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Faith and Legacy of Charlie Kirk
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The conversation opens with reflections on the aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s death (presented here as a political assassination).
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Speakers emphasize how his passing led to a surge in open conversations about faith, particularly Christianity, in political circles.
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They describe memorial events where political leaders, including Donald Trump, focused more on God, unity, and faith than on politics.
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Testimonies highlight Kirk’s role in conservative politics and his attempts to foster dialogue, even with opponents like Van Jones.
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Unity and Political Dialogue
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Several anecdotes stress how Kirk worked to bring together people from different camps (e.g., Trump and Elon Musk, Van Jones).
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His death is framed as a catalyst for renewed hope, encouraging more civil discourse across political divides.
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Criticism of Media (Jimmy Kimmel/ABC)
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A significant section critiques Jimmy Kimmel and ABC News for misrepresenting Kirk’s assassin as a right-wing extremist.
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The speakers argue law enforcement confirmed the shooter was a leftist with Antifa and pro-transgender affiliations.
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They accuse Kimmel of spreading lies with serious consequences, though they oppose government censorship (via FCC), advocating instead for market accountability.
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Comedy, Free Speech, and Bias
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The transcript contrasts Jimmy Kimmel’s humor (labeled partisan and unfunny) with Jon Stewart’s satire, which they describe as genuine comedy—even when mocking conservatives.
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They argue comedy should target all sides, not just serve as partisan attacks.
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The conversation pivots to another violent attack: a gunman opened fire on an ICE facility in Dallas, killing and injuring multiple people before committing suicide.
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This attack is linked to rhetoric from left-leaning politicians and activists who have demonized ICE agents.
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Speakers argue that inflammatory political rhetoric has “real consequences,” drawing parallels to Kirk’s assassination.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome. It is Verdic with Ted Cruz, the Weekend Review,
Ben Ferguson with you, and here are the big stories
that you may have missed that we talked about. First
up Centator Cruz and I went to the memorial for
Charlie Kirk. We're going to talk about that memorial and
just how incredible it was to watch that level of
worship and honoring of God and the future legacy of
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Charlie Kirk. We're also going to talk about Jimmy Kimmel
being fired, but not really. It was a four day
vacation at ABC bringing him right back on the air.
And finally, it is the third time we've seen us
shooting alone in Texas, the second time in Dallas area
with ICE agents being targeted. So what's behind it? We'll
(00:42):
have that as well. It's the Weekend Review and it
starts right now. One of the things I think that
is so cool that came out of this that is
just something that no one could have planned, is how
many people are now sharing their own faith and sharing
the gospel. You and I have talked more about our
(01:04):
faith on this podcast in the last two weeks than
we have ever before, and it's not that we're afraid
to talk about our faith, but we talk a lot
about what's happening in the world in politics. Jd Vance said, and.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
That was something really profound. Jad said as he said
that he often felt uncomfortable talking about faith, and he
made the same comment that he's talked more about faith
in the last two weeks than he has probably in
his entire life.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
And I mean even this morning. I had two times
I was on Fox this morning before the before it started,
and the entire conversation was not about politics. The entire
conversation was about faith. Yeah, that his life being taken
has given the opportunity for all of us to share faith.
And I think in a more bold way, in a
(01:50):
more proud way, and a more I'm not afraid to
share my faith. I think sometimes I think I'm in
the world of politics and that's maybe not my place
to be doing that as much. I'm going to change
my mentality on that, I think forever moving forward.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
And I can think of very few sentiments that would
make Charlie happier than that.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, And it was the whole time, it was about faith.
If you look at today, I also think one of
the most incredible things was you and I were sitting
there with the most powerful people in the world, certainly
in the conservative movement where we're all in the political world,
and the entire thing was about God. I've never seen
that before. I've never been a part of that before.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
No, And at the very end, President Trump spoke and
he gave I think, very good remarks. But I want
you to listen to what he said, in particular about
Erica and her testimony. Here here, give a listen.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Did Charlie's incredible and beautiful widow, Erica. We know the
weight of this monumental loss is almost unbearable, but even
in the midst of heartache campaign too great to even fathom,
you have somehow found the strength and deep faith to
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be a comfort to millions and millions of people. And
thank you very much, Erica, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
You and I have seen Donald Trump give a lot
of speeches. This was one of the most I think, somber,
sincere and one of the most incredible speeches I think
by Donald Trump that had nothing to really.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Do with him.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Well, and President Trump knew Charlie. Well, Charlie has spent
a lot.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I think he's rattled by it.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Charlie. Charlie in the twenty sixteen campaign was Don Junior's
body man. He traveled with Don Junior all over the
country and Charlie helped mobilize young people for the twenty
sixteen election. He helped mobilize young people for the twenty
twenty election. He played a really, really integral part in
(03:55):
the victory in twenty twenty four. And President Trump has
spent a lot of time with Charlie Kirk. Just about
everyone in the White House has. I mean, it was
one of the things the entire White House has shaken.
This is not some distant person they don't know. This
touched almost everyone who works in the Trump administration had
(04:18):
connections to Charlie, had personal connections, and they were shaken
by it. And you know one of the bits of
news that broke this week that I thought it was
a small snippet, but it encapsulated who Charlie was well.
And Van Jones, you and I both know, well he's
very much a man of the left, maybe even far left.
(04:40):
He's not someone who you would typically envision saying nice
things about Charlie Kirk. But I want you to listen
to what he said in the last few days about
his last interaction with Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Charlie Kirk and I were not friends at all. In fact,
the last week of his life we were beef and hard,
beefing online, beefing on air. But the day before he died,
he did something that shocked me. He sent me a
personal message calling for personal dialogue. Wanted me to come
on the show. He said we could be gentlemen together.
