October 12, 2022 • 28 mins
LIVE from the 2022 JBL Fest in Las Vegas, Betty Who is joined by Tigerlily IRL! A fellow Australian and musician, Tigerlily reveals how she took a shot on herself to become a celebrated and highly acclaimed DJ in the global music scene. In our season finale, Betty Who asks Tigerlily about how she cultivated confidence as an artist and found balance and boundaries that help her continually show up for her fans and for herself. Tigerlily also emphasizes the importance of using her platform for more than just positive vibes. There is no better way to close the first season of “Unfiltered: The JBL Podcast,” than to hear the energy and inspiration shared live at JBL Fest this year!
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi everyone, and welcome to Unfiltered, the JBL podcast and
I Hot Radio production and partnership with j B L.
I am your host, Betty Who. This is a very
special episode because not only is it our season finale
if you can believe it, but right now I am
live in the Social studio at JBL Fest in Las Vegas, Vegas. Baby,
it's hot, we're sweaty, we're ready for Doja Cat, and
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most importantly, we are ready for Tiger Lily. Yes, that's right,
this is our guest for today. I'm so excited that
Tiger Lily is here to help me wrap up our
first season of the podcast. If you have been sleeping
on Tiger Lily, let me catch you up. She's a kill,
a DJ and music producer and fellow Australian. When she's
not making and mixing insane beats, you can find her
(00:47):
doing her part as an animal rights activist or hosting
her own podcast, Team Tiger Radio, where she collaborates and
vibes with music's hottest DJs and producers. In every episode,
I cannot wait to talk about what she's listening to
these days, musical inspirations and how she found her vibe
and place in this crazy industry. So what do you say,
Let's get right into it totally. I believe you're here
(01:11):
with me now today. Neither. It's amazing. It's really nice
because I was just saying before we started that I
get really Australian when I'm with a fellow Australian, and
when I'm talking to an American, I feel like I
get really American. So I feel like if you've listened
to any of the episodes before this episode, everyone's going
to be like, this is a completely new host. Because
now I'm a hundred percents turned all the way up.
I'm excited for your inner Bogan to come out. I
(01:32):
feel so alive already. Okay, so when did you get here?
You got here from Sydney, right, you came in Okay,
came here a couple of days ago. Um jet lag
was pretty disgusting yesterday, but feeling really good today. The
podcast today Vegas? Is this your first time in Vegas? Now?
A copy? Definitely not for a djen here many many
many times, maybe one too many times. Well it will
(01:53):
not be one too many of this time. We were
really going to make it happen. Okay, So to start
us off. I've got so many questions for you, but
let's start with this whole podcast is about being authentic,
being confident, being yourself. And from your fabulous sufer and
pink hair and gorgeous energy, I can already tell that
you are excellent at being yourself. But I want to
know what kind of one of the biggest lessons you've
learned through your career as a musician. But also you
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know how it feels to be a role model to
other younger people. Did you make an active decision to
step into the role and take that responsibility. What's that
journey been like for you? So I think the biggest
lesson that I have learned in my career is that
the journey changes and your goals And um, I suppose
your perspective on that journey changes throughout your career and
(02:36):
that's really okay. Um I suppose six years ago, I
was hustling so hard. I was like spending a lot
of time over here and in Europe and away from
my family and friends, and was really unhappy and unfulfilled.
Although my career was like smashing, it smashed, but career
was great, personal life not so good. And so they
said that in Devils Product, they say, if you just
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if your personal life is crumble like, then you're ready
for a promotion. Yes. Absolutely, that's where I was. And
I was like, you know what, I'm I'm not happy
with doing any sacks. Okay, great, Yeah, I don't want
to be doing this anymore. And so I made a
couple of changes with like my goals and what I
wanted to do. And it was the best decision because
like now physically and mentally, I'm so happy and I'm
still achieving different career goals while still having great relationships
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with my family and friends. And yeah, I think that
was probably my biggest learning lesson, but something that was
very difficult to listen to because we're told to just
keep hustling and keep pushing, and in regards to like
being a role model, being you know, a woman and
kind of stepping into that, I never really thought about it.
I just always wanted to be a DJ and do
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music and so I just kind of followed my heart.
But it has kind of ended up that way, which
is really nice. And in Australia, and I actually think
probably here as well, we need more women in music,
especially dance music, because it's um yeah, really crowded by
the lads. Um. So yeah, it's lovely to see more
women joining in. And I'm hoping by you know, continuing
to show up that you know, you can inspire other
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people to feel like they have a place at the table. Absolutely,
that's amazing. With your sort of priorities shifting, Like, what
were sort of the things that you really wanted to
focus on and maybe step back from. Yeah, the things
I wanted to focus on was my physical and mental
health because I was pretty hanging on both throughout. Yeah, absolutely,
in many ways, Um, and like I wasn't allowing giving
(04:29):
myself space to show up for myself. So I wasn't
you know, feeling the best. I wasn't performing the best.
I wasn't able to, you know, come into a podcast
and feel like I was being authentic and really present,
I suppose, Um, So it looked like saying no to
a lot of things. Note a lot of tours, noted,
a lot of festivals. My agents over here and in
Europe and in Asia thought I was mad, but it
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felt terrifying but really good and looking back on it, Um, yeah,
I'm so glad that I listened to is what I
really wanted even though you know, part of me wanted
to just keep pushing through and be a bad bitch
and just make it happen, and the other part of
me knew that I wouldn't be able to keep going
and that's okay, and there's a time and a place
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for it too, you know. I definitely also really believe
in that that thing you have to have a little
bit of that. I'll sleep when I'm dead, you know,
I'm going to work myself to the bone, like I think,
I don't know how how old do you may? I ask? Okay, baby,
ninety two, Baby, I'm a ninety one baby. I love
this first twinning on so many level. I really love
this for us. I feel like at this part, like
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in my life, I don't want to speak for you,
my early twenties was about the like club bus another club,
Yes exactly, I totally. I think that there is an
amount of that that you have to have to get
to where you want to be, and you should follow
it until until absolutely you get to the point where
you're like, all right, I think I did that. What
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in this day and age and in this part of
your life is your favorite way to sort of take
care of yourself and self care for me, like a
bathtub is where I live, That's where I love to be.
What's your vibe, what's your perfect night off? I have
a dog. He's awesome. He's saying it's Lenny. Yeah, I'm
already obsessed with bloody and so I think like one
of the best things for me to do is, you know,
he needs two walks a day. He's a big, energetic
(06:17):
doggo and just getting out in nature and being able
to spend time with him and move my body as
well is so important. Like switch your phone off, you know,
just not even bring it um and just chill out.
