Diamond Platnumz Opens Up: Real Father, Cheating Confession, Marriage, New Album & Reality TV Drama
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
What's up its way up with Angela. Yeah, and I
am not as way up as this guy. Diamond Platinums
is here with us. Thank you for joining us today.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
It's my pleasure to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
You are truly a multi hyphen it though, because you
have so many amazing things happening, you know, just from
the music, from being a business owner, CEO of a label,
you know, starring on a hit Netflix series, I mean Young,
Famous and African. I started watching that just because it
popped up on my Netflix as things that I should
watch and I was drawn in immediately. So and I
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think your character, I don't want to say character because
this is supposed to be a reality show, but you
on there, you're definitely entertaining.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeah, and that's what I wanted to do. It's like
it won't be in the show then you're just borrying person.
It doesn't look good to you to the viewers, like
you have to leave the legs, have to leave the mark.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
You know. It's interesting because I see like so many
breakdowns on YouTube of people trying to analyze.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
You and so other people take you positively about trying
to take your negative. At that end of the day,
it's about I want people to be entertained. I want
people to feel happy. You know, life is it's too short,
so I want people to to be entertained.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Well, you're from Tanzania.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I'm from Tanzania and.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
You definitely are as far as celebrities from there, I
feel like as far as artists, it's fair to say
you're definitely the most successful artist from Tanzania.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Definitely.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I saw you getting your recent plaque from YouTube for
having ten over ten million subscribers.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, like that's made the first subran African artists to
have that. So like I'm the most subscribed African artists
on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I mean that's amazing. How do you think we got here?
Because I know, just from reading your history of how
you came up, sometimes people will think, oh, he was
born rich. They see what you have now they see
you on TV. But do people will think that because
you know, there are people that have been born into
this wealth and they've been able to kind of fund
their careers. But that's not your story.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yes, I grew up in tandallei tan Dalley's one of
the poor and slam area in the Rustlam, Tanzania, and
I was just raised with my mom a single mother.
Fortunately my father abandoned me when I was yeah kid,
so just my mom took all the duty to raise me.
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And I loved my mom so much. I like to you,
I can say, I'm mama boy.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
You did her proud?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah yeah yeah love my mom My mom likes my mom.
It's my mom my mom my mom my mom my
mom positively. So like when I was young, I used
to love music so much. I remember when I was
on primary school and then started to sing back then
musicians songs and my mom used to write for me
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songs so that I can be able to go sing
to my friends at school and all that. After getting
that with my primary school, my mom told me like,
you need to focus with school now so that at
least you can have enough knowledge to to do your music,
because you know, we don't have money, so at least
if you can go to school, maybe you can change
the life. I went to school, but you know, I
couldn't stop. I couldn't stop doing music or completely. So
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I was doing you know the very I was thinking
doing it. And then after getting down with my I
ever told my mom like, I don't want to watch
your money, man, I know you love me, but I
feel like I don't see myself as a doctor. I
don't see myself as that. No, I just see myself
as a musician.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Is that what you were going to school for to
be a doctor?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
No? Just you know, you know now when your lawyer
like they want you to be like you know, you
know those those those things that you if you go
to school, like it's like a guarantee. But to me,
I was like, I feel like I want to do music.
And then I told my mom and my mom was
very supportive because I remember even back then, he used
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to took me to take me to the talent shows,
and I remember the whole clan were against that, is like,
why are you taking the kids to the talent shows?
They need to go to school and all that. After
getting down with my olive, I told my mom, I
don't want to waste your money, I don't want to
waste your time. Just let me try to do music.
It was difficult. That was two thousand and six, and
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then I couldn't afford to go to the studio. Yes,
I couldn't get any record label. So I remember my
mom gave me a gold ring. So my brother told
me let's go sell it.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Shut out to your brother, help your dreams.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, it's my DJs. Well his name is RG. So
he said, let's let's go sell it this thing so
we can be able to pay for the studio session.
And we did that and I went to record. But
you know, the first song, it's never going to hit,
like yeah, not enough experience and all that. By that
first song, like give me opportunity, like because someone heard
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my song and said, like this person, if we sign him,
I think he can do something.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
You can see the potential like this perst time. Man,
I have been the hit, but they could see yeah,
and then they probably also like you have the luck
to be a start as well.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yes, So after that, I started doing my first album. Unfortunately,
like while I was recording my first album, the guy
goes to financial problem so we couldn't continue anymore. So
I had to go back to the hold again. Started
doing different things so I can be able to provide,
like you know, my mom doesn't have anything and we
need to eat. We need to do a lot of that.
So I started, like I remember, I used to be
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a photographer. Back then, when you're a photographer, they never
used to take you serious. Nowadays when you're a photographer,
like you're a big deal, but back then you're a
photographer just like you're a loser. Really yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
You know when that's crazy. When I was in college,
I wanted to be a photographer, photographer and everything, but
it's kind of an it was back then, I don't
think so any more, kind of an expensive thing to
do because you had to actually like develop and have
the camera equipment and all of that.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
So like I started doing that then. I remember I
used to work at the petrol station field station, started
selling clothes and all that until to talk. And nine
after my first girl friend booke my heart, I went
to write a song called come on Beer. After dropping
that song, it become a hit song.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Thank her, Yes I do.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
She changed my life. Now. I used to love her
so bad, so much, And you know, when you don't
have money, you love too much. Yes, you love like
that's the only thing that you that's the only happiness
that you have. So I loved you so much and
we had like two years together and then go to
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this point, she told me, like, you know what, at
this point, I can't be with the person who can't
provide me. She told me straight like, dire, I can't.
I can't be with the person that can't provide my needs.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember I cry that day
from there I went home. I was crying the whole way,
like from there to home, I was crying, crying, crying.
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So I went to the studio. I don't know if
it was. I can't say it was the next day,
but during my healing, so I was. I was stressed.
So I went to the studio. I was recording songs.
I recorded a song. So whatever I was saying there
I didn't know. To me, I felt like I was
just writing a song. But then what I was expressing
is something that I really went through, so it become
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like something related to most people. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
And also I think there's not enough songs about men
getting their heart broken. You know how many men go
through something like that, and you don't have enough of those.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Now we do it there, but you don't want to
show that. You know the problem about men. They're trying
to act like strongly, trying to act powerful, but sometimes
we get melted.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yeah, if you can express that, sometimes you get a
lot of people because it's just nowadays on these social
media like things changed a bit, you know back then,
because you know people now on social media they want
to look happy.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, they want to show the best.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah, yeah, the best. So people that can love have
broken songs, but then they can be just listening to
them in the room they were on a show. They
only have broken song. People can love the most nowadays
is that when you talk about okay, you know what,
one day year, she broke my heart. But watch me,
you'll see me soon.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah. Some people will never even admit that they cried
a relationship that a woman was like, you ain't got it.
But you know, you can admit it now because things
worked out for real, you know, because sometimes if it
wouldn't have worked out, maybe that's something you might because
imagine at that time you didn't really have anybody to
talk to you about it, you know. So look, it
all makes sense now.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So like it was after that I dropped the song,
and imagine after dropping that song, I won Triple Awards
And it was the first time in my country for
artists to win the triple Award the same night. So
one artists New Artists of the Year, Song of the Year,
and R and B Song.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Of the wow.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Then after that everything changed and then she started calling me.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I bet she did. Yeah, and you have it now
you could take care of her.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
And you know I love you so much, sure, the
love of my life, but this is, you know, because
of life. And I'm like, yeah, I do understand you
the love of my life as well, but now I
mean the life mode as well. So just wait for
me until you get to the term that I can
come back to the love mode as well.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
You know, it's interesting because you also would have never
wrote that song if that would it happened, and maybe
it would have been a whole different things differently.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
You are right, You're right because you know the guy,
I mean, the label that signed me to release that song.
Before that song, I gave them different songs and they
were like na song, yeah, like stay there for a while,
and they didn't like introduce me. The day I gave
them that song and they were like, this is a song.
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And everything changed. Yeah, and after that whatever this song
and I give them, like I don't know five more
back to back have broken songs, trust because like every
time I went to the movie, Yeah, I was like,
to me, it was very easy because I was just
expressing thing that I went through and it was easy
for me to write. It was easy for me. And like,
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I drop a song and you see the comments people, oh,
listening to this song, I'm crying, you know, like what
are you crying? Like? Are you understanding that? Were? And
I used to you see when I used to write
my heartbroken songs. I used to cry as well. Yeah,
trust me, I used to cry while I'm writing.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
My song because it came from a real place.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah. Yeah, so and that's give me solely fun base. Yeah,
because the more this goes, music change and the generation
change and you have to tap to all the generation.
It's all the generation, but just all the vibes. Yes,
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Like and back home in Africa, like we have different
type of vibes. We have the bongo flavors from where
I came from with aphrobits, we have I'm a piano,
we have roomba. How we have like my coursut, we
have a lot of songs.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah everything. Let me ask you this, did now I
know you said that you didn't know your your father
didn't help raise you. Did he try to reach out
to you after all of this happened.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, yeah, you know that's how how it is.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Like.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Then after that, started doing a lot of interviews and
all that. And what's so funny is that you see
like after I mean, he started doing a lot of
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interviews right like oh this myssan and this myssan that
you know how things can be like and I was like, okay, cool,
and I tried to settle things up and started to
help him and all that. And then but you know
how sometimes press can be right, yeah, to tip him
and all that, so I can he can be doing
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things that I don't even want him to do. It's like, like,
why are you doing this? And also he wanted to
get the same priority like my mom gets, which it
was difficult because when it comes to my mom, it's natural.