(05:14):
He said we could deal with our disagreements agreeably. And
in the past week and a half, just watching people
talk about civil wars and censorship and all this stuff
coming out of his death, I just thought it was
important to let people know don't put that on Charlie Kirk,
because the last day of his life he was reaching
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out to have not more censorship, more conversation, more dialogue
with somebody who honestly was one of his adversaries. Me
and I just wanted to share that with the world,
and I hope that maybe it might help somebody on
both sides deal with issues more like he did.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Then putting that out there immediately brought me to today. You
and I were sitting there and we looked over to
the right of us, and you leaned over and you said,
there's Elon. And several weeks or months ago, Charlie had
said that he wanted Donald Trump and Elon to make up.
We then a few minutes later see Elon in the
(06:20):
box with President Trump. They hugged the President, patted him
on the chest, and he tweeted out a picture Elon
did of them talking, and all it said was for Charlie.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I mean, you want to.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Talk about bringing people back together.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
That's incredible, that's important, it's valuable. It is very much
a testament to Charlie. The legacy for Charlie. I will say,
I respect Van Jones for putting that out. You know
Van better than I do. But he didn't have to
put that out. He didn't have to say that. And
I do think it reflects who Charlie was, yea, And
(07:01):
I think the entire memorial today reflected. It was a
celebration of his life, and it was a proclamation of
the gospel and that I'm really grateful to have been
friends with Charlie. I'm really grateful to have a chance
(07:22):
to be there for the celebration because I think it
is going to have really profound impacts on our country.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
I think we're going to end up finding out down
the road that today was one of the biggest days,
not in politics with the biggest people in politics in
a room, but one of the biggest days for young
men and women accepting Christ and learning about the Lord
from this horrific moment in our history. And I think
you look at that bring all these people together, the
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way that he was doing it. I think it's going
to change the way we have dialogue and conversation. I
think my demeanor is probably gonna be different. I'm still
going to fight the good fight, and I'm still going
to fight hard, but I want to have better conversations
while doing it. I think everybody's temperature is going to
change a little bit and how we interact the way
that Charlie did it. And I left there today, and
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I don't know. I want to ask you this as
we wrap. I left there today more hopeful for the
future of this country, yes, than I have been in decades,
and more hopeful for the younger generation in this country
that they're going to see the light because I've been
very worried for quite some time. It's part of the
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reason why I do this is that we have lost
an entire generation to the radical left. I think we
are seeing a very quick pendulum shift that only God
could create and put people in a place to do it.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Absolutely. You know, I'm reminded of the Scripture, second Chronicle
seven fourteen. If my people, who are called by my
name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face
and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear
from heaven, and I will forgive their sins, and I
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will heal their land. That has been my prayer for
a long time, and I think today was, in a
very real sense, a great many people in America calling
out for God to hear our prayer and to heal
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our land. And I pray that that is the outcome
the path we are on, that we see revival. Our
country needs it now.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
If you want to hear the rest of this conversation,
you can go back and listen to the full podcast
from earlier this week. Now onto story number two. All right,
I want to pay you real quick to something that
just truly is hysterical, and that is ABC News. We
thought they had actually done the right thing, and we're
willing to say that, Yet no Jimmy Kimmel, You're not
(10:08):
going to go out there and lie about who assassinated
and what they believed in of Charlie Kirk. We now
know that the sin for doing that, for that crime
is a sentence of going on a vacation for about
six days, so less than a week. And ABC News like,
all right, we started back up on Tuesday night. Now
(10:30):
here's the other interesting thing. Not everybody's going along with this.
Next Star and Sinclair are saying no, they're not.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Going to be hearing it.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
They want a real apology for him before they think
about putting him back on the air. Your reaction to that.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Well, you and I are recording this show Tuesday night,
and as we're recording it, Kimmel has not yet gone
on air, So I don't know what he's going to say.
He might do all sorts of things. He might stand
up up and give a heartfelt apology. He might admit
that in his last show he told a lie, he
(11:09):
engaged in active disinformation. His sort of joke, which wasn't
remotely funny, was that the murderer of Charlie Kirk was
a right wing maga guy. Now that's a lie, and
it's a lie. With consequence. I mean, we've seen the
polling that shows a majority of Democrats believe Charlie Kirk's
(11:31):
killer was a right winger. Now that is a brazen lie.
Charlie Kirk's killer was radicalized. He was a leftist. Law
enforcement has said this over and over again. He was
living with his boyfriend who was a transgender, who was
a furry, who was a man transitioning to be a woman.
The killer engraved Antifa and transgender slogans on the casings
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that he used for the assassination. So there's no ambiguity.
This is a man of the left. And so maybe, maybe,
just maybe, and I may be holding out hope. Kimmel
stands up and gives a heartfelt apology, says I'm sorry,
and what happened to Charlie Kirk was horrific. It was
a political assassination. It is wrong, and it's clear this
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was not some right winger who did this. This was
a leftist. This is my side of the aisle. This
is Jimmy Kimmel speaking, and I'm sorry. If that happens.