I think it's really important in it like the day
and age where we're constantly connected to our laptops and
our phones and everything's buzzing and pinning the whole time.
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It's so nice to be able to switch off and
spend quality time with him and be in nature. I
think it's really healing. So for me, I do that,
you know twice a day at home, and you know,
when you're in places like this, you really miss that
connection a little over stimulated, Yeah, if you will, it's
a big difference when you're because I know sometimes I
have a lot of friends who work in music, and
it's actually really hard to um of music after a
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certain point and feel that connection. Do you still are
you kind of like I do music full time, so
then when you need a break, you have to not
listen to music absolutely okay, because I like to I'm
I'm like music helps me wind down. Also, it doesn't
know I'm all about the rain, apps, nature app or
it's just silent lot of white noise out too. But yeah,
to be honest, when I'm on stage, I love music
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more than anything, and I know it just gives me
these feels of I can't even describe. I'm definitely meant
to be there and I love it so much. But
in my personal life, I definitely think now that I
spend so much time listening to music in the studio,
creating sets, piecing things together. Like this morning, I just
spent a couple of hours starting to piece together my
(07:43):
stet for tomorrow night. I'm not in my hotel room
bopping to music because I've already listened to it so much.
So I try and find a nice balance and you know,
don't pressure myself too much to be like got to
listen to it all the time. Well, when you do
when you are trying to get hyped, do you have
a song that's like it's top of your list of
like I'm getting myself jacked up for something? People, Oh, Brazil, Morocco,
(08:07):
London can do a lever amazing love that Okay, amazing yep.
So they're like my commercial time and party go to. Yeah,
I'm obsessed with this Okay. So have you seen that
this trend on social that I actually really love that
I've been seeing where someone will be like I feel
like I'm not making that enough money doing my art,
and then it's a picture of themselves as a child,
(08:28):
and it's like we make money doing art. Question mark,
have you seen this? I love base throwback. It's quite
a few trends like that where it's like, you know,
talking about what they're doing today and then it's like, oh,
that girl would be so proud of me. That's just
hearing it. Um. What would be your advice to your
young self about kind of staying through to your vision.
(08:50):
It sounds like you've you've done so much growing and
sort of adjusting to the lifestyle that you're crazy. DJ
lifestyle is like intense. So what would you talk to,
you know, fifteen year old you. Well, when I was fifteen,
I definitely wanted to be a DJ. I was at
house parties and you know when you'd have like a
DJ at a house party, and I'd always be there,
like annoying, the masking questions like can I have a go?
(09:12):
And they'd be like get away, so annoying. So I
actually went to university to do dentistry lowell, I know,
and then did that for a year and just realized
that I actually hated science. I've never done science before.
Why would I like science? I was, you know, doing
music and art for my whole of high school. So
(09:33):
I changed my degree and then started to pursue not
a career hobby indejaying I would like to say. So,
what I would say to my fifteen year old self was,
don't doubt yourself, don't listen. Don't go to school for dentistry. Yeah,
don't listen to those teachers. But I think it's it's
so special that you, at such a young age had
that instinct and you you know, did the work that
(09:54):
you had to do and followed the path that you
had to follow to allow yourself to them in the end,
be like this is really where I want to be. Yeah,
and so I starting, thanks, You've provided me with some
nice inside there. Yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah, guess what
I'm here for? Sister. Okay, you're a huge animal rights activist,
which we love. So you have your dogo obviously, how
important is it to you to have, shall I say,
(10:15):
like a cause? So like my mom said to me
when I was twenty one and I was signing my
record deal, and she like, I signed my this big,
exciting major label record deal and basically the week after
she was like, cool, So what's your thing? What's your cause?
What are you going to use? Like, now that you
have a platform, now that you have an opportunity, you
have to use it for a good instead of evil.
How did you actively be like I have to do something,
(10:37):
you know, to heal the world? Was did it just
happen organically? Like told me about this part of your life.
It definitely happened organically, And I didn't really realize how
important it was until I found it and then realized that,
you know, you do have to have a passion for
something other than yourself, and like early it's not cute
to be selfish? Yeah, who knew? So when I was
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like three or four, I remember so clearly this one
Christmas Eve we were sitting down for Christmas dinner, and
I don't know why, but there was like some a
version I didn't want to eat the meat, and my
parents like, you've got to eat your dinner. It's Christmas.
And I was like mm hmmm, So I just like
pretended to eat it, and then like spatter on the floor.
I got in so much trouble. And I remember mom's
(11:18):
I was like, I just want to be a vegetarian,
because being a vegan wasn't a thing back then. And
she was like, when you're older and you want to
cook for yourself, you can do that. And I was like, fackle,
you have three kids, you also works like literally make
a meal for yourself then, babe, absolutely I would have
been living on cereal. I actually kind of came back
around to it and I thought, you know what, I'm
(11:38):
gonna maybe try and cut out all this stuff from
my diet. And then I realized that I wanted to
do that such a long time ago. And then as
soon as I made some changes personally in my life,
I felt a massive shift physically, energetically, and then started
to think there's got to be more to this, like
what what is this? And then I started to look
into the animal rights perspective and what actually happens, and
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I was horrified, obviously, because we're so sheltered. Like you
asked the average person, how many animals do you think
it killed a year, they'd be like, oh, I don't
know a million, No, it's seven billion, Like it's insane. Well,
the environmental aspect of it alone, you know, one of
the biggest contributors to green hyar on the planet. It's
methane from cow factory farming, so totally, and everywhere I
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looked there was like no negative. I was like, you're
saving animals, you're saving people, you're saving the environment, you're
saving your body. I was like, this is amazing. And
so then I started speaking out about it and it
was met with some resistance on my DJ Tiger Lily
kind of page. And people are pretty especially Australians, they
don't like to be told what to do or what
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to think. You know, it can be something for you
that you want to speak about because it's changed your life,
and not everybody has to get on board totally, and
so I realized I needed to create a safe space
for myself where people who wanted to listen could listen
um and so I created like another account on Instagram.
It's called ourshul Purpose and talk lots about it's there.
That's your vegan, that's your vegan profile. Ye. Absolutely, And
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I do some really cool collapse with like vegan and
sustainable brands and we donate all the money to animal
sanctuaries and things like that in Australia. So changing the
world but a little step at a time. It's amazing.
Well on Unfiltered the JBR podcast. After a quick break
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and now back to the show. Okay, I want to
talk more about your music, because that's what we're here. Fore,
you got into music young, You were younger, way younger.
Oh my gosh, how old were you for? Four years old?
Is when you started being like music is my thing? Yeah?
Did they make you play an instrument? They put me
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into piano school, but it was music school, so it
was like percussion, singing, composition, writing, all that kind of stuff,
and yeah, I loved it and just did it. And
then in high school I picked up guitar, and trombone.
