December 10, 2023 • 52 mins
The one-and-only President Fitzgerald Grant joins Katie & Guillermo on this week’s episode to talk about everything from joining the Scandal cast, to what it was like directing the crazy OPA team. Plus, Tony Goldwyn shares his experiences breaking into the limelight as a sex symbol at 50 years old, being killed by Jason in Friday the 13th, and the “one minute” scene. And no episode would be complete without Katie & Guillermo talking about food – namely how Guillermo couldn’t eat on set as Homeless Huck, and why Katie thinks they should all make jam in Vermont.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Katie, we have to have a Scandal reunion, like what
the hell COVID really screwed it? But like whether it's
George's house or Shanda was saying she is a Vermont plate,
I honestly think we should go to Vermont and ill
like make jam and like.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
A great would that be? We have to I know,
I know, I know, I hope Vermont. That's such a
oh my god, that would be.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Shanda like has said like she's a house there. But
I also think I could email my person and be like,
can a freak in Hotel host Us in Cabo.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Like with the whole cast.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Scandal cast to come, We'll do a photo shoot whatever
you want.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
I'm not going to beat a bathing suit, but I
will be in a cover up.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Yes, hell yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I think what you'll all hear as we continue these
episodes is like it really was such a special group.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Yeah, like we really like we're really like a family,
like and it's stayed that way. Years have passed and
we're still super close and we all love each other
and yeah, and that's rare.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
We are so.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Pumped for today's episode because the biggest fucking deal is
here today.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Totally go the way.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
Did you Ustill love the episodes he would direct us on.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Oh all the time. Yeah, And you know what we
always talk about, like how great it is having a
director that's also an actor because they know how to
talk to us, they know are sort of you know
when we when we're feeling extra vulnerable or like insecure.
He's just so so loving, so so great working with him.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
He's so great that almost sometimes he's too good because
I've had so many have I told you this before.
I've had a couple actor friends, No, actually more than
a couple auditioned for various projects as he's directed in
the last ten years since I've become his friend, and
they always text me the same like I got it, Katie,
so amazing, I got it, And I always want to
be like, you did it.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
That's just Tony, Like.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
He's so so sweet.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, he's so sweet, and he always takes the most
time and care in the room with the actors like that,
you end up spending like forty five minutes in there
and you think, like, holy shit, I got this part.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
And I'm like, no, that's just Tony.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Oh man, all right, we're done with the logistics because
our one, our only, Fitzgerald Grant the third is here.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Woo yay. We're so yeay man.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
We're so happy to have you, Tony. Thank you for
making the time. We love you.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
The scandal Rewatch podcast has just sneakingly become me and
Garmaou's way of like hanging out with all of our friends.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Yeah, I know, man, before we.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Talk about the trail, Tony, can you tell us how
in the hell you got this part?
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Man? It was just luck. It was luck. I swear
it was the weirdest thing I had. I had met
Seandan Betsy because I directed one of the first Gray's anatomies,
and it was like one of the first television shows
I had directed, and so I got to know them,
(03:30):
like what it was before Grays had aired. I think
it was the third, second or third episode of the show.
Maybe the third but it shot second or something like that,
but the second it shot third, but they had made
the pilot, which was unbelievably good. And then so I
think like Betsy had liked my first film or something
and said, would you want to do this, and I
(03:52):
saw the pilot. I was like, oh shit, this is
like super commercial but also really original and amazing.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
Actors I've ever seen on tele period.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Yeah, so I met them and then met Shanda, who
I thought was brilliant and unusual as you guys know,
and just such an in guy. Was like, Oh, this
one's gonna be successful, Like you just knew she knew
what she was doing, And then so I did. I
think I did a couple of episodes of Grades Anatomy
as a director, never acted, and then she asked me
a year or two later to do a private practice
(04:24):
for them, and then we like, didn't you know, I
don't think we saw each other for years, and out
of the blue I got a call saying Shanda is
doing this show with Carrie Washington and once do you
want to play the President? And I had and I
had been dying to work with Carrie because I knew
her a little bit, like through politics stuff. And then
(04:46):
but I every time I would see Kerry Washington in
a movie, I'd be like, who's that amazing actress in
that part? Like who the hell is that? She looks familiar?
And at the end, I go, oh, my God, that's
Kerry Washington. Every time I saw her she was totally different.
So I'd been kind of of looking to work. So
I heard Shonda carry. I literally didn't read the script.
I was like, I this sounds like something I really
want to do, and then I read it and thought,
(05:08):
oh man. But it was cool because Shanda I called
her up or she said, let's talk, and she said, Look,
I don't know how big or small this thing is
going to be, or I mean the role. She said,
you can be in it a little bit if you want.
You give mean in a lot if you want. I
don't really know where it's going. You know. There was
the intimation of romance at the end of the pilot
(05:28):
in the script, but you know, when they kiss in
the Oval office. But I thought, well that could get interesting.
But I wasn't sure because it would inhibit me from
directing films, you know, And I was like, I'm not
sure I want to do it. I was so stupid,
you know.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Is that what you wanted to really like do at
that time? Tony? Did you want to keep directing? Were
you digging that?
Speaker 4 (05:48):
I wanted to keep directed? But can I be totally honest?
I had just directed my film Conviction. Yeah, and it
was one of those things you know in Hollywood, when
you have those moments and anyone's like, this is the
one that's going to be huge, it's like whatever. Anyway,
it wasn't, and we like the movie didn't open and
didn't do business. So I was like, oh, okay, maybe
(06:12):
I should. Yeah, that movie was so hard to get made,
and I thought, oh my god, I don't know if
I like I want to keep directing.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
But that was that too, a particular seven years or
something to get it.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Off eight years to get that movie off there, and
that kept coming to life and falling awarding him in life,
and it was by the time we made it, it was
it was you know, I loved it, but it was
it was exhausting. So then I thought I should be
smart to think about like doing a series, because television's transformed,
and like I should just be not an idiot anyway.
So then literally right after that was when I got
this out of the blue call from h from uh Shanda,
(06:46):
and then we talked and she was so chill about it.
She was like, what if you want to do seven,
you can seventy. So I said, of course, and and
I was sort of thinking about my manager Jason was like,
you're doing this one of those things I don't care
what stop thinking about and you're say you say yes
because this could be a huge hit. It was like, yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Did you have any hang ups about like being a president,
Like had you always wanted to play a president or
were you like, wow, I'm gonna go. Like I mean
the presidents. I think of Pullman, Martin Sheen, I think
of like you know you're in that. You know now
you could if the show was a hit, which it
is or is it like it was like whatever.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Great part.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
I didn't even think about that. I thought it'd be cool,
Like I thought, what an interesting character. Yeah, and I
saw this really potentially interesting relationship with Olivia. I thought,
if that goes somewhere, that could be really interesting. But honestly,
you never know what the hell he's going to be.
And the thing for me was that first day of
rehearsal when I met you guys, Oh it just clicked.
(07:48):
I said, oh shit, do you remember that?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Like, wait, take us through it, because this is another question,
like memories from the pilot, what do you mean like
rehearsal when we were in that stage and it was
like taped off.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
It was one of those rare things I've experienced so
infrequently in my life and in my career. We all
just connected. Man. It was I felt like I was
with my best friends from high school all of a sudden,
like you and then Darby was just cast that day.
I remember showing up and being like, Hi, I just
(08:24):
got this part, you know, and hearing your story Katie
about how you do auditioned and you know, an amazing
story about it. You got it. And you know Jeff,
who I knew it a little bit but had been
admired for so long, and Kate and Kate Burton was
later right. G and I have this long history, but
there was that day of all of us connect. I
(08:44):
don't know, I just remember it being this rehearsal period.
We had like a week of rehearsal at at watch
McAll Prospect Studios, and I don't know, I just I
that was one of those things where I thought, oh man,
it was this incredible chemistry we all had. It was
so fun, don't you Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
It was like it was like theater camp, like it
was just felt like really everybody connected and fell in
love and really trust each other and was so into
the script and the stories and the greater good of
the show. Like it just felt like we were part
of something bigger than ourselves.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Yeah, and it feels like they took such a chance, right,
It felt like it's like a crapshoot, like putting this
cast together. And of course Linda Lowie is brilliant and
she made it happen. But even my audition, I auditioned
once and then I looked her. I think a lot
of us just auditioned once, if even auditioning at all.
But just the fact that it worked, right, that it
worked like that could have gone downhill really quickly. Nobody
(09:42):
could have had chemistry, or we could have you know,
not liked each other, but it just it clicked. It worked.
It was like like you said, it was like magic,
so crazy.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
So you never chemistry read with Carrie or anything, like
how did you know?
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Why?
Speaker 5 (09:55):
Like did you know that the relationship was going to
be fire? Like because I'm convinced the show. Look, the
show was.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Amazing, but like the thing that hooked people and when
I realized the show was a hit was when you
became in your fifties, which I want to ask you
about a full on fucking sex symbol.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
So thank god you listen to your manager.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
But like when I first walked into our you know,
Scanna was a real slow burn. It wasn't like an
overnight success. We really had a short first order, you know.
And I remember walking into some press event in the
middle of second season next to you, Tony and girls
literally screaming at you like you were a beatle or
(10:40):
something was crazy. And you never chemistry read, you never auditioned,
so we never knew that the fitz Olivia thing would
be what it was.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
No, and Shanda, I don't think she knew that she
wanted it to be necessarily the only thing I like,
I said, I had really admired Carrie so much and
wanted to work with her and the thing I felt
with which I frankly thought with all of you guys,
but I really felt it with her and our relationships
primary we just connected as actors like Kerry and I
(11:09):
never had to talk about anything. It was weird, man.
We never like jeff and I connected in a different
way like Jeffy and I. Every day, especially in the
first season, we would spend we kind of latched onto
each other and would talk about lacked or stuff, you know,
like our background. What do you think that you know,
we give each other books about politics and that we
just were doing nerdy actor talk.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Oh my god, you dorks. I'm obsessed with that.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
We had that kind of a relationship with with hilarious.
But Carrie and I like with scenes, we would never
even discuss them. We just had the same perspective on everything.
So we come up and we do it. Yep, pretty much. Wow,
that's just we just had the same orientation towards stuff
and the same kind of way of working or something.
I don't know, So I remember feeling, oh, this is
(11:56):
just easy, this is just works. This this creatively we
vibe so that we I don't think we ever discussed.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, it was almost like, let's not look too close
at this because it's working. Let's not even like try
to examine our teeth the specialness out of it.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Let's just just because it was so trippy for us too,
because we were in our OPA world, so we didn't
you know, our characters didn't encounter you guys that much,
and we would talk so much shit and good stuff
too about the White House. The White House must be
so boring, right, we're so much we have so much
fun here at.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
It was way more boring.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
But then there were the moments when you would come
and direct us, which was so much fun. And I
mean it was like like wrangling cats, I bet right,
like we were just when.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Becoming a kindergarten teacher.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
We would get you would not yell, but like you
were like and you weren't the only one like you
fullly Verica.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
They'd be like, come.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
On, kids, shit, stop it.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
You guys have to stop it.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Stop sitting, never stop talking. So I would just go action.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yeah, I tell you, that's that's the way to do it. Yeah.
And Katie's brilliant at that. She would be talking about
that time in the story and then she go right
into playing Quinn.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I don't think that's brilliant. I think that's just like
I don't have a lot of stakes as an.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Actor, which I can't do, Like literally, if I do that,
I'm gonna be like a mess on the play. I
can't I have the I can't have that a facility.
