Up On Game Presents Up On Game Weekly Turner Tea Bagged Caleb Goes Into Fetal Position Don't Hit QBs
November 6, 2023 • 35 mins
LaVar Arrington And TJ Houshmandzadeh bring you another great show. The guys discuss Shemar Turner getting Tea Bagged By Micah Pettus, Caleb Williams going into the fetal position after another USC loss. And they might as well play touch with these QB's as once again a roughing the passer was called during the Commanders Vs Patriots game.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up?
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Everybody's LaVar Arrington here and my man t J. Hushman Zada.
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
All right, uh, TJ. Let's jump right.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Into this man the Old Miss Game and Texas A
and M. In the game, you have Shamar Turner who
gets ejected for a personal foul, like a flagrant personal
foul because a lineman named Micah Pettis basically did an
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obscene act and gesture to Shamar Turner.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Bag them.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Well, well, okay, let's take a look at the tea bagging.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Why Shamar Turner was ejected.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Jordan, Oh, look, Mike Copettis has been finishing blocks like
this all game and watch Turner get up with the
frustration of this.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
There, Okay, TJ.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I gotta tell you, man, if I'm giving advice to
my child on what mikeah Pettis did to Shamar Turner.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
I say, what TJ. You're a man first. That that's
first and foremost. You are a man first. You never
let nobody disrespect you like that. Me personally, you know,
in the game of football, you can't throw punk punches
the consequences of what come from that, and so you
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punch him in a helmet. He ain't gonna fill it.
This gonna hurt your hand more than anything. You tried
to hit him, which I thought would have dropped him,
and it didn't. Then is private, uh, And it didn't
drop him, so you obviously didn't hit him there either
me me personally, we would have fought after the game.
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We would have fought after the game. I would have
been right at his locker room waiting on him. I've
done that before, waited on somebody at the locker room.
And so and I'm did it happen?
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Did the lockows happened? Did you ever have a time
you waited.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
And security wouldn't allow it, because you know every team
has security, And then they got the police officers that
worked the games. But I was so angry that I
was like, I don't care what happened. He gonna have
to beat my ass, they gonna have to jump me.
But somebody gonna feel this, and that was it was
just it was just blatantly disrespectful to me. They both
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should have been at like, you can't disrespect somebody like
that and act like you didn't. I hate that You're
the aggressor and now you want to play the victim.
What did I do? Why do he do this to me?
I didn't even do anything to him, Like, now you
were the aggressor, you initiated it. But me personally, yeah,
I would have tried to meet him in the locker room.
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Better better hope I don't see him an off season.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
When you listen to the video and they air the video,
the broadcasters don't even acknowledge what might because all the
articles that I read, their conditions, all the articles that
I read, nobody says anything about what Micah Pettis did.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
And it's the most blatant.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
It's one like you could It's as disrespectful as spitting
in my face.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
You put your nuts on this man head, like.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Think about this.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
If somebody was to disrespect my mama or were to
spit in my face, those are the two things you
could call me a N word to my face, you
could call it. You could pretty much do anything you want,
and my self control is good, Like I'm good. Like
you're not gonna You're not gonna pull it out of me,
put your ball sack on my head, player out of you.
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It's a different story. It's a different story. I'm sorry.
And not one person had the frame of mind that's
writing about it, or even in the moment where you're like, oh,
Pettis is finishing blocks, daughter, dog, look at the way
he's finishing blocks. Look here, you can finish a block.
You pancake the them. Okay, no problem. But not only
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did you get up and put your sack on his head,
you remained there like I was given account.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I'm gonna watch it again.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I'm gonna watch it again just so I'm I'm not
inaccurate on what I'm I'm feeling.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
TJ. Like, I counted at least.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Three seconds where he had his nutsack on his man
on his head.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Disrespectful man. You don't do those type of things man like,
and if you do, there's gonna be consequences like that.
It's just disrespectful. Period.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
First off, I understand that you get you get ejected for.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Hitting them out.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I get that.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I get that, I get that. But you are looking
at this guy and you're saying he's finishing blocks and
what he's been finishing blocks all day, and you're praising
this dude for how he's playing and how physical he's
playing when he's exuding a leude act. Like you said,
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I'm a man first, like I don't know what advice
I give to my child and that moment, because they
always get the second guy.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
They always get the second guy in.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
These situations, if you feel that you've been disrespected, because
we're playing football, very very rarely do you feel like
somebody disrespected you. You may get beat and he may
man handle you or he may win that rep, but
that's not disrespectful. You just lost. But if you feel
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like you're been you've been disrespected, as a man, you
do what you feel you gotta do.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
But here's I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna say this, TJ.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Because when I played, I was I was a shit talker,
Like I'm gonna talk bad to you, and I'm not
talking bad to you. Maybe a few times, a few
times the dude I was talking bad to I really
didn't like them. Maybe like on one handful of guys,
I really just personally I did not like them.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
So what I was saying to them was both personal.
But I'm talk.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
If we're telling words, I can give you words right back,
if we're going, if it's right, I can give you
right back right. But you can't just oh, I'm gonna
keep him right. You can't put you're not no.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
But then you stay. You stayed there, You stay, you stay.
You got up on him and you stayed there.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Ain't no way and ain't no way, ain't no way,
ain't no way, not now, not netta.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I ain't never gonna be that guy. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I got to get mine and and and maybe that's
maybe that's saying you don't have the type of control
to be the proper leader of young men.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
But if I'm raising a man, and that means sacrifices
being the proper leader of young men in a moment
where another man put his nutsack on the top of
your helmet, and stay and keep in mind this is
during the course of a game.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
So you know, dude, you know he put all that stink.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
On the bar. If that's your son and he doesn't respond,
he gonna hear I'm.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I'm gonna try to beat my own son if my
son allows somebody to do that to him.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Very simple.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I'd rather the video show me fist, forearm, whatever it
is that Turner did to that young man in that moment.
Then to be able to say, son, you exercise great restraint.
Look at that, Look at your self control, sir. I
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self controlled.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Damn that.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
I don't want any that's just damn people that. Oh
you gotta be the bigger man. You you have to
keep your cool. Nah, not in that situation. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
So what you think should happen? He got suspended for
the game? Should should the other kids? Should Petties be suspended?
