October 2, 2025 • 53 mins
Welcome to Viva Betty! Ana and Mark take us back in time to 2006 - the world before Ugly Betty. They talk about how they landed the life-changing roles of Hilda and Justin, their first impressions of the cast (and each other), and Mark’s swear jar side hustle. Then they gear up for the wild ride they’re about to embark on - rewatching the show that started it all.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to Viva Betty.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
A new podcast about everything ugly Betty. I'm and I'm
markin Delocado.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Let's get into it. Okay, Hi everyone.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi, how are you doing? We are We are so back,
We are so bad. We are so back in a
way that I don't know if y'all are ready. To
be honest, I really don't think they are, because I'm
now a thirty year old man and you are still
a thirty five years old forty. It's really so it's
you know, it's exciting to see, you know, someone not age.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
So here we are. We just want to sort of
talk to each other and talk to you guys about
our Betty experience. We're coming up on an anniversary which
I cannot believe.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Twenty years that's could you imagine?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Not even possible.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I just, you know, it's it's crazy to me because
I feel like it was one hundred and fifty years ago, and.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yet yesterday totally I could not agree with you, Like.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I just I was watching the pilot last night for
the first time in nineteen.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Well, you haven't really Here's the thing that I don't
know if everybody knows this, but Markey hasn't really watched
the show.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I've seen I've seen two of eighty four. That's so
we've got a lot to unpack. You watch and I'm
watching the TV show with all.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
We're allady through this together, kind of like fresh and new.
It's so cool to watch Marky watch it because I mean,
obviously I watched every episode. I think I've watched every
episode fifteen times. And but you were saying, I mean
watching the pilot for me, it was so good. That
show is so flipping good.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
It was it turn it turns out it's a really
good show.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah, each one of ours.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I knew I watched. Everybody was in neat leave from daytime,
from like the first word they said.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
And you know what's so, what's so crazy about it?
I think that that, uh, just the longevity of not
only the experience on the show, but just in in life.
Is that like you're still my best friend. It's crazy
because I see you like once a week too much.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
In fact, there was a time I came home, house
was locked and he's sitting at the pool. Yes, your
girl has a pool, and I know Washington heights to here.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Period. The bottom knelled, well, Darling.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
So and all of a sudden, I see I come
home and he's just lying by the pool, just doing
his thing.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
That's right, I know the gate coade. What do you
think I'm stupid.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
We're close. Let me put it to you.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
We're close like that. I know where I know where
the keys are hidden.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
He knows where the boxes.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I know. I know the key code. And those dogs
don't bark me because they know they know what's coming through.
I need to heat up that Trader Joe's pizza. Thank y'all,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I met you and you were a little, tiny, tiny
little baby. Yeah, and you were so stinking cute and
oh my god, listen, I immediately turn into Hilda, like
right away you're here.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
You was so stinking cue immediately go.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I can't even help it, but you were you were
what eleven?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I was eleven. I was eleven when we shot the pilot,
and then I turned twelve when we were shooting the
first season.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, you auditioned in New York though, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I auditioned in New York because I was living in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yeah. Oh, I was gonna say. I was watching the
violt there's I think it's like the like what is
the scene you answer before you're like helloo.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I was like, I feel that too. I heard that too,
because it's so crazy, like whenever I go home to
Philadelphia and listen, you're half from Philadelphia. Well that's so
it's like whenever you go home, you know, it just
it just comes directly back to you.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
And then your mom was with us the whole time,
and she's like Philly.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
She had never left Philly, and and now well and
now she says, like Walter, like she has like a
weird Transatlantic accent. We live in like Katherine Hepbert. I
don't know. Anyway, we're off topic about the many. Yeah,
I love you, mommy, but you do have like a
(04:27):
Transatlantic accent. I mean, be for real. My dad hasn't changed, no,
and he never will, never will. Big Mark for life, Yeah,
Big Mark Philly. You want to talk Philly strong, Baltimore strong.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
So you walk in, it's like, let's see, okay, I'm
just trying to remember because you're you're this little thing
and we walk in. It was but wait was the
table read was in New York?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Everything was in New York, like you because you were
in La I was.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
I got the job in.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
La, right, and then you came to New York to
shoot the first Wait, before we get to the table read,
I want to talk about like what the audition process
was for both of us, because really you have a
really interesting one that I really I don't think that
like listeners or viewers or fans of the show could
(05:17):
imagine that this was your kind of trajectory.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Oh this is Hilda, this was the I was still
bartending my love. I was still bartending. I came in
for this audition. Well, first of all, everybody auditioned for Betty.
Literally really all the Latin actresses audition for Betty, and
I was like, there's no way, I'm not right for this,
La la la. I go in because you're like, well
it's a chance to be seen. Some hike is going
to be their most right, go in queen. So so
(05:46):
I auditioned whatever I get called back for Hilda. When
I auditioned for Hilda, Hilda was she had a mini van,
she was pregnant and married. There was aye, I didn't
know that on us it's honey, whoa real for real?
So who knows? Whatever. I came in, I did my
own thing, and I got the heart thank you Jesus.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
That is it's but again, like how crazy is it
for Like could you imagine? Like I mean, you're such
an incredible actress, like I think you can do anything,
but it's just like you, like you're Hilda, but I
know you know what I mean. Like and maybe that's wonderful.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
I think that's the thing about our show though, right,
is that they really got to know us and write
for us. I think had another actress cast, Kilda would
have been completely different. She might have stayed in a minivan.
I guess I've just got a minivan. Girl.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Well you're not. And you're also a New Yorker, so
it's just like you recognized like you knew Hill does.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
The other thing is I had no idea that we
were supposed to be Mexican.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I was full of well the lines were you know,
the lines could be blurred, y like just say it's queens.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
That's what I said, Jackson hys, That's what I said.
I know queens like my grandmother looks exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Look at Bridgerton. I'm just saying, you know, like they're
they're talking about, you know, the British aristocracy with all
different nationalities and races period.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Thank you. I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I mean so I I just I want to say, like,
I love the story of your journey to being cast
as Hilda, though I think it's one of my favorites
because I feel like that was very unique. I think
among like I think the entire cast, right, like going
in for a different character, being cast as like a
(07:46):
character that couldn't be more different, right, And sometimes.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
You hear experiences I hope this isn't too much like
inside Baseball, but sometimes you hear experiences from like people
who are like they're like everybody in this cast was
our first choice and this was a you know, and
I feel like our cast we were kind of like
we fought for them.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
We fought for it. We all thought well fought part.
What I will say is that, like, I feel that
we all fought for it as much as we possibly
could as people, essentially, you know, with with no power
to make the decision. But there were a lot of
people that really really fought for us. And I think
that the story that I heard about my audition experience, well,
(08:31):
I just recall it was an audition like any other audition.
I was an eleven year old boy, living in Philadelphia,
and my parents would take me to New York and
they made, you know, all of these sacrifices to get
off of work and whatever. Like you know, it wasn't
it surely wasn't like easy, right in hindsight. But so
(08:52):
it was just an audition like any other audition because
it was also like it was for a pilot. It
was not right right, And I didn't even really kind
of intellectually know what that meant, right, Like, it was
just like an audition, like you're going on an audition,
like memorize your lines or something, and I go in
and again I don't really recall feeling like, wow, I
(09:15):
relate to this because I didn't, to be honest, I
don't know how much you can really relate to like
as an eleven year old, right.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Like what experience do you have to bring?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
It's just you or just you. I was just I
was just acting like I was just doing my best.
And then I mean I think that I went back
in like five more times or something like that, Like
it was it was a very like long process.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Oh yeah, I went in. I went in a lot
of times.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
And I remember I remember like later on, like Silvia
telling me like that there was this number and I
cannot remember what the number was of how many like
boys audition for just and how many tapes they saw
or how many you know. And then on the I
remember my final callback before I met America because then
(10:11):
I had to test with America, was Sylvia just basically
being like, listen, we love what you're doing, but there
are people that are that need something different from you,
so just phone it in. He essentially told me to
like phone it in, just just just do it the
way that they want you to do it, because we
(10:32):
want you to do it right. And then of course
I met America at the at the screen test of
it all, and you know, this is pretty recently on
the heels of Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants. I'm an
eleven year old boy. You're in you know, I'm like,
that's Carmen. So I'm geeking like now, like I see
(10:54):
her get out of the elevator. I remember this so well.
I see her get out of the elevator. I'm sitting
there with my mom Lynn and I'm like, Mom, I
don't think I could do it, and she's like, what
do you mean you can't do And I was like,
that's Gorman. That's Gorman. She was like good. She was like, well, yeah,
of course, Lynn, I'm trying to be nice. She was like,
just go in there and do it. I mean, who cares.
(11:15):
And then I went in and obviously A was so
good and so sweet and so lovely, and then I
mean yeah, and then got the call that I got
in and they were like, you're shooting into New York.
And then when the first season started, they go, you're
moving to Los Angeles, right, And I was like, huh what.
And that was one of our friend speaking of moving
(11:38):
to Los Angeles. That was when we first really bonded.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, that's right. Remember when we went to go see
Double Worst.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
That's what I was just gonna say.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
We went out of that movie like this is our show,
this is our show. We were just like, this is
gonna be this is gonna be so major, This is.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Gonna be so major. Well also we didn't know how major.
Like we saw it like right when the movie came out,
and I remember you so distinctly going be like if
if this movie is a success, our show will be
a success. I remember it so distinctly, and I was
like okay, like I'm like twelve years old one. But
me and Lynn were like, oh yeah, but it was
(12:17):
so like and and that was you know, you really
you really took Lynn and I under our wing when
we came and moved.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Well, you were instant family, instant family. I mean, the
thing is that Lynn really understood me too, because I'm
not easy. I'm not an easy, go lucky birth No.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
You not easy. Oh my god, no, Hona, please don't
do that negative self talk.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I'm just being honest. I mean I'm not you know
what I mean, Like, I don't, I don't. We had
a lot of fun, but I'm you know, I'm like,
I'm very straightforward.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
But so is Lynn. Like Lena and I. We just
speak the same language, that's right. So yeah, so that
was an easy.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Fit for me. But I think what I you know,
I got like a little bit ahead of ourselves. I
want to talk about the first time we all met
each other. So like we're all cast. Everyone is in
New York, you know, we walk into this conference room
in New York.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah, in New York, that's right.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
In New York, and uh, we're.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Like, can we say can we say look this is
can we say that.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Can we talk about Willemina Slater. Yeah, it was. It
was not the It was not the Icon, the Deva,
the starv Anessa Williams. Originally it was someone else that
was less qualified. Yeah, it was someone that was less
qualified to play the role of Wilhelmina Slater.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
And no shade, she just wasn't Wilhelmina Slater.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
No, but she was not qualified to play that role.
