Bonus: Daily Review With Clay and Buck - Jul 01 2025

Meet my friends, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton!  If you love Verdict, the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show might also be in your audio wheelhouse. Politics, news analysis, and some pop culture and comedy thrown in too.

 

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Senate Passes Big, Beautiful Bill

 

In Hour 1 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, the hosts deliver a dynamic and timely breakdown of the Senate’s passage of the “Big Beautiful Bill”, a sweeping legislative package poised to reshape the political and economic landscape. Passed by a narrow 51-50 margin with Vice President JD Vance casting the tie-breaking vote, the bill now awaits President Donald Trump’s signature, expected by July 4th.

 

This hour dives deep into the bill’s key provisions, including a $5 trillion debt ceiling increase, hundreds of billions allocated for border security and national defense, and a projected $3.3 trillion budget deficit increase through 2034. The hosts analyze the political drama surrounding the bill’s passage, highlighting opposition from Republican Senators Rand Paul, Tom Tillis, and Susan Collins, and the expected reconciliation process in the House.

 

Lefty Language Games 

 

Analysis of the Senate’s passage of the “big, beautiful bill,” a major piece of legislation expected to stimulate economic growth, provide tax certainty, and enhance border security. The hosts emphasize the bill’s imperfections but argue its net benefits outweigh its flaws, especially in the context of a government that often lacks the political will to reduce spending.

 

A significant portion of the hour is dedicated to the unsustainable trajectory of federal spending, with references to past efforts by figures like Ross Perot, Senator Ron Johnson, and Senator Rand Paul. The hosts critique both parties for failing to curb entitlement growth and highlight how slowing the rate of spending increases is misleadingly labeled as “cuts.” They also explore how artificial intelligence and productivity gains could potentially offset fiscal challenges, offering a rare optimistic note on economic innovation.

 

The Art of the Possible

 

The Big Beautiful Bill now heads back to the House, where the Freedom Caucus may voice opposition, but it’s expected to reach President Donald Trump’s desk for signature before the July 4th holiday.

 

A major highlight of the hour is President Trump’s visit to “Alligator Alcatraz” in Ochopee, Florida, a remote airstrip facility intended for detaining and deporting illegal immigrants. Trump’s remarks emphasized deterrence, warning migrants against fleeing into the Everglades. The segment underscores the administration’s tough stance on immigration and sanctuary cities, with speculation that legal challenges may arise from cities defying federal deportation orders.

 

Best Movie of the 21st Century?

 

Clay and Buck debate the best movies of the 21st century, referencing a recent New York Times list. Films like The Dark Knight, There Will Be Blood, No Country for Old Men, and The Pianist are discussed, with particular praise for Heath Ledger’s iconic performance as the Joker. The conversation also includes listener favorites and humorous disagreements over ice cream flavors—particularly pistachio—and nostalgic TV shows like Knight Rider and The Dukes of Hazzard.

 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome everybody.

Speaker 3 (00:05):
Tuesday edition of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
kicks off.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Now.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
It is big, it is beautiful, and it is now law.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
The Big Beautiful Bill has just moments ago passed in
the United States cent Okay, I know Trump has to
sign it, but you know it's happening. Trump's going to
sign this big beautiful bill. So the Big beautiful Bill
has gone through. It will be on the President's desk.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
This is huge. It is huge.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
We will get into some of the final items that
were in this. We will discuss some of the no votes.
There were some no votes. We'll also talk about how
Elon Musk, formerly of DOGE fame pretty unhappy with the
situation here of the five trillion dollar debt ceiling rays.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
I think there's still potentially bucked a little bit of
drama because I think the House will now have to
come back and agree to some.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
Of the.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
Side I got ahead of myself there too excited, too excited,
So there will there will be some drama that's in reconciling.
It's going to go through the House has already passed it.
It's going to go through. But thank you for the yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Sorely for me for the nerdy edition where there will
continue to be drama. First is that going to take though?
I don't know, I I I just we have not
spent a ton of time on the minute by minute
because we knew that this was going to pass and
it will pass on some level. Uh, but they still
have some maneuvering. I think Trump wants it by July fourth, right,

(01:39):
is the ideal day that he would sign it, which
is Friday, And so I imagine that they are hoping that
the House will sign off on the changes made by
the Senate at some point in time in the next
several days. But that's the timeframe. Uh so that is
the last drama to be had before this thing is
officially signed an underway, which.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Is not gonna be It's not gonna mean drama.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
I mean they're gonna you know what I mean, Like,
come on, what's the drama gonna be, Clay, Someone's really
the Republicans aren't gonna actually do the thing that they've
already said they were gonna do. I don't I don't
see it, but yes, procedurally speaking, they have to reconcile it, right,
So the house as the set of the set, it says,
how's that? Okay, So let's get into what is in
the big beautiful bill, which I do believe is its

(02:25):
official is its official name.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
I'm just seeing now.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
I think it happened so recently, Clay, that all the
the news sites live and in real time here are
still updating.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Past as we came on the air like that is, yes,
the second absolute latest breaking news.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
That's why I got all excited. Okay, so it was
happening in real time. We got to open the show with, ah,
it has past. The said it fifty one fifty, and
jd Vance had to step in to uh write, Jade Vance,
I'm reading this in real time because it just happened.
Just you understand, this wasn't like an hour. What happened
seconds or minutes ago. Three Republicans ran Paul of Kentucky,

(03:06):
Tom Tillis of North Carolina, not running next year. Susan
Collins of Maine joined Democrats to vote against the bill.
Paul opposed the legislation's five trillion dollars debtlimit, et cetera. Okay,
so Susan Collins. Not a surprise. Rand Paul being Rand Paul,
Trump's probably gonna have some truths for him that are
not very nice. And Tom tillis here. Lisa Murkowski was

(03:30):
the final piece. She backed the bill after discussions with
Thune twenty four hours of motions and amendments. Senate Republican
leaders altered the bill right up to the final moments.
So this was this was down to the wire, everyone
to get the things they wanted to get into in here.
Hundreds of billions for border security, national defense, increased budget

(03:54):
deficit by about three point three trillion through twenty thirty four. Yeah,
look it's I'll tell you, the White House is very
excited about this.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
I think the economy is going to look.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Really good as a result of this, or rather, there's
going to be a lot of good things that happened. Clay,
we knew it would get through. Yeah, tie breaking vote
from JD. Van So it was a close run thing here.
We knew it would get through. It's getting through now. Okay,
the House reconciles it on their end. What are your
thoughts as we sit here and bask in the glow

(04:29):
of MAGA another win up on the board.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
So I think the big question is going to be
how fast can the economy grow? So, now that this
bill is done, the ability to grow the economy is
how we end up keeping from having to massively increase
the overall debt, and so that is my biggest question.