Oh my god, you're a bonus. I love myself a bonu.
I can't even tell you. I love my the trombone section.
I went to all performing out of high school and
always all the boys in the trombone section. I was like,
(14:11):
these are my dudes. Yeah. Honestly, when I first went
to like the first day of my school opening, the
band played lasses trombone, which is you know where the
trombones are featured, and I go to, Mom, I'm playing
that instrument they were at the show today. That's going
to be me. That's me. I love this field. I
didn't play that song again that then you just in
the backrooms of the time you're like, I've made the
rock playing the bass line. Um, but I loved it,
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and I did like extension music from my HC, which
for every one listening is like the most music you
can do um possible in Australia, and always wanted to
pursue a career in music, but once again was told
that I should probably go into So what are you
really going to do? Well, yeah, what's your real job
going to be? What was the moment for you? Then, Like,
obviously music has been this huge through line through your
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entire life, do you remember a moment where you were like,
holy sh it, I'm really doing it. Yeah, what's your moment.
So there was this club that I used to go
to called Soho and Zink King's Cross in Sydney and
I used to party that a lot and loved it.
And then maybe three months later I did this DJ
competition called Your Shot, which in Australia like teachers young
kids how to play. You've got like a six week
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intensive training program and then you kind of have a
DJ off like perform against one another. And I came
second in that and my prize for that was a
residency at Soho. So like the circle I know, so
like I have this memory of this wow moment playing
my first set at SOHO, shooting bricks. By the way,
I was so nervous and thinking just months ago, weeks ago,
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even I was in the crowd and now I'm up
here and just having this moment of I used to
look up and think, that's all I want to do,
and I know you're doing it. I was doing it,
probably pretty terribly, but I was doing it and it's amazing,
and I like give thanks to my younger self a
lot for having the confidence to go out there and
get that because maybe now I don't know, I don't
know if I would be So isn't that determined when
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I was? When I was a young person, I remember
having so much unearned confidence, and I've had actually like
a retroactive realizing what insecurity feels like, being like, is
this the thing I haven't been feeling I've had in
my entire life? Just like no thoughts, just vibing my
way through my twenties and now I hit thirty and
I'm like, wait, she was really bald. I love that
(16:22):
for her. I used to walk into clubs pre being
able to mix and would say, Hi, I'm a DJ.
Can I play here? Can I speak to the manager?
Would get business cards, would have all these emails at
emailed them being like Hi, can I play? And they're like, yes,
send me through a mixtape, And of course I didn't
have a mixtape. I've never did in my life. I
think I just wanted to see if I could like
get a gig, and I obviously could, so like, Wow,
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that's cos that's so amazing you really did that. I'm
proud of you. Thank you. Yes, something that I think
about all the time, is I am putting this music out,
I am showcasing this part of myself. I have to
think about what how I'm expressing myself, what it says
about me. What do you, Tiger Lily, want your music
to express about you? What do you want people to
feel when they experience it. I've always just wanted my
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music to be fun and I'm enjoyable, Yeah, totally. I
feel like there's lots of amazing you know, writers who
write ballads about you know, love and breakups and you know,
the world ending and things. And I've just always wanted
my music to be fun because you know, in the clubs,
you know, that's what I'm there to do. I'm there
to entertain people and there to read the crowd um.
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And so I've always kind of wanted my music to
be about that. So I feel like you're at this
place in your life where you are like taking care
of Yourselphomore, this feels like you're in a really good place.
What would you say to people who are sort of
trying to find themselves, find their authentic path and expression
and it's a lot of trial and error, Like what
would you say to them? I think just really looking,
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like taking the time to be quiet and by yourself
and looking inside and really thinking about the person who
you are, but then also the person you want to be.
So I think about the person that I may be
having an interaction with and what type of experience you
want to have from spending time with me. And I
think that that's really important because if I want you
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to get the vibe that I'm kind and authentic and
you know, energetic, let's say, then if I'm thinking about that,
then I'm really going to focus on being the best
version of myself. So I think thinking about how you
want other people to experience your energy is really important
as well. Especially as an artist too. I feel like
that's a huge part of what you do. When you
get on stage or you know, you get behind the
(18:33):
booth in front of all of these people, You're like, okay,
I have to create the vibe. Absolutely You're you're setting
a tone, and not everybody can do that. Not everybody
has that kind of control. Do you have this thing?
I have a little bit of a thing where I am,
especially I feel like as a woman, this is ingrained
in us. I feel very like I'm going to do
the nice thing and just say because I want to
make everybody feel comfortable and safe. That's like a huge
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part of I think my brand is to be like,
you're safe with me, everything's cool here. And I've started
to now again babies. That's the point in my life
where I'm like, oh, wouldn't be super sick if not
everybody thought I was the nicest person a percent of
the time. Maybe it's fine, Maybe it's okay for me
to be like, I know that I know that I'm
a nice person. Yeah, I know that I take care
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of my friends and that I'm generous and kind and funny,
and I know all of these things about myself, and
eight second interaction with a stranger at an inconvenient time
doesn't have to be the thing that I like, hang
my hat on and live or die by You're good.
I still get pretty guilty about that. Like if I've
done like a hundred photos of people and then like
I'm running out and I really need to do away
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or something, and someone's like, oh, can I have another photo?
I'm like, yeah, I tell you, I still I still
I try to say, you know, I'll always try to
be nice to everybody, But I think it's but I
get what you mean. Yeah, you need to where I'm like,
I'm trying to be efficient. I'm trying to save time.
I'm a business person now, like we're trying to build
global empires, sister, and we're out here being like, I
don't have time to waste what stuff? Signing you? I'm
(20:00):
a Libra, what are you? I'm an air? I'm Air
And so we create we create some heat together. I
can't wait. Yeah, I need to take a lesson from
you by probably doing that a little bit more because
I reckon. I'm probably still, you know, a bit hung
up on that. Yeah, it's I understand it's really hard,
but I think I'm there's something that's really cool. I
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think I value my toughness, and I think, especially for you,
I can imagine being in this business that is so
male dominated, that is so chauvinistic, and especially in Australia,
where I have experienced more sexism in Australia than I
have in America. That's my personal you know, I think
it's cultural. You know, um, and I don't want to,
(20:41):
you know, generalize, but you know what I mean, Yeah,
I definitely agree with you. I think there you have
to be a little bit of a tough bitch, right.
I'm sure that you've your skin is thicker than it
was ten years ago, and you've had to arrive at
this place to be like, No, I'm I've had to
claw my way to where I am, Like, I'm not
giving this up for anything. I know who who I am.
