S1E5 Fey's Sleigh Ride

Ana and Mark come back from their bougie vacations (in Aspen and Montecito, respectively) to catch up and discuss Episode 5 - Fey’s Sleigh Ride. The Fat Carol Renaissance, the correct pronunciation of Manolo Blahnik, and Mark’s very real experience growing up and finding himself in front of the camera - it’s all here. Plus, they finish things off with another round of your burning questions!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hello, me Henday. How's everybody doing.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
I'm great. How are you?

Speaker 1 (00:19):
I'm so good. I'm actually really good. I just got
back from Aspen. I was at the Rasao Festival.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Oh, you just got back from as.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Sorry we brought brown to the town.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Well, I just got back from Montecito whatever.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Oh so you did have a little romantic get away
with your man's Yeah. For David's birthday. He stayed in
the Jackie Oh sweet.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
The Jackie Oh Sweet at Sandy Seagro Ranch. It was very,
very sweet.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
It was delightful. I've done nothing but look at pictures
and be jealous.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Well, I was picking lemons off of a tree. And
this is the thing I understand now when people say
touch grass, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Very very exclusive grass that you are attaching, I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Well, it was terf but.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Don't tell them that.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
That's not no, no excuse me. The lemons were real.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Everything is real. It was beautiful. You suck.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
The chef's the chef's Gordon Gordon.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
They were picking your lettuce for you, salad.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
I swear to god. I woke up at seven o'clock
in the morning. What I walked out into the chef's
garden when the gardeners were there, Who are you? And
I was I was looking at art of chokes. Marvelous.
I cried in from an art.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
You cried from an artichoke.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
No, I cried in front of an art to choke
because it was Have you.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Ever seen one in the wild before? No?

Speaker 2 (01:49):
And then I found one. They are beautiful, the blossoming,
the purple of it all. Who knew? I was incensed.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Now he wants to grow a garden. By the way,
they just moved, he and his fiance and now he's like,
this is where our vegetable garden will be.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, yeah, so I'm growing shows.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
So you guys will be hearing a lot.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Those are plants, my love their plant. That's a flower.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
It's a flower. There were bees the.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Purple and we stayed in the Jasmine.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Cottage, well or the Jackieo Cottage.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Well, of course, but it was called the Jasmine Cottage.
And you walk outside and there is jasmine all atlantic.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Excuse me, I'm surprised you didn't get pregnant.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
We don't know. I don't know. By the way, that's
not what this is for. We don't need to talk
about that. There was there was a hot tub private.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
I mean, that's that's sweet. Was so beautiful that bungalow
I should say, because it was sorry, it did look
actually beautiful. And happy birthday to our sweet, sweet sweet David.
He makes us better, he does I include us and everything.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
But so what have you been doing?

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Well? I told you I went to AskMen for this
incredible Latin festival like of arts and amazing, Like I
met Paula Ramos, who's just this incredible journalist. She's absolutely amazing.
She's you know and by the way, huge Ugly Betty fan.
Really no, I'm not even kidding, no way, Like I

(03:35):
was blown away because I met her and I was
so star trek. First of all, she's stunningly beautiful, and
I was just like I met her and I was like,
I'm like stuttering and I don't even know and and
she she was very polite and she's very kind. And
then we met later on in the evening and she
was like, I just have to tell you, I didn't
even realize who you were when I was talking to you,

(03:57):
but you're my favorite character on Ugly Betty, Like.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Ugly bet is my favorite show.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yes, And so it just was so incredible and she's
a lot younger than I maybe she's around your age.
But that being said, she was a huge ugly Betty fan,
and she loved Hilda.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah, I mean, well Ilda is I mean, Hilda's my
favorite character.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yes, I know, no, I'm kidding, but she was really exciting.
It was exciting to me. It was really exciting to
be around a bunch of Latin, you know people, especially
right now, it's just a very exciting time and like
joy is our revolution and we're going through a lot
of hard stuff and we were all united in this

(04:45):
one sort of you know. It just was really wonderful
to be around the Kumunidad and to be in this
place where we sort of were like regrouping and Maria,
you know, Hosa was there. It was just really exciting,
and it was really beautiful. Aspen is one of the
most beautiful places I've never been on.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Unreal blue my mind, unreal. Like I said, this summer
we should go, and we should we should go in
the winter.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
I don't do that.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
I don't do that. Well, you could go with you
could in the lodge whatever, drink a hot toddy and
wait for us to get off the mountain. Skiing but no,
but but but but in all seriousness, I think that
it's it's a really incredible exercise, like for us to
just kind of leave like wherever we are and have

(05:36):
some semblance of reprieve. I think that like even David
and I just go into Montecito, you going to Aspen
like this, and that like just just having some semblance
of reprieve from the ship show that is in which.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
That we are living in. Yeah, and I think, especially
as Latinos right now, it was really powerful and really beautiful. Yes,
and as always as folks, our revolution is our joy is,
our community is our sort of unity, and so it
was really nice to be among that. That's what I'm
gonna say about that.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
And I'm and I'm so grateful that you got to
have that. Thank you, to be honest, thank you. But
but yeah, so so here we are right. This is
Viva Betty, Hi Viva, and I'm Mark and that's honor.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
How you doing? This is a great episode, by the way,
Phase Slave fla Fase sleigh Ride.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah, we love this episode.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Actually yeah, very justin heavy, very just how did you
feel about it?

Speaker 2 (06:37):
I I was gonna wear a sweater vest I was gonna.
I was gonna recreate the outfit because I have it.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
It's one hundred degrees here.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
But it's it's just it's it's simply too hot, y'all.
And if you're just listening and not watching, then what
the fuck am I doing?

Speaker 1 (06:58):
He does, well, you know what, there's time. There's plenty
of time for you and your sweater bests. Yeah, we'll
get into it.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
I want David to wear them anyway.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
So we open up. I will have to say, though
Amanda looks fab I love this red dress, love right.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Love it. But she looks fab this whole episode. I
was going to say, like I'm jumping forward, but like
for like my best fashion moments, Amanda down.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Down, down booth, and I will say, we've been dogging
a lot of the hair, but that, by the way,
that's all her hair.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
No, I've never dogged her hair.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
No, but I'm the hair, not her hair, but the
hair in general. Husband.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
You know, one of my one of my notes was,
though I like Betty's wig today. That was when I'm reading.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
That, I'm no, those bangs are not working.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
But but could compare to what I've seen be fair enough?

Speaker 1 (08:01):
Fair enough? But we we open and we see Amanda
looking sickening, and I just had to say that that
was all giving very.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Like move glare like suited Manolo's on or Jimmy choose
or like whatever the fuck they were.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Mark looked great too.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
He did. I liked his the tie like the star,
but like it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Did you have the nextf Anna bow tie this this episode?

