March 15, 2025 • 40 mins
LaVar Arrington, TJ Houshmandzadeh, and Plaxico Burress talk about Ryan Clark’s comments on Shedeur Sanders and how he’s being perceived by the NFL and media, the verbal feud between former Cowboy DeMarcus Lawrence and current Cowboy Micah Parsons, and more!
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before we get to this first topic, which is a doozy,
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Man, LeVar.
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You know, we planning the same time zone, same area,
close to each other, right, So plex Man, the last
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Yeah man, it's just been raining.
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Like like we was living where you at.
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Yeah, man, just wind and that's what we're doing a
day long. Right.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
So then I wake up this morning, I opened the
blinds up, and I say, trees today.
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We got a little different deal today.
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I guess my nature said, we're gonna bless you for
the weekend.
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Baby, here we go. Just like y'all say, may y'all
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I want to refund it every single time it's bad out,
like it's been the last three days.
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So what would be the daily ref So what would
be the daily refund for every day that it rains
and nothing?
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Well, just like how they have that that yearly you know,
percentage they based on how much you make, I mean
nations based on how much you make. You know, if
you're paying, you paying, you know, so they that percentage.
Gotta build gotta build them roads, you know me fellas
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speaking of building roads, you know, when you're a prospect
and you want to build up to being a top
draft pick. In the draft, you go through the process
of playing on the field, handling your business off of it,
and you hope that you've done well enough that when
you get to the point of where you're leaving college,
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you're going to have the opportunity to be seen for
the talent.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
That you are.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
And you do your interviews, your job interviews, and then
you get drafted and your dream of becoming a pro
now is solidified. And that's what most of us, much
of us who enter into sports and athletics, if that's
the type of ending that's connected to your sport, that's
what you're working towards. One of the things that takes
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place during the process of getting evaluated and doing your
job interviews, sometimes scrutiny becomes a part of and and
and very very intense analysis on these prospects that are
coming out going into the draft. It becomes a thing.
Now this week, uh, this past week, we we had
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a very interesting, uh kind of exchange, maybe not in exchange,
but maybe a take on a guy that we all know,
Ryan Clark. He's made media, he's made the headlines, He's
gone viral for a take he had on Shador Sanders
going into this draft. Now, I wanted to get you guys.
(04:39):
You know, we we've done some shows. You know, we've
done shows with Jason Whitlock and other people, and it's
called you know, speak for yourself and stuff like that,
because you're speaking your truth, you're tackling tough conversations, and
we do it without any type of trepidation or shame
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or any thing like that. We just do our jobs
and put people up on game on what it really is.
I want to get y'all's opinion on what Ryan Clark
had to say about Shador Sanders and what the representation
of who he is how that may be affecting and
hitting people. I want y'all listen to what he had
to say and then let's have a conversation about gohad
run it.
Speaker 7 (05:19):
But we all know that they plant these certain reports
or they say these certain things, and you do hear
the word arrogant?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Why is he arrogant? Because he won't walk.
Speaker 7 (05:28):
Into the meeting and bend the knee, or he won't
sit in the meeting and question himself or his abilities,
or his knowledge and experience in the game. I don't
believe that that's arrogance. I want a quarterback that self assured.
I want a quarterback that could cut the film on
it when you ask him a question about why did
you make this mistake or why did you make this
throw or why was this the right read? I want
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him to be able to regurgitate that to me like
he's in the play at the moment, the same way
a coach or an office coordinator would.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Because that's what he's going to have to do.
Speaker 7 (05:57):
And I've had conversations with Shadua Sanders and he can
do that. We all know that it's not just about
him being Dion sanders Son. It's about the bravado he carries.
It's about the fact that he looks a certain way.
It is about the fact that the color of his
skin sometimes at that position can be questioned.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
It's a traditional sport, and I think we will all
agree that where the NFL came from, the owners that
created the franchises and had built this game into what
it is now the bohemoth of a game in the
United States and going global continue to grow globally, there's
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still a very traditional way of how the game is
approached and how the people making decisions, how they may
see things. But I'm just curious to you guys. You know,
I would pose this question for the conversation, is it
was this the right Was this the right take? By
Ryan Clark? Because I feel like, for what it's worth,
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is it still a thing?
Speaker 7 (06:58):
Is it is?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Is being a black quarterback? Is that still a thing?
When when we look at how we're measuring a prospect
when he's coming out, is a confident self confident confident,
uh maybe considered to be brash and how they which
I don't know how he would be brash in this scenario,
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but in some cases we've had quarterback prospects coming out
that were labeled brash and how they do things. Is
this reserve towards as Ryan Clark may be alluded to.
Is this connected to the black quarterback or is this
just the position is always it's the most uh praised,
it's the it's the most lauded position, the most considered,
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the most important position in all of the sport. What's
your guys take on it? Do you tend to fall
on the side of what Ryan Clark is saying or
is there another way of looking at this? After you plex, well, man, unfortunate,
I think for your door with everything you know that
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has you know, transpired from him over the last you know,
ninety days, because we're no longer talking about the great
young quarterback that played at Colorado and that and and
that played at Jackson State.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
We're talking about everything else outside him playing football. And
you know, that's the thing that upsets me because now
we're talking about, you know, the the kid that had
the Rose Royce and college we're talking about the young
man that took the podium at the combine with his
hat on back as we're talking about the three diamond
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necklaces that we had on. We're talking about the rhetoric
in which he you know, he speaks for himself. We're
talking about the you know, the bravalla in which he
carries himself, and it's just painting a bad picture for him.
I think, for for for your door right now, the
best thing for him is just to get onto a
football field and show everybody that he and play the
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game of football. And it's not the fact that he's
a he's a he's a good, great young player. It's
the fact that he's telling everybody how good he is.
And and people don't like that. When when you are
outside of the norm and outside of what is being
traditional and you start pushing the envelope in different different
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directions and people haven't seen it, they get uncomfortable with it.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
You know, it's unconventional. Uh, it's not the norm.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
And and for for for shrdor moving forward, his rietically
is not going to change of who he is as
as as a player, as a person, and I think
people are going to have to adjust to that because
he's not going to change. And I just hope for
him when he takes a football field everything that he's saying,
that we can put all these things to the side
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and and really just you know, judge this young man
off of what he is able to do on the
football field. And and now we're talking about everything outside
of football.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Does that have to do with his color? Does that
have to do with his race? Is it because he's
a he's a black quarterback going into the league, or
is this a person? Is this an individualized thing or
is this I don't think it has anything to do
with him being black at all.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
You know, two months ago, he was arguably the best
quarterback in the draft.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
Now they're just saying, they're saying things like he's not
even the first round anymore, based off of what m HM,
based off.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Of what we're not talking about his football talent.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
We're talking about it's about him being black and everything
that he has done in these in these meetings with
these teams being unprofessional, being arrogant, and things of that nature. Well,
my stunt, I tell my son every day you step
on the football, for you, whether you no matter who
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you're playing against. You're the best player on the football
field today, and don't think anything else about yourself when
you play this game.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Uh, all right, here's what we're gonna do. Because I
think there's there's a lot to unload on this. Let's
take a quick break.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Now, I'm gonna forget everything that I was gonna say.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
You hold on to it.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
You don't forget.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Hold on to it, because we're gonna take a break,
and on the other side of the break, we're gonna
continue the conversation. The conversation is about what Ryan Clark
offered up on his thoughts about Shador Sanders and the
criticisms that have been coming his way. It's an interesting
conversation because there's so many different backgrounds, people have so
many different beliefs and obviously foundational components to how you
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of break, we're gonna hear TJ's thoughts and we'll have
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a conversation about it, a little back and forth about Yeah,
Shador Sanders, Ryan Clark's thoughts.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
On it is it? Just?