So it's funny that I value my toughness, but then
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also am like trying to be the sweet little flower
that everybody can be. You know. It's like so nice. Yes,
it's all about balance my labor energy. But I think
it's cool. I think it's good to like to value
that part of yourself and to be like, no, I'm
a tough fish. That's sick vibes, and this is what
I want and this is what I'm gonna do. Cool vibe. Um.
Speaking of that, Yes, the sort of patriarchy, if you will, Yes,
(21:25):
I want to know you know, we're keeping it light
and fun and authentic. Hashtag authentic, hashtag GBL, hashtag fun um.
But I I want to sort of gauge a little
bit of your experience of I think with social media, musicians, actors,
and other public figures, especially those who are women, are
constantly given an opinion about the way we look about
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the way That's a huge factor, I'm sure, especially also
in night life that you've probably had to experience or
deal with. Can you share about your experience that puts
you in this like kind of spooky like I must
be hot air all limelight, like I mean if I
may be so bank you girl sitting next to me,
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But like do you feel kind of pressure or sort
of putt in a box about it? Do you feel
like it's something that people really remark on all the time,
Like does it make you annoyed? Are you like, yes,
I'm hot, like loving this for me? Where are you
at a bit of all the bit of all of that? Absolutely, Um,
there's definitely pressure to look good. Like you look at
all the female DJs in the world and they are
all smoke shows, they are all super hot, and I'm like,
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that's not a coincidence, Like what's going on? So then
I definitely think there's pressure to I want to look
good and feel good. But for me, I already have
that pressure on myself and it's not physical. It's mental.
When I'm fit and my skins glowy and I've slept
well and I'm eating good. That's when I feel the best.
You're like, look at me, go totally, that's my friend,
(22:51):
absolutely absolutely. So I think for me, I don't mind
as much because I know with or without the expectation,
I would do it anyway. That's a hum that's a
huge part of it, maybe, I think so. I think
I am on the opposite spectrum where if nobody was
watching me, I probably wouldn't. I'm so such a personality, queen,
do you know what I mean? And so it's been
(23:11):
a long journey to arrive at being like this. It
does make me feel better when I take care of myself.
I love she loves to be in the gym and
feel like I'm I'm strong and I'm taking care of
my body and putting that time and effort in. And
so I think you arriving at a place where you're like, yes,
people expect something from me, but I actually do this
for me and not for everybody else. It's probably a
(23:32):
huge factor of what makes it really healthy and really
like useful to you, which makes it easy. Yeah. I
think one thing that does annoy me is that people
always say, oh, you're so pretty or whatever, and then
they say, oh, I saw you perform last night. You're
such a great DJ. That was such a great set.
How much do you love that? Like? Did you think
that I have not had like a twelve year career
and still going strong and like I'm not good? Like
(23:54):
did you think I was bad? Did you think I
was just pressing play on a pre recorded set? But
when people are shocked when they're like, oh my god, wait,
you're actually really good, the surprise and your voice needs
to go like such a back kind of compliment door
actually saying genuinely that I'm good. So I appreciate that,
but like the surprise, it's like the implication is that
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they had yes, that they had no idea that you
could actually like turn it out. So that's really frustrating.
But I think that that is not just the thing
in the music industry, I reckon that's for women everywhere.
Imagine like a super stunning surgeon walks in and she's like,
let's go to do and the guys would be like, oh,
immediately makes a different judgment about her because she looks
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she looks a certain way, And that's something that's always
frustrated me. If you're confident and beautiful physically, and like,
you know, it doesn't necessarily need to look a certain
way because you know, there's so many different elements of beauty.
People think that your diamond can't do something well well
and being beautiful as energy, right, Like I really totally
That's what I was trying to say, Like I think
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that I think that, or of course genetics or a
blessing of course, but like I find that when I
feel my most beautiful as when I'm shining from the inside,
and then people are like, you look pretty today, and
I'm like, I had the same face when I was
hungover and tired and jet lagged and didn't have a
beautiful energy because I didn't feel like myself. So I
think there's such a a light from inside of us
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that you can project and especially it's like sounds like
you've really tapped into and that's the thing that people experience,
they feel your energy when they're with you. How do
you deal with like hashtag caters, hashtag trolls. I mean,
it's like such a does it really actually bother you
or are you at a place where you're like the haters,
I'm good, I couldn't. Okay, that's awesome, but I was
(25:40):
hoping that was you never cared lessive. It's just like
block go away your I tend to laugh because I
think it's I think people drag it like people saying
mean things. Makes me laugh because I maybe I have
enough self love to realize that it's it shouldn't get
past like the outer alma, you know, it's like we
can all off about this together. And I think that's
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you sound like you have a good You're like whatever,
get out of here. My favorite thing on Instagram is
when people I follow call out haters. Yes, and they
don't hide their name, they don't hide anything, and they
just ruthlessly going. And I actually I think, you know,
like I would never do it because this is me
being that nice girl, too scared to do that, but
like allowing these people and so they should because these
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people have come at them publicly, because Instagram is pretty
public saying these awful things. And so that's my favorite
thing to watch the t on Instagram. Something that I
love that you do, also, UM, is that you have
made it a point I feel like to partner specifically
with inclusive clothing brands UM, which as somebody who necessarily
can't you know, probably could fit into a lot of
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different clothing. To actively use your platform and voice to
exclusively work with brands who want to create a safer
space for women in fashion and not just women, like
women and men and everyone like this out that I'm
wearing at the moment. It's from Camilla, which is an
Australian designer amazing and she does stuff that's so inclusive
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and is always thinking outside the square. She does often
cop a lot of hate that she's like not doing
it well enough, but she's giving it a go and
I really appreciate that, and I think that that's really
cool totally. I feel like so many things. First of all,
I feel like we're best friends now so much obsessed
with us. Thank you so much for joining me here
at JBL Fest. This is actually my first in person
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interview for this is the only one all seasons, so
that's really special. Thanks Australias of amazing. Have loved chatting
to you all. The question has been amazing and she's great.
I appreciate it and we're going to party like it's tonight.
Sounds great. Thank you so much again to Tiger Lily
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for joining me at JBL Fest. You are so talented
and bring so much beautiful joy and energy and light
to your fans and now also me and us here
at JBL Fest. It is crazy to say it, but
that is it for our first season. Thank you so
much for joining me on this ride. I had the
most fun, so I hope you did too. Don't forget
to share your thoughts with me on social and leave
a rating and review for the podcast. Wherever you're listening,
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Ep of post production is Matt still Love. Editor Sierra Spreen.
This episode was written and produced by Sierra Kaiser. Special
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thanks to our friends at jb L Initiative and Donna
Hi everyone, and welcome to Unfiltered, the JBL podcast and
I Hot Radio production and partnership with j B L.
