March 10, 2022 • 48 mins
"This week, the hosts visit the Breonna Taylor case, just shy of two years after her death and a week after Brett Hankison, one of the officers involved, was acquitted of his remaining charges. They also discuss increased police militarization, no-knock raids, and overcoming "revolution fatigue" that has caused such stories to fade from public view since the Uprising."
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
You are listening to Wedding on Reparations, the productions of
My Heart Radio. Welcome to the show reperro fas just podcast.
It's the podcast my Hoie, the podcast pot what's happening
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to My name is Dove, Knife, R and B singers, croners.
We're not, but we are wating our reparations certainly, And um,
how are you doing? Happy? You know what? Happy? Happy today?
I know you guys are gonna be here in this
like four days later, three days later or something like that.
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But Happy International Women's Day to you, Mariah. Thanks yeah, which,
uh I guess, little Joan fact. International Women's Day started
off as International Working Women to Day, as a socialist
holiday to celebrate the international female proletariat. So shout out
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to my my working class ladies everywhere showed out to
the pros, the hose and the pros like, what's up?
We see you, we see you? So yeah, I don't know,
uh lesser known. It's funny to see it get co
opted by uh like corporations and ship I don't know
(01:30):
if you saw, like on Twitter today there's this bot
that every time a corporation or like a company tweets
about international Women's Day, it will retweet it with the
pay gap between men and women at that company, and
likening is left and right have been like deleting their posts,
like I guess you're not going to celebrate women today
(01:51):
because we got called out? That a good thing? Though,
isn't that like a good contribution though, Like isn't it
isn't that good information to know? Or no? Oh no,
it's great, fabulous, Yeah, it's fantastic. I really appreciate that
someone took the time out to write that code. But uh,
I mean I haven't been able to avoid like the
ads and the commercial breaks, Like every YouTube ad is
like theme like that I when I'm watching ship But
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I mean it's it's always funny because it's like dudes.
Whenever I hear like dudes like giving their shout out
to International Women's daying, it's like heads always give example
examples of women that they know personally, which I guess
is unavoidable. But I mean it's like it's definitely supposed
to be like a broader celebration. Like for me, it's like, yeah,
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you don't want to give a shout out to my
mom and you've annoyed the ship out of her for
your first eighteen, if not forty years of life. So
um next um oh yeah, I also shout out to
my godmother May Jamison. You know, yeah, we need to
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do an episode on her this month. Oh we should?
You know we do? Yeah, those Women's History months all
month long. Yeah, I don't think, you know, it should
be Women's History Month everybody, the same way it should
be Black History Month every month. But you know, I
guess if things, if the conditions of society were such
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that these things wouldn't have to be highlighted as months
for the first place, it would just be the way
things are and everything, you know, everyone would consider always
have this appreciation. Here's the thought, what if everything were
about black women all of the time, so it's both
of the things together and all of the time and
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only that thoughts. I'm with it. I'm with it. I
think we're halfway on the way there, because I just
came back from the theater from seeing a movie that
had a real dope black woman in it. You know
what I'm saying. Ze Kravitz was whipping his asses a
catwoman in that new Batman. Joy. It was fire. He's
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check it out. Remember when you remember when we're talking
about the matrix a couple of weeks ago or a
month ago or so, like it's the complete opposite of
the major So like, what do you mean good? Yeah,
like good you know what I'm saying with like good
acting and that's still the opposite of bad. Like I'm
just checking in a point of view. You know, it
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was not it was dope, though I recommend we I'll
gush over it. It's some other day. But women's Women's
International Women's Day. What are we talking about? So this week,
you know, it's Women's History Month, It's Women's International Women's
Day today. So this week we're paying tribute to a
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woman we lost almost two years ago to the day,
Brianna Taylor um Last week her one of the officers
involved in her death, Brett Hankinson, was found was acquitted
of charges of wanted endangerment for shooting into her neighbor's apartment.
It's not even four her murder, so his only consequences
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he got fired, only consequences that they got fired. So yeah,
we're gonna be talking a little bit about all of that,
revisiting the case, also talking a little bit about the
ratio of racial violence acains black women in terms of
just like Black Lives Matter movement, and then no Knock raids,
which are still a thing now and ever worsening crisis
in some ways. If you look over the last couple
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of decades and just kind of talk about like black
people's rights to defend ourselves or lack their own, you
know what, that just made me think of you saying that.
So George Floyd died, Ranna Taylor died, and Marda Arebury died.
Motherfucker is marsh for that whole summer, right, And two
years later people are still getting shot from No Knock awards.
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We didn't we weren't even able to change that, Whereas
like the fucking January six, motherfucker's did their right it
they're legitimate, like assault on the state. And a year later,
like thirty states have implemented all these ridiculous Republican laws
in anti voting legislation, and you're like that, see how
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that ship works. It's just and that's one topic I
want to get to later on in the show is
like revolution fatigue of like a prettyular on the left
of like there's a catalytic moment and everyone takes to
the streets and then like nothing happens and everyone stops.
I'm like, I think it's going to require a little
more persistence than that, people, and so like what do
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we do about that question? But yeah, we're gonna get
into all of that today, but first we'll take a
little break and we'll be back after the jump. All right,
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ladies and gentlemen, party people in the place to be
are listening to waiting our reparations. We are back. So, Mariah,
this case I didn't why is it? Do you think
that this didn't make the news like that? Do you
think it's because there's so much going on? Because truth
be told, I didn't know about this until we were
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getting ready to uh do this episode, and I guess
I kind of fell into that malaise that everybody else
fell into where it's like, okay, Derek Chopin went to jail.
I guess everything's gonna work itself out in this case
kind of went out of sight, out of mind. So no, absolutely,
I feel like this has been This has garnered surprisingly
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mute response. Little little I haven't seen it anywhere, I mean,
like topic, I haven't seen a hashtag, nothing, Nope, nope,
And like any other day, you know, people hashtag say
her name all that stuff, And yeah, I think that
does come down to what I talked about at the
top about like quote unquote like revolution fatigue. That's not
a good term for listeners. If you have a good
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better term for that, holla me d MS on Instagram
or something revolutions though, I mean it's not it's not
the most flattering I guess phrase coming depending on your
point of view, but it sounds accurate. People a part
of this don't even aren't even about revolution. I don't
even think of what that either, because that sounds like
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messy and auchi. But you know, it's all some people
out here like just want the ba the bare minimum,
like no knockerdes to not happen anymore period, you know,
and like we haven't even gotten that, but like it's
just it's so exhausting. I mean, and during at the time,
like white folks were getting made at the time, like
you know, upright to white folks were getting made fun
of for like talking about like ally ship fatigue, like oh,
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I'm so tired of being an ally. I'm so exhausted
from being in the streets because it is traumatic, like
putting your body on the line against the cops, Like
what do I Am I gonna die today? I'm gonna
lose an eye to day? Am I gonna like cry today?
Am I gonna eat some fries that? You know what?
Like not knowing what's gonna happen, And so it's exhausting.
It is austing, but contributing factor might be just some
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of the ways in which we consume media now where
it's like everybody has a short attention span, and yeah,
the twenty four hour news cycle doesn't help because there's
always a new calamity, like literally every single day, UM,
there are increasing numbers of people who have utterly lost
faith in UM the criminal legal system like that. That's
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you know, it's become a very mainstream understanding that justice
does not come through like the punishment bureaucracy, like after
a mod the mod are very verdict. You saw so
many like you know, Senator Warnock and like all these
like progressive organizations and politicians talking about how true justice
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could not be gained through a verdict because true justice
would be a mod are very still being with us today.
And the fact that people are willing to acknowledge that
now very mainstream figures people a lot of power. Just
shows how much the Overton window has shifted on this you,
but it also explains why like kind of nobody, like
very few people have given a funk about this because
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it's like, well, of course not like impunity remains the
status quo for police officers, like the overwhelming majority of cases,
it took nationwide rioting in order for us to even
get um Derek Chauvin arrested, like protesting, but also like
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I nation my protesting. But but I've been talking about
this lately. I think that non violence only works because
the implication of violence. So like non violence marching and
all that, ship only works because they're scared that you
will burn ship to the ground. They're like, oh my god,
this mob. What if we don't appease them? And they like,
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you know, a store in the capital, right, and so yes,
peaceful protests, but also I imagine the the you know,
burn ing up the third Precincts in Minneapolis, didn't you know.
I'm sure that contributed somewhat to them being like, oh ship,
we better fucking do something. Are weird. Definitely did definitely
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did not at all advocating for those tactics, but I'm
sure it weighed heavily on their minds and they were like,
do we actually hold the people accountable? What? Really don't? Right?
I really don't. Do you remember me enough that night
when that move when the precincting Minneapolis were burned down,
like I felt like, I was like, wow, this is
a new day's here. I don't didn't want to wake
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up to this day. But here we are coffee and
get on the bus. Well, we might be dropping the
lead a bit. So just to get everybody caught up
to speed, so exactly tell tell them what the situation
is with Rihanna Taylor's case. Okay, So I mean just
to review the facts. March Um, Jonathan Maddenly, Burt Haikison,
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and Miles Cosgrove, three agents of the Louisville Metro Police Department,
forced entry into Brian Taylor's department and as part of
an investigation for drug dealing, and they thought her boyfriend
Um was the drug dealer. Her boyfriend thought the officers
were breaking in trying to you know, rob them or something,
and fired a warning shot at them. Um. The officers
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fired through two shots in return, killing Taylor but on
but um Walker was uninjured, her boyfriend Tyler Walker, and
so UM in the aftermath, Walker was charged with I
think it was attempted murder, later dropped you know charges.
