S1E3 Queens for a Day with Teri Weinberg

Today Ana and Mark are taking a trip to “Queens for a Day,” along with mother of all things Betty, executive producer Teri Weinberg. Teri spills the behind-the-behind-the-scenes tea, like falling in love with Betty La Fea, building the cast and crew, and what got left on the cutting room floor (Betty as a secret agent?!).

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:14):
What's up, everybody? We are back. We are going to
recap episode three, Queens for a Day.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Oh, I'm on our tease and I'm markin Delacado, but
y'all know that already.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Okay, So before we start, how was your week? Everything good?

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Yeah, everything's great. I mean it's really hot here in
Los Angeles right now. Yeah, currently wearing a long sleeved shirt.
But it's it's fashion.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
It's fashion.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
You're making a podcast about a TV show about fashion.
I'm wearing my ugly shirt. You always come back. Yeah,
you have all of the merch.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
The girl keeps her stuff.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
I don't have any of it.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Well, that tracks.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
So you can hear our beloved producer Terry. I'm we're
giggling in the background here. We have her here because
we're getting.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Some inside dish before we start the recap.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
We want to talk to Terry because she knows where
all the bodies are hidden.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
That's right, and she's a producer on this very podcast
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
So as we told you before, we've all stayed in
touch very much so, and that means every one of us,
even even our beloved Terry, has stayed there.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
So Terry, Yeah, so for anybody who doesn't know, tell
us what you did on Ugly Betty? What did you
do in a day to day?

Speaker 2 (01:32):
What did you do?

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:33):
What was your jam?

Speaker 4 (01:34):
Girl? It's a fifty minute podcast? All right, Well there
is not enough time. You know. It's funny because my
parents always said, what does a producer do? They never
understood what my work was, right, And as a producer,
you do everything. I always say. I was a fireman.
I put out fires. I was there to liaison between

(01:58):
the studio and the network and producers and cast.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
And I cried on your shoulder a few times.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
Oh, I have no doubt take care of my babies,
you know. But really, as an executive producer on the
show from start to finish, I looked at that at
the Betty lafeya and you know, from format to writer
to tone to tone to draft to anybody that's hired

(02:25):
two when we you know, to casting to pilot to
series two end of the day. You know, so you
do a lot. You wear a lot of hats.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Well, I mean, I I guess just in talking about casting.
Oh yes, I want to know.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
You were there for all the casting, of course, Okay.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
I want to know it was a blur to me.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
I don't really.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
I know someone was in the room, and I know
Sylvia was in the room. That's kind of all I remember.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
Were you in the Did we bring you into the
stage at ABC? Yes, So just for some context, Well
I saw you in New York. But ABC had a
giant theater, a theater with a stage. It was so
gnarly and there were probably you know, ten or fifteen rows,
and there were maybe twenty of us in there, and

(03:09):
these amazing actress had to come in and stand on
a stage and perform h for it was, oh my god,
I just got the show.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
It was crazy. Yeah, it was crazy.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
I've never had to do like a network test like
that before, like in in the like the you know,
in those theaters with your lutages, Like I've never had
to do that before, and it sounds so narch It's awful.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
I mean, I think, you know, when I was producing
The Office, I think we were the first show that
actually did recorded, taped auditions and sent them into the
network so that you didn't have to walk into a
room and actually perform in front of you know, forty
people staring at it, and sort of changed the way
you know shows cast. I actually believe that doing taped

(03:55):
auditions as producer is the way to do it because
I think it gives me the actor.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Do you recall the the how do I want to say,
like who was cast? When like like down down the line.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
We auditioned kind of simultaneously. I mean Betty, I think
we saw I auditioned for Betty. You auditioned for Betty.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Every Latin actress in Los Angeles audition for Betty.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
We auditioned for Miss Universe or Miss Mexico. We auditioned
Sophia Rigara. I mean, all these beautiful people. And by
the way, America is stunning. Yes, yes, but you know
the network asked. We knew that we wanted America to
be Betty for the minute we met her, and I'll
tell you that story. But the network made us do

(04:50):
auditions ad nauseum. I think we saw one hundred or
one hundred and twenty five women for Betty.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
All of us came in to see it. Yeah, but
I think I said this on our first episode. It
was it's always an opportunity for the actors out there to,
you know, to come in and show your stuff. And
then it did work out because you get called back.
In my brain, I was like, there's no way I'm right.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
For this part.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
But also the first time I saw you, yeah, I said,
there's Hilda. We're done, Harry.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
I know that.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
I just like I knew it right then.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
You just took my breath away. Oh my god. Yeah,
that's incredible, that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
That's happened a lot with me with casting. I see someone,
I saw you. I flew to New York for auditions
with Sylvia Rest your Soul, sweet boy, and this one
came in. I remember meeting you and your mother and
Steel Yeah, yeah, righto coming in. Yes, I loved her

(05:51):
and laid eyes on you, and and then I'm thinking
in my head, Tony plan America for the two of
you done.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
It's a rap rap boy.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
And in this episode, which we'll get to later, but
it really showed that, didn't it. I felt like this
was an episode where the family really you got.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
It, Yeah, you got it. The dynamics, the dynamics and
the you know, the chemistry. Yes, like it was all
very so so evident, like with the four of us too,
like all four of us, not just yeah you know,
like Betty and Hilda or like Justin and Hilda or
you know, it's really this you see the family dynamic.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
And truth that was my favorite place to be. I
wanted to be in that Suarez house. I wanted more
of that family. Yeah, just could not get enough of you.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
And the house felt like it felt like a home,
like a home. It felt like a home.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Are there any are there any?

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Well?

Speaker 1 (06:48):
I guess you're going to be with us for this recap?