It comes to me natural. It's not like I'm forcing
to do it, but to him, I was forcing myself
to do it.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah, I was. I just wanted to tell a responsibility
and that's something that you necessarily were like happy to do,
but more like you felt like you should do it. Yes.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
And you know bad thing is I used to love
him so much, so when you got to a point
that I had to agree that he doesn't like me,
so I think I went through a huge hybrid, like
I felt so bad. So then after everything, and I
remember there was this time because that he was sick
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and I went to his house spoke to him. I
was trying so much like to be in his life
before that, and he was like nah, and I remember
this day I went there and they didn't give me
attention him and his family. And then this is what
I told him. I was like, you know what, I've
been here, always trying to come to your life. And
I kind of feel like I can't feel the verb
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that you don't like me, you don't want me, But
you know what, I'll go find my stuff as well,
because he never been there in my life, not at all.
And I said like, you know what, I'll go find
my own thing. Right then after that, I did, and
they called me and remind me the same story, the
same sentence, say like you remember you told me this
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and that I said, yeah, that's how I feels. Then
he got to a point now and started to do
different interviews. Causes said like I'm giving my mom too
much priority and all that, and I was like this
not that way.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Right, she deserves it. Yeah, And you went to you
could do whatever you want.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
And then now the crazy part and the crazy story.
The craziest story is that after sometimes I came to
find out like he was on my real dad.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
What yeah, so he made that up.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Like in your life was a lot of surprises.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Oh your mom wasn't did it? Or she thought he was.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Or and crazy? You look me like what but he
was that way? So you see, this is how it was.
So I knew him as my dad and that's what
I knew, and that's what my mom thought. Okay, then,
but he was I kind of feel like I think
his mom who was supposed to be my granny and
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never wanted me. So I was trying. My mom was
really trying. I think my mom loved him so much.
She loved him so much, and at that time my
mom as well, thought that's my dad. And then after
some times I remember the how she was like nah,
he was like no, no, no, no, it was I
really tried, and I knew that was my dad and
used to come home because they were not staying together
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with my mom, right was staying they were separately separated, right,
He used to come home and or there. I used
sometime to go to his house and it was like
giving me like you know, like you know, a person
can act like he's your dad, but I didn't feel. No,
I don't think if he knew that. I don't think
if he knew that as well. Maybe his mom knew,
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but you know, sometimes grandmothers can understand if this is
our kid or not our kid trust me. So I
don't know, because there were a lot of things that
like his mother never wanted my mom. I don't understand
why is mother's my mom? And when I used to
go there, they never give me the same positive energy.
So I was like, why am I first saying so much?
So there was this day I was at home, sitting stressed, starving,
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and I was there with my auntie, like my mom's
young sister. Yeah, my mom's sister. So I was there
and then my auntie called me and they were like
because other day I was just talking about my dad,
my dad, And I was like, you keep talking about
your dad, your dad, your dad? Where's he? What did
he bring youre? Have you eaten? Now? No? Do you
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go to school? But are you go? There's school fees
and all that.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Did you do that?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
So to stop talking about your dad? My dad because
I used to love him so much. So there was
this day I was just chilling, stressed home and you
don't like and I have nothing to eat and all that.
And then my auntie, who is I Jay's mother, my brother,
who told me to go sell my ring right, yeah,
because he's my cousin. His mom and my mom are sisters.
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So then she told me, like, that's my Auntie said like,
you know what, there's this guy called Salem. I have
a feeling that's your dad. Oh wow, that's how he started.
I was like, what do you mean. I said, like,
I direct you go somewhere. Don't tell your mom, just
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go somewhere. Just go there and say that I'm looking
for my dad. He used to work at the market.
Say that I'm looking for my dad. If you find him,
tell him that I'm Sandra's son and I came here
to look for you. And I did. I went there,
so I met him the first time. I was like,
you know, when you used to another person.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
You've been thinking this.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
My dad and I used to work at the market,
you know, like you know there's local market and my
other dad used to have a good life. I was like,
so is this my dad? Now, but I went there.
He embraced me, and I remember it gave me my
I don't know if it was one dollar. It's not
one dollar, but it was just give me something, give
me money and give me rice because I used to sell.
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He was a wholesaler. It was a rice wholesaler. So
he gave me rice and I went back home. So
that was the first time experienced like a dad give
me money. So I was super happy. And it wasn't
that far from home. So then I started going there
every like every day or every week. Then after that
for me to go there, he mixed him and my
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mom to start getting back together, you see that. Then
after that they took me. They said, okay, let me
let me because my mom was like, so my mom
and he was. She was like, no, I want to
know you that Andrews. This must be that. And my
mom was like, no, that's not his dad, but you
know WHI let's just go with the floor. Then I
went to They took me to see my brothers and
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sisters like from him. We went there and when I
went to see my brothers, I'm like, I look like
like we look I like so much and I farid
the vibe because my other dad had a daughter. But
most of the time when I used to go there,
she never used to give me the vibe. Right, But
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when I went to this one.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
You fet the band, what I felt like, this is home.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
And from there I started go to his family. But
he because he had three kids, and those three kids
used to stay with his mother.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Which is my granny.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
So my grandy was staying separate for my dad. So
then I used to go there. I started like going there,
started going there every time every time. But then now
I started being confused, like, so who is my dad?
It is my dad or my dad? Are you getting
the point? And then imagine that even before me studying
being musician officially, so then I was like, okay, okay,
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but to me, are you still loving the other dad,
you know, the new one? But then, but I loved
his family, and then he got sometimes after a while,
like after a year or two years that who is
my real dad? He died and the other one, the
first one, who is all my dad, remained, so I
had only the family and the other person, who is
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I thought was my dad. So then but this other side,
they used to give me the proper vibe. And all
that and all that. Then I started doing music and
all that. So from out of nowhere. But the more
the more I grew up, the more I grew up
and everything is, the more I started noticing like these
are my siblings, these are my family. The other one
is not. So there was this day because even my
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real dad, the one that I was telling you, because
I was when I used to go there, I was
in the old I was still young as well. So
then there was this day. I started asking my other
brothers like, can you please give me my late dad pictures?
I studied, so I was saying, O the pictures and
if I look at the pictures, I see If I
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look at my brother, if I show you my brother picture,
we look like even when we talk, we talk everything.
So then the more days goes and there is there
called my mom. This is because now after I become
famous and all that everything. But remember I took the
other dad sister and the other that the late dad family,
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bring all them together. Wow yeah, because I didn't know
at that point, I was like I didn't know who
is So I brought all them together into my empire
whoever can do whatever. They were the other one's position,
another one was just presenter. I was like, like the
whole family. To me, I was like, you know what,
at the end of the day, I know nothing about it.
Let me take all them together. But then I started
doing my own research to understand, like who, so which
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one is my what is my room? And then I
noticed that the new one my family look at if
I show the picture and the trust me, it is
like everything. Then there's this day. I called my mom.
I'm like, mam, come look at these pictures. This is
man like that the one of the new one who's
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now passed away ready, and this is the old one.
From a point of view. If you look at this,
who do you think is my dad? And she was
also like, I think you guys look at like this.
So it was that way, and to me, I did
my conclusion. You know, like this is my dad if
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I show the picture, and if you see the picture
of him and my kids look at totally completely right,
so you can tell. So after that, and imagine at
that point, my other dad who abandoned me, was doing interview,
crazy interviews, talking negative about me while I was taking
care of it.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
That's wild.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
You go to this point, I went to the radio
station and he was talking negative things like you know what, guys,
by the way, he's not my dad. We like what.
I was like, it's not my dad. Have all the
proof and everything. And then I went to post the
picture of me and my red dad and everything, and
I took my other brothers, Well, we want to do
tests and everything. You yeah, okay, yeah, because you know,
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can't go to the interview and say that if you
don't have the.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Poo you need to know for sure.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
So when but now we're cool me and even that
he's still alive and it was too cool. Check it.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
That's a wold situation. That's the thing about these DNA tests.
Now you find out you know who your family is,
who it isn't. How does that affect you when you
think about your kids too, and being like the father
that you are and being present in all your kids'
lives the way that you are.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Well, first of all, I know I do have I
have kids, but I also know other some I know
my kids what yeah, but I don't want to argue
either mother and or whatever. But I take care all
of them.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
But you have five right that we the kids? Okay,
four to.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Five five four five. You know, as I say, like
these things sometimes it can get crazy, right, and I
take care of all of them. I really try my
level best to make sure that I take good care
of them. But sometimes you can just tell like, trust me,
why not find out then yeah, I went, I didn't
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wander your name in Tanzania.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
And so you know already okay, complicated, trust me, you know,
because I know even on the show seeing you co
parenting that was even tough. That's hard, like when you
know the parents are necessarily meshing and then being to
have access, you know, to your kids. But that's a lot.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah, you know before before you know, it took sometimes
for a person to be mature to understand like if
you have maybe some misunderstanding with the mother of your kids,
to understand how to control it. So I remember back
then when it started like that, when I had my
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first daughter and son, and then me and the mother
of my kids misunderstanding, and then after that we separated,
and it was a very tough moment because I I
was so used to my daughter and all that. I remember,
she was my first kid, and you know, when you
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got separate, these something people don't understand, like when most
of the time like it, like it's more wise anymore
makes sense if you separate with your the mother of
your kids, to let the kids stay with their mother
because no matter how much you love your kids, there's
no you can take a good care of them than
their mothers can do any trust me, no matter how
much you have to be awful for you to be,
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you need to let them stay with their mothers because mothers,
I understand how no matter how much you guys, maybe
you don't talk to each other, you have problems, so
someone you when they stay together, sometimes as you understand,
it happens as well. Sometimes also they can you know,
sometimes they can use that as a weapon sometimes, you know,
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to get your attention. So you need to understand how
to control them. If you're stupid, maybe you can end
up fight the mothers your kids. Why you just need
to understand them. To me, I feel like women you
need to understand them as they are any the human
being they're not like as men. You don't men. No
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matter the case, you can stay quiet or if even
if I have a problem with someone that can maybe
I cannot say that I cannot show that. But you know,
imagine a woman who is the mother of your kids,
and she stays with your kids, and even if you
guys separated. Sometimes as a human being, of course she
can be missing you. She can't tell you like I
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miss you, but she can do something that you need
to understand, like she doesn't mean like to disrespect you,
but she needs your attention, right, So it needs it
needs a wise man, a proper matured man to understand that.
