Dawn Robinson of En Vogue joins Angela Yee for an exclusive interview, addressing homelessness rumors, Lucy Pearl drama, En Vogue secrets, and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
What's up? His way up with Angela?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Yee, And first of all, you guys know, I have
always said how much of a fan I am of
this woman right here, and she recently went viral, but
I've been talking about what a fan I am even
before that.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Don Robinson is joining us via zoom. What's up? Don Robinson?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Oh? I'm good. How are you? Angela?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I'm doing well and you look amazing.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Thank you, Thank you. I'm little frazzled, but I'm here
and I'm grateful. Thank you so much, you guys for
having me, your whole team, everybody way up. I appreciate
being here well.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
And I know you did not anticipate going viral the
way that you did most recently because you've been doing
this blog where you've.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Been opening up to people about yourself. You've had this YouTube.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Channel for over a year, but then you got really
honest on this latest episode. So I know we want
to start there where you said, Okay, I just want
to let people know what I'm up to, So talk
to me about why you decided right then to do that.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Well, I had even in the video itself, episode six,
I had said to everybody that you know, I wanted
to talk about this episode in my life a long
time ago, like when I first started my channel, I
wanted to start. I wanted to talk about this subject
and car life and I can't believe it's like it's
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crazy because I had one idea about what this was
going to be and I thought, Wow, I'm just going
to put it out to my little fan you know
what I mean, the fans on my channel, and it
took off in a way that I could not have imagined.
But I'm so grateful that it did. A lot of
people are understanding exactly what I'm saying. Some people are
even what's wonderful is that the car life people, Van
(01:47):
life people, our v life people are really happy. They're like, Wow,
she gets it. She's free right now, and she understands
it's temporary. I said that I've been saying that that
is a temporary situation. It's not forever. But I wanted
people to understand, like I said in the video, that
they can do anything that no matter what's coming in
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your life, you handle it like you handle it and
don't think that it's the end of the world. You
figure out a way to get through that thing. And
if doin can do this, then you know, you guys
could do anything. And other people are taking it like
very negative and they're you know, they're trying to make
it ugly. I actually got teary for a minute because
I was like, Wow, it's like my whole little world
(02:28):
of car life, this temporary time in my life. It's
a journey, and journeys take, you know, different turns, and
sometimes you're up here and sometimes you're down and sometimes
and you work it out. And right now I've done that.
And when I put it out to the world and
everybody starts tearing it apart. So I was upset with
that part. But I'm like, you know what this there's
always gonna be negative, nasty people that have to you know,
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try to put their fingers and stuff. So I was like, okay,
let it be that. It's okay. I didn't have to
say a word, though, Angela, because the hand the fans
handled all the negativity. So they tore them up. Yeah,
they did so.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
And I think the main point for that, right your
new life is in the scary That's what it's about.
This is something that you said you wanted to do,
and look, I think it's important for people to put
the whole thing in context, because you describe what you
had been through even before that, a series of circumstances
that happen with your you know, previous I don't know
if that's your co manager, and then all of that
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and how that kind of led up to you, like
staying in a hotel then not getting a place. But
people do have to I think watch the whole thing
because they were clips that were posted, and so it
made it seem like, how did this happen? She just
all of a sudden, is you know, homeless living in
her car. But it was actually something that one day
you were like, you know what, I'm going to try this.
You had been thinking about it, and you said, I
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want to do this car life thing.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I said, I did research, which is crazy. It's like
they're like, it's almost like people think that I was
just like thrown into Carliff and I had no she's
just homeless. It's not that at all. I'm inde a choice,
I said, I could have stayed at the hotels, or
I could have worked it out even with my manager
to stay with him, Like how can we make room
in your apartment? He has a one bedroom one bathroom sudden.
(04:10):
It's like they wanted they saw what they wanted to see.
They didn't see what I said. They made like I said,
They tore it apart and made certain parts like she's
homeless all this. You know, I'm like I said. Other
celebrities have have been have slept in their van, the
case with Marvin Gay was in a van bread van,
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and even with Charlie Wilson, by his own admission, was
on the street. Now I'm not that, but that's the
way they made it seem, the perception that they wanted
it to be. It was like, Dawn is homeless and
she's destituted, and she needs money, and let's help her.
And I'm like, you guys, I love I love the
ones that came for me. Like I have a place,
I have a room and extra room. You could stay
with me. I'm like, I don't. My car is right
(04:52):
now temporarily, my room my home, and but I'm building
my life from here. It's like that. And somebody said,
somebody said, oh no, she's not homeless. Look at her nails.
She got a nase, so it's called polish.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
And somebody also said, she has an assistant weigh in
and saying, you know, this is her choice, this is
what she wants to do.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
She has an assistant. You're not you know, on house
with an assistant right exactly.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
And for that comment, I was like, first of all,
I've only met him once in my life if that,
I remember being around, but not directly meeting him, So
I don't even think we said hello and shook hands
or get but hugged. So I was shocked. Usually artists
to artists, don't you know what I mean? He's a producer,
but he's still an artist. We don't attack each other
like that, like you would swear that he knows me directly,
(05:39):
like he knows my story and why it's like, where
are you coming from? It was a shocked but I'm
like some people have to just be negative, and he
doesn't know my story, so he's assuming instead of reaching
out to me directly and saying, hey, you know, I
heard about your situation. What do you need? Are you okay?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Or you know what?
