S1E4 Swag + Vanessa Williams PT1

Mark and Ana are back again to go over all the details of Episode 4, Swag. They debate the merits of bachelorette parties, how to say "Hermes", and the art of making an entrance AND an exit - with an entrance from the queen herself, Vanessa Williams.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:13):
I'm just oh MG, so this has let me just
fix my.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Even people get to watch this, so I should be presentable.
Hello everyone, Hello everyone, Sorry you caught us fighting. Welcome
back to Viva Betty, a podcast about everything ugly Betty.
I'm Markt Delocado, I'm Anna Ortiz and we're super stoked.

(00:38):
Obviously to recap episode four. Swag which slag?

Speaker 3 (00:43):
What are my favorite things about this industry?

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Oh? Excuse me, it's excuse me. They don't do it
like they used to do.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Not fair.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
You used to go to the gifting suite, the.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
Gifting sweets, markans Alecado.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
I had so many pairs of seven g seventeens.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
The way I would bring things home like I was
like conquering.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
I would bring them home to Philadelphia for Christmas Redia
for for rappetizing family. Exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Wow, miss swag it.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
But hold on because it was brought to our attention
before we started recording that this being episode four was
actually episode eleven. That's correct if you watched it like
on the TV now as someone that is watching it
on streaming for this is episode time.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
If we need to remind you this is Marky's first time.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yes, if you have not listened to our previous episodes.
This is my first time. But yeah, apparently it is
now episode four on streaming, which it fit in perfectly.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
I didn't even know that until I was told that.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Correct. But before we start on it, I have to
know I no, I'm serious. I have to talk to
you about something.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Okay, tell.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
You picked me up today.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Well, you had a and you were about to start
talking about your trip to Miami, and I said, you
know what, Markey, save it. I don't even want to
know because the face that he was giving me, y'all,
if y'all could have seen it. I've known this man
for a long long time and there are many faces
that he has, but this one, I was like, hold on,

(02:20):
people need to hear this. And then he went on
to say that it was actually a PSA. So you
know what, everyone, You're welcome.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah, apparently, no, this is no this is going to
be helpful for women around the world. Okay, speak bachelorette parties,
Oh are only for women that get married young. I
am thirty one years old. I cannot handle my ani Wait.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Wait, wait, hold up, thirty one is not young.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
No, I'm talking if you get married. If you get
married twenty two to twenty five, Oh, twenty to twenty five,
that's when you're allowed to have a bachelor at that party,
saying no, okay, twenty five plus us kind of a
little bit dicey. Once you turn thirty, no bachelor.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Okn't wait what I disagree?

Speaker 2 (03:07):
You have no idea? What happened to me?

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Okay, well speak on it, because I had my bachelor
party at like thirty spies.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Well, what did you do? Go to a sound bath?
What did you do? Do a meditation retreat? Knock it off? No?

Speaker 1 (03:21):
I went to Vegas, bro and we were almost.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Said bitch by the way I did? I was? You
almost said bitch? I did?

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Oh that's right.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
We went off on my bachelor.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
You were too young. You could not go.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
I was twelve years old.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
But it was fabulous and it was.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Sponsored ew ew.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
So I didn't pay a time.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
You were a corporate pig from the ji.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
I was all day long. You know who sponsored it?

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Absolute vodka.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
It was a liquor though, hypnodic ew that'sh you know
what hypnot sponsor?

Speaker 2 (04:08):
I mean, what do you mean?

Speaker 1 (04:10):
They gave us a party bus. They gave us sweets.
They gave us a night out on the town.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
By the way, Hypnotic doesn't exist anymore because the year
was two thousand and seven.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
How dare you?

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Probably the year that we're going to? Miami in general
is a really big feat going on a bachelorette trip.
There are themed outfits.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Oh, we didn't do that.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
There are Oh the first night all blue.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
No, we didn't do that.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
What like, luckily I had it? Oh second night all colorful?

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Wait, they didn't tell you this ahead of time, No
they did.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
It's just I think that it's fucking annoying. Then just
have to go.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
To Miami's we land. No offense Miami.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
I love Miami, but I love Miami. But guess we're
in rainy season land and it's a thunderstorm. So I'm like,
and it's supposed to rain the entire time?

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Did it?

Speaker 5 (05:06):
Well?

Speaker 1 (05:06):
I did get a picture of you on a yacht,
so I did.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
We did get on the yacht. We got lucky on
the yacht.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
But let me tell you, Harry, did we not get
a picture from a yacht?

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yes we did.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yes, I did send it to the I did send
it to the Viva Betty group chat. Just to prove
that I was there and uh not in studio recording
this very podcast. But then the drinking, okay, the no,
it's for anna, okay, the bounce back.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Oh well, you're you're you're getting old.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
We were there for three days. I slept for ten
hours total.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Oh yeah, because.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
You can't sleep when you drink tequila all night.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
No tequila is an upper Tequila for me is either
the best night ever or I'm.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Going to jail or jail yep, or I'm going to jail.
And luckily I didn't go to Miami Dade County jail. Well,
that would have been a night well I was wearing
all Prada, so it would have been a real mess.
But the way that I think that.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
The Miami Dade uniforms are Prada, but go ahead.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Okay, you wish. But the way that this connects to
this episode is that because I had been drinking for
probably twenty four hours.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
So you drink, I'm embarrassed, shall go?

Speaker 2 (06:24):
I did go to Prada.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
And he's wearing the shirt right.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Line purchase three things. I'm wearing the shirt because I
knew I was going to tell this story. And by
the way, it looks very much like Justin and literally
going I'm dressed like Justin Suarez.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
You are doing such cosplay right now.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Exactly, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
That was intentional commitment.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
But I came home my fiance David, he goes, oh
you went shopping.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
He was pissed, Ye, don't the same size.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
He can wear everything, that's girl math. I was like, yeah,
you can wear the sh us and the show too
for one babe, exactly. Anyway, you don't go to Miami
on a girl's trip bachelorette over the age of thirty.
I'm sorry, Okay, fine.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
Maybe not Miami, But can I just tell you one
thing about my bachelorette party.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
You went to Vegas. That's even worse.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
It is worse. It's way worse.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
But when I tell you, Kevin Sussman, who plays Walter
on the show, came along.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
And when I tell you that Kevin Sussman, what was.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
So And Kevin, I love you.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
So much, friend of the pod, friend of the pod
so much.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
That and I cannot wait to have him on and
he will back up this story.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
But we we went so it was a co ed.
It was a co ed but so my husband was
with was with and he had his little friends, not
his little friends. Nice.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
He had his little friends.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
And then of course I had like all my friends.
So he had like maybe two people and I and
my friends and Kevin. We were after the so we
went to taw that was all. Everything was camped. It
was so fabulous, went on a trip.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
It was really the OG influencer.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
It was so fun and I looked cute.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
I was wearing a fake pony like with hair.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
In the TV show with real hair. Oh, it was
a human unit. It was a human clip, that's correct.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
And Kevin, so we all we have a fabulous dinner
and then we're all like, let's go to a strip club.
That's what you do here, right we go. Kevin couldn't
get in because he didn't have his ID, but he
pulled out what Costco card. He was like, I have

(08:49):
my Costco card.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
And I was like, honestly, did it work? Yes?