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yes, I'm skipping ahead.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
I know, thank you.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Sorry.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
So we see Betty's first time at this this sort
of like networking event, which I thought was hilarious because
it was all the assistants and they all network and
Mark and Amanda think that she's going to go in
there and just fail, and she's.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Actually super in killed it.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
She kills it. She's so endearing. But they like take
a picture of her falling right like they.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
I also love I love when they like flip their
phones up and it's a motorola raiser like that is
sickening and like and and also, by the way, networking networking.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Events, yes, do they have those anymore?

Speaker 2 (09:16):
No? Because they're social media. Well, Terry Terry are our
producer Terry Weinberg is saying that they do have.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
To, but it is true social media. Is I guess in.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
That that's your calling card, Like, that's your card.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
I prefer it. I'm much better in a social situation
if it's.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Me, I'm well, you don't know how to work Instagram,
so of course you're better in a social situation.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Exactly. Even with auditioning, Like, I hate that I have
to put myself on tape all the time.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
I'd love to you don't know how to work the
camera again, it.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Makes me, it makes me insane. I'm saying this to
everybody out there. I'm not the best. I'm best when
I'm in a room.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
I'm saying I'm the best, but I ain't the worst.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Okay, So just can we get back to in person audition?
Can that be a thing? Can I put that out
there right now?

Speaker 2 (10:04):
I don't subscribe to that. I like doing seven hundred takes.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
No, I'm best on my first or second take and
then like that's let's let's all go home.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
No, but also I but but but but also anyone
that's hiring, I can do it. You know, in one take,
I can do it.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
It's just what do you guys think? Are you?

Speaker 3 (10:25):
Do?

Speaker 2 (10:25):
You do?

Speaker 1 (10:26):
You would you prefer to do your socializing online or
do you want to see people in person. That's a
good question because I want to know. You know, I'm
an in person gout. I'm an in person goal. I'm
not get on the social but I'm trying to get better.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
I met David on the internet, this is true, but
you me know it in the in person.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Well, true, but it was a blind day ish.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
So it could have been Internet.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
It wouldn't have been, but it could.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
But I'm saying now like you could have like a
blind date is basically meeting on riyah or hinge.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Except I wouldn't know how to work any of that.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Well, I'm not saying that you did. I'm saying that
it's the kind of the same vibe.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
I guess anyway, I'm an in person girly. Let's just
leave it.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Well, eighteen years later, something's working.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Well.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
I love that they so they have this thing and
she's and she's a star, she's doing really well, and
I love that it just burns their biscuits and how
like charming and how everybody like really responds to her.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
And then the hot guy, well first from Isabella comes out.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
No, first we meet fat Carol.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Okay, I I have no no, no, no, no, I
have notes about fat Carol.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Because listeners, can we say, fat Carol? Is that something
that control?

Speaker 2 (11:41):
That was what That was the one thing that I talked.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
To me about it because I we're keeping that.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
We're keeping it.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
That's thank you, that's what I'm keeping it.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
That's fat Carol.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Fat Carol. I I like she was a stick.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
I like calling fat Carol.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
I loved it. I absolutely loved it. But like you know,
I just didn't know if that was something that we
leave or we keep. To me, it's to keep.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, we're keeping fat Carol.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Because I thought it was funny. And also she's not fat.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Clearly she's she's a four.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
She ate a grilled cheese, God forbid and.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
By ada grilled cheese. Okay, it was an order grilled cheese.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
I'd eat ten of those right now. I would fuck
that up right now.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
You know what. I'm starving to death.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yes I do. So we get to meet also hot
Carla Medina, Nicholas Gonzalez.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
He is dropping. Oh my dead god, he's so dead.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Where is he in my life? Why do I not
see more of him? Wait?

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Yeah? Where is he?

Speaker 1 (12:45):
He's everywhere?

Speaker 2 (12:46):
I mean No, he's like he's everywhere, but where is
he in this studio?

Speaker 1 (12:52):
We need to bring him in, need him this studio.
I'm going to do his harass him though, so he
probably won't.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Be like Okay, yeah he comes in here, I'll be like.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Do you work out? So?

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Like how often do you work?

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Can you show us your routine? We just want to see.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
I brought this pull up bar from my house.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Like how many setups do you do? I don't know,
Like just like do you want to your hair? Oh?

Speaker 2 (13:12):
I don't know how to do it?

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Can you lift this for me? Oh? My god? We
were just harazed.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Horrible, horrible, I mean so hot.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
So smoking, and by the way, really good and really.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
I mean really good and and also like a very
integral part of the episode.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
I agree, agree. I thought we were going to see
more of him, but we didn't.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
No, but but he did, like he did a couple right, No,
but he did like his job, like in terms of
like like the character, right, I'm not seeing as much
of him, but like it's the it's the catalyst for
what ends up happening.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
That's right. And we see him sort of like you know,
you know, souping up Eddie and like, you know, trying
to get the information. Okay, then we see this is
again you know me, I'm going to skip over all
the mystery stuff, but I will say I love Bradford
in that yellow button.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Down with I mean, but but Alan Dale looks good
in anything. I mean, I hate mystery woman and I know,
but we love.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
The he was wearing. Like, here's the question for you,
do we is a thing with it's like a yellow
like if a button down that these men wear with
the like white French cuff. Okay, good because I love that.
I loved it. So then we go they're discussing the
photo shoot post nuclear.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
And post apocalyptic.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Chris and Daniel's like they should show more skin, and
Wilhelmine is like, if they show more skin, it would
melt off their body. It's a nuclear fucking waistland exactly.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
And they're and they're showing like these these jackets from
this this design isn't.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
A yellow suit. It was decent. It was like a jacket.
It was like a tuxied, like a long jacket suit.
De sign fine yellow still in the camis well that
comes later and I'm upset about it.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
We'll talk about No, it's not in that one.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
No, this is just a it's like a button down
all the way down front was.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
I mean, the thing is is that she looks great
in those tones.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
There's nothing she doesn't look great in this exactly.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
That's that's what's hard. But you know it was fine.
It wasn't egregious. I was not upset about it.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
No, it was fine. It was fine.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
And the hair level it was fine. The poof level
it was good, was down, was was normal.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
So then we come to our house. It's Tomalie night,
and Walter's sitting there eating sweet Walter.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
I feel really bad for him right now. No, like
I feel like, are you simpiz well?

Speaker 1 (15:42):
But by the way, you're the same as the rest
of the Suarez, except for Betty, because we're all like
Walter comes for Tomali's that's what he does.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
By the way, I will say in this scene, I do,
in fact still like I do have that that shirt.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
You still have that shirt?

