August 8, 2025 • 33 mins
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Criticism of Jake Tapper and Mainstream Media:
- Cruz and Ferguson accuse Tapper and CNN of knowingly covering up Biden’s mental deterioration.
- They mock Tapper’s role in the book, likening it to an arsonist writing about fire prevention.
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Biden’s Cognitive Decline:
- The podcast discusses alleged incidents of Biden’s confusion, memory lapses, and diminished capacity.
- They reference reports from cabinet members and the Department of Justice suggesting Biden was mentally unfit.
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Media and Political Hypocrisy:
- The hosts argue that Democrats and media figures lied to the public about Biden’s condition.
- They cite examples of politicians like Chuck Schumer and Jake Sullivan allegedly dodging accountability.
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Autopen and Presidential Authority:
- Cruz raises concerns about the use of an autopen to sign official documents, questioning the legality and legitimacy of such actions.
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Obama’s Alleged Influence:
- The podcast speculates that Barack Obama and his former staffers were effectively running the Biden administration.
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Personal Anecdotes:
- Cruz shares a story about Biden swearing him into the Senate and a humorous moment involving his daughter.
- The hosts joke about Cruz’s wife and discuss podcasting habits.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
It is Verdict with Senter, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with
you and Senator It is a very big week for
putting out books that are full of crap.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
It truly is stunning. So Jake Tapper from CNN has
a book along with Alex Thompson from Axios. The book
is entitled Original Sin. President Biden's Decline, its cover up,
and his disastrous choice to run again. And when you
talk about full of crap, I really don't think you're
(00:31):
being fair to crap like this is This is like
a book Arsonist discovers a fire he started. This is
like a book Tony Montana, the drug dealer says cocaine
is bad for you. Like, yes, Jake, there was a
cover up, an absolute, complete, total cover up. It was knowing,
(00:54):
it was deliberate, and you did it. You, Jake Tapper
and CNNA, we're twenty four to seven, engage in the
cover up. You knew about his mental decline, and you
refuse to tell anybody.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
It's shocking just how bad it was. And by the way,
we have the receipts just to remind people.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
You know, you're going to hear the proof momentarily.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, and we're gonna get to that because I want
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All right, So let's go back to this lie that
I think the part that boys in mind. The most
is the fact that Taper is actually probably gonna get
a best seller out of this. Everyone in the media
is praising him for this incredible reporting. And this is
the guy that literally helped cover up the cognitive decline
and dismissed anyone who brought it up on a show.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
So look, the book, as I understand it was originally
written by Alex Thompson. Alex Thompson is not nearly as
well known as Jake Tapper, yep, And he had a
contract with the book publishing company. He wrote the book,
and then the book publishing company decided to cancel it
and said, no, we're not going to publish this book
after all. In other words, the book publishing company engaged
in yet another cover up because they didn't want anyone
(03:57):
to know. And so Thompson sought out Tapper and convinced Tapper, hey,
join with me. You're a big famous guy. They'll publish
it if your name's on it. And Tapper said yes.
And I gotta say so, there are lots.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
OF's never got a crisis waste, right.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
That's looking particularly a chance to make some good money.
I mean, hey, what's journalism all about if not monetizing
your own hypocrisy and your own cover up. Look, Tapper,
some of the facts that are coming out in this book.
In twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four, Tapper and
Thompson report Biden's physical deterioration was so severe that his
advisers discussed the possibility he would need to use a
(04:35):
wheelchair if he won reelection. That's that's how bad it was.
And yet every time anyone tried to bring up those facts,
Jake Tapper and the rest of the corporate media covered
it up. But don't take my word for it. Listen
to Jake Tapper in his own words. This is a
collection of Tapper over the years.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
And this goes back to twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
The very beginning is him talking to one of the
Trump family members, Laura Trump, and he actually like ends
the interview like, you can't even say this on my show.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
So this this montage starts in twenty twenty, then goes
to twenty one, twenty two, twenty three, and then twenty four.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
All throughout.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Listen, Tapper for five years covered this up aggressively.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Give a listen, how do.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
You think it makes little kids with stutters feel when
they see you make a comment.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Like that, it's very clearly a cognitive decline.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
That's what I'm referring to. It makes me uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
You are no view of age, can't It's so amazing.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
It's so amazing to me that trying to figure out
an answer cognitive Declineative Biden embraces his stutter talking about it,
while Trump, mock said, exaggerates it.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Belittle zip.
Speaker 7 (05:42):
He's sharp physically, I mean mentally, yeah, I think the
question is physically right right or so right right? And
the guy who's his chief opponent is only three or
four years younger than him, maybe, I mean, you have
questioned President Biden's age, mental fit, and fitness ability to lead.
Of those supporting Biden, you said, quote, shame on all
of you pretending everything is okay. You're leading us him
into a disaster. Do you worry that you damaged him
(06:02):
at all? I don't doubt that.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
You got hugs and handshakes behind closed doors today and
maybe even publicly, some of them because they like you personally.
But I've heard a lot of really nasty stuff about
you from your Democratic college.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I mean, just like, what is he thinking?
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Exercise in narcissism. I mean false claims to the Wall
Street Journal about President Biden's mental fitness and acuity. He's
eighty one and his memory. You know, it doesn't seem great.
It's not horrible, but I don't understand the outrage. Quote
behind closed doors, Biden's shows signs of slipping quote. The
Wall Street Journal is owned by NewsCorp, which is run
by the Murdocks. Beyond the headline, there is some critical
(06:43):
nuance here. The article is mostly based on observations of Republicans,
with former Speaker Kevin McCarthy the only one going on
the record. They do note in the article that most
of the criticism comes from Republicans. Have you heard any
concerns from anyone who has met with President Biden about
seeming a little slower? Now the Russians are trying to
(07:03):
do to make us in the public not trust the
our election integrity. Joe Biden has dimension all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Let's just stop there and give the title of the
book again, Senator, so people understand what they just heard
and now what he's writing, Because if you just look
at the title of the book, you understand the debauchery
of journalistic scumbaggery.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
The title of the book is Original Sin President Biden's decline,
its cover up, and his disastrous choice to run again.
And understand Jake Tapper when he was saying that he
was lying, he knew he was lying. Everyone else on
CNN knew he was lying. They knew they were lying.
Everyone on MSNBC knew they were lying. Everyone on ABCNBCCBS
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knew they were lying. Everyone at the New York Times
knew they were lying. Everyone at the Washington Post knew
they were lying. Everyone knew this look. One of the
facts that his book. He says at a fundraiser in
Jude of twenty twenty four, Joe Biden didn't recognize George Clooney,
who he's known for decades. He had told Eny by
the way, he had to be introduced like Ocean's eleven.