Speaker 1 (08:53):
It did that by the way, the wouldn't work now.
But twenty years ago we lived in Bliz when when.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Bounce two thousand and seven was a great year when
bouncers bush years.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
You know, how dare you? You always got to bring
it down. But Kevin got into a strip club with
his Costco cards and.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
That is king shit.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Correct, that is king shit. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
And by the way, on that note, I honestly think
that we should move into the episode because we.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Can't hear im last.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
You can't SASO card for the strip club.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
But I just wanted to say my bachelor party over
thirty was absolutely excellent.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Okay, Well, I'm just saying that I can't bounce back,
and I'm still You're lucky that I'm here with clothes
on it all. You're lucky that I'm here.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Okay, swag my loves. First of all, we open up,
and I want to say, like, for me, one of
the highlights of the entire episode is Becky Newton in
short shorts. Oh, I want to talk about it because
she looked dope af and I would literally if I
was Becky, I would have a full poster of me

(10:08):
in that outfit because she looked standing.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
She looked amazing, sick.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
I think also she was in like beast mode, so
she's in short she's running sin shields, yeah, and like
her hair's crazy yeah, because she was the last in line, right, that's.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
What you're cleaning out the closet, and they do it
four times a year at the magazine, which again another
thing that only exists in two thousand and seven that
just surely does not happen.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
Just Freebee couture, the dream of it all.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
But you know, all the divas are running to like
get you know, in line, to get their favorite thing.
And yeah, Becky like runs down, looks.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Stunning, ridiculous, so good like highlight for me. Then we
we meet Oh.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
She right, we like, well, we see Wilhelmina like she's
kind of you know, she's she's plotting.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Can I just say so? We have the brilliant, amazing
English actress what's her name, Lucy Lucy Davis as the
fashion TV host. Oh yes, I just love her so much.
I love her whole vibe. I love everything about it.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
He does it for a while too. She did come
in because I just remember I only remember like Alec
Mapa doing it because he's but you know.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
But I guess by the way you guys are so
excited to have Alec Mapa coming. Oh, but Lucy comes
on and she's just she's just so iconic and fabulous.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
And like, I just like everything she always looks like
she's just like and just like everything just seems like,
oh my god.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
She's also so British and also like all of you
idiot amaze.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Ye you guys are and I hate my job. I
love so much English.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Okay, so then we get mentioned of Henry that he's
coming in. Oh, so you guys, I I forgive me
for this. We're sort of gonna like, this is gonna
be the recaps might be.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
A little mayhemish because.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
For me, yeah, and when they get their paychecks it
was hilarious.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
I think one of my favorite lines is what the fight?

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean I just feel like these recaps
are not going to be like obviously, as you can
probably tell from the last few episodes, Yeah, beat By, you're.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Gonna tell you like the stuff that we're just vibing,
and so Amanda's legs, yeah, and Betty's what.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
The Betty's what the Vika. Also Michael Yury once again
just doing the most incredible physical comedy just and.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah, and like just his eyeballs, just his face.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
No that I mean that I would consider to be
like physical great. I mean just he is so perfect.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
And so many I mean, and.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
It's not just because we love him so much, but
like as a person. It's just he fucking kills it.
And I think that like he wants that Gucci bag.
And by the way, we were having a conversation before
we started recording, and everyone here said that they would
not want that Gucci bag.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
That's not true, you, I said, I didn't want the.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
You didn't want the Gucci bag bag? Oh she didn't know. Well, yeah,
well she wanted the birth hair Maize.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
It was not Markie and Lados.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
We're going to get there. We're going to get there. Okay.
I love the Gucci bag. These bags, these two thousand
and seven bags are making a very huge comeback divas.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Not my not my bag as it were. Okay, anyway,
I will say though, the fact that she called it
a pocket.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Book, that's my that's my grandma. That's lynnon Delacato.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
That is me.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Wait, where's my pocketbook?

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Where's my pocketbook?

Speaker 2 (14:00):
By the way, pocket book? No it where's my pocketbook?

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Pocket?

Speaker 3 (14:05):
Well that's Lynn right, But she said pocket book.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
I know. But I'm saying, in my experience, are we
fighting about that?

Speaker 1 (14:13):
I tell you when I tell you that, I told
my daughter, I was like, do we have to get
you a new knapsack for a nap?

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Okay, are you from the naps like little house.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
On the prairie, furious naps?

Speaker 2 (14:26):
My daughter, There's no way.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
I've never said it again, trust and believe.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Did you say it before?

Speaker 5 (14:32):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (14:32):
I did. I grew up saying.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Knapsack, knapsack, knapsack? Did you grow up on the planes
in the dust bowls.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
And in the eighties? M f.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Are you like not trying to curse?

Speaker 1 (14:50):
For some reason?

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Everyone knows you anyway, this is what we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Say though, derailing a derailing, derailing. But in the the
the creamy, creamy suit on Willie was was pretty.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
With a little It was good. I liked the height
of the hair.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
At this point in the episode, this is good.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
It only gets worse and then, but it was good.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
There's a lot of like camis, she's a big on
like a cameo.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yeah, it was, it was good. It was good. It
was It was like it was like a worse version
of the versace that she wore in the pilot. Let's
just put that way.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
So here we go, we're on the elevator.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
I did no but I wait, wait, wait, I want
to talk about how the Gucci purse like reminds Betty
of her mom, which is really sweet because we yeah,
and we get back to it, like later in the
episode about that she gave it to Betty instead of Hilda.
She was upset and like, and I I just want
to mention that because I thought that was a really

(15:52):
sweet and it's and I think that Christina says something
saying like fashion, I have that. What does she say?

