December 28, 2023 • 38 mins
WE ARE Ki and Juice! Penn State Greats OJ McDuffie and Ki-Jana Carter talk all things Penn State Football! The guys get you ready for the Peach Bowl vs. Ole Miss. Ki and Juice share stories from playing in bowl games during their college careers, and Ki gives a fascinating story about his final bowl game before making the jump to the NFL. The guys discuss the arrival of new Defensive Coordinator Tom Allen. Plus, the guys highlight some of the biggest signings from a very successful National Signing Day!
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Are you ready? We are Key and Juice. Two Penn
State legends, Keith Joanna Carter and OJ mcduppie are breaking
down Penn State football like no one else. We are
Key and Juice and we are right now.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
What is going on? Nickney Nation? I am OJ McDuffie.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
And he is one and only Ky Johanna Carter.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
We go. I love it, I love it. I love it.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Welcome to the We Are Key and Juice Podcast, Trade Deuce.
Happy holidays first and foremost, man, But what's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Kid?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I'm saying, where you been? Man's we've been? It's been
like a month, man since we've been on this podcast,
so that's been happening. Man. I'm doing well. Baby's healthy,
sounds healthy, wife's healthy. What some people go about in
the weather, but overall our things good man. Man. A
lot be going on with the with the team in
this last month too. Man, It's been a lot of
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a lot of moving parts. So I'm excited to talk
about that. And I was gonna get a chance to
talk about the last game the regular season, which was
a fantastic So I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yeah, Yeah, we'll definitely talk about all that, man.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
I mean yeah, there's been something going around key, so
I get what's going on.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
You know, all the sicknesses and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Marlins were good, man, I mean I worked obviously Christmas Eve.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Mindy Dolphins beat up on your Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Nah, I was when I was little man that that.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Yeah, I say the same thing, man. People get on
me like, yeah, when I was little, I had no choice.
I had three channels to Johanna. Dallas Cowboys run one
of them all the time, all the time, you know,
so all the time. And that's why they became my team. Yep,
until I turned thirteen and moved to Cleveland, and then
didn't till you know when I you know, April of
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ninety three, when I got drafted by the Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Then I had one team. You know, und.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Looking he's a good one.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
I know.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
I switched around a few, so you know, I watched,
I watch all of them. I don't really have one.
I'm loyal to like college, but obviously I'm an honorary Dolphin.
Dolphin fan too, so I'm happy. That's a big you are.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
We love you?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (02:17):
You know we love you man, You so love sure
for sure. So we're always excited to talk about Pan
State football. Thankie John. It's bold season. Man's Bowl season
is great platform here to talk about some bowl season stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yes, yes, it is.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I mean, uh no, one that's kind of both see
kind of goes two different ways. It's one is kind
of like the culmination to the end of your season.
Uh to obviously, uh fans what you started uh to
be to any bowl really is an honor. And obviously
with us being in part of the New York the
New Year's New Year six uh Pristine Bowls is a
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great honor and we've been doing that you see my
almost every year now, so it's good to see. But
it also this could be a platform and a stepping
stone going in for next year, you know, for the
returning players that are coming back, maybe be able to
folk feature some kids that who haven't got looked at
that much during the season. This could be a nice
little platform and a stepping stone taking it into the
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winter and spring football and you know, kind of propel
their their confidence and then their ability going into next year.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Yeah key, you know, and you know when I talk
bowl season, you know, I'm not talking about the bowling
we did on on Tuesdays.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
You know what I mean, right, I did bawl a
perfect game, as you know. Okay, okay, definitely talk about
Penn State.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Yeah, and like you said, Man ten to two again
this year and in the New York Six Bowl, even
though it's being played on December thirtieth, the Lions will
face old Miss Rebels Key.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Can you believe this for the first time in both
schools his.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Three Yeah, I saw that. Yeah, it's tough. I mean, obviously,
you know, we we've had our our run run ins
with different SEC teams throughout the different bowl games and
before PENNS was in the Big ten and being independent.
But I'm surprised that over both schools histories, over all
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these years, that we never face each other.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah, it's just pretty remarkable right there.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
And uh, you know, and of course your quarterback and
my quarterback at the end of my career, you know,
it's gonna be the honorary captain.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Man tell us a little bit about Kerry Collins going
to be there.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Oh, I like that, I mean KC Man he was.
I mean, if you think of it, when you want
to carve out like a quarterback, obviously from a physical tools,
we know he looked like a damn lumberjack, you know,
six ' five, just really uh Thick wasn't the fastest guy,
but smart and got a cannon. And the one thing
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that I think that a lot of people wish, and
I think the one the intangibles that you want from
a quarterback the most important is character and leadership. And
that's what Carrie exemplified. And obviously, since you're few years
older than us, you didn't really get to be around
him as much as you know as I did, you know,
growing my four years of school there, but you definite
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can see him how he matured. But then obviously he
just grasped the huddle. No, obviously he had star player
like me, Bobby, you know, our lineman, things like that.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
But in the end you said star is starting. You
said star star players, star players, star.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
But no matter what, when he came into the huddle,
he was like the el Capitan, like Captain Boom, all right, gods,
let's go. And he was always good, almost kind of
like Brady how he was with New England. You know,
Brady was getting getting head butts to the guys in
the huddle, uh, to the lineman. He had that relationship
with our with our lineman and to this day. So
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he was magnificent. And obviously I can only imagine, like
I said, the numbers that you would have put up
in this type of offense. I mean, how the offense
is now, but you with him and this type of
style offense, I mean, it would been record shattered. So
I think he's a little bit before his time when
it came into the passing. Like if you look at
his stats passing stats, he's like, ah, that's all right.
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But I mean obviously led a team to twelve and
oher and obviously won to Maxwell, to Davey O'Brien, and
he was the consummate solid leader that was on our
team weekend and week out. You know, when things go happen,
it will go bad. He go and huddle and get
everybody going and say, look, let's keep keep focused. And
he led by example.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Well yeah, he definitely did more than that twelve and
oh season with you guys. I mean, being the number
five overall pick after you being number one and then
Kyle Brady being number nine. Yeah, that showed how how
well he was respecting league at that point. You know,
I always get the question about when I first came
into the league. They asked me, oh, j you know
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Damn Marino. You know he throws the ball so hard.
Did you have to get used to that? I tell him, no,
Carrie Collins threw a ninety five mile hour fastball, so.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
You don't remember.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
I had carried most like the last part of my
junior and you know, half of my senior. He came
back with a broken finger. But at the end, I
mean he was lighting it up. So I said, yeah,
I was used to ninety five miles an hour, you know, like,
and plus I'm a baseball player kids, you know.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Yeah, he was a Cannon as I was at Cannon,
and I remember Cobs that you're a baseball guy. I
remember obviously, you know, you ever recruited. You know, you
kind of read the biles of the guys who were there,
the freshman and who were they And then obviously, you know,
talking about him, and they talk about how he was
good in baseball and how hardy threw, and you definitely
can see that and some of the games. But the
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thing with him is not only he could throw it hard,
but obviously I think maybe his last year he learned
how to put touch on on balls too, and that's
the thing. You got a lot of people who have
those strong cannon arms, but they don't know how to
sometimes finesse it.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
And you know, you got like the change up. They
don't know the change up. Dude, Sometimes you throw the
change up.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I mean, because you're throwing like a receiver. I mean receiver.
That's what you're made to do. I mean with you,
you know, your hands the softest pillows, and with me
as a running back, you try to work on your hands,
but it's never as good as a receiver. So you know,
sometimes you gotta know, throw it out not as much
velocity because running by I s ain't used to that,
and he he did a great job of mastering that.
And obviously, damn he played with eighteen years of the
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league too, right, So.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Man, people don't realize that.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
They don't realize it's the longevity and the teams that
he had, and the teams he led to playoffs, to
conference championships, to a super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Carry had a hell of a career.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yeah, and they wanted to keep The Colts wanted to
keep on playing. And I asked me, I said, why
do you keep? In mind? He was like, man, I'm done.
I said, it must be nice for eighteen.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Years, mus be damn nice. It must be so nice
to say that, say uncle when you want to. Not
having to they made me say uncle.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah, but I'm glad to hear. I'm glad to hear that.
I didn't know that he's a he's an honorary captain.
