October 29, 2025 • 36 mins
Christa and her attorneys grapple with a recent announcement by the Tennessee Supreme Court.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, Allhi, man, can can you hear me?
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I can? Okay?
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Goo ahead.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Thanks for agreeing to talk to me.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
I'm recording this, okay, Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
This is a phone call between Beth Carris and May Martinez,
Colleen Slammer's mother.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
So what I want to do is talk to you
about the news, the most recent news I have.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
So call Monday last week, send the victims sheriff and
at Nashville.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
And what were you told.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
That they set a date for Christopher September thirtieth, She's
as in the twenty sixth.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
On Tuesday September thirtieth, twenty twenty five, just before the
fourth episode of this podcast aired, Krista Pike received an
execution date. It was set for exactly one year later.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Were you surprised?
Speaker 5 (01:01):
How did you feel?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I very shocked?
Speaker 6 (01:04):
Do you plan to go?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yes, ma'am. Kelleen Helleen s picture of Winga. Well, if
you could speak to her would today?
Speaker 7 (01:13):
Would you say anything?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
She don't deserve that, she doesn't deserve me to say
one word to her.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah, it was She.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Done and couldn't face thing, couldn't even say sorry. Ye.
I pray it happen. I really do, because I think
I can find prici to rest.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
This isn't the first time that Krista has received an
execution date. Her first was set on the day in
March nineteen ninety six when she was sentenced. It was
set for January twelfth, nineteen ninety seven, the two year
anniversary of Colleen Slimmer's murder. That was suspended while Christa
appealed her sentence. Christa received a second execution date at
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her request for August nineteen, two thousand two, though that
was later stayed when Christa resumed her appeals. In twenty twenty,
as Christa was coming to the end of her appeals process,
the state Attorney General asked the Tennessee Supreme Court to
again set a date. Following that, Christa's lawyers filed an
application for a certificate of commutation. Then Tennessee put a
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hold on all executions for COVID. They were then placed
on an indefinite hold in twenty twenty two when Tennessee
issued a broader moratorium on executions. That moratorium was linked
to a series of botched lethal injections where inmates were
observed writhing in pain in their final moments under pressure
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Tennessee announced it would update its lethal injection protocols. That
moratorium ended in December twenty twenty four, when it was
announced that Tennessee was prepared to reset start executions. We
were told that executing Christa would likely be a priority,
but the news was a gut punch for everyone.
Speaker 6 (03:12):
My first reaction, I think.
Speaker 8 (03:14):
Was just shock, like something had taken the breath out
of me, very literally, and I kind of hit my knees.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Christa's lawyers, Randy Spivey and Kelly Gleason, recorded this interview
with Christa using questions we sent shortly after she learned
that Tennessee had given her a date.
Speaker 8 (03:35):
I think I maniacally screened ob tnities for a few.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
Minutes and then.
Speaker 8 (03:43):
Immediately started worrying about how I was gonna tell.
Speaker 9 (03:49):
My mom this.
Speaker 8 (03:51):
All the bad things just hit me at once, and
the only thing I could think, and all the dust
settled in my head, was that a year seems like
a really long time until all of a sudden, a
year is not a long time at all anymore when
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it's all you have left right now. Halloween's coming up,
and that's my favorite holiday, and I'm thinking, well, this
is the last Halloween I ever have, you know, and
so like what do you do to make that count?
And then you know, like it's like a black cloud
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booming over everything.
Speaker 10 (04:35):
Were you?
Speaker 11 (04:35):
Were you afraid?
Speaker 6 (04:38):
I'm I'm more afraid.
Speaker 8 (04:42):
I think of all of the I don't know that
I'm afraid to die, but I'm more afraid of like
all the the build up to it, all the things
that they put you through here before they kill you.
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And that's probably worse for me than actually take in
my life.
Speaker 7 (05:12):
Is there anything you want people to know about you?
Or about your circumstances or about the system that has
held you for the last thirty years?
Speaker 8 (05:24):
I touch an odd question for someone to ask you,
Is there anything that you want people to know about you?
And it's like, how do I give like a summary
judgment of myself to everyone who doesn't know me, to
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explain to them, like what type of person I am
or what I can be or want to be, or
who I am or what I am to like make you.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
Not want to kill me.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
I'm Sarah Trelevin and this is Unrestorable Season two. Proof
of Life, an original podcast from Anonymous content and iHeartRadio.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
Hi everybody, Good morning.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
A little over a week after Christa's execution date was announced,
Beth and I met over zoom with three of Christa's attorneys.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
It's awfully cruel. Not that I want the time to
be shortened, but it's awfully cruel to tell someone a
whole year in advance to start the countdown.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
This is Steve Ferrell, one of Christa's Knoxville based attorneys.
Speaker 10 (06:46):
I heard a few hours later when I checked my
work email that night.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Kelly Gleeson was on vacation and celebrating her birthday when
she got the news.
Speaker 10 (06:55):
Did not anticipate this coming, cried some that night. You know.
Then you wake up the next morning, sort of dust
yourself off and play in the fight, you know, play
in the next steps. I, like Steve, had been trying
to wrap my head around the cruelty of it. They
come to her on September thirtieth, twenty twenty five, and say,
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I'm going to kill you precisely a year from now
at ten am, and I have a blueprint for how
I'm going to do that, depending upon whether I'm going
to strap you to ajourney and inject you with poison
until you're dead, or strap you to an electrified chair
and run high current electricity through you until you are dead.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Randy Spivey was responsible for breaking the news to Christa.
Speaker 7 (07:41):
So we have had a practice over the last couple
of weeks of Christa calling in to listen to the
podcast because she doesn't have access to it.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Another way, Randy is talking about this podcast which Christa
has been listening to over the phone with her lawyers
or members of their staff as each new episode drops.
Speaker 7 (08:01):
And so she called, and she clearly had not heard.
I anticipated that she would have heard because sometimes in
the past there have been officers out at the prison
that have taken some joy and telling Christa news like that.
That was not the case this time. There's no one
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had told her. So she was in great mood, like
she was very chipper. And I told her that, like
I needed to tell her something. And I told her
that the court had had set her a date. And
I mean it was it was devastating, like I don't
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I don't know exactly how to explain it, Like she cried.