Should they come back and make this right?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
You know they're not gonna do that that They're they're
gonna leave it as is because they're going to act
like they don't understand what he was doing. It wasn't malicious,
it wasn't with intent, which it was.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Oh, that's just malicious.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
And if you're gonna act like that ain't intent or
malicious intent, you should be evaluated for having the decision
making ability at that position in particular, because that.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I mean, that's not hard at all.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I don't believe anything will happen because the powers that be,
they're gonna say he didn't do anything wrong, which they
know he did. Uh So, yeah, I think it's it's over.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
They better suspend him, if you ask me, they bet
y'all better suspend him for putting his nuts on another
man's head and keeping them there. You're better suspending. That's
all I'm gonna say. Let's move on. Let's stay at
the college football level, because a lot was going on
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Caleb Williams. We've been talking about him. He's been a
large topic in college football and in football in sports
in general.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Big story. They continue to lose.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
They finally fired the guy you were talking about, the
defensive coordinator, has not coached defense since he's been coaching defense,
and now it's caught up to him doesn't.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Have a job.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
They lose, USC loses, and Caleb Williams does a lambeau
leap into the stands. He lambeau leaps into his mom's arms,
after which he starts sobbing, crying in the stands, sitting
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on the wall in his mom's arms, with his mom
covering him up with a sign. Then he grabs the
sign and he further covers himself up so that he
could cry with his mom. What are you thinking, what's
your first reaction?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I was shocked, honestly, because we've never seen that, never
in one thousand percent because of who he is. You know,
the camera's on you.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
You know the cavers on you, TJ, you know the cameras.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
On the cameras on them, and that's why we cover
up the face. But I looked at it as it
was an organic moment. Man. I don't believe it was
planned and premeditated. How man, I just felt.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Like I don't either. I don't think it was planned
to premeditate it. I just thought it was soft as
it could be.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
But he put so much into that game. That's what
that told me.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
How many dudes you see John, A lot of dudes
put on the game. How many dudes is John Lambo leaping?
How many dudes is leaping into the stage crowd.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
So much into that game to come out on the
losing end again and it's on the backs of that
defense again. You see what I'm saying. It's it's the
same song and dance. It's the same ending, just a
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different book in the book. The different book is an opponent.
We do well. We perform on offense. Our defense can't
stop anybody. I tweeted this last night or no Saturday,
USC would still be in college football playoff contention if
they had any defensive coordinator in the Pac twelve that's
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not named, they would still be in contention. If he
wasn't there as a coordinator. And what really showed me
was when he came out and said I hadn't seen
that will route on film when they played Utah Alex Grinch,
they ran it the week before against cal Are you
really watching film? Are you really watching the film? And
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so Alex Grinch's defense has cost USC an opportunity at
two seasons that could have been historic with a quarterback
that many believe is one of the best college football
quarterbacks ever. And you have nothing to show for it.
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And like I said, you are out here. These kids
at Sea's lucky they fired them because they wouldn't have
got They would have had no top defensive recruits in
southern California had Alex Grinch been their defensive coordinator. These
dudes was going to decommit and they were not going
to USC. So if they lucky, they fired him because
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they would have lost out on a lot of mad
Reardon who goes to Sierra Canyon. He just committed to
USC about forty five minutes after they fired Grinch, one
of the top DB's in the country. About forty five minutes.
I remember Madden was a little kid starting corner at
Sierra Canyon, can run, smart, comes from a good family.
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He just committed. Is that a coincidence or not?
Speaker 2 (14:31):
I don't know, man. I think the defense has stunk
under Undergrinch. I agree with you there, but my focus
is on appearance and spectacles. Like bro, when you on top,
you on top, my gie, you on top, you on top.
There have been plenty of times where you was on
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top and you could have leaped into them stands.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
He said, the exact way, and he did.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
He would do that a lot. He wouldn't. He hugg
his mom, talked to his dad and walk off. Hey,
but you know what I'm saying, You can't grind when
you win and sing the blues when you lose. Is
that what you're saying? Is that what you're saying you
can't grind when you win and sing them.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
All I'm saying is all I'm saying is is if
I'm going to outward like I'm not. First off, I
know that wasn't choreographed. I know that wasn't predetermined. That
was in the moment he wanted to hug his mom.
He jumped up there to hug his mom, and he
had his moment like, yeah, I get that. I'm Caleb Williams.
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I'm considered largely in part to be one of the greatest,
if not the greatest, college quarterbacks while I'm still playing.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Am I wrong for being Maybe this is old school?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Maybe this doesn't apply to twenty twenty three, Cause, my god,
I know that this world seems to be a very
very different place that we live in nowadays, very acceptable
to accept.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
If that, Matt, if that means anything? Am I wrong? Now?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
We just asked what the advice would be to your
child if he got some nuts slapped on his head
and they kept him on his head out an extended
amount of time.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
What would you do?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Now here's a moment where I'd ask, what's the advice
you give your child? If that was your son, if
that was Crewe and you know Crews accomplished.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Well, he's accomplished at this point as.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
We were making a Caleb Caleb Williams career in college
and you're standing there with your lovely wife and your
baby jumps up into the stands and starts bawling uncontrollably
and covers his face with his mom.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
What you say, boy, you know the camera's on. You
get your button in that locker room. You're gonna play
another game. Let's not do this out here right now.
I know this hurts, It should hurt because you put
a lot into this, But don't let them see you
like this. Don't let them see you like this. And
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I would have told you been going to the locker room.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Let me first by saying, warriors can cry.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Crying in public, to me, is such a sign of
strength more than it as a sign of weakness.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Warriors can cry. Let me first start off by saying
that a warrior can cry. But my advice to my
son in that moment, you cross them lines first and foremost.
This is what I teach my kids and anybody I coach.
