December 4, 2025 • 56 mins
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Vindication
Capitol Hill hearings on U.S. military strikes against Venezuelan narco boats. Clay and Buck analyze testimony from an admiral confirming that survivors of the initial strike were still “in the fight,” countering claims of a war crime. They highlight how this narrative is evolving in the media and why Democrats’ messaging on this issue may backfire politically. The segment includes sharp commentary on the fentanyl crisis, the devastating ripple effects on families, and the urgent need for a real war on drugs. Listener calls and talkbacks add perspective, including strong reactions to cartel violence and the human toll of addiction.
Getting the Porridge Just Right
Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy previews tomorrow’s major World Cup draw event at the Kennedy Center, a global spectacle coinciding with America’s 250th birthday celebrations. Secretary Duffy outlines the Department of Transportation’s critical role in ensuring smooth travel for millions of visitors, from upgraded transit systems to intercity connectivity. He also highlights the economic impact of the World Cup, projecting billions in revenue for hotels, airlines, and local businesses, and discusses President Trump’s involvement as a central figure in the event.
The conversation shifts to modernizing America’s air traffic control system, where Duffy details a $12.5 billion investment to replace outdated infrastructure and transition from analog to digital systems by 2028. He previews innovations like air taxis, drone deliveries, autonomous vehicles, and even supersonic flight technology that could revolutionize travel in the next decade. Duffy also addresses the air traffic controller shortage, revealing a 2,000-person gap and offering insights into recruitment, training, and incentives for experienced controllers to stay on the job.
Make America Affordable Again
House Majority Leader Steve Scalise joins to discuss urgent legislative priorities before Congress adjourns for the year. Scalise emphasizes efforts to lower healthcare costs through expanded health savings accounts, association health plans, and increased competition beyond the Affordable Care Act. He previews upcoming bills on housing affordability, tax relief for overtime and tips, and the National Defense Authorization Act, underscoring a focus on reducing inflation and strengthening national security. Scalise also addresses the SCORE Act, aimed at restoring structure to college athletics, protecting student-athletes from exploitative contracts, and safeguarding Olympic and Title IX sports.
Julie Kelly on Pipe Bomber
Julie Kelly, one of the most prominent journalists covering January 6th, joins the show to provide expert insight. She calls the arrest a “massive scandal,” asserting that the FBI’s decision to shelve the investigation for years was deliberate and politically motivated. Kelly warns of significant legal ramifications, noting that exculpatory evidence was withheld from January 6th defendants while the DOJ pushed an insurrection narrative. The discussion also touches on Kamala Harris’s proximity to one of the pipe bombs, raising further questions about security lapses and media silence.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Play Travis with the Clay and Buck Show, wishing you
and your family of very mary Christmas and a happy
New year.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Buck Sexton, Here, the entire Clay and Buck Show wish
you and your family a warm Christmas season and a
joyful new year. All right, welcome back in here to
Clay and Buck. So we've got much to discuss, my friends,
including what's going on on Capitol Hill here with the
(00:28):
Venezuela boat strikes. Now, we're gonna have more for you
shortly on the FBI arrest situation of the pipe bomber.
We're following that story as closely as we can. Everyone's
essentially and wait and c mode until this FBI press conference.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
This is going to be the next hour.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
We also have Secretary of Transportation Duffy on and we're
looking forward to that conversation.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
So we got a lot.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
And I think we have Steve Scalise next hour, House
Majority Leader Scalise, so we got we got a lot
going on. We can talk to him about the pipe
bomber for sure. As well as you remember Steve Scalise,
somebody who knows left wing political violence all too well,
as he had to fight for his life after he
was shot by a maniac at a baseball field in Alexandria,
(01:16):
Virginia who was screaming this is for healthcare, right, and
we all remember that this is for healthcare and he's
shooting at people who were defenseless.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
After also, Buck remember asking are those republic public art
Democrats like because they were just playing baseball, you didn't
know who you know, they were warming up on a field.
It wasn't like you could really tell who they were. Yes, exactly.
So that's where we are on that story.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
We're waiting to hear more from the FBI, but we'll
speak to Steve Scalise about that. In the meantime, you
know that this has become now the primary attack on
the administration. This is all the different anti Trump news outlets.
They're the main thing that they are covering right now.
Is this in fact it even overshadowed? You know, there
were some Epstein stuff that was released. Nothing is some photos.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Do you see this?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Nobody even really paid very much attention to it in
the media. It wasn't anything of particular interest, be honest,
from what I saw. There's a lot more I think
that's coming out, But this is the story, right now.
So here is what is at issue, as we have discussed.
I believe in Clay has believed all along here based
(02:31):
upon the facts is presented to us that Secretary Hegseth
and those below him in the chain of command acted lawfully.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
But there is also an understanding here that there is
a situation in which it is possible that you can
be in a situation where you cannot just like finish
off the survivors of a strike. That is also a thing.
I think both sides have agreed on that, and I
think that's important because I see some people say, if
(03:00):
they were, you know, cleaning the wreckage and they were
knocked out unconscious, we could just mow them down. No,
But if they were still in the fight, meaning if
they were still actively communicating with the drug cartels and
trying to salvage the drugs and trying to basically continue
the mission, it is what it is. And then you
continue on. Here's ABC's Martha Radditz on this play as
(03:23):
she's obviously a Trump hater, but you know, this is
what she said.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Play three tonight. New information.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
According to a source familiar with the incident, the two
survivors climbed back onto the boat after the initial strike,
they were believed to be potentially in communication with others
and salvaging some of the drugs. Because of that, it
was determined they were still in the fight and valid targets,
and JAG officer was also giving legal advice. So again, David,
(03:49):
that video will be key and Admiral Bradley will be
on the hill tomorrow behind closed doors.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
So they have released the video and if as has
been re ordered there that is true, this story's gonna vanish.
So we'll see. You know, there may be some dispute
about what in the fight still looked like and again
how high quality is the video version of this, but
(04:20):
this would seem to be a pretty clear validation of
the decision that was made, as well as legal having
been there and signed off as you know, watching the
incident saying yes there's still enemy combatants, Yes you can
take this action. That seems to me to be kind
(04:40):
of an open and shut case. So we will see
whether this starts to vanish. What I would say is
in the new studio that I have here Buck, the
ability to drive narrative on CNN or MSNBC, you can
kind of judge whether they think they got something. They're
already pulling back on their coverage of this strike now
(05:02):
that the videos out there, now that more details are
being released, it feels to me like the Washington Post
story over promised, the video has under delivered what they
said it would, and we're on to whatever the next
controversy is inside of the Trump administration.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I think you said this earlier in the week, and
I believe it was astute observation that this is turning
into a little bit of a Kilmar Abrego Garcia situation
for them, where the Democrats, to people who are paying attention,
the Democrats are going to the mat in order to
take the side on these issues. I know they would
(05:44):
say of like the Geneva Conventions and human rights. But
if a drug car tells yes, which are killing Last year,
I think it was like eighty ninety thousand, that's right,
but something approaching one hundred. The worst years have been
in the low one hundred thousand range. It's far too
many people. And I also think it's important to remember
it's not just the people who die. Lives are shattered
(06:06):
just by the addiction defendant all think about the families
that are destroyed. Think about the criminality, the criminal enterprises,
the drug turf wars that happen. We look at that number,
it's like looking at murders in a city. You know,
the murders give you a sense, but don't cover the
whole totality of Oh, this city has far too many
assaults and rapes and robberies and everything else going on.
(06:28):
The drug war isn't just about overdoses, although that's the
most you know, poignant and destructive aspect of it. There's
a whole lot of other secondary effects that are horrible
and people are tired of it. And my point here, Clay,
is that once again you have Democrats who are like,
hold on, we need to make sure it's not so
hard for the cartels to bring the drugs into America.
(06:51):
That's you're being too harsh with the cartels, And a
lot of Americans are saying, yeah, I don't know about that.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Who you pick as your face of any argument is huge.
And again I said, the you know, the plaintiff, the
name plainiff in a case is always a huge part.
For anybody out there that files a lawsuit class action,
they try to find the most sympathetic plaintiff out there,
the one that is going to pull at the heart
(07:20):
strings that is going to make people say, wait a minute,
are we really doing the right thing here? And we
told you part of the deportation of illegal immigrants, they
are going to focus on the mom, the little girl
that the heart string issues. But then they blew it.
Then they were like, hey, actually, do you know how
aggressive this thing is. Kilmar Abreo Garcia a human trafficking
(07:43):
drug smuggling illegal who his wife had to call the
police on because he was allegedly beating her up. He's
being forced out of the country and people are like, yeah, okay,
and it didn't really land. And now Democrats are going
to make the face of Trump's combat combating of illegal
drugs coming into the country. A couple of narco terrorists
(08:07):
in Venezuela who we were too mean to. There's a
tough sell, remember or was it Linda who called in? Uh?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
That?
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Linda's like were they were?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
They floating around with little floaties like in a pool.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Blow them up, take them out. I don't care. On
the Oh, they're doing a backstroke. I saw a backstroke. Yeah,
another missilenother missile.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Wax them and everybody. I don't even think anybody came
like everybody was in Linda's defense. We got loaded. I
don't think we should go track down some of those talkbacks,
but it looks like Linda's being vindicated here WAX. I
gotta say, we did I did not get, I did
not see and we This is the great thing you guys,
you're You're all a part of the conversation whenever you
send in a talkback and email or even just talk
(08:53):
to producer Greg if you want to get online, because
that all gets Clay and are talking about in the breaks,
we read it, we see it. I don't think I
saw anybody who was calling out Linda, like you know
what to say. Nobody was like, how dare she?
Speaker 6 (09:05):
A lot of people are like kind of with Linda.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
No.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I think it is really very funny in many ways
that the things that they think are going to rally
their base actually often rally the Trump base instead. And
part of it is just not understanding basic narrative. And
I've talked about this for a long time. If you
are a student of history, this is obviously what sixty
(09:32):
seventy years ago now. But they waited on the Montgomery
bus boycotts until they had the right face of the
Montgomery bus boycotts, which was Rosa Parks. If you go
back and study that era, they actually arrested a young
single mother who refused to give up her seat before
(09:54):
Rosa Parks did it, and the civil rights leaders, including
Martin Luther King Junior, said no, no, no, no. The single mom
who is unmarried is not the right face of the
bus boycott. We want Rosa Parks to be the face
of this boycott. So she wasn't even the first who
refused to give up her seat. That turned into the
(10:14):
beginnings of the civil rights movement in the South. Back
in Montgomery, Alabama in the day, they looked at it
and they were waiting for what they thought was the
most sympathetic plaintiff, the best face of their of their
argument that they could find. And I just I look
at some of this stuff and I just say, who
is making these decisions on messaging for the Democrat Party.