She was very, very upset. You could hear people in
the back of the phone call coming to her door
saying Chris stry okay, Chris of What's going on Chris Sterio, Okay,
I had not heard Crystal like that in a long time.
But the thing I can most closely equate it to her,
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there's those audio clips of either when she was sentenced
to death or you know, just when she's really really
young and she's crying like that. That was the same voice,
like it was, it sounded, it was. It was awful,
And we talked for a while. And what was it
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was interesting to me is how quickly she turned to
being worried about other people, Like it happened real fast.
Like one of the first things she says was, I
don't know how I'm going to tell my mom this.
Her mom had some health struggles at the moment, and
like really really difficult health struggles, and so she wasn't
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sure how she was going to tell her mom. She
was she was mad that they ruined Kelly's vacation and birthday, Like,
she was really worried and upset about Kelly and wanted
to talk to her as soon as possible. She was
worried about Steve, and it was awful.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Do you feel that in your engagement with Christa, Like,
are you simultaneously trying to encourage her that you are
continuing this fight, that it's not over, but while also
trying to prepare her that this outcome may in fact happen.
Speaker 10 (10:26):
So my first day back in the office was a
few days ago, and so Krista called for me in
the morning and she wanted to know where my head
was at. And she has a great sense of humor,
and so I approached the situation with humor, you know,
I told her I'm sorry to hear it. She was
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upset about me hearing it, you know, on vacation right
before my birthday. And so I told her that September thirtieth,
twenty twenty six is the day before my sixtieth birthday.
And so We're just going to have to win this,
because I'm not doing that.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
When you're talking to Christa in those terms and you're saying,
you know, we're going to keep working on this, We're
going to beat it, Like, how do you actually feel
Do you feel like it's possible or do you feel
like the deck is stacked against against you and against Christa.
Speaker 10 (11:20):
I feel like the deck is stacked against us. We
have a governor who has never grate a clemency but
I feel like Christa's situation is highly unusual. She would
be the first woman killed by Tennessee in over two
hundred years, which is crazy. She was eighteen at the time.
She did have a severe mental illness that was undiagnosed
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at the time and not explained to the jury who
made the sun the same decision. There have been failures
in the appellate process. I feel like we have a
very very strong clemency case, and I'd like to feel
that the citizens of Tennessee and their elected governor don't
have the stomach to kill someone under these circles stances.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
So what is the status of that petition for clemency?
Speaker 7 (12:07):
Yeah, I mean it's in our office and with Steve
and we are we're drafting it and preparing it and
putting together all the pieces of it. So we have
an execution date now. But I think there are two
parts to this. Like one, governors don't want it too soon,
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but we also don't want it too soon because the
world in the law is in constant flux and there
may be something else that comes to bear on Chris's
situation that's important to include in a petition for clemency
or that could conceivably put us back in court in
some way.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
From the time you filed the clemency petition whenever that is,
does the governor have a deadline or can he grant
or deny it right up until the time of execution.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
The decision can come fairly close to the actual event,
and different states do it a little differently. In Tennessee,
so far, there will be an official decision one way
or the other.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Do you foresee a potential possible delay or resent a
new date being set because of a challenge to the
lethal protocol that's in place now?
Speaker 5 (13:30):
There are some challenges right now that are pending.
Speaker 9 (13:40):
Starting around twenty eleven, we began to see a number
of problems associated with the use of lethal injection. There
were a number of botched executions.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
This is Robin Mayer, a lawyer and the executive director
of the Death Penalty Information Center, a nonprofit organization that
provides data and analysis.
Speaker 9 (14:00):
First, of all, the drugs that were traditionally used in
a three drug protocol for lethal injection. Some of those
drugs became unavailable. They were not being manufactured in the
United States, and a number of pharmaceutical companies objected to
their use in execution, and so states began experimenting. They
began experimenting with different drugs, with different combinations of drugs,
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many of which had never been tested before.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Robin says that what happened next was awful and entirely predictable.
Speaker 9 (14:32):
We saw botched executions. We saw prisoners writhing in pain
and calling out audibly looking to be experiencing extreme distress
and suffering, and that was really awful to witness.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Instead of dealing with the problems related to the underlying protocols,
Robin says that many states simply retreated into secrecy, limiting
the information available to the public, media and even defense counsel.
Speaker 9 (15:00):
Many states drew the curtains shift and said we're not
going to tell you. We're not going to tell you
at all what we're doing or how we're doing it.
And they said that this was partly because they wanted
to be able to find the sources of drugs without
fear that those drug manufacturers would be harassed or intimidated.
But there's really been no proof at all that that's
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ever happened. We saw again continued experimentation with different drugs
and combinations, and now we've seen some states pivoting to
other forms of execution, including older forms of execution such
as the electric chair and the firing squad.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
According to Robin, the United States Supreme Court has granted
states a wide berth declining to interfere in execution methods
and protocols.
Speaker 9 (15:50):
They have decided on a legal standard that is so
unattainably high that it is impossible for anyone to achieve.
So where we used to be was in a conversation
about what is cool and unusual under the Eighth Amendment.
But now we have a standard that again is so
very high and out of reach that those legal claims
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are largely futile. The United States Supreme Court won't look
at those cases and has said very clearly, it's not
our business. And I think that has emboldened some state
officials to take greater risks.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
After a two year moratorium, Tennessee abandoned its problematic three
drug protocol and reverted to a single drug, pentobarbital. A
legal challenge file just months after the moratorium was lifted
in December twenty twenty four argues that the use of
a single drug carries a high risk of tortuous death.
Also like other states, the storage and testing of the
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lethal injection drug in Tennessee is now cloaked in secrecy,
despite the state's promise of complete transparency. In July, Byron Black,
on death row for almost forty years for the murders
of his girlfriend and her two young daughters, was executed
after decades of efforts to have his sentence commuted. At
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sixty eight. Black's lawyers argued that he had an IQ
below seventy, He had dementia, plus a host of other
medical concerns, including a pacemaker. Amidst concerns that Black's pacemaker
would attempt to shock him back to life at the
very moment the state was trying to kill him, a
legal battle kicked off over its removal. Ultimately, the state
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declined to allow a local hospital to remove the pacemaker
prior to execution by lethal injection.