(04:54):
Can we get this economy moving at three percent growth
doesn't sound found outrageous to me, but it is better
than we have been growing the economy over the past
decade or so fifteen years on average, And so to me,
the biggest question out there is how fast can we
grow the economy? To me, the secondary question on this

(05:17):
is can we get the FED to lower interest rates?
Our interest rates are about two percent above where the
EU is right now at four point twenty five four
point five. You guys can correct me in the studio
if I get the percentages wrong. I think the numbers
need to be around two and a half frankly where
the EU is. If that were to happen, then mortgage

(05:39):
rates and theory are going to come back. That would
unlock the housing market, which is I think the most
frozen aspect of the American economy right now. So many
of you got the two and a half or three
percent fifteen and thirty year mortgages. Congrats, but it's been
several years and we accelerated those so rapidly that lots

(06:00):
of people are unwilling to sell their homes or move
despite changing life circumstances, because the difference between a two
and a half and a three and a seven percent
mortgage rate is so massively substantial. If that starts to
get unfrozen, then I think a lot of the other
aspects of the economy will start to fire on all cylinders.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
So the House Freedom Caucus, I was asking, who's going
to cause drama here? I was all excited, like, Okay,
this is finally happening. We're looking at a holiday coming
up here, a great holiday weekend. Country's kicking ass. Things
going really well. House Freedom Caucus says, and this is
as of the last twenty four hours. House budget framework
was clear. No new deficit spending in the One Big

(06:41):
Beautiful Bill. The Senates version adds six hundred and fifty
one billion to the deficit, and that's before interest costs,
which nearly double the total. That's not fiscal responsibility, that's
not what we agreed to. The Senate must make major
changes and should at least be in the ballpark of
compliance with the House Budget Framework.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Uh, are they really going to do this? Are they
going to do this?

Speaker 1 (07:06):
I think they're gonna be some drama associated with this,
and I think ultimately everybody if.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
The drama is just so they get attention and then
they let this go through, they're just being annoying. I'm
just gonna say this because we've already We've already had
this discussion.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
I get it. This is the best you're gonna get.
And there's people out there who are gonna say, Look,
Rand Paul's right about the deficit. I think he is.
Chip Uh, Chip Roy is right about the deficit. I
think he is. This is the best bill that's going
to pass and you just saw. I have yet to
see anyone come up with a bill that could get

(07:44):
passage in the Senate and the House and do as
much of this bill does. Politics is the art of
the possible. I get people out there that are upset
about the debt, the deficit. I am Look. The reality
is nobody wants to address the fact that entitlement spending,
Social Security, and medicare make it virtually impossible to largely

(08:05):
restrict the size of the federal government, and as soon
as you mentioned that, we get flooded, and every politician
does with Hey, that money is mine, I want it back.
And so the structural issues we have at play here,
and this is a challenge, and I don't want to
be the want walk guy, but the structural issues we

(08:26):
have in play is there are way more older people
now than there are younger people in many advanced countries
in the world, and entitle what programs are predicated on
there being way more younger people than there are older people.
And if you are around our age, the math doesn't
add up for us to get the Social Security dollars

(08:47):
back that we put in. And that's just the reality.
Without adjusting based on retirement ages, based on just looking
at population tables, I presume that I'm going to get
virtually nothing from Social Security. That's me. I'm forty six.
You know, people can start taking social Security. I think
it's sixty two, so I'm not that far away. Well,

(09:09):
I don't think it's going to be there. This is
why I find the whole thing frustrating.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
And I appreciate that Rand Paul wants to Senator Paul
wants to have his voice heard on this, and mathematically
he's right, but politically he's wrong because no one's going
to do anything about this right now, and there's no
willingness among the American people, even people who say they
want to tackle the debt to do it.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
It's like having a debt ceiling fight.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
It's a fake fight because we always raise the debt
ceiling and then if they default, they don't really Rather
there's discussion about default, they're not really going to default.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
So it just becomes tiresome and you lose. It's the
boy who cried wolf.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
You lose public interest, and I think that yeah, until
people want to talk about entitlements just to keep spending
the money we have to spend to achieve the priorities
of the Republican Party. If we don't have a secure
border and we don't deal with the illegal immigration issue,
we Medicare and social security in thirty years is going
to be the least of our problems because we're not
gonna have a country any more.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
So.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
The hundreds of billions of dollars that are going toward
border security and the deportation efforts of the illegals who
pile them. Under Biden it's absolutely essential. A lot of
the things that are covered in the big beautiful bill
are going to be I believe rocket fuel for the economy.
Growth is also really important. Remember nobody's factoring in that
Trump wasn't I should say, factoring in Trump's tariffs into

(10:25):
financial and fiscal matters for the country. It's already one
hundred and twenty billion dollars and it's just getting going.
So you know, there are other pathways maybe that could
be considered here that might make the situation better. Now
that I mean I did, I'll say, I know that
Trump had to sign it, so I've forgotten.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Now the House has the reconcile on their side for
a second, and I.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
Think they're just gonna do what they did. We're gonna
get a bunch of windy speeches about the debt, the debt,
the debt, and then they're gonna and then they're gonna
vote for it. I don't understand what's We all get it.
We all understand there's nothing else to be said until
until you want to deal with entitlements. Everybody, you don't
want to deal with the debt. End of story, full stop,
end of conversation, And nobody wants to deal with entitlement,
so let's just do what we can to achieve the