We've coached together, so you know this how I roll,
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I turn into somebody in something totally different. Once I
cross them white lines. You cross them white lines. It's
the Serengetti. The Serengetti is a national wildlife reserve where
wild animals.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Isn't crazy like how certain people don't transform them like
it's crazy because I know when I played, I was
just like I was, I don't know, bro, just turn
into somebody else. It was weird, brou I'd be like,
I don't know, yeah, I get that.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Game.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Game.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Look, we come off the game, phelp, Hey, how y'all
do it? And that might be crazy. We might be
the ones that are crazy. We might truly be the
one that are compartmentalizing crazy. But I'd be damn if
I had my son not compartmentalizing crazy. In the moments
of being a warrior versus being a child, It's okay
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to be a child. It's okay to be emotionally emotionally
you know, dreamed, or emotionally distraught or defeat it. But
you do not show the world your weakness. Do not
show weakness at any point in time when you have
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shown to be the strong that you have been all along.
And that's what I would be telling now in the moment,
in the moment I'm gonna grab my son and be like,
gut up, son, Like, gut it up you all right,
suck it up, gut it up, like, get down, dry
your eyes and go be a leader.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
That's what I was saying to me because of how
our generation grew up. Gut it up. Don't do this
for him. For him, Caleb Williams, to get that out.
That's a good thing because you get that. I think
there's a listen, there's a time. You get that out right.
Now he's over it. Now, he's over it because he
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let all of that out. It's not gonna be all
that pent up frustration inside. He let it out. He
goes in into the locker room. He wakes up on Sunday,
which was yesterday. He feels good when he wakes up
on Sunday. He felt good because he didn't hold all
of that in. He got that.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
You don't have to do it in front of the
entire world. When you know the entire world.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Is watching you.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
You do not have to do it in front of
the entire world.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
I agree with that, but sometimes I used to see
I've had moments, I've had movements.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
And you and I both know if my parents are
out of game, if my parents are at a game,
If your parents were out of game and of your
loved ones were at a game, when's the one time, namely,
one time you did not see them and was not
able to hug them and love on them before you
even got on the bus or went to where you
were going. Name one time where you weren't able to
see your family when they came to your game and
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you did not see them in the in the in
the tunnel, in the in the.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Tailgate area, wherever it is. Name one time where you
didn't see them.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Every game, but every game. That's the emotion that he
had right then and there. I wouldn't have done it,
But I don't fault him for that because I don't
know how he was raised. He may be raised to
where he's been taught. If you feel a certain way,
you express that, and that's how he felt.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I don't, And there's nothing again, I don't think there's
anything wrong with expressing how you feel.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
I don't. I really don't.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
So I may come across as a look at tad
bit like, well, which one is it?
Speaker 1 (21:30):
LeVar.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
I don't have a problem with that. I just had
a problem with that. I do have a problem. I
have a problem with you being this sturdy human being
that has won the heisman, that has been a generational
transcending of the game, of the sport and the nil era,
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and a player, and you're weeping your week like you
you leap into the stands and you're in a fetal
position with your mom crying while they cover your face up.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
I didn't like it. Now, that's just me personally.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I felt like someone of his caliber and his stature
and what he's accomplished, do it somewhere else. For everything
that you represent, for everything that you stand for, where
you're heading, where you're going. You're about to go into
a locker room full of grown ass men and lead
them as a rookie next year, do it somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
I'm you're a leader. I mean, he can still be
a leader and cry. That doesn't make him less of
a leader.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I don't like it. I just don't like it. I
don't like the optics of it. I just don't like it.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
It could be a personal thing, but I just think
times have changed.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I don't like that. You're a warrior, a warrior.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Come from our generation that don't like it. I'm not
saying I like it. But to me, when you can
do that publicly, it's such a sign of strength because
I'm not afraid to be vulnerable knowing that they can.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
It's not the act of crying. It's not the act
of crying. It's the act of jumping. It's the act
of doing it in public the way that.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
You did it.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
You could cry, you could cry, you can shed tears
in public for losing the game. But you're gonna jump
into your mom's arms, and your mom's just holding you
like you a baby. Like she was holding him like
he was like five months old, bro fresh out the womb.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
She was holding him like he was fresh out the womb.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
TJ always be a mother man, always.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
All she had to do, all she had to do
was pull out a big ass, big boy bottle with
a passi fire nipple on it and put it in
his mouth. And and he's went back to his childhood,
his baby years of development. That's all he was short
of was either breast milk or similac. It was one
of the two. But that was the only thing that
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separated him from being a baby in that moment.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
And I ain't like it. I just I didn't like it.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I probably will get get pilayed on social media for
this take. People are going to say, you're you're a fake,
You're a fake, tough guy, all that stuff. I'm really not.
I'm really not. I believe in showing your emotions. If
he had cried, like see your mom, like you have tears,
come down, okay, But to be held in a fetal position,
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you dove up there and you're and you're being held
in a fetal position, dog.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
I just don't know, and hanging off the side his mom.
Come home, Bro, did you say it?
Speaker 1 (24:47):
The fet position?
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Dog?
Speaker 3 (24:49):
God?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Fetal position? Go check out the film fetal position.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Oh God, look at it.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Let's look at it. Let's look at it again. Here,
let's look at it again. I'm sorry, man, you got
to do better.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
TJ. You got to do better, TJ. You into Sarah Getty.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Lies don't cry.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
When they're into Sarregatty and they missed their food for today.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
They go hungry. I'm hungry. I don't go crying to mama.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Hey, I ain't.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Gonna looking for mama lying this. I gotta go try
to hunt again.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Experiencing that since you've come to usc Okay, I don't blame.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
You might cry. You might cry.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Yeah, I don't blame them. Why not?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah? Speaking of speaking of defense, let's transition to our
last topic of conversation. The Commanders and in their game
against the Patriots, you had a d defensive of player
that that was on a pass rush gets to the
quarterback and it looks like it's a sack, like it's
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a routine sack of the quarterback, and it's a roughing
the passer fifteen yard penalty.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Here we're down at ten.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Shows take him down back of the forty eight yard line.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
There's a flag.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Personal file roughing the passer defense fifty five.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
TJ. Husman Zada. I've been saying this for quite some time.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Just don't just just admit you don't want your quarterbacks
getting hurt. You don't want them getting touched. You don't
want them getting touched. So stop so so stop having
them get touched. If you get if you can touch,
like one hand tag, if I can touch the quarterback
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he's down, I'm sorry, let's.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Make it one hand tag and be one hand. But
it should be really to the point where if you
can get two firm hands on him, he's down because
too many times, even if you watch when a quarterback
is running on the sideline Pat mahons, and these guys
will act like they're gonna run out of bounds and
keep running and run or.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Are they going to act like a are they gonna
act like they're gonna full back pull it down?
