December 3, 2025 • 26 mins
Ariana Grande’s Big Brother, Frankie Grande, talks about the highs and lows of being on ‘Big Brother.’
Hear why the reality show caused a relapse in his sobriety, and what he did to get back on the wagon.
Plus, his relationship with his ‘Wickedly’ talented sister, how he handles social media monsters, and the ONE constant in his life that keeps him grounded.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, gorgeous, It's Lala Kent. Welcome to Untraditionally, Lala. Hey, babes,
it's La La Kent, Welcome back to Untraditionally Lala. I
am so excited to have Frankie Grande on this podcast.
You have no idea. I've been obsessed with him for
quite some time, and the way that we met was
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we did a film together and I was completely starstruck.
It's actually the same film that David Arquette spoke about
me being a total bitch on set, and I had
to call him out on socials to be like, could
you maybe take into consideration that I'm around, I don't
know you, Frankie Grande, Misha Barton, and maybe I was
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a little intimidated. Can we maybe take a step back. Anyway,
Frankie was freaking fantastic on that movie, and I'm excited
to deep dive into him and his life and sobriety.
You guys know Frankie Grande as an actor, a singer,
a dancer, a producer, television personality. He's also the brother
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of Ariana Grande. So let's give the warmest of welcomes
to Frankie motherfucking Grande.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Welcome to La La Can Show.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Oh you are just everything.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I miss you so much. I can't believe this is happening.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
By the way, i just feel like I know you
so well from the time that we met and bonded
on the set of Spree and just watching your socials.
I'm like, we're so deeply connected. Am I a psychopath
for thinking that?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
No, not at all. I feel exactly the same way.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
We're also thrust into that environment in such a crazy way,
Like it was like, hey, have fun, You're locked in
a car together.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
With a murderer I know, and Frankie I was so
intimidated by. I like, was this girl from Utah who
just like happened to be on a reality TV show?
And then I'm put into a car with like these
very talented, well rounded actors and I'm like, I have
no it's the first time ever I've struggled with Imposter syndrome.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Oh my god, well I have struggled with a Boster
syndrome myself. So when you say that, I'm like, oh, okay,
something we can talk about.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
You look amazing. I'm so grateful that you're taking time
for me.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Are you kidding? I'm so excited. Stop it. We're friends
and also I'm thrilled.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Thank you okay, so so much for having me of
course anytime. Okay, are we all glammed up just for
the day or are we like in rehearsal mode just.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
For you baby?
Speaker 3 (02:38):
No, I'm gonna go see my friend perform at Carnegie
Hall after this, so it's like, you know what, let's
just like, you know, do a too, fer.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
I love this for you. Okay, so you're you're currently
on Broadway right now.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
So no, I just closed Rocky Horror last night, which
is why I have no voice because I've been screaming
and in the final show, I just let it all go.
I was like, you know what, I'm going my last
show for a second, I'm just gonna sing. And then
I cried after with the cast during our final bow
and just got home last night.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
So I'm a little under but I am so excited
to be here.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Well, I think your voice is very sexy. Let me
ask you, so, do you when you start you said
it's your third year that you've done this. Yeah, before
every show, do you get nervous and go, oh my gosh,
what if it doesn't go the way I think it's
gonna go.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
So in no, I'm very much about I like when.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
It doesn't go the way we think it's gonna go.
Like I'm like a very on your feet kind of performer,
Like I'm a host as well, So like anything that happens,
like I'm just like, let me volley, let me play
on it. Like there was like one one day recently
where I drop a girl and the sound effect actually
of her hitting the floor happened before I dropped her, okay,
And then I dropped her and then I was like, wow,
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I actually sounded like you hit the deck before you
hit the deck.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
And then the audience just like lost their mind and
like started laughing.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
So like things like that I love because it just
becomes It's what makes live theater so fun.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Did you grow up in the theater?
Speaker 3 (04:15):
So I started when I was in fifth grade. My
very first show I did was Bye by Bertie Okay,
and so I just my mother also started taking me
two Broadway shows and I was like eight years old.
So I'd seen like Phantom of the Opper ten times
by the time I was ten years old. And you know,
I saw a Little Shop of Horrors at eight and
it was just like I was like.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Wow, this is so magical and I want to do
that one day.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
So yeah, in my DNA was your mom in the arts?
Oh my mom is no, she's a ceo girl. She's
got like companies what wazoo and she but she loves
art and she loved exposing her children to art. So
like took me obviously when I was a very little kid.
And then as soon as Ariana was born, we were
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all in the in the you know, going to Broadway
shows to together immediately, like and then ari got to
watch me on Broadway. You know, she was twelve years old.
It was when I joined mom and Mia. So it
was like, you know, it's like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
What an incredible experience to be artists. Right, you were
destined for greatness. What's the age difference between you and Ariana?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Ten long years?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Ten long years? And is it just the two of
you or do you have other siblings?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Just well, so I have a half brother, James, with
my dad and my stepmom. He's wonderful and yeah, so
it's just our little our little family.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I love that every time I think of you, like
you just embody everything that I that I want this
world to be oh, just very kind. Well I'm not
that kind actually, Well it depends on who you ask.
Some people think I'm wonderful. Some people think I'm a
giant cunt.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I love that though.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
But because you can't be everything to everyone, you know
what I'm saying, because then you're not genuine. Right now,
you've got to kiss some fucking people off, especially like
today in this political environment, it's like you if you're
like not pissing someone off, then what the fuck are
you doing?