I am your host, Betty Who. This is a very
special episode because not only is it our season finale
if you can believe it, but right now I am
live in the Social studio at JBL Fest in Las Vegas, Vegas. Baby,
it's hot, we're sweaty, we're ready for Doja Cat, and
(00:26):
most importantly, we are ready for Tiger Lily. Yes, that's right,
this is our guest for today. I'm so excited that
Tiger Lily is here to help me wrap up our
first season of the podcast. If you have been sleeping
on Tiger Lily, let me catch you up. She's a kill,
a DJ and music producer and fellow Australian. When she's
not making and mixing insane beats, you can find her
(00:47):
doing her part as an animal rights activist or hosting
her own podcast, Team Tiger Radio, where she collaborates and
vibes with music's hottest DJs and producers. In every episode,
I cannot wait to talk about what she's listening to
these days, musical inspirations and how she found her vibe
and place in this crazy industry. So what do you say,
Let's get right into it totally. I believe you're here
(01:11):
with me now today. Neither. It's amazing. It's really nice
because I was just saying before we started that I
get really Australian when I'm with a fellow Australian, and
when I'm talking to an American, I feel like I
get really American. So I feel like if you've listened
to any of the episodes before this episode, everyone's going
to be like, this is a completely new host. Because
now I'm a hundred percents turned all the way up.
I'm excited for your inner Bogan to come out. I
(01:32):
feel so alive already. Okay, so when did you get here?
You got here from Sydney, right, you came in Okay,
came here a couple of days ago. Um jet lag
was pretty disgusting yesterday, but feeling really good today. The
podcast today Vegas? Is this your first time in Vegas? Now?
A copy? Definitely not for a djen here many many
many times, maybe one too many times. Well it will
(01:53):
not be one too many of this time. We were
really going to make it happen. Okay, So to start
us off. I've got so many questions for you, but
let's start with this whole podcast is about being authentic,
being confident, being yourself. And from your fabulous sufer and
pink hair and gorgeous energy, I can already tell that
you are excellent at being yourself. But I want to
know what kind of one of the biggest lessons you've
learned through your career as a musician. But also you
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know how it feels to be a role model to
other younger people. Did you make an active decision to
step into the role and take that responsibility. What's that
journey been like for you? So I think the biggest
lesson that I have learned in my career is that
the journey changes and your goals And um, I suppose
your perspective on that journey changes throughout your career and
(02:36):
that's really okay. Um I suppose six years ago, I
was hustling so hard. I was like spending a lot
of time over here and in Europe and away from
my family and friends, and was really unhappy and unfulfilled.
Although my career was like smashing, it smashed, but career
was great, personal life not so good. And so they
said that in Devils Product, they say, if you just
(02:58):
if your personal life is crumble like, then you're ready
for a promotion. Yes. Absolutely, that's where I was. And
I was like, you know what, I'm I'm not happy
with doing any sacks. Okay, great, Yeah, I don't want
to be doing this anymore. And so I made a
couple of changes with like my goals and what I
wanted to do. And it was the best decision because
like now physically and mentally, I'm so happy and I'm
still achieving different career goals while still having great relationships
(03:23):
with my family and friends. And yeah, I think that
was probably my biggest learning lesson, but something that was
very difficult to listen to because we're told to just
keep hustling and keep pushing, and in regards to like
being a role model, being you know, a woman and
kind of stepping into that, I never really thought about it.
I just always wanted to be a DJ and do
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music and so I just kind of followed my heart.
But it has kind of ended up that way, which
is really nice. And in Australia, and I actually think
probably here as well, we need more women in music,
especially dance music, because it's um yeah, really crowded by
the lads. Um. So yeah, it's lovely to see more
women joining in. And I'm hoping by you know, continuing
to show up that you know, you can inspire other
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people to feel like they have a place at the table. Absolutely,
that's amazing. With your sort of priorities shifting, Like, what
were sort of the things that you really wanted to
focus on and maybe step back from. Yeah, the things
I wanted to focus on was my physical and mental
health because I was pretty hanging on both throughout. Yeah, absolutely,
in many ways, Um, and like I wasn't allowing giving
(04:29):
myself space to show up for myself. So I wasn't
you know, feeling the best. I wasn't performing the best.
I wasn't able to, you know, come into a podcast
and feel like I was being authentic and really present,
I suppose, Um, So it looked like saying no to
a lot of things. Note a lot of tours, noted,
a lot of festivals. My agents over here and in
Europe and in Asia thought I was mad, but it
(04:51):
felt terrifying but really good and looking back on it, Um, yeah,
I'm so glad that I listened to is what I
really wanted even though you know, part of me wanted
to just keep pushing through and be a bad bitch
and just make it happen, and the other part of
me knew that I wouldn't be able to keep going
and that's okay, and there's a time and a place
(05:13):
for it too, you know. I definitely also really believe
in that that thing you have to have a little
bit of that. I'll sleep when I'm dead, you know,
I'm going to work myself to the bone, like I think,
I don't know how how old do you may? I ask? Okay, baby,
ninety two, Baby, I'm a ninety one baby. I love
this first twinning on so many level. I really love
this for us. I feel like at this part, like
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in my life, I don't want to speak for you,
my early twenties was about the like club bus another club,
Yes exactly, I totally. I think that there is an
amount of that that you have to have to get
to where you want to be, and you should follow
it until until absolutely you get to the point where
you're like, all right, I think I did that. What
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in this day and age and in this part of
your life is your favorite way to sort of take
care of yourself and self care for me, like a
bathtub is where I live, That's where I love to be.
What's your vibe, what's your perfect night off? I have
a dog. He's awesome. He's saying it's Lenny. Yeah, I'm
already obsessed with bloody and so I think like one
of the best things for me to do is, you know,
he needs two walks a day. He's a big, energetic
(06:17):
doggo and just getting out in nature and being able
to spend time with him and move my body as
well is so important. Like switch your phone off, you know,
just not even bring it um and just chill out.
I think it's really important in it like the day
and age where we're constantly connected to our laptops and
our phones and everything's buzzing and pinning the whole time.
