Bonus: Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Dec 9 2025

Meet my friends, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton!  If you love Verdict, the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show might also be in your audio wheelhouse. Politics, news analysis, and some pop culture and comedy thrown in too.

 

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Clay: I'd be a Better SCOTUS Judge

 

Clay and Buck break down the case that could redefine the separation of powers by determining whether presidents can fire executive branch officials who lead independent regulatory agencies. They argue that this decision isn’t just about Donald Trump—it will impact every future president, from Obama to potential leaders like Gavin Newsom or JD Vance. The hosts criticize Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson’s comments during oral arguments, questioning her understanding of constitutional principles and highlighting what they see as her overtly political approach. Clay even raises the provocative argument that Biden’s pledge to appoint a Black woman to the Court may have violated federal law, sparking a broader discussion on merit, diversity, and judicial competence.

 

The hour then pivots to cultural commentary, featuring clips from The View and a spirited debate about Donald Trump’s legacy. Clay and Buck dismantle claims that Trump will be a mere “footnote,” asserting that he is the most influential political figure of the 21st century and second only to Ronald Reagan in the past 45 years. They compare Trump’s impact to other modern presidents, including Obama, Clinton, and George W. Bush, and explore how Trump reshaped American politics and global dynamics. This segment underscores the enduring influence of Trump’s policies and persona, regardless of media narratives.

 

Uncle Bill Stops By

 

Bill O’Reilly (aka Uncle Bill) shares candid insights from his recent conversations with President Trump. O’Reilly ranks Trump among the top ten U.S. presidents, praising his unmatched work ethic while noting that Abraham Lincoln will always hold the number one spot. He contrasts Trump’s accomplishments with what he calls Joe Biden’s catastrophic presidency, arguing Biden failed to solve a single major problem during his term. O’Reilly also warns that affordability concerns—particularly rising insurance costs—could become a defining issue in the 2026 midterms, even as Trump touts strong economic fundamentals like job growth and stock market gains.

 

Can You Afford Your Life?

 

The discussion pivots to Trump’s economic strategy and his push to address affordability through a Pennsylvania tour. Clay and Buck emphasize that inflation and high prices remain top-of-mind for voters, regardless of improving economic indicators. They spotlight Trump’s critique of Obamacare, playing audio where Trump blasts the law as a “disaster” that enriches insurance companies while leaving Americans with skyrocketing premiums and shrinking networks. The hosts argue that the entire healthcare system is broken, riddled with hidden costs and subsidies, and warn that demographic shifts—more retirees and fewer young workers—will strain programs like Social Security and Medicare for decades to come.

 

Over half of Americans pay no federal income tax, while government spending under Biden—$6.8 trillion in 2021 alone—fueled historic inflation. The hosts dismantle progressive proposals like tax exemptions as reparations, pointing out that many households already pay zero federal income tax. They end the hour by reaffirming that Biden’s reckless spending spree drove inflation from 1.7% to over 9%, cementing economic frustration as a key issue heading into the next election cycle.

 

Christmas Music and Gifts are Overrated

 

A spirited debate about holiday traditions, gift-giving, and the commercialization of Christmas. Clay admits he’s “going Grinch” over the nonstop barrage of Christmas music and argues that only children should receive gifts, while Buck shares his preference for practical contributions like college fund donations over material presents. Callers weigh in with creative solutions, including gift exchange apps and liquor swaps, adding humor and relatability to the discussion. The hour closes with a playful exchange about presidential rankings, as listeners challenge the hosts’ takes on George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Thomas Jefferson, sparking a lively historical debate. 

 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody to the Tuesday edition of the Clay Travis
end Buck Sexton Show. Getting deep into December already. I
can't believe it much to discuss. In fact, without even
planning this, Clay, I'm sitting here in a Crockett T
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(00:21):
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will be discussing that momentarily, Jasmine Crocket. Now we do
have to take into account, Clay, the possibility that worsh
you to say, run for president, You and I would

(00:42):
often be seen in public wearing Crockett gear, and this
could be confusing.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
So we're gonna have to address this somehow looks.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Like we're out there canvassing for votes for missus Jasmine
Crockett of the House of Representatives, when in fact we're
just trying to sell you the best coffee that you'll
ever have. So we'll talk about Jasmine crockettnouncing her Senate
run coming up.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
We've also got more on the.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Minnesota and Somali American fraud situation playing out. We have
a Trump interview with Dasha Burns of Politico addressing a
whole range of issues.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
We'll bring you the highlights of that.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Trump was at a ECON roundtable yesterday, got to talk affordability.
In fact, Uncle Bill also known as Bill O'Reilly, bestselling author,
TV host, etc. He will be with us at one
eastern here next hour on the program. We'll ask him
a lot of things, but certainly about the affordability question,
because I think that is what will determine most likely

(01:41):
determine the mid terms the outcome, more than any other
single issue.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
But I actually wanted to start with this one, if
I may, mister Clay.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yesterday we had mentioned this, but there were oral arguments
part of the Supreme Court yesterday, and those oral arguments
included a case that goes right to presidential power, presidential authority,
whether essentially the president can fire people who work for
the executive branch, or is there truly a forever state,

(02:12):
a deep state, whatever you want to call it. There
are people who are the bureaucracy that are effectively a
fourth branch of government because they cannot be fired by
the executive branch. They are not employees of the legislative branch.
They're certainly not part of the judicial branch. So what
the heck is going on here? It is a very
interesting question, I think, Clay. The outcome should be quite clear.

(02:37):
And yet here is Catanji Brown Jackson, who I think
you'd have to say is.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
The most left wing member of the Court.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
She also, and this is I mean this, she talks
the most by far of anybody on the Court, and
that's just a question of timing. On the transcript, she
talks the most by far, and unfortunately sometimes shows that
she doesn't really understand the very basics of our government,
which for Supreme Court justice I think is a problem.
Here she is yesterday Clay on the issue of presidential authority,

(03:09):
and can you fire these forever bureaucrats play cut six.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Some issues, some matters, some areas should be handled in
this way by nonpartisan experts. That Congress is saying that
expertise matters with respect to aspects of the economy and
transportation and the various independent agencies that we have. So

(03:34):
having a president come in and fire all the scientists
and the doctors, and the economists and the PhDs, and
replacing them with loyalists and people who don't know anything
is actually not in the best interest of the citizens
of the United States. These issues should not be in
presidential control.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Whose control should they be?