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Fashion? Well, Mark says that I wrote it.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Mark says fashion is currency and you are clearly in debt,
which I also thought was very funny. But Christina says
something so hard for us.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
We'll get to it. I'll get to it.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
But I just feel like, yeah, what Christina says about
the purse really made me feel so nice about the
way that Betty felt about it, because it wasn't about
that it was Gucci, which is why all of the
other mode people were pining for it because it was Gucci.
It was because it reminded her of her mother. And

(16:38):
I thought that that was a really lovely way to
describe the ways in which fashion can, like I don't know,
be quite nostalgic.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
And that's right, ye. Fashion is I think the most nostalgic.
I mean, I think everything we go to we're always returning.
How many times do I say to you Mark, when
you were wearing something, I'm like, oh, well I wore
that in nineteen ninety whatever. It is, especially with Pabloma,
my daughter, She's always sort of like bringing back all
these fashions that she thinks she's intested and we had

(17:08):
to quickly remind her.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Well, I mean, and I thought that the I mean,
the relationship between Christina and Betty also is so highlighted
in this episode. It always is because Christina is like
Betty's ride or die, her only kind of confidant. And
in the show period really until you know, until later on,

(17:31):
but in this season especially, and I just love that
that Christina just she just like loves Betty and she
just gets it.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
She gets Betty from Jump and they get each other right.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
And I think that Christina is also happy to have
like a friend.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
That says she can make fun of, which comes in later,
which is also I think some of my favorite lines
of the episode for sure.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
I mean, and also they are some of my favorite
lines because they are uttered by I mean, there's no
world in which Ashley Jensen is not funny, riveting and like,
just I want to hang out me too, you know
what I mean? Everyone wants to be Christina's best friend.
Let's just be for real like Betty got lucky. And

(18:14):
this is also in speaking of best friends.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Yes, speak on it.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
I and I'll preface this by saying, Michael Hurry and
Becky Newton incredible human beings family forever, two of our
close friends. I and and again, just to remind the listeners,
I am watching this for the first time. I've never
seen these but I fucking hate them.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
I love to hate them.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
I okay, I love to hate Mark. I hate Amanda.
I don't know like. But the thing is is that
I'm so confused because I'm like, I love Becky, which
obviously means that she's doing like a fantastic job, giving
a fantastic performance. But I hate Amanda. But I need
to see when do we get Do we get like

(19:01):
a redeem I.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Think, oh, yeah, a lot, But I think we I
think a we get a lot.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
But I even think we see it when she's and
we'll get to it. But when she is really begging
for that bag and she comes through and she does
all these funny things. There's something about the way that
Becky Newton can deliver a vicious line that to me,
and maybe it's because I'm Latin, I don't know, but

(19:27):
when she says it, and I think it's the way
Betty receives it, it's just there is the way that
Becky is able to do that. There is like this
endearing quality to it because she really thinks like this
is the one, like, Oh, she's gonna she's gonna like this.

(19:47):
I think you know the character.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
I mean no, now I can kind.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Of like I mean in the elevator when the woman
is like, it's so wand Bell does and she's like,
do you have a monkey or whatever?

Speaker 2 (20:00):
She yeah, a mule? Does a mule come with it?

Speaker 1 (20:03):
I mean, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
But the thing is is that, like I think that
the whole bit is that you're supposed like she's supposed
to be this kind of adversary, like that she's doing
her job correctly and doing it well. The fact that
I'm like, she's beautiful, but I fucking hate.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Her, but I want to murder.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
No, Like I hate her, but she looks beautiful.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
She does and she's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Then we get to the home scene. You're adorable. You
literally are wearing this shirt.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
I'm wearing this in blue.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
So why are you wearing the same shirt every episode?
Because I think you're wearing a blue striped shirt.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
We don't have a lot of money.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Okay, so last episode, last episode, like you're always wearing
a blue striped shirt. Okay, that's your jam.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
It was purple last episode.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
I think lavender.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
No, it was more of a plumb so I like,
you have a ponytail, and I thought.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
It was a good It still looked like fake horse hair,
but it was better placed and I liked like.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
The high it slips back. There could have been more volume.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Fair, but it was better. I thought it was better.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
It was better.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Your face, I want to punch you. It was it
was it was better.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
It was better that it was better. I'm telling you,
I'm giving you a horse hair. But it was so
much better. It wasn't a shiny and I liked the
slicked back of it all. I like that hole which
becomes like I feel like, becomes like a held.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
But that was later. This is also I liked. I'm
ordering white men and I don't want to hear anything
about it.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
The way that the volume. I had the volume like
at a normal when I was watching it this morning.
I had the volume at a normal like place. Every
time that you are on screen.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
You give the poor sound.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Guy, I have to turn it down. You are yeah ling,
what do I do with my children? Know? No, I
know how you are in real life.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
This is how I speak. This was this was art
imitating life.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
But you know what I wanted to talk about too
that I think that, like just on a more like
serious note before we cut up a little bit more,
is that the running theme of access to healthcare and
socioeconomic status. I think that you know, the whole bit
of you know, the HMO not paying for Ignacio's medication

(22:51):
and you know Hilla having that conversation with Betty being
like we need to cut back.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
But also the disparity of these people sort of like
we're scrimping and saving and working hard and doing everything
by the rules and playing and doing everything right and
bottom of the barrels, and these people are spending twenty
five dollars twenty five thousand dollars on quote unquote props
and miscellaneous. Right, So it's that it's that like who

(23:15):
gets to decide what is waste? Who gets to decide what?
You know?

Speaker 5 (23:20):
Like?

Speaker 2 (23:20):
And I think that, you know what, what what is
so disheartening I think about watching it and seeing that
that still is so devastating, is that that disparity has
only grown larger. That's correct, but I'd only gotten worse.
It happened, and you would think that, like, you know,
twenty years on, that we could have maybe as like
a people or a nation, maybe made things a little

(23:44):
bit better. Oh we could have, Well we could, but
we didn't. But you know what.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
It's also I think what's so interesting about about our
show and about.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
About art in.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
General, I guess, is that we were able to get
that message across.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
It wasn't finger wagging.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
It was still funny, it was still charming, it was
still really delivered in a way that was palatable that
I think is missing now. I think. So, I just
want to give props up to you know, the writers
and everybody on the show, because it was said and
it wasn't like we're you know, it wasn't us taxa rich,
it wasn't us sort of being angry. It's like this

(24:22):
is the reality, and this is their reality, and we're
putting it out there and like, this is for you
guys to decide, right, this is for the public to decide,
like is this fair? You know?

Speaker 3 (24:31):
And I think you know that's where.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
We were at that point, and changes were made, and
you know.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Well there a sense of civility and attract the ways
in which we could disagree with you.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Sure, But I but I love art for that sake,
and I love and appreciate our show so much for
being able to do that. And I hope that you
know that that's something that can that can happen more.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
But and anyway, I think.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
We were we say this every episode two, but I
feel like that we were somehow allowed to like be political,
right like, because I mean, and maybe at the time,
I don't really I don't really reall. I don't necessarily
know if it was as politicized as it wasn't like
healthcare was politicized in the way that it is now.

(25:16):
I don't recall, but like just to look like to
be watching it now, it's like that is such a
political statement, correct, And I wonder.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
That's actually a good question. I wonder if if anybody's
watching and you watch that scene and you watched how
the family was talking about, you know, because Hill got pissed, like,
oh she could spend twenty five thousand dollars, but you're
getting this blah blah blah, and like would you be
watching that scene now? And like have any other thoughts
food for thought? Let us know what you guys think.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
I really I'm curious about that because I really don't
like because I was so young, I don't really remember.
I wasn't up. But in the moment, it wasn't tuned
into well like in the moment.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
It wasn't that. It just was sort of you could
you could talk about reality and not have it be
this polarizing thing. It just it's just is there for
discussion and there for sort of like we're putting it
to you and and we're showing you a family that's real.
We're showing you a family that's really going through this,
and we're showing you the other side of it that
is doing this thing, and like, what do you guys think?

