July 24, 2025 • 58 mins
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RIP Hulk Hogan and Russiagate 101
The shocking report of wrestling icon Hulk Hogan’s death at age 71. Clay reflects on Hogan’s cultural impact during the 1980s and 1990s, his recent appearance at the Republican National Convention, and his vocal support for President Donald Trump. The hour opens with a tribute to Hogan’s legacy in sports entertainment and American pop culture.
The episode then transitions into a deep-dive breakdown of the Russiagate scandal, prompted by listener feedback requesting clarity on the complex narrative. Clay outlines the origins of the Russia collusion narrative following Trump’s 2016 election victory, emphasizing how the media, intelligence community, and Democratic establishment allegedly collaborated to delegitimize Trump’s presidency. He argues that the narrative was built on misinformation and politically motivated leaks, leading to years of investigations that ultimately found no evidence of collusion.
Clay also discusses the Supreme Court’s 2024 ruling on presidential immunity, suggesting it could shield former President Barack Obama from potential legal consequences related to the 2016 surveillance of the Trump campaign. He explores the implications of this precedent for future administrations and how it may influence accountability for figures like James Comey, John Brennan, James Clapper, and Hillary Clinton.
Uncle Bill Confronts Evil
Clay speaks with bestselling author and media veteran Bill O’Reilly on a range of issues, including the passing of wrestling legend Hulk Hogan at age 71. They reflect on Hogan’s iconic legacy and his pivotal legal victory over Gawker Media. They also explore Hogan’s cultural impact and transitions into a deeper discussion on O’Reilly’s upcoming book, Confronting Evil, which examines historical and modern manifestations of collective evil, including figures like Hitler, Stalin, and Putin.
The hour intensifies with analysis of the Idaho murders and the chilling demeanor of the accused, Bryan Kohberger, as well as the broader implications of confronting individual versus systemic evil. O’Reilly and Travis then pivot to the explosive revelations from Tulsi Gabbard regarding the 2016 election and alleged misconduct by intelligence agencies. The discussion centers on former CIA Director John Brennan and the legal ramifications of knowingly using false information to obtain warrants, with O’Reilly suggesting potential prison time.
The Epstein case resurfaces as Clay asks O’Reilly what advice he’d give President Trump amid renewed scrutiny. O’Reilly reveals he spoke with Trump earlier that day and advises full deferral to the Justice Department, warning against media manipulation and emphasizing the political weaponization of Epstein-related narratives. The conversation also touches on the Wall Street Journal’s reporting and the risks of releasing unverified names tied to Epstein, which could trigger massive lawsuits.
Clay's Business Advice
Deep dive into the latest developments in the Russiagate hoax and new revelations from Tulsi Gabbard and the long-term media and political implications. Clay also discusses the controversial decision by an Obama-appointed judge to block the release of grand jury testimony related to Jeffrey Epstein, highlighting ongoing concerns about transparency and justice.
Sunny Hostin of The View says Stephen Colbert’s potential firing is a threat to democracy. Clay challenges her legal credibility, sparking a broader conversation about First Amendment rights, media accountability, and the economics of entertainment. He contrasts Colbert’s financial losses with the massive $1.5 billion deal awarded to South Park creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone, underscoring the market-driven nature of media success.
GA Rep. Brian Jack Wants to Bring Boxing Back
An exclusive interview with Congressman Brian Jack of Georgia’s 3rd District. Jack, a former Trump White House official, discusses his newly introduced Muhammad Ali American Boxing Revival Act, aimed at revitalizing professional boxing in the U.S. by modernizing outdated legislation. He emphasizes the need for innovation, athlete protect
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in the Clay Travis buck Sexton show. Bucks out
the rest of the week. You'll have me solo as
we roll through all of the major breaking news stories
and right off the top. I think Buck would have
been just as sad about this news as I am
for any of us, particularly that grew up in the
(00:23):
eighties and the nineties. Malcolm Jamal Warner from The Cosby Show,
THEO dying earlier this week, but just in the last
thirty minutes or so, TMZ reports that Hulk Hogan, seventy
one year old wrestling superstar who was at the RNC
(00:45):
last year about this time endorsing President Trump, has died again,
age of seventy one.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
If you are of the age.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
As I know many of you are, who grew up
in the nineteen eighties watching wrestling, or if you had
kids that loved wrestling, maybe you did, maybe you were
a big Hulk maniac back in the nineteen eighties, in
the nineteen nineties. I don't think there are very many
people that were more famous in America in the eighties
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and the nineties than Hulk Cogan, seventy one years old.
I want to play a couple of cuts of hul
Cogan again. The news just coming down. Hul Cogan dies
at seventy one years old. Here he was last year.
We played some of these cuts for you. Very funny
for those of you who remember the speech. Cut twenty
(01:41):
six Hulk Cogan at the RNC in Milwaukee last year
about this time.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
What Chiggarna do when Donald Tuff and all the trough
of maniacs run wild on you?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Brother?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Also cut twenty seven. Here, Remember he ripped his shirt
off in vintage Hulk Cogan fashion. He seemed very good
last year. Reports are early again that he had a
heart attack at seventy one years old. A lot of
those wrestlers, what they put their bodies through, have not
had very long lives, as many of you know. Here
(02:20):
is cut twenty seven Hulk Cogan ripping his shirt off
on the RNC stage.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
This is what it sounded like what happened last week
when they took a shot and my hero.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
And they tried to kill the next president of the
United States. Enough, Blaw was enough, said, look Toopa.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Media run wild, brother, Let chop O media rule again.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Let topa media night Amaca right again.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
And that was an incredible turn on the stage. Now
I know about that. My boys are big wrestling fans,
and I know probably a lot of you out there
listening are as well. The WWE back in the day
was the WWF brought Hulk Hogan back in in relatively speaking,
a warm embrace after scandal had pushed him away for
(03:26):
some time, and he appeared on I believe the most
recently most recent WrestleMania and on several different of their events.
So look, if you want to talk back, I imagine
that there are a lot of you out there hearing
this news that want to react. If you've got a
(03:47):
favorite moment from the Hulksters era, you can talk back.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
We'll play some of those.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
I would imagine that this is something that is hitting
a lot of people out there who grew up, like
I said, in the eighties and nineties with Hulk Cogan
as famous just about as any sports entertainer media personality. Frankly, however,
you want to classify him as almost anyone out there,
and obviously a huge Donald Trump supporter and an iconic
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American original, I mean truly one of the most only
in America, as Don King used to like to say,
but truly only in America. I don't know that there
are figures like hul Cogan, who certainly had tremendous global
appeal and would have been one of the most recognizable
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people I think anywhere in the United States for sure,
even for people that did not care much about wrestling.
He was just an absolute icon. So that news coming
down sad news. Ozzy Osbourne for those of you who
are rock fans, and Malcolm Jamal Warner if you grew
up in the nineteen eighties, nineteen seventies, nineteen nineties, those
(05:04):
are three different icons that may well have characterized some
of your youth, Okay, So I.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Wanted to share all that with you.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Off the top. I got a text message this morning.
I was getting ready for the show and friend of
the show. We've had him on the show, Alexi Lawless,
one of the best American men's soccer players of his
era and a American soccer analyst. A lot of you
know him, big fan of the show. Awesome guy. He said, hey,
(05:35):
I was listening. He listens every day, and he said
I was listening yesterday and I think, hey, man, I
speak for a lot of people. The Russia Gate story
is just it's a big mess, and the way it's
being covered, it's hard to even understand. Can you give
us a sense, just distill why it matters, take us
(05:56):
through it, I think. And he was speaking on behalf
of not only AM, but a lot of other listeners
who say, I just think this is super complicated and confusing.
So I took that to heart and I got out.
For those of you who watch us on YouTube, go subscribe.
We're over ninety thousand subscribers. Now I want us over
one hundred thousand. But for those of you who watch
on YouTube, this is how I do the show. I
(06:18):
am holding up for you right now a yellow legal
pad and I basically just I'll sit here with a
pin in my hand, and I jot down bullet points
that I think are important to characterize what exactly a
story is, just a little a note so that so
that I know where I'm going. And this morning, right
before the show, I took Alexi's comments to heart, and
(06:43):
I just jotted down a flow chart that I think
will simplify in the minds of people out there that
are somewhat confused over what happened with Russia Gate. I
also want to open up phone lines eight hundred two
two two eight eight two ask questions. There's nothing wrong
with not knowing the answer to a question. A lot
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of people have opinions, but I think very often the
foundational knowledge is very important because it will allow you
to have more intelligent opinions than you otherwise might. So
let's go back in time. Let's go back in time
to twenty sixteen, to the election night. Hillary Clinton is
an overwhelming favorite to win the election. According to all
(07:28):
of the quote unquote experts. I remember sitting, as you
probably remember sitting, watching all those election results come in
and seeing what was effectively a cataclysm for the media.
All of their predictions, all of their expertise, all of
their polls, they were all one hundred percent wrong. And
(07:50):
not only were they one hundred percent wrong, but Trump
didn't just win. He won what it would have to
be characterized in many ways as a landslide victory out
of nowhere. One states that they said he had no
chance of winning Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, states that he would
win again in twenty twenty four, but in twenty sixteen,
they didn't see it coming at all, and so in
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the immediate aftermath of Trump's win, the media and the
intelligencia and the entire Democrat establishment had two paths they
could have taken.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
One.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
They could have said, Hey, maybe.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
This guy Donald Trump is a much better politician than
we thought he was, and maybe Hillary Clinton is a
much worse politician than we thought she was. And they
could have gone through all of the returns and they
could have come up with a game plan to try
to beat Trump in twenty twenty that acknowledged the significance
(08:48):
of his win and also gave credit to him for
being an elite politician.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
They didn't do that.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Instead, they went back and they said, they're there's no
way this result could have happened, and happened in a
legal manner. In other words, Trump had to have cheated.
