From Chile to Illinois

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You are now listening to Waiting on Reparations production of
I Heart Radio. What is happening? My name is Dope Knife,
I'm Lincola Franca, and we are Waiting on Reparations. We
have a very special guest with us again. I've brought
back my homie who guested it for us when Mariah

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was taking some time off. He is the ex Army ranger,
cool dad and commentator himself, my homie John Hannah. What's
happening John? What's been the highlight of your week? Man? Uh?
My kid finishing up some antibiotic grounds and rappings the presents.
Uh yeah, are you doing the whole Are you doing

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the whole family thing? First of all? Like, like, you know,
just just so that week and our our guests can
be a little of you know, climate to you. Why
don't you just tell him about yourself? Oh no, no, job,
these mothers know you already. Yeah. I'm a former Army ranger,
but currently I mostly surfing, take care of my two kids,

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Zoe and Avery. That's my day. How's your week, Marien? Um,
it's been good. This is my first couple of days
of vacation. I'm taking two eggs off of commissioning to
sort of recharge because that ship will beat the hell
out of you. Um And so yeah, I'm just kicking

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back rewatching the Matrix trilogy in preparations for the new film,
which I'm very excited about. You I see that, I
see that. That's that's scrooge E look on your face, sir,
What do you I mean? I don't know, man, I'm
not gonna I don't like hating on anything that I
haven't seen, so I'm gonna refrain from passing down any

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sort of judgment. But you know, I'm like a Matrix stam.
I was. I was one of those weirdos back in
high school where I honestly could sit down and just
pantomime the entire movie for you, like in person, with
all the pauses and the beats and the dialogue and
like inflections like I was. I was nutsle with him

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like that. So I can't nobody downplay my Matrix bona Fetus.
But at the same time, it looks you know what,
It doesn't look bad to me. It just looks like
a regular movie. And that's what has me feeling like,
you know, I feel like if you put everybody in
the like just from looking at the trailer, if everybody

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was dressed as Iron Man in Captain America, it would
look like a Marble movie. And that's that's what's gotta be. Like,
got your little shook, Yeah, I mean, I'm sure it'll
be I'm sure it'll be dope. Now, will it be
like the matrix to sound like some nerd like, Well, actually,
I just I just don't know how matrix I want
to say, I don't know. I don't know how the
new one's going to be. But the old ones hold up.

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God's running around doing karate and computer ship. Everybody got
the slim little sunglasses on. Cornell West is in the
second one. I don't know if y'all remember that, remember that, Yeah,
he's in that ship. That's probably my first like where
I first started hearing about Cornell West. The corporate goons
are the bad guys. Love that, And then you get
to the Resistance underground and it's all steam punkin and

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like everybody's all tribal and ship. It's beautiful. Dude. They
couldn't they couldn't have just like done a little bit
of tweak to the wardrobe though, I mean, Kanus straight
up looked like then they came to the from the
John Wick for shoot on his lunch break to go,
they were just like, Yo, you don't even gotta bother
to cut your hair, cab. It was like, Yo, where'd

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you get those clothes? The matrix? Every time he box
on a John Wicks set, they just everybody's just biting
their tongue wanting to say it, but they can't. I mean,
it's Kanu not just the same character in every film.
He just walks from set to set wearing the same
fucking flowing black robe and sunglasses and just like I know,

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like same, like you know intonation lists, just staring with
his mouth slightly cave. There's an analogy I always like
to make Wick Keanu is. I would always say Keyana
Reeves is the Nellie of actors because he's not really
that good, but most of the joints that he's inter dope. Yeah.

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I mean, so it's like the same way with Nellie.
It's like somebody could Benchermon like, oh I don't like
his style, he's not using enough bars, and that might
be true to you, but like hot in here Ei,
like all that ship was dope. So people can like
shoot out canaries and be like he doesn't have range.
He plays the same character, but literally at least for
the last few years or so. You know what I'm saying.

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I'd say his his ratio is about fifty fifty. You
know what I'm saying. I think for like each one
that you don't remember, there's like John Wick or like,
oh man, he was in the Matrix. Oh he was
in that one. You know. So Cannery's batting averages for
you know what I'm gonna see. I'm just gonna shut up.
I'm gonna see it. It looks cool, you know, let's
see it. Yeah. Actually, I need to bring back the
Green Tent. And then I'm kind of nervous. There's only

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one of the only one with Chowski. I need. I
need both with Chowskis on my movies, you know what
I'm saying. Like we have both of them on speed Racer,
we have both of them on the first three Batrix.
I want both of them on this one. But we
gotta take make do what we got. So yeah, speaking
of making do and what we got, we got a
lot of different things to talk about this week. We're
gonna just kind of go through some of the recent

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happenings from Obama's music picks of the year to some
ship going down in Latin America. We're talking about what's
going on Fox News and potential coop coop coop. I
remember the first time I ever read the word coop
and I said it out loud, dumb, and somebody made
fun of me like I never said, I never said
that word before. I'm sorry, I don't know I didn't

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have have silent p on the end. But anyway, we're
gonna have all that and more for y'all after the jump.
All right, everybody, we are back with our pre holiday
is are we gonna? Are we gonna be back before
New Year's Um? I mean we can. I was playing
doing an episode next week, Okay, yeah, so then yeah,

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well I guess we'll be back pre neier. But we
are going to be doing this before Christmas. So as
we get ready for the Christmas cheer, we're gonna run
down some very depressing story, so depressing news stories for y'all.
Just give our thoughts about it. So first up, Mariah,
what you got? Okay? So, I mean this is perhaps
the source of cheer to some Obama put out his

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annual list of his favorite songs from the year went
Admittedly to me, feels a little bit tone death in
the face of, you know, the mas and miseration we
as a society are facing at the this pinnacle of
late stage capitalism. So what do you have? But yeah,
I'd like Nobody by Nas and Lauren Hill, which I
personally thought was a banger. Montero my Little not X

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also a banger. Head Shots I'd say ever Shot also
a banger. Um a Ventura by Bad Bunny was up there. So, like,
you know, his his taste runs the gamut. I think
it's something for which he's very proud and tends to
boast this time of everywhere here like, oh, I'm so worldly.
It wasn't all the ship. But I mean, why, like

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why do I first of all, why do you all
think he does this over here? I think that I
think it's like some pr stuff, you know what I mean.
It's it's it's considering that he's been doing it consistently
since his left office. It's one of those sort of
things that you can make like a press release about
and you know it just it continues on the quote
unquote legacy or the myth of Obama and just you know,

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maintains his cultural if I don't think, yeah, I was
gonna say, I just don't think he wants to end
up on a ranch doing paintings for the rest of
his life. You know what I'm saying. They don't have
a good track record. This is his that, this is
his that Yeah, yeah, I do. I do gotta say, though,
you know, I think it's I think it's lame to

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be honest with you, especially for what he for what
it for, what it is now, because it is kind
of like a taste, a taste making playlist for you know,
like liberal the liberal masses to follow Obama. So I
don't know, it seems like it would be iller if
he used it like Oprah used to use her her

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book club list. You remember that, You remember how like
like like off writers who hadn't yet broken nationally would
kind of like that would be their thing, like oh man,
like Oper included me on her on her book that.
So it would be kind of cool if the list
was filled with I'm not talking about like super super
little motherfucker's like me or anything like that, if I
just mean, you know, like some not like the most popular,

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if the if the three random things that you read
out are like some of the most popular artists in
the world, it just seems kind of I don't know, though,
for the Democratic Party, it's kind of ballsy. Like imagine
Hillary if Hillary Clinton came out with that list, Clinton
coming out with bud In, Isaia Shot and Little Not definitely,
but maybe I'm wrong. What do you think I wouldn't

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believe her. I mean, like I've got hot sauce in
my hand. That's what I wouldn't believe for like something
consultant like handing her a list of songs that she's
supposed to like. So then we do are we all? Then?
Are we all sitting here thinking that that Obama is
actually like oh man, I bumped Isaiah shot in bad Buddy.