That's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Man.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
It's good for him to get back. He doesn't get
back as much, but he's he's definitely always been loyal
to the program and loving it. And it's good for
all the fans out there to see him out there.
So I'm happy to see that.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Happy to hear that. Yeah, no doubt. Man.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
On back to the game, Key, you know, I love
it when we get a chance to face SEC teams, man,
you know, whenever we can, you know, since you know
that's that conference is obviously considered the best in college football.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
What's say you on that? Key? What do you? What
do you like?
Speaker 4 (09:43):
I don't want to play, honestly, an ACC team or
any other conference team. If we're going to a bold season,
let's play against the SEC team. See where we stack
up ten versus eleven. It's pretty good matchup.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Well, yeah, I mean, if you go to the rankings
like that, then yeah, ten versus I would say, I mean, honestly,
I would say I could play the highest ranking team
possible just so you know, to make us look better
in the end. But no, yeah, they said, s see,
and you gotta give them the props. There's no line.
No year in year out, they've had been pretty deep.
But I think they're pretty deep up top, though I
wouldn't say all the way through, but I would say,
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like the top five.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Got they got nine teams in the Bowl games.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Game.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
But I'm saying, but like the nineteen and nowhere on
at caliber as like I said, oh, miss Georgia, Alabama
and so and so forth. But I hear what you're saying. Yeah,
when you get you know, when they get all this
Holly touted things, especially no Big ten. They said, we're
kind of like the next conference next to them, so
you want to match up with them and say, you
know what, how do we match up against the SEC?
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And for the most part, I think besides the lost Kentucky,
I think we lost Arkansas too, but we fared pretty
well against the SEC overall, So it's good. It's good
for recruiting. I think being in these areas. So when
no kids want to say, yeah, I want to play
in the best conference, say well, ours is pretty nice too,
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and it's gonna be even nicer next year, so yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Better right.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
No, I'll be excited to see this, But I get
your point of saying that you want to you definitely
want to face uh, your so against the best competition
because you want to see how good you really are
and all the smack talking.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Yeah, we'll talk a little bit more about the recruiting
towards the end of this, because you know, Pence, they
had a pretty good year, man. But we're gonna focus
a little bit on our game right now. The game
is sold out already, you know, of course, it's gonna
be a bunch of old miss fans there.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
It's not a not a very far drive.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
To Atlanta from Mississippi, but we travel well as well,
so I think it's gonna be pretty good that you
know that we have a matchup like this. I think
the I think the record for people in Mercedes ben Stadium,
which is gonna be indoors, thank goodness, because it's little chilling.
There's a little over seventy nine thousand. I think we can.
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I think we're and be able to clipse that in
this bowl game.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Yeah, I mean from a from a Peach Bowl. If
I was the organizer from the Peach Bowl, this is
the ideal team. Well. One, like I said, we travel well,
and obviously if we're not in the the college playoffs, uh,
this is obviously the next consolation. And then two, they
have a team obviously an old miss and notice the
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old miss, but they're not. I mean they played the
Sugar Bowl thin a couple years ago, but they haven't
had a tray record of being in these high bowl games.
So they're going to travel well too. So from a
from a game matchup, from the city, from TV, and
from ticket sales, this is an ideal situation. No, Like
(12:44):
I said, we always travel well and being and we
haven't played in the Peach Bowl before? Have we played
in Peach Bowl before?
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Have we?
Speaker 4 (12:51):
I mean I have no idea. We've been around for
a thousand years, so I'm sure. I'm sure we had
one time in the Peach Bawl.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yeah, so I think we're gonna I'll be worried about.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
The dot Com bows that we haven't been in whether
in the Peace Bowl, if the Peace Bowl has been
around forever, we've been in a prophisee that you got
to right.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Yeah, that dot com they can have all that stuff,
but it's uh, it's always good. And like I said, no, no,
we've had we got two teams that are finished ahead
of us in our in our conference. But the fact
that we're the third team represented the New Year six,
I think it's a testament to our program. And guys
are gonna come out and one two is in Atlanta,
so you know, you got Aquarium, you the Hall of
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Fame and all these other sites. So I think it's
gonna be a good turnout for everybody. It's gonna be
a good time. And I heard that the Grayvine that
somebody's that I'm talking to right now is going to
the Union.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah, well you know, man, key, Yeah, I'm going through
the game.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Man.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
I'm a bold gamer. You know, I'm a bold game.
And think about it is my kids. My kids aren't going.
They have other players.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
JJ is not going.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Well, JJ is going not going because Florida State is
playing in Orange Bowl. That's where he goes to school,
so he's gonna go. It's on the same day, same
exact day, and uh camp and Cam's not going because
JJ is not going.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
So the little bros not going because the big Bro's
not going.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
That's how they that's how they all. Right, I'll be
there representing Key. You know, they're asking all the fans
to wear all white, you know what I mean, So
make sure you know we're all white.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I got plenty of that. I'm looking forward to that
nice and it should be. It should be. It should
be a damn good Penn State crowd.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah, me good crowd. It's good, good matchup. And then
obviously the stadium brouh. I've never been inside of it,
but I've been to Atlanta a couple times. We saw
from the outside that thing was amazing. So it's gonna be. Uh,
you have a nice sign, man, that's it's gonna be
a good atmosphere.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
And you know what else? Key, Yeah good? No, go ahead,
look and no, no, I've just said.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
And it's on the thirtieth, so I don't know what
you play. You can still get back home for New
Year's Eve. No, be with the family.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Yeah, you know, I gotta work. I gotta work on
New Year's Eve. Ravens I'm glad they didn't flex. And
they were talking about flexing at the eight twenty and
and I've been in the studio when the new year
rang in, but they kept at one o'clock. So I'll
figure out something to do, man. Yeah, it's gonna be.
It's gonna be. It's gonna be a good time man,
no matter what.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
And there's a ton of ton of ton of Penn
State fans in the atl so it's gonna.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Oh yes, oh yes, I mean at I mean major
sent me got New York, La, Chicago, and I mean
now the way La, I mean Atlanta is done over
the years. I mean they're like a big hub, just
like all those other cities. Yea, yeah, it's a it's
a great town. It's a great town.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
And I'm youngs for sure again please, yeah, I know
who you are. That's why I did won't even tell you.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
But while you asked me if you want to make
why'd you even ask me if you didn't want the
answer you want?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Like you didn't want the answer?
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Tell me, no, I don't want to I'll tell me,
damn it. Why'd you tell me?
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yeah? Well I can't.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
I can't wait for you and your your kids and
family started making these type of memories that I was
supposed to make with my kid. We've been the last
five or six Bowl games, you know, together, so that's
always a lot of fun. And yeah, there's nothing like it, man.
So key Old Miss. They bring in a top twenty
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offense versus our nation's leading, number one leading defense, so
it should be a pretty good matchup, man. I mean,
of course, both teams will be will be without some
players that have opted out, and you know they're gonna
be playing on Sunday next year, So I get sometimes,
but klean king, who's going to play for Penn State?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
We know Top Robinson is gonna opt out? What are
your thoughts on the ends and outs of opts? If
that makes any sense?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
It's tough, it's tough. I mean, obviously got a blame
Christian McCaffrey and Leonardo net for all this crap that's
going on. Now. I can see in a way, why
if you're highly uh ranked to go out because I
remember the linebacker Jalen Smith I think from Notre Dame.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Remember he tore.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Actually a couple of years ago. The quarterback from oh
Miss Carrol. I think that was named Carol and the
Sugar Bowl Matt Carroll, I think that was his name,
and the Sugar Bowl messes me up so and obviously
I get that because obviously that can always be a risk,
but I don't know, it's just for me. It's just
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I mean, obviously because we're I guess we're in that
old era. If we were in there now, maybe we'd change.
But just the one last time I get to play
for my guy, with my guys, and you know, like
with me, I mean, obviously we were going to go
to undefeated and the whole going for the national number
on ranking all that, so.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
A whole year, you didn't have to after the game.