Speaker 9 (17:44):
By every account we've heard that mister Black suffered pain
and suffering during his execution. It also emphasizes the importance
of having media witnesses in the chamber, independent witnesses who
can report on their observations of the the anomalies that
so often occur during these executions. If we simply listen
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to the state officials, we would have a very different narrative.
They often tell us nothing went wrong at all.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Following Black's execution, his lawyer, Kelly Henry, released a statement.
It reads, in part, today, the State of Tennessee killed
a gentle kind, fragile, intellectually disabled man in violation of
the laws of our country, simply because they could. No
one in a position of power, certainly not the courts
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was willing to stop them. And if you think that
what happened is just about one man, you are wrong.
We are witnessing the erosion of the rule of law
and every principle of human decency on which this country
was founded.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Today it is Byron. Tomorrow it will be someone you
care about. The people who made this happen are not
telling the public the truth. They should feel shame, but
they seem incapable. May God have mercy on their souls.
I know that he is mercy for Byron.
Speaker 10 (19:09):
Mister Black's attorney, who did witness the executioner herself, has
announced that they did get the preliminary results from the pacemaker,
and it wasn't the pacemaker that was the problem, which
means that all of the rest of folks who are
set for executions should be worried that the current protocol
does not work. And I would not be surprised if
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it turned out it was pulmonary edema that we know
to be caused by the way that they kill people
here in Tennessee that caused him to have that pain
for much money. He was conscious and in pain very
clearly for much longer than the Attorney General told the
court that he would be.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
In addition to drug makers, medical experts also declined to
participate in executions.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
Medical professionals take the Hippocratic oath to do no harm,
and clearly this would violate that oath.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Okay, I have some questions about sort of what this
date triggers now in terms of process. For Christa, has
she picked a method of execution.
Speaker 10 (20:14):
That part of the process happens thirty days.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Out, and how do you knowing everything you know about
these methods available to her, how do you counsel her
in that matter?
Speaker 5 (20:27):
I would say, with lots of truthful information. It's another
very cruel part of the process. We say, Okay, here
are these different awful things that you can do. Which
awful thing.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Do you choose?
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Krista will largely live as she has been until two
weeks before her scheduled execution. At that point, she will
enter a period known as death watch. That period of
solitary confinement used to last seventy two hours. Under the
new protocols, it has been extended to fourteen days.
Speaker 10 (21:02):
Now. They're removed from their friends fourteen days beforehand, where
there's the guard station literally keeping a log of every
single thing that person does. That person has allowed one
hour out on a wreck page by themselves only, and
then they're just monitored twenty four to seven. And there
are all these things in the protocol about the kind
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of documentation that the guards watching have to keep, and
the security implements like handcuffs, change that kind of thing.
But it's very unclear to me whether Christy would just
remain as isolated as she currently is and they would
just remove the two women who are with her right
now or whatever. Today happens to be.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Any idea why they expanded the death watch period from
seventy two hours to fourteen days.
Speaker 10 (21:53):
They simply say this is the way we're doing it.
Right to do it that way because we're the state.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
It seems so punitive I mean, if there's no real
reason for it, why not let them have some time together,
you know, till the last day or so. I don't understand.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
I mean, the purpose of death watch, for the most
part is to ensure that the person doesn't kill themselves
before you can kill them. And it would seem to
me that this expanded death watch essentially makes it more
likely that a person will want to kill themselves before
you can kill them, while you're trying to keep them
from killing themselves before you can kill them. And like
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the absurdity and strangeness of the whole thing, we'll really
mess with your head.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
Taking this person out of human interactions, sort of labeling
them as a dead person while they're still actually living,
is all part of that that the cruelty of that
process is this is not a real human being, so
we can take him or her out of human society,
what little society we may have allowed them over the past,
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however many years, and we're going to put them very
literally in a cage to be watched like an animal,
and then we'll put them down.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I know, obviously President Trump has made no secret of
his desire to execute aggressively. So where do you see.
Where do you see this moment of time in terms
of the state of Tennessee and the people you represent
on death Row?
Speaker 7 (23:32):
I feel like this is a weird time sitting in Tennessee.
It does feel like the machinery of death, if you will,
is ramping up and we are executing more and more people.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Along with Krista, three other death row inmates had their
dates announced on the same day.
Speaker 7 (23:51):
And what's weird about that to me is like that
at the political top level of things, we're not seeing
more capital convictions and death sentences in the same way.
It seems like the people of Tennessee. And that may
be wrong about this, but it's something that gives me hope.
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The people of Tennessee at a minimum, find it distasteful
and are certainly more judicious about this than I think
they have been in a long time. That does not
appear to be something that courts or politicians are particularly
interested in.
Speaker 10 (24:30):
Before twenty eighteen, there would typically be at least one,
sometimes more deathcedances issued every year. After twenty eighteen, Between
twenty eighteen and this year, there have only been two
descenances issued, and so you do see the trend of
citizens not returning to do. I mean there have been
cases in the last year or two where there were
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triple and quadruple homicides that settled for less than death
and didn't even go to trial. And then when cases
are taken to t wilders are rejecting the death penalty.
But this is a dark time.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Part of the reluctance of prosecutors to ask for a
death sentence is a growing reluctance of jurors to agree.
Concerns about systemic issues and the equitable application of justice,
including the potential to execute someone innocent, have driven support
for the death penalty to five decade lows, especially among
younger Americans.
Speaker 9 (25:31):
Public support for the death penalty right now is barely
over majority, so around fifty three percent of Americans will
generally say they support the death penalty.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
I think those.
Speaker 9 (25:43):
Numbers are a bit misleading, because when you start asking
different questions and more specific questions, you often find that
people have grave reservations about use of the death penalty,
particularly when it's used against young people. For example, we
know now that the brains of young people, people not
just under the age of eighteen, but nineteen twenty twenty one,
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are not fully developed, and so that has implications for
how culpable they are for the crimes they may commit
at those ages. So I think people are getting uncomfortable
with the idea of sentencing to death young people. They're
uncomfortable with the way that mental illness and intellectual disability
and brain damage affects behavior and affects the ability of
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people to conform their behavior to the requirements of the law.