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It's so nice to be able to switch off and
spend quality time with him and be in nature. I
think it's really healing. So for me, I do that,
you know twice a day at home, and you know,
when you're in places like this, you really miss that
connection a little over stimulated, Yeah, if you will, it's
a big difference when you're because I know sometimes I
have a lot of friends who work in music, and
it's actually really hard to um of music after a
(07:00):
certain point and feel that connection. Do you still are
you kind of like I do music full time, so
then when you need a break, you have to not
listen to music absolutely okay, because I like to I'm
I'm like music helps me wind down. Also, it doesn't
know I'm all about the rain, apps, nature app or
it's just silent lot of white noise out too. But yeah,
to be honest, when I'm on stage, I love music
(07:22):
more than anything, and I know it just gives me
these feels of I can't even describe. I'm definitely meant
to be there and I love it so much. But
in my personal life, I definitely think now that I
spend so much time listening to music in the studio,
creating sets, piecing things together. Like this morning, I just
spent a couple of hours starting to piece together my
(07:43):
stet for tomorrow night. I'm not in my hotel room
bopping to music because I've already listened to it so much.
So I try and find a nice balance and you know,
don't pressure myself too much to be like got to
listen to it all the time. Well, when you do
when you are trying to get hyped, do you have
a song that's like it's top of your list of
like I'm getting myself jacked up for something? People, Oh, Brazil, Morocco,
(08:07):
London can do a lever amazing love that Okay, amazing yep.
So they're like my commercial time and party go to. Yeah,
I'm obsessed with this Okay. So have you seen that
this trend on social that I actually really love that
I've been seeing where someone will be like I feel
like I'm not making that enough money doing my art,
and then it's a picture of themselves as a child,
(08:28):
and it's like we make money doing art. Question mark,
have you seen this? I love base throwback. It's quite
a few trends like that where it's like, you know,
talking about what they're doing today and then it's like, oh,
that girl would be so proud of me. That's just
hearing it. Um. What would be your advice to your
young self about kind of staying through to your vision.
(08:50):
It sounds like you've you've done so much growing and
sort of adjusting to the lifestyle that you're crazy. DJ
lifestyle is like intense. So what would you talk to,
you know, fifteen year old you. Well, when I was fifteen,
I definitely wanted to be a DJ. I was at
house parties and you know when you'd have like a
DJ at a house party, and I'd always be there,
like annoying, the masking questions like can I have a go?
(09:12):
And they'd be like get away, so annoying. So I
actually went to university to do dentistry lowell, I know,
and then did that for a year and just realized
that I actually hated science. I've never done science before.
Why would I like science? I was, you know, doing
music and art for my whole of high school. So
(09:33):
I changed my degree and then started to pursue not
a career hobby indejaying I would like to say. So,
what I would say to my fifteen year old self was,
don't doubt yourself, don't listen. Don't go to school for dentistry. Yeah,
don't listen to those teachers. But I think it's it's
so special that you, at such a young age had
that instinct and you you know, did the work that
(09:54):
you had to do and followed the path that you
had to follow to allow yourself to them in the end,
be like this is really where I want to be. Yeah,
and so I starting, thanks, You've provided me with some
nice inside there. Yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah, guess what
I'm here for? Sister. Okay, you're a huge animal rights activist,
which we love. So you have your dogo obviously, how
important is it to you to have, shall I say,
(10:15):
like a cause? So like my mom said to me
when I was twenty one and I was signing my
record deal, and she like, I signed my this big,
exciting major label record deal and basically the week after
she was like, cool, So what's your thing? What's your cause?
What are you going to use? Like, now that you
have a platform, now that you have an opportunity, you
have to use it for a good instead of evil.
How did you actively be like I have to do something,
(10:37):
you know, to heal the world? Was did it just
happen organically? Like told me about this part of your life.
It definitely happened organically, And I didn't really realize how
important it was until I found it and then realized that,
you know, you do have to have a passion for
something other than yourself, and like early it's not cute
to be selfish? Yeah, who knew? So when I was
(10:57):
like three or four, I remember so clearly this one
Christmas Eve we were sitting down for Christmas dinner, and
I don't know why, but there was like some a
version I didn't want to eat the meat, and my
parents like, you've got to eat your dinner. It's Christmas.
And I was like mm hmmm, So I just like
pretended to eat it, and then like spatter on the floor.
I got in so much trouble. And I remember mom's
(11:18):
I was like, I just want to be a vegetarian,
because being a vegan wasn't a thing back then. And
she was like, when you're older and you want to
cook for yourself, you can do that. And I was like, fackle,
you have three kids, you also works like literally make
a meal for yourself then, babe, absolutely I would have
been living on cereal. I actually kind of came back
around to it and I thought, you know what, I'm
(11:38):
gonna maybe try and cut out all this stuff from
my diet. And then I realized that I wanted to
do that such a long time ago. And then as
soon as I made some changes personally in my life,
I felt a massive shift physically, energetically, and then started
to think there's got to be more to this, like
what what is this? And then I started to look
into the animal rights perspective and what actually happens, and
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I was horrified, obviously, because we're so sheltered. Like you
asked the average person, how many animals do you think
it killed a year, they'd be like, oh, I don't
know a million, No, it's seven billion, Like it's insane. Well,
the environmental aspect of it alone, you know, one of
the biggest contributors to green hyar on the planet. It's
methane from cow factory farming, so totally, and everywhere I
(12:22):
looked there was like no negative. I was like, you're
saving animals, you're saving people, you're saving the environment, you're
saving your body. I was like, this is amazing. And
so then I started speaking out about it and it
was met with some resistance on my DJ Tiger Lily
kind of page. And people are pretty especially Australians, they
don't like to be told what to do or what
(12:42):
to think. You know, it can be something for you
that you want to speak about because it's changed your life,
and not everybody has to get on board totally, and
so I realized I needed to create a safe space
for myself where people who wanted to listen could listen
um and so I created like another account on Instagram.
It's called ourshul Purpose and talk lots about it's there.
That's your vegan, that's your vegan profile. Ye. Absolutely, And
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I do some really cool collapse with like vegan and
sustainable brands and we donate all the money to animal
sanctuaries and things like that in Australia. So changing the
world but a little step at a time. It's amazing.
Well on Unfiltered the JBR podcast. After a quick break
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and now back to the show. Okay, I want to
talk more about your music, because that's what we're here. Fore,
you got into music young, You were younger, way younger.
Oh my gosh, how old were you for? Four years old?
Is when you started being like music is my thing? Yeah?
Did they make you play an instrument? They put me
(13:50):
into piano school, but it was music school, so it
was like percussion, singing, composition, writing, all that kind of stuff,
and yeah, I loved it and just did it. And
then in high school I picked up guitar, and trombone.
Oh my god, you're a bonus. I love myself a bonu.
I can't even tell you. I love my the trombone section.