What is there a casino you're robbing? I don't understand,
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like Biden had no idea. This is the same fundraiser
you remember where Barack Obama had to lead Biden off
the stage because he was just confused and staring out
in space, and Tapper and the rest of them just
lied to us and said aoka, no problems here.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
You go back center to what you just said a
moment ago, and it's a great point here, and it's
one about the fact that they were at this fundraiser.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
And the president didn't know, like George Clooney.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Wise, do you have Barack Obama having to walk him
off stage like that was when everyone in his realm
that they were even trying.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
To, I think in protecting from They all knew then,
like this is a disaster, and yet they still went
full speed ahead with it.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
No, that's exactly right. You know, the Babylon B had
a great headline that summed up this book. So the
Babylon B's headline was, quote, Jake Tapper uncovers startling evidence
that Biden's decline was covered up by Jake Tapper. And
that's exactly what his book is. And listen, listen to
this week, Chuck Schumer, because it wasn't just Jake Tapper
(09:16):
that was lying. Every Democrat was lying. Every Democrat Senator,
every Democrat governor, every Democrat house member. They all knew
Biden was seriously declining mentally, and they all covered it up.
Schumer was one of the most shameless because he gave
his own personal guarantee about how quick Biden was. And
listen this week when when finally the media confronts him
(09:38):
about his lies, Listen to what Chuck Schumer says, Uh, you.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Said in June of last year, in my meeting the
President Biden, I found the command president guilded influence to made.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Father sent key priorities.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
But in that same mom violent here that he not
even recognized George Pulley.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
In a fundraiser.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Were you being straight with the American palmer for look,
would just look forward? I mean, it's the best answer
I've ever heard from a politician. Center.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
We're just looking forward.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Hey, we gotta go. We're just looking forward. And I'm
walking off stage like we're just looking forward.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
I mean, so, Governor, tell me about the dead body
that we found in your house. We're just looking or
tell me about the.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
The cocaine the White House. We're just looking for just moving.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
We're just moving forward, guys, Schumer.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Not not the tiniest bit of accountability, not the oh yeah,
we're not just we're moving forward.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
To forward, moving the Democrats.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
You know, it reminded me back if you remember when
Mitt Romney ran for president against Barack Obama. Yes, And
Harry Reid went and lied and claimed that Mitt Romney
hadn't paid income taxes, and he just flat out lied,
and he did it on the Senate floor.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
You know why I did it on the Senate.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Floor because you can't argue back with him.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Right, Well, that's true. But there's another reason he did
it on the Senate floor because the Constitution has a
provision called the Speech and Debate Clause that that that
immunizes members of Congress for speech and bait on the
Senate floor. He did it so no one could sue him.
So Mitt Romney wouldn't sue him for defamation because he
was lying.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
And he didn't sit on TV. Interesting and after.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
The election they asked Harry Reid about wait, you were lying,
you had no evidence. And Harry Reid, who was then
the Democrat Senate majority leader, he said, well, Romney didn't win,
did he Like it's the same thing as Chuck Schumer.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
We're just looking forward, all right.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Listen to now Biden's National security advisor, Jake Sullivan, who
worked with Biden every day in the White House and
so new to an absolute certainty that that Biden was
severely mentally declining, but listen to what Jake Sullivan said.
Speaker 8 (11:41):
What happened in that debate was a shock to me.
I think was a shock to everybody. And I've made
that point before. Just finally, do you think in retrospect,
given everything that's happened and everything we've talked about today,
it was a mistake for President Biden to try to
run again. One of the things about being national security
advisor is that you're mercifully insulated from politics and political
(12:04):
decision making. I was insulated from it to the point
where while I was National Security Advisor, uh, my spouse
was running for Congress, and I had strict rules about
what I could even do to support my spouse, let
alone be involved in political decision making, political calls in
the White House. So I have not weighed in on
those issues and would not weigh in on those issues.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Let's let's just be clear. I've known national security advisors.
That is the biggest one of crap I've ever heard.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
I'm just going to put out something really funny. There's
something about Democrat men that makes them weenies. Yeah, so
he says my spouse was running for Congress, So he
is actually married to a woman, yep, Ben, Can you
imagine any circumstances which I refer to your wife as
my spouse? I mean, isn't like I don't know a
man who refers to his wife as my.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Spouse who's running for congress, My wife who is running
for congress like that like the moldun.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Human beings would communicate, but but not not democrat after.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yours would be my smoking hot wife who's running for cocker.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
But that's the way.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Do I know you well or do I know you
will any any chance to praise praise your wife.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Not your spouse.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Yes, my smoking hot wife is exactly exactly the way
to put it.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I set you up for success there.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
I just want to know if there's anything you're gonna
you should clip from this pod and send to your wife.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Be like, go to this minute mark in the pod. Honey,
you made the pod.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Actually look as you know, listen to the podcast. So
that'll be she'll she'll be listening.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
This is a miss test.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I one day I said, think about my wife in
my show, and I wanted to see if she heard it,
and like her friends text are like, Ben said thing
about you, and she's like, what did you say about
me day.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
I was like, well, if you listen to the show,
you would have known.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
It was like, A great, you know that was a mistake.
Don't do that. I told you so, you only I'm
just saying.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I'm just saying I want to ask you a on
a very serious note here you look at the hypocrisy.
But the most disturbing thing for me coming out of
this book and how the Axius reporting is that the
cabinet members worried about his capacity, specifically in a crisis. Now,
(14:14):
there's been interesting reporting, and I'm just want to put
it in perspective. He has the bad debate. There was
real conversations, we were told and there's reporting on this
about the possibility of invoking the twenty fifth. Not because
they were afraid, I go back to the you know,
worried about the capacity and a crisis.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
They just didn't want to lose the election.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
It was all politics.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
They were perfectly fine having someone with dementia who was
not capable of decision making as president as commander in chief.
So this Jake Tapper comedy book includes the revelation that
multiple cabinet members were worried that he could not be
relied on at a time of crisis because his mental
diminution was so great. One cabinet secretary said Biden's top
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aids quote shielded him in every meeting from October two,
twenty twenty three. On quote the cabinet was kept at
bay another quote for months. We didn't have access to him.
There was clearly a deliberate strategy by the White House
to have a meet with as few people as necessary.
Another cabinet secretary says that one rare meeting during the time,
that cabinet secretary was quote shocked by how the president
(15:17):
was acting. He was seemed disoriented and out of it,
his mouth agape. They knew they were worried. And you
know what, if our enemies attacked us, this was the
commander in chief that the Democrats and CNN and the
lying corporate media was telling us could protect us. And look,
I don't know that i'd trust him to operate the
remote control on the television set.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
By the way, are they going to put this under
fiction or nonfiction? That's what I want to know. When
you go to the store, right if you go look.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
For well Sadly, I think they'll put it under nonfiction,
which they should, because it is true that Joe Biden's
has had a massive mental deterioration. What they should put
under fiction is what Jake says on TV every day.
That's the fiction part. The irony is this may be
the one true thing Tapper has has written or said
in the light.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Hold on the guy from Access Right. It's true.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
It was someone else who wrote it, name on it.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Yeah, But but by accident he told the truth, except
for the fact that he didn't admit that he's been
lying to the country the entire time Biden was in
the White House.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
So let's go back to the cabinet members, because this
is the big question. I was doing Fox and I
Waters World. Killy mckinneie was filling in form White House
pres Singcretary and she was talking about then when when
some of this was starting to break and I and
I said, look, the headlines are amazing, But I said,
the real question that I think we should all be asking,
and I want your take on this is if all
(16:36):
this is true, and I have no reason believe it's not,
who the hell was the president of the United States
of America? Who was running the country? Was it thirty
people that were elected by no one. I don't think
it was one person. I think there's a very good
chance that the FBI was the president of the FBI
and the DD was the president.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
I mean, who the hell was running the country?