Speaker 3 (06:51):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, okay, good, so you can sort of everybody stay tuned.
She's going to pipe in with any sort of you know,
behind the scenes nuggets that we have heard before.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
Drop some tea, drop some tea.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Down this other question I had for you, Terry, I
just feel like you whenever you talk about the show,
you're so so passionate about it, of course, and you
have such like a visceral like emotional reaction to it.
And I just am curious of like when you signed
on to produce this show and be a part of
this team, Like was the vision there or did it

(07:27):
develop as you as you you know, as you started
casting or the world was building, or did it not
happen until after we shot the pilot? Like what what
was the vision that you had.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
First of all, I didn't sign on. I was at Revelly,
the production company, right. Ben Silverman, who will talk to
be talking to it, came to me and said, I
have this format. I want you to watch it, tell
me what you think. And so I sit down, I
watch Betty Lefay and this thing was just bonkers. Is
bonkers Betty is based. So it's the novella, and it

(08:03):
was just super high energy, and everybody spoke really fast,
and I didn't really understand all the Spanish, but you
could get the kind of nuances of what was happening.
But I knew at the center of it that there
was this character that we could take and utilize in
a way. I always said that Betty reminded me of
kind of an ugly duckling story met Cinderella, you know,

(08:24):
And so I said to Ben, I don't know what
that is, but I think we can. I see the
promise of that. And so we actually developed it as
a half hour. We developed it as an hour two
writers before Sylvia Oh my God, with ABC Studios for ABC,

(08:44):
and we realized that there was so much more nuance,
you know, we wanted there. We didn't want it to
just be a high bro comedy, but we wanted to
be able to live with these characters. And so I
watched a pilot that Silvio had done that didn't get
up to get picked up to series, and I just
thought there was something really special about the tone. So

(09:06):
Ben and I reached out to Sylvia shared the format,
and we had a call with him. I think he
was in Switzerland or somewhere weird. He was somewhere weird,
and he pipes in and he said, listen. I was
raised on this telemovella. My mother watched it when I
was a boy, and I love it. It's in me,

(09:28):
this is my life, and I came up with this
great idea. I want Betty to be an undercover FBI
agent and this is how we get her into Mode,
and then she's the one that's going to investigate some
wrongdoings in Mode.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
I feel like you told me that. I'm sure I
think that you told me.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
I'm sure you've heard me say this before. And you know,
me and Ben, we never stopped talking. You can't get
a word in no, and it was literally a cricket
and we weren't in the same room. And I don't
think either one of us knew what to do or say,
and we said, you know, no, but no, first of all, no,

(10:11):
that's a hell no. And but go and think about
it because we love you and we know that you
you have this in you and I love.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
This about you. I love your faith and artists.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
I think that that's such a rare commodity and we're
so lucky to like have had you. And I think
you spoiled us, yes, you know, because I think that
doesn't happen often.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
I think you're a rare bird. I think you're definitely.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
A and like love actors, Oh my god, I love
I want to eat both of you. I mean, if
people knew what I was doing behind the camera every week. Again,
I'm just I'm so happy I get to laugh out
loud in and of itself. But that's what you know,
that's what our business is. Is that you have to
have faith in people. And I live by these creative

(10:59):
ideas risks.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
I think this is a big risk and I don't
think people do that anymore.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
And you guys did.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
I'll tell you a story about Selma later.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
I was gonna say, when did Salmi come on board?

Speaker 4 (11:09):
She came on kind of closer to when we were
getting going to get picked up to pilot in the
in the script stage, and she was very integral in
helping us get this picked up, I bet. And I'll
just set the stage by saying we were in Steve
McPherson's office, who was the president of the at work
at the time, me Ben and Selma, and she was

(11:30):
standing on his coffee table, and I'll leave it there.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Why do I not doubt that for even one second?

Speaker 3 (11:37):
I know it to be one hundred percent. That is
not You have not misremembered that she was.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
In like the most fabulous heels get out Like, okay,
all right, well I think.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
That we should just let's just dive in because I'm
so excited to hear what Terry has to say about
like things that I don't know that we probably know
nothing about.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Absolutely, so let's get into it. We open up.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
This is season one, episode three, Queens Queens.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Day, Bye Baby.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
We open up at vamp a Club, And I have
to give it up to production because throughout this entire
show I noticed that, you know, we were shooting in
LA but it really they really made it look like
New York.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
It looked like it looked like the meatpacking district to me, listen,
and the.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Whole Queen stuff, which we'll get into later.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
I mean that looked like, you know, you can be
walking down Queens Boulevard like real, for real, so like
straight up and down. That was beautiful because I think
I watch a lot of shows that are supposed to
take place, you.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Know, everywhere else, and I'm like, oh, well, there's an
extra in a Lakers jersey, or there's a pomp.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
But I mean to give everyone a sense of what
happened after we shot the pilot. We shot it in
New York, all practical, and then the network said to us, yes,
we would like to pick you up to series, but
we're moving you to Los Angeles. And so there went
the scramble, where's the studio having to rebuild the sets

(13:03):
and figure out a place that looked like Queens And yeah,
it's hard and it was amazing, but it was beautifully
And this is the first time I think we really
see we're out waiting stereos.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yes, exactly, aside from the little house stuff, but that
was in the pilot. Okay, So I loved in the
I loved in the club scene. When Mark and Wilhelmina,
I mean, it's just sort of like she can't get
into the club.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
Yeah, and let the regular people in.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
Right, come back on Monday, but me let anyone in.
And by the way that anyone that has lived in
New York City has gone to one of these kind
of nightclubs that vamp is based off of, it is
that is not an exaggeration of the way that the
club scene works.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
I mean I never had to wait on the line,
but sorry, I never had girls.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
But I've seen other people wait.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
I seen other people do it. But her with her
Xerox card.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
Was a Xerox card, not a Xerox card. What okay,
what is a Xerox card?

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah, they don't exist anymore.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
Do you know what xerox?

Speaker 1 (14:13):
A xerox machine.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
I'm gonna punch you. Do you know what a copy machine?

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Copies?

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Copies?