Speaker 2 (16:00):
No, not the exact shirt. I have a shirt that
looks exactly like it from the.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Gap art imitating life, But I love it. So like Betty,
you're gonna sit and you're gonna have dinner with Walter,
we didn't raise you to be rude. There was a
lot of this sort of like that's not who we are.
This whole episode. There's a theme that definitely rides through

(16:25):
of like this is not who we are. Yes, but
I did I did love the line of Walter being
incensed about Betty having a mango margarita.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
And he was like, you're drinking.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
You're drinking now. You used to get woozy from your astringent.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
I wrote that down deal I died, which, by the way,
I feel like that also lends itself to America for herself. Well,
she is a notorious I feel like, you know, she
has like half of.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
A glass notorious lightweight, which we love.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Either she's a lightweight or where alcohol was, because there's
got to be a middle ground.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
No.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
I loved I loved that, And I love that, like
I love Walter wanting to get her back, and I
and and I just like because he really does love
her and he knows that he fucked up.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
And I also love that he like he's so in in,
ingrained in the family, like he's so part of us
that it's like, well, Betty, you just have to deal
with it, whether you like it or not, Walter's here,
it's Tomorley night, and that's just what's happening.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
That's what we do. So in the same at that
same dinner, Justin hatches a plan essentially love and he
wants to go to Mode because he has because he
has he has something that he has to do for school.
Hilda not stoked.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
You know, I think it's so interesting because I remember
playing this, and I feel like it's sort of art
imitated life a little bit. In that lie. I was
I'm going to tell you as an actor, as like
Anna having little Mark go and do the Mode scenes.
I'm just telling you right now, I've probably never said
this to you before, but like I was a little

(18:11):
jelly really like for sure, I was.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Were you for real?

Speaker 1 (18:15):
I was like, I haven't like because you were mine,
you were my baby, and it was the Suarez thing
and like you were us and you going there like
it did sort of I remember it very distinctly, like
it did make me feel a certain type of way

(18:36):
that's crazy of having you go over there and you
had your whole life over there, and so I don't
think I've ever even really thought about it until now.
I mean definitely in the moment, I remember feeling a
type of way about it, but like watching it, I
was like I remember feeling like, oh, he's going to
be part of that, and like we're going to be

(18:57):
left behind, and yeah, I know, weird.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
Right, that's so well obviously stupid because you end up
going to mode a lot as.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
At like as a bull in a china shop because
you know exactly, but.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
But no, but that's but also I kind of love it.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
You're my baby.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
I like when I like when people are protected.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
I do, and je I was like jealous of them,
Like I was jealous of them getting you. I was
like you you you know, and protective for sure. But
I just it was interesting because I hild it definitely
was like it.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yeah she was. She was not jazz about it, definitely not.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
We go into the into the office, right, and we
find out that the idea has been stolen.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Well but but before that happens, we're in the elevator
and with with Justin and Betty and Mark and Amanda
go into the elevator and there and they're you know,
being nasty to uh to Betty as per huge and
uh and then She's like, this is my nephew Justin,

(20:24):
and I like my little yeah, and I like peek
my little head in this is oh my god, Manola
blonic two thousand and.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Four gay gay, and also Mark being like oh, and
the fact that they were too old.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
I would like I would like to to share with
everyone that I did not know how to pronounce Manola Blonik,
I said, Manola Blotnick, probably for like I don't know,
I don't know ten takes, and they were like blonnick
blnick blonnick. Please please, Philly, someone fucking give this help

(21:08):
me out, like it was giving that energy like please,
and I could feel from I remember shooting that scene
because I can remember everyone like our best friends this
and not but like Michael Becky America being like it right,

(21:28):
just say it, come.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
On, you could do it, but you can do this,
I remember, though, and I couldn't. I remember also decorating
that book bag you had, like we remember with like
oh yeah, I have a picture of us, like decorating
that silly book bag of yours. So you finally get it, right,
you finally get there.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
I end up saying blonnick.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
And Amanda's face when you call.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
It is so and when she turns her feet in.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
We we give, we give Michael all the flowers for
his facial but because he's absolutely barn On, that's the beast.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
But she and this is and this is really this
is the establishment. Though this episode is very much like
this is when we get the Mark and Amanda dynamic
really solidify, correct, right, like where it's just like and
and not just because of their talent, but just they

(22:26):
work so well off of each other, like similarly to
like me and you work so well off of each other. Yes, right,
that's why we're doing this. H here pod.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah. I will say that your look with the sweat,
I loved it. I love it.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
I was going to where I was. I have that look.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
I will say, though the vans of it all is
very la very, not New York. I love it. It
should have been a loafer, yeah, or just a different sneaker,
but I love that.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
It should have been a loafer.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
It looked amazing.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
I was going to wear it today, but it's one
hundred degrees it's and I can't.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
But you were wearing the you know, the checkered bands, which,
by the way, iconic. I'm obsessed. I love them. I
have a pair and.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah, of course, but it just wasn't a very.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
New York shoe.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
That's right. It is a very lash, very elation.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
But I love the look. Oh so then we walked
down the tube. Now we've had discussions of like how
the tube is decorated in every single episode. There was
a sort of recurring theme with this that I noticed
they had those sort of like.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Masks, So that was so that was this episode. They
were like the masks.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
There was an elevator as well, like the what are
the like the harlequin masks?

Speaker 4 (23:43):
Yes, exactly, not my favorite, not either neither here nor
there exactly. Like fine, right, so then we go back,
so we're in the office because.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
I will say about the tube like we're coming on
the heels of goldfish, live goldfish literal. I mean that's
like that's next lab bam.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah. So the Harlequin was sort of like.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Well, I mean they obviously had to be like, okay,
we just had live goldfish, all dead, all dead.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
In this next scene, Wilhelmine is wearing another yellow outfit
with the bells leave with the seat. That was fine
with it.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
I'm not necessary. I'm nostalgic for this outfit.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Okay, tell me why.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
I don't know exactly why, but I remember seeing her
in it.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Oh right, that was your first time at Modes right.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Like I remember seeing her in it and being like,
oh wow, Like that's the most beautiful woman that I've
ever seen. That's you know what I mean, Like like
the outfit itself in hindsight, but like, but but I
I have an affinity towards it just because I remember
her it. Like I was just like, whoa, yeah, and

(24:59):
she's so that is like, that is Vanessa Williams.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Now you get it?