(11:05):
agenda we've got. While Trump's running things.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
I think that there's going to be a recognition that
entitlement spending is out of control and everybody's gonna have
to get their benefits cut. And we should have We
should have a real conversation about social Security and the
fact that it's actually not a very good deal and

(11:29):
most Americans just don't really look into it because it's
been established for a long time. The government takes your money,
they give you a three percent return roughly on it,
and if you die, this is all you'll never get it.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
You know that this is all falling on deaf ears.
People love their people love social Security, and you know
what the problem is, Clay, the lunatic communists who are
certainly right now sitting around a lot of them praising
the Mom Donnie wing of the Democrat Party. They're not
going to get into what you're talking about. They're just
gonna tell people bull they're taking your social Security, and
then you lose, and then the communists are in charge
and then they ruin everything. So this is truth, is

(12:07):
the political reality of America right now, and Trump sees it,
and I that's why I have my patience for this
thing and my patients even for beyond. Yeah, of course,
hear it out, make the case, tell everybody the numbers.
But standing in the way of the Trump agenda because
you say that you're not getting the cuts you want.
You're not getting the cuts. Okay, it's not happening. You're
you're not You're not actually going to deal with the dead.

(12:27):
It's thirty seven trillion dollars, it's not happening.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
How many people do you think even understands so security.
What percentage of the American population?

Speaker 3 (12:35):
I mean, they know that they get money when they're
when they're older, and they needed it. I mean that's
all they care to know. But the fact that it's
an awful deal.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
And if you got to keep your own money and
you just put it in index funds.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
You would people don't trust themselves. People don't They would
spend it. People would spend it on a jet ski
and then they'd say, oh, but I need help now.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
And you know this is this is the problem. People want.
Everybody wants somebody else to pay for their stuff.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
Realizing that they're the ones paying for the stuff they
think is coming from other people.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
I think the biggest challenge is it's so embedded now
that most people don't even examine the underlying concept, which
is basically a big pyramid scheme, and it's predicated on
there always being way more young people than there are
old people. And we're not in that era anymore.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Clay, the average person pays in to medicare less than
half of what they take out of Medicare in terms
of the.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Actual cost of their care.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
But if you tell anybody that you're going to change Medicare,
you know what they say, I paid for that. It's
not welfare, it's an entitlement. I've paid for it. I
deserve it. Okay, Well, if I give you money for
one ice cream cone, but you keep giving me two
ice cream cones, you're going to run out of ice
cream cones. Nobody wants to hear it. And honestly, I'm
excited about the border. I'm excited about saving the country.
I'm excited about the Trump agenda being funded. You know,

(13:55):
I'm with Stephen Miller on this stuff. Man, Like, we
got to save the country now, so we'll figure out
the debt later. When people want to have big boy
conversations about it, they don't actually the America answer you
want to have the conversation.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
The answer then becomes the growth rate is everything, yep,
because the growth rate of the country is what can
turn this into a net positive bill. So if you
are optimistic on AI, if you want to unleash individual
American meritocracy, if we ever got the country growing at
four percent again, all of these issues vanish basically, right

(14:31):
a four percent a year, four percent a year, four
percent a year. We're growing at like one point five
percent a year, one point eight percent a year. The
overall growth rate of the American economy is the key.
If overall spending is not going to be addressed, and
there doesn't seem to be a political will unfortunately, as
you and I believe there should be. If you look

(14:51):
at just the basic books, the political will isn't there
to address the spending.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
And so we live in a match to understand understand.
It's not convincing Republicans to tackle the debt. It's dealing
with the fact that Democrats will call you heartless, you know, ruthless,
throwing old ladies off their medicare and taking away social
security from hardworking Americans so they can seize power and

(15:17):
act like communist maniacs. That's the problem. So this is
it's not just like we're having to talk on our side.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
And also the concept of cut, which the media I
think does a poor job of slowing the rate of growth,
is not a cut. It's still a growth. But they
have managed to create this idea, well, we're going to
dial back to growth of the of the of the
overall spending, and that is seen as a cut. Oh,
you're cutting spinning. No, spinning is still growing, it's just

(15:43):
not growing at the same rate. And honestly, I think
a lot of this is just communication failure. I don't
think people know the details. I think a lot of
people don't care to know the details.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Spoiler alert.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
It's going to pass and Trump's gonna end up signing it,
and everyone who's chirping about this from the Congress in
the meantime is going to go along with what's basically there.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Just throw it out there for everybody.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
But the debt is not being dealt with, that is
for sure. And that is why the Bricks conference is
so interesting. It's going on next week right around this
time for zill Russia, India, China. You know what they're
trying to do. Get off the dollar as the world's
reserve currency. Why does that matter, Well, that would be
a huge lifestyle change for all Americans if that happens,
and as it happens over time, it means that we

(16:24):
can't fund the things that we fund right now with
money printing the same way because other countries aren't going
to buy our debt and we can't just print our
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Speaker 1 (17:51):
The Senate has passed the big beautiful bill that happened
right at the start of the first hour of today's
program that will now go back to the House. End
result is going to be passage. Seems to be I
would say general happiness over this passing, but also a

(18:12):
I don't know that I've picked up on this before,
a demand for perfection in bills, the likes of which
I have not seen in the past. All bills passed
by Congress are imperfect. Many of them are, unfortunately awful,
which is why in many ways I would just like

(18:33):
less government. I think most of you out there would
like less government. Just get out of the way and
let individual excellence triumph, which is how you get the
economy growing. But this bill, I think will aid substantially
in getting the economy growing. It will provide certainty on

(18:55):
tax rates, It will further shut down the southern border.
It is imperfect, as all acts of Congress are, but
I believe the net benefits are very much in a
positive direction. Now, for those of you out there that
are concerned about government spending, you're right, the government spending

(19:15):
is out of control. There is not, however, the political
will to address government spending, either on the Democrat or
the Republican side. It doesn't exist. If you argue for it.
In cutting government spending, cutting entitlements, all these things, you
don't get elected. And to Buck's point, eventually communists take power,

(19:38):
and they spend more money, and they tax you at
a higher rate. So I don't know who the great
communicator is going to be that can actually sit down.
I feel like in many ways, back in the day,
some of you will remember this Ross Perrot used to
just buy commercial time in nineteen ninety two, and he
had his.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Western can it finish?