Speaker 4 (14:22):
It's the name of the copy machine.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Oh okay, Oh yeah that So they're in the club.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
And I loved when Mark and Wilhelmina.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
This is my question for you, Marky, because Marky says,
Willimy comes in, She's like what's happening, and he's like
the usual suspects, and she says, you know, Heidi Klum
is a no show, Isaac is in the back getting sloppy,
and so and so a facelift has a bad facelift lawsuit.
And I'm thinking, like the name dropping of it all,

(14:53):
which we did so beautifully, do you think, because I
know for sure that Isaac ms RAII, who we were referencing,
was for sure watching it, do you think that he
felt the type of way or was like psych.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
I honestly think that any mention of any especially about
a show, like a show that is about like high
the world of high fashion, I think that anyone that's
being mentioned in that context should be very very to
be mentioned. And then you know, obviously as as the
show like progresses in the season's progressed, I mean, the

(15:25):
amount of guest stars that we had did.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
Come on no, no, but I.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Mean like just just in terms of just down the
down the road as the show progressed, like how many
people came.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
Tim Gun you know, the fashion I don't think.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
I don't know. I mean, you know, you never know
what a you never know what an old queen like
Isaac is feeling.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
But he's so funny that I think.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
He think he would probably get a kick out of it.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
All right, So we keep cutting back and forth between
the club and the and the house. Right, but but
when I just have to say, when we go home
and you and Walter are doing dance dance.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Revolution, Dance dance Revolution, another sign of the times.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Fair, that is so true.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
But here is a perfect example of how a person
can steal a scene without saying one word.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Because my entire life.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Was watching you in the background when when Walter and
Betty were having the scene.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
You like having your little wiggle and like killing it.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
Yeah, they had a choreographer. I remember that you had
the moves though I was eating it up.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
You had the shoulder ship.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Yeah, it was before.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
To recap.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Everybody who's listening Marky has never watched these episodes. I
just want to remind you all that. So what did
you think when you saw that?

Speaker 1 (16:45):
And he was eleven?

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Who that child is?

Speaker 4 (16:49):
Like?

Speaker 3 (16:50):
I think by the time we were filming that episode,
because we were in La already, I had just turned twelve,
and I'm like looking at this little kid, and I'm like,
who is that second? So gay, so undeniable. Maybe I
was in a state of denial that it was like, no, no, no,

(17:13):
not at the time. It like now, in like in hindsight,
I was like, couldn't have been that crazy? Okay, guys, Oh,
just you wait. I opened my mouth.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
And I was just getting started exactly.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
I was like, oh, so it was just it was
just completely obvious, like there was.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
No you break down to the Mode magazine.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Yes, I that was that was funny. Oh and then
you know, I think that this is going to be
a running theme for the first season. But that wig
atop her head, that was a new wig. Wig atop
her head.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
I mean, we're gonna have to keep talking about it
because it's.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
Going to get better though, because it's going to turn
into just bangs.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
And America's hair, they just did bangs for her.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (18:03):
We didn't have any money.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
Dude, No, no, I mean listen, I just I can't.
But every time since we have been talking about it
the last two episodes, now I'm like on the lookout
for what wig it was, and like what the wig
looks like?

Speaker 4 (18:18):
You can't even you guys don't even know how I obsessed.
Sitting behind that camera. I looked at those banks and
fixed that hair and fix those bangs between every take.
I mean, I was obsessed.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
It was it was I can't not see it, you
know what I mean, I can't not be on the
lookout for what for what the unit is giving the
unit the unit.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
I will have to say, I thought it was very
cute with Walter and Betty was very sweet, and I
like that Betty had her moment of like you know what, no,
and he's.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Like I paid full price again.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
But I think it's attention to detail those little details
of like this is the world we're living in right
where it's like we are sort of we're not the
rich cats, right we are like that to Walter is
like no, like.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
This is a big, very big jack. Yes.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
I love that sort of juxtaposition between the two worlds.
We go back to the club. We have our Bradford

(19:35):
Daniel super like daddy tension, which is a running theme
throughout the show, which I complete approval from the father.
Yeah like daddy approval. I totally forgot about that, but
from every aspect.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yeah like that Wilhelmina Daniel, you Betty, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
That plays throughout the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
But also Bradford said something that I was like, Wow,
that's he When Daniel was taking talking to the model
and Bradford comes up and he's like, be careful, I
think she's only twelve.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
I was like, Z twelve twelve twelve girl, Well that's
a little bit.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
I mean, we wouldn't be using that line.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
I was gonna say sideways also that we would never
played me too totally.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
We could. Yeah, living through we're living through it, I mean,
and and then well another thing that we're also living
through right now is we go back to the Suarez
house and Betty's talking to Ignastio about the HMO and
healthcare and and him saying that he's running out of
his medication and is trying to make it last. And

(20:44):
I mean that's also extremely topical, which we saw in
the pilot yep, right when she's on the phone with the.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
And we'll stay there.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
We stayed there, we do and I saw I think
it's really great.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
It's again the way that you guys did it was
like just the way that this show handled it.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
It wasn't a finger wag, it wasn't a bummer. It
wasn't a like, you know, woe is me thinking? It
was a fact.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
It was a reality that everybody is living with, and
it just was dealt with as such. It wasn't you
know this sort of like as God as my witness,
you know, it was like, this is what we're dealing
with on an everyday basis, and you move on and
you keep it moving.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
But but but before we go onto that scene, because
you had a moment when you come in and you're like,
she comes in from the club. She didn't get in.
Obviously she's obsessed, and you're like, how was the club?
But your first thing is like, sow, I.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
Think you still do I do?

Speaker 1 (21:46):
That's the way Sally it's feeling.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Tell me everything. She's like a super annoyed I come in, but.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Uh, your favorite heart chain that.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Heart shame bell.

Speaker 4 (22:02):
I mean, I wore that to But what I loved
most about this scene is that you sit down. Betty's
eating ice cream and cake justin leaves. You sit down.
You didn't get in.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
I knew that. I know you were going to get it.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
I knew it and just kind of calling her out
but not but not.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
That's right just in the way I think, Kilda, it's
a very cool, very real sister relationship.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
It's like you can bullshit everybody, but you can't bullshit me,
you know. And I think we have that and like
we had that from Jump.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
But I do want to give a little shout out
to you gave one look before you leave.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
You're like you gave your little what'd.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
You say, like the puff pieces the puff pieces and
blah blah blah. But then you like you stood there
and you like looked up until you were like period.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Basically what you said was.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
Period and the period dot period. You gotta look it
to be it. That's the way.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
I mean. Did we not say that line for literally
years and not got.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
I've only but seen this episode this morning, but I
just recall that line beat America and you and I
would say that all the time for years, like for
like even like we would be like, you gotta look
at it. That's the way.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
I do want to take note that we always always ate.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Like and I don't mean ate like Sleigh, I mean
like actually eat the food, by.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
The way, where did that come from?

