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Is The Big Beautiful Bill Bloated?
The hour kicks off with a detailed discussion of what President Donald Trump has dubbed the “Big Beautiful Bill,” a sweeping piece of legislation currently under debate on Capitol Hill. President Trump, Speaker Mike Johnson, and other GOP leaders are rallying behind the bill, which includes major tax cuts, regulatory rollbacks, and incentives aimed at boosting the U.S. economy. The hosts predict the bill will pass, likening the political theatrics to previous debt ceiling and speaker vote showdowns.
Key highlights of the bill include:
Permanent extension of the 2017 Trump tax cuts
Elimination of taxes on tips
Adjustments to SALT (state and local tax) deductions
Phased elimination of EV and green energy tax credits
Increased funding for defense and immigration enforcement
Tightening of SNAP (food stamp) eligibility
A $4 trillion increase in the debt ceiling
Buck Sexton shares insights from a recent interview with the head of the National Economic Council, emphasizing that the bill could result in $7,000–$12,000 in annual savings for the average American household. However, both hosts acknowledge conservative criticism over the bill’s lack of deeper spending cuts and its continuation of certain green energy subsidies.
Democrats Don't Believe Illegal Immigration is a Crime
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show dive deep into the explosive political and legal controversy surrounding Congresswoman LaMonica McIver’s arrest for allegedly obstructing ICE agents during a detention center visit. Hosts Clay and Buck analyze the implications of her actions, highlighting the irony of her past “no one is above the law” rhetoric—previously aimed at Donald Trump—now being turned against her. They explore the broader theme of political hypocrisy and the consequences of “lawfare,” emphasizing how Democrats are now facing the same legal tactics they once championed.
The hour also features a sharp critique of the Democratic Party’s stance on illegal immigration. Clay and Buck argue that Democrats no longer view illegal immigration as a crime, citing McIver’s confrontation with ICE as emblematic of a broader ideological shift. They question why Democratic leaders prioritize the rights of non-citizens over the needs of underserved American communities, particularly Black constituents in urban districts like McIver’s New Jersey 10th, which is nearly 50% Black. The hosts suggest that this disconnect may be driving more minority voters toward the GOP, referencing recent political shifts in cities like New York and Chicago.
Tom Homan, former acting ICE director, is featured in a clip reinforcing the legal boundaries McIver allegedly crossed, underscoring the seriousness of interfering with federal law enforcement. The discussion then pivots to the
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the C and B twenty
four to seven podcast. Here are your co hosts, Clay
Travis and Buck Sexton. Welcome in Tuesday edition. Clay Travis,
Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with
us as we are rolling through the program. A ton
of different news stories out there, the big beautiful Bill
(00:23):
Trump on Capitol Hill. We will talk with White House
official James Blair at two thirty that is the third
hour eastern of this program to get the absolute latest there.
James Comey went on MSNBC to talk about his Seashells
by the Seashore original sin the book is out. And
(00:44):
then a couple of crazy stories that we may have
some fun with during the course of the program. Robert Griffin, iid, Buck,
you saw this story and you were like this and
this can't be real. Is in a feud with a
guy named Ryan Clark Caitlin Clark and they have had
(01:05):
wife attacks. Now anyway, this is crazy. Also, I don't
know if you saw this. This is not super serious,
but is a little bit crazy. Bill Belichick and his
twenty four year old girlfriend are reportedly engaged. Buck so
true love as Spring flowers bloom may well be a
foot in the great state of North Carolina with Bill
(01:28):
Belichick as the head coach of the tar Heels. Some
ladies like granddad Bob, What can I tell you, seventy
two year old Belichick, twenty four year old Jordan Hudson.
The heart wants what the heart wants, Buck. But we begin,
We begin with the big beautiful bill. Trump is up
on Capitol Hill. Here is my prediction before we go
(01:50):
through all this different audio. The bill's going to pass.
This reminds me a bit of the speaker count votes
every time. Else eventually there is going to be a speaker,
and it reminds me of the debt ceiling. Oh my goodness,
what's going to happen. The government's going to shut down?
Oh oh no, And then the debt ceiling gets resolved.
(02:11):
Nothing ever really changes. It's all posturing and negotiation. So
that is my prediction of where we are, where we
are headed. But let's listen to what Trump said this
morning on Capitol Hill before the meeting.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
He said, this is a big, beautiful bill and we're
going to get it done because it has tremendous tax
cuts cut one well, that's not a question of.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Hold us fare.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
A tremendously unified party. I don't think we've ever had
a party like this. There's some people that want a
couple of things that.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Maybe I don't like or that they're not going to get.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
But I think we're going to have tremendous not in luck.
We have tremendous talent. This man has done an incredible
job of speaking. So I think we're going to I
think we're a very unified party. The Senate's doing great.
John Thune is doing fantastically. He's a great guy. And
we're gonna have a bill, the one big beautiful bill.
I think it's going to be the biggest bill ever passed,
(03:05):
and we got to get it done. Tremendous tax cuts
for people, tremendous incentives, tremendous regulation cuts, so all these
regulations that are so horrible.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Okay, so that was before the meeting. Speaker Johnson after
the meeting, and then I'll play some Trump. Here's Speaker
Johnson after the meeting of what happens if they don't
pass this bill.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
So they love this president of people back home love
what he's doing. It's historic, and everybody understands the scope
and the meaning of this. If we do not accomplish
this mission, every one of you, all the American people,
are gonna have the highest tax increase that you've ever had.
And among the debt stealing clip that's approaching and all
the other problems, this is the bill to do it.
I think we're gonna get dumb as president.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Okay, and then Trump after the meeting, one more cut
five and then Buck, you can weigh in on all
the drama on Capitol. How big it is, how beautiful
it is, so beautiful, I can't stop looking at it.
Trump says it was a meeting of love.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
That was a meeting of love. Let me tell you
that was love in that room.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
There was no shouting there.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
I think it was a meeting of love.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
There were a couple of things that we talked about,
specifically where some people felt a little bit one way
or the other not a big deal, and I covered
them and wasn't so much a speech.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
I covered certain points, and I think it was. I'd
be very surprised.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
No, I didn't tell who told you? I said, I'm
losing inside room. But get somebody ready in question, who's
told you that people inside the room totally.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I never used the term.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
I didn't stay losing.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
I didn't even talk about it. In fact, it's the opposite.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
I think we're getting into that.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I'm not losing patients, we're ahead of schedule. Anybody that
told you that it's a liar.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
I never.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Mentioned that we're losing patients because I'm not losing we're
ahead of such. But why didn't you go back to
your source and tell them they're liars? If the source
even existed?
Speaker 1 (04:56):
All right, so there is Trump getting into it with
a reporter, Capitol Hill buck your take on all this, well,
one thing. I'll get into the substance of the bill
in just a second. I just when I hear Trump
with the reporters, I do think you know you and
I we know Don Junior and Avanka. Could you imagine
Trumps your dad like trying to tell him why you
broke curfew or something like excuse me, excuse like just
(05:18):
he's very tough to argumber. Remember when we had Junior
on at the RNC, if I remember correctly, and he
had gotten permission to have a few people over and
just got home and there were, like he said, one
hundred people at the house and he was just like,
all of them have to be gone. Can you imagine
being at that party of the high school kid. Trump
(05:40):
walks in and he's like, you're all gone, Like he's
not the dad, He's not the dad that you wanted
to be rolling kegs in when he wasn't looking. I've
just thrown that out there, Like I can tell you know,
I met him when I was thirteen or fourteen for
the first time, and uh yeah, he was. Nobody was
messing with him then and nobody's messing with him now. Okay,
the big beautiful bill, it's huge, it's beautiful's get into it.
(06:00):
The biggest thing in this Clay and you know I
spoke to and you can check it out. It's on
the Clay and Buck podcast network. In the Buck Brief,
I spoke to the head of the National Economic Council
and I just said, my friend, you are respectfully he's
a PhD from Harvard in economics, and I said, you
are an econ guy. I didn't want to say nerd,
(06:21):
but I mean, I think econ Nerd would be respectfully
said here, I said, take me through the whole thing.
And so we just sat there and I went through it.
I'll give you some of the highlights of it, and
what is in this that really matters to people and
why Trump is so excited about it. The first thing
is it's one of those if you don't do it,
really bad things are going to happen, meaning the tax
raises that would kick in, because the twenty seventeen Trump
(06:46):
tax cuts are made permanent here, so I know it's confusing,
but if the stuff, if you don't do this, they
would expire and you would go back to much higher
tax rates. So that would be a shock to the
system in a bad way. Right, that's one part of it.
You're extending tax cuts. You're extending tax cuts really across
a whole range, whether it's for businesses, for individual filers,
(07:11):
and the average American family on an annual basis. And
again this is from the Chairman of the National Economic Council,
and I said, let's nerd out, buddy. Let's go. It's
something like seven to twelve thousand dollars of additional money
in the bank for you at the end of the
year for the average American household. Okay, that's not I
(07:33):
think that's such an important because of say it's for
the rich. It's for the billionaires. The Democrats, who rely
on their plurality of billionaires to fund their party, are
always so upset about billionaires. Right, This has nothing to
do with the billionaires. This is about the average American household.
And you're gonna have think about that. If someone told you, hey,
you're gonna have an extra ten grand next year at
(07:54):
the end of the year, you'd say, wow, that's that's great. Well,
that's what this does for the average household. So I
think that's really it's Also there's the salt deduction component
of this, so there's the cap for this is going
to be changed. They're going to deduct more of the
regional taxes from the federal tax bill. That's actually good
(08:16):
for blue states. And I think that's probably for some
blue state Republicans or purple state Republicans something they're happy
to see. The big one. Clay and I said, Wow,
they're actually doing this no tax on tips. That that
is a real thing. Remember that was so popular and
cool when Trump said it on the campaign trail that
(08:36):
Kamala for whatever campaign she was running, she was like, yeah,
I think we should have no tax. She just blatantly
copied it. It was totally lifted it. Yeah, totally lifted it.
She was plagiarizing Trump. One thing that I'm going to
say people on the right are annoyed about is the
green energy tax credits part of this. The bill's initial
(08:57):
tax eliminates tax credits for electric vehicles within two years,
phases out credits for low carbon electricity, including wind and solar.
