February 15, 2025 • 39 mins
LaVar, TJ, and Plax give their thoughts on a Legendary Moment with Marshall Faulk and his role in mentoring Peyton Manning in the NFL, Colorado DB/WR Travis Hunter going to the NFL Combine as a DB, and more!
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this show and let's talk. Let's talk about what we
got going on here, fellas. I want to lead off
with the Travis Hunter. Well, no, you know what we're
going to do. We're going to save Travis Hunter and
we're going to save Cam Newton. And let you know
what we're going to do. Let's talk a little bit
about how old head can impress and help a young
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buck and teach them. Both of you have been in
this situation in scenario before, and this week's guest on
Legendary Moment, we had this very conversation about one Peyton Manning.
This week's legendary moment comes to you, Marshall Folk.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Conversations with a legend and now this is your legendary moment.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I heard the stories about how you, in a lot
of ways were indirectly responsible for the success that Peyton
man was able to have as a can you because
what one thing that people may not realize sometimes is
how cerebral and how intelligent players are outside of the
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quarterback's position. But you were one of those guys that
when people talk about Marshall fault, they talked about your
understanding of what was taking place with the defense, how
the reads looked, how the game worked, and that played
a major part in Peyton Manning's adjustment and adaptation to
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the league.
Speaker 6 (03:32):
Yeah, understanding and listen, Peyton's Peyton's stavant. Sure, but when
you when you have somebody and you can have those conversations,
and Peyton and I we be sitting, you know, it's
like this here in He's like it looks like this,
you know cover what do you think?
Speaker 4 (03:47):
I'm like, you got it?
Speaker 6 (03:48):
Like that's that's it's oh, there's no no, no, hey, the
safety's rotating. Uh, this this will this will probably be
there's probably be three he's gonna drop down. So just
having those conversations and in film study and preparation, he
and I we literally saw the game through the same
lens and that relationship in that Bond year one being
there for him because a lot of times he didn't
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have a lot of time, so you hit the checkdown,
you hit the checkdown, and he was seeing things a
lot faster learning than what I loved about Peyton, and
I had nothing to do with this was that rookie year.
He made a mistake once and he never made it again.
If he made it once, you couldn't get in with it.
And it literally, I mean he turned into what he
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became after I left, because he really, really really dove
into us communicating, making sure we were on the same page,
and that became his thing with everybody. He was a
full on communicator with the center, offensive line, receivers, everybody
knowing what was going on and didn't care if the
defense heard it.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I gotta say it, it's always amazing when you get
to talk to guys that have accomplished at the level
that a Marshall Folk has accomplished. That I get the
opportunity to do a show with two guys that have
done it at as high level as it gets, and
you know what, I know for certain that you guys
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have played that role at certain times in your careers
as well. I mean, either one of you take it.
But can you think of a moment in time where
there was a player in particular that you had one
of these illuminating, you know, relationships with being with them
as a younger, aspiring player and just the things that
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you know, you guys kind of talked about. I can
recall me and Sean Taylor, and not because it's Sean
Taylor because everybody knows him as the famous football player
that was the greatest ever and stuff like that. But
I thought the coolest thing about my relationship with Sean
when he came in was the off the field aspects
of it and talking to him about how being a man,
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that a better man would ultimately make him a better
football player on on the field and what those things
looked like, you know, just simple things in terms of
your daily regiment and how you view yourself as a person.
And we had so many cool like conversations offline. You know,
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he come over to the crib, we hang out, we talk,
and it became one of those things where you know,
I felt really good about the impact that I was
having on him. Chris Clemens is another one that comes
to mind. We talked a lot about what happens on
the football field and our starts. And if you remember
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Chris Clemens, you remember he had that patent four point stands,
and I mean he was a rocket, a missile coming
out of his stance, and I like to believe that
was conversations that he and I had. He asked me
the reason as to why I went into a four
point stance versus just having a conventional three point stand
stance when I go down as a defensive end, and
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there was a lot of reasoning behind it. Me I'm undersized.
I was undersized to be on the line of scrimmage
as a defensive lineman. So I knew coming out of
the stance like a track sprinter, because I ran track,
coming out of the stance a certain type of way.
I was going to try to get my three steps
off that snap as fast as I could, and it
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kept me low so that if I wanted to, if
I got a field enough, I could either dip underneath
the outreached arms of the lineman or it just really
really forced that offensive lineman to have to really kick
and stress him out to get out there to try
to cut me off, and it usually gave me a
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two way go. Those were the type of conversations me
and Chris used to have. How did that play a part?
And play to run? How to play a part? And
playing the past DA, so on and so forth. Who
did you guys run into that? That type of relationship
was the dynamic that you guys had.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
I mean, for me, I've had a relationship with so
many of the younger guys and it didn't matter the
position when whether it's on the field or off the field.
You know, because when you get to a team and
you're the young guy, all you really know are the
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guys that you've seen on TV or the best players
on the team, and so if they don't welcome you.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Then you just kind of, you know, just feel your
way around the team.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
And so I always made it a point, man, when
I became a starter, that all the rookies we would draft,
the free agents, I always introduced myself to them, always
made them feel welcome because it's like a new kid
going to school.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Although we're all grown.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Man, there's a into uneasiness when you walk into a
locker room and you don't know anybody, and so I
would always try to make them feel welcome. But as
far as like mentoring them and trying to be there
for him LaVar I pretty much did that with so
many guys.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
That's why to this day I still.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Talk to him, We still communicate because I was always
trying to be that guy that would help him on
the field and off the field. If if you're out
there with no family, you can come to my house
for Thanksgiving. Trying to give them advice on how to
manage their money. And it was simple advice. Live every
year like you're gonna get cut the next year. So
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if you think you're gonna get cut and on spend
your money. Very simple. What should my budget be? Your
budget should be about this amount per month even in
off season. Like it's not that difficult. But that's who
I always try to help guys. That's just who I
am by nature. Even to this day, I still help
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try to help God. I believe that's one of the
most important things you can do, is try to help
somebody that needs to help and just be kind of people.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
I'm cool with everybody until you not cool with me.
Speaker 7 (10:11):
M h.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Man.
Speaker 7 (10:14):
You know, I know Marshall Man very well and I
get a chance to hang out with him a couple
of times a year on the on the golf course,
and you know, try.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
To say, Marshall cold on the golf course better than.
Speaker 7 (10:26):
Is he better than me? They said, golfer. Okay, Marshall
to night, super nice. I mean, he's a competitive golf
as buff. He's really he's really really good man, Like
he's really good. But uh, you know, just listening to
what you're saying, man, I think the first person two
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people that come to mind. Man, it is just the
money Dawson, you know, so you.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
To you and who took you under their wing?
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Right?
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Okay?
Speaker 7 (10:57):
I like that many Dawson and Room betters me coming
in as a rookie, not me, you know, mentoring the
guys that came in after me. I'm talking about my
mentorship and watching the way that he went about his business.