Speaker 1 (06:13):
And you know what, I You can't please everybody, and
I don't want to connect with everybody because then we
have a massive problem. And I don't know who I am.
So there's a ten year age difference when when you
got into this environment where you're like on Broadway and anything.
You don't want to talk about Frankie, you just tell me.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
What I do know is that the two of us
share sobriety. Yeah right, and you've got eight years, Yes
I do, Okay, I just hit seven years. I want
to say last.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Week, happy birthday, Thank you, my love.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
So I want to know what was what was that
moment of you were like, oh, I'm really digging the drink.
Or whatever your choice was. I found that being in
entertainment and you obviously possess talent, and I'm in reality TV,
but I noticed that it was like, oh, we're having
drinks whether it's nine in the morning or nine o'clock
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at night, and it just became my norm. When did
it become your norm?
Speaker 3 (07:29):
I think, well, So I got sober to like with
a sober coach two years before I went on Big
Brother so and because it was a challenge for my
therapist to see if I could do ninety days clean.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
And I was like, of course I can, that's so easy.
I couldn't make it one day clean.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
So I hired a sober coach and they stared at
me for ninety days and I did my ninety days clean,
and at the end I was like work, See that
wasn't that wasn't difficult at all. Meanwhile, I had to
pay a woman thousands of dollars stare at me and
just to get me to not drink, so and I
didn't learn shit. And then I was like, you know what,
I'm gonna like have one drink this month, and then
I was gonna have two drinks this month, and then
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it was one drink a week, and then it was
one drink a night, and then it was every night again,
and it.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Was just wasted. Was wasted.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
So I think when I realized that I had gotten
back into the swing of things so easily after paying
that woman for ninety days, I was like, oh shit, I.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Think I have a problem.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
And then when I got the call to be on
Big Brother, I hired her again two weeks out from
going into moving into the house, because I knew that
if I went into that house and had to detox
on live television, I would be a fucking disaster. And
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so I was smart enough to know, you're an addict,
you're an alcoholic. Hire that bitch, detox for two weeks,
go into the house. And so I left the Big
Brother experience over four months sober and clean, and I
was like, this is great, you know, like I'm great,
I'm so perfect, I'm ready. And then fucking after party, right,
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you're standing there and you're with your fucking after Big Brother,
I'm out.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I didn't drink that night.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I was so proud of myself. Went to the after party,
and then you know, someone something happened. Somebody said some
shit about I don't know, tweet about fucking on Instagram
whatever the fuck it was, and there was a drink
and somebody was like, do you want to sit? Then
I was like yep, And then forty three seconds later
calling a dealer and back to the races and harder
than ever because I had just gotten off that experience,
which you know, reality TV is such a trigger.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yes, it's a really tough environment to be in.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
You know, you joke about you know, not having talent
or whatever, but but reality TV I have found doing
both things takes a skill set to survive. That is
really difficult in demanding on your psyche, on your body,
and on your humanity, especially with someone who's stayings sober.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
So don't underplay it.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
You know you're you are an incredible person to be
able to exist in that world and be successful over
and over again.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I really appreciate you saying that, because you know, I
have very self deprecating humor. But when it really comes
down to it, I look at reality TV as an
art and not everybody can do it, and not everybody can,
you know, go on and be authentically themselves and be interesting,
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but it is I don't know, if you're in the
program or not. You don't have to disclose that I
am in the program, and I've noticed what's really hard,
and you know, honestly, my way to quote unquote success
in this environment is to be able to separate reality
from reality. Because if I don't do that, you know,
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everything that I learn in my program and do with
my sponsor, it really when I when I step into
you know, reality television world, although very much real life,
it goes against everything that I learn in my program
for sure. So that is it does take you're playing
a character. It's survival. It truly is survival. And I
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think that's a huge reason why I love la La
Kent so much, because Lauren from Utah that you know,
was very insecure and impressionable and didn't quite know where
she fit in. She would be eaten alive in this world.
And because you've done both, you know where you're on
stage playing an actual character, but then going into Big
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Brother and you know that that's a game show. It's
basically how how can you move to to survive? Right?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yes, And it's a.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
And you have to lie, and you have to manipulate,
and you have to cheat, you have to steal and
I'm not supposed to do that anymore's.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Supposed to do that, And now you're doing it for
the entertainment.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yes of others of the masses.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
It is a mind fuck when you when you were
doing Big Brother, did you notice a different level of
fandom that came with that show?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Oh? Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And Big Brother fans are absolutely wonderful and absolutely horrible
at the same time. You know, like they are very passionate,
and if they love you, they love you, and if
they hate you, they hate you, right, And it's like, oh,
holy shit, I had no idea I was so hated
by so many people. And it's like, you know, yeah,
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only I would say, like maybe thirty percent of the
viewers really hated me, But that's thirty percent of eight
nine million people. So it's like that's a big number.
And you see that shit and you start to ignore
all the love it the love, and you only focus
on the hate because that's how human beings are wired, right,
Like it's like fire Hume, remember fire hot, don't do
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that again, and so like, ouch, that tweet hurt me.
That's all I think about. It doesn't matter that there
were eight thousand people that said I love you and
you're so fabulous. I'm like that, but that one person
called me if and that's it. I'm done, you know, right?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:16):
How do you handle the negativity in the comments section?