Speaker 3 (27:34):
But have been told err on the side of caution,
and caution is we want to keep the quarterbacks healthy.
We want to keep them healthy. But too many times
these penalties are costing teams games. And when you cost
the team a game you're caught, you're possibly costing their
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coach his livelihood because they get or play. So I
don't like it, but this is where we are. They
don't want quarter back And so you got a one
hand because you can just reach out to two hands.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
A yeah, if you if you're gonna sit there and
judge these dudes off of what you're judging them off
of right now, make it one.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Hand test today And Josh Allen is scrambling to the right.
He's about and he gets some yards. The DN really
could have blew him up, and he tried to crack
and he broke the tackle and got like ten more yards.
But if he blows them up, that's a penalty. And
it's almost as if they don't care if the quarterbacks
(28:45):
get extra yards or act like you're running out of bounds,
uh or run.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
You over, put their shoulder down, run through your life.
Look got how tough Josh Allen is on that run.
He's a big, rumbling, stumbling QB. Look at that he
can run them. Come on, man, get out of here.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
But I will say this, They've been saying this since
these rules, this rule has been implemented. They want the
quarterback healthy. They don't want the starting quarterback to be hurt,
and so it will never be too hand touched. How
do you tackle them? I don't know. You can't hit him.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
The referees need to start blowing it dead before the
tackler get the pass rusher, the defender gets to the quarterback,
can't get.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
The low Where can you hit them?
Speaker 2 (29:37):
You can't hit them, bru the strike zone is so small.
And then on top of that, what do you do
once you strike them, because now they're throwing penalties on
follow through. You take him down and you follow through
it to him, it's a flag, Like what are you like?
Speaker 1 (29:53):
What?
Speaker 2 (29:54):
What Man, there's nobody else on the field that if
you hit that way, not a receiver, tight end, receiver,
if you hit that way, a running back, No nobody
else on the field that if you hit that way,
you're getting a flag.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
So why are you singling it out to one?
Speaker 3 (30:11):
I remember running the slant route, man, and I didn't
get the ball. They threw it to the other side.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Man.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
The motherfucking safety hit me so hard, bro I got
up ready to fight. I didn't even get the ball.
Never forget Roy Williams and he was playing the Cowboys,
and nowadays he would probably get thrown out the game
for that hit. Because the ball it had to come
to me any smoke.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
That was how football was supposed to be played.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Oh, I was pissed.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
You know how Bruh? You know how many crossers I
assassinated in my life?
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Bruh?
Speaker 2 (30:44):
A lot A lot of assassinations took place where they
didn't even have the ball and the ball went away.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
A lot a lot of that is mental warfare.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
I got, I've gotten linemen, I've gotten every other position
from tight end to running backs and even and even
quarterbacks if you run down and even punters if you
come into the serengetti where the wildlife is free to hunt,
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then you're either gonna be the hunter or you're gonna
be the hunted. That's what happens in between them white lines.
And if you don't understand that it's that serious when
you come in between them lines, then you have no
business being out there. I hate that there's all these
mixed signals of how a defender is supposed to play
the game of football as it applies to making hits.
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I saw some plays called flagrance and targeting. I saw
same type of play where it wasn't called.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I listen.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
I'm not one to jump out at the referees and say.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
This, that and the other.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
They got a tough job, I get it, But can
we please figure out am I allowed to hint?
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Am I out to be be physical or not?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Because that dude that put his nuts on on that
young man's head, he was being lodded.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
And praised for being physical and finishing.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
But yet, but yet, when you respond, when you respond
or when you come back, because it doesn't even have
to be the punching in the nuts that that's the response.
You could have come off the ball and made that
play that the Commanders did on Mac Jones to get
your get right and your get back, and you're getting
flagged fifteen yards first down in a penalty that, as
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you mentioned, could cost a team the game and some
critical points doing the game.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Commanders won the game and that play didn't impact them
winning or losing. That's a good thing, but it.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Has these calls on quarterbacks, haven't oh, for sure games
and for sure games, for sure games.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Big game. All right, Well, let's see how it all
plays out.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
I wonder if if Micah Pettis is going to get suspended.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
I want to see if that happens.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I'm leading the charge on a petition for that, a petition.
I'm petitioning for you to have to sit down. There's
no room for that in this game. You do not
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put your nuts on another man's head.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
In this game. There's no respect at all, not for
the game, not for the player, not for yourself.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
There's no respect when you drop your sack on a
man's head like that and keep them there.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I just don't. I don't bang with that at all.
I don't bang with that at all. Listen, as far
as with Caleb Williams TJ. You know everybody.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Everybody's got their own way of doing their things. I
don't bang with that either. I don't bang with that either.
I'll hug my mama and I'll cry on her shoulder,
away from the cameras, away from all that attention. I'm
gonna hug my mama and I'm gonna cry, and i'm
gonna tell her I'm sorry, I'll let you down, or
whatever it is that.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
I may have felt in that moment.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I'm gonna hug, hug my dad, hold my dad, dap
my dad up, whatever it may be. Not doing it
in front of the cameras, not doing it in front
of the cameras for a multitude of reasons, I don't
bang with it.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
And thirdly, allow them cats to be professionals.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
And if they work their asses off to get to
the quarterback, by dang it, then let that man finish
the play. It's all I'm saying. Yeah, I'm upset. It's
an upset Monday. I'm upset.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
TJ.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
No.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
I I the last point, the first and last. I
agree with the middle not so much.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Okay, Okay, that's it. That's all. You're going.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Go ahead and lay in that fetal position in your
mama's arm and get that breast milk my dog.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
You go ahead and do what you need to do.
