Bonus: Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Sep 4 2025

Meet my friends, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton!  If you love Verdict, the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show might also be in your audio wheelhouse. Politics, news analysis, and some pop culture and comedy thrown in too.

 

Here’s a sample episode recapping four Thursday takeaways. Give the guys a listen and then follow and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.

 

Winning Culture Wars

 

Clay highlights the record-breaking ratings of football and the success of American Eagle’s Sydney Sweeney ad campaign, which he views as emblematic of a broader cultural pendulum swinging back toward sanity, beauty, and Americana. This cultural shift, he argues, is closely tied to the popularity of President Donald Trump and a rejection of progressive narratives.

 

The hosts explore the impact of woke advertising agencies, particularly those on Madison Avenue, which they claim have pushed ideologically driven campaigns that alienate mainstream consumers. They cite examples like Bud Light and Cracker Barrel, arguing that conservative consumers are now influencing corporate decisions by voting with their wallets. The success of campaigns featuring traditional beauty and sports is seen as a rejection of androgynous and politically charged marketing.

 

Clay and Buck also discuss the strategic importance of winning the culture war, asserting that cultural victories are more impactful than policy debates. They call for continued pressure on corporations to align with conservative values and celebrate companies that do so, believing success will breed imitation.

 

Bodycams Work

 

Crime and public safety, with a focus on urban violence and the Trump administration’s tough-on-crime stance. A poignant clip from a Chicago grandmother underscores the desperation felt in high-crime neighborhoods and the desire for increased law enforcement presence. The hosts criticize progressive leaders for failing to protect vulnerable communities and highlight the disconnect between elite rhetoric and everyday realities.

 

Body cameras are praised for providing transparency and protecting police officers from false accusations. The hosts argue that footage often reveals restraint and professionalism in law enforcement, countering mainstream media narratives. They also discuss the psychological toll of police work and the importance of understanding the realities officers face.

 

Toward the end of the hour, Clay and Buck address a controversial report suggesting the Trump administration is considering banning gun ownership for transgender individuals, citing mental health concerns. They acknowledge the complexity of the issue, balancing Second Amendment rights with public safety, and note the political dilemma this poses for Democrats who advocate both gun control and transgender rights.

 

Vaccine Questions

 

A discussion centered on vaccine mandates, medical freedom, and cultural politics, with a strong emphasis on parental rights and skepticism toward the healthcare establishment. The hosts begin by spotlighting Florida’s move to eliminate all vaccine mandates under Florida Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo and Governor Ron DeSantis, framing it as a major win for medical autonomy and personal liberty. They criticize the COVID-era public health policies, especially mask mandates and vaccine coercion, calling out the authoritarian behavior of bureaucrats and airline staff.

 

Dr. Mehmet Oz joins the conversation, advocating for vaccine decisions to be made between doctors and patients, not dictated by government mandates. Clay and Buck reflect on their own parenting experiences, expressing concern over the increasing number of childhood vaccinations and questioning the pharmaceutical industry's influence. They discuss the rise in childhood allergies and illnesses, suggesting a link to overmedication and calling for a more holistic, risk-benefit approach to pediatric healthcare.

 

Politicizing Public Health

 

Dr. Nicole Saphier, Fox News analyst and host of “Wellness Unmasked” on the C&B Podcast Network reacts to the RFK Jr. Senate hearing, condemning the politicization of healthcare and calling for a return to data-driven, transparent public health policy. She highlights the erosion of trust in institutions like the CDC and HHS and urges a reevaluation of the childhood vaccine schedule, advocating for fewer shots and more nuanced messaging to combat vaccine hesitancy.

 

Dr. Sapphire also shares personal anecdotes, including her awkward first encounter with her now-husband, and promotes her podcast Wellness Unmasked, part of the Clay and Buck Podcast Network. T

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wel come in the Thursday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.

(00:04):
I don't know if Buck knows this, but the NFL
is back and a lot of you are going to
be watching tonight. A lot of you watched the Texas
and Ohio State game.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Buck.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
I don't know if this is a good or bad
thing for you, but football is setting all time record ratings,
the likes of which have never been seen before. And
I've got a theory on what it represents. And it
ties in with another fun story that I thought we
could jump into here, and it ties in with.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
The cultural pendulum.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Having swung in a massive direction back to sanity. And
I think you have to give Donald Trump a lot
of credit for this, but I think he is symptomatic
of where the country is moving. And I've got a
bunch of takes on this as the data comes out,
let me give you an idea of where we're headed.

(00:57):
By the way, in the third hour, We've got a
couple of fun gets for you. Katie Miller, she has
got a brand new podcast. She is interviewing a lot
of people. She was Elon Musk's top assistant in the
White House. She is the wife of Stephen Miller, who
many of you have heard on this program for a
very long time, among the most influential advisors in the

(01:17):
White House. Deputy chief of Staff, I think is his
official title, beneath Susie Wiles. She is going to be
on with us in the third hour to talk about
some of these cultural trends two thirty part of the
Clay and Buck podcast. Network doctor Nicole Safire, many of
you obviously see her on Fox News on a regular
basis as well.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
She will join us. So that has all come in
the third hour.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
But this morning, Buck, as I was getting ready for
the show, as I was walking my fifth grader to school,
as I do most mornings, the stock market opened, I
looked down at my phone. I knew it was going
to be a big pop out of the gate. But
American Eagle stuff for those of you who saw the

(02:02):
Sydney Sweeney advertisements and just said, you know what, I think,
A pretty girl in jeans and a company that is
not apologizing for it is likely to do well. Last night,
American Eagle said their Sydney Sweeney ad campaign is so
successful that they are now increasing their earnings expectations and

(02:28):
their profit expectations, and the stock as I speak to
you all today is up thirty two and a half percent.
Today alone, the stock up four and a half dollars.
So if you just heard us talking about this advertisement,
if you just saw them talking about it on Fox News,

(02:50):
and you thought to yourself, you know what, a pretty
girl in jeans seems like a pretty good idea. And
then as you saw all the con traversy stirred up
on the left, people saying, oh, this is eugenics. Maybe
we can go back and pull the ABC Good Morning
America story where they put on the expert to say, oh,

(03:11):
this is very troubling. This is calling a blonde hair,
blue eyed girl saying she has good genes as a
punt on J E A N S G E N
E s A clear double entendre. There, if you thought
this is all ridiculous, this is going to work. I
give credit to American Eagle. They didn't run and hide.

