Episode 149 | "Three Times Louder" w/ Liim

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@LIIMNOTLIIM

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Yeah, you've seen the frustration overlaps.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's the chronics, Stacey.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
He is now into the gangster mode. You know what
I'm like of lictory like like like a lictory like.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yo, it's victory like baby, you know what time it is, money,
you better get murder human jority the fly, Baby, I'll
keep it wavy. You know what I mean today? You
know what I'm saying. It's only the most illustrious guess
upon this program, bro, because this is the most relevant,
culturally popping, most important. You know what I'm saying, fly
ill whatever I use, if you want to use. You
know what I'm saying. This is it right here. You

(00:50):
know what I mean. Look at me in my eyes.
I'm not lying and I'm proving to you right now
because we got a double waman today, a yo, you
feel me. We got I'm not even gonna say older
than man. We got the past, the president in the
future in the building at the same motherfucking time. Bro.
One of my idols you know what I'm saying, musically,
you know what I mean, and one of my soon

(01:10):
to be idols musically, we got Sycamore in the motherfucker house,
super Bowar. We know that motherfucker drop and we got
lean in the motherfucker house, the Young God, the Future Rat.
You know what I'm saying. I'm not trying to hype
it too much. I'm just saying I'm hyping it enough. Okay,
So y'all get ready to listen. Thank y'all for coming.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Through, man, Thanks for having us.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Appreciate y'all man for real listen. We were talking off
camera about a lot of different shit. Thanks, but one
of the first things I wanted to say was thank
you the first and foremost, because low key, this has
not happened without you putting the battery in my back
back in like two thousand and nine and being one
of like my first fifty Twitter followers, and I was like,
oh shit, fucker. Sycamore followed me. I'll told yo, think

(01:52):
up funny, this shit is crazy, y'all right, this little
black but this little bullshit block, bro, So thank you,
I'm saying, you walk.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
But it would have absolutely happened without me, because funny
is funny, you know what I'm saying. So it was
only a matter of time before the whole world is covery.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Hey, bro, I appreciate that crazy Heylean in the building. Bro,
there is something about you fam musically. You know what
I'm saying, your whole vibe. I pulled up by the way, CPT.
You know what I'm saying, Like I pulled up late.
I'm sorry, you know what I'm saying. But Lean was
outside chilling and I pulled up and just bro. Immediately

(02:26):
I was like, this dude is cool. Like even if
he did a rap, I'll be like, Yo, let's hang out.
You know what I'm saying, Like I got five match me, Bro,
Let's go get an l Like, let's go sit in
the park and just chop it up. So yo, So listen,
there's a special reason why they are here together. You
know what I'm saying. Lean is signed to Three Times Louder.

(02:47):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
I started Three Times Louder with my boy Scott in
twenty twenty three, and the idea was to support like
new artists in post pandemic New York.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Right.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
So I was working on an album in twenty one,
and I was back and forth from New York to
LA and New York at the time. You got I
think twenty twenty one, the first summer after COVID, after Riots,
after Black Lives Matter after the police was fucking hands
off after the fire crack because it was crazy. So
twenty twenty one, I said, I sat here and I
worked on this album the whole summer in the West Village,

(03:19):
and I was like, Oh, this New York has changed.
It's like the people who were like making the city
whack from the twenty tens and it was all here
from Europe or whatever, they all left because they got scared.
There was half boxed up. But the people who stayed
here turned into like super New Yorkers. They turned into
a new generation in New York. It's like they got
all the apartments, they got all the places, they got
all the storefronts.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
There was the old mi cron of New Yorkers.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
Twenty tens, everyone was like, you're gonna move to LA,
You're gonna move here, You're gonna move there. Twenty twenties,
no one has. No one's having that conversation. If you
survived the pandemic in New York, you are never leaving.
And I wanted to build a label to help support
that new generation, you know artists, and Lim was the
first artist that we signed. In November one, twenty twenty three,

(04:06):
almost two years to the day, and I can't think
of a better representation of.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
The New New York than Lane, because you were saying
like that, this is a direct quote, like you were
obsessed with finding that that voice, that like encapsulation of
what you're talking about, like that post pandemic.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
Tough, cool, brasilient, like hustlers, charming, like just everything that
because you know, like this New New York is they're
gonna figure it out themselves. Theyre gonna figure out where
to live, how to eat, how to move, They're gonna
be on a plane, they're gonna be traveling.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Like, to me, this is the best edition in New
York ever. And I always call Lim like the Anthony
Bourdain of like New New York City culture. You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
He just knows where to be if you in the
right spot and you see Lam like, oh yeah, I'm here,
I'm where I'm supposed.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
To be, right this this is what is act, this
is what's happening.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Yeah, Like he would be successful whether he was making
music or he was fashion, whether you're skating, whatever he
wanted to do.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
True haller nigga.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
And speaking of that as a Bronx, dude, Like there's
like mutual respect between like three areas I want to say,
and it's Brooklyn, Halem, and the Bronx, like those three hoods,
like we'll be like, man, fuck yeah, y'all do your
little thing over there. But there's like a deep down
there's like a respect because I would go to Brooklyn
and be like, yo, is crazy. Well I go to

(05:27):
hallm and be like, damn niggas they got better jackets together.
This shit is crazy, Like what the fuck is going on?
But there was like always like a respect man standing
out in the Queens. No shots, but it wasn't. It
was a really part of the conversation like that. I
was like, well, Halem particularly, it's like, yo, we get fly,
we get money. You know what I'm saying. We moving
you know what I'm saying, were moving around, We're doing

(05:48):
different shit. And like we talked about this off Mike.
If you in the Bronx and you like skating, you
really gotta fucking like skating, bro, and you gotta you
gotta absorb a lot of motherfuckers being like Yo, this
nigg skip that ship is fucking cool. Tony Hawk, you
speaking Tony Hawk you know what I mean. But all
of them I feel like experimenting this more accepted bro.

(06:12):
But if you do some flash it with your whole
chest like yo out here, Yeah, that's that's everywhere. Though,
I feel like you got to just be that type
of nigga. Though.

Speaker 5 (06:20):
It's like like you said, like you gotta just be
the type of nigga that's like, yeah, I don't give
a nigga like you some white ship.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Like some funk you up.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Man.

Speaker 5 (06:31):
Like it's funny too, like if iut a fight, like
you really gotta fight a nigga off a skateboarding like
that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
That's crazy, bro, Like you know there's so much ship
like that. Bro, it's just like you gotta like, yo,
I gotta fight you because I listen to house music
like what like who the fuck is going on? But
it really be like that, man. Like, So going back
to like Lean being the first artist sign like did
you know who's sick? Like about Sycamore, like his legacy,

(06:58):
what he's been doing in the game for like all
this time.

Speaker 5 (07:01):
Yeah, I'm not gonna lie like my cousin, my older
cousin cast he used to play six shit and with
like as a kid, but I didn't remember that. But
I had talked to cast. I'm like, yo, I'm Finna
Scientists label ran by Sycamore. He's like, yo, I did
that used to play this and not. So I'm like,
oh shit, and he played me this ship and I

(07:22):
remember this shit from being a kid and whatnot. But
it's not like I was around my cousin that much.
But those couple of times when we was in a
way alright, oh so yeah. But other than that, I
did my research and whatnot for me as I should.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
And this whole thing is different right now because we
were doing an interview and the head of the label
is here with the artist. That is, unless it's like
a J. Prince situation where it's just like a nigga,
you know what I'm saying, like just my order. It
ain't like that though.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
It's not like that no more.

Speaker 5 (07:52):
It's a new generation.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
Like the twenty tens made all deals like licensing deals,
artists on their own masters. Now it's like true partnerships,
you know what I'm saying. All at like old school
Jay Prince, Shug.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
Knight, all that's dead.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
Like these new age artists they're the boss, the better
and they come and do partnerships with you, Like it's
like joint ventures every time you come out here.

Speaker 5 (08:10):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
And that's the way it should be, because I think
back in the day, artists are getting taken advantage of,
and you know, you have all these artists with these
terrible stories and going on broke. Now this new generation
of artist is gonna be rich as fuck, controlling ip
control their masters. And that's what I want my legacy
to be. I want people to look back, like, look
at all these artists who help break and make rich

(08:32):
and have great albums and classics. To me, that's kind
of ill. Like you look at some of these people
we won't really name. They can't hang out with their
artists like twenty years later, Like I want to know what, I.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Want to hang out with his kids. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
I want to I want it to be like a real,
real thing, you know what I'm saying, Like you know
who I always like that, Like the careers are like coaches,
like a coach, k you know what I'm saying, Like
a nigga, Like Kobe didn't even go to Duke. He
just go back and talk to coach k about shit
or like Kyrie, no matter how big they got. And
that's why I want to be like as a New
York Like, I don't mind being a.

Speaker 5 (09:07):
New York og.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
I think that's that's fucking great. I think that's the
coolest thing.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
In the whole world because I'm running around for twenty
years trying to twenty five years trying to figure it out.
And I can take everything I learned, all my resources
and make it easier for the new generation. And then
you have a new generation of super ill mute and
motherfucking X men just running around the city.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
I can't think of nothing, Doug, and they're talking about
mute X men bro.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Like it really like when I listen to your shit,
it's like so like there's like elements of soul, Like
you know how niggas talk about wine, you know what
I'm saying, Like there's notes of leather into back, yeah,
like current and Cherry. I'm like there's notes of Steve
Lacy right and Max b early Harlem and very Harlem

(09:54):
taste here. Like musically, like when you listen to shit,
like does it directly influen as you like what influences
your music? Other music, fucking video games like the ship
you eat like you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (10:07):
I think, fortunately and unfortunately I'm mad like susceptible to
being inspired by some ship. So it's like when I
hear whatever, I be avoiding listening to a lot of
artists like a lot, or I avoid a lot of artists.
But when I hear something, I'm like, this is actually
I connect to this. I will only listen to that
for three thousand years, like straight. So, yeah, me ask

(10:28):
you a question. Because I asked a lot of people
this question. I feel like I'm weird because I do this.
If you find a song that you really fuck with
that's almost you loop it.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, you just put it on repeat and I'll just like,
I'll be on a two hour drive with the same
songs on repeat. Okay, cool, I'm not crazy.