Speaker 4 (16:57):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Actually, all right, that's why I'm asking you.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
I've been asked that question probably a thousand times, and
I'm going to give you the most terrifying answer you
could imagine. I don't know, Okay, I genuinely don't know.
I think it was Barack Obama. I think it was
Barack Obama. Barack Obama, certainly his minions, is the only
president in modern times who at the end of his
(17:20):
presidency stayed in DC, bought a big house in Calorama
every night, their cars in the driveway, and all of
his little apparatic minions are in the White House. And
I think it was a combination.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
When Joe Biden's White House was filled with staffers. I
want you to understand this. This is well reported, but
this is really important right now for this story. It
was well reported on that Biden and his team were
the one that placed everyone in the positions of power
in the Biden I mean Obama six. Obama and his
team placed everyone basically in a position of powers in
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the Biden administration.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
So look, in four years of the Biden presidency, I'm
in the Senate the whole time. How many times do
you think I spoke with Joe Biden while he was president?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I would say one to three zero, And I was
saying one of three because I thought they were protecting him.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
So you're saying, as a senator, and that's not normal.
People need to understand that.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Not a single time, and that is bizarre.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
How many times with Obama?
Speaker 9 (18:15):
Free?
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Lots of times.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I mean I spoke.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
I spoke with Obama regularly.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
With Trump, I speak with him often every week, sometimes
multiple times a week. It is part of the job
of being a senator to work with the president, to
talk with the president, even the president of the opposing party.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Were there ever big lads with Obama? For examle, I'm
trying to really paint a picture here of how insane
it is.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
You didn't talk to him for four years.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
It's bizarre.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
And the thing to understand is we all know Joe Biden.
He was in the Senate for four years. He was
a man of the Senate when I was first elected
the Senate in twenty twelve, Joe Biden swore me in.
In fact, I'll tell you without the cognitive decline, and
he was fine. Now when vice president thirteen years ago,
he did not have cognitive cline. And in fact, it
was funny. So my girls, you know, my daughters, they're
(19:02):
fourteen and seventeen. When I was sworn in, they were
two and four. They were little bitty and my two
year old Catherine, Biden leaned over to pick her up
and she screamed. She screamed really loudly, and Biden said,
it's okay, it's okay. It's a Democrat, but it's okay.
And that was actually quite funny.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
I laughed.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
And you don't have time. Magazine does little quotes of
like the quotes of the week. Yeah, that next week,
the quote of the week was, it's okay, it's okay.
It's a Democrat, but it's okay. Vice President Joe Biden
to Catherine Cruz, age two. And I've said, you know,
when Catherine is married, hopefully a long long time from now,
I intend to read that quote at her wedding and say,
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even at age two, Catherine knew if a Democrat tries
to pick you up.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Scream loudly.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
I like that one.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
So where do we go from And by the way, when.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
I say I didn't speak with him for four years,
that was true of virtually every Republican senator.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
So we would say, did that be Democrat senators are
talking to it? They middle more.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
The Democrats talked to him early on because.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
They were isolating him from what the book saying from
like everyone.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
So they talked to him a little more. When when
the Senates and session, Republican senators have lunch together every Tuesday, Wednesday,
and Thursday, so we talk at lunch. It's they're working lunches,
they're very productive. We would sit at lunch and talk
about how weird it was that that none of us
had spoken to Biden, had been to the White House
to see him, and we all knew him. They were
clearly hiding him. I actually remember one of my colleagues,
(20:28):
John Kennedy, a good friend senator from Louisiana. He was
one of the few who had seen Biden one time,
and he actually told us all the story. We're sitting
at the table and he said, look, he had passed
a bill. He said it was a fairly minor bill,
but it was a bipartisan bill that had passed, and
and Biden did a bill signing, and so they brought
him under and they brought him over because they wanted
to say, look how bipartisan were So so Kennedy was
(20:50):
in the oval and Biden was there, and and Kennedy
started striking up a conversation with Biden and John knew
him like we all did, and and Biden asked, and so, John,
you ever seen the cabinet room? And John Kennedy being
John Kennedy, he said, I lied and said no, and
he said, come on, let's go.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, and he can know where that was going. You
say down to that question.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Yeah, And so he takes him in there and he said.
Biden begins telling stories from like forty or fifty years ago,
and Kennedy said, the White House staff comes in freaking out,
Miss President, you go, you gotta go, and Biden yells
at him, shut up, I'm telling stories, and he said.
He went on for like thirty forty minutes, and it
was like listening to your grandfather who's telling the same stories. Ever,
(21:32):
the same stories like fifty years ago. They can remember,
but but don't ask him what's happening today? And and
that was and he was literally at my lunch table.
I remember he was the only one of us who
had seen Biden since he's been president, and and and
that was his one experience with him.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Will there be anything now that the mees accept this
as fact, they're reporting on his fact. Cabinet members were
worried about his capacity in a crisis, That's what they've said.
Is there going to be any overside slash investigation? Should
there be from Congress? And I know that's a weird
question because there's somebody like, look, we want let's move on,
(22:07):
But like I do, actually, as an American citizen, want
to know who was running the United States of America
that was elected by no one. I want to know
who was calling the shots it was elected by no one,
because whether I win or lose an election, my vote
should not be canceled out by some sort of dictator
or tyrant within an administration that no one knows who's
running a government.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
And by the way, there's a related question to that Ben,
which is we've seen the stories that apparently a substantial
number of official things that Biden signed were signed by
the autopen.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
So was he even making the decision to sign them right?
Speaker 3 (22:39):
And he didn't even seem to know like some of
the pardons. And I actually think you'll have this litigated.