So that's how you see other people that fight and
all that. But to me, I think when I started
it was just a little bit. Then I realized that
(26:35):
when they do this, it's not like they don't like
you nobody, they like you too much. Maybe they feel
like they want you, guys, to solve things so that
you can.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Maybe have another baby.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you see. So you just
need to take it positively.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
So to me, that's a good way to look at it,
like she's doing this not because it's because she does
want some attention.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yes, positively, and you know she can't, you know she can't.
That's a human beings, you know, Oh ladies, sometimes they
can have egos, so you have to understand like they
don't they're gonna just keep calling you. You want them
to be calling you and debate you. No, no, no,
they can do something to your kids, But you need
to understand the positivity of it.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
What about when she moves on and you have to
deal with that? How do you handle that? Because we
can talk about how women are, but how is it
for a man, like, how is it seeing the mother
of your kids moving on with somebody, and especially if
it's somebody you know and like somebody that you would
cool with.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
I'll tell you this, all those steps are very sweet
if you understand them. You see, if the mother of
your kids moves on, it's more better because now she
become your friend. Because now if she really moves on,
there's no way she can give you.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
A guilt trip.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah ye yeah yeah, you see. So she would treat
you as a brother. She would teach you as this
is the father of my kids, Yanny. I wish people
could understand, you know, I have like Zari, she's the
mother of my and she's married now and we are
so cool. You anyway, are very cool.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
I'm glad you got to that point.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Very cool. You see, when we talk about the keys
and everything like it just needs as a mind you
know the problem. But man, sometimes I understand if you
if you separate with someone, you still want them to
be just on your cycle. It doesn't work that.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Way if you don't want to be you had to learn.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, it was difficult. I don't want to lie to you.
It's difficult to be fun to understand.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
That's growth.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Yeah. So if imagine you don't want to be with her,
and how do you expect her to be. She needs
to move on, she needs to be with someone else,
and you need to take that positively.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Yeah, because sometimes guys don't want you to be with Yeah,
they don't want to be with you, but they don't
want to see you.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
That's the problem. That's the biggest a problem that we have.
So it takes it takes a lot for a person
to understand that, the person to take it. I'm glad
I am that person. Me, I am very cool.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Oh my big Mama's okay.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
They love me. I don't want to to you and
like I'm the good person to them. A minute. It
got to a point sometimes their men they get mad
at me. They get mad at them thinking maybe we
have something. No, we do have something. We got nothing
going on. Just we decided to make you could definitely,
but that's why. No, no, no, it's not that way.
(29:25):
It's not that way. It's not that way. But you know,
if a minute, if you can be cool with the
mother of your kids, no matter the constances, right, he
makes her look at you differently. Even if you have
your wife, if you have your mind, if you if
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you have your gear friend, if you have whatever, you've
moved on, but the mother of your kids will look
at you in a very positive eye. You get the win.
So it doesn't mean that it gives you a chance.
If you want to hit you can hit it. But
you know, people who had something, trust me, if they
want to do somethings very easy for them to do,
no matter how much the one person moved on already,
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trust me.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Oh listen, you got a lot going are you in
the middle of filming season four? Also in the midst
of all this, so you are back on season four?
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah, you know, I do feel like on that show
you were definitely because you've been on all three seasons already.
You know, I feel like it would be a big,
you know, whole if you weren't there anymore, just because
of all the and I know you've said before this
is TV, so you also understand, like you said that
it has to be some type of excitement. Do you
(30:39):
feel like there's things that you've done that you're like
that doesn't really kind of represent who I am now?
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Ah, Honestly, it's very tricky. But to me, I want
people to understand that what if I'm doing there non
to the case. Just I want to entertain. Then I
want people to feel good. I want people to look
at it to understand, like in life there's those types
of people as well. Yeah, like you know, mean when
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I do that show, I'm not trying to pretend I'm
trying to give people to understand that there's other people
like this as well.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, you have some great one liners, you see.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
So I want people to the Yeah, I want them
to take you positively, to understand. And if I don't
like something I say, if I love something and say,
I don't want to lie. I don't want to look
like I'm pretending and if I'm not lying to you.
I've never watched none of the show.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I've never watched Oh really.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah, I'm afraid of forcing them because I don't want
to control myself.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Okay, okay, So now I got to ask for you
and Fantana stand because we've seen all this news out
and you guys have you know, it felt like this
was going somewhere. That was your girlfriend on the show,
but clearly now. So she put up a post also
saying that you'll never forget her or something like that.
(31:58):
But where do you guys stand at.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Me and me and fantiam is very cool?
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Are you really?
Speaker 2 (32:04):
What do you mean when you asked that we're very cool?
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Okay, so we're very cool?
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Cool?
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yeah? What is cool mean?
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Like cool? Mm hmmm uh?
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Because look the thing is, and I know we talked
about this, you know before the show started, but Zushi
was your artist. She put out amazing songs. Just now
we saw you guys on the Fast Time, Amanda, Yes,
and so people were thinking that she caught you, you know,
somebody was calling you in the middle of the night.
Turns out it was great promo for the song is
amazing by the way, Yes, Amanda, and so that's what
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that was. But you know, throughout the show you were asked,
are you guys dating? And you were like, no, that
is not my girlfriend, that's my artist.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
So you know, at the show there I was, I
was after someone help. Would I say yes? If I
say yes, day, it would have been imagined. You know,
if this is this, this is what I'm saying, like
on that show, I'm trying to show people how people are,
how really human being are. Like I was there with Fantana.
(33:07):
I was cheating, not but yeah, I was cheating there.
And then how would you expect me to agree that, yeah,
I have someone back home? That's when she asked me.
I said, like, you know, that's my artist, because that's
I had to lie. I live there, right, you from
from we're both from Tanzania. Yes we are together. But
(33:30):
when Fantana asked me about it, how would I say no,
I was there, you know I was.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I had to lie.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
You know, sometimes you need to have sweet talk. If
you say like, yeah, that's my girlfriend. Yeah, she would get.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Mad graduated you lied like yeah, I was about because.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Unless otherwise I've lost her. So I had to lie
at this. She was like oh no, no, she I said.
I know she's been artists, she's not my girlfriend and
all that that's how life is.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Did she start off as just your artists and then
become your girlfriend or wish you your girlfriend when she
was your artist, because I know she worked under you
for years, kind of just developing into the artist she
is now. But was that something that like you guys
were dating first or you ended up dating.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
No, she was my artist and started, like the feelings started,
like you know, generating slowly, slowly, slowly. We just found
ourselves in love and something is very beautiful.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
I don't like And it's nice being from the same
place too. There's a certain type of understanding.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
That you forgot about it. It's just sometimes when you
go to a show together and you're all stressed because
she's busy, she want to do a NANCE performance and
you also want to do the Nance performance, so you
don't know who can help who. And after getting down
with the shoulder and you guys get back to the hotel,
there's no one to massage another. You all knocked down.
(34:53):
But it's a very beautiful moments, beautiful experience, and yeah,
I love first. I love that for you.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Is she going to be on the new season?
Speaker 2 (35:03):
They've been asking her to be in this, but no,
I've been saying.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
No, Okay, does she want to?
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Nah?
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Sure that doesn't want Okay? All right? Well, then that's fair.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
They've been asking me to have Zuchu in the show.
But you know, I'll tell you why. And this is
what I told her so and I told him as well.
If I'm going to have Zuchu in the show, then
there's something that I'm doing on the show, be able
to do like what like I'm gonna have to behave
and to be like very yeah that's the fact. Okay,
(35:37):
if she's in the show, then I must be fully committed.
I won't be able to entertain people. So that's why
I wanted my life to be out of the Realty
show and there to have something different.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
You're like the Tanzanian future.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
No, no, no, no, I don't know, like in terms
of musically, yeah, yeah, let's say that. You see, it's
like in this you know, I'll tell you the truth.
When we started to do a show, like you know,
that's where it came from. That's that was where me
(36:16):
and Zary we came from the breakup and all that.
So when we started to do a show, we were
almost getting back together. Trust me, right when we started
to do that show, because that time, I was no
dating suit you So then we were me and Zero's
we were almost getting back together, and then I thought
(36:37):
about it, and I said, like, if you're going to
get back together, that means that I'm not going to
be able to entertain people in this show because I'm
going to.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Have to behave Okay, So I understand what you're saying.
So as the playboy character that you're playing on the show,
which you said before, it's hard to be able to
do that, to have a person, Yeah, because I did
feel like you guys might have. It felt like y'all
were having these conversations and the thing about doing more.
It definitely felt like she wanted to get back together
with you, even though she may have denied it. Yeah,
(37:05):
you know at the time, but I felt the vibe
from you too, you know, like you said, and so yeah,
and but what's wrong with behaving like there? Because I
do think from season one up to season four you
could have turned into somebody that now behaves.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah, and you know, you know, like to for me
to be able to be that, it needs me to
be singing there. Trust me. If I have a person
that I just see as person that I have, like
if you I have zoos in the show, do not
expect me to entertaine. Now you're going to see all
vacations you see us maybe celebration you see as a
(37:45):
baby shower is like you know, because that's how it's
supposed to be done, right, Because that's now to me,
it's a real life.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
I can say you're having a spin off. Maybe would
you do that? Like how like your own show with
your own Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Yeah, in that conversation right now, Okay, I can see that, yeah,
in that conversation.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Because you also have this empire of a business as well, right,
you have artists underneath you. Now I was reading somewhere.
