seem wild to other people.
(26:25):
There's some normal thing that I skipped over, right, like
like being a good partner to my girl, right, like
being a good Son. Right, this is some of the
things I skipped over my twenties. You because I was
so concerned with being great. Sometimes I forgot to be good.
So uh, some of my some of my like walks
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across America now are things that seem simple to other people,
but they're big things for me. I take I take
no over in my journal. Go do two years ago?
You want to offer to help your mom with that?
Two years ago? You want to You want to have
been thinking about the other human being right there in
that moment. And I celebrate myself because the culture rewards
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you for the wrong things. And you and I both
have seen people get rewarded, maybe they get a lot
of material success who aren't good people, and sometimes they
get there the wrong So the culture, sometimes the world
we live in sometimes rewards human beings for doing the
wrong thing.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
And people ask me about that, and I go, I
don't know why good things happen to bad people and
bad things happen to good people.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
But I don't try and figure life out.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
The point I want to make on this because on
one level, you're right, it's not our job, that's God's
job on it. But for ourselves, right, we have to
reward ourselves when we have this. Like the other day
I did a I had a call I have I
to do it. This is an example of my point.
I'm a tight end, don't worry. So the other day
(27:55):
I do this. I have this community called Inner Bloom
and I do We do a call every week we
talk about stuff like this and I work with people
one on one and we pray and we do breath work.
That's what we do. Do it once a week. It's free.
It's on Zoom, so anyone listeners can join. And I
had this amazing call. I had this interaction with this
this person, and I could tell I made a difference
(28:18):
and I felt really like touched that I got used
to help somebody else and I hung with the car.
I felt incredible. Let's call it. I always feel incredible.
Like my favorite part of the week, I was staying
in my mom's and I was leaving the next day.
And my mom's seventy years old. She lives alone. She's
a widow. My father passed away seven years ago. And
(28:38):
I just thought about her. I go, she's gonna be
alone when I leave her. And she's seventy. So I
just said, I said that to a cost of Mom,
what do you need help with? Like, do you need
to pick anything up? Move anything? She goes, yeah, actually,
I want to turn the mattress. You know, I turn
the mattress, right, So I help her with that, and
you know, like, and it was just a little It
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sounds so stupid, but I knew three years ago I
wouldn't after that, And so I write that my journal.
And the point is I celebrate that myself. I give
myself credit. I don't wait for the world or life
because she might not say thank you. She did say
thank you, but in some other examples she might not
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say thank you. She might say fuck you.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
You know, you never know. You don't need a new
record deal to reward you this.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
I need to reward me for the growing in the
area that I have chosen. I want to grow them.
And so we can't depend on the culture to do
that for other people, yes, it's in God's hands, but
for us, we have to take some sovereignty over our
own lives. Reward ourselves when we do these things that
matter to us well, and give ourselves a little pain,
not a lot of pain. Don't beat yourself up, but
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enough pain when we don't do them that. Hey, we
move over there then, so then we're living a life
on our terms. That's sovereignty.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
You're Ral's thanks story kind of reminds me of the son.
I always tell people to be proud of your scars,
and you know, everybody kind of leaves with their highlights.
I always leave with my scars. I would tell people
how fucked up I am? Oh man, you know I'm
You know, I've had twelve ruptures in my back and
six of my deck, and I have depression anxiety HD
have broken this nose seven times.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
And I don't ever lead.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
With you know it was m Bowlers for five years,
or I'm gonna TV Hall of Fame. I don't ever
fucking lead with that. I always lead with how fucked
up I am. And if you go and look at
your story, same thing, you know which ones I want
people to realize this which is more rewarding intriguing. A
guy who's a big music story says he I'm gonna
go and walk across America. Or a guy gets spit
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by round of snake in the middle of nowhere and
walks another one hundred thousand miles.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
That's the story.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
I want to see that's right.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
I don't think I make it right.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
That's the story, and just that little shift that's being
proud of your scars, and that's that's.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
The shift we need to make. Dude. I love that.
I love that you hit that.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
That's my favorite people that do that. And that's probably
why I love you so much, you know. And it's like,
we talked about this a little. I can't remember we
were recording already or not, but you talked about how
you change the name of the show from mental health
mental wealth, the wealth because so much of this, you know,
I shy away from that word to mental health because
(31:22):
mental health is for a lot of people just means
complaining right right right, right right. And the rattlesnake story,
the scars story, for the depression anxiety story for Jay
is a beautiful story. If it's the first chapter, should
have overcome correct or if it's chapter three. But if
it's the last chapter of your book, it's not so
(31:43):
so mental Wealth is saying, hey, I'm sharing this stuff
with you today. Jay's sharing this stuff with you, leading
with the scars to show you you can change the ship.
You can't overcome, you have more agency in your life,
over your life than you realize. We all do we
all do? You have autonomy over your moods? You have
(32:04):
autonomy over your body, of autonomy over your mind. Even
if you read Victor frankel Man Search for Meaning, Even
if you lose autonomy over all those things, this man
wrote this book from a concentration camp, Nazi concentration camp.
He said, even if you lose all of those things,
where you have no more choices, you have no autonomy
over your body, where it is no autonomy over your food,
(32:27):
you're starving, He said, you can still when everything's been
taken from the external world, you can still choose to
deal with your suffering in a dignified way, and that
can never be taken from you. This is a man
who is having God experiences in Nazi concentration camp, as
his body fell apart, as every member of his family
was killed, as he looked outside and felt more connected
(32:47):
to his wife than he ever felt, and she was
already dead, but you didn't know it yet. This is
so I read this, I gole, what's my excuse? Today?
You know what's my excuse? We have autonomy over our
lives and every moment that we're given is a gift.
Whether it's a beautiful moment it's an invitation to celebrate,
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or a challenging moment, it's an invitation to grow where
here is human beings, and it's a privilege to share
this moment. And no one can take away that privilege
from you except yourself.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Take us through the end of the journey. I do
want you to take us through the end of the journey.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
That's the end of the joy. I mean, after the
snake bite, I knew nothing could stop me. That was
the gift. It was like I went not the snake bite,
but choosing to go back. Then I hit the Rocky mountains.
So I went up the Rocky mountains, I went down
the other side. When I was coming down the other side,
I go, dude, I am so much stronger than I
(33:44):
thought I was before I started this journey. I was like, yeah,
I heard this story about there's a Buddhist monastery and
a monk is walking around the monastery and there's a
clay statue of the Buddha, this big clay statue, and
they walk around it every day and they do their
prostrations and their rituals, and one day he's walking around,
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he notices there's a crack in the clay and the
statue and he goes to look at and there's like
light coming out of the crack. What is this? And
he's just examining. The other monks come look and examine it,
and as they look closer, they realize this clay statue
is not it's gold underneath. It was covered by clay
(34:29):
hundreds of years ago because there were invaders coming and
they didn't want the invaders to see how valuable it was.