He was already a first ballt Hall of Famer when
I got it. He was in his thirteenth season, and
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I remember taking the knee beside him in the troll.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Man.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
He always had great conversation for you, man, outside of football,
and he said to me I was a rookie. He said, man,
what do you love about this game. And before I
could say anything, he said, I'm gonna cut you off
right there, he said. He said, I come out here
every day and I give everything that I have to
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see my brothers have success. And it blew me away.
I was what twenty one? I had just turned twenty one,
And to watch the way he went about his work
every day, just like TJ said, Man, you would have
thought this dude was trying to make the football team.
And he was a first ballot Hall of Famer with
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his resume and everything that he had already accomplished. And
Jerome Battis Man watched the way they went about their workman, Uh,
the way they prepare. He's like, man, why is a
running back have to you know, take down notes?
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Man?
Speaker 7 (12:22):
All they doing is giving him the ball and he's running.
But the way that they went about their work every day, man,
the way that they prepare, it made me a better
player from a preparation standpoint going into the games, you know,
every every Sunday. Because I'm sitting there looking at these guys,
I'm like, man, I'm the eighth pick. I'm the highest
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draft pick in still a history, and here I am
sitting sitting here beside these two guys were first ballot
Hall of famers, and their giving effort every day on
a football field, and their preparation and their preparations as
if they gonna get cut tomorrow, just like they said.
And that was my mentorship for me, you know, coming
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into the league, and I kind of just you know,
just passed it on down to everybody else. And that's
why my preparation was as a player. And I used
to tell all the I to tell all the young guys, man, listen,
when you get to this level, I've seen them. I've
seen them all fast, big, short, tall, jump, whatever the
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case may be. But if you're not prepared, man, when
you step out on that football field and you don't
if you don't have an idea of what you're supposed
to be doing. I seen some of the best athletes
in the world get to that level and couldn't even
play the game of football because they had no idea
what they were doing.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
That's a good word, man, Hey to all y'all out there,
pay attention to the people that are trying to give
you game. That's why we call the show up on game,
you know why, because well we're trying to give y'all
game so that y'all could have success in y'all's lives,
not make the same mistakes we made or have the
same successes that we've had. It's a beautiful thing, man,
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and it's a beautiful thing that Marshall Folk had some
time for us to talk and chop it up about that.
We're gonna take a quick break. On the other side
of the break, we're gonna talk Travis Hunter and we're
gonna talk Cam Newton. We're gonna put the two together.
We're gonna mash them up. Even though it's two separate conversations,
it's pretty relevant because one is going to go very
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high in the draft. We're gonna talk about what has
been listed about him, and we're gonna talk about another
who went high in the draft, and well what he
had to say about why he went high in the draft.
You know, you won't want to miss the kind of
the feedback on that one. The perspective on that one
be pretty interesting to hear. You're listening to up on games,
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t J. Huschman's Eyes, Plexico Burst. I'm LeVar Arrington. We'll
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Speaker 1 (15:12):
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Huchman's outa, It's Plexico Burrs. I'm LeVar Arrington. All right.
In moments, we're going to talk about what Cam had
to say about the locker room when he got drafted
to the Carolina Panthers. But first, here's what I had
to say fellas I was on the show. Obviously, I
do two pros and a cup of Joe during the
course of the week with Jonas Knox who comes on
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immediately following our show, and Brady Quinn, the famed legendary
quarterback of Notre Dame. This is what I had to
say about the conversation surrounding one Travis Hunter coming out
and it being labeled that he will test as a dB,
will be listed as a dB, not as a receiver.
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And I can't wait to hear y'all's response, because I
know y'all gonna have a different, a different thought of it,
but or maybe you won't But here's what I had
to say about that. Yeah, he's not going to be
a two way player, like what a true way two
way player represents, like what he did in college. That's
just not going to happen. I mean, that's that's the
reality of it. It would take a perfect storm, you
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know what it would take. It would take Deon Sanders
coaching at the pro level for him to be a
true two way player to get that opportunity. That's just
not how it works. So the worst thing that could
possibly happen to a Travis Hunter is he not settle
into what his home position is. You can use him
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on the other side of the ball, but if you
try to to like muddy those waters, I just don't
think that that's good for his his opportunities and his
development to have true success at the next level. Like
there's been some really really talented guys that have played
both ways and really have had the opportunity to both
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ways at times at the pro level. But that's just
not ideal. It's just not that's you know, to me,
I think this is the right decision. I mean the
first first time, the first thing I think about is
like a guy like uh, who was a kick returner.
That was amazing. He went into the Harvard There you go, right, Uh,
Devin Hester could have played pretty much any position skill
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wise on the football field. And it ultimately, if you
ask me, he was able to get into the Hall.
He was so extraordinary as as an athlete and as
a player. He was able to get into the Hall
of Fame. But it really kind of in a way
did not allow for him to have the type of
impact that he really could have had if he had
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just had a position. And I don't know. I know
people will sit there and be like, well, that's what
it was meant for da da da da. No, it
really isn't. I could put him in there at times
to run ended arounds and different things like that. But
if that man can't really really settle into what you know,
mastering the to what it is he's doing at the
position he's playing, I think you do that, young man,
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a disservice by by spreading thing like that. Go go
tej that that.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Is so different.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
I didn't mean to interrupt the recording, God, because we've
never seen this before with Travis Hunter.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
But why have we never seen it before? You start
with the why haven't we seen it?
Speaker 5 (18:22):
Because no coach is given a player and opportunity to
be a two to one player, two way player. Yes,
no coach is giving a kid an opportunity and the
and and it starts in high school because the majority
of these kids, they go to high schools where it's
almost like a college. And the fact that you play offense,
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or when we came up, we're playing both sides of
the ball. You're the best player you're playing, You ain't
you really never come out the game when we came.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Best player in the country as a running back.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
And that's what I'm saying a running back.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
And but I had no intention of playing no one
down of offense when I went to college. But that
was why I was rated so high coming out of
high schools because I was a tailback that ran for
over four thousand yards. I think we can go guys
could go both ways. If you saw that flex plex
we are. Don't need to forget who's on the microphones,
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we on the mic stocket.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
We've never seen this before. What he was able to
accomplish in college. I believe a team will give him
an opportunity to play both. I really believe that but.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
As it will hold on as a true two way player.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
No, no, no, he'll play.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
He'll play what I must guess a maximum of fifteen
to twenty snaps of offense. If he's going to just
be a dB, he'll play fifteen to twenty snaps on offense.
And then if the impact isn't what they want, it's
gonna graduate.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
Going to be.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
How is it going to be the impact of what
you needed to be? How is it going to how
how does that work?
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Level you?
Speaker 5 (20:00):
You you don't have to always have splash plays. But
when you watch the film Howard, how is the defense
reacting when you're in the game. How do they change
agmatically when you're in the game offenchematically?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Are they going to be afraid of Travis Hunter.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
As as a No, they're not going to be nice
of them.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
So what I'm saying you got to take somebody.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
You got to be Mike Tyson knocking everybody out in
the first couple of rounds of people.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
To fear you.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
So what I'm saying is is you're making my point.