I think the odds are very very high. You and
I almost regardless of what happens, are going to be
talking about this on Friday's pod. So on Friday, we'll
know what he said. We don't know what he said
right now. I think that's unlikely. Maybe I'll be proven wrong,
(12:43):
but I think it's unlikely that Kimmel. He may give
a half hearted apology. He may say I'm sorry some
people were offended. Maybe I actually think he's more likely
to be defiant and say, to hell with you everyone
who was offended by the lies that I told. But
we'll see what I will say. Look my view on Kimmel,
(13:04):
I think he is profoundly unfunny. He hasn't been funny
in years. There was a long time ago when he
could be a comedian, a thousand years ago, but then
partisanship and hate overcame him, and his show consists of
just relentlessly screaming I hate Donald Trump. I hate Donald Trump,
I hate Conservatives, I hate Republicans. By the way, frequently,
(13:29):
I hate Ted Cruz. Ever since I beat him at basketball,
I've lived rent free in his head. And the problem is, listen,
I'm as a Republican, I'm actually fine with comedy that
is roasting Republicans and Democrats. I think good comedy makes
fun of everyone. Actually, today I retweeted, so John Stewart
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did a whole riff on the Daily Show blasting me,
and it was funny as hell. He actually played a
clip from our last Verdict uh where you know where
where I talked about Kim Olenna and I did an
impression of of of of a godfather. Actually, I'll tell
(14:13):
you what. Let's play John Stewart because this is actually comedy.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I don't agree with John Stewart's politics, but Stuart is
actually funny. I mean he makes me laugh and and
and and so let's play the clip. I'm gonna play clip.
This is making fun of me. But to all our
Verdict listeners, this is me playing John Stewart, just mocking me,
and he does a very good job. He's a talented comedian.
I'm perfectly fine with with with comedians who mock me,
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as long as that's not all they do, as long
as they don't just scream I hate you, I hate you,
I hate you. But but they're actually funny. So here
was John Stewart on the Daily Show talking about it.
He's gonna quote Verdict and then he's just gonna mercilessly
mock me give a listen.
Speaker 6 (14:55):
Now, Cruz has supported this president through insults to his
own wife looks, and to his own father's loyalties, and
yet Cruz still manages to maintain a modicum of self
respect when it comes to this president trampling all over
a constitution, Sir, it brings me no pleasure.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
To have to play this.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Look. I like Brendan Carr. He's a good guy. He's
the chairman of the FCC. I work closely with him.
But what he said there is dangerous as hell.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Fan TASTI fan pasthi, Senator Ted Cruz, boldly stating that
the FCC chairman threatening the licenses of networks is dangerous.
And Senator Cruz, I would just say, maybe you should
stop there. I would stop there. I would not continue
(15:47):
with the thought perfect no notes, all right, go.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
On, And I got to say, he threatens it. He says,
we can do this thease way, or we could do
this the hard.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Way, the sort of routed the hard way.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Oh what kind of monster.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Have you ever heard? We could do that did way?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
God, we could do it.
Speaker 6 (16:25):
By god way, hazy odd.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
It's nothing, Godfather, that Lenny from Mice and Men.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
I get bunny.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
The bunny can do a dasy the hard way. You
got you got more, Senator? Do you?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
And I got to say, that's right out of good Fellows.
That that that that that that's right out of a
mafioso coming into a bar going nice bye. You have here.
It'd be a shame if something happened to it.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
That's not a good Fellaw's call. I know this because
all of my decorative pillows have good fellas called karma.
I mean I would go home. I would say, as
me at home.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Look at me.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Now, Senator, unless a man might tell you to go
home and get your shine box. But I don't because
you wouldn't even know what that means.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
Dead cruise. I mean to do that with goodfellas, but
that accent. Is there anything in pop culture that I
love that you can't ruin?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Dad? I'm a vegetarian. I don't eat animals, but Lisa,
animals are so delicious. There's the animal. We get bacon
from the animal, we get ham from the animal, we
get sausage from dad. That's all the same animal.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Smith has release the hounds eggs.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
They're not booing, they're saying boo earns. Imagine having to
endure a Texas power outage with this guy who wants
to hear my poo anyway, Well, he ruined my love
of the sentence. At least I've still got my favorite franchise,
(18:26):
Star Wars, all to myself, So I don't have the
force is strong with this storm.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
There is no try.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Do or do not.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
At best, he sounds like Yoda with a sinus infection,
trying not to come. Dore Duke, you may enjoy Star
(19:06):
Wars that Christ, but there's one thing will never have
in common, and that's my comfort movie. The Princess Bride,
a fantastical tale of adventure and true love with an
outstanding cast. Oh you know what's coming. You know what's
coming with an outstanding cast, including the inimitable Oh it
just roll it.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
So what does it you have that's so worth living
for presses on his chest and Wesley goes true liar,
shut up, witch, I'm not a witch. I'm your wife.
But after what you just said, I wish I wasn't.
Don't say that name what pumping, pumpting, hopping, humpet it.
I can't hear you?
Speaker 4 (19:41):
So whoa that was the straight But oh I'm like, oh,
the one man. So do you know how hard it
is to make Mario Lopez uncomfortable? Truely, Mario Lopez, the
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man who need I remind you did this dance in
a tank tee in front of everyone at the Max.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
All Right, I gotta say I'm laughing a little bit
because it is pretty good roast. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Look, Ben, that's hysterical. I do like to do impressions.
I'm not particularly great at him, but I have fun
and I like pop culture. But like, that's actual comedy.