And they start to very carefully peel off and take
the clay off of this Buddhist statue. And it's a
gold statue that's each one of us underneath the story
of who we've told ourselves we are is a version
(34:52):
of ourselves that's impossibly beautiful, beyond recognition. And so me
doing this journey was me take some chips. And I'm
still doing that, right, We're all still It was me
taking a little clay off that statue. And as I
got bit by the snake, I chose not to quit.
I took a little clayoff or some more goal and
(35:13):
as I went up into the rocky mountains, after more clayoff,
and then I went down on the other side of
the rocket, took a little more clayoff, and I realized, dude,
like I can do anything because I now choose to
walk into adversity. I choose adversity. Other people run. I
used to run from adversity. My life became really small.
(35:33):
I started running to adversity, and my life became really big.
So I just kept putting one foot after the other.
I kept taking steps until I walked across Colorado. I
kept taking steps until I walked across Navajo Nation. Had
a spiritual experience there again to that I could come
back on the show. Walk across Arizona, I kept taking steps.
(35:54):
I walked across the Mojave Desert. I kept taking steps.
I walked into California. People started texting me, congratulations, you
did it. I remember, like fuy, I didn't do shit.
I just made it to California, got three hundred more miles.
They don't know, like you know, I'm not done. I
kept taking steps until I walked into la I kept
thinking steps so Hollywood, sunds am I right, kept taking steps.
(36:15):
The pavement turned in the sand. My walk turned into
a sprint. After six months and three days, two eight
hundred and fifty one miles. I think something like six
point zero one million steps. I dove into the Pacific
Ocean and in that moment, the waves are washing over me.
(36:38):
For over a year, I've been dreaming of the moment
I was now inhabiting, and every time I dreamed about it,
I expected to feel accomplishment, as if I had completed
something that really mattered. But when I got into the
actual moment, where it was physically in that world, the
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sun is shining down on me, and some of my
loved ones are on the beach waiting for me to
come back in, I didn't feel accomplishment. I felt somebody
didn't expect to feel. I felt possibility, almost like all
the colors on my canvas had been white, clean, blank canvas,
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Like if I did this, I can't do anything.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
You can paint anything.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
That's right, and so it was. It felt it felt
like the first day of my life.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Wow, that is that makes you the richest guy?
Speaker 3 (37:40):
I know. I feel like that.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
That is amazing.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Man.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
I realized that is amazing.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
So now I'm gonna back in because let me tell
everybody how I first met Mike and he didn't know
this until just now.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
So I first met Mike.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
The forty nine Ers are playing the Chiefs at the
Super Bowl in Vegas last year. John Lynch aka forty
seven read good good friend of mine. I got him
a room at Delilah so he could have a little party,
and he's like, Jay, you got to come see this guy.
I'm bringing my friend, Mike Posner. And he's like, dude,
this guy came and he did breath work with the
(38:16):
team and all these players start crying and I'm like, hey,
my poster.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Isn't he like a singer. He's like no, No, He's
so much more than that.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
He's like, yeah, these guys crying and everybody and I
saw you, you know, tell this story and seeing that
night with the forty nine ers, and I go and
call I want a Jim, call them breakable and holding
about unbreakable is you? It was a community, you know,
it was more of a mental health place than a gym,
because it was about being connected and pushing your breaking
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points and pushing your breaking points and pushing your breaking points,
everything else gets easier, exactly what you're talking about. And
my head coach, there was a guy named Jason Borbo,
who man, I hired this guy ten years ago, making
twenty four grand a year to sweet floors and mop
floors and basically sleep there. And that was like kind
of the right of a passage for a fighter. Back then,
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he and I were fight teammates, and he's gone on
to now be an owner of Unbreakable Barner, one of
the best friends I've ever had in my life.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
But we were training a lot of these stars in
the road.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
He's training Demi Levado and Nick Jonas on the road
and he calls me up. He says, Hey, I'm training
this other guy. I'm not charging him, like me not
charging him And he's like, no, trust me, I'm not
charging this guy. He's like, you, man, he's trying to
change himself so he could change the world.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
And I was like, what do I say there?
Speaker 1 (39:37):
So when I called Borba to tell him about my
experience with the forty nine ers, he was like, dude.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
That's the same guy.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
That's the guy that we didn't charge him, Like, oh
my god, And it really is.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
It's you were trying to change yourself so you could
change the world.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
And that's what I've kind of realized in this journey too,
like I realized I want to tie I let on
out mind body, spirit journey, and like I did the
Buddies things where I really kind of got deep at
the universe. It was almost like God in the universe
were talking to me, going, hey, no one was against you.
We just needed you feel this pain so you could
help others through theirs. And at the same time, we
need you to see all your other dreams came shrew
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during the process so we could keep you afloat.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
That's what I got.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
And wow, so I had this anger and resentment, and
all of a sudden, I'm like you looked at it
that way.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
You're right, like you're talking about looking at your life
in a different way. You're right. All my dreams did
come true.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
The journey was hard, but that's what you and I
were talking about, these hard roads.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
You know, it's not all paved.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
There are rattlesnakes, you know, there are mountains to go
up and down, and then the pot of.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Gold, the end, the rainbow.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
For us is just to keep walking that but one foot,
one foot in place the other man.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
It's such a beautiful story.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Man.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
I am so honored that you came on with us.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Really cool.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
I know it's a long time time we've been trying
to put this together, man, but this, for me was
probably my favorite sit down on a Bret. Oh.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
That means a lot to me, And thank you so
much for the opportunity. I knew it was gonna be
beautiful to share space. I feel, I feel like always
I got to hear you speak more.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
But uh, I read, I have one.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
More question for it because I asked, every ask every guest,
give me an unbreakable moment, and that is the moment
that should have broken you. Might have already said the
moment that should have broken you in life and didn't,
and as a result, you came through the other side
of that tunnel stronger forever.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
I think the snake, but it was definitely one of them.
I had another one, you know, after I this is
like a tale for another time. But after I got
out of that ocean and I felt that possibility, decided
something else to push my own boundaries, right like you
said at the gym, and so I chose to climb
Mount Everest and that was a lot longer journey. Actually
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took a year and a half to prepare for and
when I got there, it was that camp to Mount
Everest and there was an avalanche and the air blast
from the avalanche hit our tent and ripped the tent open.
