December 9, 2021 • 58 mins
This week, hosts Dope KNife and Linqua Franqa recap the results of last week's municipal elections across Georgia, from the trouncings of pro-cop candidates all across Atlanta, to the election of a Democratic Socalist mayor on its outskirts; and what all this might mean for next year's midterm elections-- with a hat tip to Ludacris at the end, of course.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
You are now listening to waiting on reparations the production
of I Heart Radio. Yo, yo yo, what's good my people?
I am dope knife, I am extremely tired, and we
are we've been waiting to goddamn long for reparations, get
my bro. But alright, so let's let's let's let's just
(00:28):
pick it up and get right into it. So we
you know, we've been really good, as our executive producer
has been getting us to to be a lot more
prompt when we're recording these, but we have gone back
to our bullshit and we are on one of those
late night sessions and you just got our City Hall.
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I don't even like these. I just got out of
a Christmas party from the day job. I'm fucking I
got I got a few with me. I'm feeling good,
all right, So tell us a about the city Hall
meeting that bro. So, I just got home from city Hall.
It's our last volting meeting of the year, and there
are several contentious issues on the agenda. For months, for
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months or a year, we've been working on an eviction
defense program to keep people from getting kicked out of
their house and they lost their job or got sick
because of COVID, etcetera. Um, we finally passed it tonight. Um.
But interestingly, like d c A and the Department of
Community Affairs of Georgia, like they've started, you know, giving
out millions of dollars to communities that had a program
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like this already. Yeah, and we didn't for various reasons,
mostly obvious reasons. People have been staling. People have been
stalling it, stalling it, stalling it. And so I am
so thankful that finally, you know, all these families that
you know been hit me up like yo, what I'm
I'm living in the back of you hall whatever, Like
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what we're gonna do? You can get some help. Um,
it's unfortunate that it's so late, but that happened to
night we approved um contract and funding for a safe
place for the homeless folk to sleep. So how long
exactly have you been working on it? So eviction prevention
literally probably a year to the day YouTube in the
programs like this exists in Guenda County. Yeah, because I
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mean we were we were talking about eviction mortary moratariums
like a year ago and still at it. We still
had it. Yeah. No, So finally and then and it
speaks as well. I mean, yes, people stalled it and
that was very unfortunate. But in general, like the time
scales in which we have to understand, like policy unfolds
are so long, Like just generally the gears of government
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just turned so slowly, like a year to pull off
a program. It's like it's like a it's like a
very modest amount of time. Frankly, well, I don't I
don't want to get like two into the weeds with
let's go, but like, okay, so just I mean, anybody
who's a regular listener to this show, they will have
heard the like they will they will know how often
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you're in city Hall obviously a year and elected officials,
so they know that, Like you've been working on this
for a year, like you just said it. So what
is it exactly? You know, if you guys are meeting
up so much, right and y'all are discussing these things
in these issues, what is it exactly that makes a
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project like this take a year to do? Yeah, Like
like like is it is? It isn't? And I don't
want to characterize us in the in like the unfair
ware whatever, but it's like, is the progress that's made
from day to day and meeting the meeting. Is it
like that small that or that minute of a thing
that it takes that duration of time or do things
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get snagged up and just in the sauce or or
what so? Yeah, I'll say two things about that. Firstly,
like a lot of our trouble and particularly implementing innovative
solutions things like fair free public transportation, or like a
safe place for homeless people to sleep, um or they
won't be criminalized living outdoors like we have. We have
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to do two things. We have to Oftentimes, if we're
you're dealing with federal funding, they have so many hurdles
that we have to jump through in order to ensure compliance.
Who's your accountant, you getting insurance from, what's your you know,
the line of credit, what's your background doing this? All
this stuff that just like if you chop up all
those little parts each take like a week to work through,
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and so you're looking at weeks and weeks and weeks
and um so yeah, there's that to it, and I
guess to agree to a degree to your um your
second question, um, yeah, Ultimately, like because we move in
such slow motion, you know you can see all the
like you know, slow motion rainstorm. You see all the
individual droplets like as they hit the ground, and that's
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kind of like those little individual droplets of what we
traffick in. It's like, okay, let's put push this a
ford a little bit, a little bit, and over time
it adds up. I brought up fair fee public transportation.
People have been fighting for that for ten years and
we just did it. And so it's just like all
the little droplets slow motion smash no ground and finally,
like you can see like the time speeds up and
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finally see like, oh snap, it's right and what's up.
So then so okay, and then then I'm gonna ask
this and I kind of already know what your acts
is gonna be. All right. So if like the average
person is looking at this and they're thinking, man, this
is taken too long. These people are just full of ship.
They just need to hurry up and do these things,
you being on the inside and seeing the way this
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gets this goes down, doesn't give you more of an
understanding of like, no, I understand why it takes this long,
or are you on the same line of Bill, this
is bullshit that should be going faster. I mean part
of me it's like, yo, this is bullshit, Like this
should be going faster. Um. There is a part in
which like you you die a hero, you live long
enough to become the village, or like I find myself
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being like wait, you guys, I promise we're working on it,
and like ending the government, which, like the activists and me,
like my heart just tears into tiny type pieces every
time I have to do it for this real ship though,
I mean I don't even want to say that's real ship,
but I mean, is it? Is it real ship? Is it?
Like the activist part of you wants to be like nah,
but the politician part is like nah. There's kind of
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a reason why it's And it's really hard to like
moderate that because I gotta like stand up for the
people and be like you, right, this is bullshit, and
like yell but like staff, they're like trying their hardest
know what to do, and I don't doesn't help If
you yell at them, they're gonna just break out more
and do it worse. Um. And so there's also like
you know, trying to have grace for them, trying to
convey to the public wild things take too long. And
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then something else I want to say on your first part,
why stuff takes so long? Because you know, the Homeless
Safe Site is being run by like a like a
black nonprofit that's very grassroots, very just like in the
thick of it, no paperwork, no, like they just kind
of flying to see their pants. But like start of
the pandemic, when everybody was scared to hug each other,
they were going out into the forest to bring hot
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plates of food to the homeless people. You remember when
I went out there with them maybe and like brought
the plates and we sat up there. Yeah. And so
like when you when you're working with an organization that
historically has not just worked just hasn't worked with black people. Um,
you know, when these organizations have not had the resources
or the institutional support to do large scale work, there's
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gonna be like intercultural communication problems. Like it's not that
it's not like malice that like our staff doesn't know
how to communicate to these people, or these people don't
know how to communicate staff. It's just like no one
has had too before. It's naived almost rather than like maliciousness.
And so that's why stuff takes so long when you
try to like, all right, we finally go smatch down
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the doors and get some black people in here, get
some money to like do this work. It's gonna take
a long time because we have never done that before.
I don't know how. So yes, that's the the why,
the reason why things take long. But okay, so so
if it it took long, we got done. But this
is not even the only thing. But yeah, so for
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weight there us more so safe Side got passed. The
Victim Defense Program got passed. So we also, uh were
asked to reapprove federal funding for the Northeast Georgia Regional
Narcotics Task Force, which I for year after year I've
been critical love and I voted for the last year
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I put an amendments that alright to sell podcasts for
we da dadaa. And this year is like, no, what
fucking nope, I ain't doing the fil mode. So I
published an off ed a couple of days ago. You
can go you can do you search me on like
social media. I'm right for Athens. You can go find
and read it. It was very spicy, very spicy talking
about the history of this grant, and it's delaterious effects
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on black communities and some public health solutions that are better. Um,
including So one of the spicy spicy things about it,
how to go, how to go. So one of the
spice you think about it is like I took it
all the way back to the source, like where does
the grant come from? Where the drug war come from?
And I referenced in Lee at Water famous Republican strategists
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working under Monald Reagan said you remember the ship. Yes,
So he was like, you say nigger, nigger, nigger, but
you cant say nigger anymore, so you say it was
it was actually it was Nixon, not Reagan. Oh well yeah, okay, yeah, yeah,
um yeah he was. He pretty much spilled the beans
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on the Southern strategy that right, yes, yes, employed so,
um yeah, it's it's a famous recording. As a matter
of fact, if I can find a find a non
cover written, yeah, we'll play it on it. But he
pretty much runs down how esoteric that the Republican Party
got with the racism, you know what I mean, but
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expresses such a deliberate nous behind it that it's just
and so like you know, that's when the strategies like
the drug war came Bronx. You can't say nigger nigger anymore.
You can say we gotta get tough one crime and
catch criminals. So I went into it. I laid out
the facts, but these motherfucker's criminology, public health reason why
this is all bullshit. We need to do things new way.
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Well police Trape wasn't too happy about that. Um sent
me like a five page rebuttle earlier today he was
big bad, just lost it. Apparently it's feeling for a
real hurt um the A local journalist called his response extraordinary,
if not unprecedented. UM So, anyway, I went off all
these motherfucker's like, Yo, this is what it's this is
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what's really really rude. Right now, y'all go, y'all go
and mindlessly perpet your way Reagan's legacy. Y'all gonna take
lea Water's advice, like what's good? What's popping? You know?
What is funny? Just you mentioned in that, but like
something that I just feel didn't get enough pressed. But
do you recall that about a year ago they uncovered
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some Reagan tapes having a conversation with somebody with oh yeah,
he's being like hella rasing like, hell, I want to
meet with like the leaders of these after African countries.
Feet yeah, yo yo, niggas said dirty feet something like that.
I don't quote me. It was something about their feet,
you know, I know, I know what you mean it was.
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It was just like it was some stereotypy. It was
like some beyond plausible deniability ship. And I just felt
like I just felt like that kind of went under
the radar. So, you know, just just something. I feel
like all the way they pull it out tape left
and right, left and right, left and right. I know
Bill Clinton has now been implicated in the Gelaan Maxwell trial,
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or maybe like do you want some ship with some
underage kids? Which I don't find surprising. Um, the receipts,
all the receipts. Trump is trying to start a constitutional crisis,
so nobody can find the fucking log records of anything
that was said during this time of Can you imagine
I think we've said something about this in the last episode,
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but can you imagine how many niggas was flying around
Pupil's vows in the Trump White House? Like for real,
like you're telling me, you're telling me. The Steve Bannon wasn't.
It wasn't thrown around the N word word. So what
are we what are you talking about today? I'm sorry,
I'm sorry. We were just riffing a ship, which you know,
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you're talking about Trump and a constitutional crisis. Maybe think
about Matt Gates coming out today. Then if the GOP
wins the House back, they're gonna try to put Trump
in and Speaker of the House. I don't know how
much I buy that, but I think we can just
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take that as like as as validation that they're gonna
do all sorts of crazy ship. Yeah, I'm gonna say
when they win the House back, I want to say if.
But you know, which brings us to our topic to today.
So last week we had runoff elections in municipal races
across Georgia and results were pretty good for progressive and
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so UM. And then we also had Stacy Abraham's announced
for governor for the Democratic Party, David Purdue, former Senator
of Georgia, announced for a governor on Republican side. And
so we're gonna talk about what happened last week as
well as what might go down just looking at like,
you know, what are these results mean for the year
to come, if anything, etcetera, etcetera. We're gonna get into
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all that after the jump. But first, but I need
to know about this Christmas party it went down, so
I would I can tell you had a gleam in
your eye, all right? So okay, So like you know,
I do this podcast and I wrap and that's you know,
more or less for the most parts, how brother makes
it goes. But let's keep it real, you know, and
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then you gotta get a regular jailb So at the
j ob we had this Christmas party and you know,
the the jig is up and the word is out.