Have you learned to shut it out?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:24):
I've learned to basically stay out of the comments. I
you know, Instagram is a really safe place for me.
I've cultivated a lovely audience there and I've got all
my words blocked and all that stuff, so I can
like go on and it's fine. I don't spend too
much time in the comments on X. I don't spend
too much time in the comments on TikTok. So you know,
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if something is great, I have a team.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I have a social media team. I'll ask them. I'll
be like, hey, how's it going. Should I go into
the comments?
Speaker 3 (13:51):
And they'll be like, yup, totally, you're good, or like
they'll literally be like, nah, there's some bullshit in there.
You don't need to worry about some homophobic discourse. And
I'm like, okay, cool you.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Oh I love that.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
And like the one, you know, the big thing, like
when I performed on Jimmy fallon this year, it really
uh sparked a lot of controversy and hate because I
was so so gay and proud. You know, I started
it in bed with two men and harnesses, and you know,
because it was fallin I didn't think it would be
an issue, but I get that then like fallen posts
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on the Internet and then you know, like moms against
American blubba a fifty thing whatever. Who the fuck else
will like reshare it and be like this is on television,
and then you know, Republicans are up in arms. So
I did enjoy that discourse because it was actually something
that I was passionate about my art, and watching it
be challenging for so many people on Pride in New
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York City made me happy and proud totally while I'm
actually fucking doing something with this opportunity to I have
been given to perform on Fallon and I didn't just
go stand there in like with a fucking microphone and
like a cool and be like you know, a fucking
you know, safe performance on Pride. I'm like, no, I'm
gonna be franky, I'm gonna be a big homosexual, and
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I'm gonna start it in bed with two men, Like fuck.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
You right, he's here, he's gay, yeah, good. It is
wild because I come I come from Salt Lake City, Utah,
and maybe I just came from a more liberal family
out there, but even the way that I go about
my life and you know, uh, my youngest was conceived
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via donor, which had people up in arms. But you
really forget the world that we live in when you
when you travel between two places like Los Angeles and
New York that are very open and different, is just
you know, it's inspiring and it's embraced. And then you
post on social media and you remember that other people
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exist in the world that that are not like you,
and it is a huge wake up call to like, oh,
I'm seeing things through a different lens because I've been
in my LA bubble or my New York bubble where
everyone thinks I'm fabulous and they love that I got
a donor and they you know.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yeah exactly, and they're like, oh my god, great, are
you also vegan?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Right, are you giving your baby vegan breast milk like work?
And then you're like post it on social media and
they're like.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeap, feed your child?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
What the fuck?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
What the fuck? It's a lot. You recently got married
within the last few years, right.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yes, we got married. You just reminded me I have
to approve my repair and my wedding ring. I'm wearing
my wedding band right now. Yes, and yeah, it's wonderful.
It's really wonderful. I'm on his setup right now. I
got his little name in the corner. I'm like, oh,
my husband, I have a husband.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
You have a husband. I don't have a husband. Did
it change the way you look at him once you
guys got married.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Yes, because there was a little bit more stability in
our life and our relationship. And it's like, you know,
we spend a lot of time apart because of my
career in my life.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Right, like I am flying.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
I'm gonna be on a plane basically every four days
for the next two months maybe, and it's just the
way that it is. But like our relationship survives that
now because we made this commitment to each other. And
it's like, you know, I'm really grateful and I'm so
grateful to him because he does have the harder, the
hardest a job, right.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Because like he is like kind of the at home husband.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
He takes care of the dog, he stays around, he
goes to the gym, he looks hot as fuck, like,
you know, like he's got his things that he needs
to do handy. But I'm when but but he gets
a little lonely because you know, my life is so
crazy right when I am on the road, I barely
have time to miss him, let alone drink water, you
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know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
So it's very different.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
And so he's We've been doing really well, but there
is something about like just that commitment of marriage to
be like, honey, I know this next six weeks are
going to be fucking insane.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
But then come Christmas, like, I.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Am yours for two weeks and it's me and you
and a fireplace and a dog, so like, let's just
get there. And it's like, you know, if it was
a boyfriend, it's a different it's a different feeling. You know,
it's kind of like, oh, well, why the fuck am
I sitting alone in the house?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
You know?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Right? The stakes are much higher now, Yeah, you have
something to really put thought into and fight for.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yes, exactly do you two talk.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
About having kids? Do you want children?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
We've talked about it several times.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
When we go back and forth, I think, you know,
I'm still in like a pretty substantial growth phase, I
think in my career. So like where I'm where I'm
trying to get to, I haven't gotten to yet. Happy
where I am, we're very content, but I think if
a child were to enter into the picture, it would
I wouldn't be able to do the gigs and the
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jobs that I am currently pursuing, right and so, and
also financially, like I just want to be in a
better place. So we talk about it, you know, and
we haven't made a decision yet. You know, I'm forty two,
but like you know the men, he's thirty three, so
you know, we've.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Still got some time.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
You have plenty of time.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
I can be like a cool old dad, you know,
like I think Robert de Niro just had a son,
like yesterday.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
The age and I used to think this was so cheesy,
like ag nothing but a number, And now as I'm
getting older, I'm like it truly is the vibe and
the energy and like what the soul is like? Right,
And you've got a very just like you've just got
this this youthfulness to you. You've got plenty of time.