But um, the Brent Hakison was brought up on UM
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was indicted for wanted endangerment. So the a G the
Attorney General of Kentucky, did not give the jury the
option to um try him for any kind anything connected
with was already predetermined that that wasn't a crime, that's
not something make an indict him on. So they gave
the jury the option and the grand jury to bring
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him up on charges of one daydreamant for endangering her
neighbors by firing randomly. Right. So um, that's where we
were at. UM up until about last week. We had
a bunch of you know rappers from Kanye Little Baby
donated and supported Brianna's family's legal team. She showed up
in a variety of songs, including Tiana Taylor's self directed
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UM music video last year where she dressed up like
Brianna Taylor in her A M T uniform. It was
kind of like cringe, but like a thing that happened.
But um, but yeah, so UM, here we are Brett
Hakison was fired. UM. The city of Louisville did agree
to pay Taylor's family twelve million dollars and reform police practices.
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But UM, Ultimately Hankinson was acquitted of all of all charge.
It's never charged with her death. Actually, UM, Miles Cosgrove
was often with her. Ballistics determined that he was the
actually the person that killed Brianna, but he was never
charged with anything. Brend Hagison acquitted of one endangerment. Only
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only consequences he faced was being fired. And it's my
understanding the other two. Sure, let me look this up
a quick. I think the ELECTI still work for police department.
Do you know, UM, when this verdict was reached or
when the when it was dropped or whatever? Um, the
first things first, let me see if this guy still
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works for UM. He was acquitted UM four days ago. Okay,
so four days ago didn't even make a blip. I
didn't hear anything about that whatsoever. Um. Yeah, So I
mean this like all fits like a trend, like a
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going trend of like during these you know, with all
of with the fervor that gets you know, the comes
up when these sort of incidents happen. It definitely seems
like there's an imbalance of the attention against when it
happens to a black woman as opposed to when it
happens to a black man. Now, I mean, it definitely
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doesn't sound circumstantial because like the cases in the black
women are just as tragic and just as chaotic, more
newsworthy or whatever sensational, whatever you want to apply to it.
That makes these things like big stories and people like
in the public lexicon and ship. So, I mean, what's
going on here? I mean, I do think it ultimately
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is a matter of like of the media. I don't
think it's a case of like these communities themselves not
raising this issue and raising Hell, it's whether or not
it turns into a movement regionally or nationally, by whether
or not it's getting picked up by CNN and to
what degree the protests on the ground are getting covered. Um. So, like,
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I just can't explain it any other way because particularly
with the way that they like contemporary incarnation of the
Black Lives Matter movement are really the whole time it's
been led by black women who have insisted that all
Black lives matter, centering trans folks and centering queer folks
and women and all like all of us. Um. But
really it's just I think I just think it comes
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down to the media, what they report on, what stories
they think are important, um, and the way that then
allows these stories to catch fire in the public imagination
and inspire wider um um awareness and action. Because I think,
for example, okay, so think about a mod are very
So people out in Brunswick were like raising, how about
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a mod are very way before that video came out.
They knew something was fucky about the whole situation, but
it wasn't until the video came out and that got
picked up by the national media and national pundits and
activists that that whole ship popped off because it got
into the national media um. And so I think that's
the case of a lot of these black women were
like around. I mean, the video is key. Unfortunately, like
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people have to see it with their own eyes to
actually be upset about it. Um. Increasingly so now that
we are paying closer attention and also not because we're
all exhausted from how much attention be paid to it
in the last two years. But yeah, I mean, ultimately,
I don't know how it's explained it. I mean, yeah,
that's I think that's exactly what it is. It's like
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it it's fucked up because like the video really is
the key. It's like, especially now, you know, people have
to have that visual stimulat. I mean, you know this,
you make music, it's like you know, it's it's kind
of not even worth putting out us all unless you
have something visual for people to look at. Now, So
maybe there's something like that because our brains are geared
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towards seeing that that when we see the MODBA you know,
like you said, the mode auberating situation happened way before
anybody saw that tape, But seeing that tape is what
kind of spurned that and made that thing that went
into you know, the public consciousness and stuff. Same thing
with George Floyd, whereas we didn't have a tape or
Brianna Taylor and what would even be saying Brianna Taylor's
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name today if George Ford hadn't been killed two months later,
Like you know, we we heard about that ship, like
you know, her her death came days before the pandemic
really hit the United States, and folks were like, oh,
that's sucked up and sad, But then I didn't do
anything until we watched George Floyd die. I mean you
know where I was there, you know, like I was
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saying even back then, like I even wonder if any
of that ship would have happened if we weren't in
the pandemic, Like I'm mad, I'm not even sure about
that that I wanted to a degree as well, the
pandemic has influenced that sense of revolution fatigue, where like
people were also experienced pandemic fatigue, and like you know,
at the time, we're like folks then felt like there
was no other option to hit the streets. Now there's like, well,
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you know, I'm vaccinated, but I'm not boosted, and like,
you know, doing this dance around what's safe and what's
not in the more like a more thought full place.
Then at the time we were like, don't you know,
give me, give me the coronavirus. I'm out here, I'm
out here in these streets. I don't give a damn um.
So what are some other cases that have Like I mean,
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I know the one that happened in a Columbus, Ohio
with are you pronouncing McKay bryant? Oh? That was actually
she was in a like a fist fight in her
yard and that's how she got So also like whatever
happened with that, never heard about that again thanks to
national media. Appreciate you for that. But um, real quick though,
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I wanted to bring up two other women that we're
killed that like note like people didn't like have never
talked about the same way they have talked about male
counterparts have a similar kind of death. So Ianna Stanley
Jones seven year old, um, you know cost bus in
her house and actually shot her dead, no outcry whatsoever.
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Comparable with like Trayvon Martin that happened a couple of
years later, Like tray Bond was definitely like a like
a critical moment with like Black Lives Matter, I think
of like growing awareness, growing movement action nationwide in the
modern era. That probably kicked it off. I mean what
was that? It was like I would say that like
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after that and then Mike Brown a couple of years
after that, that was kind of the start. Ferguson was
like the real like pop off. But yeah, but yeah,
Trayvon was like the definitely planning the seeds of that
and then going even farther back. I mean, I got
a song on this of a new album that we
played on the tow last week talking about the killing
Natasha Harlan's shop sixteen year old girl, you know, shot
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in the convenience store. The um killer like pretty much
got like a fine and like community service for like
murdering a teenager. Um and so on the ground, people
on the ground in Los Angeles. This was a big deal.
This was fucked up. But it wasn't until the video
of any King getting his aspeat that like the l
A riots popped off. So I mean that that visual
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element though, you know, like a visual element though, I mean,
you're right, You're right. I mean part of it is
seeing it with your own eyes. Um. Yeah, So we're
going through that again again, and we're still going through
ship with no knock warrants to this day. Um so
let's talk a little bit about what those are. I'll
let you take it. Talked a lot. No knocks are
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issued under the belief that any evidence they hope to
find maybe destroyed between the time the police identify themselves
and the time that they secure the area, or in
the event of where a large perceived threat to the
officer's safety during the execution of a war. So in
other words, like you know, if they think somebody's gonna
go flush some drugs down the toilet, or if they
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think that somebody's particularly dangerous at the minute that they
hear police that they'll pull out a gun and start
spraying at the door. Pretty much, it's like a paranoia
or fear that every situation they're going to get in
is going to turn into die hard partly, you know
what I'm saying. So, so that's that's that's kind of
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you know, that's a layman's logic behind the idea of
a or not. So why is it so persistent? Why
do they use no knock so persistently? I mean, I
think it's to do with the militarization of the police
since the nineteen eighties, where it's just like because they can,
they will, because they've been given more tools, the flash
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playing grenades and the and the armor and the drones
and all this ship they're just like, well we have it,
why not you know, and that um yeah, you know, LARPing,
you know, loving the power play or whatever. Um. Also
as a function of like creating dangerous situations for themselves
where there isn't actually a threat to like really to
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like reinforce their own unders like their own beliefs about
how danger us the job is. So for example, like
you know, policing is not even in the top ten
most dangerous jobs in the country, most cops, most you know,
or like coronavirus, These COVID killed more cops than anything else,
than anything else, anything else, And so they're like, Okay,
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we need to create this really tense situation to make
ourselves feel scared, to like justify how scared feel about
this job. Yeah, person, like you know, inventing threats where
there are none. Um So, the use of no knock
worms increased substantially over time. By one estimates, there was
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fift hundred annually in the eighties, whereas by there were
sixty thousand and seventy thousand no knocks or quick knock
rates conducted by local police annually, the majority of which
we're looking for marijuana. So they definitely just fucking just
blow your mind. Yeah, we'd a plant I plan. I
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could walk down the look, I can walk down the
street smoke at a joint full of dried tobacco plant
and that's cool. But if that dried plant is weed,
I can be put into metal shackles, strip searched, deprived
of sunlight, um, deprived of contact with my family, Like
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what the what? What? What? What are we still doing?