You're not schematically going to be game planning to try
to take Travis Hunter out of out of the game,
out of the game plan and they just lined up
as a receiver.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
And that's the case. It's offensive usage, I believe minimal.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
It will be minimal, which means he's not a two
way player. Two way player is the down start and
he's coming in and he's he's listed as a receiver again,
listed as a corner.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
But again, we've never seen this before. This is the
best two way player we've ever seen in college football,
at least since college and college football. Right, Yes, I
mean that was pretty good too, because the way history
he's done with Travis Hunter.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
But it's because of the way they used him.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Right, Let's be clear and say, right, it's because of
the way they used him, exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Trump, Charles Woodson was strapping down, he was strapping David
Boston and you name it.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Who's who didn't have it didn't have He didn't have
a time a tenth of the offensive production.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
That's correct because he wasn't used as much. Right, He
did it on special teams. He break the games open
on special teams. He broke it open on defense, and
he did deliver on offense. All I'm saying is is,
when I look at it, the main factor here is
not looking at Travis Hunter as being different from guys
who have been able to do it at this level
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in years past. It's the coach, like you said earlier on,
it's the approach to it. Now. Whatever it is that
Dion saw or he felt that made them confident enough
to make him a true two way player at the
college level, some would say it was necessity. Some would
say he was the best receiver that they had on
that roster. If they had a better receiver, maybe he
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doesn't have to do that. You're not going to run
into that situation at the pro level, and if you do,
let's be clear here, fellas, if you do run into
a situation where Travis Hunter is so good that he
actually is going to start at the position on both
sides of the ball, then that GM needs to be
fired because you are supposed to have a player that
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is good enough to be the starter at one of
those two positions, whether it's the cornerback or whether it's
the receiver. If you have one guy that's good enough
to go both ways and that's and you're using him
both ways as a true two way player, that GM
is not doing his job. And I have no no problem.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
Saying coming into the league, and Prime is an advisor
in helping him along the way. Any team that drafts
him is going to promise that opportunity. So when you
promise somebody that opportunity, you have to follow through with
that opportunity.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
You got to follow through with.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
That because I know where he's going to end up
at it and it ain't gonna be good.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
And so if you don't follow through on what is promised, now,
it's a problem.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
So Travis un Travis Hunter is the best player.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
He was the best playing college football. Last year. He
was the best.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Athlete on one rated player in the draft.
Speaker 7 (23:38):
What I'm saying, what I've been trying to tell people
is that you know, I guess he has declared that
he's going to play the cornerback position at the next level.
But I believe and I know that his biggest impact
on the game of football at the collegiate level was
him playing wide receiver. And now you he goes into
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the league, he plays he plays the cornerback position. I
don't think his impact on the game of football at
the next level playing cornerback is going to be what
it was in college. He's not going to have the
same impact on the game, because I mean, is he
considered Darrel Reeves, Is he.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Just had down corner?
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Is he considered being a shutdown corner the next level?
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Considering that some would say.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
That instincts, his instincts are crazy, Yes, great instincts.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
His natural ability on the side.
Speaker 7 (24:36):
Of the football will make him a better player at
the next level instead of him playing wide receiver because
he's that crazy of an athlete.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
I agree.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
I really believe that his natural ability shows more on
defense than it does to him running routes, being you know,
telling him where to go sixteen yards twelve yards. It
takes away from his football game, him being a wide
receiver more than him being a natural athlete.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
On the other side of the football.
Speaker 7 (25:06):
But I don't believe that his impact what he did
in college will translate to the next level as far
as what he was able to do for the Colorado team,
and you were just saying about what team is going
to let him do that. I think the worst thing
that can happen to Travis Hunter going into this draft
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if that the Tennessee Titans and the Cleveland Browns takes
your door.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Sanders and cam Ward one and.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
Two it's not gonna happen. I'm just they both need quarterbacks.
If they do take the quarterbacks one and two and
Travis Hunter is sitting at three to go to the
New York Giants, they will not draft Travis Hunter and
he's going to end up in New England with Mike
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Rable because.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
That's not a bad I mean they would. He's a
guy that played offense at time, scored a couple of touchdowns,
some big touchdowns. I mean, Mike, Mike Rabel is a
very open mind.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
I played seven years.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Of course, I think he would beg noowed. That might
be a destination that could help, you know, go in
the favor of Travis Hunter being you know, able to
execute on both sides of the ball. I just still
think that if it comes back to the bare minimum
of the genesis of the conversation, I think Travis Hunter
is best served as a player for himself. For himself,
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you don't want to and and in a lot of ways,
I do think it is comparable to Devin Hester, because
Devin Hester was as crazy an athlete as I've ever seen.
Period like period, I mean people throw Bo Jackson out there,
you throw Dion I get that. But if you're asking
me athleticly, athletically, I was sitting and you were there too,
plex I was sitting in and uh and giant state.
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On one time when that man was returning them kicks,
it looked like he had a tail, And I ain't
gonna lie like that is the most that is the
fastest I've seen a person move on the football field.
That was a person and not not something from like
the serengetti like. He looked like a real cheetah on
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the field. Like it impacted me. I ain't gonna lie.
So when I look at the amount of talent he had,
Sure you could put Devin Hester out there and give
him go routes and fly routes and deep middle routes
or whatever it is. Run with him. See if you
could keep up with him, and he's going to catch
the ball if you give it to him in a
way where he can, he's gonna catch it. So you
could have played him on offense. You could have played
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on my cornerback and he had the type of impact
that you needed because he was so much more of
a better athlete than everybody was. But at some point
it got lost. It got lost and you didn't know
what you were gonna use him as, and that became
his identity. Travis Hunter could run the risk. I'm just
(28:05):
being honest. At the pro level, if you think you're
gonna use him as a two way player, you know
what's gonna happen. We're using them over here. I don't
really like it this way. I want to tweak it
this way. You using him on this side of the ball.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I don't really like it as I don't, but I get.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
More time to spend with this guy. I get more
time to spend with this guy. Next thing, you know,
you're rotating him. You're rotating him. Your rotating I go
back here and receive kicks. You know what can you do? Punts?
Let's take you, put you back here, Let's receive some punts.
I guarantee you with all of that talent and that
skill you see Travis Hunter with, they are going to
be trying to maximize the usage of them. And before
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you know it, you got a utility guy. And that's
what he gets labeled as as a utility guy, not
a corner. He's not a receiver. He's a utility guy.
You don't want that. I wouldn't want that for my kid.
I wouldn't want that for me.
Speaker 7 (28:57):
When you line past it, when you line Travis Hunter
up at at cornerback, he will be a better player,
on a better athlete than nine out of the ten
receivers that he's going to guard on a on a
on a every Sunday. And the upside for him is
that when he's playing the position, his natural ability when
(29:19):
the balls in the air, he turns into.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
A receiver because he's a.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Receiver, he just turns into a man.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
And that is that is his biggest upside versus him
playing cornerback versus wide receiver. So you said they should
use him in spot duty on defense, not on offense. Man,
he's a true cover corner with playing wide receiver with
wide receiver's abilities.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
So it is his biggest strift.
Speaker 7 (29:49):
As a player a spot duty as a receiver. You
start him as a corner, no doubt about it, TJ.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Start him as a corner. I mean that's what they.