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Like do you understand? And by the way, we said
on this in the first episode of the Spot that
we will be bringing up Lennon Delacatto my mother a lot.
But literally I was like, she's so pretty and my
mom was like, don't you get it? You get it? Now,
you get it. That's Vanessa Williams, that's Missa all right,

(25:27):
that's miss Amarica.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
I forget it.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
And I was like, oh, well, period, I get it now.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
So then we get into it, we see that we
find out that the idea was stolen.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
And everybody's has stolen the idea.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Betty's about to confess because Okay, so this is the
theme for the show's lying. Yes, Betty doesn't like to lie.
That's not how they we are, and it keeps coming
out not who we are, that's not who we are.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
But that's who Mark and Amanda are. Correct, But that's
not who Betty is, that's right. But I did love
the slap kick again. I mean, like Mark slaps her
hand down and Amanda kicks her under the.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Table, and also them being like, we're in this together,
and then they walk away hand in hand and leave
her behind.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
They're so genius again with the mystery and the music
box blah blah whatever. Then back to the office and
Willie's threatening everybody's life and you're gonna you're staying here
forever all just you say goodbye to your eyes. Wait, no,
Mark's things like you're because your your pets are going
to be dead, and Mark go's smoopy. How many times

(26:35):
did we say smoopy after that?

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Also also smoopy don't make me call really like, well
that was.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
That was the first time we learned of Mark's asthma.
Became don't make me.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
I am dead.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
So we're doing all of the sort of flashbacks, right,
So we're going like.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
And then my question, I have a question, why is
Amanda like in a meeting in the conference room. Isn't
she just like she's just like a receptionist.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
It's assistance. It's all the assistants. So I guess she's
technically considered an assistant because it was all that's like
every department went and then the assistants were last. And
the rack thing I think was basically for all the assistants,
aren't that meet and Greece, I'll accept it, but they
we go back and forth to all like the Amanda
telling her story and Mark telling his story and blah

(27:31):
blah blah.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
And I love and I love the way that it
all like came together, like where it like melded this
story together.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
And I loved Amanda's line of have you been smoking
one of your ponchos?

Speaker 2 (27:45):
By the way, keep it, oh, keep it a thousand percent,
keep it. That's called comedy.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Yes, don't get too side.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeah, and by the way, knock it off. The one
thing that I will leave is when they they they
bring her into the bathroom, right, okay, tell me that
Carol is throwing up?

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Oh yes, well, the believe mea we can leave it.
I think that we can leave it, the joking about it,
the like she was like, I had half a bagels.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
A bolliemic in retirement.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
I think that we can leave the believing, you know,
and I defer to you on this, so I'm going
to take it. But she did say she had half
a bagel, and it's like, would you even throw up?

Speaker 2 (28:25):
You can't even throw up a half a bagel? You can't.
I don't know until it's digestive. You tell me no,
you can't. But we do.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
We get more of the same. Betty doesn't want to lie,
but she does. She keeps the secret to fit in
because they're like and and this.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Is the thing, like I I love I do love
like Betty trying to ingratiate herself into the mode like community,
right like, even though the through line of the entire
episode is like, that's not who we are. That doesn't
come without trying to ingratiate, right like, you want to

(29:04):
fit in. Everyone wants to fit in. That's the human condition,
don't you think?

Speaker 1 (29:08):
I love that? Yes? Exactly that we see Ignacio and
Walter and uh Walter with the remote Ignasio snake Ghana.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Coffee, Halana drinking the coffee.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Dana also like, yeah, sneaking the coffee the remote. And
then also when when Walter's like he's giving him advice,
I go from my wife, I took a line from
I took a thing from the pretty woman, and you
know I did that. And so Walter's like, what do
you mean paid her? Keep it? Keep it, totally keep it.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
I mean anything that Kevin Susman does honestly, and again
like and and.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Also Walter says, you know, Betty's changed, and Ignacio throws
his paper down and he goes, Betty has news. She's
just a new surroundings. Betty is the same, That's right, right,
So like na soon even though later on he's like,
you might have to light to fit in, but he's
still you know, it's still.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
But I think that that's so lovely too about the
Suarez like house of like that despite all of the
changes in her surroundings, it's like and and maybe the
the I don't know the growing pains that we that
we all have, right, uh, we all know that it's

(30:27):
still her. Even though when Hilda like has her gripe,
like any gripe with Betty or like any discord, she
still knows that Betty is still Betty.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
We still no matter what, that she has not changed
exactly exactly. So then Willie and Daniel they're going to
work together, which is a really cool.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
And I loved this scene in the in the the elevator, yes,
where exactly she's trying to intimidate him, and this is
a time that we get to see Daniel be like
he's about to kind of retire from it, and he's
like you know what.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah, fuck you, and she and she's like, okay.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Formidable opponent. I loved it, and I love that, yes,
because I think that she also in that moment. I
think that again, Vanessa doesn't have to say one word.
You can tell what she's like, like what she's emoting
where it's like, oh I respect you, yes. Do I
dislike you, Yes, I do? But do I respect you? Yes? Yes,

(31:30):
I do.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
I know it.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
And I think that that's that's fierce and that's so
I love that.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
So then we come to you in the office.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
You were so enorm.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
I know, but the little was just the turtleneck and
the or is that the later scene.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
No, we're in the office, so I'm still in we're
not at the uh.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
And when he's like do you work and you're like
some day.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Yeah, some day gay gay, and then.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Okay, and then when when when they're the phone rings
and you're like, please let it be Narciso.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Rodriguez also gay that well, but that being the designer,
I mean, no shade to Narciso.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
But I mean this was two thousand and six, seven.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Seven, okay, well Narciso Rodriguez.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Well yeah, all right, you know, maybe he was giving
us clothes. We don't know, maybe there was, maybe that.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Was the sushi, was there was Narciso. Did we have
a deal with Narciso Rodriguez. No, we didn't. Okay, it
sounded good.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Sounded good. So then there's I love like the sort
of office frenzy sort of montage of you know, who's
getting fired, who's good. And then we get into the
Amanda eating of it all, which is which comes the stress.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Eating is for all of her for all four years,
like Chef's Kiss.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Yeah, and she's so brilliant at it.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
And also, by the way, watching that as like an actor,
where like you know, like when you have to eat
like that, it sucks because you have to do it
over and over, and she was like just like shoving
ship into her mouth, where I'm like, that is commitment.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Commitment, actress and brilliant and it's brilliant. I believe every second.
And that was the sort of thing. I did love
the line because they're like, who are we going to blame?
And you know, she was like those virtual those virgins and.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Accounting or so sluts and beauty sluts and beauty sluts
and beauty and the virgins and accounting.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
I loved our writers could do.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
And also when when they're like fat Carol Fat, Carol fat,
and it's like it's Amanda with like a mouthful movie
like Frat Crowd.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
But I love that. It was like a hold on
Betty to see if she was going to say it, and.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
And then and she's yeah, she went in I love that,
and I love it.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
So then we go down and we see you with
Ashley are actually Christine.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
I was literally about to say. I wrote in my
notes that that I actually don't recall shooting them shooting
that scene.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
When you told her to belt the Vintageallancy.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
I don't. I don't remember making that And and because
it's just she is such a gem like that scene.
It's not, of course, of course, because I'm not in,
but just being like the way that she just interacted
with me, I think that I recalled watching it being like,