It just, you know, just that I didn't.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Scare the fucking shit out of you. Excuse my language,
but didn't it because we did that table. Not to
jump around, but I'm jumping around. We did the table.
She's there, la la la. We we come back for
their like we're gonna do another table. We were like,
oh okay, and she's gone and incomes Icon.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Now here's the the house down.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Excuse me, Red, I mean I think we all like
applauded after her first while because because she if she
was not born to do anything, she was born to
play Wilhelmine slavey.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
I mean, come on, and and everyone and this is
the thing, especially like in gay world, you know what
I mean, Like the cis gay males love Wilhelmina Slater
because they're nasty and rude, just like that, I know,
and some of them a.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Lover for a whole other bag of reasons, you know.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
What I mean.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I mean, I just I remember in speaking of Vanessa,
is that like when we were filming the pilot, we'll
go back to for you know, first impressions, but because
now that we're talking about Vanessa, we can't stop that.
I was in the hair and makeup trailer with her
when we were filming the pilot, and my mom was
so like incensed, you know what I mean. And we'll
(15:14):
be and by the way, we'll be talking a lot
about my mom pot well, because I was I was
a young child, and she was there. She experienced it
with all of us, so but she was kind of
like a little incensed, and and she was like, Marky,
do you know who that is? I was like, no,
I don't know. She's like, that's Vanessa Williams. I was like,
(15:35):
who she's like Miss America. I was like what, Like,
I just didn't like understand. I didn't like it was
truly it was not clicking obviously. And then you know,
as I got older.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I realized why was she incensed.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Well, just because she was so starstruck she was. She
was incensed in like a in like a positive connotation,
like she was just kind of like she didn't know
what to do with herself, you know what I mean?
Because she was like, that's Vanessa Williams, and like, you know,
I think that that's I just think that that's such
a funny little anecdote. Back to the table, Raad, I
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remember what you were wearing when we first.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
I don't remember what I was.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
You're wearing big old hoops. Something's never changed. Your hair
was shorter, your hair was short.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Oh yeah, Hilda was in her short hair era. Your
hair was in her she was in her like friendship
square nails.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I love a friendship square nail. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I was watching that pilot like, oh Hilda, what not
the square?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Now you're kidding?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
No, no, no, ma'am.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
All right, well then you obviously are.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Not in sexiness.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I know that you're a wife and a mother, but damn.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I mean, okay, anyway.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
So I had and you had a white dress on.
You had a white like sun dress on, and you
were wearing a a rope wedge heel open toed open Toad. Yeah,
I think that they were like your Chloe heels or
something like that.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
They're very cute. I don't know how who I thought.
I was bartending and getting Chloe shoes.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Listen, I did a lot.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
That's pre marriage, pre kids, baby girl.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I bought you know, I was. I was buying Balenciaga
in college with two dollars and fifty cents on credit.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
I can't pay rent, but I got Chloe shoes one period.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I'll find the rent.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Can I tell you I was bartending, bartending. I was
at this bar, this hideous bar, sorry for this bar,
sorry to this bar. But it's called like Paradise City
or Paradise Island or something like that. It's a strip
bar and it's nightmarish. And I was bartending the lunch shift,
which you can even imagine is just the grossest, Like
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who comes into a strip bar during lunch on like
Pico Boulevard for those who don't know Pico Boulevard. It's grim.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
And did they did? They do like a continental like
breakfasts and lunch.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Lunch, so they had like a buffet of like wings.
It was so gnarly gross. And that was when that
was like the guys would come and be like, oh,
you you should be you should you should be up there,
you should and I'd be like, yeah, you should be
a doctor. But here we are, here, we are having
wings and you're.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Watching You're getting that, you're getting a double seven and seven.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
That's right. And by the way, she hates.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
You, and she doesn't want to talk.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
She hates you. She don't want to go into those
champagne rooms behind the eyes flat champagne. But so we're
in there, I'm bartending and all of a sudden, the
bar back turns around. He's like, Anna, is that you?
And I turn around because we had already shot the
pilot and the pilot we got picked up, but I
don't know. I have this weird thing like I have to.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Worry you're still bartending when I just not know.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Shooting we weren't shooting, and.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah, but we hadn't gotten picked up to series yet,
Yeah we had, and you were still bartending. Girl.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
I have a sickness. You are I'm so afraid of
I'll be poor poor is jumping like I'm like sucking up,
like you know what way again.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Listen, that's it. That is a hustler in the best
sense of the I'm seriously, I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
The back is like is that you and and it's
a commercial for Betty or so something like that. I
was like, oh, ship, yeah, I gotta go. I quit.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I quit, motherfucker's but shut up, like on the Spot
on that day, on the Spot on that day, you
were like doing I'm on TV. And this was before
was this before we started shooting?
Speaker 1 (20:06):
We must have been shooting bartend.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Did you were shooting?
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I did the same thing. I did a PI. I
did a show for NBC a million years ago with
Kristin Chen.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I remember this, loved her Friend of the Pod soon
to be. She was on the show, she was on,
she was in fact.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Anyway, and I was still I was shooting. This pilot
was like a multi cam for NBC called Kristen Shocking.
And I was still bartending during that.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
That is so wild problem.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
You have a real like there's something wrong with you now.
I was working at another strip bar called Cheetahs.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
I love Cheetahs. Firs celebrities, listen, I.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Want to know good tips. Good Keanu Reeves.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Period, because he's a nice guy.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
He rides the subway Drew Barrymore tips really well, sorry.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Woman off subject. What I really want to know, though,
outside of like what your favorite strip clubs in La
are or at least favorite, is what was your first
impression of me?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Oh? You were well, you were sweet as pie, cute
as a button. I was really you know. The thing
is that the actor in all of us, I think
because it was such a stacked cast, I just really
wanted it to be real, and I know America was
really Can I tell this story about when we were
shooting the pilot?
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Yeah, but I want to know what your first impression it.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
All lends in. It was like you just really want
to I wanted to bond with you immediately. So my
impression of you was you were not shy. You weren't
you were you weren't like gregarious or outgoing, but you
were very polite, you were very sweet. You really responded
to my sort of energy. You did like immediately like
you just got me. You didn't think I was being
(21:57):
weird or I don't know, maybe it's because we have
very similar sort of like background, upbringing family, but because
I was like I immediately hugged you, right, yes, immediately,
I was like you're my son. And then I immediately
claimed you as my son. And then Lynn was there
and I was like, oh, I don't know if she's
going to be down with that. She she was like,
here's your son, he's your problem now.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah. But the thing that I'm asking you that because
I'm curious about this this like child actor syndrome of
being like like a performer, Like it's just kind of
like that and not and like losing like losing your
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semblance of like being a human and like being a kid,
you know what I mean. And I think that like
as we get into the season and you know, then
the the later success of the show, we'll talk very
much about what that meant to me personally and like
what I went through. But yeah, there were really intense time.
(23:00):
But I think that I've always been really curious and
I've never really asked you this of just about like
what how much of the kind of cringe child actor
miss did you get from me?
Speaker 1 (23:15):
None?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Really?
Speaker 1 (23:16):
None, none, not a lick And I don't remember there
was the one. No, none, none, Marquis. That's just you're
just not that person. You just aren't. You never you
were not You're not like an eager to please. You
just weren't that kid. You. You were very polite, you
were very nice, but you weren't just sort of like
in everybody's business. You kind of just sort of you
were a watcher. You were a really studier. And I
(23:40):
think also though we did make a point of like
including you as much as we could in like the
family stuff and the conversations and stuff like that, and like,
but I was again, like, I was hard when you
came up to me with the curse.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Oh yeah, that's a funny one. This happened very early
on because I was, well, first of all, I want
to admire my entrepreneurial spirit, because I started approaching everyone
with a swear jar. A swear jar, y'all, and it
was it was very light, fifty cents listen, but listen,
(24:14):
I was still forethought, I don't go for it. No,
you you literally said to me, I said, fuck you, motherfucker,
I'm not putting a dollar in your fucking swear jar.
Those are your exact words, verbatim. I recall, that's.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Right, I did. I'm sorry, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
And guess what, the swear jar died because then everyone
just jumped on the Ana Bandwagon and I wasn't able
to get any more fifty cents.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
No, No, I was because I cussed too much.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
That was the whole point. That's the entrepreneurial spirit.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
That was blackmail. That wasn't my jam.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
No I, Well that's a conversation for a different day,
being an entrepreneur blackmail.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
This episode of this I don't remember because I mean
I thought it was funny and I laughed right after
because I was like, oh, maybe that's too much, Like
did that hurt your feelings?
Speaker 2 (25:09):
No, you only made me cry once. It was it
was like one time in season two, I was wearing
the I was wearing the no No, that didn't make
me cry. That made me like, need to listen to
the Beatles.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
He was wearing a Beatles T shirt and I said
name one Beatles.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
And I was like, I got it at Urban Outfitters
on seventy seconds straight.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
So I was like, you need to listen to Beetles.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
And then I went and listened to the White Album
and was like, it's a great record. It is a
good record. I mean, you know it's.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Not your I get it. I get it.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
I don't like the Beatles.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Did I make you cry.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
You made me cry when I was wearing the like
the Yankee doodle. It was like sometime in season two.
I don't I don't, I don't know what episode it
was one again, because I have not seen this television program.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
It's exciting that we get to watch this with Mark.
I'm pretty scry.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
I'm excited. I'm excited to get everyone's like hot takes
in the comments. To be honest about like what I
am interpreting.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah, you know you were so goddamn cute.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
But I don't recall what it was. You made me
cry and then you felt bad instantly and like apologize
profusely for like two weeks.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
You made me feel so bad, But I'm sure it
was something I did, something.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
You just like, No, it was just like it was
getting later and like it was getting later and later,
and you know, for those of you that don't know,
like when you're under the age of sixteen, you can't
work more than nine and a half hours a day.
So they had to get me in and get me out.
