Episode 152 | "Mr. Sheiks" w/ Eddie Huang

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@EDDIEHUANG

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yo, what's upish boy kid mar the human direct flat baby,
because I keep it wavy.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
This is a new episode of Victory. Like, we got
a very special guest in the building. It's my boy.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
You know what I'm saying, Eddie Wong. But first I
want to say thank you to all of y'all. We
hit fifty k on the subs man. Let's keep it going, Yes, sir,
shout at to y'all. Shout out to the light Gang.
You know what I'm saying, Light Brigade, whatever y'all call y'allselves,
Victory like gang, throw it up.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
All my fights lords out there, shout at to y'all.
Forget us a fifty k. Let's get to one hundred
fifty K. Let's get to two hundred fifty K. Let's
get to three hundred fifty K. Let's do it, baby,
Let's run it up. Thank you so much. We appreciate
y'all and we love y'all. So stay locked in with
us because today's episode we got unctions. Okay, we're talking sports.
Were talking about Pitchfork's Top one hundred Albums of All

(00:50):
Time list, hip hop of course, and Eddie Wong and
os future and past and present and vice media and beyond.
You know what I'm saying, So stay right there because
a banger episode b Holla, thank you again for fifty K.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Let's go baby, Literary Light like like of literary Light.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Ye'all y'ao she bought the kid maryl Victory Light one
five two. Coman dude, Yo, I was trying to do
the tragedy cut off.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Your ship ain't work out, but it don't fucking matter
because we're here in the fucking trap Victory Light.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Episode one five two, we got who another banger because
I'm reunited with my brother.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
You know what I'm saying. Me and this dude go
way back. You know what I mean. He's a He's
a He's a.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Star in every sense of the word, culinarily, film wise,
TV wise, book wise.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Done did it all. You know what I'm saying, And
I'm proud to have him here with me. You know
what I'm saying. It's my guy, Eddie Wong. You know
what I'm saying, the one and.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
Yeah, I preached for that my arms, yo, So I'm
off rip bro like people know, like we go back
to Yo.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Shot to Conocert Dreams. If you would not subscribe to
Connocil Dreams, go on YouTube right now, put in this
cerch thing in a little fucking text chamber, Canal Street Dreams,
Eddie Bond Boom and go watch it.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
You know what I'm saying, because him and she is
killing the game right now. Right thank you? Just off top,
you know what I mean. And y'all know we go back.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
You know what I'm saying to the Vice days, like
I'm not gonna bore y'all with all the minutia.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
You know what I'm saying. What do you call it?
Getting granular?

Speaker 5 (02:38):
Granular about how much money they all?

Speaker 1 (02:43):
But like Yo, but coming out of there, I felt
like that ship was like community college, bro, coming out
of there because I knew TV and like media and
stuff like that and like you know, digital ship like
podcasts and whatever. And then getting the show there was
like all right, bro, this is We're back on TV.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (03:03):
And for you it was like kind of like like
we're in similar like lanes due to our age as
elder millennials, you know what I'm saying, because we were
like we I feel like we the first people to
do digital right, like treat it the way like you
know what I'm saying, Like treated a YouTube series like
it's like it's a proper like Yo TV show, like

(03:25):
Legacy TV, like hot production, good concepts, like shit, that's
actually compelling, bro, not like brain rap bullshit.

Speaker 5 (03:32):
Yeah, especially for like the culture that we're into, you
know what I mean, sports, rap, music, and then also intellectual,
you know, like that was always the third bucket, is that,
like we did keep it intellectual and we didn't play stupid.
So I think it really started that we were both
on blog spot like that That's where I think we
became homies. And I saw that we were a likes

(03:55):
and then I went the book route and then went
the YouTube video food show route. But then you and
you and Jesus pioneered really the podcast to me, like that,
that to me was the moment when the podcast kind
of blew up for like let's call it the Streetwear
Urban Universe.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
You know like that that that was that was it,
you know because to me, like before, like I like,
I'm a horrible compliment receiver, bro, you know what I'm saying,
but you know what I mean. But like honestly I'm
trying to think, and I'm like, before that it was
like Mark Maren, Joe Rogan, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (04:29):
It felt like you were being like it felt like
we were being taught some ship or being talked to,
and like I love those shows and I plug in,
but it's the voices are not the voices I'm used
to hearing. You guys were the first ones to have
a voice like from street culture and and and this
culture that we all kind of like subscribe to belong

(04:50):
to and represented for everybody.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
You know.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
It's just like if Bauhaus was the first streetwear restaurant,
y'all was the first streetwear podcast.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
That Yo, Doug, and that that was a thing I
don't want to slip into like the yo back in
the day, back in our days don't talk. But it
really was like, to me, like a very specific and
very special time, bro, because a lot of cultural shit
was happening and a lot of people were crossing paths
and like collaborating on shit that would like that now

(05:21):
people are looking at and be like, Yo, that was
ahead of its time, you know what I'm saying, Like, Bro,
like you coming and going from like you said, like
from digital like just food stuff like because we know,
like the whole Food Network shit and how like you're like, yeah,
this isn't my speed, bro, Like I'm I'm different, and

(05:42):
it's like those types of people, those executives, those offices,
those studios, it's like they.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Don't know what to do with us.

Speaker 5 (05:49):
Yeah yeah before, so we broke through right when we
got an opportunity, Like when I got an opportunity with
Food Network and the Cooking Channel, I had to fit
into their voice and there was no option of like, yo,
I want to be me. They're like that that doesn't exist,
You're not doing that. Vice definitely was the place that
allowed me to just be me and talk to way

(06:09):
I talk, dressed the way I dress, and then it
broke down all these barriers where brands were like, oh wait,
this is working, like he's getting an audience, he's building
a huge base, and now we need more of that,
like we unlock the character for like the Internet and
these brands, and then ultimately on television, like my mother
in law watches You and Jesus and you know why

(06:32):
because they're Greek, but their kids all dress and talk
like you do or Jesus does or I do. And
so she would literally watch to like relate to her
nephews and nieces and shit like that because she's like,
I don't understand this culture, but they look like my
nieces and nephews. So now I'm gonna lock in. And
I was like, that's crazy to see, like this is

(06:53):
a sixty year old mother in law.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Facts, bro.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
And that's where it goes back to like what you
were saying, like injecting that in intellectual part into it,
because it's like that was like that was a that's
like a conscious decision that we make, you know what
I'm saying, Because it's like, Bro, we could represent ourselves
in a certain way and do like you know, be
like have fun and like be goofy whatever. But at
the end of the day, Bro, it's like we've we've

(07:16):
represented a lot of people, you know what I'm saying.
So it's just like that was always on my mind,
like yo, bro, don't go out looking crazy because you
represent a whole. Like there's a thousand Dominicans that are like, yo,
oh shit, he did that, so I could do that,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (07:31):
It's like AI, like AI with Dunk when he has
to write you throw the knowledge dart when you have
to just to keep people honest, cause it's like, Yo,
don't write me off as this like goofy dude from
the Bronx being funny, Like I'm funny, but like I'm
just as smart as you, and I think that's important.
You always got to let people know, like if you
want to battle with the sat words, I got him,

(07:52):
I got you, I got him clipped up. It's not
how I normally talk, but I'm training the art of
SAT prep.

Speaker 6 (07:58):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
My parents sent me to the Prince to review.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
You feel me.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
I took the plastic go for my review book, like shit,
I was going for that shit goddammit exactly. But so
you did something that is like the like the like
the dream logical path right like you pop off. You
become like a brand in and of yourself. Like it's
just like yo, Eddie want like like you said, like, Yo,

(08:23):
this doesn't exist. I invented it. Now I'm the guy.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
You know what I'm saying. And then you took that
to fresh off the boat, the book then the sitcom.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
You know what I'm saying, Like going to scripted then movies,
and that was always like watching you do it, I
was always like, yeah, this is the way. You know
what I'm saying, Like, this is how you do it,
cause it's like, yo, you you kind of have to
make yourself like ubiquitous is the wrong word, but like
a household name in a sense of like yo, I

(08:54):
fuck with this dude, like the way I fuck with
the Jadakids verse, Like there's never been a wack Jadakis verse,
you know what I'm saying, Like, and you put out
shit where it's just like Yo, all right, bro, I'm
gonna lock in with this shit because I know what
he does and I know what he puts out, so
I'm locked in with him.