(34:33):
oh I felt really comfortable around you.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Could tell, Yeah, you could tell.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
And that she was really supportive of me, like like
of trying to like help me win. Yeah, you know.
And I think that that's a through line for our show,
is like people setting each other up.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
To win, to win, to succeed. I love that, Mark,
you know. I love that I do. Okay, do we
keep them? Do we keep them? He would say when
Betty's like, I'll take him home, and she's like, no,
he can stay here. I've got some elves to fit
and little people make.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
I'm going to keep it and maybe maybe I don't know,
maybe I'll get flat for it. I feel uncomfortable. We
might get it a little.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
And so so you stay to get fitted for the
elf cost.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
So then I was by the way, you were a stick. Congratulations,
you were a fetus.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
I'm trying to get back there.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
So we see Betty and Bradford. He tells her about
the music box. Blah blah blah. Then Betty goes to
the office. She wants to confess, but Daniel says, you
can't because other way I lose you. I loved that.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
But also this episode is another deepening of the relationship
between Betty and Daniel because every subtle he said on
multiple in multiple scenes, I cannot lose you. It's us.
He got me like we're working together, we're a team. Yeah,
this and that, Like that's the energy.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Because even when they do the flashbacks of her at
the meat at the meat the rack thing, she wouldn't
throw Daniel on to the bus. She was like, no,
it was all his ideas.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
She didn't at all. And what I will also say,
the wig is looking a little bit better atop.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
Her head those bangs though I can't looking better?

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Fine, but are we there yet? No, but it's looking better.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
I did love Mark with the salad for Wilhelmina, how
he was like sucking up to about this out When
she went is that freeze? He was like no, and
then he just shoves the Persians.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
The physic once again Michael Ury doing physical comedy. Also
this entire episode just over arching that he is like
gasping for air for it is fucking hilarious.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
So then we go I love you know, I love
the telenovela. It is like my favorite never we get
to see the novela. Then you open up into my
Bobo juicy track suit.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
It wasn't look but you.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
You look like you look thin with a big fat booty.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Big booty, lifted, lifted, lifted.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Fake juicy sweatsuit. I wish say that you know what?

Speaker 2 (37:31):
No, you still you keep it. No, you keep it
right and tight. I'm joking.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
No, I'm not. I'm serious. But I did love it.
And then America coming down with the bleach on her face.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
But guess what, I don't really, I would never be
embarrassed about that.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
I spent so much of my life with that very
bleach on my very much have a mustache and a
full unibrow. First headshot I.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Look like a photo of.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
How you look right now, y'all.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Can see him of it.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
That's that's what my first head shop look like, except
for the univerrow.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Okay, uh, there's photis of you hanging in your house.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
I do not have a mustache hanging in my house.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
That photo of you and Genevieve. You're gonna tell me
that there is no mustache.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
I'm about to anyway, when.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
You get home today, I would like for you to
look at it to assess.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
So then we see I do again. We see Michael
or Mark come in and he does that hilarious slide
on the newspapers. She calls us like something about a
flea market chic, and then Agnastia is like, these are
your friends from the Mode.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
It's not the Mode, shove.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
It, it's just Ola. No, there's an h.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Fucking Becky Newton in this still looking flan and she's
eating trays. That tray she ate and she ate and
then she ate again. And also, by the way, she
ate up.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
This performance, ate up this performance.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
No, I mean and and this is and by the way,
this is the first time that Mark and Amanda come
to the Suarez house, which continues on like that is
a through line for Yes, I have never watched these episodes,
but I know it to be true because I was there.
But that Mark and Amanda actually frequent there as time

(39:45):
goes on, and I think that that's really awesome.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
We're back in the office with the photographer. They're still
trying to figure out what This is one of the
most iconic lines ever delivered on the history of the
show we have I have a coffee. I have a
coffee cup with it that Vanessa gave us all for
Christmas one two three Did you just guests of me

(40:23):
when you said Kwanza, Yeah, I die because in truth
he did and he.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
And and the way that Vanessa Williams can just and
then say yeah, anything, I can say any anything. Read
the phone.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Book to me, thank you, please do it because that
was it.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
But I think that's a lullaby.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
But that's she could say that line to me. Just
I'll repeat by. So there's a super cute montage and.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
They're figuring it out and they're like whatever.

Speaker 5 (41:07):
I do.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
Love the way it's shot when they're doing this sort
of because uh, Amanda and Mark are still at our
house and they're doing close up shot on Mark, close
up shot on Amanda, close up shot on Betty.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
The cinematography is really really cool. Ideas idea I did
this thing too, like where where it feels like the
way that it's shot it's almost like underneath but like
fish eye, where it's like where they're being like interrogated,
you know what I mean, Like where it's like they're

(41:40):
talking about Fat Carola.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
But it's like she called you, bet It almost is
like kind of like not a great angle, but it's
but but it makes perfect sense, Like it makes perfect sense.
I loved it.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
I loved it. And then again we go back to
the theme because Ignas and Betty are in the kitchen.
He said, some times we have to keep secrets to survive.
Right now, that's how we're living in the swat Is House,
right like, that is.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
An actual thing.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
And so Betty we leave her pondering that. Then we
go to the three of them in the elevator with
Fat Carol, and that's when they all go Fat Carol
and they're all and that's when Betty's resolved. She's like,
I'm gonna ride.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
On fat Carrol.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
Fu fat Carol.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Yeah, she just reads that Carol because Fat Carol was like, oh,
it's nice having someone fatter than me. Yeah, fuck you.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
So then we see that Daniel has a music box.
This is the now we get a little history on Daniel, yes,
and a little bit of like.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Because we have seen that the music box did say
that it was for fee. But then we see another
music box that says for Claire Claire, which we wait
until we have Judith like this on this very podcast.
Just wait. But yeah, there's obviously, you know, Daniel's prayer. Yeah,

(43:03):
Daniel is putting the pieces together, correct, And Bradford is,
you know, not pleased about the fact that Daniel's putting
the pieces together. That's right. You know that woman is calling, calling.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Calling, So then we come back to you. We find
out that you, you little naughty boy, have been cutting school,
that's right, and lying to me Tilda, and she's so pissed.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
I had to go to mode.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
I have herbelux pin with my fake Cavali jeans and
I'm like, I don't know what I did.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Look cute, you look good, and thank you.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
You're wearing a very cute turtleneck with the corduroy.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
It looks like it looks like like a Tom Ford.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Are you doing a sort of like homage with your
corduroy pants now with that?