That a whole year. Yeah, don't be a hypocrite here,
I mean a whole year.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Let's say we were playing no. Obviously, back then the
big team champions of Rose Bowl. Second place is the
Citrus Bowl. You know, if we were in the Citrus
Bowl and then they had me carry top five, what
I thought, that wouldn't even cross my mind because it
was one more time. I get the one word uniform
because I loved my school, I love my teammates, and
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I just love playing with my guys. And then you
won't be able to get that experience again. And you know,
obviously now we're like two old men. No no reliving
our old Penn State pass. But but the thing we
always talk about it and the reason why it is
because we we cherished it and we enjoyed it so much,
and it's gonna be gone and you'll never have that
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opportunity again, and you don't want to ever go back
and say, damn, you know, I know I left out,
but man, I wish I would have seen or just
had me. Obviously, when you're I mean obviously your teammates man,
they'd be like, damn, dude, why are you flake out
on it? I get it, but no, we got one
more game. Let's went out. Let's go out over the
w It's a business now. So so it's kind of
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like I'm kind of like on that that line, which
I get the player side now, but at the same
time as like, if you love your school and you
love playing, you know how that one opportunity to run
out of tunnel and build to wear a blue and
white again.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
So well, I think you need to tell everybody you
know what Joe Paterno said to you when you know
you were going to go pro. It went along the
lines and something like you how much you've done for
the university, It is time for I mean tell us
about that key.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Well, like I said, our site was a little different
because we said we're trying to play for national title,
number one ranking. No, obviously there was Nebraska undefeated two.
So no, it kind of all started. I think we
talked about when we played Indiana. There's a photo of
Joe talking to me on the bench and he was like,
You're gonna get a lot of exposure. There's a lot
(20:10):
of people out there, Uh, gonna want to talk to you.
You don't get a lot of note right now, but
just keep your nose to the grindstone and keep focusing.
Good things will happened for you. So that's kind of four.
But then obviously after our last game gainst Michigan State,
know I had a good game. We want undefeated and
you know, be carrying Bobby. We did our little College
Football Award tour and Bob Hope Show and things like that.
(20:33):
You get you know, you get caught up. But I
still didn't know what I was doing because I was
still trying to focus in on the task at hand.
And we had to beat Oregon to one to go
on the feed. Yeah, but you know, obviously know you
you know, the Bowl games, you get a lot of
time on your on your side. You don't have the
media outlets that you have now, but people talking to
you and and the lobby and things like that, and
(20:56):
you know a lot of times I'll try to hide
and sneak through the back because I don't want people
bothering me. But then after the game, uh no we won, No,
I got Goosebum'm talking about this right now, we go
Joe won. Joe was like, come to my suite. I'm
under class, I mean technically under class. I'm like your sweep.
(21:18):
Usually only the seniors get to come up there, right,
So yeah, So I get up there and I come up.
Phil Knight was there. I'm like, damn, this is what's up. No,
Joe was there and he was like, well, he just
told me. He said, I need to talk to you tomorrow.
Huh he said, yeah, I need you come on to
my room. WoT I need I need to talk to you.
(21:39):
I said, okay, coach. Next thing I know, we party
and having fun. We want the rosebud. No, hopefully we
gonna be no cod National champs.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
So the next day, a.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Little hungover, well a little over come, we go see
coach and then he had next day he told my
mom too, So my mom, I'm like, what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Mom?
Speaker 3 (21:57):
He's like, a coach asked me to come right. So
we get up there and sorry for this long win
a story, but he said that. He was like, he
was like, look, you had a great season this year.
No proud of what you guys done, you know, as
as a team, proud of you guys done. And and
obviously you had a great career and you had a
(22:18):
great season individually. He said, there's a lot of a
lot of buzz going on about you. Because the carriage
already fiftie senior so he.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Had to leave.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Kyle was already gone. There's a lot of buzz going
on about you. And I'm sure you heard it too.
And Joe in the background, you know, doing his due
diligence to find out where I get drafted. He was like,
through my sources that I've heard throughout the league that
they said you're gonna be a top five pick. I'm like, huh.
(22:48):
He said, yeah, if you decide to go, you'll be
a top five pick. Now, I heard the buzz because
that's when the Panthers and the Jaguars with expansion teams.
So you know you had all that goal. I'm like, wow.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
He was like, you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
I want you to do what you what you feel
is best for you. But I just want to have
your mom here and just let you know that you did.
You did all you could for this university. No, you wouldn't.
We went undefeated. No, fortunately you didn't get into with
the heisman. But I think it's time for you to
go now. If you want to stay, No, you can
(23:24):
make that decision. No, you say, but he said for me,
I'm basically I'm giving you my blessing, and I think
it's time for you to leave because you don't know.
I mean, obviously during the draft, you know, top five pick,
you don't know. You don't know if you'll go one, five, three, four, it. Man,
I might slip like an Aaron Margers.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
You don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
But that's what the word he was getting. He said
it would be selfish for him to hold me back
and say no, basically, to fulfill a dream for not
only me, no personally for as a full player. But
obviously be able to take care of your family. And
he said that, no, I want you to do that.
And then and he said, I say, coach care I said, okay,
(24:03):
I'll do that. I said'll think about it. But I said,
if I do that, can I still go to school
because one thing I probably my mom that no matter what,
that I would graduate. He said absolutely. He said that's absolutely.
So that's the kind of story. Basically, he just said, no,
you did all you could form the university to be
selfish for him to hold me back and obviously, you
(24:27):
know here, I think he's the first player to ever
tell me to do so. And again I don't know,
like Blair was a number two pick, but he was
a senior, so maybe I was the first underclassman. I
guess dad had an opportunity to go. I have potential
to go that high that he let go. But yeah,
that's what he That's what he told me. And it
(24:48):
was kind of had like a lump of my throat
on gonna be honest when he told me that, I'm
sitting there like in it says I still didn't make
a decision. I said, okay, but then I'm like one,
I was like Damn, this might be the last time
that I might be with coach as my coach, no
team coach, and in the in the hotel and everything,
and a lot of things are racing through my mind.
And then then obviously, you know, threw back to school
(25:10):
after after the game and made a decision.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Hell yeah, man, eighty yards off rip you know what
I mean, that would have my thesiston was already made
right there.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Man, that's an amazing story.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Man.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
I love it, man, and that you know I've heard it,
and I'm glad that I get the chance to hear
you say it again, man.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
And yeah, I'm just fortunate that.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Yeah, I'm just fortunate man that you know that I
got to witness you as a you know, as a
as a as a high.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
School kid, a college kid, and in the pros.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
I ran home to watch the the Rose Bowl run
because I mean, it's just an honor, man. And I
know what these Bowl games mean to kids, and that's
why it's important sometimes for these guys to actually go
there and experience that experience. And I hope some of
these schools, even if kids opt out, they let them
go experience the Bowl outside the game, because really the
(26:07):
Bowl game is one thing, but the whole experience is
a thing.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
That's what I'm saying. I mean, obviously, the game is
a game, and obviously as the probably the best ball experience.
I was a freshman. You know, I was already red shirted.
You know, you get a little basically, we were playing
in finish and if you has the boat, obviously that's
when you busted Tennessee's ass. But you know, as a freshman,
you know, you go practice this and that, but it's
the whole experience. You get to hang out, Uh, you
go sight seeing, you know, get to hang out with
(26:33):
my elder older classmen like you, and bowl and other
people outside of school. So the bowl, like you said,
the experience, but the game is a game and practice practice,
but it's just no, you don't have class and you
hang out the pool and hotel and you know, go
kick a little bit in the evening time if you're
of age. So uh, I think, like you said, just
(26:57):
the experience of the whole entire thing too, is just
I was a part of the part of it. I
want thing big up to Coach Franklin. He was like
he basically said, like guys can come and then they
can play as long as they wants as some of
them like chop no, no, if you want to play
a player a series or whatever.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Walk out with your team again started a little bit,
whatever it might be.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah, a lot of coaches won't do that, and that's
that's that's big up to coach frank because what I'm
sure so coaches like, oh, you're leaving us all right,
see ya, where he's like, no, we're embracing them. So
big up to coach Franklin for saying that and offering
that to the players too.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Well, my bowl games in my five years, we missing
my freshman year, but my bowl games went to Miami twice,
Phoenix once, and San Diego once, so I had you
can imagine better cities than that. I come back to Miami,
which we know and love. Yes, who's bizack? Yeah last
(27:54):
thirty years. Yeah, I was Phoenix before we get out
of here. K Yeah, Phoenix, Phoenix. You at Miami of course.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Such as Bolt Orlando and then California, l.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
A and Citrus. Yeah, great cities yourself, doggie.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Yeah, all January one, l A, January one.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
To see now now you're rubbing in because back in
the day, somebody might have been on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
There was so so unimportant.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Hollow Bowl was serious though. The Holland Bowl was serious.