New requirements on these credits, but doesn't totally zero. And
there are people that are I'm just gonna tell you
what's getting criticized. They're criticizing this for not getting like
there should be the whole Green New Deal scam. Stuff
should all be completely root and branch taken out. Some
(09:20):
Republicans are saying, okay, we had Ron Johnson on yesterday
talk a bit about this. They tighten up snap Benefits,
which is food stamps. I guess we don't like to
call it food stamps anymore. They're tightening that up so
they think there'll be some savings. They're limiting funding for
the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which had been Elizabeth Warren's
little fiefdom that didn't actually help consumers but was a
(09:42):
good way to harass disfavored businesses by Democrats, increases the
debt limit for trillion dollars, and then some substantial funding
boost for Pentagon priorities and deportation. So Clay, I think
those are the big top lines of where where this
thing is, where this thing stands, And the biggest critic
(10:03):
is it's over a thousand pages, eleven hundred pages. Just
remember that when somebody's like, i've read the bill, you
have really yeah you know, yeah, uh, they've read the
section of the bill that their lobbyists one and included.
I'm sure, but this is on eleven hundred pages. And
the part of it that I think people on the right,
(10:23):
conservatives are a little frustrated on is just that it's
extending the debts, sealing four trillion dollars and doesn't really
have the big meaty cuts that from dose you would
have liked to see. That's the part of it. That's
but if you're talking about if you're talking about juicing
the economy, I mean, this thing I think is going
to be rocket fuel for the economy. So that's why
Trump's so excited about it. Look, it's it's not a
(10:46):
perfect bill, and the big issue, which if you're around
our age, meaning if you're forties or younger, that you're
going to have to deal with over the next two
generations is the national debts out of control. And the
only real way We've told you this before, the only
(11:06):
real way to fix the national debt is to address
social security and Medicare. And if you look, I believe
social Security, Medicare, defense, and the interest. I believe that's
eighty six percent of the entire federal budget. I think
that's the number. So even if you eliminated every other
(11:29):
part of the federal government, eighty six percent of it
would still exist just based on those four things. And unfortunately,
as our debt grows, the percentage of interest that we
have to pay on that debt grows massively such that
we now pay more typically unfortunately now for the debt
(11:49):
than we do national defense. And there is an argument
that if you look at history, as soon as the
debt expenditures exceed the defense eres your country, your civilization
has begun a decline. So wah first segment on Tuesday,
(12:11):
No one in the Democrat Party, no one in the
Republican Party, really wants to address social security and Medicare,
and until those issues are addressed, then there is virtually
no opportunity to balance a budget. That's the reality. Now.
I agree with Ron Johnson when he says, like, hey,
(12:33):
we should be going back to pre COVID baseline expenditures.
That's way better. That's the better solution here in my mind,
because we basically have embedded the cost of a growing
government from COVID and we're continuing. And by the way,
when you have twenty one percent inflation, your expenses are
going to go up substantially just to keep pace with
(12:55):
the cost of goods. But this is the reality in
which we live. There's also on the good side of things.
So I can give you the quick negative overview, not
of the bill, but just of the US fiscal trajectory is, uh,
we are not stopping this train at all, really, and
the next I think four years on the train are
(13:17):
gonna be awesome. So there's that, right, I think. I
think the Trump administration, you're gonna see everyone's gonna be
doing great, and that's fantastic, and you know, that's nothing
to sneeze at. But the other side of it is,
we haven't we haven't suffered enough as a country from
the overspending. When we've suffered enough, people will want to
do something about it, and we this is I almost
(13:38):
think it's a waste of time to get into beyond
that right now, Clay, because every time we could say
we're spending too much money, look at the math, you
can just line up. We'll just get calls all day
from everyone saying you absolutely cannot touch my medicare. Okay,
that's where we are, and that's what Trump is said.
You can't trust if you can't touch Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid. Basically,
(14:00):
there's nothing to talk about people. So we haven't suffered
enough as a country from the fiscal profligacy, and that
means that we just got to keep going and keep
on hoping that we grow and grow and grow this economy.
We got hundreds of billions coming in from the tariffs,
by the way, which you're hearing. You're not getting a
lot of conversation about that right now in the media
because the tariffs are going to bring in additional revenue
(14:22):
to the government. Remember, we used to fund until the
twentieth century, we funded this country's government on tariffs overwhelmingly.
I mean, that was that was the primary source so
it is a thing. But yeah, hopefully we can grow
grow the economy much faster and find, you know, greater
efficiencies that we'll be able to kind of keep riding
(14:44):
this thing out. But yeah, I'm with you, it's not
even worth the debt bomb. The debt bomb is ticking,
nobody wants to fix it, so why whine about it.
Trump is doing the best thing he can do for
the economy this year, and hopefully that means we lead
into better things than the years after it. But yeah,
that's kind of where I am on this. It's also
like having the debt ceiling fight. No, it's not even
fun to talk about it anymore because they're just going
(15:05):
to raise the debt ceiling if I'm wrong, let me know,
trying to stir the pot a little bit. Eight hundred
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all across this great land. It was quite a post
on X from Aleena Haba, the interim US Attorney for
New Jersey. She wrote on her X account that Congresswoman
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Lamonica mick Iver had been charged for assaulting, impeding, and
interfering with law enforcement when she visited the detention center
a couple other members of Congress back on the ninth
of May in New Jersey, and then put out a
statement from her office Clay, no one is above the law,
(16:59):
politics or otherwise. It is the job of this office
to uphold justice, impartially regardless of who you are. Now
we will let the justice system work. She had sought
a resolution without bringing criminal charges, according to The New
York Times, but miss McIver declined. She says, now, this
(17:21):
is Congresswoman mick Iver, that the ICE agents created an
unnecessary and unsafe confrontation. These charges are entirely political. Of
course we knew she was going to say that. But
you can see body camera footage released by the Department
of Homeland Security shows Representative McIver getting into it, Clay
(17:48):
tussling with members of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. One might
even say Clay obstructing, perhaps obstructing an official proceed or
official law enforcement activity, something that all the cops listing know. Yeah,
if they're trying to make an arrest and you're like, no,
(18:08):
that's my buddy, and you hip check the cops so
that he can't actually put the cuffs on. You're going
away too, That's not okay. Now there's a lot. There's
a lot going on here, Clay. Right, there's the law
and there's the law and order angle of this. The
no one is above the law, which Democrats certainly are
familiar with as a phrase because they used to say
(18:29):
it with such frequency to justify their absurd prosecutions. Four
of them one year never been convicted or charged with
the crime in his entire life, almost eighty years. Trump
goes without ever committing a crime, and then four in
one year that also happened to be the same year
he's running for reelection to be president. Gee, what a coincidence,
(18:49):
Almost like finding out Biden's cancer after the election that
they had to know about before. Quite a coincidence. But uh,
for me, this is they created this environment and I'm
happy having we can talk without the immigration piece of
this too, Clay, Like, really, they're they're willing to throw
their physically throw their bodies in front of ice agents
(19:10):
to stop deportations from happening. Members of Congress, people that
write the laws or at least pretend to write the laws.
But the law is the law. No one is above it.
Democrats made us all believe, or rather made us all
hear from them that they believe this, and now they
have to live with it. And I don't think they're
going to like the consequences because the Trump administration has decided,
(19:33):
you know what, we'll take you up on that your
terms are acceptable. Democrats. I think this was and is
and this will not surprise you, buck. But what Monica
mc ivor, the arrested congresswoman, texted, no one is I
mean tweeted, no one is above the law after Trump
(19:54):
was arrested. So you know this talking point that they
all had of no is above the law. Clearly they
thought they were above the law. But it's not a
good position to be in when you are arrested to
have on the record called your political adversaries out as
(20:14):
being as no one as being above the law. Now
do I think that this is some massively violent behavior
that she engaged in. No, But I do think that
there are countless people who were involved in January sixth
that engaged in less than what she did on that day,
(20:38):
that were charged with crimes that were hunted down by
the FBI that had to plead guilty to minor misdemeanors
and received massive punishment as a result. So, if you
put it in that context, what is good for the
goose is good for the gander, Which is probably a
phrase that I've never used before in the history of radio,
(20:58):
but seems apropos here. And I think what it represents
is there have been a lot of you, and I
am among them, and Buck is among them that said
the only real way we can end lawfair in this
country one Trump winning, I think showed Democrats that their
(21:18):
idea of putting him in prison for the rest of
his life and bankrupting him and trying to use the
full apparatus of the Department of Justice against him as
well as other state governments in Georgia and New York,
was not a way that was going to be politically
beneficial to them, and I think the results of the
(21:39):
twenty twenty four election were wildly important for that reason.
But the second part of this is they have to
feel the danger themselves of law fair redounding at them
as the paying the consequences here, And I'm curious how
aggressively the Democrat party will come out and defend her
(22:00):
because I will say this Buck remember the judge in
Milwaukee that they were saying, oh, like, this is an
unprecedented act, and then people looked into it, and then
a grand jury in Milwaukee indicted her. That story's kind
of vanished. They tried to make a lot of hay
of that. I don't think that the average person, because
it's on video, is going to watch this and say, hey,
(22:21):
you know what, this woman seems like she's being treated unfairly.
You know who's not going to all of a sudden
cry big tears for the situation. Tom Holman, I think
we could just call it. I think if he had
a nickname, like if this was Professor Wrestling, it would
be the Enforcer, because I think he is the enforcer
of immigration law. Here he is saying that she broke
(22:44):
the law, thiss has cut ten and she's going to
be held to account.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
You can push back into President Trump's immigration agenda whatever.
You can protest, but you cannot cross that line. You
can't annoyingly and impede a law enforced and offical ice officer.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
It's a crime.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
You can't annoyingly concealing harbor and aimlypromise you cannot, you know,
commit criminal trespass our facilities and the danger our employees,
and you certainly can't put hands on an ICE agent.
So you know, she's she's going to have to pay
the consequences for doing what she did.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
She broke the law, and we're going hold it accountable.
This is where we have to be reminded that the Democrats,
despite whatever they may say as a party publicly, and
I think even that you could argue has trended in
this direction, but they really don't believe that illegal immigration
is a crime. They don't believe that it's illegal, and
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so to them, anyone who's being held in a detention
facility for immigration related issues is essentially a political prisoner,
and therefore whatever they have to do in order to
bring attention to or even impede what's going on is
morally justified. They and this is what what more and
(24:00):
more Americans figure this out, we have greater clarity on
this issue, and we can handle this better. The Democrats
do not believe that anyone should be punished for being
in the country illegally, and I mean anyone. They fundamentally
do not believe that if someone is here, it doesn't
matter if they're a mass murderer on behalf of MS thirteen,
doesn't matter those crimes. Sometimes Democrats will agree this are bad,
(24:23):
like the killing of all the people. Okay, they'll say
that's bad. Fine, But the crime of status in the
country is not a crime. To them. They do not
believe that there is any infraction worthy of punishment that
comes from breaking immigration laws. And that is why you
have members of Congress who will throw their bodies in
(24:44):
the way and scream about this, and you know, all
this mayhem that they will cause around it. It's because fundamentally,
once you understand their view of it. Yeah, of course,
like if you and I were sitting here, we're talking
about people who are being locked up for absolutely no
reason whatsoever in our minds, as we'd say, well, that's
a huge problem. We've got to address this. That's what
they think about illegals. Yeah, and look, I think the
(25:07):
ultimate question here is why Democrats are still floundering to
such an extent. They're getting arrested to fight for the
rights of illegal immigrants. They're getting on airplanes to fly
to El Salvador to advocate for wife beating human trafficking
gang members who should never have been in this country.