(10:37):
They're really just poor at even making the cases that
they're trying to make.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Sometimes you just gotta bring in somebody like Linda is
gonna say, light them up, light them up.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
That's it. I've had enough of these clowns.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
You know.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
This is also at night.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
We sleep soundly at night because Linda stands on that wall,
smoking that stogy, saying enough enough.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Colonel Linda, jessup out there. We talked about this before.
Who's tougher. Who's tougher in your house in discipline? You
or your wife?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Oh it's not it's not even not even close.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
It's the Carrie is way.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
And this is also dealing like with anyone who's trying
to play any funny business with us, like a contractor
or something comes up. I just kind of want to
always pull them aside and be like, look, you really
want to deal with me?
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah you don't. You don't want me to bring you,
don't hear you carry you? I am the softie in
this house. If you you do not want Laura as
the on the wall making decisions you don't want to be,
I'm the hostas negotiator Carrie.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Carrie is the CT team that goes in with flash bangs,
like it's just a different deal.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
You want to deal with me? If you miss the
Linda who people love and Linda may be listening right now, Linda,
we will play what she said as she is now
being vindicated, but she was fine even you know, like
like Buck said that these guys could have been uh
you know with the floating around on noodles with nothing left.
He's like, just wax them. But we'll have some fun.
(12:06):
We'll play that week, come back, all right.
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Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging
out with us. We are monitoring the soon to be
(13:21):
press conference from the FBI about an arrest in the
DC pipe bomb case. We will keep you updated on
that in DC as well. We are joined now by
Secretary Sean Duffy. I am headed to DC a little
bit later this afternoon for the big event at the
Kennedy Center tomorrow with the World Cup coming to the
(13:45):
United States. It is going to be an incredible scene.
I know there are many different things that you are
working on on a variety of different arenas every single day,
but this is a fun one. Secretary Sean Duffy with
us right now, what should we know about this big
event that is starting in June and will officially be
laid out bracket style to a large extent tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (14:09):
So first off, when you imagine you're flying here, you're
not driving, so hopefully your flight is going to be
not delayed on time. You're going to be you know,
perfect air time. I can't control the weather, but beyond that,
hopefully you're in a good place.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
Listen. So this is exciting.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
So tomorrow we'll have thousands of people, including yourself at
the County Center.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
I'm going to be there as well, but.
Speaker 7 (14:29):
A billion people tune in for the draw around the
world to see, you know, what team is going to play,
what team, where it's going to be, you know, fantastic.
Donald Trump is going to be there, that President of
Mexico is going to be there as well.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
So that's really exciting.
Speaker 7 (14:45):
And as we look to the summer again we're celebrating
in America's two hundred and fiftieth birthday. Exciting, and the
World Cup is going to come. There'll be eleven million
people that fly into the country to watch the games.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
And again from my.
Speaker 7 (14:59):
Perspective, and why is DOT involved, Well, we're one of
the most important aspects. So not only welcoming foreign travelers
into the country, working with Christy Nome and Marco Rubio
to make it a seamless experience, but then they're flying
between host cities, they're taking trains, buses, and then in
the cities, making sure the transit actually works, buses, railcars, tracks.
(15:22):
To make sure that we get all of these spectators
into the facilities and then back out out again, do
it safely, do it seamlessly. This is our opportunity to
showcase America on our great birthday. And so listen, we've
been working for shift nine months on this thing to
make sure that all of our teams are working together
in resources and assets are deployed to make sure it's
(15:44):
a great experience for what is going to be a
global event.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
What kind of money, Secretary Duffy, does this bring into
the country. What are some of the estimates about the
economic activity and just all of that side of things.
Speaker 7 (15:57):
I don't have those numbers, but listen, this is billions
of dollars that come in. You fill up, you fill
up hotels, you fill up planes, restaurants, and then you.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
Know there's there's time between you know, each of the matches.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
So there's an opportunity for foreigners who might might might
become to America for the first time to go out
and see our beautiful country.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
A lot of places to to.
Speaker 7 (16:18):
Go, check out and to where as you're you know,
waiting for the next match. So again many billions of dollars.
This is going to impact the country. And so it's
that that part of it's huge. By the way, can
I take you mean Donald Trump loves sports right whether
he's going you know, to basketball, football, but so not
as we have the we have the World Cup going
on during the two hundred and fifteth birthday, he has
(16:39):
a UFC cage match first time at the White House
going on as well. So it's going to be a
lot of fun but a huge economic revenue driver for
the country.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
And by the way, so.
Speaker 7 (16:51):
You have people coming into to watch soccer, but you know,
who knows how many times they come back to go
this is a great experience in America.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
And I think here's the problem.
Speaker 7 (16:59):
We have a lot a lot of people are on
the world who have said, am I welcome to come
to America. They've seen that people have overstayed their visas
or they've come here legally and we've tried to deport them.
We've taken those who haven't come, awfully, we've sent them out.
That doesn't mean we don't want people to come. Of course,
we want people to come. We want them to come
the right way and come and visit and come and
(17:19):
see all we have to offer, and then follow our rules.
And there's a timeline in which they get their visas
and you know which will be well after the games
have ended and they can head home. But so now
we want people to come.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
For people who don't know. And I've been doing my
research on this because I turn into a pretty decent
soccer fan every four years, because I'm a big sports fan.
There are one hundred and four games I believe that
are going to be played. We're talking Department of Transportation
Secretary Sean Duffy. The vast majority of those games going
to be played in the United States, and there are
now forty eight teams that are going to that are
(17:54):
going to be involved in the World Cup. They've expanded
it from thirty two. Tomorrow we will find out which
of the twelve groups of for the United States is
in among other countries. Do you know what President Trump's
role is going to be tomorrow? It's taking place at
the Kennedy Center. This is in many ways a Trump production.
Fox Sports is going to be putting it on. Like
(18:16):
you said, I'll be there. There'll be a ton of
us there. What do you know about the event tomorrow?
Speaker 6 (18:22):
So I'll get to that in a second.
Speaker 7 (18:23):
But again, there's sixteen host cities, eleven or in the
United States. We are the main the main host, and
so it's going to be a big production. Again, I'm
going as well. I hear it's like red carpet and
everyone's coming in and it's the production value. And by
the way, no one produces events like this better than
Donald Trump. I think he's maybe a master of ceremonies.
(18:46):
I'm going to address the crowd, you know, before the
draws happen. And again he's the most famous person in
the world, and to be there lending his name the
presidency to this great event, I think makes it that
much more exciting interesting. But again, the world tunes in
because they're excited to see you know what group they're
going to be in. You know who they're gonna play.
(19:07):
And do I have an easy bracket, a hard bracket.
You know what are you know? What's uh? What's my
prospects now for my team to prevail in the World Cup?
So again the details, I'm showing up occupying no more
than I mean, I Clay, you know more than I do.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
I'm coming, but I don't know.
Speaker 7 (19:21):
I'm I'm just I'm bringing my scarf and I'm gonna
be there and I'm gonna enjoy the festivities and uh
and and pick it up like you will.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Secretary Sean Duffy with us now Secretary of Transportation. And
I'm sure this is your favorite question, mister secretary. I'm
sure that everywhere you go, when everyone realizes who you
are and you're asking what's up?
Speaker 6 (19:44):
My favorite question is a bad lead up to the.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Oh yeah, no, I trust me.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
So how are we doing with the whole fixing air
traffic control and making planes go on time?
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Mister secretary?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
You know this is something near and dear to everybody
who flies all over the Country's heard, and I'm sure
people ask you. I'm sure you get asked at the
Thanksgiving table, you get asked to the airport when you're flying,
what's going on with it?
Speaker 6 (20:06):
No?
Speaker 7 (20:07):
Better yet, anyone who has my cell number when they're delayed,
I get attacked.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
Yeah, like, hey, I'm delayed, and how we're delayed?
Speaker 7 (20:15):
Like, come on, I'm like this very special text. Thank
you for sending that to me. No, so I appreciate
the question. So I laid out shoot six months ago,
how old and antiquated are our air traffic control system is?
And it is we're using, you know, some iteration of
nineteen sixties, seventies, eighties equipment software from the nineties. And
(20:37):
so I was given twelve and a half billion dollars
in the Big Beautiful Bill.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
It's a big deal. It's a lot of money.
Speaker 7 (20:43):
I need another twenty billion, But with that twelve and
a half billion dollars, we've already started. So you know,
we have copper, we have to transition to fiber. We've
already completed over thirty percent of those transitions since I
got the money from the Big Beautiful Bill. Now that
doesn't mean because I have fiber, I've switched from analog
to digital. That's another step we're going to announce later today.
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We're going to pick an integrator that's going to run
the whole operation. We'll have one paycheck to write one
throat to choke. The mission is don't break the national airspace.
Number one and number two, make sure that you deliver
this on time, which is by the end of twenty
twenty eight, So we have a three year window. New radios,
new radars, new voice switches, and all new telecom. That's
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the foundation that we build off of. A we need
a new software system. Once I get the money for that,
I'll be able to start developing, debugging, and then deploying it.
That's what's going to really change the way the airspace works.
And so if you look forward five ten years, we're
going to double triple the capacity of the use of
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our airspace. We have drones, we have these evatols, the
ubers in the air. You might have seen videos of those.
More air travel see Is that really n.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I got to jump in on this because I just
saw something about the Miami Palm Beach Corridor, so that
really peaked my entry. Are we going to have air
taxis on certain routes during this Trump administration's term?
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Is that going to happen?
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Percent?
Speaker 7 (22:09):
And I think they're safer and quieter and cheaper than
helicopter So yeah, I know that's you're going to move
people more seamlessly through the airspace with with these air taxis.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
UH to use that phrase.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
And yes, the airspace aviation really hasn't changed in the
last seventy years eighty years.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
This I mean with drone deliveries.
Speaker 7 (22:32):
You're gonna be able to get a hot cup of
coffee your door dash a delivery if you've forgot some
of the grocery store or you need medicine. Three and
a half to five pound deliveries going to change the
way products are delivered. The way we move with these
with these air taxes is fairly inexpensive, and they move
seamlessly through the airspace, giving you access from one neighborhood
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to to a city location. Or you look at again
this the east coast of Florida. Moving people along that
corridor really I think critical going to change the way
that people can live in that part of the country.
And then we also have autonomous vehicles on the horizon
as well. That's going to change the way people move
as well, how they purchase cars, how our systems are safer,
(23:16):
and our job is to make sure that I call
it my Goldilocks theory.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
We can have regulations that go.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
Too fast because if bad things happen, we get set back.