What are we missing? Everybody said Hillary was going to win.
What are we missing? What happened to make Trump win?
(09:19):
And instead of saying Hillary was a bad candidate, Hillary
didn't campaign in the States she should have. Hillary used
her resources poorly. She was a thoroughly unlikable person to many,
even Obama voters. Remember, Obama came out of nowhere to
beat Hillary way back in two thousand and eight, despite
the fact that Hillary had all of the advantages. What
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was it that happened? They decided it had to be
something outside the bounds of normalcy. There had to be
cheating going on. Trump cheated, And I believe what happened
was that message was conveyed to the intelligence community, which
also was stunned beyond belief that Trump could win, and
so they came up with the idea that Russia put
(10:06):
its finger on the scale, and the story became manufactured narrative,
the reason Trump won was Russia. And they even moved
beyond Trump one because of Russia. To Trump is and
was a Russian agent. He is effectively the Manchurian candidate.
(10:26):
They took that manufactured evidence that they had created in
the intelligence communities out to the Washington Post, the New
York Times, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, and they all
uncritically took that expert intelligence information and trumpeted it as
(10:50):
news and said Trump cheated. All of this was the
product of Russia's interference in our election. And they did
it by saying Russia hacked the election. And many people
out there in the media, in the Democrat Party, you
can say they're one and the same, decided to immediately
(11:11):
put Trump under siege because the idea from the get
go was that he was an illegitimate president. They couldn't
accept that Hillary lost. Again, this was the original sin.
They had two paths. Hillary just lost. She was a
bad candidate. Trump was better than we thought. That is
(11:31):
I think indisputably true. Instead, they said they had to
have cheated. Let's delegitimize Trump. Right at the outset, they
made the calculated decision, Hey, this is the path we're
going to take. And here is where Buck we'll talk
about this, because I don't think this story is going away.
We'll talk about this with Buck when you come back
(11:51):
on Monday. I think he would sign on to this.
The intelligence agencies are so big that if you want
to find a story to tell in side of that
intelligence agency, there's somebody with data points that will allow
you to tell the story that you want to tell uncritically.
The Washington Post, New York Times, ABCNBCCBSC, and MSNBC. They
(12:13):
all ran with Russia and Trump cheated. That's why they
won the election. If you asked any questions about that,
oh you were complicit as well.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Maybe Russia was paying you all of that.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Then leads to basically the entire Trump one point zero
regime being under siege from the moment they came into office.
Attorney General won't end it, says, hey, we've got to
have a special counsel to investigate all this Russia collusion.
Muller comes in, spends years investigating. Eventually, what does he
(12:49):
come out and say, there's no evidence of collusion effectively,
but it took years. That also, when we come back,
I want to talk about this, it was just twenty sixteen.
All of this also set the table for what I
think was the ultimate rig job of twenty twenty when,
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because they had set the idea that Trump was Putin's stooge,
that Trump was working for Russia. When the one hundred
percent legitimate Hunter Biden laptop, which indicated so much wrongdoing
by the Biden family, when that was in FBI possession,
they decided to say the fifty one intelligence agents that
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it had all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation. They then
sold an additional Russia lie. The idea from the outset
was clear Trump is a Russian stooge. Trump is controlled
by Putin. The only way he could have won in
twenty sixteen was by Russian interference was all a lie,
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And what Tulsea was talking about yesterday was that even
the intelligence agencies themselves did not have the evidence to
support the lies that they helped to propagate. That's why
all this is significant eight hundred and two two two
eight A two. I hope I'm explaining that in a
way that is understandable, because I under understand certainly how
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Speaker 2 (15:33):
Sad News.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
As we started off the show reporting Hulk Hogan, seventy
one years old American original American Icon past in the
last hour and a half or so, and many reacting
to his passing, I asked you, guys, you can send
me talkbacks of moments that you remember from Hulk Cogan's career.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
We're joined now by Bill O'Reilly.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
In terms of Icon, you spent a lot of time
talking about celebrities and impact and the legacy of fame
and all of these I think just tremendously generational and
timeless analyzes. Where would you put Hulk Hogan on the
list of true American original celebrities in that context for
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which you have spent much of your career writing about.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
I interviewed Hogan back when he was probably the top
wage earner in the wrestling business, and I think he's
the most famous wrestler ever, So, I mean, you don't
get more iconic in that industry than that. But what
is historical importance is is that he destroyed that smear website.
Speaker 6 (16:55):
Which was damaging Walker.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
He took down and I.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Admired that because that was the worst. I mean, there
are a lot of bad websites now, a lot nothing
like that, and he took them down single handedly. It
was all him and that's what I will remember him
for as a journalist the wrestling industry. Okay, you know,
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but what he did was he sent a message that
there is a limit to how much you can hurt
people using a website or a company, and that was
very important for this country.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
You are writing about right now, evil in particular confronting evil,
Assessing the worst of the worst. That book is going
to come out September ninth very soon yesterday, and we
didn't talk about it a ton on the show, But
yesterday Brian Coberger was confronted by the family and friends
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of the four young people that he murdered in cold
blood in Idaho. What did you think as you watched
that in terms of evil and the fact that he
just basically has declined to say anything about the crimes
that he is committing. That the plea that he has
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entered into is going to save him from the death penalty,
but means I'll have to spend the rest of his
life in prison.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
That is singular evil, individual evil, and it's heinous, but
it's been in humankind forever. Every sin is a planet
and Neanderthals walked it. It has always been here. Singular evil.
What I write about in Confronting evil.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Is collective evil.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Where you have fifteen people that we spotlight inside the
book achieved enormous power, and they did so in a
variety of ways. But everyone knew they were evil.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
It wasn't like a debate about it.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
And yet they were able in their situations. The Ayahtola
and Iran Hitler in Germany, Stalin and Putin in Russia.
They were able to get to a position where they
killed millions and millions of people untold suffering. That was
my fascination. Now, I've covered a lot of stories of
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my fifty years in journalism and a lot of heinous
serial killers. I chased Ted Bundy from coast to coast, right,
he was one of the worst ever. And my opinion
on it is very simple. These are psychotic people, their psychopaths,
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and they will commit as much damage as they can.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
They are evil, and society.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Is an obligation to punish them as much as possible.
But it's not at the level of what I'm writing
about in my upcoming book.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
We're talking with Bill O'Reilly.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
We open the show talking about the revelations from Tulsea
Gabbard surrounding the twenty sixteen election and what the intelligence
agencies knew and what they said publicly. What do you
think the significance of that story is and playing it forward,
what will the consequences be, if any legally in your
(20:39):
mind going forward from the revelations she just shared, Well.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Brennan has definite criminal potential. The former CIA chief under Obama,
the guy according to the House Report. Remember this is
the House Intelligence Committee two years after the Senate issuecause
there's a lot of new information there and it was
(21:04):
chaired by Schiff to the Democratic majority on this committee,
they concluded that at least three times that Brennan knew
the information that he was using to get warrants to
do other things to damage the Trump administration was false.
(21:25):
So if I'm Brennan right now, I'm coming for the
best lawyer I can find. That looks like a slam
dunk case to me. That looks like prison time to me.
The others a little murky. I mean, I know the
right wing people are jumping up and down, going, Oh,
they're going to indict Barack Obama. They're not.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
That would be impossible.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
It's not going to happen. So if you want to
run around thinking that, fine, but it's not in the
real world, call me that the I chief now there,
You'd have to have a testimony inside the Bureau. You'd
have to someone inside the Bureau that worked and had
access to Camy and said, yeah, he knew the same
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thing Brandon knew and he cooperated with the fraud.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
That's what you would need to nail.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Comy in front of a federal grand jury, they may
be able to get that. The current Justice Department may
be able to get that.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
And so whenever.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
These stories break, I always tell my listeners and viewers
that you have to live in the real world. Supreme
Court is rule clearly in Donald Trump's case in the
January sixth that he had the right as president to
say and do what he felt was necessary. Barack Obama's
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going to fall right under that category unless you have
Michelle Obama saying, hey, you know, he knew it was
a fake.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
I don't think you're going to get it, but you
know who knows.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
We're talking to a bill or got a new book
coming out about Confronting evil. September ninth, what would you
tell President Trump he should do about the Epstein revelations
and the ongoing story there. If he asked you for advice,
your advice would be what.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
We they asked me this morning.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Oh, okay, about four hours ago, I got a call
from the President and I you know, I don't.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
Report word for word, but I'll tell you generally my
feeling about it.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Okay, So I don't think that President Trump should answer
any questions about Epstein. He should defer to the Justice Department.
I would not as president, allow myself to be besieged
by this story. It is a legitimate story in the
sense that there are millions of Americans, not just liberal people,
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but conservative as well. We believe the fix is in
at the federal lefe and if you're rich and powerful,
you're going to be protected, even if you're a criminal.
That is a common belief in America. That makes the
story valid. So what I would do would be have
one spokesperson designated by the Justice Department to deal with
this situation and to tell the American people, here's what
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we are doing. If you read to Wall Street General
report yesterday, it said clearly that in the information compiled
by the federal government about Jeffrey Epstein, there are literally
hundreds of names in that information, hundreds guys that delivered
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the bagels, you know, all of those.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
So these people screaming, oh, you got to put it
all out.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
That would be billions of dollars in lawsuits if the
Justice Department were to do that. Billions Because if your
name is associated with Jeffrey Epstein's name in any capacity,
you're going to be harmed. There's not going to be
text applied to it by anybody, and so your name
pops up alongside Jeffrey Epstein. Whoever doesn't like you is
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going to use that to hurt you. And so the
Justice Department cannot do that.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
It is impossible.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
And also in the Journal article, and remember the Journal article,
the Journal is going after Trump. They want to hurt Trump,
that newspaper, which is going to be catastrophic for the
Murdoch family and Fox News down the road. Also in
that article is no one is currently under federal investigation
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in this case, no one?