And we're seeing that reluctance translated into the number of
new death sentences around the country. You know, at one
point it's hard to believe, but we had well over
three hundred death sentences in a single year. That was
before the turn of the century. Last year we had
twenty six new death sentences, and we're on track to
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do about the same for this year. But that is
markedly different from where we were just twenty five years ago,
and that I think is a reflection of the concerns
that the public have about use of the death penalty,
the many ways that we get it wrong, and their
doubts about whether they can trust a system that gets
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it wrong so often and yet requires such a tremendous
investment of resources.
Speaker 12 (27:21):
Very few countries, relatively speaking, especially countries that have Western
industrialized democracies have the death penalty. I almost no one
has the death penalty.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
This is Sandra Babcock, a law professor at Cornell University,
an expert in the death penalty.
Speaker 12 (27:36):
I mean, frankly, it's not just Western industrialized democracies. I
mean we're increasingly one of a tiny handful of countries
that continues to execute people. And our brothers and sisters
in that, you know, in that category of countries that
are imposing the death penalty are China, Iran, Iraq, you know, Yemen,
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Saudi Arabia. These are not countries with which we typically
associate ourselves when it comes to respect for human rights.
European countries, the vast majority of Latin American countries, the
great majority of African states do not have the death penalty,
and don't even have life imprisonment without the possibility of parole,
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which is considered to be an inhumane punishment as well.
So our system is really at the very extreme, very
punitive end of responses to violent crime. And there are
many other countries that have systems that are focused much
more on rehabilitation than ours is and who have lower
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rates of violent crime in their societies.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Do you get the sense in talking to Christa right now,
like how is she doing with just the day to
day emotions of life, Like how is she doing getting
up in the morning and going for meals and engaging
with other people and knowing that she's starting this down.
Speaker 10 (29:08):
I know we need to monitor Krista very carefully because
what's unfolding on a daily basis for her right now
in her interactions are people are asking her, what are
you going to pick your last meal? What are your
last words going to be? You have an opportunity here
that so few people get, which is to say something
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very profound before you leave this earth. And what are
you going to say? And Christa's like, that's a lot
of pressure. I don't know what I'm supposed to say.
And so I told her again, we're just going to
have to win, so you don't have to go through
the stress of trying to come up with something.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, Krista, if.
Speaker 11 (29:50):
Steve and Randy and I and the rest of your
team are successful, what you'll be looking at is living
the rest of your life inside prison.
Speaker 10 (29:59):
What the does that look like to you? What would
you do with the.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Time that you have Kelly Gleason recorded this interview with
Krista on Our Behalf before she got her execution date.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
If I have my sentence overturn, that would mean I
would be living on the regular compound, which would mean
I could get a good job. I could get a roommate,
which would be so weird for me, but I would
have a hopefully a permanent roommate, someone stable that I
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could live with and just try to function with. Get
some kind of normal life going in here for myself,
maybe get in classes. I would like to get something
started to help some of the younger women that come
in here that have maybe been through some of the
things that I've been through in my life, to keep
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them from coming back.
Speaker 11 (30:59):
Looking back, when you were a kid, what kind of
help did you need that you didn't get?
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Well?
Speaker 6 (31:11):
I feel like as a child.
Speaker 9 (31:17):
This is hard.
Speaker 6 (31:18):
I think anyone recognizing when I was young doing something
about me being sexually abused. I think people acknowledging me,
paying attention to me, nurturing me, guiding me, maybe realizing
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that I didn't long the same way as other children,
and doing something too, I don't know, just just nurturing
any talent that I had any gift, that I had
any bright spot in me, you know, maybe recognizing that
I had bipolar disorder instead of just labeling at something else.
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And maybe if I were treated for that earlier than
waiting until I was incarcerated. There are so many things
that could have been different from so many years prior
to this happening, that could have sent me down a
different road.
Speaker 10 (32:27):
In this case. What do you think justice for Colleen
looks like.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
I don't know what justice for Colleen looks like.
Speaker 8 (32:41):
There's nothing that I can do.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
There's nothing I can say. There's nothing anyone can do
to bring her back. There's nothing anyone can do to
take May's paint away, or anyone else in her family
or any of her friends, or you know, anyone who
cares for her, anyone who needs to feel vindicated on
(33:09):
her behalf. There's nothing that anyone can do to bring
her back. So I don't know what this for her
looks like. But I can, you know, all I can
do on on my part is try to, you know,
(33:32):
the best person I can be today. I can. I
can try to be hopeful now. I can, you know,
try to talk to people in here now that I
see going down the path that I was going down
when I was young. I can try to be a
good person now, I can try to be a better
(33:53):
person tomorrow than I am today, And you know, I
don't know what that looks like.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
This final episode was recorded on October sixteenth, twenty twenty five.
Christa's team was still working on her clemency petition to
present to Tennessee's Republican Governor, Bill Lee. Krista had yet
to formally choose whether she would like to die by
lethal injection or electric chair. She had started to think
about any final remarks she would like to make.
Speaker 11 (34:26):
Do you think it's possible that you would ever get
to a point in your life where you no longer
deserve to be punished?
Speaker 6 (34:34):
No matter how long I'm alive, I'll always be punished
for this, whether I'm on this row, whether I have
a life stinness, whether I were to walk out the
gate to this prison. Because I know what I did,
I know what I've done to my family, to my
(34:59):
victim who have victims family. I'll live with that for
the rest of my life, and I have an understanding
of the gravity of that.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Now.
Speaker 6 (35:12):
I'll punish myself for that for the rest of my life.
Speaker 11 (35:16):
Okay, I'll just stop recording and unless there's anything more
you want to.
Speaker 6 (35:19):
Say, I don't know. I think that's it.
Speaker 11 (35:25):
Okay, I'm going to stop recording them.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Unrestorable is executive produced and hosted by Me, Sarah Chulevin,
and Beth Carris, mixing and sound design by Reza Daya
for Anonymous content. Jessica Grimshaw is our executive producer, Jennifer
Sears is our executive in charge of production, and Nicole
Pronk is our legal counsel. For iHeart, executive producer Christina
(35:56):
Everett and supervising producer Abu Zaphar
Hello, Allhi, man, can can you hear me?
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I can? Okay?