If I go too slow, the innovators will go to
places like China, and then China will send us Chinese technology,
and you don't want Chinese technology on an autonomous vehicle,
in your drones or in your vetols. They'll gather a
ton of information. It's a national security play. So we
(23:42):
have to get it just right. The porridge has to
be just right, and that's what we're trying to accomplish now.
But you're going to see these in the next three years.
All you're going to have access to all of these
new opportunities in aviation and in autonomous vehicles. One last
thing boom technology for supersonic flight. It used to be
over just water. Technology now will allow you to fly
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over land and that that boom or ricochet off the
atmosphere and not hit the ground, so you can have
those fast flights without having you know, windows break, you
know somewhere in Missouri.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
That's super interesting too, because I've been seeing that they want.
You know, people remember the Concord and how quickly you
could go from the East coast to Europe and you know,
four hours, five hours. Best case. Now, this new boom
technology that you're talking about, I've been reading about it.
It would theoretically could become standard in the next generation
where you could get to Europe, you could fly across
the Atlantic in four hours, and it could become much
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more standard. One one question for you as as you
go out and we appreciate the time Department of Transportation
Secretary Sean Duffy with US air traffic controllers there are
there have been a huge story surrounding the number of them,
meritocra see the talents of them. We got a ton
of people out there listening right now, kids, grandkids. How
many more air traffic controllers do we need? What should
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people out there who are interested in these jobs and
believe they have the talent to be doing And how
do we get to the point where we have a
depth So if we get guys who were sick or
gals who are sick, we don't have to worry about
different airport air traffic areas being shut down, which discombobulates
obviously travel nationwide.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
So give or take them about two thousand short I
have increased the capacity of throughput in the academy where
we train our air traffic controllers by twenty percent this year.
I've asked experienced controllers not to retire. I'm paying them
twenty percent up front cash bonuses to not retire, to
stand the job, to try to close that gap. But
if you're twenty years old, you got two years of
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work experience, and you want to be an air traffic controller,
you're smart. You can take our entrance exam. And again
sometimes if you're a painter, if you're a mechanic, there's
no rhyme or reason of what makes a good air
traffic controller, but we test you for it.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
You come in.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
Our academy is four months, you come out to pay
where your placed. It could take a year to three
years to get certified. But these guys are making they're
making really good money and doing a really important service
to the country. So we're looking for smart young men
and women that want to come into this uh into
this industry.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
And and again it pays.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
Well and you're you're you're providing the safety of the
of the traveling public. So we have a plan to
close the gap. Technology can help us too. But you
saw what happened during the shutdown, and you know you
had air traffic controllers that weren't being paid and they
were having some hard times putting food on the table.
They were there were you know, driving uber and waiting tables.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
I mean, you can't have that.
Speaker 7 (26:37):
So so we have to think through hard problems that
the last administration.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
Didn't want to take up. They didn't want to consider.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
There's no hard problem in this department that we aren't
grappling with trying to fix and whether there's no plan
to fix this when we are fixing this and going
to make it better for the American people.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Zech Jerry Duffie, look forward to seeing you tomorrow should
be an awesome event at the Kennedy Center, and appreciate
the good work and everybody out there. You just heard it.
There's lots of great jobs air traffic control that you
can be searching out for those kids and grandkids. Appreciate
you man.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
Thanks Jentz.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Have a good one that is a Secretary of Transportation
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Welcome back in Play Travis buck Sexton show rolling through
the Thursday edition of the program. We're back to d
C to talk to House Majority Leader Steve Scalise. We
got a bunch of topics to hit with him, but
(29:10):
let's start with this. We're awaiting the press conference from
the FBI on the arrest of the pipe bomber in
January of twenty twenty one. You, as we were talking
about earlier on the program, Congressman have seen firsthand the
consequences of political violence, and unfortunately the number of political
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related violence issues seem like they are accelerating. Is that
the sense that you have.
Speaker 7 (29:38):
And.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
How would you assess where we are right now in
terms of the temperature of the danger and the violence
that unfortunately it could typifize too much of our conversation,
it feels like politically today.
Speaker 8 (29:53):
Yeah, well, well first play and Buck, thank you for
having me. And you know, it's sad to see that
politics tod has gotten so toxic in terms of you know,
we all have disagreements, and I mean, our country has
always celebrated the fact that we don't all think alike
and we can express those differences in a free and
open society. And you know what, if you and I disagree,
(30:14):
you can vote against me at the ballot every two years.
We settle our differences at the ballot box. And for
anybody to think that political violence is okay, it's not.
And yes, I've seen it firsthand. You know, we still
see it more and more lately, and it's got to stop.
I mean, you know, Charlie Kurk's assassination, you know, was
just another example, but it's far from an isolated case.
(30:37):
And you know, the pipe bombing, I mean, it's said
that it took this long. I mean, it took years
to figure it out, but I'm glad. I applauded the
FBI for staying on the case and and for finally,
you know, making an arrest because you know, he intended.
Luckily he wasn't successful, but he intended to blow up
a building. I mean, this is insane.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Congresson's glease, appreciate you being with us here. What are
some of the key things that you think can get
done before Congress goes into recess. What is your what's
your focus as we're rounding up here at the end
of the year in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 8 (31:11):
Yeah, you know, as we're in the beginning of December,
still a lot more we want to do by the
end of this year. In just the next few weeks,
you know, we're in the middle of putting together a
bill on healthcare that a lower healthcare costs for families.
You know, I was in a meeting this morning with
the Doctor's Caucus. We have a caucus of medical doctors
who serve in Congress who have some great ideas. I've
(31:32):
been meeting with other members over the last few weeks
and we've put together a package of bills and we're
going to ultimately bring this to the floor soon. I
don't even know exactly when. In the next probe two weeks,
we're building consensus, and once we have that consensus, you're
going to see a series of bills this month in
December on the House floor to lower healthcare costs. And
(31:53):
I'm not talking about just shoveling hundreds of billions more
dollars into the Affordable Care Act that has not been
working for families. I mean, since that law passed, you know,
what's known as Obamacare, you've seen an increase in premiums
on families by eighty percent. So clearly the Affordable Care
Act has been anything but affordable. What we want to
do is get families options, you know, allow you to
(32:16):
do things like pooling together association health plans, so that
small businesses can pull together and get the buying power
of a large company, so that those premiums cost a
lot less, things like health savings accounts where you can
even if you're in an ACA plan right now, you're
only trapped in that plan. How about if we let
families have the flexibility to where you can take that
(32:39):
existing money and move it to a plan that's better
for your family. If you find a plan that has
a lower deductible cost, a lower monthly premium. You should
be able to go and buy that plan just like
you got you buy. You know, you look on TV.
You've got all these commercials for car insurance and other
products that are fighting for your dollar because there's competition.
(33:01):
Right now. In health insurance, you don't have competition because
the marketplace is really focused on forcing everybody into the
Unaffordable Care Act. We want to make that more flexible
so families have options to lower their premiums, and we'll
be bringing those bills to the floor in the next
few weeks.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
By the way, press conference has started with the FBI.
We are monitoring Attorney General Pam Bondi addressing the arrest
right now.
Speaker 8 (33:28):
And by the way, there are other there are a
lot of other bills. I'm sorry to jump in again,
but you did ask a broader question about what are
we doing the rest of this month. That's one important
package we're going to be bringing. We're bringing a number
of other bills. We've got some housing affordability bills that
are going to be going through committee next week and
the Financial Services Committee that come into the House floor
(33:50):
this month. Probably. We've got some other bills that are
focused on lowering costs. In other areas, We've done a
lot on energy production, on taxes so that nobody has
tax increases, but we also help no tax on tips,
no tax on overtime, so a lot of blue collar
workers are going to be able to get really big
benefits in terms of more money in their paychecks. You know.
(34:11):
We're working on other things that will lower inflation, lowering
interest rates, you know. So we're bringing bills on all
of those fronts. In addition to the normal appropriations process,
we're bringing what's called the National Defense Authorization Act, hopefully
next week, the bill that sets all the priorities for
a nation's defense. Very important bill, usually a very bipartisan bill.
(34:31):
Hopefully that's going to be on the floor next week.
So we're doing a lot of different things, all at
the same time, but really important things for families.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Pambondi. By the way, this cold case languished four years
until Director Patel and Deputy Director Bongino came to the FBI.
No new tips, no new witnesses, just good diligent work.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
That is.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Attorney General Pambondi on the Pipe Bomber arrest. Last question
for you, Rate I know, Congressman, there was hope that
there was going to be a score Act passed as
it had to do with college athletics. That has now
been shelved as it's continuing to be worked on. You
are in Louisiana, congrats on Lane Kiffin. For people out
there and a huge majority of our audience is this
(35:12):
are college sports fans. What are you guys trying to
do and what's the latest you can tell us on
that act?
Speaker 8 (35:18):
Yeah, and I still want to see us bring this
bill to the floor because it's important to anybody who
loves college athletics, you know, me included, I know you
do in many people, millions around the country have seen
over the last few years it's become the wild wild West.
And why is that. It's because, through a lot of things, lawsuits,
that the NCAA is lost, and other things, there is
(35:41):
no ability for schools to enforce their own rules anymore,
you know. And whether they come together and get behind
the NCAA or some other organization, that's not what Congress
is dictating. What Congress is going to try to do
is say, hey, the schools can actually go and enforce
their own rules again in college at athletics. And oh,
by the way, we also in the score Act put
(36:03):
in protections for student athletes that don't exist today. You know,
whether or not students get paid, that issue has already
been decided, but right now there are no real protections
for the students who are getting paid for example, agents.
You've got kids sixteen seventeen years old in high school
getting approached by agents with contracts that they I'm sure
(36:23):
they're not getting teams of attorneys to read. They might
be signing their rights away for ten years when they
signed some deal in high school. We put guardrails there
so that the students get real protections, so that it
limits how much an agent can even get in fees
from the student athlete. We protect the Olympic sports. The
(36:44):
US Olympic Committee just came out in support of this
bill to Score Act because it does protect Olympic sports
and other you know, women's sports, you know Title nine
sports for example. So won't just be football and basketball
at every college. You're going to be able to have
in a array of men's and women's sports that are
(37:04):
some make money, a lot of them lose money. But
you're going to be able to have those protections in
place at schools as well. So it's an important bill
that a lot of universities across the country have asked for. Again,
not Congress policing college athletics, but Congress passing a law
to just undo all of these bad lawsuits that have
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been lost over years and years, so that college athletics
can be governed again. You know, a portal where every
year kid can transfer and somebody can play for six
years for five different schools and oh, by the way,
they're supposed to be getting an education, but they can't
even transfer their credits because it's gotten so ridiculous. That
can get rained in as well, And I think everybody
(37:45):
wants some structure back in place.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Thank you, Congressman Steve Scalise. Look forward to seeing you again,
having you again on soon. Keep up the good work.