(09:36):
Maybe I don't know. I hate to think that it's
so dry. It just sounds like an elevator in his house.
I don't know. I feel like that's wrong. I don't
know Obama I would I don't know. I would be
shocked if just like if if you could be like
a fly on the wall, I would be shocked if
Michelle in in Obama aren't listening to you know, late

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late eighties early nineties type stuff, you know, I mean
like Obama is like, yo, I'll make huge. Yeah you're
fifty that you you know, it makes sense that you're
you know that you're you're bumping like maybe you're looking
for the new post and didn't go some styles peace
that dropped something, you know like that. That to me
seems like, yeah, that's what was out when Obama was
in his like late twenties and early thirties and trip

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like that. Like, I don't think Obama's listening to a
bad buddy, but that's just me. Well, what I found
really interesting about this list is that it also um
featured an anti communist joint that we talked about actually
on our Cuba episode. It's called Patria Vida Evita Um,
which is if you recall, list has never recalled the
titles a twist and a slogan popularized by Fidel Castro

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in the n Revolution of Patriot Fatherland or death. And
so these anti communist rappers, some of them were expats,
you know, living in Miami or whatever, trained to sprays
into Patria Vita Fatherland and life calling for an end
to the socialist government in Cuba. And some folks have
said that this track is even like a CIA plant.
There's actually a long history of the CIA using arts

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to to destabilize or undermine left wing governments, including in Cuba.
UM and so I just thought it was really funny
um on their particularly considering, you know, under his presidency policy,
relations between the US and Cuba relaxed. Um they left
the travel restrictions. UM. Yeah, reopen their respective embassies and

(11:33):
stuff like that. UM. And I actually learned that all
of that was facilitated by Pope Francis. I don't know
if y'all know a lot about Grope Francis. I don't
know a lot about most popes, but I'm just gonna
go ahead and say that Pope Francis is probably my favorite. UM.
In his speeches, he's like endorsed you b I and
like urged like a radical response to climate change. But anyway,

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so he was like, yo, Obama have then like y'all
need a fucking chill with the embargo on ship and
star stuff started getting better. But nonetheless, Uh, it's got
this this joint on his favorite list. Um that may
have been that may have been you know, like some
way crafted by the C. I I don't know, I
think it's definitely politically motivated in my opinion, because, um,

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you know, like Republicans are making some inroads with the
Latino demographic for various reasons. Very good point, but one
of the reasons that that you know, that I've been
hearing is, oh, you know, a lot of especially older Latinos,
they have like they're they're they're they're more susceptible to
the right wing propaganda about socialism and communism and stuff

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like that. So I think that this, you know, this
could be you know, virtues like hey, we're anti communists.
I know, I think I'm thinking of the Brazil episode.
But I just remember that part icular song, like I
remember that ship being hard as fun. It is kind

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of the music video already, Like it's actually pretty like
it's somewhat of a banger. Yeah, it's see now that one.
Whether it's about communists or not, that ship sounds like
some ship that Barack Obama was listening to him. Ok,
you know what, Like that sounds like some dusty some
dusty boom bout. Although I mean it sounds like a

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response like do you remember in Seen when it looked
like Bernie was going to take the nomination, and you
had every large donor go on every news station saying
I wish he would just drop the socialist part. And
I feel like they have gotten scared, Like that's a
scary proposition if I can't make the younger people kind

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of like glom onto capitalism as it sits and they
start revolting. You have Black Lives Matter talking about police issues,
you have ant all the anti fascist movements for clear reasons.
I don't know, this seems like a bid for the
Democratic Party at least maybe maybe not consciously. I mean,

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i'd like to think it was. He seems like a
tactician in that way, right, He's like the Captain American President.
For me, I think it's like a little bit of
a little bit of both. Like I think there's an
element of it that is, like, you know, kind of oblivious, like, oh,
it's a it's a fluffy playlist and ship like that.
But I would not put it past them to be
to have that in consideration. I mean, it was it

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was a big it was a relative. It's a relatively
popular song, you know what I mean. It was something
that came up in me and Mariah search As when
we were talking about Cuba, you know, so yeah, I
can see that well. Speaking of toppling left wing governments,
um uh, there is a presidential election in Chile, um
Sunday and Gabriel Borick, a leftist millennial who were roast

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a prominence during anti government protests in two thousand nineteen.
They like hiked the subway fairs all across Tile and
people lost it and they were like mass protests all
over Chili's tule. So he like kind of came up
and all that. He got elected with of the votes,
handily defeating uh Jose Antonio cost whose grandfather was an

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actual Nazi like like like one of the one of
the like we fled to South America Nazis. Oh yeah, yeah,
like high up in like the Nazi military. Uh never,
you know, like yeah and yeah. And so it's in

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the aftermath of the election. It's been wild watching outlets
like the BBC like interview folks like the grandson of
Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet on their networks, and he's on
there talking about all the downfall of his great country,
like to which I say, l M A O fuck um.

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But then one article I read even tried to say
that like Chilean Jews were concerned about Boricks pro Palestine
stands even though and I repeat, his opponent's grandfather was
an actual Nazi um and not to mention, Chile has
the largest Palestinian population of any place outside Palestine. So
like it's just so funny, like people are just so

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trying so hard to discredit him doing a really poor
job because it's like, bro, like Homie was a Nazi.
You're you're up here dragging out like his the Pinochet's
grandchildren from like the basement. Uh right, you have to
do one or two things. You have to give something

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to most people that they did they like and cherish,
which is really hard to get through any congressional body,
no matter what country you're in, unless you're a dictator
or you take away something and blame it on the
other guy. That's pretty much how we do it here.
I think that's kind of simplified. But people's brains, I
don't know, people's brains be turning into because it's like

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look for no for real, man, like come on, like
like just what is the explanation for that? Like like
how like what what cognitance? What dissidence is going on
to where you're like, oh man, you're supporting Palestine and
the other Niggas and Nazi you know what I mean,
or like you know, related to Nazi. Just there's just

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there's like a there's like a level of intellectual dishonest
that it's like I don't believe you. I don't believe
that that's what you're problem is, you know what I'm saying,
Like like if somebody's like, oh man, I don't like
him because he's he's against Israel, but then you're supporting
the other guy, then I just have to like think
that you're being disingenuous from the job. You might like

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really actually not like the guy for you know, leftist
policies or whatever whatever. But I don't think that aspect
of the game is really what's upsetting. Does that make sense? Yeah,
for sure. I mean I feel like somebody like they
were told to write this or felt like they were
they had to like kind of uphold the status quo

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of like, you know, our country lots of country supporting
is real, and like they came back to the editor
like I don't know, man, I'm not sure if this
is making sense. They're like, no, we gotta run it.
Let's run it, like, don't ask you know, don't ask
you questions, don't actually apply any logic to what you
have written down on this piece of paper. Run it's
see the headline and just retweeted or whatever, like oh

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my god. Yeah that And maybe we'll do a whole
episode because the history of like left wing like democracy
democracy in Chile is very interesting. Um, but I won't
get all into it now, but hey, we should, you know,
I was just thinking this just reminded me, and since
we're just talking and just gonna talk, we should do

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an episode about China's growing influence on the continent of Africa. Oh, bro,
that ship is fascinating. I was doing some reading about
that too, because when I was a kid, you know,
growing up just in different countries in Africa and stuff,
I would always you know, see, there was always like
a military relationship between some of the governments and Israel.
So you know, I like my first actual real girlfriend

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was like an Israeli and her father was like an
Israeli military guy, and I always used to seeing Israeli officers,
you know, patrolling along with Liberian or African police or
um training them and stuff like that. And now I
think it seems like China's kind of in in the
last few decades. It seems seems like China's overtaking that

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role to where they're doing a lot of that training,
a lot of that infrastructure investment and stuff like that.
And I mean, obviously nobody's given anything for free, so
you would imagine that there's some sort of, uh, whether
it be political or economic interest in it for China,
but it just it seems like they're going into hyper
drive with it. And you know, there's a lot of

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a lot of infrastructure projects and going on in Africa
right now that are totally cool and seemed totally you
know cool, and it's like, oh man, that's like a
that damn is a Chinese investment. I wonder, I wonder
what what's what they're getting out of that, But that's
something that we can go into. It's just so we're
talking about, yeah, stuff for the new year. Um So
back to Obama. What do y'all think about Obama's legacy? Generally,

(20:22):
it's a it's gonna be a mixed bag, you know.
It's um, I think it's it's still too fresh to
really put into full perspective. You know, the homies only
not been president for four years right or through five years?
So um, you know, I think from from anything from
oh Trump came in the aftermath to you pretty much

(20:46):
continued Bush's Iraq policy for a long ast time. You
weren't strong enough, You didn't do enough when you have
the super majority. There's a lot of tainted stuff in there,
but I think there's enough platitudes too, had the stats
that I think overall his legacy will be as favorable
as an American president's Canada too. Yeah, I think that

(21:08):
it's gonna I look at it favorably, mostly in comparison
to now. I don't remember a lot about Clinton all
except for reading like everybody else did. Right. Um, I
think that Obama will be looked at super kind. Uh.
I think he made some poor, poor military decisions and
foreign policy decisions, and he was just real timid about

(21:31):
making any large changes in the United States. And I
think he was far too timid. He could have got
away with a lot more, especially with the super majority
in the beginning. But I mean, he acts like his
hands were tied behind his back, like Biden's kind of are,
but they weren't. I don't know, but that's also the
congressional fault at that point. I mean, I don't know

(21:51):
that's true. You generally have a very short window in
which to accomplish anything when a party gains a majority
in Congress, because almost in a dobly they lose that
majority in the following mid terms. But it's so funny.
I got into an argument, like on Facebook with this cat.
I was like talking about Obama and this dude with
like no profile, pick like six friends or some ship,

(22:13):
jumped in. I was talking it on me, and I
was like, you know what, I don't even like the
flex on niggas like this. But I went through and
laid out all of my legislative accomplishments, including raising the
minimum watricity employees in fifteen dollars an hour, and he
was like, that ain't ship. And then I was like, yeah,
you're right. Wouldn't have been great if the most powerful

(22:34):
person in the world from two thousand eight until two
thousand and sixteen had done something about that issue. So
I did, so we could be talking about twenty three
dollars an hour today. And he didn't respond for some reason.
I don't know what. I don't know why but yeah,
I mean I feel like Obama like I can first
for his ass and I was like seventeen, you know,
I couldn't vote. I was like mad, like hype, and

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I feel like coming to understand some of the darker
parts of his legacy as an older quote unquote older
adult was like my Santa Claus moment of like when
I was like seven and like saw the presence in
my parents closet, was like what the hell he like
become like turning twenty seven and being like, what do
you mean? Black wealth fell my under Obama? And like