(03:33):
I know because my grandma, grandma of my kids, My
mom took a picture of my son at back to
school season standing in front of a Sidney Sweeney ad.
I know that even grandmas were aware of this ad campaign,
and maybe some of you out there. You bought your
kids and your grandkids American eagle gear just to make

(03:56):
a statement on this buck. I do think that this
is a sign of the culture shift having occurred in
a big way. I think the popularity of football going
through the roof ratings wise, I think it's directly connected
to this pretty girls sports. It's all coming back together again.

(04:16):
It never left popularity, but they wanted to tell us
that fat androgynist model is going to sell lingerie. Guess
what America is not crazy? People like football, they like
pretty girls, and my goodness, you could have made a.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Lot of money by betting on both.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Well.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
I want to find out what the next company is
that plans to just do an old school all Americana
good feeling at I mean, it seems like a you know,
Clay As you know, we've talked about marketing execs. Madison
Avenue ad execs are among the most woke as a profession,

(04:53):
most woke individuals you'll find anywhere. I mean, they're really
up there with like Broadway choreographers in terms of their politics,
and they are being in some other planet. And I
think because of America's overall prosperity, the dominance of many
American companies.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
They've been able to.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
Get away with their ideological decisions, ideologically based decisions instead
of what's based the company for a long time. That
perhaps is in the early stages of changing.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
We shall see.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
I will say I haven't seen a change in the
advertising kind of companies. I should say the kind of
companies advertising and conservative media haven't seen that happen yet.
We were hearing, you know, early rumbles that this may
go on, and now I think there's a little more
of a wait and see Trump's first year. Let's see
if he stays focused and stays on it. But I

(05:44):
think that consumers and the American people need to continue
to push and that just means be vocal about your
preferences and put your dollars where your heart is. Actually
make decisions based upon where where companies align with your values.
And in some cases it's just fun and making America
and wanting to sell a good product that can align.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
With your values.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
It doesn't have to be you know, everything is draped
in an American flag and talks about defeating the Communists.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Although that's fine too, but just here trying to use
the old the oldest.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
Trick in the marketing book, a beautiful woman selling a
product to people that they will like.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
It turns out that still works if you're willing to
do it.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
It certainly works better than a three hundred pound androgynous
purple hair ear plugged.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
You know, whatever we're dealing with, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
I do think that the retreat that you saw from
Cracker Barrel. And this is where the impact of bud
Light really comes in, because I've heard so many people
out there. They get sometimes upset when we talk about culture,
not just on this program, but on all programs, and
they're like, tell me more about the tax plan for

(06:58):
small businesses. And I'm like, okay, yeah, I mean, I'm
in favor of lower taxes all these things. But culture
is how you win. I'm sorry, culture, culture, culture, the
older I get in all facets. Your company's culture is
how you win your team, both as a actual athletic.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Team and just the team around you. Your family.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Culture is how you win culture. Culture, culture, and you
have to win culture. And what I am seeing right
now is Buck's point. I told you guys this about
fan duel yesterday, and I got a lot of reaction
to it. I don't think most people outside of media
understand that the advertising agencies are the wokest part of

(07:47):
American life, and they are the bottleneck that is putting
all this ridiculousness. I would argue a lot of it
is filth out into the larger cultural arena because they
control so much of the access to the marketplace, and
they were the ones pushing all this androgynous models, all

(08:07):
this hey being three hundred and fifty pounds, that's how
we should sell athletic gear. Hey, let's put an actual
man in a Nike sports bra and let's say, hey,
girls go buy Nike sports bras to work out in.
I mean, these are the ads that they were putting in.
They're the reason bud Light put this trans influencer on
a can in the first place.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
We have to destroy them. We have to destroy them.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
And I understand there's a lot of cowardice out there,
but that's how you win culture. That is how you
go back to some form of normalcy in American life.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
And I think that it's incumbent upon everybody to remember
this as they're making their decisions. Uh. And you know,
we talked about Crockett coffee here on the show and
how we're already you know, some of you listen to
Joe PAGs. Joe PAGs are selling Crockett coffee and Ben
Ferguson is selling Crocket coffee. You know, we're putting money
into the broader conservative of media economy because Clay and

(09:02):
I remember what it was like. I remember the early days.
Sponsors that would come on you have the same thing.
Sponsors that would stand with you. They felt like family.
And that's one of the reasons why we're so attached
to many of our longtime sponsors here on this show,
because they're with us shoulder to shoulder. Yeah, they're trying
to offer up great products to all of you, but
they make a be very clear about this, and I

(09:23):
don't ever want to make it feel like this is
something we don't talk about. They make every sponsor on
this and other conservative programs out there, they make a
decision to stand with you, all of you and your
values because there are a lot of companies out there
that we would make a ton of money for by
just telling you about their great products. And they're like,

(09:43):
I'm sorry, have you heard what Klay Travis says about
trans guys playing on women's field hockey. Have you heard
what Buck Sexton said about COVID lockdowns and fauci And
I'm that is the God's honest truth. That is exactly
what goes on.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
This is one where strategically the left understands how to
win culture better they created And again we're taking you
into the weeds a little bit, but I think it's
important for you guys to understand it, and certainly Rush
lived through it because some of the creation of these
groups were designed to try to destroy Rush's show. As
many of you well remember, the left created entire companies

(10:24):
that they're All they did was reach out to big
brand advertisers and say, are you sure you want to
be affiliated with this conservative by the way, very broadly
defined conservative.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Because I did a sports talk show.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
And I had FanDuel cancel on me over saying men
can't be in women's sports. I mean, how many sports
gamblers do you think in America believe that men should
be able.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
To compete in women's sports?