Speaker 1 (03:56):
And then Clay, that's the question that seems obvious, among others,
that Katangi Brown Jackson I do not think has a
particularly erudite answer to. I have never said this before.
I would be a better Supreme Court justice than Katanji
Brown Jackson, and I would not be a great Supreme
Court justice. I don't think she has the intellectual theft

(04:20):
to do this job, and the questions that she asks
confirm that on a regular basis. Look, what she's trying
to grapple with inarticulately is the concept of where do
the powers of the presidency extend and how to they
implicate the powers of Congress. So essentially what we've got here,

(04:41):
and it is I think it actually intriguing. An important
position is how do you end up making choices on
Let me take a step back and explain, because I
think this has gotten confusing to a lot of people,
and I don't think it's overwhelmingly confusing, So let me
just kind of lay out the issue here. About one
hundred years ago, Congress started to create these independent regulatory

(05:08):
agencies inside of government that were basically neither executive nor
congressional in nature. They were kind of a hybrid, and effectively,
the question is and most of the time the terms
on these agencies rotate, and they're supposed to be mixed Democrat,
Republican and all of these things. And the question really

(05:30):
at essence here is where does that fall within separation
of powers? Because if you decide that these people are
doing a bad job, the president is saying, I should
have the authority to fire them because they are acting
in an executive capacity. Katanji Brown Jackson is trying to
argue that they are independent of the entire political process,

(05:52):
but derive their power from congressional authorization and therefore should
be able to serve in their office without the need
to be at the behest of anyone. Right, And I
think for most of us out there, we say, wait
a minute. In a government, people should be actionable, and
if you're acting in some form in an executive capacity,

(06:14):
the president should have the ability to decide whether or.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Not someone is on one of these agencies.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
And Kataji Brown Jackson is trying to say, well, we
need experts from outside the world of politics. Let's actually
anti democratic, right, because the entire process of our country
is predicated on there should be people who are able
to be removed if the will of the people is
violated on some level. And that's really what all this

(06:40):
is about. And look, it's getting tied up in Trump,
but I actually think that's a poor way of the
media conveying it because Trump's only going to be president
for three more years, and largely the question is what
are the powers of the executive as it pertains to
these agencies. And I happen to think the executive should
have the power or to remove. But Katanji Brown Jackson,

(07:02):
let's go back to her for a minute, buck, because
I actually think there's an argument that her selection for
the Supreme Court quite clearly violated federal law because Biden
said I'm only going to pick a black woman. You
could not do that in almost any job in America

(07:22):
without violating the law, because you shouldn't ever say the
only person who can get publicly, the only person who
can get this job is a black woman. In doing so,
Buck Biden eliminated ninety seven percent of all individuals from
being able to be considered. I think three percent of
the overall court is made up of the overall legal

(07:46):
apparatus made up a black woman. I don't think that
he could appoint her. I think there is an argument
that her appointment was illegal under federal law because it
clearly violates principles that the Supreme Court has our ticulated
when it comes to how to consider race and sex
in terms of jobs. I also think she's not going
to win you over with more of her oral arguments,

(08:08):
which we're about to play here, Clay. In terms of
her ability to under I don't mean I may disagree,
and I do disagree with Kagan, for example, on a
lot of things. I do think she understands what's going on,
meaning I think she understands competing is forseally.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
A brilliant lawyer.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, she's and the constitutional framework that we are discussing.
So while I can disagree, she understands what does my
side say? What does your side say? I don't think
a Tanji Brown Jackson really understands what the sides are
in this. She just knows what she wants. She's a politician,
she's effectively a legislator wearing judicial robes, and here she

(08:46):
is more of the k J. I'm sorry, k b
J Rant play seven.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
Can you speak to me about the danger of allowing
in these various areas the president to actually control the
Transportation Board and potentially the Federal Reserve and all these
other independent agencies in these particular areas, we would like
to have independence. We don't want the president controlling I
guess what I don't understand from your overarching argument is

(09:15):
why that determination of Congress, which makes perfect sense given
its duty to protect the people of the United States,
why that is subjugated to a concern about the president
not being able to control everything. I mean, I appreciate
there's a conflict between the two, but one would think
under our constitutional design, given the history of the monarchy

(09:38):
and the concerns that the Framers had about a president
controlling everything, that in the clash between those two congresses
view that we should be able to have independence with
respect to certain issues should take precedence.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
I don't what does she even say. She sounds to
me like she thinks that there is a special imputed
power from Congress to have elements of government outside the
executive branch, outside the legislative branch, where people are unfirable
because of their so called expertise. I mean, this case
comes from trying to fire someone on the Federal Trade Commission, Right,

(10:18):
It's the case is Trump Vslaughter, and it's about firing
an FTC director.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
I think we could find somebody else to do the
FTC job, thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
I think really what this goes to, Clay, is that
Democrats cling to this, if you will, Fauciite power, going
back to doctor fauci of people who can have vast
power within the bureaucracy but are answer will answering to no.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
One, because bureaucrats tend to be Democrats.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Also, it's Congress not doing its job, because I mean,
this is very basic and I get it that when
you go to separation of powers, where we really run
into where the rubber meets the road is where do
you define the separation of the power?

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Right, this is Marbarry v. Madison back in the day
with Hey.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
The Supreme Court has the ability to review any actions
of the executive or the or the Obviously a congressional
power and try to make a determination there. But again,
I don't have any problem with Katanji Brown Jackson's perspectives,
but she she everything that she does, it appears that

(11:30):
she thinks she's a senator or a governor or even
a presidential candidate. She wants to do politics, that's fine,
but the job of a justice sitting on the Supreme
Court is not to articulate political arguments, and that's all
she seems capable of doing. Well, I don't think she
knows the difference, which is a huge problem. Well that
I think she's showing an issue deeply mired in her perspective,

(11:55):
point of view and political ideology, that she does not
know the difference between the role of a judge and
the role of a legislator. That's what came across to
me in this argument, that she has no idea that
she couldn't make a distinction really, because she's saying things like, Okay, well,
who determines that these people are experts? Someone hired them

(12:16):
somewhere along the line, so who gets to fire them?
I mean, if you start to work backward from her premise,
so once you work for the FTC, you get to
stay there forever.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Explain this to me. We can't find somebody better.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
I think what you're seeing also internally in the Supreme
Court is there's a growing disrespect of Katanji Brown Jackson's
seat on the Supreme Court. I think you saw it
when Amy Coney Barrett slapped her down in kind of
unprecedented terms. But there was a big article I read
in the New York Times recently where even Elena Kagan

(12:48):
and Justice Soto Mayor are not that happy with Katanji
Brown Jackson.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
And so I think this is a curse that she
makes their side look silly. Is really what's going on?