Like I'm gonna make a prediction right now. What John
Stewart just did there is one hundred thousand times funnier
than whatever Jimmy Kimmel will do tonight. So we'll see
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what he does. But look, the point that I made
in this podcast is the federal government, the FCC, should
not be threatening the licenses of ABC in order to
force them to take someone off the air, even someone
incredibly unfunny with terrible ratings who gets one point one
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million views, which means he gets fewer views and listens
than Verdict. Does we beat Jimmy Kimmel regularly, and someone
who was actively lying about a political assassination. I think
all of those are reasons for ABC to fire him,
But I don't think the federal government should be forcing
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ABC to fire him. Why because look, when Biden was president,
the Biden FCC tried to yank Fox News's license, and
I led the fight against it. We beat them, we
stopped them from doing it. You know what, if we
embrace the FCC stripping licenses from anyone who says something
you disagree with, the next Democrat president who gets in
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the White House will do this, and will come after,
will come after everyone right of center, and so that
is that is a slippery slope to oblivion. But at
the same time, understand, just because I'm saying the federal
government shouldn't force Kimmel off the air, I think market
forces should. And it's interesting that that sixty six ABC
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stations did not carry the Kimmel program tonight. And if
there are enough market forces, ABC ultimately will respond to them.
I think market forces are a great check for horrific, unfunny, partisan,
dishonest speech. And by the way, if you're dishonest enough,
there could also be legal liability and litigation and all
(22:33):
sorts of consequences that come when you lie on air.
I just don't think it should be government regulators saying
we don't agree with the politics of your speech, so
we're taking your license. But that being said, the world
is better off without an unfunny, dishonest left wing partisan
who lies to the American people. And sadly, there was
(22:56):
a time when Jimmy Kimmel could be funny, but that's
what he has become.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah, great point, as before. If you want to hear
the rest of this conversation on this topic, you can
go back and dow the podcast from early this week
to hear the entire thing. I want to get back
to the big story number three of the week. You
may have missed, Senator, you were in Dallas when this
shooting happened. It was eight hours after we watched Gavin
(23:21):
Newsom go on late night TV demonizing ICE agents, saying
that they are authoritarian. And then the liberals are like, wait, wait,
we're not attacking ICE agents. Yes they are. They've undermined them,
they've demonized them, and we were watching attack after attack
happen against ICE agents. It's horrific.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yeah, I was in Dallas this week for a series
of unrelated meetings, and the news broke that this strange
gunman had opened fire on an ICE facility in Dallas.
That he had gone onto a rooftop emulating Charlie Kirk's
assassin and with a bolt action rifle fired multiple rounds,
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ended up killing two people severely injuring a third. And
then then he took the gun to himself and took
his own life. And it was horrific. When the news broke,
I canceled my morning meeting and just drove over to
the ICE facility that morning was there, was there shortly
after the shooting had occurred. And this has happened far
too often. Here's what I had to say at the
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press conference that was ongoing when I arrived at the facility.
If this needs to stop, violence is wrong, Politically motivated
violence is wrong. It was two weeks ago today that
we saw political assassination in Utah that tore the heart
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out of much of this country. This is the third
shooting in Texas directed at ICE or CBP. This must stop.
To every politician who is using rhetoric demonizing ICE and
demonizing CBP, stop to every politician demanding that ICE agents
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be dosed and calling for people to go after their families. Stop.
This has very real consequences. Look in America, we disagree.
That's fine, that's the democratic process. But your political opponents
are not Nazis. We need to learn to work together
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without demonizing each other, without attacking each other. And I
want to say thank you. I want to say thank
you to the brave men and women of law enforcement.
I want to say thank you to the brave men
and women of ICE and CBP and everyone who puts
their lives on the lines to keep us safe. The
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divisive rhetoric tragically has real consequences. I hope that every
one of us will I hope that every one of
us will pray Number one, for the safety of law
enforcement that are risking their lives to keep us safe.
Number two, for the health of those who were shot
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and injured. Today we still don't know the full details
of who was injured, but for the families also of
the victims of this shooting. Violence has no place, It
is wrong, and we should come together. If we want
to have a debate of an immigration policies, we can
do so in the halls of Congress without demonizing each other,
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and especially without demonizing the men and women who every
day put on a badge and go risk their lives
to keep us safe. And we should not be putting
language out there that inspires mad men to commit evil crimes.
Our prayers are with the men and women of law enforcement,
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and we ought to come together and have some decency
across the political aisle to say this violence is wrong
and it needs to stop.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
We know Senator a lot about this gunman. We know
that he was googling the shooting of our friend whose
funeral we just went to, Charlie Kirk. We know that
he was looking at the app that they put out
there and these websites where you can track ICE agents
which is doccent where they are.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
That is an app designed to encourage violence against ICE
agents and law enforcement. And whether it's Gavin Newsom or
a Keen Jeffries or any any other Democrat who is
encouraging this targeting of ICE agents, it is fundamentally wrong
and that they need to stand up and stop it.
You know, I will say this shooter, it's the news
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has since come out. This shooter his mother was a
hard leftist who actually had been vocally critical of me
and other Texas Republicans for not in brace seeing gun
control and in fact, in May of twenty twenty two,
she posted the following, Governor Abbot, Senator Cornyn, and Senator Cruz,
how does it feel that your action to open up
gun laws is responsible for the killing of twenty one
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more people? Do you secretly sit in front of a
TV and smile with a demented smile. You must be
proud of all the money that sits in your bank
accounts from the gun lobby support. Was it worth it?
Governor Abbot? How about you senators? When you prioritize money
over people, this is what you get. And I will
say the irony is rich that this leftist mom who
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was championing gun control now her son has committed a
mass murder as a sniper. It is tragic and it
is a consequence of extreme rhetoric, extreme ideology that is
poisoning the minds of those who are driven to violence.
And I will say this assassin wrote on his shell
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case anti ice very much, emulating what Charlie Kirk's murderer did,
writing pro Antifa and pro transgender propaganda on he'll shell casings.