I know.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
How did all of the memorization scandal pace all of
that come to you.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
Was that easy for you? Being word perfect? Like did
you have?
Speaker 4 (13:33):
That? Wasn't too hard? I enjoyed it because it's very
much like working in the theater, isn't it. I mean, yeah,
here's the other amazing thing about Shonda I felt on
that experience. She was so clear from day one what
was important to her. There was like those are the
ground rules? Great? Like she said, I remember that talk
she gave us. She said, I will, I will take
(13:55):
any input you have to give me. But what did
she say? It didn't end up sticking, but she said,
I needed twenty four hours after the table read give
me your notes. I do not want theming on set,
and what I write is music to me, so I
need you to say the words exactly as I write them.
And then it was the whole thing about speaking fast,
which she kept honest about it. But so I thought
that was like a really interesting technical challenge, and it
(14:15):
was like, you know, so I was down with it.
I really enjoyed that technical challenge. You know, we're so
many other sets that you work on as a film
or television actor, and that's great too. People are ad
libbing all the time and paraphrasing and you know that
that has its place with certain kinds of writing.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
But we've talked about Tony how how we've gone on
to other projects and they have to literally be like,
you have to slow down. Can you slow down at a bit,
because now I'm just like, but like every single time
it makes the scene better, I think, even though in
stuff beyond scanned, I'm like, y'all got to pick up
the pace.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Like it's they're sitting there not remembering their lines. That's
why they're waiting. They're sitting there making like a dramatic choice,
but really because they don't know what there's saying next.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Yeah, I know that's how.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
I feel better.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I love that you and Jeff are over there all
studying politics and shit, oh pa, we're like we're seeing friends.
We're like making dance routines.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Literally, some crew people are like get starting to get
pissed off at us, Like I remember sometimes he'd be like,
because we get into like the giggle like you know
thing too where we couldn't stop laughing.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
So and they're all like, we've been working for fifteen.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Hours, get your shit together. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
I remember directing the first time I directed Josh Moline
because I'm such like acting nerds, and Josh's whole thing
for those who don't know. First of all, Joshua is brilliant,
Like he's just a brilliant human being. So he has
this incredible facility for everything he does. He has total
disdain for craft of acting, you know, pretend he hates
(15:53):
so I think he secretly loves it. But he Josh
would be like he never would look at his lines
until he was in the makeup triiller that morning and
look at it once and he'd have it all down.
And it's just the way his brain worked, and every
actor works differently. But so in that I think that
first episode I directed, whatever one it was, it was
in the heat of the relationship between Josh and and yeah,
(16:15):
between David and Abby, right so, and it was a
very fraught relationship. And I remember giving Josh a note
once about something about his emotional like need for Abby.
I said, Josh, I really think, you know, like to
try it again. That's great, but try it again, and
I really want to feel that, you know, some some
psychological thing about you know, his feelings for Abby. And
(16:37):
he's like, yeah, whatever, but it's completely disrespected me. He's
like I'll just just mean, just do it faster.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Oh he totally blew me off and I and I
was like, okay, well, and of course he was great,
but yeah, Josh is so funny.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
We will be back with more after the break.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
We have to talk about where you came from, which
is like, obviously you have a very long, beautiful, amazing
career in so many mediums, film, TV, tons of theater. Also,
by the way, I love that it scandal our vice
president and president.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
We used to talk about this.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Did you guys talk about this that our vice president
and president were like Hollywood royalty, like just between Tony
Goldwynd of Metro Goldwyn Mayer and then Kate Burton of
Richard Burton. I was like the royals all up in
our show.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
But I wanted to know.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Did it feel crazy to you to like be I
remember looking at some magazine and you were like in
a bathtub, and I was like, oh my god, like
this person like this is crazy, Like had you already
written off like oh, like I was a movie star.
I did ghost like in my thirties, like or.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Was this a shock?
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Scy I was a shock? And I was also glad
I was kind of a bit older because I had
a great sense of humor about it and I could
just really enjoy it. Yeah, when I had my first
success with Ghosts, when I was like twenty nine years
old or whatever, it was amazing and fun. I was
so grateful because I'd already been working for five or
six years and you know, struggling and all that. I
was very grateful, but I was super stressed out by
(18:11):
it because I didn't understand what that like. All of
a sudden, when you have success in our job, you
go from being completely ignored by everybody and then everyone's
kissing your ass and shining light on you and telling
you you're a genius. And it felt fraudulent to me
when I was young, so I didn't quite know how
to handle it, and it was kind of stressful. Whereas
with Scandal, I was fifty and I couldn't believe it.
(18:37):
I was like, it also was a lesson. It was
also a lesson, and you can't plan shit in your life.
You could have goals and you can drive for things,
but it's just to have a give yourself a bit
of a direction to hopefully follow something you are passionate
about or want to do. You can't plan shit, so
I could not have planned for that. All the years
(18:59):
I wasted thinking Okay, it's going to go this way. Yeah,
So that whole time I was just like, just enjoy
this ride. Man. It was so the whole thing of like,
you know, the sex symbol factor of fits was it was.
It was, It was fun, it was amusing.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
And I mean, didn't girls like ask you to sign
their bodies? I feel like women were asking you to
sign their bodies.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
People did some intense ship tell us yeah, oh I go. Well.
The two that come to mind was when I was
directing the pilot for The Divide up in Toronto. We
uh or maybe this series, I can't remember, but but
we were. I was like a break from Scandal and
I would get stopped on the street as we all were,
by people wanting a selfie. And this girl, I told
(19:41):
you the story, this girl takes a selfie and she's
giving a selfie. She tries to make out with me
and I avert my mouth and she licks my neck.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Did I never tell you?
Speaker 4 (19:52):
She locked my neck full on? Like look like like
you like you locked like you look Katie's neck? Yeah,
I mean cheap right, yes, yes, someone.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
We both lick and then she licked me in another episode. Yeah. Yeah,
it was like that.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
I was like whoa. And then she got herself and
she walked away, so I was like okay. And then
the other intense thing is not so long ago. A
few years ago, after Scandal ended, I was doing Network
on Broadway and a woman had been waiting outside the
theater to get my autograph and Brian Cranston comes. I
guess I hadn't gone out. Maybe it was like I
(20:29):
don't know. I was hanging out in the theater and
Brian said, did you see the woman with the tattoo
when you And I was like, he said, Tony, there's
a woman who wants to meet you who has a
tattoo of you on her arm. Oh my god, like what?
And I ended up. I ended up got by me
maybe going out later, and she wasn't there. And then
(20:49):
the next day was a Sunday, I think the matinee
and I came out of here and she was still
there and a guy comes up. He says, hey, could
my sister meet you. You know, she's a big fan
of yours. I said, of course. And because people that
don't go to Broders. You guys both know, like people
who want under wait the wait, come out the theater,
the actress come out.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
And this sweet young woman who must have been twenty
five years old comes up to me and she's like,
you know, I really admire your work and I'm such
a huge scandal fan and I but whatever you're she
was like, and I want to be a filmmaker and
you're whatever. The not for profit work you do just
means so much to me. And so I got that
tattoo of my face on her arm?
Speaker 3 (21:28):
What is it fit? Is it like a fits picture?
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Is it just you and a T shirt?
Speaker 4 (21:32):
It's just you know, it's kind of like me. It
was like my so like a headshot, but it was
I guess, but it was me. It was it was
that's so so I said, oh, and I she asked
me to sign her arm and you did, did you?
I said? Of course? But I'm in I was like, whoa,
that was pretty intense commitment. I mean, God bless her,
but WHOA.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
There's that double standard? Did Shondaland? Which is like, I
want to ask you about that? The double standard a
Shondaland for you all listening, you know early on it's
very known that I think Seanna came up to me
and was like, oh, I wrote you a sexteen. If
you want me to rewrite it for you to be
an a turtleneck, I will. And I said amazing. And
then she was like, but also here it's a double
(22:13):
standard and the guys have to take off their shirts
a lot.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
So did you know that going in?
Speaker 4 (22:18):
No, but it was I was okay with it, you know,
I mean again I was sent to humor about it.
And Shonda again, she was pretty straight up about it,
like she didn't play games. She said, this is important
to me and I obviously if I had said I
refused to do something she or I'm uncomfortable, she would
have respected that. And it was it's not like full
(22:38):
on nudity, it's taking our shirts off. So it was,
you know, like Scott and I had are like every table,
he'd be like, okay, dude, you're up this week go
to the SHP like straight off, which guy was gonna
take his shirt off? It was pretty funny.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
I remember thinking, thank god, I just play Huck, who
you know rarely takes a shirt off. But you guys
had like that pressure of being like, oh my god.
And then the next episode, I have a sex syne
and I got to take my shirt up. I remember
you always eating salads with like tender green seld.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
I was, I was, Honestly, Scott was more intense about that. Scott.
I I Scott were, you know, worried more about it.
I just I don't know. Look, I'm my attitude towards of.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
You're genetically blessed. Let's put that out there.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Thank you Tony Goldwin's ancestors from above for giving Tony
Goldwyn a six pack that cannot be taken down by
a meal less of wine.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Right, so I would have my meal. But but also
it was it stressed me out too much distress about it,
So I I just stayed in like a baseline level
of fitness, which made me feel better and able to
work long hours anyway. So I was like, all right,
this is what this job is. So it was so
I didn't ever get too spartan about it, because I
think Scott would like literally starve himself. Oh yeah, that
(23:58):
would suck me up.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
His genetic ancestors blessed him in some ways too, just
not with the Tony Goldwyn stomach, which like that is
just like how you're built.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
I sort of feel like Scott.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Scott Poley is a pretty good looking fellow.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Oh he's the best. He's absolutely gorgeous. I love you
both to pieces.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
We talked a little bit about like the beginning of
your career when you started. Do you remember what the
first I think I know what it is and I'm
really excited about it. But do you remember what your
first movie was? Your first movie?