I don't not aware of any courts that's ever decided
is is a pardon Does a pardon have to actually
be signed by the president. So look, every elected official
has an autopen. I have an autopan, and so for
things like constituent correspondence, if you write into your senator,
(22:59):
you'll get a response back, and we try to respond
substantively in the autop pen will sign it. And I
get millions of those letters, so I couldn't physically sign
them all.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
All I'm thinking about right now is how where that
autopen isn't how much fun I could happen keep going.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
But look, it's fine for if something like correspondence, a
birthday wish, But the question is for something that has
legal force of law. And I actually want to know
do they use the autopen to sign any legislation, because
it's not clear to me legislation that the president didn't
sign has legal force. The autopen is not the commander
in chief and the chief judges.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
For example, if he did an autopen, which means I'm
truly convinced that he didn't know what was going on.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
He didn't know who's appointing. He probably didn't know who's pardoning.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
And if that happening, the partiers are where it'll be litigated, Okay,
and that will Why is that so different, because.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Look, it's it's interesting. Like a pardon under the Constitution,
all you have to have is a document from the
president that said, you know, I pardoned Ben Ferguson and
and and suddenly actually only if it's a federal offense,
so he can't.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yeah, the p I take, the abece I take.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
But it literally there's no pomp and circumstance. It doesn't
have to have gold leaf on the paper, it doesn't
have to be an official it's just a piece of
paper with a signature, with those words and his signature,
that is legally a pardon. But if you don't actually
have a signature. Listen, I've been in the oval dozens
of times, probably more when when President Trump is signing
(24:28):
things and pulls out he actually so have you seen
the president's.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Okay, Yeah, I like I've got one of the big
sharpieeress like most presidents use like a sharpie to have
a signing pen.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
But but President Trump's it's a marker that's probably what
ten inches long, and maybe.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
It's gold, like gold is signature, and like an inch.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
In diameter like it's it is massive.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
But he signs one after the other, after the other
after the other, because that's what gives it legal force
of law. If you have a president that's mentally incompetent
and you have staffers running thing, it makes you wonder
doctor Fauci's pardon jine it.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I don't know, Yeah, And if it's the auto pen,
which I'm sure they can figure that out.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
It will be It's an interesting question, you know. I'll
say a few more of these quotes from the cabinet members.
The cabinet members in this book described said. One said quote,
the staff did him wrong. If you were with him
every day and you knew this was going to be
a problem, why didn't you go to him and say something.
(25:32):
Another said quote, access dropped off considerably in twenty twenty four,
and I didn't interact with him as much. A third said, quote, Yes,
the president is making the decisions, but if the inner
circle is shaping them in such a way, is it
really a decision? And here was another cabinet secretary. I
don't think he has dementia. But the thing is, he's
an old man. The president can give you four to
(25:54):
six good hours a day. When he got tired, sloppy
isn't the right word, but his guard was down. That
would be the commander in chief of the United States.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Now that it's over, now that everybody knows the cognitive decline,
now that the books are being written, they're telling you
they may have only gotten four hours a day out
of the President of United Atsmagra. That is maybe one
of the most shocking statements I've ever heard about any
present yet.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Look, it's he was not mentally capable to do the job.
They knew it, and they lied about it. And by
the way, Jake Tapper's whole premise that gosh, little old
me Jake was deceived. They just didn't tell me the truth.
I just didn't know. Well, Jake, if you listened to Verdict,
we were telling you the facts, and we were telling
you the facts early on. Here, I want you to
(26:37):
go back to January of twenty twenty four. I want
you to listen to a segment of Enemy in the
podcast back in January of twenty four talking about Biden's deterioration.
Give a listen, You and I and kind of anyone
with eyes and common sense have been observing for a
long time that Joe Biden's cognitive decline is massive.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
But it's easy for.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Some observers to dismiss that and say, you know, these
guys are biased, they're partisans, they don't like Biden, So
what they're saying is not true. In this instance, the
people speaking are the Biden Department of Justice and not
any department of justice. This is a Department of Justice
that has proven itself the most politicized and partisan department
(27:24):
of justice in history. And they have argued so, for example,
I'm going to read you a paragraph from the report.
In his interview with our office, mister Biden's memory was worse.
He did not remember when he was vice president, forgetting
on the first day of the interview when his term ended,
(27:45):
quote if it was twenty thirteen, when did I stop
being vice president? And forgetting on the second day of
the interview when his term began quote in two thousand
and nine, am I still vice president? He did not
remember even within several years when his son bo died
(28:08):
and his memory appeared hazy. When describing the Afghanistan debate
that was once so important to him, among other things,
he mistakenly said he quote had a real difference of
opinion with General Carl Aitkinberry, when in fact Aitkinberry was
(28:29):
an ally whom mister Biden cited approvingly in his thanksgiving
memo to President Obama. All of that was authored by
the Biden Department of Justice. And when they are describing
the sitting president as a well meaning, elderly man with
a poor memory, the natural question for anyone to say is,
(28:53):
holy crap. If he's not competent to stand trial, why
is he the commander in chief with the authority to
send our sons and daughters into harm's way? Why does
he have access to the nuclear codes? Understand the description
here They say, you couldn't charge him with a crime
because he's not aware of enough to have the requisite
(29:14):
mental intent. And yet Joe Biden tonight, if he's so desired,
could literally exterminate humanity from the face of the planet
as commander in chief if he gave the order launch
the nuclear weapons now, unless the military refused to obey
the commander in chief, Joe Biden could exterminate every life
(29:37):
on this planet. And if he's not mentally competent to
stand trial, that is terrifying. So that was a year
and a half ago, a year and a half ago
on this podcast. And understand the entire basis at Tapper's books,
he couldn't possibly know about known about this mental decline.
The Department of Justice in this would be the Biden
Department of Justice went into court. So the Robert Hurr Report,
(30:00):
Remember they did not prosecute Biden.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
And where was that I won? Do you remember the
timeframe on that.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
That was early twenty four. Yeah, we covered it a lot,
and that with them interviewing him in twenty three. So
in twenty three when they were interviewing Joe Biden, they
then in twenty four told America he's so bad off
we can't even charge him with anything.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
So they concluded if they charged him, he would be
found not competent to be convicted.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
That is a stunning.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Look, there's a standard. There are people that are not
competent to be tried. If you have dementia, if you're
like mentally ill, that you're not able. The legal standard
is you have to form what's called mensraa, which is intent.
And they said, well, he's so old and senile, we
can't charge him. So that's why they said, oh, yeah,
he clearly violated the law. He committed a felony. Remember
he kept classified materials everywhere, including his garage next to
(30:50):
his antique car.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Not a joke, that's real.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
And they said he was guilty of that, but they
couldn't charge him because he was incompetent to stand trial.
I want you to list in twenty twenty three to
me laying out his mental decline and MSNBC Morning Joe
making fun of me for it.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Gives us like one of their big intros. May fourth,
twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Twenty eleven, when Republicans in the House stood strong on
the debt ceiling again because Democrats had had majority of
the Congress for two years, had passed trillions in irresponsible spending,
and Republicans stood strong and said, we will not raise
the debt ceiling without serious fiscal reform. What happened then
(31:34):
Vice President Joe Biden came and negotiated a deal, a
deal called the Budget Control Act. Vice President Biden sat
down with House Republicans and reached a meaningful compromise. President
Joe Biden needs to do the same thing. And I'll say, sadly,
the reason he hasn't so far, I believe, is because
(31:57):
his mental faculties are too diminished right now.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
You know, I know, hold on, hold on, hold on
what he has such a point.
Speaker 10 (32:07):
His mental faculties are so diminished that he passed more bipartisans,
signed more bipartisan legislation.
Speaker 6 (32:15):
But he was doing it last year.
Speaker 11 (32:20):
Any president since LBJ My god, if he were his
coaching as he had been in twenty eleven, but he
could have been like you could have gone back to FDR.
Speaker 9 (32:31):
What else he did without without apparently realizing what he
was doing. He like, held NATO together to fight Russian
aggression in Ukraine, and and.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
My god, I know he only increased eight hundred mile
border in NATO.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
With Russia exactly.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
But I guess he you know, he thought he was
when happened.