Speaker 4 (10:54):
I generally don't think the guys we were paying really
close attention to which ponies gonna come in first, or
which touchdown is going to be the game winner? Sitting
there chopping their cigars, like, you know, what we really
need more future is female.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
T shirts and by the way, also beer companies. I mean,
this is the Cracker Barrel's decision writ large, and I
think a lot of these companies are now going to
start firing some of these marketing agencies, but they're the
ones with the choke hold on culture. You need to
see the Sydney Sweeney ad campaign work because cowardice is

(11:27):
common and most marketers are not particularly smart, and they
follow whichever direction they're led. And if they're told put
fat chicks into sports bras or put dudes with penises
into sports bras to sell women's athletic gear, they'll do
it because they're cowards and that's what they were told.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
And you see in the case of the Cracker Barrel
and all a Cracker Barel situation. I just want to
say this too, for I've been reading conservative media and
I've doing all this stuff now since I was in
high school.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
So we're going on thirty thirty years of.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
Seeing what the sponsors are, seeing what the climate is,
and how advertisers and corporations treat anything that half the
country a little niche market own as half the country
fully endorses and supports, and so there is a sense
of a I don't know if it's a renaissance, it's
certainly a turning of the tide. There is a sense

(12:25):
that things now under this Trump administration are better than
they have ever been in this regard. There's still a
lot of work to be done, though, because it's crazy
and you see a lot of these shows Clay after
the Trump election, after Trump's election win that have been canceled.
A lot of these programs that have they were being
propped up by people and companies selling.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Other stuff to you.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
Right, so it's like the corporation is making money selling
you toaster ovens or whatever, and then people who are
in a media subsidiary that the corporation owns are able
to write check that are subsidized by the toaster ovens
that you don't realize are actually paying the bills so
that you can have Stephen Colbert be a not funny

(13:08):
jerk on TV every night making thirty million dollars a
year while the staff is getting fired. That is the
lib media business model. And once you understand that it
is not free and open, fair choice, and once you
understand how they've seated themselves top to bottom in these
corporate institutions. How they've decided to use the levers of
power and their advantage to their advantage. Clay, this has

(13:30):
been worth. It's been worth presidential elections. I'm just gonna
say it. I mean, the Democrats have been in office
at different times because of this apparatus that we are
outlining for you right now. So trust me, it matters.
And you have to win the culture wars. And this
is why I think this is significant. And we're winning
the culture wars, and we're winning young men, and we

(13:51):
need to add on more steam. Young women want to
look like Sidney Sweeney. Young men want to play football.
They want to be bigger, stronger, faster than they are.
They don't want to be failures, they don't want to
be mediocrites. And this sameness, this cultural androgyny that is
being sold by the left, we're lighting it on fire.

(14:14):
But we need to pour on more fuel. We need
to continue to stack wins. That's why this is important.
This is how you stack multiple wins. And I do
think we should celebrate and draw attention to companies that
are making the right decisions because other companies will emulate them,

(14:34):
because success is contagious, and what somebody has success, others
will follow. Our civilization is built on the aspiration to greatness,
to beauty, to discovery, to be, to be someone who
is not just eating the gruel that is handed by
the commissars and told what to do and what to

(14:55):
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people want to return restoration to the degree it's possible
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Speaker 2 (16:53):
Clay, have you heard of the Rio Reset? Sounds like
a trendy new workout, Buck, It.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
Does, but it's actually a big summit going on in Brazil.
The formal name is Bricks, which stands for Brazil, Russia, India,
China and South Africa. But they've just added five new members.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Smart move to stick with Bricks. We know what happens
when acronyms don't end. They confuse everyone.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Well, that's an understatement.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
Bricks is a group of emerging economies hoping to increase
their sway in the global financial order.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Now that sounds like the plot line of a movie.
I'm listening.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
Philip Patrick is our Bruce Wayne. He's a precious metal
specialist and a spokesman for the Birch Gold Group. He's
on the ground in Rio getting the whole low down
on what's going on there.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Can he give us some inside intel?

Speaker 4 (17:35):
Absolutely, He's been there since day one. In fact, a
major theme at the summit is how Bricks nations aim
to reduce reliance on the US dollar in global trade.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yikes, that doesn't sound good. We got to get Philip
on the line.

Speaker 4 (17:48):
Stat already did, and he left the Clay and Buck
audience this message.

Speaker 6 (17:52):
The world is moving on from the dollar quietly but steadily.
These nations are making real progress to reshaping global trade
and the US dollar is no longer the centerpiece. That
shift doesn't happen overnight, but make no mistake, it's already begun.

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(18:32):
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Speaker 1 (18:37):
Welcome back in play, Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us as we are rolling
through the Thursday edition of the program, and we've got
a ton of different things that you guys are reacting to.
But I did want to play this because I think
one of the aspects of Trump and his particular focus

(19:02):
on crime is it actually is connecting with a lot
of people out there that are having to deal with
legitimate crime. And here is a grandmother of a Chicago
crime victim speaking to Fox News about what she sees.
This is a woman named missus Gail. I believe it's

(19:24):
how they identify her. This was on Fox News saying, hey,
bring them on, what do we have to lose? I
would bet for you that this is how ninety plus
percent of people that actually are living in crime ravaged
neighborhoods feel Listen to cut one.

Speaker 7 (19:42):
My name is miss Gail. My grandson is Gregor Ree Wilson.

Speaker 8 (19:46):
The third.

Speaker 7 (19:47):
You got people still rob and steal and killing. Just
the other day a fall ye oh boy got killed,
shot in the head. It's like it's never going to end.
So if mister Trump want to bring these troops to Chicago,
hey bring them, Hong, Well, we've got to lose, you
know what I'm saying, Put some fear and let them
know that they hear. They want, you know, protect the

(20:07):
city of Chicago. We got elderly people afraid to ride
to re Atlantic, we get keys, can't go outside and play.
You got women don't want to walk walk at night alone.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Look, this is one of the things that I think
is not getting enough attention. It's not going to shock
you that most mainstream media is now focused on this.
It's very easy for wealthy people who have gated communities
and have private security and or have their own community
police that are rapidly responding to any issue that might arise.

(20:43):
It's very easy for those people to say, Hey, it's
safe in this city. We don't need Trump, we don't
need National Guard, we don't need more police. But the
people that actually are in areas where crime takes place
would overwhelmingly welcome being able to be more secure. And
this is where I think the true lie of the

(21:06):
Black Lives Matter protests are exposed, because essentially what Karen
Bass in LA and Brandon Johnson in Chicago and Governor
Wes Moore of the state of Maryland are actually saying
is black lives don't matter if it requires more police officers.