And we need to stop this violence, regardless of where
your politics are, but we need to stop the rhetoric
that is fueling this violence. And there's a lot of
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Democrat politicians engaging in this rhetoric, no matter how many
lives are lost. And I want to be clear, I
am not calling them Nazis. I am absolutely opposing any
violence or calls to violence. I'm calling on them to
tone down their rhetoric and stop demonizing their opponent, stop
demonizing ice, stop demonizing law enforcement, because it's dangerous and tragically,
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lunatics are acting on the rhetoric they're hearing from these politicians.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
As always, thank you for listening to Verdict with Center
Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson with you don't forget to dealt
with my podcast and you can listen to my podcast
every other day you're not listen to Verdict or each
day when you listen to Verdict. Afterwards, I'd love to
have you as a listener to again the Ben Ferguson podcasts,
and we will see you back here on Monday morning.
Welcome. It is Verdic with Ted Cruz, the Weekend Review,
Ben Ferguson with you, and here are the big stories
that you may have missed that we talked about. First
up Centator Cruz and I went to the memorial for
Charlie Kirk. We're going to talk about that memorial and
just how incredible it was to watch that level of
worship and honoring of God and the future legacy of
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Charlie Kirk. We're also going to talk about Jimmy Kimmel
being fired, but not really. It was a four day
vacation at ABC bringing him right back on the air.
And finally, it is the third time we've seen us
shooting alone in Texas, the second time in Dallas area
with ICE agents being targeted. So what's behind it? We'll
(00:42):
have that as well. It's the Weekend Review and it
starts right now. One of the things I think that
is so cool that came out of this that is
just something that no one could have planned, is how
many people are now sharing their own faith and sharing
the gospel. You and I have talked more about our
(01:04):
faith on this podcast in the last two weeks than
we have ever before, and it's not that we're afraid
to talk about our faith, but we talk a lot
about what's happening in the world in politics. Jd Vance said, and.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
That was something really profound. Jad said as he said
that he often felt uncomfortable talking about faith, and he
made the same comment that he's talked more about faith
in the last two weeks than he has probably in
his entire life.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
And I mean even this morning. I had two times
I was on Fox this morning before the before it started,
and the entire conversation was not about politics. The entire
conversation was about faith. Yeah, that his life being taken
has given the opportunity for all of us to share faith.
And I think in a more bold way, in a
(01:50):
more proud way, and a more I'm not afraid to
share my faith. I think sometimes I think I'm in
the world of politics and that's maybe not my place
to be doing that as much. I'm going to change
my mentality on that, I think forever moving forward.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
And I can think of very few sentiments that would
make Charlie happier than that.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, And it was the whole time, it was about faith.
If you look at today, I also think one of
the most incredible things was you and I were sitting
there with the most powerful people in the world, certainly
in the conservative movement where we're all in the political world,
and the entire thing was about God. I've never seen
that before. I've never been a part of that before.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
No, And at the very end, President Trump spoke and
he gave I think, very good remarks. But I want
you to listen to what he said, in particular about
Erica and her testimony. Here here, give a listen.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Did Charlie's incredible and beautiful widow, Erica. We know the
weight of this monumental loss is almost unbearable, but even
in the midst of heartache campaign too great to even fathom,
you have somehow found the strength and deep faith to
(03:05):
be a comfort to millions and millions of people. And
thank you very much, Erica, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
You and I have seen Donald Trump give a lot
of speeches. This was one of the most I think, somber,
sincere and one of the most incredible speeches I think
by Donald Trump that had nothing to really.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Do with him.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Well, and President Trump knew Charlie. Well, Charlie has spent
a lot.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I think he's rattled by it.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Charlie. Charlie in the twenty sixteen campaign was Don Junior's
body man. He traveled with Don Junior all over the
country and Charlie helped mobilize young people for the twenty
sixteen election. He helped mobilize young people for the twenty
twenty election. He played a really, really integral part in
(03:55):
the victory in twenty twenty four. And President Trump has
spent a lot of time with Charlie Kirk. Just about
everyone in the White House has. I mean, it was
one of the things the entire White House has shaken.
This is not some distant person they don't know. This
touched almost everyone who works in the Trump administration had
(04:18):
connections to Charlie, had personal connections, and they were shaken
by it. And you know one of the bits of
news that broke this week that I thought it was
a small snippet, but it encapsulated who Charlie was well.
And Van Jones, you and I both know, well he's
very much a man of the left, maybe even far left.
(04:40):
He's not someone who you would typically envision saying nice
things about Charlie Kirk. But I want you to listen
to what he said in the last few days about
his last interaction with Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Charlie Kirk and I were not friends at all. In fact,
the last week of his life we were beef and hard,
beefing online, beefing on air. But the day before he died,
he did something that shocked me. He sent me a
personal message calling for personal dialogue. Wanted me to come
on the show. He said we could be gentlemen together.
(05:14):
He said we could deal with our disagreements agreeably. And
in the past week and a half, just watching people
talk about civil wars and censorship and all this stuff
coming out of his death, I just thought it was
important to let people know don't put that on Charlie Kirk,
because the last day of his life he was reaching
(05:36):
out to have not more censorship, more conversation, more dialogue
with somebody who honestly was one of his adversaries. Me
and I just wanted to share that with the world,
and I hope that maybe it might help somebody on
both sides deal with issues more like he did.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Then putting that out there immediately brought me to today. You
and I were sitting there and we looked over to
the right of us, and you leaned over and you said,
there's Elon. And several weeks or months ago, Charlie had
said that he wanted Donald Trump and Elon to make up.