Speaker 1 (20:00):
He had his lectern, and he had his like a pointer,
and he would stand there and just make the case
as a executive would about how government spending was out
of control. I think Ron Johnson is right on this.
I think Grand Paul is right on this. We have
allowed embedded spending excess to be continued from COVID. I

(20:21):
agree with all of it. The political will to address
it isn't there. And Democrats this is where they win
a lot of these arguments because they have established the
definition of a cut is actually slowing the rate of growth.
I've never heard of this being applied anywhere else.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
This is really this was true Republicans in the Tea
Party era trying with there was that. There was a
huge fight, and it was about slowing the rate of
the increase of spending. It was about spending less of
a of a you know, bringing the trajectory of increase
spending down just a little bit and in the decrease

(21:01):
in the increase. Yes, and this was a huge political
fight back in the Tea Party days a decade ago.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
So yeah, I you.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
Know, I don't want to be I don't want to
be dismissive or cynical about it. But usually when I
say that, it's because I'm about to be. We just
haven't suffered enough. People haven't spent enough. They haven't seen
enough of their grandchildren not living up to the you know,
the quality of life that they themselves had. Or we
haven't seen enough money going to paying interest and having

(21:30):
that crowd out private spending. We haven't seen enough of
the tax raises that eventually are going to be a
part of trying to stabilize this. Like you know, that's
or or or happiness, because we're going into a holiday
weekend and I already have holiday brain going on here
a little bit or clay. We find ways that AI
and productivity and growth are so profound that it's it's

(21:53):
a something of a fiscal miracle, right. I mean, we
become so productive and so efficient as an economy that
we're able to grow our way, if not out of it,
grow our way to continued stability with it.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
That's a possibility as well.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
I don't think that that's There are people who believe
that AI is going to be more transformational than even
the Internet has been fixed. Without that for a second,
so no one really knows what that means in terms
of how much wealth. You know, people think of wealth
as zero sum, and it's not. Now I'm barring from
Naval ravakand he's a very smart guy. Status is zero sum.

(22:29):
Wealth can actually be something that is real and that
is broadly shared. We're all a lot richer than the
richest people were in the fifteen hundreds. Why is that right?
The world has gotten a lot wealthier, not just individuals.
Status is a different thing, that's zero sum. So I
just don't know if we've reached the point. I don't
think we have reached the point of the country where
we want to tackle the problem. Maybe we want to

(22:51):
see if we can grow our way out of it,
and that's where we are. So any noise to the
contrary right now is unfortunate, just that noise.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
I think the are argument that might cut through from
a communication perspective is if you put on ten pounds
of weight every year and then suddenly you only put
on three. You're getting fat slower, but you're still getting fatter.
And the whole idea that slowing the rate of an

(23:19):
increase or slowing the rate of growth as a cut
is one of the most pernicious I think realities that
has been allowed to exist in the way we even
have conversation. This is where the left does a better
job with language, because defining a cut as something that
actually leads to something being greater is really what they
do in essence, because what it means is once they

(23:42):
get the money spent, they never dial back from the
money that has been spent. They embed it.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
It's also it's like revenue versus taxes. They don't use
the word tax really if they can avoid it. They'll
say revenue because revenue is just money the government has
which is good and goes to investing.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
That's what I'll also say, we need.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
To invest more in the following programs because investing sounds good.
What they mean is take your money under the threat
of fine, zan or imprisonment and put it into things
that the government decides, our payoffs for the constituents that
they need to pay off. That's what it actually is,
But they play games with the language. I say this
to Clay offline, I mean off air, I'll say it

(24:22):
to all of you. It's the same thing. When you
talk about minimum wage. Minimum wage is economically a flawed concept.
It does not work the way it is intended to work.
It never has, it never will, doesn't matter. People like it.
And if you say don't pay minimum wage, you know
what happens.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
You lose.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
So it's very hard and you could say, well, I'll
just convince people, make a better argument.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
You can convince some people.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Can you convince enough people that the communists who are
just going to shout you're a fat cat? They play
the politics of envy, the mom Donnie routine like this
mom Donnie stuff is none of this is new.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
It's the same thing with Bernie Sanders.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
Did you see Bernie Sanders sitting down with Joe Rogan recently?
I might add talking about the the lawsuits.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
That Trump is filing.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
You know what Bernie Sanders does whenever he's cornered with
a stupid argument, he pretends he doesn't know the details.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
This is what he does. He does this with economics too,
I might add, well, you know that'll have the fects
and the figures on that, so I can't get into it.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Then the no, it's because his arguments are trash clay.
But Bernie Sanders, Mamdani aoc, they're all doing the same thing,
which is ignoring history, ignoring math, and telling people they
have a secret sauce, a secret formula that's gonna make
everybody feel like they're getting enough and they're good enough
and everything is fine. It is always a lie, but

(25:37):
it's a very appealing lie.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Something that Trump is going to focus on buck that
I'm starting to see attention on that I think could
be transformative. Okay, we've talked now. The big beautiful Bill
is eventually going to pass in some fashions, pass the Senate,
past the House. They have to reconcile them. But I
don't think it's going to suddenly blow up. There's going
to be some form of a bill that passes. Okay,
so that is now moving forward in the agenda. There

(26:05):
is now and I think this is going to be
potentially transformative momentum to not count illegal immigrants for purposes
of the House seats. Have you seen this? This could
be hugely important and it's structural and it's massive. First
of all, we need a new census because I think

(26:26):
they screwed it up, and it would change the way
that the twenty twenty eight election map is set up
because it would mean that even if Democrats won Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania.
The electoral votes are not there to allow them to
be able to win two seventy to two sixty eight. Unfortunately,

(26:47):
the electoral college not going to be shifted. It doesn't
appear till after twenty thirty. But what no one talks
about that I think Trump could get behind, and this
could be really important too, is they count illegal immigrants
for purposes of House seats, and the number is roughly
seven hundred and thirty or seven hundred and forty thousand.