Speaker 8 (37:54):
Hey, we're going to keep getting it done, but we're
going to deliver a lot of good things through the
American people. Thank you for having me claim.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Buck no doubt. Look, we'll monitor and we're continuing with
the FBI press conference. We may go to it live
when we come back out of the next break. We'll
certainly have cuts for you. Cash Ptel speaking right now,
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wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay, Travis,
buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
Buck had to bounce. I've got you the rest of
the way. Julie Kelly joins me. Now, Julie, I don't
know anybody who has covered jan six better, more significantly
(39:43):
or more regularly than you have. You've been coming on
with us for years. This pipe bomber. We've talked about
you some on this related incident for years in the past,
and I just want to start before we dive into
the specifics with you, if you truly believed that, as
the Biden administration told us they did, that Gen six
(40:06):
then surrounding days was basically the worst threat to the
country since the Civil War. The alleged pipe bombs would
be the most violent of all of the protests that
were surrounding that day in terms of what they could
have occurred if they had exploded. Wouldn't you have made
that your number one focus of investigation? Why do you
(40:29):
think it was not the number one focus, because clearly
it was not of the Biden doj.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Hey, Clay, I'm sorry you broke up that very first
part there, but why this was not not only not
focus of their investigation, this was a very vigorous investigation
early on through January February twenty twenty one. Then all
of a sudden it disappeared. Yeah, and that really is
a takeaway. That's the scandal about this arrest today, not
(40:58):
necessarily that this suspect is in custody and now they
just posted the complaint. So I'm going to be looking
through that. But why Chris rays dooj Joe Biden's Department
of Justice completely dropped this matter? And we have to
believe at this point some of the reporting indicating that
this individual, who was twenty five or twenty six at
(41:21):
the time, was linked to Antifa or that anti fascist
movement and was not a Maca person as we were
told for years.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
So what do you think, actually, what do you think
actually has happened here? And you said the complaint has
just been posted, Dan Bongino, cash Ptel, Pam Bondi. They
had a big press conference. We've played some cuts from that.
I'm scrolling through Twitter right now trying to see if
I can see that complaint as you were just talking
about as well, what exactly has been alleged here? But
(41:58):
the arrest. This Brian, Well, let me play for you, Julian,
let you react to this. This was Dan Bongino describing
the moment they were able to solve the case and
his reaction cut thirty five.
Speaker 9 (42:12):
Was there a particular moment where the evidence is coming
in and it's starting to look like progress is being made.
What was the moment that you knew that you were
on the road to solving the case?
Speaker 8 (42:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (42:28):
Sure, I was smiling at you, because I certainly remember
the moment. Karen remembers it too. He said, are you
sitting down? He called me on the phone. I said,
oh boy, why sis bad news? And he said, I
think we got him. What exactly that tip was? We're
going to have to pass on that from right now.
(42:49):
We're still there's obviously we're in the prologue of a
long book.
Speaker 6 (42:53):
This is just the beginning.
Speaker 10 (42:54):
This is not the end of the investigation, as you
all well know, having a reportant on these for a
long time. There's interviews to be conducted, the search, more
and processing scene is not even done.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Okay, the affidavit is up, Julie on the criminal complaint,
I've just seen images of this guy start to circulate.
He is a young black man, Brian Cole Junior, and
the indications that he is a diehard Trump supporter or
(43:27):
that he would have been an insurrectionist seems quite clearly
not to be true. And again, I'm reading through with
this affidavit right now. What I think this has the
potential So let me take a step back, because we're
analyzing this in real time. This has to put the
potential to change in many ways the narrative surrounding Jan
(43:51):
six itself. If instead of a crazed group of Trump terrorists,
there were also individuals here who are you know, this
individual is maybe just a left wing radical that was
also involved in this, That really kind of changes the
oh these are crazy white supremacist Trump supporters narrative doesn't
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It doesn't it challenge things.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
It definitely does play and that's why and I was
saying this earlier in interviews this morning, before we even
knew you know, the individual's name, but there was some
reporting that he was tied to antifa. Is that that
explains why the investigation was dropped because it completely contradicted
what FBI Director Christopher Ray and I will be posting
(44:39):
these clips shortly on acts doing underscore Kelly two. Christopher
Ray's insistence that Antifa played no role in the events
of January sixth. Now, he was saying this as early
as March of twenty twenty one when he designated January
sixth an active domestic terrorism. But he was insistent that
(45:00):
no one from Antifa was involved. There was no way
for him to know that, Clay. But because you had
the president, because you had people who were there on
January sixth who were saying that they saw Antifa there.
They Antifa getting out of buses. We also have right now. Finally,
I think it was discovered last year or in twenty
(45:23):
twenty three, undercoveredc Metro police officers arriving at Capitol Grounds
telling people that they were there to find Antifa. So
this would have been not just decimated the entire January
sixth insurrection narrative, but also contradicted Chris Ray because he
was desperate to help develop this insurrection narrative and use
(45:45):
it against the President and the MAGA movement. So we
have a much bigger scandal on our hands. Rather than
just taking a man into custody who was seen on
that video on January sixth, This is a huge cover
up on a massive scale of Chris Ray's FBI and
Joe Biden, Marrick Arland's Department of Justice keeping this from
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the American people, keeping it out of legal proceedings. Jasics
defendants could have viewed something like this as its sculpatory
evidence because you had judged calling this an insurrection incited
by the president. So there are a lot of consequences
legal ramifications of what Chris Rays cover up if that
(46:29):
is indeed the fact of this individual who planted the
pipe bombs and then prompted the first leak of panic
and these evacuations that Dave right as the joint session
was heating at one o'clock.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
All right, let me read this is the court. Let
me see. I want to make sure I get the
official because my producer. This is the affidavit in support
of the criminal complaint that has been filed and released,
and I'm reading through it live with you right now.
Cole lives in a single family house with his mother
(47:01):
and other family members. He is thirty years old, resident
of Woodbridge, Virginia. The evidence laid out here, Julian, I'm
reading this in real time. The FBI has identified one
bank checking account six credit cards used by Cole to
they allege purchase multiple items consistent with the components used
(47:23):
to manufacture the pipe bombs, and they say that he
bought these things in a physical retail locations in northern Virginia.
And then it runs through the specifics of exactly what
was included in these pipe bombs and where they were
able to find and trace the purchases at home depot.
(47:48):
They then say that they were and this is very
detailed about the things that were purchased that they believe
were directly used in the pipe bomb that they were
able to end. They also then say that since at
least as early as January five, twenty twenty one, they
have identified his cell phone number and they have been
(48:11):
able to obtain historical cell site records located in the
immediate vicinity of the RNC and the DNC at the
time at which the bomb was placed. And these are
cell phone towers location data records obtained. And again I'm
reading from this in real time from the cell phone
provider provide service to Cole's cell phone show that he
(48:35):
was in the area and that they are able. Let's
see the particular sector that engaged and basically that he
was there during the time that they believe that these
pipe bombs were actually placed. So again I'm reading in
(48:55):
real time the specific pinging. You may or may not
have this in front of you, Julie. This will be
ultimately for a court to determine guilt or innocence, but
they have it appears him purchasing the items that were
used to make the pipe bomb with his credit card,
and then his cell phone being in the location where
(49:16):
the pipe bomb was placed on that night. That is circumstantial.
They obviously have video footage of an individual as well.
He's covered up, he fits the height size. Maybe they'll
be able to find some of these clothes. I don't know,
but this is very detail that was not discussed at
the press conference. So your reaction to some of this
(49:38):
obviously as it's coming down in real time, right.
Speaker 4 (49:41):
So this does appear to confirm that the FBI has
the right person in custody. So that's a good sign.
We don't want, you know, a rush to judgment here,
and that does not appear to be the case. But
what was said during the press conference today, and I
would liked to have seen a lot more details on
(50:02):
the suspect and where this investigation is headed, and the
cover up apparently by Chris Ray's FBI rather than sort
of you know, this teamwork performance that we got instead.
So this this apidated, this complaint will be helpful in
giving put some putting some warm meat on the bone.
But Clay, what was said during the press conference is
(50:24):
very important. This discovery identifying the suspect was not based
on new information or evidence, right, they were working off
what they already had, just putting new investigators, fresh pairs
of eyes on this, which means that the Ray FBI
has had had that for years. So this was an
intentional decision by someone, whether it was Chris Ray, whether
(50:47):
it's Steven Dantuano was the DC FBI chief at the
time overseeing the pipe investigation. So someone or somebody's made
conscious choice to pursue this, but to pretend at the
same time that the FBI actually was looking for this person.
So you know, as I said, there are big ram
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the stations for this, and I hope that we hear
more from the FBI and the dj about what they
had when they had it. The fingerprints all over that
information early on, and then he made the decision to
shut the whole thing down.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
Yes, Julie, we appreciate the time. Again, this is a
breaking news story. I know you're going to have a
crazy day. We're trying to make sense of it all.
But I think certainly the idea that this was a
white supremacist led revolt against the United States government would
be challenged if the most violent alleged perpetrator was a
young black man connected to Antifa, as the detail seemed
(51:50):
to suggest he was based on the based on the
information that's coming out here, So well, hey.
Speaker 4 (51:57):
Great, put yourself. Put us back to April of twenty
Let's say that Chris Ray does announce this arrest of
this individual and he's a young black man, no ties
to MAGA, but has ties to Antifa. There would be
no January sixth insurrection narrative. It would have been over. Yeah,
it could not allow that to happen. And this is
a scandal of massive proportion, and that should be the
(52:20):
biggest takeaway today.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
And then I think, Julie, to build on top of that,
a lot of people are going to start to say, Okay,
what motivated this twenty five year old at that point
in time to decide to do this, and then he
vanishes for five years and doesn't do anything else, and
he's living at his parents' house in northern Virginia and
we suddenly find him, like what is his vag It
(52:44):
just they're an awful lot of lone wolfs that seem
who engage and I'm using quotation marks for those watching
on video, who engage in acts of violence that we hear, Oh,
they had no connection to anyone else. Isn't it kind
of suspicious how often that seems to happen.
Speaker 4 (53:00):
It is happening more often, And I think that this
is something that that FBI, that Cash and Dan are
going to have to address straight on. I mean, if
we are expected to believe that this individual did this
on his own, we could see him on a phone.
We can see him using his glasses to like peer
for an address, we can see him retracing his steps.
(53:22):
This was not a sophisticated operation that this kid did
on his own. Who would be working at his behest.
And then Clay, like you and I and you Buck
and I have talked about for years the very suspicious
surroundings of related to the discovery at the R and
C and the DNC. I still believe that something Morner
(53:45):
FERI's happened in that timeline that day on January sixth,
right before those discoveries, than what happened with this individual
who is arrested today.