Snow was funneling in, and I didn't think I was
gonna die. I just knew I was dead. It was
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like my worst night mare. I'd read about stuff like this,
and I knew the risk was about one percent death rate,
and I was comfortable with that. I was like, I'm
in the one percent, like this is it. And magically
the blast subsided before it causing damage to us. And
there was another moment where I either just go down
(42:43):
or keep going up, and I chose to continue climbing
the mountain. And I summitted the mountain two days later,
and I wept on that summit because there were voices
inside me telling me not to do it, and I
did it, and they would pull it off, get down safely,
most importantly, and it was just it was just it
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was the same lesson I've been talking about. It's like,
you're stronger than anything, stronger than anything, don't judge yourself
too early, keep going and you will be amazed by
what life and God haveing stuff for you, Mike, my brother.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Thank you so much. Man.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Look you've changed me today. It transformed me today. I
know you're others out there. You've done the same thing again.
Inner Bloom. How do people go to your community inter bloom?
Speaker 3 (43:28):
Yeah, just some go to Mike posn dot com. There's
a there's a free album inside there have my music
that doesn't exist anywhere else. And more importantly, it's just
a community of people were having conversations like this and
not you know, we do the zoom calls once a week.
They're also totally free. The whole thing's free. But beyond that,
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on a daily basis, people are sharing their challenges and
their wins and doing this on a daily basis. So
it's not like social media where people are you know,
every comment in One comment might be nice, other one
tears you down, and everyone's making fun of you, and
it's all This is a this is a community of transformation.
So we called a space for miracles and transformation to
take place. And so you know, as you know, you
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get you down this path of changing your life, trying
to change yourself so you can change the world. Like
you said, that can be a lonely path, you know,
because the people in your immediate surroundings may not be
on that path, and so we're just collecting people on
that path so they cannot be alone.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
That's it, count me and brother Mike.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
I appreciate it so much. Mike Posner Man, my brother, dude,
I am walking this walk with you.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Love your brother, Love you too, God let you. Jay
tucks in
This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental wealth podcast
build you from the inside out.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Now Here's Jay Glacier.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Welcome into Unbreakable mental Wealth podcast with Jay Glazer. I'm
Jay Glazer and joining me today is somebody who our
universes have connected in the past and so many different ways.
And it's not what he does for a living what
I do for a living, but it's gonna be pretty
cool when you all hear it. You guys probably know
Mike Posner, who is a huge performer, producer, director everything
(00:38):
you Can Imagine, also has recently produced his own community
right Inner Bloom, trying to help you build up on
the inside out. We're going to talk about that a
little bit. Released a new album recently called The Beginning.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Man.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Mike, so happy to have you here. I appreciate you
and you time in and I'm gonna tell people how
we met.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Nos thank you for having me. It's been been a
long time coming. And I just really like you personally,
so I'm excited to interface with your audience, but even
more some just you say, to have a conversation with you. Brother.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
You know what, man, what I love about you as
you and I like I don't know what your reasoning
is for me. I looked at it like, because I've
done so many bad sob stuff in this world. I
was like, you know what, no one's ever gonna question
my manhood. I can cry on the drop of a time.
I'm gonna start using my pain and paying it forward,
(01:30):
using my pain to help others through theirs.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
And I kind of several years ago said, if.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
We're gonna start being vulnerable and opening up, I want
to be the one to lead the way. God blessed
me with the ability to communicate, and I'm gonna start
doing it. But I didn't fear it because I'm like
and I fought in a cage, I've wrestled football players.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I'm a bad soob. You've done the same thing.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
You've got a similar transformation, and I want you to
tell the audience about that, but also tell me why,
what prompted it, What gave you?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I guess that the bravery to do that.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Well, it wasn't so much bravery that started my journey,
Jay was. It was good old fashioned pain. I was
twenty nine, my father just passed away. One of my
best childhood friends, Ronnie, had just passed away. And my
peer was also my friend, but my collaborator of Ichi.
It just passed away, and I remember looking in the
(02:22):
mirror in West Hollywood and thinking that, like, is this it?
You know? I played the game. I was twenty nine,
and I played the game so well. I had millions
of dollars, I've become famous, I had Grammy nominations, and
something just felt so empty in my life, to the
point where I was thinking, you know, if I killed myself,
(02:46):
the world would be just fine. Like, I'm not sure
I'm really adding anything here. That's not a nice story,
but it's the beginning of a story. It's not an end, right,
And so that's what started my journey. I decided right there, buddy, Yeah,
I just I decided that year. Listen, I love this phrase.
(03:08):
It is when the future is empty, the present is unbearable.
When the future is empty, the present is unbearable. So
if there's nothing in my future I look forward to, Yeah,
this moment right now is gonna be pretty tough to
get through. So I needed to put something in my
future that a didn't make any sense right was was
(03:31):
was gonna be something that shook me out of whatever
hedonistic fever dream and trance I had fallen into, and
I needed something that scared me, that was that was
in my future and in a good way, and something
that inspired me. And so I chose that year to
walk across America on foot. I chose. I said, I'm
(03:53):
gonna I'm gonna start on in the Atlantic Ocean Asbury, Partner, Jersey.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
That's why I was born.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
You're born in Asbury Parker or nept.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
To, which is next to it, but Josh, that's where
I was born.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yep, oh way. And I said, I'm gonna just keep
walking until I get to the other side. Now, you
got to keep in mind, I'm twenty nine and I'm soft. Okay,
I've accomplished a lot, but I got soft little piano
hands right from being in the studio. My whole life
at that point is designed for me to be the
(04:27):
most comfortable. I got a spider web of agents and
managers assistants around me just doing everything I want. So
for me to say, hey, I want to make my
life uncomfortable. You know, it's not my walk across America
is not special. Ten to fifteen people do it every year,
but none of those people walked away from what I
walked away from which was what everybody else wants. Fame, adoration, money,
(04:53):
attention from the opposite sex, right, everything that we all
dream of. I had and it didn't work. So I
said to try something else. So I put this thing
in my future, this goal of walking across America, because
I said, dude, the current version of me who's living
in this West Hollywood guesthouse can't do it. For me
(05:13):
to get to the other side, I'm going to have
to become a new human being. I'm not tough enough
right now. I know I can't do it. So this goal,
if I can achieve it, is going to obliterate all
my other goal. It's going to make me a new
human being. I don't know how I'm going to do it,
but I'm going to figure it out and I'm not
(05:33):
going to stop until I do it. And so this
is the gift now of putting something compelling in the future,
what I call a soul goal, not just like, hey,
you know, I want to increase revenue ten percent. It's
not a soul goal. Is like, I don't know if
I can do this, but if I can pull it off,
it would change everything. That's this old goal and it
(05:54):
scares me. So the benefit of a soul goal is
that it can reach back. This thing in the future,
can reach back from the future and imbue the present
moments suffering with meaning. Right, As a Nietzsche said, he
who has a why can overcome almost anyhow, Right. So,
(06:14):
if I know why I'm doing what I'm doing, then
there's nothing that can stop me. Most people get it backwards.