Speaker 3 (23:38):
What she ate? She ate? She's eating it up.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
That's left no crumbs. Not okay, Xerox zero winner zero,
I see you.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
She's actually writing no see I'm in trouble now, Okay, Look,
I think this is also where we see one of
the themes. I think one of the themes of this
episode was definitely sort of like seeking approval from a
father or a parent figure of father specifically.

Speaker 5 (24:11):
Yes, it was also this thing of like does Betty
change who she is to fit in or does she
remain true to herself and stay herself?

Speaker 3 (24:22):
This is okay, and I because I have very mixed
feelings about this because on one hand, we can argue
that like it feels maybe dated to say like you
need to change yourself to fit in, right, that's not
necessarily like the messaging that we favor like now right.

(24:44):
But on the other hand, if you look at it
in a different from a different like vantage point, yeah,
that it's like who cares about what's doing over here?
Like on the outside, Like if that's the only thing
that you need to change bringing to the table that
or right, Like but I'm saying I guess what I'm
trying to say is that, like Betty is the one
that ends up saving the day all the time, so

(25:05):
if all she has to do is just put on
a different outfit, like who cares? Like she's still doing
the but it's still saving the dead and.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
The context of the world, this is a moment to
show the world that she doesn't need to change to
affect change m hm. And so we see her put
on the face, gets the makeover, we realize it's what's
in here, right, and that's the point that that's that's
the north star what she But sometimes you have to

(25:39):
sure to show that idea.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
Because I don't know, I just I was having like
I was going back and forth like in watching it
of just being like because it kind of hit me
when Hilda was just kind of like listen, like these
are not these are not your people, Like, these are
not our people. So and you want to get in
with these people, like you need to like play their game,

(26:01):
you know, which I don't necessarily, which I don't find
to be untrue, agreed, do you know what I mean?
So it's a complicated like push and pull between staying
completely true to oneself but simultaneously like needing to play
the game adapting like.

Speaker 4 (26:14):
You can you can similar it, you know, assimilation.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
And that's what I think this episode really. The other
central theme of this episode made me think about it, right,
is like when does adapting become conforming?

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Ooh, look at you Pardone very predictions.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
I love him, This is why we have these.

Speaker 4 (26:35):
But also think about it because Daniel is always being
compared to his brother, always, and so there's the theme
that's running through his story arc that he's going to
be himself, he's going to be honest, he's going to
do things differently, and so both of those stories kind
of came to you.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
I just love how we I don't like, I don't
know a show that does that as seamlessly and as
sort of It's seems effortless in in the when you're
watching it, but I know that I'm sure that it
wasn't secret really.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
Really hard and hard.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
I will shout out to every single human that wrote
on this series.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Oh my god, those guys are best. And Dyalen is amazing.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
She love her Dayalen.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Lincoln Lawyer love her. I did notice that with.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Okay, I'm going to just have a little fashion moment
if I can please.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
This entire episode for me was.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
I was I was a little man. I feel like
it was. There was one Oh, there was an outfit
that Amanda war when she tells Betty when Daniel comes
out of his office and he's like dressed up on
the striped suit. It was like, ah, I thought it

(27:59):
was just a shirt and it was like, but I
think that it was like a suit, like a like
a matching set. I thought, I like that. It looked
very gautiate to me. Yeah, Vanessa's poof on the top
of her Wilhelmina's poop is getting taller and taller and taller.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
It was like an Amy winehouse.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
It's literally no, it's like it's like the snl sketch
where like the hat or like or like, No, it's
not now. I think it's like Matthew because where like
that gets bigger and bigger and bigger. Like why is
her why? I literally in my big big the precursor

(28:35):
to the Snookie poop.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
I cannot it was and.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Then when and then when she goes and gets the updo,
she looked like a cone head.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
It wasn't okay, okay, we're gonna talk to Vanessa in
coming episodes, and she was enjoying those.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Well, we're gonna talk to anybody can rock it.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
It is right, I mean, listen, the face card never declines.
The body. The body is okay, I'm just saying it's.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
It was so funny and she and we see the
first sort of flicker of like a a Wilhelmina and
Bradford sort of like the way she like leaned.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Up against Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Like but I mean, you know, she could have chemistry
with a chair, like she's so incredible and.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
So okay.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
So then oh, then there's a conspiracy moment. Oh that's
why I was saying with Bradford meets the thug guy
in in the in the park and it looked I mean,
that looked to me so much like me. I was
really impressed with that.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
So that was I was not aware that, I mean,
this is like a murder mystery storyline. I was like,
what is this part of the show. I was like this,
I mean obviously it's like, yeah, we see the masked
woman that first.

Speaker 6 (29:53):
Yes, we hated that storyline, really clearly hated the network
us to have a mystery, and we said, why are
we having a mystery?

Speaker 3 (30:04):
It does feel and congruous.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
It was, and that's why it disappears. Yeah, so we
had to very quietly just let it, let it disappear
because we hated it, and the writers did not want
to write to it.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Yeah, and you can tell I mean it's fine, and
I you know, I mean, I mean, yeah, let's be honest.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Well, I mean so, and did none of the writers
like want to write for it. No, So there wasn't
even one person that was like on you know, on
like our team essentially that like really really liked it as.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
Far as I know, I mean, I don't think so.
I mean, I know Sylvia wasn't a fan of it,
and so right, so the trickle down was, I mean,
you know, you're writing staff. They try to honor what
right of course, you know, but.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
And you gotta do the you know, it's that you've
got to do what the studio wants and to you
you know, get those.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Those Emmys and that side or baby.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
But we do start hearing more and more about Alex,
about Daniel's brother, and sort of that. We have the
brainstorming Sash with with Betty and Daniel in the office and.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
He is really has this really vulnerable.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
I thought Eric did such a beautiful job with it because.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Again, it wasn't it wasn't hitting you over the head.
He wasn't MOPy or euris.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
He was just sort of like eating his Chinese food
and having a gap. But I don't think it seemed
to me like he's never had someone he could talk
to like this and you know, talking.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
Without any semblance of judgment or not knowing the dynamic. Yeah,
she's a complete outsider in a good way, in a
good way, right, like a complete like objective observer of
like what he's gone through and and that like and
then and then that's that's a great conversation that happens,
because then it makes her start thinking that favorite, who's

(31:56):
the favorite between Hilda and Betty, because she says to Dan,
you know, like, well, my dad doesn't have a favorite,
and he's like, come on, every parent does have a favorite.
They just won't like like not everyone is like my dad.
That would be so overtly obvious about it.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
And then you notice in that scene though, when Daniel's
laying on the conference room table during the conversation, it
was a way again Jim Haymon was so brilliant. It
was it was a way to level the playing field
for two people to just talk, not boss and assistant.
They were eye to eye. She's sitting, he's laying, and

(32:33):
I just felt there was an intimacy.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
Isn't that amazing?