It's like a very hard it's a hard out, you know.
(26:51):
And meanwhile, so they would shoot me out. But in
the beginning of the scenes and then everyone else would
have to stay and finish it. And so as an
adult actor, now you see it, well, I see the frustrations.
I see the frustrations that we might have for the
long hours.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
It was really fun. I remember, I remember. Now, okay,
I hope this Okay, I'm just gonna tell the story.
But remember when we were shooting the Pilot and we
were shooting a family scene and you, America, Tony Plana,
and I we all went out to lunch. On lunch break,
we actually like went.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Off, yes, yes, oh this is this is a good one.
Y'all are gonna love this. America is gonna love that
you're telling this to the world. By the way, she's
gonna love it.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
She was so here's the thing, though, she's so she
was so excited and she was so good. And this
is to what you were asking before. Like we just
immediately bonded, like the four.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Of us were like a like a sure thing.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
And so we had lunch, we were walking our way
back to set in America, She's just so excited. She's like,
oh my god, you this is so great. I love this.
I actually, don't you feel like we're a family, Like
I really feel like we're a family. Like told me,
you feel like you're like you're like my dad, and
and I feel like you're my sister, like my crazy sister,
and and and Marky You're just you're just like my
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gay nephew. And you were walking up ahead of us
and you stopped dead in your tracks and you turned
around and I saw America's face drop and you were
just like Justin's gay. Yeah, And America was like, oh,
I don't. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Is that I don't And I was like.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Anyway, yeah, it does feel like we're.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
A family, and like I think we just kind of
like blew it over.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yeah, I mean because you're not.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
I mean, you were just a kid.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I just didn't, you know. I didn't know until later
in the show. Really like I knew that I knew
about like I knew that I was gay, probably like
in the second season. But it's just it's so stress
changed to see the ways in which you can be
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at that time too. And I think that that's something
that we're going to really tackle in this podcast, is
like what the culture was at the time that we
were making the show, and the doors that this show
has opened to representation and also things that could perhaps
stay in two thousand and seven, you know what I mean,
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in the odds, And that's something that you know, I
think that both of us are really passionate about talking
about because we have such reverence for the show and
what it has opened the doors for, but we also
are very I think that it's like a healthy criticism,
do you know what I mean? And criticism is like
a big word, but a healthy way to talk about
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things that can just stay stay there, contextualize historically, you
know what I mean. But it was in that way
that I think that you know, I was not really
ready to do any of that because or say anything
because of the time in which we were living, you
know what I mean, like two thousand and six, like
being a kid coming from Pennsylvania being gay that was
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like the worst thing, and brown like being like the
gay boy, Oh my god, like that you have to
avoid that.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
No, it's like a double edged sword, isn't it though?
Because I think there there were some rough things and
there were definitely some bumps in the road in terms
of your sort of evolution, right, But had you stayed
in Bristol, bro like I think it would have been
so much worse.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
It would have been so much worse. I mean, I
think that, you know, also, the public scrutiny was quelled
by the support that I felt by all of you guys,
you know what I mean, and by like the powers
that be, like you know, all of our producers and
showrunner and the writers and like, you know, I felt
(30:54):
supported and was kind of like protected. But I think
and I think that that's you know, that kind of
leads me to this, this question of we both have
experienced so much like while filming the show, and have
gone through so much like happy and sad and difficult
(31:17):
and sometimes a myriad like or an amalgamation of all.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
But I mean, I got pregnant, I got married, You got.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Married, you got you got engaged.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Get engaged, that's right, Oh.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
My god, you got engaged.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
You came to the wedding and Lenny, yeah, Mark.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yep, you got engaged. Though I remember you came to
the apartment.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
From Greece from the one of the.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Sister sister the second one. She flew from Greece to
Puerto Rico. And I just feel like that's such what
like what an amazing like you really had so many
life changes really happened, Like why.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I was a certain age. Well job, funny that I've
stayed this same you're.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
The same age. It's the incredible Yeah, yeah, we'll tell
everyone though.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Your experience now watching the pilot, seeing you as a
little doing that, you with your braces and you what
did you think of yourself as did you think you
were a good child actor?
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Watching yourself now, you know, I feel so disconnected from
that child, you know what I mean? Like it, but
and all the while, though I'm watching the pilot and
I'm like, you could have done that better.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Ah, well every actor on the planet, you know.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
But that's what I'm saying. But even even though like
and that's why I say, like it feels like one
hundred and fifty years ago, but it feels like yesterday,
like it it. I remember shooting those scenes, but I
don't recall watching it and watching it again. But I
feel disconnected from that person. Not because I've ever wanted
(33:10):
to disconnect myself from the experience and from the show
in any way. It's just that like the like little
eleven year old boy with pre pew vestent whatever, I
would never want to watch myself who is and the
braces and the teeth so cute, the teeth that were
so jacked, so cute, they were so jacked.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Sorry, you were so cute. I can't even help you.
Oh I remember, okay, I also remember backtrack, backtrack because
I don't our table read. Meeting Ashley Jensen, I remember.
I remember she's also now like one of our besties.
We went to see her well, I went to her
(33:54):
wedding just recently, congrats Ashley. And we went to go
visit her in Bath when I was in Prague.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
That's right when I came to Progress.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
So she's still she's still like a major, a major
moment in our lives.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yes, and is I mean still just as incredible as ever.
I mean, America's one of our you know, that's our sister.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
That's our sister, mother to my son, you know, and.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Judith is huge homeo yours. Yeah, we're all like the
thing is is that it's it's i mean, Michael Yury
is still I'm still very very close to you know.
It's it's just the you know, in the.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Pilot, how everybody had like there was something that like
everybody did that was so iconically them, Like it just
it just made their character like Mark with the eye squint.
He just says, it's like eye squint. That is so
so that character. And Becky with her walk, you know,
and Vanessa with everything, and.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
You know what I mean, like each one of us
had and you would just your hands, which so by
the way, not acting.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Out, dare you.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Not acting?
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Not acting? A lot of it wasn't acting.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
It was was it was it was an unconscious choice.
Her subconscious choice just so funny.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I just watched in awe of how.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
I really and and that I feel like is a
and as we like dig into the to the season,
I want to really prioritize, like what plot lines or
you know, character arcs are still super relevant today because
I feel like there are so many.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Man the first episode, America is on the phone arguing
with the with the insurance company for Tony's medicine, right
exactly the and then and her first argument with with
Daniel is like, you don't know what it's like to
live paycheck to paycheck. You don't know what it's like
to live this life, you know. And then I just
thought that was so deep. But then he also what
was so interesting is that you did get to see
the other side, because annueal Mead was like, I granted
(36:01):
I don't have that. I don't have that, You're right,
and and that that sucks, but my brother died, you know,
And so he also became human in that moment. You
could see like, oh, like he has also suffered great
loss and here and just the fact that like these
writers were so great, so all, it's just so brilliant
of just making each character so complicated and and rich.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Well yeah, super rich. That was the word that I
was going to use. And I also think that, like
in the pilot episode, I think Eric maybe just did
a fantastic job.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
He sure did you know his hair, Yeah, his hair.
They had to dye his hair that color. He was
like a blonde, and it was like he would be
so mad. He'd be like it's a diamond hair.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Dark'd like get over it. But I mean, being so
hi Eric so multi like like when she's doing the
photo shoot and or when he's looking out the window
and telling her to stay there while he's like trying
to savage yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, and you can just
see the reflection of him in the mirror. Yeah, and
(37:03):
that he's kind of I don't know. He's just such
a like you just like forgive him, you do at
the end, you know, And and that's I think a
testament to the writing. But I think that that's like
just a testament to the actor.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
I'm watching the pilot and I rewatching it, and my
mom is watching with me. She goes, I don't remember
Vanessa's character being so so cruel, And I was like, well,
that's because you know Vanessa and she's so so kind
and nice and amazing, and like she was like, oh, yeah,
I guess that's right.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
And I think that like also just talking yeah, hello.
I mean also in terms of plot lines, I feel like,
you know, we're talking about insurance, we're talking about paycheck
to paycheck, we're talking about loss. You know, there's a
huge arc for Ignacia regarding immigration, and I think that
we're obviously as a nation, dealing with that in a
(37:57):
way that we have never dealt with before. And I
think that, you know, in terms of if we're going
to talk about the show being ahead of its time
in so many ways, I mean, I think in the
first season at least, I think that Ignacio's immigration story
is probably the most pertinent right now.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Right now. Isn't that amazing? Which is you know, and
it was handled so again, this is that Betty magic
of like just being able to make something that is
grueling and heart wrenching to make it like really heartfelt
and hilarious. Because Octavia Spencer, hello, Oscar winner, that's right,
was so flip and brilliant in playing that role of
(38:40):
her immigration of his immigration counselor. And I mean, didn't
she make up the name Nacho?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yes, yes she did. Academy Award winning.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Behavior, Academy Award winning behavior.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
We should get her, We got to get her on
the pond. Come no, seriously, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
I think you're right. I think that's that's what's so
cool about this show. But just art in general, when
it's good, it can really just like it can it
can change it? Can you know? We're we're we're able
to to affect, you know, I think so.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
And to be honest, I think that that's.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Soundings so, you know important. But I say a lot
of times, when you know a lot of people are
at a loss, I think maybe that's one of the
reasons why so many people right now are coming up
to us and being like young young people like I
love the Ugly Betty. I love this show. It speaks
to me so much.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah, all the time of that, and they love it.
But also, you know, and I think that this is
part of the reason why we're doing this podcast. And
when I and and and maybe what I mean when
I say being critical of the show is that a
lot of because of the young people that have approached us,
like gen Z that are you know that they weren't
(39:54):
even like cognizant when the show was total.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
So, you know, Marky telling me the other day that
he's a would you say you were?
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Oh god, I'm the last year of millennials. So I'm
texting I'm basically gen.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Z, so I said. So he texted me he said,
I'm azillennial And I just texted, what fucking ever? And
he texted back, that's so gen x of you.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Yeah, well you're you're a gen x apologist of the
day you die, right or die?
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yeah, they're jealous, but.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
I think that the let me say the nice thing
about what gen Z is saying. Gen Z's coming up
to us that are just watching the show for the
first time and they are so pleased with the representation,
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but also have like critique and rightfully, so I want
to talk and I want to talk to them about it.