Speaker 1 (53:55):
Well remember, I mean, there's that video of Kamala Harris,
supposedly an incredible danger coming within what a few feet
of the alleged pipe bomb, and nobody notices it and
they didn't turn into a huge story. I think you've
talked about this in the past, when you know you're
about to be elected as vice president and there's a
pipe bomb in close proximity to you and nobody seems
(54:16):
to be concerned about it. Anyway, There's a lot here,
and I appreciate you coming on, and I think a
lot of this is going to continue to be explained
and to be unraveled as we go forward so that
there's more sense to be made here. But we appreciate
the time and thank you for everything that you've been
doing on these cases. You soon thinks that's Julie Kelly.
(54:37):
I'll try to get to a couple of your calls
when we come back, because again I'm trying to read
this affidavit in real time and analyze it as a
major breaking news and again, at a minimum, this is
destructive to the narrative of Jan six than a seismic way.
That now a young black man who appears to have
(54:58):
been of left wing ideology is arrested as the foremost
violent actor of the Jan sixth window. It's just big news.
It is huge news. And they couldn't find this guy
for five years. Biden had four years when they were
dragging Grandma's out of their house, when they were looking
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
Buck Sexton, Here, the entire Clay and Buck Show wish
you and your family a warm Christmas season and a
joyful new year. All right, welcome back in here to
Clay and Buck. So we've got much to discuss, my friends,
including what's going on on Capitol Hill here with the
(00:28):
Venezuela boat strikes. Now, we're gonna have more for you
shortly on the FBI arrest situation of the pipe bomber.
We're following that story as closely as we can. Everyone's
essentially and wait and c mode until this FBI press conference.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
This is going to be the next hour.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
We also have Secretary of Transportation Duffy on and we're
looking forward to that conversation.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
So we got a lot.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
And I think we have Steve Scalise next hour, House
Majority Leader Scalise, so we got we got a lot
going on. We can talk to him about the pipe
bomber for sure. As well as you remember Steve Scalise,
somebody who knows left wing political violence all too well,
as he had to fight for his life after he
was shot by a maniac at a baseball field in Alexandria,
(01:16):
Virginia who was screaming this is for healthcare, right, and
we all remember that this is for healthcare and he's
shooting at people who were defenseless.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
After also, Buck remember asking are those republic public art
Democrats like because they were just playing baseball, you didn't
know who you know, they were warming up on a field.
It wasn't like you could really tell who they were. Yes, exactly.
So that's where we are on that story.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
We're waiting to hear more from the FBI, but we'll
speak to Steve Scalise about that. In the meantime, you
know that this has become now the primary attack on
the administration. This is all the different anti Trump news outlets.
They're the main thing that they are covering right now.
Is this in fact it even overshadowed? You know, there
were some Epstein stuff that was released. Nothing is some photos.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Do you see this?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Nobody even really paid very much attention to it in
the media. It wasn't anything of particular interest, be honest,
from what I saw. There's a lot more I think
that's coming out, But this is the story, right now.
So here is what is at issue, as we have discussed.
I believe in Clay has believed all along here based
(02:31):
upon the facts is presented to us that Secretary Hegseth
and those below him in the chain of command acted lawfully.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
But there is also an understanding here that there is
a situation in which it is possible that you can
be in a situation where you cannot just like finish
off the survivors of a strike. That is also a thing.
I think both sides have agreed on that, and I
think that's important because I see some people say, if
(03:00):
they were, you know, cleaning the wreckage and they were
knocked out unconscious, we could just mow them down. No,
But if they were still in the fight, meaning if
they were still actively communicating with the drug cartels and
trying to salvage the drugs and trying to basically continue
the mission, it is what it is. And then you
continue on. Here's ABC's Martha Radditz on this play as
(03:23):
she's obviously a Trump hater, but you know, this is
what she said.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Play three tonight. New information.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
According to a source familiar with the incident, the two
survivors climbed back onto the boat after the initial strike,
they were believed to be potentially in communication with others
and salvaging some of the drugs. Because of that, it
was determined they were still in the fight and valid targets,
and JAG officer was also giving legal advice. So again, David,
(03:49):
that video will be key and Admiral Bradley will be
on the hill tomorrow behind closed doors.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
So they have released the video and if as has
been re ordered there that is true, this story's gonna vanish.
So we'll see. You know, there may be some dispute
about what in the fight still looked like and again
how high quality is the video version of this, but
(04:20):
this would seem to be a pretty clear validation of
the decision that was made, as well as legal having
been there and signed off as you know, watching the
incident saying yes there's still enemy combatants, Yes you can
take this action. That seems to me to be kind
(04:40):
of an open and shut case. So we will see
whether this starts to vanish. What I would say is
in the new studio that I have here Buck, the
ability to drive narrative on CNN or MSNBC, you can
kind of judge whether they think they got something. They're
already pulling back on their coverage of this strike now
(05:02):
that the videos out there, now that more details are
being released, it feels to me like the Washington Post
story over promised, the video has under delivered what they
said it would, and we're on to whatever the next
controversy is inside of the Trump administration.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I think you said this earlier in the week, and
I believe it was astute observation that this is turning
into a little bit of a Kilmar Abrego Garcia situation
for them, where the Democrats, to people who are paying attention,
the Democrats are going to the mat in order to
take the side on these issues. I know they would
(05:44):
say of like the Geneva Conventions and human rights. But
if a drug car tells yes, which are killing Last year,
I think it was like eighty ninety thousand, that's right,
but something approaching one hundred. The worst years have been
in the low one hundred thousand range. It's far too
many people. And I also think it's important to remember
it's not just the people who die. Lives are shattered
(06:06):
just by the addiction defendant all think about the families
that are destroyed. Think about the criminality, the criminal enterprises,
the drug turf wars that happen. We look at that number,
it's like looking at murders in a city. You know,
the murders give you a sense, but don't cover the
whole totality of Oh, this city has far too many
assaults and rapes and robberies and everything else going on.
(06:28):
The drug war isn't just about overdoses, although that's the
most you know, poignant and destructive aspect of it. There's
a whole lot of other secondary effects that are horrible
and people are tired of it. And my point here, Clay,
is that once again you have Democrats who are like,
hold on, we need to make sure it's not so
hard for the cartels to bring the drugs into America.
(06:51):
That's you're being too harsh with the cartels, And a
lot of Americans are saying, yeah, I don't know about that.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Who you pick as your face of any argument is huge.
And again I said, the you know, the plaintiff, the
name plainiff in a case is always a huge part.
For anybody out there that files a lawsuit class action,
they try to find the most sympathetic plaintiff out there,
the one that is going to pull at the heart
(07:20):
strings that is going to make people say, wait a minute,
are we really doing the right thing here? And we
told you part of the deportation of illegal immigrants, they
are going to focus on the mom, the little girl
that the heart string issues. But then they blew it.
Then they were like, hey, actually, do you know how
aggressive this thing is. Kilmar Abreo Garcia a human trafficking
(07:43):
drug smuggling illegal who his wife had to call the
police on because he was allegedly beating her up. He's
being forced out of the country and people are like, yeah, okay,
and it didn't really land. And now Democrats are going
to make the face of Trump's combat combating of illegal
drugs coming into the country. A couple of narco terrorists
(08:07):
in Venezuela who we were too mean to. There's a
tough sell, remember or was it Linda who called in? Uh?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
That?
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Linda's like were they were?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
They floating around with little floaties like in a pool.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Blow them up, take them out. I don't care. On
the Oh, they're doing a backstroke. I saw a backstroke. Yeah,
another missilenother missile.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Wax them and everybody. I don't even think anybody came
like everybody was in Linda's defense. We got loaded. I
don't think we should go track down some of those talkbacks,
but it looks like Linda's being vindicated here WAX. I
gotta say, we did I did not get, I did
not see and we This is the great thing you guys,
you're You're all a part of the conversation whenever you
send in a talkback and email or even just talk
(08:53):
to producer Greg if you want to get online, because
that all gets Clay and are talking about in the breaks,
we read it, we see it. I don't think I
saw anybody who was calling out Linda, like you know
what to say. Nobody was like, how dare she?
Speaker 6 (09:05):
A lot of people are like kind of with Linda.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
No.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I think it is really very funny in many ways
that the things that they think are going to rally
their base actually often rally the Trump base instead. And
part of it is just not understanding basic narrative. And
I've talked about this for a long time. If you
are a student of history, this is obviously what sixty
(09:32):
seventy years ago now. But they waited on the Montgomery
bus boycotts until they had the right face of the
Montgomery bus boycotts, which was Rosa Parks. If you go
back and study that era, they actually arrested a young
single mother who refused to give up her seat before
(09:54):
Rosa Parks did it, and the civil rights leaders, including
Martin Luther King Junior, said no, no, no, no. The single mom
who is unmarried is not the right face of the
bus boycott. We want Rosa Parks to be the face
of this boycott. So she wasn't even the first who
refused to give up her seat. That turned into the
(10:14):
beginnings of the civil rights movement in the South. Back
in Montgomery, Alabama in the day, they looked at it
and they were waiting for what they thought was the
most sympathetic plaintiff, the best face of their of their
argument that they could find. And I just I look
at some of this stuff and I just say, who
is making these decisions on messaging for the Democrat Party.
(10:37):
They're really just poor at even making the cases that
they're trying to make.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Sometimes you just gotta bring in somebody like Linda is
gonna say, light them up, light them up.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
That's it. I've had enough of these clowns.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
You know.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
This is also at night.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
We sleep soundly at night because Linda stands on that wall,
smoking that stogy, saying enough enough.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Colonel Linda, jessup out there. We talked about this before.
Who's tougher. Who's tougher in your house in discipline? You
or your wife?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Oh it's not it's not even not even close.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
It's the Carrie is way.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
And this is also dealing like with anyone who's trying
to play any funny business with us, like a contractor
or something comes up. I just kind of want to
always pull them aside and be like, look, you really
want to deal with me?
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah you don't. You don't want me to bring you,
don't hear you carry you? I am the softie in
this house. If you you do not want Laura as
the on the wall making decisions you don't want to be,
I'm the hostas negotiator Carrie.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Carrie is the CT team that goes in with flash bangs,
like it's just a different deal.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
You want to deal with me? If you miss the
Linda who people love and Linda may be listening right now, Linda,
we will play what she said as she is now
being vindicated, but she was fine even you know, like
like Buck said that these guys could have been uh
you know with the floating around on noodles with nothing left.
He's like, just wax them. But we'll have some fun.
(12:06):
We'll play that week, come back, all right.