Speaker 6 (25:42):
Now.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
The Wall Street Journal is usually pretty accurate in its reportage.
I don't know about this birthday car business.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Were you stunned by the way?
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Let me ask you about that, because to me, from
a news perspective, I think, do you first have to
ask yourself the question we're talking about, is this news?
And then secondarily you ask okay, is it relevant new?
I don't even get to the second question because Trump
doing even if he did it a body birthday card
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twenty some odd years ago for Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
To me, isn't news.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Epstein wasn't a felon then, and so I don't think
it would surprise anybody that Trump might have a little
bit of a locker room sense of humor back for
much of his life. I mean, that's been well chronicled.
I'm just kind of surprised that they chose even to
run that story.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Well, three things involved here, number one year correct. It
is not a news story on its own. But what
the press is trying to do is link Trump to Epstein.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
In doing bad things. That's what this is all about.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
That's what the Trump That's why President Trump should stay
away from this. What the dishonest, corrupt, corporate media in
America is trying to do is convince Americans that Donald
Trump had access to Jeffrey Epstein's crimes and may have participated.
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That's what the press wants Americans to believe. So any
linkage between Trump and Epstein is going to be blown up.
This is a very simple story. A forensic can make
a determination on whether that card isn't Trump's.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
Hand or not.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Trump says he didn't do it and files suit two
days later, two days two days. I mean, come on,
that looks like a pretty aggressive action to me. And
if the NAL is wrong, yes, this is an important point.
If the Wall Street Journal published the story using a
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bogus birthday card.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
That's not real. It was a fraud.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
The whole thing collapses not only to Wall Street Journal,
Fox News, everything else done. That's how big this story is.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Let me ask you the last question here. You mentioned
that you talked to President Trump earlier, not asking for
particulars of the conversation. How would you assess his overall
vibe and demeanor as you just talked to him today,
compared to so far in this term and also compared
to last term. How comfortable? How confident did you find
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him to be?
Speaker 3 (28:35):
He's tired, and he's tired because this kind of stuff
wears you down, and he believes that he's doing an
excellent job for the country. Last night they had a
great deal with Japan and now.
Speaker 6 (28:53):
Ye by Trump administration fabulous. He got not.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
One second of coverage on the nightly newscast, the three
of them, not a seton Epstein got ten minutes. So
Trump is furious, furious because this kind of stuff weighs
you down emotionally and mentally. Now he's the strongest guy
I know, I mean, my god, but his hand is
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well enough because he has to shake hundreds of hands
a week.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
I do fizz bumps because I got to take a
lot of hands too.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Everybody knows me wherever I go, but I don't shake hands,
and I tell people, look, I can't have it swollen.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
Hey, well Trump's hand is bothering them. It's painful. Okay.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
So he's going over to Scotland while play some golf
over there.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Get some you know, cooler temperatures. And I was asking him.
I said, look, you know you're only a person because
I know him so long, and I said, you.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Know, you gotta be a little You got to carry
yourself here physically and everything.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
You got it. And that's why my advice, and I
hope he takes it.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Don't acknowledge this Epsteine thing at all. Let the Justice
Department handle it.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
And that's that.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Bill O'Reilly fantastic as always. The book coming out is
confronting evil, assessing the worst of the worst. It will
be out September ninth. We look forward to talking to
you again. You can also check them out at Bill
O'Reilly dot com read his columns there.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Appreciate you, sir.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
All right, Clay.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
One more thing, we just passed a million subscribers on YouTube.
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That's important.
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Three months and it's YouTube dot com slash Bill O'Reilly,
and it's totally different than what we do on our
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Speaker 6 (30:44):
I think he's faking it, okay, all right.
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But I'll be listening on Monday when you guys get
together again.
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Appreciate you, sir, and go check out his YouTube page.
You can also check out our YouTube page. Bill O'Reilly's
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So what do we have.
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Speaker 1 (32:39):
Breaking news as we started to show sad news, especially
for those of you who grew up watching Hull Cogan
back in the day seventy one years old. Hull Cogan passes.
That just happened in the last couple of hours. If
you want to give us a talkback, you may have
heard several people talking about their experiences or their memory
(33:00):
ease of Hulkgan and Absolute Icon, true American original spoke
last year about this time in Milwaukee, Wisconsin at the
Republican National Convention. We may play you that audio again
in his honor as he endorsed President Trump, and so
we will continue to talk about that. First hour of
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the program. Encourage you to go subscribe to the podcast.
You will not miss anything. We talked all about the
Russiagate and why it mattered and why it was significant,
and where I thought things were headed. Now after the
revelations from Tulca Gabbard yesterday, a lot of you asking
questions will continue to discuss those. I would put our
(33:44):
analysis of the larger Russia Gate question up against almost anyone,
maybe everyone, in all of media in terms of telling
you why it matters and where we go from here.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
All of that.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Coming still down as the days and weeks continue. Also, Epstein,
the grand jury testimony refused to be released by an
Obama appointed judge. The grand jury testimony. Right now, there
is a meeting going on between Julaane Maxwell and one
of the top officials in the Department of Justice, one
(34:20):
of the deputy Attorney generals. We will find out if
any news emerges from that. Julaane Maxwell convicted of sex trafficking,
currently serving twenty years in prison as a part of
those convictions. She is in Tallahassee, Florida, and we will
give you the latest as more details emerge there.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
But I did want to have some fun.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
We got a bunch of clips out there, and we
almost talked about this yesterday, but then all the Russia
Gate news happened, and I thought this was super fascinating.
I believe, really Sunny Hostin is the dumbest person who's
on television daily in media, and that might be unfair
to her because certainly there are lots of her castmates
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on the view that give her a run, whether it's
Joey Behar.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Woop be Goldberg.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
But those people are actually comedians, and I don't know
that most of us look around and say, hey, you
know who the most brilliant people in America are comedians.
I don't necessarily look to Joy Behar or whoop be
Goldberg to be able to explain complicated things to large audiences.
Sunny Hostin, I believe has a law degree from Notre Dame.
(35:31):
Team will you confirm that that is correct? The Fighting
Irish gave Sonny Hostin a law degree. I know she
has a law degree. I think it's from Notre Dame,
but her inability to understand basic legal related issues when
she's talking to her audience suggests to me that Notre
(35:53):
Dame should ask for that law degree. Back here is
Sonny Hostin yesterday on the View saying, firing Stephen Colbert
is the dismantling of our democracy and the dismantling of
our constitution.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Listen to cut ten.
Speaker 8 (36:11):
If it is political, this is the dismantling of our democracy.
This is the dismantling of our constitution. Right, and so
the first Amendment is the first Amendment for a reason,
and that is freedom of the press, freedom of speech,
freedom to speak truth to power. If that is taken away,
if the comedians are being attacked, then that means our
constitution is being dismantled. That means the very rubric of
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our democracy is being dismantled. And I think every single
person should be really, really concerned about it. And if
we find out it is political, what are we going
to do as a country. We must protect our constitution,
but we must protect our.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Democraphy she is a moron.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
She does in fact have a law degree from Notre Dame.
Notre Dame after that segment aired, should say, actually, could
we please have your JD back. I don't know if
she ever passed a bar exam. If she did, that
is unbelievable. By the way, ABC, I'm just getting an update.
ABC got back with us after we invited ourselves onto
(37:15):
The View. Our producer Ali, we got an email, Hi,
tomorrow is our last day in studio for this season.
The show returns in September for the new season. We
then said we would do any day that they wanted
in the new season. They have not responded, so we
at least now have made contact with the View and
negotiations are ongoing and by negotiations. I mean, we are
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happy to go on anytime, and they are likely to
tell us that they will not have us on anytime.
But some negotiations are going. It's kind of like how
the single guys out there negotiations to date Sidney Sweeney
are going, Hey, Sidney, anywhere you want to go, you know,
I'll show up, we'll date, And Sidney Sweeney is like, yeah, okay,
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probably not clamoring to date you, but if you're a
single guy, might as well shoot your shot. So basically,
we are telling the View will be there anytime, any place, anywhere,
and the View is saying, hey, we got to wash
our hair.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
We'll get back to you.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
But Sonny Hostin, I can't believe that this that a
law graduate.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Again.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
I'm taking Whoopee Goldberg and Joy Behar off the table
that somebody who went to law school for three years
at a elite law school like Notre Dame is a
very good law school could misapprehend basic First Amendment and
Constitution related law to go on and talk to that
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audience and be that stupid.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Look.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Nobody has a constitutional right to get paid millions of
dollars to tell.