I know you have one jet? Do you have two? Now? Okay,
because somebody was saying you have two? Okay, just one?
One's good?
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Yeah, yeah, it's good for starting it's not bad.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
And you have the record label.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
You have a television station.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah, I have radio stations. My radio is number one.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Okay, that's what.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
I'm saying, East and Central.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
What is the process like of having your own radio station?
And how did you even say that was something you
wanted to do?
Speaker 2 (38:39):
So this is how it started, Like when I started
doing so good in my music, and as you know,
like if you do good like you have to work
with different people like and back home to me, I
can see what made me who I am today, apartform
being a good musician, but to be able to deal
with different characters, to do it everybody, to support everybody.
(39:02):
I respect everybody. I'm that type of person. And then
but you know how industry can be. It go to
a point that the industry wanted to to to f
me up, and then almost all the powerful media start
playing my music, and that's where I started my own media.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Listens happened to you for a reason.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah, so it was there. I was like and for
no good reasons.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Just like me, when things happened, you figure out a
different way.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah definitely. So when when that happened,
I really tried to because me, I'm a corporate person,
like I can deal with and I love giving to
me like I can deal with everybody, and I don't
have a problem with people. I don't fight with people.
I'm a very cool person, you know me, I'm just
(39:53):
very cool person. But then it's like human being. Sometimes
they're don't satisfying. If you give them this you want,
they still one they stee one they want and want.
So then they try to end my career. Then after
they wanted to do that, I was like, okay, wait,
and then I started my record label apart from wanted
(40:14):
to do that since but then I started my my
record label. So that and then when they asked me,
and I remember there was this media who was the
powerful that time, powerful media who started playing my music.
But they had me on interview and they say, like,
what the reason? What was the point of you studying
having a record label, as I like, apart from empowering
(40:34):
the youth. But then I understand that this campaign going on,
people want to shut me down. But now I'm trying
to show them that I can have more than me,
more me and they can never shut none of them down, right,
So not only me. It's like I wanted to show
them that I have the power that I can is.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
An army of you.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Yes, if it's not only me that the power that
I have, I can even have more five artists. I
can carry them and nobody can shut them down. So
after that, you go to a point and say, like,
you know what, let me start a radio station. And
I started a radio station, started radio station. Of course,
it's a big process, you understand, you get the license
(41:12):
to for the government to trust you and all that.
It takes a lot. And I was new and trust
me and started from this crash, from the logo and everything.
And then what I did. I send the letter to
those media who were not playing my music and they're
acting like they're not they're playing my music, and I
send them letter like, do not to play my music from.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Now officially you only could hear it if you come then.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
And then our boat I signed against it, I can sign.
I signed all the powerful presenters. I took them to
my media.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Wow you are let me tell you some diabolical.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
So like the whole and I had public simple so
like everybody the old eyes was on us, like what
is called? So everybody started watching with Safi and I've
got all the powerful presenters, and then we started doing
a lot of dramas so that we have a lot
of things to talk about and other media they can't
(42:14):
talk about that. And to me, you have a record label,
I have a lot of things, a lot of powerful artists.
So they're all doing different dramas in a way that
if your media doesn't talk about it, it looks old. Yeah,
why you don't talk about it, so like the whole
country want to hear about our stories and you can't
talk about us students. That's why I knew after that
they would want to talk about this, So that's why
I give them the letter like do not officially.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
That's how how is it for you in Tanzania now?
Speaker 2 (42:39):
And now it's cool? Like now it's cool now I
talk to old media, But.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
I mean, how is it like when you go out?
Can you just go outside? And you can't even just
do that?
Speaker 2 (42:49):
I need to trust me for me to to go out,
it needs to me to have no less than tense securities.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Right ten. Yeah, I've seen even just internationally places and
seeing how people are going crazy for you.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Their love. Their love is amazing and I think because
they know my story from where I came from and
they're not dishamble. I can't say I'm there, but I'm
trying to inspire all that and I'm I want to
get somewhere and people see that I'm working so hard.
I'm trying to do a lot so they can get there,
(43:22):
and people take me as the inspiration. So if a
person come trying to attach my image or to do
something negative, they hate it and they support me. They
love me so much. Just with the time you post me.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
You see what is how important is the US market
for you? Because it feels like you're so successful and
I know sometimes we can be really last here to
catch on to certain things like as.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Music. To me, it's like it's like a storytelling, right,
expressing my feelings. And I will love the world to
see like there's different flavors, there's different options, there's different
things for them to experience. So I would love people
(44:10):
to know that God have blessed this world with different talents.
So I would love them to know my capability as artists,
love them to know my music. But apart from that
music as well as.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Business, right, you think reality TV has done a lot
for you too, as far as just even having people
want to tune in to hear the music, because I
feel like they don't necessarily showcase that so much. Yeah
on there and maybe that's something that they should do.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Yeah they should do. Yeah, Yeah, I think they don't.
They don't show that so much. And at the beginning,
and then maybe because they wanted they didn't want people
to lose their focus, okay, trying to portray but I
think this new season will have a lot of things
that people needs to understand, because I remember there was
this I had a show in Portugal and someone I
(45:00):
think there's a fan from the show. I mean he
saw the video I was dancing and I was like, oh,
so this guy can dance, so he's he's the real musicians.
It was that way. Honestly, this show give me a
lot of new fans. I don't want to like to
you like a lot of I've gained big fan base
from that as well. And as I said, the more
(45:21):
this goes, the more I keep trying to because you know,
I started from tan Dalley even to Tanzania when the
whole Africa, when the whole Africa, and I goes to
the whole world. So it's a step. And the more
Days goes, the more THLS opens and opens. Imagine now
I'm here.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Yeah I am. Now I'm happy that you're here too.
I mean that's why I know, like Swinky Jerry and everything,
just from watching that show. When the season four start
and what's happening now while you guys are filming.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
I'm not allowed to say that nothing, but hopefully soon Okay,
people should expect that soon and I'm excited. And trust me,
most of the time, when the show comes out.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
I go through a lot of things, but you don't
even watch it, so you.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Have yeah, like home because I don't watch by home,
they watched and I remember those. This day, my daughter
asked me and she said, like, so, why you're in
the show with Fontana and not my mom?
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Mmm.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
I was like, princess, it's a show. No, what do
you have to kiss up? It's like, no, I wasn't
kissing her. Well, it was just a peck. Like most
mostly when the show comes out, like it brings a lot,
but oh it's it's the career. It's a job. That's
(46:40):
how you got to do so that we can bring
the bread back home.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
No, I think it's great. Also just because I love
to watch the fashion. I like to see all of
all of those things. On the last episode of the
last season, you came out there bold, you have the
kilt on, and that's always like a you know, but
it looks good, Like you said, you got to have
the confidence to be able to be like yeah, and
you know, to do.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
Something like that as well. I remember it was like
I was playing like you know, of course, sometimes other
people that may take it differently. They may take you
a total different persons. But I'm glad people love what
I'm what I did in the show, and I want
to thank them so much. Young and Famous has become
one of the right move for me to do. And
(47:24):
I've got a lot of more to offer to you.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
Where's the new album coming, because I've read that it's
going to be your most personal.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
I'm working on that now and I've got a lot
of songs and a con wait, I'm super excited. A
different sounds, different sounds of course, African sounds is going
to be there. I have Bungo flavoring there. There's this
sounds called Singly, so new sound from Africa. It's crazy.
If you get time, just go type singly. Okay, you
see the video creeps crazy sound.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
You've already been going crazy on TikTok with the song
that you have and now I love it.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
Yeah that one, Yeah, so be my piano like down
song Down, going to have like aphrobds. I've done a
lot of songs with people from here as well. Yeah,
different artists from here.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
Yeah, sounds, but I think Neo.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
I've done a song with Neo Alicia key Sha Keys
as well. I was an als album featured me, yep
with Ricky Roles as well, Marion, I have song even
the last White album, he featured me. We have a
song in whit album as well. And I still got
more songs with different just like an Elite Chop. I
(48:33):
have a song together featured in his song as well.
Song out yet song with Swelly.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
Oh wow, okay, yeah, working something with Sierra. Oh, you're
gonna do something with Sierra. Those visuals are going to
be crazy crazy. Yeah, I can wait to see it.
You said, what.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Here to show the music video?
Speaker 1 (48:54):
Okay, I guess we've got a little spoiler I need
to see on the shows. By the way, I did
see some of this.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Yeah, they're gonna have to put a lot of them now,
trust me, because there's been a lot of relationship and
all that. So we need to change the narrative a
little bit so that people can see what we have.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Been blessed with and what what made you decide now
was the time to get married.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
I can say it's just it just came. Liken say, like,
I don't think if you you plan those things, it
just happened, and you feel like you know what, Yeah,
I need to do this. That's what happened. Okay, I
feel like and it was just like you from for
me and and for from where I came from and
(49:35):
from my religion. It does you don't, It doesn't need
you to complicate. Took me, my wife went to share.
We got married, and I called my mom. I said, like,
mama married what Yeah? So it was just that way.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
She didn't get heads up, like.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
I think. There's a lot of things comes Okay, trust me, I'm.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Gonna be watching. You should watch.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
Well.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
Thank you so much for joining us. We were really
excited to have you. I'm glad that you were able
to make it here. When they said you were coming
to the show, we said absolutely.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
And I can tell this has been the best interview
really done in this country.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
Oh my gosh, I'm so glad to hear that you
have an amazing, amazing story, and so I appreciate you
for trusting us to sit here and even tell me
so much. God bless you more and more and more,
and God bless you to thank you so much.