That's t J.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
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Speaker 3 (35:24):
As this dude said, the fetal position
What's up?
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
All right, uh, TJ. Let's jump right.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Into this man the Old Miss Game and Texas A
and M. In the game, you have Shamar Turner who
gets ejected for a personal foul, like a flagrant personal
foul because a lineman named Micah Pettis basically did an
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obscene act and gesture to Shamar Turner.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Bag them.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Well, well, okay, let's take a look at the tea bagging.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Why Shamar Turner was ejected.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Jordan, Oh, look, Mike Copettis has been finishing blocks like
this all game and watch Turner get up with the
frustration of this.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
There, Okay, TJ.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I gotta tell you, man, if I'm giving advice to
my child on what mikeah Pettis did to Shamar Turner.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
I say, what TJ. You're a man first. That that's
first and foremost. You are a man first. You never
let nobody disrespect you like that. Me personally, you know,
in the game of football, you can't throw punk punches
the consequences of what come from that, and so you
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punch him in a helmet. He ain't gonna fill it.
This gonna hurt your hand more than anything. You tried
to hit him, which I thought would have dropped him,
and it didn't. Then is private, uh, And it didn't
drop him, so you obviously didn't hit him there either
me me personally, we would have fought after the game.
(02:17):
We would have fought after the game. I would have
been right at his locker room waiting on him. I've
done that before, waited on somebody at the locker room.
And so and I'm did it happen?
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Did the lockows happened? Did you ever have a time
you waited.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
And security wouldn't allow it, because you know every team
has security, And then they got the police officers that
worked the games. But I was so angry that I
was like, I don't care what happened. He gonna have
to beat my ass, they gonna have to jump me.
But somebody gonna feel this, and that was it was
just it was just blatantly disrespectful to me. They both
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should have been at like, you can't disrespect somebody like
that and act like you didn't. I hate that You're
the aggressor and now you want to play the victim.
What did I do? Why do he do this to me?
I didn't even do anything to him, Like, now you
were the aggressor, you initiated it. But me personally, yeah,
I would have tried to meet him in the locker room.
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Better better hope I don't see him an off season.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
When you listen to the video and they air the video,
the broadcasters don't even acknowledge what might because all the
articles that I read, their conditions, all the articles that
I read, nobody says anything about what Micah Pettis did.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
And it's the most blatant.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
It's one like you could It's as disrespectful as spitting
in my face.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
You put your nuts on this man head, like.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Think about this.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
If somebody was to disrespect my mama or were to
spit in my face, those are the two things you
could call me a N word to my face, you
could call it. You could pretty much do anything you want,
and my self control is good, Like I'm good. Like
you're not gonna You're not gonna pull it out of me,
put your ball sack on my head, player out of you.
(04:25):
It's a different story. It's a different story. I'm sorry.
And not one person had the frame of mind that's
writing about it, or even in the moment where you're like, oh,
Pettis is finishing blocks, daughter, dog, look at the way
he's finishing blocks. Look here, you can finish a block.
You pancake the them. Okay, no problem. But not only
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did you get up and put your sack on his head,
you remained there like I was given account.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I'm gonna watch it again.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I'm gonna watch it again just so I'm I'm not
inaccurate on what I'm I'm feeling.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
TJ. Like, I counted at least.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Three seconds where he had his nutsack on his man
on his head.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Disrespectful man. You don't do those type of things man like,
and if you do, there's gonna be consequences like that.
It's just disrespectful. Period.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
First off, I understand that you get you get ejected for.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Hitting them out.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I get that.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I get that, I get that. But you are looking
at this guy and you're saying he's finishing blocks and
what he's been finishing blocks all day, and you're praising
this dude for how he's playing and how physical he's
playing when he's exuding a leude act. Like you said,
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I'm a man first, like I don't know what advice
I give to my child and that moment, because they
always get the second guy.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
They always get the second guy in.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
These situations, if you feel that you've been disrespected, because
we're playing football, very very rarely do you feel like
somebody disrespected you. You may get beat and he may
man handle you or he may win that rep, but
that's not disrespectful. You just lost. But if you feel
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like you're been you've been disrespected, as a man, you
do what you feel you gotta do.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
But here's I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna say this, TJ.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Because when I played, I was I was a shit talker,
Like I'm gonna talk bad to you, and I'm not
talking bad to you. Maybe a few times, a few
times the dude I was talking bad to I really
didn't like them. Maybe like on one handful of guys,
I really just personally I did not like them.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
So what I was saying to them was both personal.
But I'm talk.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
If we're telling words, I can give you words right back,
if we're going, if it's right, I can give you
right back right. But you can't just oh, I'm gonna
keep him right. You can't put you're not no.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
But then you stay. You stayed there, You stay, you stay.
You got up on him and you stayed there.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Ain't no way and ain't no way, ain't no way,
ain't no way, not now, not netta.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I ain't never gonna be that guy. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I got to get mine and and and maybe that's
maybe that's saying you don't have the type of control
to be the proper leader of young men.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
But if I'm raising a man, and that means sacrifices
being the proper leader of young men in a moment
where another man put his nutsack on the top of
your helmet, and stay and keep in mind this is
during the course of a game.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
So you know, dude, you know he put all that stink.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
On the bar. If that's your son and he doesn't respond,
he gonna hear I'm.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I'm gonna try to beat my own son if my
son allows somebody to do that to him.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Very simple.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I'd rather the video show me fist, forearm, whatever it
is that Turner did to that young man in that moment.
Then to be able to say, son, you exercise great restraint.
Look at that, Look at your self control, sir. I
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self controlled.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Damn that.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
I don't want any that's just damn people that. Oh
you gotta be the bigger man. You you have to
keep your cool. Nah, not in that situation. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
So what you think should happen? He got suspended for
the game? Should should the other kids? Should Petties be suspended?