Speaker 3 (05:56):
I don't know her story, but she's being very brave,
like be quiet if you don't know the story, just
keep your mouth shut. I would never go in on
someone else's situation if I don't know the details. So
I was shocked by that. But again, some people just
have to chime in, and he got drug. The fans
were like, no, that's not true, and you lost a
fan because you shouldn't have come for her. She didn't
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ask for you. It was unnecessary.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
And this is a journey you're documenting because you said
that you've been documenting this and perhaps this is something
that we'll see in its entirety, So can you talk
to me about that and what is kind of this
documentation because it's something that once you talked about it,
I was like, Okay, you kind of had to learn
how to navigate through things to make sure that you
stay safe. You said you have a gym membership, so
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that's how you manage to take a shower.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
But you watched the whole thing, Angela, you're on it.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, I mean I was done. I watched like all
the episodes.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I watched you talking about being a child and you know,
wearing an outfit with one black tight and one white
tight on, and I watched.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I mean that tells you.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I'm a fan.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
So yes, And think on the positive side, it did
alert people to the fact that you have a YouTube channel,
and I saw all the struggles you went through with that,
with trying to get help, and it made me think
to myself about you wanting to It's hard sometimes when
you have to rely on other people for things, and
it feels like to me that throughout your career you've
been let down a lot of things that may be
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out of your control, and so maybe this is a
way of taking back control exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
That's exactly what it is. I did this again. I
could have There's certain people that will take advantage of
somebody else helping them. In other words, a gold digger
type chick would have been like, you know what, he's
gone me in a hotel and stay in a hotel
for as long as it takes, even though he's I'm
not his type. It's like he's a gay man, but
you know, they would have taken advantage of that. And
(07:49):
I was like, I know this has to be financially
hard for you, so I'm not going to stay in
this hotel. But I could have done that. And I
was like, you know what, I feel like I'm being controlled.
As opposed to that, I'm going to take a bit.
I'm going to take control of my own life. And
I've been checking out this car life thing. Like I said,
I researched it, so I'm going to do that, and
that was taking control of my own life.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
How was it for you at the beginning when you
first started, because I know you said the main thing
first was safety. There were some things that you had
to learn along the way.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
So what was your question?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
How was it when you first started, like with the
car life, because like you said, safety was an issue,
you wanted to make sure that because there is a
whole community, so you had to learn like who you
could trst, who you could interest. But what are some
of the things that you learned early on when you
first started in car life?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
So the wind the safety is this, you don't want
people looking inside your car and side your windows and
just being able to access you that way. So I
had first I had a lot of long sleeve shirts,
especially when I was in Vegas. I was the first
time I was ever in my car, and I had
long sleeve shirts that I would tie together to cover
my windows. And then I was like, well, you can
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still kind of see in the middle of certain things.
So I went online and I was like, oh, hey,
I have this particular car. I want to learn how
this guy was saying, if you have this particular car,
you buy black plastic bags and you put them up
to the window and then you close your window and
it'll it'll hold it in there when you when you
close the window, it'll be held in there. And that
worked for a while, and I was like, well, wait
(09:17):
a minute, it's gotta be even a better way than that.
So I researched Amazon and again my assistant see this
is the thing, and they were like, oh, she's got
her hair done. Well, how am I supposed to look
in my car? I'm not gonna look I will never
look like my circumstances. So my assistant Nisi, sister Nisi,
was like, Diva, they have these things for your window
(09:38):
that like a screen, and I was like, oh my god,
that would be So we researched the right ones for me,
and then she got them for me. So I have
these screens that you can open up from the inside
and you can kind of see out, but nobody can
see it. And when I close them on the inside,
you really can't see it. That's how I drive every day,
those things that are still on my winds. So that
kind of stuff that gave me the safety or the
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secure already have safety that I needed. Making sure that
your doors are locked. I mean, it's the temple. It's
like we say that living in a car is so scary,
but it's like you can be in your apartment and
somebody busts the door in, and it's the same, Like
you're not that much safer in your apartment than you
are in a car. And I know it seems like
it's more risky. Probably is a little bit, but anything
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can happen in your apartment or house just like you
can in your car. So come on, y'all, I don't
know it just like they wanted to make it a
big deal or a bigger deal than it is. And
I've learned to every time somebody says to me, oh
my god, you're not scared, I'm like should I be?
Like should I be scared? Because you guys are making
it seem like I'm like, no, I've never had that fear. Right,
(10:44):
this is an awakening. It's an awakening for me, you know.
So I feel like I said that too in the video,
like this is this is time for healing my mom,
and I like, don't have that relationship that I really want,
like I said, and if I said that stuff not
to put my mother on blast. I absolutely love. I've
always admired my mom. My mother moved my sister and
(11:07):
I from Connecticut to California on her own and started
a new life as a single mother with two kids,
Like you can move and do your thing when you're single,
but two kids, like she really made it work. And
I had to remind her of that throughout my life, like, Mom,
you remember you did this, like you're so strong. It's like,
oh my god, you're right. But something happened with that
(11:27):
relationship and there was anger. I was like, whoa, what
is happening? I almost thought maybe early stages of dementia
until I mentioned something to her. She's like, yes, I did.
I said that, I'd say it again. Okay, so you
knew what you were saying, you know, when you had
to mention like, no, I don't remember that. I didn't
say that. I would never say that to you, But
she knew, and she didn't atone for what she said.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I saw.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
She She commented after all this and said that you
would give you a hug if she saw you, and
that you have.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
To say that to make herself you know what I mean.
There's certain types of narcissism that I've heard about or
learned about in my lifetime. My ex is one of them.
My mother's a certain type, and so she doesn't want
to look like I'm not trying to make a look
bad as a mother. She's been an amazing mother throughout
my lifetime. But as she's gotten older, something happened when
(12:20):
I lived with her again, and I'm like, this is
not the same woman, this is not this is not
Barbara Gane. So she did it. They were so anxious
to get an interview with her, and I was like,
why are these people reaching out so hard on my mom.
I didn't get to her, and she didn't contact me
to say, hey, do on these people want to talk
to me. That's what it used to be back in
the day, right. She just did the interview with them
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and saying she's not going to say, well, yeah, this
is what I wish would have happened. It would have
been nice if my mom said, you know what, my
daughter and I I said some things to my daughter
that were not very nice, and I regret those things,
but we'll do with that with each other. I love her,
that's it. You don't have to kiss my ass. Not
asking that at all. I'm just you know, she could
have just taken accountability. I guess that would have been great,
(13:07):
but she didn't do that.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
And you mentioned your excel when I saw he also
said he offered you a job.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Home like Angela, like, would you work with your ex?