Your husband is young. What I do want to ask you, though,
is because they're when you're an entertainer, you always say
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not you, but just my In general, what I have
found is when I ask people do you want kids?
And when people would ask me even it was like,
I haven't accomplished what I want to accomplish. Yeah, But
then once you do.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
You want more, right, it doesn't end.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
It doesn't end.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
No, you get the.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Tony, you want the Oscar, you want the Grammy, you
want the fucking whatever, Emmy.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
We just crave the next goal and what we're going
to reach next. And I saw this thing on Instagram
the other day where it said being ready is not
not a feeling, it's a decision. Yeah, And I was like,
why is my mind so fucking blown right now? Holy shit?
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So I wonder I guess my question.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Is do you I'm ready?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Will you like, will you ever accomplish what you want
to so that you can say like I think now
I'm ready, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
And I will go back and not amend but clarify
like I have accomplished what I want to, which is
like being happy, comfortable and having my family.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
So like, you know, I'm so grateful for where I
am right now.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
I just mean, like, my schedule is fucking nuts so,
but I've seen like my mother, for example, the the
SHEEO of all her companies, Like was she ready when
she had me aied like twenty whatever, one, two, three,
four whatever? It was, No, absolutely not, but she just
you know, had her son. And then I was in
the boardroom with her, you know, like I was in
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a little Armani suit, like in standing in front of
like a fleet of admirals in the Navy because she
makes communication equipments for the Navy.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Like it's like it's just like it just that's the
way it went, and it was such fun.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Badass.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yeah, she's a fucking badass. And she's like, you know,
the woman.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
In the room.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Oh she's still the only woman in the room when
she went to all of those things, any sort of
trade show or business meeting, it's only woman.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
So she's badass. But it's like, yeah, no, I guess.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
So if you're saying, but I guess that's the luxury
of being a gay man is like we're not going
to accidentally get pregnant. Keep trying, but uh, nobody doesn't stick,
you know what I'm saying, right, So, uh, I guess
that's the luxury of being gay is like we really
really don't we really do get to just like definitely
think about this decision very hard.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Right, no accidental like oops, I'm pregnant. What are you
doing now? You know It's like, no, that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I'm so dead. I love this. Are you Are you
close with with your siblings? Like, do you guys get
together and see each other or is it so your
schedules are so chaotic that it's like a well thought
out get together.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
My sister was literally just said goodbye as I sat
were My sister she was literally just here as I
as I sat down, she was like, have a good podcast.
Like it's like we're very very close. We see each
other all the time, and you know, her life and
my life are just so crazy busy, but we always
find times like even on this last contract, yeah that
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I was just doing like every Sunday night we had
dinner together. I came home, even if I got home
at like nine o'clock or whatever, Like I went straight
to her apartment. We had dinner together, and it was
just like it's just so important for me to have
those moments of connection with her, especially because we are
so close and because our lives are so crazy, right,
and how important family.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Is to both of us.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
So we just spent all the time together mom my
mom was at the show with my husband and my
dog every weekend. So wow, I've also like been very
connected and great. And then yeah, they're all, you know,
my husband and my mom are outside waiting to play
a Lego party right now before I you know, go
to go see my friend in the show later.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
So it's like we're very we're very close to family.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Can I tell you that makes me so happy, Frankie,
because I think what you said just resonated with me
of like I've accomplished what I what I want. And
I think when you're in this line of work, any
line of work, like you have your goals, but ultimately
once you reach them and you look at the bigger picture,
like all I really want is a peaceful, happy life
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to around people who I really love and feel safe with.
Ye And the fact that you have, you've gotten to
where you've gotten to. Your sister is obviously who she is,
and you guys make time to remember real life and
what's important is so inspiring and amazing.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Oh, thank you and so welcome, so important because you
know in our line of where people.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Can spiral real quick. And I think the thing that.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Makes you not is that dedication to family and to
you know, really grounded relationships.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I fully agree with you.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
These people have been with me since the beginning and
it's like, you know, we're just we're just you know,
Frankie and Ari when we're together, that.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Is so and it's lovely.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah. And you you've from from the womb to the
tomb baby?
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Amen? Amen?
Speaker 1 (24:53):
So what's next for you? Where are you headed next?
What are we doing?
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Okay, So I'm going out on tour. I'm so excited
about this.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
I'm gonna be doing the sleigh Ride tour with the
icon Alyssa Edwards and the icon Corey King, who broke
the Internet once again for Halloween.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
And we're gonna be going to several.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
States Without Loud, which is this amazing production company that
is also has like a social agenda, which.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Will be with a human rights campaign.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
We're going to be going into red and purple states
in addition to LA and we're gonna be bringing you know,
queer holiday cheer into places where maybe people's families suck.
I love this, so come be with us if your
family sucks, that's what I say. Come come celebrate with Frankie,
Corey and Alyssa.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Where can people find the dates for that?