Speaker 7 (29:58):
A couple of screen passes, whatever the ca maybe, but
he's not a down in and down out wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
At the next level.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
To me.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
Is what does the young man feel comfortable at and
obviously by him saying he's going to do combine Jills
as a dB, that's what he views himself as. That's
where he's most comfortable. That's where he probably feels he
plays his best. It's natural for him, and so I'm
gonna go with what he feels his best because if
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you enjoy a certain side of the ball more than other,
obviously gonna be more committed. It's gonna be more natural,
I will get better production. And so that's what I
would do. So to me, it's gonna be defense because
that seems like what he likes. But instinctually, he just
has things you can't teach. He has things that why
do he do that? I don't know. And that's why
(30:52):
certain players are better than other players, is because I
do something that I just do it. My instinct tells
me to do it. I don't have to be coached
do it. And so for him, he was blessed with that,
being able to process information quickly and do it right.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Now. I'm saying dB, because that's what he is saying.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
We gotta we got to take into account when the
player is committed at a certain position, you're gonna get
more out of him. If that's what he wants to do.
If you force him to do something full time that
he doesn't want to do full time, I don't know
if that will pan out. And so I'm gonna go
with corner full time and let him play receiver part time.
(31:37):
But a month or so ago, I was saying, hump
land receiver because right now the top pay receiver is
making a lot more than the top paid corner. But ultimately,
I want him to have success, and I believe success
comes when he wants to play what he wants to play.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Oh, definitely, Well, he has done it the right way.
By the way, he has not been a problem. He
has handled even adverse situations where it was out of
his control. He's handled things in a very, very above
board manner. He's just at times he's just been a kid,
which is really cool. He's just able to be a
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young man. He has built his brand, he has created
a podcast, he's done. He is the wave of the
future in a lot of ways, and he is a
monetizable brand. And I love what he's been able to do.
And I love the guidance that that Prime brought to
to that to his repertoire, his toolbox of who he
(32:33):
is as a person. So I'm excited to see what
he turns out. You know, they're saying he's only gonna
do dB drills. If he does anything at the combine,
I would love to see him run a couple of routes.
That would be some entertainment there, entertainment value and probably
would go to his advantage as well. But if he doesn't,
If he don't do anything, he don't matter. Dude is
a bona fide ball er. We wish him all the
(32:55):
all the best. We're gonna come back. We're gonna wrap
up the show with well his podcast. He did an
interview with Cam Newton. Cam had some interesting things to say.
His teammates had some interesting responses to what he had
to say. Cam came back had some double down on it.
You'll get to hear that. We're gonna wrap this one
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Before we get up out of here, Cam Newton had
something to say, said the locker room was full of
losers when he got drafted. He doubled down on a
(34:23):
couple of his teammates had some things to say. I'll
read them to y'all in a minute, but here was
Cam's double down on I'm interested to get a quick
reaction from y'all on what took place. But here's his
double down on it.
Speaker 8 (34:34):
He was in that locker room that was too and fourteen.
Jonathan Stewart was in that locker room it's two and fourteen,
Ryan Khalil, Jordan Gross, Thomas Davis, John Beeson, Charles Johnson.
Those guys were in that locker room that was two
and fourteen. I'm not specifically talking about those guys. I'm
specifically talking about the culture that was there prior to
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me coming into the locker room, right, and there was
a loser's mentality. Even the following year when we went
six and ten, there was a lot of losing mentality
that was in that locker room.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
And that was you, including me.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
So Cam's exact quotes was my issue is when I
was the first pick, I went into a locker room
of losers. Guys didn't know how to win, Guys didn't
know how to prepare. Newton said, they didn't take themselves serious,
to realize, like yo, we was two and fourteen. There
(35:32):
was a lot of two and fourteen in the mentality
of those guys. Now, a few guys came back and
they had some things to say. Uh Munderlin, I want.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
To say Munderlin.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Johnson, A couple guys had to say he's like, listen.
For him to say that we were losers was a
slap in the face, says Munderlin, who had a career
high three interceptions into the ten. This was a team
who was two years removed from playing in the NFC
Divisional Round against Arizona Cardinals. That die, so on, so forth.
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You get the picture of it. Steve Smith, if you
know that name. Of course, we all know Steve Smith's name.
That's one of those names where you say, I wonder
if Steve is still the type of dude that like
on site, Like if I see you in the street
after calling me a loser, I'm gonna slap you in
your mouth. And how that would work, because we've seen
how Cam Newton is able to take on physical, uh,
(36:29):
you know, opplications. He ain't an easy win. If this
was your teammates saying that y'all was losers when you
came into the locker room, how would you have handled
this situation. I know we ain't got a lot of time,
but I'm curious to hear.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
What y'allly some teams with some terrible records, this is
my belief.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
It's when he said loser's mentality.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
That's what I disagree with because we lost in Washington,
and I certainly you're just mental.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
With the team that Sean is losing, and so you're
on a losing team.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
But when you say mentality.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
But why are you losing? Like to the point like
because it makes you think like your team is losing,
you're a part of a losing team. I mean you
are a loser for all anticipates.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
You have the first pick and the are able to
draft Cam Newton because obviously you had the worst record
in the league. But what Cam did say was I
was a part of that losing mentality when we went
six and ten.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
I was a part of that.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
And so I just when you say mentality, that's coming
at somebody as who they are, because I was on
losing teams the majority of my time in the league,
especially in Cincinnati, and I look at myself if nothing
but a winner. I play anything, I'm winning. That's a fact.
We play video games, I'm win. We shoot threes for money,
(37:56):
I'm winning.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
We go games, your record, what say, just a hey,
did y'all see that ig post?
Speaker 1 (38:04):
I went to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
When I wade tournament, y'all playing for second place?
Speaker 1 (38:11):
And what I do? I won?
Speaker 5 (38:13):
And yeah, yeah, I want to Rolllex. I sure did
Spades game and I told he And when I walked
in there, I told everybody, I'm winning the tournament. Y'all
playing for second place. They thought I was just talking, man,
but I had to show them. And so when you're
on that team and you're Steve Smith and your TD
Thomas Davis, you take that personal.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Like bro, I was on this team.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
Ain't nothing about me losing mentality, And so I get
where they're coming from. The mentality part of it is
the part where they don't like the losing team.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
I get it.
Speaker 7 (38:49):
Last word, place, you don't come into you don't come
in the league with losing mentality that they just want
good uh you know.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
Collectively as a whole. But there's something I never experience.
Speaker 7 (39:01):
I only had one losing season in my whole in
my whole career, my boy, So I've never went into
a locker room and be like, oh, this is wanted
to lose. But when I did come to New York,
they weren't very good. I think there was like four
and twelve, six and ten and four and twelve and
all that turned around PLEXT a couple of years, but
losing mentality as a bunch of guys going out there
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laying on the line for each other every Sunday. I
don't believe that those guys that are losing mentality they
just weren't very good at.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
A football won't Speaking of losers, you got Jonas Knox
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this show and let's talk. Let's talk about what we
got going on here, fellas. I want to lead off
with the Travis Hunter. Well, no, you know what we're
going to do. We're going to save Travis Hunter and
we're going to save Cam Newton. And let you know
what we're going to do. Let's talk a little bit
about how old head can impress and help a young
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buck and teach them. Both of you have been in
this situation in scenario before, and this week's guest on
Legendary Moment, we had this very conversation about one Peyton Manning.