Speaker 1 (13:00):
This is the lasting curse of the Biden era that
is going to unfortunately stay in the Supreme Court for
the next thirty forty years, maybe long after I'm gone.
Katanji Brown Jackson is I think around fifty years old.
She's probably got thirty years left on the Supreme Court,
and I think she's going to be a real liability

(13:23):
as a justice going forward. And again, I don't know
that I've ever pointed this out with anybody. I don't
think I'm not trying to brag and say hey, as
a lawyer, I'd be some great Supreme Court justice. I
don't think i'd be very good at it. I would
be better than Katanji Brown Jackson as a Supreme Court
justice play I didn't go to law school, and I
think i'd be better than Katanji Brown Jackson, and I
actually probably there's probably a lot of people out there
that would be better. But again, I think there's an argument.

(13:45):
I've never heard anybody make it, but I think there's
an argument that her appointment is illegal under federal law
and should not stand because of Biden specifically saying I'm
only going to put a black woman on and by
the way, she's a I think a poor choice within
the black female community. I think Biden not surprisingly made
a poor choice, except to your point, he probably knew

(14:08):
what he was doing, which is just basically putting a
left wing politician on the court to make left wing arguments.
And I think that's why you're seeing Sotomayor and Kagan
back away from KBJ, and why you're actually seeing any
cony Bahirt, who seems pretty realized. It doesn't seem like
an angry person to get her fired up in some
of these court opinions. I think it's probably giving you

(14:30):
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Speaker 5 (16:26):
There.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
We are on every social media platform under the sun,
and we are joined now by Bill O'Reilly. You can
find him certainly all over the internet now at Bill
O'Reilly dot com. He's got regular articles there. He is
a best selling author who has got one bestseller after another.

(16:47):
And we were just actually talking about Whoopy Goldberg said
Bill that Trump will just have no legacy whatsoever and
he will vanish on the Idiot Show, the view she
enjoys appearing on, and Bucket and I both feel like
Trump is definitely the most consequential figure of the twenty

(17:08):
first century.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
And Bill, I said, I would put.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Trump right now behind only Reagan in my life as
the best presidents. Now, you're a little bit older than me,
but I was born in the last year of Jimmy
Carter's presidency. You're a history guy, though, where would you
put Trump? And how do you assess Biden? Since we
know Biden's ten years over? How do you think history

(17:32):
views this era of those guys?

Speaker 5 (17:35):
Well, first of all, we have to take Whipopy Goldberg
seriously because she was in a movie called Ghost where
she could see everything that happened, So I'm sure that's
carried over to her real life. And we know she's
a PhD in history and political science, a combination which
is extraordinary. So we can't just dismiss miss Goldberg out

(17:56):
of hand. I'm being, of course to see I read
a book called Confronting the President's which is right behind
Confronting Evil, which is out now. We twined them up.
By the way. You get both books on Bill O'Reilly
dot com for very fine price. Now, every time I
see President Trump, and the last time was five days

(18:18):
ago in the White House, so he's spent forty minutes
with him, he's asking me the same question that you
just asked me, So what's my legacy? Am I number
one yet? And you know I can't be. He's never
going to be number one. Abraham Lincoln will always be
the best president the United States.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Hold up the president. You're at the Oval Office. This
is a great scene. You're in the Oval Office with
the president, and the president, who trusts your historical acumen,
is saying, hey, Bill, how do you rank that? This
is very very funny. So he's asking you directly, hey
where do I rank right now? And you told him,
I mean, I love this. You told him what exactly?

Speaker 5 (19:01):
I told him that you know he's going I should
be number one? That's the saymenty megs, I said, You'll
never be number one, you know me, I mean, I
don't pander to anybody. I said, You're never going to
be number one because Lincoln was so extraordinary and held
the Union together when few other presidents would have been
able to do that. But you're in the top ten

(19:22):
right now. And you're the hardest working president of all time.
No president has ever approached the work ethic of Donald Trump,
and it is not even closed. There's not even a
close second to that. And I said, but a lot
of your policies are yet to be known as far

(19:47):
as their effectiveness is concerned. You got the border in
your pocket, okay, And you also have accomplishments because you
followed the second worst president in our history, Joe Biden,
only James Buchanan, who led up to Lincoln and who
was an abject coward and allowed the South to arm

(20:09):
itself for four years in preparation of the War of
Rebellion and began and did nothing, knew it was too
afraid to do anything about it. Worst president ever, Biden's
number two. Why because in four years Joe Biden did
not solve one problem in this country, not one. And

(20:33):
all my liberal friends who voted for him and Kamala Harris.
When I say to them very politely, because I don't
get angry about political differences, that's foolish when I say,
all right, give me one thing that he did, Joe.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
I'm sorry, Bill, I got to jump in real quick.
You're leading out that President Biden solved Hunter's legal issues, which,
to be fair, he swooped in on that.

Speaker 5 (20:57):
Okay, well, I'll I'll debate you on that any time
you want. But they, the people voted for him, cannot
come up with one.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Well, they certainly don't care that Hunter got a pardon,
or if they do, I think they don't like it.

Speaker 5 (21:14):
But you're right, if it were Donald Trump, junior President
Trump would have done the same thing. So I'm an
honest guy. Yeah, all right, So.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
I was kidding Hi about the pardon thing. I'm not
trying to divert you from what you're saying. He clearly
is a terrible president who didn't manage to solve much
of anything. But I also wanted to ask you, Bill,
if I could the president, the current president, who you
say is excellent, not number one. He probably was a
little miffed at that, but that's okay. He's an excellent president.
He's going on a affordability tour of sorts, going to

(21:49):
eastern Pennsylvania, because I think there's a recognition even in
this White House that despite the excellent policies, there's frustration
with the economy on affordability. Do you think Trump's making
the right move here by going Do you think that
this is something that the White House can successfully address
so we don't lose the control of a house in
the midterms.