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I'm gonna be posting on an Instagram, so I'll just
go to my Instagram.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Okay, so to be at Frankie Grande on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Jay Grande, I know at Frankie J.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Grande, Frankie Jr. I love this so much. I'm gonna
sign us off here, but I'm gonna keep you for
my boner episode. Oh you, guys, thank you so much
for listening to another episode of Untraditionally La La with
my most favorite guests ever, Frankie Grande. Thank you, my love,
and I'll catch you guys on the bonus love you
booth the bonus word
Hello, gorgeous, It's Lala Kent. Welcome to Untraditionally, Lala. Hey, babes,
it's La La Kent, Welcome back to Untraditionally Lala. I
am so excited to have Frankie Grande on this podcast.
You have no idea. I've been obsessed with him for
quite some time, and the way that we met was
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we did a film together and I was completely starstruck.
It's actually the same film that David Arquette spoke about
me being a total bitch on set, and I had
to call him out on socials to be like, could
you maybe take into consideration that I'm around, I don't
know you, Frankie Grande, Misha Barton, and maybe I was
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a little intimidated. Can we maybe take a step back. Anyway,
Frankie was freaking fantastic on that movie, and I'm excited
to deep dive into him and his life and sobriety.
You guys know Frankie Grande as an actor, a singer,
a dancer, a producer, television personality. He's also the brother
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of Ariana Grande. So let's give the warmest of welcomes
to Frankie motherfucking Grande.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Welcome to La La Can Show.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Oh you are just everything.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I miss you so much. I can't believe this is happening.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
By the way, i just feel like I know you
so well from the time that we met and bonded
on the set of Spree and just watching your socials.
I'm like, we're so deeply connected. Am I a psychopath
for thinking that?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
No, not at all. I feel exactly the same way.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
We're also thrust into that environment in such a crazy way,
Like it was like, hey, have fun, You're locked in
a car together.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
With a murderer I know, and Frankie I was so
intimidated by. I like, was this girl from Utah who
just like happened to be on a reality TV show?
And then I'm put into a car with like these
very talented, well rounded actors and I'm like, I have
no it's the first time ever I've struggled with Imposter syndrome.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Oh my god, well I have struggled with a Boster
syndrome myself. So when you say that, I'm like, oh, okay,
something we can talk about.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
You look amazing. I'm so grateful that you're taking time
for me.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Are you kidding? I'm so excited. Stop it. We're friends
and also I'm thrilled.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Thank you okay, so so much for having me of
course anytime. Okay, are we all glammed up just for
the day or are we like in rehearsal mode just.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
For you baby?
Speaker 3 (02:38):
No, I'm gonna go see my friend perform at Carnegie
Hall after this, so it's like, you know what, let's
just like, you know, do a too, fer.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
I love this for you. Okay, so you're you're currently
on Broadway right now.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
So no, I just closed Rocky Horror last night, which
is why I have no voice because I've been screaming
and in the final show, I just let it all go.
I was like, you know what, I'm going my last
show for a second, I'm just gonna sing. And then
I cried after with the cast during our final bow
and just got home last night.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
So I'm a little under but I am so excited
to be here.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Well, I think your voice is very sexy. Let me
ask you, so, do you when you start you said
it's your third year that you've done this. Yeah, before
every show, do you get nervous and go, oh my gosh,
what if it doesn't go the way I think it's
gonna go.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
So in no, I'm very much about I like when.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
It doesn't go the way we think it's gonna go.
Like I'm like a very on your feet kind of performer,
Like I'm a host as well, So like anything that happens,
like I'm just like, let me volley, let me play
on it. Like there was like one one day recently
where I drop a girl and the sound effect actually
of her hitting the floor happened before I dropped her, okay,
And then I dropped her and then I was like, wow,
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I actually sounded like you hit the deck before you
hit the deck.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
And then the audience just like lost their mind and
like started laughing.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
So like things like that I love because it just
becomes It's what makes live theater so fun.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Did you grow up in the theater?
Speaker 3 (04:15):
So I started when I was in fifth grade. My
very first show I did was Bye by Bertie Okay,
and so I just my mother also started taking me
two Broadway shows and I was like eight years old.
So I'd seen like Phantom of the Opper ten times
by the time I was ten years old. And you know,
I saw a Little Shop of Horrors at eight and
it was just like I was like.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Wow, this is so magical and I want to do
that one day.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
So yeah, in my DNA was your mom in the arts?
Oh my mom is no, she's a ceo girl. She's
got like companies what wazoo and she but she loves
art and she loved exposing her children to art. So
like took me obviously when I was a very little kid.
And then as soon as Ariana was born, we were
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all in the in the you know, going to Broadway
shows to together immediately, like and then ari got to
watch me on Broadway. You know, she was twelve years old.
It was when I joined mom and Mia. So it
was like, you know, it's like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
What an incredible experience to be artists. Right, you were
destined for greatness. What's the age difference between you and Ariana?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Ten long years?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Ten long years? And is it just the two of
you or do you have other siblings?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Just well, so I have a half brother, James, with
my dad and my stepmom. He's wonderful and yeah, so
it's just our little our little family.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I love that every time I think of you, like
you just embody everything that I that I want this
world to be oh, just very kind. Well I'm not
that kind actually, Well it depends on who you ask.
Some people think I'm wonderful. Some people think I'm a
giant cunt.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I love that though.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
But because you can't be everything to everyone, you know
what I'm saying, because then you're not genuine. Right now,
you've got to kiss some fucking people off, especially like
today in this political environment, it's like you if you're
like not pissing someone off, then what the fuck are
you doing?
Speaker 1 (06:13):
And you know what, I You can't please everybody, and
I don't want to connect with everybody because then we
have a massive problem. And I don't know who I am.