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Is it not?
Speaker 3 (13:08):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
We're gonna put in perspective. This is up on game
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reset it. Is Shador Sanders being identified as a problem
or being overly criticized based upon the color of his skin.
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That was the conversation that we were having. Let's reset it.
Let's listen to what Ryan Clark were basing. You know,
the conversation points off of an opinion that Ryan Clark
had as it applied to how Shador Sanders is being
viewed coming out of comby Week. Here's what he had
to say.
Speaker 7 (14:33):
But we all know that they plant these certain reports
or they say these certain things.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
And you do hear the word arrogant?
Speaker 7 (14:39):
Why is he arrogant? Because he won't walk into the
meeting and bend the knee or he won't sit in
the meeting and question himself or his abilities, or his
knowledge and experience in the game. I don't believe that
that's arrogance. I want a quarterback that self for sure.
I want a quarterback that could cut the film on
and when you ask him a question about why did
you make this mistake or why did you make this
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throw or why was the right read? I want him
to be able to regurgitate that to me like he's
into play at the moment, the same way a coach
or an office coordinator would.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Because that's what he's going to have to do.
Speaker 7 (15:10):
And I've had conversations with Schaduah Sanders and he can
do that. We all know that it's not just about
him being Dion sanders Son. It's about the bravado he carries.
It's about the fact that he looks a certain way.
It is about the fact that the color of his
skin sometimes at that position can be questioned.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
And he did say sometimes the color of his skin.
I don't know that he made his whole discussion point
based around him being a black quarterback, but nonetheless it's
been interpreted that way, it's been absorbed that way, and
There's been a lot of opinions that have come out
based upon what Ryan Clark's comments were, TJ. I wanted
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to leave you time to jump into it the way
you want to jump into it. What's your take on it?
Speaker 5 (15:57):
So for me and I've been, I guess fortunate enough
to be around quite a few number one draft picks
at quarterback. I was around Joe Burrow, I was around
Trevor Lawrence, CAYLEB Williams, Bryce Young, CJ. Jy Daniels, McCarthy, Pinnock,
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so forth, and so on right in however many years.
And I'll say this, when we were playing, everything Ryan
was saying would be one hundred percent correct. There weren't
many black quarterbacks when we were playing. And if you
were a black quarterback, all they questioned were you weren't
smart enough to play the position. You couldn't process fast
enough like the white guys. That's a fact. It was unsaid,
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but that was a fact. I don't believe that's the
case anymore. I don't believe that's the case anymore. There's
so many black quarterbacks that have come in and played
extremely well that I don't believe the race has anything
to do with it. I believe Deon Sanders being his
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dad has something to do with it.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
That's what it is.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
It's prime being as you want your quarterback to be
self assured. I want every player on my team to
be self assured. I want every player on my team
to walk in with confidence. I want every player on
my team to be able to tell me why we
running this play because we expect this coverage when they're
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in this coverage or this front. We want to run
this gap scheme when they're in this coverage, we want
to run this concept. I want every player on my
team to be able to regurgitate that, because if that's
the case, I have a smart team. Deon being his father,
you think he gonna walk in there with his head
down or he gonna walk in there with his chin up.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
This boy been living with his father his entire life.
He wake up confident, he go to bed confident.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
Everything he do, he's believing in himself because because he
was bred that way. Now, some of these coaches they smut,
they put dirt on these kids names because they really
like them. But then you still have some of these
coaches that are old school to think back when we
played he can't process. He's not smart, he's cocky. And
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so there's still some of those coaches all of us.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
They say that about all of us. But you and
I both know we got stories about how I even
like for me personally, that was brought my way.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
We talked about that. We've talked about it. And this
is the thing though.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
When the kid walks around with no confidence, the coach
hates it, but when you walk around with too much confidence,
they hate it. I can't help that my confidence brings
out the insecurity in you. I can't control that that
the way that I carry myself brings out the insecurity
in you because I believe in myself to the fullest.
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And so the only way he can shut this up
is when he gets drafted. You go out there here
and play well, You go out there. They're a show
that you're a leader. You go out there and show
that your confidence. It shouldn't offend you. It's part of
why he is who he is. And you've got to
understand this is all coming because his last name is
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Sanders and his father's first name is Dion.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah, I think the uncomfortable feelings about Dion Sanders and
how he's done things. I mean, it's always been very
well documented from the way he got drafted, you know,
and the things that Dion has had to say his
approach to the games. It's funny because he's one of
the most popular, if not most recognizable, popular football players,
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maybe even athletes of all time. And he's celebrated and
he's he's also very very hated for how he does things.
People who call their shot before they do it and
then they go do it, you know, you get both
sides of the coin on how people view you. And
Deon Sanders has always been able to represent himself in
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a way where he definitely push pushes the envelope of
how you view him, but he also delivers you something
that is undeniable and what it is that he brings
to the table. Now, Shador Sanders in the same situation,
and people will find all kinds of different ways to
maybe disparage what it is that Shador Sanders does that
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they don't like. But when I look at this, this
situation and how it played out, for one, everybody gets scrutinized,
everybody gets criticisms. This is where the media, this is
where the storylines are created about how organizations possibly feel
about these prospects. We've seen it as long as the
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game has been around. I'd say the only person I
didn't see fall victim to the amount of intense scrutiny,
like intense intense scrutiny for the position was probably RG three.
I remember when we were covering him leading up to
the draft, when I was doing local radio in Washington.
You did not see one report come out on RG
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three where there was a criticism towards him as to
what it would be in him translating into the pro.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Game, and that could it be because he won the Hesman.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
It was the same draft that Andrew luck was in.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Keep that kid, but but RG three was a Heisman
Trophy winner.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
He did, he did win the Heisman. But I think many,
like all the Heisman quarterbacks that have come out in
and the draft, have been criticized. There have been things
that have been said about them in terms of whatever
their development is, something that may have taken place off
the field. I mean, you can you can look at
every they're going to look at every single day. There's
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going to be some criticism of life. But will there
be criticism that we believe is because he is a
black quarterback. RG three didn't have that. Could it be
because he was a Heisman Trophy winner? Cayler Williams didn't
have that. Could it be because he was a Heisman
Trophy winner? I mean, they're just different layers. Caleb Williams.
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Caleb Williams came under intense scrutiny, an intense scrutiny and
from the fingernail polish to the way I mean, I
was even a part of that group of people that
were like, does that translate to the pro pro level?
Speaker 5 (22:27):
But he came under scrutiny. But did he come under
scrutiny because he was a black quarterback? That's I don't point.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
And I think the point of what I'm saying is
I don't think it mattered. I don't think it matters.
I think it's more you can't make these judgments in
a vacuum. Right Like, if you think about it, the
two quarterbacks in the Super Bowl this year were what
they were, black quarterbacks, So and the quarterback that won
the Super Bowl the year before black quarterback in the
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year before black quarterback. In fact, the best quarterback in
the league right now, hands down, bodies apart from the
rest of the quarterback group is a black quarterback.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
So I don't I agree with that, But go ahead,
why is that?