Speaker 5 (22:08):
Well, on the night before Thanksgiving, I was at the
Islander hockey game and the puck was about to drop,
and I got a phone call from President Trump right
at the game. Now, when a president calls, so you
got to take the call. He can't go to voicemail,
all right, So I got a private office. The owner

(22:28):
of the team is a friend of mine, and President
Trump can proceed to yell at me for ten minutes,
all right, which is not unusual, all right, And when
he gets going, you can't interrupt. He's essence of the
disenchantment with O'Reilly was that I was reporting that the

(22:50):
affordability situation could very much hurt him because it all
he has to do is go back to twenty eighteen
terms you got whacked. Trump got whacked and Obama got whacked.
And in terms of very difficult to hold power, and
the press is pounding every second, affordability, affordability, affordability. Now,

(23:17):
the stats are not bad for Trump, they're not, in fact.
On the now Spin News tonight, I'll lay them all
out for you. But if you have a specific stat
you want, I'll give it to you. And now, the
economy is in pretty good shape. Stock market's good for
one K people, retirement, plant people, prospering. You can get

(23:39):
a job if you want. Wages are up, Bacon is up.
If you like bacon, you're paying more of a bacon, okay,
But a whole number of other foods are down. So
this is a contrived thing. With one exception. Insurance call

(24:00):
us are killing working Americans, killing them health insurance, car insurance,
house insurance. That after President Trump got through yelling at me,
I said, all right, it's my job to report what's happening,
mister president. Of course you're not going to like some
of it, but I'm fair. This is what you have

(24:24):
to do. You got to get out there and you've
got to tell people. In twenty six here's what we're
going to do to bring down these prices very specifically.
So I think he followed my advice, but I'm sure
he got that advice from other people as well. I'm
not taking credit for it. And he's out in Pennsylvania tonight.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Bill. This is a little bit of a pivot.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
But the last time we had you on, we had
a caller who wanted us to ask you about Patent's
death and whether you bought into and I know you
wrote about the death of pat in your Killing series.
What you thought about is death and whether he wrote
a book He's Killing Patent. Yeah, whether what your take

(25:09):
is on that death and what occurred.

Speaker 5 (25:13):
Okay, first of all, you get all the books, and
this is a shameless plug, but you guys are nice.
You can get all thirteen Killing books in the two
Confronting books in one package on Bill O'Reilly dot com,
which will save you hundreds of dollars in Christmas gift
expenses because people want these books. Okay, so you get

(25:36):
fifteen youdele them out. You add up the money that
you spent on that as opposed to what you would
spend on fifteen individual gifts. Your way ahead, Bill O'Reilly,
dot Com killing Patten. We walk through the whole career
of the best American general in World War Two, second
best in history next to John Pershing. Pershing was the best. Okay,

(26:01):
Patton was second. At the end of his life, many
very strange things happened to George Patten. None of them
added up. He should not have died in that hospital
in Luxembourg. So a lot of people, including me, suspect

(26:23):
that he was murdered. Who would want to murder him?
Russia stalin Soviet Union, and they had access because you remember,
they were our allies in World War Two, because Patten
wanted to fight them. He did not want to stop
because he knew that the Soviet Union was going to

(26:44):
be replace Hitler in the Nazis is our main enemy.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
So when you say he was killed, sorry to cut
you off, do you mean that in the poisoned in
the wake of the car accident while he was recovering.

Speaker 5 (26:58):
Okay, in the hospital and the car accident itself did
not make any sense, and we trace it in killing Tat.
It did not make any sense. So anyway that I'm
not a conspiracy guy. You guys know that I don't
deal with that. I am a reporter and what I

(27:21):
lay out is one hundred percent accurate. The only resolution
to this is to exhoom the general's body, which is
in europe a test. They did that for Zachary Taylor.
Zachary Taylor got that treatment. They won't do it for Patten.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yeah, And do we have a caller, Dad, Bill?

Speaker 1 (27:47):
We had a caller who called in who said, who
claimed that his father was the driver for the car
when Patten was.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
In that accident you mentioned. Just wanted you to hear this.
This is thirty one.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
You say your dad was driving the car when Patten
was killed, when he died in the car accident.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Yes, he was Okay, Well, what did your dad tell
you about that?

Speaker 6 (28:09):
He actually died nine days later. He was driving a
thirty eight Cadillac Limo and Patton was sitting in the
back on the edge of the seat as usual, and
they were waiting for a train to pass, and he
put in a pass. He pulled away. He got up
to about twenty five miles an hour, and there was
a personnel carrier about a quarter mile down the road

(28:29):
that pulled out at the same time. And when they
got to each other, the personnel carrier turned right into
the Cadillac, and Patton flew forward, hit his forehead on
the partition between the front and back, scalped his you know,
put to the scalp himself and broke his neck.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
And so from your perspective, your dad told you there
is no conspiracy there. It's for people out there that
have bought not believe that this was a traffic accident
and it was a freak accident in some way based
on the Patton died.

Speaker 6 (29:01):
Yeah, I did, never talked about any conspiracies about it
or anything like that. But I mean there's three drunkie
guys that all disappeared, you know, they were they were
in the personnel career, and uh, you know, Patton's starting
to do a lot better and then he died this
all of a sudden.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Take it away. What do you make of it?

Speaker 5 (29:22):
Man? I believe that his father was the driver, the
three soldiers he fighted. That that is unbelievable evidence. I mean,
when you get a general, a four star, dying in
this kind of circumstance, you would interview everybody, and nothing

(29:42):
was done. Nothing was done. Washington's here to Patten. That
would be Harry Truman, the Democratic Party because Patten was
going to run for president. He's going to come back
to the United States and run just as Eisenhower did,
and Eisenhower of course won. And so there were a
lot of reasons that Patten had a lot of enemies,

(30:04):
but the big enemy was Stalin, and Stalin had access.
So I'm not saying that Patten was murdered because I
cannot prove it. What I am saying is that you
could find out if this general was poisoned or not,
and nobody is apparently wants to do that.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
So that's the point about he had a turn for
the worse in the hospital. I mean that was It's
interesting that he was. It seemed he was getting better
than all of a sudden, And so you're saying that
all of a sudden, to you is very suspicious. You'd
like to get to the bottom of it, or people
to get to the bottom of it. With the testing
of Patten's remains.