Should they come back and make this right?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
You know they're not gonna do that that They're they're
gonna leave it as is because they're going to act
like they don't understand what he was doing. It wasn't malicious,
it wasn't with intent, which it was.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Oh, that's just malicious.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
And if you're gonna act like that ain't intent or
malicious intent, you should be evaluated for having the decision
making ability at that position in particular, because that.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I mean, that's not hard at all.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I don't believe anything will happen because the powers that be,
they're gonna say he didn't do anything wrong, which they
know he did. Uh So, yeah, I think it's it's over.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
They better suspend him, if you ask me, they bet
y'all better suspend him for putting his nuts on another
man's head and keeping them there. You're better suspending. That's
all I'm gonna say. Let's move on. Let's stay at
the college football level, because a lot was going on
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Caleb Williams. We've been talking about him. He's been a
large topic in college football and in football in sports
in general.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Big story. They continue to lose.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
They finally fired the guy you were talking about, the
defensive coordinator, has not coached defense since he's been coaching defense,
and now it's caught up to him doesn't.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Have a job.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
They lose, USC loses, and Caleb Williams does a lambeau
leap into the stands. He lambeau leaps into his mom's arms,
after which he starts sobbing, crying in the stands, sitting
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on the wall in his mom's arms, with his mom
covering him up with a sign. Then he grabs the
sign and he further covers himself up so that he
could cry with his mom. What are you thinking, what's
your first reaction?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I was shocked, honestly, because we've never seen that, never
in one thousand percent because of who he is. You know,
the camera's on you.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
You know the cavers on you, TJ, you know the cameras.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
On the cameras on them, and that's why we cover
up the face. But I looked at it as it
was an organic moment. Man. I don't believe it was
planned and premeditated. How man, I just felt.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Like I don't either. I don't think it was planned
to premeditate it. I just thought it was soft as
it could be.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
But he put so much into that game. That's what
that told me.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
How many dudes you see John, A lot of dudes
put on the game. How many dudes is John Lambo leaping?
How many dudes is leaping into the stage crowd.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
So much into that game to come out on the
losing end again and it's on the backs of that
defense again. You see what I'm saying. It's it's the
same song and dance. It's the same ending, just a
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different book in the book. The different book is an opponent.
We do well. We perform on offense. Our defense can't
stop anybody. I tweeted this last night or no Saturday,
USC would still be in college football playoff contention if
they had any defensive coordinator in the Pac twelve that's
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not named, they would still be in contention. If he
wasn't there as a coordinator. And what really showed me
was when he came out and said I hadn't seen
that will route on film when they played Utah Alex Grinch,
they ran it the week before against cal Are you
really watching film? Are you really watching the film? And
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so Alex Grinch's defense has cost USC an opportunity at
two seasons that could have been historic with a quarterback
that many believe is one of the best college football
quarterbacks ever. And you have nothing to show for it.
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And like I said, you are out here. These kids
at Sea's lucky they fired them because they wouldn't have
got They would have had no top defensive recruits in
southern California had Alex Grinch been their defensive coordinator. These
dudes was going to decommit and they were not going
to USC. So if they lucky, they fired him because
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they would have lost out on a lot of mad
Reardon who goes to Sierra Canyon. He just committed to
USC about forty five minutes after they fired Grinch, one
of the top DB's in the country. About forty five minutes.
I remember Madden was a little kid starting corner at
Sierra Canyon, can run, smart, comes from a good family.
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He just committed. Is that a coincidence or not?
Speaker 2 (14:31):
I don't know, man. I think the defense has stunk
under Undergrinch. I agree with you there, but my focus
is on appearance and spectacles. Like bro, when you on top,
you on top, my gie, you on top, you on top.
There have been plenty of times where you was on
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top and you could have leaped into them stands.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
He said, the exact way, and he did.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
He would do that a lot. He wouldn't. He hugg
his mom, talked to his dad and walk off. Hey,
but you know what I'm saying, You can't grind when
you win and sing the blues when you lose. Is
that what you're saying? Is that what you're saying you
can't grind when you win and sing them.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
All I'm saying is all I'm saying is is if
I'm going to outward like I'm not. First off, I
know that wasn't choreographed. I know that wasn't predetermined. That
was in the moment he wanted to hug his mom.
He jumped up there to hug his mom, and he
had his moment like, yeah, I get that. I'm Caleb Williams.
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I'm considered largely in part to be one of the greatest,
if not the greatest, college quarterbacks while I'm still playing.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Am I wrong for being Maybe this is old school?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Maybe this doesn't apply to twenty twenty three, Cause, my god,
I know that this world seems to be a very
very different place that we live in nowadays, very acceptable
to accept.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
If that, Matt, if that means anything? Am I wrong? Now?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
We just asked what the advice would be to your
child if he got some nuts slapped on his head
and they kept him on his head out an extended
amount of time.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
What would you do?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Now here's a moment where I'd ask, what's the advice
you give your child? If that was your son, if
that was Crewe and you know Crews accomplished.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Well, he's accomplished at this point as.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
We were making a Caleb Caleb Williams career in college
and you're standing there with your lovely wife and your
baby jumps up into the stands and starts bawling uncontrollably
and covers his face with his mom.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
What you say, boy, you know the camera's on. You
get your button in that locker room. You're gonna play
another game. Let's not do this out here right now.
I know this hurts, It should hurt because you put
a lot into this, But don't let them see you
like this. Don't let them see you like this. And
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I would have told you been going to the locker room.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Let me first by saying, warriors can cry.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Crying in public, to me, is such a sign of
strength more than it as a sign of weakness.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Warriors can cry. Let me first start off by saying
that a warrior can cry. But my advice to my
son in that moment, you cross them lines first and foremost.
This is what I teach my kids and anybody I coach.
We've coached together, so you know this how I roll,
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I turn into somebody in something totally different. Once I
cross them white lines. You cross them white lines. It's
the Serengetti. The Serengetti is a national wildlife reserve where
wild animals.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Isn't crazy like how certain people don't transform them like
it's crazy because I know when I played, I was
just like I was, I don't know, bro, just turn
into somebody else. It was weird, brou I'd be like,
I don't know, yeah, I get that.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Game.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Game.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Look, we come off the game, phelp, Hey, how y'all
do it? And that might be crazy. We might be
the ones that are crazy. We might truly be the
one that are compartmentalizing crazy. But I'd be damn if
I had my son not compartmentalizing crazy. In the moments
of being a warrior versus being a child, It's okay
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to be a child. It's okay to be emotionally emotionally
you know, dreamed, or emotionally distraught or defeat it. But
you do not show the world your weakness. Do not
show weakness at any point in time when you have
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shown to be the strong that you have been all along.