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Why is that who's better than Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I just think Joe Burrow and Josh Shatland they right there.
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I don't, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
You give me any of those quarterbacks, any of those
three that I named, and I'm throwing Lamar in there. Now,
those four, those are the four best quarterbacks in the league.
And I don't think one is head and shoulders better
than the other. That's just my opinion.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Well, I'll say this to that point, because I mean,
Burrow's numbers were fire. Theyre one hundred percent fire, and
you can't dispute what his body of work is. As
far as Josh Allen, I think Josh Allen is a
fine quarterback and continues to improve, and he's playing playing
great football. Lamar Jackson same thing, and he's won the
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MVP and it's it's proven that he's been a valuable
player to his team. But best quarterback, I'm I'm I'm
all the way talking Patrick Mahomes. I'm not deviating from that.
I'm putting ten toes down on that, And I'm saying
you can't go against the grain on that. That man
is winning championships no matter what, and and and and
even if that is the discussion point, if you look
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at Joe Burrow, Joe Burrow is the same dude that
Shador Sanders is. So if you're going to have scrutiny
about fashion, about chains and and how you then they
rob his crib and take take a whole bunch of
his stuff. Dude is a swagged out as it gets
his approach to what he.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Did, as it gets crazy confident.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
His bravado is very, very high.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
It's very high.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
So I don't look at it and I say in
a in a vacuum or and this as it applies
to all this race of player, this is how I'm
looking at what they're doing. Because we haven't heard anything
about cam Ward. Cam Ward is supposed to be the
number one, number two prospect quarter fact. Okay, so so
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is that good or is that bad?
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Is that good?
Speaker 6 (25:10):
Or is this nothing to report on cam Ward except
for the way that he has played the quarterback?
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Was this at the at the University of Miami.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
So there's no anything about cam Wood. So there's nothing
to talk about. So the media cannot scrutinize cam Ward
because he said nothing. Some people would say that that's
a good thing. It's better to be seen not heard.
But for me, I don't look at that as a
right or a wrong. If you're saying what you feel,
and that's you're saying it to the media, and that's
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what you're putting out there for consumption, and that's how
you've always been, that's not the wrong way to approach
what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
I know that.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
But but what I'm saying is is the coverage of
it says that picking sides here and then picking aside
as to whether you like a player who decides to
market and promote themselves in the way that Shador Sanders
is is somehow, some way now being equated to the
color of his skin. If he was what so we're
saying if he was a white quarterback. I'm gonna say
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it because this is what people are probably thinking. Are
we saying if because he was a white quarterback and
he exercised those same traits and handled his interviews and
said the same things that Shador Sanders is saying, that
now all of a sudden it isn't you.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Know, what is it? What is it?
Speaker 2 (26:32):
What is it viewed as? Because you're not a black quarterback?
So if you're if you're exercising the same bravado that
Shador Sanders has coming into this. I mean, wasn't Johnny
Manziel bravado? Isn't that as bravado as it gets? And
he and he took on intense scrutiny leading up to
his draft. I just wonder is this should this be
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considered a black thing? Is this something that just comes
with black athletes?
Speaker 5 (27:00):
I feel like that's what it's black athletes with the
last name Sanders bro It's that simple, because what think
about this? Whatever team should or gets drafted to. You
know that coach is on pens and needles, hoping that
Prime doesn't criticize him, that Prime doesn't come for his job.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
He on pens and needles. That that plays a part
into it.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
Now that Dion is a coach and he's done extremely
well at Colorado and Jackson State, they nervous about that.
I would only go coach in the league if I
can coach my son. Who wants that on their team?
When you're not when you're not secure, if you're picking
hig in the draft, you're not securing your job, and
so they don't want that element in the background. Man,
(27:50):
you think they're gonna hire Dion, They don't want that.
They're trying to it's survival of the fitness. We're trying
to take care of ourselves and be self sufficient to
where Man, I can't have Dion criticizing the way we're
utilizing his son. I can't have him criticizing the way
our system is offensively that play because he has.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Such a huge voice un covering something deeper. Now, now
we're getting to the to the this is this has
to be what it is, right, I mean, if you
think about Aaron Rodgers, what did Aaron Rodgers do? Aaron
Rodgers is probably the reason why Mike McCarthy lost his
job in Green Bay, Right. Aaron Rodgers is one hundred
percent the reason why my god just lost it lost
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it in New York.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
So if you have not now to me, this is
where it makes sense. If I have somebody who's coming
in with the type of pool and the type of
range and influence that Doris Sanders has, not to mention
it goes well over the top, and that that snowball
effect could be something serious if Dion gets involved. If
(28:59):
I don't have the type of career that I need
to be having, It's not going to be on Shador Sanders.
It's going to be on that coach, it's going to
be on that GM, it's going to be on that organization.
And how are you going to go against that reach
and that influence of what the Sanders family holds within
this industry, within this culture. How are you going to
(29:20):
be able to stand up to that?
Speaker 6 (29:22):
That?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
To me, that has to be what the real issue
here is. It's not to me, it's not a color thing.
It's a power thing. If I can't control this kid
when he comes in, If what you're saying, my undertones
that I read from this is that it's a control thing.
The reason why his bravado bothers you, or the reason
why you're not as high on him or may want
(29:43):
to make it so that you can pass up on
him and not get judged for it, would one hundred
percent be based upon the idea that you can't control
the narrative if it doesn't go the way that you
want it to go, and that could cost you your
job as a scout, It cost you your job as
a GM, It could cost you your jobs as a
(30:04):
head coach. To me, that's what I find to be
the real issue here. Let's talk about what that looks
like versus just making it about well, he's a black
quarterback that has has a belief in himself and this
is how he approaches it and.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
We don't like it.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I don't think that that's just.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
So many layers to all of this with him, you know,
you know, going into the draft, you know, I would
have to assume that this man has a very iq
playing the quarterback position, being that his dad is basically
a defensive minded coach and understanding coverages and knowing what
the ball is going having your door sitting in a
(30:45):
meeting with with the offensive coordinator in the NFL and
and him and shr Door saying, well, I was always
taught that the ball is supposed to go here in
this coverage, you know, things of that nature.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
And now what it's going to be the.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
Scouting process for NFL teams moving forward with players coming
from Colorado? Is that affected now? If he does not
go in and play well, or you go out and
have a good rookie season, how does that affect Dion
moving forward, you know, with players coming out of his
program going to the next level, so that there's so
(31:26):
many different layers to this whole thing. I agree with
TJ some of the things that Ryan said. He was
speaking from our era of football. I totally agree with
that and what he was saying. So the best thing
for this young man right now, man is just to
get on the football field and just see if he
can play the position.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
We're going to talk to Marcus Lawrence Michael Parson in
a few moments, but first let's get an update from
our guy, Isaac going Kron. What you got iload?
Speaker 8 (31:55):
Hey, you guys are on your game today, Keep it going.
Bell Nine time Pro Bowl fullback Kyle Yueschek resigning with
the San Francisco forty nine Ers two years, eight million dollars.
They'd released uscheck this past Tuesday after eight seasons. The
Los Angeles Chargers have signed former Philadelphia Eagles offensive guarden
Mackaive Beckton to a.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Two year, twenty million dollar deal.