Speaker 5 (10:44):
Niggas get tight at me because I didn't even know
that that was something that niggas don't do. So when
I'll be in a like I'll be like in the
uber or whatever, I always playing the same song like yo, like,
switch it up.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
For two hours, listen to this.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
Sh I'm not DJing.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
I do the little I do the ship, the little
fade into to ship so that don't keep Yeah, we
listen until we saw the Son again for the twentieth
time in a row because it hit you know what I'm.

Speaker 4 (11:16):
Saying, They gotta war the lyrics and one night to
so for me connect to it more and I do
it with my son. Now I'll be playing the same
song over and over. But now when I play the song,
he's just look at me.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Like this up yo. Speaking of that, Like is that
like when you have because I have four kids, when
you have kids? Bro, Like does that kind of like change?
Like does does that not? Does that change what you
listen to? But like the approach for musically in general,

(11:47):
be like I'm not talking about just what you listen to,
but like working with lean like all this other stuff
that you do musically free fatherhood and post fatherhood like this,
is that anything that changed? Because like I feel like
when I everything that I do has changed the post
Havo kids right across the board, like comedy everything, you
know what I'm saying. So, like I'm curious to.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
I think the biggest thing for me for having a
kid I'm only fifteen months in, is you start realizing
what's human nature? Versus like like somebody's personality, like somebody
wanted something to accomplish it. Like the biggest thing my
some wanted to do in the last three months is.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
Climb the steps. And every day he would just try
to climb the steps. Now can he get down? Probably not.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
I watch him go up four steps and come back
six steps and come back eight steps and come back.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
When he got up there, he's like, yeah, celeb like clapping.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
His hands or like listening to music like he loves
BINGO b I g O, or like if you're happy,
you know, clap your hands. Like Call and response starts
really young. So that really helps you when you go
to the office of the studio because you're like, okay,
some things are just you see why certain songs are big.
You see certain things are big. So that's the thing

(12:56):
that like, that's old. I think that's probably the thing
that Seeson like I'm starting to see what's like human
nature versus nature versus nurture.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
You just fuck me up. I never thought.

Speaker 5 (13:08):
About to tap into the lullabies go back to the roots.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Do you feel me?

Speaker 5 (13:11):
Bring that back?

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Dog yo? And it's funny, is like I just like
literally last night I want a fucking toilet bro just
scrolling the unchlor rhythm and I got the fucking the
top five Red Lama Lama Red Pajama Fir styles and
it was glow real and I was like, damn, she's fucked.
But I'm like, that's this kid ship, like you know
what I mean, But it's it just shows like again,

(13:33):
human nature, the kids ship ends up being adult ship,
you know what I'm saying, just with a different like
veneer over it, you know what I mean. You've been
in the game for a long time and you've been
involved in like the label, you know what I mean,
like major label like Legacy Media. You know what I'm saying,
Like for a long time, what is some ship that

(13:54):
you know with artist cyclean like that. You're like, Yo,
we are not gonna do this like.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
You think I'm I made my career protecting all the
artists I work with from dealing with a lot of bullshit,
you know what I'm saying, Like I would deal with
all the bullshit of the politics, say no for most
of the stuff, so by the time it never even
get to them. So like now when I deal with
the label's kind of like the same thing, Like you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Like, and that's a goal A and R ladies and gentlemen.
That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
Like I know, Liam don't like doing a lot of
like platform me stuff like I gotta go to iHeart.
I don't know I how heart to sponsor anything, but
he don't like so I just kind of even before
it gets to him or his management, I just make
sure just to dub it because like I know what
my guy is about, I know where he's trying to go,
and I think, like I just if he wanted to

(14:42):
be the best version of himself in a tot originally,
we can't force like a round peg into a square hole.
So I think that's like the thing that I do
with me and my team. It's just like I just
try to solve ninety eight percent of the problems until
it gets to them to get to them, like you know,
like I'm actually you do some real shit because I
don't make you do bullshit. So I think that because

(15:03):
I want, like if you're gonna make X Men, like
X Men have like superpowers, right, you can't have somebody
like they said, like they say, if you judge, if
you judge, like officious intelligence and this ability to climb
a tree. You think it's dumb, you know what I'm saying.
So why would I go put him in a situation
that is not for him?

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Right? And that's crazy to hear, bro because a lot
of the times that is not the case at all,
Like you know what I'm saying. I know for myself
of dealing with legacy media, Like it's just like yo,
here's the list of ship you gotta do, Like go
do it like you want to? You want this ship
or not?

Speaker 5 (15:38):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Where it's just like, bro, hold on, there's got it.
I don't have to sit down with Wendy Williams. Bro,
Like it's not necessary for me to be successful. But
why am I doing? You know what I'm saying? And
you just kind of gold on for the ride? Have
you have you noticed that? Like you know what I'm saying,
because since you know, being signed, like was there other

(15:59):
labels than you or like other people being like yo
yo yo, come dude yo, just sign right here, chip bro.
You know what I'm saying. We going to the HUMPT
just this weekend. Get we get the US open.

Speaker 5 (16:10):
You know what I mean? I mean? Thankfully though, like
I don't know. I feel like I've never been too
naive and I feel like I don't know, I really
go off energy, so I could tell somebody is really
on some like some bullshit, or somebody is like interested
in what I'm really doing, what I'm trying to do.
So like and I took a few meals and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Bro, that's you gotta do that. That's a hall of
nigga right there. That's all you know what. Definitely not
signing him these three lobsters.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
You're taking me to Lucy and.

Speaker 5 (16:45):
My nigga exactly Lucien for me exact. Yeah, yeah, I
mean there's a lot of that, bro. Definitely, but we're
still getting meals. Get Jacob.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
You know what I'm saying, Yo, listen, that was my
favorite shit to do is take me is just like
knowing like I doing sh here, Bro, I'm about to
order for five hennesses your victor. When when I first
when he met first met me, he was just like, Yo,
come to the W at fourteenth Street and all you
got money. I'm coming from the block. I thought that
ship was meant money. Apparently the W was not money,
but I was just like I pulled up. I was
just like Yo, let me get four hennessyes immediately and

(17:22):
it was just like, oh, yeah, we know this ticket
is from eastreatmont speaking of Ease Street, moont your music
is very New York, like I said, in a way
that a nigga like me picks up like Montanna is
just like shoot, you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah,
what is it like? And I said, like the notes
of Max b Right, there's something about Max in particular,

(17:46):
y'all talk to me about it, like break this down,
help me, help help me solve for X with this
ship because like this, I've always thought about this. There's
something about Max where I was outside for Coke Wave.
You was outside for Coke We men of a certain age,
you know what I'm saying. But then like also like
your generation really connects with the Wave God the Silver Surfer,

(18:08):
you know what I'm saying, Like, what is it like
about Max that's like hitting with that younger audience, like
because like I said, like it hit for me because
it's like it's like it's like nostalgia, you know what
I'm saying, Like I remember I hear like I hear
like if I hear like you know what I'm saying
he's trying to hear me come with damn man running

(18:28):
these niggas Ennis Studio. Like I just like I go
back and I'm just like, bro, I'm outside in front
of Edge Building and I have no shirt on and
I'm drinking a Paul Masan. It's warm. I just smoked
the bus down Newport. Like it's just memories flooding back.
What is it about like your generation? Because it wasn't
like it wasn't like Max men you know a wall

(18:51):
for a minute.

Speaker 5 (18:52):
I feel like it's a multitude of things, right Like
I found out about Max B not through being from Harlem.
I found about I found about Max B from skateboarding
because the skater niggas fucking Max be heavy on some
corny ship. Though I'm not gonna lie that's some corny ship.
But what Max B's music and like my Pops is

(19:13):
a Harlem nigga too for me, Like the way when
I when I would be around my Pops, we I
would seehim interact with niggas like niggas like nigga like
for me like like that my Pops, I feel like
that's passed down to me too as a person. So
I relate to that. I'm like, for me, he laid
back nigga. He's not doing too much. It's some wavy ship.
It's fly with fly ship. I'm not it's not many

(19:36):
artists like Max B at all. That's on some genuine
like I don't give a fuck that nigga. Jim Jones.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
This day just say.

Speaker 5 (19:51):
Like that's it is funniest ship. And that's really what
I grew up around, Like all all the for me,
the men that I grow up around, it's just like
this nigga. So it just reminds me of home bro,
simple as that.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
Yeah, And that's what I was going to say too,
Like we all know somebody like Max B. But it's
not it's only one Max Be in music, you know
what I'm saying. That level of confidence. It's like I
think the closest person in the media is maybe like
a Cat Williams almost like it's hard. Like Prince was
kind of like that too, Like this kind of like
kind of wavy fly like you know what I'm saying,
got the heir of the perm.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
But they're still a nigga, like like whatever they do
is universally like Yo, that's fire.