(27:10):
Congressmen represent individuals. If you said, hey, we're not counting
illegal immigrants at all for purposes of House seats, this
would mean that the House was not winnable for Democrats.
They may win the House back in twenty twenty six,
but structurally, if if I were now the Trump team

(27:31):
and I were giving them advice on something that I
think would be transformative in the illegal immigrant space, it
would be let's make it clear that you cannot count
illegal immigrants for purposes of redistricting House seats and districting
House seats, and this would probably knock at least ten

(27:52):
Democrat seats out of control. Why in the world should
these people be counted, and it be the case that
Democrats benefit overwhelmingly off of people that are not citizens,
not them voting, but just then being counted for census purposes.
This means that big cities and blue states that have

(28:13):
encouraged illegal immigrants to come into their locations would be
dialed back in their impact, and this would have a
substantial impact going forward. I think it's one of the
big things that I would say, Hey, now that we
got this done, let's focus on that.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Well.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
It also goes to the perception people have, which I
think is in this case correct, which is that the
system is rigged because if you're a political party that
is benefiting from violations of law, you are benefiting in
terms of, you know, cold hard facts of power when
it comes to leveraging something that is the mass violation,

(28:49):
the zero violation of American law. That's not the way
the game is supposed to be played, all right, The
refs have been paid off. This is a problem, and
as you point out, a substantial and a big one
by the numbers. So yeah, this is why I keep
saying though with the big beautiful bill, the illegals situation,
this is why Trump won this is the number one

(29:09):
reason in my mind that Trump won the election as
convincingly as he did. I know, there's other stuff, there's
a million things. Okay, it's always you're taking a snapshot
of the way that one hundred and fifty million people
decided to click one box or the other. But immigration
is the single issue that I think motivated more people
to get behind Trump. And this has to start getting

(29:30):
fixed right now because what we saw under Joe Biden
that is truly unsustainable if you want to consider this
to be America going forward, not in fifty years, in
five years, you can't have another ten million illegals pile
into this country on top of the illegals that are
already here and think that this is still going to
be what we've thought it is. And Clay, it's already

(29:52):
having a huge political effect as we see give all
these cities that are trying to thwart federal law enforcement.
Well that's because the political power of the illegal constituents
in those cities is huge.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
And they know that they have to try and preserve it.
We'll take some calls on this, and we'll take some
of your cars. We don't have any guest scheduled today
eight hundred and two eight two two eight A two.
You can always talk back lots of emails rolling in
will dive into some of those because a lot of
you have big.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Takes on all of that as well. Play wants to
cut your Social Security, so calling and yell at them.

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Decision. This is why I get, This is why I
don't have to run for elective office. I can actually
tell you the truth as opposed to having to lie
to everybody and be like, hey, it's a magical world.
Everybody's gonna get more money than you ever put in
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Speaker 3 (31:48):
The big news the day at the top of the show,
just to recap, right as we came on air, I mean,
within moments, the Senate had passed on a fifty one
to fifty vote, the Big Beautiful Bill Jdvay.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
It's had to be the.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Tie break on that one. Tom Tillis, Rand Paul, who's
the somebody else didn't get Oh Collins didn't vote for me.
So yep, that was what happened there. Now, thank you
play for the catch. It goes back to the House
side before it goes to the President's desk for signature.

(32:23):
The House is gonna there's gonna be some squawking from
the Freedom Caucus about it. I don't think they're going
to sabotage the Trump agenda at this late moment on
the big beautiful bill, but.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
They're gonna be.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
They're gonna, you know, look, they're allowed to have their
say on it, and they will. So that will be
a thing that occurs in the next few days and
we're probably gonna get to a signature before the holiday.
Hopefully that is how this will go. So that's the
big news. And then we had the most interesting visit
of the day was Donald Trump going down to Alligator Alcatraz,

(33:00):
which is in o Choppy, oh Choppy, Florida, which is
near Everglades City, which I can tell you is not
really much of a city. It is really middle of Nowheresville.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
I think o Choppy, uh is.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
It has one hundred people something like that lives and
lives in the in the It is unincorporated territory, so
it's not even I think a township per se. It's
quite small. But that was the one if you're wondering,
it wasn't Lake Okachobe. I know Lake Okachobe. O Choppi
was the new place. So that's where they have this

(33:41):
airstrip that is a place to put illegal migrants, illegal
aliens before they are deported. And Trump is saying, if
you try to run from the gators or swim from
the gators, it's going to be a bad day for you.
So there's all that going on, and then he got
into Kami, Mom, Donnie, do you have anything in the
alligator Alcatraz. The team is saying that all you have

(34:03):
to do is be able to not zigzag but outrun
the nearest person to you, which is that is always true,
and that is mean. That's very mean. Clay would Clay
would not leave me behind to get eaten by gators, right, Clay?
Probably correct?

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Yes, I would be Again I've said on this program before,
I am prepared to save anyone from an alligator attack.
If you see me near a swamp, I've got your back.
So uh, just don't go in the water. But if
they come out of the water, like in Crocodile Dundee,
I know that's crocodile versus an alligator, then I'll be

(34:41):
like mc dundee right there to protect you. By the way,
that movie also still a lot of fun. If you've
got kids and you want to watch some movies during
the July fourth holiday, whether it's not great, maybe you're
sitting around. We've been watching all the Harry Potter movies
in the Travis household and there's still really good, So
props JK. Rowling. I think she may have a future

(35:02):
in this creative industry space. But that alligator Alcatraz thing,
and I think I know we said it last hour,
but I do think it's so important. Trump and DeSantis
are a whale of a team. And I know Ron
DeSantis only has whatever it is, a year and a
half left basically as the governor of Florida, but I

(35:26):
would not be surprised if DeSantis ends up in some
form or fashion as a part of Trump two point
oh cabinet. And what I mean by that is there's
constant doing these jobs takes a lot. So so far
we have had pretty great stability in Trump two point