We then a few minutes later see Elon in the
(06:20):
box with President Trump. They hugged the President, patted him
on the chest, and he tweeted out a picture Elon
did of them talking, and all it said was for Charlie.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I mean, you want to.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Talk about bringing people back together.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
That's incredible, that's important, it's valuable. It is very much
a testament to Charlie. The legacy for Charlie. I will say,
I respect Van Jones for putting that out. You know
Van better than I do. But he didn't have to
put that out. He didn't have to say that. And
I do think it reflects who Charlie was, yea, And
(07:01):
I think the entire memorial today reflected. It was a
celebration of his life, and it was a proclamation of
the gospel and that I'm really grateful to have been
friends with Charlie. I'm really grateful to have a chance
(07:22):
to be there for the celebration because I think it
is going to have really profound impacts on our country.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
I think we're going to end up finding out down
the road that today was one of the biggest days,
not in politics with the biggest people in politics in
a room, but one of the biggest days for young
men and women accepting Christ and learning about the Lord
from this horrific moment in our history. And I think
you look at that bring all these people together, the
(07:52):
way that he was doing it. I think it's going
to change the way we have dialogue and conversation. I
think my demeanor is probably gonna be different. I'm still
going to fight the good fight, and I'm still going
to fight hard, but I want to have better conversations
while doing it. I think everybody's temperature is going to
change a little bit and how we interact the way
that Charlie did it. And I left there today, and
(08:14):
I don't know. I want to ask you this as
we wrap. I left there today more hopeful for the
future of this country, yes, than I have been in decades,
and more hopeful for the younger generation in this country
that they're going to see the light because I've been
very worried for quite some time. It's part of the
(08:36):
reason why I do this is that we have lost
an entire generation to the radical left. I think we
are seeing a very quick pendulum shift that only God
could create and put people in a place to do it.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Absolutely. You know, I'm reminded of the Scripture, second Chronicle
seven fourteen. If my people, who are called by my
name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face
and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear
from heaven, and I will forgive their sins, and I
(09:13):
will heal their land. That has been my prayer for
a long time, and I think today was, in a
very real sense, a great many people in America calling
out for God to hear our prayer and to heal
(09:34):
our land. And I pray that that is the outcome
the path we are on, that we see revival. Our
country needs it now.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
If you want to hear the rest of this conversation,
you can go back and listen to the full podcast
from earlier this week. Now onto story number two. All right,
I want to pay you real quick to something that
just truly is hysterical, and that is ABC News. We
thought they had actually done the right thing, and we're
willing to say that, Yet no Jimmy Kimmel, You're not
(10:08):
going to go out there and lie about who assassinated
and what they believed in of Charlie Kirk. We now
know that the sin for doing that, for that crime
is a sentence of going on a vacation for about
six days, so less than a week. And ABC News like,
all right, we started back up on Tuesday night. Now
(10:30):
here's the other interesting thing. Not everybody's going along with this.
Next Star and Sinclair are saying no, they're not.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Going to be hearing it.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
They want a real apology for him before they think
about putting him back on the air. Your reaction to that.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Well, you and I are recording this show Tuesday night,
and as we're recording it, Kimmel has not yet gone
on air, So I don't know what he's going to say.
He might do all sorts of things. He might stand
up up and give a heartfelt apology. He might admit
that in his last show he told a lie, he
(11:09):
engaged in active disinformation. His sort of joke, which wasn't
remotely funny, was that the murderer of Charlie Kirk was
a right wing maga guy. Now that's a lie, and
it's a lie. With consequence. I mean, we've seen the
polling that shows a majority of Democrats believe Charlie Kirk's
(11:31):
killer was a right winger. Now that is a brazen lie.
Charlie Kirk's killer was radicalized. He was a leftist. Law
enforcement has said this over and over again. He was
living with his boyfriend who was a transgender, who was
a furry, who was a man transitioning to be a woman.
The killer engraved Antifa and transgender slogans on the casings
(11:55):
that he used for the assassination. So there's no ambiguity.
This is a man of the left. And so maybe, maybe,
just maybe, and I may be holding out hope. Kimmel
stands up and gives a heartfelt apology, says I'm sorry,
and what happened to Charlie Kirk was horrific. It was
a political assassination. It is wrong, and it's clear this
(12:19):
was not some right winger who did this. This was
a leftist. This is my side of the aisle. This
is Jimmy Kimmel speaking, and I'm sorry. If that happens.
I think the odds are very very high. You and
I almost regardless of what happens, are going to be
talking about this on Friday's pod. So on Friday, we'll
know what he said. We don't know what he said
right now. I think that's unlikely. Maybe I'll be proven wrong,
(12:43):
but I think it's unlikely that Kimmel. He may give
a half hearted apology. He may say I'm sorry some
people were offended. Maybe I actually think he's more likely
to be defiant and say, to hell with you everyone
who was offended by the lies that I told. But
we'll see what I will say. Look my view on Kimmel,
(13:04):
I think he is profoundly unfunny. He hasn't been funny
in years. There was a long time ago when he
could be a comedian, a thousand years ago, but then
partisanship and hate overcame him, and his show consists of
just relentlessly screaming I hate Donald Trump. I hate Donald Trump,
I hate Conservatives, I hate Republicans. By the way, frequently,
(13:29):
I hate Ted Cruz. Ever since I beat him at basketball,
I've lived rent free in his head. And the problem is, listen,
I'm as a Republican, I'm actually fine with comedy that
is roasting Republicans and Democrats. I think good comedy makes
fun of everyone. Actually, today I retweeted, so John Stewart
(13:52):
did a whole riff on the Daily Show blasting me,
and it was funny as hell. He actually played a
clip from our last Verdict uh where you know where
where I talked about Kim Olenna and I did an
impression of of of of a godfather. Actually, I'll tell
(14:13):
you what. Let's play John Stewart because this is actually comedy.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I don't agree with John Stewart's politics, but Stuart is
actually funny. I mean he makes me laugh and and
and and so let's play the clip. I'm gonna play clip.