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Anyway, I want to do you know who I want
to talk about right now. I would like to talk
about meeting Chris Worum.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Okay, well wait, we have a little bit of what
we go into the pharmacy where Walter because I only
wanted to say, we go into the pharmacy, Walter is
stalking Betty and Betty no.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
That's after.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
We meet Henry, before we heard of Henry.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Now is Walter gives this and see this.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
He gives her the remote. She didn't sell the.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Goes no, this is she goes into the pharmacy and
we meet Maria or.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
I thought that it was the second time.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
I'm sorry, and she's no. She's like, I don't need
any more batteries.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Thank you yo. He's like, no, it's a universal.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Remote, so and yeah right, and he's.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
We only have one TV. Also, he's in the.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Pharmacy and he's and she's like, what are you doing here?
She goes, you don't have a feminine itch, which was hilarious.
But I will say, did you know that the brilliant, beautiful,
gorgeous actress who was the pharmacist.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
Was the woman I tested against for Hilda.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
No really, yeah, gorge like loved her and she was hilarious.
She could have give Gina Gambar Darlena amazing anyway, and
she was really hilarious and funny in this episode. Mean me, Well,
she got a Gucci Yeah, okay, So then we have

(27:49):
the secret meeting with mister me blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
Then we go what's next.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
You know what? Oh this is wait, but before we
go on and skip ahead, skip through it. I just
think that at this point, after having Terry on last
episode to talk about this masked lady, Yes, murder mystery,
whatever we're doing with this. Every time it's just like

(28:14):
the weird phone calls, I'm just like, wait, what show
is this? Wait? Hold on? I was like wait a second.
I was like I was just watching like America, like
crawling on the floor and like Mark like hitting her
with a thing and an elevator Like, I was like,
what is this secret call from a woman in it?

Speaker 3 (28:32):
Look like she's.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
In an aquarium. It's an aquarium.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
It's an aquarium.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
She's in an underground bunker, Like where what is? It's
so incongruous, but honestly love it's so camp anyway, so camp.
I just I have to say it's so camp because
I'm like, who, like what is and why have you
had those bandages on for so long? You need to
have them replace and let the skin breathe.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Well, guess what I've never had a facelift, but I
would too.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Right, you have to let the skin breathe.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
He knows, I mean after irmatologists four facelifts.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Okay, lower.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
When I tell you we went to America's fortieth birthday party.
This is a little side note. Yeah, we went to
her and we shared a room and Mark whips out.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
First of all, there was another bedroom for him, but no.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
First of all, it was a bunk bed with like
it was like a hammock. So I said, no, I'm
going to sleep in the bed with you.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
So he's left in the bed with me and he
whips out. He's like, I got it from Korea. I did,
and it was like a face hammock. Which now kim
Kay is making a bundle off.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
By the way, still use it, still loving it. Look
at the material.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Well, I have a picture. If you're lucky. Maybe I
was strapped.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
We were. We were also intoxicated. We might have been,
let's just put it that way. We were, okay, the
altitude is very high, and we went to that crazy
art place that was drinking.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
We have fun. Yeah, period, America knows how to throw
a birthday par that's right.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Okay, So anyway, anyway, so now you gotta let the
skin breathe. Well, for this entire podcast, you gotta let
the skin breathe.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
You do the.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Math, You do the math.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Okay, I liked I liked Willie's hair in this. I
like the high hair with the low bun.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Is this when this is when the hair starts running.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
This is when.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
This is when the hair starts getting crazy.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Like this as well? I like that. I didn't.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
I didn't love the outfit. It was like a little
bolero with like a mini peplam, but the peplam didn't
even go to her waist and the mammy was hanging out.
I literally have met literally in my notes. E h men,
I can't believe you and I are the same person.
So Daniel needs to pay for the coffee again. With
the mystery woman scheming closet chaos, I loved. And I

(31:07):
have to say Mark's outfit I loved.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
I know see that this is the thing I think
that I think Mark Mark Mark is dressed. Michael dressed
this whole episode. He just no. But it makes and
and also though I think that in every episode I've
seen thus far, it makes perfect sense. Like I feel
like everyone else is fine, Like they're finding like what

(31:34):
they look like and like what the vibe is. I
feel like Mark from Jump from Pilot. It was like
realized and totally like because I don't know, I've seen
four episodes, it's been the same vibe and it just
makes sense.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
But it's it's also not boring, like it's really exciting.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
I love the ascot, the champagne ascot.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
Oh well, we'll get it into his monochromatic look later,
but that I loved. But this I thought, Yeah, I
think wins hands down.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
This this episode for for Top Fashions. Oh, no question,
it's Mark.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
We see we meet Henry, Okay, the immediate chemistry between.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Them, and they really did. I don't think that Chris
gorm could not have chemistry with someone true. And also, yeah,
he should run. This has happened multiple times in my life.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Around should be a politician. I would vote for him.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
I would vote for him down.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
Literally, he should be president of the universe.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
President of the world. We'll talk about our hostel takeover
in a different bonus episodes, but this has happened multiple
times with many a men that have been on Ugly
Betty or in proximity too. That were part of my

(33:00):
gay awakening. And I'm going to name them right now. Uh,
Ryan America's husband, Yeah, Noah, your husband, and Chris Goreham correct,
those were the three.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
I get it. And by the way, your fiance kind
of is a little bit of just about to say
that now that you've said.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
That, like, David looks just like it's giving Henry vibes.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Fully.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
I was literally just about to say. I was like,
I'm gonna marry Henry.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Oh you fully are marrying Henry.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Could you believe that? Like down to the glasses, they
wear the same glasses I know, and the hair it's
it's the same Jesus a little sweater. Oh my god,
so cute.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
I can't believe you're marrying Henry.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
I'm marrying Henry and the amazing and and.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
They're talking about she steals bigel but.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
We're talking about, you know, finance ship.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Well, but will you start to get into the whole,
like something's wrong with the expenses. But then.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
But then when he turns around and she sees him
for the first time, it was like, no, for real,
it was That's how I felt like. I literally gasped.
I was like, oh my god.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
One hundred, Okay, she likes him.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
The next like a couple of things is about Daniel
spending like it's Bradford me.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
It is like it's it's leaning into like NEPO trust
fund baby time.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Bradford says, don't tell Daniel. So so now Betty has
a secret that she has to keep from Daniel, which
was interesting.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
So I was exhausted watching her do all these errands.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Poor thing. So but mister Meet's mad about and so
Daniel's on his own, he's broke. I also, just on
a little fashion side note, I thought Betty was not giving.
Betty was not giving Betty in this Betty was giving Dowdy.
It wasn't like it wasn't like her usual like quirky weirdness.
It was just kind of like brown sweater, brown skirt,