Even even if you wanted to, like let's say you
just even if you wanted to give an inch to
the argument and be like, Okay, no, you you might
need this, you know, for the things that you encounter
when you're you know, serving a warrant or whatever. Even
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just thinking about, like from a practical nature, like if
it were to go wrong, the repercussions of that with
it seems like, you know, that should influence several hundred
thousand judges to not give out sixty and seventy thousand
of these damned things in a year, you know what
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I'm saying, Like you burst them the wrong person's ship obviously,
like you drop a flash bang in a baby's crib,
blind them, You go into something, you see somebody on
the couch, they're surprised, you shoot them. Everybody. There's three
hundred million guns floating around the country. Everybody's got one.
And then you're getta like burst into my house. And
in my house that is like you're just gonna burst
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in That's what's crazy, is that, Like, that's how you
that's how you know that the ship is not happening
to people who quote unquote matter because if they had
to live with even the possibility of the threat, if
there was even the possibility of the threat, then a
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swat team could bust into Elon Musk house accidentally and
spray them up or spray ups you know what I'm saying,
Like they wouldn't be doing that ship. Now, you're right though,
You're right though, and like our our right to like
what is our right to defend ourselves. They had an
episode on this recently, but like and one of these,
well it wasn't a super recent case. I think it
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was two thousand six, but two year old lady Katherine
Johnson here in Atlanta assumed her home was being invaded
during a no knock raid and tired a warning shot
over the officer's head. Has anyone ever do if there
as their house is getting busted too? But police fired
thirty nine shots in response, five of which hit this
ninety two year old lady and one of the officers,
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who was Atlanta convicted of planning three bags of marijuana
in her home and then the others. I mean, this
is a rare case. Why you're saying the next one?
I need to find out what the hell happened to
those cops. No, so okay. So one of the officers
was convicted for planning weed in their house, and then
the other officers involved the raid UM were convicted of manslaughter,
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of making fall statements, conspiracy to bylight civil rights um
result saying in someone's death, feel like that they were
actually held accountable for this, but like nothing's gonna bring
you know, their grandma, their mom, their neighbor. They're like,
you know the old church lady that brings the fruit,
bread or whatever like that she's dead and so like
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it's a banana that she was, like that I want
to bring into her house. So she fired a warning
shot and they just like literally unloaded with Like does
that sound like anyone who is trying, like who's number
one priority is like protecting life and protecting the peace
and trying to make sure that nobody gets her? Does
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a bunch of yah who's firing letting off thirty nine rounds?
Is that? You know what I mean? I'm not like
I've never been an operator or a military guy or
anything like that. But that sounds like, hey man, if
if you don't want to like hit somebody who doesn't
deserve to be hit, like would you just go into
somewhere shooting thirty nine times? Or or if you're so
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petrified that like you heard a gunshot, warning shot or no.
And this is all of this what I'm saying is
why I'm not a cop. But it's like, if you
hear a gunshot, warning shot or no, in your immediate
response is to just unload your gun in a direction
until it's empty. That doesn't that doesn't sound like good
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police work. I mean yeah, And that's why I've increasingly
come to refer to police and prison supremacy in this
country that like this, like policing in prisons matter more
than like anything like collateral damage of like killing a
child or in person falsely and you know, um, imprisoning
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someone for decades um for a crime it didn't commit,
Like none of the ship matters. Um. The thing that
matters most is like keeping the system propped up protecting
the people that are killing the people, Like that's the
number one thing. And so like the term supremacy invokes
usually you here in in in relation to like white supremacy,
and they are interlinked. But it's like a way to
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refer to the way to the mattering of these institutions
more so than human life. That someone protecting yourself. Like
if I, for some reason it was a police officer,
I would be like, all right, kill me before I
gotta kill you. What I mean, Like, I'm here to
protect and serve the public. I'm willing to, like actually
willing to lay down my life, Like if someone I
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think it's firing warning shot, like because I'm breaking into
their house and they shoot me, Like that is the
a's part of the duty, Like I wanted to be
that way that situation should rise, but it's literally the job.
That's the thing. Is Like the whole entire idea behind
a police officer being a hero or you like having
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like the like being like a heroic figure in society
is based on the like premise that you're endangering your life,
that you're sacrificing your life and your well being in
your safety for the good of everybody else, Like a
police job is supposed to be I'm gonna risk my
life to protect everybody else, Not I'm gonna risk everybody
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else's life so I can feel safe. I can fuck
do that ship. Yeah you know what I mean, don't
let me do it. Yeah, I'm five six a hundred
thirty five pounds when I have changed in my pocket.
Like yeah, if like, if I get into any sort
of like scuffle or altercation, I'm fighting for my life.
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You'd rather be just I don't know, you know, I
don't want to be clear because I don't want to
like talk about whose lives matter. More like in this instance,
it's it's really that this is an avoidable situation. Like
they were coming after this little while with lady for weed.
Next case we're gonna talk about they're coming after the
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guy for like fifty dollars worth of meth. Much like
got this bad? Really wish people weren't doing that. But
also like these situations don't have to arise at all
if we treated this like the public health crisis that
it is with regards to more serious, more serious substances
than wed because weed is not even a problem at all. Um,
But yeah, it's bananas. It's bananas. We live in a
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police supremacist state. But to move on to another story
from Georgia, another pleasant one. Actually this is oh this
is a lot. But Cornelia, Georgian Um, a police informant,
alleged that he bought fifty bucks worth of meth from
this thirty year old dealer at a residence belonging to
his mother. Um wan is Dona Teva. No, I don't want.
(31:46):
I don't want to kind of want to. Don't want
to say because I'm messing up. I think. I mean
we try, Okay, one is don't Yeah, I don't know.
I just to keep over it. So this man did
not proside at the house. Um, but you know who did?
A family with four young children. So uh Sheriff's deffie
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for Cornelia secure to know not warrant um and uh
you know just apparently woke up the county magistrate at
his house and like making false statements to him to
secure the warrant. But in any case, they executed the
warrant throwing a flash band grenade into a room containing
a nineteen month old child. Um. The grenade exploded in
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the child's playpen, causing severe burns and other life certaining
injuries that ultimately required the child to be placed into
a medical coma, and received more than one million dollars
in surgery. So this became a subject of a lawsuit
against the police department to pay for the medical bills. Um.
You know, the legal case argued that like there's literally
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like a child plastic pool in the yard and packaging
for the play plan playpen, that the infant was sleeping
in next to the door that the police came in,
and like there was literally like evidence everywhere on their
approach that they are a children, but children lived in
this house. Um, Like, what kind of gross negligence could
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you imagine beyond this? I'll tell you what type of
GRESSI negligens is they don't recognize that as being a
human child. Let's just keep it all right. It's depends
on the neighborhood they're in and where the cops who
are doing the ship are front. You know what I'm saying.
If they're walking, if they're in a black neighborhood or whatever,
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and they see a kids pool, that doesn't register to
those dudes who are all geared up in their ship
with their MP five ready to go, Like they're not thinking, oh,
there's there's children running around. That's just what it comes
down to. It's like a lack of like it's like
a lack of empathy fee like you know what I'm saying,
like a lack of recognizing the humanity and others really plainly,
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plainly yeah yeah. And the way that fear points into
that and to sort of say, well, I fear from
my life to just completely erased and minimize any sorts
of situational awareness or concern for other human life that
comes into a situation like this, where like if you're
scared enough, you can say like, oh, well I was,
you know, terrified, and so I didn't see the child's
(34:28):
plastic pool in the yard. And it's like because the
police supremacy is like, oh, that's a that's a that's
a you know, a good enough, yeah, good enough excuse.
You're cool and things are bad, things are bad enough
if you even just say, hey, shit happens, you know
what I mean, Like even even just chalking stuff up
to hey, this is their job. Sh It happens, and
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you know, it sucks that that little girl got burned
or that person had to die or whatever. But like
even doing that is and this is how you know,
conservatives and right wingers are full of shit about it.
But even doing that is like making the like the
mental lead that people generally aren't like really that corrupt
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that heart or at nature, which is like the whole
conservative like mindset. So you're let you're giving police in
general in these institutions all this power and all this
unaccountability and you're not even factoring into it, Like, Yo,
what if what if some of this ship was deliberately done?
You know what I'm saying, Like, I mean, you've had
you've had gangs, gang units busted and cops doing illegal stuff.
(35:43):
You had you had cops arrested for they're selling drugs.
You've had the cops cover up murders and stuff like that.
So like, let police like have this sort of like
to have let them have this power is assuming that
you know, somebody won't use the excuse of a no
not warrant to make a hit on someone, thinking about
(36:06):
like a civil asset forfeiture and their ability to just
like steal stuff from people. Swatting Yeah, yeah, all that
ship um just like yeah calling in swat hits on
people like oh, this person is making a bomb. So
you can like here's a question if somebody, let's say
(36:27):
somebody called let's say somebody swatted someone else, right, and
the cops. You know, the cops did they're no, they're no,
not thing or whatever. In some in the homeowner got
shot and they found out who the person was who
called in that swatting. Would the district attorney try that
(36:47):
person for murder? No, because it enabled them to like
because going in there just like an out of controlled
death squad. Right, Yeah, yeah, I mean there's a way
in which like, yeah, I don't know, I am am
I making some am I saying? Am I saying that
clear enough? But maybe I didn't know, And I don't know.