Speaker 10 (32:53):
You know, it reminds me of Ronald Reagan when he
was speaking at Harvard, a Eureka College grad and he's
sitting there talking to the graund and he's making fun
of his education. At the end, he goes, You know,
sometimes I just sit here with a presidential steal in
front of him, and I wonder what I could have
been with a good.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Go back and read, go back and read Reagan, He says,
By golly, I mean, I love this. And by the way,
we do know who was doing it now it was
either a and auto pen or a bunch of old staffers.
For many of you listening to us around the country
the radio, if it's your first time, so nice to
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
It is Verdict with Senter, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with
you and Senator It is a very big week for
putting out books that are full of crap.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
It truly is stunning. So Jake Tapper from CNN has
a book along with Alex Thompson from Axios. The book
is entitled Original Sin. President Biden's Decline, its cover up,
and his disastrous choice to run again. And when you
talk about full of crap, I really don't think you're
(00:31):
being fair to crap like this is This is like
a book Arsonist discovers a fire he started. This is
like a book Tony Montana, the drug dealer says cocaine
is bad for you. Like, yes, Jake, there was a
cover up, an absolute, complete, total cover up. It was knowing,
(00:54):
it was deliberate, and you did it. You, Jake Tapper
and CNNA, we're twenty four to seven, engage in the
cover up. You knew about his mental decline, and you
refuse to tell anybody.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
It's shocking just how bad it was. And by the way,
we have the receipts just to remind people.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
You know, you're going to hear the proof momentarily.
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All right, So let's go back to this lie that
I think the part that boys in mind. The most
is the fact that Taper is actually probably gonna get
a best seller out of this. Everyone in the media
is praising him for this incredible reporting. And this is
the guy that literally helped cover up the cognitive decline
and dismissed anyone who brought it up on a show.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
So look, the book, as I understand it was originally
written by Alex Thompson. Alex Thompson is not nearly as
well known as Jake Tapper, yep, And he had a
contract with the book publishing company. He wrote the book,
and then the book publishing company decided to cancel it
and said, no, we're not going to publish this book
after all. In other words, the book publishing company engaged
in yet another cover up because they didn't want anyone
(03:57):
to know. And so Thompson sought out Tapper and convinced Tapper, hey,
join with me. You're a big famous guy. They'll publish
it if your name's on it. And Tapper said yes.
And I gotta say so, there are lots.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
OF's never got a crisis waste, right.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
That's looking particularly a chance to make some good money.
I mean, hey, what's journalism all about if not monetizing
your own hypocrisy and your own cover up. Look, Tapper,
some of the facts that are coming out in this book.
In twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four, Tapper and
Thompson report Biden's physical deterioration was so severe that his
advisers discussed the possibility he would need to use a
(04:35):
wheelchair if he won reelection. That's that's how bad it was.
And yet every time anyone tried to bring up those facts,
Jake Tapper and the rest of the corporate media covered
it up. But don't take my word for it. Listen
to Jake Tapper in his own words. This is a
collection of Tapper over the years.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
And this goes back to twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
The very beginning is him talking to one of the
Trump family members, Laura Trump, and he actually like ends
the interview like, you can't even say this on my show.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
So this this montage starts in twenty twenty, then goes
to twenty one, twenty two, twenty three, and then twenty four.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
All throughout.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Listen, Tapper for five years covered this up aggressively.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Give a listen, how do.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
You think it makes little kids with stutters feel when
they see you make a comment.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Like that, it's very clearly a cognitive decline.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
That's what I'm referring to. It makes me uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
You are no view of age, can't It's so amazing.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
It's so amazing to me that trying to figure out
an answer cognitive Declineative Biden embraces his stutter talking about it,
while Trump, mock said, exaggerates it.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Belittle zip.
Speaker 7 (05:42):
He's sharp physically, I mean mentally, yeah, I think the
question is physically right right or so right right? And
the guy who's his chief opponent is only three or
four years younger than him, maybe, I mean, you have
questioned President Biden's age, mental fit, and fitness ability to lead.
Of those supporting Biden, you said, quote, shame on all
of you pretending everything is okay. You're leading us him
into a disaster. Do you worry that you damaged him
(06:02):
at all? I don't doubt that.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
You got hugs and handshakes behind closed doors today and
maybe even publicly, some of them because they like you personally.
But I've heard a lot of really nasty stuff about
you from your Democratic college.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I mean, just like, what is he thinking?
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Exercise in narcissism. I mean false claims to the Wall
Street Journal about President Biden's mental fitness and acuity. He's
eighty one and his memory. You know, it doesn't seem great.
It's not horrible, but I don't understand the outrage. Quote
behind closed doors, Biden's shows signs of slipping quote. The
Wall Street Journal is owned by NewsCorp, which is run
by the Murdocks. Beyond the headline, there is some critical
(06:43):
nuance here. The article is mostly based on observations of Republicans,
with former Speaker Kevin McCarthy the only one going on
the record. They do note in the article that most
of the criticism comes from Republicans. Have you heard any
concerns from anyone who has met with President Biden about
seeming a little slower? Now the Russians are trying to
(07:03):
do to make us in the public not trust the
our election integrity. Joe Biden has dimension all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Let's just stop there and give the title of the
book again, Senator, so people understand what they just heard
and now what he's writing, Because if you just look
at the title of the book, you understand the debauchery
of journalistic scumbaggery.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
The title of the book is Original Sin President Biden's decline,
its cover up, and his disastrous choice to run again.
And understand Jake Tapper when he was saying that he
was lying, he knew he was lying. Everyone else on
CNN knew he was lying. They knew they were lying.
Everyone on MSNBC knew they were lying. Everyone on ABCNBCCBS
(07:52):
knew they were lying. Everyone at the New York Times
knew they were lying. Everyone at the Washington Post knew
they were lying. Everyone knew this look. One of the
facts that his book. He says at a fundraiser in
Jude of twenty twenty four, Joe Biden didn't recognize George Clooney,
who he's known for decades. He had told Eny by
the way, he had to be introduced like Ocean's eleven.
What is there a casino you're robbing? I don't understand,
(08:14):
like Biden had no idea. This is the same fundraiser
you remember where Barack Obama had to lead Biden off
the stage because he was just confused and staring out
in space, and Tapper and the rest of them just
lied to us and said aoka, no problems here.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
You go back center to what you just said a
moment ago, and it's a great point here, and it's
one about the fact that they were at this fundraiser.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
And the president didn't know, like George Clooney.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Wise, do you have Barack Obama having to walk him
off stage like that was when everyone in his realm
that they were even trying.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
To, I think in protecting from They all knew then,
like this is a disaster, and yet they still went
full speed ahead with it.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
No, that's exactly right. You know, the Babylon B had
a great headline that summed up this book. So the
Babylon B's headline was, quote, Jake Tapper uncovers startling evidence
that Biden's decline was covered up by Jake Tapper. And
that's exactly what his book is. And listen, listen to
this week, Chuck Schumer, because it wasn't just Jake Tapper
(09:16):
that was lying. Every Democrat was lying. Every Democrat Senator,
every Democrat governor, every Democrat house member. They all knew
Biden was seriously declining mentally, and they all covered it up.