Speaker 8 (32:17):
Really good signing for them. The Washington Commanders resigning defensive
end Cleveland Ferrel to a one year contract. College hoops
multiple outlets report Villanova has fired head coach Kyle Neptune
after three seasons. Right now, in the America East Conference
Tournament championship game, Bryant is up sixty one to forty
eight over Maine with five minutes and eighteen seconds left
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to play in the second half. In the semi finals
of the Ivy League Tournament, Yale holding on to a
fifty five fifty four lead over Princeton with one forty
five left to play in the second half. If the
game incidentally ends at a tie after regulation, they break
the tie not by overtime, but with a biology quiz.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Back to you, now, I'm just kidding back to you, guys.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Hi Lo.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
We're gonna take a quick break. On the other side
of the break, DeMarcus Lawrence versus Michael Parsons. We'll talk
about it. This is up on game Fox Sports Radio.
We'll be right back, all right, Welcome back into the
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(33:22):
to some round ball and we'll get to some other
things as well. Button incident, y'all heard about it. We're
gonna talk about it before we get to the end
of this this hour Fellas DeMarcus Lawrence Michael Parsons, they
had a deal take place. I'm interested in a real
quick opinion from y'all on this. Here's what DeMarcus Lawrence
had to say before departing Dallas to go play for
the Seattle Seahawks. Change the scenery is always good, you know.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
But Dallas is my home made my home there, you know,
my family lives there forever going to be there.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
But I know for sure I'm not gonna win a
Super Bowl there, all right?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
That could be considered shade. Here's what Michael Parsons had
to say in response to what you got bo.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Michael Parson tweeted in response, he quotes you with the
video said this is what projection and envy look like
this some clown s with a clown emoji, to which
DeMarcus Lawrence replied, calling me a clown won't change the
fact that I told the truth. Maybe if you spent
less time tweeting and more time winning, I wouldn't have left.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I feel like this was like de Marcus Lawrence, Like
was he dating Michael Parsons, Like that's something you would
say to to your your your girlfriend or your spouse
or your your partner. That's kind of soft to me. No,
I'm not, but I'm just saying that's something that you
would say, you know what I mean, Like if you,
if you was a better man to me, I wouldn't
have left you. Like that's one person on a team.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
You know what he's saying, basically this to me. If
you recall, I think it was last year Malee Cooker
said something about Micah doing the podcast. Yeah, the older
players on that team when Micah came in, he rubbed
some of them the wrong way, and they could do
(34:58):
nothing about it because he was such a good player
that they had no choice but to put up with it.
And now that he's not there, the Marcus Lawrence, he's
saying how he felt at the time. You got to
say that when you're on the team with him, you
got to express those views and those feelings when you're
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on the team would him that that to me was
an underlying issue when they were playing together and the
guys on the team quote unquote tolerated because Mike is
such a good player, even though he's very young, Like,
you just don't say that when you lead a team
and not had those feelings while you're on the team.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
But his stat line is too good, it's too good.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Man, Why would like Michael Marcus? Lawrence? Lawrence should have
said that to him?
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Marcus played what four games? Five games last year? About
his seventh in defense?
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Like Saxon and.
Speaker 6 (35:57):
League, What are you like? What's he's not gonna say that?
Why he's a member of this football team and why
but why.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Say at all? You did nothing to help the team
win last year?
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Salty?
Speaker 6 (36:08):
He's SALTYA he wanted to stay in Dallas. He's been
there for eleven seasons. Thought he was going to be
the man. Yeah, and they did not want to resign him.
So he's salty and he and he said those things
on his way out the door, or maybe already in
Seattle when he when he made those comments.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
But I have to disagree with the Lawrence again.
Speaker 6 (36:32):
Dallas, the Dallas Cowboys are closer to winning a Super
Bowl than.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
The Seattle Sea One.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
You're not going to win a Super Bowl in Seattle.
You're probably right boys ain't. No, probably ain't.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
They are closer than the Seattle Sea and you are
correct to Plexico. So are you sure that sounds super
clownish to say that, I'm not going to win to Baltimore. Yere,
so I'm getting up out of here to go to Seattle.
Speaker 9 (37:02):
Man, they just brought in Cooper com I mean, come on,
that's broad.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
It is.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
It is if super Fly they made her about it, Superfly,
they chose me. We can have what they were.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
We can get on some.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Gangster stuff, you know what I mean, Like Superfly told
us about this man, the Marcus. That is a classic on.
But her comment to go out the door to ar
Man absolutely, come.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
On, if that's LeVar, If they boys, When the Marcus
Lawrence makes that comment, Michael Parsons just laughs it off.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
If they were boys, if.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
They boys, But if you knew that was if you know.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
There's something comment off, you laugh that comment off.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
But you know, maybe that was a direct shot. But
they do know enough.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
You're not gonna say what mya said. If you guys
are boys.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
You're not gonna tweet what Michah tweeted unless you already
knew he was on some clown s. That's what I say.
He was already the Marcus was already on some delays.
Speaker 5 (38:13):
Guys in the same y'all, y'all in the same meetings
every day, y'all the same meeting room every day.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
And you got no pool and you're and you're a
ghost because you nothing. We've been hurt, we've been hurt before,
we've been hurt before. You become our ghost.
Speaker 5 (38:30):
Marcus Lawrence can say that. What I'm saying is if
him and Michaeh Parsons were cool, Michaeh Parsons response would
have been different, or if you.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Thought y'all were cool, maybe he thought maybe make Micah thought.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Didn't He didn't say anything about Michaeh. He didn't say anything.
He just said something about the team, like and that's
when tells me all I need to know them boys.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
They already had that conversation.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
They not cool, They were cordial. They're teammates, but they
ain't hanging out. They not going to eat, they not
taking trips together, they not doing anything together out they
work together.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
That's what that says.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
That but you just called us some losers on your
way out, like you called us some losers on your
way out, and you imagine if you have a feeling,
if there has been personal kind of conflict between the
two of them, of course you're gonna like he responded
to it.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
He called you a loser on the way out, but
he was a part of the losing, So he's basically
was talking about himself as well.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
So how do you make that about saying if you
weren't tweeting so much, maybe I'd be still be here.
Speaker 6 (39:37):
Like what I told you, man, what you've already told you, man,
he wanted to remain in Dallascus. They just want to
give him, obviously the money that he was asking for.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
And they're gonna give it all.
Speaker 6 (39:53):
My a. It's a part of the business. It's it's
somebody else just got resigned. What's the other the defensive
line that you got signed dig Zua?