This week's legendary moment comes to you, Marshall Folk.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Conversations with a legend and now this is your legendary moment.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I heard the stories about how you, in a lot
of ways were indirectly responsible for the success that Peyton
man was able to have as a can you because
what one thing that people may not realize sometimes is
how cerebral and how intelligent players are outside of the
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quarterback's position. But you were one of those guys that
when people talk about Marshall fault, they talked about your
understanding of what was taking place with the defense, how
the reads looked, how the game worked, and that played
a major part in Peyton Manning's adjustment and adaptation to
(03:31):
the league.
Speaker 6 (03:32):
Yeah, understanding and listen, Peyton's Peyton's stavant. Sure, but when
you when you have somebody and you can have those conversations,
and Peyton and I we be sitting, you know, it's
like this here in He's like it looks like this,
you know cover what do you think?
Speaker 4 (03:47):
I'm like, you got it?
Speaker 6 (03:48):
Like that's that's it's oh, there's no no, no, hey, the
safety's rotating. Uh, this this will this will probably be
there's probably be three he's gonna drop down. So just
having those conversations and in film study and preparation, he
and I we literally saw the game through the same
lens and that relationship in that Bond year one being
there for him because a lot of times he didn't
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have a lot of time, so you hit the checkdown,
you hit the checkdown, and he was seeing things a
lot faster learning than what I loved about Peyton, and
I had nothing to do with this was that rookie year.
He made a mistake once and he never made it again.
If he made it once, you couldn't get in with it.
And it literally, I mean he turned into what he
(04:33):
became after I left, because he really, really really dove
into us communicating, making sure we were on the same page,
and that became his thing with everybody. He was a
full on communicator with the center, offensive line, receivers, everybody
knowing what was going on and didn't care if the
defense heard it.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I gotta say it, it's always amazing when you get
to talk to guys that have accomplished at the level
that a Marshall Folk has accomplished. That I get the
opportunity to do a show with two guys that have
done it at as high level as it gets, and
you know what, I know for certain that you guys
(05:16):
have played that role at certain times in your careers
as well. I mean, either one of you take it.
But can you think of a moment in time where
there was a player in particular that you had one
of these illuminating, you know, relationships with being with them
as a younger, aspiring player and just the things that
(05:40):
you know, you guys kind of talked about. I can
recall me and Sean Taylor, and not because it's Sean
Taylor because everybody knows him as the famous football player
that was the greatest ever and stuff like that. But
I thought the coolest thing about my relationship with Sean
when he came in was the off the field aspects
of it and talking to him about how being a man,
(06:05):
that a better man would ultimately make him a better
football player on on the field and what those things
looked like, you know, just simple things in terms of
your daily regiment and how you view yourself as a person.
And we had so many cool like conversations offline. You know,
(06:26):
he come over to the crib, we hang out, we talk,
and it became one of those things where you know,
I felt really good about the impact that I was
having on him. Chris Clemens is another one that comes
to mind. We talked a lot about what happens on
the football field and our starts. And if you remember
(06:47):
Chris Clemens, you remember he had that patent four point stands,
and I mean he was a rocket, a missile coming
out of his stance, and I like to believe that
was conversations that he and I had. He asked me
the reason as to why I went into a four
point stance versus just having a conventional three point stand
stance when I go down as a defensive end, and
(07:09):
there was a lot of reasoning behind it. Me I'm undersized.
I was undersized to be on the line of scrimmage
as a defensive lineman. So I knew coming out of
the stance like a track sprinter, because I ran track,
coming out of the stance a certain type of way.
I was going to try to get my three steps
off that snap as fast as I could, and it
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kept me low so that if I wanted to, if
I got a field enough, I could either dip underneath
the outreached arms of the lineman or it just really
really forced that offensive lineman to have to really kick
and stress him out to get out there to try
to cut me off, and it usually gave me a
(07:53):
two way go. Those were the type of conversations me
and Chris used to have. How did that play a part?
And play to run? How to play a part? And
playing the past DA, so on and so forth. Who
did you guys run into that? That type of relationship
was the dynamic that you guys had.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
I mean, for me, I've had a relationship with so
many of the younger guys and it didn't matter the
position when whether it's on the field or off the field.
You know, because when you get to a team and
you're the young guy, all you really know are the
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guys that you've seen on TV or the best players
on the team, and so if they don't welcome you.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Then you just kind of, you know, just feel your
way around the team.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
And so I always made it a point, man, when
I became a starter, that all the rookies we would draft,
the free agents, I always introduced myself to them, always
made them feel welcome because it's like a new kid
going to school.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Although we're all grown.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Man, there's a into uneasiness when you walk into a
locker room and you don't know anybody, and so I
would always try to make them feel welcome. But as
far as like mentoring them and trying to be there
for him LaVar I pretty much did that with so
many guys.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
That's why to this day I still.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Talk to him, We still communicate because I was always
trying to be that guy that would help him on
the field and off the field. If if you're out
there with no family, you can come to my house
for Thanksgiving. Trying to give them advice on how to
manage their money. And it was simple advice. Live every
year like you're gonna get cut the next year. So
(09:37):
if you think you're gonna get cut and on spend
your money. Very simple. What should my budget be? Your
budget should be about this amount per month even in
off season. Like it's not that difficult. But that's who
I always try to help guys. That's just who I
am by nature. Even to this day, I still help
(09:57):
try to help God. I believe that's one of the
most important things you can do, is try to help
somebody that needs to help and just be kind of people.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
I'm cool with everybody until you not cool with me.
Speaker 7 (10:11):
M h.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Man.
Speaker 7 (10:14):
You know, I know Marshall Man very well and I
get a chance to hang out with him a couple
of times a year on the on the golf course,
and you know, try.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
To say, Marshall cold on the golf course better than.
Speaker 7 (10:26):
Is he better than me? They said, golfer. Okay, Marshall
to night, super nice. I mean, he's a competitive golf
as buff. He's really he's really really good man, Like
he's really good. But uh, you know, just listening to
what you're saying, man, I think the first person two
(10:46):
people that come to mind. Man, it is just the
money Dawson, you know, so you.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
To you and who took you under their wing?
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Right?
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Okay?
Speaker 7 (10:57):
I like that many Dawson and Room betters me coming
in as a rookie, not me, you know, mentoring the
guys that came in after me. I'm talking about my
mentorship and watching the way that he went about his business.
He was already a first ballt Hall of Famer when
I got it. He was in his thirteenth season, and
(11:19):
I remember taking the knee beside him in the troll.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Man.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
He always had great conversation for you, man, outside of football,
and he said to me I was a rookie. He said, man,
what do you love about this game. And before I
could say anything, he said, I'm gonna cut you off
right there, he said. He said, I come out here
every day and I give everything that I have to
(11:46):
see my brothers have success. And it blew me away.