I'm just asking maybe maybe it was. Some people are
very good friends and they leave that door open for
that to happen. But this was not that.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
And I haven't heard friends with his father though, right,
you are friends with his mother, because I remember you said, oh, no, okay,
I didn't know if this is I know you said that.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I felt like you said your mother in law. You
were still oh.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
So these are two different extrads. This is the one
that came out and made these comments and coming out
like he has to take my shine because he doesn't
have shine of his own. So he made comments that
he shouldn't have made. I haven't heard from him about
a job, and why would I take a job from
an ex. One of the fans, or a few of
the fans, were like, he's an X four reasons, Yeah, no,
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the forever mother in law is I was never married
to her son.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I just dated him.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
I was common law marriage. I guess you could say.
And she's she's my mother in law. I call her mom.
I still call her ma Velma.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Okay, now I want to ask you from all of
this that has happened and all of the hoopla around
this YouTube that you posted and your series is called
it Shine, so people can go and watch all of
this because you are very connected to your fans, which
is why you actually even wanted to do this page
to give more of yourself so people can understand where
you're coming from. Because we've seen you in interviews, we've
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watched your performances, we've seen all of that. But this
is a good way for you to keep that connection going.
What is going to happen now that you've done that.
There's been all this hoopla. What's next for Donna? There
are opportunities that came from this.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Oh my goodness, the world is my oyster Angela. It's
like I could not have imagined. In a few hours
time after I released that video so quickly my channel
was about one thousand and ninety two or no, I
need seven fans, and then it jumped to five thousand
within a couple of hours, and then I was driving
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to Panera cause that's where I work and charge all
my stuff up. And by the time I got there,
it was seven thousand, and then the next morning it
was twelve thousand, and then later that same day it
was fifteen thousand. Like it's just this is amazing to me.
And from this, like I want to get offers because
the fans are like, oh, you can come stay with me.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
You're like, I don't know, you'd rather be in my car, okay.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
One guy's like, I have a house in Louisville, Kentucky
and you can. I'm like, dude, I don't know you,
but thank you. So I understand their kindness. I really do.
Some people might have nefarious, uh you know, thoughts about
what they have with me, but I'm like, no, I
don't know you, and I'm good. I never said I
was destitute. I never said that I'm down to my
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last dollar and I need because they're sending money too,
and I'm like, oh, I never I didn't even post
my I used to on the first few videos. The
people that were assisting me put my cash app on
the on my videos and I didn't even do that
with my PayPal. It was just like so, I never
asked for money. But I'm out of this. I want
people to know that they can do anything, like I said,
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And I'm looking for deals like you know, directors, and
like I said, the number one documentary because the story
needs to be told. It happens way too often, are
far too often with celebrities not getting paid their worth.
This is an old story that should still happen. And
this is the other thing that I wanted to mention.
It doesn't happen as much with our Caucasian counterparts counterparts
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as it does with us, right, more of us, you
know what I mean, than you do with them. You
don't hear about the Dixie Chicks having financial problems. They
never got paid two pennies of record. You don't hear about,
you know, Taylor Swift having financial issues. You don't hear
about Garth Brooks, you know, having It's like all of
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these these are Caucasian counterparts, like said, they have their careers,
They have other things going on in their careers more
than they have financial issues.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Right.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
I think it was what's his name? Uh, he's an
old time singer country singer. I think they raided his
house because of taxes or something like that. But that's
pretty much it with them.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Willie Nelson, was it Himly Nelson?
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Yeah, that's exactly who Okay.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah, And like you said, you talked about the two
pennies of record that was the in Vogue days, and
people know in Vogue broke up because of issues, but
it was really about the finances, right, like these contracts
aren't looking right and I can't continue this if I'm
not going to get paid what my work was.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
It was a little deeper than that, because you know,
I was still going along. We were doing our would
have been EV four album and it became the EV three.
So I'm not going to get into the details of
the past because that's why it's the past. But I
was the only one speaking up, Like Terry had done
a solo album. The record company came to me, same
record company and said, don would you like to do
a solo album? And I was like sure because at
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the time it was just me, Maxine and Cindy waiting
for Terry. I have a picture that I'm going to
put in my book, in in my documentary of me,
Cindy and Terry, Sorry, Me, Cindy, Maxine at Terry's show
when she was just getting ready to go on tour.
We supported her solo album. She had a budget, she
had videos that she had done, she had a tour budget,
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she had finished our complete album, and she was getting
ready to launch that tour and she did a show
at the Pantages in the Los Angeles and Me, Maxine
and Cindy went to support her on that. The record
company came to me maybe a month later and said,
don would you like to do a solo album too?
And I'm like, I had talked with Maxine and Cindy
and we didn't know what to do in the interim,
and I was like, you guys, we need to First
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of all, I know we supported Terry, but this is
not right what they did. And the more I look
at this, it's like it was wrong that they were
in the middle of our career. We're doing well and
we had only done we had only done two albums
and then what they call an EP with one new song,
which was Runaway Love, and so let's see how did
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that work out? So in the interim, here comes Sylvia
Won and then we did don't let Go, which was
for the soundtrack, and that was great, but our career
wasn't big enough for Terry to do a solo album.
I think Sylvia had found out that we were free
and clear from that deal and instead of us going
as a group, because we found out because our attorney
told us, wow, exactly, and Terry went back and told
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our producer because she was dating him. That's not a secret.
I said that in those one hundred and five interviews,
and she told him that we are free and clear
because they didn't renew our option. And when that happened,
Divide and Conquer, we'll put Terry in the studio and
we'll have the other three girls over here just waiting.
And I was like, wait a minute, it's been months.
Terry did an album, she recorded it, that took a
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long time. Then she's practicing, she rehearsing as you say,
she's doing videos that took time. Then she did a
promo tour, and now she's on a major tour that
took all that time. I got to pay my.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Mortgage, right, you still have to work.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Absolutely, And when the laber came to me to do
a solo album, I said yes, And then Maxine and
Sydney called me and they said, Dawn, you did a
solo deal and I said, yeah, I did, and I'm
sorry that I didn't tell you guys. I should have
divulced that to you. However, Terry didn't divulced us that
she was in the studio recording her album. She just
did it. And when we called her, she's like, well,
you guys, I don't really I don't really agree with
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what you want to do, and I want to stay
with Denny and Tommy. Well you signed with us. You
didn't sign with Denny and Tommy. You signed the four
of us signed together with Denny and Tommy as our
production company, so that means divide and conquer. And she's like,
well I feel this way. I'm going to stay over
here with them. And I'm like, wow, okay, so we
have to decide what we're going to do and I'm
not going to lose my house because of her. So
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when the record company came to me months later and said, Dawn,
do you want to do a solo? I should have
thought of it, like, okay, there's probably a tru into
Divide and conquer with me too.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Why why are you guys coming up that's interesting because
I've heard of so many different I randomly just did
something with Cheryl Pepsi Riley the other day and she
was in a group originally before she went solo, and
she was saying how the song that Lisa Lisa had
that was a big song for her. They wanted to
give her that song from Full Forest, and she didn't
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do it because she was in a group, and she
felt like, oh, I can't do that to the group.