I remember that boy was serious.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
It was dope. That was dope. That's that's when I
met Junior A man. It was it was great.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
It was great, all right, man. Before we get out
of here, man, I got well talked real quick. Penn
State named Alan tom Allen defense coordinator, replacing Manny dis Ds.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
He was off to be Duke's new head man. Uh
and he did it.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
I would see a phenomenal job here at Penn State
for the past a few years, and of course we
wish him the best. Tom Allen though, I mean he's
had men in Indiana for the past seven years. And
I think it's you know, and that's that's important. I
think it's awesome having another head coach, you know, with
head coaching experience on the staff.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Yeah, yeah, I think. I mean obviously that Mayne was
the head coach in Miami before he got to let Go.
I know a lot of people were kind of frowning
at the higher at first, or the rumor when he
might be hired. But I always say, I know we're
gonna talk. You'll see in a minute. But if you
can have a coach like coach Allen what he did
for Indiana. Now, granted a couple of years, this last
(29:35):
few years they've been a par but Indiana. You'll never
see Indiana on the top ranking of anything. You'll never
see no four stars. I mean, I'm like I say never,
but four stars, highly touted, no athletes. The one thing
he can do he can coach and get the best
out of his players. And obviously the one season, obviously
(29:58):
we always controversy when Phoenix said it was a touchdown
and we say it's not anyway, but that year that
that team, they had a great season, and they had
a bunch of no names and no disrespect to who's
your program. But Indiana is not on the level of
a Penn state, you know, the top echelon programs in
the country. But he's able to coach and get the
(30:20):
best avis players. And you can see him on the
field even when we played him this year. I mean
they played us type those first three quarters. I mean,
but he's out there high fiving players, giving players hugs,
and very energetic. That's the infectious spirit that I love
and you see like he's a good hearted man, and
I think that's gonna rub off well because now not
(30:40):
only can he coach, but now he's got top echelon players.
So now you put you put those two together in
a just same thing with Manny last year, and that's
what he can do with the defense, and I think
also they can help him out. He's a head coach
no coming to a program like ours, learn the ins
and outs and seeing how the big programs are no
(31:03):
that can run. I think it's gonna be good because
I think what Manny Di has learned no direspect to
the Hurricanes, but he's gonna take a lot to learn
and Penn State taking it all over on the Duke
and then the same thing without him. He's an older gentleman.
I'm not sure if he wants to be a head
coach again, but I think this kind of fits his nature.
He seemed like he really cares about his players, like
(31:24):
I said, and very energetic, but at the same time
hard knows and uh coaches his players harder and gets
a lot of other players. And I think that's what
we're going to see.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Yeah, I love it, man, I love it. Man Well
I you know, I just know that love another great higher.
I know, I knew Manny Diaz is gonna be a
great higher because I know what he did down here
for the you as a defense coordinator, and I mean
he's he proved it that defense. Our defense's top five
defense every year he's been here. And he's putting guys
(31:57):
in the league, which is also important. And I know,
you know, and even at the Rose Bull Key, I
said by his dad, you know, for the game, and
I was like, I just told him how much I
appreciate your son being here at Penn State. Because a
lot of head coaches, man, they there, it's tough for
them to go back down to being a coordinator. But
it was just Biden his time, you know what I mean,
(32:19):
kind of like Bill O'Brien type of deal. But Tom Allen,
I know, he's a reputable guy in the in the
in the in the NCAA period. You know, you don't
hold a job in college football for seven years unless
you're doing something right, you know, And I think that's
that's important. I like that coach Franklin, which has been
a tough deal, you know, having the guys that want
(32:39):
to be a part of his staff. You know, we
struggle with offensive coordinators. We got Manny, We got blessed
with Manny Diz And I think this is another great
addition to you know, what we need to do is
when you're a head coach, your coordinators need to be exceptional.
Your recruiters need to be exceptional. And I think that
that's that's the key point right now when when hiring
a guy like Alan.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Yeah, and I think also obviously you know, being in
Indiana and is not necessarily a hot bed for recruiting
and football, but there might be some areas in that
area where he might have expertise because with Indiana, they
gotta they they recruit more regionally. I would say probably
more than us. He could go nationally. So now he
could he knows like certain schools and players and things
(33:21):
like that, where he might try to recruit in Indiana
to come, they're not gonna go to an end. But
now he said, hey, I'm at Penn State. Now we
can go get these kids that might be Diamond or
russ or star players instead of having to go into
the Michigan, Ohigo States or elsewhere, you know, bring him
over to Happy Valley.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Yeah, that's that's a that's a great point because I'll
tell you what. Once Ohio State fired Earl Bruce and
then brought in John Cooper, I was I was going
to Ohio State when that happened. You know, even Ohio
State and Randy Hart, I love him, man, he was
getting his whole staff was getting fired. He was going
(34:00):
to Washington. He still told me that Penn State was
the place for me. But if you got a guy
come from Indiana and you got some kids that are
dialed in to go to Indiana, and you give him
an opportunity to go to Penn State, no dispect Indiana,
he might be able to bring some of the top
guys out of Indiana or that neighboring.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Area that wanted to stay closer to the home. He
might be able to pull some of those guys for us.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
I totally, I totally agree. I mean, I mean, if
you look at a lot of the successful, big programs
out there, I mean, again I hate despect that I
talking about some else's program, but they all came from
like smaller.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
There's no disrespect to me. It's understand where people are going.
I mean, they come up from.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Small schools and they learn how to really coach because
they don't have the star players, so they scheme up
you really motivate their players and train and this and
that get the maximum effort out of their players. So
now I want to get to those big programs. It
just runs like clockwork. And I just think he's going
to have an infectious spirit and attitude that's going to
(34:58):
rub off on our guys. And I think it's vice
versa and and honestly, winning always helps. I mean, you know,
going six and six, five and seven, maybe seven and five,
not saying there's nothing wrong with that, but it's different
when you're expected to say, you know what, we're gonna
go ten to two, eleven, one, twelve, and oh a
little bit of expectancy out there and feel confident when
(35:19):
we go up stepping on the field that we're supposed
to winning each one of these games. But that's that's
a different feeling.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Man. For getting out of here real quick, man, I
just want to say that, you know, Penn State's recruiting
class came out really, really good. I mean, we got
the number one tied end in the country, we got
the number two player in Ohio and quarterback.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
You know what the running you know what.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
That quarterback from is he he's from the club from
he's from he's such Ohio boy, he's not.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
From your school. Because not from your school, you can't
talk about it. Yeah, no way.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
And also running back Quentin and Martin from Pennsylvania again
penn State winning the state. We'll rank somewhere between fourteen
and sixteen, and so it should be good man, we'll
be alright. I saw a lot of old linemen and
d linemen which where you have to start everything, and
some guys that fliped from not flip, but this chose
us over like Ohio States and Alabamas and schools like that,
(36:26):
Notre Dames. When you get you get guys choosing you
over those schools, their potential is great for those guys.
If those other schools as well are recruiting those kids.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
I got so one talk about what you're saying is
it's always about Okay, I know these rankings are good. Yeah,
we want to be top five, top ten, and a
lot is based on skill players, listen to that. But
we had a need, and our need was the trenches.
And I think we got one of those linemen that
would used to be a quarterback, good athlete. We had
(36:55):
to go into trenches, so it might not be as
sexy as as in the past as rain. But did
we fit Phil Knees that we need to have on
this team. And I think we did a great job
with that. And then two then we talked about coach Allen,
but we gotta talk about our new OC coordinator. They
came from Kansas. No, I think I don't want to
(37:18):
butcher his name, but just kind of like with coach
Chalen what he did with Kansas programming. They know they
had a good win in their bowl game. No, Kansas
is not a jugger out. They played the big twelve
guy go against the Oklahoma's and Texas and stuff like that,
and they recruit originally. But he has an innovative mind
and put his players in certain positions, if his motion formations,
(37:42):
whatever it is, to get their players open. And now
you have elite athletes like us like on our offensive side.