I want to I want to talk like to them
about it and talk with them about it because I
think that that is what the purpose of making what
you know at the time, it was so provocative. But
even watching the show, even watching the pilot again last night,
(41:08):
my fiance was kind of like, this is like provocative,
like especially like for you know, two thousand and six
Thursdays at eight, right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (41:18):
And I notice how he had to say his fiance
right period, I'm getting married, but he literally like, we
can't have like us a conversation without the fiance.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Should I just say my boyfriend? Then he's gonna get
mad about that. And I can't say my husband because
then you'll be like, no, he's not. So I can't
win for losing. I'd be saying, I can't win for
losing with you. And while we're fighting, what are you
most excited for to do this pod?
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Well, I'm excited that I get to chat with you
and a lot because you're my favorite, and I'm excited,
like what you were just saying, I'm really excited to
I want to I want you know, everything has been
sort of like one way, right, Like you get like
fan interaction or people who watch the show however they
(42:08):
feel about it. But it's really it's not like we
haven't really had the chance to have that discussion about
the culture of it all, right, because so much stuff
happened on that show. I mean, the transgender of it all,
the immigration of it all, the healthcare of it all,
the you know.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
The breakups, the makeups, the black woman in power of
it all. Thank you, you know, I mean, yeah, there's
there's so there's just so much and I and and
I feel like any criticism that I've ever received about
the show was said like in good faith, like in
terms of like like they have they're able to contextualize
(42:46):
the show for the specific like like for the specific
time in which it was aired, right, you know, like
if we're talking about like the transgender of it all,
you know, it's we're having very different conversations now, but
we were not having transgender representation at all on that
(43:06):
work television period at the time in which we were
doing it. And I mean, you've got to give it
for both.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
I'm excited that it's that it's you and I having
a conversation also because I think as a gen X person, right, Like,
there's a lot of things that you know, I always
go to you like, Mark, what is this? What does
this mean? What can I say this? Can I do this?
What does that language mean? Is this inappropriate?
Speaker 4 (43:31):
Is that?
Speaker 5 (43:31):
You know?
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Because you know, I just yeah, I love that I
have somebody that I can have that conversation with safely
right right where I'm not going to be canceled or whatever, and.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
We're gonna and we're gonna say things that are not
like we all do Like I'm I too, am learning,
like I have to go to like your daughter now,
Like it's getting to that point where it's like what
does this mean? And like what what do you feel
about this? And like how do you interact with like
this or that? So that's that's really the thing that
(44:01):
I'm most excited about for the pot is just kind
of connecting with a younger audience that has just discovered
the show. You know, I think that the show we
know has already done so much for so many that
are now like my age and older.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
Right, but and the fashion of it all, Oh my god,
so I'm allagic. We have to so so Mark and
I were thinking we would do like a segment on
the show where it's like, what's your fashion fave and
what's your fashion flap of the show. So here, who's
the problem. It's Pat Field, who designed our show. I mean,
I literally was racking my brain to find a fashion
(44:40):
flop in the pilot. At least.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Was supposed to.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Be considered a flap necessary it's intentional.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Well, the truth of the matter is is that I
was I was kind of laughing watching the pilot last
night because I and and looking for the fashion fave
and flop because everything, uh, well, it's Vanessa's Versace suit
in the first one, the white one.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
That's right, well, she wore white the entire episode.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Exactly, the first one with the big with the big mine.
Of course that was it. But I mean all of
the Betty it was yeah Gianni right, yeah, and uh
but but all of the fashion flops of the time
for Betty. I'm like, every girl in Bushwick dresses like
this now, but like what like everything that Betty wore
(45:28):
and that in that first time Now they dress like
now yeah, yeah, not then, no, no, But I'm saying
like now, it's very interesting I think that it's going
to be fun for us to kind of look at
the fashions from that long ago to be like tacky.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Shoot right with all of the women in the latex outfits.
I was like, well, I mean it's not, but it's
still sort of iconic.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
It's iconic. It gives very David la chappelle.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Vie right, like exactly that, so just you know. And
then I was like the French photographer and he was
in his like down, I'm tuxedo, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
I was like, it still works, it works.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Well, he's also smoking.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
Yeah, he's very very handsome. That is That is the truth.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
But I think that the the yes, sorry, sorry hun whatever,
I love you the most.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
And uh no, I but I think that all of
Betty's outfits were very much to me.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Well, this is going to be a challenge to find
like a flop because.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
I and we you know, okay, I think that we
should have a rule about the flop. We can include
Tony Plana noir and you know what I mean, we can't. No, no,
we could do Betty. Betty can be included. No, because
this is what I'm saying. I don't think that any
of those outfits were ugly.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
I agree, but that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
But but but that's what I'm saying. But some of
them could be flops.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Okay, all right, all right, Well we'll see Tony.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Tony Plana is eliminated ofcause you can't. We can't put
him into the fold.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
No, he was in war.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
He was in you know, he was in an apron
or like a Dicky's work suit or a card. Again,
this is not fair, This is unfair. You know what though,
I will say, Actually, fashion flop of the episode is
Justin's purple first first look, because it was the first No,
(47:21):
here's the thing, it was the first episode of the show.
We didn't know who this kid was gonna be by
the time we get really any you turn it out,
I'm wearing head totemark Jacobs.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
That's right, you're turning yes, yes, yes, say two.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Oh yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
I mean, I guess so if we.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
Have to, if we had, if we had to choose
from everyone.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
Scause even Gina Gambarro was so dope by the way. God,
I mean, we got to get her too, A thousands
that's my girl too. I guess we owe you two
thousand dollars and fifty cents.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
If you know, you know that's right, and you do,
I know you do, you can ask ChiPT No. I
also think we can talk.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
About the food. The food, remember like in the pilot
when she had to shovel all that Oh yes, how
much she hated.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Oh my god. And by the way, I can tell
you because I was the only one there that it
was not flawn.
Speaker 4 (48:23):
What was it.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
It was like pancake with like tons of syrup to
make it look like flawn.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
You see. And once the show got picked up, I
have to say, because then we were shooting a lot
in the house and Tony's character always is is a cook.
He just cooks for the family, right, And our crew,
whoever was in charge of that, turned it.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
No, we actually I ate food. No, we ate that
food for real. And this is something like for those
of you that don't know normally the set, like the
kind of prop food that you're like when you see
a scene of people eating or whatever that's all made
like in advance and is sitting around for I don't
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talking to us, and it's disgusting, Like it's a boiled
chicken and a Brussels sprout like it's disgusting, and I
don't know, I don't know who they got to make
this food. But it was always hot, it was seasoned,
and it was it was plentiful. It was good.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
I'm pretty sure she was Latin, right, those rice.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
And beans were fierce. It was better than crafty.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
It was better than craft that's right.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
Sorry, No, I love that crafty dude. But I'm just saying,
I mean, well, I think we you know, like this
is so, this is what we want.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
We want to talk about the show as like a
cultural space and like what do you guys, what do
you have, what's your input? What questions do you have
for us? Like I want to I want to know.
I'm so curious to find out, like especially well, no,
especially from everybody, because I think people my age who
watch the show in real time like where are we now, right,
(50:10):
And also like for young people who are just discovering
the show, what like give us it like hit us.
You're not going to offend us, You're not going to
like hurt my part.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
I agree. I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
No, I want aspect of it, you know, like it
hits different now, but in the time, it was really groundbreaking.
And we're really really proud of it.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
I think we're extremely proud of the show. But I
also think that, yeah, I agree with you wholeheartedly. We
should just just don't hit us with some questions, hit
us with some knowledge that we might not know, or
your opinions. I know, but I'm so interested in like
unpacking it and analyzing it and thinking about it for ourselves, right, Like,
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we might not agree with you, but we would love
to hear from you.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
But that's gonna be our That's going to be our
our show, I think. And if you guys have any
suggestions or anything that you want us to like talk
more about. Yeah, we want to talk about fashion. We
didn't talk enough about the fashion.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
Well, I mean we have the entire season to talk
about the fashion.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
That's true. And it really evolved. I mean it really
did because I was looking.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
At like by the time we get to the end
of the first season, it's it's like I just can
recall that we were just dressed completely not completely differently,
but there was a sense.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
Of I didn't have any hair pieces in in the pilot,
that was just all my hair.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
Well, yeah, girl, because they weren't going to spend the
money on the pieces. If they didn't we picked up.
Come on, you've been playing this game for a while.
But I just, yeah, I think that that's what we
want to accomplish is kind of opening up a conversation
about our experiences and our opinions.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
Yeah, I mean, we love a trip to the memory lane,
but we really want to.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
Like get but yeah, but anyone can take a trip
down memory lane. I want to.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
And I'm going to have a lot of our friends
on from the show.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
Yes, we will be. Yeah, We're going to have so
many of our friends. We're gonna have so many people
that you wouldn't actually even expect that would be guests,
people that you might not know by name, but that
are so extremely integrals. Literally, Yeah, you know, Uh, we
have producers coming on, We have art directors coming on, designers,
(52:21):
you know, we have so many more people coming on
than just the cast. And I think that that's going
to give you guys a lot of context into the
fact that it really has taken a village to make
such an extraordinary and impactful and legendary show.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
So if you love Betty like we love Betty, We'll
see you around and Viva Betty.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
Well a sudden like someone like comes running up to
me and it's so highest and she's like.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
You want my ugly Betty. Sorry for that accent, and
I was like, what is she even talking about it?
Speaker 5 (52:52):
Before our first scene in the pilot, we were right
about to go into the into the house we've held hands,
and Marker said, let's remember this moment because I think
we're going places.
Speaker 4 (53:04):
Eipol comes in with the with the needle and he's like,
oh my god, is there a way that if I
give you and I have some little leftover, let's do
I do one of my eyebrows and lead the other
eyebrown off.
Speaker 5 (53:17):
Soho.
Speaker 4 (53:18):
Sliva already was like schemea likes.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
We took the glasses off our costume designer Catfield, Yeah
on to America Faire, like three days before we shot.
I remember being like, no, that's it, sorry for taking
your glasses.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
Viva Betty is a production of Propagate Content in partnership
with Iheart's Mike Wudura podcast Network.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
We are your hosts An Ortiz and markn Delocato.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
Our executive producers are Terry Weinberg, Lyn Lee and Diego Sapia.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
Our senior producer is Emily Carr, and the show is
directed and edited by Mark Acoms.