(23:21):
he didn't prosecute any of the people responsible for the wide,
widespread admiseration of the American people given the two eight
financial crisis. You mean to tell me none of those
my fathers went to jail. The stith that you don't
realize at the time. It's like a perfect storm for

(23:42):
Obama because you know, like he I think he cracked
that code of like a alright, so this is the
sort of this is a sort of leftist tone that
I gotta strike while I'm campaigning when he's actually more
like an your liberal moderate and stuff like that. So
on his end, what was working to his disadvantage is

(24:04):
like he's like he had to run kind of like Bernie,
and it's like, you know, it's like it's if you weren't,
if you weren't really like like paying attention to it,
like you know, the way that we all might be
paying attention to elections now and stuff like that. It's
like I I remember, like following that election, like Obama
was sounded like Bernie like while they were running, And

(24:24):
I think that with that came a lot of expectations
that he'd never had any intention of living up to,
like mother Like Motherfucker's was really like, yo, dude, I
bet you after the first year, he's gonna grow his
after a while, you know what I mean. Like people
were really having that sort of expectations in Obama, like
he was about to come in there and like really

(24:47):
in turntables over like I can't take this ship no more.
And I don't think that ever was his intentions. So
it's like, very early on in the presidency, there was
like a you know what I mean, why, Well, if
I've learned anything about governance is that the machine itself
will moderate you. Like that's why I support pretty much

(25:09):
the most left wing candidates I can at any time
that I can, because I know that they won't actually
be able to govern that way. That the machinery of
of you know, the swamp of the legislature or whatever,
you know, even just the establishment within your own political
party will break you and and push you into line.

(25:30):
And so that comes as no surprise to me as
Obama running kind of like a burniesque populist campaign and
then ultimately like you know, getting shoehorned by Wall Street,
getting uh kneecapped by the loss of the Democratic majority
after the mid terms, after his um election, etcetera, etcetera. Um,
you know, it's just like it's just it is what

(25:51):
it is. Kind of you know what kind of gave
him a lot of cover to is Um and Patrisa.
Neil kind of had a had a bit like this
back in the day. We're here talking about this, But
I think like that was the beginning of the Republicans,
like just like completely out in the open flirting with

(26:11):
like just straight up white supremacy, racist ship, you know
what I mean. Like it was there's a lot of
like dog whistling and plausible deniability type of ship going on.
But it's like when Obama got in. That's when it
was like I accidentally came to work today in my kkknif.
I'm sorry, guys. So I think a lot of that
shielded Barack Obama from criticism, because I know, even me

(26:34):
back then was like, oh man, what the fund is
this dude doing with the super majority? Fun these Democrats
is messing up. But I'm not fun these Tea Party
guys though, you know what I mean. It's like I'm
not gonna go with them too hard because the other
motherfucker's got nooses at their rally, you know, yeah, right up.
I haven't seen this corroborated in the media, so y'all

(26:56):
like if you have seen any sort of confirmation that
this is true. This is like a wide bread leftist
myth that Obama stepped in during the primaries to get
and uh, you know, Amy klobchar to drop out and
endorse Biden so that Bernie could not you know, it
was just like there's nothing he could do to stop

(27:17):
the time. Okay, Like I hear about the phone call
a lot, but it's like, I don't know, I haven't
read any additional details on it. Um, Yeah, it's not
really it seems it seems like some ship that you
would expect. But I know that's what I'm saying, Like
it seems like some ship that you would expect, but
that you can't just always lean on that. It's like, well,

(27:39):
this makes sense to have happened. That's how you get
like it makes sense that there's a microchip in the vaccine. Well,
I mean, it's like, I don't know, I would expect that,
you know, any sort of like entrenched power in some
sort of situation like that, they're gonna, you know, they're
gonna pull out their their big guns at the end
of the day when they when they felt like a

(27:59):
it's like our guys gonna lose, they consolidated their power
and they did they did what they had to do.
I don't know, you know that that sort of thing
does never really personally, it doesn't really make me upset
because it's what I would expect, you know what I'm saying,
Like if Bernie, if Bernie had a bigger or if
if the if the leftist part of the Democratic Party

(28:21):
had more influence and we're ingrained more in the infrastructure
of the Democratic Party, I would expect us to consolidate
our power to and to stop establishments figures from gaining power.
You know, it's just the ship is gonna be you know,
at the bottom line, that ship is gonna be hard.
It's like you can't. Yeah, on one hand, you can't.
You can't, like your rhetoric be man, the democratic establishment,

(28:45):
the democratic establishment, the democratic establishment, and then when the
democratic establishment does democratic I can't believe you guys would
do that to me, Like what like no, Like no,
They're they're gonna look after the Buddha judges. They're gonna
they're gonna amplify the voices that they want. We're we're
working at a disadvantage. We know that, so we know
it's uphill battle. It's just it just comes down to
whether you're like this, there's nothing we can do, or

(29:07):
you're down to put in the fight. You know. I
partially bring this up because I've recently seen comparisons for
the way is that Obama wheels his influence over politics today,
as in, you know, he made that phone call to
stop Bernie, But where was his ass when earlier this
week Joe Man killed Joe Biden's signature piece of legislator,

(29:31):
Like where like Obama could have Where was that where
is that phone call? He was Obama was doing the
same thing that he does exactly when when it's like that,
that motherfucker just comes up, like the week before an election.
It's like, you guys, another two years and so and

(29:53):
so with that, I will pivot to discussing build back
Better and the fact it's fucking debt. So is it
officially dead? So Joe mentioned announced just as the Senate
was closing up shot for the year that he wouldn't
be supporting the current iteration of the Build Back Better bill,
effectively dooming it. I mean, it could re animates in

(30:15):
the new year, but nothing like it, you know, with
even more reduced provisions that are currently in it. You know,
it contained extension of the child child tax credit, produced
prescription costs, covered hearing benefits, and medicaid, huge investment, affordable housing,
so like it could come back with less of all
of that, but for now, already less of it was

(30:37):
already less of a bunch of stuff to begin with.
That it was already down to ten trillion dollars to
one point seven. So that's pretty bleak um, I mean,
so okay, So and maybe maybe Maria you can help
shed or help clarify this. Um So, how much of

(30:57):
this should heads be blaming Joe Mansion, Kristen Cinema or whatever,
and how much of this should uh, you know, rightfully
go to general Democrat fecklessness. So yeah, I was having
this discussion with some of the other day that was
bitching about Joe Manchin, Joe Manono mansion, and I honestly
see this as a systemic failure. This is the failure

(31:18):
of Chuck Schumer to break some motherfucking kneecaps. This is
a failure of Joe Biden. They put out like this
excoriating statement like fun this nigga, he said all this
ship hit about. You know, the thing came out about
him saying people are using the child text credit to
buy drugs, which like, if you are having kids as
hard if you got smoke, you need to relax when

(31:39):
that baby is just like, I don't think he's I mean,
it's all I think it's a false premise, but it's
like I think that he's trying to project something stronger
than weed. Well, of course he's also the motherfucker that
wakes up on a yacht and drives past his constituents
begging on their knees to d clie to change. Although

(32:02):
the Democratic leadership knew for a fact how he was
going to vote on that, his voters. You can pull
his constituents right now and you can watch young turks
and they'll talk about like how popular certain bills are
and I'll agree with them. But his voters would not
go for it unless it was super super sold to them,
and it wasn't. It was sold to me really well,

(32:24):
I'm I was all about it when it was like
ten billion dollars. Yep, sounds great, should probably add some
more to that. And then they dropped it. I was
still for it. Anything's better than nothing, But I don't
think he would have ever voted for it. They knew
that was coming. How did they not know that was coming?
It is my question? Yeah? So what? So here's the thing, though,
So Mariah, what could they have done? Like, Okay, let's

(32:45):
say let's say that his turn wasn't like a last
second thing. So let's say that we knew four months ago,
five months ago that no matter why, he's gonna gonna
screw the bill. And to say no, what could the
Democrats have been doing in the past five months to
get around that. I don't know. That's the thing is

(33:06):
that I'm sure there are incalculable tools in the presidential
and senatorial toolbox to get that negative fucking do the thing.
If it's like, oh, we're gonna put out a primary
challenger against you next week and they're gonna have the
full funding of, you know, full backing of the Democratic Party,

(33:26):
I'm gonna saying, Kamala down there and goddamn mass I
don't know, Snoop Dogg down there to like stop for
this guy, strip him off, Strip Joe Mansion of all
those committees, threatened stripping of all those committees like they
always do with the fucking Republicans when they're on their function,
like they try to do with Marjorie Taylor Green and
Lauren Bolbert, not them. Um, They're like, I can't even

(33:50):
imagine the a math, the massive things that are probably
available at their disposal to get him off fucking to
like do the thing. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, and I'm
sorry didn't want me. I didn't mean to cut you
off my bed. I mean you know that like Joe
Biden and them are also in like Nancy Pelosi are

(34:10):
in the pocket of like big oil and big tech
and all these industries that are probably lining his pockets
as well. You don't think they could have a word
with Jamie Diamond or whoever at the fucking I don't know,
Goldman Sacks and be like, look, we really gotta get
this bitch to do this thing. Okay, just like Hill
a little bit, like there's so many things and so