They start trying to figure out how First, give me
the top ten tricks, give me the thing. But if
you know why you're doing it those tricks, you can
throw all those tricks out the window.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
You know, it's the first first color and coaching might
have been give them a why, don't just tell them
do it?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Why are they doing it like this? Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Yeah, that's right. And if they know, hey, what are
we working for? Working for a championship? And then we
know that's why I'm doing two a days right now.
And does it suck, Yes, it sucks, but I know
why it sucks. And in the future, just the chance
of it happening is so glorious and so beautiful and
so inspiring to me that I am now willing to
(06:59):
overcome this stuff that I'm in right now, because suffering
is part of life absolutely, and you know this, but
maybe your audience, you know they're young or whatever, it's coming.
There's could be moments. No one gets out of this
thing unscathed without being challenged in a very real way,
whether it's emotionally, spiritually, physically. And so we have to
give ourselves the gift of a why and a sole goal,
(07:23):
and then we can we can overcome anything.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
What Mike is saying, also, I think people kind of
they kind of back away from those hard things. You
have to realize adversity is a gift. You got heaven
and you have earth. This ain't heaven that we're living.
You're gonna have problems. There's no godbooks, there's no Mic
posters and Jay Glazers. When you have the good times,
it's for bad times. You don't need helping the good times.
You just need the bad times. And that's really the
key to life of how to get over those uncomfortable situations.
(07:49):
But for you to put yourself in the most uncomfortable
situation is that I want to go and do something
that would never think about.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Leave it all behind.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
I'm gonna walk across America, continue to take us on
your journey keep walking those walk with those.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Well, part of the jay was the opposite. You know,
I was at this point you said, I'm a badass,
will be. I've fought in the cages. So I was
now thirty. I'm twenty nine that year. By the time,
you know, it's like, I'm thirty years old, and I
I said, I'm not a bad us so be. You know, like,
I've accomplished a lot in my artistry, but there's something
about the way, there's something about the way I interface
(08:24):
it with the world that I know I'm not a
man yet, and I know I'm not gonna become that
by having even more success.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Our wallets are not antidepressants.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
It's a hard lesson, a learned when you when you
realize it, right, Mike, Like, oh, if I was rich
and famous, all my problems and my mental health issues
would go. Wait, no, your mental health issues drove you
to be that successful. But they don't.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
They're still there, that's right. And so I intuitively realized
the point you just made that adversity is a gift
and for me to grow, it wasn't gonna be to
have another hit record. It was gonna be go do
something really hard and hard in a way that it
scares you. And when you like, it's hard to describe
to human beings who never gone to this edge when
(09:10):
you're on the edge of I'm doing something that matters
to me so much, but I don't know if I
can pull it off. You're on that edge, it's hard
to describe. And even Jay like, I'm not even really
on it right now. Right, It's like there's something about
those moments in life that just change everything. Colors, colors
(09:32):
are brighter, right, It's like there's a tension in your body,
but it's a good tension. There's like a stress in
your body, but it's a good stress because I'm I'm
having to summon for everything out of my being to
even have a chance to do this one thing that
I've decided matters. Right, And so I got on this
journey and I start putting one foot in front of
(09:54):
the other, and like any journey, it starts off, and
you know, I'm doing interviews with CB yes, and it's
getting attention, and I'm walking like ten miles a day.
You know, in America's three thousand miles a wide, So
at that pace, you know, I'd like finish somewhere, like
you know, twenty eighty five or something, and I'm like, yeah,
I remember saying to myself, like walking across America's easy,
(10:16):
and I would eat those words, you know, because a
month later, two months later, this unbelievable pain that had
surpassed anything that can be achieved in an equinox gym
took over my body, like like I wake up and
I could barely stand up.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Well, where were you sleeping during this?
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah? I walked supported. So I had a friend and
we had an RV and that would go ahead of
me each day, and I walked twenty four miles a
day at the beginning, Like I said, I walked ten,
but I built up so my average twenty four. I'd
walk six days a week, and each night I'd sleep
in this RV. And that's basically how we did it
(10:57):
the entire journey, except for the mountains or the Mahave Desert,
those places the argument couldn't go because we were walking
a remote route, and those places we'd sleep in the tent.
And after a few months it became unbearable. I mean,
the pain was just unlike anything I ever experienced, to
(11:19):
the point where I remember being in Kansas and I
was on this remote dirt road and my body just
I guess it was overheating to some unsafe degree. And
I remember having thoughts that seemed like they were coming
from out. I don't know if you ever got to
this point in your training or you think you have
a thought, but it feels like it came from out,
(11:40):
so almost like you heard it from outside. I would
say like, hey, look at that squirrel, and I go
who said that? I was like, uh oh, like I'm
not doing so good out here, and then I realized,
like I'm not moving. Every time I have a kind
of a thought tangent like that, or as my feet stopped,
and I remember turning around looking at looking behind me,
(12:01):
and usually there were these footprints behind me, a couple
of feet between each footprint from where I had taken steps.
But on that day I looked back and there was
a ski track like my feet were dragging, and it
was like to the point where almost like I pick
up each foot with my with my hands and then
that's the physical part, but then the mind latches onto
(12:23):
that and goes, dude, you're not even halfway. How are
you gonna do the Rocky mountains. If you're already this
messed up, how you can do how he does. If
you're already this messed up. If you're this messed up here,
now multiply this pain by two or three. That's how
it's going to be a two three. So my mind
would start to do this to me. Wow, and it
(12:44):
was just nothing but fear, because I thought, well, I
don't want to quit, but my body's gonna make me quit.
My mind was saying that for my body. Right My
body hadn't quit, but my mind was saying, hey, hey,
like all these wild stories. And so I learned patience.
I'm saying, these are the thoughts you're having right now
(13:05):
on this day. But tomorrow maybe you need to drink
some water, maybe you eat some food, then you need
to sleep, see how you feel tomorrow. And so these
these moments, right these the mind can create these stories saying, hey,
you're gonna feel like this in two months. You're gonna
it doesn't know how you're gonna feel. This is even
how you're gonna feel in twenty minutes. Dude, I had
(13:25):
a moment fifteen minutes ago before you start speaking, where
I was upset about some I'm not upset now, you know.