Oh man, do you guys know that mac maps? I
heard the Max a really good rapper, Like that ship's
going on, right. So we have the Christmas party. The
bosses are like, hey, do you wanna you know, we're
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like every First of all, they like broke it up
into pieces, like somebody who's there's a girl there who
does stand up comedy and she did like a roast
of everybody. It was pretty funny. They had like a
magician come in and he did like some David Blade
magic tricks that I gotta say, what happened? He didn't
cut a girl in half. But he was doing something
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like he was doing something like pulling a bowling ball
out of like a paper thin briefcase type ship like
but I was standing like two feet from him and
seeing it. So as far as I'm concerned, Nick is
a wizard, you know what I mean? Like it was
that crazy. If you did that, you had a couple
of drinks and maybe something else in this was before
the drinks. No, but the Magic Tricks was before the drinks.
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Briefcase saw you know what, I got that ship on video.
You'll check on the check on the Instagram. Um. But yeah,
you know, like we've been talking for the last few months.
They're like, hey, we want you to do some kind
of because they went to the Afroman show that I
did the Owners, and they were like, hey, we want
you to do kind of a little wrap thing for them. So,
(15:12):
you know, I went there thinking it was just all good.
I started knocking some back, thinking I was just gonna
chill there for a couple of hours and then head
back here to record, and they like straight up snuck
a p A system up on me with a bunch
of Pete rock beats like like like that, you know what,
I mean like yo, They're like, yo, do you want
to go in? I was like, I'm just picturing them
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like rolling it out like a little thing while you're
not looking. It's like really quietly tell him, like stack
it up behind you with its pretty much what it was.
So like at first, I was like nervous, like, oh,
because there's some like corny Christmas thing you want me
to do. And they're like, no, just just do you
you know what I mean? So I just I freestyle
the dude who about the props. I did some games
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and it just all felt really warm, like co worker,
you know what I'm saying. But I gotta saying. The
paid day was pretty good. But the the paid day
was pretty they was you know that that was like
when you do those like university shows or like the shows.
It was one of those sort of shows or you're like, yeah, yeah,
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that was so I'm feeling good. I'm feeling good. But
we're gonna get into all this stuff about the Georgia
Progressives fucking wrecking ship, and we'll be right back with
that after the jump. Alright, ladies and gentlemen, we are back.
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So per the Atlanta Journal Constitution, the story of the
Metro runoffs goes beyond the fact that a string of
incumbents were ousted. If you look closer, you'll find that
many of the winners were backed by the Georgia Working
Families Party. That's a local chapter of a relatively new
national progressive party based in Brooklyn, New York. Three of
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the newly elected city council members. Why don't you go
ahead and say those names. Yeah, we got Lily on
a Bati, We got Antonio Lewis, We got Jason Dojer
who respectively of Li Liana um is Iranian American non binary.
Um were individual Antonio Lewis, um, you know, reps hard
for you know, Cleveland Avenue, very well supported by like
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the labor movement. And then we got Jason Doser, who
is a military vet uh quote unquote progressive's pretty progressive guy, um,
you know, longtime activist in the like Mechanicsville kind of
area of Amanta. And then whose last whose last I
was another one can forget forget about so most exciting
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to me, Kali cameo, um, my boy city councilman in
South Fulton democratists and uh demograt socialists and um openly
gay openly queer individual one the mayorship is going to
be the mayor of the blackest city in America. It's
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like ninety percent black South Polks any one, And I
think it really so. I think all of this there's
very interesting implications for what this means about the state
of politics where the electorate is at in Georgia. But
I think this in particular, if we may take a
moment to break it down. You know, he may not
have run on explicitly like defund the police like platform,
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but you know he's wrapping that life. You know, a
lot of you know, his democratic socialist ideas, couching those
ideas in in in in in recular people understand about
like supporting youth entrepreneurship and small businesses and more land
ownership for the people. But like the fact that he
was like a progressive, perhaps even a radical, you know,
queer black man. Um It's like, you know, people try
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and say, oh, black people aren't down for that kind
of ship. They're not, like, you know, radicalism of the
sixties is over. But like he's he's proved that, ain't
Is that what people are saying? I don't know, what
do you think people are saying about where the black
electorate is at. I don't know. I mean, I'm not
even gonna front I I don't I don't know. I
don't really have a sense of like what they're saying.
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You know what I mean. M Well, here's what I get. Often,
I all a lot of people that I mean, to
their credit, you know see that I I like sucking
advanced degrees or whatever. You know, I like, I'm very articulate, negro, etcetera, etcetera,
And so I have like black people like it's the
black establishment oftentimes saying I don't know what to talk about.
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I'm talking about radical ship because like, oh you are
you know, because because I'm white a five, by the
fact that I've gone to school a great deal and
I talk a certain way, etcetera, etcetera. Um, but these
these radical ideas deals though, they generated in the black community,
you know, Fred Hampton, Julie Newton, Angela Davis, Malcolm X,
Martin Luther King Jr. Like, Oh, but you know, it's
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the the it's the white left that's all about all
that ship, and we don't really like that ship in
our Here is what you know. People try to say
sometimes when it's like Naba, the spirit of the of
the sixties is alive today. Do you have a sense
of why Do you have a sense of why that is?
Because I mean you're saying that, like, yes, I get
that same sense, But I mean, why is that. I
don't understand why like in these times we would be
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maybe radical is not the right word for it, but
why in the times that we're in now that we
would be like lesser tentative to what's going on. Yeah,
and I think what I'm about to say has implications
for Atlanta, fl like Segway back into But like I
think honestly, it's like you trust who shows up. Ultimately,
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you trust who shows up. Um. Alright, So like if
you know, the black block of the electorate is treated
as a foregone conclusion we're going to vote Democrat, people
don't invest a lot of money in coming out to
talk to us because they assume we're gonna vote for Bio,
assume we're gonna vote rob assuming Love Kamala Harris and
all the ship And that is then leaving round for
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you know, Republicans to come in. Let's say, for example,
with you know, a parallel example like Bernie Sanders got
seventy of the Latino vote. And it's not even necessarily
because his ideas were like where they were in terms
of the stuff they were even asked for. Is that
his people showed up in their communities to knock on
their doors, talk to them in Spanish, make sure their
materials were in Spanish, and they were like, I like
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this guy. They showed up. I'm with that. And so
bringing it background to Atlanta, I think that you know,
Colleade and some of these other progressives that won the
City Council with the backing of the Working Families Party,
who as you said, put like six grands or six
figures into these races and like, uh, resource them well
enough to show up to go out and knock on
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the doors, to go out and have the conversations, etcetera
that you know got got brought victory. So I mean,
I don't I don't think it amount of what kind
of ideas you have. You gotta show up to talk
to people. So that's what they did, I presume, and
that's why they But um, let's see what else we got.
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Um so yes, so let's sorry. I these notes are
like pretty so what so what were the main issues
in that mayoral So yeah, so mayoral city couse campaigns.
And I feel like this is mostly media driven. Um,
I mean I I don't. I don't. I mean people
in the community were probably concerned about crime. Carme was
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a number one issue, but that itself a stoked by
the media. I mean, yes, people are victimized, people get
their cars jacked or care gunshots like I'm scared, legit,
valid feel the same. But you know, other people who
don't actually um experience crime, but fear victimization it because
they see on the news about the car and jacketings.
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They see on the news about shootings and about you
know police, you know walking off the job doing the
blue flu and going on strike and ship They're like,
oh no, what are we gonna do? Can prime number
one number one issue? It probably because of the media.
But anyway, I mean, just as a as a devil's advocate,
I think I think I would add the caveat to
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that that because the local media, you know what I'm saying,
Because I just just as as somebody who just consumes
probably way too much cable national news, then a healthy
person should. It's very much like when it it's referenced
in national media. It's very much reference, like in a
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sort of a meta way, acknowledging that they're referencing these numbers,
you know what I mean. So I would imagine, because
I don't watch a lot of local news, I would imagine,
especially since some of these right wing companies have brought
up a lot of these local news stations, I would
imagine that the local news and a lot of towns
is a fucking horror show. It is. I mean, it
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is very influential. There's very influential local Instagram accounts that like,
it's like world Star, but they post videos alike yeah black, yeah,
straight up. So they they're like, oh, look at these
animals fighting each other and they get, you know, ten
thousands of abuse. A counter example is that so in
the major race, you had Andre Dickens and Felicia Moore.
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Felicia Moore was the city council president um and so
Felia So Andre Dickens won in the runoff, He's gonna
be the next mayor of Atlanta. But uh, Felicia Moore,
who lost, accused rapper t I and producer Isaac Hayes
the third of tanking her chances at winning right, spreading
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false claims that she was gonna shut down strip clubs
and this and that, and like they said that in
interviews with local gossip magazines. As the local gossip magazines
picked up and they started, oh, Felicia More wants to
chuck down the strip clubs. And I don't know, I
don't think that's really true. But she was even saying
that that's the reason she lost. I mean, who would
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they have been helping by messing up her ship? Somebody
establishment or no. So let's be just a straight up oar. So,
I mean, both of the mayoral candidates, including the winner, um,
but you'll the candidates they met to the run off
for pretty pro police. Um. Andre Dickens did vote for
the Rachard Brooks Bill, which was a bill that came
forward last summer that was to withhold half the police
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budget until they did certain reforms. It wasn't even to
fund them. It's just like, let's not give them all
their money right now until they do some ship. So
he was getting hammered about that by like the rights
and people, and so he came out saying like, oh,
I've I've increased the police budget every year. I'm gonna
hire my officers. Of both of them, we're very pro
pro cop um. So I can't remember where I was
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going with them. I got to my feelings. No, I mean,
I'm like, okay, because who is the benefit benefit? Who
is the benefit? That's why so ridiculous, Like because it's
just like because you aren't good. I don't know, I
just don't think that. And and this might be just
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like me getting more cynical, but I'm just I'm not
really feeling that things are coincidences or accidents like that
a lot, you know. I mean, I'm not trying to
give head the benefit of the doubt of like, yo,
they're stupid, especially people who I don't think you're stupid.
I don't think t you know. I mean, I think
to your stupid, I think is kind of done. I
don't know, I don't think. I don't think his daughter
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is junk for years to make sure that like I
be in a creep. So okay, so t I he
is a creep. Okay there, But when I say not,
I just mean in the sense of like whether that
had an effect on her election or not. I just
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don't see the act of him doing that in an
election season, knowing that he at the bare minimum has
the intelligence level that I believe him to have as
being just a coincidence, you know what I mean. Oh,
I was just you know, I was I was just
getting interviewed and someone asked me a question. So I
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commented on this thing, you know. I mean, like that's
I don't know if that's gonna make anybody vote for
anybody or make anybody not vote for motherfucker, but like
that's gonna affect perception and public perception saying stuff if
it's not true. It's one thing if it's true, but
if it's not true, like if you just made that up, Yeah,
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that's way. Oh no, I don't know why you said it,
but that's fine. So okay, so let's go back to you. Okay, sorry.
So like yeah, so the coalitions I talk a little
bit Andrew Dickens being like his PROCP stuff. So Felicia
Moore started kind of like colluding with like Republicans and
like racist white people that of in the really rich
part of the city, a part of the city Buckhead
(28:03):
that is trying to see to see it from Atlanta
because they gotta like something like I like, you can't
geographically distance from the black people, so at least they
would literally just have to be like we're not We're
not y'all anymore. Yeah. So she started like going to
the Republican meetings and like Buckhead and getting their endorsement.