Speaker 9 (38:48):
Jokes if they did that would be a hell of
a gig if in the Constitution it was written, Hey,
and Clay Travis gets to tell whatever jokes he wants
and everybody has to pay him millions of dollars to
do it. If that were a constitutional right, that'd be
a hell of a constitutional right for me. No one
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is taking away Stephen Colbert's right to free speech. If
tomorrow Julie Talbot, my boss and Buck's boss came in
and she said, Hey, you guys are fired, nobody would
be taking away our First Amendment speech. We don't have
a First Amendment right to talk to you on the
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radio every day. iHeart is a corporation and they can decide, Hey,
who do we think is going to do a good
show and make us money. We would like to enter
into a contract with them if we start doing a
bad show, if we start not making the money, then
we would be gone.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
That's the reality.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Stephen Colbert's show lost forty million dollars. I will guarantee
you if this show lost one million dollars, I bet
Buck and I wouldn't have a job anymore. If Russia's
show had lost one million dollars, I bet Rush wouldn't
have had a job anymore. Anyone who talks to large
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audiences for a living is obligated unless you own the
company yourself, which I do not, which Buck does not,
which Sean Hannity does not, which Glenn Beck does not,
which Jesse Kelly does not. All distributed by Premiere on
many of these same stations all across the nation.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
If we lose money, we're gonna lose our jobs. That's good.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
That's how the marketplace works. No one is stopping Stephen
Colbert from starting his own YouTube channel. No one is
stopping Stephen Colbert from starting his own podcast. No one
is stopping Stephen Colbert from telling as many jokes at
the expense of whomever he wants the punchline.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
To be for the rest of his life.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
All that has happened is Paramount, which owns CBS. They're
business people. They got out their ledger and they went
down and they said, hey, we're losing forty million dollars
on this show. Should we continue to lose forty million
dollars on this show forever?
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Maybe more?
Speaker 1 (41:27):
As the audience continues to decline and move online and
move away from late night television. Most business people would
say no, we're not going to do this. Whatever you do.
If you work at a for profit business, if your
mechanic shop is losing money, you're probably going to fire people.
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If your roofer roofing business is losing money.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
You're going to fire people.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
If your gutter guard company is losing money, you're going
to fire people. No one has the right to be
employed for as long as they want and not have
the consequences of that. And for Sonny Hostin to say, oh,
our democracy, our constitution, our first amendment is at stake
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if Stephen Colbert is fired because his show isn't making
money anymore, is so moronically unintelligent that I actually think
Notre Dame should ask for their law.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Degree back.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
And I think we should have an investigation into the
bar exam that Sonny Hostin passed, because if you have
that poor of an understanding of basic constitutional law, I
question how in the world you passed any bar exam.
What an unbelievable idiot. But that's the kind of arguments
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that you are seeing now being made across the landscape.
And guess what also just happened. Paramount, the parent company
of CBS that distribute Stephen Colbert's Show just gave a million, sorry,
a billion and a half dollars to Trey Parker and
Matt Stone who do South Park, the comedic show which
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has aired now for twenty some odd years on Comedy
Central and is also owned by Paramount. They just gave
them a new five year deal for one point five
billion dollars. And I believe I'm correct that their debut
episode for the new season just aired last night and
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they made a lot of jokes at Donald Trump's expense.
Paramount didn't fire them. Do you know why? Because their
show makes money. And if your comedy show makes money,
my bet is that every business in America is going
to get behind you and want to make more money.
And so Sonny Hostin's on the view crazily that show
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makes money. But if they start to lose money, guess
what's going to happen. ABC News is going to say, hey,
we don't have to do this anymore. Corporations aren't bound
to make you rich because some people happen to like
your politics. Failure to understand basic business actually is a
huge issue across the entire landscape of America right now.
(44:30):
If you want to make more money and you aren't
at a for profit business. Let me give you a
little piece of advice on behalf of business owners everywhere,
on behalf of small business owners everywhere.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Make more money.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
I have never seen anybody get fired who makes their
bosses a lot more money year after year. And that
is in fact the truth, whether Sonny Hostin knows it
or not. Notre Dame Law School, please ask for your
law degree to be returned, because you have given it
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Speaker 1 (47:06):
Welcome back in play Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We'll go some more
of your talkbacks and some of your calls and emails
to close out the show. But we are going now
to be joined by Representative Brian Jack from third Congressional
District in Georgia. Prior to joining this edition of Congress,
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you worked with President Trump, and we're gonna get into
a bunch of different things. But when you see all
of the stories coming out about the Russia Gate hoax
and everything that surrounds that, how impactful was that were
those hoaxes when Trump one point zero was underway? What
did you see in those days?
Speaker 5 (47:48):
Well, first and foremost, as someone who listens to the show,
it's an honor to be a guest for the first
time on it, and I hope this is the first
of many conversations to come. But to your point, I
in President Trump's campaign and some of the earliest days
of his twenty sixteen campaign and when he went to
the White House, I served in the White House in
the very first and very last day of his administration.
(48:11):
And while that administration set records across his agenda, this
administration is setting even more records, and I think what
we as a team learned throughout these last ten years
is to focus on the policies that matter to Americans,
especially at election time, which are the economy, which are immigration,
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safety at home, and try to avoid as best you
can distractions that don't allow us to make our case
to the American people and likewise don't allow us to deliver
wins to the American people. So I think we've all
endured quite a bit of those hoaxes, as you've mentioned,
and I myself and I no exception to it. And ultimately,
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I think we're all excited this August to be talking
about the President's one big, beautiful bill and what we're
going to accomplish the rest of this Congress actually around boxing,
which is what I'm very excited about.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
I'm going to get to that in a moment. But
you have seen, certainly the news about Hull Cogan. A
lot of our audience has been reacting just an unbelievable
cultural icon from the eighties, the nineties, the two thousands.
I bet that you have some Hull Cogan memories, and
obviously last year on the stage at the RNC, what
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do you remember about the cultural icon of hul Cogan.
Speaker 5 (49:31):
Sure, well, I'm myself a big WWE fan and was
even even bigger WCW fan back in the day. Admittedly,
I was a big Goldberg fan. I actually went just
a few weeks ago to see his retirement match in Atlanta,
and it was very special for me because twenty seven
years before he retired, I also was at Hulk Versus
Soldberg the Georgia Dome. I know that Super Bowl Monday night,
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but I was at that show. So twenty seven years
later to have an opportunity to watch Goldberg retire was
an incredible opportunity, incredible experience, and that hadn't been said
as it relates to the Hule coman. He's your point
is an American icon and Frankly and I know we're
going to get into boxing, but that's what inspires me
about trying to revive boxing, this once great American sport.
But the heroes of boxing yesterday is something that inspires
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me to try to get this legislation path so we
can have heroes and cultural icons like Muhammad Ali and
the sport going forward.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
I mean, I think if you're around my age, you
grew up in the Mike Tyson era of boxing. Mike
Tyson was the must watch guy when I was a
kid growing up. A lot of people out there older
have different boxers that they watched. MMA has taken off.
In fact, President Trump has said next year he's going
to have a UFC event on the south lawn of
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the White House, which I'm hoping I get to go
to because that's going to be one of the most
badass sporting events of all time. Boxing has struggled sometimes
in this culturally relevant space. WWE has Monster AUTI is
still We know that the UFC has unbelievable audience as well.
Huge percentages of our audience would be paying attention to
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those events on a regular basis. But boxing has struggled
to keep pace. Why do you think that is and
what are you trying to do to help bring boxing
back in the United States?
Speaker 5 (51:19):
Well, what I find most interesting is that boxing professional
boxing is the only sport regulated by Congress. And I
think that perhaps some of your listeners may not have
been aware of that, nor too have some of my
colleagues been aware of that. So part of this is
informing and letting people know that Congress actually has a
legitimate role in operating in the space because we have
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history here. In nineteen ninety six, Congress tried to address
some of the health and safety issues in boxing, and
they've passed the Professional Boxing Safety Act of ninety six,
and two thousand, Congress came back and passed the Mohammed
Ali Act, which helped address some of the corruptive nature
of the sport. I think one of the challenges in
the last twenty five years, again, it's been twenty five years,
(52:03):
a quarter of a century since Congress touched and enacted
any legislation around boxing. You've seen this precipitous decline in
the sport. Viewerships down, pay per view buys are down,
and I think one of the challenges is we haven't
seen innovation in this sport for twenty five years. The
reason why we have not seen innovation, and the reason
why I yesterday introduced the Muhammad Ali American Boxing Revival Act,
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is because we need to clarify existing law where it's
ambiguous so that we can usher in new types of organizations,
new types of business model so to speak, to come
into this sport and function alongside the sanctioning organizations that
will continue to function in this sport. We want to
have more choice and more opportunities for boxers. We need
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legislation that defines who can operate in this space and
how they can operate in the space. And we've got
to clarify what's there because no innovation will not yield
the next generation of heroes what we're trying to And.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
I would imagine we would also like to have more
of the biggest fights in the United States, right to
the extent that we could help make that happen. I
know boxing is a global brand business now and people
pay for them to go all over the world, but
I would imagine part of that goal is to make
it possible for us to have great fights again here
in the United States.
Speaker 5 (53:22):
Well, to your point, I mean, people on the show,
you know where you were when Holyfield Tyson. You may
remember where you were in eighty five Hagler learned. So
I think that when you think about what we're trying
to accomplish here, it's to build to build consensus around
the country that we need Congress to move on this legislation.
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We've got to have an update every twenty five years,
and we need to deliver innovation opportunities for those that
are interested in not bringing in the sport, and innovation
is going to generate. In my mind, it's going to
generate a lot of American interests in the sport. You're
going to see folks coming up, and some of the
safety protections and some of the compensation and enhancements that
we're adding to this bill are going to again motivate
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and excite people about wanting to get involved in the sport.
It's been thirty seven years since American has won a
gold medal. I hope the next gold medalist is inspired
by this legislation and gets back into the ring and
fights their way to a champion.
Speaker 1 (54:19):
I would love to have an American gold medal boxer.
I'd also just like to have men actually win men's
boxing and women win women's boxing. How crazy is it
that the President had to put a rule in place
so the United States Olympic Committee would say, hey, women's
sports can only be for the Olympics competed in by women.