(37:08):
I don't I don't know like case history about whether
that has ever happened. I don't think it has happened,
But I think I think the day that that happens
is gonna be one hell of the case. Well, I mean,
you know, I don't want to say for certain, but
like it just it feels to me that if a
district attorney can press charges on someone for attempted murder
(37:29):
for them calling the cops on somebody else, like you
kind of you know what I mean, Like you're it's like, yeah,
what else did you expect the cops to do except
go kill that person? It's pretty much homeboy. Yeah. But um, thankfully,
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the county did end up paying this family three point
six million dollars, including UM one point six billion for
pain and suffering, so the child surgeries were covered. But
the search yielded no drugs, no drug drug dealer, no weapons,
and the grand jury in Happerston County UM declined to
(38:11):
indict any of the participants in this raid. UM though
ultimately the federal federal prosecutors did secure an indictment against
one of the deputies, but then she was acquitted by
any wrong for any wrongdoing. Uh So it's like back
and forth like, oh, maybe the fans will do it. Oh,
the fans aren't gonna do it all maybe no, no, no,
(38:33):
no no, And it just comes down to money. They're
just like, oh, here's some money for all your pain
and suffering and a lifetime of trauma. Have a good time.
You know, it doesn't it doesn't ring back what you lost.
You know what might cut down on police brutality if
like someone makes uh strong effort to go after prosecute
(38:57):
prosecutor misconduct and stuff. You know what I'm saying, Like,
if if prosecutors have to start paying like gigantic fines
or they start losing you know, they're there ability to
practice law or ship like that when when like cases
(39:17):
that they tried turns out the person was innocent, you
know what I mean, or that they unfairly went after.
I think you can probably bring a several suit against
someone for like wrongful conviction. I don't know, I need
to not talk about you. I don't know about I know,
I don't know that, but um no, yeah, but like
(39:37):
if you're like paying fine, paid a fine to who
a higher chord that's also super corrupt, Like I don't know,
it's it's turtles all the way down. Man, It's fucked up.
It's not it's m well, um, let's take a little
break and then let's come back with some final thoughts
on this issue, because you know, we we definitely don't
want to keep it all doom and gloom and stuff
(39:58):
like that. So we will take a break and we'll
be right back. All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are back. Dope.
Nice La Franco waiting on reparations. You know what it is?
So Mariah, what are you? What are your parting thoughts
on this? Like? What what can I mean? What can
(40:21):
we do? I don't even want to ask, like, what
can we do to bring awareness to the sort of thing, because,
like you said, it's not about Wayne, which case matters more,
And like a lot of that stuff, you know, you
can't really control it. Some thing's for you know, for
good or bad. Like some things just like catch the
public's attention in public eye comes out the right time,
the right moment and the right context and whatever. So
(40:45):
what are some of the things that people can do
just generally to raise awareness about these cases that slipped
through the cracks in general? Well, I think what this,
all of this tells us that no one remembers Iron
Stanley Jones, that people didn't talk about a mirror lock
twenty year old killed in a no knock raid maybe
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about a month ago in Minneapolis. Minneapolis the police department,
which is like notoriously one of the most corrupt and
violent in the country. Like, raising awareness isn't doing it.
I think that when we come back to this question
of like quote unquote revolution fatigue, where people are just
so tired of hearing about it, sadly is that folks
who were new to this and have been more aware
(41:28):
of it ever since and trying to struggle against it
even if superficially did not have robust resiliency practices in
place to carry them through how long this fight will
require of us? So, um, folks, just we are throwing
themselves out there every single day and giving themselves p
(41:48):
atsd getting you know, getting secondary drama from like watching
all this death on social media and they didn't have
like just living in a capitalist like society. Don't we
lean on consumerism to make us feel better by like, oh,
let me order some uber eats, let me watch the
next episode of euphoria, let me buy a new hoodie
on you know, Instagram shop, which is what I do.
(42:10):
I have a retail therapy problem. Yeah check out Yeah
where in my like for for everyone collective to reabilitate
the carcerat shirt because that was to make me feel
better when I'm tired and sad. But um, so yeah,
we don't know how to just care for each other
like deeply, and um we need to build that kind
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of practice in order to sustain our engagement with with
the truth. You know, people raise awareness and people. For
us to truly continue to engage with it, we have
to be ready to by like being in a deeply
grounded place. I think there's additional value to that in
that some like folks of like an abolitionist strain, they
don't funk with the state at all. They like, the
(42:52):
government ain't never gonna get us free. I kind of
get it. Having worked in the government, I'm like, Wow,
this ship really isn't getting people free. That's weird. Um.
And so it's like it's us, we keep us safe,
that's it. And so thinking about that in terms of
like longevity of the struggle, like, all right, we're gonna
take care of each other to help us get through
this because we've gotta keep fighting. But also if the
(43:12):
state's not gonna give you the substance of you s
treatment or the mental health counseling or the community garden
or whatever you need to promote community stability, you go
out and do that. Shape yourself so bold in terms
of like a like a practice to keep yourself sane,
and also a way to minimize the reach of like
state violence by just being like, you know, we don't
(43:34):
even need to We don't. We don't even need five
of them around here. We like do our own thing.
We're good. Um, It's like a way forward that I think, Um,
it's worth considering because I don't know, I think right
when is it's getting raised, that's just getting retweets or whatever,
and it has the five minute segment on CNN. But
those people don't know how to like be well enough
(43:56):
to keep it, to keep engaging, to keep acting on
it because they're fucking quote quote tired. You know. Well,
one of the things that y'all can do is check
out the National Police Accountability Project and other organizations like that. Um,
you know, see if there's any volunteering things you can do.
Retweet a post, donate, if you can stuff like that.
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There's there's definitely people who are out there doing your work.
And you know, it's just like Mariah just said, it's
just gonna take like a collective consciousness to get these
things done. Ship, throw me some money if you throw
money around Venmo, Yeah about here every day, baby, I
need that over eats. I love consumerism. I need a
couple waiting on reparations. You know, we're always writing yeah
(44:42):
from Atrey month, like, bitch, what what are you doing? Well? Ship?
I mean, right now is what they're doing. I can
hear it. Why why don't we vent it? Hey, why
don't we vent Let's let's get into some rapping. But
before we get into some rabbing, there's something I wanted
to talk to you about. I want to talk to
you about it, like while the show is on, not
(45:04):
like off anything like that, but we we've had this
idea like sort of like bubbling an exception since the
beginning of this podcast, and I kind of just want
to talk to you about it so that everybody can
hear us, because like I want them to anticipate it
to what we've been kind of talking about doing an
episode where we're completely rapping and whatever it is we're
(45:26):
talking about that the entire the entire topic of the episode.
We're going to discuss it in the form of rap.
It's going to be very difficult and logistically challenging for
the two of us to do with our schedule, But
I know Mariah knows, and all the people who work
on this show knows that when we do get it,
it's gonna be kind of fucking amazing. I have I have,
(45:55):
I have confidence in our team. We'll we'll get it right.
But anyway, y'all look out, that's to be something that's
gonna come soon. Maybe Mariah can do a poll as
to what the topic will be because of debate might
actually be the best way to go about it. Oh
like back, oh like ba yeah, rap debate about whether
hot dogs were a sandwich? And Mariah was pro when
(46:17):
when you were proer against? I think I was pro,
And I also think I was pro and that I won.
And I was like, yeah, I think you want to
because who the hell thinks? Yeah, like, who the hell
thinks that hot dogs aren't a sandwich? Yeah? Well know
is that the other way around? I don't know. I
just know I was really upset that I lost for
(46:39):
a couple of days. The real question of the ages
is whether or not cereal soup and but no, no,
hell that's with fly have flawless opinions. I'm dope, Knight.
Are we saying goodbye right now? Joe dropping me year
(47:04):
waiting on reparations? Yeah? I burned down trees like napalm bombs,
weeding my jeans like great on, Sean, you come in
with that wad ship where I'm from, you don't get
found to the seance done A brother spit like he's
mentally wild. Let's see the Army of the Dead Black folks,
(47:26):
and it's stressing me now. The tops the shop Yana
wasn't meant to be out. So when I say your name,
I ain't talking desk to the child in my hood.
Every day as Women's Day, we don't go the crooked way.
How funk are right? When you can tell me what
I shouldn't say, Mothers of the earth, you fuel give
me my reparations, landing my goddamn celebrating women's history. And
so we want to give some mona to Brianna in
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case he thought me for got it. Because the police
still roment. These co strets were not l taking whatever
they gotta say. They get a word, they pull up
on you with no notice. Scutts Cockton loaded with the
mothers smoking when they leave her to up in the
clothing According to India, Sofa where your son have been nappened?
Two years after we lost Bryanna, the Saint ship staint
hattant to be coming for the Chevrid, coming for the
(48:09):
deputies and the captain don't match. How long did it
takes me gonna be running and running winning this great sad?