Speaker 7 (09:09):
So like.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Seeing you do that made me be like yo, bro
and like kind of push like yo, fam, like Yo,
let's we gotta start right because I started writing like
I sold the show before I was ever on screen anywhere,
you know what I'm saying, So like that was my
bag was like yo, let me write first, because like
Victor was like, Yo, the right the money's in the writing,
create right at.

Speaker 5 (09:32):
The bars, bro. The writing has always been a one.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Oh thank you yo, Victory, like y'all don't know get
to know, you know what I'm saying, like, and that
was that made me really feel like, yo, I could
really do this shit, bro, because like people like you
fucking tone bro boardin like people like that being like, yo,
I fuck with this, like and I was just like, whoa, bro,
what you're reading my fam You're you're fucking You're Anthony Borde,

(09:57):
You're wal A, You're Eddie One.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
I mean I.

Speaker 5 (09:58):
Remember sending your original blog spot to like Sam Sifton,
who was the restaurant critic for the New York Times,
and he had been reading it and he like remembered
the Shark Xanax photo. And there was mad writers. I mean,
there's mad downtown New York journalists that were at first
bigging you up, and then I do feel kind of

(10:19):
like jacking the swag a little bit, like we're not
gonna name names, you know who they are, But like
I think that that's that's how it happens a lot
of times. People first are fans and then they become
shark binders.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Crazy bro, because I didn't know anything about any of
that shit, you know what I mean, Like, I'm just
doing this shit from one hundred and seventy sixth Street
and Morris.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
In the Bronx like just publish, published, published, just mad,
just being like yo. But people are like, yo, I
fuck with this. And then I go on Twitter and
they're like, yo, I fuck with this.

Speaker 5 (10:46):
So it was an original voice, bro, that's what it is.
You original, Like it's gonna break and the.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Same could be said for you, bro.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
So then boom taking it to the scripted realm, which
I did, like you know what I mean, Like I
never got like got got to that step or whatever,
but like, is there something that because you talk about
that shit a lot where it's just like, yo, I
have an idea, I have a concept. This is me,
this is my idea, and this is not what my

(11:16):
idea is at the end, you know what I mean,
the end result. So like talk a little bit about
that because it's like I know what I feel like independent, right,
like being able to do shit.

Speaker 8 (11:26):
Yo.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
We're doing I'm chopping it up with Eddie today and
we're talking about whatever the fuck we want to talk
about instead of being like, here, sir, here's what you're
gonna talk about. Here's the bullet points. Do not talk
about X, Y and Z and make sure that you
keep it under fifteen minutes. I go and it's just
like all right, bro, Like my name is on the show,
but this ain't me, you know what I mean? So
like like what made you be like, man, fuck this bro,

(11:49):
Like I'm I'm gonna go and do what what fulfills
me for real?

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (11:54):
You know what it was was when I was at Vice,
I was getting a lot of status from Eddie Muready.
Eddie was giving me a lot of Yeah, that.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Motherfucker never button a shirt.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
That's I knew that Coch was flown through that motherfucker
allegedly because that nigga never button a shirt up.

Speaker 5 (12:12):
Never never never orthodox hat on Yeah he did, he did.
He had the future hat and like he was just
always hating because he felt like I was being too
casual with how I would address politics. He really felt like,

(12:34):
if you're gonna talk about politics, you need to do
it like we do on HBO. And I was like,
but you guys on HBO tell every political story like
a horror story, Like you just inject crazy fear into people,
and I don't actually like the way you're doing that.
So I would troll the way that they talked about
news on HBO inside of Wong's World. Like I went
to Jamaica and I was in Blue Mountain, which is

(12:56):
just known for coffee, and I did a bit where
I was holding a box of beef patties talking and
I was like, all right, word Changels area in the
mountains of Jamaica. This is a very dangerous place. Thomas
Morton has died here three times. HBO we go there
and he saw it and he got crazy tight, like
crazy mad, and he's like, you know, this is an

(13:18):
award winning show. And like I ended up getting suspended
because I went on a Sicily episode and got in
a fight with white supremacists, and he's like, this isn't
how we conduct our shows. And I was like, actually
it is. This is how you conduct your shows. But
you just you don't want me to cover news anymore,
because in a lot of ways I do it better
than the show that you got two hundred people researching shit.

(13:38):
But like it's extremely formatted, it's extremely performative, and it's
extremely fear based. And I was just I was critical
of what they were doing on Vice on HBO Vice News,
and I was like going at it with more of
like a daily show tone side of Wongsbool and he
was just like, you're a food guy, what do you know?

(13:59):
And I was like whatever, man, like I'm actually the
only one here that's passed the bar.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
But cool, you know.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
He just looked at me like whatever, like a goofy dude.
So when I was suspended, I ended up getting suspended
from Wong's World for a couple months. I just hold up.
I was living in Mattlibu at the time, and I
wrote the script for Boogie, and I just was like,
I'm gonna write myself out of this situation because already

(14:27):
on the first season of Wong's World, I could see
the whole Wece thing going down. I was like, I
probably got one more season here before this thing is cooked.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
I was about to say, like when did you saw
realizing I'm like, all right, bro, this money is funny
in it, bro, because.

Speaker 5 (14:41):
To me, it was like valuation valuation, valuation valuation.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
And I'm like, yo, Victim, what the fuck does that mean? Yeah,
He's like, that means these motherfuckers has taken on mad advances. Bro,
That's what that means.

Speaker 5 (14:52):
Yeah, that's what I saw. They kept taking on money.
I understood how private like financing worked. And by around
episode six Wong's World, people started being like, Yo, they're
really cracking down on budgets. They're checking every show because
they started producing these shows without a budget. They just
figured that they would figure it out like they always did.

(15:14):
And I was like, wait, we just went into this
whole Viceland thing without a budget. Yeah, for each show.
And I was like, Okay, there's just fundamental things that
you're supposed to do when you enter a business that
even as a restaurant owner, I was applying that logic
to a cable channel. I was like, these dudes are cooked.

(15:36):
These dudes are cooked. They don't know how to do business.
They know how to get buckets, they don't know how
to do business, and that's different. It's like looking at
a point guard Jordan Clarkson.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
He can get.

Speaker 5 (15:45):
Buckets, he don't know how to do business in a
half court offense, right, you can't conduct business?

Speaker 1 (15:51):
And how he's not going to set you up? And like, yo,
put the fists in there, were running this, Yo, you
go over there because direct traffic, you know what I'm saying, Like,
get money and.

Speaker 5 (16:02):
Running a business are two different skill sets entirely.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
That's a fact. You know, that is a fact because
I know now a lot of motherfuckers.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
I get a lot of money, but if I had
to make Aim run a dunk a Donuts, the show
would be bankrupt.

Speaker 5 (16:15):
And as the Yeshiva trained chinaman in the building, I
was just like, yo, y'all cook man. So I just
I just prepared my exit.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Of ligity like like like like.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Of ligity like like like did they get upset when
you said that?

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Because every time that we said something like yo, this,
this looks funny, they'd be like, ah, well.

Speaker 5 (16:36):
Funny enough with them. I was loyal enough that every
time I wrote a hit, I let them see it first.
Fresh off the Boat, I gave it to Shane and
Eddie before it got optioned by twentieth Century Fox. They
never got back to me. That I thought was crazy.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
You know.