So there's a ten year age difference when when you
got into this environment where you're like on Broadway and anything.
You don't want to talk about Frankie, you just tell me.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
What I do know is that the two of us
share sobriety. Yeah right, and you've got eight years, Yes
I do, Okay, I just hit seven years. I want
to say last.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Week, happy birthday, Thank you, my love.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
So I want to know what was what was that
moment of you were like, oh, I'm really digging the drink.
Or whatever your choice was. I found that being in
entertainment and you obviously possess talent, and I'm in reality TV,
but I noticed that it was like, oh, we're having
drinks whether it's nine in the morning or nine o'clock
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at night, and it just became my norm. When did
it become your norm?
Speaker 3 (07:29):
I think, well, So I got sober to like with
a sober coach two years before I went on Big
Brother so and because it was a challenge for my
therapist to see if I could do ninety days clean.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
And I was like, of course I can, that's so easy.
I couldn't make it one day clean.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
So I hired a sober coach and they stared at
me for ninety days and I did my ninety days clean,
and at the end I was like work, See that
wasn't that wasn't difficult at all. Meanwhile, I had to
pay a woman thousands of dollars stare at me and
just to get me to not drink, so and I
didn't learn shit. And then I was like, you know what,
I'm gonna like have one drink this month, and then
I was gonna have two drinks this month, and then
(08:10):
it was one drink a week, and then it was
one drink a night, and then it was every night again,
and it.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Was just wasted. Was wasted.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
So I think when I realized that I had gotten
back into the swing of things so easily after paying
that woman for ninety days, I was like, oh shit, I.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Think I have a problem.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
And then when I got the call to be on
Big Brother, I hired her again two weeks out from
going into moving into the house, because I knew that
if I went into that house and had to detox
on live television, I would be a fucking disaster. And
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so I was smart enough to know, you're an addict,
you're an alcoholic. Hire that bitch, detox for two weeks,
go into the house. And so I left the Big
Brother experience over four months sober and clean, and I
was like, this is great, you know, like I'm great,
I'm so perfect, I'm ready. And then fucking after party, right,
(09:09):
you're standing there and you're with your fucking after Big Brother,
I'm out.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I didn't drink that night.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I was so proud of myself. Went to the after party,
and then you know, someone something happened. Somebody said some
shit about I don't know, tweet about fucking on Instagram
whatever the fuck it was, and there was a drink
and somebody was like, do you want to sit? Then
I was like yep, And then forty three seconds later
calling a dealer and back to the races and harder
than ever because I had just gotten off that experience,
which you know, reality TV is such a trigger.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yes, it's a really tough environment to be in.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
You know, you joke about you know, not having talent
or whatever, but but reality TV I have found doing
both things takes a skill set to survive. That is
really difficult in demanding on your psyche, on your body,
and on your humanity, especially with someone who's stayings sober.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
So don't underplay it.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
You know you're you are an incredible person to be
able to exist in that world and be successful over
and over again.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I really appreciate you saying that, because you know, I
have very self deprecating humor. But when it really comes
down to it, I look at reality TV as an
art and not everybody can do it, and not everybody can,
you know, go on and be authentically themselves and be interesting,
(10:34):
but it is I don't know, if you're in the
program or not. You don't have to disclose that I
am in the program, and I've noticed what's really hard,
and you know, honestly, my way to quote unquote success
in this environment is to be able to separate reality
from reality. Because if I don't do that, you know,
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everything that I learn in my program and do with
my sponsor, it really when I when I step into
you know, reality television world, although very much real life,
it goes against everything that I learn in my program
for sure. So that is it does take you're playing
a character. It's survival. It truly is survival. And I
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think that's a huge reason why I love la La
Kent so much, because Lauren from Utah that you know,
was very insecure and impressionable and didn't quite know where
she fit in. She would be eaten alive in this world.
And because you've done both, you know where you're on
stage playing an actual character, but then going into Big
(11:46):
Brother and you know that that's a game show. It's
basically how how can you move to to survive? Right?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yes, And it's a.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
And you have to lie, and you have to manipulate,
and you have to cheat, you have to steal and
I'm not supposed to do that anymore's.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Supposed to do that, And now you're doing it for
the entertainment.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yes of others of the masses.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
It is a mind fuck when you when you were
doing Big Brother, did you notice a different level of
fandom that came with that show?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Oh? Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And Big Brother fans are absolutely wonderful and absolutely horrible
at the same time. You know, like they are very passionate,
and if they love you, they love you, and if
they hate you, they hate you, right, And it's like, oh,
holy shit, I had no idea I was so hated
by so many people. And it's like, you know, yeah,
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only I would say, like maybe thirty percent of the
viewers really hated me, But that's thirty percent of eight
nine million people. So it's like that's a big number.
And you see that shit and you start to ignore
all the love it the love, and you only focus
on the hate because that's how human beings are wired, right,
Like it's like fire Hume, remember fire hot, don't do
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that again, and so like, ouch, that tweet hurt me.
That's all I think about. It doesn't matter that there
were eight thousand people that said I love you and
you're so fabulous. I'm like that, but that one person
called me if and that's it. I'm done, you know, right?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:16):
How do you handle the negativity in the comments section?
Have you learned to shut it out?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:24):
I've learned to basically stay out of the comments. I
you know, Instagram is a really safe place for me.