Speaker 5 (54:38):
Well, and again, I think that ultimately there may be
people that try to inject some of those cultural wars
into this. This is a really sound piece of legislation
and Ultimately, we have protections for male boxers and we've
protections from female boxers within this legislation. The key if
it is ensuring that we provide more opportunities for boxers,
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gauge in the sport, earn better compensation in the sport,
have greater health and safety protection. And I think anybody listen,
it's been twenty five years, a quarter of a century
since we've updated boxing laws. It's long overdue. If we're
able to pass this, so you're going to usher in
a whole new era of innovation that's going to revitalize
and revive the sport. And let me just also say
we calling them the Muhammad Ali Boxing Revive American Boxing
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Revival Act because we have the endorsement of Lani Ali,
the wife of Muhammad Ali. That was very special to
us and she has a very special statement and support
of it. And we also have the endorsement of the
Association of Boxing Commissions. The ABC is considered the gold
standard in the sport. So having their input, helping learn
from them how best to shape this legislation, I think
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an incredible product.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
Congressman, we appreciate you listening to the show. Thanks for
all the work you've done for President Trump. This sounds
like a bill that makes a lot of sense. You're
listening to Brian Jack, representing the third Congressional District of Georgia.
I hope we can keep keeping you entertained on this
and good luck with the bill.
Speaker 5 (56:02):
It was an honor speaking with you. A big fan
of yours, big fan of the show as a listener.
Like I said, I would love to come back on
and share. We expect September October will start season movement
in the committee process. But as we move toward our
two hundred and fiftieth anniversary next year, let's revive this
once great American sport.
Speaker 6 (56:18):
Thank you, no.
Speaker 2 (56:19):
Doubt, thank you.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
That's a Congressman, Brian Jack, third Congressional District in Georgia.
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Welcome in the Clay Travis buck Sexton show. Bucks out
the rest of the week. You'll have me solo as
we roll through all of the major breaking news stories
and right off the top. I think Buck would have
been just as sad about this news as I am
for any of us, particularly that grew up in the
(00:23):
eighties and the nineties. Malcolm Jamal Warner from The Cosby Show,
THEO dying earlier this week, but just in the last
thirty minutes or so, TMZ reports that Hulk Hogan, seventy
one year old wrestling superstar who was at the RNC
(00:45):
last year about this time endorsing President Trump, has died again,
age of seventy one.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
If you are of the age.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
As I know many of you are, who grew up
in the nineteen eighties watching wrestling, or if you had
kids that loved wrestling, maybe you did, maybe you were
a big Hulk maniac back in the nineteen eighties, in
the nineteen nineties. I don't think there are very many
people that were more famous in America in the eighties
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and the nineties than Hulk Cogan, seventy one years old.
I want to play a couple of cuts of hul
Cogan again. The news just coming down. Hul Cogan dies
at seventy one years old. Here he was last year.
We played some of these cuts for you. Very funny
for those of you who remember the speech. Cut twenty
(01:41):
six Hulk Cogan at the RNC in Milwaukee last year
about this time.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
What Chiggarna do when Donald Tuff and all the trough
of maniacs run wild on you?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Brother?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Also cut twenty seven. Here, Remember he ripped his shirt
off in vintage Hulk Cogan fashion. He seemed very good
last year. Reports are early again that he had a
heart attack at seventy one years old. A lot of
those wrestlers, what they put their bodies through, have not
had very long lives, as many of you know. Here
(02:20):
is cut twenty seven Hulk Cogan ripping his shirt off
on the RNC stage.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
This is what it sounded like what happened last week
when they took a shot and my hero.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
And they tried to kill the next president of the
United States. Enough, Blaw was enough, said, look Toopa.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Media run wild, brother, Let chop O media rule again.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Let topa media night Amaca right again.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
And that was an incredible turn on the stage. Now
I know about that. My boys are big wrestling fans,
and I know probably a lot of you out there
listening are as well. The WWE back in the day
was the WWF brought Hulk Hogan back in in relatively speaking,
a warm embrace after scandal had pushed him away for
(03:26):
some time, and he appeared on I believe the most
recently most recent WrestleMania and on several different of their events.
So look, if you want to talk back, I imagine
that there are a lot of you out there hearing
this news that want to react. If you've got a
(03:47):
favorite moment from the Hulksters era, you can talk back.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
We'll play some of those.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
I would imagine that this is something that is hitting
a lot of people out there who grew up, like
I said, in the eighties and nineties with Hulk Cogan
as famous just about as any sports entertainer media personality. Frankly, however,
you want to classify him as almost anyone out there,
and obviously a huge Donald Trump supporter and an iconic
(04:19):
American original, I mean truly one of the most only
in America, as Don King used to like to say,
but truly only in America. I don't know that there
are figures like hul Cogan, who certainly had tremendous global
appeal and would have been one of the most recognizable
(04:41):
people I think anywhere in the United States for sure,
even for people that did not care much about wrestling.
He was just an absolute icon. So that news coming
down sad news. Ozzy Osbourne for those of you who
are rock fans, and Malcolm Jamal Warner if you grew
up in the nineteen eighties, nineteen seventies, nineteen nineties, those
(05:04):
are three different icons that may well have characterized some
of your youth, Okay, So I.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Wanted to share all that with you.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Off the top. I got a text message this morning.
I was getting ready for the show and friend of
the show. We've had him on the show, Alexi Lawless,
one of the best American men's soccer players of his
era and a American soccer analyst. A lot of you
know him, big fan of the show. Awesome guy. He said, hey,
(05:35):
I was listening. He listens every day, and he said
I was listening yesterday and I think, hey, man, I
speak for a lot of people. The Russia Gate story
is just it's a big mess, and the way it's
being covered, it's hard to even understand. Can you give
us a sense, just distill why it matters, take us
(05:56):
through it, I think. And he was speaking on behalf
of not only AM, but a lot of other listeners
who say, I just think this is super complicated and confusing.
So I took that to heart and I got out.
For those of you who watch us on YouTube, go subscribe.
We're over ninety thousand subscribers. Now I want us over
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on YouTube, this is how I do the show. I
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am holding up for you right now a yellow legal
pad and I basically just I'll sit here with a
pin in my hand, and I jot down bullet points
that I think are important to characterize what exactly a
story is, just a little a note so that so
that I know where I'm going. And this morning, right
before the show, I took Alexi's comments to heart, and
(06:43):
I just jotted down a flow chart that I think
will simplify in the minds of people out there that
are somewhat confused over what happened with Russia Gate. I
also want to open up phone lines eight hundred two
two two eight eight two ask questions. There's nothing wrong
with not knowing the answer to a question. A lot
(07:05):
of people have opinions, but I think very often the
foundational knowledge is very important because it will allow you
to have more intelligent opinions than you otherwise might. So
let's go back in time. Let's go back in time
to twenty sixteen, to the election night. Hillary Clinton is
an overwhelming favorite to win the election. According to all
(07:28):
of the quote unquote experts. I remember sitting, as you
probably remember sitting, watching all those election results come in
and seeing what was effectively a cataclysm for the media.
All of their predictions, all of their expertise, all of
their polls, they were all one hundred percent wrong. And
(07:50):
not only were they one hundred percent wrong, but Trump
didn't just win. He won what it would have to
be characterized in many ways as a landslide victory out
of nowhere. One states that they said he had no
chance of winning Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, states that he would
win again in twenty twenty four, but in twenty sixteen,
they didn't see it coming at all, and so in
(08:12):
the immediate aftermath of Trump's win, the media and the
intelligencia and the entire Democrat establishment had two paths they
could have taken.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
One.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
They could have said, Hey, maybe.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
This guy Donald Trump is a much better politician than
we thought he was, and maybe Hillary Clinton is a
much worse politician than we thought she was. And they
could have gone through all of the returns and they
could have come up with a game plan to try
to beat Trump in twenty twenty that acknowledged the significance
(08:48):
of his win and also gave credit to him for
being an elite politician.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
They didn't do that.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Instead, they went back and they said, they're there's no
way this result could have happened, and happened in a
legal manner. In other words, Trump had to have cheated.
What are we missing? Everybody said Hillary was going to win.
What are we missing? What happened to make Trump win?
(09:19):
And instead of saying Hillary was a bad candidate, Hillary
didn't campaign in the States she should have. Hillary used
her resources poorly. She was a thoroughly unlikable person to many,
even Obama voters. Remember, Obama came out of nowhere to
beat Hillary way back in two thousand and eight, despite
the fact that Hillary had all of the advantages. What
(09:43):
was it that happened? They decided it had to be
something outside the bounds of normalcy. There had to be
cheating going on. Trump cheated, And I believe what happened
was that message was conveyed to the intelligence community, which
also was stunned beyond belief that Trump could win, and
so they came up with the idea that Russia put
(10:06):
its finger on the scale, and the story became manufactured narrative,
the reason Trump won was Russia. And they even moved
beyond Trump one because of Russia. To Trump is and
was a Russian agent. He is effectively the Manchurian candidate.
(10:26):
They took that manufactured evidence that they had created in
the intelligence communities out to the Washington Post, the New
York Times, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, and they all
uncritically took that expert intelligence information and trumpeted it as
(10:50):
news and said Trump cheated. All of this was the
product of Russia's interference in our election. And they did
it by saying Russia hacked the election. And many people
out there in the media, in the Democrat Party, you
can say they're one and the same, decided to immediately
(11:11):
put Trump under siege because the idea from the get
go was that he was an illegitimate president. They couldn't
accept that Hillary lost. Again, this was the original sin.
They had two paths. Hillary just lost. She was a
bad candidate. Trump was better than we thought. That is
(11:31):
I think indisputably true. Instead, they said they had to
have cheated. Let's delegitimize Trump. Right at the outset, they
made the calculated decision, Hey, this is the path we're
going to take. And here is where Buck we'll talk
about this, because I don't think this story is going away.