Speaker 5 (16:53):
The second time I wrote Boogie, I gave it to Eddie.
He ignored it. It was actually Spike Jones is a
woman that work with Spike. Jones read it and liked
it and like showed Spike as well, but then like
nothing really happened. I don't he's busy anyway. Also, he
don't need to be producing my shit. Spike Jones is
a legend in his own right, you know. So like
it really wasn't a fit, but I was. I had

(17:16):
fed it to them, right, and then ultimately I sold
it to Focus Features And I was like I always
if I'm working with you, I'm gonna give you the
first read, I'm gonna give you the first crack. But
if you don't, if you don't move correct, I'm out.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
You gotta value this shit, bro, Yeah you know what
I'm saying, because yeah, nah, that was like leaving out
of there too. It was a very it was a
very similar feeling, but it was like all right, bro,
like you know, motherfuckers are carrying a lot of heat.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
You know what I'm saying. It's kind of you know
what I mean, dropped the bag, you know what I'm saying.
And they were like, oh, oh, well maybe. And it
was a lot of like yo, So.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Like the meme, like the meme of Homie being like yo,
I feel like that was the whole accounting department was
just like that Homie standing by the door being like yo, so.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
So yo that invoice right, Yo?

Speaker 1 (18:08):
You ever heard of like net three sixty five, like
for the year like boom, like you catch this check
next year type shit, like yeah, you fucking with that?

Speaker 5 (18:18):
I don't. I don't know if you experienced it, but
like I'll speak for myself. I always felt like they
number one didn't realize how close you and I were,
had no idea they brought your show in with the
new regime. It was Nick Widenfeld that brought your show in.
And a big part of Nick Widenfeld coming on was

(18:39):
that like they were having issues with me cause like
they had built a lot of it off the back.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Of wongs run.

Speaker 5 (18:45):
Yeah, the whole thing was off of Wong's world. And
then there was a lot of just like competition between us, right,
like you didn't know it. I didn't really know what
my business people were like hearing about it and stuff
like that. And it was interesting because they were trying
to be like, look, we think Eddie's cooked over here,
like they they started to get a sense like either

(19:06):
Eddie's gonna bounce or also like we may not want
to deal with him anymore.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
We gotta get something in here.

Speaker 5 (19:12):
Yeah, And it was like it was very helpful to
them because y'all just popped from the moment you came
in and our audiences overlapped in a big way. So Vice,
I think this, this is how I saw it, because
they started to come down much harder on me once
they had y'all in the hand, because they were like,

(19:32):
we're not gonna lose Eddie's audience if he bounces. We
can maintain and retain it with Mero and Jesus. And
I was like, game wreck respect, respect, game recognized game.
Y'all found a way to like keep like like maintain
your hold on this block even if Eddie bounces. So
I'm like cool, and I bounced, I went and made
the movie, you know.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
So that's crazy. Yeah, And it's crazy now, like you know,
hindsight is twenty twenty. Now you look at it and
you're like, oh, I haven't dealt with like a bunch
of like TV execs and like execs of every fucking type.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Now it's just like, oh ah, y'all be in their rooms.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Being like, oh man, let's get the agent guy to
you know what I'm saying, because we got the end
motherfuckers over here.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
We don't really need this guy because we got them.
It's like the it's like the weird like advertising shit, right.

Speaker 5 (20:24):
Because a guy in advertising brought me the graph one
day and was like, yo, you gotta watch out because
they have the same audience we were. We were neck
and neck every week one and two, right, We would
alternate one in two, and we had the young wealthy
like they would call it the young and like disposable
income and diverse. It was young educated with disposable income

(20:46):
and diverse. We both nailed those categories, and none of
their other shows hit all those categories. So in so
many ways, they were like, it's okay if Eddie bounces,
and then when y'all ultimately bounced, they were cooked.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yo, and they knew it because yo yo show that
I was in charge then was just like yo, I
wish you luck and then looked over Victor was like
except you because she knew, like, yo, this is this
is like the guy that's like steering the ship.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
You know what I'm saying, Like, and bro, it was.
It was some wild shit. But like the like.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Going into scripted to me was like you know, like
in career terms and TV terms, like I seen you
do that, and I was like, oh, he leveled up. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying. But like you know, again
hindsight being twenty twenty, you going back and being like, yo,
you know what, Like I got a bag, you know
what I'm saying, but like it didn't really hit, Like

(21:46):
it didn't scratch that itch, you know what I'm saying.
Of Like, Yo, I'm trying to make this thing and
this is the idea I have in my head, y'all
and not executing that idea.

Speaker 5 (21:54):
Yeah, all say, if I could do anything artistically, my
number one favorite thing to do is to like write
a novel, which I just did, novel coming next year.
I'm excited, you know, we're revealing the cover soon. Oh,
but sitting just dolo writing that is probably my favorite
thing to do because it's all in the palm of
my hand. Like I don't have to depend on anybody.

(22:15):
I don't got to count on anybody. I don't have
to trust anybody.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Right.

Speaker 5 (22:20):
Number two I would have to say is directing film.
Just enjoy I truly truly enjoy working with actors bringing
the story out visually. That's the most artistically fulfilling thing.
But in terms of the bag, right, the bag, It's interesting.
I thought being a director is the biggest bag, But

(22:42):
my biggest bag was actually when I was more of
like a chef personality, like you can make mad bread
as a chef, Like because every single week there's an
event they can plug you into. There's another brand. Like
food is just such a gigantic category. And then I
understood why WECE wanted to exploit it so badly with munchies,

(23:02):
Like I couldn't understand why they had so much focus
on like a food show. I was like, I'd rather
watch a movie. I'd rather watch a one hour drama.
But food is just this category that it multiplies.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
It's going crazy, yes, And like you said, anyway.

Speaker 5 (23:20):
I had a seed, you know, so I got to
think about finances and.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
That's it and that's the real thing. And like like me,
I'm not a chef, so I can't get into that realm,
you know what I'm saying, But like having that expertise
of like actually being a chef running a restaurant, doing
the business side of it, doing like the building a menu,
doing the everything that you've done. Because I got to
read all your ship, you know what I'm saying, and
like you do it like top to bottom, you know

(23:45):
what I'm saying. From like design of like Yo, I
want the logo to look like this to like, Yo,
what am I? What fucking rice wine? Am I using?

Speaker 2 (23:52):
You know what I'm type shit like so going like.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
I feel like we're in a space where you gotta
make something like you can't just be like a like
I say this shit all the time, Like you can't
just be like an actor anymore. Yeah, you gotta be
like well, bro, if you're an Indian actor, you better
be selling chi bro.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
You know what I'm saying, Like you feel me like
you gotta lean into whatever.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
That pocket that you can occupy is Like for me,
it's like yo, like yo, catch me with a colt
but there or whatever the fuck it is. You know
what I'm saying, Like it's you got that lids joined
you know what I'm saying as a ball bitch, you
know what I'm saying, Like you feel me my hat,
it is my hand, so you feel me like I'm
gonna go over there. It makes sense And I feel
like a lot of shit is going that way because
of what you're saying, like people just need to get paid.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (24:39):
And the thing is, is it used to be that
you could be a writer director. You have one sitcom,
you're eating the rest of your life. I already got
a sitcom with six years and I'm still out here
with two pots in the kitchen. Because the whole industry
in Hollywood is broken. There's not money in television, there's
not money in streamers, there's not money in film. Like

(25:00):
there's maybe ten people that are getting paid like they
used to and everyone else is getting hurt. Like even
George Cooley Brad Pitt, like their movie didn't hit the
release it was supposed to get that movie Wolves, you know,
like when those two brothers are getting dinged up, Like,
you know, money is a problem.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Colon's making more money on Cosomigo's than he is in
the theaters.