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Right, yeah, right, yeah, they signed the dude. It's making plays,
you know, It's all I'll say. It's a part of
the business. And that's funny. Like you said, TJ, this
is number two, somebody taking a shot that's on that
defensive side of the ball. Hey, I'll say this, I
never heard of a podcast making you a worse player,
(40:24):
And if.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
It did, then you know what.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Stopping past. But the dude is balling. But he's balling, man,
so you say what you want. But hey, this is
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and we're talking a lot. You know, JaMarcus and Micah,
the Marcus Lawrence and Michael Parsons now former teammates. They
had an interesting exchange. We'll talk about that. Cooper Cup
finds a home. We'll talk about that as well. But
before we get to this first topic, which is a doozy,
but we're going to tackle it because hey, we're gonna
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put you on some game.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
You know, I always check on y'all. Man, how y'all
feeling mat everything going?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Man, LeVar.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
You know, we planning the same time zone, same area,
close to each other, right, So plex Man, the last
three days it's been awful rain.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yeah man, it's just been raining.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Like like we was living where you at.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, man, just wind and that's what we're doing a
day long. Right.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
So then I wake up this morning, I opened the
blinds up, and I say, trees today.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
We got a little different deal today.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
I guess my nature said, we're gonna bless you for
the weekend.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
Baby, here we go. Just like y'all say, may y'all
pay a lot of money for that weather.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I want to refund it every single time it's bad out,
like it's been the last three days.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
So what would be the daily ref So what would
be the daily refund for every day that it rains
and nothing?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Well, just like how they have that that yearly you know,
percentage they based on how much you make, I mean
nations based on how much you make. You know, if
you're paying, you paying, you know, so they that percentage.
Gotta build gotta build them roads, you know me fellas
(03:07):
speaking of building roads, you know, when you're a prospect
and you want to build up to being a top
draft pick. In the draft, you go through the process
of playing on the field, handling your business off of it,
and you hope that you've done well enough that when
you get to the point of where you're leaving college,
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you're going to have the opportunity to be seen for
the talent.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
That you are.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
And you do your interviews, your job interviews, and then
you get drafted and your dream of becoming a pro
now is solidified. And that's what most of us, much
of us who enter into sports and athletics, if that's
the type of ending that's connected to your sport, that's
what you're working towards. One of the things that takes
(03:53):
place during the process of getting evaluated and doing your
job interviews, sometimes scrutiny becomes a part of and and
and very very intense analysis on these prospects that are
coming out going into the draft. It becomes a thing.
Now this week, uh, this past week, we we had
(04:18):
a very interesting, uh kind of exchange, maybe not in exchange,
but maybe a take on a guy that we all know,
Ryan Clark. He's made media, he's made the headlines, He's
gone viral for a take he had on Shador Sanders
going into this draft. Now, I wanted to get you guys.
(04:39):
You know, we we've done some shows. You know, we've
done shows with Jason Whitlock and other people, and it's
called you know, speak for yourself and stuff like that,
because you're speaking your truth, you're tackling tough conversations, and
we do it without any type of trepidation or shame
(04:59):
or any thing like that. We just do our jobs
and put people up on game on what it really is.
I want to get y'all's opinion on what Ryan Clark
had to say about Shador Sanders and what the representation
of who he is how that may be affecting and
hitting people. I want y'all listen to what he had
to say and then let's have a conversation about gohad
run it.
Speaker 7 (05:19):
But we all know that they plant these certain reports
or they say these certain things, and you do hear
the word arrogant?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Why is he arrogant? Because he won't walk.
Speaker 7 (05:28):
Into the meeting and bend the knee, or he won't
sit in the meeting and question himself or his abilities,
or his knowledge and experience in the game. I don't
believe that that's arrogance. I want a quarterback that self assured.
I want a quarterback that could cut the film on
it when you ask him a question about why did
you make this mistake or why did you make this
throw or why was this the right read? I want
(05:48):
him to be able to regurgitate that to me like
he's in the play at the moment, the same way
a coach or an office coordinator would.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Because that's what he's going to have to do.
Speaker 7 (05:57):
And I've had conversations with Shadua Sanders and he can
do that. We all know that it's not just about
him being Dion sanders Son. It's about the bravado he carries.
It's about the fact that he looks a certain way.
It is about the fact that the color of his
skin sometimes at that position can be questioned.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
It's a traditional sport, and I think we will all
agree that where the NFL came from, the owners that
created the franchises and had built this game into what
it is now the bohemoth of a game in the
United States and going global continue to grow globally, there's
(06:36):
still a very traditional way of how the game is
approached and how the people making decisions, how they may
see things. But I'm just curious to you guys. You know,
I would pose this question for the conversation, is it
was this the right Was this the right take? By
Ryan Clark? Because I feel like, for what it's worth,
(06:57):
is it still a thing?
Speaker 7 (06:58):
Is it is?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Is being a black quarterback? Is that still a thing?
When when we look at how we're measuring a prospect
when he's coming out, is a confident self confident confident,
uh maybe considered to be brash and how they which
I don't know how he would be brash in this scenario,
(07:19):
but in some cases we've had quarterback prospects coming out
that were labeled brash and how they do things. Is
this reserve towards as Ryan Clark may be alluded to.
Is this connected to the black quarterback or is this
just the position is always it's the most uh praised,
it's the it's the most lauded position, the most considered,
(07:42):
the most important position in all of the sport. What's
your guys take on it? Do you tend to fall
on the side of what Ryan Clark is saying or
is there another way of looking at this? After you plex, well, man, unfortunate,
I think for your door with everything you know that
(08:03):
has you know, transpired from him over the last you know,
ninety days, because we're no longer talking about the great
young quarterback that played at Colorado and that and and
that played at Jackson State.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
We're talking about everything else outside him playing football. And
you know, that's the thing that upsets me because now
we're talking about, you know, the the kid that had
the Rose Royce and college we're talking about the young
man that took the podium at the combine with his
hat on back as we're talking about the three diamond
(08:38):
necklaces that we had on. We're talking about the rhetoric
in which he you know, he speaks for himself. We're
talking about the you know, the bravalla in which he
carries himself, and it's just painting a bad picture for him.
I think, for for for your door right now, the
best thing for him is just to get onto a
football field and show everybody that he and play the
(09:00):
game of football. And it's not the fact that he's
a he's a he's a good, great young player. It's
the fact that he's telling everybody how good he is.
And and people don't like that. When when you are
outside of the norm and outside of what is being
traditional and you start pushing the envelope in different different
(09:21):
directions and people haven't seen it, they get uncomfortable with it.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
You know, it's unconventional. Uh, it's not the norm.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
And and for for for shrdor moving forward, his rietically
is not going to change of who he is as
as as a player, as a person, and I think
people are going to have to adjust to that because
he's not going to change. And I just hope for
him when he takes a football field everything that he's saying,
that we can put all these things to the side
(09:50):
and and really just you know, judge this young man
off of what he is able to do on the
football field. And and now we're talking about everything outside
of football.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Does that have to do with his color? Does that
have to do with his race? Is it because he's
a he's a black quarterback going into the league, or
is this a person? Is this an individualized thing or
is this I don't think it has anything to do
with him being black at all.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
You know, two months ago, he was arguably the best
quarterback in the draft.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
Now they're just saying, they're saying things like he's not
even the first round anymore, based off of what m HM,
based off.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Of what we're not talking about his football talent.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
We're talking about it's about him being black and everything
that he has done in these in these meetings with
these teams being unprofessional, being arrogant, and things of that nature. Well,
my stunt, I tell my son every day you step
on the football, for you, whether you no matter who
(11:03):
you're playing against. You're the best player on the football
field today, and don't think anything else about yourself when
you play this game.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Uh, all right, here's what we're gonna do. Because I
think there's there's a lot to unload on this. Let's
take a quick break.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Now, I'm gonna forget everything that I was gonna say.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
You hold on to it.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
You don't forget.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Hold on to it, because we're gonna take a break,
and on the other side of the break, we're gonna
continue the conversation. The conversation is about what Ryan Clark
offered up on his thoughts about Shador Sanders and the
criticisms that have been coming his way. It's an interesting
conversation because there's so many different backgrounds, people have so
many different beliefs and obviously foundational components to how you
(11:52):
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of break, we're gonna hear TJ's thoughts and we'll have
(13:00):
a conversation about it, a little back and forth about Yeah,
Shador Sanders, Ryan Clark's thoughts.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
On it is it? Just?