And so I learned this patience that we're always in
a state, right, and life is really your states, right
if you're may and everyone has a home based state, right.
My home base before I did this journey was depression
(13:47):
and sadness and cynicism. And that's not to say I
don't ever experience those emotions now, but they are no
longer my home base. My home base now is joy, gratitude, faith.
Now I go visit negative lands sometimes I'm not gonna lie,
but I don't live there anymore.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I love that, And so man, I love that.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I love that so much, right there, dude, I love
it so much, and it's such a great that smacked
me across the face.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I love that. I appreciate that. I'm grateful for that.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Yeah, you got it, and so I think you lived
that right, and so at least that's how you show
up to me.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
But I used to talk. I talk in my life
as gray and blue. I live in the gray, and
the gray is the shit. It's the depression of the anxiety,
the bipolar, the HD, the negativity, the.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Bad self talk. That was my home base.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
That was my you know, that's what I know my baseline,
and the blue for me was like hey this, you know,
the chirping birds and the and the sun and all that.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I just never it's just not my world.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
And because I've started to have conversations with guys like
you and open up like this, I seen some streets
of blue now and.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Now it's kind of even further.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
I've cracked it, and same thing I'm I would say,
I'm probably tooth herds in the blue, one third in
the gray.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
But it doesn't it visits me now. It's not, it's
not it's not my captor.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
You know what he called persons two thirds in the blue,
one in the gray, fucking winning and the enlightened motherfucking
person winning.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
You are right from a guy who was ninety nine
in the fucking gray.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yes, but like you said, it's a lot of fucking work.
It didn't happen. This is five years after for me, right,
it's a lifetime of therapy. But five years since I've
really opened up, and the opening up part has allowed
me to have conversations like this. And like you and I,
if we met years ago, we wouldn't have these conversations.
I would tell you what I did in the NFL.
You probably tell them what you did as a performer,
and you know we do that shit. This is you know,
(15:39):
this turns you go from friends to brothers, which is cool.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Yeah, that's the blue, that's the blue.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
That's the continue man, keep going.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
This was this, This was like really it. You know,
I could spend two hours on this walk. But this
is like life teaching. Yep, this moment going. Life is
your states, right, So, like you said, if you have
a dominant state of depressed or cynical, I don't care
if you make a billion dollars or you win ten
NFL championships or thirteen Grammys or all three of them.
(16:11):
Your life is depressed and cynical, and I don't want
to trade places with you. Right. So the game that
you and I both realized, Hey, we were playing the
wrong game. We won the external game, but we were
promised that the internal state would follow if we won that,
and it didn't do, so then we start playing the
internal game. Now, hey, is to play both? Can you
(16:32):
play both? Right? But the internal game is your states,
your moods. The mood is a mode of beings, and
you can change your moods. You can change your states
not to be perfect, right. Can't live in happy, go
lucky all the time, nor should you wouldn't be healthy, right,
But you can change your home base, you can change
(16:54):
your default. So I learned that in this moment that hey,
I feel jacked up right now, but I'm gonna just wait.
I'm not gonna quit in this moment. I want to
quit right now. I'm gonna do nothing. I'm gonna finish
this day. I somehow did the rest of my twenty
four miles, and I did somebody I didn't do the
whole rest of the journey. I said, I'll take two
(17:15):
days off. I'm gonna take two days off. I'm gonna eat,
I'm gonna drink. I can see if I can find
somebody in Kansas to rub my feet, you know, and
like get a massage, and then I'll reassess. But right now,
clearly I need some water. Clearly I need you know,
So let me do that first. Just be patient. And
(17:35):
so this is a life lesson. Right, you feel angry,
you know in a relationship doesn't mean you should leave.
The relationship means you need to change your state, right,
And so we could take action, and most of us
I suspect you and the people listening. I make stuff happen. Right.
We don't need SOMEONNNA get us motivated, but we need
(17:56):
to be motivated from a place of abundance, from the
right frequency. Are we taking the calls to like do
the sales but we're actually like kind of pissed off
while we're doing this, or it's not even a fact. Right.
We need to be from the frequency of love and
then take the action. So my frequency was all jacked up.
I learned change the frequency first, then you can make
(18:17):
the decision. They don't ever make a decision from fear,
And so I did just that. I took the days
and I said, all right, you know I was a
messed up day. But isn't that why I started? Didn't
I start this because I want to experience pain like
I've never felt before, feel that pain, and then decide
to keep going. It isn't this the whole freaking point.
(18:40):
Didn't I say I was going to walk across America
no matter what. Wasn't that my commitment? And now I
have one crazy day I'm thinking about quick No, I
am going to go back on that road. I'm going
to keep going and That's what I did. I went
back to the spot, I took a step. I took
a step, and the adversity wasn't over that. I almost
lost my life. A month later, you know, I got
(19:02):
bit by a poisonous rattlesnake, and that put me in
the hospital, and I went through the same exercise going, hey,
I have every reason to quit right now. In fact,
I have such a good reason to quit right I
got bit by a poisonous snake.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
I was gonna ask you this when I saw you
in Vegas and you're out in the middle of how
do you It's not like this rattlesnake could creep up
on you.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
How did you get bit?
Speaker 3 (19:23):
I think I creeped up on it.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Jay.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
You know, they say there's only two ways to get
bit by a rattlesnake. On one to surprise it, and
the other the other is to be messing with it,
to be like antagonizing it. So I wasn't antagonizing it,
but I just felt the bite on my left ankle.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Which So, were you on a remote road?
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Yeah, I was in the remote road Colorado ten, which
is a state highway, so the too highway probably miles
you know, speed limits probably fifty to seventy miles per hour.
There's no shoulder on that road. It's dangerous, freaking roll
and really high grass and a bunch of rattlesnakes like
I've been. A guy actually warned me that day be
(20:04):
careful of rattlesnakes out here. He saw me walk on
side the rope. Oh yeah, pull his f one fifty
over and goes, you know where you are? I go, yeah,
I do, because you're not far you are from. The
Next time, I said, yeah, I do, but I gotta
support vehicle up ahead and goes, okay, you need water. No,
I got water, thank you. He goes all right, He
starts driving away, hits the brakes, pulls back. One more thing. Yeah,
(20:26):
be careful with snakes. Copy that no flash colored. Three
four hours later, there's a snake with his fangs in
my left leg and uh and it rattled afterwards. Dude,
So I guess I surprised it. I maybe even step
on it. You know, I didn't. I never saw it
with my eyes, felt it, and I hurt after it
bit me. It rattled, and so I felt it and
(20:48):
I heard it, and it changed my life forever because
it crystallized this, this concept that you brought to the
conversation and that I'm just expounding upon, which is your
verse as a gift that gave me adversity that I
didn't really want. You know, my legs swelled to the
size of an elfant trunk. I spent three nights in
(21:08):
the ICU, five in the hospital, and I made the
same decision as I did in Kansas, which was, yeah,
I know I got a reason to quit. I know
that everyone around me, you know, like it's weird to
say this because like, these are my best friends, but
none of them understood what I was doing, none of them.