Speaker 5 (25:24):
That's you know, it is shifting, Like Ellison's about to
cop Warner Brothers. Like the entire all of Warner Brothers
is in trouble. So the issue is is that there's
no money in selling television and like selling tickets to
the movie theater anymore. It's just not as in demand
as it used to be. So if you want to
make film and you want to make television, then you

(25:46):
need to be getting brands to participate in that and
that is gonna be the way that Hollywood moves, Like
mark my words, Hollywood's not saying it yet, but that
is the conversation that's happening. And that's what the smart
producers are doing. Is they're teaming with ad agencies to
then get financial support for the products they want to make,

(26:07):
which I kind of like because ad agencies have to
pay attention to the people and they also need to
know like what zeitgeisting and what's popping?

Speaker 8 (26:17):
Right?

Speaker 5 (26:18):
I do feel like a lot of our homies that
work at ad agencies are more up on shit than
Hollywood executives are. Oh so, I actually prefer that it's
the people working in brand marketing ad agencies that are
choosing which directors and which talent to get behind because
they know what's popping. The Hollywood executives have zero ideas.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Oh they don't know. It fucked me up, like the
level of like not knowing.

Speaker 5 (26:47):
They're like bankers because they're looking at people's financial value,
like the distribution financial value, and they're looking at spreadsheets
that are basically like what JP Morgan looks at before
offering you a loan. Those people are actuaries. You know,
like in Hollywood, they have actually no understanding of culture.
So while like ad agencies, becoming the arbors of culture

(27:11):
is like lightly scary. I strongly prefer it to Hollywood,
and then new problems will arise and then a new
kind of group will become the arboreders of culture.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Yeah, it's shit always like it's you know what I mean,
Like when they find out how to do one thing,
they just do it to death and then they go
on to the next thing. Bro.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Parcas is like smelling and shit.

Speaker 5 (27:33):
They're not like you and I where it's like we're
gonna look and see things falling apart and pivot. They
just gonna hang on until it's over and then be like.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
A I fuck it all right, fuck it, bro, let
me just get this severance pack, you know what I mean.
And it's just like nah, done, Like you gotta go
to the next thing. Cause like like we were saying before,
like I'm looking like what's in twenty thirty five for
me and these kids, you know what I'm saying, and
my wife and shit, so like it's just like a
different viewpoint, bro.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
But like speaking of money, like getting a bag, bro,
but at what costs?

Speaker 1 (28:08):
Because you've seen bro the Soundi's is out here spending
money gang and they are so that the Riann Comedy Festival,
I know you've seen this ship like the post to
everybody like from people like that. People fuck with people
that don't fuck with, Like it's all over the gamut,
like the guys that are like yo, that are like yo,

(28:29):
I'm sitting this one out like it don't make like
it's not like politically like like are you buying what
they're selling?

Speaker 2 (28:37):
You know what I'm saying? Or is it like yo?
The dag wasn't big enough for me to do it
because like.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
I want to believe that everybody has a number, you
know what I'm saying, Like, Oh, I don't want to
believe that everybody has a number, but.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
I feel like, I know, I feel like everybody had
a number.

Speaker 5 (28:52):
I think everybody has a number. Like you know, I'll
say my number is probably ten ms, you know, like
perform at the Rio Comedy Yeah, I would do it
for ten ms because anything else less, I'd be like
I'd rather just get it the right way. But because
that's really what you're asking. It's like, at what point

(29:14):
how much money is it worth for someone to like
taint their spirit, you know, like I wouldn't lie to
people and be like I don't have a number, you know,
like I ain't Greta Thurnberg, you know what I mean.
Keep it funky, like I did protest my film, you
know what I mean. Like I did sit out the
promo of my film, which I don't think any other

(29:36):
filmmaker at movie did, but I did it because you know,
it was worth it to me.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Right.

Speaker 5 (29:43):
I seen Tim Dillon come out. He had a funny quote.
He's like, they may have slaves, but they like paid
me to perform. And then he got canned. But his
number he said, I think he said he got paid
like three had three seventy five.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
And I was like, that ain't enough.

Speaker 5 (29:57):
That's not enough. Like, bro, I at that going to
see yes one year.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Do you know me? And that's like the thing is like, yo,
financial lessons.

Speaker 5 (30:08):
That's that may sound fucked up, but I got that
to go party with Whiskally for one year for CS,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
So it's just like when you see these when you've
seen these numbers before, a number like that, it's not like, yo,
I gotta do this, but I do know that. My
fucking financial advisor was just like, yo, bro, if you
have ten million liquid in a portfolio, you don't got
to work ever again, Like you can just live over
for that.

Speaker 5 (30:31):
Like because ten million is the number where like if
I'm careful with my bread, that just me, my wife
and my son up and like you know, you can
live super comfortably if I gotta, if I gotta let
a chic shit on my chest for that, man, you
know that's my number. Any checks out there want to
shoot on my chest? Ten msn MS you know.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
You know what I'm saying. All at me, Yo making
making twenty with both do it?

Speaker 3 (31:00):
I thought right, it.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Doesn't tend in front of it.

Speaker 5 (31:03):
Anything less is uncivilized.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
YO talk Oh shit dog, And it's crazy because like yo,
I'm like yo.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Three seventy Yo three seventy five. I was like, yo,
ship must be real bad out here.

Speaker 8 (31:19):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Yeah if you like willing to because kill in three.

Speaker 5 (31:22):
I was like, Bro, that should be three MS. Like
to go perform and riad for these people, Like you're on, Bro,
You're on.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
It's not like you're struggling, like you're not doing open
mics motherfucker.

Speaker 5 (31:34):
Like yeah, maybe it doesn't matter to him, but like
to me, like it's gotta be ten. Anything less than ten,
I'm really gonna blink. Honestly, I'm gonna blink and people
may think I'm crazy, but like I believe I'm gonna
be able to make ten. Yeah, I believe it.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Dog same and I'm just like people think like yo,
oh you crazy and crazy?

Speaker 8 (31:54):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Yeah no, Bro, Like I'll make some money, I'll miss
the beast. It reinvested into what we're doing, like pay
want people, you know what I'm saying, and then just
keep it pushing, bro, because that that ship is gonna come.

Speaker 5 (32:04):
Like, I know the I R S Is watching, so
I'm gonna say I at least made six. I probably
made more than six, but with the I R S watching,
say I made six. But if someone kamee was just
like here's ten, don't fuck it up this time and
be like yo, done done done. My chest is right here.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
A target on it.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Ch Che.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Mister, she.

Speaker 5 (32:29):
Loved you with the Lost Boys.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
It's time for yeah, like your actions.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
God of ligity like like like ligity, like like yo, bro,
he has.

Speaker 5 (32:49):
A spreebow jersey on in that video to man, no
thanks yo, And speaking of it, you got every I
have every Nick Jersey.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Every Nick Jersey on right now.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
You know what I'm saying the screenworld man got the
scree Well, that's what mister Cheeks happened.

Speaker 5 (33:03):
He got the Spring, he got the Mitch, got the
whole starting lineup. Okay, right now. I got big Mitchell
Robinson starting at the five. Okay. I got Latrell spree
Well eight instead of the Anaonobe because I was like,
I'm not gonna buy two number eight jerseys. That's I'm
too cheap for that. I got Michael Bridges, come on, okay,
I got the Captain Jalen Brunson. And then you know

(33:26):
our boy Carl Anthony Towns. You know, the pride of
Dominican Republic. I gotta ask you know, man, there's so
many it's just just just what's what's it called zesty
videos of Carl Anthony Towns right, Like, as a Dominican dude,
how do you feel when you see all this Carl
Anthony town slander and like that he's representing you?