(34:31):
I mean, and it also speaks to just the inherent
undemocratic nature of the Senate. The Senate is just ambolished.
The Senate bolish Senate. It's not fair that a single
person that represents two people can block an agenda that's
popular with sev of the American people, of tens of
millions of people all across the country who need child

(34:52):
tax credits, who can't afford hearing aids, who can't afford
the prescription drug costs, blah blah blah blah lah, and
so the Senate just sucks. The Senate needs to not
exist at all, and so that in itself is a
systemic failure. I think the my my takeaway from like
some of these things that with the Democrats having trouble

(35:13):
running through some of the agenda that they have is
like it. It seems like they're too worried about maintaining
like a status quo that's destined to not be there.
So it's like, you know, even though I'm not like
completely up to speed on the minutia of the situation,
it's just like there's a lot of things where it
seems like the Democrats are saying, oh, we can't we

(35:37):
we would have to take this out, like the filibuster
for example. It's like, hey, we'd have to take this
step on the filibuster so that we could you know,
push through, build back better or something like that. But
we don't want to touch that because if we touch
the filibuster change or something like that, then the Republicans
are gonna be able to use it against us when
we're not in the majority. And the whole thing is like, yo,

(35:58):
they're gonna do that anyway, and that that is you know,
and it's like, you mean, m Christopher or Goldsmith are
gonna kind of touch on it in our talk, but
it's like the Republicans are gonna pack the court. So
so it's like the Democrats can like, oh, we don't
want to do it because it's the fundamentally blah, blah blah.
It's like they are going to do it, you know

(36:20):
what I'm saying, Like like if they were in this situation,
whatever ship that they have to do to fundamentally change
the institution forever and stuff like that, They're gonna just
do it and then we're and then Democrats are gonna
be sitting around crying that they they told you that
four years ago when they didn't put Mary Garland on
on the seat, that they don't give a funk about

(36:42):
the rules and ship like that. So the whole like
playing with kids gloves and it's like, hey, we're trying
to maintain civility and blah blah, bah blah. It's like
I can't believe that after four years of Donald Trump
that Democrats are still on that ship. And it's like
they're gonna sunk around and have us all in concentration
camp doing that stupid shift for real only matter time.

(37:10):
Speaking of bleak shit, UM, at least six Amazon workers
were killed in the warehouse and Edwards Built Illinois last week.
While tornadoes bore down on the distribution at on the
distribution center where they're teaking refuge and um, the warehouse
roof collapsed upon them. So it's deeply sad. I mean,

(37:31):
there was an incredible horrific wreckage all across you know, Kentucky,
in the in the Midwest as a result of these storms.
But to think that these folks, you know, Amazon has
a policy where they like take people's phones at the
beginning of their shift to like increase productivity. Thinking about
people that weren't able to call for help. Um, that
these folks were out. A lot of these delivery drivers,

(37:52):
um were among the folks that got killed, were out
on their shift trying to deliver packages in the middle
of tornadoes. And we're like, who, I think we should
get back to the warehouse. This is getting kind of
sketch out here, and you know, try to go hide
in the bathroom, but by that time it's too late. Um.
It's just really, really deeply sad. A sad account that

(38:13):
I saw was um a text message exchange from one
of the employees who was in there, UM where he
was like telling his life, Okay, you know, we're among
we're on the way because the storms come in. I'll
be home and a little bit and stuff. And then
sometime goes by in between text messages and she's like
hitting him back, and he's like, Oh, they won't let
us leave, we gotta stay. Yeah, and then I mean

(38:34):
that sounds. That sounds there's a liability there. You are
liable as a business owner for the safety of your
workers and if any worker or family, Memer can prove
beyond even like a slight shadow of a doubt that
they had the responsibility at the moment they knew it
was coming, and they knew it was coming. How long

(38:54):
was that tornado track? Do you know? I don't quite
remember off him, but it was. It was some unbelievably
long tornado track of just the storm cut depositing one
after one, so it was coming. It was probably had
a warning. I don't know how long it had a time,
but if it was an hour or two, they're screwed
as a company. Why would you do that? That's insane.

(39:17):
Isn't this on the heels of them trying to do
union busting, because that that was like this couple of
weeks ago. Yeah, they just declared that they're going to
have a new election down in Bessemor where they try
to unionize the first UH Amazon distribution center in the country.
But like other than declaring, they got to do a
new election to slap them with some fines. Oh fifty

(39:38):
dollar fine, don't give a ship. That's like, that's like
pocket change with Jeff Bezou, So he'll be like Wen'll
be like, oh, just add a couple of extra zeros
on the end of that check just because sweeten the deal. Like,
who the funk? You know? So what is true accountability
in this case? Even if a lawsuit is won. I
would be very happy those for those families to get
that money, but it doesn't really do anything truly punitive

(40:01):
to the bosses that created these conditions, because they will
just you know, go about begging their billions still and
those people will never those people will can never be
brought back ultimately. Um So it's darts. I wanted to
put that out there as a reminder though, as we
approach Christmas, etcetera, like don't try, like, don't use Amazon.

(40:23):
I know you, I know, I know, I love getting
the ship in two days and like not happen to
go through the home depot and find the fucking ship.
But there is I don't remember the name of right now.
There is a browser extension or you can go on
Amazon find the thing. That you want, and it will
tell you what other website has the thing, and you
can click you can click on it, you know, take

(40:44):
you to the other website we can buy the thing before.
And so, like all kinds of alternatives out there, don't
support these motherfucker's with their union busting and their literal
like just negligence for human life. How the fuck that
the thing I picked an hour ago get to my
house without a drone because like this dude woke up

(41:05):
from a nap in his car and threw it at
my door. And I'm like, this is unbelievable, and who
died to get me this ship? This fast? Something wrong?
It's not really wrong. But the story also raises the
issue more generally of climate change because the series of
storms this severe in the Midwest. I mean there's a

(41:27):
lot of tornadoes up there generally, but this is just
like almost unprecedented and generally warmer, warmer winter period just
all around. And oh yeah, I was out on a
walk the other day and I was like really bundled
up because it's supposed to be fucking cold, and I'm like, oh,
I'm sweating a little bit, and like I'm like, okay,
enjoy it. Just enjoy it. Have a nice time. The

(41:48):
birds are singing, it's sun shining. But like I just
like the weight upon me of like the promise of extinctions.
Just like, yo, this ship. Actually, this is not cool.
It's not cool. I heard a motherfucker talking about it
being sixty five in Milwaukee the other day. Not cool. Yo,
that ain't like for real, And I mean anybody who

(42:10):
knows anything about Milwaukee in December, that's like day after tomorrow.
The heat dome they had in Canada, that was the beginning.
They had people die because there was a heat dome
in the beginning of winter. Wait wait, wait, n what's so?
It's like, imagine a rain system that sits above like

(42:32):
a city that also has sidewalks. The it just it
basically creates a positive feedback loop where the heat from
the storm is capturing all the heat right and then
all of the rising air from the sidewalk is causing
it to get stuck and trapped because the cold air
around the storm is is sinking. So what you have

(42:53):
is like a dome of heat and like the size
of Texas. I think he killed ten people, yo. Yeah. Yeah,
But there's the next level to this is so Amazon
not having a centralized mailing system, so our post office
is highly efficient. It just is it's super centralized. We

(43:16):
have it to a bare minimum of like gas trips
from here to here. If there's a local dude that
Amazon can call deliver my package quicker, that's awful. How
many packages did he have in his car too? For Like,
that's not good. How did they get to his house
a whole another driver? Why didn't it go to a
central location? That doesn't make any sense. The cost of

(43:37):
that is the environment on top of their other ship
that I don't think anybody's gone that. I didn't even
think about that. So they're robbing us of our president
killing people out here today, and they're killing people out
here tomorrow and Tony Amazon, Amazon and Disney those are
the two companies to look out for in the next

(43:57):
ten years. When when you see your local police department
with the Mickey Mouse arm patch on, yeah, it's about
it's about to be bad, Joe, you know what I'm saying.
When when like the when the military is gonna be
gonna have the episode Arrow on it? Like what's that movie? Specific?
Like you're gonna be able to order your own, your
own dude like me and mac yo, are drones coming

(44:19):
in to borrow We gotta hurry up and link this
stood up. Eight hundred thousand people ain't no fucking joke, yo.
That is that is a staggering number that if you

(44:41):
told Americans that, if you told Americans in February of that,
come December, the eight hundred thousand people were going to
die from one thing. Come on, now, you know what
I mean. So it's like like part of the you know,

(45:02):
part of like the COVID skepticism, whether it becomes you know,
the COVID vaccine or COVID policy skepticism, whether it's coming
from the right or the left, is I personally can't
at this point, I can't personally say that I know
it's because they don't think COVID is that bad. You know,
Like I'm not sure that this wouldn't that people's vaccine

(45:26):
skepticism and sure like that that it wouldn't be going
if we were having like a worldwide smallpox epidemic, you
know what I'm saying, Like, I don't I don't feel
like I don't feel that this is coming from a
place of like, oh, COVID is not that bad, so
we don't really have to like go overboard with these
measures to prevent it. It feels like it just feels
like it's coming from more of a place if people

(45:47):
generally don't care about people anymore, and that it's like
wear a mask, you're taking away my freedom, you know.
And it's just the whole, the whole, the whole discourse
around COVID. It just it just it has it's a
very It's like when people are talking about climate change
and you get kind of doo marie about it. Like
people's reaction to dealing with a global pandemic just has

(46:11):
me really down in the dumps for like our ability
to come together to solve big issues that affect us all,
you know what I mean, Like I'm not really looking
at us thinking that we're going to like get a
handle on this climate change stuff. When the pandemic went
across the world and killed five billion people in a
year and there's still mad people in the world like
we could have if you think about some of the

(46:34):
past plagues and pandemics, all the people that didn't take
any safety measures fucking died. We don't know how many
of those are were this might be the best response
we've ever had. And you can't really compare us to
fifties US, right, like our twenties to fifties US through
from the nineteen fifties, you're like height of America, Captain America.