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And I think a lot of regular, everyday Americans are
asking the question, why are Democrats willing to fight so
hard for people who are not citizens of this country
to continue to be able to illegally break the law here?
And I also think that a lot of people are
saying that this is indicative of them picking issues that
(25:50):
the average American does not agree with. And the only
reason this makes sense, the only reason this makes sense
is they have a plan to one day make all
of these people citizens of the United States and they
believe it will benefit them that I mean, is there
any other explanation that remotely makes sense for their behavior
(26:13):
right now? And let me just point this out. This
is a black congresswoman from New Jersey, right, this is
where Lamonica mc iver is from. Do you think the
average black constituent, because I bet her district is a
majority black district, that would be my guest. Team. You
can look that up and I'll correct it. If Lamonica
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mc iver has been representing a largely white area of
the country, I tend to think that's probably unlikely. Do
you think black constituents of Lamonica mc iver feel as
if they are being strongly represented by their congresswoman when
she is being arrested outside of an ice detention center.
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Is that advocating for their best interest? I think there
are a lot of black residents. We saw this happen,
certainly with more black residents in inner city starting to
vote Trump. We saw this New York City. We saw
it in many parts of the country, of New York
City in particular. But buck, remember all the Chicago Inner
City residents who were saying, wait a minute, you're taking
over our gyms, our sports bills that our kids are
(27:18):
supposed to be able to play on, to give benefits
to illegal filling their kids classrooms with correct kids who
have a tremendous amount of trauma from the journey, often
and speak no English, by the way, overwhelmingly, Look, we
have a limited amount of resources that we have to
provide support for underprivileged American citizens. And if your community
(27:41):
is feeling like it's underserved, are you looking over your
shoulder saying, Hey, these people who've only been here for
a couple of months. My families have been here for generations,
for decades, and we're struggling to stay ahead. And you're
going to give resources to all these illegal immigrants. I mean,
just honestly, I can't imagine that congress Woman La Monica
(28:03):
mc ivor that her average constituent says, Hey, this is
what I want you out fighting for. This is why
we sent you to Washington, d C. And US hard here.
The Marxists left in this country. I mean, I repeat myself, right,
but the the the hard left, the true left in
America has replaced uh, the you know, the modern Marxists
(28:28):
have replaced class solidarity with race solidarity, and so the uh,
the street disruptors, community organizers, social justice brigades, if you will,
they they now view issues. Remember we talked about this
even in the contact of Israel Palestine, like what why
why will you have black members of Congress who are
(28:50):
over you know, generally speaking, overwhelmingly pro Palestinian. I mean,
you know, make a case if you have solidarity with
people who have suffered persecution. The Jews have suffered more
than their share of persecution historically. But why do black
American congressmen identify with Palestinians Because Palestinians are considered brown,
even though there are Palestinians and I've met them. Because
(29:10):
I've been to the West Bank, et cetera, as has
Clay now who have red or blonde hair and blue eyes.
That's a whole other thing, okay, And you know, are
very very much you would think whier Caucasians. But put
that aside. They think Palestinians are brown. Therefore, black members
of Congress have a Marxist solidarity, but it's based on
(29:31):
race with the Palestinians. Same thing with the illegal immigrants.
At some level, what you're pointing out is what you
would think Black Democrat members of Congress would focus on
first and foremost, which is if they are and a
lot of them are in a predominantly African American Black
American district. Are illegal immigrants generally making the daily lives
(29:54):
of Black Americans better in their neighborhoods, in their schools.
Are they helping the resource allocation that those communities get
or are they a competition for that? And of course
we know the answer to this. But for the Cameras,
racial solidarity with the non white illegal immigrants is where
(30:15):
the left, the Marxists, the social justice construct in this
country goes. Here's the breakdown, by the way, forty eight
and a half percent black district twenty one point four
percent Hispanic, eighteen point eight percent white. So just shy
of a majority black district, but a massive, substantial overall
(30:38):
number of the population is black, and it is a
overwhelming Democrat district by she won in the last congressional
race based on what I'm looking to here, eighty one
point four percent of the vote to fifteen point six
percent to the Republican representative. So I mean again, we're
(31:02):
talking about, in my opinion, someone who is not representing
remotely the majority of the citizens of her district, and
I would think that would not be favorably received. Maybe
some of you are out there listening to us right
now in that New Jersey ten congressional district and want
two weigh in on whether you think she is representing
(31:22):
you well. Eight hundred two A two two eight a two. Yeah,
definitely give us, give us a call. I've been an
investor in gold for a long time. We're joined now
by James Blair, White House Deputy Chief of Staff aka
the Oracle, joining us now. All right, So that's a
(31:44):
pretty cool nickname, uh, And I imagine that doesn't stink
to be the White House chief of Staff. Deputy that
is known as the oracle. So let me ask you
for your predictions, oracle, on how the Big Beautiful Bill
is going to go and what should this audience and
know about it from your perspective.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
Appreciate that going to be with you, guys.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
I think that the Big.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
Beautiful Bill will get out of the House this week.
I think that obviously, if it gets out of the
House this week, then it will go over to the Senate.
They'll work on it for a few weeks, and the
goal is to get it on the President's text by
July fourth, which I think will happen. Look, we've got
to get this done. This bill has so much to love, guys.
(32:29):
First of all, let's talk about the border first and foremost,
which nobody's talking about anymore because the President has driven
illegal border crossings to zero since he came into office.
But this bill funds border enforcement, adds ten thousand new
ICE officers, gives them pay raises, gives us everything we
need logistically to not only keep the border secure for
(32:50):
the president's entire term.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
In office so we don't have to come back and
do this.
Speaker 6 (32:53):
Again, but also to deport people and get millions of
illegal immigrants out of this country, which is thing that
a majority of the American people support. Secondarily, it gives
us the funding we need for our military. You know
that the President is involved in complex negotiations across the
globe to bring peace that's backed up through strength. And
it gives us the funding to modernize our military and
(33:14):
make sure it's the most lethal fighting force in the
world for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
But then the big.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
Thing that it does that everyone's talking about is the
tax cuts. This renews the President's historic tax cut from
twenty seventeen that was the biggest in history, and then
adds more taxes on top everything he campaigned on. No
tax on tips, no tax on Social Security, no tax
on overtime pay.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
It will be the.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
Single largest tax cut for middle and working class Americans
in the history of the country. And it will do
that while still generating more than a trillion dollars right
now one point seven trillion dollars in savings for the
American taxpayer, which is twice as much savings that has
ever been delivered by Congress in the last thirty years,
(33:56):
and that was almost thirty years ago under Bill Clinton.
So we're getting the country's fiscal house in order. We're
giving people money back in their pocket that they earned.
We're deregulating, we're unleashing energy, we're securing the border, were
rebuilding the military. We're doing what President Trump campaigned on,
plain and simple. So there's still some little issues being
worked out with a few guys at the edges, but
(34:17):
in the big picture, I think we're right on track
and I think we'll get everybody there.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
James, appreciate you being with us, and certainly a lot
to be excited about that is in this bill. For
those who are concerned about the debt, who want the
spirit and action of Doze to be enshrined in some
way in this bill, what do you say to them
and what can we point to that deals with getting
(34:43):
that fiscal house in order, not just for this year
but in the longer term.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
Yeah, great question. Well, first of all, it's important to
note that this is by far the biggest savings which
I mentioned a minute ago. But let's put some points
on Back in the back when Bill Clinton was president,
Congress has the package that saved like eight hundred billion
dollars in spending cuts. Okay, this one's looking like one
point six one point seven. Currently they'll still be you know,
(35:10):
iterated on a little bit as it goes through the
Senate and everything, but more than double. Okay, Congress literally
has not done anything like that in over thirty years.
So right there, those are the biggest savings that we've
ever seen. We're doing something called recisions, which is the
stuff that dojes found this bad stuff. We go out
of Congress votes on it, and what's called a recisions
package that's actually separate from this bill, but then it
(35:33):
permanently pulls out that stuff out of the budget. Okay,
there's savings, and then in that and then you know,
what's not counted in this bill, and it's just a
stupid quirk of how legislative scoring works is tariff revenue.
The President is bringing in hundreds of millions of dollars
of tariff revenue right now, and that money's not being spent. Okay,
that money's not being spent in the big beautiful bill
(35:54):
or anything else. That's just money and the treasury that
goes straight to deficit reduction. So some times, you know,
when they call it the Congressional Budget Office, which kind
of puts out the church, they're not being honest because
they don't add in the tariff for revenue and some
of the recisions and the different things that are happening,
so you're not really seeing.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
The full picture.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
But the fact is this is a huge step in
the right direction for getting the country on a better
fiscal footing and we're unlocking growth. You know, there's three
things we have to do really to get to a
balanced budget, which the President hopes to achieve at some
point before he leaves office, but you know, at least
in the foreseeable future, we've got to grow. Okay, We've
got to unleash our economy. We do that through tax cuts.
(36:34):
We do that through deregulation. We do that through getting
government out of the way. We're doing that, right, that's
partly the President, partly Congress partly doge all of those
things combined.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Second, we got to do spending reductions.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
I already told you the historic nature of those spending
reductions that we're doing.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
And then the third.
Speaker 6 (36:51):
Thing is we've just got to deregulate, and we've got
to bring more jobs in. And ultimately, you know, in
twenty seventeen, collected more money in taxes, which improved the
fiscal picture as a result of the tax cuts than
we would have if we didn't have the tax cuts.
That's because more jobs were created, more people were paying taxes,
(37:12):
So we've got to add revenue. The tariffs are doing that.
We've got to cut taxes, we've got to cut regulation,
unlock the economy through growth. We're doing that, and then
we've got to do spending reductions. It's going to take
all three of those things concerted effort over.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
A period of time. But if we just stick through it.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
Here and we are able to do it for four
years instead of two, which means we have to win
the House majority back in the midterms, then we'll be
able to really be on a great.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Sustainable fiscal path. So I think we're on.