Speaker 1 (53:51):
For more podcasts, listen to the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast,
or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.
Welcome to Viva Betty.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
A new podcast about everything ugly Betty. I'm and I'm
markin Delocado.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Let's get into it. Okay, Hi everyone.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi, how are you doing? We are We are so back,
We are so bad. We are so back in a
way that I don't know if y'all are ready. To
be honest, I really don't think they are, because I'm
now a thirty year old man and you are still
a thirty five years old forty. It's really so it's
you know, it's exciting to see, you know, someone not age.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
So here we are. We just want to sort of
talk to each other and talk to you guys about
our Betty experience. We're coming up on an anniversary which
I cannot believe.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Twenty years that's could you imagine?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Not even possible.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I just, you know, it's it's crazy to me because
I feel like it was one hundred and fifty years ago, and.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yet yesterday totally I could not agree with you, Like.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I just I was watching the pilot last night for
the first time in nineteen.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Well, you haven't really Here's the thing that I don't
know if everybody knows this, but Markey hasn't really watched
the show.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I've seen I've seen two of eighty four. That's so
we've got a lot to unpack. You watch and I'm
watching the TV show with all.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
We're allady through this together, kind of like fresh and new.
It's so cool to watch Marky watch it because I mean,
obviously I watched every episode. I think I've watched every
episode fifteen times. And but you were saying, I mean
watching the pilot for me, it was so good. That
show is so flipping good.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
It was it turn it turns out it's a really
good show.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah, each one of ours.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I knew I watched. Everybody was in neat leave from daytime,
from like the first word they said.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
And you know what's so, what's so crazy about it?
I think that that, uh, just the longevity of not
only the experience on the show, but just in in life.
Is that like you're still my best friend. It's crazy
because I see you like once a week too much.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
In fact, there was a time I came home, house
was locked and he's sitting at the pool. Yes, your
girl has a pool, and I know Washington heights to here.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Period. The bottom knelled, well, Darling.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
So and all of a sudden, I see I come
home and he's just lying by the pool, just doing
his thing.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
That's right, I know the gate coade. What do you
think I'm stupid.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
We're close. Let me put it to you.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
We're close like that. I know where I know where
the keys are hidden.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
He knows where the boxes.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I know. I know the key code. And those dogs
don't bark me because they know they know what's coming through.
I need to heat up that Trader Joe's pizza. Thank y'all,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I met you and you were a little, tiny, tiny
little baby. Yeah, and you were so stinking cute and
oh my god, listen, I immediately turn into Hilda, like
right away you're here.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
You was so stinking cue immediately go.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I can't even help it, but you were you were
what eleven?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I was eleven. I was eleven when we shot the pilot,
and then I turned twelve when we were shooting the
first season.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, you auditioned in New York though, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I auditioned in New York because I was living in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yeah. Oh, I was gonna say. I was watching the
violt there's I think it's like the like what is
the scene you answer before you're like helloo.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I was like, I feel that too. I heard that too,
because it's so crazy, like whenever I go home to
Philadelphia and listen, you're half from Philadelphia. Well that's so
it's like whenever you go home, you know, it just
it just comes directly back to you.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
And then your mom was with us the whole time,
and she's like Philly.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
She had never left Philly, and and now well and
now she says, like Walter, like she has like a
weird Transatlantic accent. We live in like Katherine Hepbert. I
don't know. Anyway, we're off topic about the many. Yeah,
I love you, mommy, but you do have like a
(04:27):
Transatlantic accent. I mean, be for real. My dad hasn't changed, no,
and he never will, never will. Big Mark for life, Yeah,
Big Mark Philly. You want to talk Philly strong, Baltimore strong.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
So you walk in, it's like, let's see, okay, I'm
just trying to remember because you're you're this little thing
and we walk in. It was but wait was the
table read was in New York?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Everything was in New York, like you because you were
in La I was.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
I got the job in.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
La, right, and then you came to New York to
shoot the first Wait, before we get to the table read,
I want to talk about like what the audition process
was for both of us, because really you have a
really interesting one that I really I don't think that
like listeners or viewers or fans of the show could
(05:17):
imagine that this was your kind of trajectory.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Oh this is Hilda, this was the I was still
bartending my love. I was still bartending. I came in
for this audition. Well, first of all, everybody auditioned for Betty.
Literally really all the Latin actresses audition for Betty, and
I was like, there's no way, I'm not right for this,
La la la. I go in because you're like, well
it's a chance to be seen. Some hike is going
to be their most right, go in queen. So so
(05:46):
I auditioned whatever I get called back for Hilda. When
I auditioned for Hilda, Hilda was she had a mini van,
she was pregnant and married. There was aye, I didn't
know that on us it's honey, whoa real for real?
So who knows? Whatever. I came in, I did my
own thing, and I got the heart thank you Jesus.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
That is it's but again, like how crazy is it
for Like could you imagine? Like I mean, you're such
an incredible actress, like I think you can do anything,
but it's just like you, like you're Hilda, but I
know you know what I mean. Like and maybe that's wonderful.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
I think that's the thing about our show though, right,
is that they really got to know us and write
for us. I think had another actress cast, Kilda would
have been completely different. She might have stayed in a minivan.
I guess I've just got a minivan. Girl.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Well you're not. And you're also a New Yorker, so
it's just like you recognized like you knew Hill does.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
The other thing is I had no idea that we
were supposed to be Mexican.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I was full of well the lines were you know,
the lines could be blurred, y like just say it's queens.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
That's what I said, Jackson hys, That's what I said.
I know queens like my grandmother looks exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Look at Bridgerton. I'm just saying, you know, like they're
they're talking about, you know, the British aristocracy with all
different nationalities and races period.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Thank you. I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I mean so I I just I want to say, like,
I love the story of your journey to being cast
as Hilda, though I think it's one of my favorites
because I feel like that was very unique. I think
among like I think the entire cast, right, like going
in for a different character, being cast as like a
(07:46):
character that couldn't be more different, right, And sometimes.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
You hear experiences I hope this isn't too much like
inside Baseball, but sometimes you hear experiences from like people
who are like they're like everybody in this cast was
our first choice and this was a you know, and
I feel like our cast we were kind of like
we fought for them.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
We fought for it. We all thought well fought part.
What I will say is that, like, I feel that
we all fought for it as much as we possibly
could as people, essentially, you know, with with no power
to make the decision. But there were a lot of
people that really really fought for us. And I think
that the story that I heard about my audition experience, well,
(08:31):
I just recall it was an audition like any other audition.
I was an eleven year old boy, living in Philadelphia,
and my parents would take me to New York and
they made, you know, all of these sacrifices to get
off of work and whatever. Like you know, it wasn't
it surely wasn't like easy, right in hindsight. But so
(08:52):
it was just an audition like any other audition because
it was also like it was for a pilot. It
was not right right, And I didn't even really kind
of intellectually know what that meant, right, Like, it was
just like an audition, like you're going on an audition,
like memorize your lines or something, and I go in
and again I don't really recall feeling like, wow, I
(09:15):
relate to this because I didn't, to be honest, I
don't know how much you can really relate to like
as an eleven year old, right.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Like what experience do you have to bring?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
It's just you or just you. I was just I
was just acting like I was just doing my best.
And then I mean I think that I went back
in like five more times or something like that, Like
it was it was a very like long process.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Oh yeah, I went in. I went in a lot
of times.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
And I remember I remember like later on, like Silvia
telling me like that there was this number and I
cannot remember what the number was of how many like
boys audition for just and how many tapes they saw
or how many you know. And then on the I
remember my final callback before I met America because then
(10:11):
I had to test with America, was Sylvia just basically
being like, listen, we love what you're doing, but there
are people that are that need something different from you,
so just phone it in. He essentially told me to
like phone it in, just just just do it the
way that they want you to do it, because we
(10:32):
want you to do it right. And then of course
I met America at the at the screen test of
it all, and you know, this is pretty recently on
the heels of Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants. I'm an
eleven year old boy. You're in you know, I'm like,
that's Carmen. So I'm geeking like now, like I see
(10:54):
her get out of the elevator. I remember this so well.
I see her get out of the elevator. I'm sitting
there with my mom Lynn and I'm like, Mom, I
don't think I could do it, and she's like, what
do you mean you can't do And I was like,
that's Gorman. That's Gorman. She was like good. She was like, well, yeah,
of course, Lynn, I'm trying to be nice. She was like,
just go in there and do it. I mean, who cares.
(11:15):
And then I went in and obviously A was so
good and so sweet and so lovely, and then I
mean yeah, and then got the call that I got
in and they were like, you're shooting into New York.
And then when the first season started, they go, you're
moving to Los Angeles, right, And I was like, huh what.
And that was one of our friend speaking of moving
(11:38):
to Los Angeles. That was when we first really bonded.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, that's right. Remember when we went to go see
Double Worst.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
That's what I was just gonna say.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
We went out of that movie like this is our show,
this is our show. We were just like, this is
gonna be this is gonna be so major, This is.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Gonna be so major. Well also we didn't know how major.
Like we saw it like right when the movie came out,
and I remember you so distinctly going be like if
if this movie is a success, our show will be
a success. I remember it so distinctly, and I was
like okay, like I'm like twelve years old one. But
me and Lynn were like, oh yeah, but it was
(12:17):
so like and and that was you know, you really
you really took Lynn and I under our wing when
we came and moved.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Well, you were instant family, instant family. I mean, the
thing is that Lynn really understood me too, because I'm
not easy. I'm not an easy, go lucky birth No.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
You not easy. Oh my god, no, Hona, please don't
do that negative self talk.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I'm just being honest. I mean I'm not you know
what I mean, Like, I don't, I don't. We had
a lot of fun, but I'm you know, I'm like,
I'm very straightforward.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
But so is Lynn. Like Lena and I. We just
speak the same language, that's right. So yeah, so that
was an easy.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Fit for me. But I think what I you know,
I got like a little bit ahead of ourselves. I
want to talk about the first time we all met
each other. So like we're all cast. Everyone is in
New York, you know, we walk into this conference room
in New York.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah, in New York, that's right.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
In New York, and uh, we're.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Like, can we say can we say look this is
can we say that.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Can we talk about Willemina Slater. Yeah, it was. It
was not the It was not the Icon, the Deva,
the starv Anessa Williams. Originally it was someone else that
was less qualified. Yeah, it was someone that was less
qualified to play the role of Wilhelmina Slater.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
And no shade, she just wasn't Wilhelmina Slater.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
No, but she was not qualified to play that role.