All right, now we're done and I'm that was I'm
dope night and I'm gonna go eating soup, a k
A bowl of Captain Flakes me next week by listen
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(00:26):
to My name is Dove, Knife, R and B singers, croners.
We're not, but we are wating our reparations certainly, And um,
how are you doing? Happy? You know what? Happy? Happy today?
I know you guys are gonna be here in this
like four days later, three days later or something like that.
(00:48):
But Happy International Women's Day to you, Mariah. Thanks yeah, which,
uh I guess, little Joan fact. International Women's Day started
off as International Working Women to Day, as a socialist
holiday to celebrate the international female proletariat. So shout out
(01:09):
to my my working class ladies everywhere showed out to
the pros, the hose and the pros like, what's up?
We see you, we see you? So yeah, I don't know,
uh lesser known. It's funny to see it get co
opted by uh like corporations and ship I don't know
(01:30):
if you saw, like on Twitter today there's this bot
that every time a corporation or like a company tweets
about international Women's Day, it will retweet it with the
pay gap between men and women at that company, and
likening is left and right have been like deleting their posts,
like I guess you're not going to celebrate women today
(01:51):
because we got called out? That a good thing? Though,
isn't that like a good contribution though, Like isn't it
isn't that good information to know? Or no? Oh no,
it's great, fabulous, Yeah, it's fantastic. I really appreciate that
someone took the time out to write that code. But uh,
I mean I haven't been able to avoid like the
ads and the commercial breaks, Like every YouTube ad is
like theme like that I when I'm watching ship But
(02:14):
I mean it's it's always funny because it's like dudes.
Whenever I hear like dudes like giving their shout out
to International Women's daying, it's like heads always give example
examples of women that they know personally, which I guess
is unavoidable. But I mean it's like it's definitely supposed
to be like a broader celebration. Like for me, it's like, yeah,
(02:35):
you don't want to give a shout out to my
mom and you've annoyed the ship out of her for
your first eighteen, if not forty years of life. So
um next um oh yeah, I also shout out to
my godmother May Jamison. You know, yeah, we need to
(02:56):
do an episode on her this month. Oh we should?
You know we do? Yeah, those Women's History months all
month long. Yeah, I don't think, you know, it should
be Women's History Month everybody, the same way it should
be Black History Month every month. But you know, I
guess if things, if the conditions of society were such
(03:18):
that these things wouldn't have to be highlighted as months
for the first place, it would just be the way
things are and everything, you know, everyone would consider always
have this appreciation. Here's the thought, what if everything were
about black women all of the time, so it's both
of the things together and all of the time and
(03:41):
only that thoughts. I'm with it. I'm with it. I
think we're halfway on the way there, because I just
came back from the theater from seeing a movie that
had a real dope black woman in it. You know
what I'm saying. Ze Kravitz was whipping his asses a
catwoman in that new Batman. Joy. It was fire. He's
(04:01):
check it out. Remember when you remember when we're talking
about the matrix a couple of weeks ago or a
month ago or so, like it's the complete opposite of
the major So like, what do you mean good? Yeah,
like good you know what I'm saying with like good
acting and that's still the opposite of bad. Like I'm
just checking in a point of view. You know, it
(04:22):
was not it was dope, though I recommend we I'll
gush over it. It's some other day. But women's Women's
International Women's Day. What are we talking about? So this week,
you know, it's Women's History Month, It's Women's International Women's
Day today. So this week we're paying tribute to a
(04:42):
woman we lost almost two years ago to the day,
Brianna Taylor um Last week her one of the officers
involved in her death, Brett Hankinson, was found was acquitted
of charges of wanted endangerment for shooting into her neighbor's apartment.
It's not even four her murder, so his only consequences
(05:04):
he got fired, only consequences that they got fired. So yeah,
we're gonna be talking a little bit about all of that,
revisiting the case, also talking a little bit about the
ratio of racial violence acains black women in terms of
just like Black Lives Matter movement, and then no Knock raids,
which are still a thing now and ever worsening crisis
in some ways. If you look over the last couple
(05:26):
of decades and just kind of talk about like black
people's rights to defend ourselves or lack their own, you
know what, that just made me think of you saying that.
So George Floyd died, Ranna Taylor died, and Marda Arebury died.
Motherfucker is marsh for that whole summer, right, And two
years later people are still getting shot from No Knock awards.
(05:51):
We didn't we weren't even able to change that, Whereas
like the fucking January six, motherfucker's did their right it
they're legitimate, like assault on the state. And a year later,
like thirty states have implemented all these ridiculous Republican laws
in anti voting legislation, and you're like that, see how
(06:13):
that ship works. It's just and that's one topic I
want to get to later on in the show is
like revolution fatigue of like a prettyular on the left
of like there's a catalytic moment and everyone takes to
the streets and then like nothing happens and everyone stops.
I'm like, I think it's going to require a little
more persistence than that, people, and so like what do
(06:34):
we do about that question? But yeah, we're gonna get
into all of that today, but first we'll take a
little break and we'll be back after the jump. All right,
(06:54):
ladies and gentlemen, party people in the place to be
are listening to waiting our reparations. We are back. So, Mariah,
this case I didn't why is it? Do you think
that this didn't make the news like that? Do you
think it's because there's so much going on? Because truth
be told, I didn't know about this until we were
(07:15):
getting ready to uh do this episode, and I guess
I kind of fell into that malaise that everybody else
fell into where it's like, okay, Derek Chopin went to jail.
I guess everything's gonna work itself out in this case
kind of went out of sight, out of mind. So no, absolutely,
I feel like this has been This has garnered surprisingly
(07:36):
mute response. Little little I haven't seen it anywhere, I mean,
like topic, I haven't seen a hashtag, nothing, Nope, nope,
And like any other day, you know, people hashtag say
her name all that stuff, And yeah, I think that
does come down to what I talked about at the
top about like quote unquote like revolution fatigue. That's not
a good term for listeners. If you have a good
(07:58):
better term for that, holla me d MS on Instagram
or something revolutions though, I mean it's not it's not
the most flattering I guess phrase coming depending on your
point of view, but it sounds accurate. People a part
of this don't even aren't even about revolution. I don't
even think of what that either, because that sounds like
(08:19):
messy and auchi. But you know, it's all some people
out here like just want the ba the bare minimum,
like no knockerdes to not happen anymore period, you know,
and like we haven't even gotten that, but like it's
just it's so exhausting. I mean, and during at the time,
like white folks were getting made at the time, like
you know, upright to white folks were getting made fun
of for like talking about like ally ship fatigue, like oh,
(08:41):
I'm so tired of being an ally. I'm so exhausted
from being in the streets because it is traumatic, like
putting your body on the line against the cops, Like
what do I Am I gonna die today? I'm gonna
lose an eye to day? Am I gonna like cry today?
Am I gonna eat some fries that? You know what?
Like not knowing what's gonna happen, And so it's exhausting.
It is austing, but contributing factor might be just some
(09:03):
of the ways in which we consume media now where
it's like everybody has a short attention span, and yeah,
the twenty four hour news cycle doesn't help because there's
always a new calamity, like literally every single day, UM,
there are increasing numbers of people who have utterly lost
faith in UM the criminal legal system like that. That's
(09:24):
you know, it's become a very mainstream understanding that justice
does not come through like the punishment bureaucracy, like after
a mod the mod are very verdict. You saw so
many like you know, Senator Warnock and like all these
like progressive organizations and politicians talking about how true justice
(09:45):
could not be gained through a verdict because true justice
would be a mod are very still being with us today.
And the fact that people are willing to acknowledge that
now very mainstream figures people a lot of power. Just
shows how much the Overton window has shifted on this you,
but it also explains why like kind of nobody, like
very few people have given a funk about this because
(10:07):
it's like, well, of course not like impunity remains the
status quo for police officers, like the overwhelming majority of cases,
it took nationwide rioting in order for us to even
get um Derek Chauvin arrested, like protesting, but also like
(10:28):
I nation my protesting. But but I've been talking about
this lately. I think that non violence only works because
the implication of violence. So like non violence marching and
all that, ship only works because they're scared that you
will burn ship to the ground. They're like, oh my god,
this mob. What if we don't appease them? And they like,
(10:51):
you know, a store in the capital, right, and so yes,
peaceful protests, but also I imagine the the you know,
burn ing up the third Precincts in Minneapolis, didn't you know.
I'm sure that contributed somewhat to them being like, oh ship,
we better fucking do something. Are weird. Definitely did definitely
(11:12):
did not at all advocating for those tactics, but I'm
sure it weighed heavily on their minds and they were like,
do we actually hold the people accountable? What? Really don't? Right?
I really don't. Do you remember me enough that night
when that move when the precincting Minneapolis were burned down,
like I felt like, I was like, wow, this is
a new day's here. I don't didn't want to wake
(11:35):
up to this day. But here we are coffee and
get on the bus. Well, we might be dropping the
lead a bit. So just to get everybody caught up
to speed, so exactly tell tell them what the situation
is with Rihanna Taylor's case. Okay, So I mean just
to review the facts. March Um, Jonathan Maddenly, Burt Haikison,
(11:57):
and Miles Cosgrove, three agents of the Louisville Metro Police Department,
forced entry into Brian Taylor's department and as part of
an investigation for drug dealing, and they thought her boyfriend
Um was the drug dealer. Her boyfriend thought the officers
were breaking in trying to you know, rob them or something,
and fired a warning shot at them. Um. The officers
(12:19):
fired through two shots in return, killing Taylor but on
but um Walker was uninjured, her boyfriend Tyler Walker, and
so UM in the aftermath, Walker was charged with I
think it was attempted murder, later dropped you know charges.