This is making fun of me. But to all our
Verdict listeners, this is me playing John Stewart, just mocking me,
and he does a very good job. He's a talented comedian.
I'm perfectly fine with with with comedians who mock me,
(14:39):
as long as that's not all they do, as long
as they don't just scream I hate you, I hate you,
I hate you. But but they're actually funny. So here
was John Stewart on the Daily Show talking about it.
He's gonna quote Verdict and then he's just gonna mercilessly
mock me give a listen.
Speaker 6 (14:55):
Now, Cruz has supported this president through insults to his
own wife looks, and to his own father's loyalties, and
yet Cruz still manages to maintain a modicum of self
respect when it comes to this president trampling all over
a constitution, Sir, it brings me no pleasure.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
To have to play this.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Look. I like Brendan Carr. He's a good guy. He's
the chairman of the FCC. I work closely with him.
But what he said there is dangerous as hell.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Fan TASTI fan pasthi, Senator Ted Cruz, boldly stating that
the FCC chairman threatening the licenses of networks is dangerous.
And Senator Cruz, I would just say, maybe you should
stop there. I would stop there. I would not continue
(15:47):
with the thought perfect no notes, all right, go.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
On, And I got to say, he threatens it. He says,
we can do this thease way, or we could do
this the hard.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Way, the sort of routed the hard way.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Oh what kind of monster.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Have you ever heard? We could do that did way?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
God, we could do it.
Speaker 6 (16:25):
By god way, hazy odd.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
It's nothing, Godfather, that Lenny from Mice and Men.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
I get bunny.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
The bunny can do a dasy the hard way. You
got you got more, Senator? Do you?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
And I got to say, that's right out of good Fellows.
That that that that that that's right out of a
mafioso coming into a bar going nice bye. You have here.
It'd be a shame if something happened to it.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
That's not a good Fellaw's call. I know this because
all of my decorative pillows have good fellas called karma.
I mean I would go home. I would say, as
me at home.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Look at me.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Now, Senator, unless a man might tell you to go
home and get your shine box. But I don't because
you wouldn't even know what that means.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
Dead cruise. I mean to do that with goodfellas, but
that accent. Is there anything in pop culture that I
love that you can't ruin?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Dad? I'm a vegetarian. I don't eat animals, but Lisa,
animals are so delicious. There's the animal. We get bacon
from the animal, we get ham from the animal, we
get sausage from dad. That's all the same animal.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Smith has release the hounds eggs.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
They're not booing, they're saying boo earns. Imagine having to
endure a Texas power outage with this guy who wants
to hear my poo anyway, Well, he ruined my love
of the sentence. At least I've still got my favorite franchise,
(18:26):
Star Wars, all to myself, So I don't have the
force is strong with this storm.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
There is no try.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Do or do not.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
At best, he sounds like Yoda with a sinus infection,
trying not to come. Dore Duke, you may enjoy Star
(19:06):
Wars that Christ, but there's one thing will never have
in common, and that's my comfort movie. The Princess Bride,
a fantastical tale of adventure and true love with an
outstanding cast. Oh you know what's coming. You know what's
coming with an outstanding cast, including the inimitable Oh it
just roll it.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
So what does it you have that's so worth living
for presses on his chest and Wesley goes true liar,
shut up, witch, I'm not a witch. I'm your wife.
But after what you just said, I wish I wasn't.
Don't say that name what pumping, pumpting, hopping, humpet it.
I can't hear you?
Speaker 4 (19:41):
So whoa that was the straight But oh I'm like, oh,
the one man. So do you know how hard it
is to make Mario Lopez uncomfortable? Truely, Mario Lopez, the
(20:06):
man who need I remind you did this dance in
a tank tee in front of everyone at the Max.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
All Right, I gotta say I'm laughing a little bit
because it is pretty good roast. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Look, Ben, that's hysterical. I do like to do impressions.
I'm not particularly great at him, but I have fun
and I like pop culture. But like, that's actual comedy.
Like I'm gonna make a prediction right now. What John
Stewart just did there is one hundred thousand times funnier
than whatever Jimmy Kimmel will do tonight. So we'll see
(20:44):
what he does. But look, the point that I made
in this podcast is the federal government, the FCC, should
not be threatening the licenses of ABC in order to
force them to take someone off the air, even someone
incredibly unfunny with terrible ratings who gets one point one
(21:05):
million views, which means he gets fewer views and listens
than Verdict. Does we beat Jimmy Kimmel regularly, and someone
who was actively lying about a political assassination. I think
all of those are reasons for ABC to fire him,
But I don't think the federal government should be forcing
(21:26):
ABC to fire him. Why because look, when Biden was president,
the Biden FCC tried to yank Fox News's license, and
I led the fight against it. We beat them, we
stopped them from doing it. You know what, if we
embrace the FCC stripping licenses from anyone who says something
you disagree with, the next Democrat president who gets in
(21:48):
the White House will do this, and will come after,
will come after everyone right of center, and so that
is that is a slippery slope to oblivion. But at
the same time, understand, just because I'm saying the federal
government shouldn't force Kimmel off the air, I think market
forces should. And it's interesting that that sixty six ABC
(22:12):
stations did not carry the Kimmel program tonight. And if
there are enough market forces, ABC ultimately will respond to them.