We'll talk about this with Buck when you come back
(11:51):
on Monday. I think he would sign on to this.
The intelligence agencies are so big that if you want
to find a story to tell in side of that
intelligence agency, there's somebody with data points that will allow
you to tell the story that you want to tell uncritically.
The Washington Post, New York Times, ABCNBCCBSC, and MSNBC. They
(12:13):
all ran with Russia and Trump cheated. That's why they
won the election. If you asked any questions about that,
oh you were complicit as well.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Maybe Russia was paying you all of that.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Then leads to basically the entire Trump one point zero
regime being under siege from the moment they came into office.
Attorney General won't end it, says, hey, we've got to
have a special counsel to investigate all this Russia collusion.
Muller comes in, spends years investigating. Eventually, what does he
(12:49):
come out and say, there's no evidence of collusion effectively,
but it took years. That also, when we come back,
I want to talk about this, it was just twenty sixteen.
All of this also set the table for what I
think was the ultimate rig job of twenty twenty when,
(13:09):
because they had set the idea that Trump was Putin's stooge,
that Trump was working for Russia. When the one hundred
percent legitimate Hunter Biden laptop, which indicated so much wrongdoing
by the Biden family, when that was in FBI possession,
they decided to say the fifty one intelligence agents that
(13:31):
it had all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation. They then
sold an additional Russia lie. The idea from the outset
was clear Trump is a Russian stooge. Trump is controlled
by Putin. The only way he could have won in
twenty sixteen was by Russian interference was all a lie,
(13:54):
And what Tulsea was talking about yesterday was that even
the intelligence agencies themselves did not have the evidence to
support the lies that they helped to propagate. That's why
all this is significant eight hundred and two two two
eight A two. I hope I'm explaining that in a
way that is understandable, because I under understand certainly how
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Speaker 2 (15:33):
Sad News.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
As we started off the show reporting Hulk Hogan, seventy
one years old American original American Icon past in the
last hour and a half or so, and many reacting
to his passing, I asked you, guys, you can send
me talkbacks of moments that you remember from Hulk Cogan's career.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
We're joined now by Bill O'Reilly.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
In terms of Icon, you spent a lot of time
talking about celebrities and impact and the legacy of fame
and all of these I think just tremendously generational and
timeless analyzes. Where would you put Hulk Hogan on the
list of true American original celebrities in that context for
(16:26):
which you have spent much of your career writing about.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
I interviewed Hogan back when he was probably the top
wage earner in the wrestling business, and I think he's
the most famous wrestler ever, So, I mean, you don't
get more iconic in that industry than that. But what
is historical importance is is that he destroyed that smear website.
Speaker 6 (16:55):
Which was damaging Walker.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
He took down and I.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Admired that because that was the worst. I mean, there
are a lot of bad websites now, a lot nothing
like that, and he took them down single handedly. It
was all him and that's what I will remember him
for as a journalist the wrestling industry. Okay, you know,
(17:26):
but what he did was he sent a message that
there is a limit to how much you can hurt
people using a website or a company, and that was
very important for this country.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
You are writing about right now, evil in particular confronting evil,
Assessing the worst of the worst. That book is going
to come out September ninth very soon yesterday, and we
didn't talk about it a ton on the show, But
yesterday Brian Coberger was confronted by the family and friends
(18:04):
of the four young people that he murdered in cold
blood in Idaho. What did you think as you watched
that in terms of evil and the fact that he
just basically has declined to say anything about the crimes
that he is committing. That the plea that he has
(18:24):
entered into is going to save him from the death penalty,
but means I'll have to spend the rest of his
life in prison.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
That is singular evil, individual evil, and it's heinous, but
it's been in humankind forever. Every sin is a planet
and Neanderthals walked it. It has always been here. Singular evil.
What I write about in Confronting evil.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Is collective evil.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Where you have fifteen people that we spotlight inside the
book achieved enormous power, and they did so in a
variety of ways. But everyone knew they were evil.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
It wasn't like a debate about it.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
And yet they were able in their situations. The Ayahtola
and Iran Hitler in Germany, Stalin and Putin in Russia.
They were able to get to a position where they
killed millions and millions of people untold suffering. That was
my fascination. Now, I've covered a lot of stories of
(19:35):
my fifty years in journalism and a lot of heinous
serial killers. I chased Ted Bundy from coast to coast, right,
he was one of the worst ever. And my opinion
on it is very simple. These are psychotic people, their psychopaths,
(19:56):
and they will commit as much damage as they can.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
They are evil, and society.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Is an obligation to punish them as much as possible.
But it's not at the level of what I'm writing
about in my upcoming book.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
We're talking with Bill O'Reilly.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
We open the show talking about the revelations from Tulsea
Gabbard surrounding the twenty sixteen election and what the intelligence
agencies knew and what they said publicly. What do you
think the significance of that story is and playing it forward,
what will the consequences be, if any legally in your
(20:39):
mind going forward from the revelations she just shared, Well.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Brennan has definite criminal potential. The former CIA chief under Obama,
the guy according to the House Report. Remember this is
the House Intelligence Committee two years after the Senate issuecause
there's a lot of new information there and it was
(21:04):
chaired by Schiff to the Democratic majority on this committee,
they concluded that at least three times that Brennan knew
the information that he was using to get warrants to
do other things to damage the Trump administration was false.
(21:25):
So if I'm Brennan right now, I'm coming for the
best lawyer I can find. That looks like a slam
dunk case to me. That looks like prison time to me.
The others a little murky. I mean, I know the
right wing people are jumping up and down, going, Oh,
they're going to indict Barack Obama. They're not.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
That would be impossible.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
It's not going to happen. So if you want to
run around thinking that, fine, but it's not in the
real world, call me that the I chief now there,
You'd have to have a testimony inside the Bureau. You'd
have to someone inside the Bureau that worked and had
access to Camy and said, yeah, he knew the same
(22:05):
thing Brandon knew and he cooperated with the fraud.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
That's what you would need to nail.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Comy in front of a federal grand jury, they may
be able to get that. The current Justice Department may
be able to get that.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
And so whenever.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
These stories break, I always tell my listeners and viewers
that you have to live in the real world. Supreme
Court is rule clearly in Donald Trump's case in the
January sixth that he had the right as president to
say and do what he felt was necessary. Barack Obama's
(22:46):
going to fall right under that category unless you have
Michelle Obama saying, hey, you know, he knew it was
a fake.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
I don't think you're going to get it, but you
know who knows.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
We're talking to a bill or got a new book
coming out about Confronting evil. September ninth, what would you
tell President Trump he should do about the Epstein revelations
and the ongoing story there. If he asked you for advice,
your advice would be what.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
We they asked me this morning.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Oh, okay, about four hours ago, I got a call
from the President and I you know, I don't.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
Report word for word, but I'll tell you generally my
feeling about it.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Okay, So I don't think that President Trump should answer
any questions about Epstein. He should defer to the Justice Department.
I would not as president, allow myself to be besieged
by this story. It is a legitimate story in the
sense that there are millions of Americans, not just liberal people,
(23:55):
but conservative as well. We believe the fix is in
at the federal lefe and if you're rich and powerful,
you're going to be protected, even if you're a criminal.
That is a common belief in America. That makes the
story valid. So what I would do would be have
one spokesperson designated by the Justice Department to deal with
this situation and to tell the American people, here's what
(24:18):
we are doing. If you read to Wall Street General
report yesterday, it said clearly that in the information compiled
by the federal government about Jeffrey Epstein, there are literally
hundreds of names in that information, hundreds guys that delivered
(24:39):
the bagels, you know, all of those.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
So these people screaming, oh, you got to put it
all out.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
That would be billions of dollars in lawsuits if the
Justice Department were to do that. Billions Because if your
name is associated with Jeffrey Epstein's name in any capacity,
you're going to be harmed. There's not going to be
text applied to it by anybody, and so your name
pops up alongside Jeffrey Epstein. Whoever doesn't like you is
(25:08):
going to use that to hurt you. And so the
Justice Department cannot do that.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
It is impossible.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
And also in the Journal article, and remember the Journal article,
the Journal is going after Trump. They want to hurt Trump,
that newspaper, which is going to be catastrophic for the
Murdoch family and Fox News down the road. Also in
that article is no one is currently under federal investigation
(25:38):
in this case, no one?
Speaker 6 (25:42):
Now.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
The Wall Street Journal is usually pretty accurate in its reportage.
I don't know about this birthday car business.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Were you stunned by the way?
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Let me ask you about that, because to me, from
a news perspective, I think, do you first have to
ask yourself the question we're talking about, is this news?
And then secondarily you ask okay, is it relevant new?
I don't even get to the second question because Trump
doing even if he did it a body birthday card
(26:15):
twenty some odd years ago for Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
To me, isn't news.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Epstein wasn't a felon then, and so I don't think
it would surprise anybody that Trump might have a little
bit of a locker room sense of humor back for
much of his life. I mean, that's been well chronicled.
I'm just kind of surprised that they chose even to
run that story.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Well, three things involved here, number one year correct. It
is not a news story on its own. But what
the press is trying to do is link Trump to Epstein.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
In doing bad things. That's what this is all about.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
That's what the Trump That's why President Trump should stay
away from this. What the dishonest, corrupt, corporate media in
America is trying to do is convince Americans that Donald
Trump had access to Jeffrey Epstein's crimes and may have participated.
(27:16):
That's what the press wants Americans to believe. So any
linkage between Trump and Epstein is going to be blown up.
This is a very simple story. A forensic can make
a determination on whether that card isn't Trump's.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
Hand or not.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Trump says he didn't do it and files suit two
days later, two days two days. I mean, come on,
that looks like a pretty aggressive action to me. And
if the NAL is wrong, yes, this is an important point.