So I think that's gonna really do well for Drew.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
All right, let's get out of here. Man.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
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Speaker 4 (00:35):
Welcome to the We Are Key and Juice Podcast, Trade Deuce.
Happy holidays first and foremost, man, But what's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Kid?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I'm saying, where you been? Man's we've been? It's been
like a month, man since we've been on this podcast,
so that's been happening. Man. I'm doing well. Baby's healthy,
sounds healthy, wife's healthy. What some people go about in
the weather, but overall our things good man. Man. A
lot be going on with the with the team in
this last month too. Man, It's been a lot of
(01:03):
a lot of moving parts. So I'm excited to talk
about that. And I was gonna get a chance to
talk about the last game the regular season, which was
a fantastic So I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yeah, Yeah, we'll definitely talk about all that, man.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
I mean yeah, there's been something going around key, so
I get what's going on.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
You know, all the sicknesses and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Marlins were good, man, I mean I worked obviously Christmas Eve.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Mindy Dolphins beat up on your Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Nah, I was when I was little man that that.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Yeah, I say the same thing, man. People get on
me like, yeah, when I was little, I had no choice.
I had three channels to Johanna. Dallas Cowboys run one
of them all the time, all the time, you know,
so all the time. And that's why they became my team. Yep,
until I turned thirteen and moved to Cleveland, and then
didn't till you know when I you know, April of
(01:57):
ninety three, when I got drafted by the Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Then I had one team. You know, und.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Looking he's a good one.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
I know.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
I switched around a few, so you know, I watched,
I watch all of them. I don't really have one.
I'm loyal to like college, but obviously I'm an honorary Dolphin.
Dolphin fan too, so I'm happy. That's a big you are.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
We love you?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (02:17):
You know we love you man, You so love sure
for sure. So we're always excited to talk about Pan
State football. Thankie John. It's bold season. Man's Bowl season
is great platform here to talk about some bowl season stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yes, yes, it is.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I mean, uh no, one that's kind of both see
kind of goes two different ways. It's one is kind
of like the culmination to the end of your season.
Uh to obviously, uh fans what you started uh to
be to any bowl really is an honor. And obviously
with us being in part of the New York the
New Year's New Year six uh Pristine Bowls is a
(02:57):
great honor and we've been doing that you see my
almost every year now, so it's good to see. But
it also this could be a platform and a stepping
stone going in for next year, you know, for the
returning players that are coming back, maybe be able to
folk feature some kids that who haven't got looked at
that much during the season. This could be a nice
little platform and a stepping stone taking it into the
(03:19):
winter and spring football and you know, kind of propel
their their confidence and then their ability going into next year.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Yeah key, you know, and you know when I talk
bowl season, you know, I'm not talking about the bowling
we did on on Tuesdays.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
You know what I mean, right, I did bawl a
perfect game, as you know. Okay, okay, definitely talk about
Penn State.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Yeah, and like you said, Man ten to two again
this year and in the New York Six Bowl, even
though it's being played on December thirtieth, the Lions will
face old Miss Rebels Key.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Can you believe this for the first time in both
schools his.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Three Yeah, I saw that. Yeah, it's tough. I mean, obviously,
you know, we we've had our our run run ins
with different SEC teams throughout the different bowl games and
before PENNS was in the Big ten and being independent.
But I'm surprised that over both schools histories, over all
(04:21):
these years, that we never face each other.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah, it's just pretty remarkable right there.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
And uh, you know, and of course your quarterback and
my quarterback at the end of my career, you know,
it's gonna be the honorary captain.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Man tell us a little bit about Kerry Collins going
to be there.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Oh, I like that, I mean KC Man he was.
I mean, if you think of it, when you want
to carve out like a quarterback, obviously from a physical tools,
we know he looked like a damn lumberjack, you know,
six ' five, just really uh Thick wasn't the fastest guy,
but smart and got a cannon. And the one thing
(05:01):
that I think that a lot of people wish, and
I think the one the intangibles that you want from
a quarterback the most important is character and leadership. And
that's what Carrie exemplified. And obviously, since you're few years
older than us, you didn't really get to be around
him as much as you know as I did, you know,
growing my four years of school there, but you definite
(05:22):
can see him how he matured. But then obviously he
just grasped the huddle. No, obviously he had star player
like me, Bobby, you know, our lineman, things like that.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
But in the end you said star is starting. You
said star star players, star players, star.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
But no matter what, when he came into the huddle,
he was like the el Capitan, like Captain Boom, all right, gods,
let's go. And he was always good, almost kind of
like Brady how he was with New England. You know,
Brady was getting getting head butts to the guys in
the huddle, uh, to the lineman. He had that relationship
with our with our lineman and to this day. So
(06:02):
he was magnificent. And obviously I can only imagine, like
I said, the numbers that you would have put up
in this type of offense. I mean, how the offense
is now, but you with him and this type of
style offense, I mean, it would been record shattered. So
I think he's a little bit before his time when
it came into the passing. Like if you look at
his stats passing stats, he's like, ah, that's all right.
(06:22):
But I mean obviously led a team to twelve and
oher and obviously won to Maxwell, to Davey O'Brien, and
he was the consummate solid leader that was on our
team weekend and week out. You know, when things go happen,
it will go bad. He go and huddle and get
everybody going and say, look, let's keep keep focused. And
he led by example.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Well yeah, he definitely did more than that twelve and
oh season with you guys. I mean, being the number
five overall pick after you being number one and then
Kyle Brady being number nine. Yeah, that showed how how
well he was respecting league at that point. You know,
I always get the question about when I first came
into the league. They asked me, oh, j you know
(07:08):
Damn Marino. You know he throws the ball so hard.
Did you have to get used to that? I tell him, no,
Carrie Collins threw a ninety five mile hour fastball, so.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
You don't remember.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
I had carried most like the last part of my
junior and you know, half of my senior. He came
back with a broken finger. But at the end, I
mean he was lighting it up. So I said, yeah,
I was used to ninety five miles an hour, you know, like,
and plus I'm a baseball player kids, you know.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Yeah, he was a Cannon as I was at Cannon,
and I remember Cobs that you're a baseball guy. I
remember obviously, you know, you ever recruited. You know, you
kind of read the biles of the guys who were there,
the freshman and who were they And then obviously, you know,
talking about him, and they talk about how he was
good in baseball and how hardy threw, and you definitely
can see that and some of the games. But the
(07:55):
thing with him is not only he could throw it hard,
but obviously I think maybe his last year he learned
how to put touch on on balls too, and that's
the thing. You got a lot of people who have
those strong cannon arms, but they don't know how to
sometimes finesse it.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
And you know, you got like the change up. They
don't know the change up. Dude, Sometimes you throw the
change up.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I mean, because you're throwing like a receiver. I mean receiver.
That's what you're made to do. I mean with you,
you know, your hands the softest pillows, and with me
as a running back, you try to work on your hands,
but it's never as good as a receiver. So you know,
sometimes you gotta know, throw it out not as much
velocity because running by I s ain't used to that,
and he he did a great job of mastering that.
And obviously, damn he played with eighteen years of the
(08:38):
league too, right, So.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Man, people don't realize that.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
They don't realize it's the longevity and the teams that
he had, and the teams he led to playoffs, to
conference championships, to a super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Carry had a hell of a career.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yeah, and they wanted to keep The Colts wanted to
keep on playing. And I asked me, I said, why
do you keep? In mind? He was like, man, I'm done.
I said, it must be nice for eighteen.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Years, mus be damn nice. It must be so nice
to say that, say uncle when you want to. Not
having to they made me say uncle.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah, but I'm glad to hear. I'm glad to hear that.
I didn't know that he's a he's an honorary captain.
That's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Man.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
It's good for him to get back. He doesn't get
back as much, but he's he's definitely always been loyal
to the program and loving it. And it's good for
all the fans out there to see him out there.
So I'm happy to see that.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Happy to hear that. Yeah, no doubt. Man.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
On back to the game, Key, you know, I love
it when we get a chance to face SEC teams, man,
you know, whenever we can, you know, since you know
that's that conference is obviously considered the best in college football.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
What's say you on that? Key? What do you? What
do you like?