But sometimes it is a matter of it is a
survival thing too, because you can be really loyal. But
then later on, she said, later on the group didn't
work out, and I realized I should have you know,
I wonder if it was I wonder.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
If I take you home? And oh, yeah, she had
the opportunity.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
I love Lisa Lisa. Yeah, but my thing is we
we shouldn't have had that financial.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Situation, right, That's the main thing.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Well exactly, and we had sold millions on the first album.
I remember we first when we first came back from
our US when we were back in the stage from
our first time overseas abroad. Uh, I took our manager
backstage because I was confused. I'm like, we just did
these major shows overseas, all of these fans are screaming
for us around the world, and we come home and
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we're still broke. And I took him. We were on
BT backstages at BT and it was just me by myself,
and I asked him, I said, David, and it's just
him and I walking around and we're on the back
lots and I asked him. I said, David, why how
come we're not making money? And he's walking with his
hands beyond his back and he said, you know, that's
a pie in the sky. And said, but David, we
already sold all these millions of records on our first album, like,
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and we just came home. We saw how the fans
feel over there as well. And he's like, yeah, but
that's a pie in the sky. And I'm like, wait
a minute, what do you mean by that pie in
the sky. You gotta sell millions of albums for that.
I said, we did. We sold millions of exactly and
the world loves us, So now I know there's got
to be money there. And he's like, well, you know
(22:57):
it's gonna take some time, dude, Okay, And I'm by myself,
so I'm going against kind of what the girls feel.
But I had to ask those. In my spirit, I've
always seen that something was wrong with this picture. These
girls are loved by the world, were selling all these records.
We have platinum albums on our wall, and yet we
are broke as yeah, you know, come on. It doesn't
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make sense to me, and I'm the only one asking
the question. So I had to shut up, like, don okay,
maybe this is the way it's supposed to go. No.
When I started seeing our producers get mansions and of
course the executive for the record company, I understood that
she had it. That was Sylvia Roon. But Sylvia Rome
became a household word. She was known before that in
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the industry, but she became a household word because of us.
I think that she would give us that credit. She
had her own career that she had built, but we
gave We made her like people were like, oh, yeah,
we know Sylvia Roone. The girls mentioned her because we did.
We made her that name. She had Motley crue. You
don't hear from you know what I mean, other people
about my c but we made her that. So I
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couldn't understand why this black woman too that we admired
so much, wouldn't make sure. But it wasn't her job too.
It was our team's job, our managers, our producers, all
these people that say they love us, that were family,
and the lawyer and our lawyer attorney. Yeah I didn't
put him in there, but yeah, our attorneys, they should
have made sure that we were okay.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
And yeah, and listen, and I know you said, we
don't want to backtrack to that, but I just want
to say, aside from in Vogue and you were such
a standout. I mean, we all love in Vogue, but
I think Dawn, just you is the person that like
we were always excited about. The guys loved you too.
And I said that too when I was talking about it.
It was always like you down from in Vogue, Dawn
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from in Vogue, and then when you joined Lucy Pearl,
you know, more hits, and you did all of that,
but even during that time, you still weren't getting the
money that you were supposed to get and you actually
lost your home during that time.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
I sure did. I did. Lucy Pearl was different. I
was just telling my team that Lucy pro was. I've
known Ray Faield and it's sad about Duayne. I just
want to say my condolence is because I met Dwayne first.
We would be I think my MD for my band.
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He was an older guy, or he was older than us.
I was in high school when I was doing shows
in San Francisco, so I was underage, and I would
have to stay in the back rooms are in there,
like this one place called Qt's. A lot of people
in the Bay Area played QT so they know what
I'm talking about. But I'd have to stay down in
the room where they had all the liquor because if
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I was caught in the room, literally in the club
itself and not on stage, they could lose their liquor lightnse.
So I would have to stay in that room exactly.
So one day I was at the bus step and
I met this guy named Dwayne. He's like, oh, I'm
a guitar player. So I told my band director music director,
this guy, he says he plays, and he came and
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played for us, and he ended up playing my band.
And then he brought Raphael and that's where I met Rafael.
So I've known Raphael since I was sixteen. We were
both sixteen, but he played in my band, so I
was just surprised that not only you know, Raphael, that
we got this thing that you put together. It was
Rafael's baby, but it was all of us together making
this work. I brought the producers Bobby and Glenn. They
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call themselves Jake and the Fat Man, and it's a
white guy actually and a Mexican guy that made the
sound for Lucy Pearl like that. Yeah, Rafael played bass,
so when you hear him on you know whatever, you
hear the bass on that album, that was all Raphael.
But the scratching and all the little moments in that album,
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really it was Bobby and Glenn that made that happen.
Like they were great. I was just shocked because Rafael
could have come to me like I was trying to
tell him, this is Lucy Pearl is your baby, this
is on your your label. This is not a major label.
Like you know, Lucy Pearl has come through you. This
is your idea, you thought it up, and here we are.
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This is your dream come true and we're all here.
When I lost my house, I literally had to go
over the overseas. Here we are again for the first
time with Lucy Pearl, and we were number one on MTV.
I think it was Madonna was number one for I
think three weeks or a month, and we knocked her
off the number one spot. That's how big. Lucy Pearl
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was much bigger overseas actually abroad than we were here.