Speaker 6 (37:41):
The path, but you know, it's not all going to
be a done in one bill. We're going to have
to do a couple and this is a monumental first step,
way bigger than anyone expected months ago. So we're really
proud of that, and we just got to get it done.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
We're talking to James Blaer, White House Deputy chief of Staff.
You mentioned the border. I also think this is important.
The tax cuts expire, so for people out there who
don't realize this. What happens if the bill doesn't pass.
Speaker 6 (38:08):
Well, if this bill doesn't pass, first of all, economic
forecasters are said, we're going into a recession because taxes
are going to go through the roof. All of these
tax cuts we passed in twenty seventeen will go away
at the end of this year. Okay, So the average
family is going to pay thousands more in taxes if
the bill doesn't pass next year. Businesses are going to
pay thousands more in taxes. We're not going to have
(38:30):
the money to secure our border.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Okay. All of these terrible things are going to happen.
It will be the.
Speaker 6 (38:35):
Largest tax sike in history if this bill doesn't So
that's just not an option.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Right.
Speaker 6 (38:41):
If we don't extend the debt ceiling, the country's going
to default on its debt, which could drive us into
a global depression.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Right.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
This is not our fault. This is Joe Biden's fault.
We're just here cleaning up the mess, and that's what
we have to do. It's not anything anybody wants to do.
It's something that we have to do. The country can't
default on its debt or people would pay the price
in a master I don't think any of us can
even fathom. And then on the border, look, we've got
to ultimately have money to pay for planes and law
(39:08):
enforcement to get people out of the country, and that
money is coming in this bill, and that.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Is such a critical piece.
Speaker 6 (39:15):
Everyone needs to understand that illegal immigrants in this country.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Level that Joe Biden brought.
Speaker 6 (39:21):
In are a huge drain on our system. When you
talk about the spending, I mean hundreds of billions of
dollars being cost by illegal immigrants being in this country
and being on public programs are in place for American citizens.
When we get them out of the country, that's actually
going to lower our spending levels massively without doing a
(39:43):
single thing. One of the changes in the Big Beautiful
Bill will be getting millions of illegal immigrants off of Medicaid. Okay,
they're costing medicaid billions of dollars a year. So these
open borders that we have, we have to not only
have the border secure, but we've got to get these
people out so they stop draining our public resources.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
All of this stuff has.
Speaker 6 (40:01):
To work together to get our country on the right
fiscal path forward.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Appreciate you being with us. Thank you so much for
giving us some of the details on the big beautiful bill.
What can you give us a census to what this
announcement is supposed to be about the Golden Dome.
Speaker 6 (40:21):
I'm going to let the President break that news, but
it's very exciting stuff. Look the President and something he's
talked about for a long time. The President wants to
make make sure the homeland is secure. He wants to
make sure that other countries are deterred from ever thinking
about even remotely thinking about attacking our country.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
So it's all part of.
Speaker 6 (40:39):
His vision of having the most lethal fighting force in
the world. And that is what really gives us the
leverage to sit at the table and demand peace not
only for ourselves and our allies, but everywhere across the
globe and the world has been better off when America
has been strong in the world, and that is part
and parcel having a strong military, part and parcel of
(41:00):
that effort peace through strength.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Thank you so much for the time, Keep up the
good work and we'll talk to you again soon.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Thank you, guys.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
That's James Blair white House, Deputy Chief of Staff. You're
joined now by James Blair white House Deputy Chief of Staff,
aka the Oracle joining us now. All right, So that's
a pretty cool nickname, and I imagine that doesn't sneak
to be the White House Chief of Staff deputy that
(41:30):
is known as the Oracle. So let me ask you
for your predictions, Oracle, on how the Big Beautiful Bill
is going to go and what should this audience know
about it from your perspective.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Appreciate it. Good to be with you, guys. I think
that the.
Speaker 6 (41:48):
Big Beautiful Bill will get out of the House this week.
I think that obviously, if it gets out of the
House this week, then it will go over to the Senate.
They'll work on it for a few weeks, and the
goal is to get it on the President's text by
July fourth, which I think will happen. Look, we've got
to get this done. This bill has so much to love, guys.
(42:09):
First of all, let's talk about the border first and foremost,
which nobody's talking about anymore because the President has driven
illegal border crossings to zero since he came into office.
But this bill funds border enforcement, adds ten thousand new
ice officers, gives them pay raises, gives us everything we
need logistically to not only keep the border secure for
(42:30):
the president's entire term in office so we don't have
to come back and do this again, but also to
deport people and get millions of illegal immigrants out of
this country, which is something that a majority of the
American people support. Secondarily, it gives us the funding we
need for our military. You know that the President is
involved in complex negotiations across the globe to bring peace
(42:50):
that's backed up through strength. And it gives us the
funding to modernize our military and make sure it's the
most lethal fighting force in the world for the foreseeable future.
But then the big thing that that does it everyone's
talking about is the tax cuts. This renews the President's
historic tax cut from twenty seventeen that was the biggest
in history, and then adds more taxes on top everything
he campaigned on. No tax on tips, no tax on
(43:12):
Social Security, no tax on overtime pay. It will be
the single largest tax cut for middle and working class
Americans in the history of the country. And it will
do that while still generating more than a trillion dollars
right now one point seven trillion dollars in savings for
the American taxpayer, which is twice as much savings that
(43:34):
has ever been delivered by Congress in the last thirty years,
and that was almost thirty years ago under Bill Clinton.
So we're getting the country's fiscal house in order. We're
giving people money back in their pocket that they earned.
We're deregulating, we're unleashing energy, We're securing the border, were
rebuilding the military. We're doing what President Trump campaigned on
plane and simple. So there's still some little issues being
(43:55):
worked out with a few guys at the edges, but
in the big picture, I think we're right on track
and I think we'll get everybody there.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
James, appreciate you being with us, and certainly a lot
to be excited about that is in this bill. For
those who are concerned about the debt, who want the
the spirit and action of Doze to be enshrined in
some way in this bill, what do you say to
them and what can we point to that deals with
(44:23):
getting that fiscal house in order, not just for this
year but in the longer term.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Yeah, great question.
Speaker 6 (44:31):
Well, first of all, it's important to note that this
is by far the biggest savings, which I mentioned a
minute ago. But let's put some points on I'm back
in the back when Bill Clinton was president, Congress passed
a package that saved like eight hundred billion dollars in
spending cuts. Okay, this one's looking like one point six
one point seven currently will still be you know, iterated
(44:51):
on a little bit as it goes through the Senate
and everything, but more than double.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (44:55):
Congress literally has not done anything like that in over
thirty years. So right there, those are the biggest savings
that we've ever seen. We're doing something called recisions, which
is the stuff that dojes found this bad stuff. We
go out of Congress votes on it, and what's called
a recisions package that's actually separate from this bill, but
then it permanently.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Pulls out that stuff out of the budget. Okay, they're savings.
Speaker 6 (45:16):
And then in that and then you know what's not
counted in this bill, and it's just a stupid quirk
of how legislative scoring works is tariff revenue. The president
is bringing in hundreds of millions of dollars of tariff
revenue right now, and that money's not being spent. Okay,
that money's not being spent in the big beautiful bill
or anything else that's just money and the treasury that
(45:37):
goes straight to deficit reduction. So sometimes you know when
they call it the Congressional Budget Office, which kind of
puts out the charge they're not being honest because they
don't add in the tariff revenue and some of the
recisions and the different things that are happening, so you're
not really seeing the full picture. But the fact is
this is a huge step in the right direction for
getting the country on a better fiscal footing.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
And we're on growth.
Speaker 6 (46:00):
You know, there's three things we have to do really
to get to a balanced budget, which the President hopes
to achieve at some point before he leaves office, but
you know, at least in the foreseeable future, we've got
to grow. Okay, We've got to unleash our economy. We
do that through tax cuts. We do that through deregulation.
We do that through getting government out of the way.
We're doing that, right, that's partly the President, partly Congress
(46:21):
partly doge all of those things combined.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
Second, we've got to do spending reductions.
Speaker 6 (46:25):
I already told you the historic nature of those spending
reductions that we're doing. And then the third thing is
we've just got to deregulate, and we've got to bring
more jobs in. And ultimately, you know, in twenty seventeen,
we actually collected more money in taxes, which improved the
fiscal picture as a result of the tax cuts than
(46:47):
we would have if we didn't have the tax cuts.
That's because more jobs were created, more people were paying taxes.
So we've got to add revenue. The tariffs are doing that.
We've got to cut taxes, we've got to cut regulations
the economy through growth, we're doing that, and then we've
got to do spending reductions. It's going to take all
three of those things concerted effort over a period of time.
(47:08):
But if we just stick through it here and we
are able to do it for four years instead of two,
which means we have to win the House majority back
in the midterms, then we'll be able to really be
on a great.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
Sustainable fiscal path. So I think we're.
Speaker 6 (47:22):
On the path, but you know, it's not all going
to be a done in one bill. We're going to
have to do a couple and this is a monumental
first step, way bigger.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
Than anyone expected months ago.
Speaker 6 (47:30):
So we're really proud of that and we just got
to get it done.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
We're talking to James Blair, White House Deputy chief of Staff.
You mentioned the border. I also think this is important,
and the tax cuts expire. So for people out there
who don't realize this, what happens if the bill doesn't pass.
Speaker 6 (47:48):
Well, if this bill doesn't pass, first of all, economic
forecasters or said, we're going into a recession because taxes
are going to go through the roof. All of these
tax cuts we passed in twenty seventeen will go away
at the end of this year. Okay, So the average
family is going to pay thousands more in taxes if
the bill doesn't pass next year. Businesses are going to
pay thousands more in taxes. We're not going to have
(48:10):
the money to secure our border.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Okay. All of these terrible things are going to happen.
It will be the largest tax hike in history if
this bill doesn't So that's just not an option. Right.
Speaker 6 (48:21):
If we don't extend the debt ceiling, the country's going
to default on its debt, which could drive us into
a global depression. Right, this is not our fault. This
is Joe Biden's fault. We're just here cleaning up the mess,
and that's what we have to do. It's not anything
anybody wants to do. It's something that we have to do.
The country can't default on its debt or people would
pay the price in a massive way I don't think
(48:41):
any of us can even fathom. And then on the border, look,
we've got to ultimately have money to pay for planes
and law enforcement to get people out of the country,
and that money is coming in this bill, and that
is such a critical piece. Everyone needs to understand that
illegal immigrants in this hunt level that Joe Biden brought
(49:02):
in are a huge drain on our system. When you
talk about the spending, I mean hundreds of billions of
dollars being cost by illegal immigrants being in this country
and being on public programs are in place for American citizens.