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Oh? Yeah, I know why you're excited about it. Yeah. Yeah,
Briday of the Thirteenth, Part six, Yes, Jason lived, my
first movie part Jason Lives. Yes, And I got killed
in the first like five minutes. I think, Yeah, I
think I was the second I was the second person
in the movie murdered by Jason. Fuck.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Yeah. You played Darren Robinson and I.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Can't up Darren, Like that's some bad acting if you
want to.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Tony Guiermo recorded it and texted it to me yesterday,
the clip which I will now word to you and
we will post when this episode comes.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Because me standing there with a gun going come back, Yeah,
and then Jason stabs me in the heart with a pole.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
He impales you with like a fucking huge ass pole
that he just also like stabbed the wheel so that
your car could no longer be drivable.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
And broke the headlights. Exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
You were adorable, but what a dream you were in
a Friday at thirteen movie. Like that's a huge for
horror fans. Man.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
I was. I was so excited to have a job that. Yeah,
like I think and maybe got to pay one thousand
dollars for a week, and I thought it was an unfortune,
you know, I was just so happy to have it.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Let's talk about the trail that is this episode's rewatch,
which is I feel like changed the course of Scandal
actually because it was the first episode that really spent
a lot of time and then flashback and we became
a show that used that as a vehicle alot. It
aired on May tenth in two thousand and well, and
(26:00):
it was written by Jenna Bands right. It was directed
by Tom Verica. And let me take you quick through
the guest stars of the episode. We have Brendan Hines
is giddy and Wallace Bellamy Young's first lady, Melli Grant.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
Holy crap, Bellamy Young was still a.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Fucking It wasn't even like a regular Yeah, your.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Pipe and smoking Matt Lesher as Billy Chambers, Kate Burton
is Vice President Sally Langston, and Josh Molina as assistant
US and Josh Molina wasn't Josh out Good was assistant
US Attorney David Rosen.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
And then we have Dan Bukatinsky as James Novak. Brenda
Song is Alyssa the legal Secretary, John Burke is Paul Moseley,
and Samantha Sloyan as Sassy Stafford. The Sassy Stafford who
ends up in a future episode. She ends up having
the whole storyline thing, yeah that's right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Gee me or you hit this synopsis.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
You hit it last time, you hit it so good
last time. I feel like I feel like I should
hit it this time. But baby, you could do it
also after me, if you okay? So the synopsis is
after Fitz shows up at Olivia's apartment asking her to
listen to the sex tape. The episode flashes back to
show Fits his campaigntro to the White House and the
blossoming relationship between Olivia and Fitz. Meanwhile, Gideon Wallace investigates
(27:14):
Amanda Tanna's past, and David looks into Amanda's death and.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
What at what a great episode that was. That was
definitely one of my favorite all times. And Verica's first episode.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Yeah, it's it's for one of the first times that
that carries wig changed from.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
And this was our first like whole episode where the
big storyline is a whole flashback. It's the whole how
you know Fitz became president, how Fitz and Olivia started
their love relationship, their physical relationship, And it's Tom Verica's
introduction to Shondaland, and he those listening, became our producing
(27:57):
director and now he's the producing director for Bridge and
the upcoming Queen Charlotte, and he's Shondaland Staple and family.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
So he obviously did a great job.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
On the e so good. And of course he ends
up directing like a million episodes of Scandal throughout the season. Yeah,
as did Tony.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yeah, and the big highlights of this episode that I
want to talk to you about is this is like,
this is the episode where you say just one minute,
like you're on the campaign and you're like just you
just pull her out of a room and you're like
standing and all You're just like, we just need one
minute together. And then this is also the episode that
has my favorite, one of my favorite Scandal scenes of
all time when you and Olivia are on the bus
(28:38):
and you Fit says, what kind of coward was I?
Speaker 5 (28:41):
Yeah, that I didn't wait for you?
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Yeah, that's my favorite Scandal scene that I did.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
Tell us, why how did you prepare? Tell us about
that scene?
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Which is so so beautifully written? You know, Yeah, that
is great now that that episode was so Tom Verica,
that's such a brilliant job directing that.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
It's the first time she calls you fits too like
you it is it?
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Yeah? Yeah, wow, and you like just and the one
minute thing and that theme that developed a musical theme
that became Olivia and fits this theme. It was beautiful.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
And it's also the episode where you guys have your
first real like.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
In the hotel room in the hotel, that crazy hotel
sex scene with the micro thing under the bed, the
bug under the bed. Yeah, there's a bug.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
Under the bed.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
And now we've were starting to put all together that
the the sex sounds that everyone's.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Being sort of l it's so funny that I'm remembering that. Yeah,
it was the first sex scene that Carry and I had.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
I mean, you had to really take it was a
ten PM show. It's like she's in a bra, she's
in a white bra. She's like it's like you pick
her up and she's around your body. I mean, it
is fucking on.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
It was pretty hot, like and it was pretty Yeah. Yeah,
for not being fully nude, we might as well. Yeah,
and Carrie and I were so It's so funny because
we were so like, it was the first time that
we had done the sex scene together, and so we
were so like careful with each other, and you know,
six months we're like, yeah, whatever, ship, he gives a ship.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
We've done this a thousand times.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
There's also that memorable line where you say take off
your clothes, which just hit so hard. It was so
sexy because there's like a there's like a moment before
you say that line where you're just staring at her
and then you say take off your clothes.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
Oh, it's so good, it's so good. Were you nervous
that day? Were you like, I mean, I know, you've
done tens of thousands of sexies in your life.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
So in those things, I was sort of nervous because
it was Carris in my I was nervous, not for Carrie,
but for our relationship, like I want. As actors, you know,
you're like trying to be you know what it's like respect. Yeah,
you're just trying to be developed trust with another person. Yeah,
because it's so intimate doing sex scenes with people.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
For those of you listening, Tony Goldwin has a real knack.
And i'd heard this because I don't know if y'all
remember this, but in the season episode one hundred, which
this podcast hopefully will get there, Quinn has a sex
scene with Fits. It's just a quick makeout and then
a nice Quinn drops to her knees for a quick
ass blowjob. But listen, I had heard in the grapevine,
(31:20):
and all you actors listening this is tell me if
this is just a rumor and not true. The rumor
was that Tony Goldwin is such a great sex scene
partner because if there's something that you're insecure about with
your body, he'll like block it with his arm or
cover it up.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
Is this made up? You're looking at me like this
is made up?
Speaker 3 (31:41):
What?
Speaker 4 (31:42):
I don't know? You don't even know where you heard it.
It might have been I should, I shouldainly would.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
But I had heard that, like, oh god, it's so
relieving when you're with someone who's like respectful but also
like like oh you're like maybe Bell me, I'm I am.
This is clearly a memory that I have made up
for you. You're welcome, Tony Goldwyn.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Yes, it's true. You know you gotta be. You got
to be so protective over your partner. I mean, acting
with people, you got to developed trust. Trust is like
the most important thing anyway. But when two people have
their clothes off or or you know, it's just so weird.
So that kind of I remember that with you know,
I think when when Bellamine I had a sex scene.
(32:25):
I may be wrong enough to ask her, but I
think it was her first time ever wow, being basically
naked on camera and doing it and we have this
scene sex scene in the shower together, and she was
it was so challenging, you know, it was so she
felt so vulnerable, I think, you know, so I remember
feeling like I really got to take care of her
because because I have done it a lot, and I've
(32:48):
directed a lot of sex scenes and it's such a
weird thing that we do, but all, you know what,
they're important because in real life sex is such an
important Yeah, life and relation gives and people are so
weird and provedish about it in terms of our culture
and everything that if done right, it's such a it
can be such an it's such an interesting dramatic situation,
(33:09):
you know what I'm saying. So I always find it
really challenging.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yes, And it's also the part that I enjoy the
most about shows like It's Why, like that, The Will
They Won't They?
Speaker 5 (33:19):
They?
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Which you and Carrie mastered over years of like I
think you know, they kept keeping you apart, getting you together,
keeping you apart, sending her down the road with other people,
sending you down the road with other people, and then
bringing you back together. I mean, the sex lives of
Fits and Olivia were a huge heartbeat of our show.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Oh yeah, we'll be right back, guys.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
Do you remember anything about like the trail?
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Yeah? I remember a lot about it.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Okay, we've got Homeless Talk makes his first? Is this
your homeless Talks first?
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Ye? Homeless?
Speaker 5 (33:56):
Can you tell us about it? That's oh right?
Speaker 4 (33:58):
We also read right.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
The hardest thing about playing Homeless Huck was that I
knew I couldn't eat all freaking day because of that
damn beard, Because you can't, you know, all the hair
gets in your mouth. So that was just the biggest
struggle to being like, you know, they'd come around with
trays of these delicious looking sandwiches and I'd be like,
I can't fucking eat that chicken. I'm homeless, hut. That
was the hardest part.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Quinn has her grilled cheese sex scene with Gideon in
this episode, and I remember being very nervous as well
and getting like seven thousand spray te Yes.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
I remember like two, it was your first. That was
your first sex scene, wasn't it you know the show?
Wasn't it your first one in the show?
Speaker 5 (34:38):
Yes, first, I had done the show, But I remember
you being I was.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Really stressed because I probably hadn't done a sex scene
where like people this many people would watch it like
I done tons before and like indies and plays where
no one gave a rats ass.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
But like I felt stressed.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
I got a thousand spray tands a thousand because someone
told me if you can't.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
And he would cover up like butt z. It's some
like all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Who was more nervous than me was Gideon Wallace, who
is now married. Do you know who Gideon Wallace is
now married to Tony Goldwyn. Are you ready to fucking
fall off your chair? He's married to Tatiana Maslani. No way,
they got married during COVID. I'm said, I'm saying this
for your fans because I saw Tony Goldwyn in Network
(35:28):
on Broadway and his character is paired up with Tatiana,
So you've worked with closely and had sex scenes with
her as well.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Network. She and I were she and Brian Cranston and she, Yeah,
she played the Fai Dunway part Network. Brendan is the
sweetest guy. Yeah, is the best. She's awesome. She's such
a great person and brilliant actress.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
But he was really nervous that day, I remember, and
then I felt so embarrassed because we had the sex
scene and Tom Verica was like, Okay, it really seems
like Katie Quinn is like mauling Brendan very easily. And
Tom said something like if this was like a point system,
we kind of wanted to be like one one, you know,
(36:18):
two too. You don't want it to be like Katie's
doing it all and Brennan's just sort.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
Of and I'm like, I'm so sorry. I just like
I'm I'm an aggressor, like like that's just how I
do it.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
I just well, I'm just a controlling person, like I'm
just like, Okay, we're gonna do this, Like let's go.
Like I have a lot of energy. Obviously you all
know that for better or for worse, and I had
sort of overtaken him.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
He was very nervous.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
I remember that.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
But we got it done and then literally the next
episode he dies with a scissor in the next.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
So yes, yeah, this is when this in this episode too,
It's one of the first times that I remember thinking,
oh shit, like this show is going there. Like the
fact that Billy Chambers stabs him in the next and
you know, you see a huge spurt of blood come out.
It was like, oh wow, this is an intense like show.
It's it's really going for it and going there, which
(37:07):
I loved. It's dark.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
This is also the episode where Mellie says we see
the beginnings of her being the political animal that she is,
because she comes in and does a speech saying that
she'd like she basically fakes a miscarriage.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
She says like, oh it's because I lost a baby.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Oh yeah, and we start to be like, whoa, this
woman is like a beast, like she will do anything
for the office.
Speaker 5 (37:35):
Yeah, oh my god, yes, these were my notes. What
kind of coward was I to marry her and not
wait for you?
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Fave line ever she calls him fits they hold hands,
ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
It is on take off your clothes, he says.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Tony Goldwin's body is insane, carries in a little bra
ask grabbing, straddling whoa ten PM show people, Billy.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
May these are my notes when I god, I love it.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
But what's so sweet and how this episode sort of
wraps up is that then they cut to you both
in present day and you do the one minute again,
but we see how broken and far like you're just
holding her on the couch, right, ge was that right?
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Because I bring her the tape to look to listen
to the sex tape that it's her, not a Manda
ten or whatever.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
And this was huge for TV, I thought too, because
it was the first time that you say, let's do
the you know, one minute, but on on screen, on camera,
on television, we actually wait that full minute in silence
of them to just holding each other, hym holding Olivia,
and it was so so powerful.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
Yeah, Shanda said, it's going to be a full minute.
Yeah it was. It was great. It was great in
that in that yeah, right exactly. And remember in season one,
didn't in season when we shoot in a real apartment, yep,
and people could barely move in the hallways and we're
having this tiny part which eventually they built in a
set on a stage which was much easier.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
But yeah, yeah, did you take anything from said Tony?