Schumer was one of the most shameless because he gave
his own personal guarantee about how quick Biden was. And
listen this week when when finally the media confronts him
(09:38):
about his lies, Listen to what Chuck Schumer says, Uh, you.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Said in June of last year, in my meeting the
President Biden, I found the command president guilded influence to made.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Father sent key priorities.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
But in that same mom violent here that he not
even recognized George Pulley.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
In a fundraiser.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Were you being straight with the American palmer for look,
would just look forward? I mean, it's the best answer
I've ever heard from a politician. Center.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
We're just looking forward.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Hey, we gotta go. We're just looking forward. And I'm
walking off stage like we're just looking forward.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
I mean, so, Governor, tell me about the dead body
that we found in your house. We're just looking or
tell me about the.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
The cocaine the White House. We're just looking for just moving.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
We're just moving forward, guys, Schumer.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Not not the tiniest bit of accountability, not the oh yeah,
we're not just we're moving forward.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
To forward, moving the Democrats.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
You know, it reminded me back if you remember when
Mitt Romney ran for president against Barack Obama. Yes, And
Harry Reid went and lied and claimed that Mitt Romney
hadn't paid income taxes, and he just flat out lied,
and he did it on the Senate floor.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
You know why I did it on the Senate.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Floor because you can't argue back with him.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Right, Well, that's true. But there's another reason he did
it on the Senate floor because the Constitution has a
provision called the Speech and Debate Clause that that that
immunizes members of Congress for speech and bait on the
Senate floor. He did it so no one could sue him.
So Mitt Romney wouldn't sue him for defamation because he
was lying.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
And he didn't sit on TV. Interesting and after.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
The election they asked Harry Reid about wait, you were lying,
you had no evidence. And Harry Reid, who was then
the Democrat Senate majority leader, he said, well, Romney didn't win,
did he Like it's the same thing as Chuck Schumer.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
We're just looking forward, all right.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Listen to now Biden's National security advisor, Jake Sullivan, who
worked with Biden every day in the White House and
so new to an absolute certainty that that Biden was
severely mentally declining, but listen to what Jake Sullivan said.
Speaker 8 (11:41):
What happened in that debate was a shock to me.
I think was a shock to everybody. And I've made
that point before. Just finally, do you think in retrospect,
given everything that's happened and everything we've talked about today,
it was a mistake for President Biden to try to
run again. One of the things about being national security
advisor is that you're mercifully insulated from politics and political
(12:04):
decision making. I was insulated from it to the point
where while I was National Security Advisor, uh, my spouse
was running for Congress, and I had strict rules about
what I could even do to support my spouse, let
alone be involved in political decision making, political calls in
the White House. So I have not weighed in on
those issues and would not weigh in on those issues.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Let's let's just be clear. I've known national security advisors.
That is the biggest one of crap I've ever heard.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
I'm just going to put out something really funny. There's
something about Democrat men that makes them weenies. Yeah, so
he says my spouse was running for Congress, So he
is actually married to a woman, yep, Ben, Can you
imagine any circumstances which I refer to your wife as
my spouse? I mean, isn't like I don't know a
man who refers to his wife as my.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Spouse who's running for congress, My wife who is running
for congress like that like the moldun.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Human beings would communicate, but but not not democrat after.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yours would be my smoking hot wife who's running for cocker.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
But that's the way.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Do I know you well or do I know you
will any any chance to praise praise your wife.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Not your spouse.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Yes, my smoking hot wife is exactly exactly the way
to put it.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I set you up for success there.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
I just want to know if there's anything you're gonna
you should clip from this pod and send to your wife.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Be like, go to this minute mark in the pod. Honey,
you made the pod.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Actually look as you know, listen to the podcast. So
that'll be she'll she'll be listening.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
This is a miss test.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I one day I said, think about my wife in
my show, and I wanted to see if she heard it,
and like her friends text are like, Ben said thing
about you, and she's like, what did you say about
me day.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
I was like, well, if you listen to the show,
you would have known.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
It was like, A great, you know that was a mistake.
Don't do that. I told you so, you only I'm
just saying.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I'm just saying I want to ask you a on
a very serious note here you look at the hypocrisy.
But the most disturbing thing for me coming out of
this book and how the Axius reporting is that the
cabinet members worried about his capacity, specifically in a crisis. Now,
(14:14):
there's been interesting reporting, and I'm just want to put
it in perspective. He has the bad debate. There was
real conversations, we were told and there's reporting on this
about the possibility of invoking the twenty fifth. Not because
they were afraid, I go back to the you know,
worried about the capacity and a crisis.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
They just didn't want to lose the election.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
It was all politics.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
They were perfectly fine having someone with dementia who was
not capable of decision making as president as commander in chief.
So this Jake Tapper comedy book includes the revelation that
multiple cabinet members were worried that he could not be
relied on at a time of crisis because his mental
diminution was so great. One cabinet secretary said Biden's top
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aids quote shielded him in every meeting from October two,
twenty twenty three. On quote the cabinet was kept at
bay another quote for months. We didn't have access to him.
There was clearly a deliberate strategy by the White House
to have a meet with as few people as necessary.
Another cabinet secretary says that one rare meeting during the time,
that cabinet secretary was quote shocked by how the president
(15:17):
was acting. He was seemed disoriented and out of it,
his mouth agape. They knew they were worried. And you
know what, if our enemies attacked us, this was the
commander in chief that the Democrats and CNN and the
lying corporate media was telling us could protect us. And look,
I don't know that i'd trust him to operate the
remote control on the television set.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
By the way, are they going to put this under
fiction or nonfiction? That's what I want to know. When
you go to the store, right if you go look.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
For well Sadly, I think they'll put it under nonfiction,
which they should, because it is true that Joe Biden's
has had a massive mental deterioration. What they should put
under fiction is what Jake says on TV every day.
That's the fiction part. The irony is this may be
the one true thing Tapper has has written or said
in the light.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Hold on the guy from Access Right. It's true.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
It was someone else who wrote it, name on it.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Yeah, But but by accident he told the truth, except
for the fact that he didn't admit that he's been
lying to the country the entire time Biden was in
the White House.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
So let's go back to the cabinet members, because this
is the big question. I was doing Fox and I
Waters World. Killy mckinneie was filling in form White House
pres Singcretary and she was talking about then when when
some of this was starting to break and I and
I said, look, the headlines are amazing, But I said,
the real question that I think we should all be asking,
and I want your take on this is if all
(16:36):
this is true, and I have no reason believe it's not,
who the hell was the president of the United States
of America? Who was running the country? Was it thirty
people that were elected by no one. I don't think
it was one person. I think there's a very good
chance that the FBI was the president of the FBI
and the DD was the president.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
I mean, who the hell was running the country?
Speaker 4 (16:57):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Actually, all right, that's why I'm asking you.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
I've been asked that question probably a thousand times, and
I'm going to give you the most terrifying answer you
could imagine. I don't know, Okay, I genuinely don't know.