(28:23):
They're sending out text for her. She even posted like
a thing on Twitter, like, you know, talking about talking
about a Moda Rvery's trial and how it's not real
justice and then should never happened. She took it down.
She got dragged by right wing people on Twitter, and
she took it down. What wait, so is she like
(28:43):
a so her whole coalition was like, oh, I'm gonna
like no one else of the rain and candidates like
reaching out to this like wealthy white uh the part
of the electorate and you know, so I'm gonna fill
up that space and that's how I'm gonna win in Yeah.
But yeah, yeah, but frankly, she was only she was
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a front run front her pretty much before the runoff um,
because everybody had voted for her to keep out cassim Read.
You know about this Nigga. Cassim Read was the old
old president of Atlanta. We're seceding from Georgia. We are
in the state of Atlanta. Um so, so if he
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was an old mayor, I don't know, like maybe before
kesh Land's bottoms, current mayor, hella corrupt, mad, federal corrept
I know who you're talking about. I know you're talking
about whole administration, super all of corrupt, like mad, sketchy, greasy,
grimy and shit real bad. And so everybody voted for
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Felicia Moore to keep him from winning because he is
the black Trump. And then they were like, oh, actually
I like this bitch. Actually no, I'm saying it like
na now that Christine Read isn't in there anymore, and
you got worried about his greasy as actually this other
cat nigd whearing like blazers and situation, They're like, oh,
(30:16):
we'll go for him anyway. So the mayoral race differed
a lot from the city council races, and that everywhere else,
you know, except for mayor, all the super pro cop
candidates got bounced damn bounced. So yeah, do you have
any theories for why, I like, the the crime awareness
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message didn't land Ard. I mean, I don't even want
to say that, because the progressive one that it didn't land,
but is there is there like what became of that
message or that? Yeah, So I will answer that question
with the question because I regularly say conflicting things about this.
I think too, on one hand, that people are more
(31:00):
motivated by love than fear, Like if you're not putting
forward a positive, constructive vision of a city that you
want and you're just fearmongering and talking how shitty everything is,
like people are, people are just kind of like grossed
out and turned off by that. I also disagree with that,
and that, you know, when we talk about the mid
terms in a second, the angry or people are the
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ones that are more motivated to get out and win.
So I don't know, I'm gonna put that back to
you to ask. I don't know which one you think
is more like legit, But I think this actually speaks
to what I said the beginning is like who mobilizes
versus who just coasts on their name recognition in their incumbency, Like,
but I'm in this bitch, I'm good. What's up? Y'all
know me. I've been in this bitch for twenty years. Yeah,
(31:43):
you ain't going nowhere Versus the people who are like
humble and like I'm gonna put in the footwork to
get in there, you know, footwork winds. It's probably more true.
But what do you think about the earlier thing? Do
you think people are more motivated electorally by fear or love?
Like I want to say love, because yeah, I want
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to say hope and change and love and all that
stuff because it feels like the right thing to say.
But I think Obama, you know, yeah, But I mean,
we got Obama. There was fear involved in Obama. You
know what I'm saying. Again, I had to pull out
my old man pants and ship like that. But I
have a few years on you, and you know what
I'm saying, And like, I mean, there was there. There
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was like a fear because we had just went through
the eight years of Bush and fucking McCain was bringing
on Sarah pale Um, you know what I mean. And
it's like she was Trump before Trump was Trump. You
know what I'm saying. People were people were seeing that
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and they were hearing the things that she was saying.
And then because she was on the ticket and start
making John McCain, who obviously John Mcan's Republican is terrible
whatever whatever, but he started saying stupid insane ship like
as a result of having Sarah Palin on the ticket.
Like I remember one thing that that stuck out really
close is just because like I had friends who were
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fighting in the war and all that stuff that I remember.
He was John McCain was at a rally or something
like that after Sarah Palin had been brought on, and
he was like singing to the crowd. There were there
was he was making some point the crowd and he
was like doing the Beach Boys song and he was
like bom Bom Bom bom Bom I ran and they
(33:37):
were like all laughing about it and ship and I
remember being like what I was like maybe like like
twenty one or something like that. At the time, It's like, Yo,
these fucking Republicans are trying to make us go to
war forever, you know what I'm saying. Like, so that fear,
that palpable fear, was like, hey, hope and change, let's
do it. Yes we can, Yes we can, you know
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what I mean? And so I think I think fear
and even even when you don't think it's fear, there
is a level of like, yo, I don't want I
don't want them to win. Now that obviously, I would
imagine that changes from person to person. There's obviously like
a contingent of people who that doesn't motivate them at all,
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because really it is like some lizard brain thinking, you
know what I'm saying, be scared vote for this person.
There is there is that element to it and ship
like that. So you know, definitely kudos to those who
can rise above it. But you know, I gotta admit
my lizard brain still does come into play when it
comes to election seasons and ship like that. So it's like,
even when I don't feel motivated or if I'm not
(34:45):
excited about something, it's it's usually a good motivating factor
to me personally to think about Damn well, I definitely
don't want those. Yeah, And I'm starting to assess my
own like political leanings and like what for example, dream
me to Bernie Sanders, and Bernie Sanders had like the
United against common enemy the billionaires like, and so it
(35:08):
really was also like not like not a fear, but
like hatred but yeah, the billionaires. Yeah that's right, Uncle Bernie. Like,
so I mean maybe that is more true than like,
oh I like your constructive vision for the society. How
many how many progressives were like, legit scared of Hillary Clinton?
(35:29):
You know, no, but I mean I don't mean it scared.
I don't mean scared is in the literal like, yo,
does she like scare you? But I just mean, like
when Bernie, like part of Bernie's rise to prominence is
opposition to Hillary Clinton and the establishment that she represented,
you know, and fighting the establishment and do that and
(35:50):
we wanted in that fight came from like, yo, I
don't know what these motherfucker's are gonna do. Like you
you literally you had you had a bunch of had
a bunch to people on the left really like truly
fucking who whose brains turned to mash potatoes for like
a good two years When we're thinking and so, gee,
(36:11):
I really think Donald Trump is anti war and Hillary
clin is gonna go to war, you know what I'm saying,
And like they really like just because of their fear
of what they thought Hillary would do, they were like
willing to like give Donald Trump the benefit of the
doubt uncertain ship. So fear is definitely a motivating factor.
M one side is better at playing on it. But
(36:31):
that's that more so goes because the people who follow
that are just more prone to following their fears and
being guided by their fears and their fear of the
unknown and fears and what they don't know, what they
don't understand. But you know, I think I think us
on our on our our side definitely were susceptible to it,
for sure. I mean, and in this case, I mean, yeah,
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I say, I would say, like it's fear, and then
it's really hard as an incumbent generally to like defend
your ship when like where the world stays bad, I
would argue because of capitalism. So like if you're progressive
or you're conservative or whatever, if you're a fucking flying monkey,
and like after four years, like shi, it's not better,
(37:14):
Ain't nobody don't care? They don't kick your asks the
curb because it's not better because it's but so hard
to I mean, like, like I advocate people to get
involved at the local level, but actually I mean, frankly,
there's only so much we could do. But I mean,
so in this case, like Cleto Winslow, who got beaten
by Jason Doger had been in office twenty eight years
and if like he didn't really have to even like
(37:36):
put it forward like a constructive positive message or in
stoked beer. All he had to do was go say,
I don't think how the poward things going. Do you
like what's happening? Do you like do you think the
city is better? And if you don't, it's like I
like that. Nickels like, yeah, I'm not a very nice
young man, um and so yeah, I mean, uh, it's
(38:01):
just really interesting that all these cats were sucking pro
Cop like Jackie's a bot was the sheriff's wife, the
wife of the sheriff of Fulton County who has been
fighting to like keep the Fultone County Jail open, even
after they secured an agreement to like close the Phone
County Jail. She was running for city council low key
(38:21):
to like to protect her husband's job security of sheriff,
you know, and she got her ass kicked. Uh Cleyo
Winslow super pro Cop got her as kick. They had
an episode on Cops City a couple of my guests
a month or two ago. But like the lady who
Chant who like the author of Cops City and was
pushing for that ship boom gone, fuck you Joyce Shephard
(38:43):
out of here. So it's interesting that like a mixture
of these things, the footwork, the fact that she's not
really better, and so like the incumbents just don't stand
a chance, Like here we are more progressive city council
and let it. Oh no, my cat's gonna eat my pizza.
No go save it. We had a roach killings, We
(39:07):
got cats eating pizza. What other show are you gonna hear?
Roach killings and cats eating pizza? It's waiting on reparation.
It had anchovies on it. But like, I don't even
blame the A little dude. All right, let me see
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if I could get some of your like analysis on
the situation. Is this something that is particular to perhaps
the demographics of where some of these candidates were running,
or is it something particular to the time that we're
in or the state that Georgia is in politically? Like,
(39:51):
is this something? Is this something that that democrats? Is
this something that you feel that that democrats buy at large,
whether they be neo liberal or whatever, can pay attention
to and kind of learn some strategies from things that
were done in these Georgia elections to not feel the
need to be in the center or absolutely absolutely, people
(40:13):
would be like, oh, you know, the South Georgia is
gonna go down just like Virginia. Well, motherfucker, I doubt
that Virginia has a percent voter registration rate. Georgians are
now registered to vote, largely thanks to Staty Abrahams New
Georgia Project fair fight well with the other one, Yes, well,
(40:34):
New Georgia Project, New Georgia mostly um. And so it's
like putting in the footwork. They actually talk to people.
So then you think that's the key, Then that's that's yeah,
that's what Georgia more, you know, unique among like newly
blue states is that you know, we put in the
footwork to register voters, to engage voters, to you know,
(40:56):
to actually just go talk to people. Like I said,
whoever shows up wins, and Democrats been showing up two
or you know, like low key democratic but nonpartistan organization
has been showing up to like get people involved. And
so that's the formula. I mean, granted, it's easy to do,
like when in the runoffs last year, you know, or
fu earlier this year Jesus Christ for the Senate, like
(41:20):
you had niggas, it was like a billion dollars put
into the state set pay people don't knock on doors.
They had postcards from Arizona, Milwaukee, New Hampshire, Nigga's right,
and like, hey, don't forget to and then put in
your absentee you know all the ship it doesn't. I mean,
that's a pretty unique fiscal situation, you know what I'm saying, Like,
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and not everybody got the got the bag like that,
but um, we do we put in the forwork. I
think that's it. I think that's you know what's happening
in the state of Georgia. The playbook that's brought us
to this moment both in Atlanta and like I think,
like like Challengers beat and come across the state, Warner
(42:02):
Robbins got their first black female mayor and ship like
all over the state, this has been true. So what
are your thoughts on Stacy's announcement? Bro, I think we
have to do a whole nother fucking episode on this
because we've been rambling about landing for old you know,
so me and we may have come back to this,
but I will say that, um coming, but we all
(42:25):
knew it's gonna happen. We knew it. We knew it
was gonna be for something. I'm not gonna lie. I
have my post my yard signed up on my wall.
Fucking took that ship down, put it up in the yard.