(35:04):
brown shoes, like it just wasn't giving like the quirk
that I needed from the Betty love.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
To be honest, I don't really pay that much attention
to Betty's looks unless they stand out to me interesting
as being good.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Well I am, but this is again in fairness, this
is your first time.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Watching, right, But that's what I'm saying that in the
four episodes i've seen. I feel like, I don't know,
really attention to her looks unless I'm like, oh, that's cool, okay,
because I think that there's not there's like in terms
of her dressing like quote unquote ugly. No, it's but
there are some such like really interesting look for sure.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Well that's what I meant this was.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
But I agree with you. I don't there was not
a standout to me.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Its dowdy.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
So then we see, well.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
I'm going to say it everything just a moment of silence.
I don't care. I'm going to say it every episode.
I don't care.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
It gets better.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Sorry, Sorry to the poor hairstylist that did this. I
don't want to make you set. I think the wigs,
the Wiga trist I don't know, but I don't want
to upset you. But this is it's.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Bad, okay. So Christina and Betty. So Christina gives Betty.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Oh yeah, she hides it from Mark because Mark wants to.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Gucci, right, and but Christina is so right or dies,
she gives it to Betty. It's a really sweet scene.
We get to see Christina again being amazing. I loved
going Home. I remember shooting that scene, do you? Yes?
I remember first of all you like you were actually

(36:37):
genuinely excited, like you just yes, yes, you were like
genuinely actually excited about what just first of all about
like the swag of it all, because I think that
was like, you know, like starting to happen a little bit,
but also like the burbery bells.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Do you know that I had that? And no, you
don't know I have it. You don't I have it.
It's at my parents house.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
We're real excited about it, like you were actually stoked
about it. I think maybe that's.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Why it was the first designer item that I ever owned.
That right, that's right? Well, but I didn't know what
burbery was and I pronounced as wrong.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
Hair maize haze hair.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
And I would also like to say that my Philly accent,
like I it's it is so delicious. What happened to it? Though?

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Well we do not have it? Do you think when
you get.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Mad so often? No, the burbery belt, I still have it.
It does not fit.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
It, would it fit my son? You should give it to.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
I'm not giving it to Raffie. He doesn't care about that.
He wants to play like what is he dungeons and dragons.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
No, I wish he would no FIFA.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Yes, yeah, there it is whatever. Anyway, that was the
first designer item that I ever had, and as I
think that a lot of my memories on this show
have been being told how to pronounce things. Oh yeah,
and I don't know what episodes they are, but I

(38:14):
just have very distinct memories of reading the like the
sides and being like.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Huh, I think a lot of us were to be fair,
but that was really funny. And then when even will
Hilda because you were like, it's hair maize, and I
was like I knew that. I knew that even though
she had no clue. But can I just say, can
I give a little bit of a flower moment to
my two our gorgeous Tony Planna because when he said

(38:41):
sweat is Ignescio swat?

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Yeah, he's It's just how earnest of a character and
just and it never gets old too, because it's like
a it's kind of like a breath of fresh air.
It's like a it's like a I'm just like, okay, good,
Ignostia was talking, We're actually gonna have some joy and we're.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Going to be okay, and like Betty's gonna be okay.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Oh my god, we're gonna be okay.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
First, okay, we're gonna like Tony comes on screen and
I feel like, you know what, you guys, we're gonna
be fine.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
Yeah, everything's gonna be fine.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
The rest of the episode, I'm on edge.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
I'm on edge. But when Tony comes on and they
have a very sweet moment and his face and he
takes that last pill, right, he's like because she's like,
I can't pay for your meds. Even that like comes
to all this joy and she's like, I can't pay
for your meds. And he just looks at her and
he pops that last pill and he gives her a
shrug and you're like it's heartbreaking and love it. It's

(39:38):
just everything and there's only one man on earth that
could do it.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
And it's Tony really is true and it's so and
it's so, it's it's it's just it's not forced, it's
not it's not put on. Because also, by the way,
like for all of you to understand, like that is
who Tony is as a person, like Ignacio, he wasn't
in a certain capacity, like is the essence of you

(40:05):
know what the most and I just yeah. But then
so then we go back and Daniel.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Stillbro also well, I just have to say this was
this was the we get and see the elevator for
a quick second and Mark spears about the bag. But
this was Mark's monochromatic moment where he's all in this
like gorgeous.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Favorite look of the whole episode had like champagne ascot.
It was it was a It was a good best
look of the episode Mark, hands down.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Oh she did come in with a lot of cream.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Can we talk about oh she for a second?

Speaker 3 (40:52):
I know you have something to say.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
No, No, I have a question. Okay, is this problematic?

Speaker 3 (40:58):
Well, that's that's my quest.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
I mean, no, he is the actor. They do there,
there are a lot.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Of but Daniel does say, like there's some mimicking. I'm
talking about a leave it part of the podcast. I'm
not gonna do I'm not gonna do it. Okay, I'll
say no, don't don't say it like that. You want
to get this podcast canceled before we even get our
feet off the ground.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
It was like he imitated, oh she's accent and delivery.
That's like, oh, she's everywhere. But he said it in
like a very Japanese quote unquote Japanese. Yeah, accent not great.
And but I did love the way everybody said champagna.
Didn't we say champagna? I think for the.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Next cha year, No, because that was something that it
was in the script. But back in the day when
me and my mom were living at the oak Wood,
we would drive past that one liquor store and it
said champagne. And I was like, Mom, how do you
pronounce that champag night? And then she told you that,
and then you you in America would always be like champagne.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Which rains champagne, but they did always say champagne.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Okay, But I love that and I and I felt
like the uh, you know, oh, she's obviously giving very
like you know, minimal Calvin Klein vibes like and I.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Actually liked the whole like Japanese intimidating sort of crew.
I've actually really enjoyed that. Yeah, that that I love.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
But I want to ask the listeners, let's ask do
you think that like that is a leave it or
do you think that it's something that like stands the
test of time for sure in terms of representation.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Well, because we didn't say any We we talked about
about the accent with them, but again, her accent was
was just some crazy bananas accent.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
She wasn't yeah, Fabia.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
She wasn't imitating.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
She was so she was from europea like it was
like it.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
Was unknown, okay, fair, So this is this is I'm.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Curious, you know, like I I really wanna I want to,
like really like how far can we go? Like what
do we leave?

Speaker 1 (43:11):
What do we leave? Okay?

Speaker 3 (43:12):
That's so Christina comes in, she tells Okay. So she's telling.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Betty. She's like, people cheat, you know, I'm going into
like sort of also the themes of the the show,
right and like sort of Betty learning that, like people
aren't always honest, and like it's okay, and so Amanda's
bargaining for the bag. And one of my favorite lines
of Christina's is like.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
Please, she's in Queens.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
If she wanted to, if she wanted to hear fat
Italians sing, she can open her.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Wind and go throw up your salary sticks. I love that.
Keep it.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
I say keep it.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
I say keep if you want to hear fat Italian
Swiss singing.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
That's just the reality of the situation.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
And we can't all live on laxatives.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
That was really love Christina really like has she she's
got some bangers.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
She can drop you.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
With what she's got some bangers.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
But I will say Amanda calling her seamstress.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Oh no, I'm sorry. That was in my notes. We
need to speak about this delivery, Okay. I loved it.
It was it was. It was actually my favorite line
of the episode, Becky Newton delivering that line. Hi, Betty, seamstress, seamstress.
I I kind of fell out, like I'm dead ass.