Did you did you take anything, like a piece of clothing.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Or like so much swag so much I guess ABC,
so many clothes, I mean, yeah, thank you god. It
was like we fudged the rules a little bit about
all the wardrobe that we.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
Word for our body. It's either in the basement to
never be warned.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
It literally had my name all of my suits said
on the inside because Brooks Brothers made made all of
my suit a lot of my suits, and they said
especially tailor made for Fitzgerald President Fitzgerald Grant the third Wow,
I still have a bunch of those suits are really good.
But they have like isn't that a cool thing? So
what were they going to give them to some other
actor to wear? Uh? So clothes. What else do I have?
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Do you take anything from the Oval office, like a
piece from your desk or anything that was on it.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
No, we all talked about that there was nothing. There
was nothing. I really there was like a battleship. That'd
be stupid. So I don't think I did.
Speaker 5 (40:02):
I don't tell Tony what you got.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
We got much swag.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
So when the series ended, I I always admired the
the window panels, the flawed, cracked window panels in O
p A.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Yeah, So I I hit up Mary Howard, who's one
of our producers, and asked her if I could have
one of those windows, one of those panels, and they
freaking sent it to my house. It's it weighs like
a ton, but it's the most beautiful piece and it's
hanging in my in my in my house at the entrance,
and it's just like one one pane with the framing one.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Yeah, it's like poster size, like a movie poster size.
But it's great, gorgeous.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
Yeah, I love that. That's such a cool.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
And then I also an opportunity man because I didn't
do that either.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
I also took us leather jacket I'm wearing it right now.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
Oh that talks? Okay, this is that's pretty awesome.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yeah, do you have any like scandal memories that jump
out at you? Also, you're going to have to come
back on like if we are doing this for one
hundred and whatever episodes, we're going to be bothering you again.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
Oh yeah, anytime, anytime. It's so fun.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
But what was like? I want to know? I want
to know a couple of things.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
How do you feel about our WhatsApp scandal chain that
we text each other constantly?
Speaker 5 (41:29):
Happy birthday, Happy holidays? I miss you the best.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Are there any major memories that stick out in your
mind about maybe the beginning, the first season, the second season?
Speaker 4 (41:45):
So many things? God, yeah, I mean that Thursday rehearsal
already told you about. That was like a magical thing
where you just feel the chemistry between people going to
the end. When we were in DC, our last episode ever,
yea the best For no good reason, Seanda said, we're
shooting this episode in Washington. We just had a party.
(42:06):
And remember when Carrie rented a bus friends all to go,
uh look at all the monuments because her favorite thing
to do one of you know, of course, Carrie intellectual
for one of her favorite things to do in d
C was to go around to all of the different
you know, her favorite monuments, and she took rented for
those didn't know the story, she rented a bus for us,
(42:28):
like a tour bus thing, and we all piled in
at night and drove all around d C and like
we're drinking party. Yeah. I bought George and I bought
a bottle of whistle Pig whiskey, which we which we
both really loved at the hotel bar, which cost me
like four hundred. They're like, oh, it's gonna George, Oh
(42:54):
my god, it's gonna cost them, Like, let's do it.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (42:59):
That So it was so mad. No one recognized us.
We were all together, but it was dark so we
could be with tourist people didn't. It's so fun.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
It was perfect.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
It was raining out a little bit, so there were
really weren't many tourists around, and it was probably really
time the Scandal cast could have ever done something like
that and not be getting crazily mobbed.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Mobbed isn't title of our of our WhatsApp chain? Aren't
we called?
Speaker 4 (43:26):
That's what I call you guys? Yeah? And then Shonda
arranged a private tour of the African American Museum. That incredible,
That was so so so incredible, So.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Lucky, lucky all those new the New York upfront trips
and the White House corresponding trips and shooting in DC,
and just like so many dinners, like we used to
oh we haven't.
Speaker 5 (43:51):
Talked about that actually yet.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
We used to give a gift like every year, I
think we would just take the writers, all the actors
would take the writers.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
Out to dinner.
Speaker 5 (44:00):
Yeah, and classic Jeff Perry's style.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Every actor was sort of get up and like say
a like a rousing speech, as if we were in
like some Irish like Limerick pub.
Speaker 5 (44:10):
Kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Like we'd all get up like I want to say this,
and I want to say that, cheers.
Speaker 4 (44:14):
And yeah, it was quite a unique. I'd forgotten about
that because, you know, for people that aren't in our business,
writers are sort of notoriously underappreciated. Yeah, and particularly staff writers,
because in television, you have your showrunner who becomes the
big you know, hefe and is generally gets all the
accolades and on a successful show, and Shanda certainly deserves those,
(44:35):
but the writers, you know, work their asses off, sometimes
feeling not seen, and so I forget how it evolved.
But they were just so grateful that we would have
this party every year with them.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Yeah, you know, it was such magic, such magic. Oh wait,
can you tell us really quickly because we didn't have.
Speaker 5 (44:56):
You on for this episode you really know how to chop?
Would like that?
Speaker 3 (44:59):
Right? That's right when you chopped.
Speaker 4 (45:01):
I actually I actually do know how to chomp.
Speaker 5 (45:04):
Really, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Didn't Sean to email you like, is there any sports
or something you can do?
Speaker 4 (45:12):
Oh? Yeah, she was cruel to me. She said something
like can you play What does she say? Can you
play basketball? Or something? I know? She said what sports
can you do? I said, Shanda, I can chop wood.
I was kidding so that you wrote in a wood
chopping scene. And then she would say, well, what what
sports do you play? I said, look, pretty much anything
except basketball. I cannot play basketball. And then uh, this
(45:34):
is another like somewhere in the middle of our of
our whole thing, I said, I can't play, but I
do not play basketball. So all the slow behold Lynn Powelo,
are brilliant costume designer texts me, one thing do you
we need to schedule a fitting for you to come
in and try on your basketball club. Like what, Oh no,
(45:56):
She's like, what didn't Sean to tell you you have
a basketball scene in the next episode? But you Scott
fully playing basketball.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
It was like an amazing played high school basketball. And
so I was like, what is happening. So then I
called Mary Howard and she said, oh, yes, of course,
we never knew anything about what was happening in the
next episode. It was we always found out at the
last minute. So I made them get me a basketball coach,
you know, for like ten days of cramming, and I
(46:24):
had blisters on my Oh my god. We could I
could play one on one with Scott, you know, we
had a full basketball team. It was ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
Killed it.
Speaker 5 (46:34):
Oh wait.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
And also some fun facts, Steven Finch does not appear
at all in this episode past the present.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
I c yeah, he's not at all.
Speaker 4 (46:43):
So that was Ian's well.
Speaker 5 (46:47):
Oh yeah, but what's crazy?
Speaker 4 (46:49):
Oh, because he came into Olivia's life later yes.
Speaker 5 (46:53):
Yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
And then Gideon was up all night working on the
phone right outside the bathroom, oh, right outside the bedroom,
and Quinn leaves to get coffee as Gideon calls Billy,
which means Billy needed to drive to Gideon's house, have
the conversation and stab him all before Quinn got coffee nearby. Yeah,
well no, we always stretch shit like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
we always would stretch.
Speaker 4 (47:15):
Just like that.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
All right, y'all, let's get into our favorite do.
Speaker 5 (47:21):
Do doo doo doo dooo doo tweet.
Speaker 4 (47:24):
The I said some time, y'all, we.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Like to wrap up our episodes with. We read some
tweets that were put out that night.
Speaker 5 (47:35):
Oh my god, we must have just found out. This
is crazy.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
But at Kasha zero two one zero and May eleventh,
twenty twelve wrote, I'm so happy, happy about Scale ABC
being renewed for a second season.
Speaker 5 (47:47):
Doing a happy dance right now?
Speaker 3 (47:48):
Woo who yeah? We must we know right, no, yea season? Yeah.
Rebecca Theater of A shown at film fatalos A retweeted
a Dawn Novett one time for the hotel scene. I
haven't seen a love scene so hot with a black
lead on primetime TV. Overdue, well done, hashtag scandal. Yeah
(48:12):
this was huge.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
That was so funny. How the world has changed? Right? Yeah,
I mean now you wouldn't think twice about it, and
it was only no, totally, it was it ten years ago,
ten years ago exactly.
Speaker 5 (48:25):
I'm willing to bet.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
I know we were the first black female lead of
a network drama in thirty seven years when we aired.
But I'm curious if there had ever been sex scenes
between a black woman and a white man on network
drama primetime, Like I.
Speaker 4 (48:42):
Don't know, I know, and I wonder certain I would,
and if it was like a regular relationship as opposed
to sure the thing I called one episode or something. Yeah,
isn't that insane?
Speaker 2 (48:54):
And now I thank god, I feel like that's why
Scandal is. I mean, it was so spe for so
many reasons, but it really was the beginning. Bring yeah,
ground bringing, and thank god you and Carrie we're so
hot together because it was missing. Okay, screaming at Scandal
right now, throws my wonderful pistachios at the screen at
(49:15):
the end of this damn episode from Rebecca Theodor vas
shone and then oh this is interesting at Rimsey says,
oh mg, Kerry Washington has a small hand compared to
mister fits hashtag scandal.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
Don't go there.
Speaker 5 (49:32):
I don't know what that means.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
This other tweet, Queen of Sandy says, reporter dude from
Scandal was a fool. You can't invite someone into your
home alone and tell them you have career ending dirt
on them. That's so true.
Speaker 5 (49:44):
That's a very very points in your neck's.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
And then we have our first hashtag from at xyzz
in other news. This episode of hashtag Scandal is my
favorite so far. Hashtag one minute.
Speaker 4 (49:56):
Yeah, oh man, this is so fun, so fun.
Speaker 5 (50:01):
Guys, Tony, you are the best. We love you and
this was such a blast.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
And thank you for being our Fitzgerald Grant the third,
forever and ever and ever.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
Yeah, thank you guys, Katie, How freaking amazing was it
having Tony like I couldn't believe it. We I think
we went over like a lot because we couldn't stop
talking to him.
Speaker 4 (50:23):
So great.
Speaker 5 (50:23):
The dude is the greatest. He's just the most loving.
Speaker 3 (50:27):
Yeah, talent did like smart. Yeah, and Friday the thirteen
Part six. He's in Friday the third his.
Speaker 5 (50:33):
First job, his first movie.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
And isn't it so inspiring that he was someone who
had to really hustle for it, especially in the beginning.
And yeah, and then even still when he thought he
was and is this big fancy Hollywood director took eight
years to put together the movie of Conviction, and then
it ends up not doing what everyone promised him it
would do, even though it's still an amazing movie, And
(50:58):
then his entire career took a complete right turn back
to being an actor.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
Yeah with Scandal. Yeah, oh man, thank you, Thank you
everyone for listening. I hope you guys enjoyed this episode
as much as we enjoyed talking about it.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
Next week, if Tony Goldwin blew your mind, which she
did mine and he's the best, We've got a show
in store for you people. Next episode one oh seven
is titled Grant for the People, and we've got a
very special guest, maybe one of the most special guests.
Speaker 3 (51:30):
Yeah, and it's the last episode of the of the
season of season one of Scandal.
Speaker 5 (51:34):
So tell your friends come listen.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
Thank you guys for joining us on Unpacking the Toolbox.