I think it was Barack Obama. I think it was
Barack Obama. Barack Obama, certainly his minions, is the only
president in modern times who at the end of his
(17:20):
presidency stayed in DC, bought a big house in Calorama
every night, their cars in the driveway, and all of
his little apparatic minions are in the White House. And
I think it was a combination.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
When Joe Biden's White House was filled with staffers. I
want you to understand this. This is well reported, but
this is really important right now for this story. It
was well reported on that Biden and his team were
the one that placed everyone in the positions of power
in the Biden I mean Obama six. Obama and his
team placed everyone basically in a position of powers in
(17:53):
the Biden administration.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
So look, in four years of the Biden presidency, I'm
in the Senate the whole time. How many times do
you think I spoke with Joe Biden while he was president?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I would say one to three zero, And I was
saying one of three because I thought they were protecting him.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
So you're saying, as a senator, and that's not normal.
People need to understand that.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Not a single time, and that is bizarre.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
How many times with Obama?
Speaker 9 (18:15):
Free?
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Lots of times.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I mean I spoke.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
I spoke with Obama regularly.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
With Trump, I speak with him often every week, sometimes
multiple times a week. It is part of the job
of being a senator to work with the president, to
talk with the president, even the president of the opposing party.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Were there ever big lads with Obama? For examle, I'm
trying to really paint a picture here of how insane
it is.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
You didn't talk to him for four years.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
It's bizarre.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
And the thing to understand is we all know Joe Biden.
He was in the Senate for four years. He was
a man of the Senate when I was first elected
the Senate in twenty twelve, Joe Biden swore me in.
In fact, I'll tell you without the cognitive decline, and
he was fine. Now when vice president thirteen years ago,
he did not have cognitive cline. And in fact, it
was funny. So my girls, you know, my daughters, they're
(19:02):
fourteen and seventeen. When I was sworn in, they were
two and four. They were little bitty and my two
year old Catherine, Biden leaned over to pick her up
and she screamed. She screamed really loudly, and Biden said,
it's okay, it's okay. It's a Democrat, but it's okay.
And that was actually quite funny.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
I laughed.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
And you don't have time. Magazine does little quotes of
like the quotes of the week. Yeah, that next week,
the quote of the week was, it's okay, it's okay.
It's a Democrat, but it's okay. Vice President Joe Biden
to Catherine Cruz, age two. And I've said, you know,
when Catherine is married, hopefully a long long time from now,
I intend to read that quote at her wedding and say,
(19:41):
even at age two, Catherine knew if a Democrat tries
to pick you up.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Scream loudly.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
I like that one.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
So where do we go from And by the way, when.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
I say I didn't speak with him for four years,
that was true of virtually every Republican senator.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
So we would say, did that be Democrat senators are
talking to it? They middle more.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
The Democrats talked to him early on because.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
They were isolating him from what the book saying from
like everyone.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
So they talked to him a little more. When when
the Senates and session, Republican senators have lunch together every Tuesday, Wednesday,
and Thursday, so we talk at lunch. It's they're working lunches,
they're very productive. We would sit at lunch and talk
about how weird it was that that none of us
had spoken to Biden, had been to the White House
to see him, and we all knew him. They were
clearly hiding him. I actually remember one of my colleagues,
(20:28):
John Kennedy, a good friend senator from Louisiana. He was
one of the few who had seen Biden one time,
and he actually told us all the story. We're sitting
at the table and he said, look, he had passed
a bill. He said it was a fairly minor bill,
but it was a bipartisan bill that had passed, and
and Biden did a bill signing, and so they brought
him under and they brought him over because they wanted
to say, look how bipartisan were So so Kennedy was
(20:50):
in the oval and Biden was there, and and Kennedy
started striking up a conversation with Biden and John knew
him like we all did, and and Biden asked, and so, John,
you ever seen the cabinet room? And John Kennedy being
John Kennedy, he said, I lied and said no, and
he said, come on, let's go.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, and he can know where that was going. You
say down to that question.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Yeah, And so he takes him in there and he said.
Biden begins telling stories from like forty or fifty years ago,
and Kennedy said, the White House staff comes in freaking out,
Miss President, you go, you gotta go, and Biden yells
at him, shut up, I'm telling stories, and he said.
He went on for like thirty forty minutes, and it
was like listening to your grandfather who's telling the same stories. Ever,
(21:32):
the same stories like fifty years ago. They can remember,
but but don't ask him what's happening today? And and
that was and he was literally at my lunch table.
I remember he was the only one of us who
had seen Biden since he's been president, and and and
that was his one experience with him.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Will there be anything now that the mees accept this
as fact, they're reporting on his fact. Cabinet members were
worried about his capacity in a crisis, That's what they've said.
Is there going to be any overside slash investigation? Should
there be from Congress? And I know that's a weird
question because there's somebody like, look, we want let's move on,
(22:07):
But like I do, actually, as an American citizen, want
to know who was running the United States of America
that was elected by no one. I want to know
who was calling the shots it was elected by no one,
because whether I win or lose an election, my vote
should not be canceled out by some sort of dictator
or tyrant within an administration that no one knows who's
running a government.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
And by the way, there's a related question to that Ben,
which is we've seen the stories that apparently a substantial
number of official things that Biden signed were signed by
the autopen.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
So was he even making the decision to sign them right?
Speaker 3 (22:39):
And he didn't even seem to know like some of
the pardons. And I actually think you'll have this litigated.
I don't not aware of any courts that's ever decided
is is a pardon Does a pardon have to actually
be signed by the president. So look, every elected official
has an autopen. I have an autopan, and so for
things like constituent correspondence, if you write into your senator,
(22:59):
you'll get a response back, and we try to respond
substantively in the autop pen will sign it. And I
get millions of those letters, so I couldn't physically sign
them all.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
All I'm thinking about right now is how where that
autopen isn't how much fun I could happen keep going.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
But look, it's fine for if something like correspondence, a
birthday wish, But the question is for something that has
legal force of law. And I actually want to know
do they use the autopen to sign any legislation, because
it's not clear to me legislation that the president didn't
sign has legal force. The autopen is not the commander
in chief and the chief judges.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
For example, if he did an autopen, which means I'm
truly convinced that he didn't know what was going on.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
He didn't know who's appointing. He probably didn't know who's pardoning.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
And if that happening, the partiers are where it'll be litigated, Okay,
and that will Why is that so different, because.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Look, it's it's interesting. Like a pardon under the Constitution,
all you have to have is a document from the
president that said, you know, I pardoned Ben Ferguson and
and and suddenly actually only if it's a federal offense,
so he can't.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yeah, the p I take, the abece I take.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
But it literally there's no pomp and circumstance. It doesn't
have to have gold leaf on the paper, it doesn't
have to be an official it's just a piece of
paper with a signature, with those words and his signature,
that is legally a pardon. But if you don't actually
have a signature. Listen, I've been in the oval dozens
of times, probably more when when President Trump is signing
(24:28):
things and pulls out he actually so have you seen
the president's.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Okay, Yeah, I like I've got one of the big
sharpieeress like most presidents use like a sharpie to have
a signing pen.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
But but President Trump's it's a marker that's probably what
ten inches long, and maybe.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
It's gold, like gold is signature, and like an inch.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
In diameter like it's it is massive.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
But he signs one after the other, after the other
after the other, because that's what gives it legal force
of law. If you have a president that's mentally incompetent
and you have staffers running thing, it makes you wonder
doctor Fauci's pardon jine it.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I don't know, Yeah, And if it's the auto pen,
which I'm sure they can figure that out.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
It will be It's an interesting question, you know. I'll
say a few more of these quotes from the cabinet members.