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Like at first it was just like nah, Like I
was like, yo, fuck y'all. You know what I'm saying.
But then it was just like fuck it, He's doing
his thing, like.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Yeah, and like in speaking to him because I'm had
like mac Stain, but like the one that stuck out
to me the most was just like yo. He was
like yo, I didn't do a lot of media in
year one because he's like yo, I grew up in Jersey,
Like I know New York media. Bro, I'm coming to
play for the Knicks, Like, I gotta fucking lock in, Bro,
I gotta lock in, I gotta dominate.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
I gotta do what I do and then I'll do
the podcast and.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
The interviews and the influencer and all other roch He's
like my first year here, I'm locking in and I'm hooping.
And I was just like respect fucking salute, Like they
can say whatever the fuck they want about you, Bro,
it don't matter because you just proved like where your
head is at, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (34:39):
I cut off a friend because he was talking shit
about Carl Anthony Towns all season and then in that
first game against it was the second game against the Pistons,
right before Towns went crazy, I was like, Yo, get
out of here, Like I just blocked him from my phone.
I stopped talking to him, and then Towns went bananas
and took over with that game, and I was like,

(35:00):
just the universe telling me, I don't need this person
in my life. I still, from that day on, have
never talked to this person. No, I don't need him.
I don't need him.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
That that that catalyzed, no pun intended. You know what
I'm saying, like the whole situation.

Speaker 5 (35:14):
Because I was like, if you don't want me to
be happy with this nick team with carl Anion Towns,
then I don't got room for you in my life.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
I don't care.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Like, yo, bro, do whatever you want. You know what
I'm saying, Like colde switch and that's the other thing,
like motherfucker's Yeah. The people being like yo, who's justy
is like, Bro, you go into your office and your
voice switches immediately.

Speaker 5 (35:33):
Yeah, hilarious. He's hilarious. Bro, he do the no look
passes crazy.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Hilarious.

Speaker 5 (35:41):
He is that lord man, I'm into it that this
ship cracks me up. I was curious because it's for me.
It was like when Jeremy Lynn came around, like I
was a crazy Jeremy Lynn head. But then when he
started doing, you know, the corn Rows and everything. I'm like, brother,
like young mom, man, what are we doing? What do
we doing?

Speaker 8 (36:00):
That?

Speaker 2 (36:00):
He did get Kmar though he did, he did. He
did the owner reverse on.

Speaker 5 (36:04):
K Mar that was flying Tattoo.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
He's like, yo's can exchange culture like this? You know
what I'm saying, because you all the Chinese was.

Speaker 5 (36:15):
Crazy, Like there was just the way Lynd was moving that.
I was like, bro, I like, we are both Taiwanese,
but you don't really represent me. And I'm like that's cool.
But I was still always a fan of his. I
would just i would snap on him a little bit.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yeah you know yo if yo, the thing with Kattoo
is just like if that chip popped out, I'd be like, hey,
like but that's.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
How Dominicans are.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Like Dominicans in general are like I want to say,
unseerious in the best possible way, you know what I'm saying,
Like always kind of ass like joking around, you know
what I'm saying, Just having fun, bro, just like a
jovial people.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
So like if you do some yo, hey, hey boy, what.

Speaker 5 (36:57):
Is it is cool? Like the older I get, like
when I was younger, I'd be like I don't like
Jeremy Lynn because he don't representing this what But I'm like, wait,
I have a lot of haters like that too, you
know what I mean? Where Like I don't want to
tie when these chefs are supposed to talk like exactly.
And I was like, yo, I'm hating on him and
the way people hate on me. And so I'm like,
now that he is fully retired from basketball, I'm like, yo,

(37:17):
I love Jeremy Lynn, you know, because he really did
a lot of shit. And as a fan, you shouldn't
be like you gotta be closer to me, you gotta.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Be more like me.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
I I understand that it makes bro, And it's like
that parasocial shit bro, where you could like use it
or like it could be like.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Your worst enemy. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (37:35):
If you really love where you're from, you're just gonna
support everybody from there. It's not like you gotta be
like me.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Like, Bro, I'm fucking with every Dominican unless they're like
a piece of shit.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
You know what I'm saying. If you're a good guy,
I'm rocking with you. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Listen, man, So we talked about the Saudi money and shit,
and you know Nick's got the Abu Dhabi patch on
the jersey and shit, like live golf situation happened. Like
there's a lot of I feel like the Saudi, Like
Ronaldo is out there, He's like, I love it. I'm
retiring here. Like these they actually have enough money to

(38:12):
do ship like like buy the NFL. Yeah, they could
buy Allegiance. I mean for me, like even with me, right,
Like I draw the line at the Knicks. I will
never boycott the Knicks. Never you put a dab you
put Rihanna, I'm still confident. I'm sorry, bro, Bro, I'm sorry.
Listen as a bronze dude, I'm the same way with

(38:32):
the Knicks and the and the Yankees. And the Yankees
have done some very bad things that like, Bro, they
had a moment in silence and the whole thing for
Charlie Kerkanos, like, oh.

Speaker 5 (38:41):
Man, my morality and public opinions got boundaries, Like when
it comes to the next time, I'm still coping. It
doesn't matter, that's it.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
It's just about the game. I don't give a fuck.

Speaker 5 (38:53):
They could discover like a thousand dead people under the garden.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
I'm like, I'm still.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Coming, I'm still comming, I'm still saying I'm bron.

Speaker 5 (39:02):
I don't know what to telling you. Everybody got a number.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
That's yo. And that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
I think a lot of motherfuckers is liars and acting
like they like don't have a number. It's just like, bro,
especially now, bro, where we at in this country, like
in society in general.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Bro Like it's like hyper Like I hate buzzerds, but like, bro, hyper.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Capitalists, fucking spiral of doom that we're in, you know
what I'm saying. Like everything is crazy, bro, Like everything
costs too much. Like nobody's making enough money.

Speaker 5 (39:35):
Everybody just needs to get coof feed. Everybody just needs
to get just.

Speaker 9 (39:40):
One time, slap your coofie one time. You just act right, man, Right,
I see Jim Jon's here doing like like bootleg Chrumbharts.
Maybe instead of doing bootleg Crumbharts, just start.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Coofee slapping, bro, one time, stop acting up, mom, Donny,
I need a department of coopy slapping led budget Jones
absolutely Yo.

Speaker 5 (40:06):
That was the funniest scandal too, when they were like, Yo,
mcdonnie is a fan of of a terrorist rap group Diplomats.
They refer to themselves.

Speaker 7 (40:15):
As said Tayliban Boom like yo, come on, yo, but yo,
that was such a real teeth more let that man live, bro,
come on, they got embarrassed on stage versus bro like

(40:36):
cut it out, like come on, son.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
That was such a bro. Do you remember that song?

Speaker 1 (40:40):
That was such a wild time because it was like
Joelle's got in a booth and said, like shout out
to Muhammad Aa for flying the plane into the towers.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
I was like, yeah, Wow, I was gonna rob in
a room by myself, high as fuck, like I'm looking
around like yo, yo, y'all heard that, Bro.

Speaker 5 (41:02):
That's why Dip said is my favorite group all time.
It's just peak ignorance. So you couldn't even expect where
it was coming from, and it was coming at any moment.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (41:16):
I threw the nine to eleven dinner and played all
the hits. I was like, there's no better way to
celebrate than this New York City.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
I was like, Yo, these guys and it's just like
they was fame. It was the funniest because they all
like absorbed cam like I don't give a fuckness.

Speaker 5 (41:33):
Yeah, it's like Cam's the original I don't give a fuckness,
and then Joelle's the little brother like on The Boondocks,
like Riley that takes.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
It to the other level, like he's like, Yo, you're
gonna say something about nine eleven, I'm gonna say the
name name.

Speaker 5 (41:46):
Yeah, I swear the Boondocks like took that camra on
Jewell's relationship and made the cartoon because that's how it
feels man like, because Cam knows what he's doing and
Joelle's doesn't. Really he was just dude, yep, Monster Music, Yo.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Come on listen if you if you are not you
know our age and you need something to watch, go
watch on YouTube Dipset in London.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Go watch that is around London with Tim Westwood wild
in the funk Out.

Speaker 5 (42:17):
I remember you mentioned to Monster Music on the original
Victory like all the time.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
I love that shows.