When we get them out of the country, that's actually
going to lower our spending levels massively without doing a
(49:23):
single thing. One of the changes in the Big Beautiful
Bill will be getting millions of illegal immigrants off of Medicaid. Okay,
they're costing Medicaid billions of dollars a year. So these
open borders that we have, we have to not only
have the border secure, but We got to get these
people out so they stop draining our public resources. All
of this stuff has to work together to get our
country on the right fiscal path forward.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
Appreciate you being with us. Thank you so much for
giving us some of the details on the big beautiful bill.
What can you give us a census to what this
announcement is supposed to be about the Golden Dome.
Speaker 6 (50:01):
I'm going to let the President break that news, but
it's very exciting stuff. Look, the President and something he's
talked about for a long time. The President wants to
make make sure the homeland is secure. He wants to
make sure that other countries are deterred from ever thinking
about even remotely thinking about attacking our country. So it's
all part of his vision of having the most lethal
(50:22):
fighting force in the world. And that is what really
gives us the leverage to sit at the table and
demand peace, not only for ourselves and our allies, but
everywhere across the globe and the world has been better
off when America has been strong in the world, and
that is part and parcel. Having a strong military is
part and parcel of that effort peace through strength.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
Thank you so much for the time keep up the
good work and we'll talk to you again soon.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
Thank you, guys.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
That's James Blair, White House, Deputy Chief of Staff,
Welcome to today's edition of the C and B twenty
four to seven podcast. Here are your co hosts, Clay
Travis and Buck Sexton. Welcome in Tuesday edition. Clay Travis,
Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with
us as we are rolling through the program. A ton
of different news stories out there, the big beautiful Bill
(00:23):
Trump on Capitol Hill. We will talk with White House
official James Blair at two thirty that is the third
hour eastern of this program to get the absolute latest there.
James Comey went on MSNBC to talk about his Seashells
by the Seashore original sin the book is out. And
(00:44):
then a couple of crazy stories that we may have
some fun with during the course of the program. Robert Griffin, iid, Buck,
you saw this story and you were like this and
this can't be real. Is in a feud with a
guy named Ryan Clark Caitlin Clark and they have had
(01:05):
wife attacks. Now anyway, this is crazy. Also, I don't
know if you saw this. This is not super serious,
but is a little bit crazy. Bill Belichick and his
twenty four year old girlfriend are reportedly engaged. Buck so
true love as Spring flowers bloom may well be a
foot in the great state of North Carolina with Bill
(01:28):
Belichick as the head coach of the tar Heels. Some
ladies like granddad Bob, What can I tell you, seventy
two year old Belichick, twenty four year old Jordan Hudson.
The heart wants what the heart wants, Buck. But we begin,
We begin with the big beautiful bill. Trump is up
on Capitol Hill. Here is my prediction before we go
(01:50):
through all this different audio. The bill's going to pass.
This reminds me a bit of the speaker count votes
every time. Else eventually there is going to be a speaker,
and it reminds me of the debt ceiling. Oh my goodness,
what's going to happen. The government's going to shut down?
Oh oh no, And then the debt ceiling gets resolved.
(02:11):
Nothing ever really changes. It's all posturing and negotiation. So
that is my prediction of where we are, where we
are headed. But let's listen to what Trump said this
morning on Capitol Hill before the meeting.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
He said, this is a big, beautiful bill and we're
going to get it done because it has tremendous tax
cuts cut one well, that's not a question of.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Hold us fare.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
A tremendously unified party. I don't think we've ever had
a party like this. There's some people that want a
couple of things that.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Maybe I don't like or that they're not going to get.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
But I think we're going to have tremendous not in luck.
We have tremendous talent. This man has done an incredible
job of speaking. So I think we're going to I
think we're a very unified party. The Senate's doing great.
John Thune is doing fantastically. He's a great guy. And
we're gonna have a bill, the one big beautiful bill.
I think it's going to be the biggest bill ever passed,
(03:05):
and we got to get it done. Tremendous tax cuts
for people, tremendous incentives, tremendous regulation cuts, so all these
regulations that are so horrible.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Okay, so that was before the meeting. Speaker Johnson after
the meeting, and then I'll play some Trump. Here's Speaker
Johnson after the meeting of what happens if they don't
pass this bill.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
So they love this president of people back home love
what he's doing. It's historic, and everybody understands the scope
and the meaning of this. If we do not accomplish
this mission, every one of you, all the American people,
are gonna have the highest tax increase that you've ever had.
And among the debt stealing clip that's approaching and all
the other problems, this is the bill to do it.
I think we're gonna get dumb as president.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Okay, and then Trump after the meeting, one more cut
five and then Buck, you can weigh in on all
the drama on Capitol. How big it is, how beautiful
it is, so beautiful, I can't stop looking at it.
Trump says it was a meeting of love.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
That was a meeting of love. Let me tell you
that was love in that room.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
There was no shouting there.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
I think it was a meeting of love.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
There were a couple of things that we talked about,
specifically where some people felt a little bit one way
or the other not a big deal, and I covered
them and wasn't so much a speech.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
I covered certain points, and I think it was. I'd
be very surprised.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
No, I didn't tell who told you? I said, I'm
losing inside room. But get somebody ready in question, who's
told you that people inside the room totally.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I never used the term.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
I didn't stay losing.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
I didn't even talk about it. In fact, it's the opposite.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
I think we're getting into that.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I'm not losing patients, we're ahead of schedule. Anybody that
told you that it's a liar.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
I never.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Mentioned that we're losing patients because I'm not losing we're
ahead of such. But why didn't you go back to
your source and tell them they're liars? If the source
even existed?
Speaker 1 (04:56):
All right, so there is Trump getting into it with
a reporter, Capitol Hill buck your take on all this, well,
one thing. I'll get into the substance of the bill
in just a second. I just when I hear Trump
with the reporters, I do think you know you and
I we know Don Junior and Avanka. Could you imagine
Trumps your dad like trying to tell him why you
broke curfew or something like excuse me, excuse like just
(05:18):
he's very tough to argumber. Remember when we had Junior
on at the RNC, if I remember correctly, and he
had gotten permission to have a few people over and
just got home and there were, like he said, one
hundred people at the house and he was just like,
all of them have to be gone. Can you imagine
being at that party of the high school kid. Trump
(05:40):
walks in and he's like, you're all gone, Like he's
not the dad, He's not the dad that you wanted
to be rolling kegs in when he wasn't looking. I've
just thrown that out there, Like I can tell you know,
I met him when I was thirteen or fourteen for
the first time, and uh yeah, he was. Nobody was
messing with him then and nobody's messing with him now. Okay,
the big beautiful bill, it's huge, it's beautiful's get into it.
(06:00):
The biggest thing in this Clay and you know I
spoke to and you can check it out. It's on
the Clay and Buck podcast network. In the Buck Brief,
I spoke to the head of the National Economic Council
and I just said, my friend, you are respectfully he's
a PhD from Harvard in economics, and I said, you
are an econ guy. I didn't want to say nerd,
(06:21):
but I mean, I think econ Nerd would be respectfully
said here, I said, take me through the whole thing.
And so we just sat there and I went through it.
I'll give you some of the highlights of it, and
what is in this that really matters to people and
why Trump is so excited about it. The first thing
is it's one of those if you don't do it,
really bad things are going to happen, meaning the tax
raises that would kick in, because the twenty seventeen Trump
(06:46):
tax cuts are made permanent here, so I know it's confusing,
but if the stuff, if you don't do this, they
would expire and you would go back to much higher
tax rates. So that would be a shock to the
system in a bad way. Right, that's one part of it.
You're extending tax cuts. You're extending tax cuts really across
a whole range, whether it's for businesses, for individual filers,
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and the average American family on an annual basis. And
again this is from the Chairman of the National Economic Council,
and I said, let's nerd out, buddy. Let's go. It's
something like seven to twelve thousand dollars of additional money
in the bank for you at the end of the
year for the average American household. Okay, that's not I
(07:33):
think that's such an important because of say it's for
the rich. It's for the billionaires. The Democrats, who rely
on their plurality of billionaires to fund their party, are
always so upset about billionaires. Right, This has nothing to
do with the billionaires. This is about the average American household.
And you're gonna have think about that. If someone told you, hey,
you're gonna have an extra ten grand next year at
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the end of the year, you'd say, wow, that's that's great. Well,
that's what this does for the average household. So I
think that's really it's Also there's the salt deduction component
of this, so there's the cap for this is going
to be changed. They're going to deduct more of the
regional taxes from the federal tax bill. That's actually good
(08:16):
for blue states. And I think that's probably for some
blue state Republicans or purple state Republicans something they're happy
to see. The big one. Clay and I said, Wow,
they're actually doing this no tax on tips. That that
is a real thing. Remember that was so popular and
cool when Trump said it on the campaign trail that
(08:36):
Kamala for whatever campaign she was running, she was like, yeah,
I think we should have no tax. She just blatantly
copied it. It was totally lifted it. Yeah, totally lifted it.
She was plagiarizing Trump. One thing that I'm going to
say people on the right are annoyed about is the
green energy tax credits part of this. The bill's initial
(08:57):
tax eliminates tax credits for electric vehicles within two years,
phases out credits for low carbon electricity, including wind and solar.
New requirements on these credits, but doesn't totally zero. And
there are people that are I'm just gonna tell you
what's getting criticized. They're criticizing this for not getting like
there should be the whole Green New Deal scam. Stuff
should all be completely root and branch taken out. Some
(09:20):
Republicans are saying, okay, we had Ron Johnson on yesterday
talk a bit about this. They tighten up snap Benefits,
which is food stamps. I guess we don't like to
call it food stamps anymore. They're tightening that up so
they think there'll be some savings. They're limiting funding for
the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which had been Elizabeth Warren's
little fiefdom that didn't actually help consumers but was a
(09:42):
good way to harass disfavored businesses by Democrats, increases the
debt limit for trillion dollars, and then some substantial funding
boost for Pentagon priorities and deportation. So Clay, I think
those are the big top lines of where where this
thing is, where this thing stands, And the biggest critic
(10:03):
is it's over a thousand pages, eleven hundred pages. Just
remember that when somebody's like, i've read the bill, you
have really yeah you know, yeah, uh, they've read the
section of the bill that their lobbyists one and included.