It just, you know, just that I didn't.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Scare the fucking shit out of you. Excuse my language,
but didn't it because we did that table. Not to
jump around, but I'm jumping around. We did the table.
She's there, la la la. We we come back for
their like we're gonna do another table. We were like,
oh okay, and she's gone and incomes Icon.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Now here's the the house down.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Excuse me, Red, I mean I think we all like
applauded after her first while because because she if she
was not born to do anything, she was born to
play Wilhelmine slavey.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
I mean, come on, and and everyone and this is
the thing, especially like in gay world, you know what
I mean, Like the cis gay males love Wilhelmina Slater
because they're nasty and rude, just like that, I know,
and some of them a.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Lover for a whole other bag of reasons, you know.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
What I mean.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I mean, I just I remember in speaking of Vanessa,
is that like when we were filming the pilot, we'll
go back to for you know, first impressions, but because
now that we're talking about Vanessa, we can't stop that.
I was in the hair and makeup trailer with her
when we were filming the pilot, and my mom was
so like incensed, you know what I mean. And we'll
(15:14):
be and by the way, we'll be talking a lot
about my mom pot well, because I was I was
a young child, and she was there. She experienced it
with all of us, so but she was kind of
like a little incensed, and and she was like, Marky,
do you know who that is? I was like, no,
I don't know. She's like, that's Vanessa Williams. I was like,
(15:35):
who she's like Miss America. I was like what, Like,
I just didn't like understand. I didn't like it was
truly it was not clicking obviously. And then you know,
as I got older.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I realized why was she incensed.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Well, just because she was so starstruck she was. She
was incensed in like a in like a positive connotation,
like she was just kind of like she didn't know
what to do with herself, you know what I mean?
Because she was like, that's Vanessa Williams, and like, you know,
I think that that's I just think that that's such
a funny little anecdote. Back to the table, Raad, I
(16:25):
remember what you were wearing when we first.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
I don't remember what I was.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
You're wearing big old hoops. Something's never changed. Your hair
was shorter, your hair was short.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Oh yeah, Hilda was in her short hair era. Your
hair was in her she was in her like friendship
square nails.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I love a friendship square nail. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I was watching that pilot like, oh Hilda, what not
the square?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Now you're kidding?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
No, no, no, ma'am.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
All right, well then you obviously are.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Not in sexiness.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I know that you're a wife and a mother, but damn.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I mean, okay, anyway.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
So I had and you had a white dress on.
You had a white like sun dress on, and you
were wearing a a rope wedge heel open toed open Toad. Yeah,
I think that they were like your Chloe heels or
something like that.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
They're very cute. I don't know how who I thought.
I was bartending and getting Chloe shoes.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Listen, I did a lot.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
That's pre marriage, pre kids, baby girl.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I bought you know, I was. I was buying Balenciaga
in college with two dollars and fifty cents on credit.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
I can't pay rent, but I got Chloe shoes one period.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I'll find the rent.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Can I tell you I was bartending, bartending. I was
at this bar, this hideous bar, sorry for this bar,
sorry to this bar. But it's called like Paradise City
or Paradise Island or something like that. It's a strip
bar and it's nightmarish. And I was bartending the lunch shift,
which you can even imagine is just the grossest, Like
(18:08):
who comes into a strip bar during lunch on like
Pico Boulevard for those who don't know Pico Boulevard. It's grim.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
And did they did? They do like a continental like
breakfasts and lunch.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Lunch, so they had like a buffet of like wings.
It was so gnarly gross. And that was when that
was like the guys would come and be like, oh,
you you should be you should you should be up there,
you should and I'd be like, yeah, you should be
a doctor. But here we are, here, we are having
wings and you're.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Watching You're getting that, you're getting a double seven and seven.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
That's right. And by the way, she hates.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
You, and she doesn't want to talk.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
She hates you. She don't want to go into those
champagne rooms behind the eyes flat champagne. But so we're
in there, I'm bartending and all of a sudden, the
bar back turns around. He's like, Anna, is that you?
And I turn around because we had already shot the
pilot and the pilot we got picked up, but I
don't know. I have this weird thing like I have to.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Worry you're still bartending when I just not know.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Shooting we weren't shooting, and.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah, but we hadn't gotten picked up to series yet,
Yeah we had, and you were still bartending. Girl.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
I have a sickness. You are I'm so afraid of
I'll be poor poor is jumping like I'm like sucking up,
like you know what way again.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Listen, that's it. That is a hustler in the best
sense of the I'm seriously, I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
The back is like is that you and and it's
a commercial for Betty or so something like that. I
was like, oh, ship, yeah, I gotta go. I quit.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I quit, motherfucker's but shut up, like on the Spot
on that day, on the Spot on that day, you
were like doing I'm on TV. And this was before
was this before we started shooting?
Speaker 1 (20:06):
We must have been shooting bartend.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Did you were shooting?
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I did the same thing. I did a PI. I
did a show for NBC a million years ago with
Kristin Chen.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I remember this, loved her Friend of the Pod soon
to be. She was on the show, she was on,
she was in fact.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Anyway, and I was still I was shooting. This pilot
was like a multi cam for NBC called Kristen Shocking.
And I was still bartending during that.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
That is so wild problem.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
You have a real like there's something wrong with you now.
I was working at another strip bar called Cheetahs.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
I love Cheetahs. Firs celebrities, listen, I.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Want to know good tips. Good Keanu Reeves.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Period, because he's a nice guy.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
He rides the subway Drew Barrymore tips really well, sorry.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Woman off subject. What I really want to know, though,
outside of like what your favorite strip clubs in La
are or at least favorite, is what was your first
impression of me?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Oh? You were well, you were sweet as pie, cute
as a button. I was really you know. The thing
is that the actor in all of us, I think
because it was such a stacked cast, I just really
wanted it to be real, and I know America was
really Can I tell this story about when we were
shooting the pilot?
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Yeah, but I want to know what your first impression it.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
All lends in. It was like you just really want
to I wanted to bond with you immediately. So my
impression of you was you were not shy. You weren't
you were you weren't like gregarious or outgoing, but you
were very polite, you were very sweet. You really responded
to my sort of energy. You did like immediately like
you just got me. You didn't think I was being
(21:57):
weird or I don't know, maybe it's because we have
very similar sort of like background, upbringing family, but because
I was like I immediately hugged you, right, yes, immediately,
I was like you're my son. And then I immediately
claimed you as my son. And then Lynn was there
and I was like, oh, I don't know if she's
going to be down with that. She she was like,
here's your son, he's your problem now.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah. But the thing that I'm asking you that because
I'm curious about this this like child actor syndrome of
being like like a performer, Like it's just kind of
like that and not and like losing like losing your
(22:39):
semblance of like being a human and like being a kid,
you know what I mean. And I think that like
as we get into the season and you know, then
the the later success of the show, we'll talk very
much about what that meant to me personally and like
what I went through. But yeah, there were really intense time.
(23:00):
But I think that I've always been really curious and
I've never really asked you this of just about like
what how much of the kind of cringe child actor
miss did you get from me?
Speaker 1 (23:15):
None?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Really?
Speaker 1 (23:16):
None, none, not a lick And I don't remember there
was the one. No, none, none, Marquis. That's just you're
just not that person. You just aren't. You never you
were not You're not like an eager to please. You
just weren't that kid. You. You were very polite, you
were very nice, but you weren't just sort of like
in everybody's business. You kind of just sort of you
were a watcher. You were a really studier. And I
(23:40):
think also though we did make a point of like
including you as much as we could in like the
family stuff and the conversations and stuff like that, and like,
but I was again, like, I was hard when you
came up to me with the curse.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Oh yeah, that's a funny one. This happened very early
on because I was, well, first of all, I want
to admire my entrepreneurial spirit, because I started approaching everyone
with a swear jar. A swear jar, y'all, and it
was it was very light, fifty cents listen, but listen,
(24:14):
I was still forethought, I don't go for it. No,
you you literally said to me, I said, fuck you, motherfucker,
I'm not putting a dollar in your fucking swear jar.
Those are your exact words, verbatim. I recall, that's.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Right, I did. I'm sorry, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
And guess what, the swear jar died because then everyone
just jumped on the Ana Bandwagon and I wasn't able
to get any more fifty cents.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
No, No, I was because I cussed too much.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
That was the whole point. That's the entrepreneurial spirit.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
That was blackmail. That wasn't my jam.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
No I, Well that's a conversation for a different day,
being an entrepreneur blackmail.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
This episode of this I don't remember because I mean
I thought it was funny and I laughed right after
because I was like, oh, maybe that's too much, Like
did that hurt your feelings?
Speaker 2 (25:09):
No, you only made me cry once. It was it
was like one time in season two, I was wearing
the I was wearing the no No, that didn't make
me cry. That made me like, need to listen to
the Beatles.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
He was wearing a Beatles T shirt and I said
name one Beatles.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
And I was like, I got it at Urban Outfitters
on seventy seconds straight.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
So I was like, you need to listen to Beetles.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
And then I went and listened to the White Album
and was like, it's a great record. It is a
good record. I mean, you know it's.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Not your I get it. I get it.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
I don't like the Beatles.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Did I make you cry.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
You made me cry when I was wearing the like
the Yankee doodle. It was like sometime in season two.
I don't I don't, I don't know what episode it
was one again, because I have not seen this television program.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
It's exciting that we get to watch this with Mark.
I'm pretty scry.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
I'm excited. I'm excited to get everyone's like hot takes
in the comments. To be honest about like what I
am interpreting.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah, you know you were so goddamn cute.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
But I don't recall what it was. You made me
cry and then you felt bad instantly and like apologize
profusely for like two weeks.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
You made me feel so bad, But I'm sure it
was something I did, something.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
You just like, No, it was just like it was
getting later and like it was getting later and later,
and you know, for those of you that don't know,
like when you're under the age of sixteen, you can't
work more than nine and a half hours a day.
So they had to get me in and get me out.
It's like a very hard it's a hard out, you know.
(26:51):
And meanwhile, so they would shoot me out. But in
the beginning of the scenes and then everyone else would
have to stay and finish it. And so as an
adult actor, now you see it, well, I see the frustrations.