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Is it not?
Speaker 3 (13:08):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
We're gonna put in perspective. This is up on game
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reset it. Is Shador Sanders being identified as a problem
or being overly criticized based upon the color of his skin.
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That was the conversation that we were having. Let's reset it.
Let's listen to what Ryan Clark were basing. You know,
the conversation points off of an opinion that Ryan Clark
had as it applied to how Shador Sanders is being
viewed coming out of comby Week. Here's what he had
to say.
Speaker 7 (14:33):
But we all know that they plant these certain reports
or they say these certain things.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
And you do hear the word arrogant?
Speaker 7 (14:39):
Why is he arrogant? Because he won't walk into the
meeting and bend the knee or he won't sit in
the meeting and question himself or his abilities, or his
knowledge and experience in the game. I don't believe that
that's arrogance. I want a quarterback that self for sure.
I want a quarterback that could cut the film on
and when you ask him a question about why did
you make this mistake or why did you make this
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throw or why was the right read? I want him
to be able to regurgitate that to me like he's
into play at the moment, the same way a coach
or an office coordinator would.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Because that's what he's going to have to do.
Speaker 7 (15:10):
And I've had conversations with Schaduah Sanders and he can
do that. We all know that it's not just about
him being Dion sanders Son. It's about the bravado he carries.
It's about the fact that he looks a certain way.
It is about the fact that the color of his
skin sometimes at that position can be questioned.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
And he did say sometimes the color of his skin.
I don't know that he made his whole discussion point
based around him being a black quarterback, but nonetheless it's
been interpreted that way, it's been absorbed that way, and
There's been a lot of opinions that have come out
based upon what Ryan Clark's comments were, TJ. I wanted
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to leave you time to jump into it the way
you want to jump into it. What's your take on it?
Speaker 5 (15:57):
So for me and I've been, I guess fortunate enough
to be around quite a few number one draft picks
at quarterback. I was around Joe Burrow, I was around
Trevor Lawrence, CAYLEB Williams, Bryce Young, CJ. Jy Daniels, McCarthy, Pinnock,
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so forth, and so on right in however many years.
And I'll say this, when we were playing, everything Ryan
was saying would be one hundred percent correct. There weren't
many black quarterbacks when we were playing. And if you
were a black quarterback, all they questioned were you weren't
smart enough to play the position. You couldn't process fast
enough like the white guys. That's a fact. It was unsaid,
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but that was a fact. I don't believe that's the
case anymore. I don't believe that's the case anymore. There's
so many black quarterbacks that have come in and played
extremely well that I don't believe the race has anything
to do with it. I believe Deon Sanders being his
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dad has something to do with it.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
That's what it is.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
It's prime being as you want your quarterback to be
self assured. I want every player on my team to
be self assured. I want every player on my team
to walk in with confidence. I want every player on
my team to be able to tell me why we
running this play because we expect this coverage when they're
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in this coverage or this front. We want to run
this gap scheme when they're in this coverage, we want
to run this concept. I want every player on my
team to be able to regurgitate that, because if that's
the case, I have a smart team. Deon being his father,
you think he gonna walk in there with his head
down or he gonna walk in there with his chin up.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
This boy been living with his father his entire life.
He wake up confident, he go to bed confident.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
Everything he do, he's believing in himself because because he
was bred that way. Now, some of these coaches they smut,
they put dirt on these kids names because they really
like them. But then you still have some of these
coaches that are old school to think back when we
played he can't process. He's not smart, he's cocky. And
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so there's still some of those coaches all of us.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
They say that about all of us. But you and
I both know we got stories about how I even
like for me personally, that was brought my way.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
We talked about that. We've talked about it. And this
is the thing though.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
When the kid walks around with no confidence, the coach
hates it, but when you walk around with too much confidence,
they hate it. I can't help that my confidence brings
out the insecurity in you. I can't control that that
the way that I carry myself brings out the insecurity
in you because I believe in myself to the fullest.
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And so the only way he can shut this up
is when he gets drafted. You go out there here
and play well, You go out there. They're a show
that you're a leader. You go out there and show
that your confidence. It shouldn't offend you. It's part of
why he is who he is. And you've got to
understand this is all coming because his last name is
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Sanders and his father's first name is Dion.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah, I think the uncomfortable feelings about Dion Sanders and
how he's done things. I mean, it's always been very
well documented from the way he got drafted, you know,
and the things that Dion has had to say his
approach to the games. It's funny because he's one of
the most popular, if not most recognizable, popular football players,
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maybe even athletes of all time. And he's celebrated and
he's he's also very very hated for how he does things.
People who call their shot before they do it and
then they go do it, you know, you get both
sides of the coin on how people view you. And
Deon Sanders has always been able to represent himself in
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a way where he definitely push pushes the envelope of
how you view him, but he also delivers you something
that is undeniable and what it is that he brings
to the table. Now, Shador Sanders in the same situation,
and people will find all kinds of different ways to
maybe disparage what it is that Shador Sanders does that
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they don't like. But when I look at this, this
situation and how it played out, for one, everybody gets scrutinized,
everybody gets criticisms. This is where the media, this is
where the storylines are created about how organizations possibly feel
about these prospects. We've seen it as long as the
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game has been around. I'd say the only person I
didn't see fall victim to the amount of intense scrutiny,
like intense intense scrutiny for the position was probably RG three.
I remember when we were covering him leading up to
the draft, when I was doing local radio in Washington.
You did not see one report come out on RG
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three where there was a criticism towards him as to
what it would be in him translating into the pro.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Game, and that could it be because he won the Hesman.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
It was the same draft that Andrew luck was in.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Keep that kid, but but RG three was a Heisman
Trophy winner.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
He did, he did win the Heisman. But I think many,
like all the Heisman quarterbacks that have come out in
and the draft, have been criticized. There have been things
that have been said about them in terms of whatever
their development is, something that may have taken place off
the field. I mean, you can you can look at
every they're going to look at every single day. There's
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going to be some criticism of life. But will there
be criticism that we believe is because he is a
black quarterback. RG three didn't have that. Could it be
because he was a Heisman Trophy winner? Cayler Williams didn't
have that. Could it be because he was a Heisman
Trophy winner? I mean, they're just different layers. Caleb Williams.
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Caleb Williams came under intense scrutiny, an intense scrutiny and
from the fingernail polish to the way I mean, I
was even a part of that group of people that
were like, does that translate to the pro pro level?
Speaker 5 (22:27):
But he came under scrutiny. But did he come under
scrutiny because he was a black quarterback? That's I don't point.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
And I think the point of what I'm saying is
I don't think it mattered. I don't think it matters.