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Because you're ready.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
I wasn't.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
I wasn't planning on it, but maybe.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Little codor right homage. So but you look at doors.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
I loved it, and yeah, it's it's really cute and
I and again Betty.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
Says to you, you're not going to get far by
lying that's not She literally says, that's not who we are. Yes,
And so that's the whole and I and and and.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
By the way, I remember shooting this, this whole kind
of moment.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Rights in the shadows of Yes.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
But this photo shoot we were on on the same
lot that we were shooting. They had another stage that
they like just basically turned into this photo shoot, right,
And so I just recall so vividly walking into like
this fake snow it. Honestly, I was not acting because

(44:44):
I was so I was so entranced by the like
the fact that you could turn just a sound stage
or like whatever, because I also didn't really understand what
it sounds doing was right this something? Yeah, And and
I was also really nervous to like act with anyone

(45:06):
that wasn't you America or Tony.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Because he first, right, and you were with all the
heavy hitters.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Right, So at least at least in the elevator scene,
I was with America. So I felt like comfortable with
Michael and Becky, but I didn't know them, yeah, you
know what I mean, Like I didn't know Yuri yet really.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Well that that this so we were coming up into
that scene where you guys have such a sweet moment.
But before we get into that sweet moment, yeah, I
have to like be evil about this willing me to outfit.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Oh shit, yeah it's not. It's not.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
The bleero jacket with the cami sticking out and the
scalloped hem on the skirt and the scalloped him on
the balero. It was distressing to me.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
It was literally stressing, stressing to no.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
I was like, I'm almost like taken out of my
entire world right now, because it was the cami was wrinkled,
the hem was scalloped, the hem was scalloped on the skirt,
and the hem was scalloped on the bolo. It was
it looked like a terrible gingerbread roof nightmare. And I

(46:19):
hated it so much.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
I mean I wasn't as incensed about it as you,
but I mean, yeah, it wasn't my favorite.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Well, especially because they see Amanda in the fabulous like
short sleeved basic mind.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
You know, hammy untucked with the bolo makes no sense
to me.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Horrifying. That's all I'm gonna say about that. Holy So
then Mark and Betty are both in purple. It was
fabulous Amanda had a great little mock turtlenecks, silver belt,
gray skirt.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Loved, loved, and her hair with a and I love
her with like I love her with the the bangs
like tucked back like side like deep side part but
like but like it's just like walked back like this
pinned and then over. But I did like very Carolyn
Besset Kennedy vibes very you know what I mean, It

(47:08):
gives very like like Carolyn Besset Kennedy. Can we have
a moment, a moment of silence, so.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Then we go into like Vanessa like laying it down
and being like disgusting fact that she called her.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Disgusting fact, which by the way made me.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Guffaw like literally died. I am and she said, I
couldn't even blame you because you were drunk, you were horny,
and you were naive. She points to Amanda Mark and
Betty I just.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Wrote down you were you were horny, and you were naive,
So I.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Don't blame you.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
We're getting some intel. Oh tell that that scene that
it took eight to ten takes to get because they
couldn't stop laughing.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
The disgusting fat Carol One, I believe it because me
I watched When she said, disgusting fat Carol, I almost
fell off the chair.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
A disgusting fat Carol is one of the wildest things
that I've heard.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
By the way, that's my new insult. Disgusting face.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Excuse me when I'm upset with you.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
You'll know, Oh, disgusting fat.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Excuse me when you don't answer my phone calls, which
is normal. Hi, disgusting fat Carol, would you like to
call me back?

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Drunk, horny and night?

Speaker 2 (48:36):
And I am.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
So then okay, So this is actually my most favorite,
Like it was actually emotional watching this because your little adorable,
gorgeous little face.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
I cried, by the way, did you. I can't too,
because I cried because I watched it alone, and like,
you know, David wants to watch it with me all
the time, and I was like, I just need to
watch it alone because I've never seen it. And I
cried because I remember it and I remember I could
even cry right now. I remember like feeling so like

(49:16):
support it, Like I just felt like wow, like I'm
an actor, you know, like being next to Michael and
being next to Vanessa, you know, and just knowing that
I was being supported and like and that everyone wants
to win.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
You know.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
It was really emotional really because it was the first
time that I ever felt watching the show back where
I felt like I really remembered it and how special
like that moment was.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
And it felt that way. It did. Even the music, yeah,
because it was sparse. The music was sparse. It was
just your face and then Vanessa's face and it was
just the two of you in this moment and it
was so beautiful. And you said, you know, you were
like this, you know, you were the jokey thing of
like it's just like top Model is that one was crying,

(50:16):
but then she said just say snow.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Yeah, and the music was so light and sparse.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
And it was just her face and then it would
go to your face and you said snow and I
it looked I mean, you were all the wonders of
a little kid. It was.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
It was really, it was really and it was really
special to watch, yeah, you know because I I again
like I remember what it was like to be there
and to feel that, and it was you know, and
also I even't thought about it in a really long time, right,
you know, it's been a long time, so to revisit it,

(50:55):
and remember there's like a sense memory, you know, in
a certain.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
Pay but I and the snow falling all around you
and her.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
And her doing this monologue about you know, snow kind
of you know, erasing things.

Speaker 5 (51:11):
Of the past, and and then we try to the
scene with you and Mark, Yeah, which was again so
sweet and so simple and emotional.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
How is that Watching that scene again, I'm just like,
I'm just emotional about this whole like about like this
whole thing, because I think I was so intimidated by
Vanessa just because you know, it's Vanessa Williams. But Michael
was was like my friend, you know what I mean,

(51:43):
Like it was it was he felt more accessible to me.
And so again having another actor that's just just supportive.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Of you and saying those words to you, right, And also,
you know, we have.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
To acknowledge like I'm twelve years old, so this is
before I came out. This is before I you know,
even even thought about it, right, Like there was there
was no world in which that was a part of
the conversation.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
And he's saying, just be you, stress how you want,
be who you want, say what you want, but might
just learn how to run real fast.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Yeah, and and I think that that, to be honest,
leave it like or like keep it like where it's
just kind of like that is that is the truth.
And I just felt in that moment there was something
that was so I felt I felt such a visceral feeling.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Imagine all the kids watching it also, right, I know
we're in the same position that you were, and.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Like watching it for the first time, it's just like
that's why I'm crying, just because it's like holy shit,
like because I was going through it at the same time,
you know, as myself, but you.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Were doing it in front of millions of people, but
like you sort of did that for so many kids.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
I mean, wow, I know it.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
You definitely paid a price.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
It's really tough to watch it, to be honest, because
I can see the pain that that like kid was in,
Like he was he was so confused, he was so confused.
And yes, did this character do so much for for