What's up its way up with Angela. Yeah, and I
am not as way up as this guy. Diamond Platinums
is here with us. Thank you for joining us today.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
It's my pleasure to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
You are truly a multi hyphen it though, because you
have so many amazing things happening, you know, just from
the music, from being a business owner, CEO of a label,
you know, starring on a hit Netflix series, I mean Young,
Famous and African. I started watching that just because it
popped up on my Netflix as things that I should
watch and I was drawn in immediately. So and I
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think your character, I don't want to say character because
this is supposed to be a reality show, but you
on there, you're definitely entertaining.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeah, and that's what I wanted to do. It's like
it won't be in the show then you're just borrying person.
It doesn't look good to you to the viewers, like
you have to leave the legs, have to leave the mark.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
You know. It's interesting because I see like so many
breakdowns on YouTube of people trying to analyze.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
You and so other people take you positively about trying
to take your negative. At that end of the day,
it's about I want people to be entertained. I want
people to feel happy. You know, life is it's too short,
so I want people to to be entertained.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Well, you're from Tanzania.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I'm from Tanzania and.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
You definitely are as far as celebrities from there, I
feel like as far as artists, it's fair to say
you're definitely the most successful artist from Tanzania.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Definitely.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I saw you getting your recent plaque from YouTube for
having ten over ten million subscribers.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, like that's made the first subran African artists to
have that. So like I'm the most subscribed African artists
on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I mean that's amazing. How do you think we got here?
Because I know, just from reading your history of how
you came up, sometimes people will think, oh, he was
born rich. They see what you have now they see
you on TV. But do people will think that because
you know, there are people that have been born into
this wealth and they've been able to kind of fund
their careers. But that's not your story.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yes, I grew up in tandallei tan Dalley's one of
the poor and slam area in the Rustlam, Tanzania, and
I was just raised with my mom a single mother.
Fortunately my father abandoned me when I was yeah kid,
so just my mom took all the duty to raise me.
(02:27):
And I loved my mom so much. I like to you,
I can say, I'm mama boy.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
You did her proud?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah yeah yeah love my mom My mom likes my mom.
It's my mom my mom my mom my mom my
mom positively. So like when I was young, I used
to love music so much. I remember when I was
on primary school and then started to sing back then
musicians songs and my mom used to write for me
(02:54):
songs so that I can be able to go sing
to my friends at school and all that. After getting
that with my primary school, my mom told me like,
you need to focus with school now so that at
least you can have enough knowledge to to do your music,
because you know, we don't have money, so at least
if you can go to school, maybe you can change
the life. I went to school, but you know, I
couldn't stop. I couldn't stop doing music or completely. So
(03:16):
I was doing you know the very I was thinking
doing it. And then after getting down with my I
ever told my mom like, I don't want to watch
your money, man, I know you love me, but I
feel like I don't see myself as a doctor. I
don't see myself as that. No, I just see myself
as a musician.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Is that what you were going to school for to
be a doctor?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
No? Just you know, you know now when your lawyer
like they want you to be like you know, you
know those those those things that you if you go
to school, like it's like a guarantee. But to me,
I was like, I feel like I want to do music.
And then I told my mom and my mom was
very supportive because I remember even back then, he used
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to took me to take me to the talent shows,
and I remember the whole clan were against that, is like,
why are you taking the kids to the talent shows?
They need to go to school and all that. After
getting down with my olive, I told my mom, I
don't want to waste your money, I don't want to
waste your time. Just let me try to do music.
It was difficult. That was two thousand and six, and
(04:14):
then I couldn't afford to go to the studio. Yes,
I couldn't get any record label. So I remember my
mom gave me a gold ring. So my brother told
me let's go sell it.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Shut out to your brother, help your dreams.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, it's my DJs. Well his name is RG. So
he said, let's let's go sell it this thing so
we can be able to pay for the studio session.
And we did that and I went to record. But
you know, the first song, it's never going to hit,
like yeah, not enough experience and all that. By that
first song, like give me opportunity, like because someone heard
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my song and said, like this person, if we sign him,
I think he can do something.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
You can see the potential like this perst time. Man,
I have been the hit, but they could see yeah,
and then they probably also like you have the luck
to be a start as well.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yes, So after that, I started doing my first album. Unfortunately,
like while I was recording my first album, the guy
goes to financial problem so we couldn't continue anymore. So
I had to go back to the hold again. Started
doing different things so I can be able to provide,
like you know, my mom doesn't have anything and we
need to eat. We need to do a lot of that.
So I started, like I remember, I used to be
(05:23):
a photographer. Back then, when you're a photographer, they never
used to take you serious. Nowadays when you're a photographer,
like you're a big deal, but back then you're a
photographer just like you're a loser. Really yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
You know when that's crazy. When I was in college,
I wanted to be a photographer, photographer and everything, but
it's kind of an it was back then, I don't
think so any more, kind of an expensive thing to
do because you had to actually like develop and have
the camera equipment and all of that.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
So like I started doing that then. I remember I
used to work at the petrol station field station, started
selling clothes and all that until to talk. And nine
after my first girl friend booke my heart, I went
to write a song called come on Beer. After dropping
that song, it become a hit song.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Thank her, Yes I do.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
She changed my life. Now. I used to love her
so bad, so much, And you know, when you don't
have money, you love too much. Yes, you love like
that's the only thing that you that's the only happiness
that you have. So I loved you so much and
we had like two years together and then go to
(06:33):
this point, she told me, like, you know what, at
this point, I can't be with the person who can't
provide me. She told me straight like, dire, I can't.
I can't be with the person that can't provide my needs.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember I cry that day
from there I went home. I was crying the whole way,
like from there to home, I was crying, crying, crying.
(06:55):
So I went to the studio. I don't know if
it was. I can't say it was the next day,
but during my healing, so I was. I was stressed.
So I went to the studio. I was recording songs.
I recorded a song. So whatever I was saying there
I didn't know. To me, I felt like I was
just writing a song. But then what I was expressing
is something that I really went through, so it become
(07:17):
like something related to most people. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
And also I think there's not enough songs about men
getting their heart broken. You know how many men go
through something like that, and you don't have enough of those.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Now we do it there, but you don't want to
show that. You know the problem about men. They're trying
to act like strongly, trying to act powerful, but sometimes
we get melted.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yeah, if you can express that, sometimes you get a
lot of people because it's just nowadays on these social
media like things changed a bit, you know back then,
because you know people now on social media they want
to look happy.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, they want to show the best.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah, yeah, the best. So people that can love have
broken songs, but then they can be just listening to
them in the room they were on a show. They
only have broken song. People can love the most nowadays
is that when you talk about okay, you know what,
one day year, she broke my heart. But watch me,
you'll see me soon.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah. Some people will never even admit that they cried
a relationship that a woman was like, you ain't got it.
But you know, you can admit it now because things
worked out for real, you know, because sometimes if it
wouldn't have worked out, maybe that's something you might because
imagine at that time you didn't really have anybody to
talk to you about it, you know. So look, it
all makes sense now.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So like it was after that I dropped the song,
and imagine after dropping that song, I won Triple Awards
And it was the first time in my country for
artists to win the triple Award the same night. So
one artists New Artists of the Year, Song of the Year,
and R and B Song.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Of the wow.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Then after that everything changed and then she started calling me.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I bet she did. Yeah, and you have it now
you could take care of her.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
And you know I love you so much, sure, the
love of my life, but this is, you know, because
of life. And I'm like, yeah, I do understand you
the love of my life as well, but now I
mean the life mode as well. So just wait for
me until you get to the term that I can
come back to the love mode as well.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
You know, it's interesting because you also would have never
wrote that song if that would it happened, and maybe
it would have been a whole different things differently.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
You are right, You're right because you know the guy,
I mean, the label that signed me to release that song.
Before that song, I gave them different songs and they
were like na song, yeah, like stay there for a while,
and they didn't like introduce me. The day I gave
them that song and they were like, this is a song.
(09:36):
And everything changed. Yeah, and after that whatever this song
and I give them, like I don't know five more
back to back have broken songs, trust because like every
time I went to the movie, Yeah, I was like,
to me, it was very easy because I was just
expressing thing that I went through and it was easy
for me to write. It was easy for me. And like,
(09:57):
I drop a song and you see the comments people, oh,
listening to this song, I'm crying, you know, like what
are you crying? Like? Are you understanding that? Were? And
I used to you see when I used to write
my heartbroken songs. I used to cry as well. Yeah,
trust me, I used to cry while I'm writing.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
My song because it came from a real place.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah. Yeah, so and that's give me solely fun base. Yeah,
because the more this goes, music change and the generation
change and you have to tap to all the generation.
It's all the generation, but just all the vibes. Yes,
(10:35):
Like and back home in Africa, like we have different
type of vibes. We have the bongo flavors from where
I came from with aphrobits, we have I'm a piano,
we have roomba. How we have like my coursut, we
have a lot of songs.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah everything. Let me ask you this, did now I
know you said that you didn't know your your father
didn't help raise you. Did he try to reach out
to you after all of this happened.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, yeah, you know that's how how it is.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Like.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Then after that, started doing a lot of interviews and
all that. And what's so funny is that you see
like after I mean, he started doing a lot of
(11:24):
interviews right like oh this myssan and this myssan that
you know how things can be like and I was like, okay, cool,
and I tried to settle things up and started to
help him and all that. And then but you know
how sometimes press can be right, yeah, to tip him
and all that, so I can he can be doing
(11:45):
things that I don't even want him to do. It's like, like,
why are you doing this? And also he wanted to
get the same priority like my mom gets, which it
was difficult because when it comes to my mom, it's natural.