(21:30):
And we know that those police officers and those National
Guard troops save and the people that they save save
lives and the people's lives that they save are overwhelmingly black,
yet they.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Don't want the help.

Speaker 4 (21:43):
Well, what you're seeing are a lot of people coming
forward and being very loud about how they don't need
more police. Maybe, but they don't want more police. For
the people who do need and want more police, this
is a common thing, right. This is one of the
one of the tragic realities of this debate is that

(22:05):
you have so many wealthy influential people. I'm talking now
on the politician and media side.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Also, are we gonna talk about how ilhan Omar is
worth so much money?

Speaker 9 (22:15):
Now?

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Is this you and I were talking about this off
air yesterday? I mean, not like right now, but can
we just put a pin in that one? How are
all these how are these politicians getting so rich out
of nowhere?

Speaker 4 (22:26):
We don't really understand what's going on. I think that's
worth worth asking a little more about. But uh, the
these people who are in politics and media and in
general out there who are saying you don't need more
you don't need more police, you don't need more law
enforce and help in these areas, they are unfortunately relegating,
They are consigning others to continue to live in crime

(22:49):
infested neighborhoods. Yes, this is a choice, and this can
be stopped. People who just want you to believe and
I know you all know this, but people who want
you to believe that there have to be five hundre
undred to six hundred murders a year in Chicago just
because that's how it goes are lying or they're idiots.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
It's just not true. It does not have to be
that way.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
In fact, there have been times where the city of Chicago,
if you went back far enough.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
I'd certainly had nowhere near that number of murders.

Speaker 4 (23:17):
So Clay, I think that this is something that Republicans
are going to continue to win on as an issue.
I think they're going to continue to bring more people
over to their side because this is a just reasonable.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Or unreasonable thing.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
This isn't something that, as we've discussed, should fall along
deeply partisan lines, although it does fall along partisan lines.
And I would just remind everybody that the BLM two
point zero era, even when that was really going, when
they would actually talk to people, when they would do
polling in high crime neighborhoods, they might say things like

(23:54):
I want justice for George Floyd. But they'd also say
I think more cops would help. There's a lot of that.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
You know, if you look at the real data on this.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
People who live in high crime neighborhoods want less crime
in those neighborhoods, and they have an understanding of we
need more cops to get this done. They don't want
the cops to use excessive force. They don't want the cops.
And that brings me to body cams for a second.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Here at clay Sah.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
You know, I've been I've been on this little kick
online because it must be said.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
I remember there was all this talk, all this stuff
about oh my gosh, because you know.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
Even back in like the Occupy Wall Street era, there
were all these anti cop protests that were part of it,
racist murdering cops that would have these banners up and
all this stuff. What body camera show, whether it's just
someone who's being drunk, disorderly and really entitled. You know,
do you know that I'm an assistant district attorney, sir,
excuse me, sir? You know the cops like, yeah, I

(24:51):
don't care, I don't care. You're not you've been trespassed
from a premises or somebody coming at an individual with
a knife. I mean, I just saw this yesterday. Without
body cameras, we all know this. The community, the community organizers,
whatever that means, would.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Be saying that these were murders committed by cops. Yes,
and every time, every time there was a.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
Minority shot by a police officer, if we didn't have
body cameras, if there was any daylight to tell everybody,
you know, the national media to tell everybody that this
was a racist cop murdering somebody, we'd have to go
through that whole national handwringing, Oh my gosh, racism. And
we have talk about Jim Crow and the legacy of

(25:32):
slavery and all these things. Well, with body cameras, what
you see is cops. A lot of the cops play
that I see in these incidents are far more patient
than I would be as a cop. I'm saying, like,
if I saw myself in their shoes, I would have
gone to force probably quicker than they do, which says
a lot to me.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
I mean, the most recent one that I was watching
video of yesterday, a woman comes storming at a police
officer with a with a butcher knife, and yeah, I'm
telling you if these cameras didn't exist. I can think
of five or six different cases where you watched it
on camera and you said, man, that was a You know,

(26:12):
that cop is lucky to be alive because what people
don't realize the camera actually shows you is and you
know this because you're a trained you're a highly trained marksman.
But the amount of time it takes for someone to
get to you, even if they don't have a gun,
with a knife or with something that they could use

(26:32):
in a violent way on you is almost instantaneous.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Right.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
This is where you get the twenty foot rule they
teach law enforcement, they teach in the in the intel
agencies and military. If somebody's within twenty feet and you
have to come out of the draw out of a holster.
I know a lot of you are like, fuck, I
can draw, Okay, fine, But the average person and the
average cop who has a gun is not going to
be able to get an aim shot off at somebody

(26:58):
storming them from you know, at an able body nail
within twenty feet. If they have a knife, they're gonna
stab you. You might kill them, but they're gonna stab
you first.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
And also I think it shows because what did you hear?
A lot of why don't they just shoot them in
the leg instead? Uh, which is one of the most
ridiculous when you're being and a lot of these body cameras,
you see people get shot in the leg and they're
still stabbing. And also you see how hard it is
when someone is running at you trying to do ill
to you to hit them at period, right, Like I mean,

(27:28):
you're reacting your body is like it is. I think
it's putting people because the body cameras not only are
they showing what the officer sees, but they're putting people
inside of the officer's body, right, because effectively you then
are you know, everybody wants to play shooter video games,
right like the Fortnight's of the world. There are a

(27:49):
ton of them, the call of duties that are super popular.
When you are standing there in the officer's perspective, you
I think most people have the reaction A lot lot
of people do buck that you just had of Man,
this officer is actually way more conciliatory than I might
well be in this situation.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
Well, this also goes to something. This is when you
think about this, and this is true of all these
different law enforcement debates that happen about what is what
is reasonable and also what the incentives are here. And
we have a lot of cops who listen to this show,
and we appreciate that a lot of former cops listen
to this show. All of them know that even in
the best of circumstances in terms of clarity, for a

(28:32):
lethal lethal use of force incident, there it's you've taken
a human life. There's psychological trauma that comes along with that.
You're gonna get put There's gonna be an investigation of this.
Even I'm talking about the most clean shoot, so to speak, imaginable,
like somebody running at you with a knife, or someone
pulling out a gum when you're saying drop it, drop it,
drop it drop you know on video they're still gonna

(28:53):
put you on leave.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
You've still taken a human life. There's a there's a
psychological toll from that.