I was what twenty one? I had just turned twenty one,
And to watch the way he went about his work
every day, just like TJ said, Man, you would have
thought this dude was trying to make the football team.
And he was a first ballot Hall of Famer with
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his resume and everything that he had already accomplished. And
Jerome Battis Man watched the way they went about their workman, Uh,
the way they prepare. He's like, man, why is a
running back have to you know, take down notes?
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Man?
Speaker 7 (12:22):
All they doing is giving him the ball and he's running.
But the way that they went about their work every day, man,
the way that they prepare, it made me a better
player from a preparation standpoint going into the games, you know,
every every Sunday. Because I'm sitting there looking at these guys,
I'm like, man, I'm the eighth pick. I'm the highest
(12:43):
draft pick in still a history, and here I am
sitting sitting here beside these two guys were first ballot
Hall of famers, and their giving effort every day on
a football field, and their preparation and their preparations as
if they gonna get cut tomorrow, just like they said.
And that was my mentorship for me, you know, coming
(13:05):
into the league, and I kind of just you know,
just passed it on down to everybody else. And that's
why my preparation was as a player. And I used
to tell all the I to tell all the young guys, man, listen,
when you get to this level, I've seen them. I've
seen them all fast, big, short, tall, jump, whatever the
(13:28):
case may be. But if you're not prepared, man, when
you step out on that football field and you don't
if you don't have an idea of what you're supposed
to be doing. I seen some of the best athletes
in the world get to that level and couldn't even
play the game of football because they had no idea
what they were doing.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
That's a good word, man, Hey to all y'all out there,
pay attention to the people that are trying to give
you game. That's why we call the show up on game,
you know why, because well we're trying to give y'all
game so that y'all could have success in y'all's lives,
not make the same mistakes we made or have the
same successes that we've had. It's a beautiful thing, man,
(14:08):
and it's a beautiful thing that Marshall Folk had some
time for us to talk and chop it up about that.
We're gonna take a quick break. On the other side
of the break, we're gonna talk Travis Hunter and we're
gonna talk Cam Newton. We're gonna put the two together.
We're gonna mash them up. Even though it's two separate conversations,
it's pretty relevant because one is going to go very
(14:28):
high in the draft. We're gonna talk about what has
been listed about him, and we're gonna talk about another
who went high in the draft, and well what he
had to say about why he went high in the draft.
You know, you won't want to miss the kind of
the feedback on that one. The perspective on that one
be pretty interesting to hear. You're listening to up on games,
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Speaker 1 (15:12):
It's t J.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Huchman's outa, It's Plexico Burrs. I'm LeVar Arrington. All right.
In moments, we're going to talk about what Cam had
to say about the locker room when he got drafted
to the Carolina Panthers. But first, here's what I had
to say fellas I was on the show. Obviously, I
do two pros and a cup of Joe during the
course of the week with Jonas Knox who comes on
(15:35):
immediately following our show, and Brady Quinn, the famed legendary
quarterback of Notre Dame. This is what I had to
say about the conversation surrounding one Travis Hunter coming out
and it being labeled that he will test as a dB,
will be listed as a dB, not as a receiver.
(15:57):
And I can't wait to hear y'all's response, because I
know y'all gonna have a different, a different thought of it,
but or maybe you won't But here's what I had
to say about that. Yeah, he's not going to be
a two way player, like what a true way two
way player represents, like what he did in college. That's
just not going to happen. I mean, that's that's the
reality of it. It would take a perfect storm, you
(16:18):
know what it would take. It would take Deon Sanders
coaching at the pro level for him to be a
true two way player to get that opportunity. That's just
not how it works. So the worst thing that could
possibly happen to a Travis Hunter is he not settle
into what his home position is. You can use him
(16:39):
on the other side of the ball, but if you
try to to like muddy those waters, I just don't
think that that's good for his his opportunities and his
development to have true success at the next level. Like
there's been some really really talented guys that have played
both ways and really have had the opportunity to both
(17:00):
ways at times at the pro level. But that's just
not ideal. It's just not that's you know, to me,
I think this is the right decision. I mean the
first first time, the first thing I think about is
like a guy like uh, who was a kick returner.
That was amazing. He went into the Harvard There you go, right, Uh,
Devin Hester could have played pretty much any position skill
(17:22):
wise on the football field. And it ultimately, if you
ask me, he was able to get into the Hall.
He was so extraordinary as as an athlete and as
a player. He was able to get into the Hall
of Fame. But it really kind of in a way
did not allow for him to have the type of
impact that he really could have had if he had
(17:43):
just had a position. And I don't know. I know
people will sit there and be like, well, that's what
it was meant for da da da da. No, it
really isn't. I could put him in there at times
to run ended arounds and different things like that. But
if that man can't really really settle into what you know,
mastering the to what it is he's doing at the
position he's playing, I think you do that, young man,
(18:04):
a disservice by by spreading thing like that. Go go
tej that that.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Is so different.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
I didn't mean to interrupt the recording, God, because we've
never seen this before with Travis Hunter.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
But why have we never seen it before? You start
with the why haven't we seen it?
Speaker 5 (18:22):
Because no coach is given a player and opportunity to
be a two to one player, two way player. Yes,
no coach is giving a kid an opportunity and the
and and it starts in high school because the majority
of these kids, they go to high schools where it's
almost like a college. And the fact that you play offense,
(18:44):
or when we came up, we're playing both sides of
the ball. You're the best player you're playing, You ain't
you really never come out the game when we came.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Best player in the country as a running back.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
And that's what I'm saying a running back.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
And but I had no intention of playing no one
down of offense when I went to college. But that
was why I was rated so high coming out of
high schools because I was a tailback that ran for
over four thousand yards. I think we can go guys
could go both ways. If you saw that flex plex
we are. Don't need to forget who's on the microphones,
(19:18):
we on the mic stocket.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
We've never seen this before. What he was able to
accomplish in college. I believe a team will give him
an opportunity to play both. I really believe that but.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
As it will hold on as a true two way player.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
No, no, no, he'll play.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
He'll play what I must guess a maximum of fifteen
to twenty snaps of offense. If he's going to just
be a dB, he'll play fifteen to twenty snaps on offense.
And then if the impact isn't what they want, it's
gonna graduate.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
Going to be.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
How is it going to be the impact of what
you needed to be? How is it going to how
how does that work?
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Level you?
Speaker 5 (20:00):
You you don't have to always have splash plays. But
when you watch the film Howard, how is the defense
reacting when you're in the game. How do they change
agmatically when you're in the game offenchematically?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Are they going to be afraid of Travis Hunter.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
As as a No, they're not going to be nice
of them.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
So what I'm saying you got to take somebody.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
You got to be Mike Tyson knocking everybody out in
the first couple of rounds of people.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
To fear you.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
So what I'm saying is is you're making my point.