If you enjoyed the show, please subscribe, share with your friends, rate,
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Speaker 2 (51:47):
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Vince De Johnny, with music by Chad Fisher.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Katie, we have to have a Scandal reunion, like what
the hell COVID really screwed it? But like whether it's
George's house or Shanda was saying she is a Vermont plate,
I honestly think we should go to Vermont and ill
like make jam and like.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
A great would that be? We have to I know,
I know, I know, I hope Vermont. That's such a
oh my god, that would be.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Shanda like has said like she's a house there. But
I also think I could email my person and be like,
can a freak in Hotel host Us in Cabo.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Like with the whole cast.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Scandal cast to come, We'll do a photo shoot whatever
you want.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
I'm not going to beat a bathing suit, but I
will be in a cover up.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Yes, hell yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I think what you'll all hear as we continue these
episodes is like it really was such a special group.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Yeah, like we really like we're really like a family,
like and it's stayed that way. Years have passed and
we're still super close and we all love each other
and yeah, and that's rare.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
We are so.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Pumped for today's episode because the biggest fucking deal is
here today.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Totally go the way.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
Did you Ustill love the episodes he would direct us on.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Oh all the time. Yeah, And you know what we
always talk about, like how great it is having a
director that's also an actor because they know how to
talk to us, they know are sort of you know
when we when we're feeling extra vulnerable or like insecure.
He's just so so loving, so so great working with him.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
He's so great that almost sometimes he's too good because
I've had so many have I told you this before.
I've had a couple actor friends, No, actually more than
a couple auditioned for various projects as he's directed in
the last ten years since I've become his friend, and
they always text me the same like I got it, Katie,
so amazing, I got it, And I always want to
be like, you did it.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
That's just Tony, Like.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
He's so so sweet.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, he's so sweet, and he always takes the most
time and care in the room with the actors like that,
you end up spending like forty five minutes in there
and you think, like, holy shit, I got this part.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
And I'm like, no, that's just Tony.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Oh man, all right, we're done with the logistics because
our one, our only, Fitzgerald Grant the third is here.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Woo yay. We're so yeay man.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
We're so happy to have you, Tony. Thank you for
making the time. We love you.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
The scandal Rewatch podcast has just sneakingly become me and
Garmaou's way of like hanging out with all of our friends.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Yeah, I know, man, before we.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Talk about the trail, Tony, can you tell us how
in the hell you got this part?
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Man? It was just luck. It was luck. I swear
it was the weirdest thing I had. I had met
Seandan Betsy because I directed one of the first Gray's anatomies,
and it was like one of the first television shows
I had directed, and so I got to know them,
(03:30):
like what it was before Grays had aired. I think
it was the third, second or third episode of the show.
Maybe the third but it shot second or something like that,
but the second it shot third, but they had made
the pilot, which was unbelievably good. And then so I
think like Betsy had liked my first film or something
and said, would you want to do this, and I
(03:52):
saw the pilot. I was like, oh shit, this is
like super commercial but also really original and amazing.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
Actors I've ever seen on tele period.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Yeah, so I met them and then met Shanda, who
I thought was brilliant and unusual as you guys know,
and just such an in guy. Was like, Oh, this
one's gonna be successful, Like you just knew she knew
what she was doing, And then so I did. I
think I did a couple of episodes of Grades Anatomy
as a director, never acted, and then she asked me
a year or two later to do a private practice
(04:24):
for them, and then we like, didn't you know, I
don't think we saw each other for years, and out
of the blue I got a call saying Shanda is
doing this show with Carrie Washington and once do you
want to play the President? And I had and I
had been dying to work with Carrie because I knew
her a little bit, like through politics stuff. And then
(04:46):
but I every time I would see Kerry Washington in
a movie, I'd be like, who's that amazing actress in
that part? Like who the hell is that? She looks familiar?
And at the end, I go, oh, my God, that's
Kerry Washington. Every time I saw her she was totally different.
So I'd been kind of of looking to work. So
I heard Shonda carry. I literally didn't read the script.
I was like, I this sounds like something I really
want to do, and then I read it and thought,
(05:08):
oh man. But it was cool because Shanda I called
her up or she said, let's talk, and she said, Look,
I don't know how big or small this thing is
going to be, or I mean the role. She said,
you can be in it a little bit if you want.
You give mean in a lot if you want. I
don't really know where it's going. You know. There was
the intimation of romance at the end of the pilot
(05:28):
in the script, but you know, when they kiss in
the Oval office. But I thought, well that could get interesting.
But I wasn't sure because it would inhibit me from
directing films, you know, And I was like, I'm not
sure I want to do it. I was so stupid,
you know.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Is that what you wanted to really like do at
that time? Tony? Did you want to keep directing? Were
you digging that?
Speaker 4 (05:48):
I wanted to keep directed? But can I be totally honest?
I had just directed my film Conviction. Yeah, and it
was one of those things you know in Hollywood, when
you have those moments and anyone's like, this is the
one that's going to be huge, it's like whatever. Anyway,
it wasn't, and we like the movie didn't open and
didn't do business. So I was like, oh, okay, maybe
(06:12):
I should. Yeah, that movie was so hard to get made,
and I thought, oh my god, I don't know if
I like I want to keep directing.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
But that was that too, a particular seven years or
something to get it.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Off eight years to get that movie off there, and
that kept coming to life and falling awarding him in life,
and it was by the time we made it, it was
it was you know, I loved it, but it was
it was exhausting. So then I thought I should be
smart to think about like doing a series, because television's transformed,
and like I should just be not an idiot anyway.
So then literally right after that was when I got
this out of the blue call from h from uh Shanda,
(06:46):
and then we talked and she was so chill about it.
She was like, what if you want to do seven,
you can seventy. So I said, of course, and and
I was sort of thinking about my manager Jason was like,
you're doing this one of those things I don't care
what stop thinking about and you're say you say yes
because this could be a huge hit. It was like, yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Did you have any hang ups about like being a president,
Like had you always wanted to play a president or
were you like, wow, I'm gonna go. Like I mean
the presidents. I think of Pullman, Martin Sheen, I think
of like you know you're in that. You know now
you could if the show was a hit, which it
is or is it like it was like whatever.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Great part.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
I didn't even think about that. I thought it'd be cool,
Like I thought, what an interesting character. Yeah, and I
saw this really potentially interesting relationship with Olivia. I thought,
if that goes somewhere, that could be really interesting. But honestly,
you never know what the hell he's going to be.
And the thing for me was that first day of
rehearsal when I met you guys, Oh it just clicked.
(07:48):
I said, oh shit, do you remember that?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Like, wait, take us through it, because this is another question,
like memories from the pilot, what do you mean like
rehearsal when we were in that stage and it was
like taped off.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
It was one of those rare things I've experienced so
infrequently in my life and in my career. We all
just connected. Man. It was I felt like I was
with my best friends from high school all of a sudden,
like you and then Darby was just cast that day.
I remember showing up and being like, Hi, I just
(08:24):
got this part, you know, and hearing your story Katie
about how you do auditioned and you know, an amazing
story about it. You got it. And you know Jeff,
who I knew it a little bit but had been
admired for so long, and Kate and Kate Burton was
later right. G and I have this long history, but
there was that day of all of us connect. I
(08:44):
don't know, I just remember it being this rehearsal period.
We had like a week of rehearsal at at watch
McAll Prospect Studios, and I don't know, I just I
that was one of those things where I thought, oh man,
it was this incredible chemistry we all had. It was
so fun, don't you Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
It was like it was like theater camp, like it
was just felt like really everybody connected and fell in
love and really trust each other and was so into
the script and the stories and the greater good of
the show. Like it just felt like we were part
of something bigger than ourselves.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Yeah, and it feels like they took such a chance, right,
It felt like it's like a crapshoot, like putting this
cast together. And of course Linda Lowie is brilliant and
she made it happen. But even my audition, I auditioned
once and then I looked her. I think a lot
of us just auditioned once, if even auditioning at all.
But just the fact that it worked, right, that it
worked like that could have gone downhill really quickly. Nobody
(09:42):
could have had chemistry, or we could have you know,
not liked each other, but it just it clicked. It worked.
It was like like you said, it was like magic,
so crazy.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
So you never chemistry read with Carrie or anything, like
how did you know?
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Why?
Speaker 5 (09:55):
Like did you know that the relationship was going to
be fire? Like because I'm convinced the show. Look, the
show was.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Amazing, but like the thing that hooked people and when
I realized the show was a hit was when you
became in your fifties, which I want to ask you
about a full on fucking sex symbol.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
So thank god you listen to your manager.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
But like when I first walked into our you know,
Scanna was a real slow burn. It wasn't like an
overnight success. We really had a short first order, you know.
And I remember walking into some press event in the
middle of second season next to you, Tony and girls
literally screaming at you like you were a beatle or
(10:40):
something was crazy. And you never chemistry read, you never auditioned,
so we never knew that the fitz Olivia thing would
be what it was.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
No, and Shanda, I don't think she knew that she
wanted it to be necessarily the only thing I like,
I said, I had really admired Carrie so much and
wanted to work with her and the thing I felt
with which I frankly thought with all of you guys,
but I really felt it with her and our relationships
primary we just connected as actors like Kerry and I
(11:09):
never had to talk about anything. It was weird, man.
We never like jeff and I connected in a different
way like Jeffy and I. Every day, especially in the
first season, we would spend we kind of latched onto
each other and would talk about lacked or stuff, you know,
like our background. What do you think that you know,
we give each other books about politics and that we
just were doing nerdy actor talk.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Oh my god, you dorks. I'm obsessed with that.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
We had that kind of a relationship with with hilarious.
But Carrie and I like with scenes, we would never
even discuss them. We just had the same perspective on everything.
So we come up and we do it. Yep, pretty much. Wow,
that's just we just had the same orientation towards stuff
and the same kind of way of working or something.
I don't know, So I remember feeling, oh, this is
(11:56):
just easy, this is just works. This this creatively we
vibe so that we I don't think we ever discussed.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, it was almost like, let's not look too close
at this because it's working. Let's not even like try
to examine our teeth the specialness out of it.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Let's just just because it was so trippy for us too,
because we were in our OPA world, so we didn't
you know, our characters didn't encounter you guys that much,
and we would talk so much shit and good stuff
too about the White House. The White House must be
so boring, right, we're so much we have so much
fun here at.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
It was way more boring.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
But then there were the moments when you would come
and direct us, which was so much fun. And I
mean it was like like wrangling cats, I bet right,
like we were just when.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Becoming a kindergarten teacher.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
We would get you would not yell, but like you
were like and you weren't the only one like you
fullly Verica.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
They'd be like, come.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
On, kids, shit, stop it.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
You guys have to stop it.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Stop sitting, never stop talking. So I would just go action.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yeah, I tell you, that's that's the way to do it. Yeah.
And Katie's brilliant at that. She would be talking about
that time in the story and then she go right
into playing Quinn.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I don't think that's brilliant. I think that's just like
I don't have a lot of stakes as an.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Actor, which I can't do, Like literally, if I do that,
I'm gonna be like a mess on the play. I
can't I have the I can't have that a facility.
I know.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
How did all of the memorization scandal pace all of
that come to you.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
Was that easy for you? Being word perfect? Like did
you have?