Speaker 4 (28:58):
A lot of the military guys know this, and you know,
the point is, nobody wants to do that. No one's
looking to do that in law enforcement except in the
most extreme and and unusual circumstances where you get some
kind of a psychopath in there. Because there's like a
there's basically a million cops in this country, so you're
you know, a million of anything. You're gonna have a

(29:19):
couple of lunatics, but in general, they're not trying to
do anything other than get home to their families and
do their jobs. And you know, there's there's the there's
that old joke, Clay. It's like, I won't remember all
of it, and some you remember it, but it's you know,
heaven is like the British or the cops, and you
know the uh or the yeah, and the British of

(29:41):
the cops, the Italians are the are the Cooks, the
French or I forget what it is. But I always
think about how people point to the British as having
such good police, and I see here, I'm like, actually,
given the amount of violence and stuff that Americans have,
you know that American cops have to go through, American
cops are phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
I mean, I think if you actually contemplate and look
at this, there was, to be fair a lot of
police that were saying, hey, we don't really want body
cams on us. Remember it wasn't, but I think increasingly
every cop out there is saying yeah, we've got to
have this.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
I totally butchered this joke. So can I just remind
you Heaven is where the cooks are French, the police
are British, the mechanics are German, the lovers are Italian.
That was what I couldn't remember. And everything is organized
by the Swiss. And Hell is where the cooks are British,
the mechanics are French, and everything is organized by the Italians.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Anyway, you get the idea.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
Italy is an amazing country. But boil boys in a mess.

Speaker 4 (30:46):
Yeah, yeah, you don't want to. You don't want to
have to get your Wi Fi linked up in Italy.
That's that's like a six month operation from what I'm told.
And you don't want to have to ask a French
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Speaker 2 (32:11):
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Speaker 10 (32:14):
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Speaker 4 (32:24):
We have some changes afoot thanks to RFK Junior at AHHS,
Florida Surgeon General Joseph Vlatipo, and others who are making
moves and changing things up after what we saw. In
my opinion, and I think many share it, you know,

(32:45):
Clay shares it was the absolute abdication of impartiality, science
based medicine and basic responsibility by the medical establishment during
during COVID and that was during the early days when
Trump was reliant on that on those agencies to act

(33:08):
the way that they were supposed to at some level,
and then during the Biden years where it just got
worse and crazier and more absurd. I just want to
tell you something that immediately annoys me is when anyone
says they did the best they can it was complicated, No,
absolutely unacceptable because they weren't arguing then they weren't arguing

(33:33):
we need a vaccine mandate because things are complicated and
we're not sure, but we think that this makes sense
given they were saying, shut your face.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
I don't want to hear it. You're not allowed to
go to church. You're allowed to go buy weed, but.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
Get the vacs, or you lose your job, get the shot,
or you can't go to a restaurant. We know what's
true here, we know what the facts are. They did
that and then they were wrong on top of it.
It is unforgivable. There's no excuse for it. And people
in the medical profession who pushed this and went along
with this, it'd be ashamed of themselves. The airline attendants

(34:08):
who were enforcing, you know, masking at their whim, that one,
in some ways was the absolute worst, like they act.
There were people, and I know this has happened to me.
There are people who thought, you know what, I'm gonna
go up to someone out. Your mask has been off
your face while you're eating a little too long. I'm
gonna tell you to please cover up. Think about the mentality.
I mean, these are the people the Soviets used as

(34:28):
prison guards in the Gulag. They enjoy the little thrill
of power and harassing other people. There's something deeply wrong
inside of them. They didn't have to do it. I
mean that's the case. I always go to clay because
you could have just not been a psycho and said, Okay,
they're eating, I'm gonna let them eat their food. You
know that's within the rules. But no no mask up
between bites. Sure you're taking a little too long, could

(34:50):
you mask up between bites? The people who did that
should forever hang their heads in shame because they're morons
and their sheep, and they're the reason that there are
totalitarianism that still exists to this day, to this day
around the world.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Unfortunately.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
In fact, the second I mean the second largest country
in the world is a totalitarian dictatorship.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
So what does that tell you?

Speaker 4 (35:11):
Now, let's get into the pushback against the madness here.
First of all, Florida Surgeon General, Harvard trained doctor Joseph
Latipoe spoke about ending the vaccine mandates in this state.
The Great State of Florida under Ron de Santis, a
stewardship a fantastic place play fourteen.

Speaker 9 (35:30):
The Florida Department of Health, in partnership with the governors,
is going to be working to end all vaccine mandates in.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Florida law, all of them, all of.

Speaker 9 (35:42):
Them, every last one of them. Every last one of
them is wrong and drips with disdain and slavery. Okay,
who am I as a government or anyone else, or
who am I is a I am standing here now
to tell you what you should put in your body,

(36:05):
poor mine, to tell you.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
What your child should put in your body. You don't
have that right.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
Claig and I also just just throw in there before
doctor Oz. Also, we're gonna have them on today, but
we got Nicole Sapphire on later. We need to bring
some MD expert here. Here's doctor Oz against vaccine mandates.

Speaker 11 (36:25):
I would definitely not have mandates for vaccinations. This is
a decision that a physician and a patience we be making together.
Their parents love their kids more than anybody else I
could love that kid, so why not let the parents
play an active role in this. There are some states
now we're seeing an increase in homeschooling because parents are
running from the healthcare system. They can't get healthcare because
doctors are unwilling to take the risk of taking care

(36:46):
of children who don't want vaccinations because it might impact
the way their practices are rumped. They shouldn't feel pressure
from the government to decide what to do with the
vaccination schedule. They should do what's the best interest of
the person in front of them.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
It's a child, and what those parents desire.