I think it's more you can't make these judgments in
a vacuum. Right Like, if you think about it, the
two quarterbacks in the Super Bowl this year were what
they were, black quarterbacks, So and the quarterback that won
the Super Bowl the year before black quarterback in the
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year before black quarterback. In fact, the best quarterback in
the league right now, hands down, bodies apart from the
rest of the quarterback group is a black quarterback.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
So I don't I agree with that, But go ahead,
why is that?
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Why is that who's better than Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I just think Joe Burrow and Josh Shatland they right there.
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I don't, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
You give me any of those quarterbacks, any of those
three that I named, and I'm throwing Lamar in there. Now,
those four, those are the four best quarterbacks in the league.
And I don't think one is head and shoulders better
than the other. That's just my opinion.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Well, I'll say this to that point, because I mean,
Burrow's numbers were fire. Theyre one hundred percent fire, and
you can't dispute what his body of work is. As
far as Josh Allen, I think Josh Allen is a
fine quarterback and continues to improve, and he's playing playing
great football. Lamar Jackson same thing, and he's won the
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MVP and it's it's proven that he's been a valuable
player to his team. But best quarterback, I'm I'm I'm
all the way talking Patrick Mahomes. I'm not deviating from that.
I'm putting ten toes down on that, And I'm saying
you can't go against the grain on that. That man
is winning championships no matter what, and and and and
even if that is the discussion point, if you look
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at Joe Burrow, Joe Burrow is the same dude that
Shador Sanders is. So if you're going to have scrutiny
about fashion, about chains and and how you then they
rob his crib and take take a whole bunch of
his stuff. Dude is a swagged out as it gets
his approach to what he.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Did, as it gets crazy confident.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
His bravado is very, very high.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
It's very high.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
So I don't look at it and I say in
a in a vacuum or and this as it applies
to all this race of player, this is how I'm
looking at what they're doing. Because we haven't heard anything
about cam Ward. Cam Ward is supposed to be the
number one, number two prospect quarter fact. Okay, so so
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is that good or is that bad?
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Is that good?
Speaker 6 (25:10):
Or is this nothing to report on cam Ward except
for the way that he has played the quarterback?
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Was this at the at the University of Miami.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
So there's no anything about cam Wood. So there's nothing
to talk about. So the media cannot scrutinize cam Ward
because he said nothing. Some people would say that that's
a good thing. It's better to be seen not heard.
But for me, I don't look at that as a
right or a wrong. If you're saying what you feel,
and that's you're saying it to the media, and that's
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what you're putting out there for consumption, and that's how
you've always been, that's not the wrong way to approach
what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
I know that.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
But but what I'm saying is is the coverage of
it says that picking sides here and then picking aside
as to whether you like a player who decides to
market and promote themselves in the way that Shador Sanders
is is somehow, some way now being equated to the
color of his skin. If he was what so we're
saying if he was a white quarterback. I'm gonna say
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it because this is what people are probably thinking. Are
we saying if because he was a white quarterback and
he exercised those same traits and handled his interviews and
said the same things that Shador Sanders is saying, that
now all of a sudden it isn't you.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Know, what is it? What is it?
Speaker 2 (26:32):
What is it viewed as? Because you're not a black quarterback?
So if you're if you're exercising the same bravado that
Shador Sanders has coming into this. I mean, wasn't Johnny
Manziel bravado? Isn't that as bravado as it gets? And
he and he took on intense scrutiny leading up to
his draft. I just wonder is this should this be
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considered a black thing? Is this something that just comes
with black athletes?
Speaker 5 (27:00):
I feel like that's what it's black athletes with the
last name Sanders bro It's that simple, because what think
about this? Whatever team should or gets drafted to. You
know that coach is on pens and needles, hoping that
Prime doesn't criticize him, that Prime doesn't come for his job.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
He on pens and needles. That that plays a part
into it.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
Now that Dion is a coach and he's done extremely
well at Colorado and Jackson State, they nervous about that.
I would only go coach in the league if I
can coach my son. Who wants that on their team?
When you're not when you're not secure, if you're picking
hig in the draft, you're not securing your job, and
so they don't want that element in the background. Man,
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you think they're gonna hire Dion, They don't want that.
They're trying to it's survival of the fitness. We're trying
to take care of ourselves and be self sufficient to
where Man, I can't have Dion criticizing the way we're
utilizing his son. I can't have him criticizing the way
our system is offensively that play because he has.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Such a huge voice un covering something deeper. Now, now
we're getting to the to the this is this has
to be what it is, right, I mean, if you
think about Aaron Rodgers, what did Aaron Rodgers do? Aaron
Rodgers is probably the reason why Mike McCarthy lost his
job in Green Bay, Right. Aaron Rodgers is one hundred
percent the reason why my god just lost it lost
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it in New York.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
So if you have not now to me, this is
where it makes sense. If I have somebody who's coming
in with the type of pool and the type of
range and influence that Doris Sanders has, not to mention
it goes well over the top, and that that snowball
effect could be something serious if Dion gets involved. If
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I don't have the type of career that I need
to be having, It's not going to be on Shador Sanders.
It's going to be on that coach, it's going to
be on that GM, it's going to be on that organization.
And how are you going to go against that reach
and that influence of what the Sanders family holds within
this industry, within this culture. How are you going to
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be able to stand up to that?
Speaker 6 (29:22):
That?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
To me, that has to be what the real issue
here is. It's not to me, it's not a color thing.
It's a power thing. If I can't control this kid
when he comes in, If what you're saying, my undertones
that I read from this is that it's a control thing.
The reason why his bravado bothers you, or the reason
why you're not as high on him or may want
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to make it so that you can pass up on
him and not get judged for it, would one hundred
percent be based upon the idea that you can't control
the narrative if it doesn't go the way that you
want it to go, and that could cost you your
job as a scout, It cost you your job as
a GM, It could cost you your jobs as a
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head coach. To me, that's what I find to be
the real issue here. Let's talk about what that looks
like versus just making it about well, he's a black
quarterback that has has a belief in himself and this
is how he approaches it and.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
We don't like it.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I don't think that that's just.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
So many layers to all of this with him, you know,
you know, going into the draft, you know, I would
have to assume that this man has a very iq
playing the quarterback position, being that his dad is basically
a defensive minded coach and understanding coverages and knowing what
the ball is going having your door sitting in a
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meeting with with the offensive coordinator in the NFL and
and him and shr Door saying, well, I was always
taught that the ball is supposed to go here in
this coverage, you know, things of that nature.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
And now what it's going to be the.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
Scouting process for NFL teams moving forward with players coming
from Colorado? Is that affected now? If he does not
go in and play well, or you go out and
have a good rookie season, how does that affect Dion
moving forward, you know, with players coming out of his
program going to the next level, so that there's so
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many different layers to this whole thing. I agree with
TJ some of the things that Ryan said. He was
speaking from our era of football. I totally agree with
that and what he was saying. So the best thing
for this young man right now, man is just to
get on the football field and just see if he
can play the position.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
We're going to talk to Marcus Lawrence Michael Parson in
a few moments, but first let's get an update from
our guy, Isaac going Kron. What you got iload?
Speaker 8 (31:55):
Hey, you guys are on your game today, Keep it going.
Bell Nine time Pro Bowl fullback Kyle Yueschek resigning with
the San Francisco forty nine Ers two years, eight million dollars.
They'd released uscheck this past Tuesday after eight seasons. The
Los Angeles Chargers have signed former Philadelphia Eagles offensive guarden
Mackaive Beckton to a.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Two year, twenty million dollar deal.