Speaker 4 (13:33):
That? Wasn't too hard? I enjoyed it because it's very
much like working in the theater, isn't it. I mean, yeah,
here's the other amazing thing about Shonda I felt on
that experience. She was so clear from day one what
was important to her. There was like those are the
ground rules? Great? Like she said, I remember that talk
she gave us. She said, I will, I will take
(13:55):
any input you have to give me. But what did
she say? It didn't end up sticking, but she said,
I needed twenty four hours after the table read give
me your notes. I do not want theming on set,
and what I write is music to me, so I
need you to say the words exactly as I write them.
And then it was the whole thing about speaking fast,
which she kept honest about it. But so I thought
that was like a really interesting technical challenge, and it
(14:15):
was like, you know, so I was down with it.
I really enjoyed that technical challenge. You know, we're so
many other sets that you work on as a film
or television actor, and that's great too. People are ad
libbing all the time and paraphrasing and you know that
that has its place with certain kinds of writing.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
But we've talked about Tony how how we've gone on
to other projects and they have to literally be like,
you have to slow down. Can you slow down at a bit,
because now I'm just like, but like every single time
it makes the scene better, I think, even though in
stuff beyond scanned, I'm like, y'all got to pick up
the pace.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Like it's they're sitting there not remembering their lines. That's
why they're waiting. They're sitting there making like a dramatic choice,
but really because they don't know what there's saying next.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Yeah, I know that's how.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
I feel better.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I love that you and Jeff are over there all
studying politics and shit, oh pa, we're like we're seeing friends.
We're like making dance routines.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Literally, some crew people are like get starting to get
pissed off at us, Like I remember sometimes he'd be like,
because we get into like the giggle like you know
thing too where we couldn't stop laughing.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
So and they're all like, we've been working for fifteen.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Hours, get your shit together. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
I remember directing the first time I directed Josh Moline
because I'm such like acting nerds, and Josh's whole thing
for those who don't know. First of all, Joshua is brilliant,
Like he's just a brilliant human being. So he has
this incredible facility for everything he does. He has total
disdain for craft of acting, you know, pretend he hates
(15:53):
so I think he secretly loves it. But he Josh
would be like he never would look at his lines
until he was in the makeup triiller that morning and
look at it once and he'd have it all down.
And it's just the way his brain worked, and every
actor works differently. But so in that I think that
first episode I directed, whatever one it was, it was
in the heat of the relationship between Josh and and yeah,
(16:15):
between David and Abby, right so, and it was a
very fraught relationship. And I remember giving Josh a note
once about something about his emotional like need for Abby.
I said, Josh, I really think, you know, like to
try it again. That's great, but try it again, and
I really want to feel that, you know, some some
psychological thing about you know, his feelings for Abby. And
(16:37):
he's like, yeah, whatever, but it's completely disrespected me. He's
like I'll just just mean, just do it faster.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Oh he totally blew me off and I and I
was like, okay, well, and of course he was great,
but yeah, Josh is so funny.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
We will be back with more after the break.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
We have to talk about where you came from, which
is like, obviously you have a very long, beautiful, amazing
career in so many mediums, film, TV, tons of theater. Also,
by the way, I love that it scandal our vice
president and president.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
We used to talk about this.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Did you guys talk about this that our vice president
and president were like Hollywood royalty, like just between Tony
Goldwynd of Metro Goldwyn Mayer and then Kate Burton of
Richard Burton. I was like the royals all up in
our show.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
But I wanted to know.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Did it feel crazy to you to like be I
remember looking at some magazine and you were like in
a bathtub, and I was like, oh my god, like
this person like this is crazy, Like had you already
written off like oh, like I was a movie star.
I did ghost like in my thirties, like or.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Was this a shock?
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Scy I was a shock? And I was also glad
I was kind of a bit older because I had
a great sense of humor about it and I could
just really enjoy it. Yeah, when I had my first
success with Ghosts, when I was like twenty nine years
old or whatever, it was amazing and fun. I was
so grateful because I'd already been working for five or
six years and you know, struggling and all that. I
was very grateful, but I was super stressed out by
(18:11):
it because I didn't understand what that like. All of
a sudden, when you have success in our job, you
go from being completely ignored by everybody and then everyone's
kissing your ass and shining light on you and telling
you you're a genius. And it felt fraudulent to me
when I was young, so I didn't quite know how
to handle it, and it was kind of stressful. Whereas
with Scandal, I was fifty and I couldn't believe it.
(18:37):
I was like, it also was a lesson. It was
also a lesson, and you can't plan shit in your life.
You could have goals and you can drive for things,
but it's just to have a give yourself a bit
of a direction to hopefully follow something you are passionate
about or want to do. You can't plan shit, so
I could not have planned for that. All the years
(18:59):
I wasted thinking Okay, it's going to go this way. Yeah,
So that whole time I was just like, just enjoy
this ride. Man. It was so the whole thing of like,
you know, the sex symbol factor of fits was it was.
It was, It was fun, it was amusing.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
And I mean, didn't girls like ask you to sign
their bodies? I feel like women were asking you to
sign their bodies.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
People did some intense ship tell us yeah, oh I go. Well.
The two that come to mind was when I was
directing the pilot for The Divide up in Toronto. We
uh or maybe this series, I can't remember, but but
we were. I was like a break from Scandal and
I would get stopped on the street as we all were,
by people wanting a selfie. And this girl, I told
(19:41):
you the story, this girl takes a selfie and she's
giving a selfie. She tries to make out with me
and I avert my mouth and she licks my neck.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Did I never tell you?
Speaker 4 (19:52):
She locked my neck full on? Like look like like
you like you locked like you look Katie's neck? Yeah,
I mean cheap right, yes, yes, someone.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
We both lick and then she licked me in another episode. Yeah. Yeah,
it was like that.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
I was like whoa. And then she got herself and
she walked away, so I was like okay. And then
the other intense thing is not so long ago. A
few years ago, after Scandal ended, I was doing Network
on Broadway and a woman had been waiting outside the
theater to get my autograph and Brian Cranston comes. I
guess I hadn't gone out. Maybe it was like I
(20:29):
don't know. I was hanging out in the theater and
Brian said, did you see the woman with the tattoo
when you And I was like, he said, Tony, there's
a woman who wants to meet you who has a
tattoo of you on her arm. Oh my god, like what?
And I ended up. I ended up got by me
maybe going out later, and she wasn't there. And then
(20:49):
the next day was a Sunday, I think the matinee
and I came out of here and she was still
there and a guy comes up. He says, hey, could
my sister meet you. You know, she's a big fan
of yours. I said, of course. And because people that
don't go to Broders. You guys both know, like people
who want under wait the wait, come out the theater,
the actress come out.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
And this sweet young woman who must have been twenty
five years old comes up to me and she's like,
you know, I really admire your work and I'm such
a huge scandal fan and I but whatever you're she
was like, and I want to be a filmmaker and
you're whatever. The not for profit work you do just
means so much to me. And so I got that
tattoo of my face on her arm?
Speaker 3 (21:28):
What is it fit? Is it like a fits picture?
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Is it just you and a T shirt?
Speaker 4 (21:32):
It's just you know, it's kind of like me. It
was like my so like a headshot, but it was
I guess, but it was me. It was it was
that's so so I said, oh, and I she asked
me to sign her arm and you did, did you?
I said? Of course? But I'm in I was like, whoa,
that was pretty intense commitment. I mean, God bless her,
but WHOA.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
There's that double standard? Did Shondaland? Which is like, I
want to ask you about that? The double standard a
Shondaland for you all listening, you know early on it's
very known that I think Seanna came up to me
and was like, oh, I wrote you a sexteen. If
you want me to rewrite it for you to be
an a turtleneck, I will. And I said amazing. And
then she was like, but also here it's a double
(22:13):
standard and the guys have to take off their shirts
a lot.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
So did you know that going in?
Speaker 4 (22:18):
No, but it was I was okay with it, you know,
I mean again I was sent to humor about it.
And Shonda again, she was pretty straight up about it,
like she didn't play games. She said, this is important
to me and I obviously if I had said I
refused to do something she or I'm uncomfortable, she would
have respected that. And it was it's not like full
(22:38):
on nudity, it's taking our shirts off. So it was,
you know, like Scott and I had are like every table,
he'd be like, okay, dude, you're up this week go
to the SHP like straight off, which guy was gonna
take his shirt off? It was pretty funny.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
I remember thinking, thank god, I just play Huck, who
you know rarely takes a shirt off. But you guys
had like that pressure of being like, oh my god.
And then the next episode, I have a sex syne
and I got to take my shirt up. I remember
you always eating salads with like tender green seld.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
I was, I was, Honestly, Scott was more intense about that. Scott.
I I Scott were, you know, worried more about it.
I just I don't know. Look, I'm my attitude towards of.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
You're genetically blessed. Let's put that out there.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Thank you Tony Goldwin's ancestors from above for giving Tony
Goldwyn a six pack that cannot be taken down by
a meal less of wine.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Right, so I would have my meal. But but also
it was it stressed me out too much distress about it,
So I I just stayed in like a baseline level
of fitness, which made me feel better and able to
work long hours anyway. So I was like, all right,
this is what this job is. So it was so
I didn't ever get too spartan about it, because I
think Scott would like literally starve himself. Oh yeah, that
(23:58):
would suck me up.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
His genetic ancestors blessed him in some ways too, just
not with the Tony Goldwyn stomach, which like that is
just like how you're built.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
I sort of feel like Scott.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Scott Poley is a pretty good looking fellow.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Oh he's the best. He's absolutely gorgeous. I love you
both to pieces.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
We talked a little bit about like the beginning of
your career when you started. Do you remember what the
first I think I know what it is and I'm
really excited about it. But do you remember what your
first movie was? Your first movie?