Speaker 4 (20:29):
Just confident little, but just like yo, it was crazy
how he came. And I don't think like I think
what I've realized now as I get older. There's certain
people who were like huge at the time, but they
weren't originals. And so when you go a little later,
like it's like a like an artist like somebody might
like die in airbust or like an artist who or basquat,

(20:51):
they were bigger after their death because people are, oh.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
Damn, they was really on some shit.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
So like twenty years later, the same people who might
have been big at the time, I don't know who
was big in New York around that time, but like
later picked the new generation like oh I really fuck
with the Locks or I really fuck with Max B.
I might not focus some other people from back then
who might have been a lot bigger because people realize like, oh,
they was really like you know, like the new generation
ain't love Big L.

Speaker 5 (21:13):
That always kind of blows my mind because that's like
the first rapper I ever really listened to big which is.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
Crazy to me because back like in the late nineties,
Big L was probably like rapper number like one hundred
and seven, like he was he was never here. But
then later down, like people went back rediscovering him and
now he's a lot of people's like top.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Five ligity, like.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Ligity, Like, Bro.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
It's so crazy to me to watch like cause, like
I said, like my oldest is fourteen, and like seeing
like what they pick and choose out of that like era,
you know what I'm saying, Like I call like the
DVD era when like motherfuckers just put a camera up
and like that's what me really solidified. Max to me
was just like the swag of the energy. The man,
I'm not doing what your niggas is doing.

Speaker 5 (21:59):
Man, y'all go this.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Wait man, I'm going up. Yeah, you know your niggas
doing nothing. Your niggas just sitting up there. You know
what I'm saying, watching this sicker workout. Man, you niggas
do nothing. Bro. That is one of the He's just
like a like a funny like you said, like that,
everybody knows a Max being, you know what I'm saying,
And there's like a relatability there.

Speaker 5 (22:18):
And I feel like even like on some ship like
going back to talking about skateboard and being different in
the hood, that's some ship I've always been on, Like
I don't give a fuck. I'm still gonna do this right.
But your niggas doing this, niggas hooping, I'm skating.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
I'm skating, Like yo, y'are going this way.

Speaker 5 (22:30):
I'm going up niggas skating, I'm ice skating.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
I'm gonna get icy with it like that. But that's
the fact. But Yo, you brought up a great point,
and I was, this is this is the solving for
extra me. What part of the generation fucks with it
the way that you fuck with it? Because it's like, Yo,
this remind me my uncle, this remind MEPs. I can
relate to this, this is home versus the they fuck
with it in a like kind of like a corny way.

(22:54):
I had it's performative because I thought about it the
same thing with Cameron, Like I don't know if you remember,
Like I feel like it was like two thousand and
five or six seven. Maybe I'm a timeline as well
fucked up. But Cam became like a meme like the
pink fur with the fit and niggas putting the shit
on T shirts and it was just like a whole
meme thing. And I feel like he ran with it.

(23:16):
But it's just like bro, like that white kid from
Australia has never heard SD You know what I'm saying,
they never heard you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (23:23):
Like the Fire, those were great projects, great albums, great songs.
But what he did for like masculinity and men wearing
pink was huge.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
That's like an iconic fashion moment. He didn't even just
wear it pink to one time, yo.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
You know what I'm saying, he won. He had a
pink range, the old sodden and motherfucker seen that being
from the Bronx. Bro, We've seen that shit in West
Farms plenty of times. Bro. That's I feel like, that's
you know, the whole Jim Jones is from the Bronx thing.
That's what made me feel like, oh this is true
because I've seen this truck like eighteen times, Bro in
the hood, dude in the Bronx like not like yo,

(24:00):
ha been for the bro getting sneaky, nah bro, even
vice type like.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
But he made it like ultimate masculinity. Like what you're
gonna say to me, fact that was for you. They fashion,
they rebelliousness. That's what Dipset had. That's what Max we had,
Like the BB's you know, what I'm saying. It's just
everything about it. It was like we like and that's Harlem, right,
It's like y'all going here, we're doing this Harlem. Just
they'll do something until you do it, and as soon
they say you do it, they'll stop it right off

(24:26):
that they'll take that if you wear the jacket and
they think you corny'll take the jacket off right then
and there like it's over.

Speaker 5 (24:32):
Sick watched their first hand too. I had a whole
album right like when I first signed the whole album,
A certain artists dropped the song with the same name
as my album. I strapped the whole album.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
How did you feel about that? You was like you like, yo, listen,
this is your process, Champ. You do what you do.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
You know what I'm saying because I'm in there with them,
you know what I mean, because it's like, all right, well, yeah,
he did drop a project. I don't want to ever
be number two, like you know we're trying to be originally.
We don't want to do nothing that you know when
you search for this ship, I don't want them. I
don't want nothing, nothing else, nothing close like we want
everything we do over here to be just like original,
like original, this is the source fact, you know what

(25:12):
I'm saying, because it's like we in deep in Bushwick,
like you know, everybody's like seventeen nineteen twenty two, Like
you know what I mean. This is everybody got their
own little superpower in this motherfucking like dojo. You know,
it's like the Professor x lab and you know, you know,
you meet and Lien today, and it's going to be
so many different people's coming from this lineage. And I think,

(25:32):
like I honestly think, like three times I was going
to be like one of the greatest institutions for artists
coming out ever, you know, And if you're gonna do that,
you gotta be original. It might take a little longer
to get there at the beginning, you know, you know,
trying to go digital marketing, viral, whatever, but when you
take a special nigga to grind at the top, you know,
like I said, Lian he signed in November first, twenty

(25:54):
twenty three. He put out an album twenty two months later,
singles album Stacked. You know, but guess what when he's there, Yeah,
he's never leaving, right because he done break by breaks R.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
There's a foundation and so if somebody discovers you, they're
not just going back and hearing two other st It's like, oh,
this got a whole catalog and this is fire.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
And they're looking at Oh everything is originally him, but
like now now it's really eat to see, like this
is source material. Like we even a new project. We've
seen some bigger artists like stealing the rollout, like you know,
people you wouldn't think like you're like damn o G
like you.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
We look up to you, like yeah, like Quomo bite
and mom Donny's flow exactly.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
But it's cool though, because you know, like since you
get it from the source, like you're always going to
have more, you know, because they they a little too
far removed.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Like he said, it's good, but it's not exact, you
know what I'm saying. But we talked about Max as
an influence, but what is some other like influences and
what like what is something that's like maybe people wouldn't
expect you know what I'm saying, because you know, we're
talking about musical taste or whatever off mic and ship
and like my shit is all over the place.

Speaker 5 (27:05):
Shit, I feel like my influence is the span of
what they come is like insane. So I'm like, it's
like I'm inspired by food. For me, I'm inspired by health.
I'm inspired by books. And then the funny part about
books too, is like I have a hard time reading

(27:26):
like a full book and sitting down and reading it
because once I get the point of the book, I'm done.
I'm like, I'm like, all right, man, I already knew
this exactly right. But you know, I'll read the cover
of book and it'll give me a whole my whole
own perspective and interpretation, and I'll put that in the music.
You know, like this wasn't necessarily my idea, but my

(27:47):
homie Oprah. We had a song. We wrote a song
called Atomic Habits. This nigga did not read the book.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (27:52):
I asked him what the book about. He like, it's
about a nigga with some habits. I'm like, atomic, but
like when that's one of our best songs when we
were because I was in the duo with Mahommie Oprah
when I and it's called the Tomic Habits. But you know,
we just read the cover of it. We both know
we read the cover of the book and just feel
me the whole concept from that even though it really didn't.

(28:14):
I mean, yeah, it relates to the book, but it's
not you know what I mean. But feel me shit
like that very simple.

Speaker 4 (28:19):
Ship like and his album, like he got a song
he's rapping in French. He got a song that it's acoustic.
He got a song as R and B. He got
a song this straight hip hop. He got a song
that's like, it's crazy. It's like he has such a
wide range of music on his project.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
That's why I was gonna Stapshable. But but that's why
I was going next. It's what genre could you even
put this album under? Cause it's like like you're saying,
like it's it's it's all over the place in the
best way possible, you know what I'm saying. But it's
all over this But it's still like seems like like
like an album, which is another thing, which is like
I don't know if that's your influence, if that's something

(28:55):
that comes naturally from you or like you being like
a like a like a unk. You know what I'm saying,
it being like, Yo, I want a body of work.
Don't give me thirteen singles, man, give me a body
of work. You know what I'm saying, And like this
ship is very much like that. Like I just turned
it on and just hit play and go. You know
what I'm saying. Like I was listening on the right
up and I'm just it's just like and go. There's

(29:16):
no like, yo, I really like this joint. So I'm
like going back to the like yo, I'm gonna loop
this song for twenty hours. I was just like, you
know what, I'm just hit. I'm gonna just hit the
regular loop, hit the big mop, not with the one.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
He went over there and he's been working on his
album the whole time. And when he said I scrapped
the Red Button, that was probably like nine months into it.
And he's been working on his album, working with different people,
Like he scrapped I only just scrapped the name. He
scrapped the song.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
So what do you do with those songs? And you
just like fuck it? They never coming out?

Speaker 5 (29:48):
Shit, who need some songs?

Speaker 2 (29:52):
If you need some songs? You know what I'm saying?
He got weight.

Speaker 5 (29:57):
Now, Yeah, I mean I was mad attention of the
funny enough like I made the project that many songs
just because of a tattoo. A guy. It's not there's
no meaning behind the tattoo. I turned seventeen, I got
a tattoo that said seventeen. I'm like, we do seventeen tracks?