Speaker 5 (30:46):
Yeah, if you read Killing Patten, anybody very interested in
this subject, should we really walk through it in a
non hysterical way, so we have all the eyewitness reports
in there, and you know, in my style, my style
is I'm not boring you. I am moving this story along,

(31:08):
but I'm not a guy who ordinarily buys into this stuff.
But here you had motive, you had accessibility, you had
enemies both abroad and at home. And George is a
tough guy. He was a big, strong guy, and it

(31:29):
just doesn't stack Bill.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Thank you for hanging out with us here. Good Christmas gift.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
As you said, Bill O'Reilly dot com for not only
kill real quick, I know.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
You got to hit a break. President Trump asked me
to give him Confronting Evil, specifically for the chapter on Putin,
because we trace that what has happened to Putin, he's
not the same guy that Trump was dealing with in

(32:01):
the first term. And the President wrote me a really
nice note after he read Confronting Evil. So I just
want people to know that that is out there.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
That's outstanding. Thank you for the background stories. We'll talk
to you again, probably after the first of the new year.
Merry Christmas, Happy New Year to you.

Speaker 5 (32:23):
Okay, guys, you too, have fun. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
That's Bill O'Reilly.

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Speaker 2 (34:03):
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Speaker 1 (34:06):
Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. So we
have much to discuss with the Trump round table that
occurred yesterday.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
We're just talking to Bill.

Speaker 7 (34:15):
O'Reilly about the situation of affordability, and Bill is saying
that there's a lot of perception driving that, more so
even than the actual cold hard numbers if you look
into it, which I'm sure that is the case.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
But Trump at an ECON round table. Look, he's going
to Pennsylvania to address affordability because it's a political issue,
whether the numbers bear that out entirely or not. And
a lot of people do feel like, well, first of all,
prices are high, they've remained high. So you have to
get into Okay, is it that affordability is not an issue,
or is that it's not Trump's fault that affordability is

(34:52):
an issue, or a whole range of things, but one
thing that is definitely. The case that came up is Obamacare, Clay.
These new Obamacare premiums, they're just going up and up,
and networks are getting smaller and smaller, and sure enough,
the whole promise of Obamacare is falling apart. And that's
been the case for a long time. Trump here this

(35:14):
is cut twenty one, was saying, Look, it's been great
for the insurance companies. It's been really bad for people
that actually need healthcare.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Play twenty one.

Speaker 8 (35:21):
The insurance companies stock has gone up by seventeen eighteen
hundred percent.

Speaker 9 (35:26):
They're taking in trillions of dollars.

Speaker 10 (35:29):
I don't want to pay the insurance companies anything, and
then I know a lot of them, but they're owned
by the Democrats, and the Democrats have Obamacare is a setup.

Speaker 9 (35:39):
To make insurance companies rich.

Speaker 8 (35:41):
And I want to pay the people, and I want
the people to go out and buy their own healthcare.
And that's what we want to do, and that's what
the Republicans want to do, because Obamacare is a disaster.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Clay, it is a disaster, and it's time Republicans dig
into this so that Democrats can't control the message.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
And going into the midterms, all of healthcare. It is
a disaster.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
And I don't care if you're a Democrat, Republican or independent.
Nobody has any idea what things cost. Nobody is happy.
I would submit to you that everyone's least favorite thing
almost in the world is having to get on the
phone with an insurance company adjuster and try to explain
why you're being overcharged. To the extent that you can

(36:25):
even tell what your bill has on it. It is
all just a huge game of hide the hide the ball.
And what Trump is saying is in essence a very
real position, and honestly, I think most people out there
would probably prefer this. It's let you have the money

(36:47):
and then make your own decisions about what healthcare you need.
I don't even think most people realize, if they're not
the employer, what percentage of your overall salary goes for healthcare. Now,
this is crazy. I mean, there are lots of people
out there paying twenty five thirty thirty five thousand dollars

(37:08):
a year for your health care plans inside of whatever
job you get, and you don't see that money, you
don't have any idea how it's being allocated. I think
huge percentages of people out there listening to us would
like to get all of that money tax free to
themselves and then be able to make the choices about
how to best allocate those resources for them and their family.

(37:32):
And so what we basically have is a huge subsidy
for all the health insurance companies of America. That is
what Obamacare is. And the problem here, Buck is the math.
We have way more older people entering into needing substantial
amounts of health care than we do young people. And

(37:52):
by the way, this is not just for health care,
this is social security, this is everything. All of these
government policies are predicated on constantly having way more young
people than we do old people.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
And in the next.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Twenty thirty forty years, the reality is we're going to
have way more old people than we are young people.
And that's true in a lot of countries. And the
shell game, the hide the ball aspects of this are
going to become more and more prominent, and people are
going to get angrier because they don't feel like they're
getting a good value for their money. I mean, I
hate to say it, but this is part of what

(38:26):
motivated the United Healthcare CEO shooting. Is people are just
misallocating anger, and in many ways lashing out when.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
You see what the real structure of Obamacare is.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
You have to have a lot of young, healthy people
who don't use very much in the way of healthcare
resources to spend into a system that is going to
put a huge majority of it on older, sicker people.
And that's what so the whole system is a redistribution
of wealth via healthcare. And then beyond that, there's also

(39:00):
people who are getting subsidized in the programs and all
these exchanges. That's what was really an issue in this shutdown.
Government just funneling money into it to make it seem
not as bad as it really is for individuals. But
you have a lot of people who are getting massive
subsidies because if they had to pay what the market
rate is based upon the system of redistribution, the pricing

(39:21):
on this would be insane. I mean, you'd be paying
fifty grand a year for health insurance, remember, not for
health care.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
You're still on the hook to pay for.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Your health care, you know, you know, twenty percent of
the one hundred percent of the whatever percent they say,
it's like, oh, you know, customary and normal or however
they phrase the language so that they can play all
these games the insurance companies. So that's a giant mess.
And then there's also this because we've been discussing the
boat strikes in mostly in the Caribbean against the Narco terrorists.

(39:51):
This is Trump with ABC's Rachel Scott. A little bit
of a back and forth here. There's now a pushplay
to have the video release because clearly we have video.
They were under ISAs, are there under surveillance. This has
cut twenty Trump doesn't like this request.

Speaker 9 (40:06):
Whatever heckseet wants to do is okay with you. He
now said it's under review.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Are you ordering the secretary to release that full video?

Speaker 9 (40:13):
Whatever he decides, it's okay with me.

Speaker 10 (40:15):
So every boat we knock out of the water, every
boat we saved twenty five thousand American lives.

Speaker 9 (40:21):
That was a boat loaded up with drugs. I saw
the video.

Speaker 8 (40:24):
They were trying to turn the boat back to where
it could float.

Speaker 5 (40:30):
Video.

Speaker 9 (40:30):
Didn't I just tell you that said obnoxious reporter in
the whole place.