And the big song for them was still Mess.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
With My Man Dance and I was big here, but.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
They loved it. And we literally had to leave all
that stuff in the car and my makeup artists and
makeup in the room at MTV because they were closing
and the next day it was Saturday and they wouldn't
be open, so we had and we got off the
plane in the car to MTV, did the makeup, and
got on and they presented us with all this like
number one and Raphael, I don't know. I saw it
(27:55):
when we did sprite Night here in the States before
we went abroad. We did. We did spright Night, and
spright Night is just for the fans to know. Spright
Night is like the night before I want to say
the Angelia, you know what spright Night is, right, that's
for the award shows. So I think it's a VH
one Awards.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
So it's something before the awards exactly. It's a big event.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
It's a big event but they have it's actually in
a hotel and they take all the walls down, so
it's like a convention room, but it's massive.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
So there's a bunch of tables and at every single
table there's this different radio station. So you might talk
to Amsterdam over here, you might talk to Chicago exactly right.
But it was Sprite put it on, so they call
it Spright Night. And we're waiting for our next interview.
And Raphael is standing to my left, just right here,
and all these standing we're waiting up against the wall,
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and Lee Bailey from Record Radio One comes walking over
Moss over. He's got his hat on, like looking like
he's in the Safari. He's an older man, and he
comes over and he takes his uh, he's got a
front pocket. He takes his little recorder out and he
puts uh, I guess he's recording. And he's like smiling,
and I was like hrd Lee. We all said high
and Raffael was like damn because he stood between me
(29:12):
and Raphael and he said, damn. Don't you see him
stating here? What the fuck? Excuse me? Yeah, And I
looked at Allie, and I said we are done because
you don't. First of all, this is what I meant
by that is you don't. You don't put someone like
Lee Bailly down. Lee Billy has has been a radio
one for decades. Right, he didn't do anything wrong. He
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was a little bit rude by standing in between us
and not saying excuse me, Raphael. But Raphael took offense
to that because he felt like Lee Belly only wants
to talk to.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Me, and we got yeah, and I feel like I got
Lisha Haye Muhammad is the type of person that's mad chill.
He's okay with being like you know, he's a musician, musician,
and maybe he's okay with not being like you know,
a yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
But Raphael asked me to be a part of the
group because of what I brought. So he was like,
you know, I'll he brings the hip hop abilities. He
brings that part of it. I don't have that. I
bring R and B. But I also bring the pop side,
and Raphaeld wanted that. Raphael brings the R and B side.
We all have something to bring to the table, and
that's why you wanted me. Now you're angry, you're upset
because I'm getting I'm the girl. And anytime there's a
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female in a group, rufus Ha Ka Khan can tell
you that, no doubt, when Stefani can tell you that,
like they can all tell you that. The woman I
saw we were at we were in France and we
were at the airport and there was we were all
getting magazines and candy for our next flight, and I
saw an article with when Sefani telling her group like
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the guys were upset because we all started together at
you know, in Orange County, California as a band. What
is a garage band? And they were like, why are
you getting all the covers like you know, Vogue magazine
and why are you doing all that? And she said, look,
when I do the cover of Vogue, it's because Vogue
doesn't have men on the cover.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Okay, first and no, they really don't.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
And when I do that, though, it brings light to
the whole group.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
It's good for everybody.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Yes, come on and we can get paid. Let's get
this paper.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
And let her do all that work and we'll.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Thank you, right, and let's let's support her. And so
they finally did. It's like that's our girl. Let's Glenn,
and it could have been the same. Lucy Pearl to me,
I love InVogue. I've said this before, so there's no
offense to invoke. I am proud of Invoke. But I
love Lucy Pearl because we put it together ourselves, like
Rafael's idea, but we made up the name, we made
up the sound, we made up the look, which was
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much more rock and roll than I would have done
with in Vogue and Voke was more polished, upscale and Raffael,
And I'm like, Raphael, this is your shit, excuse me,
but it's yours, Like, let's make this work. I'm here,
I lost my house and I'm still smiling. Nobody here
in London, or i should say abroad, is none the
wiser that I lost my house. I'm not sitting on
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camera like you know, angry upset, which I should have
been by all accounts, because you told me one thing
in the beginning, and here we are and I lost
my house and I'm still supporting you. I'm still supporting
Lucy Pearl, and nobody knows anything. I'm smiling. And I
didn't understand that the jealousy jealousy can be. It's very real.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Yeah, it definitely is and that should have never ever
happened to you, like honestly, just with your talent. And
I do want to ask you this, where did your
talent even come from?
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Like did you were you always just able to sing?
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I just want to know where, Like as Dawn as
a child, is this something that people are like, she's amazing?
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Just tell me, like, where does it come from?
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Well, my dad said that I was in the car.
I would always sing with him, trying my little best
at two years old to harmonize, and he heard me singing.
At the time, the Beatles had a song called Michelle
my Bell and it was mostly in French Michelle my
belle son name monk key bonre bien on some is
like the hook. Okay, I'm singing that with my dad
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and he's like, but for the first time I was
singing like a harm of him or something. He's like,
he didn't know the words, the terms, but she's not
singing the same note, but she's on key. He didn't understand,
and he ran in the house with me and telling
my mom bj barbargine. She can sing, and my mom's like, uh,
we're still trying to teach her how to talk like
we you me and he played the song in front
(33:18):
of her and she's like, oh my god. So he
kind of discovered my vocal, but we didn't do anything
with it. My parents when I weren't like, let's get
her an agent, Like we were in a New London, Connecticut.
With Connecticut it was a small town two hours outside
of New York, so they didn't have no connections or
anything like that. But over the years when we moved
to California, especially, I started getting in the studio with
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local people in Oakland a lot of which that's how
I met Like, like I said, I met Dwayne, but
he knew the people that I worked with. So when
I said, oh, I have a band, and he's like, oh,
I know Daryl Clifton, which sadly he passed away recently,
but yeah, he knew him. And in the Bay Area,
there's a lot of music that has come out of
the Bay to like exactly Tower of Power, Sly in
(34:03):
the family Stone, what's her name, Rosie Games to Bless
her Heart, she's so talented, you know. There's even Journey
comes from Nevado, which is maybe about a half hour
from Oakland. Journey came from there, Like there's a lot
of artists and a lot of music that comes out
of the Bay. So my talent just to get back
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that to that. My mom sings a little bit, but
never in church, never in front of people. My dad either,
but they they would sing all the time. There was
always a house field of music, and my parents would
bring like my mother would bring both of them together,
would say, bring Soul, you know, R and B back
then Tower of Power, like all those bands even they
came from the Bay. And then my dad brought the
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rock and roll side and my mom was cool with that.