But um, the Brent Hakison was brought up on UM
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was indicted for wanted endangerment. So the a G the
Attorney General of Kentucky, did not give the jury the
option to um try him for any kind anything connected
with was already predetermined that that wasn't a crime, that's
not something make an indict him on. So they gave
the jury the option and the grand jury to bring
(13:04):
him up on charges of one daydreamant for endangering her
neighbors by firing randomly. Right. So um, that's where we
were at. UM up until about last week. We had
a bunch of you know rappers from Kanye Little Baby
donated and supported Brianna's family's legal team. She showed up
in a variety of songs, including Tiana Taylor's self directed
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UM music video last year where she dressed up like
Brianna Taylor in her A M T uniform. It was
kind of like cringe, but like a thing that happened.
But um, but yeah, so UM, here we are Brett
Hakison was fired. UM. The city of Louisville did agree
to pay Taylor's family twelve million dollars and reform police practices.
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But UM, Ultimately Hankinson was acquitted of all of all charge.
It's never charged with her death. Actually, UM, Miles Cosgrove
was often with her. Ballistics determined that he was the
actually the person that killed Brianna, but he was never
charged with anything. Brend Hagison acquitted of one endangerment. Only
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only consequences he faced was being fired. And it's my
understanding the other two. Sure, let me look this up
a quick. I think the ELECTI still work for police department.
Do you know, UM, when this verdict was reached or
when the when it was dropped or whatever? Um, the
first things first, let me see if this guy still
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works for UM. He was acquitted UM four days ago. Okay,
so four days ago didn't even make a blip. I
didn't hear anything about that whatsoever. Um. Yeah, So I
mean this like all fits like a trend, like a
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going trend of like during these you know, with all
of with the fervor that gets you know, the comes
up when these sort of incidents happen. It definitely seems
like there's an imbalance of the attention against when it
happens to a black woman as opposed to when it
happens to a black man. Now, I mean, it definitely
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doesn't sound circumstantial because like the cases in the black
women are just as tragic and just as chaotic, more
newsworthy or whatever sensational, whatever you want to apply to it.
That makes these things like big stories and people like
in the public lexicon and ship. So, I mean, what's
going on here? I mean, I do think it ultimately
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is a matter of like of the media. I don't
think it's a case of like these communities themselves not
raising this issue and raising Hell, it's whether or not
it turns into a movement regionally or nationally, by whether
or not it's getting picked up by CNN and to
what degree the protests on the ground are getting covered. Um. So, like,
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I just can't explain it any other way because particularly
with the way that they like contemporary incarnation of the
Black Lives Matter movement are really the whole time it's
been led by black women who have insisted that all
Black lives matter, centering trans folks and centering queer folks
and women and all like all of us. Um. But
really it's just I think I just think it comes
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down to the media, what they report on, what stories
they think are important, um, and the way that then
allows these stories to catch fire in the public imagination
and inspire wider um um awareness and action. Because I think,
for example, okay, so think about a mod are very
So people out in Brunswick were like raising, how about
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a mod are very way before that video came out.
They knew something was fucky about the whole situation, but
it wasn't until the video came out and that got
picked up by the national media and national pundits and
activists that that whole ship popped off because it got
into the national media um. And so I think that's
the case of a lot of these black women were
like around. I mean, the video is key. Unfortunately, like
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people have to see it with their own eyes to
actually be upset about it. Um. Increasingly so now that
we are paying closer attention and also not because we're
all exhausted from how much attention be paid to it
in the last two years. But yeah, I mean, ultimately,
I don't know how it's explained it. I mean, yeah,
that's I think that's exactly what it is. It's like
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it it's fucked up because like the video really is
the key. It's like, especially now, you know, people have
to have that visual stimulat. I mean, you know this,
you make music, it's like you know, it's it's kind
of not even worth putting out us all unless you
have something visual for people to look at. Now, So
maybe there's something like that because our brains are geared
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towards seeing that that when we see the MODBA you know,
like you said, the mode auberating situation happened way before
anybody saw that tape, But seeing that tape is what
kind of spurned that and made that thing that went
into you know, the public consciousness and stuff. Same thing
with George Floyd, whereas we didn't have a tape or
Brianna Taylor and what would even be saying Brianna Taylor's
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name today if George Ford hadn't been killed two months later,
Like you know, we we heard about that ship, like
you know, her her death came days before the pandemic
really hit the United States, and folks were like, oh,
that's sucked up and sad, But then I didn't do
anything until we watched George Floyd die. I mean you
know where I was there, you know, like I was
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saying even back then, like I even wonder if any
of that ship would have happened if we weren't in
the pandemic, Like I'm mad, I'm not even sure about
that that I wanted to a degree as well, the
pandemic has influenced that sense of revolution fatigue, where like
people were also experienced pandemic fatigue, and like you know,
at the time, we're like folks then felt like there
was no other option to hit the streets. Now there's like, well,
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you know, I'm vaccinated, but I'm not boosted, and like,
you know, doing this dance around what's safe and what's
not in the more like a more thought full place.
Then at the time we were like, don't you know,
give me, give me the coronavirus. I'm out here, I'm
out here in these streets. I don't give a damn um.
So what are some other cases that have Like I mean,
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I know the one that happened in a Columbus, Ohio
with are you pronouncing McKay bryant? Oh? That was actually
she was in a like a fist fight in her
yard and that's how she got So also like whatever
happened with that, never heard about that again thanks to
national media. Appreciate you for that. But um, real quick though,
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I wanted to bring up two other women that we're
killed that like note like people didn't like have never
talked about the same way they have talked about male
counterparts have a similar kind of death. So Ianna Stanley
Jones seven year old, um, you know cost bus in
her house and actually shot her dead, no outcry whatsoever.
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Comparable with like Trayvon Martin that happened a couple of
years later, Like tray Bond was definitely like a like
a critical moment with like Black Lives Matter, I think
of like growing awareness, growing movement action nationwide in the
modern era. That probably kicked it off. I mean what
was that? It was like I would say that like
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after that and then Mike Brown a couple of years
after that, that was kind of the start. Ferguson was
like the real like pop off. But yeah, but yeah,
Trayvon was like the definitely planning the seeds of that
and then going even farther back. I mean, I got
a song on this of a new album that we
played on the tow last week talking about the killing
Natasha Harlan's shop sixteen year old girl, you know, shot
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in the convenience store. The um killer like pretty much
got like a fine and like community service for like
murdering a teenager. Um and so on the ground, people
on the ground in Los Angeles. This was a big deal.
This was fucked up. But it wasn't until the video
of any King getting his aspeat that like the l
A riots popped off. So I mean that that visual
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element though, you know, like a visual element though, I mean,
you're right, You're right. I mean part of it is
seeing it with your own eyes. Um. Yeah, So we're
going through that again again, and we're still going through
ship with no knock warrants to this day. Um so
let's talk a little bit about what those are. I'll
let you take it. Talked a lot. No knocks are
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issued under the belief that any evidence they hope to
find maybe destroyed between the time the police identify themselves
and the time that they secure the area, or in
the event of where a large perceived threat to the
officer's safety during the execution of a war. So in
other words, like you know, if they think somebody's gonna
go flush some drugs down the toilet, or if they
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think that somebody's particularly dangerous at the minute that they
hear police that they'll pull out a gun and start
spraying at the door. Pretty much, it's like a paranoia
or fear that every situation they're going to get in
is going to turn into die hard partly, you know
what I'm saying. So, so that's that's that's kind of
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you know, that's a layman's logic behind the idea of
a or not. So why is it so persistent? Why
do they use no knock so persistently? I mean, I
think it's to do with the militarization of the police
since the nineteen eighties, where it's just like because they can,
they will, because they've been given more tools, the flash
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playing grenades and the and the armor and the drones
and all this ship they're just like, well we have it,
why not you know, and that um yeah, you know, LARPing,
you know, loving the power play or whatever. Um. Also
as a function of like creating dangerous situations for themselves
where there isn't actually a threat to like really to
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like reinforce their own unders like their own beliefs about
how danger us the job is. So for example, like
you know, policing is not even in the top ten
most dangerous jobs in the country, most cops, most you know,
or like coronavirus, These COVID killed more cops than anything else,
than anything else, anything else, And so they're like, Okay,
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we need to create this really tense situation to make
ourselves feel scared, to like justify how scared feel about
this job. Yeah, person, like you know, inventing threats where
there are none. Um So, the use of no knock
worms increased substantially over time. By one estimates, there was
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fift hundred annually in the eighties, whereas by there were
sixty thousand and seventy thousand no knocks or quick knock
rates conducted by local police annually, the majority of which
we're looking for marijuana. So they definitely just fucking just
blow your mind. Yeah, we'd a plant I plan. I
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could walk down the look, I can walk down the
street smoke at a joint full of dried tobacco plant
and that's cool. But if that dried plant is weed,
I can be put into metal shackles, strip searched, deprived
of sunlight, um, deprived of contact with my family, Like
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what the what? What? What? What are we still doing?