Speaker 8 (40:35):
Let me just tell you you are an obnoxious, a
terrible actually a terrible reporter.

Speaker 9 (40:40):
And it's always the same thing with you. I told you,
whatever Pete hegseet wants to do? Is okay with me?

Speaker 1 (40:47):
There you go, Clay laying it down. They're trying to
create a fall guy here. They tried to create the
Admiral as the fall guy. They tried to create hag
Set as the fall guy. They've tried to create Trump
as the fall guy. This story, other than on the
far left wing, has vanished as soon as the video
was shown in behind closed Doors in Congress. Now, I

(41:09):
know some Democrats came out and they said, oh my goodness,
I can't believe this happened. But the fact that the
story vanished kind of tells you what the video is
going to show. And I presume the video will show
what has been reported already. And the numbers came out
from the Harvard Harris poll that I believe it was
fifty eight percent of Americans support the strikes that are

(41:30):
going on with Venezuelan Narco boats, forty two percent disagree.
And I bet if you show that video that it'll
break down. About sixty percent of people will say, yeah,
I agree with that, and about forty percent will say no,
I disagree. But this is the world in which we're in,

(41:50):
where you kind of have people floundering in every direction
trying to find something to be able to pin to Trump,
and so far they really aren't able to find anything.
And I think it's going to be a challenge going
forward how exactly they convey their anger over Trump. And

(42:12):
we come back, we can play audio because Susie Wilds
Buck is telling everybody that Trump plans to be on
the road campaigning, starting in Pennsylvania right now to sell
the agenda that he has put in place, and I
grabbed a picture. I need to tweet it out again.
I think a large degree of Trump's success is just

(42:33):
being ignored because he saw things so quickly on the
border that almost no one is able to even contemplate
how quickly he saw things. And I was reading our
buddy Ryan Gardusky this morning as I was doing my prep.
The White House has said about two million people have
self deported and or been removed who are illegals. And

(42:55):
Ryan Gardusky looked at the data on newborns in the
country and he said, actually, the data does support the
idea that there are increasing numbers of people leaving the
country because they're not having kids. Non citizens, illegals are
not having kids at the rates that they were before,

(43:16):
But when you look at the graphic, it's really kind
of amazing to see. Yes, the Trump immigration policies are
working in ways that aren't even necessarily at the center
of the conversation on immigration, but are very very effective.
On the other side of things. You have Zoron Mamdani

(43:36):
in New York City telling people telling illegals how to
avoid law enforcement.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
This is cut twenty four. Listen to this.

Speaker 9 (43:44):
One if you encounter ICE.

Speaker 11 (43:47):
These are the things that every New Yorker should know.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
First.

Speaker 11 (43:50):
ICE cannot enter into private spaces like your home, school,
or private area of your workplace without a judicial warrant
signed by a judge. That looks like this does not
have a judicial warrant signed by a judge. You have
the right to say I do not consent to entry,
and the right to keep.

Speaker 5 (44:05):
Your door closed.

Speaker 11 (44:06):
Sometimes ICE will show you paperwork it looks like this
and tell you that they have the right to arrest you.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
That is false.

Speaker 11 (44:13):
ICE is legally allowed to lie to you, but you
have the right to remain silent. If you're being detained,
you may always ask am I free to go repeatedly
until I answer you. You are legally allowed to film
ice as long as you do not interfere with an arrest.
New Yorkers have a constitutional right to protest, and when
I'm there, we will protect that right.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
I had to say, imagine if you did this for drug dealers,
all of that would be true as well. Let me
be clear, everything that he said there is true in general,
for any criminal, for any violation of law. All of
that is true. But he's doing it for illegals because
they're a for Democrats, illegals are a protected class of

(44:51):
person Clay. And this is what is going to continue
to be a huge problem from this is what is
going to continue to drag them down because they can't
avoid that reality without completely inflaming the left wing base
of their party.

Speaker 6 (45:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Look, and they're on the wrong on this issue. They're
on the wrong on every issue, which is why I
think you're going to see them just try to pivot
and blame Trump for the fact that Biden's inflation drove
up the prices of good so substantially. That's the reality.
Even though inflation has come back down substantially where at

(45:27):
two point seven percent, I think target is two percent.
People are just angry, and I get it. Because it
feels like goods costs more than they should and until
that starts to settle in, that rapid increase becomes embedded
into our minds as to what things should cost. This
is the pernicious nature of inflation. It is diabolical in

(45:50):
its impact to frustrate everyone.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
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Speaker 1 (47:27):
Are you feeling that you feeling that steamroll coming your
way from the Mannheim Steamroller?

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Everybody? Yeah, I'm gonna take some flak here. Buck not
about this, Oh man.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
I was like, you're getting in the way of the steamroller, buddy,
You're go god stepping in front of not stepping in
front of the steamroller and getting flattened. Maybe even broader though.
I think Christmas music's overplayed. I was out to dinner
the other day Sunday night, went out to dinner, and
I could hear throughout the whole meal they.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Were playing Christmas music.

Speaker 5 (48:01):
Now.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Look, I used to work in retail back in the day.
American Eagle Outfitters may have heard of it. Abercrombie and Fitch,
and I know because we would have our holiday medley
and anybody who's ever worked in retail, it's the same
track over and over and over again. But there is
evidence to support that people buy more products when you

(48:22):
play Christmas music. So I get it in a retail setting.
I don't know that I need to hear it in
elevators everywhere.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
I don't know that I.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Need to hear it while I'm eating dinner. I would
be very very comfortable with. And I used to make
jokes about this in sports talk radio. We would stop
playing we would only play Christmas music starting in December.
I know we play a lot of Christmas music on
this do you know we get beat in ratings? Now,
you and me and everybody out there who does talk radio,

(48:50):
every community in America, Christmas music goes to number one,
we just get trounced and all they do is play
jingle bells over and over and over again, and so
I feel like we're inundated, frankly, with too much holiday music.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Does that make me sound like the Grinch?

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Or do you think most people agree with me that
it's impossible to escape and we don't need as much. No,
I think you're gonna get lit up over this one, buddy.
I'm just gonna step away from the blast radius. I
love Santa Claus and and all the Christmas cheer and
music and everything else.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Just telling you, ho ho ho, I'm the I'm the Grinch.
I'll own it.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
There's too much Christmas music and all facets of life.
I don't need to hear it everywhere. I'll tell you this.
I believe I've referred to it before as going Grinch,
or maybe other people have coined that and I just
picked it up.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
I don't know, but that's what I say. I don't want.
There are certain categories here. Children. Yes, give them gifts,
but not a ton of gifts.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Okay, you shouldn't want Your living room should not look
like a you know, a Toys or Russ After five
hundred kids have like rummaged through all the packaging or something.
I guess it's toys Rus even exists anymore. That used
to be a we ruined toy stores were this this
thing and they had all this g I Joe's and
he Man Made in China Toys are us was incredible.