The same night. I was like, let's go. It's very
clear that you know, she announced because the energy was
high among Democrats across the state because we're running things,
(42:46):
winning things. So she was like, all right, let's go,
let's fucking rock y'all, y'all, y'all think, y'all hype. Now,
let's get hype baby. So, like you know, so here
we are, she's running for governor. If she pulls it off.
How old is Stacey Abrams? Do you know old enough? Huh?
I mean well, I just I mean because I'm thinking
(43:10):
of the future, because I mean, yeah, if Stacy Abrams
was able to pull that ship off, like after like
on top of everything that she's already done, she's able
to win, you become the next governor of Georgia. I
think she will be president one day. Oh yeah, she's
(43:30):
been said she want to president. Yeah. I just I
just think that's gonna solidify, Like I think that will
just make it inevitable. I think so, I think, yeah, um,
so so quick like point of order for us, not
for on the recording. We have been recording for maybe
like fifteen minutes we have Okay, I think we think
we started at like eleven. So that's why I said, like, oh,
(43:53):
we might have to do another episode on this because
we that's already talked about a ton of ship. Let's
transition into the break and then let's come back and
let's listen to one song for music discussion off all right,
So um so yeah, like like quick thoughts, you know,
we're gonna have to do another episode of Stacy Abrams alone.
(44:15):
But just generally speaking, you know, with this happening and
it's so fresh in our minds, what do you think?
Do you think this means anything affects anything with the
mid terms or not? Because the poll recently came came
out that shows Democrats pretty much getting trouped in just
(44:36):
about every category, whether you want to talk about these
bullshit cultural issues or even down to like the economics
and stuff like that, but they're getting hammered. So so
I mean, I think that drawing off of what what
I've been talking about earlier about footwork, the question is
whether or not progressive footwork can out it overcome, overcome,
(45:02):
like the disatisfaction among the electorate that like, other than
the child tax credit, which my ass is gonna be
getting in January with South or in about some month,
I'm buying some shoes some Jordan's not just getting them
buying baby formula. But um, you know, that's the only
thing that people are gonna feel between now and She's
like build back better agenda, roads and bridges and ship
(45:25):
and they know that that you're coming until pretty much
so people who haven't seen the you know, reaped what
has been sown by Biden and his in his ilk.
So people aren't happy, people aren't gonna turn out. And
also the issue of just like the people who are
more piste off generate more mobilization and then they win.
(45:47):
It just swings back and forth there in the mid terms,
the party and power get their asses whooped, and it's
just how it goes. I honestly, I'm just anticipating that
that's just probably what's gonna happen. His historically has happened.
One thing that might help in the Democrats favor. I mean,
you know, like you said, this is we're talking about
patterns that are political patterns that are set by historical
(46:09):
precedent going back like sixty years. So there's a there's
an amount of it that's inevitable and ship Okay, I'm
so sorry, I'm so sorry. I gotta do this, but
I just found out that the local sheriff's department near
half of Georgia just posted an opening for their communications director,
which to me says I got him shook. Yeah, somebody left.
(46:34):
When they left, I don't know what happened. Maybe they
got tired of dealing with us, or maybe they didn't
have one and now they feel that they do. We
feel like they got to like, yeah, he's winning the
public narrative, she's winning the battle of hearts and mines.
Like what we don't do? We can't just kill her, gemmy.
So I'm sorry. We gotta come back to talking about
(46:54):
the mid terms, all right. So there's an amount of
that that is inevitable. It's gonna happen because of those
are the patterns and stuff. But we can't overlook the
fact that you know, in a day, two days, three days,
maybe a week, like the Supreme Court very much could
(47:15):
overturn Roe v. Wade. And if they do that, in
these challenges start coming in, those ships are not going
to start coming in until around mid terms. Okay, So
if the backdrop of the mid terms is like the act,
the actual like court struggle about like Roe v. Wade,
(47:36):
that could be part of that fear that motivated fear
factor that we were talking about. On the degree I
mean to that, I will say, maybe not game changing,
but it could be game changing. Um could also be
that low income and like brack and black and brown
women have barely been able to get abortions anyway, That's
how I would frame it, because it's like, because that's
what it is, because like I can't take a day
(47:58):
off work to drive to al to pay five dollars
to like not have to have a baby, Like I
I can't get childcare for my other three kids to
go down here and do this. I don't have a car.
I can't make it there. So like abortion is already
illegal for like tons of people in a certain sense,
like abortion is inaccessible to tons of people. So I
don't think they're going to be motivated to come out
and vote by that. Frankly, so unfortunately, unfortunately, yeah, yeah, question,
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I'm the question again. I'm saying and like, can the
footwork overcome people's satisfaction with the Democratic Party right now?
So a lot of people, um, you know, Latasha Brown,
CEO of Black Voters Matter, UM, others have talked about
feeling like they got thrown over under the bus by
the Biden administration because they refused to boss the filibuster
(48:45):
and pass voting rights legislation. Uh. And they're they're counting
on us to do the footwork to overcome um voter suppression.
Brandon additional fact of interest is that the turner the
Allanta elections that we were just talking about was up
even though they had just passed that vote. Is sup
(49:06):
pressure ship We talked about an episode a couple of
back months a month back, so, UM, who knows is
I can't believe I'm saying this is the voter suppression?
Really that well? I mean, or was it something to
scare people into coming out to vote for by Like
(49:27):
I really freaked out about it. I think I think
that I think that that sort of you, while valid,
I think that downplays the work that Stacey A rooms
that No, not at all, Like I think it's just
like something It's just this has been a project that
she's been working on for like four or five years,
(49:51):
you know what I mean. So perhaps she's built it
up to where it's kind of as far as Georgia's concerned.
Maybe that grassroots effort in the footwork that you put
in makes it kind of voter suppression proof. Oh yeah,
So that little just an indicator of how this could
go in the mid terms, and that if the footwork
is enough to overcome voter depression. Indeed, then perhaps is
(50:13):
the footwork enough to bring it turn out in the
mid terms and ship y'all think it's better just let
these Republicans win, y'all. If y'all, if y'all overcome their
voter suppression, they're about to bring slavery backs like it
didn't work, bring out the chains. We can't let these
thinkus vote. Thank you, get out your guns and swarm
(50:34):
the capitals, all the capitals. We tried to make the
lines eight hours long and they still came out and voted. Goddamnit.
Jim Crows coming back. Yeah all right, Um, that's what
we got for today. Uh, next week we are so yeah, yeah,
we got we're gonna have when we come back from
(50:55):
the break. We're gonna have a music discussion. But just
before we get back getting that. When we come back
next week, we are going to be doing our episode
on Dick Gregory. Going to be kind of a deep
dive into the life of Dick Gregory life and times,
talk about his activism, his career, his meaning is impact
American culture and just black culture in general. Um and yeah,
(51:15):
well we're gonna be back since we're talking about Georgia elections,
we are going to talk about a Georgia song when
we come back, So we'll be back with that after
the job. All right, ladies and gentlemen, you gotta say
they're gonna cough, let it out. I'd get it out
(51:41):
your shirt. You what are you doing? You gotta giving
me strong Jim Carrey vibes right now, like the faces
and like the sounds. Anyway, welcome back to waiting on reparations.
I'm waiting. I'm seeing the doctor because I'm coughing a
great deal. All right. So you know, like I said
before we got a break, we're talking about the Georgia elections.
(52:02):
So I wanted to talk about a Georgia song from
back in the day. I posted up that link. You
see that This is uh, it's the last link on
the So this is a tract by Ludicrous featuring Field
Mob and Jamie Fox. It is called Georgia. Y'all remember
(52:26):
this ship. This is like two thousand six. You know
what I'm saying, Like some of y'all's closes closes way
too baggy. You remember what you know what? It was,
rest my Georgia. Bold com anywhere on my land and
I'll aim at Georgia. Remember this, And it's got the
sample right, yeah, the the Ray Charles sample. Uh yeah,
(52:47):
Ray Charles sample. But because it was back just back
when Jamie Fox played uh Ray Charles and the Ray movie.
So like of course they had to. They had the
they had the Ray Charles sample. They got Jamie Fox
to actually say get instead of sampling Ray far y'all
can't see it going. Uh so yeah, ludle Cris Georgia.
(53:08):
You know, Ludacris is one of the artists that I
always felt like repped super hard for Georgia and just
the city of Atlanta in general. You I don't know
if you remember. He had another one back in two
thousand two called Welcome to Atlanta, had Jermaine Dupris on it.
And Nelly. If you go up to the Atlanta Airport,
(53:29):
they got a big gass like glowing banner, like electronic banner.
When you're coming up the escalator has got ludicrous face
on it. It's like welcome to Atlanta. Yeah yeah, de ass.
So what do you think about What do you think
about that? I think it's beautiful. I think I love
the particularities. I love that they're like, yo, I'm out
down at all the name, I'm wrapping for the Yellow
(53:49):
Jackets and George the tech good Current turned up greens
and color greens and you know, go dogs like it's cute.
It's cute. I like the cultural you know, like signs.
I mean, you ever disrespect will clean out your dirty
mouth something the dirty South, like yeah, all that ship
is dope, man, I mean I I like it. You know.
(54:10):
Hip hop I think is always at its best when
it's got that personal vibe to it. And there's nothing
more personal when when you're rapping than either talking about
your family or the city that you're from. You know
what I'm saying. It's like, it's like it usually if
you're dealing with good m c s, there's always gonna
be like a sort of personal touch that somebody's gonna
(54:32):
be able to put on that hometown song, you know
what I mean, to make it unique to them. So
I feel like this track, everybody kind of went in
on it with their style, but you know, like the
subject matter all everyone having the same topic of what
they were talking about and it being something that's so
personal to everyone, you know, like as far as where
(54:53):
they're from. Man, this, I mean, this ship still bumps.
Today's out there when North Carolina about Peter Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly,
great anthems for a state, Yeah, no one or like
even um, do you want to get something a little
bit more poppy, like New York State of Mind or
Empire state of Mind with a jay Z and very
(55:16):
different New York, Yeah, very different, but one is like
the grimy realness. The other ones like paid for by
the New York Tourism bureauth. I forget if it was
you or if it was me, but one of us
made the point that it was like, oh, like Empire
state of Mind is kind of like that's the song
that you use in like the official City of New York,
(55:37):
like commercial or ad or something like that. We're getting
blown by, like Elmo in the Little Elmo costume outside
of the eminem Store. I don't mean this in a
negative way, but I feel like that the Georgia song,
the Ludicrous Georgia song that we just listened to, is
that same sort of way. Like it feels like if
you had like cool people on city council or meat
(56:00):
or a cool beard, that'd be like, yeah, let's use
that for the Welcome to Georgia commercial. Let's use that song.
I like that. Alright, ladies and gentlemen, that is all
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(57:04):
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(00:28):
pick it up and get right into it. So we
you know, we've been really good, as our executive producer
has been getting us to to be a lot more
prompt when we're recording these, but we have gone back
to our bullshit and we are on one of those
late night sessions and you just got our City Hall.
(00:49):
I don't even like these. I just got out of
a Christmas party from the day job. I'm fucking I
got I got a few with me. I'm feeling good,
all right, So tell us a about the city Hall
meeting that bro. So, I just got home from city Hall.
It's our last volting meeting of the year, and there
are several contentious issues on the agenda. For months, for
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months or a year, we've been working on an eviction
defense program to keep people from getting kicked out of
their house and they lost their job or got sick
because of COVID, etcetera. Um, we finally passed it tonight. Um.