I'm sure, but this is on eleven hundred pages. And
the part of it that I think people on the right,
(10:23):
conservatives are a little frustrated on is just that it's
extending the debts, sealing four trillion dollars and doesn't really
have the big meaty cuts that from dose you would
have liked to see. That's the part of it. That's
but if you're talking about if you're talking about juicing
the economy, I mean, this thing I think is going
to be rocket fuel for the economy. So that's why
Trump's so excited about it. Look, it's it's not a
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perfect bill, and the big issue, which if you're around
our age, meaning if you're forties or younger, that you're
going to have to deal with over the next two
generations is the national debts out of control. And the
only real way We've told you this before, the only
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real way to fix the national debt is to address
social security and Medicare. And if you look, I believe
social Security, Medicare, defense, and the interest. I believe that's
eighty six percent of the entire federal budget. I think
that's the number. So even if you eliminated every other
(11:29):
part of the federal government, eighty six percent of it
would still exist just based on those four things. And unfortunately,
as our debt grows, the percentage of interest that we
have to pay on that debt grows massively such that
we now pay more typically unfortunately now for the debt
(11:49):
than we do national defense. And there is an argument
that if you look at history, as soon as the
debt expenditures exceed the defense eres your country, your civilization
has begun a decline. So wah first segment on Tuesday,
(12:11):
No one in the Democrat Party, no one in the
Republican Party, really wants to address social security and Medicare,
and until those issues are addressed, then there is virtually
no opportunity to balance a budget. That's the reality. Now.
I agree with Ron Johnson when he says, like, hey,
(12:33):
we should be going back to pre COVID baseline expenditures.
That's way better. That's the better solution here in my mind,
because we basically have embedded the cost of a growing
government from COVID and we're continuing. And by the way,
when you have twenty one percent inflation, your expenses are
going to go up substantially just to keep pace with
(12:55):
the cost of goods. But this is the reality in
which we live. There's also on the good side of things.
So I can give you the quick negative overview, not
of the bill, but just of the US fiscal trajectory is, uh,
we are not stopping this train at all, really, and
the next I think four years on the train are
(13:17):
gonna be awesome. So there's that, right, I think. I
think the Trump administration, you're gonna see everyone's gonna be
doing great, and that's fantastic, and you know, that's nothing
to sneeze at. But the other side of it is,
we haven't we haven't suffered enough as a country from
the overspending. When we've suffered enough, people will want to
do something about it, and we this is I almost
(13:38):
think it's a waste of time to get into beyond
that right now, Clay, because every time we could say
we're spending too much money, look at the math, you
can just line up. We'll just get calls all day
from everyone saying you absolutely cannot touch my medicare. Okay,
that's where we are, and that's what Trump is said.
You can't trust if you can't touch Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid. Basically,
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there's nothing to talk about people. So we haven't suffered
enough as a country from the fiscal profligacy, and that
means that we just got to keep going and keep
on hoping that we grow and grow and grow this economy.
We got hundreds of billions coming in from the tariffs,
by the way, which you're hearing. You're not getting a
lot of conversation about that right now in the media
because the tariffs are going to bring in additional revenue
(14:22):
to the government. Remember, we used to fund until the
twentieth century, we funded this country's government on tariffs overwhelmingly.
I mean, that was that was the primary source so
it is a thing. But yeah, hopefully we can grow
grow the economy much faster and find, you know, greater
efficiencies that we'll be able to kind of keep riding
(14:44):
this thing out. But yeah, I'm with you, it's not
even worth the debt bomb. The debt bomb is ticking,
nobody wants to fix it, so why whine about it.
Trump is doing the best thing he can do for
the economy this year, and hopefully that means we lead
into better things than the years after it. But yeah,
that's kind of where I am on this. It's also
like having the debt ceiling fight. No, it's not even
fun to talk about it anymore because they're just going
(15:05):
to raise the debt ceiling if I'm wrong, let me know,
trying to stir the pot a little bit. Eight hundred
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all across this great land. It was quite a post
on X from Aleena Haba, the interim US Attorney for
New Jersey. She wrote on her X account that Congresswoman
(16:36):
Lamonica mick Iver had been charged for assaulting, impeding, and
interfering with law enforcement when she visited the detention center
a couple other members of Congress back on the ninth
of May in New Jersey, and then put out a
statement from her office Clay, no one is above the law,
(16:59):
politics or otherwise. It is the job of this office
to uphold justice, impartially regardless of who you are. Now
we will let the justice system work. She had sought
a resolution without bringing criminal charges, according to The New
York Times, but miss McIver declined. She says, now, this
(17:21):
is Congresswoman mick Iver, that the ICE agents created an
unnecessary and unsafe confrontation. These charges are entirely political. Of
course we knew she was going to say that. But
you can see body camera footage released by the Department
of Homeland Security shows Representative McIver getting into it, Clay
(17:48):
tussling with members of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. One might
even say Clay obstructing, perhaps obstructing an official proceed or
official law enforcement activity, something that all the cops listing know. Yeah,
if they're trying to make an arrest and you're like, no,
(18:08):
that's my buddy, and you hip check the cops so
that he can't actually put the cuffs on. You're going
away too, That's not okay. Now there's a lot. There's
a lot going on here, Clay. Right, there's the law
and there's the law and order angle of this. The
no one is above the law, which Democrats certainly are
familiar with as a phrase because they used to say
(18:29):
it with such frequency to justify their absurd prosecutions. Four
of them one year never been convicted or charged with
the crime in his entire life, almost eighty years. Trump
goes without ever committing a crime, and then four in
one year that also happened to be the same year
he's running for reelection to be president. Gee, what a coincidence,
(18:49):
Almost like finding out Biden's cancer after the election that
they had to know about before. Quite a coincidence. But uh,
for me, this is they created this environment and I'm
happy having we can talk without the immigration piece of
this too, Clay, Like, really, they're they're willing to throw
their physically throw their bodies in front of ice agents
(19:10):
to stop deportations from happening. Members of Congress, people that
write the laws or at least pretend to write the laws.
But the law is the law. No one is above it.
Democrats made us all believe, or rather made us all
hear from them that they believe this, and now they
have to live with it. And I don't think they're
going to like the consequences because the Trump administration has decided,
(19:33):
you know what, we'll take you up on that your
terms are acceptable. Democrats. I think this was and is
and this will not surprise you, buck. But what Monica
mc ivor, the arrested congresswoman, texted, no one is I
mean tweeted, no one is above the law after Trump
(19:54):
was arrested. So you know this talking point that they
all had of no is above the law. Clearly they
thought they were above the law. But it's not a
good position to be in when you are arrested to
have on the record called your political adversaries out as
(20:14):
being as no one as being above the law. Now
do I think that this is some massively violent behavior
that she engaged in. No, But I do think that
there are countless people who were involved in January sixth
that engaged in less than what she did on that day,
(20:38):
that were charged with crimes that were hunted down by
the FBI that had to plead guilty to minor misdemeanors
and received massive punishment as a result. So, if you
put it in that context, what is good for the
goose is good for the gander, Which is probably a
phrase that I've never used before in the history of radio,
(20:58):
but seems apropos here. And I think what it represents
is there have been a lot of you, and I
am among them, and Buck is among them that said
the only real way we can end lawfair in this
country one Trump winning, I think showed Democrats that their
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idea of putting him in prison for the rest of
his life and bankrupting him and trying to use the
full apparatus of the Department of Justice against him as
well as other state governments in Georgia and New York,
was not a way that was going to be politically
beneficial to them, and I think the results of the
(21:39):
twenty twenty four election were wildly important for that reason.
But the second part of this is they have to
feel the danger themselves of law fair redounding at them
as the paying the consequences here, And I'm curious how
aggressively the Democrat party will come out and defend her
(22:00):
because I will say this Buck remember the judge in
Milwaukee that they were saying, oh, like, this is an
unprecedented act, and then people looked into it, and then
a grand jury in Milwaukee indicted her. That story's kind
of vanished. They tried to make a lot of hay
of that. I don't think that the average person, because
it's on video, is going to watch this and say, hey,
(22:21):
you know what, this woman seems like she's being treated unfairly.
You know who's not going to all of a sudden
cry big tears for the situation. Tom Holman, I think
we could just call it. I think if he had
a nickname, like if this was Professor Wrestling, it would
be the Enforcer, because I think he is the enforcer
of immigration law. Here he is saying that she broke
(22:44):
the law, thiss has cut ten and she's going to
be held to account.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
You can push back into President Trump's immigration agenda whatever.
You can protest, but you cannot cross that line. You
can't annoyingly and impede a law enforced and offical ice officer.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
It's a crime.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
You can't annoyingly concealing harbor and aimlypromise you cannot, you know,
commit criminal trespass our facilities and the danger our employees,
and you certainly can't put hands on an ICE agent.
So you know, she's she's going to have to pay
the consequences for doing what she did.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
She broke the law, and we're going hold it accountable.
This is where we have to be reminded that the Democrats,
despite whatever they may say as a party publicly, and
I think even that you could argue has trended in
this direction, but they really don't believe that illegal immigration
is a crime. They don't believe that it's illegal, and
(23:39):
so to them, anyone who's being held in a detention
facility for immigration related issues is essentially a political prisoner,
and therefore whatever they have to do in order to
bring attention to or even impede what's going on is
morally justified. They and this is what what more and
(24:00):
more Americans figure this out, we have greater clarity on
this issue, and we can handle this better. The Democrats
do not believe that anyone should be punished for being
in the country illegally, and I mean anyone. They fundamentally
do not believe that if someone is here, it doesn't
matter if they're a mass murderer on behalf of MS thirteen,
doesn't matter those crimes. Sometimes Democrats will agree this are bad,
(24:23):
like the killing of all the people. Okay, they'll say
that's bad. Fine, But the crime of status in the
country is not a crime. To them. They do not
believe that there is any infraction worthy of punishment that
comes from breaking immigration laws. And that is why you
have members of Congress who will throw their bodies in
(24:44):
the way and scream about this, and you know, all
this mayhem that they will cause around it. It's because fundamentally,
once you understand their view of it. Yeah, of course,
like if you and I were sitting here, we're talking
about people who are being locked up for absolutely no
reason whatsoever in our minds, as we'd say, well, that's
a huge problem. We've got to address this. That's what
they think about illegals. Yeah, and look, I think the
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ultimate question here is why Democrats are still floundering to
such an extent. They're getting arrested to fight for the
rights of illegal immigrants. They're getting on airplanes to fly
to El Salvador to advocate for wife beating human trafficking
gang members who should never have been in this country.
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And I think a lot of regular, everyday Americans are
asking the question, why are Democrats willing to fight so
hard for people who are not citizens of this country
to continue to be able to illegally break the law here?