(50:08):
They'd shut them all down. Remember KB Toys in the mall. Yeah,
they used to have KB toys and Walden Books. You
had one. When I was growing up, we had one
toy store before the toys rs came to town, and
we only had one bookstore for basically my whole life.
We had Walden Books in the local mall and those
were everywhere. I don't think either of them exist anymore.

(50:29):
I think Walden Books is gone.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
So you know, there was a time when you had
the first of all, I've always.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Hated the pressure of you got to get gifts for
all these people, especially get gifts for people then maybe
you don't know that, well whatever, here's what I would say.
You get gifts for kids under eighteen in your family,
you know, your kids, your own children, nieces, nephews.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Yes, you get thing.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
It's like we're gonna get little speed gifts. Although it's
not like he can remember them. He's eight months old.
But you know we do. We do that fine. My
little nieces and nephews. We give them gifts too, you know.
And I'm an I tell you this. In this household,
I contribute to Nis and nephew h college funds.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
That's what I every year. I'm just like, I contribute.

Speaker 5 (51:08):
Now.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
I know that doesn't sound like, you know, like what
Santa Claus would do. Let me tell you something. I
do it every year.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
That is such an old man moved by the way.
I'm not. I'm not this few.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
You're too young to be doing college fund contributions for
your thesis.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
What are you actually actually? That is nonsense.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
I don't want all the financial planner Dave Ramsey. When
I need him, I need Dave Ramsey here. Dave would
support my five twenty nine plan. Your contributions for donations
are amazing. You're too young to be going straight And
the college donations. I am wrapping myself in the mantle
of uncle uncle Dave Ramsey on this one. He would

(51:48):
totally approve. So I did the five five to twenty
nine planned contributions.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Uh. And so there's that.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
And then obviously, uh, gifts, bonuses, things like that, people
you work with, people who work for you, whatever it
is that they're and and really it's like money is
really what people. They actually don't want some beige sweater.
They actually just want money so they can, you know,
have money in their bank account. They can do with
what they want. I we stopped doing presence among the

(52:15):
adults in my immediate family at my I wouldn't say.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Demand, but I pretty much demanded this. I think. I
don't know if my dad's listening.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
I think when he gave me a belt for the
fourth year in a row, I was like, he's not
going to be happy with me telling this story.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
But I think when he gave me a.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Belt four years in a row, the belt's different or
was it like different color belts? Was it like black
leather belts, like maybe slightly different buckle on them.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
But he was just like, here you go. So I'm like,
here's a belt.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
I was like, thank you. I'm going to add it
to my belt collection. So which is all from you?
Because I don't even really wear belts. So I will
say that we decided as a family to get rid
of that pressure to get things last minute. It is
so great. It is such a nice you know, you
don't have to get to just everyone, just stop with
this stuff. Christmas is for those of us who are Christians.

(53:05):
Christmas is actually supposed to be about the celebration of
something holy. It is about to be It's supposed to
be about the celebration as well of family and being
together and reflecting on the year.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
It's really not.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Supposed to be get me the Gi Joe aircraft carrier, mommy,
or you don't love me, Like, that's not what it's
and it's not supposed to be. Hey, uncle Phil, thanks
for bringing me these socks with tree frogs on them.
It's what I've always wanted. Like, no, we don't need
to do this. Here's where I will co sign. And
now this is gonna make me sound really grinchy. I

(53:39):
don't think anybody over the age of eighteen should get
gifts for Christmas. Yes, I think you should only get
gifts for kids. Sanna, that's fun. I don't even know
you need to go to eighteen, but let's say to
eighteen after that. Like, I don't like, I'm not super
excited to open gifts. I'm not super I have zero
interest in biding add to what you're saying, because obviously

(54:01):
you I appreciate this. You see what I see also
play we all walk around now. Twenty years ago, it
was different. You know, if you really wanted that thing
from the Sharper Image, you had to get out that
Remember that guy is a Sharper Image. You had to
get out that catalog. You had to order it, It
had to arrive. It took ten days or a month
or whatever. I can get anything I want delivered tomorrow.

(54:24):
I actually don't want for any material thing in a
way that someone's going to give it to me for
and it's gonna carry so funny.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
She's like, well, shouldn't I get you? I'm like, no, honey,
I love you.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
Don't buy me an expensive watch with my own money,
like I've got it. I'm fine, Like I don't need that,
I don't want that. I'm wearing a rubber wedding room
right now because I can't even find my wedding ring,
which is driving me nuts.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
So that's where we are.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
I agree with all that we probably have destroyed eighty
percent of the Christmas holiday spirit out there in this segment. Yeah,
except for our sponsors. Christmas gifts of plenty. That's where
you gotta go. Don't ever forget that Crockett Coffee love
to get you coffee for Christmas because.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
You need that.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
No, but I just really mean the gifts for immediate
family members that you know. Come on, I am sold
on only kids should get Christmas gifts. I think it
would be a revolutionary thing that would actually be super
beneficial to the country. Not to mention the number of
men that just get blown up every year because they're
like your dad buying belts because they have no idea
what to get people. I mean, what do you get

(55:24):
to your point? Like, do you know I mean wallets
I had amassed over the years for my dad giving
me tes ties. I mean every dad out there ties,
even moms, Like where's that great Saturday Night Live skit
that they did which was actually very funny And mom
got a robe?

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Do you remember that?

Speaker 1 (55:42):
Like it's a great song, you know, Like because Mom's
responsible for buying gifts for everybody and then every year
she gets a coffee mug or a robe or whatever
it is. Yeah, No, I agree. By the way, I
didn't expect to get this criticism today. Steve and Eden
North Carolina. He's fired.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Buck.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
I don't know if you know the criticism coming our way,
But Steve, what you got for us?

Speaker 5 (56:06):
Hey?

Speaker 12 (56:08):
Hey Buck, this ain't you son? This is another Steve.
But anyway, you know, every time I hear people talking
about the greatest president, I wouldn't get erked a little bit.
I mean, everybody pretty much says Abraham Lincoln, what about
George Washington?