(35:47):
oh cabinet universe. But at some point some of these guys,
probably after and gals after the midterms, are going to
start to say, Hey, I want to do something different.
I'm burned out two years of going full speed doing X,
Y or Z. There's something else that I want to do.
It wouldn't shock me if Trump comes back to DeSantis.
Remember there was some talk about Desantus potentially being the

(36:10):
Secretary of Defense when it was uncertain about whether hegg
Seth was going to be confirmed. And that's another example
of jd Vance breaking a tie fifty to fifty in
the Senate. Jd Vance gets the vote to get heg
set then and Pete has done a very very good job.
Since this is also an example in the big beautiful Bill,
you've got jd Vance breaking the tie. This is why

(36:33):
having a little bit of a buffer in the Senate
fifty three forty seven. Uh man, it would be great
to be up to fifty four or fifty five or
fifty six as it pertains to where we're headed on next.
But the Trump DeSantis relationship very strong, and I think
it's important to point out that by and large, most

(36:56):
of you out there who voted Trump, I really can
hardly point to anything in the first six months and say, hey,
I think Trump could have done a better job on this.
Politics the art of the possible. So I understand that
people are saying, oh, this is my number one issue,
and this hasn't been addressed completely to the ability that
I would like. You can't make people do what there

(37:20):
is not the political will for them to do. So
you and Ibuck, we talked about this somem earlier, were
very troubled by the national debt. When the Tea Party
got its start, national debt was ten trillion dollars. National
debt is soon going to be forty trillion dollars. That's untenable.
But until there is a political will to address it,

(37:42):
and you can't solve it by increasing tax rates, that
doesn't work. Ultimately, I think you're going to have to
dial back spending. This is inevitable, but that political will
is not there yet. So in the meantime you have
two options. You can either whine and complain, and some
people are choosing that because it's not kick your legs,

(38:03):
scream like a child, have a temper tantrum, or you
can do what you and I are talking about. Now, Hey,
this bill is going to pass, and now it's time
to try to figure out how do we grow the
economy as rapidly as we possibly can to help to
lead to a surplus through growth as opposed to a

(38:25):
surplus through cuts. That is the new hope, and to me,
if we can get it to three four percent growth,
everything changes.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Yes, So that's the case for optimism, and I agree
with you on that. The case for optimism is not
that everyone's going to see the wisdom of Iran sorright
Ran Paul's math and make massive changes to the biggest
spending programs and priorities of the United States government now and.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
For the last well all of our lifetimes. So yeah,
that's not going to happen.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Trump just has the economy so juiced and so in fuego,
that's some very good things can happen. What will make
things a lot worse is if the commedi mom Donnie
is able to take control. Trump spoke about this. There's
a marine one noise in the background, but we wanted
you to hear this. This is cut seven. This is look.

(39:21):
Even President Trump's winning and we all see this. This
is concerning when somebody gets the wind that is back
in someplace as important as New York City play it.

Speaker 5 (39:31):
I think he's terri book.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
He's a communist.

Speaker 5 (39:34):
The last thing we need is a communist. I said
there will never be socialism in the United States, so
we have a communist. I think he's bad to and
I think I'm gonna have a lot of fun with
him watching him because he has stick up right, but
with Joney to get his funny and so what, he's
not going to run away with anything. I think he's Frankly,
I've heard he's your total nutjob.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
I think the people who.

Speaker 5 (39:57):
In New York are crazy. He said they go this route.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
I think they're crazy.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
We will have a communist in the for the first time,
really a pure true communist. He wants to operate the
grocery stores, the department stores. What about the people like that?
I think it's.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
Crazy, Yeah, Clay, it is crazy. And I understand that
there's this sense that it's limited to New York. But
AOC and Bernie Sanders, they co sign really all of
this stuff, and they're the Democrats that have the most
currency with the base. And it is a Democrat party

(40:38):
that came within a few hundred thousand votes of Trump,
even after lying about Biden's dementia and putting forward the
worst candidate in our lifetime in Kamala Harris. So I mean,
I would argue even worse than the dementia guy, which
tells you a lot. So we have to take this Seriously,
people ask how does the Democratic Party come back?

Speaker 2 (40:57):
It's not hard.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
They were close even in this election and aggregate numbers.
When you really look at it, there are a lot
of people who are voting Democrat no matter who they
put forward, no matter how crazy the idea is. And
Mom Donni, I think is just a symptom of that
larger malady.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
And again I'm gonna keep hammering it. If there is
not a coalition that arises to all come together to
oppose Mamdanni. If you have Eric Adams running as an independent,
Andrew Cuomo running as an independent, uh, and you have
a situation where Curtis Sliwa is the Republican that trio

(41:36):
is going to assure that Mam Donnie wins. So the
only way in New York City rejects Mamdanni and has
some form of sanity in terms of who it's selecting
as its next mayor is if there's a understanding that
they cannot all run and there is a coalition of
opposition that comes together to try and defeat Mam Donnie.

(41:57):
My concern is everybody's going to look out for their
best interest, meaning we're going to get more attention if
you stay in the race, and everybody else loses, and
there isn't a coalition brought together to come against him.
And I think what Trump is talking about in general
is the opposition that he sees from all these sanctuary

(42:17):
cities as the process is underway to deport so many
different people is a direct opposition to the federal government
and should not be acceptable. And at some point, I
think there's going to have to be a test case
of someone, probably a mayor that is one of these

(42:37):
sanctuary cities that is directly defying federal law, and we're
going to have to have the court's rule about whether
or not that is permissible or appropriate, because I don't
understand we made this argument, and the Supreme Court has
set it quite clearly. The President of the United States
is in charge of border related policies, immigration, all of
those things. How can we allow all of these individual

(42:59):
cities and certainly governors of states, But it's really being
driven more by mayors of cities that have decided that
they are sanctuaries. How can we allow them to directly
defy federal law. At some point that conflict is going
to have to be resolved in some way by the
larger court system. It feels inevitable to me.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
Well, get some calls and some talkbacks coming up here
in a second. I want to hear from all of
you before Clayon and I sent off for the holiday.
And like I said, Tutor Dixon and tomorrow Brian Mudd
in the next day got great guess hos, We've got
live shows coming up for you with fantastic content.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
But clay is going to be on the beach. I
might even get to the beach, and it's fun. I live.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
You don't to the beach.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
I don't really get to the beach very often, which
is weird considering I live next to one of the
nicest beaches in America. Some would argue for an urban beach.
For an urban beach, okay, don't.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Be like, well, what about Tahiti or what about you know.