The cabinet members in this book described said. One said quote,
the staff did him wrong. If you were with him
every day and you knew this was going to be
a problem, why didn't you go to him and say something.
(25:32):
Another said quote, access dropped off considerably in twenty twenty four,
and I didn't interact with him as much. A third said, quote, Yes,
the president is making the decisions, but if the inner
circle is shaping them in such a way, is it
really a decision? And here was another cabinet secretary. I
don't think he has dementia. But the thing is, he's
an old man. The president can give you four to
(25:54):
six good hours a day. When he got tired, sloppy
isn't the right word, but his guard was down. That
would be the commander in chief of the United States.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Now that it's over, now that everybody knows the cognitive decline,
now that the books are being written, they're telling you
they may have only gotten four hours a day out
of the President of United Atsmagra. That is maybe one
of the most shocking statements I've ever heard about any
present yet.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Look, it's he was not mentally capable to do the job.
They knew it, and they lied about it. And by
the way, Jake Tapper's whole premise that gosh, little old
me Jake was deceived. They just didn't tell me the truth.
I just didn't know. Well, Jake, if you listened to Verdict,
we were telling you the facts, and we were telling
you the facts early on. Here, I want you to
(26:37):
go back to January of twenty twenty four. I want
you to listen to a segment of Enemy in the
podcast back in January of twenty four talking about Biden's deterioration.
Give a listen, You and I and kind of anyone
with eyes and common sense have been observing for a
long time that Joe Biden's cognitive decline is massive.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
But it's easy for.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Some observers to dismiss that and say, you know, these
guys are biased, they're partisans, they don't like Biden, So
what they're saying is not true. In this instance, the
people speaking are the Biden Department of Justice and not
any department of justice. This is a Department of Justice
that has proven itself the most politicized and partisan department
(27:24):
of justice in history. And they have argued so, for example,
I'm going to read you a paragraph from the report.
In his interview with our office, mister Biden's memory was worse.
He did not remember when he was vice president, forgetting
on the first day of the interview when his term ended,
(27:45):
quote if it was twenty thirteen, when did I stop
being vice president? And forgetting on the second day of
the interview when his term began quote in two thousand
and nine, am I still vice president? He did not
remember even within several years when his son bo died
(28:08):
and his memory appeared hazy. When describing the Afghanistan debate
that was once so important to him, among other things,
he mistakenly said he quote had a real difference of
opinion with General Carl Aitkinberry, when in fact Aitkinberry was
(28:29):
an ally whom mister Biden cited approvingly in his thanksgiving
memo to President Obama. All of that was authored by
the Biden Department of Justice. And when they are describing
the sitting president as a well meaning, elderly man with
a poor memory, the natural question for anyone to say is,
(28:53):
holy crap. If he's not competent to stand trial, why
is he the commander in chief with the authority to
send our sons and daughters into harm's way? Why does
he have access to the nuclear codes? Understand the description
here They say, you couldn't charge him with a crime
because he's not aware of enough to have the requisite
(29:14):
mental intent. And yet Joe Biden tonight, if he's so desired,
could literally exterminate humanity from the face of the planet
as commander in chief if he gave the order launch
the nuclear weapons now, unless the military refused to obey
the commander in chief, Joe Biden could exterminate every life
(29:37):
on this planet. And if he's not mentally competent to
stand trial, that is terrifying. So that was a year
and a half ago, a year and a half ago
on this podcast. And understand the entire basis at Tapper's books,
he couldn't possibly know about known about this mental decline.
The Department of Justice in this would be the Biden
Department of Justice went into court. So the Robert Hurr Report,
(30:00):
Remember they did not prosecute Biden.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
And where was that I won? Do you remember the
timeframe on that.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
That was early twenty four. Yeah, we covered it a lot,
and that with them interviewing him in twenty three. So
in twenty three when they were interviewing Joe Biden, they
then in twenty four told America he's so bad off
we can't even charge him with anything.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
So they concluded if they charged him, he would be
found not competent to be convicted.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
That is a stunning.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Look, there's a standard. There are people that are not
competent to be tried. If you have dementia, if you're
like mentally ill, that you're not able. The legal standard
is you have to form what's called mensraa, which is intent.
And they said, well, he's so old and senile, we
can't charge him. So that's why they said, oh, yeah,
he clearly violated the law. He committed a felony. Remember
he kept classified materials everywhere, including his garage next to
(30:50):
his antique car.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Not a joke, that's real.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
And they said he was guilty of that, but they
couldn't charge him because he was incompetent to stand trial.
I want you to list in twenty twenty three to
me laying out his mental decline and MSNBC Morning Joe
making fun of me for it.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Gives us like one of their big intros. May fourth,
twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Twenty eleven, when Republicans in the House stood strong on
the debt ceiling again because Democrats had had majority of
the Congress for two years, had passed trillions in irresponsible spending,
and Republicans stood strong and said, we will not raise
the debt ceiling without serious fiscal reform. What happened then
(31:34):
Vice President Joe Biden came and negotiated a deal, a
deal called the Budget Control Act. Vice President Biden sat
down with House Republicans and reached a meaningful compromise. President
Joe Biden needs to do the same thing. And I'll say, sadly,
the reason he hasn't so far, I believe, is because
(31:57):
his mental faculties are too diminished right now.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
You know, I know, hold on, hold on, hold on
what he has such a point.
Speaker 10 (32:07):
His mental faculties are so diminished that he passed more bipartisans,
signed more bipartisan legislation.
Speaker 6 (32:15):
But he was doing it last year.
Speaker 11 (32:20):
Any president since LBJ My god, if he were his
coaching as he had been in twenty eleven, but he
could have been like you could have gone back to FDR.
Speaker 9 (32:31):
What else he did without without apparently realizing what he
was doing. He like, held NATO together to fight Russian
aggression in Ukraine, and and.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
My god, I know he only increased eight hundred mile
border in NATO.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
With Russia exactly.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
But I guess he you know, he thought he was
when happened.
Speaker 10 (32:53):
You know, it reminds me of Ronald Reagan when he
was speaking at Harvard, a Eureka College grad and he's
sitting there talking to the graund and he's making fun
of his education. At the end, he goes, You know,
sometimes I just sit here with a presidential steal in
front of him, and I wonder what I could have
been with a good.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Go back and read, go back and read Reagan, He says,
By golly, I mean, I love this. And by the way,
we do know who was doing it now it was
either a and auto pen or a bunch of old staffers.
For many of you listening to us around the country
the radio, if it's your first time, so nice to
have you guys with us.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
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Speaker 2 (33:32):
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