Speaker 8 (42:30):
Have you guys ever heard of Joelle's response to all
the nine to eleven in Taliban references? So a few
years ago he quoted this. What I was really referring
to was just the courage for somebody to do such
a fucking crazy, wild ass behavior like that, to love
something to that degree. To believe in something to that

(42:51):
degree is crazy and it's strong.

Speaker 10 (42:54):
That I don't even feel Jewels could put that sentence
that's like not Jewell's, that's not you else yea yeah, yeah,
that's Jr.

Speaker 5 (43:04):
Right, the writer of writers.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
Yo.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
I remember that video of them in London when it
was getting hemmed up and they had him in like
a chrunkhole like yo say that, Yo, say the UK
is hard and then yo, yo, yeah, the UK's man, tough,
man tough, Yo, oh man. They were wilding bro shout
out to God, damn it. So bro, Like I said,
Sary's got enough money to bout the NFL. I'm a

(43:30):
Giants guy, You're command this guy, NFC East rivalry.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
How we feeling this?

Speaker 5 (43:35):
I was about to wear all my commander's jerseys, but
out of respect and because the Knicks this is the
first day of the preseason.

Speaker 6 (43:41):
I was sure.

Speaker 5 (43:42):
But Yo, the Giants are my favorite team to watch
this year, like this is the you got the very
exciting whites.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Bro, the the you know when you like so.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
I like my parents, like they used to make me
chuckling milk before I would go to bed, like they'll
be like, yo, you got a little bit of chuckling
before you feel bad. So they would use like the
next Quick powder yeah yeah, and or like whatever store
brand of like chocolate powder whatever. But like they will
put like it would be like a like a tall
boy of milk and they will put like a tea
spoon of like the chocolate drink mix.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
So it's just like I'm just drinking.

Speaker 5 (44:18):
Like like it smells like yeah, but it don't really
taste like like you who is like mad water?

Speaker 2 (44:23):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
That's Jackson Dart and Cam's Catabu, like like they put
like two atoms of nest Quick into that fucking into
that milk and they started dancing and ship bro, Cam's
Catabu is doing a CTE speed run.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
But god damn it, I'm here for that ship Bro.

Speaker 5 (44:39):
I love a hard white dude like Cam's Cataby. That
dude is on some Barney rubble ship like he'll run
through anything. And because it's like, bro, if you if
you got that like white hardness, it's just like something
has Like I always say, for a white dude to

(45:03):
be broke, like you really had the fuck up for
him to be this hard. I'm like something really bad.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Nobody's safe, yo'uns like the other boys is ready. You
know what I'm saying, Yo, But yeah, Fen like Yo,
Jadon Dannils is a beast.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
You know what I'm saying. I'll give you that, ye gotta,
I gotta.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
You know what I'm saying, Like it's it's Debo's tough,
de Bo. You know what I'm saying, Debo is that guy.
You know what I mean? And you don't really need
much else. You know what I'm saying, Like the line's
giving Ja Jaden top toward ball. You know what I'm saying, Like.

Speaker 5 (45:39):
Yo, I feel good about the Commanders. I bet them
to win the Super Bowl. I took the futures. The
only thing is is our defensive coordinator Joe Witt needs
to recognize that Marshawn Lottimore cannot cover number ones anymore
and he needs to let Amos or you know, Noah
igbo any cover them instead, and then we gotta play

(46:00):
a little bit more zone and we're good.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Good bro, good stop playing. You make it burn out
there every day, get embarrassed in the film room. B
But yeah, not bro, like I predicted, Like here, I
was like, yo, Jackson Dart is gonna be starting by
week three because Russell Wilson is throwing them fucking moon
balls Bro to nobody like like like.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Mega trying ain't in the league no more, Bro, nobody
could go get.

Speaker 5 (46:22):
Those Like Jackson Dart looked like second coming of Jim McMahon.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Bro, Yo, crazy Like but like like you said, like
that white hard is like Bro's just running like he's
joshing like in two tackles, yeah, like and then having
a coach having to pull him to the side.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
They both pulled in to the side like Yo, Bro, slide,
you gotta slide please, like you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (46:41):
And in twenty twenty five, Bro, I feel like Jackson
Dart in New York City, like that dude he canna
have more kids than Tyreek hill Man.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Yo, Yo, Yo, that's a fucking fact. For real.

Speaker 5 (46:52):
He about to have that billboard on Broadway Lafayette. I
mean that shock he had.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
FAM That's a fucking fact.

Speaker 8 (46:58):
Yo.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
I look at this dude, and I'm just like fam him.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
You're like standard attractive white guy, you know what I'm saying,
Like Joe Burrow, like you like Joe Burrow in New York.

Speaker 5 (47:07):
Yeah, but he actually has even more you know what
I mean, Like Jackson dark like he played with the
chain on yeah, and his mom is fly to like
moms could still get it, like goes to mom like yo,
he like like him and Luca don't just his mom Like.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Come on, see you at the corner stone. You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yo. So like I did my research ship and I
find out this motherfucker got a brother named Diesel, Like, Bro,
your name is Jackson and Diesel Dart Like, come on,
you gotta giants.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
I gotta draft that man as soon as he come out, Like,
I don't care what he played.

Speaker 5 (47:44):
He's a problem. Bro, He's I'm scared of the giants
even but actually I'm not scared of the giants because
met Life is just stealing a cls.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (47:52):
I cannot believe y'all still got that turf dog.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Don't don't even get me started, bro, because like yesterday,
I'm like, my kids play on the turfield and I'm
just like damn, bro, damn.

Speaker 5 (48:04):
And I lost my fantasy week this week because I
have neighbors too. Went down, Bro, I got neighbors and
CD lamb, I'm double fried doubled. I'm twice cook pork man.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
You gotta look at the depth turn now, look at
the waiver wires. Was Thornton starting?

Speaker 1 (48:24):
You just made that shut up, don't even exist. I'm
making the guys that I got starting, they don't even
have their picture in.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Just outline.

Speaker 5 (48:38):
The coldest to ever do it.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
You don't even got a face, you know what I'm saying.
But yo, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
So Giants looking good, Commandans look a good, NFC East
looking tough. The Knicks though, the fucking Knicks though. I'm saying,
like I told everybody, Tyrese Haliburn out for the year
with the a c L hate him out for the
year with the a CL with the with the achilles,
both of them with the achilles.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
I don't think Orlando got it like that yet.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
The only team that I seen, like yo, like kind
of grow a little bit was Cleveland, you know what
I'm saying, And they I feel like they lost somebody.

Speaker 5 (49:18):
But Mobile is sus Mobile is sus he is. You
know that's not a real dude. He puts up the
regular season numbers with those awards, but in the playoffs
he gets lost it.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Bro, was that Jared Allen quote, He's like, I guess
the lights are too bright or something like that. Bro,
he be folding, Yeah, like he'd be folding, Bro, Like
I think this is there's a real aspect of that
of like Yo performing like under pressure, Saran Scarland.

Speaker 5 (49:42):
He's not a real dude in crunch time. Evan Mobley
is not real. That team is Spider and Jared Allen
and then the white boy off the bench. But I
think white boy left.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
That's know what I'm saying. He's gone.

Speaker 5 (49:52):
He's gone.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
So it's like, bro, like now what Yeah, you know
what I mean. And that's it.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
It's like, Bro's Spider got to drop seventy or we're yeah,
you know what I mean. Like and it's like a
lot of hero balls. So there's nobody else out there
in the East that I'm like worried about, you know
what I'm saying, Like, even if the Sixers come back
and they're like full prime PG prime Joel embiid we good,
I feel like the bench is deep, you know what
I'm saying. Like we got Mike Brown who's said on record,

(50:20):
my rotation is gonna be like nine ten guys.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Thank you. Yeah, you know what I'm.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Saying, Like, way, Malcolm Brock, dude, Hello, you know what
I'm saying, Like, that's what you got the motherfuckers for.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
So I feel real good.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Well, I'm thinking like Eastern Conference finals minimum.