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Crazy because like, yo, so we had Mike up here
and I asked Mike. I was because it was like
the sequencing of his album was crazy, like the intro
was at the end of some crazy shit like that,
and I was just like, yo, bro let me be
real with you because I smoke mad weed in fact,
was that like on purpose? Or were you just fried?
And he was like, oh shit, nigg we forgot to
do the intro and he was just like, y'all was

(30:32):
just man fried. I forgot through the intro and motherfucker's
be thinking it's like some deep like super like yo,
this yo, this yo, listen, you're going to Reddit. It's
a whole Reddit thread. Yo. He named shit seventeen because
back in nineteen seventeen, you know what I mean, there
was a dude named Lean someone sound who liberated the
island of and you're like, bro hold broep. I was

(30:55):
just high. I was just like, yo, my tattoo okay quote,
y know, but that's the best simple man boom can
I listen. Going back to the teacher, k I keep
it simple, stupid. You know what I'm saying. Is there
so talk about influences and like, you know everything, books, food, everything, Yeah, people, artists, sounds, genres.

(31:20):
What is like like ship that you'll hear that you
be like, oh, is it? Is it a fucking cold
trade sample? Is it like fucking Arianna grind they hitting
a note? Is it like you know what I mean,
fucking yogurt jingle? You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (31:32):
Like, like me as an artist, I never searched for
music ever, Like I don't look for music intentionally because
I'm like, I just want that ship to find me.
So whenever I do end up finding, Like recently, I've
been listening to nothing but Project Pat every day, who
every day? Nothing Like, nothing but Project Pat every day.
That should go so long though, And then my older

(31:53):
brother he put me onto a band called Chic like
from the seventies and eighties and the like they have
like French songs and ship that kind of inspired the
French song on my album. And I got to repeat
though just that part. Okay, Yeah, So now yeah, like

(32:14):
I said, like I'm my lineages, I'm half Moroccan half
black for me, my mom grew up speaking French in
the households French and Moroccans. So I'm like, let me
do a French song for my mom's and yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
You go by enjoyed and that the met in French,
like real French, not meant ice cream.

Speaker 5 (32:33):
We we that real French for me type of ship.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Like, okay, so Morocco, when we getting we're getting the
French Montana collapse.

Speaker 5 (32:43):
I'm not gonna lie. I'll let the work with friends.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Come on, friends, Morocco connect, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeah, married a princess, right, that was crazy?

Speaker 2 (32:52):
That was crazy.

Speaker 5 (32:52):
Dog.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
I've seen that ship and I was like, dog, this
motherfucker bro as a bronx nigga. Man, that's I'm so proud.
I was like this nigga had a Kardashian walking down
Third Half. He had on a white T shirt and
some old lives and flip flops. I was like, this
nigga is hood. He had a car. That's you're walking
down third alf. Now he's about to marry the princesses.

(33:13):
Dubai and braised in like a pela.

Speaker 4 (33:16):
I'm like, yo, this is who is who's your top
five from the Bronx Parlem. So from the Bronx top
five you rank him however you feel like you just
talk Yeah, just like criteria is whatever you need in
top five in your eyes.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
And Bronx niggas in no particular order. Kr Ress French.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
They don't got to be rapids though.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Oh just oh okaya, Bronx's period all right, So boom
French Stanley, uh Jay I'm talking about he went to
d with Clay High School in the Bronx, which is
where I went, and in high school it counts, it counts,
so boom, So all this is gonna be he's so French.

(34:01):
Stan Lee, James Baldwin Krus and Ralph Lauren went to
de with Clinton High School as well. I don't know
if he's from the Bronx, but you know what I'm saying,
very influential motherfucker right there. That that's right there.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
And then but you don't got to do Bronx. You
got do Harlem.

Speaker 5 (34:24):
It's gonna head up. Fiona Apple from Harlem. Where she
goes to high school, I don't know, but she from
one Inside Drive That's where I'm from. Okay, Rocky of course, Max,
for sure. Let me, I gotta find it. I gotta
get a different one. Hold on, let me think some
something something interesting, uh from harlem.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
My pops he of course pops five.

Speaker 5 (34:53):
All right, hold on, yeah, it's gonna take me a second.
I want to think some eccentric ship.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
You started off about that niggas love when you go
left it on the top five.

Speaker 5 (35:07):
Uh damn oh biz Markey, Oh that's a body based
the bes.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Come on.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
I think for Brooklyn no Order, Mike Tyson of the
day that Mike Tyson lost the holly Field, it felt
like a part of Brooklyn died.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Bro. That was so crazy.

Speaker 4 (35:27):
That was crazy because I think it was the second time.
The first time, like everybody take it. The second time,
we thought like Superman died.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
It was crazy.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
But Mike is probably the most Brooklyn nigga ever.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Bro. That was the that was the second one was
the ear ship.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
The second one was that that was hurt when he
bit the nigga ear off.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah. That's because that to me signaled like, yo, I
can't beat this dude exactly. You know what I'm saying.
That's what it felt like Superman was dying because it
was just like yo, I had to go, so I
had to bite the sniggers ear off to try to
beat him.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
But Mike and his prime bro, I don't think Brooklyn
was ever that proud. It was crazy.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
He was just knocking niggas out everywhere in one round,
one round. I think too, Biggie, because I'm not too
but like the second.

Speaker 5 (36:06):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (36:06):
Because you know my name is Sycamore because of Biggie
or my Sycamore style more sick of than yours.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
That's how I got my name.

Speaker 5 (36:13):
That.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
He's my favorite rapper for sure, Biggie, I go Bobby
Fisher on my eccentric ship Chess Champion.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
You know what I'm saying, real, real, real, Uh David
David Geffen is from Brooklyn. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
Oh ship, yeahrom on some business ship and I got
I guess the time for the last one.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
I gotta go, my man, Spike. I can't hit.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Man was part of it.

Speaker 5 (36:44):
Yeah how you feel?

Speaker 3 (36:45):
I ain't feel good.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
I haven't seen it, so I have no opinion to
form yet.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
But he got enough good ship that he could do
some bullshit now though.

Speaker 5 (36:55):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Regularly he didn't sunk with it because it was like
not it wasn't given Spike, or was it just like
too commercial or it was just like that.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
It was it was a little bit of all that.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
All that.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
Yeah, it was just kind of like you know, like
but you know what, we're supposed to be allowed as
a culture to have movies like that because you know,
and like my man Scorsese go out and get them
old like the Narrow movies.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
What's that movie where they had like the Ai cgi face.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Younger, the Irishman, the Irishman.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
Yeah, so if they could do the Irishman, my man
can do highest.

Speaker 5 (37:26):
So low.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
You know what I'm saying, go get the bag, go
get the money, saying like Danzel like he's sixty seventies,
let me go.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Let them right, let them are you at this point? Man?

Speaker 3 (37:33):
They got Rocky in there.

Speaker 5 (37:34):
You know, they try to enjoyed it though I definitely
enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Fun.

Speaker 5 (37:39):
It was fun movie.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
That's what it is to me. It don't gotta listen.
This is the thing, like you're saying, like when you
got a body of work like Spike, bro, and it's
you got iconic, like do the right thing. You got Clockers.
You got all these joints that are just like, Yo,
this is Cinema twenty fix hour. Come on, you could
do the games? Yeah, super New York City movie. Come

(38:00):
on man, this is this is this Criterion collection ship
like you you allowed to do a fun movie? Yeah?
You know what I'm saying. Get you guys. We allowed
with him. We say, like the commissioner, go ahead, you rock,
make another one. Gang.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
I know you're friends with Mellow.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
I ain't trying to get you in trouble, but would
you consider him from New York or Baltimore?

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Yo, it's crazy because we was watching I was at
his crib yesterday, was watching the Bills Baltimore game, and
he's locked. He's a Ravens guy.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
So he's going back and forth.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Yeah you know what I'm saying. But then the Brooklyn
Brooklyn is so it's such an influential place that people
be like, people try to claim Mike Jordan.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
I mean he left when he was like three or five.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
You feel me like, I feel like going back to
the earlier part of like Hallam, Brooklyn and Bronx.

Speaker 5 (38:48):
It's like I was even about to say Park.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
Was in the mix a little bit do you feel
me in the mix a little bit?

Speaker 2 (38:55):
And that's the ship. Like I'll say, I would say,
like the clips. You know what I'm saying because they
from the Bronx.

Speaker 5 (38:59):
You know.

Speaker 4 (38:59):
You know what my cut off is for anybody. Like
when I say somebody where you're from and they start
talking too much, I say, where'd you go to high school?
And where after like two years, two and a half
years or one high school?

Speaker 3 (39:12):
That's where you're from me?

Speaker 4 (39:13):
Because when he's like, yo, I grew up here and
now my dad was in an army, I ain't trying
to hearing.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
That's the classic, like you ain't from you at all, gang.

Speaker 4 (39:23):
But when you're from like when you when you're out
of town and you meet somebody from New York and
you say you're from New York too. So this is
what usually happens, right the people they're not from New York.
Usually they fall automatically like nah, you know, I'm really
from Pokeepsie or Jersey. But then sometimes they keep it
going so they're like, okay, you're from Brooklyn. Okay, I'm
from Brooklyn too. Then they're like, what high school you

(39:44):
went to? Junior high school you went to? You can
go down to the block. Then the pizza shot. Then
they start saying the name you're supposed to know. It's
just you know Joe, you know, like you just are
going crazy and I feel like New York is the
most territorial place like that, Bro. We check people wherever
in the world, like are you really from New York?

Speaker 1 (40:07):
M of ligity like like like.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Of ligity, like like we g check everybody. Bro. We
are like the Kings of Gatekeeper, like you said, Bro,
like that conversation, that's an AI model. Like what I'm saying, like, Yo,
running to random New York nigga yo, and that goes
just like that every time. Yo. We're black though, you
know what I'm saying, Oh you know so and so
blah blah blah. You know my man Biz over there.