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Goo ahead.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Thanks for agreeing to talk to me.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
I'm recording this, okay, Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
This is a phone call between Beth Carris and May Martinez,
Colleen Slammer's mother.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
So what I want to do is talk to you
about the news, the most recent news I have.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
So call Monday last week, send the victims sheriff and
at Nashville.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
And what were you told.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
That they set a date for Christopher September thirtieth, She's
as in the twenty sixth.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
On Tuesday September thirtieth, twenty twenty five, just before the
fourth episode of this podcast aired, Krista Pike received an
execution date. It was set for exactly one year later.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Were you surprised?
Speaker 5 (01:01):
How did you feel?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I very shocked?
Speaker 6 (01:04):
Do you plan to go?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yes, ma'am. Kelleen Helleen s picture of Winga. Well, if
you could speak to her would today?
Speaker 7 (01:13):
Would you say anything?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
She don't deserve that, she doesn't deserve me to say
one word to her.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah, it was She.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Done and couldn't face thing, couldn't even say sorry. Ye.
I pray it happen. I really do, because I think
I can find prici to rest.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
This isn't the first time that Krista has received an
execution date. Her first was set on the day in
March nineteen ninety six when she was sentenced. It was
set for January twelfth, nineteen ninety seven, the two year
anniversary of Colleen Slimmer's murder. That was suspended while Christa
appealed her sentence. Christa received a second execution date at
(02:02):
her request for August nineteen, two thousand two, though that
was later stayed when Christa resumed her appeals. In twenty twenty,
as Christa was coming to the end of her appeals process,
the state Attorney General asked the Tennessee Supreme Court to
again set a date. Following that, Christa's lawyers filed an
application for a certificate of commutation. Then Tennessee put a
(02:26):
hold on all executions for COVID. They were then placed
on an indefinite hold in twenty twenty two when Tennessee
issued a broader moratorium on executions. That moratorium was linked
to a series of botched lethal injections where inmates were
observed writhing in pain in their final moments under pressure
(02:48):
Tennessee announced it would update its lethal injection protocols. That
moratorium ended in December twenty twenty four, when it was
announced that Tennessee was prepared to reset start executions. We
were told that executing Christa would likely be a priority,
but the news was a gut punch for everyone.
Speaker 6 (03:12):
My first reaction, I think.
Speaker 8 (03:14):
Was just shock, like something had taken the breath out
of me, very literally, and I kind of hit my knees.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Christa's lawyers, Randy Spivey and Kelly Gleason, recorded this interview
with Christa using questions we sent shortly after she learned
that Tennessee had given her a date.
Speaker 8 (03:35):
I think I maniacally screened ob tnities for a few.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
Minutes and then.
Speaker 8 (03:43):
Immediately started worrying about how I was gonna tell.
Speaker 9 (03:49):
My mom this.
Speaker 8 (03:51):
All the bad things just hit me at once, and
the only thing I could think, and all the dust
settled in my head, was that a year seems like
a really long time until all of a sudden, a
year is not a long time at all anymore when
(04:12):
it's all you have left right now. Halloween's coming up,
and that's my favorite holiday, and I'm thinking, well, this
is the last Halloween I ever have, you know, and
so like what do you do to make that count?
And then you know, like it's like a black cloud
(04:32):
booming over everything.
Speaker 10 (04:35):
Were you?
Speaker 11 (04:35):
Were you afraid?
Speaker 6 (04:38):
I'm I'm more afraid.
Speaker 8 (04:42):
I think of all of the I don't know that
I'm afraid to die, but I'm more afraid of like
all the the build up to it, all the things
that they put you through here before they kill you.
(05:05):
And that's probably worse for me than actually take in
my life.
Speaker 7 (05:12):
Is there anything you want people to know about you?
Or about your circumstances or about the system that has
held you for the last thirty years?
Speaker 8 (05:24):
I touch an odd question for someone to ask you,
Is there anything that you want people to know about you?
And it's like, how do I give like a summary
judgment of myself to everyone who doesn't know me, to
(05:47):
explain to them, like what type of person I am
or what I can be or want to be, or
who I am or what I am to like make you.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
Not want to kill me.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
I'm Sarah Trelevin and this is Unrestorable Season two. Proof
of Life, an original podcast from Anonymous content and iHeartRadio.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
Hi everybody, Good morning.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
A little over a week after Christa's execution date was announced,
Beth and I met over zoom with three of Christa's attorneys.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
It's awfully cruel. Not that I want the time to
be shortened, but it's awfully cruel to tell someone a
whole year in advance to start the countdown.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
This is Steve Ferrell, one of Christa's Knoxville based attorneys.
Speaker 10 (06:46):
I heard a few hours later when I checked my
work email that night.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Kelly Gleeson was on vacation and celebrating her birthday when
she got the news.
Speaker 10 (06:55):
Did not anticipate this coming, cried some that night. You know.
Then you wake up the next morning, sort of dust
yourself off and play in the fight, you know, play
in the next steps. I, like Steve, had been trying
to wrap my head around the cruelty of it. They
come to her on September thirtieth, twenty twenty five, and say,
(07:18):
I'm going to kill you precisely a year from now
at ten am, and I have a blueprint for how
I'm going to do that, depending upon whether I'm going
to strap you to ajourney and inject you with poison
until you're dead, or strap you to an electrified chair
and run high current electricity through you until you are dead.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Randy Spivey was responsible for breaking the news to Christa.
Speaker 7 (07:41):
So we have had a practice over the last couple
of weeks of Christa calling in to listen to the
podcast because she doesn't have access to it.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Another way, Randy is talking about this podcast which Christa
has been listening to over the phone with her lawyers
or members of their staff as each new episode drops.
Speaker 7 (08:01):
And so she called, and she clearly had not heard.
I anticipated that she would have heard because sometimes in
the past there have been officers out at the prison
that have taken some joy and telling Christa news like that.
That was not the case this time. There's no one
(08:22):
had told her. So she was in great mood, like
she was very chipper. And I told her that, like
I needed to tell her something. And I told her
that the court had had set her a date. And
I mean it was it was devastating, like I don't
(08:45):
I don't know exactly how to explain it, Like she cried.