Speaker 11 (37:02):
That's how the system is supposed to run.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
The Flora is yours, sir h.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
This is one of those situations where, frankly, COVID made
me question a lot, and I bet there's a lot
of moms and dads out there that are the exact
same as me. I didn't question anything on the vaccine
schedule for my kids. I've got seventeen, fourteen, ten year
old boys. Obviously we haven't really been through the vaccine

(37:30):
process in a long time. But as soon as COVID happened,
I said, my kids are not getting the COVID shot,
and I was looking at the data. Thankfully they did
not get the COVID shot. I think that a lot
of parents out there who did get their COVID their
kid the COVID shot. Probably some of you are listening
to us now because you were still willing to go

(37:52):
along with the public health establishment. I have a lot
of questions about why we have the number of shots
that we give our kids now I do, and look,
I am not going to go through the buck. You
now have got a baby boy that I remember thinking.
It seems like they get a lot of shots, more

(38:13):
shots than I got when I was a kid, more
shots than any of you out there in your thirties
or forties or fifties or sixties got.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
And I just look.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Around, and I do feel like much of what RFK
Junior and the Maha moms are saying is true. It
feels to me like we have a lot more sick
kids now, a lot more allergies with kids, a lot
more public health issues with young kids now than we

(38:45):
used to.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
And I can tell you this, Claik, this is an
ongoing discussion in my house right now. And we are
doing both a slow a spread out in the vaccine
schedule as in, like yeah, taking time between them, and
also doing a a la carte system for the vaccine

(39:06):
system or the vaccine choices, as in, we have a
very good MD down here.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Who was you know.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
Look, if you're gonna be my kid's doctor, I gotta
tell you this, you better not still have a mask
up sign in your office, which does still exist in
some places. So this doc lives in reality and lived
in reality during COVID because he was a Florida based doc.
So he's really good. But I'll just tell you this,
I said. Doc Kerry and I were in the office
and I said, okay, so we can get this one

(39:36):
shot and there's another shot that maybe we get and
he basically was like, look, you know, I was like,
I don't think we need to get that second vaccine.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
What do you think?

Speaker 4 (39:43):
He goes, no, you don't need to get that one.
That one, really I don't think. And then I said, okay,
the first one, though, what do you think about this one?
He said, look, I'll tell you this. He said, I've
looked at the safety profile for a long time. It's
gotten it's gotten even better over the years based on
what's in it. You know, he's kind of a more
holistic doc. And he said, I'll tell tell you this.
What this prevents. It basically is for a form of

(40:03):
pneumonia that babies gets. He said, when I was doing
my residency, it was actually in New York. When he
was doing his residency in New York, babies would come
in every day and die from that.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Yeah, so he said this.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
One, for this one, I would advise it was still
our choice. It was still our choice. But those are
the kind of conversations I think they need. You know,
it's a total risk benefit analysis, and you know, not
being told get this or you're not allowed to go
to school, or get this, or you're a bad person.
I just again, I think that there are a lot
of you know, they they turned anti vaxx into an insult.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
I actually think it is not. Most people are not
anti vax on everything.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
One. Two.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
They have turned parents asking hey are my kids over
medicated into a design to attack you for asking questions.
And my general position as a parent, and I follow
this myself is I don't want to take anything.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
I just like my wife makes fun of me. I
don't even like to.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Take tail and on right, like I am just a
I would rather not put things into my body if
I don't have to and let my immune system work.
I've never gotten the COVID shot. I'm glad I never
got the COVID shot. And you know, I hope that
I can be healthy and live to eighty five ish.
That's the number that's in my head where I'm like,

(41:32):
I'd like to make it to eighty five. That feels
like a good target. That would mean I got about
forty years left, and I want to ideally deal with
the medical system as little as I possibly can. I'll
give you an example, Buck, I was just talking about
this off air, and I'm going to give them a
plug here. I'm over, I'm forty six, and so they say, hey,
you need to get a colonoscopy, right, Like, I don't

(41:55):
want to go to the doctor and get anything. My
wife has to get on me to go get a physical. Like,
I just don't want to go to the hospital. I
don't want anything. I did this home colon guard thing.
It seems like an amazing invention. I send off my samples,
they review it, they say, you're good. I don't have

(42:15):
to spend two days getting a colonoscopy.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Right.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
I feel like we are over medicated, and I feel
like many parents out there feel this, and you're asking yourselves,
is it imperative that my six month old be stuck
up like a porcupine quill? I don't know that we
need to be doing it, particularly when all of these
drug companies, Again, this is important, all of these drug

(42:40):
companies need you sick in order to basically exist as companies. Now,
I'm not maligning all drugs because Bucks pointed out, like, hey,
if you're super bipolar, you need treatment, right, Like, there
are lots of things out there where the drug companies
have done an amazing job helping people who otherwise would
not be able to exist in the larger society to exist.

Speaker 4 (43:01):
Or you know, if you don't want to have a
heart attack, you know, statins are really effective save a
lot of lives.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
If you gave me a magic wand and you just said, Clay,
you have the ability to do something for healthcare aside
from you know, hey, everybody lives healthy to be one hundred, right,
you know something like that. I think we could swipe
out kids in particular. I think we could swipe out
seventy five percent of all medical treatment on kids. And
I think kids would have maybe a better health outcome

(43:30):
than drugging them up like we have done.

Speaker 4 (43:33):
This is the great unasked or unanswered I should say,
question in the post Obamacare world, because really, what Obamacare was.
It just made all of our health care more expensive
to subsidize some people, including illegals as we know, to
pay less for their health care. And it was a
massive Medicare oh sorry, Medicaid, Medicaid expansion and the most

(43:55):
thorough it's called the Oregon Study, the most thorough randomized
controls study of health care outcomes ever for medicaid patients
showed that having Medicaid or not having Medicaid made no
difference in actual health care outcomes, none, not discernible in
the least. Yes, so you say, well, what all this
what are you spending all this money on? Where's all
the money going? And that's when you really start to

(44:17):
see things, and you know, one of the failures of
the failure of Obamacare as a parent, but I just
look at the cost of the average healthcare premium over
the last decade. Do you think are you getting better
healthcare now? You're absolutely not yet. In fact, your healthcare
premium has gone up one hundred and fifty percent something
like that on average. So, yeah, it was healthcare socialism everybody.