None of them knew the warrior that had been unearthed
(21:32):
inside me. And they all expected my family too. They
loved me, the most important people in my life, but
they expected me to quit.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
They expect to be a cute stumping you'll be right.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Back, yeah, which is usually a reflection of other human beings.
Made me have what they would do in that situation.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
But I was en who you used to be. But
it's a great lesson that you don't always have to
be right.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
It takes a fraction a second to decide to change
who you're going to that's it and you got it.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
I take another thing, Jay, is most people I would
talk to from the music industry that weren't really my friend.
Guy said, you know, give you a text every four
to six months.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I get.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
I get my every four to six months, twice a
year text from these guys. They go, what's up, man?
Like you want to come to the studio next week?
I go, no, dude, like I'm I'm in Illinois or
I'm in I'm in Kansas. They go, what are you
doing out there? I said, I told you the last
time we speak, I was going to walk across America.
And they'd write back to me and go, yeah, I
remember that. I didn't think you were actually gonna do it, right,
(22:35):
So I tell you something right there about who I
used to.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Be beautiful too for you were like, hey, I am transforming.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I'm seeing other people through their eyes like whoa. I
didn't think he was going to do it, And I'm
becoming the person I want to be. That's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
And so it was just another opportunity with the snake
bite to do that exact thing. Everyone expects me to quit,
and I got a really good reason to quit. In fact,
such a good reason to quit. Quit. Most people won't
even think I'm.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Now will quit if given an outside reason. Right, well,
this happened to me.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
So I can't overcome it, that's right more.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
That's even more.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Mental toughness to say it was something I didn't expect.
And even something like that, which is one in a million,
how are you supposed to overcome it?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
It's your choice.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
I like to look at it as like flip it
even further on its head, like how cool would it be?
I did overcome it, like this really isn't And that
became the gift because like I now get the opportunity,
thank God for the snake bike, I now get the
opportunity to be the man that got bit by a snake,
(23:40):
almost lost his foot and then walked one thousand more miles.
Why because I said I was.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Going to love that sort.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
I love that story, and that was a gift because
it reverberates in my life to this day. Because I
have challenges in my life. They come up emotional challenges,
challenges and relationships, challenges, in business, challenges in my body
I have. My life is a string of challenges. But
(24:11):
I now know not from affirmation or from prayer, but
from history that I overcome every challenge that's not aspirational.
That's my identity now because of this snake bite, and
there have been more challenges and that's just what happens.
(24:31):
And so my life is not without suffering now. But
I know if I do a comparison from when I
was twenty nine thirty looking in that mirror to now,
if I have a challenge, or I have a tough day,
or I feel if I'm in the gray, as you say,
I now know I am not depressed. I may feel
(24:54):
depressed in this moment, I am not depressed. Who I
am the truth of who I am a warrior. I
never give up. I overcome every challenge. I am joy,
I am faith, I am love. I'm a man of gratitude.
I'm a man of generosity. That is my truth. And
there's this moment right now maybe I'm doubting or I'm
doubting this thing and I feel overwhelmed. That's okay, because
(25:16):
I now know patience, and I know tomorrow I'm not
gonna be in this emotional state. I'm gonna be in
a different one because that's what I do every time
I'm challenged and so we have the opportunity. It starts
it starts off aspirational, right, that's what prayer is. You know,
I went to church a couple of months ago, and
we sing these worship songs. You know, God, I give
(25:39):
everything to you, I lay it down on your feet. Right,
what are they saying? Worship songs like? You know, it's
all aspirational, and the pastor came up after he goes.
You know, we sing these songs because we know at
some level we aren't that. We aren't that yet that's
what we want to be. So it starts off saying
it to yourself, brainwashing it to you, the writing in
the journal, I'm gonna walk across America no matter what.
(26:02):
And then we get these opportunities that God gives us,
like you said, adversities a gift or life gives us.
And then we have the opportunity to change them from
aspirational to real. That's my life. It's taking these wild
things or these things that maybe something the wildest challenges
in my life right now don't seem wild to other people.
(26:25):
There's some normal thing that I skipped over, right, like
like being a good partner to my girl, right, like
being a good Son. Right, this is some of the
things I skipped over my twenties. You because I was
so concerned with being great. Sometimes I forgot to be good.
So uh, some of my some of my like walks
(26:45):
across America now are things that seem simple to other people,
but they're big things for me. I take I take
no over in my journal. Go do two years ago?
You want to offer to help your mom with that?
Two years ago? You want to You want to have
been thinking about the other human being right there in
that moment. And I celebrate myself because the culture rewards
(27:07):
you for the wrong things. And you and I both
have seen people get rewarded, maybe they get a lot
of material success who aren't good people, and sometimes they
get there the wrong So the culture, sometimes the world
we live in sometimes rewards human beings for doing the
wrong thing.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
And people ask me about that, and I go, I
don't know why good things happen to bad people and
bad things happen to good people.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
But I don't try and figure life out.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
The point I want to make on this because on
one level, you're right, it's not our job, that's God's
job on it. But for ourselves, right, we have to
reward ourselves when we have this. Like the other day
I did a I had a call I have I
to do it. This is an example of my point.
I'm a tight end, don't worry. So the other day
(27:55):
I do this. I have this community called Inner Bloom
and I do We do a call every week we
talk about stuff like this and I work with people
one on one and we pray and we do breath work.
That's what we do. Do it once a week. It's free.
It's on Zoom, so anyone listeners can join. And I
had this amazing call. I had this interaction with this
this person, and I could tell I made a difference
(28:18):
and I felt really like touched that I got used
to help somebody else and I hung with the car.
I felt incredible. Let's call it. I always feel incredible.
Like my favorite part of the week, I was staying
in my mom's and I was leaving the next day.