(46:55):
Everybody's for America. We were in World War one and two,
everybody was kind of like working together. It was easy
to convince us to get vaccines. It's hard now, it's
just real hard. But but okay, And I hate it
when I hate it when Libs make the fucking oh COVID.
It's like a war. We've got to have a wartime

(47:16):
footing in a wartime policy and ship like that. I
hate that. I hate that. But just for the sake
of argument, though it's nineteen like forty two, right, or
whenever whenever Pearl Harbor was bombed or whatever, Pearl Harbor
just got bombed. Germany's taken over most of Europe, them

(47:38):
in Italy, or like, the whole world seems like it's
on the brink. And if you had a population of
people who are like you'd have the commercial I think
you got. You guys are going over board now, but
you don't know what you guys are complaining about it.
You guys, are you trying to take away by freedom?
I don't want to rash and food. Why do you
guys trying to take away by freedom? Why do I
have to know? It's missing? Is missing? And this year

(48:02):
and if you haven't got your vaccine, you're not in American?
Do you know this, Mariah Um There there's been some
studies coming out that have been showing that at this
point in time, I think the more town like the
people who are dying, who are have been dying from

(48:25):
COVID have been overwhelmingly Republicans. Do you think that that
could have enough of a shift in in numbers to
like affect election outcomes? I mean they are not to
save the Democrats in the return, I'm not I'm not
talking about saving the Democrats interns. I just mean, do
you think that that could affect Republican voter turnout? Well,

(48:45):
I mean, let's say, for example, Georgia flip blue this
last election cycle, um, and the election of Joe Biden
in Georgia was decided by ten thou votes. Over twenty
thousand people have died of COVID in the state of Georgia,
and so I think when we consider the the electoral

(49:06):
college or statewide races like a Senate race. UM, I
absolutely do believe that uh COVID death can impact the
results of a coming election. You just gave us the
ill transition, Mariah, You just gave us the ill transition,
ill transition because dig this right. Okay, So this report

(49:27):
came out in the Washington Post with these three retired
generals right who have been warning that there's enough of
a political fracture within the U. S. Military that should
a Trump be they had They're not trying to single
out Trump because they're saying that this honestly, they're saying
that the riff could go either way. But they're saying
that if the next election were to be called, you know,

(49:50):
called into dispute, that there's enough of a fracture that
they can foresee elements of the military being like, oh no,
our guy didn't lose and in going with them, and
that could cause civil dispute, possible civil war. I'm gonna
read you this excerpt from the Daily Beast. Three retired
three retired Army generals have warned of insurrection, possibly even

(50:11):
civil war if the results of presidential election are not
accepted by sections of the military. Retired retired Major General
Paul D. Eaton Antonio M. To Guba joined retired Brigadier
General Stephen M. Anderson and urged today's leaders to act
to prevent such scenes by calling on today's leaders to

(50:32):
do war games of an attempted coup. The former military
leaders said that they're increasingly concerned about the potential for
lethal chaos inside the military, which would put Americans at
severe risk in the aftermath of an election. Now, if
we're talking about margins being so thin that states were
flipped historically on ten thousand votes, and then we're talking

(50:56):
about a party that's being reckless in vaccine policy to
to to you know, mitigate a deadly disease. If we're
talking about those numbers are taking shaving off twenty thousand
of them here, five thousand of them here in that county.
If the Democrats are able to squeak out victories and

(51:17):
mid the mid terms and then again going to the
presidential election, the Democrats are able to squeak out numbers
because the dumbass Republicans got themselves sick on covid YO,
they're gonna lose their ship. Like they're like like that
ship is gonna make that January ships ship January six

(51:37):
thing look like a cookout. Man, I'm trying to think.
I mean, when they say civil war, they mean like
a militias. Well, I mean, I think civil war in
this context is hyperbolic and in a lot of ways metaphorical.
But I just think, like like they're talking about like
some road communits and stuff like that, you know, what

(52:00):
acting independently to do. Because I mean, you know, we
we've mentioned this before, but if you wake up, if
you wake up in the morning and you scirl on
Twitter and you read, oh, a group of fifty dudes
stormed the Montana Capital House and took it over, you
know what I'm saying, just imagined ship like that, But
it happens like six times in one day, you know,

(52:20):
and then and then the local law and for the
local authorities have to go deal with that incident or again.
You know. I mean, you know, we've got like like
people shouldn't overlook that. It's like, you know, like Dylan
russ attack was like a politically motivated right wing attack,
you know, in the Al Paso shooter in Texas, like
that was the politically motivated, like a lot of these
mass shootings and things that happen are politically motivated. It's

(52:43):
just because of Overton window, that link isn't necessarily drawn
in in you know, harped on in the news. So
in this event, you know, just kind of think that,
but think of it more organized and with military guys
behind it. Because I was at first wondering if it
was like between factions in the public, in which case

(53:05):
we're not looking at a civil war, we're looking at
a genocide. Well, you had a you had a general
in where is it. I don't want to say the
wrong state, but you know, Mississippi, Alabamash type of state.
But this guy actually came out of his mouth saying, Oh,
our state's national guard doesn't work for the federal government. Bro, nigga,

(53:26):
what like is the national guard? Motherfucker? But ship like
that is starting to happen, you know what I mean.
So this we're not we're not talking about like like, oh,
maybe people that John served with, you know what I'm saying.
We're talking about like, motherfucker's who are in the ship
now with rank Don't forget Michael Flynn was the National
Security Advisor. But like you know, like, it doesn't get

(53:50):
any higher than that. It doesn't, it really does not
get like that's you know, that's like one of the
highest positions that a military man can have, you know
what I'm saying, and still be a military man and
not have to be a civilian. So it's like, I
don't know, I just it's just one of those things.
It would be hard. So you may not know this,
but it takes to like move a single just let's

(54:11):
say you have like a twelve man group within like
a hundred man squad of some sort in any military unit.
To get your weapons, you don't have to go to
another building and talk to an armor who has to
get approval from a first sergeant. It's just it's kind
of like one of those conspiracy windows. It would take
probably eighty people to approve you leaving with soldiers from

(54:35):
a base with a valid excuse and an operation plan,
and then to get AMMO is a whole another route
you have to go to do another There's no AMMO
depot near weapons in any military base for a reason
because nobody who has higher brass trusts anybody who isn't
for the most part. But if but can you can

(54:57):
you say, like with full confidence at some of these
gatekeepers and barriers of them. So the reason, the reason
why seven is because your brain they know their brainwashing
you on purpose when you're coming in, your susceptibility, like
if you were to be assessed by the FBI just

(55:18):
coming out of the military is really really fucking high.
This is why there's like debriefs in the army when
you do like crazy exotic ship. When you come back,
they have to like talk about what you did, Let's
talk about how that affects the mission plan, because they
don't want you to come away with the idea that
there's a conspiracy involved in some way and you to
tell another person. They're pretty balls deep about what what

(55:42):
level of detail they'll go into to make sure that
you're not leaving a base with weapons. But that doesn't
mean it can't have. Now, like you said, let's say
there's a brigadier general at a National Guard base in Virginia. Right,
Let's say that his first sergeant and lieutenants are all
on the Trump train, and then let's ay he has
to disseminate to his squad leaders to get all the

(56:04):
lower guys because it wouldn't be no general can go
and wake you up in your tent or your bunk,
wherever you're at, no matter how low rank you are,
that's not his job, and it would be odd and
everybody would stop him from his function or from doing that.
I know. So there was like and it's only because
the level of they brainwashed you to come in and

(56:29):
that's a that's a poor term. So it's in indoctrination process, right,
just like if you came from another country to America,
we it doesn't sound as bad, but we'd have to
indoctrinate you to like our ways. If you were to
immigrate in let's say you were like somebody that worked
with the U. S. Military in a foreign country that
we worked in, we brought you in here, we would

(56:49):
have to indoctrinate you into how everything works here because
we can't expect you to perform without breaking laws. If
you were to come from Afghanistan and or Iraq, I
think the same thing. We don't give anybody that works
in a military unit that's not super high ranked any
power except for over other soldiers. Like you can't get items,

(57:12):
you can't get equipment. There's another dude, and then you're
looking at them. Are not white, So you're gonna have
to convince a lot of people have a lot of lies.
From my view, I think one of the one of
the things that the generals were saying, though, is that

(57:32):
some of that can a lot of that convinced. That's
the scary part, You're right, happen is the point that
that's the point that they're making because one of the
solutions that they suggested, like their their call to action,
as it would be. It's not like they just put
out there we're scared, you know what I mean, Like
they actually feel that they have a solution. But their
solution was that every single member of the military have

(57:55):
to over undergo civics reviews. Not a bad idea because
they've they've identified that, like because they're like like people
to make sure everybody knows who they're supposed to take
orders from, how the American government actually functions, who your
bosses are, because, like we've been saying it, don't know
how the government. Most Americans can identify how many chambers

(58:18):
of government that there are, Like that motherfucker's don't know
the secession order. They don't know who becomes president when
this person dies or when that like a lot of
these things are ship that's just kind of been taken
for granted just off of like the strength of America. Fun. Yeah,
that you know, I just I'm not I'm not too
confident that just off the strength of confusion and not

(58:42):
knowing who to take orders from, that that ship couldn't
go down, let alone having like, you know, a good
chunk of the military World War two, What did we
have a bunch of soldiers from Germany saying that I
was just following order. I mean, you're looking at the
same situation and we're getting warnings in a similar way. Um.