I've cultivated a lovely audience there and I've got all
my words blocked and all that stuff, so I can
like go on and it's fine. I don't spend too
much time in the comments on X. I don't spend
too much time in the comments on TikTok. So you know,
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if something is great, I have a team.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I have a social media team. I'll ask them. I'll
be like, hey, how's it going. Should I go into
the comments?
Speaker 3 (13:51):
And they'll be like, yup, totally, you're good, or like
they'll literally be like, nah, there's some bullshit in there.
You don't need to worry about some homophobic discourse. And
I'm like, okay, cool you.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Oh I love that.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
And like the one, you know, the big thing, like
when I performed on Jimmy fallon this year, it really
uh sparked a lot of controversy and hate because I
was so so gay and proud. You know, I started
it in bed with two men and harnesses, and you know,
because it was fallin I didn't think it would be
an issue, but I get that then like fallen posts
(14:22):
on the Internet and then you know, like moms against
American blubba a fifty thing whatever. Who the fuck else
will like reshare it and be like this is on television,
and then you know, Republicans are up in arms. So
I did enjoy that discourse because it was actually something
that I was passionate about my art, and watching it
be challenging for so many people on Pride in New
(14:46):
York City made me happy and proud totally while I'm
actually fucking doing something with this opportunity to I have
been given to perform on Fallon and I didn't just
go stand there in like with a fucking microphone and
like a cool and be like you know, a fucking
you know, safe performance on Pride. I'm like, no, I'm
gonna be franky, I'm gonna be a big homosexual, and
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I'm gonna start it in bed with two men, Like fuck.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
You right, he's here, he's gay, yeah, good. It is
wild because I come I come from Salt Lake City, Utah,
and maybe I just came from a more liberal family
out there, but even the way that I go about
my life and you know, uh, my youngest was conceived
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via donor, which had people up in arms. But you
really forget the world that we live in when you
when you travel between two places like Los Angeles and
New York that are very open and different, is just
you know, it's inspiring and it's embraced. And then you
post on social media and you remember that other people
(15:58):
exist in the world that that are not like you,
and it is a huge wake up call to like, oh,
I'm seeing things through a different lens because I've been
in my LA bubble or my New York bubble where
everyone thinks I'm fabulous and they love that I got
a donor and they you know.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yeah exactly, and they're like, oh my god, great, are
you also vegan?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Right, are you giving your baby vegan breast milk like work?
And then you're like post it on social media and
they're like.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeap, feed your child?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
What the fuck?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
What the fuck? It's a lot. You recently got married
within the last few years, right.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yes, we got married. You just reminded me I have
to approve my repair and my wedding ring. I'm wearing
my wedding band right now. Yes, and yeah, it's wonderful.
It's really wonderful. I'm on his setup right now. I
got his little name in the corner. I'm like, oh,
my husband, I have a husband.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
You have a husband. I don't have a husband. Did
it change the way you look at him once you
guys got married.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Yes, because there was a little bit more stability in
our life and our relationship. And it's like, you know,
we spend a lot of time apart because of my
career in my life.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Right, like I am flying.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
I'm gonna be on a plane basically every four days
for the next two months maybe, and it's just the
way that it is. But like our relationship survives that
now because we made this commitment to each other. And
it's like, you know, I'm really grateful and I'm so
grateful to him because he does have the harder, the
hardest a job, right.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Because like he is like kind of the at home husband.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
He takes care of the dog, he stays around, he
goes to the gym, he looks hot as fuck, like,
you know, like he's got his things that he needs
to do handy. But I'm when but but he gets
a little lonely because you know, my life is so
crazy right when I am on the road, I barely
have time to miss him, let alone drink water, you
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know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
So it's very different.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
And so he's We've been doing really well, but there
is something about like just that commitment of marriage to
be like, honey, I know this next six weeks are
going to be fucking insane.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
But then come Christmas, like, I.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Am yours for two weeks and it's me and you
and a fireplace and a dog, so like, let's just
get there. And it's like, you know, if it was
a boyfriend, it's a different it's a different feeling. You know,
it's kind of like, oh, well, why the fuck am
I sitting alone in the house?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
You know?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Right? The stakes are much higher now, Yeah, you have
something to really put thought into and fight for.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yes, exactly do you two talk.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
About having kids? Do you want children?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
We've talked about it several times.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
When we go back and forth, I think, you know,
I'm still in like a pretty substantial growth phase, I
think in my career. So like where I'm where I'm
trying to get to, I haven't gotten to yet. Happy
where I am, we're very content, but I think if
a child were to enter into the picture, it would
I wouldn't be able to do the gigs and the
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jobs that I am currently pursuing, right and so, and
also financially, like I just want to be in a
better place. So we talk about it, you know, and
we haven't made a decision yet. You know, I'm forty two,
but like you know the men, he's thirty three, so
you know, we've.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Still got some time.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
You have plenty of time.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
I can be like a cool old dad, you know,
like I think Robert de Niro just had a son,
like yesterday.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
The age and I used to think this was so cheesy,
like ag nothing but a number, And now as I'm
getting older, I'm like it truly is the vibe and
the energy and like what the soul is like? Right,
And you've got a very just like you've just got
this this youthfulness to you. You've got plenty of time.