Speaker 3 (32:36):
I mean you think about it, like, yeah, I didn't
even think about it, but now when you say it,
that's all I think about.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Exactly right, And that's such a good point.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Like we had, we were so lucky with all the
directors that we had, but Jim Haymon, he was so
he was so integral in that first season. He really yeah,
really thoughtful, and he really loved he loved the characters.
So that was that was amazing. Then we go back
to home.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
One of my favorite things that I got to do
as Hill the.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
I'm gonna blow out my mic but I always yelled,
I'm just telling you I'm gonna blow.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Like I just I did it throughout the whole season, just.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Like yelling you yelling Justin and Wilhelmina yelling Mark.

Speaker 4 (33:17):
And also you're all you're always doing it over your shoulder.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
It's always you're not going to make me late today.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
It's my favorite and it's so this is when my
cousin called me, she'd be like, you owe me ten
percent because that is definitely me.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
I was like, okay, okay, anyway, checks in the mail.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
Also wait in speaking of father's approval. What we end
up figuring out at the end of the episode is
that Vanessa Wilhelmina is talking about the Senator, the Senator
of the Center, And originally I was like, is she
dating a senator? Like is he? And then we obviously
come to find out that that's another father.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
That's right, which I didn't even read until the end
of the right, I was like, why is she just
calling him the senator?

Speaker 3 (34:05):
Like he's got to have a name, like she's dating him.

Speaker 4 (34:08):
You can see Vanessa just gives little teeny tiny feelings
of insecurity. We don't see her this paranoid or this
worried about who's coming to see her. Yes, so you're
getting a sense that it's an important person.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
She's just like impressing a man, but like you don't
know the relationship that she has to like said man,
Like it could have gone either way, like she could
have been trying to like woo this guy or obviously
impress her father, which we find and he gives her
zero so me, he gives her nothing.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
So we get to meet our guest star, who is
I don't I hate to say his.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Name wrong Reese Choreo Choreo Corio Choreo. He's so good.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
He was.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
He played basically a very similar character on Entourage. She
did a Queen's Kid, which we got first. We have
as we do, we did it first. But he was great.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
I thought he was really great, really charming and good
and a queen's kid, and I loved the whole conceit
of sort of you know that because I think that's true.
I like that the sort of like it works in
both ways. Like you have an inn from the hood,
and you know what I mean, that's like you think, oh,

(35:24):
that's only for like for you know, the Fifth Avenue
people or whatever. They like know each other from Yale
or what have you, what have you. But like the hood,
life goes goes far and deep. You know, those connections
run deep. And I love that they were able to
sort of incorporate that and stay true to it because
I find that in my life that's actually a thing
that really like goes through.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
And I mean, listen, say last like he she wins
him over with a sandwich with a hero, and that
is that is true. I love you could win me
over with a good sandwich from Phil like from my
favorite filay so Pe, Come on, and so, and I
just love that that. I don't know, I found that

(36:06):
to be funny and so charming and sweet that like
he calls and that you know he's gonna end up
working with them because she like got him a hero
from his favorite deli and queen. Like, I don't know,
I just found that to be so sweet.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
I don't know where they shot when they were when
she's walking down the street in Queens.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Where that was was that like Eagle Rock or I
mean it looked so much.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
Like we were downtown Downtown.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Yeah, God, that looked great.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
So shout out to like all of them because it
really gave me downtown l a thank you.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
And so then so Vincent does end up calling. He
wants to get lunch with Daniel and Betty because she
has because she has cohonas and and and Daniel's very
very impressed by this, tells her to dress up.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Yeah. And then Becky Amanda, sorry I keep saying Amanda
comes in with the line of maybe he means natural fibers,
sweetie period.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
So obviously you know where else is Betty gonna go
to get her makeover but from her lovely sister Hilda.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
No, Well, first she goes to Christina's closet.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
Oh, she does go to Christina's You're right, and Christina
is like not having it, Like she's like, I will
not entertain you selling out.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
And I don't even know how they even knew this
about Ashley. First of all, her whole line about real
women have.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Fat arses and wobbly upper arms and pms.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
And they don't you know, you don't have to change
to fit in blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
But I remember this is Ashley. I remember when I
was thinking about getting boatsks.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
Oh my god, oh god.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
What did she say to you? I don't know this story.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
I was like, Ashley, I'm gonna get boatsoks and she's like,
I cannot do a Scottish axon, so please forgive me.
She's like, no, you can't get you can't do it.
And then she goes, you're gonna look like a boiled
egg and she said, just a fringe, mean bank.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
And listen, the network wanted her to do an American accent.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
No kidding, really, Yes, I'm so glad she didn't.

Speaker 4 (38:10):
Yes, And we lost our minds and said we need
her in all of her glory.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Yeah, and it's it's It's another one of those examples
of like a character or a person playing a character
that you can't even imagine anyone else playing it. Like
even if Ashley Jensen was still playing Christina but with
an American accent, it wouldn't be Christine, Like, it just
would not be Christina.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
I just can't imagine that.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
That is so, and Christine would be so much less
funny to me. I feel like, without this, like the Scottishness.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
That made every joke right, we go back home.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
I love again the little virgin Mary on the mirror
shout out.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
I just love I love all the chat keys of
our house.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
I love that Ignacia doesn't know the word glamazon.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
He's like Glamazon because she's like I have to be
a Amazon and blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Sitting home on Prom night, and I thought it was
just you know, she was like, you always try to
encourage me, even when I was a rock in the
school played and he's like, hey, you were a terrific yeah,
which is I mean, couldn't be more dad behavior, you know?