But interestingly, like d c A and the Department of
Community Affairs of Georgia, like they've started, you know, giving
out millions of dollars to communities that had a program
(01:30):
like this already. Yeah, and we didn't for various reasons,
mostly obvious reasons. People have been staling. People have been
stalling it, stalling it, stalling it. And so I am
so thankful that finally, you know, all these families that
you know been hit me up like yo, what I'm
I'm living in the back of you hall whatever, Like
(01:51):
what we're gonna do? You can get some help. Um,
it's unfortunate that it's so late, but that happened to
night we approved um contract and funding for a safe
place for the homeless folk to sleep. So how long
exactly have you been working on it? So eviction prevention
literally probably a year to the day YouTube in the
programs like this exists in Guenda County. Yeah, because I
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mean we were we were talking about eviction mortary moratariums
like a year ago and still at it. We still
had it. Yeah. No, So finally and then and it
speaks as well. I mean, yes, people stalled it and
that was very unfortunate. But in general, like the time
scales in which we have to understand, like policy unfolds
are so long, Like just generally the gears of government
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just turned so slowly, like a year to pull off
a program. It's like it's like a it's like a
very modest amount of time. Frankly, well, I don't I
don't want to get like two into the weeds with
let's go, but like, okay, so just I mean, anybody
who's a regular listener to this show, they will have
heard the like they will they will know how often
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you're in city Hall obviously a year and elected officials,
so they know that, Like you've been working on this
for a year, like you just said it. So what
is it exactly? You know, if you guys are meeting
up so much, right and y'all are discussing these things
in these issues, what is it exactly that makes a
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project like this take a year to do? Yeah, Like
like like is it is? It isn't? And I don't
want to characterize us in the in like the unfair
ware whatever, but it's like, is the progress that's made
from day to day and meeting the meeting. Is it
like that small that or that minute of a thing
that it takes that duration of time or do things
(03:39):
get snagged up and just in the sauce or or
what so? Yeah, I'll say two things about that. Firstly,
like a lot of our trouble and particularly implementing innovative
solutions things like fair free public transportation, or like a
safe place for homeless people to sleep, um or they
won't be criminalized living outdoors like we have. We have
(04:01):
to do two things. We have to Oftentimes, if we're
you're dealing with federal funding, they have so many hurdles
that we have to jump through in order to ensure compliance.
Who's your accountant, you getting insurance from, what's your you know,
the line of credit, what's your background doing this? All
this stuff that just like if you chop up all
those little parts each take like a week to work through,
(04:22):
and so you're looking at weeks and weeks and weeks
and um so yeah, there's that to it, and I
guess to agree to a degree to your um your
second question, um, yeah, Ultimately, like because we move in
such slow motion, you know you can see all the
like you know, slow motion rainstorm. You see all the
individual droplets like as they hit the ground, and that's
(04:43):
kind of like those little individual droplets of what we
traffick in. It's like, okay, let's put push this a
ford a little bit, a little bit, and over time
it adds up. I brought up fair fee public transportation.
People have been fighting for that for ten years and
we just did it. And so it's just like all
the little droplets slow motion smash no ground and finally,
like you can see like the time speeds up and
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finally see like, oh snap, it's right and what's up.
So then so okay, and then then I'm gonna ask
this and I kind of already know what your acts
is gonna be. All right. So if like the average
person is looking at this and they're thinking, man, this
is taken too long. These people are just full of ship.
They just need to hurry up and do these things,
you being on the inside and seeing the way this
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gets this goes down, doesn't give you more of an
understanding of like, no, I understand why it takes this long,
or are you on the same line of Bill, this
is bullshit that should be going faster. I mean part
of me it's like, yo, this is bullshit, Like this
should be going faster. Um. There is a part in
which like you you die a hero, you live long
enough to become the village, or like I find myself
(05:48):
being like wait, you guys, I promise we're working on it,
and like ending the government, which, like the activists and me,
like my heart just tears into tiny type pieces every
time I have to do it for this real ship though,
I mean I don't even want to say that's real ship,
but I mean, is it? Is it real ship? Is it?
Like the activist part of you wants to be like nah,
but the politician part is like nah. There's kind of
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a reason why it's And it's really hard to like
moderate that because I gotta like stand up for the
people and be like you, right, this is bullshit, and
like yell but like staff, they're like trying their hardest
know what to do, and I don't doesn't help If
you yell at them, they're gonna just break out more
and do it worse. Um. And so there's also like
you know, trying to have grace for them, trying to
convey to the public wild things take too long. And
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then something else I want to say on your first part,
why stuff takes so long? Because you know, the Homeless
Safe Site is being run by like a like a
black nonprofit that's very grassroots, very just like in the
thick of it, no paperwork, no, like they just kind
of flying to see their pants. But like start of
the pandemic, when everybody was scared to hug each other,
they were going out into the forest to bring hot
(06:52):
plates of food to the homeless people. You remember when
I went out there with them maybe and like brought
the plates and we sat up there. Yeah. And so
like when you when you're working with an organization that
historically has not just worked just hasn't worked with black people. Um,
you know, when these organizations have not had the resources
or the institutional support to do large scale work, there's
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gonna be like intercultural communication problems. Like it's not that
it's not like malice that like our staff doesn't know
how to communicate to these people, or these people don't
know how to communicate staff. It's just like no one
has had too before. It's naived almost rather than like maliciousness.
And so that's why stuff takes so long when you
try to like, all right, we finally go smatch down
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the doors and get some black people in here, get
some money to like do this work. It's gonna take
a long time because we have never done that before.
I don't know how. So yes, that's the the why,
the reason why things take long. But okay, so so
if it it took long, we got done. But this
is not even the only thing. But yeah, so for
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weight there us more so safe Side got passed. The
Victim Defense Program got passed. So we also, uh were
asked to reapprove federal funding for the Northeast Georgia Regional
Narcotics Task Force, which I for year after year I've
been critical love and I voted for the last year
(08:19):
I put an amendments that alright to sell podcasts for
we da dadaa. And this year is like, no, what
fucking nope, I ain't doing the fil mode. So I
published an off ed a couple of days ago. You
can go you can do you search me on like
social media. I'm right for Athens. You can go find
and read it. It was very spicy, very spicy talking
about the history of this grant, and it's delaterious effects
(08:41):
on black communities and some public health solutions that are better. Um,
including So one of the spicy spicy things about it,
how to go, how to go. So one of the
spice you think about it is like I took it
all the way back to the source, like where does
the grant come from? Where the drug war come from?
And I referenced in Lee at Water famous Republican strategists
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working under Monald Reagan said you remember the ship. Yes,
So he was like, you say nigger, nigger, nigger, but
you cant say nigger anymore, so you say it was
it was actually it was Nixon, not Reagan. Oh well yeah, okay, yeah, yeah,
um yeah he was. He pretty much spilled the beans
(09:27):
on the Southern strategy that right, yes, yes, employed so,
um yeah, it's it's a famous recording. As a matter
of fact, if I can find a find a non
cover written, yeah, we'll play it on it. But he
pretty much runs down how esoteric that the Republican Party
got with the racism, you know what I mean, but
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expresses such a deliberate nous behind it that it's just
and so like you know, that's when the strategies like
the drug war came Bronx. You can't say nigger nigger anymore.
You can say we gotta get tough one crime and
catch criminals. So I went into it. I laid out
the facts, but these motherfucker's criminology, public health reason why
this is all bullshit. We need to do things new way.
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Well police Trape wasn't too happy about that. Um sent
me like a five page rebuttle earlier today he was
big bad, just lost it. Apparently it's feeling for a
real hurt um the A local journalist called his response extraordinary,
if not unprecedented. UM So, anyway, I went off all
these motherfucker's like, Yo, this is what it's this is
(10:31):
what's really really rude. Right now, y'all go, y'all go
and mindlessly perpet your way Reagan's legacy. Y'all gonna take
lea Water's advice, like what's good? What's popping? You know?
What is funny? Just you mentioned in that, but like
something that I just feel didn't get enough pressed. But
do you recall that about a year ago they uncovered
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some Reagan tapes having a conversation with somebody with oh yeah,
he's being like hella rasing like, hell, I want to
meet with like the leaders of these after African countries.
Feet yeah, yo yo, niggas said dirty feet something like that.
I don't quote me. It was something about their feet,
you know, I know, I know what you mean it was.
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It was just like it was some stereotypy. It was
like some beyond plausible deniability ship. And I just felt
like I just felt like that kind of went under
the radar. So, you know, just just something. I feel
like all the way they pull it out tape left
and right, left and right, left and right. I know
Bill Clinton has now been implicated in the Gelaan Maxwell trial,
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or maybe like do you want some ship with some
underage kids? Which I don't find surprising. Um, the receipts,
all the receipts. Trump is trying to start a constitutional crisis,
so nobody can find the fucking log records of anything
that was said during this time of Can you imagine
I think we've said something about this in the last episode,
(12:00):
but can you imagine how many niggas was flying around
Pupil's vows in the Trump White House? Like for real,
like you're telling me, you're telling me. The Steve Bannon wasn't.
It wasn't thrown around the N word word. So what
are we what are you talking about today? I'm sorry,
I'm sorry. We were just riffing a ship, which you know,
(12:21):
you're talking about Trump and a constitutional crisis. Maybe think
about Matt Gates coming out today. Then if the GOP
wins the House back, they're gonna try to put Trump
in and Speaker of the House. I don't know how
much I buy that, but I think we can just
(12:41):
take that as like as as validation that they're gonna
do all sorts of crazy ship. Yeah, I'm gonna say
when they win the House back, I want to say if.
But you know, which brings us to our topic to today.
So last week we had runoff elections in municipal races
across Georgia and results were pretty good for progressive and
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so UM. And then we also had Stacy Abraham's announced
for governor for the Democratic Party, David Purdue, former Senator
of Georgia, announced for a governor on Republican side. And
so we're gonna talk about what happened last week as
well as what might go down just looking at like,
you know, what are these results mean for the year
to come, if anything, etcetera, etcetera. We're gonna get into
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all that after the jump. But first, but I need
to know about this Christmas party it went down, so
I would I can tell you had a gleam in
your eye, all right? So okay, So like you know,
I do this podcast and I wrap and that's you know,
more or less for the most parts, how brother makes
it goes. But let's keep it real, you know, and
(13:49):
then you gotta get a regular jailb So at the
j ob we had this Christmas party and you know,
the the jig is up and the word is out.
Oh man, do you guys know that mac maps? I
heard the Max a really good rapper, Like that ship's
going on, right. So we have the Christmas party. The
bosses are like, hey, do you wanna you know, we're
(14:09):
like every First of all, they like broke it up
into pieces, like somebody who's there's a girl there who
does stand up comedy and she did like a roast
of everybody. It was pretty funny. They had like a
magician come in and he did like some David Blade
magic tricks that I gotta say, what happened? He didn't
cut a girl in half. But he was doing something
(14:29):
like he was doing something like pulling a bowling ball
out of like a paper thin briefcase type ship like
but I was standing like two feet from him and
seeing it. So as far as I'm concerned, Nick is
a wizard, you know what I mean? Like it was
that crazy. If you did that, you had a couple
of drinks and maybe something else in this was before
the drinks. No, but the Magic Tricks was before the drinks.
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Briefcase saw you know what, I got that ship on video.
You'll check on the check on the Instagram. Um. But yeah,
you know, like we've been talking for the last few months.