A lot of the albums. When he passed away, I
was like, this looks like Mom's signature. She would put
his name on all the albums. If he didn't know him, mo,
she would like, I don't know. I just felt like
I wanted to write Robbie or Johnny on there, and
she did, and so I would. I had shown her
when he passed away. I had a lot of his
(35:10):
albums in his record collection. She's like, oh my god,
I mean Chicago, you know, the Eagles, all those albums.
She would write his name on all of it. That's
the music that my dad brought. So when he passed away,
I could not be like I would be in I
don't know target and I'm hearing the beatles overhead. I
would put down whatever I had and run because I
didn't want to hear it. It would hurt me. But
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I learned to embrace that. I'm like, you know what,
whenever I hear the beatles or the Beg's or the
eagles or whoever, the carpenters even, I was like, you
know what, let me embrace that because I can't run.
I'm like, okay, Dad, this is you. Let me. Okay, Dad,
I love you. I'm glad you're here. That's him telling
me that he's with me. So that my talent came
(35:54):
from my parents. But they weren't the typical singers. They
weren't like my mom was not in church singing like that.
She did sing, she had her solos every now and then,
but she wasn't like pursuing.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
I mean, at two, it kind of is like something
that you hadn't learned, but you just had the natural.
Because even when you're talking, boy, it sounds like you
can sing.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Think oh wow, thank you so much. People say that
a lot my speaking voice. But my mom there's a
picture of my mother that I'm gonna put in my
book again and my documentary. She's in the living room.
She said, I had to be six weeks old. So
I was sleeping in the bacinette in the room and
she's with her friends and they're literally doing Stop in
the Name of Love, like you know, they thought they
(36:34):
were the Supremes. She used to look as a younger woman,
looked like Diana Ross when she was younger, but she
never really pursued it. But it's like, Okay, when my
daughter grows up, she's gonna be in a girl group.
So I think I have the music because she listened
to so much what I tell you. When I moved
in with them in twenty fifteen and I moved in
(36:54):
with my stepdad and my mom in Vegas, I pulled
out my collection because it was all in the garage,
and I would pull out stuff and my mom was like,
oh my god, you have that one, and she's like,
I have that too, but do you have this other album?
And we were like comparing albums and we would just
play music all day long like I used to when
I was a kid. And she told my stepdad he
came into my life. I think I was fourteen, so
(37:16):
he's been with me, you know, most of my life
with my mom. But she said she told him, she
said Bobby before, when Dorn was really little, she would
go from Stephanie Mills to Chaka Khan to my higher register,
which was Denise Williams and Minnie Ripperton. Those whistle notes. Yeah,
I was doing that. I had the tape tape Angela.
(37:39):
I had to be twelve thirteen years old, and the
guy had a makeshift studio. He didn't have much because
they didn't know about studios back then, but he had
a real to reel and he recorded me on what
he calls what they call panning. And you know this
in the studio, you probably know they panned her voice,
Minnie Ripperton's voice to the left, and they panned my
voice to the right. So you hear me at four
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hitting those notes with her like it was nothing. And
I was fourteen years old, so I've just had that
gift was just there. And my mom was like, well,
we can't. New York is a little too fast. Although
she's a city girl, New York was a little too
fast for her to take me there and look for
agents when I was sixteen or seventeen years old. My
dad lived in New York, but it's like he didn't
know any connections, right, So when he moved to California,
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She's like, well, let's maybe we should go to California.
Maybe we should move there for Dawn and data because
Dana has her own dreams and her own My.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Sister, that's amazing, And you've you've referenced this book, your
autobiography as well as the documentary.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
So how far along are you with that.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
My documentary is It's hard because when you're telling your
own story, I have a habit of reading what I
have already and I can't get past that because I'm
correcting things and all that didn't happen, like remember Terry
did this and Maccine said that, or I did this,
and I'm I'm editing as I go along, and it's
the worst thing to do. I think I have to
(39:02):
get a ghostwriter to the best way I knew how
to write my book when I have so I have
an introduction and two chapters. And the best way that
I worked on my book so far has worked for
me is I had an assistant early on. Mind you
I have to go back to talk about the assistant
(39:23):
part in a minute, but I'll talk about the book
real quick. The way that this person did it. Actually,
he was a manager, so I'll say that he would
ask me questions. He had a dictaphone, and he'd ask
me questions that I'm not even thinking of, because as fans,
they can see things that I'm not thinking about. Stuff
I forgot about it. I'm like, oh my god, I
didn't even know. Okay, let me and I'd answer that
and he's like, and what did you do for this?
(39:45):
I'm like, wow, I didn't even think of the audition,
so it was only he said, what was the audition? Like?