Speaker 4 (09:43):
I don't want to play, honestly, an ACC team or
any other conference team. If we're going to a bold season,
let's play against the SEC team. See where we stack
up ten versus eleven. It's pretty good matchup.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Well, yeah, I mean, if you go to the rankings
like that, then yeah, ten versus I would say, I mean, honestly,
I would say I could play the highest ranking team
possible just so you know, to make us look better
in the end. But no, yeah, they said, s see,
and you gotta give them the props. There's no line.
No year in year out, they've had been pretty deep.
But I think they're pretty deep up top, though I
wouldn't say all the way through, but I would say,
(10:16):
like the top five.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Got they got nine teams in the Bowl games.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Game.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
But I'm saying, but like the nineteen and nowhere on
at caliber as like I said, oh, miss Georgia, Alabama
and so and so forth. But I hear what you're saying. Yeah,
when you get you know, when they get all this
Holly touted things, especially no Big ten. They said, we're
kind of like the next conference next to them, so
you want to match up with them and say, you
know what, how do we match up against the SEC?
(10:44):
And for the most part, I think besides the lost Kentucky,
I think we lost Arkansas too, but we fared pretty
well against the SEC overall, So it's good. It's good
for recruiting. I think being in these areas. So when
no kids want to say, yeah, I want to play
in the best conference, say well, ours is pretty nice too,
(11:04):
and it's gonna be even nicer next year, so yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Better right.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
No, I'll be excited to see this, But I get
your point of saying that you want to you definitely
want to face uh, your so against the best competition
because you want to see how good you really are
and all the smack talking.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Yeah, we'll talk a little bit more about the recruiting
towards the end of this, because you know, Pence, they
had a pretty good year, man. But we're gonna focus
a little bit on our game right now. The game
is sold out already, you know, of course, it's gonna
be a bunch of old miss fans there.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
It's not a not a very far drive.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
To Atlanta from Mississippi, but we travel well as well,
so I think it's gonna be pretty good that you
know that we have a matchup like this. I think
the I think the record for people in Mercedes ben Stadium,
which is gonna be indoors, thank goodness, because it's little chilling.
There's a little over seventy nine thousand. I think we can.
(11:59):
I think we're and be able to clipse that in
this bowl game.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Yeah, I mean from a from a Peach Bowl. If
I was the organizer from the Peach Bowl, this is
the ideal team. Well. One, like I said, we travel well,
and obviously if we're not in the the college playoffs, uh,
this is obviously the next consolation. And then two, they
have a team obviously an old miss and notice the
(12:23):
old miss, but they're not. I mean they played the
Sugar Bowl thin a couple years ago, but they haven't
had a tray record of being in these high bowl games.
So they're going to travel well too. So from a
from a game matchup, from the city, from TV, and
from ticket sales, this is an ideal situation. No, Like
(12:44):
I said, we always travel well and being and we
haven't played in the Peach Bowl before? Have we played
in Peach Bowl before?
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Have we?
Speaker 4 (12:51):
I mean I have no idea. We've been around for
a thousand years, so I'm sure. I'm sure we had
one time in the Peach Bawl.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yeah, so I think we're gonna I'll be worried about.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
The dot Com bows that we haven't been in whether
in the Peace Bowl, if the Peace Bowl has been
around forever, we've been in a prophisee that you got
to right.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Yeah, that dot com they can have all that stuff,
but it's uh, it's always good. And like I said, no, no,
we've had we got two teams that are finished ahead
of us in our in our conference. But the fact
that we're the third team represented the New Year six,
I think it's a testament to our program. And guys
are gonna come out and one two is in Atlanta,
so you know, you got Aquarium, you the Hall of
(13:32):
Fame and all these other sites. So I think it's
gonna be a good turnout for everybody. It's gonna be
a good time. And I heard that the Grayvine that
somebody's that I'm talking to right now is going to
the Union.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah, well you know, man, key, Yeah, I'm going through
the game.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Man.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
I'm a bold gamer. You know, I'm a bold game.
And think about it is my kids. My kids aren't going.
They have other players.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
JJ is not going.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Well, JJ is going not going because Florida State is
playing in Orange Bowl. That's where he goes to school,
so he's gonna go. It's on the same day, same
exact day, and uh camp and Cam's not going because
JJ is not going.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
So the little bros not going because the big Bro's
not going.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
That's how they that's how they all. Right, I'll be
there representing Key. You know, they're asking all the fans
to wear all white, you know what I mean, So
make sure you know we're all white.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I got plenty of that. I'm looking forward to that
nice and it should be. It should be. It should
be a damn good Penn State crowd.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah, me good crowd. It's good, good matchup. And then
obviously the stadium brouh. I've never been inside of it,
but I've been to Atlanta a couple times. We saw
from the outside that thing was amazing. So it's gonna be. Uh,
you have a nice sign, man, that's it's gonna be
a good atmosphere.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
And you know what else? Key, Yeah good? No, go ahead,
look and no, no, I've just said.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
And it's on the thirtieth, so I don't know what
you play. You can still get back home for New
Year's Eve. No, be with the family.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Yeah, you know, I gotta work. I gotta work on
New Year's Eve. Ravens I'm glad they didn't flex. And
they were talking about flexing at the eight twenty and
and I've been in the studio when the new year
rang in, but they kept at one o'clock. So I'll
figure out something to do, man. Yeah, it's gonna be.
It's gonna be. It's gonna be a good time man,
no matter what.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
And there's a ton of ton of ton of Penn
State fans in the atl so it's gonna.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Oh yes, oh yes, I mean at I mean major
sent me got New York, La, Chicago, and I mean
now the way La, I mean Atlanta is done over
the years. I mean they're like a big hub, just
like all those other cities. Yea, yeah, it's a it's
a great town. It's a great town.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
And I'm youngs for sure again please, yeah, I know
who you are. That's why I did won't even tell you.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
But while you asked me if you want to make
why'd you even ask me if you didn't want the
answer you want?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Like you didn't want the answer?
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Tell me, no, I don't want to I'll tell me,
damn it. Why'd you tell me?
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yeah? Well I can't.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
I can't wait for you and your your kids and
family started making these type of memories that I was
supposed to make with my kid. We've been the last
five or six Bowl games, you know, together, so that's
always a lot of fun. And yeah, there's nothing like it, man.
So key Old Miss. They bring in a top twenty
(16:26):
offense versus our nation's leading, number one leading defense, so
it should be a pretty good matchup, man. I mean,
of course, both teams will be will be without some
players that have opted out, and you know they're gonna
be playing on Sunday next year, So I get sometimes,
but klean king, who's going to play for Penn State?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
We know Top Robinson is gonna opt out? What are
your thoughts on the ends and outs of opts? If
that makes any sense?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
It's tough, it's tough. I mean, obviously got a blame
Christian McCaffrey and Leonardo net for all this crap that's
going on. Now. I can see in a way, why
if you're highly uh ranked to go out because I
remember the linebacker Jalen Smith I think from Notre Dame.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Remember he tore.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Actually a couple of years ago. The quarterback from oh
Miss Carrol. I think that was named Carol and the
Sugar Bowl Matt Carroll, I think that was his name,
and the Sugar Bowl messes me up so and obviously
I get that because obviously that can always be a risk,
but I don't know, it's just for me. It's just
(17:40):
I mean, obviously because we're I guess we're in that
old era. If we were in there now, maybe we'd change.
But just the one last time I get to play
for my guy, with my guys, and you know, like
with me, I mean, obviously we were going to go
to undefeated and the whole going for the national number
on ranking all that, so.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
A whole year, you didn't have to after the game.