Speaker 5 (50:34):
I'm thinking championship. I put the money on the Knicks already.
You know it's gonna be Nick's Thunder. The Thunder are tough,
they're deep, but I don't know if those dudes are
mature enough to lock in and be focused back to back.
I just don't think they're back to back champs mentally.

(50:56):
You know they still that whole squad is extremely young,
and like they already won last year. I do think
there's a little letdown.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
Yo.

Speaker 5 (51:05):
The Knicks is vets. This is our year.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
It's prime. It's prime, prime time. That's why we got
calful like fifty ms a year, bro, Like, make it happen.

Speaker 5 (51:14):
Let's go.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
I don't care if you're like.

Speaker 5 (51:17):
We got a real chef off the bench and Jordan Clarkson, Yo,
for real.

Speaker 8 (51:21):
Half Filipino. For those of you who are unaware, you know.

Speaker 6 (51:24):
What I'm saying to say. I know you know what
I mean on my panoise out there. You know what
I'm saying, a dobo gang. You feel me in the building. Yeah, Yo,
of literity like like like of literity.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Like, so knickses looking good, NFC East is looking strong,
you know what I'm saying. And Pitchfork just dropped one
hundred top rap albums of all time. Let me get
your top five. I'll give you my top five, and
then men Is gonna give us their top ten so
we can argue. Because that's dude.

Speaker 5 (51:54):
I like this number one. It's not my personal favorite,
but I think as a piece of art, it is
like the closest thing rap has the jazz. Number one
is illmatic. I don't even think it's disputable. Number two
I would say, enter the thirty six chambers. I'm biased
because I'm Chinese, but like, come on, I think I
think that's a masterpiece. Number three, I'm putting this higher

(52:19):
than I think I've seen on most people lists. But
being ready to die, I gotta have four. I actually
put my beautiful, dark, twisted Fantasy number four. That's pretty
high for that one, and then I'm from down South.
Number five gotta be at Aliens. And then six, if

(52:39):
I had it, it's the first mob deep album.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
You know tough mine is kind of similar.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
You know what I'm saying as a fellow unk, I
got illmatic in of course, you know what I'm saying
because like you said, like it's and to me, it's
like transcendental bro, like if you like, it's almost like
you gotta make when you're making these you got to
leave that out, you know what I'm saying, because it's
like the it's like the it's like the when motherfuckers
talking about the greatest basketball players of all time and

(53:08):
you're like, yo, will like that motherfucker's scoring one hundred
points a game and doing all this wild ship that
will never be done.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
But it's just like all right, bro, but that that
was like back then and this is now.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
But like definitely omadic Hell on Earth from my deep
uh big pun Capital punishment.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Something. Oh Ship Coporta Noriega first album, Report War Report, Bro.
I had that ship on.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
Super repeat, like super repeat, and then fifth is the Roots.
Do you want more? You know what I'm saying. I
love that album, bro, Like I love that ship. I
don't know like what and it's not even like people
don't even put it in there like top three whatever,
But I love it, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (54:01):
But Pitchfork, I'll start from ten. Okay, so number ten
is mad villainy Oh, I.

Speaker 5 (54:08):
Mean it's Fly, but it's not top ten. They trying
to get cute.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Yeah you know that's like yo, they're trying to everybody.

Speaker 5 (54:15):
Yeah, I mean it's a Fly.

Speaker 8 (54:16):
Album, but number nine is equimini.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
I think.

Speaker 5 (54:21):
Okay, okay, but even honestly, I think you talk the
heads down South. There is always the argument that it's
like the argument between Iron Man and Supreme Clientele is
the argument between at Aliens and and EQUIPMENTI.

Speaker 8 (54:33):
Yep, number eight is hell half no fury.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Ah.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
I feel like that's like prisoner of the Moment shit
right now, bro with this clips rollout, how they like God?

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Yeah, they got every unk like this bro like PJ.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (54:49):
Funny enough, in my personal favorite, they make my top fifteen.
For sure, that album makes my top fifteen. But no,
I wouldn't have put it in the top ten.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Oh yeah I wouldn't. I think I top maybe twenty
for me. And that's crazy because they got they got
big lead all over that ship. Yeah you know what
I'm saying. I was like, oh, he's the Medican. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (55:08):
Number seven is the Miseducation of Lauren Hill.

Speaker 5 (55:14):
I'm not trying to get you know. It's like when
your wife says something that makes no sense, but you
just yeah, yeah, agree, I agree, I agree fully with
that exactly. I agree.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
That's great choice. Yeah, representation.

Speaker 8 (55:34):
Number six is rich Gang the Tour Part one.

Speaker 5 (55:40):
Okay, that's crazy, it's crazy, okay.

Speaker 8 (55:47):
And then number five is Illmatic for number five okay,
number five, number four Supreme Clientele okay, top five, number three,
four hundred degrees.

Speaker 5 (56:02):
Oh okay, Look, I love that album that talks seminal
album down South like definitely cracked everything open, whole new sound.
I mean, down South Records definitely makes the top ten,
but not I think in the pantheon of rap, like
not even close.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
But you're right though, that shit did change the game, bro,
because I remember as like a Bronx, like being in
high school when the Hot Boys was like popping, popping, popping,
seeing dudes from the Bronx playing Hot Boys records and
I'm like, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Yeah, and then also jay Z getting on the High Remix.
I was like, okay, Bro, his his.

Speaker 5 (56:39):
His flow, his sound, his patois like that was all new.
That was That was a seminal moment down South. He
completely changed the game. But like, I don't know if
I would put that album in the top I would
put it in my top twenty. Yeah, top twenty for sure.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
Yeah no, but yeah, hip hop is what we just
went to the fifteenth anniversary of hip hop like four
years ago.

Speaker 5 (57:02):
Number four is crazy. Number four is fully crazy for juvenile.

Speaker 8 (57:07):
No, Juvenile's number three.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Top three is nuts.

Speaker 8 (57:10):
Wait, which one was Supreme Clientele's number four?

Speaker 5 (57:12):
Yes, I mean Jurassic Plastic, Wo be Trapped, Scooby Snacks,
Come on, it's fly. I'm not gonna hate on Supreme Clientele.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Got these vegetables that any niggas jumping at these seats?
Come on?

Speaker 8 (57:22):
And number two is uh Tupac all eyes on me?

Speaker 5 (57:28):
All right, we ain't gonna start another war.

Speaker 8 (57:34):
Alone.

Speaker 5 (57:34):
People already, people already went crazy over this shit before
I'm leaving that alone.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
Dog. I almost got into a fight because I said, like,
somebody was just like yo, and this is like an
older white dude asking me this, and he was just
like yo, He's like, are you a Tupac or a biggie? Guy,
and I was just like, well, you know, I'm from
New York, so like I could like kind of visualize
and relate to the ship that Biggie was rapping about more.
But also I feel like Poc had like the Hennessee

(57:59):
and to me the penitentiary like flow and that was it.

Speaker 5 (58:03):
Yeah, And I'm gonna be honest, like, Yo, this should
end the argument. How many times? Who do you know
still listening to Tupac jail?

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Motherfuckers? That's what I'll say.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
I was like, yo, bro, if a motherfucker is like yo,
whoever could do the most push ups against the cigarette?

Speaker 2 (58:19):
They're listening to Tubac.

Speaker 5 (58:20):
Me Against the World. That's there.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Wake up to that.

Speaker 5 (58:24):
You in jail, you listen to Tupac Me Against the
World all the way through? Are you standing there with
that motherfucker a k all day like that that ship?

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Listen you memorize a big psych verse. You know what
I'm saying in the game.

Speaker 5 (58:40):
Yeah, yeah, you West Coast five percent san Quinton, like
like that's your top number one album.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
I'll feel you, yo, Apple TV. We're already show about
that for you coming from the culture.