Speaker 8 (32:17):
Really good signing for them. The Washington Commanders resigning defensive
end Cleveland Ferrel to a one year contract. College hoops
multiple outlets report Villanova has fired head coach Kyle Neptune
after three seasons. Right now, in the America East Conference
Tournament championship game, Bryant is up sixty one to forty
eight over Maine with five minutes and eighteen seconds left
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to play in the second half. In the semi finals
of the Ivy League Tournament, Yale holding on to a
fifty five fifty four lead over Princeton with one forty
five left to play in the second half. If the
game incidentally ends at a tie after regulation, they break
the tie not by overtime, but with a biology quiz.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Back to you, now, I'm just kidding back to you, guys.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Hi Lo.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
We're gonna take a quick break. On the other side
of the break, DeMarcus Lawrence versus Michael Parsons. We'll talk
about it. This is up on game Fox Sports Radio.
We'll be right back, all right, Welcome back into the
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It's TJ. Huschman, Zada's Plexico, burdss LeVar Arrington. Stay tuned
on the other side. Next hour, we will have Cuffs
the Legend making an appearance on the show, we'll talk
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to some round ball and we'll get to some other
things as well. Button incident, y'all heard about it. We're
gonna talk about it before we get to the end
of this this hour Fellas DeMarcus Lawrence Michael Parsons, they
had a deal take place. I'm interested in a real
quick opinion from y'all on this. Here's what DeMarcus Lawrence
had to say before departing Dallas to go play for
the Seattle Seahawks. Change the scenery is always good, you know.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
But Dallas is my home made my home there, you know,
my family lives there forever going to be there.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
But I know for sure I'm not gonna win a
Super Bowl there, all right?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
That could be considered shade. Here's what Michael Parsons had
to say in response to what you got bo.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Michael Parson tweeted in response, he quotes you with the
video said this is what projection and envy look like
this some clown s with a clown emoji, to which
DeMarcus Lawrence replied, calling me a clown won't change the
fact that I told the truth. Maybe if you spent
less time tweeting and more time winning, I wouldn't have left.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I feel like this was like de Marcus Lawrence, Like
was he dating Michael Parsons, Like that's something you would
say to to your your your girlfriend or your spouse
or your your partner. That's kind of soft to me. No,
I'm not, but I'm just saying that's something that you
would say, you know what I mean, Like if you,
if you was a better man to me, I wouldn't
have left you. Like that's one person on a team.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
You know what he's saying, basically this to me. If
you recall, I think it was last year Malee Cooker
said something about Micah doing the podcast. Yeah, the older
players on that team when Micah came in, he rubbed
some of them the wrong way, and they could do
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nothing about it because he was such a good player
that they had no choice but to put up with it.
And now that he's not there, the Marcus Lawrence, he's
saying how he felt at the time. You got to
say that when you're on the team with him, you
got to express those views and those feelings when you're
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on the team would him that that to me was
an underlying issue when they were playing together and the
guys on the team quote unquote tolerated because Mike is
such a good player, even though he's very young, Like,
you just don't say that when you lead a team
and not had those feelings while you're on the team.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
But his stat line is too good, it's too good.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Man, Why would like Michael Marcus? Lawrence? Lawrence should have
said that to him?
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Marcus played what four games? Five games last year? About
his seventh in defense?
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Like Saxon and.
Speaker 6 (35:57):
League, What are you like? What's he's not gonna say that?
Why he's a member of this football team and why
but why.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Say at all? You did nothing to help the team
win last year?
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Salty?
Speaker 6 (36:08):
He's SALTYA he wanted to stay in Dallas. He's been
there for eleven seasons. Thought he was going to be
the man. Yeah, and they did not want to resign him.
So he's salty and he and he said those things
on his way out the door, or maybe already in
Seattle when he when he made those comments.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
But I have to disagree with the Lawrence again.
Speaker 6 (36:32):
Dallas, the Dallas Cowboys are closer to winning a Super
Bowl than.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
The Seattle Sea One.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
You're not going to win a Super Bowl in Seattle.
You're probably right boys ain't. No, probably ain't.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
They are closer than the Seattle Sea and you are
correct to Plexico. So are you sure that sounds super
clownish to say that, I'm not going to win to Baltimore. Yere,
so I'm getting up out of here to go to Seattle.
Speaker 9 (37:02):
Man, they just brought in Cooper com I mean, come on,
that's broad.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
It is.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
It is if super Fly they made her about it, Superfly,
they chose me. We can have what they were.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
We can get on some.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Gangster stuff, you know what I mean, Like Superfly told
us about this man, the Marcus. That is a classic on.
But her comment to go out the door to ar
Man absolutely, come.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
On, if that's LeVar, If they boys, When the Marcus
Lawrence makes that comment, Michael Parsons just laughs it off.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
If they were boys, if.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
They boys, But if you knew that was if you know.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
There's something comment off, you laugh that comment off.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
But you know, maybe that was a direct shot. But
they do know enough.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
You're not gonna say what mya said. If you guys
are boys.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
You're not gonna tweet what Michah tweeted unless you already
knew he was on some clown s. That's what I say.
He was already the Marcus was already on some delays.
Speaker 5 (38:13):
Guys in the same y'all, y'all in the same meetings
every day, y'all the same meeting room every day.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
And you got no pool and you're and you're a
ghost because you nothing. We've been hurt, we've been hurt before,
we've been hurt before. You become our ghost.
Speaker 5 (38:30):
Marcus Lawrence can say that. What I'm saying is if
him and Michaeh Parsons were cool, Michaeh Parsons response would
have been different, or if you.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Thought y'all were cool, maybe he thought maybe make Micah thought.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Didn't He didn't say anything about Michaeh. He didn't say anything.
He just said something about the team, like and that's
when tells me all I need to know them boys.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
They already had that conversation.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
They not cool, They were cordial. They're teammates, but they
ain't hanging out. They not going to eat, they not
taking trips together, they not doing anything together out they
work together.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
That's what that says.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
That but you just called us some losers on your
way out, like you called us some losers on your
way out, and you imagine if you have a feeling,
if there has been personal kind of conflict between the
two of them, of course you're gonna like he responded
to it.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
He called you a loser on the way out, but
he was a part of the losing, So he's basically
was talking about himself as well.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
So how do you make that about saying if you
weren't tweeting so much, maybe I'd be still be here.
Speaker 6 (39:37):
Like what I told you, man, what you've already told you, man,
he wanted to remain in Dallascus. They just want to
give him, obviously the money that he was asking for.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
And they're gonna give it all.
Speaker 6 (39:53):
My a. It's a part of the business. It's it's
somebody else just got resigned. What's the other the defensive
line that you got signed dig Zua?
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Right, yeah, right, yeah, they signed the dude. It's making plays,
you know, It's all I'll say. It's a part of
the business. And that's funny. Like you said, TJ, this
is number two, somebody taking a shot that's on that
defensive side of the ball. Hey, I'll say this, I
never heard of a podcast making you a worse player,
(40:24):
And if.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
It did, then you know what.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Stopping past. But the dude is balling. But he's balling, man,
so you say what you want. But hey, this is
up on Games Fox Sports Radio. All right, we're going
to take a quick break. Comes to the legend on
the other side of that hour two coming at you.
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