She was very, very upset. You could hear people in
the back of the phone call coming to her door
saying Chris stry okay, Chris of What's going on Chris Sterio, Okay,
I had not heard Crystal like that in a long time.
But the thing I can most closely equate it to her,
(09:09):
there's those audio clips of either when she was sentenced
to death or you know, just when she's really really
young and she's crying like that. That was the same voice,
like it was, it sounded, it was. It was awful,
And we talked for a while. And what was it
(09:31):
was interesting to me is how quickly she turned to
being worried about other people, Like it happened real fast.
Like one of the first things she says was, I
don't know how I'm going to tell my mom this.
Her mom had some health struggles at the moment, and
like really really difficult health struggles, and so she wasn't
(09:52):
sure how she was going to tell her mom. She
was she was mad that they ruined Kelly's vacation and birthday, Like,
she was really worried and upset about Kelly and wanted
to talk to her as soon as possible. She was
worried about Steve, and it was awful.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Do you feel that in your engagement with Christa, Like,
are you simultaneously trying to encourage her that you are
continuing this fight, that it's not over, but while also
trying to prepare her that this outcome may in fact happen.
Speaker 10 (10:26):
So my first day back in the office was a
few days ago, and so Krista called for me in
the morning and she wanted to know where my head
was at. And she has a great sense of humor,
and so I approached the situation with humor, you know,
I told her I'm sorry to hear it. She was
(10:47):
upset about me hearing it, you know, on vacation right
before my birthday. And so I told her that September thirtieth,
twenty twenty six is the day before my sixtieth birthday.
And so We're just going to have to win this,
because I'm not doing that.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
When you're talking to Christa in those terms and you're saying,
you know, we're going to keep working on this, We're
going to beat it, Like, how do you actually feel
Do you feel like it's possible or do you feel
like the deck is stacked against against you and against Christa.
Speaker 10 (11:20):
I feel like the deck is stacked against us. We
have a governor who has never grate a clemency but
I feel like Christa's situation is highly unusual. She would
be the first woman killed by Tennessee in over two
hundred years, which is crazy. She was eighteen at the time.
She did have a severe mental illness that was undiagnosed
(11:41):
at the time and not explained to the jury who
made the sun the same decision. There have been failures
in the appellate process. I feel like we have a
very very strong clemency case, and I'd like to feel
that the citizens of Tennessee and their elected governor don't
have the stomach to kill someone under these circles stances.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
So what is the status of that petition for clemency?
Speaker 7 (12:07):
Yeah, I mean it's in our office and with Steve
and we are we're drafting it and preparing it and
putting together all the pieces of it. So we have
an execution date now. But I think there are two
parts to this. Like one, governors don't want it too soon,
(12:28):
but we also don't want it too soon because the
world in the law is in constant flux and there
may be something else that comes to bear on Chris's
situation that's important to include in a petition for clemency
or that could conceivably put us back in court in
some way.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
From the time you filed the clemency petition whenever that is,
does the governor have a deadline or can he grant
or deny it right up until the time of execution.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
The decision can come fairly close to the actual event,
and different states do it a little differently. In Tennessee,
so far, there will be an official decision one way
or the other.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Do you foresee a potential possible delay or resent a
new date being set because of a challenge to the
lethal protocol that's in place now?
Speaker 5 (13:30):
There are some challenges right now that are pending.
Speaker 9 (13:40):
Starting around twenty eleven, we began to see a number
of problems associated with the use of lethal injection. There
were a number of botched executions.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
This is Robin Mayer, a lawyer and the executive director
of the Death Penalty Information Center, a nonprofit organization that
provides data and analysis.
Speaker 9 (14:00):
First, of all, the drugs that were traditionally used in
a three drug protocol for lethal injection. Some of those
drugs became unavailable. They were not being manufactured in the
United States, and a number of pharmaceutical companies objected to
their use in execution, and so states began experimenting. They
began experimenting with different drugs, with different combinations of drugs,
(14:23):
many of which had never been tested before.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Robin says that what happened next was awful and entirely predictable.
Speaker 9 (14:32):
We saw botched executions. We saw prisoners writhing in pain
and calling out audibly looking to be experiencing extreme distress
and suffering, and that was really awful to witness.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Instead of dealing with the problems related to the underlying protocols,
Robin says that many states simply retreated into secrecy, limiting
the information available to the public, media and even defense counsel.
Speaker 9 (15:00):
Many states drew the curtains shift and said we're not
going to tell you. We're not going to tell you
at all what we're doing or how we're doing it.
And they said that this was partly because they wanted
to be able to find the sources of drugs without
fear that those drug manufacturers would be harassed or intimidated.
But there's really been no proof at all that that's
(15:22):
ever happened. We saw again continued experimentation with different drugs
and combinations, and now we've seen some states pivoting to
other forms of execution, including older forms of execution such
as the electric chair and the firing squad.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
According to Robin, the United States Supreme Court has granted
states a wide berth declining to interfere in execution methods
and protocols.
Speaker 9 (15:50):
They have decided on a legal standard that is so
unattainably high that it is impossible for anyone to achieve.
So where we used to be was in a conversation
about what is cool and unusual under the Eighth Amendment.
But now we have a standard that again is so
very high and out of reach that those legal claims
(16:13):
are largely futile. The United States Supreme Court won't look
at those cases and has said very clearly, it's not
our business. And I think that has emboldened some state
officials to take greater risks.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
After a two year moratorium, Tennessee abandoned its problematic three
drug protocol and reverted to a single drug, pentobarbital. A
legal challenge file just months after the moratorium was lifted
in December twenty twenty four argues that the use of
a single drug carries a high risk of tortuous death.
Also like other states, the storage and testing of the
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lethal injection drug in Tennessee is now cloaked in secrecy,
despite the state's promise of complete transparency. In July, Byron Black,
on death row for almost forty years for the murders
of his girlfriend and her two young daughters, was executed
after decades of efforts to have his sentence commuted. At
(17:14):
sixty eight. Black's lawyers argued that he had an IQ
below seventy, He had dementia, plus a host of other
medical concerns, including a pacemaker. Amidst concerns that Black's pacemaker
would attempt to shock him back to life at the
very moment the state was trying to kill him, a
legal battle kicked off over its removal. Ultimately, the state
(17:36):
declined to allow a local hospital to remove the pacemaker
prior to execution by lethal injection.