Speaker 1 (39:41):
Yes, And it's so and it's very also very very
he was that.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
And it lends itself to you know now that Betty
got Hilda thinking about right that it's it's kind of
hitting hitting you sideways.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
And then I'm like, okay, so she is the faith.
But I think he'll do.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
I think throughout everything, He'll always thought Betty was the
I don't.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
Think that it was a new thought for her. I
just think that it was just like it was just
brought up.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
Yeah, for surehaps but you but He'll always had those
maternal instincts because she went from c you're the favorite
to Okay, let's we're.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Going to take care, we're going to fix things exactly,
which okay, no, the ponytail on me, boy.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Okay, you know that. I you know that I the
hair story, the story that that ponytail was telling, not
we need to do.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
Another podcast, Viva Betty hair.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
Stories, hair hair stories because by the way, we we
do have many hair stories on this tele It's it
was hard.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
You know, it's hard to launch a series, right, Yeah,
it was, and we're in our third episode. Yeah, and
it's just constant. As you guys know, it's discovery. Things
you love, things that you hate, and part of it
was figuring out what you were comfortable with, what you
guys started to love to wear and all those kinds of.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
It was but I mean, I just think it's so fun.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Mistakes and yeah, it's all growing pains, and it's also
like you said, like we just didn't have the money,
so it was like stick on a synthetic.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
Pony and get out, keep moving.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
I will say though the rest of the other scenes,
I did have that cute like one side up, one
side down.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
A little flip. And I was still in my short hair.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
You had a short hair then, and I.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Was in this.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
I'm still with my like want to be Kavali because
that wasn't that was not not yet.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
But then we meet Cholie.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
She was so funny.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
She was funny on the day.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
That's the.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
When they're giving Betty her petticure. Something something that about
America comes up is that America Ferara can do many
things pretty much anything. She cannot fake laugh. She can't
she cannot fake laugh. But the thing that we always
would do, I remember so vividly is we would make

(42:24):
her do like what she had to laugh. We would
make her look at us, do the fake laugh and
just like give her obviously looks of disapproval because it
was very horrible and then she would really start laughing so.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Fake she cannot do so crazy. I will say.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
I love the cross cutting between the Willelmina Makeover and
the Betty Makeover. And did you know did you notice
Willelmina's hairstylist was Jill Marini?

Speaker 4 (43:01):
Yes, I know.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
I mean he was the hot sexy dude in Sex
in the City who was Samantha's neighbor, the surfer.

Speaker 4 (43:08):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
He was also on a show with me called Devious Maids.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
He was brilliant and amazing and now he's like everywhere
doing everything and he's so stinking.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
Hot and amazing, and he took a fiver under.

Speaker 7 (43:19):
I mean, I can't even believe it.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
And so I feel like we discovered him jump.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
Yeah. I have a two o'clock with Choli. I have
a two o'clock with Huck.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
He's so hot. Even in his little little thing, he
was so okay.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
So we love all the makeover stuff, makeover stuff, the
hairspray was hilarious.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
It's so funny because I I'm watching this and I
remember it. I cannot believe you guys are telling me
this was twenty years ago.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
I really can't because it just seems very very vivid
in my memory shooting that everything. Yeah, and then we
walk in Queens and she's getting all the wolf call,
she gets cat called.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
And can I she's excited by it, which okay.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
So I'm going to say something this is going to
be probably controversial.

Speaker 4 (44:08):
Is just a leave behind or whatever?

Speaker 1 (44:10):
This is probably a leave.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Behind for me, but and maybe for everybody. And you know,
I'd love to hear what people think. But there was
a time in my life and it doesn't happen now
as much. But like I would leave my house.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
And if I didn't get a cat call, I'd be like, oh, like,
what's wrong with me? This is me growing up in
New York. I'd be like, oh, I look like I
must not look good today.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
That's how like demented and crazy like my brain was,
you know what I mean of like thinking like that
kind of.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
That.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
That's okay, that that sort of behavior.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
Look, I grew up in the you know, eighties, and
it's unhealthy validation.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Exactly right, And now I think it's now it's just.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Like my daughter sixteen, and she's unbelievably beautiful, but she
walks on the street and you know, I see men
looking at her and I want to want I'm filled
with such a rage such like I want to be.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Like she's a child, do you know what I mean?
But I will say like there was that element when
she turns out she's like me and.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
They're like, you know the wolf whistle small and I
thought like, oh, yeah, I mean I don't think.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
That it's.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
And of course it was construction worker, so we stereotyped
the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
Right, I mean, and like you know, you can go
as far like it's just like the male gaze and
like all of these things that we're having these larger
cultural conversations about over the last twenty years, especially right,
But yeah, I mean, I I don't know it's it's
definitely a leave it for me. But I can understand
where like wanting that validation would know I had, do

(45:44):
you know what I mean? Like I can understand why,
especially in the context of this show and this character. Right,
And it's like she walks out of the salon in
this moment, like you have to contextualize it for what.

Speaker 4 (45:54):
Because it also sets her up to go into mode
thinking okay, something right now?

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Yah?

Speaker 3 (46:01):
And so you know Betty is kind of she's feeling herself.
She gets to she gets to a mode and uh,
they're in the conference room, they're having the meeting.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Well, first, I do want to say, she walks in,
after she's in the elevator with Bradford, she walks out
again between Mark and America.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
The physical comedy.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
At all, like her sort of tripping on her heels
and then Mark, you know, slashing through to get the photo.
It's just so and again Jim Haymond's brilliantly directed because
it was so smooth, but just that that physical comedy,
we just had it.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
There wasn't a dull moment to.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Be had, right and so and it's all feeling like,
you know, of course you expect Mark to be snarky
and whatever and like make fun of Betty, Like that's
not I think I have my new screensaver right, Like
there's no there's no there's no surprise there. Right. But
then when we're in the conference room and Wilhelmina stands
up and just eviscerates her, eviscerates her in a way

(47:02):
that I don't even know, and looking at like poor
Betty's face standing there trying to like be stoic and
not completely you know break down, and I mean Vanessa
just you know, yeah, it was you know, I mean
she just and it was so like calm and deliberate