You're not schematically going to be game planning to try
to take Travis Hunter out of out of the game,
out of the game plan and they just lined up
as a receiver.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
And that's the case. It's offensive usage, I believe minimal.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
It will be minimal, which means he's not a two
way player. Two way player is the down start and
he's coming in and he's he's listed as a receiver again,
listed as a corner.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
But again, we've never seen this before. This is the
best two way player we've ever seen in college football,
at least since college and college football. Right, Yes, I
mean that was pretty good too, because the way history
he's done with Travis Hunter.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
But it's because of the way they used him.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Right, Let's be clear and say, right, it's because of
the way they used him, exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Trump, Charles Woodson was strapping down, he was strapping David
Boston and you name it.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Who's who didn't have it didn't have He didn't have
a time a tenth of the offensive production.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
That's correct because he wasn't used as much. Right, He
did it on special teams. He break the games open
on special teams. He broke it open on defense, and
he did deliver on offense. All I'm saying is is,
when I look at it, the main factor here is
not looking at Travis Hunter as being different from guys
who have been able to do it at this level
(21:58):
in years past. It's the coach, like you said earlier on,
it's the approach to it. Now. Whatever it is that
Dion saw or he felt that made them confident enough
to make him a true two way player at the
college level, some would say it was necessity. Some would
say he was the best receiver that they had on
that roster. If they had a better receiver, maybe he
(22:19):
doesn't have to do that. You're not going to run
into that situation at the pro level, and if you do,
let's be clear here, fellas, if you do run into
a situation where Travis Hunter is so good that he
actually is going to start at the position on both
sides of the ball, then that GM needs to be
fired because you are supposed to have a player that
(22:40):
is good enough to be the starter at one of
those two positions, whether it's the cornerback or whether it's
the receiver. If you have one guy that's good enough
to go both ways and that's and you're using him
both ways as a true two way player, that GM
is not doing his job. And I have no no problem.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
Saying coming into the league, and Prime is an advisor
in helping him along the way. Any team that drafts
him is going to promise that opportunity. So when you
promise somebody that opportunity, you have to follow through with
that opportunity.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
You got to follow through with.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
That because I know where he's going to end up
at it and it ain't gonna be good.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
And so if you don't follow through on what is promised, now,
it's a problem.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
So Travis un Travis Hunter is the best player.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
He was the best playing college football. Last year. He
was the best.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Athlete on one rated player in the draft.
Speaker 7 (23:38):
What I'm saying, what I've been trying to tell people
is that you know, I guess he has declared that
he's going to play the cornerback position at the next level.
But I believe and I know that his biggest impact
on the game of football at the collegiate level was
him playing wide receiver. And now you he goes into
(23:59):
the league, he plays he plays the cornerback position. I
don't think his impact on the game of football at
the next level playing cornerback is going to be what
it was in college. He's not going to have the
same impact on the game, because I mean, is he
considered Darrel Reeves, Is he.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Just had down corner?
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Is he considered being a shutdown corner the next level?
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Considering that some would say.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
That instincts, his instincts are crazy, Yes, great instincts.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
His natural ability on the side.
Speaker 7 (24:36):
Of the football will make him a better player at
the next level instead of him playing wide receiver because
he's that crazy of an athlete.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
I agree.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
I really believe that his natural ability shows more on
defense than it does to him running routes, being you know,
telling him where to go sixteen yards twelve yards. It
takes away from his football game, him being a wide
receiver more than him being a natural athlete.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
On the other side of the football.
Speaker 7 (25:06):
But I don't believe that his impact what he did
in college will translate to the next level as far
as what he was able to do for the Colorado team,
and you were just saying about what team is going
to let him do that. I think the worst thing
that can happen to Travis Hunter going into this draft
(25:28):
if that the Tennessee Titans and the Cleveland Browns takes
your door.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Sanders and cam Ward one and.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
Two it's not gonna happen. I'm just they both need quarterbacks.
If they do take the quarterbacks one and two and
Travis Hunter is sitting at three to go to the
New York Giants, they will not draft Travis Hunter and
he's going to end up in New England with Mike
(26:00):
Rable because.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
That's not a bad I mean they would. He's a
guy that played offense at time, scored a couple of touchdowns,
some big touchdowns. I mean, Mike, Mike Rabel is a
very open mind.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
I played seven years.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Of course, I think he would beg noowed. That might
be a destination that could help, you know, go in
the favor of Travis Hunter being you know, able to
execute on both sides of the ball. I just still
think that if it comes back to the bare minimum
of the genesis of the conversation, I think Travis Hunter
is best served as a player for himself. For himself,
(26:36):
you don't want to and and in a lot of ways,
I do think it is comparable to Devin Hester, because
Devin Hester was as crazy an athlete as I've ever seen.
Period like period, I mean people throw Bo Jackson out there,
you throw Dion I get that. But if you're asking
me athleticly, athletically, I was sitting and you were there too,
plex I was sitting in and uh and giant state.
(27:00):
On one time when that man was returning them kicks,
it looked like he had a tail, And I ain't
gonna lie like that is the most that is the
fastest I've seen a person move on the football field.
That was a person and not not something from like
the serengetti like. He looked like a real cheetah on
(27:21):
the field. Like it impacted me. I ain't gonna lie.
So when I look at the amount of talent he had,
Sure you could put Devin Hester out there and give
him go routes and fly routes and deep middle routes
or whatever it is. Run with him. See if you
could keep up with him, and he's going to catch
the ball if you give it to him in a
way where he can, he's gonna catch it. So you
could have played him on offense. You could have played
(27:43):
on my cornerback and he had the type of impact
that you needed because he was so much more of
a better athlete than everybody was. But at some point
it got lost. It got lost and you didn't know
what you were gonna use him as, and that became
his identity. Travis Hunter could run the risk. I'm just
(28:05):
being honest. At the pro level, if you think you're
gonna use him as a two way player, you know
what's gonna happen. We're using them over here. I don't
really like it this way. I want to tweak it
this way. You using him on this side of the ball.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I don't really like it as I don't, but I get.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
More time to spend with this guy. I get more
time to spend with this guy. Next thing, you know,
you're rotating him. You're rotating him. Your rotating I go
back here and receive kicks. You know what can you do? Punts?
Let's take you, put you back here, Let's receive some punts.
I guarantee you with all of that talent and that
skill you see Travis Hunter with, they are going to
be trying to maximize the usage of them. And before
(28:43):
you know it, you got a utility guy. And that's
what he gets labeled as as a utility guy, not
a corner. He's not a receiver. He's a utility guy.
You don't want that. I wouldn't want that for my kid.
I wouldn't want that for me.
Speaker 7 (28:57):
When you line past it, when you line Travis Hunter
up at at cornerback, he will be a better player,
on a better athlete than nine out of the ten
receivers that he's going to guard on a on a
on a every Sunday. And the upside for him is
that when he's playing the position, his natural ability when
(29:19):
the balls in the air, he turns into.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
A receiver because he's a.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Receiver, he just turns into a man.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
And that is that is his biggest upside versus him
playing cornerback versus wide receiver. So you said they should
use him in spot duty on defense, not on offense. Man,
he's a true cover corner with playing wide receiver with
wide receiver's abilities.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
So it is his biggest strift.
Speaker 7 (29:49):
As a player a spot duty as a receiver. You
start him as a corner, no doubt about it, TJ.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Start him as a corner. I mean that's what they.