Even even if you wanted to, like let's say you
just even if you wanted to give an inch to
the argument and be like, Okay, no, you you might
need this, you know, for the things that you encounter
when you're you know, serving a warrant or whatever. Even
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just thinking about, like from a practical nature, like if
it were to go wrong, the repercussions of that with
it seems like, you know, that should influence several hundred
thousand judges to not give out sixty and seventy thousand
of these damned things in a year, you know what
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I'm saying, Like you burst them the wrong person's ship obviously,
like you drop a flash bang in a baby's crib,
blind them, You go into something, you see somebody on
the couch, they're surprised, you shoot them. Everybody. There's three
hundred million guns floating around the country. Everybody's got one.
And then you're getta like burst into my house. And
in my house that is like you're just gonna burst
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in That's what's crazy, is that, Like, that's how you
that's how you know that the ship is not happening
to people who quote unquote matter because if they had
to live with even the possibility of the threat, if
there was even the possibility of the threat, then a
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swat team could bust into Elon Musk house accidentally and
spray them up or spray ups you know what I'm saying,
Like they wouldn't be doing that ship. Now, you're right though,
You're right though, and like our our right to like
what is our right to defend ourselves. They had an
episode on this recently, but like and one of these,
well it wasn't a super recent case. I think it
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was two thousand six, but two year old lady Katherine
Johnson here in Atlanta assumed her home was being invaded
during a no knock raid and tired a warning shot
over the officer's head. Has anyone ever do if there
as their house is getting busted too? But police fired
thirty nine shots in response, five of which hit this
ninety two year old lady and one of the officers,
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who was Atlanta convicted of planning three bags of marijuana
in her home and then the others. I mean, this
is a rare case. Why you're saying the next one?
I need to find out what the hell happened to
those cops. No, so okay. So one of the officers
was convicted for planning weed in their house, and then
the other officers involved the raid UM were convicted of manslaughter,
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of making fall statements, conspiracy to bylight civil rights um
result saying in someone's death, feel like that they were
actually held accountable for this, but like nothing's gonna bring
you know, their grandma, their mom, their neighbor. They're like,
you know the old church lady that brings the fruit,
bread or whatever like that she's dead and so like
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it's a banana that she was, like that I want
to bring into her house. So she fired a warning
shot and they just like literally unloaded with Like does
that sound like anyone who is trying, like who's number
one priority is like protecting life and protecting the peace
and trying to make sure that nobody gets her? Does
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a bunch of yah who's firing letting off thirty nine rounds?
Is that? You know what I mean? I'm not like
I've never been an operator or a military guy or
anything like that. But that sounds like, hey man, if
if you don't want to like hit somebody who doesn't
deserve to be hit, like would you just go into
somewhere shooting thirty nine times? Or or if you're so
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petrified that like you heard a gunshot, warning shot or no.
And this is all of this what I'm saying is
why I'm not a cop. But it's like, if you
hear a gunshot, warning shot or no, in your immediate
response is to just unload your gun in a direction
until it's empty. That doesn't that doesn't sound like good
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police work. I mean yeah, And that's why I've increasingly
come to refer to police and prison supremacy in this
country that like this, like policing in prisons matter more
than like anything like collateral damage of like killing a
child or in person falsely and you know, um, imprisoning
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someone for decades um for a crime it didn't commit,
Like none of the ship matters. Um. The thing that
matters most is like keeping the system propped up protecting
the people that are killing the people, Like that's the
number one thing. And so like the term supremacy invokes
usually you here in in in relation to like white supremacy,
and they are interlinked. But it's like a way to
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refer to the way to the mattering of these institutions
more so than human life. That someone protecting yourself. Like
if I, for some reason it was a police officer,
I would be like, all right, kill me before I
gotta kill you. What I mean, Like, I'm here to
protect and serve the public. I'm willing to, like actually
willing to lay down my life, Like if someone I
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think it's firing warning shot, like because I'm breaking into
their house and they shoot me, Like that is the
a's part of the duty, Like I wanted to be
that way that situation should rise, but it's literally the job.
That's the thing. Is Like the whole entire idea behind
a police officer being a hero or you like having
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like the like being like a heroic figure in society
is based on the like premise that you're endangering your life,
that you're sacrificing your life and your well being in
your safety for the good of everybody else, Like a
police job is supposed to be I'm gonna risk my
life to protect everybody else, Not I'm gonna risk everybody
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else's life so I can feel safe. I can fuck
do that ship. Yeah you know what I mean, don't
let me do it. Yeah, I'm five six a hundred
thirty five pounds when I have changed in my pocket.
Like yeah, if like, if I get into any sort
of like scuffle or altercation, I'm fighting for my life.
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You'd rather be just I don't know, you know, I
don't want to be clear because I don't want to
like talk about whose lives matter. More like in this instance,
it's it's really that this is an avoidable situation. Like
they were coming after this little while with lady for weed.
Next case we're gonna talk about they're coming after the
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guy for like fifty dollars worth of meth. Much like
got this bad? Really wish people weren't doing that. But
also like these situations don't have to arise at all
if we treated this like the public health crisis that
it is with regards to more serious, more serious substances
than wed because weed is not even a problem at all. Um,
But yeah, it's bananas. It's bananas. We live in a
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police supremacist state. But to move on to another story
from Georgia, another pleasant one. Actually this is oh this
is a lot. But Cornelia, Georgian Um, a police informant,
alleged that he bought fifty bucks worth of meth from
this thirty year old dealer at a residence belonging to
his mother. Um wan is Dona Teva. No, I don't want.
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I don't want to kind of want to. Don't want
to say because I'm messing up. I think. I mean
we try, Okay, one is don't Yeah, I don't know.
I just to keep over it. So this man did
not proside at the house. Um, but you know who did?
A family with four young children. So uh Sheriff's deffie
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for Cornelia secure to know not warrant um and uh
you know just apparently woke up the county magistrate at
his house and like making false statements to him to
secure the warrant. But in any case, they executed the
warrant throwing a flash band grenade into a room containing
a nineteen month old child. Um. The grenade exploded in
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the child's playpen, causing severe burns and other life certaining
injuries that ultimately required the child to be placed into
a medical coma, and received more than one million dollars
in surgery. So this became a subject of a lawsuit
against the police department to pay for the medical bills. Um.
You know, the legal case argued that like there's literally
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like a child plastic pool in the yard and packaging
for the play plan playpen, that the infant was sleeping
in next to the door that the police came in,
and like there was literally like evidence everywhere on their
approach that they are a children, but children lived in
this house. Um, Like, what kind of gross negligence could
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you imagine beyond this? I'll tell you what type of
GRESSI negligens is they don't recognize that as being a
human child. Let's just keep it all right. It's depends
on the neighborhood they're in and where the cops who
are doing the ship are front. You know what I'm saying.
If they're walking, if they're in a black neighborhood or whatever,
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and they see a kids pool, that doesn't register to
those dudes who are all geared up in their ship
with their MP five ready to go, Like they're not thinking, oh,
there's there's children running around. That's just what it comes
down to. It's like a lack of like it's like
a lack of empathy fee like you know what I'm saying,
like a lack of recognizing the humanity and others really plainly,
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plainly yeah yeah. And the way that fear points into
that and to sort of say, well, I fear from
my life to just completely erased and minimize any sorts
of situational awareness or concern for other human life that
comes into a situation like this, where like if you're
scared enough, you can say like, oh, well I was,
you know, terrified, and so I didn't see the child's
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plastic pool in the yard. And it's like because the
police supremacy is like, oh, that's a that's a that's
a you know, a good enough, yeah, good enough excuse.
You're cool and things are bad, things are bad enough
if you even just say, hey, shit happens, you know
what I mean, Like even even just chalking stuff up
to hey, this is their job. Sh It happens, and
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you know, it sucks that that little girl got burned
or that person had to die or whatever. But like
even doing that is and this is how you know,
conservatives and right wingers are full of shit about it.
But even doing that is like making the like the
mental lead that people generally aren't like really that corrupt
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that heart or at nature, which is like the whole
conservative like mindset. So you're let you're giving police in
general in these institutions all this power and all this
unaccountability and you're not even factoring into it, Like, Yo,
what if what if some of this ship was deliberately done?
You know what I'm saying, Like, I mean, you've had
you've had gangs, gang units busted and cops doing illegal stuff.
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You had you had cops arrested for they're selling drugs.
You've had the cops cover up murders and stuff like that.
So like, let police like have this sort of like
to have let them have this power is assuming that
you know, somebody won't use the excuse of a no
not warrant to make a hit on someone, thinking about
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like a civil asset forfeiture and their ability to just
like steal stuff from people. Swatting Yeah, yeah, all that
ship um just like yeah calling in swat hits on
people like oh, this person is making a bomb. So
you can like here's a question if somebody, let's say
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somebody called let's say somebody swatted someone else, right, and
the cops. You know, the cops did they're no, they're no,
not thing or whatever. In some in the homeowner got
shot and they found out who the person was who
called in that swatting. Would the district attorney try that
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person for murder? No, because it enabled them to like
because going in there just like an out of controlled
death squad. Right, Yeah, yeah, I mean there's a way
in which like, yeah, I don't know, I am am
I making some am I saying? Am I saying that
clear enough? But maybe I didn't know, And I don't know.