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Sometimes all you can do is laugh, and they do
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you get your podcasts. Welcome back in now number two
Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging
out with us. We are monitoring the soon to be
(13:21):
press conference from the FBI about an arrest in the
DC pipe bomb case. We will keep you updated on
that in DC as well. We are joined now by
Secretary Sean Duffy. I am headed to DC a little
bit later this afternoon for the big event at the
Kennedy Center tomorrow with the World Cup coming to the
(13:45):
United States. It is going to be an incredible scene.
I know there are many different things that you are
working on on a variety of different arenas every single day,
but this is a fun one. Secretary Sean Duffy with
us right now, what should we know about this big
event that is starting in June and will officially be
laid out bracket style to a large extent tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (14:09):
So first off, when you imagine you're flying here, you're
not driving, so hopefully your flight is going to be
not delayed on time. You're going to be you know,
perfect air time. I can't control the weather, but beyond that,
hopefully you're in a good place.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
Listen. So this is exciting.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
So tomorrow we'll have thousands of people, including yourself at
the County Center.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
I'm going to be there as well, but.
Speaker 7 (14:29):
A billion people tune in for the draw around the
world to see, you know, what team is going to play,
what team, where it's going to be, you know, fantastic.
Donald Trump is going to be there, that President of
Mexico is going to be there as well.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
So that's really exciting.
Speaker 7 (14:45):
And as we look to the summer again we're celebrating
in America's two hundred and fiftieth birthday. Exciting, and the
World Cup is going to come. There'll be eleven million
people that fly into the country to watch the games.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
And again from my.
Speaker 7 (14:59):
Perspective, and why is DOT involved, Well, we're one of
the most important aspects. So not only welcoming foreign travelers
into the country, working with Christy Nome and Marco Rubio
to make it a seamless experience, but then they're flying
between host cities, they're taking trains, buses, and then in
the cities, making sure the transit actually works, buses, railcars, tracks.
(15:22):
To make sure that we get all of these spectators
into the facilities and then back out out again, do
it safely, do it seamlessly. This is our opportunity to
showcase America on our great birthday. And so listen, we've
been working for shift nine months on this thing to
make sure that all of our teams are working together
in resources and assets are deployed to make sure it's
(15:44):
a great experience for what is going to be a
global event.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
What kind of money, Secretary Duffy, does this bring into
the country. What are some of the estimates about the
economic activity and just all of that side of things.
Speaker 7 (15:57):
I don't have those numbers, but listen, this is billions
of dollars that come in. You fill up, you fill
up hotels, you fill up planes, restaurants, and then you.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
Know there's there's time between you know, each of the matches.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
So there's an opportunity for foreigners who might might might
become to America for the first time to go out
and see our beautiful country.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
A lot of places to to.
Speaker 7 (16:18):
Go, check out and to where as you're you know,
waiting for the next match. So again many billions of dollars.
This is going to impact the country. And so it's
that that part of it's huge. By the way, can
I take you mean Donald Trump loves sports right whether
he's going you know, to basketball, football, but so not
as we have the we have the World Cup going
on during the two hundred and fifteth birthday, he has
(16:39):
a UFC cage match first time at the White House
going on as well. So it's going to be a
lot of fun but a huge economic revenue driver for
the country.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
And by the way, so.
Speaker 7 (16:51):
You have people coming into to watch soccer, but you know,
who knows how many times they come back to go
this is a great experience in America.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
And I think here's the problem.
Speaker 7 (16:59):
We have a lot a lot of people are on
the world who have said, am I welcome to come
to America. They've seen that people have overstayed their visas
or they've come here legally and we've tried to deport them.
We've taken those who haven't come, awfully, we've sent them out.
That doesn't mean we don't want people to come. Of course,
we want people to come. We want them to come
the right way and come and visit and come and
(17:19):
see all we have to offer, and then follow our rules.
And there's a timeline in which they get their visas
and you know which will be well after the games
have ended and they can head home. But so now
we want people to come.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
For people who don't know. And I've been doing my
research on this because I turn into a pretty decent
soccer fan every four years, because I'm a big sports fan.
There are one hundred and four games I believe that
are going to be played. We're talking Department of Transportation
Secretary Sean Duffy. The vast majority of those games going
to be played in the United States, and there are
now forty eight teams that are going to that are
(17:54):
going to be involved in the World Cup. They've expanded
it from thirty two. Tomorrow we will find out which
of the twelve groups of for the United States is
in among other countries. Do you know what President Trump's
role is going to be tomorrow? It's taking place at
the Kennedy Center. This is in many ways a Trump production.
Fox Sports is going to be putting it on. Like
(18:16):
you said, I'll be there. There'll be a ton of
us there. What do you know about the event tomorrow?
Speaker 6 (18:22):
So I'll get to that in a second.
Speaker 7 (18:23):
But again, there's sixteen host cities, eleven or in the
United States. We are the main the main host, and
so it's going to be a big production. Again, I'm
going as well. I hear it's like red carpet and
everyone's coming in and it's the production value. And by
the way, no one produces events like this better than
Donald Trump. I think he's maybe a master of ceremonies.
(18:46):
I'm going to address the crowd, you know, before the
draws happen. And again he's the most famous person in
the world, and to be there lending his name the
presidency to this great event, I think makes it that
much more exciting interesting. But again, the world tunes in
because they're excited to see you know what group they're
going to be in. You know who they're gonna play.
(19:07):
And do I have an easy bracket, a hard bracket.
You know what are you know? What's uh? What's my
prospects now for my team to prevail in the World Cup?
So again the details, I'm showing up occupying no more
than I mean, I Clay, you know more than I do.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
I'm coming, but I don't know.
Speaker 7 (19:21):
I'm I'm just I'm bringing my scarf and I'm gonna
be there and I'm gonna enjoy the festivities and uh
and and pick it up like you will.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Secretary Sean Duffy with us now Secretary of Transportation. And
I'm sure this is your favorite question, mister secretary. I'm
sure that everywhere you go, when everyone realizes who you
are and you're asking what's up?
Speaker 6 (19:44):
My favorite question is a bad lead up to the.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Oh yeah, no, I trust me.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
So how are we doing with the whole fixing air
traffic control and making planes go on time?
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Mister secretary?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
You know this is something near and dear to everybody
who flies all over the Country's heard, and I'm sure
people ask you. I'm sure you get asked at the
Thanksgiving table, you get asked to the airport when you're flying,
what's going on with it?
Speaker 6 (20:06):
No?
Speaker 7 (20:07):
Better yet, anyone who has my cell number when they're delayed,
I get attacked.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
Yeah, like, hey, I'm delayed, and how we're delayed?
Speaker 7 (20:15):
Like, come on, I'm like this very special text. Thank
you for sending that to me. No, so I appreciate
the question. So I laid out shoot six months ago,
how old and antiquated are our air traffic control system is?
And it is we're using, you know, some iteration of
nineteen sixties, seventies, eighties equipment software from the nineties. And
(20:37):
so I was given twelve and a half billion dollars
in the Big Beautiful Bill.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
It's a big deal. It's a lot of money.
Speaker 7 (20:43):
I need another twenty billion, But with that twelve and
a half billion dollars, we've already started. So you know,
we have copper, we have to transition to fiber. We've
already completed over thirty percent of those transitions since I
got the money from the Big Beautiful Bill. Now that
doesn't mean because I have fiber, I've switched from analog
to digital. That's another step we're going to announce later today.
(21:04):
We're going to pick an integrator that's going to run
the whole operation. We'll have one paycheck to write one
throat to choke. The mission is don't break the national airspace.
Number one and number two, make sure that you deliver
this on time, which is by the end of twenty
twenty eight, So we have a three year window. New radios,
new radars, new voice switches, and all new telecom. That's
(21:26):
the foundation that we build off of. A we need
a new software system. Once I get the money for that,
I'll be able to start developing, debugging, and then deploying it.
That's what's going to really change the way the airspace works.
And so if you look forward five ten years, we're
going to double triple the capacity of the use of
(21:47):
our airspace. We have drones, we have these evatols, the
ubers in the air. You might have seen videos of those.
More air travel see Is that really n.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I got to jump in on this because I just
saw something about the Miami Palm Beach Corridor, so that
really peaked my entry. Are we going to have air
taxis on certain routes during this Trump administration's term?
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Is that going to happen?
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Percent?
Speaker 7 (22:09):
And I think they're safer and quieter and cheaper than
helicopter So yeah, I know that's you're going to move
people more seamlessly through the airspace with with these air taxis.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
UH to use that phrase.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
And yes, the airspace aviation really hasn't changed in the
last seventy years eighty years.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
This I mean with drone deliveries.
Speaker 7 (22:32):
You're gonna be able to get a hot cup of
coffee your door dash a delivery if you've forgot some
of the grocery store or you need medicine. Three and
a half to five pound deliveries going to change the
way products are delivered. The way we move with these
with these air taxes is fairly inexpensive, and they move
seamlessly through the airspace, giving you access from one neighborhood
(22:54):
to to a city location. Or you look at again
this the east coast of Florida. Moving people along that
corridor really I think critical going to change the way
that people can live in that part of the country.
And then we also have autonomous vehicles on the horizon
as well. That's going to change the way people move
as well, how they purchase cars, how our systems are safer,
(23:16):
and our job is to make sure that I call
it my Goldilocks theory.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
We can have regulations that go.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
Too fast because if bad things happen, we get set back.
If I go too slow, the innovators will go to
places like China, and then China will send us Chinese technology,
and you don't want Chinese technology on an autonomous vehicle,
in your drones or in your vetols. They'll gather a
ton of information. It's a national security play. So we
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have to get it just right. The porridge has to
be just right, and that's what we're trying to accomplish now.
But you're going to see these in the next three years.
All you're going to have access to all of these
new opportunities in aviation and in autonomous vehicles. One last
thing boom technology for supersonic flight. It used to be
over just water. Technology now will allow you to fly
(24:04):
over land and that that boom or ricochet off the
atmosphere and not hit the ground, so you can have
those fast flights without having you know, windows break, you
know somewhere in Missouri.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
That's super interesting too, because I've been seeing that they want.
You know, people remember the Concord and how quickly you
could go from the East coast to Europe and you know,
four hours, five hours. Best case. Now, this new boom
technology that you're talking about, I've been reading about it.
It would theoretically could become standard in the next generation
where you could get to Europe, you could fly across
the Atlantic in four hours, and it could become much
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more standard. One one question for you as as you
go out and we appreciate the time Department of Transportation
Secretary Sean Duffy with US air traffic controllers there are
there have been a huge story surrounding the number of them,
meritocra see the talents of them. We got a ton
of people out there listening right now, kids, grandkids. How
many more air traffic controllers do we need? What should
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people out there who are interested in these jobs and
believe they have the talent to be doing And how
do we get to the point where we have a
depth So if we get guys who were sick or
gals who are sick, we don't have to worry about
different airport air traffic areas being shut down, which discombobulates
obviously travel nationwide.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
So give or take them about two thousand short I
have increased the capacity of throughput in the academy where
we train our air traffic controllers by twenty percent this year.