And I also think that a lot of people are
saying that this is indicative of them picking issues that
(25:50):
the average American does not agree with. And the only
reason this makes sense, the only reason this makes sense
is they have a plan to one day make all
of these people citizens of the United States and they
believe it will benefit them that I mean, is there
any other explanation that remotely makes sense for their behavior
(26:13):
right now? And let me just point this out. This
is a black congresswoman from New Jersey, right, this is
where Lamonica mc iver is from. Do you think the
average black constituent, because I bet her district is a
majority black district, that would be my guest. Team. You
can look that up and I'll correct it. If Lamonica
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mc iver has been representing a largely white area of
the country, I tend to think that's probably unlikely. Do
you think black constituents of Lamonica mc iver feel as
if they are being strongly represented by their congresswoman when
she is being arrested outside of an ice detention center.
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Is that advocating for their best interest? I think there
are a lot of black residents. We saw this happen,
certainly with more black residents in inner city starting to
vote Trump. We saw this New York City. We saw
it in many parts of the country, of New York
City in particular. But buck, remember all the Chicago Inner
City residents who were saying, wait a minute, you're taking
over our gyms, our sports bills that our kids are
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supposed to be able to play on, to give benefits
to illegal filling their kids classrooms with correct kids who
have a tremendous amount of trauma from the journey, often
and speak no English, by the way, overwhelmingly, Look, we
have a limited amount of resources that we have to
provide support for underprivileged American citizens. And if your community
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is feeling like it's underserved, are you looking over your
shoulder saying, Hey, these people who've only been here for
a couple of months. My families have been here for generations,
for decades, and we're struggling to stay ahead. And you're
going to give resources to all these illegal immigrants. I mean,
just honestly, I can't imagine that congress Woman La Monica
(28:03):
mc ivor that her average constituent says, Hey, this is
what I want you out fighting for. This is why
we sent you to Washington, d C. And US hard here.
The Marxists left in this country. I mean, I repeat myself, right,
but the the the hard left, the true left in
America has replaced uh, the you know, the modern Marxists
(28:28):
have replaced class solidarity with race solidarity, and so the uh,
the street disruptors, community organizers, social justice brigades, if you will,
they they now view issues. Remember we talked about this
even in the contact of Israel Palestine, like what why
why will you have black members of Congress who are
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over you know, generally speaking, overwhelmingly pro Palestinian. I mean,
you know, make a case if you have solidarity with
people who have suffered persecution. The Jews have suffered more
than their share of persecution historically. But why do black
American congressmen identify with Palestinians Because Palestinians are considered brown,
even though there are Palestinians and I've met them. Because
(29:10):
I've been to the West Bank, et cetera, as has
Clay now who have red or blonde hair and blue eyes.
That's a whole other thing, okay, And you know, are
very very much you would think whier Caucasians. But put
that aside. They think Palestinians are brown. Therefore, black members
of Congress have a Marxist solidarity, but it's based on
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race with the Palestinians. Same thing with the illegal immigrants.
At some level, what you're pointing out is what you
would think Black Democrat members of Congress would focus on
first and foremost, which is if they are and a
lot of them are in a predominantly African American Black
American district. Are illegal immigrants generally making the daily lives
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of Black Americans better in their neighborhoods, in their schools.
Are they helping the resource allocation that those communities get
or are they a competition for that? And of course
we know the answer to this. But for the Cameras,
racial solidarity with the non white illegal immigrants is where
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the left, the Marxists, the social justice construct in this
country goes. Here's the breakdown, by the way, forty eight
and a half percent black district twenty one point four
percent Hispanic, eighteen point eight percent white. So just shy
of a majority black district, but a massive, substantial overall
(30:38):
number of the population is black, and it is a
overwhelming Democrat district by she won in the last congressional
race based on what I'm looking to here, eighty one
point four percent of the vote to fifteen point six
percent to the Republican representative. So I mean again, we're
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talking about, in my opinion, someone who is not representing
remotely the majority of the citizens of her district, and
I would think that would not be favorably received. Maybe
some of you are out there listening to us right
now in that New Jersey ten congressional district and want
two weigh in on whether you think she is representing
(31:22):
you well. Eight hundred two A two two eight a two. Yeah,
definitely give us, give us a call. I've been an
investor in gold for a long time. We're joined now
by James Blair, White House Deputy Chief of Staff aka
the Oracle, joining us now. All right, So that's a
(31:44):
pretty cool nickname, uh, And I imagine that doesn't stink
to be the White House chief of Staff. Deputy that
is known as the oracle. So let me ask you
for your predictions, oracle, on how the Big Beautiful Bill
is going to go and what should this audience and
know about it from your perspective.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
Appreciate that going to be with you, guys.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
I think that the Big.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
Beautiful Bill will get out of the House this week.
I think that obviously, if it gets out of the
House this week, then it will go over to the Senate.
They'll work on it for a few weeks, and the
goal is to get it on the President's text by
July fourth, which I think will happen. Look, we've got
to get this done. This bill has so much to love, guys.
(32:29):
First of all, let's talk about the border first and foremost,
which nobody's talking about anymore because the President has driven
illegal border crossings to zero since he came into office.
But this bill funds border enforcement, adds ten thousand new
ICE officers, gives them pay raises, gives us everything we
need logistically to not only keep the border secure for
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the president's entire term.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
In office so we don't have to come back and
do this.
Speaker 6 (32:53):
Again, but also to deport people and get millions of
illegal immigrants out of this country, which is thing that
a majority of the American people support. Secondarily, it gives
us the funding we need for our military. You know
that the President is involved in complex negotiations across the
globe to bring peace that's backed up through strength. And
it gives us the funding to modernize our military and
(33:14):
make sure it's the most lethal fighting force in the
world for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
But then the big.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
Thing that it does that everyone's talking about is the
tax cuts. This renews the President's historic tax cut from
twenty seventeen that was the biggest in history, and then
adds more taxes on top everything he campaigned on. No
tax on tips, no tax on Social Security, no tax
on overtime pay.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
It will be the.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
Single largest tax cut for middle and working class Americans
in the history of the country. And it will do
that while still generating more than a trillion dollars right
now one point seven trillion dollars in savings for the
American taxpayer, which is twice as much savings that has
ever been delivered by Congress in the last thirty years,
(33:56):
and that was almost thirty years ago under Bill Clinton.
So we're getting the country's fiscal house in order. We're
giving people money back in their pocket that they earned.
We're deregulating, we're unleashing energy, we're securing the border, were
rebuilding the military. We're doing what President Trump campaigned on,
plain and simple. So there's still some little issues being
worked out with a few guys at the edges, but
(34:17):
in the big picture, I think we're right on track
and I think we'll get everybody there.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
James, appreciate you being with us, and certainly a lot
to be excited about that is in this bill. For
those who are concerned about the debt, who want the
spirit and action of Doze to be enshrined in some
way in this bill, what do you say to them
and what can we point to that deals with getting
(34:43):
that fiscal house in order, not just for this year
but in the longer term.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
Yeah, great question. Well, first of all, it's important to
note that this is by far the biggest savings which
I mentioned a minute ago. But let's put some points
on Back in the back when Bill Clinton was president,
Congress has the package that saved like eight hundred billion
dollars in spending cuts. Okay, this one's looking like one
point six one point seven. Currently they'll still be you know,
(35:10):
iterated on a little bit as it goes through the
Senate and everything, but more than double. Okay, Congress literally
has not done anything like that in over thirty years.
So right there, those are the biggest savings that we've
ever seen. We're doing something called recisions, which is the
stuff that dojes found this bad stuff. We go out
of Congress votes on it, and what's called a recisions
package that's actually separate from this bill, but then it
(35:33):
permanently pulls out that stuff out of the budget. Okay,
there's savings, and then in that and then you know,
what's not counted in this bill, and it's just a
stupid quirk of how legislative scoring works is tariff revenue.
The President is bringing in hundreds of millions of dollars
of tariff revenue right now, and that money's not being spent. Okay,
that money's not being spent in the big beautiful bill
(35:54):
or anything else. That's just money and the treasury that
goes straight to deficit reduction. So some times, you know,
when they call it the Congressional Budget Office, which kind
of puts out the church, they're not being honest because
they don't add in the tariff for revenue and some
of the recisions and the different things that are happening,
so you're not really seeing.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
The full picture.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
But the fact is this is a huge step in
the right direction for getting the country on a better
fiscal footing and we're unlocking growth. You know, there's three
things we have to do really to get to a
balanced budget, which the President hopes to achieve at some
point before he leaves office, but you know, at least
in the foreseeable future, we've got to grow. Okay, We've
got to unleash our economy. We do that through tax cuts.
(36:34):
We do that through deregulation. We do that through getting
government out of the way. We're doing that, right, that's
partly the President, partly Congress partly doge all of those
things combined.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Second, we got to do spending reductions.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
I already told you the historic nature of those spending
reductions that we're doing.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
And then the third.
Speaker 6 (36:51):
Thing is we've just got to deregulate, and we've got
to bring more jobs in. And ultimately, you know, in
twenty seventeen, collected more money in taxes, which improved the
fiscal picture as a result of the tax cuts than
we would have if we didn't have the tax cuts.
That's because more jobs were created, more people were paying taxes,
(37:12):
So we've got to add revenue. The tariffs are doing that.
We've got to cut taxes, we've got to cut regulation,
unlock the economy through growth. We're doing that, and then
we've got to do spending reductions. It's going to take
all three of those things concerted effort over.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
A period of time. But if we just stick through it.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
Here and we are able to do it for four
years instead of two, which means we have to win
the House majority back in the midterms, then we'll be
able to really be on a great.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Sustainable fiscal path. So I think we're on.
Speaker 6 (37:41):
The path, but you know, it's not all going to
be a done in one bill. We're going to have
to do a couple and this is a monumental first step,
way bigger than anyone expected months ago. So we're really
proud of that, and we just got to get it done.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
We're talking to James Blaer, White House Deputy chief of Staff.
You mentioned the border. I also think this is important.
The tax cuts expire, so for people out there who
don't realize this. What happens if the bill doesn't pass.
Speaker 6 (38:08):
Well, if this bill doesn't pass, first of all, economic
forecasters are said, we're going into a recession because taxes
are going to go through the roof. All of these
tax cuts we passed in twenty seventeen will go away
at the end of this year. Okay, So the average
family is going to pay thousands more in taxes if
the bill doesn't pass next year. Businesses are going to
pay thousands more in taxes. We're not going to have
(38:30):
the money to secure our border.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Okay. All of these terrible things are going to happen.
It will be the.
Speaker 6 (38:35):
Largest tax sike in history if this bill doesn't So
that's just not an option.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Right.
Speaker 6 (38:41):
If we don't extend the debt ceiling, the country's going
to default on its debt, which could drive us into
a global depression.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Right.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
This is not our fault. This is Joe Biden's fault.
We're just here cleaning up the mess, and that's what
we have to do. It's not anything anybody wants to do.