It comes to me natural. It's not like I'm forcing
to do it, but to him, I was forcing myself
to do it.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah, I was. I just wanted to tell a responsibility
and that's something that you necessarily were like happy to do,
but more like you felt like you should do it. Yes.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
And you know bad thing is I used to love
him so much, so when you got to a point
that I had to agree that he doesn't like me,
so I think I went through a huge hybrid, like
I felt so bad. So then after everything, and I
remember there was this time because that he was sick
(12:35):
and I went to his house spoke to him. I
was trying so much like to be in his life
before that, and he was like nah, and I remember
this day I went there and they didn't give me
attention him and his family. And then this is what
I told him. I was like, you know what, I've
been here, always trying to come to your life. And
I kind of feel like I can't feel the verb
(12:56):
that you don't like me, you don't want me, But
you know what, I'll go find my stuff as well,
because he never been there in my life, not at all.
And I said like, you know what, I'll go find
my own thing. Right then after that, I did, and
they called me and remind me the same story, the
same sentence, say like you remember you told me this
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and that I said, yeah, that's how I feels. Then
he got to a point now and started to do
different interviews. Causes said like I'm giving my mom too
much priority and all that, and I was like this
not that way.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Right, she deserves it. Yeah, And you went to you
could do whatever you want.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
And then now the crazy part and the crazy story.
The craziest story is that after sometimes I came to
find out like he was on my real dad.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
What yeah, so he made that up.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Like in your life was a lot of surprises.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Oh your mom wasn't did it? Or she thought he was.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Or and crazy? You look me like what but he
was that way? So you see, this is how it was.
So I knew him as my dad and that's what
I knew, and that's what my mom thought. Okay, then,
but he was I kind of feel like I think
his mom who was supposed to be my granny and
(14:19):
never wanted me. So I was trying. My mom was
really trying. I think my mom loved him so much.
She loved him so much, and at that time my
mom as well, thought that's my dad. And then after
some times I remember the how she was like nah,
he was like no, no, no, no, it was I
really tried, and I knew that was my dad and
used to come home because they were not staying together
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with my mom, right was staying they were separately separated, right,
He used to come home and or there. I used
sometime to go to his house and it was like
giving me like you know, like you know, a person
can act like he's your dad, but I didn't feel. No,
I don't think if he knew that. I don't think
if he knew that as well. Maybe his mom knew,
(15:02):
but you know, sometimes grandmothers can understand if this is
our kid or not our kid trust me. So I
don't know, because there were a lot of things that
like his mother never wanted my mom. I don't understand
why is mother's my mom? And when I used to
go there, they never give me the same positive energy.
So I was like, why am I first saying so much?
So there was this day I was at home, sitting stressed, starving,
(15:26):
and I was there with my auntie, like my mom's
young sister. Yeah, my mom's sister. So I was there
and then my auntie called me and they were like
because other day I was just talking about my dad,
my dad, And I was like, you keep talking about
your dad, your dad, your dad? Where's he? What did
he bring youre? Have you eaten? Now? No? Do you
(15:47):
go to school? But are you go? There's school fees
and all that.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Did you do that?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
So to stop talking about your dad? My dad because
I used to love him so much. So there was
this day I was just chilling, stressed home and you
don't like and I have nothing to eat and all that.
And then my auntie, who is I Jay's mother, my brother,
who told me to go sell my ring right, yeah,
because he's my cousin. His mom and my mom are sisters.
(16:15):
So then she told me, like, that's my Auntie said like,
you know what, there's this guy called Salem. I have
a feeling that's your dad. Oh wow, that's how he started.
I was like, what do you mean. I said, like,
I direct you go somewhere. Don't tell your mom, just
(16:37):
go somewhere. Just go there and say that I'm looking
for my dad. He used to work at the market.
Say that I'm looking for my dad. If you find him,
tell him that I'm Sandra's son and I came here
to look for you. And I did. I went there,
so I met him the first time. I was like,
you know, when you used to another person.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
You've been thinking this.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
My dad and I used to work at the market,
you know, like you know there's local market and my
other dad used to have a good life. I was like,
so is this my dad? Now, but I went there.
He embraced me, and I remember it gave me my
I don't know if it was one dollar. It's not
one dollar, but it was just give me something, give
me money and give me rice because I used to sell.
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He was a wholesaler. It was a rice wholesaler. So
he gave me rice and I went back home. So
that was the first time experienced like a dad give
me money. So I was super happy. And it wasn't
that far from home. So then I started going there
every like every day or every week. Then after that
for me to go there, he mixed him and my
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mom to start getting back together, you see that. Then
after that they took me. They said, okay, let me
let me because my mom was like, so my mom
and he was. She was like, no, I want to
know you that Andrews. This must be that. And my
mom was like, no, that's not his dad, but you
know WHI let's just go with the floor. Then I
went to They took me to see my brothers and
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sisters like from him. We went there and when I
went to see my brothers, I'm like, I look like
like we look I like so much and I farid
the vibe because my other dad had a daughter. But
most of the time when I used to go there,
she never used to give me the vibe. Right, But
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when I went to this one.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
You fet the band, what I felt like, this is home.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
And from there I started go to his family. But
he because he had three kids, and those three kids
used to stay with his mother.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Which is my granny.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
So my grandy was staying separate for my dad. So
then I used to go there. I started like going there,
started going there every time every time. But then now
I started being confused, like, so who is my dad?
It is my dad or my dad? Are you getting
the point? And then imagine that even before me studying
being musician officially, so then I was like, okay, okay,
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but to me, are you still loving the other dad,
you know, the new one? But then, but I loved
his family, and then he got sometimes after a while,
like after a year or two years that who is
my real dad? He died and the other one, the
first one, who is all my dad, remained, so I
had only the family and the other person, who is
(19:31):
I thought was my dad. So then but this other side,
they used to give me the proper vibe. And all
that and all that. Then I started doing music and
all that. So from out of nowhere. But the more
the more I grew up, the more I grew up
and everything is, the more I started noticing like these
are my siblings, these are my family. The other one
is not. So there was this day because even my
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real dad, the one that I was telling you, because
I was when I used to go there, I was
in the old I was still young as well. So
then there was this day. I started asking my other
brothers like, can you please give me my late dad pictures?
I studied, so I was saying, O the pictures and
if I look at the pictures, I see If I
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look at my brother, if I show you my brother picture,
we look like even when we talk, we talk everything.
So then the more days goes and there is there
called my mom. This is because now after I become
famous and all that everything. But remember I took the
other dad sister and the other that the late dad family,
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bring all them together. Wow yeah, because I didn't know
at that point, I was like I didn't know who
is So I brought all them together into my empire
whoever can do whatever. They were the other one's position,
another one was just presenter. I was like, like the
whole family. To me, I was like, you know what,
at the end of the day, I know nothing about it.
Let me take all them together. But then I started
doing my own research to understand, like who, so which
(20:58):
one is my what is my room? And then I
noticed that the new one my family look at if
I show the picture and the trust me, it is
like everything. Then there's this day. I called my mom.
I'm like, mam, come look at these pictures. This is
man like that the one of the new one who's
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now passed away ready, and this is the old one.
From a point of view. If you look at this,
who do you think is my dad? And she was
also like, I think you guys look at like this.
So it was that way, and to me, I did
my conclusion. You know, like this is my dad if
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I show the picture, and if you see the picture
of him and my kids look at totally completely right,
so you can tell. So after that, and imagine at
that point, my other dad who abandoned me, was doing interview,
crazy interviews, talking negative about me while I was taking
care of it.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
That's wild.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
You go to this point, I went to the radio
station and he was talking negative things like you know what, guys,
by the way, he's not my dad. We like what.
I was like, it's not my dad. Have all the
proof and everything. And then I went to post the
picture of me and my red dad and everything, and
I took my other brothers, Well, we want to do
tests and everything. You yeah, okay, yeah, because you know,
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can't go to the interview and say that if you
don't have the.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Poo you need to know for sure.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
So when but now we're cool me and even that
he's still alive and it was too cool. Check it.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
That's a wold situation. That's the thing about these DNA tests.
Now you find out you know who your family is,
who it isn't. How does that affect you when you
think about your kids too, and being like the father
that you are and being present in all your kids'
lives the way that you are.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Well, first of all, I know I do have I
have kids, but I also know other some I know
my kids what yeah, but I don't want to argue
either mother and or whatever. But I take care all
of them.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
But you have five right that we the kids? Okay,
four to.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Five five four five. You know, as I say, like
these things sometimes it can get crazy, right, and I
take care of all of them. I really try my
level best to make sure that I take good care
of them. But sometimes you can just tell like, trust me,
why not find out then yeah, I went, I didn't
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wander your name in Tanzania.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
And so you know already okay, complicated, trust me, you know,
because I know even on the show seeing you co
parenting that was even tough. That's hard, like when you
know the parents are necessarily meshing and then being to
have access, you know, to your kids. But that's a lot.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah, you know before before you know, it took sometimes
for a person to be mature to understand like if
you have maybe some misunderstanding with the mother of your kids,
to understand how to control it. So I remember back
then when it started like that, when I had my
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first daughter and son, and then me and the mother
of my kids misunderstanding, and then after that we separated,
and it was a very tough moment because I I
was so used to my daughter and all that. I remember,
she was my first kid, and you know, when you
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got separate, these something people don't understand, like when most
of the time like it, like it's more wise anymore
makes sense if you separate with your the mother of
your kids, to let the kids stay with their mother
because no matter how much you love your kids, there's
no you can take a good care of them than
their mothers can do any trust me, no matter how
much you have to be awful for you to be,
(25:10):
you need to let them stay with their mothers because mothers,
I understand how no matter how much you guys, maybe
you don't talk to each other, you have problems, so
someone you when they stay together, sometimes as you understand,
it happens as well. Sometimes also they can you know,
sometimes they can use that as a weapon sometimes, you know,
(25:30):
to get your attention. So you need to understand how
to control them. If you're stupid, maybe you can end
up fight the mothers your kids. Why you just need
to understand them. To me, I feel like women you
need to understand them as they are any the human
being they're not like as men. You don't men. No
(25:52):
matter the case, you can stay quiet or if even
if I have a problem with someone that can maybe
I cannot say that I cannot show that. But you know,
imagine a woman who is the mother of your kids,
and she stays with your kids, and even if you
guys separated. Sometimes as a human being, of course she
can be missing you. She can't tell you like I
(26:13):
miss you, but she can do something that you need
to understand, like she doesn't mean like to disrespect you,
but she needs your attention, right, So it needs it
needs a wise man, a proper matured man to understand that.