(59:05):
I mean, I could I could point you there's there's
mad countries in Africa where all it took is three
hundred dudes in the bush organized to bring the whole
ship down, the whole ship, you know what I'm saying.
So if we're even even if we were even if
we're playing like even if we're even if we're downplaying
it to like the highest extent that we can, even

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if we want to be like yo, there's only like
one percent of the American military that would be down
to the ship we're riding with. What's that? I think
it's bigger than that too, But I'm just saying, just
for Devil's advocate, let's just say that it's only one percent.
Well what's one percent of people? Well, here's what I'm

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thinking is that it's not so much that like they're
the threat is of an organized like institutional affront on
our democratic institutions. I mean, just drawing from a person
old experience, had a cousin who was in the military,
who learned how to kill people real good, um, and

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who then ran away from the military and killed someone
and so because partially because of the way it had
being in the military had broken him, but also probably
because he knew a lot about weapons and a bunch
of other ship that made it easy to go out
and fox somebody up real bad and take a life.
And so imagining what individuals who have that kind of

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training in their individual capacity out you know, perhaps they've
been distarted from the military or bad or whatever. Um,
how that that knowledge can be used um two personal ends,
perhaps in an organized fashion if like a group of
such folks comes together, so like, yo, we've taken on
the capitol or some ship. I think from what Jonna said,
I'm a lot less worried about like the actual military

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rising up versus like former members of the military utilizing
what they know about warfare do warfare. That that is
I mean, it's it's to me, it seems like that
is the that's the situation at hand, you know, I
don't I don't think that like like like you said, Mariah,
I don't think that there's necessarily a threat of like

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the military itself being like, oh, we're you know, like
a part in the Specifically they're warning about rogue units,
you know what I'm saying, like like people breaking off
from the military to do exactly so I'm using the
training that they have to do other ship that's not
in the interest of anybody is. And and with that,
I feel that that's a very very realistic possibility. Like

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I said, none, none of this ship fires and numbers,
and I think we'll we'll give ourselves a false sense
of security by thinking that the numbers aren't there, because ay,
we don't know that the numbers are there, but be
it just takes one dude to be like, maga, I'm
going into that nightclub with a gun. True. That's that's like,

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that's like a hundred lives ruined. You know what. I'm saying,
you got two of those guys was doing that, that's
two lives ruined. You know what I'm saying. If you
got like fifteen thousand, and that's being a conservative, yeah,
I mean a very conservative number. If you have fifteen thousand,
motherfucker's are like yo, the next time as soon as
they give the word all right, we're doing it, right.

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I just I don't think that's you know, and each
one of them is. I just know, And that's the
ship I'm scared of. So I've told Mac this before,
but um, I don't know if anybody if you can
research it when we get off, but white nationalists have
been trying to sneak people into military units for years.
I had one in mind, a very vocal one that

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they probably should have done something over. I mean I
told Mac about this, like when I got out. I'm like, no,
you don't understand. There's people they just they just let
this go. They don't care. Everybody's brought it up to
the higher up people and they're like, hey, yeah, we trained.
If we don't care, we don't give a fuck. And
where does he go when he leaves? Alright, Yeah, so
we are going to take a little break, but when

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we come back, we're going to be talking about some
sad news in the world of hip hop. So we
will be right back after the jump. And I don't
know if you guys are picking up my puppy growling,
but he's growling. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, we are back

(01:03:25):
and we've got some music news for that ass. Unfortunately
starting out with a bit of sad news, right, you
want to you want to tackle this? Yeah, So drinking
O the Ruler Um was really tragically stabbed and killed
Um at the Once Upon a Time Um at Once
Upon a Time as an l A concert at the
Bank of California Stadium. Um, a person with direct knowledge

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of the incident, told The l A Times that Um
he'd been attacked backstage by a group of people. Paramedics
responded to reports of the stabbing at the stadium on
eight forty pm and direk He was taken to the
hospital and critical condition and later died. Um Stoop Dog Um,
in a statement, said that he had heard about the
incident while in his dressing room getting ready to perform,

(01:04:09):
and chose to immediately leave the festival grounds and since
then been calling for peace for non violence, people to
put down the weapons, put down their beef, and stop
kill him another. Because we have lost a lot of
folks this year, UM and in general and hip hop,
this is just too frequent in occurrence, and so I
find it heartening occasionally when rappers kind of stand up

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and speak out about the need for us to find
peace to resolve conflicts non violently. But with these things,
I feel like it lacks a framework. Like it's easy
to say, but like, what does that mean? What does
that look like? Who is modeling that for people? Who
is um, you know, uh, proselytizing with the Gospel of
what that actually would would look like in practice? Is

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the is the element that is missing when folks respond
to killings in this way. I've I'm you know, it's
my my two cents on this is like and I don't.
It's like, I definitely don't. I'm not gonna be able
to just say ship that people might just want to
hear to make them feel better and stuff like that.

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But this is coming on the heels of Young Dolf
being gunned down, rapper Young Dolf being gunned down in
his hometown, and after that happened a couple of weeks
after that happened, rapper for the rapper Freddie Gibbs and
the rapper Jim Jones got into a similar situation to
this one, like a crew on crew beef beat down

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at some public spot that didn't result with anybody getting stabbed.
It just resulted with somebody people getting severely beaten and
it was celebrated on the internet for a week. And
I'm serious, I'm like that every hip hop political publication
was talking about Freddie Gibbs and Jim Jones got in
to fight. It's so awesome, world star, world star, you

(01:05:57):
know what I mean. And then literally the next week,
the same situation should happens, except somebody has a knife
and somebody gets stabbed. Somebody could have had a gun
and bust off shots. And then we're having a different
different discussions together. So there comes up there. I don't know,
it just seems like there comes a point where like
we're not talking about like sixteen year old kids, you know,

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like like some of these people are grown men, and
like there has to be like some accountability of like,
ye know, what the funk are we doing having a
brawl and ship you know, like everybody's everybody's rich where
they're like to make me. And again, this is like
not putting any blame on any any victims of any
of the situations. But if you know, if like we

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were more fortunate and somebody didn't have a knife, then
this would this I have no reason to believe that
people wouldn't be like bigging up this whole situation like
it was some cool ship just because somebody didn't lose
their life, like the like the the the chaos itself
is cool, you know, I mean, but you can't just
say stop doing that. You have to offer people alternative. So, like,

(01:07:01):
you know, if you beat in with someone. I think
it may have spoken on a recent episode about how
this group in l A set up a boxing ring
and when they were hearing about beefs going down to
the community and like, oh they're about to go by
and spring up your spot, they would bring people together
to get in the boxing ring and put on boxing
gloves and duke it out there, because it's a lot
of harder to kill somebody if you bang on the

(01:07:22):
head with a boxing glove. Um in in a monitor
environment in which if it gets out of hand, there's
people who could break up the conflict, and yet it
was shown to be a really promising way to settle
dispute because eventually somebody wins and somebody loses, and that
there you go. You got your conflict resolution, get out
the ring. Nobody died, and so it's still giving something

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you know or like people just don't have, because conflict
resolution is not to something social, it's also something psycho social.
And the fact that you have to you have to
have the problem solving skills and the learned behaviors, the
reasoning in order to understand different ways of duking this out,
like and if you are have always been funneled into

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one way of thinking, Oh, I've been disrespected, I'm gonna
go stab this nigger, like that's all you know how
to do. You have to absolutely saying it's unacceptable, but
it's not. But like if you say, don't do that,
but don't give anyone an idea of what else they're
supposed to do and engage in the intensive process of

(01:08:25):
helping lead someone in that new direction, it's just a
platitude to make someone else does to make Snoop Dogg
look better. I agree. I mean, I'm not saying that
I've got the answers or anything like that, so I'm
not even approaching it from that. But I just feel
like if we have to organize a charity boxing event
or else, I'm susceptible to stab somebody in the neck.
That's like, that's that's like a problem with me. You

(01:08:46):
know what I'm saying, Like I have an issue that
needs to be addressed. If like you know what I'm saying,
and it's like, you know, I mean, because everything you're
saying is right and I agree with it, but it's
like there comes a certain point where it's like you
you can't recognize if we see these guys it's on site,
we're gonna while out, and then when the wild out happens, well,

(01:09:08):
I mean somebody should have done something, you know, I mean,
somebody should have done something about it when it's like
they're the ones who were you know what I mean.
I don't know, man, I just it's just if I
don't know, I don't know what's gonna stop it. It's
like we we could have been having this conversation resting
and fights, you know, like we were having at nineties seven.