I went to all performing out of high school and
always all the boys in the trombone section. I was like,
(14:11):
these are my dudes. Yeah. Honestly, when I first went
to like the first day of my school opening, the
band played lasses trombone, which is you know where the
trombones are featured, and I go to, Mom, I'm playing
that instrument they were at the show today. That's going
to be me. That's me. I love this field. I
didn't play that song again that then you just in
the backrooms of the time you're like, I've made the
rock playing the bass line. Um, but I loved it,
(14:32):
and I did like extension music from my HC, which
for every one listening is like the most music you
can do um possible in Australia, and always wanted to
pursue a career in music, but once again was told
that I should probably go into So what are you
really going to do? Well, yeah, what's your real job
going to be? What was the moment for you? Then, Like,
obviously music has been this huge through line through your
(14:53):
entire life, do you remember a moment where you were like,
holy sh it, I'm really doing it. Yeah, what's your moment.
So there was this club that I used to go
to called Soho and Zink King's Cross in Sydney and
I used to party that a lot and loved it.
And then maybe three months later I did this DJ
competition called Your Shot, which in Australia like teachers young
kids how to play. You've got like a six week
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intensive training program and then you kind of have a
DJ off like perform against one another. And I came
second in that and my prize for that was a
residency at Soho. So like the circle I know, so
like I have this memory of this wow moment playing
my first set at SOHO, shooting bricks. By the way,
I was so nervous and thinking just months ago, weeks ago,
(15:38):
even I was in the crowd and now I'm up
here and just having this moment of I used to
look up and think, that's all I want to do,
and I know you're doing it. I was doing it,
probably pretty terribly, but I was doing it and it's amazing,
and I like give thanks to my younger self a
lot for having the confidence to go out there and
get that because maybe now I don't know, I don't
know if I would be So isn't that determined when
(16:01):
I was? When I was a young person, I remember
having so much unearned confidence, and I've had actually like
a retroactive realizing what insecurity feels like, being like, is
this the thing I haven't been feeling I've had in
my entire life? Just like no thoughts, just vibing my
way through my twenties and now I hit thirty and
I'm like, wait, she was really bald. I love that
(16:22):
for her. I used to walk into clubs pre being
able to mix and would say, Hi, I'm a DJ.
Can I play here? Can I speak to the manager?
Would get business cards, would have all these emails at
emailed them being like Hi, can I play? And they're like, yes,
send me through a mixtape, And of course I didn't
have a mixtape. I've never did in my life. I
think I just wanted to see if I could like
get a gig, and I obviously could, so like, Wow,
(16:44):
that's cos that's so amazing you really did that. I'm
proud of you. Thank you. Yes, something that I think
about all the time, is I am putting this music out,
I am showcasing this part of myself. I have to
think about what how I'm expressing myself, what it says
about me. What do you, Tiger Lily, want your music
to express about you? What do you want people to
feel when they experience it. I've always just wanted my
(17:07):
music to be fun and I'm enjoyable, Yeah, totally. I
feel like there's lots of amazing you know, writers who
write ballads about you know, love and breakups and you know,
the world ending and things. And I've just always wanted
my music to be fun because you know, in the clubs,
you know, that's what I'm there to do. I'm there
to entertain people and there to read the crowd um.
(17:28):
And so I've always kind of wanted my music to
be about that. So I feel like you're at this
place in your life where you are like taking care
of Yourselphomore, this feels like you're in a really good place.
What would you say to people who are sort of
trying to find themselves, find their authentic path and expression
and it's a lot of trial and error, Like what
would you say to them? I think just really looking,
(17:50):
like taking the time to be quiet and by yourself
and looking inside and really thinking about the person who
you are, but then also the person you want to be.
So I think about the person that I may be
having an interaction with and what type of experience you
want to have from spending time with me. And I
think that that's really important because if I want you
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to get the vibe that I'm kind and authentic and
you know, energetic, let's say, then if I'm thinking about that,
then I'm really going to focus on being the best
version of myself. So I think thinking about how you
want other people to experience your energy is really important
as well. Especially as an artist too. I feel like
that's a huge part of what you do. When you
get on stage or you know, you get behind the
(18:33):
booth in front of all of these people, You're like, okay,
I have to create the vibe. Absolutely You're you're setting
a tone, and not everybody can do that. Not everybody
has that kind of control. Do you have this thing?
I have a little bit of a thing where I am,
especially I feel like as a woman, this is ingrained
in us. I feel very like I'm going to do
the nice thing and just say because I want to
make everybody feel comfortable and safe. That's like a huge
(18:54):
part of I think my brand is to be like,
you're safe with me, everything's cool here. And I've started
to now again babies. That's the point in my life
where I'm like, oh, wouldn't be super sick if not
everybody thought I was the nicest person a percent of
the time. Maybe it's fine, Maybe it's okay for me
to be like, I know that I know that I'm
a nice person. Yeah, I know that I take care
(19:16):
of my friends and that I'm generous and kind and funny,
and I know all of these things about myself, and
eight second interaction with a stranger at an inconvenient time
doesn't have to be the thing that I like, hang
my hat on and live or die by You're good.
I still get pretty guilty about that. Like if I've
done like a hundred photos of people and then like
I'm running out and I really need to do away
(19:38):
or something, and someone's like, oh, can I have another photo?
I'm like, yeah, I tell you, I still I still
I try to say, you know, I'll always try to
be nice to everybody, But I think it's but I
get what you mean. Yeah, you need to where I'm like,
I'm trying to be efficient. I'm trying to save time.
I'm a business person now, like we're trying to build
global empires, sister, and we're out here being like, I
don't have time to waste what stuff? Signing you? I'm
(20:00):
a Libra, what are you? I'm an air? I'm Air
And so we create we create some heat together. I
can't wait. Yeah, I need to take a lesson from
you by probably doing that a little bit more because
I reckon. I'm probably still, you know, a bit hung
up on that. Yeah, it's I understand it's really hard,
but I think I'm there's something that's really cool. I
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think I value my toughness, and I think, especially for you,
I can imagine being in this business that is so
male dominated, that is so chauvinistic, and especially in Australia,
where I have experienced more sexism in Australia than I
have in America. That's my personal you know, I think
it's cultural. You know, um, and I don't want to,
(20:41):
you know, generalize, but you know what I mean, Yeah,
I definitely agree with you. I think there you have
to be a little bit of a tough bitch, right.
I'm sure that you've your skin is thicker than it
was ten years ago, and you've had to arrive at
this place to be like, No, I'm I've had to
claw my way to where I am, Like, I'm not
giving this up for anything. I know who who I am.
So it's funny that I value my toughness, but then
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also am like trying to be the sweet little flower
that everybody can be. You know. It's like so nice. Yes,
it's all about balance my labor energy. But I think
it's cool. I think it's good to like to value
that part of yourself and to be like, no, I'm
a tough fish. That's sick vibes, and this is what
I want and this is what I'm gonna do. Cool vibe. Um.