If the Wall Street Journal published the story using a
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bogus birthday card.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
That's not real. It was a fraud.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
The whole thing collapses not only to Wall Street Journal,
Fox News, everything else done. That's how big this story is.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Let me ask you the last question here. You mentioned
that you talked to President Trump earlier, not asking for
particulars of the conversation. How would you assess his overall
vibe and demeanor as you just talked to him today,
compared to so far in this term and also compared
to last term. How comfortable? How confident did you find
(28:33):
him to be?
Speaker 3 (28:35):
He's tired, and he's tired because this kind of stuff
wears you down, and he believes that he's doing an
excellent job for the country. Last night they had a
great deal with Japan and now.
Speaker 6 (28:53):
Ye by Trump administration fabulous. He got not.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
One second of coverage on the nightly newscast, the three
of them, not a seton Epstein got ten minutes. So
Trump is furious, furious because this kind of stuff weighs
you down emotionally and mentally. Now he's the strongest guy
I know, I mean, my god, but his hand is
(29:18):
well enough because he has to shake hundreds of hands
a week.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
I do fizz bumps because I got to take a
lot of hands too.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Everybody knows me wherever I go, but I don't shake hands,
and I tell people, look, I can't have it swollen.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
Hey, well Trump's hand is bothering them. It's painful. Okay.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
So he's going over to Scotland while play some golf
over there.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Get some you know, cooler temperatures. And I was asking him.
I said, look, you know you're only a person because
I know him so long, and I said, you.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Know, you gotta be a little You got to carry
yourself here physically and everything.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
You got it. And that's why my advice, and I
hope he takes it.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Don't acknowledge this Epsteine thing at all. Let the Justice
Department handle it.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
And that's that.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Bill O'Reilly fantastic as always. The book coming out is
confronting evil, assessing the worst of the worst. It will
be out September ninth. We look forward to talking to
you again. You can also check them out at Bill
O'Reilly dot com read his columns there.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Appreciate you, sir.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
All right, Clay.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
One more thing, we just passed a million subscribers on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
That's important.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Three months and it's YouTube dot com slash Bill O'Reilly,
and it's totally different than what we do on our
television broadcast. So I appreciate you having me on Tell Buck.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
I think he's faking it, okay, all right.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
But I'll be listening on Monday when you guys get
together again.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Appreciate you, sir, and go check out his YouTube page.
You can also check out our YouTube page. Bill O'Reilly's
dunk it all. He just said he's got a million subscribers.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
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Speaker 1 (31:02):
I'm pulling it up right now, ninety thousand. We have
gone over ninety thousand subscribers. I want us over one
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Can you please go subscribe. Search out my name Clay Travis,
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Breaking news as we started to show sad news, especially
for those of you who grew up watching Hull Cogan
back in the day seventy one years old. Hull Cogan passes.
That just happened in the last couple of hours. If
you want to give us a talkback, you may have
heard several people talking about their experiences or their memory
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ease of Hulkgan and Absolute Icon, true American original spoke
last year about this time in Milwaukee, Wisconsin at the
Republican National Convention. We may play you that audio again
in his honor as he endorsed President Trump, and so
we will continue to talk about that. First hour of
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You will not miss anything. We talked all about the
Russiagate and why it mattered and why it was significant,
and where I thought things were headed. Now after the
revelations from Tulca Gabbard yesterday, a lot of you asking
questions will continue to discuss those. I would put our
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analysis of the larger Russia Gate question up against almost anyone,
maybe everyone, in all of media in terms of telling
you why it matters and where we go from here.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
All of that.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Coming still down as the days and weeks continue. Also, Epstein,
the grand jury testimony refused to be released by an
Obama appointed judge. The grand jury testimony. Right now, there
is a meeting going on between Julaane Maxwell and one
of the top officials in the Department of Justice, one
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of the deputy Attorney generals. We will find out if
any news emerges from that. Julaane Maxwell convicted of sex trafficking,
currently serving twenty years in prison as a part of
those convictions. She is in Tallahassee, Florida, and we will
give you the latest as more details emerge there.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
But I did want to have some fun.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
We got a bunch of clips out there, and we
almost talked about this yesterday, but then all the Russia
Gate news happened, and I thought this was super fascinating.
I believe, really Sunny Hostin is the dumbest person who's
on television daily in media, and that might be unfair
to her because certainly there are lots of her castmates
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on the view that give her a run, whether it's
Joey Behar.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Woop be Goldberg.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
But those people are actually comedians, and I don't know
that most of us look around and say, hey, you
know who the most brilliant people in America are comedians.
I don't necessarily look to Joy Behar or whoop be
Goldberg to be able to explain complicated things to large audiences.
Sunny Hostin, I believe has a law degree from Notre Dame.
(35:31):
Team will you confirm that that is correct? The Fighting
Irish gave Sonny Hostin a law degree. I know she
has a law degree. I think it's from Notre Dame,
but her inability to understand basic legal related issues when
she's talking to her audience suggests to me that Notre
(35:53):
Dame should ask for that law degree. Back here is
Sonny Hostin yesterday on the View saying, firing Stephen Colbert
is the dismantling of our democracy and the dismantling of
our constitution.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Listen to cut ten.
Speaker 8 (36:11):
If it is political, this is the dismantling of our democracy.
This is the dismantling of our constitution. Right, and so
the first Amendment is the first Amendment for a reason,
and that is freedom of the press, freedom of speech,
freedom to speak truth to power. If that is taken away,
if the comedians are being attacked, then that means our
constitution is being dismantled. That means the very rubric of
(36:33):
our democracy is being dismantled. And I think every single
person should be really, really concerned about it. And if
we find out it is political, what are we going
to do as a country. We must protect our constitution,
but we must protect our.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Democraphy she is a moron.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
She does in fact have a law degree from Notre Dame.
Notre Dame after that segment aired, should say, actually, could
we please have your JD back. I don't know if
she ever passed a bar exam. If she did, that
is unbelievable. By the way, ABC, I'm just getting an update.
ABC got back with us after we invited ourselves onto
(37:15):
The View. Our producer Ali, we got an email, Hi,
tomorrow is our last day in studio for this season.
The show returns in September for the new season. We
then said we would do any day that they wanted
in the new season. They have not responded, so we
at least now have made contact with the View and
negotiations are ongoing and by negotiations. I mean, we are
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happy to go on anytime, and they are likely to
tell us that they will not have us on anytime.
But some negotiations are going. It's kind of like how
the single guys out there negotiations to date Sidney Sweeney
are going, Hey, Sidney, anywhere you want to go, you know,
I'll show up, we'll date, And Sidney Sweeney is like, yeah, okay,
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probably not clamoring to date you, but if you're a
single guy, might as well shoot your shot. So basically,
we are telling the View will be there anytime, any place, anywhere,
and the View is saying, hey, we got to wash
our hair.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
We'll get back to you.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
But Sonny Hostin, I can't believe that this that a
law graduate.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Again.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
I'm taking Whoopee Goldberg and Joy Behar off the table
that somebody who went to law school for three years
at a elite law school like Notre Dame is a
very good law school could misapprehend basic First Amendment and
Constitution related law to go on and talk to that
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audience and be that stupid.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Look.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Nobody has a constitutional right to get paid millions of
dollars to tell.
Speaker 9 (38:48):
Jokes if they did that would be a hell of
a gig if in the Constitution it was written, Hey,
and Clay Travis gets to tell whatever jokes he wants
and everybody has to pay him millions of dollars to
do it. If that were a constitutional right, that'd be
a hell of a constitutional right for me. No one
(39:10):
is taking away Stephen Colbert's right to free speech. If
tomorrow Julie Talbot, my boss and Buck's boss came in
and she said, Hey, you guys are fired, nobody would
be taking away our First Amendment speech. We don't have
a First Amendment right to talk to you on the
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radio every day. iHeart is a corporation and they can decide, Hey,
who do we think is going to do a good
show and make us money. We would like to enter
into a contract with them if we start doing a
bad show, if we start not making the money, then
we would be gone.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
That's the reality.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Stephen Colbert's show lost forty million dollars. I will guarantee
you if this show lost one million dollars, I bet
Buck and I wouldn't have a job anymore. If Russia's
show had lost one million dollars, I bet Rush wouldn't
have had a job anymore. Anyone who talks to large
(40:15):
audiences for a living is obligated unless you own the
company yourself, which I do not, which Buck does not,
which Sean Hannity does not, which Glenn Beck does not,
which Jesse Kelly does not. All distributed by Premiere on
many of these same stations all across the nation.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
If we lose money, we're gonna lose our jobs. That's good.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
That's how the marketplace works. No one is stopping Stephen
Colbert from starting his own YouTube channel. No one is
stopping Stephen Colbert from starting his own podcast. No one
is stopping Stephen Colbert from telling as many jokes at
the expense of whomever he wants the punchline.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
To be for the rest of his life.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
All that has happened is Paramount, which owns CBS. They're
business people. They got out their ledger and they went
down and they said, hey, we're losing forty million dollars
on this show. Should we continue to lose forty million
dollars on this show forever?
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Maybe more?
Speaker 1 (41:27):
As the audience continues to decline and move online and
move away from late night television. Most business people would
say no, we're not going to do this. Whatever you do.
If you work at a for profit business, if your
mechanic shop is losing money, you're probably going to fire people.
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If your roofer roofing business is losing money.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
You're going to fire people.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
If your gutter guard company is losing money, you're going
to fire people. No one has the right to be
employed for as long as they want and not have
the consequences of that. And for Sonny Hostin to say, oh,
our democracy, our constitution, our first amendment is at stake
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if Stephen Colbert is fired because his show isn't making
money anymore, is so moronically unintelligent that I actually think
Notre Dame should ask for their law.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Degree back.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
And I think we should have an investigation into the
bar exam that Sonny Hostin passed, because if you have
that poor of an understanding of basic constitutional law, I
question how in the world you passed any bar exam.