That a whole year. Yeah, don't be a hypocrite here,
I mean a whole year.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Let's say we were playing no. Obviously, back then the
big team champions of Rose Bowl. Second place is the
Citrus Bowl. You know, if we were in the Citrus
Bowl and then they had me carry top five, what
I thought, that wouldn't even cross my mind because it
was one more time. I get the one word uniform
because I loved my school, I love my teammates, and
(18:36):
I just love playing with my guys. And then you
won't be able to get that experience again. And you know,
obviously now we're like two old men. No no reliving
our old Penn State pass. But but the thing we
always talk about it and the reason why it is
because we we cherished it and we enjoyed it so much,
and it's gonna be gone and you'll never have that
(18:58):
opportunity again, and you don't want to ever go back
and say, damn, you know, I know I left out,
but man, I wish I would have seen or just
had me. Obviously, when you're I mean obviously your teammates man,
they'd be like, damn, dude, why are you flake out
on it? I get it, but no, we got one
more game. Let's went out. Let's go out over the
w It's a business now. So so it's kind of
(19:18):
like I'm kind of like on that that line, which
I get the player side now, but at the same
time as like, if you love your school and you
love playing, you know how that one opportunity to run
out of tunnel and build to wear a blue and
white again.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
So well, I think you need to tell everybody you
know what Joe Paterno said to you when you know
you were going to go pro. It went along the
lines and something like you how much you've done for
the university, It is time for I mean tell us
about that key.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Well, like I said, our site was a little different
because we said we're trying to play for national title,
number one ranking. No, obviously there was Nebraska undefeated two.
So no, it kind of all started. I think we
talked about when we played Indiana. There's a photo of
Joe talking to me on the bench and he was like,
You're gonna get a lot of exposure. There's a lot
(20:10):
of people out there, Uh, gonna want to talk to you.
You don't get a lot of note right now, but
just keep your nose to the grindstone and keep focusing.
Good things will happened for you. So that's kind of four.
But then obviously after our last game gainst Michigan State,
know I had a good game. We want undefeated and
you know, be carrying Bobby. We did our little College
Football Award tour and Bob Hope Show and things like that.
(20:33):
You get you know, you get caught up. But I
still didn't know what I was doing because I was
still trying to focus in on the task at hand.
And we had to beat Oregon to one to go
on the feed. Yeah, but you know, obviously know you
you know, the Bowl games, you get a lot of
time on your on your side. You don't have the
media outlets that you have now, but people talking to
you and and the lobby and things like that, and
(20:56):
you know a lot of times I'll try to hide
and sneak through the back because I don't want people
bothering me. But then after the game, uh no we won, No,
I got Goosebum'm talking about this right now, we go
Joe won. Joe was like, come to my suite. I'm
under class, I mean technically under class. I'm like your sweep.
(21:18):
Usually only the seniors get to come up there, right,
So yeah, So I get up there and I come up.
Phil Knight was there. I'm like, damn, this is what's up. No,
Joe was there and he was like, well, he just
told me. He said, I need to talk to you tomorrow.
Huh he said, yeah, I need you come on to
my room. WoT I need I need to talk to you.
(21:39):
I said, okay, coach. Next thing I know, we party
and having fun. We want the rosebud. No, hopefully we
gonna be no cod National champs.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
So the next day, a.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Little hungover, well a little over come, we go see
coach and then he had next day he told my
mom too, So my mom, I'm like, what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Mom?
Speaker 3 (21:57):
He's like, a coach asked me to come right. So
we get up there and sorry for this long win
a story, but he said that. He was like, he
was like, look, you had a great season this year.
No proud of what you guys done, you know, as
as a team, proud of you guys done. And and
obviously you had a great career and you had a
(22:18):
great season individually. He said, there's a lot of a
lot of buzz going on about you. Because the carriage
already fiftie senior so he.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Had to leave.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Kyle was already gone. There's a lot of buzz going
on about you. And I'm sure you heard it too.
And Joe in the background, you know, doing his due
diligence to find out where I get drafted. He was like,
through my sources that I've heard throughout the league that
they said you're gonna be a top five pick. I'm like, huh.
(22:48):
He said, yeah, if you decide to go, you'll be
a top five pick. Now, I heard the buzz because
that's when the Panthers and the Jaguars with expansion teams.
So you know you had all that goal. I'm like, wow.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
He was like, you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
I want you to do what you what you feel
is best for you. But I just want to have
your mom here and just let you know that you did.
You did all you could for this university. No, you wouldn't.
We went undefeated. No, fortunately you didn't get into with
the heisman. But I think it's time for you to
go now. If you want to stay, No, you can
(23:24):
make that decision. No, you say, but he said for me,
I'm basically I'm giving you my blessing, and I think
it's time for you to leave because you don't know.
I mean, obviously during the draft, you know, top five pick,
you don't know. You don't know if you'll go one, five, three, four, it. Man,
I might slip like an Aaron Margers.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
You don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
But that's what the word he was getting. He said
it would be selfish for him to hold me back
and say no, basically, to fulfill a dream for not
only me, no personally for as a full player. But
obviously be able to take care of your family. And
he said that, no, I want you to do that.
And then and he said, I say, coach care I said, okay,
(24:03):
I'll do that. I said'll think about it. But I said,
if I do that, can I still go to school
because one thing I probably my mom that no matter what,
that I would graduate. He said absolutely. He said that's absolutely.
So that's the kind of story. Basically, he just said, no,
you did all you could form the university to be
selfish for him to hold me back and obviously, you
(24:27):
know here, I think he's the first player to ever
tell me to do so. And again I don't know,
like Blair was a number two pick, but he was
a senior, so maybe I was the first underclassman. I
guess dad had an opportunity to go. I have potential
to go that high that he let go. But yeah,
that's what he That's what he told me. And it
(24:48):
was kind of had like a lump of my throat
on gonna be honest when he told me that, I'm
sitting there like in it says I still didn't make
a decision. I said, okay, but then I'm like one,
I was like Damn, this might be the last time
that I might be with coach as my coach, no
team coach, and in the in the hotel and everything,
and a lot of things are racing through my mind.
And then then obviously, you know, threw back to school
(25:10):
after after the game and made a decision.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Hell yeah, man, eighty yards off rip you know what
I mean, that would have my thesiston was already made
right there.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Man, that's an amazing story.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Man.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
I love it, man, and that you know I've heard it,
and I'm glad that I get the chance to hear
you say it again, man.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
And yeah, I'm just fortunate that.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Yeah, I'm just fortunate man that you know that I
got to witness you as a you know, as a
as a as a high.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
School kid, a college kid, and in the pros.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
I ran home to watch the the Rose Bowl run
because I mean, it's just an honor, man. And I
know what these Bowl games mean to kids, and that's
why it's important sometimes for these guys to actually go
there and experience that experience. And I hope some of
these schools, even if kids opt out, they let them
go experience the Bowl outside the game, because really the
(26:07):
Bowl game is one thing, but the whole experience is
a thing.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
That's what I'm saying. I mean, obviously, the game is
a game, and obviously as the probably the best ball experience.
I was a freshman. You know, I was already red shirted.
You know, you get a little basically, we were playing
in finish and if you has the boat, obviously that's
when you busted Tennessee's ass. But you know, as a freshman,
you know, you go practice this and that, but it's
the whole experience. You get to hang out, Uh, you
go sight seeing, you know, get to hang out with
(26:33):
my elder older classmen like you, and bowl and other
people outside of school. So the bowl, like you said,
the experience, but the game is a game and practice practice,
but it's just no, you don't have class and you
hang out the pool and hotel and you know, go
kick a little bit in the evening time if you're
of age. So uh, I think, like you said, just
(26:57):
the experience of the whole entire thing too, is just
I was a part of the part of it. I
want thing big up to Coach Franklin. He was like
he basically said, like guys can come and then they
can play as long as they wants as some of
them like chop no, no, if you want to play
a player a series or whatever.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Walk out with your team again started a little bit,
whatever it might be.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah, a lot of coaches won't do that, and that's
that's that's big up to coach frank because what I'm
sure so coaches like, oh, you're leaving us all right,
see ya, where he's like, no, we're embracing them. So
big up to coach Franklin for saying that and offering
that to the players too.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Well, my bowl games in my five years, we missing
my freshman year, but my bowl games went to Miami twice,
Phoenix once, and San Diego once, so I had you
can imagine better cities than that. I come back to Miami,
which we know and love. Yes, who's bizack? Yeah last
(27:54):
thirty years. Yeah, I was Phoenix before we get out
of here. K Yeah, Phoenix, Phoenix. You at Miami of course.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Such as Bolt Orlando and then California, l.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
A and Citrus. Yeah, great cities yourself, doggie.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Yeah, all January one, l A, January one.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
To see now now you're rubbing in because back in
the day, somebody might have been on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
There was so so unimportant.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Hollow Bowl was serious though. The Holland Bowl was serious.