I see the frustrations that we might have for the
long hours.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
It was really fun. I remember, I remember. Now, okay,
I hope this Okay, I'm just gonna tell the story.
But remember when we were shooting the Pilot and we
were shooting a family scene and you, America, Tony Plana,
and I we all went out to lunch. On lunch break,
we actually like went.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Off, yes, yes, oh this is this is a good one.
Y'all are gonna love this. America is gonna love that
you're telling this to the world. By the way, she's
gonna love it.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
She was so here's the thing, though, she's so she
was so excited and she was so good. And this
is to what you were asking before. Like we just
immediately bonded, like the four.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Of us were like a like a sure thing.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
And so we had lunch, we were walking our way
back to set in America, She's just so excited. She's like,
oh my god, you this is so great. I love this.
I actually, don't you feel like we're a family, Like
I really feel like we're a family. Like told me,
you feel like you're like you're like my dad, and
and I feel like you're my sister, like my crazy sister,
and and and Marky You're just you're just like my
(28:15):
gay nephew. And you were walking up ahead of us
and you stopped dead in your tracks and you turned
around and I saw America's face drop and you were
just like Justin's gay. Yeah, And America was like, oh,
I don't. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Is that I don't And I was like.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Anyway, yeah, it does feel like we're.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
A family, and like I think we just kind of
like blew it over.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yeah, I mean because you're not.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
I mean, you were just a kid.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I just didn't, you know. I didn't know until later
in the show. Really like I knew that I knew
about like I knew that I was gay, probably like
in the second season. But it's just it's so stress
changed to see the ways in which you can be
(29:03):
at that time too. And I think that that's something
that we're going to really tackle in this podcast, is
like what the culture was at the time that we
were making the show, and the doors that this show
has opened to representation and also things that could perhaps
stay in two thousand and seven, you know what I mean,
(29:26):
in the odds, And that's something that you know, I
think that both of us are really passionate about talking
about because we have such reverence for the show and
what it has opened the doors for, but we also
are very I think that it's like a healthy criticism,
do you know what I mean? And criticism is like
a big word, but a healthy way to talk about
(29:48):
things that can just stay stay there, contextualize historically, you
know what I mean. But it was in that way
that I think that you know, I was not really
ready to do any of that because or say anything
because of the time in which we were living, you
know what I mean, like two thousand and six, like
being a kid coming from Pennsylvania being gay that was
(30:10):
like the worst thing, and brown like being like the
gay boy, Oh my god, like that you have to
avoid that.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
No, it's like a double edged sword, isn't it though?
Because I think there there were some rough things and
there were definitely some bumps in the road in terms
of your sort of evolution, right, But had you stayed
in Bristol, bro like I think it would have been
so much worse.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
It would have been so much worse. I mean, I
think that, you know, also, the public scrutiny was quelled
by the support that I felt by all of you guys,
you know what I mean, and by like the powers
that be, like you know, all of our producers and
showrunner and the writers and like, you know, I felt
(30:54):
supported and was kind of like protected. But I think
and I think that that's you know, that kind of
leads me to this, this question of we both have
experienced so much like while filming the show, and have
gone through so much like happy and sad and difficult
(31:17):
and sometimes a myriad like or an amalgamation of all.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
But I mean, I got pregnant, I got married, You got.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Married, you got you got engaged.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Get engaged, that's right, Oh.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
My god, you got engaged.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
You came to the wedding and Lenny, yeah, Mark.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yep, you got engaged. Though I remember you came to
the apartment.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
From Greece from the one of the.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Sister sister the second one. She flew from Greece to
Puerto Rico. And I just feel like that's such what
like what an amazing like you really had so many
life changes really happened, Like why.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I was a certain age. Well job, funny that I've
stayed this same you're.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
The same age. It's the incredible Yeah, yeah, we'll tell
everyone though.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Your experience now watching the pilot, seeing you as a
little doing that, you with your braces and you what
did you think of yourself as did you think you
were a good child actor?
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Watching yourself now, you know, I feel so disconnected from
that child, you know what I mean? Like it, but
and all the while, though I'm watching the pilot and
I'm like, you could have done that better.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Ah, well every actor on the planet, you know.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
But that's what I'm saying. But even even though like
and that's why I say, like it feels like one
hundred and fifty years ago, but it feels like yesterday,
like it it. I remember shooting those scenes, but I
don't recall watching it and watching it again. But I
feel disconnected from that person. Not because I've ever wanted
(33:10):
to disconnect myself from the experience and from the show
in any way. It's just that like the like little
eleven year old boy with pre pew vestent whatever, I
would never want to watch myself who is and the
braces and the teeth so cute, the teeth that were
so jacked, so cute, they were so jacked.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Sorry, you were so cute. I can't even help you.
Oh I remember, okay, I also remember backtrack, backtrack because
I don't our table read. Meeting Ashley Jensen, I remember.
I remember she's also now like one of our besties.
We went to see her well, I went to her
(33:54):
wedding just recently, congrats Ashley. And we went to go
visit her in Bath when I was in Prague.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
That's right when I came to Progress.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
So she's still she's still like a major, a major
moment in our lives.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yes, and is I mean still just as incredible as ever.
I mean, America's one of our you know, that's our sister.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
That's our sister, mother to my son, you know, and.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Judith is huge homeo yours. Yeah, we're all like the
thing is is that it's it's i mean, Michael Yury
is still I'm still very very close to you know.
It's it's just the you know, in the.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Pilot, how everybody had like there was something that like
everybody did that was so iconically them, Like it just
it just made their character like Mark with the eye squint.
He just says, it's like eye squint. That is so
so that character. And Becky with her walk, you know,
and Vanessa with everything, and.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
You know what I mean, like each one of us
had and you would just your hands, which so by
the way, not acting.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Out, dare you.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Not acting?
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Not acting? A lot of it wasn't acting.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
It was was it was it was an unconscious choice.
Her subconscious choice just so funny.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I just watched in awe of how.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
I really and and that I feel like is a
and as we like dig into the to the season,
I want to really prioritize, like what plot lines or
you know, character arcs are still super relevant today because
I feel like there are so many.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Man the first episode, America is on the phone arguing
with the with the insurance company for Tony's medicine, right
exactly the and then and her first argument with with
Daniel is like, you don't know what it's like to
live paycheck to paycheck. You don't know what it's like
to live this life, you know. And then I just
thought that was so deep. But then he also what
was so interesting is that you did get to see
the other side, because annueal Mead was like, I granted
(36:01):
I don't have that. I don't have that, You're right,
and and that that sucks, but my brother died, you know,
And so he also became human in that moment. You
could see like, oh, like he has also suffered great
loss and here and just the fact that like these
writers were so great, so all, it's just so brilliant
of just making each character so complicated and and rich.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Well yeah, super rich. That was the word that I
was going to use. And I also think that, like
in the pilot episode, I think Eric maybe just did
a fantastic job.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
He sure did you know his hair, Yeah, his hair.
They had to dye his hair that color. He was
like a blonde, and it was like he would be
so mad. He'd be like it's a diamond hair.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Dark'd like get over it. But I mean, being so
hi Eric so multi like like when she's doing the
photo shoot and or when he's looking out the window
and telling her to stay there while he's like trying
to savage yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, and you can just
see the reflection of him in the mirror. Yeah, and
(37:03):
that he's kind of I don't know. He's just such
a like you just like forgive him, you do at
the end, you know, And and that's I think a
testament to the writing. But I think that that's like
just a testament to the actor.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
I'm watching the pilot and I rewatching it, and my
mom is watching with me. She goes, I don't remember
Vanessa's character being so so cruel, And I was like, well,
that's because you know Vanessa and she's so so kind
and nice and amazing, and like she was like, oh, yeah,
I guess that's right.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
And I think that like also just talking yeah, hello.
I mean also in terms of plot lines, I feel like,
you know, we're talking about insurance, we're talking about paycheck
to paycheck, we're talking about loss. You know, there's a
huge arc for Ignacia regarding immigration, and I think that
we're obviously as a nation, dealing with that in a
(37:57):
way that we have never dealt with before. And I
think that, you know, in terms of if we're going
to talk about the show being ahead of its time
in so many ways, I mean, I think in the
first season at least, I think that Ignacio's immigration story
is probably the most pertinent right now.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Right now. Isn't that amazing? Which is you know, and
it was handled so again, this is that Betty magic
of like just being able to make something that is
grueling and heart wrenching to make it like really heartfelt
and hilarious. Because Octavia Spencer, hello, Oscar winner, that's right,
was so flip and brilliant in playing that role of
(38:40):
her immigration of his immigration counselor. And I mean, didn't
she make up the name Nacho?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yes, yes she did. Academy Award winning.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Behavior, Academy Award winning behavior.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
We should get her, We got to get her on
the pond. Come no, seriously, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
I think you're right. I think that's that's what's so
cool about this show. But just art in general, when
it's good, it can really just like it can it
can change it? Can you know? We're we're we're able
to to affect, you know, I think so.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
And to be honest, I think that that's.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Soundings so, you know important. But I say a lot
of times, when you know a lot of people are
at a loss, I think maybe that's one of the
reasons why so many people right now are coming up
to us and being like young young people like I
love the Ugly Betty. I love this show. It speaks
to me so much.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah, all the time of that, and they love it.
But also, you know, and I think that this is
part of the reason why we're doing this podcast. And
when I and and and maybe what I mean when
I say being critical of the show is that a
lot of because of the young people that have approached us,
like gen Z that are you know that they weren't
(39:54):
even like cognizant when the show was total.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
So, you know, Marky telling me the other day that
he's a would you say you were?
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Oh god, I'm the last year of millennials. So I'm
texting I'm basically gen.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Z, so I said. So he texted me he said,
I'm azillennial And I just texted, what fucking ever? And
he texted back, that's so gen x of you.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Yeah, well you're you're a gen x apologist of the
day you die, right or die?
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yeah, they're jealous, but.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
I think that the let me say the nice thing
about what gen Z is saying. Gen Z's coming up
to us that are just watching the show for the
first time and they are so pleased with the representation,
(40:44):
but also have like critique and rightfully, so I want
to talk and I want to talk to them about it.