(01:09:28):
We were having this conversation in two thousand two odd man,
Why is why is ja rule fifty? Stabbing each other
in the studio and ship like that we're having, you know,
and it's just like it just takes one variable to
these situations to turn it tragic and for it to
not just be like some a haha, that was like
a scuffle that you know, people got over. It's like

(01:09:49):
just in the realm of celebrity and show business in general,
like I'm sure many times people are in rooms with
motherfucker's that they hate, you know, even if we're just
talking about rappers, I'm sure plenty of rappers go into
situations where there's a crew they got beef with, or
there's guys that they don't like, or there's something like that.

(01:10:09):
It's just that extra step, like, well, I don't know
what element it is that makes people like yo, yeah,
like you know, it's funny. I don't know. I have
a different view. I feel like, uh, it's amazing that
it's not worse. So I remember coming to the conclusion
a long time ago. I don't know what I read.

(01:10:30):
I couldn't tell you, but that, uh, money isn't just evil,
It's really just a representation of resources in our society, right,
Like if I have five drops of water left and
this motherfucker wants four of them, and while he doesn't
want four of them, but what he wants to do
is take my image. An image in this society is
really highly prized for somebody that's in the image game.

(01:10:53):
I mean, any affront to that money or resource is
gonna result in some violence. I don't know, I could
kind of, but I know it's bad. It's that I'm
just saying. I'm amazed that it's not worse, honestly. So,
like take take nineteen early ES wrap and what we
were saying then about the drug game and prostitutes, all

(01:11:16):
the worship you could imagine, and now imagine you had
an online reputation to keep on top of that. I
don't know, I feel like we're doing a little bit
better than I thought we would. I thought this ship
would have blown up a long time ago. And you know,
I think I think the data backs up what you're saying,
because crimes of all kinds are historic lows, with the
exception of murder unfortunately, but like aggravated insults and things

(01:11:39):
like that, lesser but still violent offenses are going down.
So like things are in on on like a macro level,
better than they have ever been. But that doesn't negate
the fact that like every time we lose someone that's
you know, the whole family that's devastated, friends and friends
and you know, colleagues that are devastated, fans that are devastated,

(01:11:59):
and so the trauma really ripples wide. But honestly thinks
like it isn't like it like it could be a
lot worse. Like John said, where are the o g s?
Is my question? Where are the because I mean the
ogs like Snoop Dogg or say, everyone put the guns down, like, well,
what are they instead of a gun? He's been forever,
But I feel I don't. But that's what I feel like.

(01:12:24):
I I that's the thing that I personally don't like.
It's like, what are you supposed to pick up instead
of a gun? Like how about you started rapping? Like
like whether you know? And this is not to put
the blame on Drake you, but like all the motherfucker's
who are in is Crewe. It's like y'all been crewed
up with Homie this whole time so that he could
get into position to where y'all like we don't got

(01:12:46):
to be in the streets in the back smoothing with
the stars and ship like that. Who is the O
G that's gonna like be like, Yo, this is ridiculous, guys,
everyone show I mean or even like, let's handle this
another time somewhere else, like like like that's that statement
that Snoop Dogg made would have been real dope to

(01:13:07):
not be in a letter hour after a motherfucker was
already stabbed in debt. It would have been It would
have been cool to see a viral video Snoop Dogg
and his crew standing in the middle of those two
crews like yo, young man, I'm fifty, I'm the O G.
Let me let me you guys calm down, because like
coming up growing up in hip hop, there's mad stories

(01:13:29):
about O G rappers stopping the rappers of our generation
from killing and shooting each other and ship like that.
There's a reason that a lot of people don't know
that nas In Tupac had beef. Know what I'm saying,
There's a reason a lot of people don't know the
MC hammer almost got Motherfucker's shot for dissing them for
thinking that he was sweet. You know what I mean
because O G s were like, yo, man, we're making millions.

(01:13:52):
Stop the ship. And that's what I just feel is
like there's like a disconnect, you know. I mean maybe
it might be a generational I don't know. Um, I
don't necessarily think that that's the that that it's like
that cut and dry, but there is a failing in
this situation that goes beyond well, what would they supposed

(01:14:13):
to do other than like start a massive like melee
and fight each other? Like you know, it's it's like
I hear what you're saying, right, but it's like there's
another event where it's like I just can't look at
that mass a young man and think that everybody in
there is just like a mindless, impulsive, instinctive animal is
just gonna react and can't like critically think for them.
So I mean, like, hey, guys, like we're having like

(01:14:36):
a fucking like fifty men like fight at this show,
Like you know, I mean like maybe we should maybe
maybe we should chill right now. Like I don't think
that's like too great of an expectation or to you know,
am I making sense? So what do you do when
someone disrespects you? Mac? I mean it's for me personally. Yeah, Like,

(01:14:57):
what do you do personally when you're disrespected by someone personally?
From like you know, and again just the personal thing,
so I can't put that on anybody else personally. One
of the ways that I have lived my life is
I have lived to be the age that I am
never having caused any harm to another black person. That's
just me. That's me. I've never and John, you were there,

(01:15:20):
so you've you've seen me in the ships, you know.
I mean, I've definitely been in my share of fights.
I've been in my share of drunken things. But I've
put myself in a situation to where if I were
in a situation that was going to lead me to
potentially have to be in a physical confrontation with another
black human being, I'll take that l I'll get embarrassed,
I'll I'll back pussy down or whatever. I'll do that

(01:15:41):
because I don't want to be in that situation, you
know what I'm saying. And just generally, like in a situation,
like what do I do when I when I'm disrespected?
I tend to think about what the worst possible outcome
of a scenario could be, and that affects how I
go about doing stuff, you know what I mean. So
I always imagine a motherfucker might have a gun. Is

(01:16:04):
the number one thing that I go to when whenever
I'm in a confrontation. So man, fuck you, Well fuck you.
What you're gonna do about it? Man, I'll kick man.
These motherfucker's a stupid ye know, these motherfucking stupid They
got guys, I'm not, you got it? Whatever. That's that's
usually like my response to ship like that. People can
make fun of that, and people can be like, oh,

(01:16:25):
blah blah blah. But it's like if if the choices, well,
what was I supposed to do other than stab them?
Then you know, then I'm that I'm a pump. Then
I'm just illustrating that, like sharing our personal expertise on
the alternatives to engaging with violence. For me, when I
get disrespected, I might go take a walk, I might

(01:16:47):
say right about it. Sure, like you said, that might
be seen as pussy ship, but it's these are these
are alternative norms that can be shared within the community
of hip hop, but aren't being for one for one
reason or another. Um, So that's what I'm saying, Like
We'll put the gun down and pick up what it's
it's not a show. Put your shoes on and take

(01:17:12):
a lap, bitch. Like you were a writer, you like
to write bar sit down and write about how piste
off you are by this nick that's talking about you. See,
if I'm popularizing other ways of dealing with this is
what I mean when I say put the guns down
and pick up something else. You're you're you know you're right,
and and that that you're right, and that that just
that takes you know, it's it depends on the people
who are in those situations. It requires a huge norm

(01:17:34):
is a huge cultural shift. Yeah, if I if I
were a rapper that we're at that level to where
it's like, oh, I meant rolling loud and these festivals
and ship like that. In like a situation like that
played out, it would be a viral video of like
this dude screaming at me and me like being like
a why you know what I mean, like being like
a fucking dick head white and that's like just like

(01:17:56):
dissing on him and like us like just like like
hurling insults in our crews, yelling and you can't hear
everything you'd be like, oh, do you guys see that
video where Dope Knives crew and such and such crew
were like yelling at each other and screwing each other,
And that's what would have been with it. Because if
I see you motherfucking my crew swing, I'm shutting it down.
I'm sorry. I'm like, I am going to have the

(01:18:19):
wherewithal to be like, yo, guys, this is my job.
You know what I'm saying, Like, this is how I
make money. If I was working at the car wash,
y'all niggas wouldn't be coming in here starting starting to
fight with somebody working because that that's gonna sunk up
my job in my livelihood. So that kind of thing
has to be taught. When everybody's talking about being a

(01:18:43):
businessman in a mogul and I'm making billions and I'm
trying to take over no right from wrong, They're not
like idiots. They know they know what they're supposed to
be doing. Somebody who was in that situation new hey man,
this is absolutely ridiculous. Everybody, however, was caught up in like,
oh this was cool cruises fighting. We don't have we

(01:19:06):
don't have the details on this incident. Whether or not
someone tried to intervene and prevent the stabbing, we can't
say that nobody didn't. It was this was the stabbing.
Stabbing was a show, just like the crew fight. It
was security and both of the like I'm not I'm not,

(01:19:27):
you know, I can't imagine being famous like one of
the crews, one of the crews. People are they just bros?
Like I want I want some dude I don't know
to like diligently unless he loses his job to be
like watching entrances and ship. I don't want to deal
with that ship? Why would someone want to deal with
that ship? But I don't know When I was younger.
When I was younger, horribly mac knew me at the

(01:19:50):
precipice of me like me realizing that everything is not
the way I thought it was, right, Like I kind
of had a post military awakening of military are you awakening?
And all of this was just defended on who I
read and what I watched right like anybody else. But
I mean now I have a ralsey and approach, like
what would this look like if everybody did what I did? Right?