It's something that we have to do. The country can't
default on its debt or people would pay the price
in a master I don't think any of us can
even fathom. And then on the border, look, we've got
to ultimately have money to pay for planes and law
(39:08):
enforcement to get people out of the country, and that
money is coming in this bill, and that.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Is such a critical piece.
Speaker 6 (39:15):
Everyone needs to understand that illegal immigrants in this country.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Level that Joe Biden brought.
Speaker 6 (39:21):
In are a huge drain on our system. When you
talk about the spending, I mean hundreds of billions of
dollars being cost by illegal immigrants being in this country
and being on public programs are in place for American citizens.
When we get them out of the country, that's actually
going to lower our spending levels massively without doing a
(39:43):
single thing. One of the changes in the Big Beautiful
Bill will be getting millions of illegal immigrants off of Medicaid. Okay,
they're costing medicaid billions of dollars a year. So these
open borders that we have, we have to not only
have the border secure, but we've got to get these
people out so they stop draining our public resources.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
All of this stuff has.
Speaker 6 (40:01):
To work together to get our country on the right
fiscal path forward.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Appreciate you being with us. Thank you so much for
giving us some of the details on the big beautiful bill.
What can you give us a census to what this
announcement is supposed to be about the Golden Dome.
Speaker 6 (40:21):
I'm going to let the President break that news, but
it's very exciting stuff. Look the President and something he's
talked about for a long time. The President wants to
make make sure the homeland is secure. He wants to
make sure that other countries are deterred from ever thinking
about even remotely thinking about attacking our country.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
So it's all part of.
Speaker 6 (40:39):
His vision of having the most lethal fighting force in
the world. And that is what really gives us the
leverage to sit at the table and demand peace not
only for ourselves and our allies, but everywhere across the
globe and the world has been better off when America
has been strong in the world, and that is part
and parcel having a strong military, part and parcel of
(41:00):
that effort peace through strength.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Thank you so much for the time, Keep up the
good work and we'll talk to you again soon.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Thank you, guys.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
That's James Blair white House, Deputy Chief of Staff. You're
joined now by James Blair white House Deputy Chief of Staff,
aka the Oracle joining us now. All right, So that's
a pretty cool nickname, and I imagine that doesn't sneak
to be the White House Chief of Staff deputy that
(41:30):
is known as the Oracle. So let me ask you
for your predictions, Oracle, on how the Big Beautiful Bill
is going to go and what should this audience know
about it from your perspective.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Appreciate it. Good to be with you, guys. I think
that the.
Speaker 6 (41:48):
Big Beautiful Bill will get out of the House this week.
I think that obviously, if it gets out of the
House this week, then it will go over to the Senate.
They'll work on it for a few weeks, and the
goal is to get it on the President's text by
July fourth, which I think will happen. Look, we've got
to get this done. This bill has so much to love, guys.
(42:09):
First of all, let's talk about the border first and foremost,
which nobody's talking about anymore because the President has driven
illegal border crossings to zero since he came into office.
But this bill funds border enforcement, adds ten thousand new
ice officers, gives them pay raises, gives us everything we
need logistically to not only keep the border secure for
(42:30):
the president's entire term in office so we don't have
to come back and do this again, but also to
deport people and get millions of illegal immigrants out of
this country, which is something that a majority of the
American people support. Secondarily, it gives us the funding we
need for our military. You know that the President is
involved in complex negotiations across the globe to bring peace
(42:50):
that's backed up through strength. And it gives us the
funding to modernize our military and make sure it's the
most lethal fighting force in the world for the foreseeable future.
But then the big thing that that does it everyone's
talking about is the tax cuts. This renews the President's
historic tax cut from twenty seventeen that was the biggest
in history, and then adds more taxes on top everything
he campaigned on. No tax on tips, no tax on
(43:12):
Social Security, no tax on overtime pay. It will be
the single largest tax cut for middle and working class
Americans in the history of the country. And it will
do that while still generating more than a trillion dollars
right now one point seven trillion dollars in savings for
the American taxpayer, which is twice as much savings that
(43:34):
has ever been delivered by Congress in the last thirty years,
and that was almost thirty years ago under Bill Clinton.
So we're getting the country's fiscal house in order. We're
giving people money back in their pocket that they earned.
We're deregulating, we're unleashing energy, We're securing the border, were
rebuilding the military. We're doing what President Trump campaigned on
plane and simple. So there's still some little issues being
(43:55):
worked out with a few guys at the edges, but
in the big picture, I think we're right on track
and I think we'll get everybody there.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
James, appreciate you being with us, and certainly a lot
to be excited about that is in this bill. For
those who are concerned about the debt, who want the
the spirit and action of Doze to be enshrined in
some way in this bill, what do you say to
them and what can we point to that deals with
(44:23):
getting that fiscal house in order, not just for this
year but in the longer term.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Yeah, great question.
Speaker 6 (44:31):
Well, first of all, it's important to note that this
is by far the biggest savings, which I mentioned a
minute ago. But let's put some points on I'm back
in the back when Bill Clinton was president, Congress passed
a package that saved like eight hundred billion dollars in
spending cuts. Okay, this one's looking like one point six
one point seven currently will still be you know, iterated
(44:51):
on a little bit as it goes through the Senate
and everything, but more than double.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (44:55):
Congress literally has not done anything like that in over
thirty years. So right there, those are the biggest savings
that we've ever seen. We're doing something called recisions, which
is the stuff that dojes found this bad stuff. We
go out of Congress votes on it, and what's called
a recisions package that's actually separate from this bill, but
then it permanently.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Pulls out that stuff out of the budget. Okay, they're savings.
Speaker 6 (45:16):
And then in that and then you know what's not
counted in this bill, and it's just a stupid quirk
of how legislative scoring works is tariff revenue. The president
is bringing in hundreds of millions of dollars of tariff
revenue right now, and that money's not being spent. Okay,
that money's not being spent in the big beautiful bill
or anything else that's just money and the treasury that
(45:37):
goes straight to deficit reduction. So sometimes you know when
they call it the Congressional Budget Office, which kind of
puts out the charge they're not being honest because they
don't add in the tariff revenue and some of the
recisions and the different things that are happening, so you're
not really seeing the full picture. But the fact is
this is a huge step in the right direction for
getting the country on a better fiscal footing.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
And we're on growth.
Speaker 6 (46:00):
You know, there's three things we have to do really
to get to a balanced budget, which the President hopes
to achieve at some point before he leaves office, but
you know, at least in the foreseeable future, we've got
to grow. Okay, We've got to unleash our economy. We
do that through tax cuts. We do that through deregulation.
We do that through getting government out of the way.
We're doing that, right, that's partly the President, partly Congress
(46:21):
partly doge all of those things combined.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
Second, we've got to do spending reductions.
Speaker 6 (46:25):
I already told you the historic nature of those spending
reductions that we're doing. And then the third thing is
we've just got to deregulate, and we've got to bring
more jobs in. And ultimately, you know, in twenty seventeen,
we actually collected more money in taxes, which improved the
fiscal picture as a result of the tax cuts than
(46:47):
we would have if we didn't have the tax cuts.
That's because more jobs were created, more people were paying taxes.
So we've got to add revenue. The tariffs are doing that.
We've got to cut taxes, we've got to cut regulations
the economy through growth, we're doing that, and then we've
got to do spending reductions. It's going to take all
three of those things concerted effort over a period of time.
(47:08):
But if we just stick through it here and we
are able to do it for four years instead of two,
which means we have to win the House majority back
in the midterms, then we'll be able to really be
on a great.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
Sustainable fiscal path. So I think we're.
Speaker 6 (47:22):
On the path, but you know, it's not all going
to be a done in one bill. We're going to
have to do a couple and this is a monumental
first step, way bigger.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
Than anyone expected months ago.
Speaker 6 (47:30):
So we're really proud of that and we just got
to get it done.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
We're talking to James Blair, White House Deputy chief of Staff.
You mentioned the border. I also think this is important,
and the tax cuts expire. So for people out there
who don't realize this, what happens if the bill doesn't pass.
Speaker 6 (47:48):
Well, if this bill doesn't pass, first of all, economic
forecasters or said, we're going into a recession because taxes
are going to go through the roof. All of these
tax cuts we passed in twenty seventeen will go away
at the end of this year. Okay, So the average
family is going to pay thousands more in taxes if
the bill doesn't pass next year. Businesses are going to
pay thousands more in taxes. We're not going to have
(48:10):
the money to secure our border.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Okay. All of these terrible things are going to happen.
It will be the largest tax hike in history if
this bill doesn't So that's just not an option. Right.
Speaker 6 (48:21):
If we don't extend the debt ceiling, the country's going
to default on its debt, which could drive us into
a global depression. Right, this is not our fault. This
is Joe Biden's fault. We're just here cleaning up the mess,
and that's what we have to do. It's not anything
anybody wants to do. It's something that we have to do.
The country can't default on its debt or people would
pay the price in a massive way I don't think
(48:41):
any of us can even fathom. And then on the border, look,
we've got to ultimately have money to pay for planes
and law enforcement to get people out of the country,
and that money is coming in this bill, and that
is such a critical piece. Everyone needs to understand that
illegal immigrants in this hunt level that Joe Biden brought
(49:02):
in are a huge drain on our system. When you
talk about the spending, I mean hundreds of billions of
dollars being cost by illegal immigrants being in this country
and being on public programs are in place for American citizens.
When we get them out of the country, that's actually
going to lower our spending levels massively without doing a
(49:23):
single thing. One of the changes in the Big Beautiful
Bill will be getting millions of illegal immigrants off of Medicaid. Okay,
they're costing Medicaid billions of dollars a year. So these
open borders that we have, we have to not only
have the border secure, but We got to get these
people out so they stop draining our public resources. All
of this stuff has to work together to get our
country on the right fiscal path forward.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
Appreciate you being with us. Thank you so much for
giving us some of the details on the big beautiful bill.
What can you give us a census to what this
announcement is supposed to be about the Golden Dome.
Speaker 6 (50:01):
I'm going to let the President break that news, but
it's very exciting stuff. Look, the President and something he's
talked about for a long time. The President wants to
make make sure the homeland is secure. He wants to
make sure that other countries are deterred from ever thinking
about even remotely thinking about attacking our country. So it's
all part of his vision of having the most lethal
(50:22):
fighting force in the world. And that is what really
gives us the leverage to sit at the table and
demand peace, not only for ourselves and our allies, but
everywhere across the globe and the world has been better
off when America has been strong in the world, and
that is part and parcel. Having a strong military is
part and parcel of that effort peace through strength.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
Thank you so much for the time keep up the
good work and we'll talk to you again soon.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
Thank you, guys.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
That's James Blair, White House, Deputy Chief of Staff,
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