What an unbelievable idiot. But that's the kind of arguments
(42:56):
that you are seeing now being made across the landscape.
And guess what also just happened. Paramount, the parent company
of CBS that distribute Stephen Colbert's Show just gave a million, sorry,
a billion and a half dollars to Trey Parker and
Matt Stone who do South Park, the comedic show which
(43:20):
has aired now for twenty some odd years on Comedy
Central and is also owned by Paramount. They just gave
them a new five year deal for one point five
billion dollars. And I believe I'm correct that their debut
episode for the new season just aired last night and
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they made a lot of jokes at Donald Trump's expense.
Paramount didn't fire them. Do you know why? Because their
show makes money. And if your comedy show makes money,
my bet is that every business in America is going
to get behind you and want to make more money.
And so Sonny Hostin's on the view crazily that show
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makes money. But if they start to lose money, guess
what's going to happen. ABC News is going to say, hey,
we don't have to do this anymore. Corporations aren't bound
to make you rich because some people happen to like
your politics. Failure to understand basic business actually is a
huge issue across the entire landscape of America right now.
(44:30):
If you want to make more money and you aren't
at a for profit business. Let me give you a
little piece of advice on behalf of business owners everywhere,
on behalf of small business owners everywhere.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Make more money.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
I have never seen anybody get fired who makes their
bosses a lot more money year after year. And that
is in fact the truth, whether Sonny Hostin knows it
or not. Notre Dame Law School, please ask for your
law degree to be returned, because you have given it
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Welcome back in play Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We'll go some more
of your talkbacks and some of your calls and emails
to close out the show. But we are going now
to be joined by Representative Brian Jack from third Congressional
District in Georgia. Prior to joining this edition of Congress,
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you worked with President Trump, and we're gonna get into
a bunch of different things. But when you see all
of the stories coming out about the Russia Gate hoax
and everything that surrounds that, how impactful was that were
those hoaxes when Trump one point zero was underway? What
did you see in those days?
Speaker 5 (47:48):
Well, first and foremost, as someone who listens to the show,
it's an honor to be a guest for the first
time on it, and I hope this is the first
of many conversations to come. But to your point, I
in President Trump's campaign and some of the earliest days
of his twenty sixteen campaign and when he went to
the White House, I served in the White House in
the very first and very last day of his administration.
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And while that administration set records across his agenda, this
administration is setting even more records, and I think what
we as a team learned throughout these last ten years
is to focus on the policies that matter to Americans,
especially at election time, which are the economy, which are immigration,
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safety at home, and try to avoid as best you
can distractions that don't allow us to make our case
to the American people and likewise don't allow us to deliver
wins to the American people. So I think we've all
endured quite a bit of those hoaxes, as you've mentioned,
and I myself and I no exception to it. And ultimately,
(48:53):
I think we're all excited this August to be talking
about the President's one big, beautiful bill and what we're
going to accomplish the rest of this Congress actually around boxing,
which is what I'm very excited about.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
I'm going to get to that in a moment. But
you have seen, certainly the news about Hull Cogan. A
lot of our audience has been reacting just an unbelievable
cultural icon from the eighties, the nineties, the two thousands.
I bet that you have some Hull Cogan memories, and
obviously last year on the stage at the RNC, what
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do you remember about the cultural icon of hul Cogan.
Speaker 5 (49:31):
Sure, well, I'm myself a big WWE fan and was
even even bigger WCW fan back in the day. Admittedly,
I was a big Goldberg fan. I actually went just
a few weeks ago to see his retirement match in Atlanta,
and it was very special for me because twenty seven
years before he retired, I also was at Hulk Versus
Soldberg the Georgia Dome. I know that Super Bowl Monday night,
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but I was at that show. So twenty seven years
later to have an opportunity to watch Goldberg retire was
an incredible opportunity, incredible experience, and that hadn't been said
as it relates to the Hule coman. He's your point
is an American icon and Frankly and I know we're
going to get into boxing, but that's what inspires me
about trying to revive boxing, this once great American sport.
But the heroes of boxing yesterday is something that inspires
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me to try to get this legislation path so we
can have heroes and cultural icons like Muhammad Ali and
the sport going forward.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
I mean, I think if you're around my age, you
grew up in the Mike Tyson era of boxing. Mike
Tyson was the must watch guy when I was a
kid growing up. A lot of people out there older
have different boxers that they watched. MMA has taken off.
In fact, President Trump has said next year he's going
to have a UFC event on the south lawn of
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the White House, which I'm hoping I get to go
to because that's going to be one of the most
badass sporting events of all time. Boxing has struggled sometimes
in this culturally relevant space. WWE has Monster AUTI is
still We know that the UFC has unbelievable audience as well.
Huge percentages of our audience would be paying attention to
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those events on a regular basis. But boxing has struggled
to keep pace. Why do you think that is and
what are you trying to do to help bring boxing
back in the United States?
Speaker 5 (51:19):
Well, what I find most interesting is that boxing professional
boxing is the only sport regulated by Congress. And I
think that perhaps some of your listeners may not have
been aware of that, nor too have some of my
colleagues been aware of that. So part of this is
informing and letting people know that Congress actually has a
legitimate role in operating in the space because we have
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history here. In nineteen ninety six, Congress tried to address
some of the health and safety issues in boxing, and
they've passed the Professional Boxing Safety Act of ninety six,
and two thousand, Congress came back and passed the Mohammed
Ali Act, which helped address some of the corruptive nature
of the sport. I think one of the challenges in
the last twenty five years, again, it's been twenty five years,
(52:03):
a quarter of a century since Congress touched and enacted
any legislation around boxing. You've seen this precipitous decline in
the sport. Viewerships down, pay per view buys are down,
and I think one of the challenges is we haven't
seen innovation in this sport for twenty five years. The
reason why we have not seen innovation, and the reason
why I yesterday introduced the Muhammad Ali American Boxing Revival Act,
(52:26):
is because we need to clarify existing law where it's
ambiguous so that we can usher in new types of organizations,
new types of business model so to speak, to come
into this sport and function alongside the sanctioning organizations that
will continue to function in this sport. We want to
have more choice and more opportunities for boxers. We need
(52:47):
legislation that defines who can operate in this space and
how they can operate in the space. And we've got
to clarify what's there because no innovation will not yield
the next generation of heroes what we're trying to And.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
I would imagine we would also like to have more
of the biggest fights in the United States, right to
the extent that we could help make that happen. I
know boxing is a global brand business now and people
pay for them to go all over the world, but
I would imagine part of that goal is to make
it possible for us to have great fights again here
in the United States.
Speaker 5 (53:22):
Well, to your point, I mean, people on the show,
you know where you were when Holyfield Tyson. You may
remember where you were in eighty five Hagler learned. So
I think that when you think about what we're trying
to accomplish here, it's to build to build consensus around
the country that we need Congress to move on this legislation.
(53:42):
We've got to have an update every twenty five years,
and we need to deliver innovation opportunities for those that
are interested in not bringing in the sport, and innovation
is going to generate. In my mind, it's going to
generate a lot of American interests in the sport. You're
going to see folks coming up, and some of the
safety protections and some of the compensation and enhancements that
we're adding to this bill are going to again motivate
(54:04):
and excite people about wanting to get involved in the sport.
It's been thirty seven years since American has won a
gold medal. I hope the next gold medalist is inspired
by this legislation and gets back into the ring and
fights their way to a champion.
Speaker 1 (54:19):
I would love to have an American gold medal boxer.
I'd also just like to have men actually win men's
boxing and women win women's boxing. How crazy is it
that the President had to put a rule in place
so the United States Olympic Committee would say, hey, women's
sports can only be for the Olympics competed in by women.
Speaker 5 (54:38):
Well, and again, I think that ultimately there may be
people that try to inject some of those cultural wars
into this. This is a really sound piece of legislation
and Ultimately, we have protections for male boxers and we've
protections from female boxers within this legislation. The key if
it is ensuring that we provide more opportunities for boxers,
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gauge in the sport, earn better compensation in the sport,
have greater health and safety protection. And I think anybody listen,
it's been twenty five years, a quarter of a century
since we've updated boxing laws. It's long overdue. If we're
able to pass this, so you're going to usher in
a whole new era of innovation that's going to revitalize
and revive the sport. And let me just also say
we calling them the Muhammad Ali Boxing Revive American Boxing
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Revival Act because we have the endorsement of Lani Ali,
the wife of Muhammad Ali. That was very special to
us and she has a very special statement and support
of it. And we also have the endorsement of the
Association of Boxing Commissions. The ABC is considered the gold
standard in the sport. So having their input, helping learn
from them how best to shape this legislation, I think
(55:42):
an incredible product.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
Congressman, we appreciate you listening to the show. Thanks for
all the work you've done for President Trump. This sounds
like a bill that makes a lot of sense. You're
listening to Brian Jack, representing the third Congressional District of Georgia.
I hope we can keep keeping you entertained on this
and good luck with the bill.
Speaker 5 (56:02):
It was an honor speaking with you. A big fan
of yours, big fan of the show as a listener.
Like I said, I would love to come back on
and share. We expect September October will start season movement
in the committee process. But as we move toward our
two hundred and fiftieth anniversary next year, let's revive this
once great American sport.
Speaker 6 (56:18):
Thank you, no.
Speaker 2 (56:19):
Doubt, thank you.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
That's a Congressman, Brian Jack, third Congressional District in Georgia.
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