And that's what I would be telling now in the moment,
in the moment I'm gonna grab my son and be like,
gut up, son, Like, gut it up you all right,
suck it up, gut it up, like, get down, dry
your eyes and go be a leader.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
That's what I was saying to me because of how
our generation grew up. Gut it up. Don't do this
for him. For him, Caleb Williams, to get that out.
That's a good thing because you get that. I think
there's a listen, there's a time. You get that out right.
Now he's over it. Now, he's over it because he
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let all of that out. It's not gonna be all
that pent up frustration inside. He let it out. He
goes in into the locker room. He wakes up on Sunday,
which was yesterday. He feels good when he wakes up
on Sunday. He felt good because he didn't hold all
of that in. He got that.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
You don't have to do it in front of the
entire world. When you know the entire world.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Is watching you.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
You do not have to do it in front of
the entire world.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
I agree with that, but sometimes I used to see
I've had moments, I've had movements.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
And you and I both know if my parents are
out of game, if my parents are at a game,
If your parents were out of game and of your
loved ones were at a game, when's the one time, namely,
one time you did not see them and was not
able to hug them and love on them before you
even got on the bus or went to where you
were going. Name one time where you weren't able to
see your family when they came to your game and
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you did not see them in the in the in
the tunnel, in the in the.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Tailgate area, wherever it is. Name one time where you
didn't see them.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Every game, but every game. That's the emotion that he
had right then and there. I wouldn't have done it,
But I don't fault him for that because I don't
know how he was raised. He may be raised to
where he's been taught. If you feel a certain way,
you express that, and that's how he felt.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I don't, And there's nothing again, I don't think there's
anything wrong with expressing how you feel.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
I don't. I really don't.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
So I may come across as a look at tad
bit like, well, which one is it?
Speaker 1 (21:30):
LeVar.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
I don't have a problem with that. I just had
a problem with that. I do have a problem. I
have a problem with you being this sturdy human being
that has won the heisman, that has been a generational
transcending of the game, of the sport and the nil era,
(21:52):
and a player, and you're weeping your week like you
you leap into the stands and you're in a fetal
position with your mom crying while they cover your face up.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
I didn't like it. Now, that's just me personally.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I felt like someone of his caliber and his stature
and what he's accomplished, do it somewhere else. For everything
that you represent, for everything that you stand for, where
you're heading, where you're going. You're about to go into
a locker room full of grown ass men and lead
them as a rookie next year, do it somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
I'm you're a leader. I mean, he can still be
a leader and cry. That doesn't make him less of
a leader.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I don't like it. I just don't like it. I
don't like the optics of it. I just don't like it.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
It could be a personal thing, but I just think
times have changed.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I don't like that. You're a warrior, a warrior.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Come from our generation that don't like it. I'm not
saying I like it. But to me, when you can
do that publicly, it's such a sign of strength because
I'm not afraid to be vulnerable knowing that they can.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
It's not the act of crying. It's not the act
of crying. It's the act of jumping. It's the act
of doing it in public the way that.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
You did it.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
You could cry, you could cry, you can shed tears
in public for losing the game. But you're gonna jump
into your mom's arms, and your mom's just holding you
like you a baby. Like she was holding him like
he was like five months old, bro fresh out the womb.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
She was holding him like he was fresh out the womb.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
TJ always be a mother man, always.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
All she had to do, all she had to do
was pull out a big ass, big boy bottle with
a passi fire nipple on it and put it in
his mouth. And and he's went back to his childhood,
his baby years of development. That's all he was short
of was either breast milk or similac. It was one
of the two. But that was the only thing that
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separated him from being a baby in that moment.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
And I ain't like it. I just I didn't like it.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I probably will get get pilayed on social media for
this take. People are going to say, you're you're a fake,
You're a fake, tough guy, all that stuff. I'm really not.
I'm really not. I believe in showing your emotions. If
he had cried, like see your mom, like you have tears,
come down, okay, But to be held in a fetal position,
(24:28):
you dove up there and you're and you're being held
in a fetal position, dog.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
I just don't know, and hanging off the side his mom.
Come home, Bro, did you say it?
Speaker 1 (24:47):
The fet position?
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Dog?
Speaker 3 (24:49):
God?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Fetal position? Go check out the film fetal position.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Oh God, look at it.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Let's look at it. Let's look at it again. Here,
let's look at it again. I'm sorry, man, you got
to do better.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
TJ. You got to do better, TJ. You into Sarah Getty.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Lies don't cry.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
When they're into Sarregatty and they missed their food for today.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
They go hungry. I'm hungry. I don't go crying to mama.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Hey, I ain't.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Gonna looking for mama lying this. I gotta go try
to hunt again.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Experiencing that since you've come to usc Okay, I don't blame.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
You might cry. You might cry.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Yeah, I don't blame them. Why not?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah? Speaking of speaking of defense, let's transition to our
last topic of conversation. The Commanders and in their game
against the Patriots, you had a d defensive of player
that that was on a pass rush gets to the
quarterback and it looks like it's a sack, like it's
(26:11):
a routine sack of the quarterback, and it's a roughing
the passer fifteen yard penalty.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Here we're down at ten.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Shows take him down back of the forty eight yard line.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
There's a flag.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Personal file roughing the passer defense fifty five.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
TJ. Husman Zada. I've been saying this for quite some time.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Just don't just just admit you don't want your quarterbacks
getting hurt. You don't want them getting touched. You don't
want them getting touched. So stop so so stop having
them get touched. If you get if you can touch,
like one hand tag, if I can touch the quarterback
(27:02):
he's down, I'm sorry, let's.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Make it one hand tag and be one hand. But
it should be really to the point where if you
can get two firm hands on him, he's down because
too many times, even if you watch when a quarterback
is running on the sideline Pat mahons, and these guys
will act like they're gonna run out of bounds and
keep running and run or.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Are they going to act like a are they gonna
act like they're gonna full back pull it down?