I remember that boy was serious.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
It was dope. That was dope. That's that's when I
met Junior A man. It was it was great.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
It was great, all right, man. Before we get out
of here, man, I got well talked real quick. Penn
State named Alan tom Allen defense coordinator, replacing Manny dis Ds.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
He was off to be Duke's new head man. Uh
and he did it.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
I would see a phenomenal job here at Penn State
for the past a few years, and of course we
wish him the best. Tom Allen though, I mean he's
had men in Indiana for the past seven years. And
I think it's you know, and that's that's important. I
think it's awesome having another head coach, you know, with
head coaching experience on the staff.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Yeah, yeah, I think. I mean obviously that Mayne was
the head coach in Miami before he got to let Go.
I know a lot of people were kind of frowning
at the higher at first, or the rumor when he
might be hired. But I always say, I know we're
gonna talk. You'll see in a minute. But if you
can have a coach like coach Allen what he did
for Indiana. Now, granted a couple of years, this last
(29:35):
few years they've been a par but Indiana. You'll never
see Indiana on the top ranking of anything. You'll never
see no four stars. I mean, I'm like I say never,
but four stars, highly touted, no athletes. The one thing
he can do he can coach and get the best
out of his players. And obviously the one season, obviously
(29:58):
we always controversy when Phoenix said it was a touchdown
and we say it's not anyway, but that year that
that team, they had a great season, and they had
a bunch of no names and no disrespect to who's
your program. But Indiana is not on the level of
a Penn state, you know, the top echelon programs in
the country. But he's able to coach and get the
(30:20):
best avis players. And you can see him on the
field even when we played him this year. I mean
they played us type those first three quarters. I mean,
but he's out there high fiving players, giving players hugs,
and very energetic. That's the infectious spirit that I love
and you see like he's a good hearted man, and
I think that's gonna rub off well because now not
(30:40):
only can he coach, but now he's got top echelon players.
So now you put you put those two together in
a just same thing with Manny last year, and that's
what he can do with the defense, and I think
also they can help him out. He's a head coach
no coming to a program like ours, learn the ins
and outs and seeing how the big programs are no
(31:03):
that can run. I think it's gonna be good because
I think what Manny Di has learned no direspect to
the Hurricanes, but he's gonna take a lot to learn
and Penn State taking it all over on the Duke
and then the same thing without him. He's an older gentleman.
I'm not sure if he wants to be a head
coach again, but I think this kind of fits his nature.
He seemed like he really cares about his players, like
(31:24):
I said, and very energetic, but at the same time
hard knows and uh coaches his players harder and gets
a lot of other players. And I think that's what
we're going to see.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Yeah, I love it, man, I love it. Man Well
I you know, I just know that love another great higher.
I know, I knew Manny Diaz is gonna be a
great higher because I know what he did down here
for the you as a defense coordinator, and I mean
he's he proved it that defense. Our defense's top five
defense every year he's been here. And he's putting guys
(31:57):
in the league, which is also important. And I know,
you know, and even at the Rose Bull Key, I
said by his dad, you know, for the game, and
I was like, I just told him how much I
appreciate your son being here at Penn State. Because a
lot of head coaches, man, they there, it's tough for
them to go back down to being a coordinator. But
it was just Biden his time, you know what I mean,
(32:19):
kind of like Bill O'Brien type of deal. But Tom Allen,
I know, he's a reputable guy in the in the
in the in the NCAA period. You know, you don't
hold a job in college football for seven years unless
you're doing something right, you know, And I think that's
that's important. I like that coach Franklin, which has been
a tough deal, you know, having the guys that want
(32:39):
to be a part of his staff. You know, we
struggle with offensive coordinators. We got Manny, We got blessed
with Manny Diz And I think this is another great
addition to you know, what we need to do is
when you're a head coach, your coordinators need to be exceptional.
Your recruiters need to be exceptional. And I think that
that's that's the key point right now when when hiring
a guy like Alan.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Yeah, and I think also obviously you know, being in
Indiana and is not necessarily a hot bed for recruiting
and football, but there might be some areas in that
area where he might have expertise because with Indiana, they
gotta they they recruit more regionally. I would say probably
more than us. He could go nationally. So now he
could he knows like certain schools and players and things
(33:21):
like that, where he might try to recruit in Indiana
to come, they're not gonna go to an end. But
now he said, hey, I'm at Penn State. Now we
can go get these kids that might be Diamond or
russ or star players instead of having to go into
the Michigan, Ohigo States or elsewhere, you know, bring him
over to Happy Valley.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Yeah, that's that's a that's a great point because I'll
tell you what. Once Ohio State fired Earl Bruce and
then brought in John Cooper, I was I was going
to Ohio State when that happened. You know, even Ohio
State and Randy Hart, I love him, man, he was
getting his whole staff was getting fired. He was going
(34:00):
to Washington. He still told me that Penn State was
the place for me. But if you got a guy
come from Indiana and you got some kids that are
dialed in to go to Indiana, and you give him
an opportunity to go to Penn State, no dispect Indiana,
he might be able to bring some of the top
guys out of Indiana or that neighboring.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Area that wanted to stay closer to the home. He
might be able to pull some of those guys for us.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
I totally, I totally agree. I mean, I mean, if
you look at a lot of the successful, big programs
out there, I mean, again I hate despect that I
talking about some else's program, but they all came from
like smaller.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
There's no disrespect to me. It's understand where people are going.
I mean, they come up from.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Small schools and they learn how to really coach because
they don't have the star players, so they scheme up
you really motivate their players and train and this and
that get the maximum effort out of their players. So
now I want to get to those big programs. It
just runs like clockwork. And I just think he's going
to have an infectious spirit and attitude that's going to
(34:58):
rub off on our guys. And I think it's vice
versa and and honestly, winning always helps. I mean, you know,
going six and six, five and seven, maybe seven and five,
not saying there's nothing wrong with that, but it's different
when you're expected to say, you know what, we're gonna
go ten to two, eleven, one, twelve, and oh a
little bit of expectancy out there and feel confident when
(35:19):
we go up stepping on the field that we're supposed
to winning each one of these games. But that's that's
a different feeling.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Man. For getting out of here real quick, man, I
just want to say that, you know, Penn State's recruiting
class came out really, really good. I mean, we got
the number one tied end in the country, we got
the number two player in Ohio and quarterback.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
You know what the running you know what.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
That quarterback from is he he's from the club from
he's from he's such Ohio boy, he's not.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
From your school. Because not from your school, you can't
talk about it. Yeah, no way.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
And also running back Quentin and Martin from Pennsylvania again
penn State winning the state. We'll rank somewhere between fourteen
and sixteen, and so it should be good man, we'll
be alright. I saw a lot of old linemen and
d linemen which where you have to start everything, and
some guys that fliped from not flip, but this chose
us over like Ohio States and Alabamas and schools like that,
(36:26):
Notre Dames. When you get you get guys choosing you
over those schools, their potential is great for those guys.
If those other schools as well are recruiting those kids.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
I got so one talk about what you're saying is
it's always about Okay, I know these rankings are good. Yeah,
we want to be top five, top ten, and a
lot is based on skill players, listen to that. But
we had a need, and our need was the trenches.
And I think we got one of those linemen that
would used to be a quarterback, good athlete. We had
(36:55):
to go into trenches, so it might not be as
sexy as as in the past as rain. But did
we fit Phil Knees that we need to have on
this team. And I think we did a great job
with that. And then two then we talked about coach Allen,
but we gotta talk about our new OC coordinator. They
came from Kansas. No, I think I don't want to
(37:18):
butcher his name, but just kind of like with coach
Chalen what he did with Kansas programming. They know they
had a good win in their bowl game. No, Kansas
is not a jugger out. They played the big twelve
guy go against the Oklahoma's and Texas and stuff like that,
and they recruit originally. But he has an innovative mind
and put his players in certain positions, if his motion formations,
(37:42):
whatever it is, to get their players open. And now
you have elite athletes like us like on our offensive side.
So I think that's gonna really do well for Drew.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
All right, let's get out of here. Man.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
Thank you guys, please think thank you guys for joining us,
and we are Key and Juice Podcast.
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