Speaker 1 (56:23):
So you think the show, Steve, remember, yeah, you think
that the show has been too disrespectful of George Washington today,
I'm not I actually would co sign Steve on this.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Steve.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Just to be clear, I didn't say that was Bill
O'Reilly who said Abraham Lincoln's clear number one I would
put I would put gw on the number one spot,
no question in my mind, for a whole bunch of reasons.

Speaker 12 (56:45):
How could you not?

Speaker 2 (56:47):
I'm with you, buddy, I don't know. I'd actually i'd
actually put in.

Speaker 12 (56:51):
Below you created with us having the United States of America.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Look here I'm reading right now, Rick Atkinson, great Triller.
He's on volume two, all about the Revolutionary War. I
would actually put Washington three. I think that i'd.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Put him now. He's just trolling you, Steve. He's just trolling.
I'm telling you right now, i'd put him third.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
I think you gotta go Lincoln one, because I don't
think we would have a country if Lincoln hadn't stepped up.
And I would go to Jefferson because I think the
Louisiana purchase was probably the most important decision that anybody made. Now,
when you're talking gold bront gold, silver bronze, like that
is pretty good stuff. Let me also, I'm gonna really
fire Steve up. Thank you for the call, Steve. I

(57:35):
think he was confusing Speed with Steve. He thought your
son's name is Speed, not my son's name is actually
like going fast, which is what Clay does in a car,
the opposite of what I do in a car. But
Speed is my son's name, not Steve. But close enough. Okay,
So I think Washington's actually overrated in some respects. He

(57:59):
was actually not a very good general. He made a
lot of awful choices. If you go study George Washington
in the revenue was out gone.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
But I can't just let you this is Geg. Listen,
mister Civil war buff you're just getting crazy here. Okay.
First of all, big G Dubs. G.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
Dubbs kept the army together fighting the most impressive certainly
navy and overall, I think you could argue military machine
in the world at that time. The French would have
been right there with them. But you know, we all
know how that went for them when their revolution started.
Point being, he did an amazing job holding them together.
But that's as a general, as president, for him to

(58:35):
be there to preside, to step aside when the time came,
to be the father of the nation, not to allow
factionalism to pull it all apart at the seams in
the earliest days. Not to let that pompous Adams I
get the titles of nobility going. I'm just saying, I'm
just gonna fire away on Washington here. Not a very
good general on the battlefield. You're right, he held them together.

(58:58):
Second would have been a big scan back in the day.
Do you know he refused to take a stout salary
but just did an expense account instead and ran up
exorbitant costs as the president of the United States, Kane,
he had to.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Throw some parties. We top throwing a party this week,
you know what I mean, buddy.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
It's expensive such that they had to go back in
and actually say no, no, no, we need to give
the president a salary because g DUB.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
I don't want to.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
I don't want to throw her under the bus here.
Maybe Martha had expensive taste. Not a lot of criticism
for Martha Washington these days. I think if you go
back and look at the g DUB expense account, Martha
ran up a lot of money there and such that
they decided, you know what, maybe we need to have
a salary. Jefferson picked the wrong Jefferson thought that the

(59:44):
French Revolution was a good idea and it was going
to work out. Jefferson was on the wrong side of
some big stuff. I like his Barbary pirates move. That
was pretty slick. That was good.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
We didn't really have which Stanna purchase was good.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Probably shouldn't have slept with a slave if we want
to go, you know, Mike ro manage Jefferson's Uh, there's
a lot of there's just that. So there's a lot
of dispute over whether that actually occurred. Sir, I'll let
it go. Some of some people are going to tell
you that they have what what is the evidence for that?

Speaker 13 (01:00:10):
Again?

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
I mean, the evidence for it is pretty.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Could have well it in definitely a Jefferson at some
point was involved in being the progenitor. Is that the
right word of of it was either a could have
been a brother could have been, Like the DNA is
the DNA. You know, It's just been a nice quiet
on the show. And Clay is deciding to throw g

(01:00:33):
Dubs under the bus. He's deciding that that Jefferson's private
life is something that is very much has some problematic
aspect to it, although, like I said, this is very
disputed whether this actually occurred or not. Jim in Clearwater,
Florida wants to talk presence. He's gonna bring us back
in line here. What's going on?

Speaker 5 (01:00:53):
Jim?

Speaker 12 (01:00:55):
Hey, guys, I've been listening since uh so since.

Speaker 13 (01:00:58):
Rush back in like eighty eight, but thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:01:00):
So.

Speaker 13 (01:01:01):
My family has solved the issue of buying adults presents.
We download an app called a draw Names and I
think that's the name of it, and we do a
bottle swap. You kind of know everybody's favorite kind of
liquor or wine or whatever, and you can try to
find something unique that they wouldn't normally think of or
say or buy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Yeah, look, I think that kind of thing is cool.
I think that's fine. I just I'm on buck side
here in that it used to be that it was
kind of difficult to get things purchased. I don't remember
the last time I thought, boy, you know, I can't
find X and I really need it. I said X,

(01:01:44):
because that's a it might've been misheard. And if you do,
like in this day and age, it's not that hard
to be able to get whatever you want purchased now.
To be fair, I buy things at Amazon almost always books,
and Osco almost always Kirkling brand clothes. So I you know,

(01:02:04):
I got my family members. I got my family members
like early edition antique books one year that I thought
would all for individuals, and I thought I was. I
think they all ended up as coasters on like the
sides of you know, various desks.

Speaker 6 (01:02:16):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
So I've tried the uh, I've tried the special gift
thing too, and you know what, they didn't They didn't
like my my third edition Mark Twain or whatever. So
you know what, fine, you know what sends the Travis
kids running for the hills. I read everything print newspaper.
I read all day long, every day, and I find
stories that I'm like, I know, this is the perfect

(01:02:39):
story for this son or even my wife. I don't
think any of them ever read it. I my dad
back in the day used to cut out articles. I
read them all. He would mail them to me, you know,
back in the day when you couldn't get local newspapers,
you're away at college whatever. I still have some of
those I read articles, and I'm like, oh, this is
perfect for my oldest son.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
He's gonna love this.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
We just had this commonversation, Oh, this is perfect for
middle son, youngest son, wife. And all I can see
in their face, oh, here's Dad with another reading assignment,
and it's like they're so disappointed that I'm bringing them
something to read. All I'm trying to do is just
increase their brain and make their world more expansive. And
all they think is Dad just gives us homework all

(01:03:19):
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