(44:38):
They just did it in a clever and creative way,
including lying about it.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
What do you think the most hated company that everybody
has to deal with on a regular basis is it
used to be a cable company, which I know it
used to be the cable company, which I actually I
always thought the cable company THIG was good because it
showed you what It was a lesson in monopoly for everybody,
because monopolies are bad.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
True monopolies are bad, and we're only in the state.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
My kids don't believe this. I was telling them about it.
I was like, they were like, how did you used
to get you know, games on. I was like, well,
we had to get cable and they were like, well,
how does cable get And I was like, you move
into a new apartment and the cable guy would be like, hey,
I'm going to show up at some point between eight
pm and six pm, and you basically.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Eight am, eight am he said, sorry, eight am and
six like all day.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
They didn't give you like a couple of hours, and
they would say they would show up. You had to
sit there and wait for them. And if you were
a show you.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
Had to call and say pretty please, I'll bake you
cookies come tomorrow or the next day like you were.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
They had you at their mercy and that was reality.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
I remember one time when I was in college, pretty
girl down the hall. We were jealous, like how did
you get your cable hooked up already? And she was like,
I put on a tank top when the cable guy
was walking down the hall and I was like, hey,
can I get you to come, and like, yeah, cable guys.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
Yeah, of course they call this the Sydney Sweeney effect. Yes,
I go figure, see's a pretty girl in the taketop.
He finds a way to get her cable hooked up.
It's not even a movie, although I've heard those kind
of movies of this. You'd be amazed what people can
find when it's time to move out of their family
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(46:15):
right now of moving out of my house and we
are taking all of the family photos off the bookshelves
everything else. We are stacking them up, and I am
thinking right now, even for relatively recent photos, man, we
really need to get these digitally preserved.

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the digital cameras if you remember those days, but you
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Speaker 1 (48:02):
We welcome back in play Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. We were rolling
through the Thursday edition of the program We Bring in
our friend, doctor Nicole Sapphire, part of the Clay and
Buck podcast network. You can also see her regularly on
Fox News. She does fantastic work across the media spectrum.
And doctor Sapphire, we will start with the fireworks that

(48:24):
have just come as Senator, sorry, Senator as Robert Kennedy
was testifying in front of many different senators out there
about what exactly is going on as it pertains to
rules on COVID shots and rules on vaccines in general
and science and everything else. What did you take away

(48:48):
from that testimony and how would you assess what is
going on right now from a health care perspective.

Speaker 13 (48:57):
Hey, guys, thanks so much for having me on. Yeah,
I'll tell you. I try to live stream as much
as that Senate Finance Community Committee with RFK Junior as
I could. I'm in the hospital myself, so in between patients.
But you know, there were a lot of fireworks. There
were name calling, there were yelling, there was eye rolling.
I mean, people were frustrated. But here's what I find
as a lay person but also someone in the medical community.

(49:21):
What I find frustrating watching here. This was all about
people just trying to get talking points out for media headlines.
This was not a conversation. This is not for the
greater good of America. What happens in these committee hearings,
and that is what I find the most frustrating. I
think RFK Junior Secretary Kennedy, I thought he had made
some really strong points. I think some of the senators

(49:43):
made some really strong points, and ultimately I think that
there was more arguing of semantics than anything at all.
And unfortunately for me looking at this from the outside in,
you know, throughout all of COVID, we became a very
fractured society, and all of a sudden, we have weaponized
public health, we have politicized it. And I was all

(50:03):
I'm looking for is what are we going to do
to bring the country together, to try and get politics
out of public health out of our healthcare system as
best we can. I mean, you never will be able
to completely, but the best we can. And how are
we going to unify the nation? And unfortunately, watching some
of this tells me that we are nowhere closer to
unifying the nation as we were four years ago.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
Well, I want to have you react here to an
exchange doctor stapfire between RFK Junior and Senator Widen. It's
about forty seconds long as it's cut eighteen hit it.

Speaker 8 (50:36):
I don't see any evidence that you have any regrets
about anything you've done or plans to change it. And
my last comment is I hope that you will tell
the American people how many preventable child deaths are an
acceptable sacrifice for enacting an agenda that I think is
fundamentally cruel and defies common sense.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
Say you've said that here for how long, twenty twenty
five years, while the chronic disease and our children went
up to seventy six percent, and you said nothing. You
never asked the question why is that happened? Why is
this happening today for the first time in twenty years?
But you learn that infant mortality has increased in our country?
Is not because I came in here. Is because of

(51:20):
what happened during the Biden administration that we're going to end.

Speaker 4 (51:23):
How much doctor Sapphire of the apparent animosity that these
Democrat senators show toward RFK Junior is because he's RFK
Junior and they don't like what he has stood for
in the past, or just because he happened to be
Trump's HHS guy.

Speaker 13 (51:37):
Yeah, so that's a great question. And first of all,
that was one of RFK Junior's strongest messages in my
opinion during that hearing was everybody was criticizing him, and
He's like, it turned the crap under you.

Speaker 5 (51:50):
Guys.

Speaker 13 (51:50):
You've been in office for decades, sitting on this committee,
and this is the first time we're having these conversations
about making people healthier again. So I thought that was
rather cheeky. That's so very poignant.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
You know.

Speaker 13 (52:02):
Senator Widen came out saying that he is going to
be releasing a report today. He asked to put it
into evidence that supposedly will show the damage to healthcare
of the American people done under URFK Junior, highlighting chaos, corruption,
and higher health care costs. And yet he said these things,
but we did not see that report or the data.

(52:23):
So again, Widen, I thought, was trying to get some
of those talking points at the end of the day.
And this is something I've said now, you know for
the last several weeks that I get some criticism on,
is that we already know Trump derangement syndrome is real.
I mean, one of these days it'll be a diagnosable condition.
That is, a medical doctor, I can code it and
it'll be a true diagnosis. But the RFK derangement syndrome

(52:46):
is real as well. And so for me, maybe he
is not the perfect messenger to be out in front
of the camera talking about the work that they're doing
behind the scenes. He is bringing a ton of insight, in,
a ton of innovation, and a whole new thought process
to the HHS. They're finally starting to look at root
causes of chronic illness. They're trying to make a systems

(53:06):
more efficient. These are all great things, but the moment
he steps in front of the camera or gets behind
the microphone, half of the country is turning it off,
just like they always do with President Trump. And so
when it comes to public health, it would be great
for me if there was another spokesperson who actually came
out to deliver that message, because as you see, if
you look at social media right now, people are just

(53:28):
making fun of Secretary Kennedy. They're making fun the fact
that he was breathing heavily into the microphone. Forget the
fact that he has a neurological condition and what they're
doing actually is grossly inappropriate by making fun of someone,
but they don't like him, and that's the bottom line.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
Doctor Staffire, I think the biggest issue that we face
as a country as it pertains to public health is
in the wake of COVID, many people, myself included, have
lost all faith in public health. So called expert to
give us the best possible advice, what would your advice
be to try to cure what I believe is the

(54:07):
biggest issue in America today, which is just lack of
trust in the wake of what happened with COVID.