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Oh? Yeah, I know why you're excited about it. Yeah. Yeah,
Briday of the Thirteenth, Part six, Yes, Jason lived, my
first movie part Jason Lives. Yes, And I got killed
in the first like five minutes. I think, Yeah, I
think I was the second I was the second person
in the movie murdered by Jason. Fuck.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Yeah. You played Darren Robinson and I.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Can't up Darren, Like that's some bad acting if you
want to.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Tony Guiermo recorded it and texted it to me yesterday,
the clip which I will now word to you and
we will post when this episode comes.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Because me standing there with a gun going come back, Yeah,
and then Jason stabs me in the heart with a pole.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
He impales you with like a fucking huge ass pole
that he just also like stabbed the wheel so that
your car could no longer be drivable.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
And broke the headlights. Exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
You were adorable, but what a dream you were in
a Friday at thirteen movie. Like that's a huge for
horror fans. Man.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
I was. I was so excited to have a job that. Yeah,
like I think and maybe got to pay one thousand
dollars for a week, and I thought it was an unfortune,
you know, I was just so happy to have it.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Let's talk about the trail that is this episode's rewatch,
which is I feel like changed the course of Scandal
actually because it was the first episode that really spent
a lot of time and then flashback and we became
a show that used that as a vehicle alot. It
aired on May tenth in two thousand and well, and
(26:00):
it was written by Jenna Bands right. It was directed
by Tom Verica. And let me take you quick through
the guest stars of the episode. We have Brendan Hines
is giddy and Wallace Bellamy Young's first lady, Melli Grant.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
Holy crap, Bellamy Young was still a.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Fucking It wasn't even like a regular Yeah, your.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Pipe and smoking Matt Lesher as Billy Chambers, Kate Burton
is Vice President Sally Langston, and Josh Molina as assistant
US and Josh Molina wasn't Josh out Good was assistant
US Attorney David Rosen.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
And then we have Dan Bukatinsky as James Novak. Brenda
Song is Alyssa the legal Secretary, John Burke is Paul Moseley,
and Samantha Sloyan as Sassy Stafford. The Sassy Stafford who
ends up in a future episode. She ends up having
the whole storyline thing, yeah that's right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Gee me or you hit this synopsis.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
You hit it last time, you hit it so good
last time. I feel like I feel like I should
hit it this time. But baby, you could do it
also after me, if you okay? So the synopsis is
after Fitz shows up at Olivia's apartment asking her to
listen to the sex tape. The episode flashes back to
show Fits his campaigntro to the White House and the
blossoming relationship between Olivia and Fitz. Meanwhile, Gideon Wallace investigates
(27:14):
Amanda Tanna's past, and David looks into Amanda's death and.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
What at what a great episode that was. That was
definitely one of my favorite all times. And Verica's first episode.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Yeah, it's it's for one of the first times that
that carries wig changed from.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
And this was our first like whole episode where the
big storyline is a whole flashback. It's the whole how
you know Fitz became president, how Fitz and Olivia started
their love relationship, their physical relationship, And it's Tom Verica's
introduction to Shondaland, and he those listening, became our producing
(27:57):
director and now he's the producing director for Bridge and
the upcoming Queen Charlotte, and he's Shondaland Staple and family.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
So he obviously did a great job.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
On the e so good. And of course he ends
up directing like a million episodes of Scandal throughout the season. Yeah,
as did Tony.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yeah, and the big highlights of this episode that I
want to talk to you about is this is like,
this is the episode where you say just one minute,
like you're on the campaign and you're like just you
just pull her out of a room and you're like
standing and all You're just like, we just need one
minute together. And then this is also the episode that
has my favorite, one of my favorite Scandal scenes of
all time when you and Olivia are on the bus
(28:38):
and you Fit says, what kind of coward was I?
Speaker 5 (28:41):
Yeah, that I didn't wait for you?
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Yeah, that's my favorite Scandal scene that I did.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
Tell us, why how did you prepare? Tell us about
that scene?
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Which is so so beautifully written? You know, Yeah, that
is great now that that episode was so Tom Verica,
that's such a brilliant job directing that.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
It's the first time she calls you fits too like
you it is it?
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Yeah? Yeah, wow, and you like just and the one
minute thing and that theme that developed a musical theme
that became Olivia and fits this theme. It was beautiful.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
And it's also the episode where you guys have your
first real like.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
In the hotel room in the hotel, that crazy hotel
sex scene with the micro thing under the bed, the
bug under the bed. Yeah, there's a bug.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
Under the bed.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
And now we've were starting to put all together that
the the sex sounds that everyone's.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Being sort of l it's so funny that I'm remembering that. Yeah,
it was the first sex scene that Carry and I had.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
I mean, you had to really take it was a
ten PM show. It's like she's in a bra, she's
in a white bra. She's like it's like you pick
her up and she's around your body. I mean, it
is fucking on.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
It was pretty hot, like and it was pretty Yeah. Yeah,
for not being fully nude, we might as well. Yeah,
and Carrie and I were so It's so funny because
we were so like, it was the first time that
we had done the sex scene together, and so we
were so like careful with each other, and you know,
six months we're like, yeah, whatever, ship, he gives a ship.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
We've done this a thousand times.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
There's also that memorable line where you say take off
your clothes, which just hit so hard. It was so
sexy because there's like a there's like a moment before
you say that line where you're just staring at her
and then you say take off your clothes.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
Oh, it's so good, it's so good. Were you nervous
that day? Were you like, I mean, I know, you've
done tens of thousands of sexies in your life.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
So in those things, I was sort of nervous because
it was Carris in my I was nervous, not for Carrie,
but for our relationship, like I want. As actors, you know,
you're like trying to be you know what it's like respect. Yeah,
you're just trying to be developed trust with another person. Yeah,
because it's so intimate doing sex scenes with people.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
For those of you listening, Tony Goldwin has a real knack.
And i'd heard this because I don't know if y'all
remember this, but in the season episode one hundred, which
this podcast hopefully will get there, Quinn has a sex
scene with Fits. It's just a quick makeout and then
a nice Quinn drops to her knees for a quick
ass blowjob. But listen, I had heard in the grapevine,
(31:20):
and all you actors listening this is tell me if
this is just a rumor and not true. The rumor
was that Tony Goldwin is such a great sex scene
partner because if there's something that you're insecure about with
your body, he'll like block it with his arm or
cover it up.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
Is this made up? You're looking at me like this
is made up?
Speaker 3 (31:41):
What?
Speaker 4 (31:42):
I don't know? You don't even know where you heard it.
It might have been I should, I shouldainly would.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
But I had heard that, like, oh god, it's so
relieving when you're with someone who's like respectful but also
like like oh you're like maybe Bell me, I'm I am.
This is clearly a memory that I have made up
for you. You're welcome, Tony Goldwyn.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Yes, it's true. You know you gotta be. You got
to be so protective over your partner. I mean, acting
with people, you got to developed trust. Trust is like
the most important thing anyway. But when two people have
their clothes off or or you know, it's just so weird.
So that kind of I remember that with you know,
I think when when Bellamine I had a sex scene.
(32:25):
I may be wrong enough to ask her, but I
think it was her first time ever wow, being basically
naked on camera and doing it and we have this
scene sex scene in the shower together, and she was
it was so challenging, you know, it was so she
felt so vulnerable, I think, you know, so I remember
feeling like I really got to take care of her
because because I have done it a lot, and I've
(32:48):
directed a lot of sex scenes and it's such a
weird thing that we do, but all, you know what,
they're important because in real life sex is such an
important Yeah, life and relation gives and people are so
weird and provedish about it in terms of our culture
and everything that if done right, it's such a it
can be such an it's such an interesting dramatic situation,
(33:09):
you know what I'm saying. So I always find it
really challenging.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yes, And it's also the part that I enjoy the
most about shows like It's Why, like that, The Will
They Won't They?
Speaker 5 (33:19):
They?
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Which you and Carrie mastered over years of like I
think you know, they kept keeping you apart, getting you together,
keeping you apart, sending her down the road with other people,
sending you down the road with other people, and then
bringing you back together. I mean, the sex lives of
Fits and Olivia were a huge heartbeat of our show.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Oh yeah, we'll be right back, guys.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
Do you remember anything about like the trail?
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Yeah? I remember a lot about it.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Okay, we've got Homeless Talk makes his first? Is this
your homeless Talks first?
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Ye? Homeless?
Speaker 5 (33:56):
Can you tell us about it? That's oh right?
Speaker 4 (33:58):
We also read right.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
The hardest thing about playing Homeless Huck was that I
knew I couldn't eat all freaking day because of that
damn beard, Because you can't, you know, all the hair
gets in your mouth. So that was just the biggest
struggle to being like, you know, they'd come around with
trays of these delicious looking sandwiches and I'd be like,
I can't fucking eat that chicken. I'm homeless, hut. That
was the hardest part.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Quinn has her grilled cheese sex scene with Gideon in
this episode, and I remember being very nervous as well
and getting like seven thousand spray te Yes.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
I remember like two, it was your first. That was
your first sex scene, wasn't it you know the show?
Wasn't it your first one in the show?
Speaker 5 (34:38):
Yes, first, I had done the show, But I remember
you being I was.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Really stressed because I probably hadn't done a sex scene
where like people this many people would watch it like
I done tons before and like indies and plays where
no one gave a rats ass.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
But like I felt stressed.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
I got a thousand spray tands a thousand because someone
told me if you can't.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
And he would cover up like butt z. It's some
like all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Who was more nervous than me was Gideon Wallace, who
is now married. Do you know who Gideon Wallace is
now married to Tony Goldwyn. Are you ready to fucking
fall off your chair? He's married to Tatiana Maslani. No way,
they got married during COVID. I'm said, I'm saying this
for your fans because I saw Tony Goldwyn in Network
(35:28):
on Broadway and his character is paired up with Tatiana,
So you've worked with closely and had sex scenes with
her as well.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Network. She and I were she and Brian Cranston and she, Yeah,
she played the Fai Dunway part Network. Brendan is the
sweetest guy. Yeah, is the best. She's awesome. She's such
a great person and brilliant actress.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
But he was really nervous that day, I remember, and
then I felt so embarrassed because we had the sex
scene and Tom Verica was like, Okay, it really seems
like Katie Quinn is like mauling Brendan very easily. And
Tom said something like if this was like a point system,
we kind of wanted to be like one one, you know,
(36:18):
two too. You don't want it to be like Katie's
doing it all and Brennan's just sort.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
Of and I'm like, I'm so sorry. I just like
I'm I'm an aggressor, like like that's just how I
do it.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
I just well, I'm just a controlling person, like I'm
just like, Okay, we're gonna do this, Like let's go.
Like I have a lot of energy. Obviously you all
know that for better or for worse, and I had
sort of overtaken him.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
He was very nervous.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
I remember that.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
But we got it done and then literally the next
episode he dies with a scissor in the next.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
So yes, yeah, this is when this in this episode too,
It's one of the first times that I remember thinking,
oh shit, like this show is going there. Like the
fact that Billy Chambers stabs him in the next and
you know, you see a huge spurt of blood come out.
It was like, oh wow, this is an intense like show.
It's it's really going for it and going there, which
(37:07):
I loved. It's dark.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
This is also the episode where Mellie says we see
the beginnings of her being the political animal that she is,
because she comes in and does a speech saying that
she'd like she basically fakes a miscarriage.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
She says like, oh it's because I lost a baby.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Oh yeah, and we start to be like, whoa, this
woman is like a beast, like she will do anything
for the office.
Speaker 5 (37:35):
Yeah, oh my god, yes, these were my notes. What
kind of coward was I to marry her and not
wait for you?
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Fave line ever she calls him fits they hold hands,
ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
It is on take off your clothes, he says.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Tony Goldwin's body is insane, carries in a little bra
ask grabbing, straddling whoa ten PM show people, Billy.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
May these are my notes when I god, I love it.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
But what's so sweet and how this episode sort of
wraps up is that then they cut to you both
in present day and you do the one minute again,
but we see how broken and far like you're just
holding her on the couch, right, ge was that right?
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Because I bring her the tape to look to listen
to the sex tape that it's her, not a Manda
ten or whatever.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
And this was huge for TV, I thought too, because
it was the first time that you say, let's do
the you know, one minute, but on on screen, on camera,
on television, we actually wait that full minute in silence
of them to just holding each other, hym holding Olivia,
and it was so so powerful.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
Yeah, Shanda said, it's going to be a full minute.
Yeah it was. It was great. It was great in
that in that yeah, right exactly. And remember in season one,
didn't in season when we shoot in a real apartment, yep,
and people could barely move in the hallways and we're
having this tiny part which eventually they built in a
set on a stage which was much easier.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
But yeah, yeah, did you take anything from said Tony?
Did you did you take anything, like a piece of clothing.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Or like so much swag so much I guess ABC,
so many clothes, I mean, yeah, thank you god. It
was like we fudged the rules a little bit about
all the wardrobe that we.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
Word for our body. It's either in the basement to
never be warned.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
It literally had my name all of my suits said
on the inside because Brooks Brothers made made all of
my suit a lot of my suits, and they said
especially tailor made for Fitzgerald President Fitzgerald Grant the third Wow,
I still have a bunch of those suits are really good.