Was it a cattle call? Did you have like hundreds
of girls? I'm like, no, but thanks for asking. There
was only six girls. It wasn't a whole lot. I
think maybe seventeen women all together over, not just the
day that we auditioned, but before that they had a
few more women. And then he asked me some other stuff,
(40:05):
and I'm like, oh boy. So that's the best way
that I know how to write my book because it
takes me out of my own story and prompts memories
that I'm not thinking about oh my god, you want
to know that part. Okay, so this is what happened
with Terry or Maxine or me, and this is what
we all did.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Yeah, you're right, that's the best way.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
To write a book.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Angie Martinez about her book and I was telling her
about growing up in New York and some of the
things that she did that was so monumental for us,
and she was like, I didn't think that was.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
A big deal.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
And there's things that people that love you or that
know you might be like, wow, this was a bit
and you might be not even thinking that's something you
would have put in a book. And sometimes it is
good to have people bring things up and ask you
those questions.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Exactly, I wouldn't even think that it was of interest,
but the questions prompt the next thing, and it takes
me out of that one subject because I'll hang there
for a while and I'm talking about that over and
over and over again, like the odd It's like, you
remember in anybody's life. We tend to, as human beings,
remember the big moments. You remember when you graduated high
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school and went to college, or you remember your first
job or your first boyfriend or husband or wife. You
remember your first breakup, you remember losing your job, like
things that impacted your life. You remember those things, but
it's the little stuff in between. I'm like, I don't
remember what I said to Terry a Maxine on the
tour bus or what you know, and so the ghostwriter
(41:29):
helps to prompt those memories.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Well, we can't wait to see that and read that,
because I know your story just even from listening, and
to your point, I want to say, even when people
watch your YouTube, you do tell some stories. It may
feel like it was a small moment, but it left
a big impact, you know, for you, even in how
you think and how you approach things exactly. You know,
(41:51):
But I know, listen, I'm just happy because I know
for you, I wanted to make sure that this interview
felt comfortable, you know, for you to be able to
discuss everything that's been going on and going viral. And
I wanted to make sure that people heard this, you
know from you. I know you released a statement and said, look,
this is you know. People have been sending cash apps
and by the way, don keep those all right, if
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they sent them to you directly, don't.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Return them, just keep them. Yeah, please, just keep that.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
I was grateful, but I'm like, you, guys, I didn't
ask for money, and oh they're so sweet. It's like
some people like I don't have much, but here's ten
dollars or fifty dollars or twenty or even five. I'm like,
I don't care if it's a fifty cent piece. I
didn't need your money. But I'm grateful that you see
me in a certain way that you want to help.
I'm grateful for that. But you know, like I said,
I have these people helping me.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Focus on the focus on the love, and that's what
I want to say. Just focus on the love, focus
on the positivity.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
And it's been.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Exactly it's been three years of car life. And I
know you said it's temporary. So what's the next step, Like,
do you already have it planned out? How do you
know when it's like okay, time to do something else.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
Well, it depends on the deals that are on the table.
And it's not that I did this episode for that.
I just knew. I knew how much of an impact
this was gonna have. I just knew it. And it
was like I know that once I tell this story,
I'm gonna be you're gonna be beat up. This is
because again, like I told you when I first sat down,
that it's gonna be there's gonna be the negativity because
(43:23):
they have to put that out there. They have to
be negative and nasty. And that's okay. I'm used to that.
Got You gotta have a thick skin when you're in
this industry, as you know.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
I know.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
But once I feel like there's a deal on the
table that is right for me to be able to
move out of my car, and I want to also
capture that, I want to capture you guys, go this
is the deal that came through for me. I can't
really tell you right now what it is, but it's
enough to get me out of my situation and into
a place because I don't want to just grab an
apartment and it's like it's temporary. Then I'm be back
(43:55):
in this situation. So I want to know that all
my ducks are in a row and business is taken
care of what it's supposed to.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
So yeah, I see a mini RV sponsorship. I see
all kinds of things too, by the way, because I
mean this didn't bring attention, like you said, it is
a whole community of people that are doing this, and
it did bring attention to it. But what is a
deal that you would like if you could say, Okay,
here's what I'm looking for to put it out there,
(44:21):
what is something that Don is looking for?
Speaker 1 (44:22):
You've been through a lot, you've been through.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
I think the not good deals help you realize what
you need in the future.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
What does Don want?
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Well, when I'm putting together my team already and I
already have a boy, she does a lot of things.
But Melanie, you know, yes, yeah, she's right here. And
Melanie is like she's she's a ghost writer too. She's
also doing a lot of She did the statement for me,
so publicists slashed a lot of different things.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
And protector because you need that.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
Ye, yes, exactly. She's definitely protecting. But I would say
the first looking at car life, there's a lot of
things that I realized that I need it in my
car that they're not there. So, in other words, it's
stuff that you can storage and a car is different
than storage and a home, and it doesn't work the
same because your car is moving constantly and everything's sliding
(45:15):
around and I'm like, oh my god. So I had
the mindset to buy. You know, those things from Target
that you can put down actually from dollartry, but in
your kitchen. You can put them in your cabinets and
you cut them to the side and it stops stuff
from moving around because it's kind of rubber eyes. But
for the car, it still doesn't work in the car
as well as it would. So there's things I call it. Well,
(45:38):
I'm not going to tell my story because if I
tell that, then somebody else will take my idea. But
stuff for the car, car accessories that are not there,
you know, typically the way they would be in a house,
it's different for car. And then I think the first
thing would be to do the story and put it
out there. I don't know, because the book. You know,
how when you watch a movie and the book is
(45:59):
better than than the movie, I'm like, do I do
the book first, to do the movie first? I don't.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
I don't know, Probably probably the book and then get
the movie rights done.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
And but you know, I mean, you know, but.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
However you decide, I say, a documentary a book, and
then the movie based off of the book, and the
documentary you.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
Know, well, the book, but the book can be the
script for the movie.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Right, that's hard because.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
They can only get so much in a movie that
they can't get. The book has so much more. It
expounds on everything. Where you only have two hours or
two hours, two and a half hours for.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
Well, that happens with books, like you never go to
get everything in the movie. That's why you got to
read the book because you're not going to get them.
And sometimes they change the story a little bit for
it to make sense like in a movie. So you know,
that's why that's important. But I am really happy that
I can see you know you are in good spirits
and as you know, as people were questioning, like what's
going on here? Like I said, and I watched the
(47:00):
full thing, so I understood where you were coming from.
But I know that clips can also influence people's minds,
people weighing in and and things like that. So I
appreciate you taking the time to even talk to me today.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
Well, thank you for even asking me. I just want
to clear up though, because the whole ex thing, I
was like, what the heck is that I haven't heard
from this man. I don't know what he's talking about,
offering me anything, and who the hell in their right mind? Again?
The fans took care of it for me, but who
in their right mind? You're an ex for a reason,
right right? Yeah, don't come and try to take my shine, Like, dude,
(47:36):
get your own. This is what I would have told him,
because I don't contact with him, But if I did,
I would say, do you notice that I don't ever
come try to find you, I never email you, I
never look for you, and anytime I have something going
on here he comes slithering around like a snake.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
You know.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
It's like, dude, I didn't what are you talking about?