(44:35):
I laughed out loud.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Yes, so did.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
I like the fall, but I laughed out loud. Favorite
favorite line of the episode, Favorite delivery of the episode,
hands down. That's it.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
By the way, I cannot argue with you on that.
I love the Italians, but I think you're right.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
No, but I just because because it was so short
and it was so concise.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
That's if you can do that in one line exactly
one word, not even one line.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
That's one word, right, that's she said, seamstress, and I
fell out of my chair.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Like the brilliance of Jesus.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
So Betty, we see Betty trading her back.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Well, she she knows what it's worth, and she trades
it in to uh Hilda number two h for his medicine,
and she gets it.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
She gets the Okay, So I will say about my outfit.
I liked it. It looks cheap, but it was cute.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
I litd it. Hated the little jean skirt with the
from the torso up beautiful, those tights underneath that goddamn
jean skirt. Don't do that. And I know that it
was two thousand and seven.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
I get it. No, I get it, it was two
thousand and seven.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
I live.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
But what I'm not going to do is sit here
and say that it was a cute outfit. I can't.
I can in good conscience. These people trust us, they're
looking at us.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
Thank you. You're right.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
I have to come down to earth sometimes.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
And by the way, I will say, here's here would
be an addendum to it. If it was a sheer,
black tight, forgivable, an opaque black tight. Don't do that.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
You're gonna make me. Don't do that, Okay, I will say.
And this goes to one of our our I think
one of our themes today was that scene between America
and I. It was so beautiful. It was everything.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
What a performance too.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
She's so heartbreaking and real.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
I cried, I cried to you, And you've never seen it.
I know I've never seen it. I've seen when she
said I finally felt pretty.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
Say this talk about this girl.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
No, I fell out because that's what her mom our.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Mom yes, that she knew it would make me feel pretty.
I cannot that.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
I mean it just and that's and.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
The mother knew enough that I didn't necessarily need that.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Right, you didn't need that boost of confidence. And I
just think that that is also just a testament to
you know, when you go home to the Suarez house
and you and that's that's where the heart is, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Like that, that.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Moment is just and and it's and it's not an
extremely long scene at all. It's actually quite short, but
it speaks like volumes, you know.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
And also that's America bringing all the everything to just
a few short moments where she can just she just
and Betty between America and Betty and that like that,
whatever that magic was in that moment, she spoke for
so many of us and it was just beautiful and
I just had to say it.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Bless that was amazing and it was a really and
I and I loved how you were. Also there was
this it kind of gave the big sister vibe too,
of her crying and you just being very like stoic
is the wrong word, but not kind of like breaking
down with her about talking about your like your mother

(48:21):
and stuff like just being strong for her. And also
that that must have been quite like a I don't know,
implicitly like a realization for Hilda about what that bag
meant to Betty. You know that I don't think that
she necessarily knew that.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
I don't think and I don't even think before we
even just talked about it. I think you're right though,
you know.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
And that was so and that was sweet, and then
we like transition away.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
I just have to say, there is this After that,
there's Amanda again begging for the bag on the street
and another one. Amanda had the lines for me when
she said, fine, a Manula box set and a coopa
for one hundred seconds, people, I literally, first of all,
manual reference to me is so fucking brilliant, because fuck everybody,

(49:06):
fucking Manula was the first like fuck Backstreet boys and
fuck your new kids on the block and fuck all
y'all ship it was fucking it was manual.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
And they're like a million members though, don't they don't
They funnel in and out?

Speaker 1 (49:24):
They did well.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
I don't think that they exist anymore.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Of course they don't, but neither do Backstreet boys or
nu kids on the block.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Excuse me, boys are playing at the.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Cats anyway, Ricky Martin was a was a Manula member Manulo? No,
and they probably all got it was it was. It
was fraught.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
All I'm saying is.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
As a young Puerto Rican girl growing up, manula just
to hear very niche.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
That you like.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
But I just wanted to wanted to say I love
a Manula reference and not the food the group. Okay,
So then bet because there is like Mexicans have some
kind of a Manula. No, for real, I was tripe.
It's gross.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Have you never had?

Speaker 1 (50:08):
No, I don't need chitlins, I don't need Manulo. I
don't need any of that.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Oh I think tripe is quite good. No, thank you anyway, continue.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
On knowing what did the Italians call it?

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Tripe?

Speaker 1 (50:19):
So Ben Betty goes in. Betty inquires about the money. Oh,
I thought Betty's green dress was very cute. In this
really cute dress. I loved it. Who knew that Betty
could speak Portuguese? Love that?

Speaker 2 (50:32):
And also and then so so Betty, Like then then
they find out that the the the expensive for the
props and extras.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
Okay, here's a lie.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
Here's a leave it or keep it? When did catwalk
become fat walk?

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Keep it?

Speaker 1 (50:59):
Yes? Keep it.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
I mean it's represented by the way, and I only
say keep it because it's representative of what the fashion
industry still is though, I mean the fashion industry still
is like that, Okay, name on your name, like more
than ten plus size mod real plus size. I couldn't.
I can name like maybe two.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
I can name the one right, the one her, what's her?

Speaker 2 (51:23):
N Ashley?

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Yeah, something or other? And Paloma Baaloma.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
That's the trans model?

Speaker 2 (51:29):
No is she?

Speaker 3 (51:31):
There is a trans model called Baaloma?

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Well, anyway, it doesn't matter. All that I'm saying is
that it's still representative of the fashion industry, and I
think that it should stay.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
I loved Mark's all black again, like Mark just wins
hands out.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
All but also, you know what she so unfair because
Uri has like the body of a literal model. He's like,
he's like, especially in these years, just like straight up
and down like and tall, gorge aular.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Not like Willie's gold dress and her hair is the badness.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Why did we put her in a Marie Antoinette way?

Speaker 1 (52:09):
It needed to stop? So then, oh but I did
when Mark when Bradford so, then blah blah blah fashion show,
la la la. So then Bradford comes in, Wait the
moment this it's there's not a line. So y'all if
you're not watching, you're missing out. But Mark's face when
Bradford So, Mark is standing there between Vanessa and Bradford,

(52:30):
and Bradford says, oh the way, we need to talk
about the the Rio trip and Mark's face, his eyes.
Michael Ury is so flipping brilliant in this.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
I mean he's a brilliant everything.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
But whatever, And also, did you notice like Henry and
Betty sort of cheesing at each other and smiling at
each other.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
We also have to talk about the America Farrah physical
comedy walking down the runway. Oh her crawling, falling and crawling? Yo?