I've asked experienced controllers not to retire. I'm paying them
twenty percent up front cash bonuses to not retire, to
stand the job, to try to close that gap. But
if you're twenty years old, you got two years of
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work experience, and you want to be an air traffic controller,
you're smart. You can take our entrance exam. And again
sometimes if you're a painter, if you're a mechanic, there's
no rhyme or reason of what makes a good air
traffic controller, but we test you for it.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
You come in.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
Our academy is four months, you come out to pay
where your placed. It could take a year to three
years to get certified. But these guys are making they're
making really good money and doing a really important service
to the country. So we're looking for smart young men
and women that want to come into this uh into
this industry.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
And and again it pays.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
Well and you're you're you're providing the safety of the
of the traveling public. So we have a plan to
close the gap. Technology can help us too. But you
saw what happened during the shutdown, and you know you
had air traffic controllers that weren't being paid and they
were having some hard times putting food on the table.
They were there were you know, driving uber and waiting tables.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
I mean, you can't have that.
Speaker 7 (26:37):
So so we have to think through hard problems that
the last administration.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
Didn't want to take up. They didn't want to consider.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
There's no hard problem in this department that we aren't
grappling with trying to fix and whether there's no plan
to fix this when we are fixing this and going
to make it better for the American people.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Zech Jerry Duffie, look forward to seeing you tomorrow should
be an awesome event at the Kennedy Center, and appreciate
the good work and everybody out there. You just heard it.
There's lots of great jobs air traffic control that you
can be searching out for those kids and grandkids. Appreciate
you man.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
Thanks Jentz.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Have a good one that is a Secretary of Transportation
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Welcome back in Play Travis buck Sexton show rolling through
the Thursday edition of the program. We're back to d
C to talk to House Majority Leader Steve Scalise. We
got a bunch of topics to hit with him, but
(29:10):
let's start with this. We're awaiting the press conference from
the FBI on the arrest of the pipe bomber in
January of twenty twenty one. You, as we were talking
about earlier on the program, Congressman have seen firsthand the
consequences of political violence, and unfortunately the number of political
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related violence issues seem like they are accelerating. Is that
the sense that you have.
Speaker 7 (29:38):
And.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
How would you assess where we are right now in
terms of the temperature of the danger and the violence
that unfortunately it could typifize too much of our conversation,
it feels like politically today.
Speaker 8 (29:53):
Yeah, well, well first play and Buck, thank you for
having me. And you know, it's sad to see that
politics tod has gotten so toxic in terms of you know,
we all have disagreements, and I mean, our country has
always celebrated the fact that we don't all think alike
and we can express those differences in a free and
open society. And you know what, if you and I disagree,
(30:14):
you can vote against me at the ballot every two years.
We settle our differences at the ballot box. And for
anybody to think that political violence is okay, it's not.
And yes, I've seen it firsthand. You know, we still
see it more and more lately, and it's got to stop.
I mean, you know, Charlie Kurk's assassination, you know, was
just another example, but it's far from an isolated case.
(30:37):
And you know, the pipe bombing, I mean, it's said
that it took this long. I mean, it took years
to figure it out, but I'm glad. I applauded the
FBI for staying on the case and and for finally,
you know, making an arrest because you know, he intended.
Luckily he wasn't successful, but he intended to blow up
a building. I mean, this is insane.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Congresson's glease, appreciate you being with us here. What are
some of the key things that you think can get
done before Congress goes into recess. What is your what's
your focus as we're rounding up here at the end
of the year in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 8 (31:11):
Yeah, you know, as we're in the beginning of December,
still a lot more we want to do by the
end of this year. In just the next few weeks,
you know, we're in the middle of putting together a
bill on healthcare that a lower healthcare costs for families.
You know, I was in a meeting this morning with
the Doctor's Caucus. We have a caucus of medical doctors
who serve in Congress who have some great ideas. I've
(31:32):
been meeting with other members over the last few weeks
and we've put together a package of bills and we're
going to ultimately bring this to the floor soon. I
don't even know exactly when. In the next probe two weeks,
we're building consensus, and once we have that consensus, you're
going to see a series of bills this month in
December on the House floor to lower healthcare costs. And
(31:53):
I'm not talking about just shoveling hundreds of billions more
dollars into the Affordable Care Act that has not been
working for families. I mean, since that law passed, you know,
what's known as Obamacare, you've seen an increase in premiums
on families by eighty percent. So clearly the Affordable Care
Act has been anything but affordable. What we want to
do is get families options, you know, allow you to
(32:16):
do things like pooling together association health plans, so that
small businesses can pull together and get the buying power
of a large company, so that those premiums cost a
lot less, things like health savings accounts where you can
even if you're in an ACA plan right now, you're
only trapped in that plan. How about if we let
families have the flexibility to where you can take that
(32:39):
existing money and move it to a plan that's better
for your family. If you find a plan that has
a lower deductible cost, a lower monthly premium. You should
be able to go and buy that plan just like
you got you buy. You know, you look on TV.
You've got all these commercials for car insurance and other
products that are fighting for your dollar because there's competition.
(33:01):
Right now. In health insurance, you don't have competition because
the marketplace is really focused on forcing everybody into the
Unaffordable Care Act. We want to make that more flexible
so families have options to lower their premiums, and we'll
be bringing those bills to the floor in the next
few weeks.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
By the way, press conference has started with the FBI.
We are monitoring Attorney General Pam Bondi addressing the arrest
right now.
Speaker 8 (33:28):
And by the way, there are other there are a
lot of other bills. I'm sorry to jump in again,
but you did ask a broader question about what are
we doing the rest of this month. That's one important
package we're going to be bringing. We're bringing a number
of other bills. We've got some housing affordability bills that
are going to be going through committee next week and
the Financial Services Committee that come into the House floor
(33:50):
this month. Probably. We've got some other bills that are
focused on lowering costs. In other areas, We've done a
lot on energy production, on taxes so that nobody has
tax increases, but we also help no tax on tips,
no tax on overtime, so a lot of blue collar
workers are going to be able to get really big
benefits in terms of more money in their paychecks. You know.
(34:11):
We're working on other things that will lower inflation, lowering
interest rates, you know. So we're bringing bills on all
of those fronts. In addition to the normal appropriations process,
we're bringing what's called the National Defense Authorization Act, hopefully
next week, the bill that sets all the priorities for
a nation's defense. Very important bill, usually a very bipartisan bill.
(34:31):
Hopefully that's going to be on the floor next week.
So we're doing a lot of different things, all at
the same time, but really important things for families.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Pambondi. By the way, this cold case languished four years
until Director Patel and Deputy Director Bongino came to the FBI.
No new tips, no new witnesses, just good diligent work.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
That is.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Attorney General Pambondi on the Pipe Bomber arrest. Last question
for you, Rate I know, Congressman, there was hope that
there was going to be a score Act passed as
it had to do with college athletics. That has now
been shelved as it's continuing to be worked on. You
are in Louisiana, congrats on Lane Kiffin. For people out
there and a huge majority of our audience is this
(35:12):
are college sports fans. What are you guys trying to
do and what's the latest you can tell us on
that act?
Speaker 8 (35:18):
Yeah, and I still want to see us bring this
bill to the floor because it's important to anybody who
loves college athletics, you know, me included, I know you
do in many people, millions around the country have seen
over the last few years it's become the wild wild West.
And why is that. It's because, through a lot of things, lawsuits,
that the NCAA is lost, and other things, there is
(35:41):
no ability for schools to enforce their own rules anymore,
you know. And whether they come together and get behind
the NCAA or some other organization, that's not what Congress
is dictating. What Congress is going to try to do
is say, hey, the schools can actually go and enforce
their own rules again in college at athletics. And oh,
by the way, we also in the score Act put
(36:03):
in protections for student athletes that don't exist today. You know,
whether or not students get paid, that issue has already
been decided, but right now there are no real protections
for the students who are getting paid for example, agents.
You've got kids sixteen seventeen years old in high school
getting approached by agents with contracts that they I'm sure
(36:23):
they're not getting teams of attorneys to read. They might
be signing their rights away for ten years when they
signed some deal in high school. We put guardrails there
so that the students get real protections, so that it
limits how much an agent can even get in fees
from the student athlete. We protect the Olympic sports. The
(36:44):
US Olympic Committee just came out in support of this
bill to Score Act because it does protect Olympic sports
and other you know, women's sports, you know Title nine
sports for example. So won't just be football and basketball
at every college. You're going to be able to have
in a array of men's and women's sports that are
(37:04):
some make money, a lot of them lose money. But
you're going to be able to have those protections in
place at schools as well. So it's an important bill
that a lot of universities across the country have asked for. Again,
not Congress policing college athletics, but Congress passing a law
to just undo all of these bad lawsuits that have
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been lost over years and years, so that college athletics
can be governed again. You know, a portal where every
year kid can transfer and somebody can play for six
years for five different schools and oh, by the way,
they're supposed to be getting an education, but they can't
even transfer their credits because it's gotten so ridiculous. That
can get rained in as well, And I think everybody
(37:45):
wants some structure back in place.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Thank you, Congressman Steve Scalise. Look forward to seeing you again,
having you again on soon. Keep up the good work.
Speaker 8 (37:54):
Hey, we're going to keep getting it done, but we're
going to deliver a lot of good things through the
American people. Thank you for having me claim.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Buck no doubt. Look, we'll monitor and we're continuing with
the FBI press conference. We may go to it live
when we come back out of the next break. We'll
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wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay, Travis,
buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
Buck had to bounce. I've got you the rest of
the way. Julie Kelly joins me. Now, Julie, I don't
know anybody who has covered jan six better, more significantly
(39:43):
or more regularly than you have. You've been coming on
with us for years. This pipe bomber. We've talked about
you some on this related incident for years in the past,
and I just want to start before we dive into
the specifics with you, if you truly believed that, as
the Biden administration told us they did, that Gen six
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then surrounding days was basically the worst threat to the
country since the Civil War. The alleged pipe bombs would
be the most violent of all of the protests that
were surrounding that day in terms of what they could
have occurred if they had exploded. Wouldn't you have made
that your number one focus of investigation? Why do you
(40:29):
think it was not the number one focus, because clearly
it was not of the Biden doj.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Hey, Clay, I'm sorry you broke up that very first
part there, but why this was not not only not
focus of their investigation, this was a very vigorous investigation
early on through January February twenty twenty one. Then all
of a sudden it disappeared. Yeah, and that really is
a takeaway. That's the scandal about this arrest today, not
(40:58):
necessarily that this suspect is in custody and now they
just posted the complaint. So I'm going to be looking
through that. But why Chris rays dooj Joe Biden's Department
of Justice completely dropped this matter? And we have to
believe at this point some of the reporting indicating that
this individual, who was twenty five or twenty six at
(41:21):
the time, was linked to Antifa or that anti fascist
movement and was not a Maca person as we were
told for years.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
So what do you think, actually, what do you think
actually has happened here? And you said the complaint has
just been posted, Dan Bongino, cash Ptel, Pam Bondi. They
had a big press conference. We've played some cuts from that.