(47:24):
and just hideous, like it was just so mean.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Yes, she kept like sort of gesturing to bed yes,
or but also to the photo and the thing. But
did you notice this is a little tiny thing. But
did you notice when they were like, we can't have
every issue be about like this, that eating disorders. And
then that painfully skinny woman gets up furiously and walks.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Out and she says, it's a lifestyle. I think we
can leave it. I think we're going to leave it.
But I was like, oh my god, and not actually
getting the anorexic girl. No, I but I'm sorry sorry

(48:09):
to this woman, but she did not look well she
was gray girl.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
Okay, so we actually cast that role, so.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
I mean she fit it was for But also the
joke again like like the twelve year old joke, we
probably couldn't couldn't do it. Now there's a sweet scene
with it, Yeah, with Daniel and Betty in the in
the bathroom, and.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
This is the real I think this this episode is
now really really establishing this rapport and this friendship, this
burgeoning friendship between the two of them, Like I think
that I don't know, like especially in this scene, I'm
just kind of like, oh, Daniel like is like has
her back, yeah, you know, or he's learning how to
have her, learning how to do you know what I mean,

(48:57):
because even in the conference room he's like asking, he
doesn't really really ride for her, but he is kind
of like stop, like now it's becoming too much, right,
And it's just like he's learning how to be her friend,
and he's learning that he wants to be her friend,
which I think is really sweet. And she's not going
to the lunch. She says, take a man, Take Amanda.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Then we see Willie being ditched by the senator. We
find out that that's the dad.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Well that the senator comes in and is like, you're
just a creative director still, and she has all of
her accolades out and then he just like walks out
of the room and she just goes with him, like
you know.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Forlorn, devastated.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
I mean, that's the thing about Vanessa Williams. I mean,
just a look, it just and it says everything it
needs to say.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
She doesn't need line. She didn't need anything. You just knew,
I mean, just she's so she's really God, I guess
she's so amazing.

Speaker 8 (49:51):
So now at the restaurant, we're at Madison, Madison six Madison,
We're at Madison whatever.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
Whatever she's try. Does your dad do for a living
investment banker? Well that was his dream if you ever
got out of the barrio, the barrier, and everyone's just
like and then and then so obviously, you know, Vincent
Bianki is like not clearly not fooled. He keeps he

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keeps like pressuring Amanda to answer these questions. And then
Daniel once again is just having these these realizations that
he's gonna just be a good guy essentially, like you know,
like because I don't know, I feel like in watching
the first especially in the first episode, for example, like
in the pilot, you know, you're you're setting up that
this guy is going to be like a thorn in

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Betty's side, not be a good.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
Like just not be a good guy just like and
so or be sort of like two dimensional. And I
love that. Yes, we gave everybody so like some real,
real depth.

Speaker 7 (50:58):
And and just it comes out of these little you know,
these little things that again to.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Your credit the casting, Like I think that these actors
in particular just could just with a look or with
a sigh or with it whatever.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
It was really just embody that emotion and convey it,
you know. And it was so exciting to watch that.
And you're right, I think Eric did a beautiful time.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Yeah really really I did.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Wait, I did miss the scene where where where Betty
is is telling She's like, I gotta go and give
this this thing to to Daniel.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
He left it.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Mark's like, I'll take it. And she's like, oh yeah,
I am from Queen's I will hit you.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
Yes, yes, I wrote that down to.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
That she you know.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
And and also like we're establishing that, Betty's like, you
know what, I need to buck up too, Like I'm
not I cannot be walked all over like this.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
No, And she's so cute.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
There's that moment she comes in and she comes into
her and her entrance again with this thing is she
just she sees him, she sees vincentiank and she's just
like and and Eric is like, he really wants to
meet you. This is beat as far as and her
smile and just her certain like her mannerisms, the way
she pushed up her glasses and like gets him, and you.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Know she's just oh, she just America just is so
incredible in this in this part, in this role.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
And it's just those little nuances that like really just
break my heart and at the same time like make
it sing and like.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Every all of the emotions all of different.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
When she's standing at the hostess stand and the maitre
d says, you know, he's saying you can't come in,
and she's saying, but he's right there, he's right there.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
You know, let me just give it to just right there. Yeah,
sorry that sorry that she's bothering you, or she says
that she's.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
With you, and she grabs a match book for you
come on that way.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
And and they they get they get Vincent Beyond because
of Betty because she has period and that.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Save the and I guess you know moral of the story.

Speaker 4 (53:03):
Comes in to tell Daniel, and Betty's at her desk, yes,
and he says, you know, he hits his intercom. Do
you know what an intercom is?

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Don't be nasty just because I didn't know what is?

Speaker 4 (53:18):
He says, you know, send any you know, send an
email telling everybody that is doing the yeah, the shoot.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
She says, shut up, so cute, so cute.

Speaker 4 (53:27):
I want to just.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Like she said, oh yes, Daniel, Yeah she does that
like in real life all the time.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
She's just like shut up, yeah, and like and that
she was just so happy to like see him win too,
Like that he now gets this kind of some semblance
of approval like from his dad, like.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Yeah, it was nice.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
Yeah, she did all of it.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
And then Willie throws a huge temperatentrum, Mark takes away
the beautiful flowers like he's just used to her sort
of throwing these time for tantrums, and then we go home.
I loved those jeans that I was wearing, those white jeans.
I think those actually I think that was my friend moment.

Speaker 7 (54:09):
I think so EDWARDO, I meaningly.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
And I loved the like Hilda Betty in the Ignacia
moment of like you know, Hilda's at the fridge and
Agnacya's like that's my girl, and he'll just like, well, yeah,
of course.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
And then you know, Betty gives Hill to her flowers
and they all like I just thought.

Speaker 4 (54:38):
That was And then she goes and dances with Justin
and then we come out of the window. That shot
coming out of the window. Oh my god, Chilter day.
I remembered the widow that it was the sweetness of
being able to pull out Hilda and it Nausio dancing

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and the two of you doing dance revolution.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
And I just believed it. I believed every second one.

Speaker 4 (55:07):
Everybody fell in love.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
It was so I remember the day.