Speaker 9 (17:44):
By every account we've heard that mister Black suffered pain
and suffering during his execution. It also emphasizes the importance
of having media witnesses in the chamber, independent witnesses who
can report on their observations of the the anomalies that
so often occur during these executions. If we simply listen
(18:05):
to the state officials, we would have a very different narrative.
They often tell us nothing went wrong at all.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Following Black's execution, his lawyer, Kelly Henry, released a statement.
It reads, in part, today, the State of Tennessee killed
a gentle kind, fragile, intellectually disabled man in violation of
the laws of our country, simply because they could. No
one in a position of power, certainly not the courts
(18:33):
was willing to stop them. And if you think that
what happened is just about one man, you are wrong.
We are witnessing the erosion of the rule of law
and every principle of human decency on which this country
was founded.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Today it is Byron. Tomorrow it will be someone you
care about. The people who made this happen are not
telling the public the truth. They should feel shame, but
they seem incapable. May God have mercy on their souls.
I know that he is mercy for Byron.
Speaker 10 (19:09):
Mister Black's attorney, who did witness the executioner herself, has
announced that they did get the preliminary results from the pacemaker,
and it wasn't the pacemaker that was the problem, which
means that all of the rest of folks who are
set for executions should be worried that the current protocol
does not work. And I would not be surprised if
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it turned out it was pulmonary edema that we know
to be caused by the way that they kill people
here in Tennessee that caused him to have that pain
for much money. He was conscious and in pain very
clearly for much longer than the Attorney General told the
court that he would be.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
In addition to drug makers, medical experts also declined to
participate in executions.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
Medical professionals take the Hippocratic oath to do no harm,
and clearly this would violate that oath.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Okay, I have some questions about sort of what this
date triggers now in terms of process. For Christa, has
she picked a method of execution.
Speaker 10 (20:14):
That part of the process happens thirty days.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Out, and how do you knowing everything you know about
these methods available to her, how do you counsel her
in that matter?
Speaker 5 (20:27):
I would say, with lots of truthful information. It's another
very cruel part of the process. We say, Okay, here
are these different awful things that you can do. Which
awful thing.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Do you choose?
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Krista will largely live as she has been until two
weeks before her scheduled execution. At that point, she will
enter a period known as death watch. That period of
solitary confinement used to last seventy two hours. Under the
new protocols, it has been extended to fourteen days.
Speaker 10 (21:02):
Now. They're removed from their friends fourteen days beforehand, where
there's the guard station literally keeping a log of every
single thing that person does. That person has allowed one
hour out on a wreck page by themselves only, and
then they're just monitored twenty four to seven. And there
are all these things in the protocol about the kind
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of documentation that the guards watching have to keep, and
the security implements like handcuffs, change that kind of thing.
But it's very unclear to me whether Christy would just
remain as isolated as she currently is and they would
just remove the two women who are with her right
now or whatever. Today happens to be.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Any idea why they expanded the death watch period from
seventy two hours to fourteen days.
Speaker 10 (21:53):
They simply say this is the way we're doing it.
Right to do it that way because we're the state.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
It seems so punitive I mean, if there's no real
reason for it, why not let them have some time together,
you know, till the last day or so. I don't understand.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
I mean, the purpose of death watch, for the most
part is to ensure that the person doesn't kill themselves
before you can kill them. And it would seem to
me that this expanded death watch essentially makes it more
likely that a person will want to kill themselves before
you can kill them, while you're trying to keep them
from killing themselves before you can kill them. And like
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the absurdity and strangeness of the whole thing, we'll really
mess with your head.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
Taking this person out of human interactions, sort of labeling
them as a dead person while they're still actually living,
is all part of that that the cruelty of that
process is this is not a real human being, so
we can take him or her out of human society,
what little society we may have allowed them over the past,
(23:03):
however many years, and we're going to put them very
literally in a cage to be watched like an animal,
and then we'll put them down.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I know, obviously President Trump has made no secret of
his desire to execute aggressively. So where do you see.
Where do you see this moment of time in terms
of the state of Tennessee and the people you represent
on death Row?
Speaker 7 (23:32):
I feel like this is a weird time sitting in Tennessee.
It does feel like the machinery of death, if you will,
is ramping up and we are executing more and more people.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Along with Krista, three other death row inmates had their
dates announced on the same day.
Speaker 7 (23:51):
And what's weird about that to me is like that
at the political top level of things, we're not seeing
more capital convictions and death sentences in the same way.
It seems like the people of Tennessee. And that may
be wrong about this, but it's something that gives me hope.
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The people of Tennessee at a minimum, find it distasteful
and are certainly more judicious about this than I think
they have been in a long time. That does not
appear to be something that courts or politicians are particularly
interested in.
Speaker 10 (24:30):
Before twenty eighteen, there would typically be at least one,
sometimes more deathcedances issued every year. After twenty eighteen, Between
twenty eighteen and this year, there have only been two
descenances issued, and so you do see the trend of
citizens not returning to do. I mean there have been
cases in the last year or two where there were
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triple and quadruple homicides that settled for less than death
and didn't even go to trial. And then when cases
are taken to t wilders are rejecting the death penalty.
But this is a dark time.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Part of the reluctance of prosecutors to ask for a
death sentence is a growing reluctance of jurors to agree.
Concerns about systemic issues and the equitable application of justice,
including the potential to execute someone innocent, have driven support
for the death penalty to five decade lows, especially among
younger Americans.
Speaker 9 (25:31):
Public support for the death penalty right now is barely
over majority, so around fifty three percent of Americans will
generally say they support the death penalty.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
I think those.
Speaker 9 (25:43):
Numbers are a bit misleading, because when you start asking
different questions and more specific questions, you often find that
people have grave reservations about use of the death penalty,
particularly when it's used against young people. For example, we
know now that the brains of young people, people not
just under the age of eighteen, but nineteen twenty twenty one,
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are not fully developed, and so that has implications for
how culpable they are for the crimes they may commit
at those ages. So I think people are getting uncomfortable
with the idea of sentencing to death young people. They're
uncomfortable with the way that mental illness and intellectual disability
and brain damage affects behavior and affects the ability of
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people to conform their behavior to the requirements of the law.