Speaker 13 (54:14):
I mean, that's a very complicated question and there's not
going to be a one size fits all answer to that.
But part of that is going to be getting people
that are well respected on both sides of the aisle
into the HHS into the CDC. We undermine trust when
we like Right now, what we're dealing with right now,
and you're looking at the conversation is surrounding vaccines the CDC.

(54:40):
We're seeing the fallout from what happened because not only
are parents questioning the COVID vaccines, because the CBC doubled
down on the mandates long after science changed. The reality
is now parents are questioning all vaccines and just really
questioning public health in general. And so we have to
take a big step back and what was settled science

(55:01):
for the last several decades. If people truly believe that
it's still settled science and the data is there to
support it, then you need to show the data because
just saying well, this is this is what's the right
thing to do, it doesn't work anymore. We can't have
that paternalistic attitude when we're talking to the American people,
because the American people are educated, they want to make

(55:22):
informed decisions. And when you have this digital era where
all of a sudden, they're realizing that the truth is
at their fingertips and it's not necessarily just from the
mouthpieces that they're seeing from the CDC or whatnot, you
have to make sure that you are being very duanced
in the recommendations for public health. Part of that is
going to be right now. RFT Junior is having to

(55:43):
put together the Vaccine Advisory Committee. He got rid of
all the original members because he said that they were
essentially all part of, you know, the industry standard, and
it was time for them to go. And while I
may not disagree with a lot of them needing to go,
you know, he's kind of swinging that pendulum or the
other way by putting all new members on that are
part of his inner circle and his inner thinking. We

(56:06):
have to make sure that we have full dialogue and
debate on these committees, so we can't just go from
one inner circle to the next. We need to start
building these institutions that are with people who are going
to last much longer than just an administration.

Speaker 4 (56:21):
Are there just way too many vaccines doctor Sapphire in
your opinion in the suggested schedule for children? I think
the number we had doctor McCarey on and he said
it was something like seventy or something along those lines
over the course of Now I know that some of
those are multiple shots and they're given over years. That
does seem like that just seems like a lot of shots.

Speaker 13 (56:43):
Sure, So in my humble opinion, I think that we
need to look at the recommended childhood vaccine schedule. What's
happening in Florida where they're just trying to do away
with all vaccine mandates. That's a completely different conversation what
I'm talking about is not necessarily implementing mandated or recalling
man or getting rid of the mandates. I'm like, let's

(57:03):
reevaluate what we're even recommending. Can we change the timeline?
Does every single child need all of these vaccines? Because
the reality is not all vaccines are created equal. Lumping
them together just completely erases the science. The MMR vaccine
the one with measles that provides decades of protection, while
the protessis one that immunity wanes within months. And the

(57:26):
public health messaging has to acknowledge the differences because we're
undermining trust when we pretend that every vaccine works the same,
and Americans truly deserve nuance. I think we can change
the vaccine schedule. We can actually decrease the amount of
vaccines children get without risking the safety of the individual
child or the community. But it just means you have

(57:48):
to open up that conversation, and you have to be
willing to have that conversation because unfortunately, you have a
lot of people who have a they're head in the
stand right now with that vacuum thought mentality of well,
if you start changing it now, you're going to change
the whole thing, and that's going to creep in vaccine hesitancy.
But if you don't acknowledge the people's concerns, and you

(58:09):
don't acknowledge all vaccines aren't created equal, you're actually promoting
vaccine hesitency more than anyone else.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
How can people find your podcast and dive in if
they haven't already? Doctor Sapphire, well thanks.

Speaker 13 (58:23):
To you, guys. Wellness on Mask with doctor Nicole Saffire
is part of the Clay and Buck family. We have
a weekly rundown every Friday at ten am with about
just five minutes of me telling you what happened that week.
We're going to go all through the hearing tomorrow and
then on Tuesdays dropping at ten Wellness on Mass you
have a longer, full episode next week. You will hear

(58:43):
me with Jennifer Gollardi. She's the senior policy Analyst for
Restoring American Wellness at the Heritage Foundation. We talk all
things make America healthy again. We get into a little
bit of a healthy debate on some things, and I'll
tell you it's a great interview, so please make sure
to catch out. I'm also on x, Instagram and Fox News.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
Okay, I gave you all that, but I meant to
ask you this as well, so I encourage you to
go follow Doctor Sapphire.

Speaker 4 (59:10):
They play in Buck podcast network. Well on this unmasked
Doctor Sapphire tremendous collection of talent.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
There. What's the worst date You've ever been?

Speaker 6 (59:19):
On?

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Doctor?

Speaker 1 (59:19):
Because Buck brought up The English Patient, I realized that
I went on a high school date to watch that movie,
which was not a great movie to go on as
a high schooler. We just had Katie Miller on do
you recall the worst date that you've ever been on
in your life? Is there one that stands out?

Speaker 13 (59:36):
I think the worst date I've ever been on my
life was my first kind of date, or not even
a date, but when I met my husband, because we
actually met in a wine bar during a medical conference.
But I was drinking hot tea and this guy comes
up to me and he starts he's thinking that my
tea is spiked, and the whole time he just cannot

(59:56):
believe that I'm just drinking herbal tea while sitting in
a wine bar. And it's very awkward and very uncomfortable.
And twenty years later were married with kids.

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
Wait, how did he? How did he make the transition
like how do you yeah? Yeah, Like how did he
go from like, hey, like I think something's been spiked
in your tea to I'd like your phone number.

Speaker 13 (01:00:15):
Oh, he was asking for my phone number the whole time.
It took about two years for us to actually go
on a date. But the man was persistent, and I'll
tell you persistence pays off.

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
I had a very wise man tell me for many years.
Persistence is the key in all things. So there you go,
Doctor Sapphire, Thank you so much. Guys, go check out
wellness on mass on the Clay and Buck podcast podcast network.

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