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The Seychelles one of the nicest urban beaches anywhere in
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a lot of good things going on here. Joe from
Let's Take HH, Joe from Mesa, Arizona.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Hey Joe and Mesa.

Speaker 6 (46:12):
I was trying to explain to my friend just like
why most of America doesn't even care about the deportations
that are happening, and he flipped out on me and
was saying that I needed to admit that I hate
every other race other than my own anyways. So in
the end, they're just totally brainwashed and there's nothing you

(46:34):
can do.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
The law either matters or a dozen has nothing to
do with race, has to do with being a rule
of law society.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Clay.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
Yeah, and look, I think that a lot of people
are dialed out and just randomly buy into all of
the historyonics. I mean, I think a perfect example of
this is, you know we're going to hit right now.
The stock market is up again today for another high.

(47:04):
It was only two months ago that they were telling
you that everything was going to collapse and that you
needed to make sure that you sold all your stocks,
and that we were headed for basically a nuclear winter
and from an economic perspective, and it just hasn't happened.
And so I think the total fear there is it

(47:25):
works on a lot of people, and they are aware
that emotionally they can play on people's failings as it
pertains to that. Basically we have next up here, a
lot of Lord of the Rings nerds in this audience.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Oh we didn't get we said we were gonna do
the movie thing.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Yeah, that's why I thought, of times I was doing
my research here New York Times Best Now, this is
a little bit of a frustration because.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
People don't pay.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
It's like when you had a teacher that said, make
sure you read the instructions for the exam before you
take the exam. It's the best movies of the twenty
first century. So anybody who's jumping in with Braveheart or
you know which I love and would be my overall choice,
overall favorite movie all time. That's nineteen ninety eight, I think,

(48:18):
or six or I forget when to nine? I don't know,
but it was definitely in the twentyeth twenty two zero,
twenty eighth century, twenty first century best Movies of the
twenty first century.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
This is the New York Times list that came out.
We got a producer.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
I got all of you to tell me your picks,
and I thought they were pretty solid. And let's say
all of you, I mean our team in New York,
New York team. Let's start with you, Ali, Producer, Ali,
what was your best movie of the twenty first century?
You had time to think about this, so you're on
the hot seat now if you forgot what is it?

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Oh no, I'm totally on the hot seat. I had
gone with Gladiator, but I had the years all wrong. Yeah,
I don't think it came about hold On Gill two thousand. Ye,
it counts in the New York Times list, it does,
because that's that's technically the twenty eighth century. They have
it down at ninety two, so they are counting anything

(49:12):
that's two thousand and beyond.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Well, that's an outrage.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
First of all, the fact that they're counting it and
they're putting it at ninety two is an outrage because Ali,
I'd be it would be a top fiver for me,
top fiver for sure.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
They put Parasite at number one a foreign.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Film, as the best movie of the twenty first century,
which which I think is mad at producer Mike.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
What was yours? You had a good one?

Speaker 3 (49:35):
Dark Knight? Well you dark Knight or was that Greg?
What does producer Mike say, producer dark Knight.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Dark Knight. Yeah, he was Dark Knight.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
Solid. I can't I can't quibble with that. I have
watched that movie probably one hundred times. I enjoyed the
Dark Knight. He really brought back people think now all
the Batman franchise, huge franchise that was. It was on
the ropes after a couple of really bad Batman movies
that bombed big time, including one with I think the

(50:06):
girl from Clueless was in it, Alicia Silverstone.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
There was a George kloe No, don't even remembers.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
George Clooney played Batman and it was such a bad
movie that people don't even remember that he was Batman.
So there, so the Dark Knight was came back from
The Batman Begins and The Dark Knight both great, great options.
Remember twenty first century, we're looking at Clay, what was yours?

Speaker 1 (50:28):
I broke it down trio meaning because to me, there
is there's a difference between a kid movie, there's a
difference between a comedy, and there's a difference between a
dramedy drama. So I went with I agree the whole
Christopher Nolan Batman trilogy, The Dark Knight, that that is
really phenomenal, well done up I think was the best

(50:52):
of the Pixar movies. Up If You Up is so
well done. And then I think the funniest movie of
the twenty first century, I think it's old school. I
just think it is absolutely hysterical funny.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Well that's not even a category. And now you're making
up categories funniest.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
You think Old School is the funniest movie of the
twenty first century.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
What's funnier than Old School?

Speaker 2 (51:18):
I mean, I think forty year old vision is funnier
than Old School.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Forty year old version is very funny. Super Bad is
very funny. Like there's a series of four or five movies.
I think that you could argue, I think the combination
of Will Ferrell Vince Vaughan is tough to be. Wedding
Crashers also really really funny and well done. But I
think you have to consider what again, best doesn't mean.

(51:42):
Citizen Kane is a phenomenal movie. We talked about yesterday.
Shindler's List is a phenomenal movie. It's hard to sit
down and just be like, hey, let's have some popcorn
and watch Schimdler's List.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Well, this is this is like how I feel about
The Pianist p I A N I S T. To
be clear, the pianist is a or the pianist maybe
some people.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Say it that way.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
Is I think a perfect movie, meaning it is incredibly
well done, and every aspect of it, from the acting
to the writing, to the to this sound, you know,
to the soundtrack to the I think it's a perfect.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Movie, but it's intense.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
It's World War Two, it's you know, it's a Jewish
guy who's trying to flee the you know the at
one point it's his neighbors and the Nazis. And The
Pianist is an incredible movie, but I can't say it's
my favorite movie because if the Dark Knight trilogy or
the Lord of the Rings movies are on, I'm watching
those instead of The Pianist. I'm just I'm not gonna
lie and be that guy, which brings me to I

(52:44):
think they're private producer, Greg, what was your pick?