And we're seeing that reluctance translated into the number of
new death sentences around the country. You know, at one
point it's hard to believe, but we had well over
three hundred death sentences in a single year. That was
before the turn of the century. Last year we had
twenty six new death sentences, and we're on track to
(26:50):
do about the same for this year. But that is
markedly different from where we were just twenty five years ago,
and that I think is a reflection of the concerns
that the public have about use of the death penalty,
the many ways that we get it wrong, and their
doubts about whether they can trust a system that gets
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it wrong so often and yet requires such a tremendous
investment of resources.
Speaker 12 (27:21):
Very few countries, relatively speaking, especially countries that have Western
industrialized democracies have the death penalty. I almost no one
has the death penalty.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
This is Sandra Babcock, a law professor at Cornell University,
an expert in the death penalty.
Speaker 12 (27:36):
I mean, frankly, it's not just Western industrialized democracies. I
mean we're increasingly one of a tiny handful of countries
that continues to execute people. And our brothers and sisters
in that, you know, in that category of countries that
are imposing the death penalty are China, Iran, Iraq, you know, Yemen,
(27:59):
Saudi Arabia. These are not countries with which we typically
associate ourselves when it comes to respect for human rights.
European countries, the vast majority of Latin American countries, the
great majority of African states do not have the death penalty,
and don't even have life imprisonment without the possibility of parole,
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which is considered to be an inhumane punishment as well.
So our system is really at the very extreme, very
punitive end of responses to violent crime. And there are
many other countries that have systems that are focused much
more on rehabilitation than ours is and who have lower
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rates of violent crime in their societies.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Do you get the sense in talking to Christa right now,
like how is she doing with just the day to
day emotions of life, Like how is she doing getting
up in the morning and going for meals and engaging
with other people and knowing that she's starting this down.
Speaker 10 (29:08):
I know we need to monitor Krista very carefully because
what's unfolding on a daily basis for her right now
in her interactions are people are asking her, what are
you going to pick your last meal? What are your
last words going to be? You have an opportunity here
that so few people get, which is to say something
(29:28):
very profound before you leave this earth. And what are
you going to say? And Christa's like, that's a lot
of pressure. I don't know what I'm supposed to say.
And so I told her again, we're just going to
have to win, so you don't have to go through
the stress of trying to come up with something.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, Krista, if.
Speaker 11 (29:50):
Steve and Randy and I and the rest of your
team are successful, what you'll be looking at is living
the rest of your life inside prison.
Speaker 10 (29:59):
What the does that look like to you? What would
you do with the.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Time that you have Kelly Gleason recorded this interview with
Krista on Our Behalf before she got her execution date.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
If I have my sentence overturn, that would mean I
would be living on the regular compound, which would mean
I could get a good job. I could get a roommate,
which would be so weird for me, but I would
have a hopefully a permanent roommate, someone stable that I
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could live with and just try to function with. Get
some kind of normal life going in here for myself,
maybe get in classes. I would like to get something
started to help some of the younger women that come
in here that have maybe been through some of the
things that I've been through in my life, to keep
(30:55):
them from coming back.
Speaker 11 (30:59):
Looking back, when you were a kid, what kind of
help did you need that you didn't get?
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Well?
Speaker 6 (31:11):
I feel like as a child.
Speaker 9 (31:17):
This is hard.
Speaker 6 (31:18):
I think anyone recognizing when I was young doing something
about me being sexually abused. I think people acknowledging me,
paying attention to me, nurturing me, guiding me, maybe realizing
(31:41):
that I didn't long the same way as other children,
and doing something too, I don't know, just just nurturing
any talent that I had any gift, that I had
any bright spot in me, you know, maybe recognizing that
I had bipolar disorder instead of just labeling at something else.
(32:05):
And maybe if I were treated for that earlier than
waiting until I was incarcerated. There are so many things
that could have been different from so many years prior
to this happening, that could have sent me down a
different road.
Speaker 10 (32:27):
In this case. What do you think justice for Colleen
looks like.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
I don't know what justice for Colleen looks like.
Speaker 8 (32:41):
There's nothing that I can do.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
There's nothing I can say. There's nothing anyone can do
to bring her back. There's nothing anyone can do to
take May's paint away, or anyone else in her family
or any of her friends, or you know, anyone who
cares for her, anyone who needs to feel vindicated on
(33:09):
her behalf. There's nothing that anyone can do to bring
her back. So I don't know what this for her
looks like. But I can, you know, all I can
do on on my part is try to, you know,
(33:32):
the best person I can be today. I can. I
can try to be hopeful now. I can, you know,
try to talk to people in here now that I
see going down the path that I was going down
when I was young. I can try to be a
good person now, I can try to be a better
(33:53):
person tomorrow than I am today, And you know, I
don't know what that looks like.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
This final episode was recorded on October sixteenth, twenty twenty five.
Christa's team was still working on her clemency petition to
present to Tennessee's Republican Governor, Bill Lee. Krista had yet
to formally choose whether she would like to die by
lethal injection or electric chair. She had started to think
about any final remarks she would like to make.
Speaker 11 (34:26):
Do you think it's possible that you would ever get
to a point in your life where you no longer
deserve to be punished?
Speaker 6 (34:34):
No matter how long I'm alive, I'll always be punished
for this, whether I'm on this row, whether I have
a life stinness, whether I were to walk out the
gate to this prison. Because I know what I did,
I know what I've done to my family, to my
(34:59):
victim who have victims family. I'll live with that for
the rest of my life, and I have an understanding
of the gravity of that.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Now.
Speaker 6 (35:12):
I'll punish myself for that for the rest of my life.
Speaker 11 (35:16):
Okay, I'll just stop recording and unless there's anything more
you want to.
Speaker 6 (35:19):
Say, I don't know. I think that's it.
Speaker 11 (35:25):
Okay, I'm going to stop recording them.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
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and Beth Carris, mixing and sound design by Reza Daya
for Anonymous content. Jessica Grimshaw is our executive producer, Jennifer
Sears is our executive in charge of production, and Nicole
Pronk is our legal counsel. For iHeart, executive producer Christina
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