They're like, hey, we want you to do some kind
of because they went to the Afroman show that I
did the Owners, and they were like, hey, we want
you to do kind of a little wrap thing for them. So,
(15:12):
you know, I went there thinking it was just all good.
I started knocking some back, thinking I was just gonna
chill there for a couple of hours and then head
back here to record, and they like straight up snuck
a p A system up on me with a bunch
of Pete rock beats like like like that, you know what,
I mean like yo, They're like, yo, do you want
to go in? I was like, I'm just picturing them
(15:35):
like rolling it out like a little thing while you're
not looking. It's like really quietly tell him, like stack
it up behind you with its pretty much what it was.
So like at first, I was like nervous, like, oh,
because there's some like corny Christmas thing you want me
to do. And they're like, no, just just do you
you know what I mean? So I just I freestyle
the dude who about the props. I did some games
(15:56):
and it just all felt really warm, like co worker,
you know what I'm saying. But I gotta saying. The
paid day was pretty good. But the the paid day
was pretty they was you know that that was like
when you do those like university shows or like the shows.
It was one of those sort of shows or you're like, yeah, yeah,
(16:16):
that was so I'm feeling good. I'm feeling good. But
we're gonna get into all this stuff about the Georgia
Progressives fucking wrecking ship, and we'll be right back with
that after the jump. Alright, ladies and gentlemen, we are back.
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So per the Atlanta Journal Constitution, the story of the
Metro runoffs goes beyond the fact that a string of
incumbents were ousted. If you look closer, you'll find that
many of the winners were backed by the Georgia Working
Families Party. That's a local chapter of a relatively new
national progressive party based in Brooklyn, New York. Three of
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the newly elected city council members. Why don't you go
ahead and say those names. Yeah, we got Lily on
a Bati, We got Antonio Lewis, We got Jason Dojer
who respectively of Li Liana um is Iranian American non binary.
Um were individual Antonio Lewis, um, you know, reps hard
for you know, Cleveland Avenue, very well supported by like
(17:24):
the labor movement. And then we got Jason Doser, who
is a military vet uh quote unquote progressive's pretty progressive guy, um,
you know, longtime activist in the like Mechanicsville kind of
area of Amanta. And then whose last whose last I
was another one can forget forget about so most exciting
(17:46):
to me, Kali cameo, um, my boy city councilman in
South Fulton democratists and uh demograt socialists and um openly
gay openly queer individual one the mayorship is going to
be the mayor of the blackest city in America. It's
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like ninety percent black South Polks any one, And I
think it really so. I think all of this there's
very interesting implications for what this means about the state
of politics where the electorate is at in Georgia. But
I think this in particular, if we may take a
moment to break it down. You know, he may not
have run on explicitly like defund the police like platform,
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but you know he's wrapping that life. You know, a
lot of you know, his democratic socialist ideas, couching those
ideas in in in in in recular people understand about
like supporting youth entrepreneurship and small businesses and more land
ownership for the people. But like the fact that he
was like a progressive, perhaps even a radical, you know,
queer black man. Um It's like, you know, people try
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and say, oh, black people aren't down for that kind
of ship. They're not, like, you know, radicalism of the
sixties is over. But like he's he's proved that, ain't
Is that what people are saying? I don't know, what
do you think people are saying about where the black
electorate is at. I don't know. I mean, I'm not
even gonna front I I don't I don't know. I
don't really have a sense of like what they're saying.
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You know what I mean. M Well, here's what I get. Often,
I all a lot of people that I mean, to
their credit, you know see that I I like sucking
advanced degrees or whatever. You know, I like, I'm very articulate, negro, etcetera, etcetera,
And so I have like black people like it's the
black establishment oftentimes saying I don't know what to talk about.
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I'm talking about radical ship because like, oh you are
you know, because because I'm white a five, by the
fact that I've gone to school a great deal and
I talk a certain way, etcetera, etcetera. Um, but these
these radical ideas deals though, they generated in the black community,
you know, Fred Hampton, Julie Newton, Angela Davis, Malcolm X,
Martin Luther King Jr. Like, Oh, but you know, it's
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the the it's the white left that's all about all
that ship, and we don't really like that ship in
our Here is what you know. People try to say
sometimes when it's like Naba, the spirit of the of
the sixties is alive today. Do you have a sense
of why Do you have a sense of why that is?
Because I mean you're saying that, like, yes, I get
that same sense, But I mean, why is that. I
don't understand why like in these times we would be
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maybe radical is not the right word for it, but
why in the times that we're in now that we
would be like lesser tentative to what's going on. Yeah,
and I think what I'm about to say has implications
for Atlanta, fl like Segway back into But like I
think honestly, it's like you trust who shows up. Ultimately,
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you trust who shows up. Um. Alright, So like if
you know, the black block of the electorate is treated
as a foregone conclusion we're going to vote Democrat, people
don't invest a lot of money in coming out to
talk to us because they assume we're gonna vote for Bio,
assume we're gonna vote rob assuming Love Kamala Harris and
all the ship And that is then leaving round for
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you know, Republicans to come in. Let's say, for example,
with you know, a parallel example like Bernie Sanders got
seventy of the Latino vote. And it's not even necessarily
because his ideas were like where they were in terms
of the stuff they were even asked for. Is that
his people showed up in their communities to knock on
their doors, talk to them in Spanish, make sure their
materials were in Spanish, and they were like, I like
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this guy. They showed up. I'm with that. And so
bringing it background to Atlanta, I think that you know,
Colleade and some of these other progressives that won the
City Council with the backing of the Working Families Party,
who as you said, put like six grands or six
figures into these races and like, uh, resource them well
enough to show up to go out and knock on
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the doors, to go out and have the conversations, etcetera
that you know got got brought victory. So I mean,
I don't I don't think it amount of what kind
of ideas you have. You gotta show up to talk
to people. So that's what they did, I presume, and
that's why they But um, let's see what else we got.
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Um so yes, so let's sorry. I these notes are
like pretty so what so what were the main issues
in that mayoral So yeah, so mayoral city couse campaigns.
And I feel like this is mostly media driven. Um,
I mean I I don't. I don't. I mean people
in the community were probably concerned about crime. Carme was
(22:27):
a number one issue, but that itself a stoked by
the media. I mean, yes, people are victimized, people get
their cars jacked or care gunshots like I'm scared, legit,
valid feel the same. But you know, other people who
don't actually um experience crime, but fear victimization it because
they see on the news about the car and jacketings.
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They see on the news about shootings and about you
know police, you know walking off the job doing the
blue flu and going on strike and ship They're like,
oh no, what are we gonna do? Can prime number
one number one issue? It probably because of the media.
But anyway, I mean, just as a as a devil's advocate,
I think I think I would add the caveat to
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that that because the local media, you know what I'm saying,
Because I just just as as somebody who just consumes
probably way too much cable national news, then a healthy
person should. It's very much like when it it's referenced
in national media. It's very much reference, like in a
(23:31):
sort of a meta way, acknowledging that they're referencing these numbers,
you know what I mean. So I would imagine, because
I don't watch a lot of local news, I would imagine,
especially since some of these right wing companies have brought
up a lot of these local news stations, I would
imagine that the local news and a lot of towns
is a fucking horror show. It is. I mean, it
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is very influential. There's very influential local Instagram accounts that like,
it's like world Star, but they post videos alike yeah black, yeah,
straight up. So they they're like, oh, look at these
animals fighting each other and they get, you know, ten
thousands of abuse. A counter example is that so in
the major race, you had Andre Dickens and Felicia Moore.
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Felicia Moore was the city council president um and so
Felia So Andre Dickens won in the runoff, He's gonna
be the next mayor of Atlanta. But uh, Felicia Moore,
who lost, accused rapper t I and producer Isaac Hayes
the third of tanking her chances at winning right, spreading
(24:37):
false claims that she was gonna shut down strip clubs
and this and that, and like they said that in
interviews with local gossip magazines. As the local gossip magazines
picked up and they started, oh, Felicia More wants to
chuck down the strip clubs. And I don't know, I
don't think that's really true. But she was even saying
that that's the reason she lost. I mean, who would
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they have been helping by messing up her ship? Somebody
establishment or no. So let's be just a straight up oar. So,
I mean, both of the mayoral candidates, including the winner, um,
but you'll the candidates they met to the run off
for pretty pro police. Um. Andre Dickens did vote for
the Rachard Brooks Bill, which was a bill that came
forward last summer that was to withhold half the police
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budget until they did certain reforms. It wasn't even to
fund them. It's just like, let's not give them all
their money right now until they do some ship. So
he was getting hammered about that by like the rights
and people, and so he came out saying like, oh,
I've I've increased the police budget every year. I'm gonna
hire my officers. Of both of them, we're very pro
pro cop um. So I can't remember where I was
(25:48):
going with them. I got to my feelings. No, I mean,
I'm like, okay, because who is the benefit benefit? Who
is the benefit? That's why so ridiculous, Like because it's
just like because you aren't good. I don't know, I
just don't think that. And and this might be just
(26:08):
like me getting more cynical, but I'm just I'm not
really feeling that things are coincidences or accidents like that
a lot, you know. I mean, I'm not trying to
give head the benefit of the doubt of like, yo,
they're stupid, especially people who I don't think you're stupid.
I don't think t you know. I mean, I think
to your stupid, I think is kind of done. I
don't know, I don't think. I don't think his daughter
(26:32):
is junk for years to make sure that like I
be in a creep. So okay, so t I he
is a creep. Okay there, But when I say not,
I just mean in the sense of like whether that
had an effect on her election or not. I just
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don't see the act of him doing that in an
election season, knowing that he at the bare minimum has
the intelligence level that I believe him to have as
being just a coincidence, you know what I mean. Oh,
I was just you know, I was I was just
getting interviewed and someone asked me a question. So I
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commented on this thing, you know. I mean, like that's
I don't know if that's gonna make anybody vote for
anybody or make anybody not vote for motherfucker, but like
that's gonna affect perception and public perception saying stuff if
it's not true. It's one thing if it's true, but
if it's not true, like if you just made that up, Yeah,
(27:41):
that's way. Oh no, I don't know why you said it,
but that's fine. So okay, so let's go back to you. Okay, sorry.
So like yeah, so the coalitions I talk a little
bit Andrew Dickens being like his PROCP stuff. So Felicia
Moore started kind of like colluding with like Republicans and
like racist white people that of in the really rich
part of the city, a part of the city Buckhead
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that is trying to see to see it from Atlanta
because they gotta like something like I like, you can't
geographically distance from the black people, so at least they
would literally just have to be like we're not We're
not y'all anymore. Yeah. So she started like going to
the Republican meetings and like Buckhead and getting their endorsement.
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They're sending out text for her. She even posted like
a thing on Twitter, like, you know, talking about talking
about a Moda Rvery's trial and how it's not real
justice and then should never happened. She took it down.
She got dragged by right wing people on Twitter, and
she took it down. What wait, so is she like
(28:43):
a so her whole coalition was like, oh, I'm gonna
like no one else of the rain and candidates like
reaching out to this like wealthy white uh the part
of the electorate and you know, so I'm gonna fill
up that space and that's how I'm gonna win in Yeah.
But yeah, yeah, but frankly, she was only she was
(29:06):
a front run front her pretty much before the runoff um,
because everybody had voted for her to keep out cassim Read.