Your husband is young. What I do want to ask you, though,
is because they're when you're an entertainer, you always say
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not you, but just my In general, what I have
found is when I ask people do you want kids?
And when people would ask me even it was like,
I haven't accomplished what I want to accomplish. Yeah, But
then once you do.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
You want more, right, it doesn't end.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
It doesn't end.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
No, you get the.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Tony, you want the Oscar, you want the Grammy, you
want the fucking whatever, Emmy.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
We just crave the next goal and what we're going
to reach next. And I saw this thing on Instagram
the other day where it said being ready is not
not a feeling, it's a decision. Yeah, And I was like,
why is my mind so fucking blown right now? Holy shit?
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So I wonder I guess my question.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Is do you I'm ready?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Will you like, will you ever accomplish what you want
to so that you can say like I think now
I'm ready, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
And I will go back and not amend but clarify
like I have accomplished what I want to, which is
like being happy, comfortable and having my family.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
So like, you know, I'm so grateful for where I
am right now.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
I just mean, like, my schedule is fucking nuts so,
but I've seen like my mother, for example, the the
SHEEO of all her companies, Like was she ready when
she had me aied like twenty whatever, one, two, three,
four whatever? It was, No, absolutely not, but she just
you know, had her son. And then I was in
the boardroom with her, you know, like I was in
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a little Armani suit, like in standing in front of
like a fleet of admirals in the Navy because she
makes communication equipments for the Navy.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Like it's like it's just like it just that's the
way it went, and it was such fun.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Badass.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yeah, she's a fucking badass. And she's like, you know,
the woman.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
In the room.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Oh she's still the only woman in the room when
she went to all of those things, any sort of
trade show or business meeting, it's only woman.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
So she's badass. But it's like, yeah, no, I guess.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
So if you're saying, but I guess that's the luxury
of being a gay man is like we're not going
to accidentally get pregnant. Keep trying, but uh, nobody doesn't stick,
you know what I'm saying, right, So, uh, I guess
that's the luxury of being gay is like we really
really don't we really do get to just like definitely
think about this decision very hard.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Right, no accidental like oops, I'm pregnant. What are you
doing now? You know It's like, no, that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I'm so dead. I love this. Are you Are you
close with with your siblings? Like, do you guys get
together and see each other or is it so your
schedules are so chaotic that it's like a well thought
out get together.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
My sister was literally just said goodbye as I sat
were My sister she was literally just here as I
as I sat down, she was like, have a good podcast.
Like it's like we're very very close. We see each
other all the time, and you know, her life and
my life are just so crazy busy, but we always
find times like even on this last contract, yeah that
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I was just doing like every Sunday night we had
dinner together. I came home, even if I got home
at like nine o'clock or whatever, Like I went straight
to her apartment. We had dinner together, and it was
just like it's just so important for me to have
those moments of connection with her, especially because we are
so close and because our lives are so crazy, right,
and how important family.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Is to both of us.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
So we just spent all the time together mom my
mom was at the show with my husband and my
dog every weekend. So wow, I've also like been very
connected and great. And then yeah, they're all, you know,
my husband and my mom are outside waiting to play
a Lego party right now before I you know, go
to go see my friend in the show later.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
So it's like we're very we're very close to family.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Can I tell you that makes me so happy, Frankie,
because I think what you said just resonated with me
of like I've accomplished what I what I want. And
I think when you're in this line of work, any
line of work, like you have your goals, but ultimately
once you reach them and you look at the bigger picture,
like all I really want is a peaceful, happy life
(23:59):
to around people who I really love and feel safe with.
Ye And the fact that you have, you've gotten to
where you've gotten to. Your sister is obviously who she is,
and you guys make time to remember real life and
what's important is so inspiring and amazing.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Oh, thank you and so welcome, so important because you
know in our line of where people.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Can spiral real quick. And I think the thing that.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Makes you not is that dedication to family and to
you know, really grounded relationships.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I fully agree with you.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
These people have been with me since the beginning and
it's like, you know, we're just we're just you know,
Frankie and Ari when we're together, that.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Is so and it's lovely.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah. And you you've from from the womb to the
tomb baby?
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Amen? Amen?
Speaker 1 (24:53):
So what's next for you? Where are you headed next?
What are we doing?
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Okay, So I'm going out on tour. I'm so excited
about this.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
I'm gonna be doing the sleigh Ride tour with the
icon Alyssa Edwards and the icon Corey King, who broke
the Internet once again for Halloween.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
And we're gonna be going to several.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
States Without Loud, which is this amazing production company that
is also has like a social agenda, which.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Will be with a human rights campaign.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
We're going to be going into red and purple states
in addition to LA and we're gonna be bringing you know,
queer holiday cheer into places where maybe people's families suck.
I love this, so come be with us if your
family sucks, that's what I say. Come come celebrate with Frankie,
Corey and Alyssa.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Where can people find the dates for that?
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I'm gonna be posting on an Instagram, so I'll just
go to my Instagram.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Okay, so to be at Frankie Grande on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Jay Grande, I know at Frankie J.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Grande, Frankie Jr. I love this so much. I'm gonna
sign us off here, but I'm gonna keep you for
my boner episode. Oh you, guys, thank you so much
for listening to another episode of Untraditionally La La with
my most favorite guests ever, Frankie Grande. Thank you, my love,
and I'll catch you guys on the bonus love you
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