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I don't I don't know like case history about whether
that has ever happened. I don't think it has happened,
But I think I think the day that that happens
is gonna be one hell of the case. Well, I mean,
you know, I don't want to say for certain, but
like it just it feels to me that if a
district attorney can press charges on someone for attempted murder
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for them calling the cops on somebody else, like you
kind of you know what I mean, Like you're it's like, yeah,
what else did you expect the cops to do except
go kill that person? It's pretty much homeboy. Yeah. But um, thankfully,
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the county did end up paying this family three point
six million dollars, including UM one point six billion for
pain and suffering, so the child surgeries were covered. But
the search yielded no drugs, no drug drug dealer, no weapons,
and the grand jury in Happerston County UM declined to
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indict any of the participants in this raid. UM though
ultimately the federal federal prosecutors did secure an indictment against
one of the deputies, but then she was acquitted by
any wrong for any wrongdoing. Uh So it's like back
and forth like, oh, maybe the fans will do it. Oh,
the fans aren't gonna do it all maybe no, no, no,
(38:33):
no no, And it just comes down to money. They're
just like, oh, here's some money for all your pain
and suffering and a lifetime of trauma. Have a good time.
You know, it doesn't it doesn't ring back what you lost.
You know what might cut down on police brutality if
like someone makes uh strong effort to go after prosecute
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prosecutor misconduct and stuff. You know what I'm saying, Like,
if if prosecutors have to start paying like gigantic fines
or they start losing you know, they're there ability to
practice law or ship like that when when like cases
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that they tried turns out the person was innocent, you
know what I mean, or that they unfairly went after.
I think you can probably bring a several suit against
someone for like wrongful conviction. I don't know, I need
to not talk about you. I don't know about I know,
I don't know that, but um no, yeah, but like
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if you're like paying fine, paid a fine to who
a higher chord that's also super corrupt, Like I don't know,
it's it's turtles all the way down. Man, It's fucked up.
It's not it's m well, um, let's take a little
break and then let's come back with some final thoughts
on this issue, because you know, we we definitely don't
want to keep it all doom and gloom and stuff
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like that. So we will take a break and we'll
be right back. All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are back. Dope.
Nice La Franco waiting on reparations. You know what it is?
So Mariah, what are you? What are your parting thoughts
on this? Like? What what can I mean? What can
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we do? I don't even want to ask, like, what
can we do to bring awareness to the sort of thing, because,
like you said, it's not about Wayne, which case matters more,
And like a lot of that stuff, you know, you
can't really control it. Some thing's for you know, for
good or bad. Like some things just like catch the
public's attention in public eye comes out the right time,
the right moment and the right context and whatever. So
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what are some of the things that people can do
just generally to raise awareness about these cases that slipped
through the cracks in general? Well, I think what this,
all of this tells us that no one remembers Iron
Stanley Jones, that people didn't talk about a mirror lock
twenty year old killed in a no knock raid maybe
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about a month ago in Minneapolis. Minneapolis the police department,
which is like notoriously one of the most corrupt and
violent in the country. Like, raising awareness isn't doing it.
I think that when we come back to this question
of like quote unquote revolution fatigue, where people are just
so tired of hearing about it, sadly is that folks
who were new to this and have been more aware
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of it ever since and trying to struggle against it
even if superficially did not have robust resiliency practices in
place to carry them through how long this fight will
require of us? So, um, folks, just we are throwing
themselves out there every single day and giving themselves p
(41:48):
atsd getting you know, getting secondary drama from like watching
all this death on social media and they didn't have
like just living in a capitalist like society. Don't we
lean on consumerism to make us feel better by like, oh,
let me order some uber eats, let me watch the
next episode of euphoria, let me buy a new hoodie
on you know, Instagram shop, which is what I do.
(42:10):
I have a retail therapy problem. Yeah check out Yeah
where in my like for for everyone collective to reabilitate
the carcerat shirt because that was to make me feel
better when I'm tired and sad. But um, so yeah,
we don't know how to just care for each other
like deeply, and um we need to build that kind
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of practice in order to sustain our engagement with with
the truth. You know, people raise awareness and people. For
us to truly continue to engage with it, we have
to be ready to by like being in a deeply
grounded place. I think there's additional value to that in
that some like folks of like an abolitionist strain, they
don't funk with the state at all. They like, the
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government ain't never gonna get us free. I kind of
get it. Having worked in the government, I'm like, Wow,
this ship really isn't getting people free. That's weird. Um.
And so it's like it's us, we keep us safe,
that's it. And so thinking about that in terms of
like longevity of the struggle, like, all right, we're gonna
take care of each other to help us get through
this because we've gotta keep fighting. But also if the
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state's not gonna give you the substance of you s
treatment or the mental health counseling or the community garden
or whatever you need to promote community stability, you go
out and do that. Shape yourself so bold in terms
of like a like a practice to keep yourself sane,
and also a way to minimize the reach of like
state violence by just being like, you know, we don't
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even need to We don't. We don't even need five
of them around here. We like do our own thing.
We're good. Um, It's like a way forward that I think, Um,
it's worth considering because I don't know, I think right
when is it's getting raised, that's just getting retweets or whatever,
and it has the five minute segment on CNN. But
those people don't know how to like be well enough
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to keep it, to keep engaging, to keep acting on
it because they're fucking quote quote tired. You know. Well,
one of the things that y'all can do is check
out the National Police Accountability Project and other organizations like that. Um,
you know, see if there's any volunteering things you can do.
Retweet a post, donate, if you can stuff like that.
(44:17):
There's there's definitely people who are out there doing your work.
And you know, it's just like Mariah just said, it's
just gonna take like a collective consciousness to get these
things done. Ship, throw me some money if you throw
money around Venmo, Yeah about here every day, baby, I
need that over eats. I love consumerism. I need a
couple waiting on reparations. You know, we're always writing yeah
(44:42):
from Atrey month, like, bitch, what what are you doing? Well? Ship?
I mean, right now is what they're doing. I can
hear it. Why why don't we vent it? Hey, why
don't we vent Let's let's get into some rapping. But
before we get into some rabbing, there's something I wanted
to talk to you about. I want to talk to
you about it, like while the show is on, not
(45:04):
like off anything like that, but we we've had this
idea like sort of like bubbling an exception since the
beginning of this podcast, and I kind of just want
to talk to you about it so that everybody can
hear us, because like I want them to anticipate it
to what we've been kind of talking about doing an
episode where we're completely rapping and whatever it is we're
(45:26):
talking about that the entire the entire topic of the episode.
We're going to discuss it in the form of rap.
It's going to be very difficult and logistically challenging for
the two of us to do with our schedule, But
I know Mariah knows, and all the people who work
on this show knows that when we do get it,
it's gonna be kind of fucking amazing. I have I have,
(45:55):
I have confidence in our team. We'll we'll get it right.
But anyway, y'all look out, that's to be something that's
gonna come soon. Maybe Mariah can do a poll as
to what the topic will be because of debate might
actually be the best way to go about it. Oh
like back, oh like ba yeah, rap debate about whether
hot dogs were a sandwich? And Mariah was pro when
(46:17):
when you were proer against? I think I was pro,
And I also think I was pro and that I won.
And I was like, yeah, I think you want to
because who the hell thinks? Yeah, like, who the hell
thinks that hot dogs aren't a sandwich? Yeah? Well know
is that the other way around? I don't know. I
just know I was really upset that I lost for
(46:39):
a couple of days. The real question of the ages
is whether or not cereal soup and but no, no,
hell that's with fly have flawless opinions. I'm dope, Knight.
Are we saying goodbye right now? Joe dropping me year
(47:04):
waiting on reparations? Yeah? I burned down trees like napalm bombs,
weeding my jeans like great on, Sean, you come in
with that wad ship where I'm from, you don't get
found to the seance done A brother spit like he's
mentally wild. Let's see the Army of the Dead Black folks,
(47:26):
and it's stressing me now. The tops the shop Yana
wasn't meant to be out. So when I say your name,
I ain't talking desk to the child in my hood.
Every day as Women's Day, we don't go the crooked way.
How funk are right? When you can tell me what
I shouldn't say, Mothers of the earth, you fuel give
me my reparations, landing my goddamn celebrating women's history. And
so we want to give some mona to Brianna in
(47:48):
case he thought me for got it. Because the police
still roment. These co strets were not l taking whatever
they gotta say. They get a word, they pull up
on you with no notice. Scutts Cockton loaded with the
mothers smoking when they leave her to up in the
clothing According to India, Sofa where your son have been nappened?
Two years after we lost Bryanna, the Saint ship staint
hattant to be coming for the Chevrid, coming for the
(48:09):
deputies and the captain don't match. How long did it
takes me gonna be running and running winning this great sad?
All right, now we're done and I'm that was I'm
dope night and I'm gonna go eating soup, a k
A bowl of Captain Flakes me next week by listen
(48:36):
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