(40:34):
You know what I'm saying. He had the Lucy's right there.
You know you've ever been a boss store. He had
the bag, he's hand the cut he said, both of
them ships. Nigga had lucies too, And you're like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
You got to gate keep the city. Don It's crazy,
of course, and.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Especially what you're saying, like especially now post pandemic. Everybody
is here is a lean you know what I'm saying,
It's a super New Yorker. It's like, Bro, we gotta
really now we really got a gate keep because now
it's getting it's starting. Yo, listen, I'm gonna tell y'all
this because y'all y'all, I respect y'all's opinion and taste.
I feel like it's getting corny, Bro is getting corny

(41:07):
like this this corporate people hovering and they're just like
propping up certain people, like you know what I'm saying,
Like fam, if you were to say, like because I
saw a commercial yesterday, right and it was like it
was an NFL commercial, was like yo, every fan like
who represents every city, every team? You know what I'm saying,
And like I had done one before for the Knicks,

(41:28):
and I felt good, you know what I'm saying, cause
I was just like yeah, man, like I live and
die with the motherfuckering Nicks. Man. Like I remember ninety four,
I was in the fifth grade the daily news the
Rangers wanted with Stanley Cup and it was like, Yo,
the Knicks gonna win. They crossed out the one in
the zero news, Like ninety four is a year, and
I was like, Yo, we gonna make it happen. Ah,
And then they fucking put the Rizzler as the fucking Giants,

(41:49):
like representing like the the little fat nigga would I'm like, bro,
what this niggas from New Jersey? Like, Bro, what the
fuck is going on here?

Speaker 4 (41:58):
So I think that's a generation. What I've noticed with
the New York super like I call him the Super
New Yorkers. They'll just pimp the sht out of it.
They'll take a check, they'll take the money and flip
it and do something that they really want to do.
Like when you're like under twenty five in New York,
you kind of like take everything like it's a play
and like it's almost like it's almost like Robin Hood
like you steal from the ridge and bring it back
to the You see Lean moving around, like if you

(42:21):
see him on a you might see him by himself,
you might see him Roland twenty twenty five deep. It's crazy,
Like you know what I'm talking twenty twenty five deep.
It's not like hoodies and things. I'm talking about eclectic motherfuckers,
you know what I'm saying. Having to be girls, you know,
don't run down.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
Don't run Thank you, fam. This is this is filling
my heart with joy b because like that's exactly what
we was doing back in the day. FAM, Like on
the graffiti sit like yo. And it was never like Yo,
were going to Manhattan, We're going downtown, We're going to
sell was like, Yo, we're going to the city, right
you from Brooklyn from the Broncho, Yo, We're going downtown

(42:57):
to the city. And we would go down there bloodlow
old Lower east Side pianos, go up there and Steve
Text tearing shit up, and it'd be we'd be thirty deep.
But like you said, it's like ten girls with us.
It's two shorties from fucking like Westchester that just tagged
the law popped out like but again, don't run down.
And it was a lot of like meeting each other.

(43:18):
I tell the story all the time, like I was
with my man. It was like fourteen of us and
I was with my man Taze and y'all, y'all know
you'll know best big body Best.

Speaker 5 (43:26):
I'm familiar with the name.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Yeah, he's like he's the Albanian dudey he would be
with Actually Bronson, the lie and ship made him Mo
rent in them dudes, so like he's a graffiti writer.
You know what I'm saying. I did not notice, like
you know what I mean, like with the TV shit.
So like we walking down Fourteenth Street right this one
coffee shop, remember coffee shop. That ship was still honestly, sir,

(43:48):
come on sec you know. So we like we we
thirteen to fifteen deep whatever. We walking down towards there,
we see another group of like the same like mirror
image of us walking towards us. And I'm just like,
oh man, I think there's some Brooklyn niggas. Oh shit,
So I don't see I'm like scanning. I don't see nobody,

(44:10):
I know, you know what I mean. My man tases
with me and tases like the United Nations like that.
Nigga's like yo, when Yo smooth nigga, like Yo whiz,
y'all was just down in Queen's with my nigga shads. Bro,
he's over there on the seven line, yo, Yo. Where
you at? Y'all'm on Broadway Junction right now. My nigger
was shaken. I'm like, bro, you a bronx nigga, Brome

(44:31):
come back to the black. So he's like, yo, what's
good whiz to some random dude in that crowd, because
the closer we get, I'm like, oh, this is about
to be static, you know what I'm saying. Because it's
like goons mixed, you know what I mean, with the skateboarders,
mixed with the chorities, mixed with the dude with the
liberty spikes. You know what I mean. That just came
from Manitoba, you know what I mean. So when he

(44:52):
said that, I was just like, who sigh of relief. Bro.
And now we forty deep walking around and ship like tanging,
ship up, going crazy. So the fact that that shit
still happens, Bros, my.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Heart, it's the best part in New York.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
Fact, because when you leave the house, you just got
to be prepared not to leave the house and have
to come back to like three in the morning and
get into anything.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Anything, Bro, Anything can happen, man, Like, that's the that's
the most funny shit about this city. Bro, that every
like every like. I don't like to ship on other cities, bro,
but this there's no other city I can't think of
in the world. No, it's not like that, you know.

Speaker 4 (45:31):
I used to always glorify Lonon like Lenon like they
style like everything you know, having London they shut down
around eleven o'clock.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
Yeah, city's over, it's over.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
I'm like, oh yeah, this shit doesn't open till eleven o'clock.
It's like, y'all got about fourteen hours for the Queen.

Speaker 5 (45:44):
Make you get back in the house.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
That shit is crazy to me. I stand on this ship, bro.
New York City is the only city. Bro.

Speaker 5 (45:53):
You recently learned this about how much I love New
York Like I was like, like, I all love to LA,
Like I love La, right, don't love La. I was sick.
Oh sick, I can't move, dog can't go or you.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
Know, you know Billy Joe man New York state of
mind because he's living in LA where Yeah, he was
just so sick of living in LA.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
He just wrote the whole and he missed it so much.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
And if that shit hits, it hits the way it
does because of that, probably because he was in the
hotel room and Beverly Hills, like, man, close shit in Miami. Please,
He's sad, but nah, it's it's I stand on this ship, bro.
New York City is the only city where you could
pop out at midnight with no plan nothing like and

(46:36):
just get into the most wildish ship and have a
story that you're gonna tell twenty years later exactly Like
you can't do that ship in like Columbus, Ohio, fam
you know what I'm saying. No shots in Cleveland or
any you know what I'm saying, or even Miami, bro Like,
there's no other statement here.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
That's what that's it like if you because in Miami
and these other places, you gotta know people to get
into it.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
You gotta know somebody, promoter whatever.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
I gotta be like Art Basil, it's gotta be like
f one or you just said the beach.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
You just have the beach, Yeah, which I could do
at at your beach. You know what I'm saying. I
ain't gotta do all that. Going back to like the
history the tapesman like I said, like influential as fuck
for me for lem like subconsciously, for for me consciously,
Like Yo, I gotta get this new Sick tape. This
is gonna be something's gonna be on it. It's gonna
be a banger. I think I think I heard I

(47:25):
think the first time I heard guns for Sale was
on the Sick tape.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
Yeah, that makes sense, you know, you know what it
was for me, like everybody had they like because I
gotta take you back to like two thousand and one.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
I'm talking about like before the pandemic was like nine
to eleven. City was just crushed.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
To the building this fucking week.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
It was.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
It was a different city.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
You don't know if they're gonna bomb again. It was
a whole other thing. And I started my career maybe
like two months after that, like November. My first mixtape
was Anthrax on Wax.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (48:02):
And you know, like I started going. You know, my
friend in high school, I was in twelfth grade when
I started. My friend told me about Canal Street. When
can Now Street, I mean Cawstre's still boo legs when
they had like a lot of bootleg CDs and stuff.
So I started selling Canal Street Bargain Bizarre in downtown Brooklyn.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
My dream story.

Speaker 4 (48:20):
I wanted to sell my cit CDs and with Sammy's fashion, yeah,
because he used to shot him Mount and Clue tapes
all the time, and all I the elite people got Sammy,
Sammy's fashion and Bronx, I need to get it there.
That was just like that was like the best of it.
So then like I actually got put on by somebody
from Harlem. It was a guy named DJ Action Pack.
He lived on one hundred and fifteenth and fifth and

(48:41):
he made me like a deal, like he would press
all my CDs up, he would give me like eight
hundred to two thousands for free, and he would sell
the rest out of town.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
And that was like the deal.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
And that was a great deal.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
And I was in a crew named Get Money Nation.
It was me DJ Todd Boogie Top Boogie lived like
on Madison, which was the one that goes straight up Park. Yeah,
he lived like on Park and one twenty ninety thirties.
What's the name of those projects over there? Parking one thirty.
If I'm not sure, I don't know, I wouldn't be
over there, you.

Speaker 5 (49:08):
Know, you more west side. I was west side.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Oh he's yeah, He's like, I wasn't on the east side.
Fens and DJ DJ in.