You know about this Nigga. Cassim Read was the old
old president of Atlanta. We're seceding from Georgia. We are
in the state of Atlanta. Um so, so if he
(29:27):
was an old mayor, I don't know, like maybe before
kesh Land's bottoms, current mayor, hella corrupt, mad, federal corrept
I know who you're talking about. I know you're talking
about whole administration, super all of corrupt, like mad, sketchy, greasy,
grimy and shit real bad. And so everybody voted for
(29:50):
Felicia Moore to keep him from winning because he is
the black Trump. And then they were like, oh, actually
I like this bitch. Actually no, I'm saying it like
na now that Christine Read isn't in there anymore, and
you got worried about his greasy as actually this other
cat nigd whearing like blazers and situation, They're like, oh,
(30:16):
we'll go for him anyway. So the mayoral race differed
a lot from the city council races, and that everywhere else,
you know, except for mayor, all the super pro cop
candidates got bounced damn bounced. So yeah, do you have
any theories for why, I like, the the crime awareness
(30:39):
message didn't land Ard. I mean, I don't even want
to say that, because the progressive one that it didn't land,
but is there is there like what became of that
message or that? Yeah, So I will answer that question
with the question because I regularly say conflicting things about this.
I think too, on one hand, that people are more
(31:00):
motivated by love than fear, Like if you're not putting
forward a positive, constructive vision of a city that you
want and you're just fearmongering and talking how shitty everything is,
like people are, people are just kind of like grossed
out and turned off by that. I also disagree with that,
and that, you know, when we talk about the mid
terms in a second, the angry or people are the
(31:21):
ones that are more motivated to get out and win.
So I don't know, I'm gonna put that back to
you to ask. I don't know which one you think
is more like legit, But I think this actually speaks
to what I said the beginning is like who mobilizes
versus who just coasts on their name recognition in their incumbency, Like,
but I'm in this bitch, I'm good. What's up? Y'all
know me. I've been in this bitch for twenty years. Yeah,
(31:43):
you ain't going nowhere Versus the people who are like
humble and like I'm gonna put in the footwork to
get in there, you know, footwork winds. It's probably more true.
But what do you think about the earlier thing? Do
you think people are more motivated electorally by fear or love?
Like I want to say love, because yeah, I want
(32:08):
to say hope and change and love and all that
stuff because it feels like the right thing to say.
But I think Obama, you know, yeah, But I mean,
we got Obama. There was fear involved in Obama. You
know what I'm saying. Again, I had to pull out
my old man pants and ship like that. But I
have a few years on you, and you know what
I'm saying, And like, I mean, there was there. There
(32:32):
was like a fear because we had just went through
the eight years of Bush and fucking McCain was bringing
on Sarah pale Um, you know what I mean. And
it's like she was Trump before Trump was Trump. You
know what I'm saying. People were people were seeing that
(32:55):
and they were hearing the things that she was saying.
And then because she was on the ticket and start
making John McCain, who obviously John Mcan's Republican is terrible
whatever whatever, but he started saying stupid insane ship like
as a result of having Sarah Palin on the ticket.
Like I remember one thing that that stuck out really
close is just because like I had friends who were
(33:16):
fighting in the war and all that stuff that I remember.
He was John McCain was at a rally or something
like that after Sarah Palin had been brought on, and
he was like singing to the crowd. There were there
was he was making some point the crowd and he
was like doing the Beach Boys song and he was
like bom Bom Bom bom Bom I ran and they
(33:37):
were like all laughing about it and ship and I
remember being like what I was like maybe like like
twenty one or something like that. At the time, It's like, Yo,
these fucking Republicans are trying to make us go to
war forever, you know what I'm saying. Like, so that fear,
that palpable fear, was like, hey, hope and change, let's
do it. Yes we can, Yes we can, you know
(34:00):
what I mean? And so I think I think fear
and even even when you don't think it's fear, there
is a level of like, yo, I don't want I
don't want them to win. Now that obviously, I would
imagine that changes from person to person. There's obviously like
a contingent of people who that doesn't motivate them at all,
(34:22):
because really it is like some lizard brain thinking, you
know what I'm saying, be scared vote for this person.
There is there is that element to it and ship
like that. So you know, definitely kudos to those who
can rise above it. But you know, I gotta admit
my lizard brain still does come into play when it
comes to election seasons and ship like that. So it's like,
even when I don't feel motivated or if I'm not
(34:45):
excited about something, it's it's usually a good motivating factor
to me personally to think about Damn well, I definitely
don't want those. Yeah, And I'm starting to assess my
own like political leanings and like what for example, dream
me to Bernie Sanders, and Bernie Sanders had like the
United against common enemy the billionaires like, and so it
(35:08):
really was also like not like not a fear, but
like hatred but yeah, the billionaires. Yeah that's right, Uncle Bernie. Like,
so I mean maybe that is more true than like,
oh I like your constructive vision for the society. How
many how many progressives were like, legit scared of Hillary Clinton?
(35:29):
You know, no, but I mean I don't mean it scared.
I don't mean scared is in the literal like, yo,
does she like scare you? But I just mean, like
when Bernie, like part of Bernie's rise to prominence is
opposition to Hillary Clinton and the establishment that she represented,
you know, and fighting the establishment and do that and
(35:50):
we wanted in that fight came from like, yo, I
don't know what these motherfucker's are gonna do. Like you
you literally you had you had a bunch of had
a bunch to people on the left really like truly
fucking who whose brains turned to mash potatoes for like
a good two years When we're thinking and so, gee,
(36:11):
I really think Donald Trump is anti war and Hillary
clin is gonna go to war, you know what I'm saying,
And like they really like just because of their fear
of what they thought Hillary would do, they were like
willing to like give Donald Trump the benefit of the
doubt uncertain ship. So fear is definitely a motivating factor.
M one side is better at playing on it. But
(36:31):
that's that more so goes because the people who follow
that are just more prone to following their fears and
being guided by their fears and their fear of the
unknown and fears and what they don't know, what they
don't understand. But you know, I think I think us
on our on our our side definitely were susceptible to it,
for sure. I mean, and in this case, I mean, yeah,
(36:52):
I say, I would say, like it's fear, and then
it's really hard as an incumbent generally to like defend
your ship when like where the world stays bad, I
would argue because of capitalism. So like if you're progressive
or you're conservative or whatever, if you're a fucking flying monkey,
and like after four years, like shi, it's not better,
(37:14):
Ain't nobody don't care? They don't kick your asks the
curb because it's not better because it's but so hard
to I mean, like, like I advocate people to get
involved at the local level, but actually I mean, frankly,
there's only so much we could do. But I mean,
so in this case, like Cleto Winslow, who got beaten
by Jason Doger had been in office twenty eight years
and if like he didn't really have to even like
(37:36):
put it forward like a constructive positive message or in
stoked beer. All he had to do was go say,
I don't think how the poward things going. Do you
like what's happening? Do you like do you think the
city is better? And if you don't, it's like I
like that. Nickels like, yeah, I'm not a very nice
young man, um and so yeah, I mean, uh, it's
(38:01):
just really interesting that all these cats were sucking pro
Cop like Jackie's a bot was the sheriff's wife, the
wife of the sheriff of Fulton County who has been
fighting to like keep the Fultone County Jail open, even
after they secured an agreement to like close the Phone
County Jail. She was running for city council low key
(38:21):
to like to protect her husband's job security of sheriff,
you know, and she got her ass kicked. Uh Cleyo
Winslow super pro Cop got her as kick. They had
an episode on Cops City a couple of my guests
a month or two ago. But like the lady who
Chant who like the author of Cops City and was
pushing for that ship boom gone, fuck you Joyce Shephard
(38:43):
out of here. So it's interesting that like a mixture
of these things, the footwork, the fact that she's not
really better, and so like the incumbents just don't stand
a chance, Like here we are more progressive city council
and let it. Oh no, my cat's gonna eat my pizza.
No go save it. We had a roach killings, We
(39:07):
got cats eating pizza. What other show are you gonna hear?
Roach killings and cats eating pizza? It's waiting on reparation.
It had anchovies on it. But like, I don't even
blame the A little dude. All right, let me see
(39:28):
if I could get some of your like analysis on
the situation. Is this something that is particular to perhaps
the demographics of where some of these candidates were running,
or is it something particular to the time that we're
in or the state that Georgia is in politically? Like,
(39:51):
is this something? Is this something that that democrats? Is
this something that you feel that that democrats buy at large,
whether they be neo liberal or whatever, can pay attention
to and kind of learn some strategies from things that
were done in these Georgia elections to not feel the
need to be in the center or absolutely absolutely, people
(40:13):
would be like, oh, you know, the South Georgia is
gonna go down just like Virginia. Well, motherfucker, I doubt
that Virginia has a percent voter registration rate. Georgians are
now registered to vote, largely thanks to Staty Abrahams New
Georgia Project fair fight well with the other one, Yes, well,
(40:34):
New Georgia Project, New Georgia mostly um. And so it's
like putting in the footwork. They actually talk to people.
So then you think that's the key, Then that's that's yeah,
that's what Georgia more, you know, unique among like newly
blue states is that you know, we put in the
footwork to register voters, to engage voters, to you know,
(40:56):
to actually just go talk to people. Like I said,
whoever shows up wins, and Democrats been showing up two
or you know, like low key democratic but nonpartistan organization
has been showing up to like get people involved. And
so that's the formula. I mean, granted, it's easy to do,
like when in the runoffs last year, you know, or
fu earlier this year Jesus Christ for the Senate, like
(41:20):
you had niggas, it was like a billion dollars put
into the state set pay people don't knock on doors.
They had postcards from Arizona, Milwaukee, New Hampshire, Nigga's right,
and like, hey, don't forget to and then put in
your absentee you know all the ship it doesn't. I mean,
that's a pretty unique fiscal situation, you know what I'm saying, Like,
(41:41):
and not everybody got the got the bag like that,
but um, we do we put in the forwork. I
think that's it. I think that's you know what's happening
in the state of Georgia. The playbook that's brought us
to this moment both in Atlanta and like I think,
like like Challengers beat and come across the state, Warner
(42:02):
Robbins got their first black female mayor and ship like
all over the state, this has been true. So what
are your thoughts on Stacy's announcement? Bro, I think we
have to do a whole nother fucking episode on this
because we've been rambling about landing for old you know,
so me and we may have come back to this,
but I will say that, um coming, but we all
(42:25):
knew it's gonna happen. We knew it. We knew it
was gonna be for something. I'm not gonna lie. I
have my post my yard signed up on my wall.
Fucking took that ship down, put it up in the yard.
The same night. I was like, let's go. It's very
clear that you know, she announced because the energy was
high among Democrats across the state because we're running things,
(42:46):
winning things. So she was like, all right, let's go,
let's fucking rock y'all, y'all, y'all think, y'all hype. Now,
let's get hype baby. So, like you know, so here
we are, she's running for governor. If she pulls it off.
How old is Stacey Abrams? Do you know old enough? Huh?
I mean well, I just I mean because I'm thinking
(43:10):
of the future, because I mean, yeah, if Stacy Abrams
was able to pull that ship off, like after like
on top of everything that she's already done, she's able
to win, you become the next governor of Georgia. I
think she will be president one day. Oh yeah, she's
(43:30):
been said she want to president. Yeah. I just I
just think that's gonna solidify, Like I think that will
just make it inevitable. I think so, I think, yeah, um,
so so quick like point of order for us, not
for on the recording. We have been recording for maybe
like fifteen minutes we have Okay, I think we think
we started at like eleven. So that's why I said, like, oh,
(43:53):
we might have to do another episode on this because
we that's already talked about a ton of ship. Let's
transition into the break and then let's come back and
let's listen to one song for music discussion off all right,
So um so yeah, like like quick thoughts, you know,
we're gonna have to do another episode of Stacy Abrams alone.