And my mom's seventy years old. She lives alone. She's
a widow. My father passed away seven years ago. And
(28:38):
I just thought about her. I go, she's gonna be
alone when I leave her. And she's seventy. So I
just said, I said that to a cost of Mom,
what do you need help with? Like, do you need
to pick anything up? Move anything? She goes, yeah, actually,
I want to turn the mattress. You know, I turn
the mattress, right, So I help her with that, and
you know, like, and it was just a little It
(29:00):
sounds so stupid, but I knew three years ago I
wouldn't after that, And so I write that my journal.
And the point is I celebrate that myself. I give
myself credit. I don't wait for the world or life
because she might not say thank you. She did say
thank you, but in some other examples she might not
(29:20):
say thank you. She might say fuck you.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
You know, you never know. You don't need a new
record deal to reward you this.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
I need to reward me for the growing in the
area that I have chosen. I want to grow them.
And so we can't depend on the culture to do
that for other people, yes, it's in God's hands, but
for us, we have to take some sovereignty over our
own lives. Reward ourselves when we do these things that
matter to us well, and give ourselves a little pain,
not a lot of pain. Don't beat yourself up, but
(29:49):
enough pain when we don't do them that. Hey, we
move over there then, so then we're living a life
on our terms. That's sovereignty.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
You're Ral's thanks story kind of reminds me of the son.
I always tell people to be proud of your scars,
and you know, everybody kind of leaves with their highlights.
I always leave with my scars. I would tell people
how fucked up I am? Oh man, you know I'm
You know, I've had twelve ruptures in my back and
six of my deck, and I have depression anxiety HD
have broken this nose seven times.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
And I don't ever lead.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
With you know it was m Bowlers for five years,
or I'm gonna TV Hall of Fame. I don't ever
fucking lead with that. I always lead with how fucked
up I am. And if you go and look at
your story, same thing, you know which ones I want
people to realize this which is more rewarding intriguing. A
guy who's a big music story says he I'm gonna
go and walk across America. Or a guy gets spit
(30:43):
by round of snake in the middle of nowhere and
walks another one hundred thousand miles.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
That's the story.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
I want to see that's right.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
I don't think I make it right.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
That's the story, and just that little shift that's being
proud of your scars, and that's that's.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
The shift we need to make. Dude. I love that.
I love that you hit that.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
That's my favorite people that do that. And that's probably
why I love you so much, you know. And it's like,
we talked about this a little. I can't remember we
were recording already or not, but you talked about how
you change the name of the show from mental health
mental wealth, the wealth because so much of this, you know,
I shy away from that word to mental health because
(31:22):
mental health is for a lot of people just means
complaining right right right, right right. And the rattlesnake story,
the scars story, for the depression anxiety story for Jay
is a beautiful story. If it's the first chapter, should
have overcome correct or if it's chapter three. But if
it's the last chapter of your book, it's not so
(31:43):
so mental Wealth is saying, hey, I'm sharing this stuff
with you today. Jay's sharing this stuff with you, leading
with the scars to show you you can change the ship.
You can't overcome, you have more agency in your life,
over your life than you realize. We all do we
all do? You have autonomy over your moods? You have
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autonomy over your body, of autonomy over your mind. Even
if you read Victor frankel Man Search for Meaning, Even
if you lose autonomy over all those things, this man
wrote this book from a concentration camp, Nazi concentration camp.
He said, even if you lose all of those things,
where you have no more choices, you have no autonomy
over your body, where it is no autonomy over your food,
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you're starving, He said, you can still when everything's been
taken from the external world, you can still choose to
deal with your suffering in a dignified way, and that
can never be taken from you. This is a man
who is having God experiences in Nazi concentration camp, as
his body fell apart, as every member of his family
was killed, as he looked outside and felt more connected
(32:47):
to his wife than he ever felt, and she was
already dead, but you didn't know it yet. This is
so I read this, I gole, what's my excuse? Today?
You know what's my excuse? We have autonomy over our
lives and every moment that we're given is a gift.
Whether it's a beautiful moment it's an invitation to celebrate,
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or a challenging moment, it's an invitation to grow where
here is human beings, and it's a privilege to share
this moment. And no one can take away that privilege
from you except yourself.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Take us through the end of the journey. I do
want you to take us through the end of the journey.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
That's the end of the joy. I mean, after the
snake bite, I knew nothing could stop me. That was
the gift. It was like I went not the snake bite,
but choosing to go back. Then I hit the Rocky mountains.
So I went up the Rocky mountains, I went down
the other side. When I was coming down the other side,
I go, dude, I am so much stronger than I
(33:44):
thought I was before I started this journey. I was like, yeah,
I heard this story about there's a Buddhist monastery and
a monk is walking around the monastery and there's a
clay statue of the Buddha, this big clay statue, and
they walk around it every day and they do their
prostrations and their rituals, and one day he's walking around,
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he notices there's a crack in the clay and the
statue and he goes to look at and there's like
light coming out of the crack. What is this? And
he's just examining. The other monks come look and examine it,
and as they look closer, they realize this clay statue
is not it's gold underneath. It was covered by clay
(34:29):
hundreds of years ago because there were invaders coming and
they didn't want the invaders to see how valuable it was.
And they start to very carefully peel off and take
the clay off of this Buddhist statue. And it's a
gold statue that's each one of us underneath the story
of who we've told ourselves we are is a version
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of ourselves that's impossibly beautiful, beyond recognition. And so me
doing this journey was me take some chips. And I'm
still doing that, right, We're all still It was me
taking a little clay off that statue. And as I
got bit by the snake, I chose not to quit.
I took a little clayoff or some more goal and
(35:13):
as I went up into the rocky mountains, after more clayoff,
and then I went down on the other side of
the rocket, took a little more clayoff, and I realized, dude,
like I can do anything because I now choose to
walk into adversity. I choose adversity. Other people run. I
used to run from adversity. My life became really small.
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I started running to adversity, and my life became really big.
So I just kept putting one foot after the other.
I kept taking steps until I walked across Colorado. I
kept taking steps until I walked across Navajo Nation. Had
a spiritual experience there again to that I could come
back on the show. Walk across Arizona, I kept taking steps.
(35:54):
I walked across the Mojave Desert. I kept taking steps.
I walked into California. People started texting me, congratulations, you
did it. I remember, like fuy, I didn't do shit.
I just made it to California, got three hundred more miles.
They don't know, like you know, I'm not done. I
kept taking steps until I walked into la I kept
thinking steps so Hollywood, sunds am I right, kept taking steps.
(36:15):
The pavement turned in the sand. My walk turned into
a sprint. After six months and three days, two eight
hundred and fifty one miles. I think something like six
point zero one million steps. I dove into the Pacific
Ocean and in that moment, the waves are washing over me.