So that's how you see other people that fight and
all that. But to me, I think when I started
it was just a little bit. Then I realized that
(26:35):
when they do this, it's not like they don't like
you nobody, they like you too much. Maybe they feel
like they want you, guys, to solve things so that
you can.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Maybe have another baby.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you see. So you just
need to take it positively.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
So to me, that's a good way to look at it,
like she's doing this not because it's because she does
want some attention.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yes, positively, and you know she can't, you know she can't.
That's a human beings, you know, Oh ladies, sometimes they
can have egos, so you have to understand like they
don't they're gonna just keep calling you. You want them
to be calling you and debate you. No, no, no,
they can do something to your kids, But you need
to understand the positivity of it.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
What about when she moves on and you have to
deal with that? How do you handle that? Because we
can talk about how women are, but how is it
for a man, like, how is it seeing the mother
of your kids moving on with somebody, and especially if
it's somebody you know and like somebody that you would
cool with.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
I'll tell you this, all those steps are very sweet
if you understand them. You see, if the mother of
your kids moves on, it's more better because now she
become your friend. Because now if she really moves on,
there's no way she can give you.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
A guilt trip.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah ye yeah yeah, you see. So she would treat
you as a brother. She would teach you as this
is the father of my kids, Yanny. I wish people
could understand, you know, I have like Zari, she's the
mother of my and she's married now and we are
so cool. You anyway, are very cool.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
I'm glad you got to that point.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Very cool. You see, when we talk about the keys
and everything like it just needs as a mind you
know the problem. But man, sometimes I understand if you
if you separate with someone, you still want them to
be just on your cycle. It doesn't work that.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Way if you don't want to be you had to learn.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, it was difficult. I don't want to lie to you.
It's difficult to be fun to understand.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
That's growth.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Yeah. So if imagine you don't want to be with her,
and how do you expect her to be. She needs
to move on, she needs to be with someone else,
and you need to take that positively.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Yeah, because sometimes guys don't want you to be with Yeah,
they don't want to be with you, but they don't
want to see you.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
That's the problem. That's the biggest a problem that we have.
So it takes it takes a lot for a person
to understand that, the person to take it. I'm glad
I am that person. Me, I am very cool.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Oh my big Mama's okay.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
They love me. I don't want to to you and
like I'm the good person to them. A minute. It
got to a point sometimes their men they get mad
at me. They get mad at them thinking maybe we
have something. No, we do have something. We got nothing
going on. Just we decided to make you could definitely,
but that's why. No, no, no, it's not that way.
(29:25):
It's not that way. It's not that way. But you know,
if a minute, if you can be cool with the
mother of your kids, no matter the constances, right, he
makes her look at you differently. Even if you have
your wife, if you have your mind, if you if
(29:46):
you have your gear friend, if you have whatever, you've
moved on, but the mother of your kids will look
at you in a very positive eye. You get the win.
So it doesn't mean that it gives you a chance.
If you want to hit you can hit it. But
you know, people who had something, trust me, if they
want to do somethings very easy for them to do,
no matter how much the one person moved on already,
(30:08):
trust me.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Oh listen, you got a lot going are you in
the middle of filming season four? Also in the midst
of all this, so you are back on season four?
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah, you know, I do feel like on that show
you were definitely because you've been on all three seasons already.
You know, I feel like it would be a big,
you know, whole if you weren't there anymore, just because
of all the and I know you've said before this
is TV, so you also understand, like you said that
it has to be some type of excitement. Do you
(30:39):
feel like there's things that you've done that you're like
that doesn't really kind of represent who I am now?
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Ah, Honestly, it's very tricky. But to me, I want
people to understand that what if I'm doing there non
to the case. Just I want to entertain. Then I
want people to feel good. I want people to look
at it to understand, like in life there's those types
of people as well. Yeah, like you know, mean when
(31:07):
I do that show, I'm not trying to pretend I'm
trying to give people to understand that there's other people
like this as well.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, you have some great one liners, you see.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
So I want people to the Yeah, I want them
to take you positively, to understand. And if I don't
like something I say, if I love something and say,
I don't want to lie. I don't want to look
like I'm pretending and if I'm not lying to you.
I've never watched none of the show.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I've never watched Oh really.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah, I'm afraid of forcing them because I don't want
to control myself.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Okay, okay, So now I got to ask for you
and Fantana stand because we've seen all this news out
and you guys have you know, it felt like this
was going somewhere. That was your girlfriend on the show,
but clearly now. So she put up a post also
saying that you'll never forget her or something like that.
(31:58):
But where do you guys stand at.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Me and me and fantiam is very cool?
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Are you really?
Speaker 2 (32:04):
What do you mean when you asked that we're very cool?
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Okay, so we're very cool?
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Cool?
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yeah? What is cool mean?
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Like cool? Mm hmmm uh?
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Because look the thing is, and I know we talked
about this, you know before the show started, but Zushi
was your artist. She put out amazing songs. Just now
we saw you guys on the Fast Time, Amanda, Yes,
and so people were thinking that she caught you, you know,
somebody was calling you in the middle of the night.
Turns out it was great promo for the song is
amazing by the way, Yes, Amanda, and so that's what
(32:41):
that was. But you know, throughout the show you were asked,
are you guys dating? And you were like, no, that
is not my girlfriend, that's my artist.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
So you know, at the show there I was, I
was after someone help. Would I say yes? If I
say yes, day, it would have been imagined. You know,
if this is this, this is what I'm saying, like
on that show, I'm trying to show people how people are,
how really human being are. Like I was there with Fantana.
(33:07):
I was cheating, not but yeah, I was cheating there.
And then how would you expect me to agree that, yeah,
I have someone back home? That's when she asked me.
I said, like, you know, that's my artist, because that's
I had to lie. I live there, right, you from
from we're both from Tanzania. Yes we are together. But
(33:30):
when Fantana asked me about it, how would I say no,
I was there, you know I was.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I had to lie.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
You know, sometimes you need to have sweet talk. If
you say like, yeah, that's my girlfriend. Yeah, she would get.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Mad graduated you lied like yeah, I was about because.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Unless otherwise I've lost her. So I had to lie
at this. She was like oh no, no, she I said.
I know she's been artists, she's not my girlfriend and
all that that's how life is.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Did she start off as just your artists and then
become your girlfriend or wish you your girlfriend when she
was your artist, because I know she worked under you
for years, kind of just developing into the artist she
is now. But was that something that like you guys
were dating first or you ended up dating.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
No, she was my artist and started, like the feelings started,
like you know, generating slowly, slowly, slowly. We just found
ourselves in love and something is very beautiful.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
I don't like And it's nice being from the same
place too. There's a certain type of understanding.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
That you forgot about it. It's just sometimes when you
go to a show together and you're all stressed because
she's busy, she want to do a NANCE performance and
you also want to do the Nance performance, so you
don't know who can help who. And after getting down
with the shoulder and you guys get back to the hotel,
there's no one to massage another. You all knocked down.
(34:53):
But it's a very beautiful moments, beautiful experience, and yeah,
I love first. I love that for you.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Is she going to be on the new season?
Speaker 2 (35:03):
They've been asking her to be in this, but no,
I've been saying.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
No, Okay, does she want to?
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Nah?
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Sure that doesn't want Okay? All right? Well, then that's fair.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
They've been asking me to have Zuchu in the show.
But you know, I'll tell you why. And this is
what I told her so and I told him as well.
If I'm going to have Zuchu in the show, then
there's something that I'm doing on the show, be able
to do like what like I'm gonna have to behave
and to be like very yeah that's the fact. Okay,
(35:37):
if she's in the show, then I must be fully committed.
I won't be able to entertain people. So that's why
I wanted my life to be out of the Realty
show and there to have something different.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
You're like the Tanzanian future.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
No, no, no, no, I don't know, like in terms
of musically, yeah, yeah, let's say that. You see, it's
like in this you know, I'll tell you the truth.
When we started to do a show, like you know,
that's where it came from. That's that was where me
(36:16):
and Zary we came from the breakup and all that.
So when we started to do a show, we were
almost getting back together. Trust me, right when we started
to do that show, because that time, I was no
dating suit you So then we were me and Zero's
we were almost getting back together, and then I thought
(36:37):
about it, and I said, like, if you're going to
get back together, that means that I'm not going to
be able to entertain people in this show because I'm
going to.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Have to behave Okay, So I understand what you're saying.
So as the playboy character that you're playing on the show,
which you said before, it's hard to be able to
do that, to have a person, Yeah, because I did
feel like you guys might have. It felt like y'all
were having these conversations and the thing about doing more.
It definitely felt like she wanted to get back together
with you, even though she may have denied it. Yeah,
(37:05):
you know at the time, but I felt the vibe
from you too, you know, like you said, and so yeah,
and but what's wrong with behaving like there? Because I
do think from season one up to season four you
could have turned into somebody that now behaves.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah, and you know, you know, like to for me
to be able to be that, it needs me to
be singing there. Trust me. If I have a person
that I just see as person that I have, like
if you I have zoos in the show, do not
expect me to entertaine. Now you're going to see all
vacations you see us maybe celebration you see as a
(37:45):
baby shower is like you know, because that's how it's
supposed to be done, right, Because that's now to me,
it's a real life.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
I can say you're having a spin off. Maybe would
you do that? Like how like your own show with
your own Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Yeah, in that conversation right now, Okay, I can see that, yeah,
in that conversation.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Because you also have this empire of a business as well, right,
you have artists underneath you. Now I was reading somewhere.