Speaker 4 (49:17):
This it was like I was on I was with
all hall of the guy said, you know what I'm saying.
And then from there, from like two thousand and two
to two thousand and six. I would just be putting
on mixtapes every single month, month to two because it
would be like free money. If eight hundred cities me,
it's like sixteen hundred dollars or a thousand city two thousand.
So I was just like from sixteen or twenty one,
that's all I did. Then I got into like one point,
somebody got me a U. I met Just Blaze and

(49:41):
Just Blaze who was jay Z's producer at the time.
It was Just Blazing Kanye West. He had a late
he just finished the Black album and then for after
the Black Album, I was like I met him. I'm like,
if you gotta drop, you gotta start a label. Like
I'm nineteen at the time. You gotta start a label.
You gotta do this, you gotta do that, like Kanye
kicking your ass. Jay Z, what you're gonna do, And

(50:01):
he was like, made me a deal. He was like,
I'm gonna make you the n R the label if
you find an artist, but you can't get no money
unless you get over until we get overhead.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
And I brought him like Sagon. Then he never got Overhead,
so I got like true life.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
Then I got a job at Atlantic from their shot
to Cambo Hip Hop Joshua and Craig Calman. It got
me my first job at Atlantic. Then that didn't really
work out well. Then I was in the streets for
like four and a half years. I was trying to
manage people and do things, and I really got my
first big break. I stopped doing shows in Williamsburg and
with my boy ho Vane got rested Dad with Space,

(50:34):
and then around twenty twelve, I got like my big break.
I got a job at Depth Jam And then I
was in the streets for so long at that point,
like four and a half years, and they was like,
all right, we're gonna give you these artists. And my
boy Joey Man that he gave me yg little Dirt,
Little Reese. Yeah, those are the three. I didn't realize

(50:54):
at the time they was giving me all the artists
like in the most fucking the trenches. But it was oh,
like I was so hungry at the time, like I
was ready to do anything. So like I remember the
first thing I went, but boy Jay Bugie told me
to come to tom the Chicago to go meet with Dirk,
And I went to go meet with Dirk. I wanted
to show first and him, Chief, Keith and Reese had

(51:15):
a show, and that's the first time I realized because
it would perform and it would the crowd like they
would be like banging on the crowd, the crowd be mad,
they'd be like hype, then banging on back, then the
whole and I'm looking around like, oh yeah, this shit
is just all game music. And they all love it, but.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
They hate each other, but they love it. And Nigga
Jay but he was like, don't worry, sick, we go down.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
We go down together.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
I'm like, oh, hell no. So getting out of it
was crazy. I remember it was some It was I
don't remember how we got out of there, but we
got out of there.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
And the next day, like, I was with Dirk and
it was like fifty they're not fifty, maybe like twenty
thirty guys or hoodies on and I just got my notebook.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
In the middle of thing, I played me on the records.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
Dirk's playing me everything, and I think record number thirty
he played me. He was like, home, my boy, Paris,
people is gonna come. He played me this song called
this Ain't what You Want? And that song was just
so hard. I'm like, oh, yeah, this is crazy. We
got to finish this, but we're gonna finish it in
Miami because this year I hear. And then you know,
from there, I started working with Dirk. Then I was
working with YG. You know, he had a song called

(52:16):
al from Bompton. Me and him bonded with that and
we helped. I helped them make the album My Crazy Life,
Me me g Z Mustard, we're all co executive producers
in YG. And then I just kind of went on
a run from there. I started working with Jeremiah. Then
I tried to sign Travis Scott, but then he ended
up signing to Epic. Then him and La Reed recruited

(52:37):
me to go to Epic. I'm just to tell you
the condensed version because I don't want to take too
much time off of it. And then None worked on
all the Travis Scott albums from Rodeo, Birds in the Trap,
Afterworld Utopia. You know, he found Don Tolliver, so he
started managing him together and he signed on the label.
So I worked with Don his whole career as his manager.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Check West Harlem, Big fucking Shot to shak West, Look
Quick aside with Shrek West. My kids never believe that
I know people. They never believe they You don't know
that Nigga stopped fucking lying. So I'm so we on
the way to football, and I always gott to, you know,
you play some ship to hype yourself up, some little
fucking Shack West, little duke Douce, you know what I mean,

(53:18):
some hype shit. So I'm playing live Shack West, bitch
I do Shak West. Kid is going crazy in the car. Bro.
We get there, he gets he goes off, has like
three sacks, hello, tackles, going crazy, comes off the field.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
I'm like, yo, yo, I got to call Shak Bro
and be like, Yo, this is this is, this is
all of you. And he was just like, man, you
don't know no Shack West. Get the fuck out of here. Bro.
Like I'm like, oh what now, I'm now facetimeing Shack
West eleven something man night. So you pick up the
phone and niggas and a wife Peter and went the
camera looking like y Vasilino and He's just like, yo, yo,

(53:55):
My nigga was good. I was like, yo, Shak. I
was like, can you tell my son that I really
know you in real life. He don't believe me, and
and he just had four sacks in the game and
he turned around. He's just like he's like yo, yeah nah,
He's like, Yo, your pop's an ill nigga. Man. He's like, yo,
keep doing your thing. And he was just like I
was like, say, some motherfucker, like you just look like bitch. Goddamn.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
Sometimes you gotta let him know, you know you feel
me like and shack to me, it is like one
of those super m New York.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
He was a model.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
Like when I when we when we first signed Cactus Jack,
we didn't like a rapping was like his fourth thing.
He was modeling, he was playing basketball, he was a poet.
We thought, I remember my boy Kenji said to Kenjy
he wanted to do a documentary, and I'm like, hoop dreams.
But that's again, that's a Harlem nigga. Fee you know
what I'm saying, Like he just do everything for you
and then you know, so that's kind of like my
career is a really short story. But this is my

(54:46):
favorite part of it now because it's like outside of
Scheck True and Sagon, like everybody else is from out
of town.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
So now like now I feel like I could do anything.
I just want to help people in New York.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
And and and beat up beat a professor X of
the super Mute in New Yorkers Savig come on, man, listen.
So you know, you know, speaking of label shit and
like being through labels whatever, when y'all got together and
y'all were putting the projects together and doing what y'all do,
did any of that like label like one oh one

(55:19):
type of shape creep in where it's just like, yo,
we gotta have this feature because you know, I told
men the other day, Bro, I was like, I was
listening to Popular by the Weekend and it's the weekend
Playboycarti and Madonna, and I'm like, bro, this is like
a peanut butter and jelly and mustard sandwich. Bro, Like
like you know what I'm saying, Like this should be fire,

(55:41):
I should enjoy this, but it's I'm not enjoying this,
like and it's and then you look at the fucking
who's on what label and it's just like, oh, this
artist is on this label, this isle and the same label,
so let's put them all together like the kind of
like the force features and the you know what I mean, like,
how is that like changed? You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (56:00):
It hasn't changed on a bigger level.

Speaker 4 (56:01):
I think, like you know, with Captains Jack, it was
everybody together, shag Don, Travis Sofego, Like you know what
I'm saying, everybody was together, and I grew up liking that.
I grew up like Rockefeller rough Riders, you know what
I'm saying, Like Murder Ink like I like that, bro,
I liked all these labels able together. So like we're
three times out of like everybody's friends. Like I was

(56:22):
in the studio last night and I watched Lean doing
a podcast with Layla and doing something were overcasts, you know,
that's doing something with Judah, Like like I love everyone
being together and being friends and doing stuff because then
that's what hip hop's about. We're not really like a
It's supposed to be like a culture and something that's
coming from the street and good records come from it.
Somehow it turned into we gotta make hit records, and

(56:46):
but that's not really how it comes from. It's more
like like for example, like not like us, no matter
what you think about the beef or whatever, like it's
a record that's only big because of context.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
With the culture because he's like, oh, it's like a
battle record, and that's hip, you know what I'm saying,
Like it's not.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
We're not supposed to be out here just making like
pop hits, like it's supposed to be songs that come
from the street. And I think that if I believe,
you know, I'm an idealist in this way, if you
do things the right way, magic happens if you just
do it, you know, just follow the process. And I
think that the people in charge don't even know what

(57:21):
it's about or where it's from. And there's a lot
less people who look like me making decisions. So I
take my job real seriously, like job in a sense,
like my place and culture, and like as a shepherd,
you know, like a shepherd is supposed to like wet shepherd.
Ghats right, So that's that's my role. I have to
help the next generation because you know, this shit is

(57:43):
not given me. I don't watch like you know, like
rock music just disappear, and like I've seen a lot
of things just disappear. So we don't have, especially coming
from New York, this shit disappear. It's no guarantee that
my kids see the hip hop that we see facts,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
So we got to do it right.

Speaker 4 (57:59):
So I say it all to say that to creep in,
Like to me, what creeps in? It's just like I'm
I'm on bower Time, I'm on free money. Like if
this ship really hit, like if you dropping classic, because
it's gonna go crazy, and so far it's it's amazing, amazing,
Like Leana Style loves You. I think it's a classic.
I think when people hear it, they gonna love it.
And just watching Lean become like the superstar that he is,
I want people. I want his career to be bulletproofs.

(58:20):
When he looked back at his career that like now
from the first project and he was on some ship,
no brook, no bricks, he was fucking acoustics.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
Songs, wrapping in fringe from day one.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Stop playing him. Yeah, I fuck with that. And it's
like when y'all see the YouTube version, y'all gonna see
me going like this. We were talking about the other
stuff because it harkens back to a time where like
you could say yo three times, louder is up at
flex three times, louder is up at clue and it's
Lean it's like it's it's the whole crew were all

(58:52):
doing what we do, you know what I'm saying, Like
I remember g U and it d Block Dip said
like fucking hallm like Mace Card Damn and it would
be rent like it would be Cruise.

Speaker 4 (59:02):
Even like fifteen years ago, it was our future. Yes
a sad yep, it was TD like some beast coast.
He's coasting them, you know what I'm saying. They have flappers, zombies,
co era. All these guys were together, and that to
me made the new generation of stars in Dreamville. And

(59:23):
these guys, yes, these are all the crews. And now
you got like like an o PM and things like that.
So that's what if you have to have collectives for
it to be hip hop.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Gotta be bro. Who is somebody in your collective that
you really fuck with? And like you feel like when
y'all get into the studio together, it's like almost no
words need to be spoken. It's just like, yo, we're
gonna cook.