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For over a year, I've been dreaming of the moment
I was now inhabiting, and every time I dreamed about it,
I expected to feel accomplishment, as if I had completed
something that really mattered. But when I got into the
actual moment, where it was physically in that world, the
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sun is shining down on me, and some of my
loved ones are on the beach waiting for me to
come back in, I didn't feel accomplishment. I felt somebody
didn't expect to feel. I felt possibility, almost like all
the colors on my canvas had been white, clean, blank canvas,
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Like if I did this, I can't do anything.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
You can paint anything.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
That's right, and so it was. It felt it felt
like the first day of my life.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Wow, that is that makes you the richest guy?
Speaker 3 (37:40):
I know. I feel like that.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
That is amazing.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Man.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
I realized that is amazing.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
So now I'm gonna back in because let me tell
everybody how I first met Mike and he didn't know
this until just now.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
So I first met Mike.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
The forty nine Ers are playing the Chiefs at the
Super Bowl in Vegas last year. John Lynch aka forty
seven read good good friend of mine. I got him
a room at Delilah so he could have a little party,
and he's like, Jay, you got to come see this guy.
I'm bringing my friend, Mike Posner. And he's like, dude,
this guy came and he did breath work with the
(38:16):
team and all these players start crying and I'm like, hey,
my poster.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Isn't he like a singer. He's like no, No, He's
so much more than that.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
He's like, yeah, these guys crying and everybody and I
saw you, you know, tell this story and seeing that
night with the forty nine ers, and I go and
call I want a Jim, call them breakable and holding
about unbreakable is you? It was a community, you know,
it was more of a mental health place than a gym,
because it was about being connected and pushing your breaking
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points and pushing your breaking points and pushing your breaking points,
everything else gets easier, exactly what you're talking about. And
my head coach, there was a guy named Jason Borbo,
who man, I hired this guy ten years ago, making
twenty four grand a year to sweet floors and mop
floors and basically sleep there. And that was like kind
of the right of a passage for a fighter. Back then,
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he and I were fight teammates, and he's gone on
to now be an owner of Unbreakable Barner, one of
the best friends I've ever had in my life.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
But we were training a lot of these stars in
the road.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
He's training Demi Levado and Nick Jonas on the road
and he calls me up. He says, Hey, I'm training
this other guy. I'm not charging him, like me not
charging him And he's like, no, trust me, I'm not
charging this guy. He's like, you, man, he's trying to
change himself so he could change the world.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
And I was like, what do I say there?
Speaker 1 (39:37):
So when I called Borba to tell him about my
experience with the forty nine ers, he was like, dude.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
That's the same guy.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
That's the guy that we didn't charge him, Like, oh
my god, And it really is.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
It's you were trying to change yourself so you could
change the world.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
And that's what I've kind of realized in this journey too,
like I realized I want to tie I let on
out mind body, spirit journey, and like I did the
Buddies things where I really kind of got deep at
the universe. It was almost like God in the universe
were talking to me, going, hey, no one was against you.
We just needed you feel this pain so you could
help others through theirs. And at the same time, we
need you to see all your other dreams came shrew
(40:19):
during the process so we could keep you afloat.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
That's what I got.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
And wow, so I had this anger and resentment, and
all of a sudden, I'm like you looked at it
that way.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
You're right, like you're talking about looking at your life
in a different way. You're right. All my dreams did
come true.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
The journey was hard, but that's what you and I
were talking about, these hard roads.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
You know, it's not all paved.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
There are rattlesnakes, you know, there are mountains to go
up and down, and then the pot of.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Gold, the end, the rainbow.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
For us is just to keep walking that but one foot,
one foot in place the other man.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
It's such a beautiful story.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Man.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
I am so honored that you came on with us.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Really cool.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
I know it's a long time time we've been trying
to put this together, man, but this, for me was
probably my favorite sit down on a Bret. Oh.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
That means a lot to me, And thank you so
much for the opportunity. I knew it was gonna be
beautiful to share space. I feel, I feel like always
I got to hear you speak more.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
But uh, I read, I have one.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
More question for it because I asked, every ask every guest,
give me an unbreakable moment, and that is the moment
that should have broken you. Might have already said the
moment that should have broken you in life and didn't,
and as a result, you came through the other side
of that tunnel stronger forever.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
I think the snake, but it was definitely one of them.
I had another one, you know, after I this is
like a tale for another time. But after I got
out of that ocean and I felt that possibility, decided
something else to push my own boundaries, right like you
said at the gym, and so I chose to climb
Mount Everest and that was a lot longer journey. Actually
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took a year and a half to prepare for and
when I got there, it was that camp to Mount
Everest and there was an avalanche and the air blast
from the avalanche hit our tent and ripped the tent open.
Snow was funneling in, and I didn't think I was
gonna die. I just knew I was dead. It was
(42:22):
like my worst night mare. I'd read about stuff like this,
and I knew the risk was about one percent death rate,
and I was comfortable with that. I was like, I'm
in the one percent, like this is it. And magically
the blast subsided before it causing damage to us. And
there was another moment where I either just go down
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or keep going up, and I chose to continue climbing
the mountain. And I summitted the mountain two days later,
and I wept on that summit because there were voices
inside me telling me not to do it, and I
did it, and they would pull it off, get down safely,
most importantly, and it was just it was just it
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was the same lesson I've been talking about. It's like,
you're stronger than anything, stronger than anything, don't judge yourself
too early, keep going and you will be amazed by
what life and God haveing stuff for you, Mike, my brother.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Thank you so much. Man.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Look you've changed me today. It transformed me today. I
know you're others out there. You've done the same thing again.
Inner Bloom. How do people go to your community inter bloom?
Speaker 3 (43:28):
Yeah, just some go to Mike posn dot com. There's
a there's a free album inside there have my music
that doesn't exist anywhere else. And more importantly, it's just
a community of people were having conversations like this and
not you know, we do the zoom calls once a week.
They're also totally free. The whole thing's free. But beyond that,
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on a daily basis, people are sharing their challenges and
their wins and doing this on a daily basis. So
it's not like social media where people are you know,
every comment in One comment might be nice, other one
tears you down, and everyone's making fun of you, and
it's all This is a this is a community of transformation.
So we called a space for miracles and transformation to
take place. And so you know, as you know, you
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get you down this path of changing your life, trying
to change yourself so you can change the world. Like
you said, that can be a lonely path, you know,
because the people in your immediate surroundings may not be
on that path, and so we're just collecting people on
that path so they cannot be alone.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
That's it, count me and brother Mike.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
I appreciate it so much. Mike Posner Man, my brother, dude,
I am walking this walk with you.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Love your brother, Love you too, God let you. Jay
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