Speaker 8 (59:00):
And number one is Mob Deep, the infamous.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Okay, thank you, good good good good back good good.
They put the button on, they put they put they
closed door.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Was like, all right, yeah the door.

Speaker 5 (59:14):
Yeah. I will not front on anyone that puts mob
deep number one, you know, never much respect, never.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Shot up the Prodigy man recipes Prodigy. I'm saying Recipe,
p DNP Bandanny P Queen's Finest.

Speaker 5 (59:28):
But Yo, that that list is that that list is
bonkers bananas makes no sense, like some kid is just
pulling names out of a hat. And even worked a complex.
We remember there's was like academic like white dudes working
a complex was trying to, you know, convince you mad
Lib got the greatest album all time? Ahi, brother, But
that's what that list is. Some like college backpack rap

(59:52):
duivalent in twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Thank you fam Yo Yo shots them in because we
was having this conversation. I got I had tickets, so
be a young boy show?

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Could it go? I was like, Yo, you want to
go go crazy?

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
There's something to be said about music just being just
fucking enjoy the music, bro, just to fucking just enjoyed
if the Yoda's beat us like we're talking about like
sir artists and just being in the studio and not
thinking about like chord progressions.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
They're just like, Yo, this sounds fire.

Speaker 5 (01:00:24):
That's that's how I'm doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
That's it. You know, this sounds fire.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Yo, Yo, when you say this ship instead of that,
now it's twice is fire?

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
All right, bet let's go with that, not like, oh,
let's try that in the G flat. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:00:37):
Also, we lived through it, so when I make the list,
I'm going off what sounds the most fire, what's the
most fire, and also what had the most cultural impact
in our lives, like what had the party moveing and
like what had people shark biting and what had people
completely flipping the script and throwing out their rhyme books.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Yep, you know and do a different ship, Like Yo,
I'm a wrap like this down. Yeah, we we off the.

Speaker 5 (01:01:02):
He's exact because the two biggest peaks in rap. We
all know it's Rock Him and NAS. That's it, you know,
but we wasn't around for to understand fully Rock Him.
People had to tell me Rock Kim's impact. And then
when he came with the eighteenth letter, I was like, oh,
you know, but really it's not. NAS changed the game

(01:01:24):
crazy and then.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
O D like with the storytelling ship rock Him changed
the game. He got motherfuckers off the hip hop, the
hibbi to the hibbit, the hip hop hop hop hip hop.
I went to the store to get me but whatever
the you know what I'm saying, the nice and smooth flow, yeah,
which is fire. But like now, when every single rap

(01:01:45):
album that comes out is using that same exact flow,
then rock Him comes and he's just like yo, and
he's just like aggressive and mad too, like Eric B
looked like he will kill you, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
So I was just like, oh, okay, I'm fuck with this.

Speaker 5 (01:02:00):
The funny thing I honestly think for rap music is
our people, our age can actually give you the definitive
list because the ogs that's ahead of us by five years.
You ask anyone what's the greatest hip hop Dwick Dwick?
You know, every single one of them is like Dwig.
Growing up, there wasn't that many options.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Bro, and they were like, oh shit, lemonade is a
popular drink and it still is.

Speaker 8 (01:02:28):
I'm gonna have to unfortunately interrupt the unk talk and so.

Speaker 5 (01:02:33):
That's oldhead talk. Old head talk.

Speaker 8 (01:02:35):
Yeah, ask you guys for your opinions on bad Bunny
playing the Super Bowl halftime show. Yo, this upcoming year.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
That is very true.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
This is happening, and I feel like I've seen a
lot of takes on it, but like the takes are
the takes are very like there's two Americas, you know
what I'm saying, Because it's like people.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Being like, this is crazy, this isn't an American music.

Speaker 5 (01:02:58):
This is blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Oh it's crazy. This is gonna start a civil war
like that, And I'm like, yo, y'all are smoking dick.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
First of all, because Couerel Rico literally is part of America,
Like you know what I'm saying, Like like very like
they spend American dollars with dead slave owners.

Speaker 5 (01:03:14):
It's a colony of America district too, you know, like
Hunger Game, everyone like this. This Everydean is from.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
Yoe, She's from furo Ship fucking Vido Pianre.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
This kind is everything that nat everything, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
But like I'm not, first of all, I think it's
a very duh like kind of idea because it's gonna
make people that don't even fuck with football at all
tune into a football game. Like and at the end
of the day, it's business, bro, Like the Super Bowl
is not for fucking like I know people want it
to be like and then this is a problem with
sports now like a lot, Like I know people wanted

(01:03:59):
to be like you know, yo for the fans, right,
like we should as Knicks fans, like as lifelong Knicks fans,
we should be able to go and sit and be
able to sit courseide, you know what I'm saying. If
it's like, Yo, your birthday and you want to splurge,
bro bad, you can't do that because they're all JP
Morgan Chase owns like the whole front row whatever the fuck,
so you can't do that. But like it's a business,

(01:04:22):
right Like at the end of the day, like these people,
everybody has to make money. So like I see that
part of it, you know what I'm saying, But then
I also see the part of it where it's just like, yo,
I'm a kid, and like, you know, my team is
in the super Bowl and I should not be able
to get a ticket for one hundred and fifty dollars
to go see the Super Bowl. And it's just like, bro,
like no, you shouldn't because the Super bowls happens once

(01:04:44):
a year, it's it's fucking full of brand activations and
like all this like shit, it's it's straight, it's straight
transactional business. So if you apply that, then you say, yo,
who's gonna get is the broadest audience, who's gonna get us?
The most people locked in on the halftimes? The most
popular artist of the past fucking what five years, Doug.

Speaker 5 (01:05:05):
And also yeah, he's the biggest global artist. And you
gotta think about it. From the NFL's business perspective, Americans,
our families are making too much money and are too
smart to let our kids play football. Why do you
think the NFL is trying to go international? One, they
need to grow their base, they need more places, but

(01:05:26):
they also need more people playing football because like a
wealthy country like America, people are not gonna continue letting
their kids play this sport where you literally die. You
see it. CTE is crazy, Like there's gonna be a
lot more kids in South America, Latin America that play football.
So like, I actually think this is a psyop, Like

(01:05:49):
have I should have the tinfoil hat on? But I
honestly think that the NFL, Yeah, I need the tinfoil hat.
I have this this will ready to go all right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Flying in Yo to protect my man from the five
G rays.

Speaker 5 (01:06:04):
You think you know what I'm saying, Oh, protect me
from the five D rays. This is my conspiracy take
about the bad Bunny. Thing that like the alt right
conservative minds in America can never seem to grapple with,
is that America is a wealthy country. People are aware
of how dangerous football is to play. You're not letting

(01:06:26):
your kid play football these days because of CTE you lose.
Look at Tyreek Hill lost his leg on Monday Night football. Right,
NFL is trying to grow because they need more people
in developing countries playing football, to literally have the bodies
to support this sport because if you look at the numbers,

(01:06:47):
like the birth rate declining, the amount of kids playing
football is declining around the countryep Right, the NFL has
to grow and become a global sport like the NBA did.
So inviting Bad Bunny to perform at the halftime show
is not only a boon to the NFL, but a
boon to this country in America, which profits off of

(01:07:09):
this game. So all of these right conservative people upset
about bad Bunny singing in our cultural game. You're an
idiot because your culture survives on immigrant bodies and labor,
and if people don't buy in from other countries, you
got nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
Who bitch victory like episode one fifty two Eddie Wader
the motherfucking Legends, but it came out of the human
do rec flav What more needs to be saying?

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Exclamation fucking point? Listen, bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
If you ain't subscribed yet, subscribe, subscribe to this shit,
subscribe to Canal see Dreams.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Hit my man on the sub stack. You know what
I'm saying. Let them know. Be like you know what
I'm saying. Where you at?

Speaker 5 (01:07:56):
JP? Morgan, Chase.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
A girl, I love you.

Speaker 5 (01:08:03):
This heat is incredible, man,