I'm scrolling through Twitter right now trying to see if
I can see that complaint as you were just talking
about as well, what exactly has been alleged here? But
(41:58):
the arrest. This Brian, Well, let me play for you, Julian,
let you react to this. This was Dan Bongino describing
the moment they were able to solve the case and
his reaction cut thirty five.
Speaker 9 (42:12):
Was there a particular moment where the evidence is coming
in and it's starting to look like progress is being made.
What was the moment that you knew that you were
on the road to solving the case?
Speaker 8 (42:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (42:28):
Sure, I was smiling at you, because I certainly remember
the moment. Karen remembers it too. He said, are you
sitting down? He called me on the phone. I said,
oh boy, why sis bad news? And he said, I
think we got him. What exactly that tip was? We're
going to have to pass on that from right now.
(42:49):
We're still there's obviously we're in the prologue of a
long book.
Speaker 6 (42:53):
This is just the beginning.
Speaker 10 (42:54):
This is not the end of the investigation, as you
all well know, having a reportant on these for a
long time. There's interviews to be conducted, the search, more
and processing scene is not even done.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Okay, the affidavit is up, Julie on the criminal complaint,
I've just seen images of this guy start to circulate.
He is a young black man, Brian Cole Junior, and
the indications that he is a diehard Trump supporter or
(43:27):
that he would have been an insurrectionist seems quite clearly
not to be true. And again, I'm reading through with
this affidavit right now. What I think this has the
potential So let me take a step back, because we're
analyzing this in real time. This has to put the
potential to change in many ways the narrative surrounding Jan
(43:51):
six itself. If instead of a crazed group of Trump terrorists,
there were also individuals here who are you know, this
individual is maybe just a left wing radical that was
also involved in this, That really kind of changes the
oh these are crazy white supremacist Trump supporters narrative doesn't
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It doesn't it challenge things.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
It definitely does play and that's why and I was
saying this earlier in interviews this morning, before we even
knew you know, the individual's name, but there was some
reporting that he was tied to antifa. Is that that
explains why the investigation was dropped because it completely contradicted
what FBI Director Christopher Ray and I will be posting
(44:39):
these clips shortly on acts doing underscore Kelly two. Christopher
Ray's insistence that Antifa played no role in the events
of January sixth. Now, he was saying this as early
as March of twenty twenty one when he designated January
sixth an active domestic terrorism. But he was insistent that
(45:00):
no one from Antifa was involved. There was no way
for him to know that, Clay. But because you had
the president, because you had people who were there on
January sixth who were saying that they saw Antifa there.
They Antifa getting out of buses. We also have right now. Finally,
I think it was discovered last year or in twenty
(45:23):
twenty three, undercoveredc Metro police officers arriving at Capitol Grounds
telling people that they were there to find Antifa. So
this would have been not just decimated the entire January
sixth insurrection narrative, but also contradicted Chris Ray because he
was desperate to help develop this insurrection narrative and use
(45:45):
it against the President and the MAGA movement. So we
have a much bigger scandal on our hands. Rather than
just taking a man into custody who was seen on
that video on January sixth, This is a huge cover
up on a massive scale of Chris Ray's FBI and
Joe Biden, Marrick Arland's Department of Justice keeping this from
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the American people, keeping it out of legal proceedings. Jasics
defendants could have viewed something like this as its sculpatory
evidence because you had judged calling this an insurrection incited
by the president. So there are a lot of consequences
legal ramifications of what Chris Rays cover up if that
(46:29):
is indeed the fact of this individual who planted the
pipe bombs and then prompted the first leak of panic
and these evacuations that Dave right as the joint session
was heating at one o'clock.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
All right, let me read this is the court. Let
me see. I want to make sure I get the
official because my producer. This is the affidavit in support
of the criminal complaint that has been filed and released,
and I'm reading through it live with you right now.
Cole lives in a single family house with his mother
(47:01):
and other family members. He is thirty years old, resident
of Woodbridge, Virginia. The evidence laid out here, Julian, I'm
reading this in real time. The FBI has identified one
bank checking account six credit cards used by Cole to
they allege purchase multiple items consistent with the components used
(47:23):
to manufacture the pipe bombs, and they say that he
bought these things in a physical retail locations in northern Virginia.
And then it runs through the specifics of exactly what
was included in these pipe bombs and where they were
able to find and trace the purchases at home depot.
(47:48):
They then say that they were and this is very
detailed about the things that were purchased that they believe
were directly used in the pipe bomb that they were
able to end. They also then say that since at
least as early as January five, twenty twenty one, they
have identified his cell phone number and they have been
(48:11):
able to obtain historical cell site records located in the
immediate vicinity of the RNC and the DNC at the
time at which the bomb was placed. And these are
cell phone towers location data records obtained. And again I'm
reading from this in real time from the cell phone
provider provide service to Cole's cell phone show that he
(48:35):
was in the area and that they are able. Let's
see the particular sector that engaged and basically that he
was there during the time that they believe that these
pipe bombs were actually placed. So again I'm reading in
(48:55):
real time the specific pinging. You may or may not
have this in front of you, Julie. This will be
ultimately for a court to determine guilt or innocence, but
they have it appears him purchasing the items that were
used to make the pipe bomb with his credit card,
and then his cell phone being in the location where
(49:16):
the pipe bomb was placed on that night. That is circumstantial.
They obviously have video footage of an individual as well.
He's covered up, he fits the height size. Maybe they'll
be able to find some of these clothes. I don't know,
but this is very detail that was not discussed at
the press conference. So your reaction to some of this
(49:38):
obviously as it's coming down in real time, right.
Speaker 4 (49:41):
So this does appear to confirm that the FBI has
the right person in custody. So that's a good sign.
We don't want, you know, a rush to judgment here,
and that does not appear to be the case. But
what was said during the press conference today, and I
would liked to have seen a lot more details on
(50:02):
the suspect and where this investigation is headed, and the
cover up apparently by Chris Ray's FBI rather than sort
of you know, this teamwork performance that we got instead.
So this this apidated, this complaint will be helpful in
giving put some putting some warm meat on the bone.
But Clay, what was said during the press conference is
(50:24):
very important. This discovery identifying the suspect was not based
on new information or evidence, right, they were working off
what they already had, just putting new investigators, fresh pairs
of eyes on this, which means that the Ray FBI
has had had that for years. So this was an
intentional decision by someone, whether it was Chris Ray, whether
(50:47):
it's Steven Dantuano was the DC FBI chief at the
time overseeing the pipe investigation. So someone or somebody's made
conscious choice to pursue this, but to pretend at the
same time that the FBI actually was looking for this person.
So you know, as I said, there are big ram
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the stations for this, and I hope that we hear
more from the FBI and the dj about what they
had when they had it. The fingerprints all over that
information early on, and then he made the decision to
shut the whole thing down.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
Yes, Julie, we appreciate the time. Again, this is a
breaking news story. I know you're going to have a
crazy day. We're trying to make sense of it all.
But I think certainly the idea that this was a
white supremacist led revolt against the United States government would
be challenged if the most violent alleged perpetrator was a
young black man connected to Antifa, as the detail seemed
(51:50):
to suggest he was based on the based on the
information that's coming out here, So well, hey.
Speaker 4 (51:57):
Great, put yourself. Put us back to April of twenty
Let's say that Chris Ray does announce this arrest of
this individual and he's a young black man, no ties
to MAGA, but has ties to Antifa. There would be
no January sixth insurrection narrative. It would have been over. Yeah,
it could not allow that to happen. And this is
a scandal of massive proportion, and that should be the
(52:20):
biggest takeaway today.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
And then I think, Julie, to build on top of that,
a lot of people are going to start to say, Okay,
what motivated this twenty five year old at that point
in time to decide to do this, and then he
vanishes for five years and doesn't do anything else, and
he's living at his parents' house in northern Virginia and
we suddenly find him, like what is his vag It
(52:44):
just they're an awful lot of lone wolfs that seem
who engage and I'm using quotation marks for those watching
on video, who engage in acts of violence that we hear, Oh,
they had no connection to anyone else. Isn't it kind
of suspicious how often that seems to happen.
Speaker 4 (53:00):
It is happening more often, And I think that this
is something that that FBI, that Cash and Dan are
going to have to address straight on. I mean, if
we are expected to believe that this individual did this
on his own, we could see him on a phone.
We can see him using his glasses to like peer
for an address, we can see him retracing his steps.
(53:22):
This was not a sophisticated operation that this kid did
on his own. Who would be working at his behest.
And then Clay, like you and I and you Buck
and I have talked about for years the very suspicious
surroundings of related to the discovery at the R and
C and the DNC. I still believe that something Morner
(53:45):
FERI's happened in that timeline that day on January sixth,
right before those discoveries, than what happened with this individual
who is arrested today.
Speaker 1 (53:55):
Well remember, I mean, there's that video of Kamala Harris,
supposedly an incredible danger coming within what a few feet
of the alleged pipe bomb, and nobody notices it and
they didn't turn into a huge story. I think you've
talked about this in the past, when you know you're
about to be elected as vice president and there's a
pipe bomb in close proximity to you and nobody seems
(54:16):
to be concerned about it. Anyway, There's a lot here,
and I appreciate you coming on, and I think a
lot of this is going to continue to be explained
and to be unraveled as we go forward so that
there's more sense to be made here. But we appreciate
the time and thank you for everything that you've been
doing on these cases. You soon thinks that's Julie Kelly.
(54:37):
I'll try to get to a couple of your calls
when we come back, because again I'm trying to read
this affidavit in real time and analyze it as a
major breaking news and again, at a minimum, this is
destructive to the narrative of Jan six than a seismic way.
That now a young black man who appears to have
(54:58):
been of left wing ideology is arrested as the foremost
violent actor of the Jan sixth window. It's just big news.
It is huge news. And they couldn't find this guy
for five years. Biden had four years when they were
dragging Grandma's out of their house, when they were looking
(55:20):
for everyone on Jan. Six and they couldn't find the
guy who was engaged in potentially the most heinous of
the potential violent acts of anybody. Again, a lot going
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