I think market forces are a great check for horrific, unfunny, partisan,
dishonest speech. And by the way, if you're dishonest enough,
there could also be legal liability and litigation and all
(22:33):
sorts of consequences that come when you lie on air.
I just don't think it should be government regulators saying
we don't agree with the politics of your speech, so
we're taking your license. But that being said, the world
is better off without an unfunny, dishonest left wing partisan
who lies to the American people. And sadly, there was
(22:56):
a time when Jimmy Kimmel could be funny, but that's
what he has become.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah, great point, as before. If you want to hear
the rest of this conversation on this topic, you can
go back and dow the podcast from early this week
to hear the entire thing. I want to get back
to the big story number three of the week. You
may have missed, Senator, you were in Dallas when this
shooting happened. It was eight hours after we watched Gavin
(23:21):
Newsom go on late night TV demonizing ICE agents, saying
that they are authoritarian. And then the liberals are like, wait, wait,
we're not attacking ICE agents. Yes they are. They've undermined them,
they've demonized them, and we were watching attack after attack
happen against ICE agents. It's horrific.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yeah, I was in Dallas this week for a series
of unrelated meetings, and the news broke that this strange
gunman had opened fire on an ICE facility in Dallas.
That he had gone onto a rooftop emulating Charlie Kirk's
assassin and with a bolt action rifle fired multiple rounds,
(24:01):
ended up killing two people severely injuring a third. And
then then he took the gun to himself and took
his own life. And it was horrific. When the news broke,
I canceled my morning meeting and just drove over to
the ICE facility that morning was there, was there shortly
after the shooting had occurred. And this has happened far
too often. Here's what I had to say at the
(24:25):
press conference that was ongoing when I arrived at the facility.
If this needs to stop, violence is wrong, Politically motivated
violence is wrong. It was two weeks ago today that
we saw political assassination in Utah that tore the heart
(24:46):
out of much of this country. This is the third
shooting in Texas directed at ICE or CBP. This must stop.
To every politician who is using rhetoric demonizing ICE and
demonizing CBP, stop to every politician demanding that ICE agents
(25:12):
be dosed and calling for people to go after their families. Stop.
This has very real consequences. Look in America, we disagree.
That's fine, that's the democratic process. But your political opponents
are not Nazis. We need to learn to work together
(25:32):
without demonizing each other, without attacking each other. And I
want to say thank you. I want to say thank
you to the brave men and women of law enforcement.
I want to say thank you to the brave men
and women of ICE and CBP and everyone who puts
their lives on the lines to keep us safe. The
(25:53):
divisive rhetoric tragically has real consequences. I hope that every
one of us will I hope that every one of
us will pray Number one, for the safety of law
enforcement that are risking their lives to keep us safe.
Number two, for the health of those who were shot
(26:13):
and injured. Today we still don't know the full details
of who was injured, but for the families also of
the victims of this shooting. Violence has no place, It
is wrong, and we should come together. If we want
to have a debate of an immigration policies, we can
do so in the halls of Congress without demonizing each other,
(26:35):
and especially without demonizing the men and women who every
day put on a badge and go risk their lives
to keep us safe. And we should not be putting
language out there that inspires mad men to commit evil crimes.
Our prayers are with the men and women of law enforcement,
(26:56):
and we ought to come together and have some decency
across the political aisle to say this violence is wrong
and it needs to stop.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
We know Senator a lot about this gunman. We know
that he was googling the shooting of our friend whose
funeral we just went to, Charlie Kirk. We know that
he was looking at the app that they put out
there and these websites where you can track ICE agents
which is doccent where they are.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
That is an app designed to encourage violence against ICE
agents and law enforcement. And whether it's Gavin Newsom or
a Keen Jeffries or any any other Democrat who is
encouraging this targeting of ICE agents, it is fundamentally wrong
and that they need to stand up and stop it.
You know, I will say this shooter, it's the news
(27:51):
has since come out. This shooter his mother was a
hard leftist who actually had been vocally critical of me
and other Texas Republicans for not in brace seeing gun
control and in fact, in May of twenty twenty two,
she posted the following, Governor Abbot, Senator Cornyn, and Senator Cruz,
how does it feel that your action to open up
gun laws is responsible for the killing of twenty one
(28:13):
more people? Do you secretly sit in front of a
TV and smile with a demented smile. You must be
proud of all the money that sits in your bank
accounts from the gun lobby support. Was it worth it?
Governor Abbot? How about you senators? When you prioritize money
over people, this is what you get. And I will
say the irony is rich that this leftist mom who
(28:35):
was championing gun control now her son has committed a
mass murder as a sniper. It is tragic and it
is a consequence of extreme rhetoric, extreme ideology that is
poisoning the minds of those who are driven to violence.
And I will say this assassin wrote on his shell
(28:59):
case anti ice very much, emulating what Charlie Kirk's murderer did,
writing pro Antifa and pro transgender propaganda on he'll shell casings.
And we need to stop this violence, regardless of where
your politics are, but we need to stop the rhetoric
that is fueling this violence. And there's a lot of
(29:20):
Democrat politicians engaging in this rhetoric, no matter how many
lives are lost. And I want to be clear, I
am not calling them Nazis. I am absolutely opposing any
violence or calls to violence. I'm calling on them to
tone down their rhetoric and stop demonizing their opponent, stop
demonizing ice, stop demonizing law enforcement, because it's dangerous and tragically,
(29:46):
lunatics are acting on the rhetoric they're hearing from these politicians.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
As always, thank you for listening to Verdict with Center
Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson with you don't forget to dealt
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every other day you're not listen to Verdict or each
day when you listen to Verdict. Afterwards, I'd love to
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