(53:32):
for young people at the time. Absolutely, but yes, the expense,
the price was that I had to have a lot
of therapy.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Well and you didn't know, yeah, you know, I mean
you were just sort of just.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Really hard to watch that.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
Time.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Yeah, Like as a thirty one year old man watching
it back and like looking at this poor little boy
that like didn't he like he just didn't know, He
didn't understand, he didn't have the the you know, the
tools to understand what was going on, and and I
just feel badly for him.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Yeah, And at the same time me, like, from my
point of view, it was so moving, and it was
so essential, and it was so you know, not to
sound callous, but there was like a there was the
you know, Mark sort of like just learn how to
run real fast. And then it gets up and he's
got to like run away as he's like gasping for

(54:35):
his asthma, and you just are sort of left sitting
there with that. You know, it's just so profound looking
back on it now. But in the moment we were,
you know, it was just this sort of really sweet
little scene.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
And what a beautiful relationship that we that we end
up throughout the series get to see. That was the
beginning of it flourish, you know. And and and I
think that Michael has spoken about this like multiple times
about how the relationship between Justin and Mark was something
that started so early but was something that was so important,

(55:11):
important to the show, important to the community about that
kind of that generational difference in relationship, correct, you know
what I mean? And the ways in which he, like Mark,
the character Mark helped Justin in ways that like Justin

(55:31):
just could never imagine being assisted with.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
And when you think about this, I'm just looking at
my notes and I'm skipping over a little bit. But
like at the end, the very end, when Hill does
reading you the Riot Act and she's like, I hope
this is da da da da da, And that isn't
that the other thing? And you did this and you
did that and you're not getting this for a month,
and you look at a phone you go, it was
worth it?

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Was it worth it? It was? Like I mean, just
the big picture, was it worth it for you as
who you are now to have gone through all of
the things that you've gone through, being the first in
so many ways? Like was it worth it? Like was justice?

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Of course? It was worth it? Of course it was.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
But it doesn't it doesn't take away from the.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
You know, there's there's still there's still a lot of pain.
But but I think that I think that what's really
incredible is that the ways in which I was spoken
to outside of just us filming the show, and you
know exactly what I'm talking about. I do that no one,

(56:42):
no child, is able to be spoken to that way
ever again. And I'm not saying I'm the only one.
I'm just saying that I was a part of the
community of young like actors that were harassed.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
We would be on a red carpet, y'all, and we
were very purposeful about sort of shielding Mark from a
lot of crazy like he would take pictures and then
it just got to be too much and they would
start screaming at him and we would take him there.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
They would call me a faggot, like it was absolutely.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Barbaric, and the way we would like fight on the
red carpet with these certain it wasn't obviously the majority
of the photographers were wonderful and fabulous, but there were
a few that were just so hideous.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
But it only takes those two, like, right, like there
could be And this is also at a time when
you know, there were hundreds of photographers right right, Like
it doesn't exist like that anymore. But I mean, but it, yeah, fine,
out of a hundred, if there were three people that
were saying something nasty you only take the three people,

(57:49):
you don't take the other ninety eight.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Yeah, I'm so thankful and proud of you, and I just.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Love you very It just like hurt, like it's this
is it's like it's a cathartic like it's a cathartic ry.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
But I feel like this is one of the reasons
why I've been a little bit trepidacious about watching the show,
you know, like at all, just because I.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
Thank you for sharing that with us, because it was
really beautiful. I don't think we've ever even had this
conversation like that.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Not because I wanted to leave it. I wanted to
leave it there, you know, but I feel like now
enough time is passed to be able to actually say
it without like, of course I'm obviously emotional, but not
breaking completely down, you know, like not completely unraveling, right.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
I love you very much.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
I love you too.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
So we do end we find out that Ignacio has
a fake social Security number, yes, which again is like
it's amazing when you're talking about what we're talking about
with even with Ignacio, like all of this stuff, we're
still dealing with this right now. We see Willie try
to lure Medina into working with us. We find out

(59:09):
that you think it's all worth it. I love you
so much, Mark, I love you too. I love you
so much. And then we see Walter serenading Betty with
his favorite songs, which Ignacio's advice, and that was our episode.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
Peop, should we say something funny before we leave, because
I don't know. I feel like I've been crying for
the list, you know what.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
I think that's so beautiful and I love this and
I love us, and I think you're so brave and amazing,
and you know, trust me, I'll make fun of you
so much after this, for this, for this entire for him,
for you crying on the radio, I will totally make
fun of you. No, I'm kidding. I love you and

(59:52):
I think you are so incredible, and I think it's important.
I don't think we have to be funny all the time,
you know. I think it's just you know, this is
real and this is us, and this is the effect
that Betty has on on so many of us. So
thank you, guys. If you have any thing that you
want to say, or anything that you want to add,
any stories that you have about your experience, yeah, that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Would actually be a really great other kind of prompt
for us to to to just kind of put forth.
I think that a lot of people that approach us
about the show really comes uh is in the vein
of like it helped me come out, or it you know,
it helped like my son or my daughter or you

(01:00:37):
know whatever, X, Y and Z and so. I feel
like coming out stories could also be something really fun.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Oh, we would love to hear it, to hear.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
About maybe that we're generated by the show.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Yeah, we love you guys so much.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Sorry for grind, Viva Betty not sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Okay, we are back.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
We did a little bit of an outfit change, a
little bit of a you know, that's what we do.
We're matching if you can't tell business cast and we
wanted to answer some fan questions and if you have
any questions, by the way, just go to our Instagram
at Viva Betty Podcast and or email Viva bettypod at

(01:01:33):
gmail dot com. We always say that we want to
hear from you. We want to hear what you love.
We also want to hear what you hate. But don't
hurt my feelings, hurt his feelings. So here we go.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Okay, you go first, because it's a question for you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Okay, I want to know from Mark how it was.
First of all, it's from Out at Dark Sense of
Horror History dash ng Yeah, Model, I like it. I
want to know for Mark, how was it coming out
in the wedding episode? Did that affect you in real life?

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
We haven't seen the wedding episode yet? Have you seen it?