I know you have one jet? Do you have two? Now? Okay,
because somebody was saying you have two? Okay, just one?
One's good?
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Yeah, yeah, it's good for starting it's not bad.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
And you have the record label.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
You have a television station.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah, I have radio stations. My radio is number one.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Okay, that's what.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
I'm saying, East and Central.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
What is the process like of having your own radio station?
And how did you even say that was something you
wanted to do?
Speaker 2 (38:39):
So this is how it started, Like when I started
doing so good in my music, and as you know,
like if you do good like you have to work
with different people like and back home to me, I
can see what made me who I am today, apartform
being a good musician, but to be able to deal
with different characters, to do it everybody, to support everybody.
(39:02):
I respect everybody. I'm that type of person. And then
but you know how industry can be. It go to
a point that the industry wanted to to to f
me up, and then almost all the powerful media start
playing my music, and that's where I started my own media.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Listens happened to you for a reason.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah, so it was there. I was like and for
no good reasons.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Just like me, when things happened, you figure out a
different way.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah definitely. So when when that happened,
I really tried to because me, I'm a corporate person,
like I can deal with and I love giving to
me like I can deal with everybody, and I don't
have a problem with people. I don't fight with people.
I'm a very cool person, you know me, I'm just
(39:53):
very cool person. But then it's like human being. Sometimes
they're don't satisfying. If you give them this you want,
they still one they stee one they want and want.
So then they try to end my career. Then after
they wanted to do that, I was like, okay, wait,
and then I started my record label apart from wanted
(40:14):
to do that since but then I started my my
record label. So that and then when they asked me,
and I remember there was this media who was the
powerful that time, powerful media who started playing my music.
But they had me on interview and they say, like,
what the reason? What was the point of you studying
having a record label, as I like, apart from empowering
(40:34):
the youth. But then I understand that this campaign going on,
people want to shut me down. But now I'm trying
to show them that I can have more than me,
more me and they can never shut none of them down, right,
So not only me. It's like I wanted to show
them that I have the power that I can is.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
An army of you.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Yes, if it's not only me that the power that
I have, I can even have more five artists. I
can carry them and nobody can shut them down. So
after that, you go to a point and say, like,
you know what, let me start a radio station. And
I started a radio station, started radio station. Of course,
it's a big process, you understand, you get the license
(41:12):
to for the government to trust you and all that.
It takes a lot. And I was new and trust
me and started from this crash, from the logo and everything.
And then what I did. I send the letter to
those media who were not playing my music and they're
acting like they're not they're playing my music, and I
send them letter like, do not to play my music from.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Now officially you only could hear it if you come then.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
And then our boat I signed against it, I can sign.
I signed all the powerful presenters. I took them to
my media.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Wow you are let me tell you some diabolical.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
So like the whole and I had public simple so
like everybody the old eyes was on us, like what
is called? So everybody started watching with Safi and I've
got all the powerful presenters, and then we started doing
a lot of dramas so that we have a lot
of things to talk about and other media they can't
(42:14):
talk about that. And to me, you have a record label,
I have a lot of things, a lot of powerful artists.
So they're all doing different dramas in a way that
if your media doesn't talk about it, it looks old. Yeah,
why you don't talk about it, so like the whole
country want to hear about our stories and you can't
talk about us students. That's why I knew after that
they would want to talk about this, So that's why
I give them the letter like do not officially.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
That's how how is it for you in Tanzania now?
Speaker 2 (42:39):
And now it's cool? Like now it's cool now I
talk to old media, But.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
I mean, how is it like when you go out?
Can you just go outside? And you can't even just
do that?
Speaker 2 (42:49):
I need to trust me for me to to go out,
it needs to me to have no less than tense securities.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Right ten. Yeah, I've seen even just internationally places and
seeing how people are going crazy for you.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Their love. Their love is amazing and I think because
they know my story from where I came from and
they're not dishamble. I can't say I'm there, but I'm
trying to inspire all that and I'm I want to
get somewhere and people see that I'm working so hard.
I'm trying to do a lot so they can get there,
(43:22):
and people take me as the inspiration. So if a
person come trying to attach my image or to do
something negative, they hate it and they support me. They
love me so much. Just with the time you post me.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
You see what is how important is the US market
for you? Because it feels like you're so successful and
I know sometimes we can be really last here to
catch on to certain things like as.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Music. To me, it's like it's like a storytelling, right,
expressing my feelings. And I will love the world to
see like there's different flavors, there's different options, there's different
things for them to experience. So I would love people
(44:10):
to know that God have blessed this world with different talents.
So I would love them to know my capability as artists,
love them to know my music. But apart from that
music as well as.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Business, right, you think reality TV has done a lot
for you too, as far as just even having people
want to tune in to hear the music, because I
feel like they don't necessarily showcase that so much. Yeah
on there and maybe that's something that they should do.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Yeah they should do. Yeah, Yeah, I think they don't.
They don't show that so much. And at the beginning,
and then maybe because they wanted they didn't want people
to lose their focus, okay, trying to portray but I
think this new season will have a lot of things
that people needs to understand, because I remember there was
this I had a show in Portugal and someone I
(45:00):
think there's a fan from the show. I mean he
saw the video I was dancing and I was like, oh,
so this guy can dance, so he's he's the real musicians.
It was that way. Honestly, this show give me a
lot of new fans. I don't want to like to
you like a lot of I've gained big fan base
from that as well. And as I said, the more
(45:21):
this goes, the more I keep trying to because you know,
I started from tan Dalley even to Tanzania when the
whole Africa, when the whole Africa, and I goes to
the whole world. So it's a step. And the more
Days goes, the more THLS opens and opens. Imagine now
I'm here.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Yeah I am. Now I'm happy that you're here too.
I mean that's why I know, like Swinky Jerry and everything,
just from watching that show. When the season four start
and what's happening now while you guys are filming.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
I'm not allowed to say that nothing, but hopefully soon Okay,
people should expect that soon and I'm excited. And trust me,
most of the time, when the show comes out.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
I go through a lot of things, but you don't
even watch it, so you.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Have yeah, like home because I don't watch by home,
they watched and I remember those. This day, my daughter
asked me and she said, like, so, why you're in
the show with Fontana and not my mom?
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Mmm.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
I was like, princess, it's a show. No, what do
you have to kiss up? It's like, no, I wasn't
kissing her. Well, it was just a peck. Like most
mostly when the show comes out, like it brings a lot,
but oh it's it's the career. It's a job. That's
(46:40):
how you got to do so that we can bring
the bread back home.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
No, I think it's great. Also just because I love
to watch the fashion. I like to see all of
all of those things. On the last episode of the
last season, you came out there bold, you have the
kilt on, and that's always like a you know, but
it looks good, Like you said, you got to have
the confidence to be able to be like yeah, and
you know, to do.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
Something like that as well. I remember it was like
I was playing like you know, of course, sometimes other
people that may take it differently. They may take you
a total different persons. But I'm glad people love what
I'm what I did in the show, and I want
to thank them so much. Young and Famous has become
one of the right move for me to do. And
(47:24):
I've got a lot of more to offer to you.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
Where's the new album coming, because I've read that it's
going to be your most personal.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
I'm working on that now and I've got a lot
of songs and a con wait, I'm super excited. A
different sounds, different sounds of course, African sounds is going
to be there. I have Bungo flavoring there. There's this
sounds called Singly, so new sound from Africa. It's crazy.
If you get time, just go type singly. Okay, you
see the video creeps crazy sound.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
You've already been going crazy on TikTok with the song
that you have and now I love it.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
Yeah that one, Yeah, so be my piano like down
song Down, going to have like aphrobds. I've done a
lot of songs with people from here as well. Yeah,
different artists from here.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
Yeah, sounds, but I think Neo.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
I've done a song with Neo Alicia key Sha Keys
as well. I was an als album featured me, yep
with Ricky Roles as well, Marion, I have song even
the last White album, he featured me. We have a
song in whit album as well. And I still got
more songs with different just like an Elite Chop. I
(48:33):
have a song together featured in his song as well.
Song out yet song with Swelly.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
Oh wow, okay, yeah, working something with Sierra. Oh, you're
gonna do something with Sierra. Those visuals are going to
be crazy crazy. Yeah, I can wait to see it.
You said, what.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Here to show the music video?
Speaker 1 (48:54):
Okay, I guess we've got a little spoiler I need
to see on the shows. By the way, I did
see some of this.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Yeah, they're gonna have to put a lot of them now,
trust me, because there's been a lot of relationship and
all that. So we need to change the narrative a
little bit so that people can see what we have.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Been blessed with and what what made you decide now
was the time to get married.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
I can say it's just it just came. Liken say, like,
I don't think if you you plan those things, it
just happened, and you feel like you know what, Yeah,
I need to do this. That's what happened. Okay, I
feel like and it was just like you from for
me and and for from where I came from and
(49:35):
from my religion. It does you don't, It doesn't need
you to complicate. Took me, my wife went to share.
We got married, and I called my mom. I said, like,
mama married what Yeah? So it was just that way.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
She didn't get heads up, like.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
I think. There's a lot of things comes Okay, trust me, I'm.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Gonna be watching. You should watch.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
Well.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
Thank you so much for joining us. We were really
excited to have you. I'm glad that you were able
to make it here. When they said you were coming
to the show, we said absolutely.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
And I can tell this has been the best interview
really done in this country.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
Oh my gosh, I'm so glad to hear that you
have an amazing, amazing story, and so I appreciate you
for trusting us to sit here and even tell me
so much. God bless you more and more and more,
and God bless you to thank you so much.
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