Speaker 5 (59:47):
There's a few for starters aj radical terms of producing songwriting,
like this niggas is on it like he's on it.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
He's on it.

Speaker 5 (59:57):
He's just it's so natural for this, I've never seen
nothing like it. Like he could play the trombone while
playing the guitar while playing the drums all at the
same time and records you and all this ship for me.
So that's just man natural. Sham Scott is another producer
who he's a main producer on the album I Love You,

(01:00:18):
like like he sent me a be pack. Every song
I wrote on the album or freestyle on the album
was like that. I never made music quicker that I
actually relate to. It resonates with me. And then Layla too,
like me and Laila have a few songs and Laila wa,
Laila isn't the studio. It's like she's crazy, like she's
literally like she's mad serious, like she's mad about making music.

(01:00:40):
No conversations about nothing. Let's get it just.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Straight, let's get it shop. Talk like we're talking about
what you did this week.

Speaker 5 (01:00:47):
I don't funk with that. Do it this way like
we're into like for me so weak now you could
do better, you could do better. Try so And that's
that's that's the best energy to have in the studio
because and and like to sidetrack a little bit, even
like as an artist when I work with artists who

(01:01:08):
are like when I meet an artist and they're full
of themselves and they think they make the best ship,
I can appreciate it, but I don't see I see through.
I don't know an artist that is like, nah, I'm
gonna do better, like this is my best ship. It's
an artist that's like better than like yeah, this is good.
It's like feel me like like if I put it

(01:01:28):
out like like not even good enough where it's like
like I don't like niggas who's like full of themselves
in that way. You feel me like I like somebody
who's humble in terms of music and like trying to
be better maybe even you know, like like not even
self like for lack of better words, self doubt, like
you know what I mean, Like because that's that's that's
like Michael Angelo as an artist, right, you feel me

(01:01:51):
like that Nigga's insane. He said that ship he's making,
he's angry making and like I could do better, nigga,
you know, and it's like, bro, go look at what
he did like as an artist as a sculptor, as
like you know, that's crazy one, Nigga.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
That's crazy, crazy bro. And at that time he probably
died like damn she was, she was. I wish I
had more time.

Speaker 5 (01:02:20):
And it's like that is sad a little bit, but
it's like, look what he left for everybody to enjoy
it because he was hard of himself a little bit,
not a little bit, but you gotta be you gotta
be man Layla humbled, hard on herself, a j hard
on himself, sham hard on himself, Judah hard themself. Like
all these people I work with are real artists, Like

(01:02:41):
they really are trying to get to that that that feeling,
you know what I mean, And until they reached that,
they're gonna keep fuck this song. Judah, my son Judah
has one hundred million songs that are hits. If he
makes a new song that he likes better than the
old one, that shit don't even exist no more. I'm like,

(01:03:01):
damn nigga, Like this is hard. Don't forget about that
exactly what I mean, Like, but I appreciate it because
it's like he's about to have a big ass body
of work that now somebody who somebody like Sick, somebody
like Sky, somebody like who could really talk to him
and be like put him on to the fact that, Yo.
You can go back and listen to these real quick.

(01:03:22):
These are valuable. Go ahead and throw that right for me.
It's mad important for me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Yea literity like like like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Literity, like like shot the uncle Sogan, baby, you know
what I'm saying. That's the thing too. It's like this
victory like is like the same shit. It's like three
times louder. It's like Junius like Wu tang. Everybody in
here does sixteen different things. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
That award, that signal award right there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
You know what I'm saying. You know what I mean,
it's like five motherfuckers making it happen, you know what
I mean. Like I'm very proud of him. You know
what I'm saying, God, damn it. Shot the victor, shot
the men. You know what I mean? Shut the sign
you feel the py the whole game. Oh yeah, what yo?

(01:04:09):
He was at the rocket this weekend. Bro. The thing
that people don't know about men is men got Men's
lore is crazy, like bro, Like like if you ask
him like some ship like he'll be like, oh yeah
I did that. You know, Like yo, do you know
how to play piano?

Speaker 5 (01:04:23):
Yeah? I played that Lincoln Center when I was that's crazy, Like, what.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Nigga, what the fuck? Like, if we're being precise, how
are we six? You feel me like students of Skyland
and Gentlemen Come boys. I played with him, he was artist,
so leamless. I loves you. It bangs. I got the

(01:04:46):
advanced copy because I'm special. You know what I'm saying?
Ship bangs? What's your favorite joint? On?

Speaker 5 (01:04:52):
Their Favorite track is definitely the first song on the
album after the intro. It's called for the both of
us and one like this ship is Fire. I'm like, yo,
like I'd be surprised every time I hear it. I'm like, oh,
ship the switch. It has a crazy switch on it.
I'm like, that's fire and it's And what I really
do love about the song is that it showcases the

(01:05:14):
you know, broadness of mind, range of my range, you know.
And it's like I'm going from some Boston Nova type
Moroccan type singing to straight hip hop rapping and then
you know, the same joint and the same ship, and
it's talking about the same ship. It's just two different
ways to talk about it, you know what I mean.
So it's like that's that's That's the song I appreciate

(01:05:35):
most of the album. That's the song that really kicked
off the album for me too. That I was like,
all right, boom got the intro to me?

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
You know you do is like that's the joint that
like a random person could pick up and be like, yo, yo, merroo,
explain what does Leams sound like? I could just give
him that. Listen to that and it's gonna give you
an idea. You know what I'm saying. The video is.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
Crazy to the facts the videos and saying you got
you gotta play the video.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Yeah, I gotta see that because I seen the video
for Yes, and I was just like, Yo, this is yo.
It's just when you're talking about like that feeling, bro,
I like, and you said you know what I'm saying,
I was like, I know exactly what you're saying, bro,
because it's not I don't know if there's a word
to explain it, but there's a feeling that you get

(01:06:22):
when you hear certain music that it either takes you somewhere,
it takes you back to a memory, or it takes
you somewhere fucking in the future, you know what I'm saying.
But it is a feeling. It's not just like yo,
this is a bop. It's like, nah, this ship is
hitting everywhere, like here, here, everywhere. But for you said,

(01:06:43):
what was the piece of diversity stalls on the album?

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
I still love Why Why.

Speaker 4 (01:06:49):
I remember the time that it became my favorite. Leen
opened up for this great artist from Ireland named Moyo,
and I watched them do the song right there, like
on what did that mercy that's on Bowery something doing
on Bowery and he did it like acappella, and after

(01:07:12):
the first time he did it, it had the whole
crowd like doing the a cappella with him.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
I was like, oh, this nigga is a cult leader.
And it wasn't even his show and a hundred people
are going why Why.

Speaker 4 (01:07:22):
I was like, oh this and I saw I got goosebumps,
And after that that just became my favorite song the
whole album. Incredible for the both of us, incredible, But
I think that one that was the one that like
had like the shift for me, Like I was just like, oh, yeah,
this is the you know what I mean because you
watch somebody like trying to figure it out the whole time.
And after I saw that and that was the first time.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
It was great.

Speaker 4 (01:07:43):
It was a great feeling like you watched like it's
probably the same when when you watch you guy get
your boy, like the Four Sacks, you're like, oh, it's up,
or like you know that that video of like pop
Smoke doing what was it Welcome to the Party of
Dior with his friends and they were looking at him
like ohh this this about.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
That's how I felt when he performed. I was like,
oh yeah, it's over.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
It goes back. It goes back to what we were
saying before about the callers, the nature, nurture, ship, fatherhood.
It's like the caller if people is singing your ship
yeah before you can bro, that's nurse, not nursery rhymes.
Nursery rhyme energy where it's just like, bro, this is
embedded in my brain. Bro, like this is a part
of my brain. Now him it's like you know, it's like.

Speaker 4 (01:08:26):
It's like you know, like back in the day when
we were sending messages through the music, like it was
like that's what it felt. That's what and you have
like the chance in the background of why why It's
just like I can't wait for him to perform that
like at his first solo show and having a whole
crowd said.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Hey, bro, i'a there front real crying. So we got
a section on victory like call it tim forfeited. Well,
we asked, because you know, we only got the most
illustrious guess on on Earth, and your opinion is a value.
You put the tin forfeitted on to protect you from
the five g rais because I don't want no five
g affecting y'all. You know what I'm saying, And you

(01:09:01):
give me a conspiracy, a conspiracy theory, you know what
I'm saying that you believe to be true, or if
you don't believe it to be one hundred percent, you
you believe that there's some truth to it.

Speaker 5 (01:09:13):
Yeah, I think it's ancient structures underneath the ice Antarctica
or some shit about it. Okay. And I've been seeing
ship like where it's like like it'll show a video
like polar bear swimming in the water for like a
couple of miles, or it'll be like in the ice
caps melting and the next she'll be like like an

(01:09:35):
experience a science experiment of a nigga putting a fish
in a thing of water, putting it in the freezer,
freezing that ship, then letting it defrost, and the fish
came back to life. I'm like, all right, so it's
gonna pop out for me if the ice caps is melting,
some shit's gonna pop out, start linking up with niggas,
all type of crazy shit, aliens and all that shit.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
I fuck with that, yo, yo, low key, cause we.

Speaker 5 (01:09:59):
Don't know that we won't. We can't even go over there.
It's true, like we're not even allowed. We can't go
over there. Maybe can fly only.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
I didn't even know that. I thought I thought it
was just like, yo, you can't go here. It's not
recommended that you going. It's like.