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
I have not seen it, but I have very, very
know the memories of doing it, and I remember that
it was that was like the second to last episode
that we filmed, right, so it was really really emotional,
and I remember so vividly sitting in those chairs with

(01:02:32):
America next to me and holding my face and saying,
there's nothing that you need to be afraid of, and
we you know, it was it was a hard scene
to film because I think that we knew that it
was going to be the end, right, and we knew that,

(01:02:56):
like you know that that it didn't feel like like
Betty and justin in a certain capacity. I really felt
like it was America talking to Mark. Wow in like
a really big way. That's amazing, And and I think
that that's why I have such a vivid memory of it,
because she and I don't know. I mean, we have

(01:03:17):
to ask a about it, but I really do feel
that we were not necessarily acting in that moment.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Do you know what I mean? I do when you're
in the moment and you're performing, but you're not.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Acting, well, you know, I don't even have that perspective
because it ever, I think, which is so interesting. I've never,
like as an actor, had a moment like that, which
I think is so special and again something that only
this show in its time and it's everything, could sort
of bring. Is that is that realness because you were
going through it in the same time as your character.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
And I don't think that it I don't think that it.
I mean if it affected me in real life, I
think that it affected me in a positive way.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Yeah, I am.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
I think that if anything, if we're saying or if
I'm saying that you know, this wasn't necessarily acting, that
this was two people, two friends talking to each other,
I think it affected me in a positive way exactly
to then continue on with my life and and my

(01:04:21):
my journey in a bold, in a bold and unapologetic plague. Yeah,
so thank you for your question. I really liked that one.
It was a good one and I'm not going to
cry again, so it well, we'll see. Do you want
to read this one?

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Okay? At Renee Lopez seven sixty two, Renee, Hi, Renee.
I just want to say thank you both so much
for this rewatch pod. I have not watched Ugly Betty
since it was first on the air, but now I
have binged it in its entirety because of you two.
I love this show so much. Growing up, I saw
a lot of myself and Justin as a young gay man,
and my mother being a single Latina mother who hustled

(01:04:58):
her ass off at a million different jobs. Take care me,
very Hilda Hm is such a Hilda. I remember when
I was seventeen, I would go to work on Friday
mornings dressed to my best because the show was on
Thursday nights, and I felt so overwhelming inspired to be
high fashion, or at least what a seventeen year old
thought was high fashion at the time. Believe me, he

(01:05:19):
went through the same growing pains, and so.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
Did you, and you aren't seventeen. Continue much love and
gratitude to you two.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Icons question for the pod. In a reboot of Ugly Betty,
do we think Justin could be working at Mode as
he foretold in season one, episode five, I mean saying.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
That would make hundred I think that we talked about this.
Of all, I think Justin.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Will be like the first like Latino Neippo baby in
the magazine.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
And I really think that that's tea. And I also
think that, like we talked about this off off the air,
but I really do think that like Justin could be
like working very closely with Mark Saint James, and like
that Mark is in a very elevated position and Justin
is working like under him or with him, right, It

(01:06:12):
doesn't have to be like an assistant editor, right, or
like whatever whatever it is. I feel like I think
that if Justin worked at Mode, he'd be working with Mark.
I think so, and I and I really just have
to throw this in there, if, if, and when there
is the reboot, when I only want to see Becky

(01:06:32):
Newton as Amanda still the reception it has to be
that everyone grows and changes and Amanda is still the receptionist.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
It's literally the only what do you guys say? Because
I think that's the only.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
That's called comedy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
That's funny. But we actually do talk about this all
the time, So thank you Renee for your yes.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
Thank you so much. And our last is from Ann
Louise A.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Hunt and Hunt Luisa's my middle name. To love you girl.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Hello. I absolutely love your podcast. It made me sentimental
and I started a full rewatch. It's been so fun
rediscovering all the amazing cameos. Victoria Beckham, Gene Simmons, forgot
about it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
I forgot about that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
Lindsay Lohan. Glad to see that she's come back in
a different fashion. I love a full when she was
on the show, and I recently learned that it was
a family affair to Vanessa Williams's brother and Jerry O'Connell
love which we love. We love Chris and we love
Jerry Jerry O'Connor and they have some questions for us

(01:07:42):
and for a reboot. Who would you love to invite
for a cameo?

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Okay, do you know who are we really? This is
so weird and like kind of not whatever. I would
love Christy Turlington to have a cameo. Like I just
think we need some like super model, like real supermodel,
like nineties.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Energy know how to why am I like tearing up?

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
I want Christy Tarlington.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
You know that's my super.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
I know she's my super too.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Have you seen my Christy book?

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
I have. Anyway, we love Christy Turling. Christy's great.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
Want I want.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Like an actor?

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
I want Amy Poehler.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Your friends with her? Why doesn't get her on the pod?

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
We could? No, she's I mean, well, I don't know Amy?
What's up?

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Anyway? Who else? Who would I want? Who would I want?
Hold on? Let me think about this for a second.
What about a love interest for Justin? Okay, let's think about.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
This context a love interest for Justin? Oh, you're gonna be.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
I mean, honestly, like I want it to be, like
so like on the nose, crazy Glenn.

Speaker 6 (01:08:53):
Powell bar if he could never box office, box office
not my jam.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
But I'm not attracted to ance you bar No, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Okay, bad bunny.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
And he's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Done done. That's it, Christy Tarlington, bad Bunny. Take Tom Ford.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
I've had it done done, I had it Well. There
was another question, do.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
You I have it? Mark threw his way. I didn't.
I'm a responsible podcast. Okay. Second question, did any of
your own family members ever appear on the show?

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Did any of my family members of I don't know.
She might correct me if I'm wrong. I think Lennon
Dela Coado was an extra once she's just walking through
the campra like this, like my listen, I wouldn't to
find her light and find her shine, and I support

(01:10:10):
that none of that flimly doesn't fall far. But anyway,
that was they didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
Allow any of us on the stud slash RIVERA.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
That's oh my god, well no, I mean, might have
to turn the mics down.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
My family wouldn't even need to be miked. But although
my mother was there on set every day when I
had she was my babysitter.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
My mother was my nanny like dad, like your nurse,
like a good Latin.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
Woman does, even though my mother's Irish.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
But we like, honestly, I'm going to be so for real,
we love your questions so much as you can see,
like this is so much fun for us to do. Yeah,
and I just I really would love to be answering
as many questions as possible. And again to us people,
you can come with grievances, just don't hurt my feelings.
If it's about Hona, do your worst.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
What could they possibly say?

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
I don't know her stories. I'm like Mary, but you
know where to find us. And we love you, guys,
Love you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
Viva Betty is a production of Propagate Content in partnership
with Iheart's and Mikelsuda podcast Network.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
We're your hosts Ana Ortiz and Mark and Delocato.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Our executive producers are Terry Weinberg, Lin Lee and Diego Katia.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Our senior producer is Emily Carr, and the show is
directed and edited by Mark ACoM.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
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