(01:20:12):
Like how would I create a set of rules and
not know who I would be when they're enforced. Um,
I don't know that's how I would do it now.
But this is like some like step twelve logic ship
that I don't know what step one is. Yeah, Mariah,
what do you think we can do? Like, like, what

(01:20:33):
do you think can be done? Just like uh, Like,
I guess, I don't know, like it was like behaviorally
or culturally to kind of just change that the mindset.
I guess. Well, I mean we're already so we're already
using music too established and in the sense established and
reinforced a certain reality, and people increasingly through music are

(01:20:54):
starting to branch off into different ways that things could be.
You have folks like No Name or Sava or even
Kendrick or a lot of different people who are talking
more about mental health that are talking more about avoiding conflict,
that are talking more about I don't know, a love
of reading and various things that we don't historically associate
with the black experience. And so through those means encouraging

(01:21:18):
folks to speak on alternatives to the status quo of
resulting and you know, resorting immediately to violence as a
way to shift norms in the community, to get more
people to say, oh that they got played a show
with topic he was talking about, you know this or that,
about taking a walk instead of hitting somebody in the face.
I'm gonna reflect on that and building those relationships. So

(01:21:39):
it's like, hey, yeah, let's kick it after the show.
And like, you know, I saw he was really heated
and like beefing with those cats, Like let's you know,
let's take a walk and talk about it as a
way of helping shift some of those norms. Um, you know,
I think I think in this case it does take
a lot of I mean, obviously I think about the
policy level, but it also has to be interpersonal within
communities to people, say to really start thinking intentionally about

(01:22:01):
like let's just not like I was saying, not just
put the guns down, but what alternatives would we like
to see people doing, and how do we mentor them
and getting to that place because they might be really
smartly you said, these people aren't idiots, but you're only
as smart as like if you're giving input to then
process and do something with. And so we gotta start
giving people input to then like use their very smart
brains that they used to make very genius lyrics to

(01:22:22):
apply it to other circumstances in the life they're currently
not handling well. Smaria, what are your thoughts on perhaps
like the nature of the vein of hip hop that
we're talking about involved with having an impact in this
because like I remember, I remember interview back in the
day with MC light and she was like they were

(01:22:42):
asking her about like the hip hop Cops, and you know,
it was back in like two thousand six when the
NYPD had their like hip Hop Task Force and they
were like, you know, really good and they were asking
MC light about it, and she was like, I don't
worry about that ship. She's like, nobody's coming on my
tour of us looking for God. She was like, She's
like she's like nobody, nobody's pulling over Q two like

(01:23:04):
to see if you know what I mean, if his
crew is packing. It's like, you know what I mean,
because that's not the ship that we're doing. And you know,
I had this discussion with somebody the other day where
or me and Mariah. I think we've had this discussion before,
but it's like there's like we can't only say that
hip hop is the most influential, impactful force in the

(01:23:25):
world when we're talking about good ship and then be like, oh,
but we promise you that none of the influences were bad,
you know what I'm saying. And one of the influences
is that you get you know, if you if you're
a little kid and you're listening to rap music growing up,
and I'm just I'm gonna speak anecdotally just for my
personal experience, there is a nature of don't back down

(01:23:46):
to like to to to hip hop music, especially the
ship that I was listening to growing up. And you
take aside that refrain that I told you about like
fighting black people are being in physical confrontations with black people,
you put that aside. One of my physical confrontations in
life are from a Napoleon complex of like, oh no,
I can't back down. Oh like what DMX back down?

(01:24:07):
I'm going at it, you know what I mean. Like
I'll say, I'll get my ask with to show you
that I'm not no punk because fucking chuck the aint
no punk, and you know what I mean. Like, so
there is that element of it that it's like, hey,
if you're if, if you're if, your mind is being
bombarded seven where I hit you with the strap, I
hit you with the stick, We roll up on you,

(01:24:28):
I pull up on site, I pull up on site,
we catch you on site, pull up. You know what
I mean? You know, then when you're in a confrontation,
maybe maybe that that makes nobody in a in a
in a room where they can have a sober state
to be like, hey, maybe we should back down in this,
or maybe we should deescalate the situation, you know what
I mean, Maybe there's something subconscious where it's like, oh no,
we gotta handle this situation. You can't disrespect my crew.

(01:24:50):
M you think there's any you think there's anything to
that or is that like just like oh no, absolutely,
I think that that like overlaps flat with what I
was talking about. Yeah, oh go ahead. I mean I
was gonna say, it's funny like you mentioned, uh, I mean,
it sounds like you're infantilizing a little bit, like is
it the culture that swang us or is it uh

(01:25:12):
not just musically, but but what you grow up in,
like so environmentally, like we know this is the case
uh DMX had like tax evasion court case before he died.
And I don't know if you ever heard about this,
but they were gonna sentence him to five years, and
they decided not to. They gave him like one year
with parole, like the option for parole. And the only

(01:25:34):
reason they did that is because they played slipping or
Slipping for the judge. I don't know if you remember
that song, like I'm slipping, I'm following, I can't get up,
and the whole song is about like his life, like
how he was abused by his aunts and his uncles,
and his his mom had died when he was early on,
and like all the trials and tribulations, and they reduced
the sentence to a year. And the judge's explanation was

(01:25:56):
similar to Mariah's, like, uh, the environment that he was,
how could we expect him to take five million dollars
in his first year of having his first album, having
no experience with money and this type of life, and
now we're expecting him to pay back money he'll never
have and we should never have expected him to pay
And it sounds like you're infantilizing somebody. In the same way.

(01:26:17):
Ryan was pointing out that, like there's clearly some environmental
issues here, and how do we change environmentally the way
these people are educated? Right? But I don't know. I
find myself stuck between both roads, Like you can't blame
either one of these things for me, Like there is
a personal accountability there, But I don't know. I mean,

(01:26:40):
I don't I don't necessarily think I'm I mean, I
don't I don't mean to like infantalize because I mean,
I'm not saying that any at the mercy of the
ensway of the things that we listen to. You, I
mean that that's likeat so I shout up by school,
like no, I'm not not necessarily something like that. But
again it's just again, it's just like you know, calling

(01:27:01):
balls and strikes, you know what I mean. Like I
would be lying if I were to say that I
know for a fact that there is not that there's
a generation if I were to say that there's a
generation of men who are my age, who at a
very young age, we're listening to me so horny and
bitches ain't ship, and that thirty years later that might

(01:27:24):
in some incremental way effect the effect how they treat women,
you know what I mean. So it's like just using
that same sort of logic, It's like, yo, man, if
you grow up, I bust you with the stick, I
bust you with the stick, and it's like that's regurgitated
over and over again. Then perhaps if you're in a
situation you know, I mean, you might be less inclined
to think what can I do to do? You know

(01:27:44):
what I'm saying, that's not necessarily like a cause and
effect you know, in infant infantile infantile infantalization. But you know,
it's it's just it's just like like I said, it's
it's all just like a net, like you know, like
there's like emergent like the brain doesn't work on just
we can't just say your neurons do it, or your

(01:28:05):
brain does it, or your sensory inputs on your body
as well like brings consciousness. But what every scientists say
is that it's like an emergent property. So like, yeah,
that's a good point. Like this this does seem like
it's all the things kind of wrapped up right exactly
exactly all the things in any event, this is a
super tragic situation. Um rest in peace to Drake e

(01:28:26):
O and you know, wishes his his family and his friends. Uh.
And you know, regardless, Homie was just like a really smooth, cool,
cool ass cat. You know what I'm saying. So hip
hop lost one. Alright, y'all. Um, we've been going on
and on, so we are about to go home and
celebrate Christmas. Hope all you guys have a good Christmas

(01:28:48):
with all your family. Hey John, of course, anytime, anytime, anytime,
coming through. But we're gonna close it. We're gonna close
it like we always do. And that's with raps. So Joe,
once you give us a beat and let's give some
holiday raps. Yeah yeah, yeah, so yeah, yeah, so so

(01:29:18):
hey yeah, pull up on the beat. And of course
it was slow when I gotta eat with a force
to behold. She is antique like the Morse in the Code.
Now I gotta spit like the pork in the roast,
or I p draking up that ain't it? Stop violence?
Every day? The same ship they used to be down
the lane switched fun Fox News. I gotta beat for
the sat nick. I don't vibe with a corporate holiday.
Take your whole check. And of course there's a robbery
and the music bullshit follows me and I gotta tie

(01:29:40):
for a present. Probably I'm a fucking I'm a bitter
gridge looking like climbate the Pocka lips to when Nick
all I really wants a little bitty house on the
Helena Honey to block them lips on the Nigga trying
fish for Nickel, watched the brains versus socks when niked

(01:30:03):
instead of them sitting in the shock for nack ramon
Fox Tom about Amazone workers killed to deliver of brox
properly filled with some simple bundles of socks to love
the building blocks could the way to but the box
moved a billion, then the billion, then the billion, then
like a phenivoment from a tropical illness. But that to

(01:30:25):
this giant, the only one tripping And I'm open guy
willing one day we overcome women, defeat these fucking villains.
Hey cope, knife with Franca and we are waiting on reparations.
How it is, See you next week. Waiting on Reparations
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