I want to I want to talk like to them
about it and talk with them about it because I
think that that is what the purpose of making what
you know at the time, it was so provocative. But
even watching the show, even watching the pilot again last night,
(41:08):
my fiance was kind of like, this is like provocative,
like especially like for you know, two thousand and six
Thursdays at eight, right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (41:18):
And I notice how he had to say his fiance
right period, I'm getting married, but he literally like, we
can't have like us a conversation without the fiance.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Should I just say my boyfriend? Then he's gonna get
mad about that. And I can't say my husband because
then you'll be like, no, he's not. So I can't
win for losing. I'd be saying, I can't win for
losing with you. And while we're fighting, what are you
most excited for to do this pod?
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Well, I'm excited that I get to chat with you
and a lot because you're my favorite, and I'm excited,
like what you were just saying, I'm really excited to
I want to I want you know, everything has been
sort of like one way, right, Like you get like
fan interaction or people who watch the show however they
(42:08):
feel about it. But it's really it's not like we
haven't really had the chance to have that discussion about
the culture of it all, right, because so much stuff
happened on that show. I mean, the transgender of it all,
the immigration of it all, the healthcare of it all,
the you know.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
The breakups, the makeups, the black woman in power of
it all. Thank you, you know, I mean, yeah, there's
there's so there's just so much and I and and
I feel like any criticism that I've ever received about
the show was said like in good faith, like in
terms of like like they have they're able to contextualize
(42:46):
the show for the specific like like for the specific
time in which it was aired, right, you know, like
if we're talking about like the transgender of it all,
you know, it's we're having very different conversations now, but
we were not having transgender representation at all on that
(43:06):
work television period at the time in which we were
doing it. And I mean, you've got to give it
for both.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
I'm excited that it's that it's you and I having
a conversation also because I think as a gen X person, right, Like,
there's a lot of things that you know, I always
go to you like, Mark, what is this? What does
this mean? What can I say this? Can I do this?
What does that language mean? Is this inappropriate?
Speaker 4 (43:31):
Is that?
Speaker 5 (43:31):
You know?
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Because you know, I just yeah, I love that I
have somebody that I can have that conversation with safely
right right where I'm not going to be canceled or whatever, and.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
We're gonna and we're gonna say things that are not
like we all do Like I'm I too, am learning,
like I have to go to like your daughter now,
Like it's getting to that point where it's like what
does this mean? And like what what do you feel
about this? And like how do you interact with like
this or that? So that's that's really the thing that
(44:01):
I'm most excited about for the pot is just kind
of connecting with a younger audience that has just discovered
the show. You know, I think that the show we
know has already done so much for so many that
are now like my age and older.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
Right, but and the fashion of it all, Oh my god,
so I'm allagic. We have to so so Mark and
I were thinking we would do like a segment on
the show where it's like, what's your fashion fave and
what's your fashion flap of the show. So here, who's
the problem. It's Pat Field, who designed our show. I mean,
I literally was racking my brain to find a fashion
(44:40):
flop in the pilot. At least.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Was supposed to.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Be considered a flap necessary it's intentional.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Well, the truth of the matter is is that I
was I was kind of laughing watching the pilot last
night because I and and looking for the fashion fave
and flop because everything, uh, well, it's Vanessa's Versace suit
in the first one, the white one.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
That's right, well, she wore white the entire episode.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Exactly, the first one with the big with the big mine.
Of course that was it. But I mean all of
the Betty it was yeah Gianni right, yeah, and uh
but but all of the fashion flops of the time
for Betty. I'm like, every girl in Bushwick dresses like
this now, but like what like everything that Betty wore
(45:28):
and that in that first time Now they dress like
now yeah, yeah, not then, no, no, But I'm saying
like now, it's very interesting I think that it's going
to be fun for us to kind of look at
the fashions from that long ago to be like tacky.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Shoot right with all of the women in the latex outfits.
I was like, well, I mean it's not, but it's
still sort of iconic.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
It's iconic. It gives very David la chappelle.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Vie right, like exactly that, so just you know. And
then I was like the French photographer and he was
in his like down, I'm tuxedo, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
I was like, it still works, it works.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Well, he's also smoking.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
Yeah, he's very very handsome. That is That is the truth.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
But I think that the the yes, sorry, sorry hun whatever,
I love you the most.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
And uh no, I but I think that all of
Betty's outfits were very much to me.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Well, this is going to be a challenge to find
like a flop because.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
I and we you know, okay, I think that we
should have a rule about the flop. We can include
Tony Plana noir and you know what I mean, we can't. No, no,
we could do Betty. Betty can be included. No, because
this is what I'm saying. I don't think that any
of those outfits were ugly.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
I agree, but that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
But but but that's what I'm saying. But some of
them could be flops.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Okay, all right, all right, Well we'll see Tony.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Tony Plana is eliminated ofcause you can't. We can't put
him into the fold.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
No, he was in war.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
He was in you know, he was in an apron
or like a Dicky's work suit or a card. Again,
this is not fair, This is unfair. You know what though,
I will say, Actually, fashion flop of the episode is
Justin's purple first first look, because it was the first No,
(47:21):
here's the thing, it was the first episode of the show.
We didn't know who this kid was gonna be by
the time we get really any you turn it out,
I'm wearing head totemark Jacobs.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
That's right, you're turning yes, yes, yes, say two.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Oh yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
I mean, I guess so if we.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
Have to, if we had, if we had to choose
from everyone.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
Scause even Gina Gambarro was so dope by the way. God,
I mean, we got to get her too, A thousands
that's my girl too. I guess we owe you two
thousand dollars and fifty cents.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
If you know, you know that's right, and you do,
I know you do, you can ask ChiPT No. I
also think we can talk.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
About the food. The food, remember like in the pilot
when she had to shovel all that Oh yes, how
much she hated.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Oh my god. And by the way, I can tell
you because I was the only one there that it
was not flawn.
Speaker 4 (48:23):
What was it.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
It was like pancake with like tons of syrup to
make it look like flawn.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
You see. And once the show got picked up, I
have to say, because then we were shooting a lot
in the house and Tony's character always is is a cook.
He just cooks for the family, right, And our crew,
whoever was in charge of that, turned it.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
No, we actually I ate food. No, we ate that
food for real. And this is something like for those
of you that don't know normally the set, like the
kind of prop food that you're like when you see
a scene of people eating or whatever that's all made
like in advance and is sitting around for I don't
(49:06):
talking to us, and it's disgusting, Like it's a boiled
chicken and a Brussels sprout like it's disgusting, and I
don't know, I don't know who they got to make
this food. But it was always hot, it was seasoned,
and it was it was plentiful. It was good.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
I'm pretty sure she was Latin, right, those rice.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
And beans were fierce. It was better than crafty.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
It was better than craft that's right.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
Sorry, No, I love that crafty dude. But I'm just saying,
I mean, well, I think we you know, like this
is so, this is what we want.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
We want to talk about the show as like a
cultural space and like what do you guys, what do
you have, what's your input? What questions do you have
for us? Like I want to I want to know.
I'm so curious to find out, like especially well, no,
especially from everybody, because I think people my age who
watch the show in real time like where are we now, right,
(50:10):
And also like for young people who are just discovering
the show, what like give us it like hit us.
You're not going to offend us, You're not going to
like hurt my part.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
I agree. I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
No, I want aspect of it, you know, like it
hits different now, but in the time, it was really groundbreaking.
And we're really really proud of it.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
I think we're extremely proud of the show. But I
also think that, yeah, I agree with you wholeheartedly. We
should just just don't hit us with some questions, hit
us with some knowledge that we might not know, or
your opinions. I know, but I'm so interested in like
unpacking it and analyzing it and thinking about it for ourselves, right, Like,
(50:49):
we might not agree with you, but we would love
to hear from you.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
But that's gonna be our That's going to be our
our show, I think. And if you guys have any
suggestions or anything that you want us to like talk
more about. Yeah, we want to talk about fashion. We
didn't talk enough about the fashion.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
Well, I mean we have the entire season to talk
about the fashion.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
That's true. And it really evolved. I mean it really
did because I was looking.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
At like by the time we get to the end
of the first season, it's it's like I just can
recall that we were just dressed completely not completely differently,
but there was a sense.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
Of I didn't have any hair pieces in in the pilot,
that was just all my hair.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
Well, yeah, girl, because they weren't going to spend the
money on the pieces. If they didn't we picked up.
Come on, you've been playing this game for a while.
But I just, yeah, I think that that's what we
want to accomplish is kind of opening up a conversation
about our experiences and our opinions.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
Yeah, I mean, we love a trip to the memory lane,
but we really want to.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
Like get but yeah, but anyone can take a trip
down memory lane. I want to.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
And I'm going to have a lot of our friends
on from the show.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
Yes, we will be. Yeah, We're going to have so
many of our friends. We're gonna have so many people
that you wouldn't actually even expect that would be guests,
people that you might not know by name, but that
are so extremely integrals. Literally, Yeah, you know, Uh, we
have producers coming on, We have art directors coming on, designers,
(52:21):
you know, we have so many more people coming on
than just the cast. And I think that that's going
to give you guys a lot of context into the
fact that it really has taken a village to make
such an extraordinary and impactful and legendary show.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
So if you love Betty like we love Betty, We'll
see you around and Viva Betty.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
Well a sudden like someone like comes running up to
me and it's so highest and she's like.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
You want my ugly Betty. Sorry for that accent, and
I was like, what is she even talking about it?
Speaker 5 (52:52):
Before our first scene in the pilot, we were right
about to go into the into the house we've held hands,
and Marker said, let's remember this moment because I think
we're going places.
Speaker 4 (53:04):
Eipol comes in with the with the needle and he's like,
oh my god, is there a way that if I
give you and I have some little leftover, let's do
I do one of my eyebrows and lead the other
eyebrown off.
Speaker 5 (53:17):
Soho.
Speaker 4 (53:18):
Sliva already was like schemea likes.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
We took the glasses off our costume designer Catfield, Yeah
on to America Faire, like three days before we shot.
I remember being like, no, that's it, sorry for taking
your glasses.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
Viva Betty is a production of Propagate Content in partnership
with Iheart's Mike Wudura podcast Network.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
We are your hosts An Ortiz and markn Delocato.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
Our executive producers are Terry Weinberg, Lyn Lee and Diego Sapia.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
Our senior producer is Emily Carr, and the show is
directed and edited by Mark Acoms.
Speaker 1 (53:51):
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