Speaker 1 (53:00):
That where are these shows? Like we were?

Speaker 2 (53:02):
But you know what's so funny? I didn't think that
our show. I didn't really recognize that our show because
it wasn't like a cut and dry of course, like
slapstick comedy a type of show. But there are these
moments where I was like, oh my god, we had
it all. That's so funny and.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
That it's possible to do that. I don't understand why,
more sense like it was everything was.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Sure then, but you're right.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
So then so then wait, I will say, off of
the BBL, off of Vanessa's.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
So then it's exposed that she spent the money on
a BBL. Now, let me tell you something right now,
Ugly Betty has made a lot of history's we were
ahead of our time and a lot of.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Because I din't even called the BBL, a.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Lot of big ways. Guess what the original the first
time that America heard about the BBL. No, girl, there's
no question it was we invented the BBL.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
Thank you. You're welcome to all.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
I mean, I'm like, you're.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
Welcome, Larsa, we gave it to you. Oh my god,
if you know you know, But I will say I
loved the Vanessa Williams. For all of the praise that
we are heaping upon Becky, noton which is well deserved.
One line, stop looking at it when she made it.

(54:25):
I mean, if anybody can make an entrance and an exit,
it is Vanessa Williams, and everybody should bow down and
study it. It should be a class taught at Juilliard how.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
To make an entrance and how to make an exit.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
You can be taught at like a liberal arts school.
They can have a whole seminary should.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Be taught because Vanessa Williams, hands down, she knows how
to walk into a room, and god damn it, she
knows how to walk out of her room.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
You're looking at her when she's walking in, and you're
looking at her when she's walking out.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
That's right, and now now booze okay, So then so
to this.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
And by the way, that once again, if we're talking
about how Tony Plana essentially is like the like Ignosi,
the essence of like Tony Plana, Yes, Vanessa Williams Wilhelmina
Slater walking into the room is exactly what you feel
when Vanessa Williams walks into a room, even when you've

(55:16):
known her for hundred years and you're friends with her
and everything.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
And she will literally give you the shirt literally.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Literally off her back. I think that she had before.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
She's literally literally given me the clothes off of her body.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
But even when you even when you know you're in
and you're fine and you're safe, and.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
She likes you.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Dead, get in formation line, Get into the receiving line.
Get into the receiving line. The monarch has.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
Entered the buildings, we go to the food situations.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
So they go. So so yeah, Daniel takes oh she
to White Castle, and you know, I he appreciates the
you know, but he.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Didn't have to go to Jersey for white Castle.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
We could have gone to fucking the Bronx. But that's okay.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
We love Jersey, but it is white Tassel and not white.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Castle, all right anyway, sorry as in New York.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
I just say there are white castles in New York.
But I'm just saying, okay.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
So then they go to the White Castle. He loves
the minimalist white design, giving he's inspired. It's a huge success.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
They talk about the secret again with the mass woman,
and now Betty has to keep a secret from mister me.
That okay.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
So then they go home.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
Walter is lurking, sweet hug mystery woman. Oh I will
say I liked Willie's gold trench in that last scene.
I loved it.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
That was good.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
I thought that was good. And then we end with Mark,
with Mark not even knowing that the Gucci was a
knockoff after all his posturing, Mark does not know that
it's a knockoff, and Betty.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Gets everything she wants.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Okay, So talk's future favor.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
What do you think is the overlying theme today?

Speaker 2 (57:13):
I want to get this right because I wrote it down. Okay,
I think I think the theme for me is like
feeling pretty and important and the ways in which feeling
and by pretty I mean I'm referencing the scene between
Hilda and Betty where that bag made her feel. She

(57:33):
said I felt pretty for once. Right, that that feeling
pretty yields feeling important. And also all of the modis
going to the closet scrambling and like literally trying to
kill each other for these for these items, for these
things that don't matter that will be out of season

(57:55):
next year, and they're going to want something new that
that's a It's a status, symo, I suppose is what
I'm what I'm saying when I when I say important,
like it's a status.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
But for Betty, status is less important than I think
for feeling pretty in that moment, because I don't think
that's something that she I don't think that.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
She cared about the fact that it was a Gucci bag, right,
I think I think she cared about the fact that
it reminded her of something that her mother gave her
that made her feel pretty, and her mother made her
feel pretty.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
And I think you're right in that. I also think
I think what Terry was saying too. I think like
that the greed of it all, like everybody, yeah, like
hoarding and greeting and the sort of like the getting one.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Up well consumerism I mean, yeah, yes, yes, I mean
and also I mean and we and we exist once again.
Part of the legacy of the of of of this
show in this episode especially is consumerism, swag babe, late
late stage capitalism.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
So we want to hear what you think. A, what
do you think about bachelorettes having parties after twenty five.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
You guys, not seriously and I really think that.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
You should think ageist And B what did you think
about this beautiful episode?

Speaker 3 (59:19):
Yale?

Speaker 1 (59:20):
Ready nobody's even ready for it.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
I didn't even know I knew that we could get
her because she's our friend, but I didn't know if
we were would be actually able to snag her.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
However, here's a straight from London town.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
It's Vanessa William, Vanessa fucking It's Vanessa fucking William.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
Hi, mommy, Hello Darling, Hello Darling. We have so much
to talk about. First of all, Hi, how are you?

Speaker 2 (59:55):
We haven't seen you.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
How's the show going? Show's going right?

Speaker 5 (01:00:00):
Loving living over here and yeah, just just doing eight
shows a week Sundays my days off, but like exploring
the exploring London. I've been over here for like a
year and a half and I'm totally loving it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
I mean, do you even want to ever come back?
Because I feel like if I worked in London, I
might not want to come back.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (01:00:19):
I'm pretty I with everything going on right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Yeah, this is a great thing.

Speaker 5 (01:00:27):
And my kids love it too. They're all like, is
a a two beds? And they're like, is the other
room available?

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Can I come in here?

Speaker 5 (01:00:35):
You got it?

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
So they're all coming over to visit.

Speaker 5 (01:00:39):
Yeah, my my my grandson came over last week Souray.
Then Melanie came in two days after that, so she's
here jumping to Portugal, coming back and then Dema comes.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
So it's been fantastic And just.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
For everyone that doesn't know if you're living under a rock,
Vanessa is playing Miranda Priestley in the Devil Wars product
on West End, and if you are in London or
anywhere around you should probably go see it. It's far
away from Los Angeles, that's the issue. If I was
in New York, I would have been there. I would

(01:01:12):
have been asking you for your too bad exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
We might actually still do that. I've heard that London
audiences are a lot tamer than they are here. Have
you found that to be true, That they're just they
love the shows, but they're just a lot less sort
of effusive in the moment. Do you find that to
be true.

Speaker 5 (01:01:34):
Yeah, they're they're respectful and they're patient and yeah, but
then we can always tell when we get Americans in
the house because they're raucous and they laugh loudly, and
they also laugh at all of the jokes that are American.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Jokes as well.