Speaker 5 (01:10:14):
It's just straight scientists. I'm like, what they even what
they're doing up there while we can't go up there?
Exactly why you don't put a web cam up there
and just a live feed. It's just like some blurred
out ship. You can't see ship on the map and
ship it is just like a question that you gotta
unlock the ship like a video game. It's like Fortnite,
get there first, then you see the whole wrestler. Yeah, yo,

(01:10:36):
that's crazy, Yo.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
There's ancient structures under anauticaus ice caps. Yo. You know
what I'm saying. Check it out, look into that you
know me? Yo? Know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:10:49):
So I think, I don't think, but this is a
conspiracy theory that I think is true. Well, I believe,
but I could be the one. I do feel like
the guy who started coin disappeared in twenty eleven. Yeah,
so they say that he is like an AI from
the future, and because think about it, right, like how AI.
They're saying that we're going to reach like what's it

(01:11:11):
called when it reaches human intelligence intelligence, We're going to
reach super intelligence in twenty twenty seven right now. I
don't know if you ever watched the Matrix, the whole
matrix is about AI ninety eight, right, So what would
an AI make?

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
A digital currency and a limited amount of it? So
I think it makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 4 (01:11:31):
So unless say somebody could like show me where he
is right now, it doesn't really make sense. I don't
know if he's a time traveler it was a AI,
but I just think if they're going to make that
the currency of the future because they have a limited amount,
and then next thing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
You know, like you know, can we see the guy
you know what, they pull out the guy.

Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
Somebody could show me the guy you know in the
common sun, let me see where he's at. But you
can't produce the guy. You can't tell me no what
is his name? Like that, I can most sound like
a fire like Japanese brand.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
This is tough for what I'm saying, it's a collapse.
We'll come to go, you know what I'm saying. Your ship,
that's fucking that fucked me up, Like that ship made
me have an ADHD like brain fark.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
But you know, like you just just while I got
this cap on, so like where it's going with AI.

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
But when they become smarter than us, like you already start,
you're starting to see like entry level jobs is already
getting taken away, but now they're taking like higher level
executive jobs. You know, so like a review when my
son comes up, like you better learn how to like
motherfucking the roofing niggas. You know what I'm saying, plumbing
to some ship because all that corporate shit is over.

Speaker 5 (01:12:47):
It's over with.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
It's so crazy you say that because like we about
to get into the conversation. Yo, that's so crazy to
me because like fam this this certain thing, like you said,
like all that corporate ship, there's certain things that it's like, fam,
I don't recommend that you do this. I'm just saying
like I've experimental with it. Like you could take like
a contract, like a record contract to do that shit

(01:13:09):
and be like, Yo, can you break this down for
me in like simpler terms. Tell me what's good about it,
what's bad about it? And it'll be like I did
that ship with like a contract that's our mad logo,
and it was just like pros cons like and it
was like like green dot is good, yellow is like eh,
and the red dye is like, Yo, this is a
bad look.

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
I was like, Yo, what do in six seconds?

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
It's six seconds. So now I'm on YouTube. I'm in
the YouTube wormhole of like the you Haven't Seen the
British Dude, The Diary of CEO Guy. My mom sends
me all the time, bro, and he's always talking to
AI dudes and it's always like some Russian nigga with
a ponytail me, like, we create this and it's going
to destroy humanity by twenty twenty seven. We are going

(01:13:50):
to have a critical mass at the moment, apocalyptic moment.
But maybe only for five years and then things would regulate.
I was like, I don't want to have any It
was like word. I was like, fay is a long
as time for an apocalyptic moment. I'm like, I gotta
stop watching, just watching.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
You up so heavy, Like this whole thing in five
years is gonna be on the podcast. It's all gonna be.

Speaker 4 (01:14:20):
Robots, all voices, not the host, because you still need
like a point of view, and it's still I think
artists are still going to because people don't want AI art. No,
they want like art to make things better, like as
an instrument, but they don't want an AI point of view.
Yet that's the only thing that's keeping artists alive.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
People hate that.

Speaker 5 (01:14:39):
They don't want that at all. We're goin to have
an artist pop out that's AI. We're not gonna know
from mad Lo.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
I mean this is really artists who are coming out
doing full AI music.

Speaker 5 (01:14:48):
I mean way easy.

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
He embraces it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:51):
He's like yo, like you know what he does like
people people don't understand what he's what he means when
he's doing his AI. So like if a writer goes
in the studio, they will cut the vocals for Kanye
using like an AI filter on his voice and he
doesn't recut it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Oh what to fix it? Yeah you can.

Speaker 4 (01:15:08):
You'll mix it like automatically, all right. So like if
you're a songwriter, you go write a song for Kanye
and you go rap about it. He likes the way
that you said it originally his voice on it, so
it's just his voice already, so he done never have
to go in the studio.

Speaker 5 (01:15:22):
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
So if I just slip in the move and I'm like, yo, yo,
it's the kid blah blah blah, I can do podcast
like you right now. In your voice it sounds like me. Yo.
That's like the Japanese Joe Buddy shit bro Yo. That
should have fucked me up. Yo. Man is always just
sending me ship just to fry my brain. He sent
me a clip of Joe Buddy podcast that was just

(01:15:43):
like AI had dubbed it over in Japanese, but they
all sounded like they voice, So it's like Joe Buddy, Like.

Speaker 4 (01:15:51):
You know, he can send you a clip later and
just be like your whole take of you just loving
Donald Trump that sounds exactly like your inflection and everything,
and it'll take them like literally like less than an hour.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
So it's so crazy because like the first time I
experienced that in real life was I interviewed Denzel Washington
and they took that footage and they made it into
a dick pill like ad where it was like Danzel
being like, well, you know merroy uh. A lot of
adult stars use this product. They don't want you to

(01:16:24):
know about it because it's how they keep this state secret.
It's an industry secret. And then it goes to me
and I'm like, where, what do you mean? And it's
just like it's it's one little pill that they take
and if you click on the link and it's straight
AI bro like deep fake AI whatever the fuck where
they manipulate the audio on the video. I was like,
this ship is crazy. I was like, report, report, report,

(01:16:45):
I was. I was like, my ship work, no honey pack.

Speaker 4 (01:16:53):
And it's gonna affect every possible job, like it hasn't.
If it hasn't affected job, it's only I've.

Speaker 5 (01:16:59):
Seen today, Like it was a nigga mowing the lawn
on one side of the grass and then the AI
mowing the lawn on the other the robot.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
Because that's two different things.

Speaker 4 (01:17:08):
The AI me and the robotics and robotics are getting
there facts and then AI.

Speaker 5 (01:17:12):
Robots have been walking around so talking about ya I'm
walking here.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
He was like, what the fuck?

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
Oh yeah, all the maista is all gone fast twenty thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
I'm telling you right now then this is facts. Motherfuckers.
We live in a horny society. I was like, and
I tell people all the time, I'm like, yo, if
you want to see what technology is going, just watch
see what they're doing with the Pino bro. See what
they're doing with the pano because I'm like, yo, remember
the I mean I remember they still out here, the
fucking oculus like headsets, bro. The Pino sites was the

(01:17:46):
first ones to have like yo VR like v R
and I'm like, bro, I'm trying to watch a Disney
movie with my kid. Bro, Like I'm not trying to
watch Beladanger suck my dick bro in like four k
HD like AI ship. But that's what going, Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
I feel like you're gonna have a robot at home
for you and do whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
It's gonna get crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
I've seen I've seen some shit on Twitter. It was
just like it was like an android with like a
shorty with like a face with the nurse hat, and
it was like an old dude in bed and it
was like, Yo, in the future, you'll have like a nurse,
a robot nurse that will take care of you. And
I'm like, Yo, that ship glit child while it's giving Grandpa.
You know what I'm saying it clar I've.

Speaker 4 (01:18:23):
Seen a clip with somebody in that four Mustang ev
at the side of the road like just praying because
he lost control of the car and he's just like
this and the side like the at the edge and
he's not even touching the wheel no more because they
took up.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
They took over show.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
Bro. See that shit is not that shit is. Listen.
We're not gonna fraight y'all no more. Man. I'm like,
this is New York City ship man, this is hallm
this is Brooklyn, This is a Bronx man, this is Lean,
this is Sycamore. You know what I'm saying. It's your
boy to Kim maryon Victory Light. You know what I mean,
the number one show on the motherfucker playing a baby.
We only do fly ship. We don't do no food
food ship. You know what I'm saying real mute in

(01:18:59):
New York because in motherfucking Building, Baby, we got men
trained in the house, we got Victor Lopez in the
motherfucker house. We got a sign insane and the motherfucking building. Baby.
You know the time is we got Big Sam and
the bigs and this motherfucker and we will be back soon.
You know what I'm saying, Take us out, man, which
I got to say to the people. Man, The album
is coming.

Speaker 5 (01:19:19):
Album come out September twelve. Lima Star Loves You. I
really love y'all for me. I hope you enjoyed the album.
I made it for you.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
He made it for y'all. You know what I'm saying.
It's super Bowl man A LEGITD thirty eighth Twitter follow them.

Speaker 4 (01:19:32):
You know what I'm gonna say. Lima said loves you.
You know what I'm saying Our maybe now, maybe before.
I don't know when the episode drops, but I'm just
gonna say, I'm super proud of both of you. That's
going to coming, two incredible New York City stories and
it's just beginning.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
Hey, let's go, baby, this is just a beginning. Victory
Like Baby Victorious, stay there, don't move.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
Legitly like like a luxury light light night, night, night

Speaker 5 (01:20:10):
Mhm.