Speaker 4 (55:13):
I think that that was the I think we were
three episodes in when we got nominated for the Globe
and I think we may have sent in the pilot
and that episode for consideration.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
No kidding, I think so. I think that is. That
is great.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
You guys were on the air for three weeks. Wow,
life changed as we knew it.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
That's one.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Well the Hollywood Forum Press got something right.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
And Mark is still a queen for a day, every
day queen every day.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
Yeah, all right, well that is the episode, episode three. Terry,
thank you so much for coming on and giving us
all the real tea.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
I'm so welcome and I every time we come in
to do these I love you guys so much. I
can't I want to take my skin off. And the
fact that we get to do this every week and
share it.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
It's just.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Get to walk back through and thinking to hear all
the backgrounds.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
I know, I mean like we're learning stuff about the show.

Speaker 4 (56:20):
It's also reminding me of all these things, those moments
and it's so wonderful.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Yeah, Okay, Marky, before we wrap and all of you guys,
before we wrap up, we just want to take a

(56:48):
moment to answer a few questions and also read a
few comments that you guys have been sending into us.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
It means so much.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
You've been so generous and we're just so so, so
very excited about your reception to the pods.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
Yeah, I mean, thank you so much for listening, and
we love you guys so much, and all of your questions,
no matter what they are, are welcome, and if you
have any other questions, you can send them in to
the Instagram at Viva Betty Podcast and you can also
email us at Viva bettypodatgmail dot com. And Mark is
going to read a really sweet comment.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
Yeah, it's it is not a question, but a really
like lovely comment and we just thought that it was
very sweet. It's from at its Eric Appleseed. Honestly, I
can't even tell you how much love and profound personal
change Betty is brought to my life. It's truly from
the deepest part of my heart. What's never talked about
is how compassionate and sensitive the show was about mental

(57:44):
health and the beautiful messiness of being human. They authentically
allowed these characters to completely mess up, to forgive with grace,
and to ultimately just exist. That alone has given me
such a gift, the profound understanding that we are all
beautifully complex and nuanced and we are absolutely allowed to
be ourselves. Watching Betty figure herself out, navigating her identity,

(58:06):
her relationships, and her constant desire to be a genuinely
good person, it's been a true comforting mirror to my
own self growth. Her incredible strength isn't some sugary, sweet fantasy.
It is a deeply felt, realistic, positive outlook that I
fucking love. The writing is perfection. The attention to detail
meant to give every single character, oh, I'm sorry. The

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attention to detail meant that every single character received an
arc of immense and organic development, all of them truly
growing into the people they were meant to be. And
all of that beautiful growth radiated outward from Betty's commitment
to living authentically. I watch the show almost every day
like a warm hug when life feels dark, when I
struggle to accept who I am, or when hope seems lost,

(58:51):
I always always find my way back to Betty. Every
day I ask myself, what would Betty do?

Speaker 1 (58:56):
Oh my god, I love that. Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
I actually was listening to that, like, yeah, it's well,
I think that it's it's interesting. Well, first of all,
thank you so much for your comment, and that means
the world to us. But I do feel that it's
kind of what we're talking about it on the exactly
what we're you know, and and I think that I'm
having a very similar experience watching it for the first time. Yeah,

(59:25):
Like I'm having a very incredible experience doing that, like
to be like, wow, this makes me feel good, like
it's a it's a it's a show that makes you
feel good. And I just you know, while it was
not a question, we just thought it was really.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
We just wanted to read it because it was really
beautiful and I feel like.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
And extremely well written, by the way, I mean, it
was extremely well written.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
Now at waye Dot Kratsker has a question what got
y'all into podcasting about the show.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
They asked us, They asked us, we do this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
I can't even tell you the amount of times we're
hanging out. My husband always calls Mark and I table
for two. That's right, because we just get together and
just talk a lot of ship and so everybody has
always been like, you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
Should have a podcast. You guys should have a podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Yeah, and then for for I don't know, I think
maybe we we said it long. We said it, We
said it long enough until the great Terry Weinberg came
seemed like out of it seemed like it felt like
it being like, hey, we've been working on this and
we want you to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Do it and we were like done, Like yeah, bet
you know, we do this on our own anyway, So
but thank you for the question.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
It's honestly like what we do every day, so why
not do it?

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
Well? We also love spending time with with with one
another and any excuse to talk about, you know, the
experience that brought us together and.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
To reconnect with all of our old pals, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
And also, I mean, he's never watched the show, so
to me, I thought that's such a good hook, Like
he's never watched it and wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
It be fun to watch it with all of you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Yeah, so so our final question is from a very
long at so we're just calling them EA. Thank you
so much for your question.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
BA.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
Can we have an episode discussing the celebrity guests on
the show along with Mark and onnas experiences with the
many iconic people who have appeared. I mean, I would
love to do an episode discussing all of the like
like celebrity guest stars that we've had on the show.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
Yeah. I think as the episodes go, per episode, if
we had interaction with said guest star, we will be
spilling all the team. Yeah, I've got some really good one. Yeah,
there's I mean, yes, we are definitely going to be
doing that. Yeah, I mean fabulous guest stars.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
We also talked about like Debbie Maser, you know, like
I mean, that's that's a big celebrity.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Get I mean, and Martha Stewart.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Martha Stewart, But I don't I want.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
To save it because they were coming up on some
really really iconic ones, and so when we do the
episodes and they are on, we will be spilling all
the stories about how they were on set the belief.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
And next week. By the way, and speaking of celebrity,
I mean not a guest, well, guess on the pod.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
Guess on the pod?

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
Would you like to tell them?

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Na Williams?

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
Vanessa Williams is going to be on the pod.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Sorry, you guys, just only the most amazing human like
we we have so so, so much fun with her
every single time that she's such a bug out.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
She is incredible, the most generous woman I think in
the world. Literally, shirt off her back. I think that
she has actually given you a shirt off.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
One thousand percent.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
I told her I liked her jeans, and literally within
an hour, those genes were in my trailer.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
That's right, these are yours.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
So come back next week for episode four, Swag and
part one of our conversation with Vanessa. We love you
so much, Love you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Viva Betty is a production of Propagate Content in partnership
with Iheart's Mike the FUDA Podcast Network.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
We're your hosts On Ortiz and Marko Delo Pato.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Our executive producers are Terry Weinberg, Lin Lee and Diego Satia.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
Our senior producer is Emily Carr, and the show is
directed and edited by Mark Agom.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
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