(44:15):
But just generally speaking, you know, with this happening and
it's so fresh in our minds, what do you think?
Do you think this means anything affects anything with the
mid terms or not? Because the poll recently came came
out that shows Democrats pretty much getting trouped in just
(44:36):
about every category, whether you want to talk about these
bullshit cultural issues or even down to like the economics
and stuff like that, but they're getting hammered. So so
I mean, I think that drawing off of what what
I've been talking about earlier about footwork, the question is
whether or not progressive footwork can out it overcome, overcome,
(45:02):
like the disatisfaction among the electorate that like, other than
the child tax credit, which my ass is gonna be
getting in January with South or in about some month,
I'm buying some shoes some Jordan's not just getting them
buying baby formula. But um, you know, that's the only
thing that people are gonna feel between now and She's
like build back better agenda, roads and bridges and ship
(45:25):
and they know that that you're coming until pretty much
so people who haven't seen the you know, reaped what
has been sown by Biden and his in his ilk.
So people aren't happy, people aren't gonna turn out. And
also the issue of just like the people who are
more piste off generate more mobilization and then they win.
(45:47):
It just swings back and forth there in the mid terms,
the party and power get their asses whooped, and it's
just how it goes. I honestly, I'm just anticipating that
that's just probably what's gonna happen. His historically has happened.
One thing that might help in the Democrats favor. I mean,
you know, like you said, this is we're talking about
patterns that are political patterns that are set by historical
(46:09):
precedent going back like sixty years. So there's a there's
an amount of it that's inevitable and ship Okay, I'm
so sorry, I'm so sorry. I gotta do this, but
I just found out that the local sheriff's department near
half of Georgia just posted an opening for their communications director,
which to me says I got him shook. Yeah, somebody left.
(46:34):
When they left, I don't know what happened. Maybe they
got tired of dealing with us, or maybe they didn't
have one and now they feel that they do. We
feel like they got to like, yeah, he's winning the
public narrative, she's winning the battle of hearts and mines.
Like what we don't do? We can't just kill her, gemmy.
So I'm sorry. We gotta come back to talking about
(46:54):
the mid terms, all right. So there's an amount of
that that is inevitable. It's gonna happen because of those
are the patterns and stuff. But we can't overlook the
fact that you know, in a day, two days, three days,
maybe a week, like the Supreme Court very much could
(47:15):
overturn Roe v. Wade. And if they do that, in
these challenges start coming in, those ships are not going
to start coming in until around mid terms. Okay, So
if the backdrop of the mid terms is like the act,
the actual like court struggle about like Roe v. Wade,
(47:36):
that could be part of that fear that motivated fear
factor that we were talking about. On the degree I
mean to that, I will say, maybe not game changing,
but it could be game changing. Um could also be
that low income and like brack and black and brown
women have barely been able to get abortions anyway, That's
how I would frame it, because it's like, because that's
what it is, because like I can't take a day
(47:58):
off work to drive to al to pay five dollars
to like not have to have a baby, Like I
I can't get childcare for my other three kids to
go down here and do this. I don't have a car.
I can't make it there. So like abortion is already
illegal for like tons of people in a certain sense,
like abortion is inaccessible to tons of people. So I
don't think they're going to be motivated to come out
and vote by that. Frankly, so unfortunately, unfortunately, yeah, yeah, question,
(48:23):
I'm the question again. I'm saying and like, can the
footwork overcome people's satisfaction with the Democratic Party right now?
So a lot of people, um, you know, Latasha Brown,
CEO of Black Voters Matter, UM, others have talked about
feeling like they got thrown over under the bus by
the Biden administration because they refused to boss the filibuster
(48:45):
and pass voting rights legislation. Uh. And they're they're counting
on us to do the footwork to overcome um voter suppression.
Brandon additional fact of interest is that the turner the
Allanta elections that we were just talking about was up
even though they had just passed that vote. Is sup
(49:06):
pressure ship We talked about an episode a couple of
back months a month back, so, UM, who knows is
I can't believe I'm saying this is the voter suppression?
Really that well? I mean, or was it something to
scare people into coming out to vote for by Like
(49:27):
I really freaked out about it. I think I think
that I think that that sort of you, while valid,
I think that downplays the work that Stacey A rooms
that No, not at all, Like I think it's just
like something It's just this has been a project that
she's been working on for like four or five years,
(49:51):
you know what I mean. So perhaps she's built it
up to where it's kind of as far as Georgia's concerned.
Maybe that grassroots effort in the footwork that you put
in makes it kind of voter suppression proof. Oh yeah,
So that little just an indicator of how this could
go in the mid terms, and that if the footwork
is enough to overcome voter depression. Indeed, then perhaps is
(50:13):
the footwork enough to bring it turn out in the
mid terms and ship y'all think it's better just let
these Republicans win, y'all. If y'all, if y'all overcome their
voter suppression, they're about to bring slavery backs like it
didn't work, bring out the chains. We can't let these
thinkus vote. Thank you, get out your guns and swarm
(50:34):
the capitals, all the capitals. We tried to make the
lines eight hours long and they still came out and voted. Goddamnit.
Jim Crows coming back. Yeah all right, Um, that's what
we got for today. Uh, next week we are so yeah, yeah,
we got we're gonna have when we come back from
(50:55):
the break. We're gonna have a music discussion. But just
before we get back getting that. When we come back
next week, we are going to be doing our episode
on Dick Gregory. Going to be kind of a deep
dive into the life of Dick Gregory life and times,
talk about his activism, his career, his meaning is impact
American culture and just black culture in general. Um and yeah,
(51:15):
well we're gonna be back since we're talking about Georgia elections,
we are going to talk about a Georgia song when
we come back, So we'll be back with that after
the job. All right, ladies and gentlemen, you gotta say
they're gonna cough, let it out. I'd get it out
(51:41):
your shirt. You what are you doing? You gotta giving
me strong Jim Carrey vibes right now, like the faces
and like the sounds. Anyway, welcome back to waiting on reparations.
I'm waiting. I'm seeing the doctor because I'm coughing a
great deal. All right. So you know, like I said
before we got a break, we're talking about the Georgia elections.
(52:02):
So I wanted to talk about a Georgia song from
back in the day. I posted up that link. You
see that This is uh, it's the last link on
the So this is a tract by Ludicrous featuring Field
Mob and Jamie Fox. It is called Georgia. Y'all remember
(52:26):
this ship. This is like two thousand six. You know
what I'm saying, Like some of y'all's closes closes way
too baggy. You remember what you know what? It was,
rest my Georgia. Bold com anywhere on my land and
I'll aim at Georgia. Remember this, And it's got the
sample right, yeah, the the Ray Charles sample. Uh yeah,
(52:47):
Ray Charles sample. But because it was back just back
when Jamie Fox played uh Ray Charles and the Ray movie.
So like of course they had to. They had the
they had the Ray Charles sample. They got Jamie Fox
to actually say get instead of sampling Ray far y'all
can't see it going. Uh so yeah, ludle Cris Georgia.
(53:08):
You know, Ludacris is one of the artists that I
always felt like repped super hard for Georgia and just
the city of Atlanta in general. You I don't know
if you remember. He had another one back in two
thousand two called Welcome to Atlanta, had Jermaine Dupris on it.
And Nelly. If you go up to the Atlanta Airport,
(53:29):
they got a big gass like glowing banner, like electronic banner.
When you're coming up the escalator has got ludicrous face
on it. It's like welcome to Atlanta. Yeah yeah, de ass.
So what do you think about What do you think
about that? I think it's beautiful. I think I love
the particularities. I love that they're like, yo, I'm out
down at all the name, I'm wrapping for the Yellow
(53:49):
Jackets and George the tech good Current turned up greens
and color greens and you know, go dogs like it's cute.
It's cute. I like the cultural you know, like signs.
I mean, you ever disrespect will clean out your dirty
mouth something the dirty South, like yeah, all that ship
is dope, man, I mean I I like it. You know.
(54:10):
Hip hop I think is always at its best when
it's got that personal vibe to it. And there's nothing
more personal when when you're rapping than either talking about
your family or the city that you're from. You know
what I'm saying. It's like, it's like it usually if
you're dealing with good m c s, there's always gonna
be like a sort of personal touch that somebody's gonna
(54:32):
be able to put on that hometown song, you know
what I mean, to make it unique to them. So
I feel like this track, everybody kind of went in
on it with their style, but you know, like the
subject matter all everyone having the same topic of what
they were talking about and it being something that's so
personal to everyone, you know, like as far as where
(54:53):
they're from. Man, this, I mean, this ship still bumps.
Today's out there when North Carolina about Peter Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly,
great anthems for a state, Yeah, no one or like
even um, do you want to get something a little
bit more poppy, like New York State of Mind or
Empire state of Mind with a jay Z and very
(55:16):
different New York, Yeah, very different, but one is like
the grimy realness. The other ones like paid for by
the New York Tourism bureauth. I forget if it was
you or if it was me, but one of us
made the point that it was like, oh, like Empire
state of Mind is kind of like that's the song
that you use in like the official City of New York,
(55:37):
like commercial or ad or something like that. We're getting
blown by, like Elmo in the Little Elmo costume outside
of the eminem Store. I don't mean this in a
negative way, but I feel like that the Georgia song,
the Ludicrous Georgia song that we just listened to, is
that same sort of way. Like it feels like if
you had like cool people on city council or meat
(56:00):
or a cool beard, that'd be like, yeah, let's use
that for the Welcome to Georgia commercial. Let's use that song.
I like that. Alright, ladies and gentlemen, that is all
we got. We have to go, but we are going
to be back next week. Obviously we've got a dope
one for you, So thank you. Guys, Like subscribe, leave
(56:21):
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name is Dope Knife. I'm still extremely tired, but we're
(56:42):
gonna try to wrap for you or at least muster
up a bar or two a Joel drop a beaut
for us. So u yo yo. I know they're distressing
lord with a blessing to go to keep winning like
(57:04):
Georgia Progressive. Motherfucker's checking. They ain't know with my methist.
Now I gotta hit him because I'm cold and I'm reckless.
First of my checklist. Give them scary slander working with
the knife that'll get you Jerrymanda and I'm very mad
and hate on me. Make a weak rap a crowd
like the AOC one a piece of your pie. So
I ate all three to a bleach in your eye.
You okay, hold me, don't okay. Look, I'm quite excited
(57:24):
by this lady name Stancy. The lately have a quad
taste for hayter rate frankly a thin campaign in the
stankless of canvas and phone Bank did not appreciate some
policies of partial compensation. For example, Hope to Loba turned
the right to workers up. Boston is a quite the
dirt and union. Nay, how we fight the crooks. Secondly,
and especially if they won't for schedule, lead federally and limpy,
they want to lead a lot and put the taxi
back in the hands of the captain, backup and telling
us like a candim is back from the planet, abandoned
(57:46):
a couple other things that I am. I can't remember,
but I think you understand. Hey, I'm Dorpe Knife and
we are waiting on reparations. See you next week. Peace.
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