But they have like isn't that a cool thing? So
what were they going to give them to some other
actor to wear? Uh? So clothes. What else do I have?
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Do you take anything from the Oval office, like a
piece from your desk or anything that was on it.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
No, we all talked about that there was nothing. There
was nothing. I really there was like a battleship. That'd
be stupid. So I don't think I did.
Speaker 5 (40:02):
I don't tell Tony what you got.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
We got much swag.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
So when the series ended, I I always admired the
the window panels, the flawed, cracked window panels in O
p A.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Yeah, So I I hit up Mary Howard, who's one
of our producers, and asked her if I could have
one of those windows, one of those panels, and they
freaking sent it to my house. It's it weighs like
a ton, but it's the most beautiful piece and it's
hanging in my in my in my house at the entrance,
and it's just like one one pane with the framing one.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Yeah, it's like poster size, like a movie poster size.
But it's great, gorgeous.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
Yeah, I love that. That's such a cool.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
And then I also an opportunity man because I didn't
do that either.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
I also took us leather jacket I'm wearing it right now.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
Oh that talks? Okay, this is that's pretty awesome.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yeah, do you have any like scandal memories that jump
out at you? Also, you're going to have to come
back on like if we are doing this for one
hundred and whatever episodes, we're going to be bothering you again.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
Oh yeah, anytime, anytime. It's so fun.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
But what was like? I want to know? I want
to know a couple of things.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
How do you feel about our WhatsApp scandal chain that
we text each other constantly?
Speaker 5 (41:29):
Happy birthday, Happy holidays? I miss you the best.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Are there any major memories that stick out in your
mind about maybe the beginning, the first season, the second season?
Speaker 4 (41:45):
So many things? God, yeah, I mean that Thursday rehearsal
already told you about. That was like a magical thing
where you just feel the chemistry between people going to
the end. When we were in DC, our last episode ever,
yea the best For no good reason, Seanda said, we're
shooting this episode in Washington. We just had a party.
(42:06):
And remember when Carrie rented a bus friends all to go,
uh look at all the monuments because her favorite thing
to do one of you know, of course, Carrie intellectual
for one of her favorite things to do in d
C was to go around to all of the different
you know, her favorite monuments, and she took rented for
those didn't know the story, she rented a bus for us,
(42:28):
like a tour bus thing, and we all piled in
at night and drove all around d C and like
we're drinking party. Yeah. I bought George and I bought
a bottle of whistle Pig whiskey, which we which we
both really loved at the hotel bar, which cost me
like four hundred. They're like, oh, it's gonna George, Oh
(42:54):
my god, it's gonna cost them, Like, let's do it.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (42:59):
That So it was so mad. No one recognized us.
We were all together, but it was dark so we
could be with tourist people didn't. It's so fun.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
It was perfect.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
It was raining out a little bit, so there were
really weren't many tourists around, and it was probably really
time the Scandal cast could have ever done something like
that and not be getting crazily mobbed.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Mobbed isn't title of our of our WhatsApp chain? Aren't
we called?
Speaker 4 (43:26):
That's what I call you guys? Yeah? And then Shonda
arranged a private tour of the African American Museum. That incredible,
That was so so so incredible, So.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Lucky, lucky all those new the New York upfront trips
and the White House corresponding trips and shooting in DC,
and just like so many dinners, like we used to
oh we haven't.
Speaker 5 (43:51):
Talked about that actually yet.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
We used to give a gift like every year, I
think we would just take the writers, all the actors
would take the writers.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
Out to dinner.
Speaker 5 (44:00):
Yeah, and classic Jeff Perry's style.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Every actor was sort of get up and like say
a like a rousing speech, as if we were in
like some Irish like Limerick pub.
Speaker 5 (44:10):
Kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Like we'd all get up like I want to say this,
and I want to say that, cheers.
Speaker 4 (44:14):
And yeah, it was quite a unique. I'd forgotten about
that because, you know, for people that aren't in our business,
writers are sort of notoriously underappreciated. Yeah, and particularly staff writers,
because in television, you have your showrunner who becomes the
big you know, hefe and is generally gets all the
accolades and on a successful show, and Shanda certainly deserves those,
(44:35):
but the writers, you know, work their asses off, sometimes
feeling not seen, and so I forget how it evolved.
But they were just so grateful that we would have
this party every year with them.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Yeah, you know, it was such magic, such magic. Oh wait,
can you tell us really quickly because we didn't have.
Speaker 5 (44:56):
You on for this episode you really know how to chop?
Would like that?
Speaker 3 (44:59):
Right? That's right when you chopped.
Speaker 4 (45:01):
I actually I actually do know how to chomp.
Speaker 5 (45:04):
Really, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Didn't Sean to email you like, is there any sports
or something you can do?
Speaker 4 (45:12):
Oh? Yeah, she was cruel to me. She said something
like can you play What does she say? Can you
play basketball? Or something? I know? She said what sports
can you do? I said, Shanda, I can chop wood.
I was kidding so that you wrote in a wood
chopping scene. And then she would say, well, what what
sports do you play? I said, look, pretty much anything
except basketball. I cannot play basketball. And then uh, this
(45:34):
is another like somewhere in the middle of our of
our whole thing, I said, I can't play, but I
do not play basketball. So all the slow behold Lynn Powelo,
are brilliant costume designer texts me, one thing do you
we need to schedule a fitting for you to come
in and try on your basketball club. Like what, Oh no,
(45:56):
She's like, what didn't Sean to tell you you have
a basketball scene in the next episode? But you Scott
fully playing basketball.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
It was like an amazing played high school basketball. And
so I was like, what is happening. So then I
called Mary Howard and she said, oh, yes, of course,
we never knew anything about what was happening in the
next episode. It was we always found out at the
last minute. So I made them get me a basketball coach,
you know, for like ten days of cramming, and I
(46:24):
had blisters on my Oh my god. We could I
could play one on one with Scott, you know, we
had a full basketball team. It was ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
Killed it.
Speaker 5 (46:34):
Oh wait.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
And also some fun facts, Steven Finch does not appear
at all in this episode past the present.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
I c yeah, he's not at all.
Speaker 4 (46:43):
So that was Ian's well.
Speaker 5 (46:47):
Oh yeah, but what's crazy?
Speaker 4 (46:49):
Oh, because he came into Olivia's life later yes.
Speaker 5 (46:53):
Yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
And then Gideon was up all night working on the
phone right outside the bathroom, oh, right outside the bedroom,
and Quinn leaves to get coffee as Gideon calls Billy,
which means Billy needed to drive to Gideon's house, have
the conversation and stab him all before Quinn got coffee nearby. Yeah,
well no, we always stretch shit like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
we always would stretch.
Speaker 4 (47:15):
Just like that.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
All right, y'all, let's get into our favorite do.
Speaker 5 (47:21):
Do doo doo doo dooo doo tweet.
Speaker 4 (47:24):
The I said some time, y'all, we.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Like to wrap up our episodes with. We read some
tweets that were put out that night.
Speaker 5 (47:35):
Oh my god, we must have just found out. This
is crazy.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
But at Kasha zero two one zero and May eleventh,
twenty twelve wrote, I'm so happy, happy about Scale ABC
being renewed for a second season.
Speaker 5 (47:47):
Doing a happy dance right now?
Speaker 3 (47:48):
Woo who yeah? We must we know right, no, yea season? Yeah.
Rebecca Theater of A shown at film fatalos A retweeted
a Dawn Novett one time for the hotel scene. I
haven't seen a love scene so hot with a black
lead on primetime TV. Overdue, well done, hashtag scandal. Yeah
(48:12):
this was huge.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
That was so funny. How the world has changed? Right? Yeah,
I mean now you wouldn't think twice about it, and
it was only no, totally, it was it ten years ago,
ten years ago exactly.
Speaker 5 (48:25):
I'm willing to bet.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
I know we were the first black female lead of
a network drama in thirty seven years when we aired.
But I'm curious if there had ever been sex scenes
between a black woman and a white man on network
drama primetime, Like I.
Speaker 4 (48:42):
Don't know, I know, and I wonder certain I would,
and if it was like a regular relationship as opposed
to sure the thing I called one episode or something. Yeah,
isn't that insane?
Speaker 2 (48:54):
And now I thank god, I feel like that's why
Scandal is. I mean, it was so spe for so
many reasons, but it really was the beginning. Bring yeah,
ground bringing, and thank god you and Carrie we're so
hot together because it was missing. Okay, screaming at Scandal
right now, throws my wonderful pistachios at the screen at
(49:15):
the end of this damn episode from Rebecca Theodor vas
shone and then oh this is interesting at Rimsey says,
oh mg, Kerry Washington has a small hand compared to
mister fits hashtag scandal.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
Don't go there.
Speaker 5 (49:32):
I don't know what that means.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
This other tweet, Queen of Sandy says, reporter dude from
Scandal was a fool. You can't invite someone into your
home alone and tell them you have career ending dirt
on them. That's so true.
Speaker 5 (49:44):
That's a very very points in your neck's.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
And then we have our first hashtag from at xyzz
in other news. This episode of hashtag Scandal is my
favorite so far. Hashtag one minute.
Speaker 4 (49:56):
Yeah, oh man, this is so fun, so fun.
Speaker 5 (50:01):
Guys, Tony, you are the best. We love you and
this was such a blast.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
And thank you for being our Fitzgerald Grant the third,
forever and ever and ever.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
Yeah, thank you guys, Katie, How freaking amazing was it
having Tony like I couldn't believe it. We I think
we went over like a lot because we couldn't stop
talking to him.
Speaker 4 (50:23):
So great.
Speaker 5 (50:23):
The dude is the greatest. He's just the most loving.
Speaker 3 (50:27):
Yeah, talent did like smart. Yeah, and Friday the thirteen
Part six. He's in Friday the third his.
Speaker 5 (50:33):
First job, his first movie.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
And isn't it so inspiring that he was someone who
had to really hustle for it, especially in the beginning.
And yeah, and then even still when he thought he
was and is this big fancy Hollywood director took eight
years to put together the movie of Conviction, and then
it ends up not doing what everyone promised him it
would do, even though it's still an amazing movie, And
(50:58):
then his entire career took a complete right turn back
to being an actor.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
Yeah with Scandal. Yeah, oh man, thank you, Thank you
everyone for listening. I hope you guys enjoyed this episode
as much as we enjoyed talking about it.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
Next week, if Tony Goldwin blew your mind, which she
did mine and he's the best, We've got a show
in store for you people. Next episode one oh seven
is titled Grant for the People, and we've got a
very special guest, maybe one of the most special guests.
Speaker 3 (51:30):
Yeah, and it's the last episode of the of the
season of season one of Scandal.
Speaker 5 (51:34):
So tell your friends come listen.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
Thank you guys for joining us on Unpacking the Toolbox.
If you enjoyed the show, please subscribe, share with your friends, rate,
or leave us a review.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Scandal is executive produced by Sandy Bailey, alex Alce, Lauren Homan,
Tyler Klang, and Gabrielle Collins. Our producer and editor is
Vince De Johnny, with music by Chad Fisher.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
Scandal is a production of eight Signature and you can
follow along by rewatching Scandal on Hulu.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in
partnership with iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from Shondaland Audio, visit
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