Speaking of that, Yes, the sort of patriarchy, if you will, Yes,
(21:25):
I want to know you know, we're keeping it light
and fun and authentic. Hashtag authentic, hashtag GBL, hashtag fun um.
But I I want to sort of gauge a little
bit of your experience of I think with social media, musicians, actors,
and other public figures, especially those who are women, are
constantly given an opinion about the way we look about
(21:46):
the way That's a huge factor, I'm sure, especially also
in night life that you've probably had to experience or
deal with. Can you share about your experience that puts
you in this like kind of spooky like I must
be hot air all limelight, like I mean if I
may be so bank you girl sitting next to me,
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But like do you feel kind of pressure or sort
of putt in a box about it? Do you feel
like it's something that people really remark on all the time,
Like does it make you annoyed? Are you like, yes,
I'm hot, like loving this for me? Where are you
at a bit of all the bit of all of that? Absolutely, Um,
there's definitely pressure to look good. Like you look at
all the female DJs in the world and they are
all smoke shows, they are all super hot, and I'm like,
(22:29):
that's not a coincidence, Like what's going on? So then
I definitely think there's pressure to I want to look
good and feel good. But for me, I already have
that pressure on myself and it's not physical. It's mental.
When I'm fit and my skins glowy and I've slept
well and I'm eating good. That's when I feel the best.
You're like, look at me, go totally, that's my friend,
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absolutely absolutely. So I think for me, I don't mind
as much because I know with or without the expectation,
I would do it anyway. That's a hum that's a
huge part of it, maybe, I think so. I think
I am on the opposite spectrum where if nobody was
watching me, I probably wouldn't. I'm so such a personality, queen,
do you know what I mean? And so it's been
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a long journey to arrive at being like this. It
does make me feel better when I take care of myself.
I love she loves to be in the gym and
feel like I'm I'm strong and I'm taking care of
my body and putting that time and effort in. And
so I think you arriving at a place where you're like, yes,
people expect something from me, but I actually do this
for me and not for everybody else. It's probably a
(23:32):
huge factor of what makes it really healthy and really
like useful to you, which makes it easy. Yeah. I
think one thing that does annoy me is that people
always say, oh, you're so pretty or whatever, and then
they say, oh, I saw you perform last night. You're
such a great DJ. That was such a great set.
How much do you love that? Like? Did you think
that I have not had like a twelve year career
and still going strong and like I'm not good? Like
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did you think I was bad? Did you think I
was just pressing play on a pre recorded set? But
when people are shocked when they're like, oh my god, wait,
you're actually really good, the surprise and your voice needs
to go like such a back kind of compliment door
actually saying genuinely that I'm good. So I appreciate that,
but like the surprise, it's like the implication is that
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they had yes, that they had no idea that you
could actually like turn it out. So that's really frustrating.
But I think that that is not just the thing
in the music industry, I reckon that's for women everywhere.
Imagine like a super stunning surgeon walks in and she's like,
let's go to do and the guys would be like, oh,
immediately makes a different judgment about her because she looks
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she looks a certain way, And that's something that's always
frustrated me. If you're confident and beautiful physically, and like,
you know, it doesn't necessarily need to look a certain
way because you know, there's so many different elements of beauty.
People think that your diamond can't do something well well
and being beautiful as energy, right, Like I really totally
That's what I was trying to say, Like I think
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that I think that, or of course genetics or a
blessing of course, but like I find that when I
feel my most beautiful as when I'm shining from the inside,
and then people are like, you look pretty today, and
I'm like, I had the same face when I was
hungover and tired and jet lagged and didn't have a
beautiful energy because I didn't feel like myself. So I
think there's such a a light from inside of us
(25:19):
that you can project and especially it's like sounds like
you've really tapped into and that's the thing that people experience,
they feel your energy when they're with you. How do
you deal with like hashtag caters, hashtag trolls. I mean,
it's like such a does it really actually bother you
or are you at a place where you're like the haters,
I'm good, I couldn't. Okay, that's awesome, but I was
(25:40):
hoping that was you never cared lessive. It's just like
block go away your I tend to laugh because I
think it's I think people drag it like people saying
mean things. Makes me laugh because I maybe I have
enough self love to realize that it's it shouldn't get
past like the outer alma, you know, it's like we
can all off about this together. And I think that's
(26:02):
you sound like you have a good You're like whatever,
get out of here. My favorite thing on Instagram is
when people I follow call out haters. Yes, and they
don't hide their name, they don't hide anything, and they
just ruthlessly going. And I actually I think, you know,
like I would never do it because this is me
being that nice girl, too scared to do that, but
like allowing these people and so they should because these
(26:24):
people have come at them publicly, because Instagram is pretty
public saying these awful things. And so that's my favorite
thing to watch the t on Instagram. Something that I
love that you do, also, UM, is that you have
made it a point I feel like to partner specifically
with inclusive clothing brands UM, which as somebody who necessarily
can't you know, probably could fit into a lot of
(26:45):
different clothing. To actively use your platform and voice to
exclusively work with brands who want to create a safer
space for women in fashion and not just women, like
women and men and everyone like this out that I'm
wearing at the moment. It's from Camilla, which is an
Australian designer amazing and she does stuff that's so inclusive
(27:06):
and is always thinking outside the square. She does often
cop a lot of hate that she's like not doing
it well enough, but she's giving it a go and
I really appreciate that, and I think that that's really
cool totally. I feel like so many things. First of all,
I feel like we're best friends now so much obsessed
with us. Thank you so much for joining me here
at JBL Fest. This is actually my first in person
(27:29):
interview for this is the only one all seasons, so
that's really special. Thanks Australias of amazing. Have loved chatting
to you all. The question has been amazing and she's great.
I appreciate it and we're going to party like it's tonight.
Sounds great. Thank you so much again to Tiger Lily
(27:51):
for joining me at JBL Fest. You are so talented
and bring so much beautiful joy and energy and light
to your fans and now also me and us here
at JBL Fest. It is crazy to say it, but
that is it for our first season. Thank you so
much for joining me on this ride. I had the
most fun, so I hope you did too. Don't forget
to share your thoughts with me on social and leave
a rating and review for the podcast. Wherever you're listening,
(28:12):
you can always find me on Instagram and Twitter at
Betty Who, and on TikTok and YouTube at Betty Who
Music Unfiltered. The jb L Podcast is produced by iHeart
Radio and partnership with j b L. Our show was
hosted by me Betty Who. Our executive producer is Molly Sosha.
Ep of post production is Matt still Love. Editor Sierra Spreen.
This episode was written and produced by Sierra Kaiser. Special
(28:32):
thanks to our friends at jb L Initiative and Donna
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