Speaker 7 (29:58):
A couple of screen passes, whatever the ca maybe, but
he's not a down in and down out wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
At the next level.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
To me.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
Is what does the young man feel comfortable at and
obviously by him saying he's going to do combine Jills
as a dB, that's what he views himself as. That's
where he's most comfortable. That's where he probably feels he
plays his best. It's natural for him, and so I'm
gonna go with what he feels his best because if
(30:30):
you enjoy a certain side of the ball more than other,
obviously gonna be more committed. It's gonna be more natural,
I will get better production. And so that's what I
would do. So to me, it's gonna be defense because
that seems like what he likes. But instinctually, he just
has things you can't teach. He has things that why
do he do that? I don't know. And that's why
(30:52):
certain players are better than other players, is because I
do something that I just do it. My instinct tells
me to do it. I don't have to be coached
do it. And so for him, he was blessed with that,
being able to process information quickly and do it right.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Now. I'm saying dB, because that's what he is saying.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
We gotta we got to take into account when the
player is committed at a certain position, you're gonna get
more out of him. If that's what he wants to do.
If you force him to do something full time that
he doesn't want to do full time, I don't know
if that will pan out. And so I'm gonna go
with corner full time and let him play receiver part time.
(31:37):
But a month or so ago, I was saying, hump
land receiver because right now the top pay receiver is
making a lot more than the top paid corner. But ultimately,
I want him to have success, and I believe success
comes when he wants to play what he wants to play.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Oh, definitely, Well, he has done it the right way.
By the way, he has not been a problem. He
has handled even adverse situations where it was out of
his control. He's handled things in a very, very above
board manner. He's just at times he's just been a kid,
which is really cool. He's just able to be a
(32:12):
young man. He has built his brand, he has created
a podcast, he's done. He is the wave of the
future in a lot of ways, and he is a
monetizable brand. And I love what he's been able to do.
And I love the guidance that that Prime brought to
to that to his repertoire, his toolbox of who he
(32:33):
is as a person. So I'm excited to see what
he turns out. You know, they're saying he's only gonna
do dB drills. If he does anything at the combine,
I would love to see him run a couple of routes.
That would be some entertainment there, entertainment value and probably
would go to his advantage as well. But if he doesn't,
If he don't do anything, he don't matter. Dude is
a bona fide ball er. We wish him all the
(32:55):
all the best. We're gonna come back. We're gonna wrap
up the show with well his podcast. He did an
interview with Cam Newton. Cam had some interesting things to say.
His teammates had some interesting responses to what he had
to say. Cam came back had some double down on it.
You'll get to hear that. We're gonna wrap this one
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Before we get up out of here, Cam Newton had
something to say, said the locker room was full of
losers when he got drafted. He doubled down on a
(34:23):
couple of his teammates had some things to say. I'll
read them to y'all in a minute, but here was
Cam's double down on I'm interested to get a quick
reaction from y'all on what took place. But here's his
double down on it.
Speaker 8 (34:34):
He was in that locker room that was too and fourteen.
Jonathan Stewart was in that locker room it's two and fourteen,
Ryan Khalil, Jordan Gross, Thomas Davis, John Beeson, Charles Johnson.
Those guys were in that locker room that was two
and fourteen. I'm not specifically talking about those guys. I'm
specifically talking about the culture that was there prior to
(34:58):
me coming into the locker room, right, and there was
a loser's mentality. Even the following year when we went
six and ten, there was a lot of losing mentality
that was in that locker room.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
And that was you, including me.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
So Cam's exact quotes was my issue is when I
was the first pick, I went into a locker room
of losers. Guys didn't know how to win, Guys didn't
know how to prepare. Newton said, they didn't take themselves serious,
to realize, like yo, we was two and fourteen. There
(35:32):
was a lot of two and fourteen in the mentality
of those guys. Now, a few guys came back and
they had some things to say. Uh Munderlin, I want.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
To say Munderlin.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Johnson, A couple guys had to say he's like, listen.
For him to say that we were losers was a
slap in the face, says Munderlin, who had a career
high three interceptions into the ten. This was a team
who was two years removed from playing in the NFC
Divisional Round against Arizona Cardinals. That die, so on, so forth.
(36:09):
You get the picture of it. Steve Smith, if you
know that name. Of course, we all know Steve Smith's name.
That's one of those names where you say, I wonder
if Steve is still the type of dude that like
on site, Like if I see you in the street
after calling me a loser, I'm gonna slap you in
your mouth. And how that would work, because we've seen
how Cam Newton is able to take on physical, uh,
(36:29):
you know, opplications. He ain't an easy win. If this
was your teammates saying that y'all was losers when you
came into the locker room, how would you have handled
this situation. I know we ain't got a lot of time,
but I'm curious to hear.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
What y'allly some teams with some terrible records, this is
my belief.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
It's when he said loser's mentality.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
That's what I disagree with because we lost in Washington,
and I certainly you're just mental.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
With the team that Sean is losing, and so you're
on a losing team.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
But when you say mentality.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
But why are you losing? Like to the point like
because it makes you think like your team is losing,
you're a part of a losing team. I mean you
are a loser for all anticipates.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
You have the first pick and the are able to
draft Cam Newton because obviously you had the worst record
in the league. But what Cam did say was I
was a part of that losing mentality when we went
six and ten.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
I was a part of that.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
And so I just when you say mentality, that's coming
at somebody as who they are, because I was on
losing teams the majority of my time in the league,
especially in Cincinnati, and I look at myself if nothing
but a winner. I play anything, I'm winning. That's a fact.
We play video games, I'm win. We shoot threes for money,
(37:56):
I'm winning.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
We go games, your record, what say, just a hey,
did y'all see that ig post?
Speaker 1 (38:04):
I went to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
When I wade tournament, y'all playing for second place?
Speaker 1 (38:11):
And what I do? I won?
Speaker 5 (38:13):
And yeah, yeah, I want to Rolllex. I sure did
Spades game and I told he And when I walked
in there, I told everybody, I'm winning the tournament. Y'all
playing for second place. They thought I was just talking, man,
but I had to show them. And so when you're
on that team and you're Steve Smith and your TD
Thomas Davis, you take that personal.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Like bro, I was on this team.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
Ain't nothing about me losing mentality, And so I get
where they're coming from. The mentality part of it is
the part where they don't like the losing team.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
I get it.
Speaker 7 (38:49):
Last word, place, you don't come into you don't come
in the league with losing mentality that they just want
good uh you know.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
Collectively as a whole. But there's something I never experience.
Speaker 7 (39:01):
I only had one losing season in my whole in
my whole career, my boy, So I've never went into
a locker room and be like, oh, this is wanted
to lose. But when I did come to New York,
they weren't very good. I think there was like four
and twelve, six and ten and four and twelve and
all that turned around PLEXT a couple of years, but
losing mentality as a bunch of guys going out there
(39:22):
laying on the line for each other every Sunday. I
don't believe that those guys that are losing mentality they
just weren't very good at.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
A football won't Speaking of losers, you got Jonas Knox
coming coming up next, so make sure you stayed in
now you're not lose our best. This is a sports
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