Speaker 3 (27:34):
But have been told err on the side of caution,
and caution is we want to keep the quarterbacks healthy.
We want to keep them healthy. But too many times
these penalties are costing teams games. And when you cost
the team a game you're caught, you're possibly costing their
(27:57):
coach his livelihood because they get or play. So I
don't like it, but this is where we are. They
don't want quarter back And so you got a one
hand because you can just reach out to two hands.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
A yeah, if you if you're gonna sit there and
judge these dudes off of what you're judging them off
of right now, make it one.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Hand test today And Josh Allen is scrambling to the right.
He's about and he gets some yards. The DN really
could have blew him up, and he tried to crack
and he broke the tackle and got like ten more yards.
But if he blows them up, that's a penalty. And
it's almost as if they don't care if the quarterbacks
(28:45):
get extra yards or act like you're running out of bounds,
uh or run.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
You over, put their shoulder down, run through your life.
Look got how tough Josh Allen is on that run.
He's a big, rumbling, stumbling QB. Look at that he
can run them. Come on, man, get out of here.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
But I will say this, They've been saying this since
these rules, this rule has been implemented. They want the
quarterback healthy. They don't want the starting quarterback to be hurt,
and so it will never be too hand touched. How
do you tackle them? I don't know. You can't hit him.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
The referees need to start blowing it dead before the
tackler get the pass rusher, the defender gets to the quarterback,
can't get.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
The low Where can you hit them?
Speaker 2 (29:37):
You can't hit them, bru the strike zone is so small.
And then on top of that, what do you do
once you strike them, because now they're throwing penalties on
follow through. You take him down and you follow through
it to him, it's a flag, Like what are you like?
Speaker 1 (29:53):
What?
Speaker 2 (29:54):
What Man, there's nobody else on the field that if
you hit that way, not a receiver, tight end, receiver,
if you hit that way, a running back, No nobody
else on the field that if you hit that way,
you're getting a flag.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
So why are you singling it out to one?
Speaker 3 (30:11):
I remember running the slant route, man, and I didn't
get the ball. They threw it to the other side.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Man.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
The motherfucking safety hit me so hard, bro I got
up ready to fight. I didn't even get the ball.
Never forget Roy Williams and he was playing the Cowboys,
and nowadays he would probably get thrown out the game
for that hit. Because the ball it had to come
to me any smoke.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
That was how football was supposed to be played.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Oh, I was pissed.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
You know how Bruh? You know how many crossers I
assassinated in my life?
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Bruh?
Speaker 2 (30:44):
A lot A lot of assassinations took place where they
didn't even have the ball and the ball went away.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
A lot a lot of that is mental warfare.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
I got, I've gotten linemen, I've gotten every other position
from tight end to running backs and even and even
quarterbacks if you run down and even punters if you
come into the serengetti where the wildlife is free to hunt,
(31:14):
then you're either gonna be the hunter or you're gonna
be the hunted. That's what happens in between them white lines.
And if you don't understand that it's that serious when
you come in between them lines, then you have no
business being out there. I hate that there's all these
mixed signals of how a defender is supposed to play
the game of football as it applies to making hits.
(31:37):
I saw some plays called flagrance and targeting. I saw
same type of play where it wasn't called.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I listen.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
I'm not one to jump out at the referees and say.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
This, that and the other.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
They got a tough job, I get it, But can
we please figure out am I allowed to hint?
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Am I out to be be physical or not?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Because that dude that put his nuts on on that
young man's head, he was being lodded.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
And praised for being physical and finishing.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
But yet, but yet, when you respond, when you respond
or when you come back, because it doesn't even have
to be the punching in the nuts that that's the response.
You could have come off the ball and made that
play that the Commanders did on Mac Jones to get
your get right and your get back, and you're getting
flagged fifteen yards first down in a penalty that, as
(32:36):
you mentioned, could cost a team the game and some
critical points doing the game.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Commanders won the game and that play didn't impact them
winning or losing. That's a good thing, but it.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Has these calls on quarterbacks, haven't oh, for sure games
and for sure games, for sure games.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Big game. All right, Well, let's see how it all
plays out.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
I wonder if if Micah Pettis is going to get suspended.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
I want to see if that happens.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I'm leading the charge on a petition for that, a petition.
I'm petitioning for you to have to sit down. There's
no room for that in this game. You do not
(33:31):
put your nuts on another man's head.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
In this game. There's no respect at all, not for
the game, not for the player, not for yourself.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
There's no respect when you drop your sack on a
man's head like that and keep them there.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I just don't. I don't bang with that at all.
I don't bang with that at all. Listen, as far
as with Caleb Williams TJ. You know everybody.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Everybody's got their own way of doing their things. I
don't bang with that either. I don't bang with that either.
I'll hug my mama and I'll cry on her shoulder,
away from the cameras, away from all that attention. I'm
gonna hug my mama and I'm gonna cry, and i'm
gonna tell her I'm sorry, I'll let you down, or
whatever it is that.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
I may have felt in that moment.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I'm gonna hug, hug my dad, hold my dad, dap
my dad up, whatever it may be. Not doing it
in front of the cameras, not doing it in front
of the cameras for a multitude of reasons, I don't
bang with it.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
And thirdly, allow them cats to be professionals.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
And if they work their asses off to get to
the quarterback, by dang it, then let that man finish
the play. It's all I'm saying. Yeah, I'm upset. It's
an upset Monday. I'm upset.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
TJ.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
No.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
I I the last point, the first and last. I
agree with the middle not so much.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Okay, Okay, that's it. That's all. You're going.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Go ahead and lay in that fetal position in your
mama's arm and get that breast milk my dog.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
You go ahead and do what you need to do.
That's t J.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Hutchman's ada. I'm LeVar Arrington. This is up on Game.
Make sure you subscribe. Check us out on the podcast.
Check out the radio show on Saturday nine to eleven
or noon to two pm. Yeah, yeah, all right, we'll
be back tomorrow. We'll check you out, all right, till then,
holler
Speaker 3 (35:24):
As this dude said, the fetal position
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