Speaker 2 (52:46):
You didn't give us. You didn't give us your We're.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Trying to help you, by the way, for the holiday weekend, everybody,
if you haven't seen any of these, we're giving you
great recommendations for I would argue The Lives of other
is a pretty perfect movie, although it is German Languge,
which U and that is twenty first century, but again,
it's not a You still haven't even watched that, have you?
You and Laura haven't watched the Lives of Others and

(53:09):
you have? Okay, maybe that one because it's foreign language.
I can see Laara being like Clay. Don't don't you know,
don't torture us. You guys haven't watched Hacksaw Ridge, which
is insane because that was I gave you that assignment
a long time ago.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
That movie would be fair. To be fair to me.
I barely see anything. I watch stuff with my kids,
which is why I've been watching Harry Potter.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
I watch hundreds of hours of college football, hundreds of
I was.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Gonna say, and I watch a lot of sports. Let
me give you an underrated movie that I think seems
even more contemporary than it was when it came out.
Minority Report.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Ah suck No.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
I'm telling you go back and watch it now. In
an age of AI, it seems eerily prescient in terms
of its foreshadowing of where producer.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Greg is gonna weigh in.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
He was a he wanted to get in on this,
Producer Greg, best movie of the twenty first century.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
If you were making this New York Times list, what's
number one? Dark Knight?

Speaker 3 (54:08):
I'm with, I'm with, Oh your Dark Knight got you?
I thought I thought we had double Dark Knight. That's
a Heath Ledger's performance as the Joker is the best
bad guy performance that uh that I think you ca
it's that it's the No country for old men with
what's his name? Uh, you know Lvier Bardem, Javier Bardem

(54:31):
and Hans Gruber in die Hard, which was the first
time that guy was.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Ever in a movie, which is still amazing, The Dark.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
Knight, knowing that Heath Ledger was going to in some
way kill himself. Like I watch it now, and you're right,
the performance is incredible, But when I watch it, in
the back of my mind, I'm thinking, in order to
become this good, he had to go to such a

(54:58):
dark place and it felt to me like a lot
of people who are actors and actresses, it's not actually
that talented, you know what I mean, Like there are
lots of people who are whatever. Heath Ledger, that was
actually an artistic performance as the Joker, but I think
it led him into a world where his brain like

(55:19):
almost broke.

Speaker 5 (55:20):
You know.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
He went into the darkness, went into the darkness too much.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
That has happened with people that get too into a role,
A lot of people very high in Because I saw
a lot of comments about this because I was on
I was on with Will Caine and Carol Markowitz on
Will's show on Fox Play and that's where this got
some attention. A lot of people have as their top movies.
I would say the ones that I saw the most.
For all of you, all of you out there, I

(55:45):
say the one that I saw the most. As a
number one choice was either There Will Be Blood or
No Country for Old Men for best Movie the twenty
first century. I view those as both excellent movies, but
it also goes in that category. There Will Be Blood
for me is like watching a masterclass of acting. Like
obviously Daniel d Lewis is phenomenal and the performances are.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
But do I care about anybody in this story? Really No?
Do I like anybody?

Speaker 5 (56:15):
Really no?

Speaker 3 (56:17):
And then I think that unfortunately, No Country for Old
Men again very well made, and I'm not saying it's
not a good movie. I'm just saying, you know, if
it's on, am I gonna watch it? It's so bleak
and kind of nihilistic for me. So I can't get
too excited about either one of those as a top
ten of the twenty first century. They're both excellent movies,

(56:39):
to be clear, but they're not movies. I've only watched
each of those maybe twice, which for me is not
very many.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
I also, to me, when it's a book being made
into a movie, I think the excellence of the movie
in many ways reflects the book. And Cormac McCarthy is
probably the greatest author now I'm really gonna get people fired,
probably the greatest author of the last thirty years. And

(57:05):
I know he died a couple of years ago, but
if you look at his production in terms of his talent,
and you go all the way back, he moved eventually
his fiction to basically the border with Texas and Mexico,
but he started off as a Tennessee based writer, and
I think he's probably the most talented writer in America

(57:28):
in the last thirty years. And so No Country for
Old Men is a novel by him, and I think
it just reflects the world that he created on the
screen and is actually an illustration of his excellence as
a writer more than it is as a film. Does
that make sense? Like if you said, hey, the Great Gatsby,

(57:50):
which it isn't and it's been made multiple times, most
recently with Leonardo DiCaprio, If you said The Great Gatsby
is the best movie that's ever been made, I would
be like, well, it a phenomenal novel, and so to me,
I strip out anything that isn't an original movie as
a great movie. Does that make sense to us as
a reflection of the of the book?

Speaker 3 (58:11):
More than one talkback here before we get into more
talkbacks and calls to close us out. AA podcast listeners
Zeb from Texas play.

Speaker 7 (58:17):
It, play in book. This is Zeb from Texas Love
your show, listen to you every day since she took
over for us. Ditto maybe hey, listen, I'm so disappointed
in the Yellow Question producer Greg after he's led you
right so many times. Minus Tirith is the capital city
have gone door after ausc Eliath was destroyed by the

(58:38):
Orcs and the Battle of Saaron, Trust your man.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
I just this is the nerdiest thing that has ever
been said on the show, which is I just love
I love it.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
We have listeners who clearly clearly have a twelve gage
across the backseat of the car, have a stetson on
and cowboy boots, and they're lecturing us about Minas tirith
as this of gon As the capital of Gondor after Osilius,
of course, was destroyed by the Orcs and the Battle
of Sauron. That is that is our that is our

(59:08):
Texas audience rolling around in a pickup ready for any
hovelinas they have to take out.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
But you get Lord of the Rings wrong and they're
dropping knowledge on you.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
The correction yesterday that I read is the nerdiest thing
that's ever been said on the show. That talkback in
Buck's analysis of it is the second nerdiest thing that's
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