Speaker 5 (01:01:51):
So at our Monday nights for some reason at Bonkers,
I guess there's only a few shows that are actually
you know, some Mondays are usually dark, but we are
dark on Sundays. Oh so ourday nights, like people are
like theater goers and ready to enjoy. So just came
up a raucous Monday night.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Are you bringing the show to Are you bringing the
show to the States?

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Do you think? I don't. I have no idea we have.

Speaker 5 (01:02:21):
I know it's not coming next year twenty twenty six. Okay,
So and I don't know what I'll be doing in
twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
Conquering the world other than that the ugly reboot.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Well, that's right, you'll be.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Doing I mean that is that? I mean, come on, Vanessa.
So we've had Ben Silverman on the pod and we
literally were like, are we doing a limited series? And
he as we were talking to him on the pod,
he was literally texting Disney in the moment of like
getting it done. So just for all of you fans

(01:02:54):
out there, if you want to like coller at them
and tell them you want the reboot, let's get it going.
Because he's super into it, and I know we all are.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
And we've all and we've asked every single person that
we've had on about if they would do it, knowing
the answer implicitly, but you know, we just wanted to.
We just want it on tape.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
We wanted, we want.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
We need a receipt.

Speaker 5 (01:03:19):
But okay, see the show like springtime or so and yeah,
so I mean she she's down.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
I know she's down. Beaudith Game, who else, Rebecca remain came.
I mean, do you guys see how much of a
family we are, we.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
Really still are.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
We're all.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
Even though like not and I know that you feel
this way.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
V Like, just just.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Even if we don't talk for for an extended amount
of time, I receive a birthday text with a lovely
emoji from Vanessa Williams every single year. That's right, even
if I don't, you know, even if we're not the
facetiming that's and everything. You know, it's like we're we're
all such good friends. And I think part of us

(01:04:09):
doing this podcast is also just talking about the ways
in which we established like a community of people and
how rare I think for our listeners and watchers, how
rare that actually is to achieve.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
Right that that Vanessa will you will always I always
get a text. I have a very crossword friendly name,
so like Vanessa will always be.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Like bitch you were in the crossrooms. But the what
does what does in the spirit of that, what does
the kind of family, if you will, of Ugly Betty
mean to you?

Speaker 5 (01:04:48):
So we were so unique, not only that we all
got along and truly love each other, but the talent level,
that's right, but every buddy we we could play I
mean in terms of actings and scenes, throw each other, comedy, trauma,

(01:05:09):
and everyone was at a level where they could take
it and make it better, throw it back, and that
is really rare. I think our talent, we had respect
for each other, We loved working with each other, We
loved the material that we were getting, so we didn't
have to like compromise. We just worked our asses up.

(01:05:29):
The hours that we worked.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
I gotcha insane, we did. Yeah, And I have to say,
that's such a testament to you because you were so
iconic coming into it, and I think, in fact, that's
one of the questions I wanted to ask you, But
I just have to say, like, you know, for me,
when you first walked in, I think we were all
just like, oh my god, it's Vanessa Williams and you

(01:05:51):
were so okay. When I say shirt off her back.
I literally once complimented you on air.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
On a pair of jeans.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
I was like, I love those jeans and you were like,
oh and you literally walked me into your trailer, took
them off your actual body, said try them on.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
I did.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
I was like they fit. The next day there were
like four pairs of those jeans in my trailer, like
literally close off her body. She'll give you so jeans just.

Speaker 5 (01:06:24):
Come out and they sat me some wide leg really cool.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
They were dope.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
I still have that. They're so good.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
But we were talking about like just generosity from the cast,
and I think that like generosity and spirit, generosity in talent,
generosity in like just space. And I think that while
you are such a you're such a big presence ye
be and like and and I think that like like

(01:06:53):
in the ways in which I feel that I was
always like a little bit scared of you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
A little bit we got to know, yeah, right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
But that's what I'm saying, until until it was like,
oh wait, this is because you're so good at playing
Wilhelmina and that's exactly what we want to talk to
you about. Because I feel like until I got to
know you, I was like, oh my god, this is
Wilhelmina Slater.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
Okay, well I actually v I actually have so for
those of you who don't know, and we can talk
about this Vanessa. We did the first table read in
New York with this other actress who was supposed to
be Wilhelmina, and she sort of whispered her way through.
She sort of whispered her way through the table read,
and it was a nightmare. And we were all like
not to mention the fact that I got into the

(01:07:39):
transpo van on the way to the table read, and
the transport guys were like, you're working with huh, oh god,
good luck whatever. Then we get to the table read,
she whispered her way through the whole thing. The next
thing you know, she was no longer on the show,
nowhere to be found, nowhere to be found. And then
you walk in like what was what?

Speaker 5 (01:07:59):
So?

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Yeah, how did how did it happen for you? Because
I don't know this story. I only know one day
it was this person, the next day it was who
you you know, this magnificent presence, and it was like, oh,
this is right and this is amazing. What was it
like for you? Well?

Speaker 5 (01:08:15):
I remember back in the day when uh, there was
actually pilot season.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
More like, yeah, so it was pilot season.

Speaker 5 (01:08:25):
My father had just died in January.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
We were grieving out of the blue.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
We were grieving really hard, and I was like, I
don't want to do anything.

Speaker 5 (01:08:34):
And I gotten the inquiry about, like, there's this thing
they want you to read for, and I was like,
I'm going to Egypt. I'm going to a wedding. I'm
biting my family there. We're going on the Nile.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
If they can catch me on the.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
Nile, fine, but you know, catch me on the nile.
That's my next catchphrase, by the way, catch catch me
on the Nile. Bitch me, catch me on the Nile.
Go ahead. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:09:04):
So they cast and uh, and then I got the
call after I guess after the table read.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
I was like, they want you to start tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (01:09:17):
You've got you know, you've got a costume fitting in
the truck, in the truck with pad feels the next day,
and luckily, I like fit into all the clothes that
they already pulled for the other actress and then I started.
So it was kind of I pushed it away, but
it just kind of it was meant to be, and
it came.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
Back Okay, you guys, we had to stop, but fear not.
We have the entire interview with the Duves, Vanessa Williams,
the Goddess, the Icon.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Next week, you guys are next week the entire extended interview.
You're gonna love it. We dish, We're talking Devil Wears
Prada on the West End, We're talking wigs, We're talking relationships.

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
Were actors like get into it and also.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
Just she's just so cool.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
She's just so cool.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
Listen, come back next week. You're You're not gonna You're
not gonna regret.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
Alley Ready, Love you guys. Bye. Viva Betty is a
production of Propagate Content in partnership with Iheart's Mike Usuda
podcast Network.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
We are your hosts An Ortiz and Mark and Delocado.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
Our executive producers are Terry Weinberg, Lin Lee and Diego Katia.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
Our senior producer is Emily Carr, and the show is
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Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
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