And you had One fan said why couldn't you have
kept that between you and Dawn? Then if you offered
her jo, why did you have to come to TMC
and tell them that? And then here comes TMZ asking me, well,
your ex husband offered a place for you to live,
or I offered you a job, and somebody else wants
to offer you a place to live. I don't want
anything from these people. I never asked. I have a
(48:11):
place to sleep every single night in my car, like
I've done for three years and protected myself exactly. You know, again,
once I have the situation that I want on my own,
then I'll take that and I'm not going to take
it from you because I didn't ask you for it.
First of all, people sometimes, like I said, the control thing,
they want to lock you down, you know, and so
I would not do that. I would I don't talk
(48:32):
to my ex.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Has anybody if I'm in Vogue reached out like watching
that or seeing that?
Speaker 1 (48:37):
Do you still speak to them?
Speaker 3 (48:38):
Good question. I was shocked by that. But they probably
know I'm tired of going back and forth to the group.
Every single time I go back, I go back. We
have deals on the table that makes sense to me
and would make sense anybody else who has a brain
in their hand. I'm sorry. I got to just speak truthful.
This is who I am. They picked the wrong deal
every single time, and so they know that I'm not
(49:00):
going to come back and deal with the Shenanigans again.
So they probably like, Dan's not going to come back. No,
I told them the last time we had the opportunity
to do this the right way us. They Sindy and
Terry have a member in the group that she's very
nice to me. Like I said before I did those
one hundred and five interviews in twenty twenty, very nice
to me. Rona has never done anything nefarious or nasty
(49:22):
in my direction. I like her. She's a very nice person.
I just wanted to celebrate our fans with just the
four of us because Rona wasn't there from the beginning, okay,
And I just felt like it was especially in what
was it twenty twenty that was our twenty year anniversary?
Was it? I think? So? I want no? Twenty ten
was our twenty year anniversary. So I wanted to share
(49:45):
that with the fans, what we created from day one
in the trenches, in living out of suitcases on the
road and shaking hands, kissing babies and hugging fans. I
wanted to give that to the fans ourselves without Rona around.
And Cindy was like, it was just her and I
in the room, kind of going back to because Terry
kind of stands back and let's she lands the fire
and then she acts like she doesn't do anything. So
(50:06):
she's sitting there and she always did that. That was
Terry's m O. And I said to Cindy, she said, well,
don you know how she talks like don But you've
only been with us for thirteen years. Rona's been with
us for thirteen years and you've only you were only
with us for eight And I said, yeah, I understand that,
but Rona hasn't brought a hit to you guys, not one,
(50:28):
and Maxie and I bring hits. I saying the biggest
hit that we have, Like, come on, I mean no
offense to Rona, but let's celebrate. When we did the
Alicia Keys thing, I want to say two thousand and
seven or eight, the girls asked me to come back,
and Alicia Keys made it very very clear that she
wanted the original four right. She didn't want any stand in.
(50:50):
She did no offense to anybody, but she wanted the
Original four and the girls understood that, and they told
Rona that she could not be there. Well, why is
it that when Dawn says it, or the fans are
saying it, even they're not paying attention to that, they're
still ignoring it, like as if they don't hear what
the fans are saying. The fans are making it very
clear that they wanted me, Maxine, Cindy and Terry, and
(51:12):
I'm not going to be where I'm not wanted, So
I'm not going to fight to get back into something
I've already come back every single time you guys ask
me to come back, and then you make stupid decisions
and I have to walk away.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
Well listen, give it it loose. That's what we.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
Said for your mind. Okay, just not holding on. I
don't let go.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
Letting go for every mood, okay, exactly. Yeah, all right,
well don again. I appreciate you so much, and again
you are an icon. So just a pleasure to be
able to talk to you. And now everybody watch the
YouTube and make sure they're paying attention and watching the blogs.
Let that at least set it off for everything else
(51:54):
for you.
Speaker 3 (51:55):
Official Dawn Robinson it is and Seane is spelled s
h y y e, so it's not I had to
get a different spelling because the other ones were taken.
But it works just fine, Shine.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
Okay, all right, I appreciate you so much.
Speaker 3 (52:07):
Thank you, Thank you, Angela, thank you so much. Way
up
What's up? His way up with Angela?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Yee, And first of all, you guys know, I have
always said how much of a fan I am of
this woman right here, and she recently went viral, but
I've been talking about what a fan I am even
before that.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Don Robinson is joining us via zoom. What's up? Don Robinson?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Oh? I'm good. How are you? Angela?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I'm doing well and you look amazing.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Thank you, Thank you. I'm little frazzled, but I'm here
and I'm grateful. Thank you so much, you guys for
having me, your whole team, everybody way up. I appreciate
being here well.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
And I know you did not anticipate going viral the
way that you did most recently because you've been doing
this blog where you've.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Been opening up to people about yourself. You've had this YouTube.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Channel for over a year, but then you got really
honest on this latest episode. So I know we want
to start there where you said, Okay, I just want
to let people know what I'm up to, So talk
to me about why you decided right then to do that.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Well, I had even in the video itself, episode six,
I had said to everybody that you know, I wanted
to talk about this episode in my life a long
time ago, like when I first started my channel, I
wanted to start. I wanted to talk about this subject
and car life and I can't believe it's like it's
(01:26):
crazy because I had one idea about what this was
going to be and I thought, Wow, I'm just going
to put it out to my little fan you know
what I mean, the fans on my channel, and it
took off in a way that I could not have imagined.
But I'm so grateful that it did. A lot of
people are understanding exactly what I'm saying. Some people are
even what's wonderful is that the car life people, Van
(01:47):
life people, our v life people are really happy. They're like, Wow,
she gets it. She's free right now, and she understands
it's temporary. I said that I've been saying that that
is a temporary situation. It's not forever. But I wanted
people to understand, like I said in the video, that
they can do anything that no matter what's coming in
(02:08):
your life, you handle it like you handle it and
don't think that it's the end of the world. You
figure out a way to get through that thing. And
if doin can do this, then you know, you guys
could do anything. And other people are taking it like
very negative and they're you know, they're trying to make
it ugly. I actually got teary for a minute because
I was like, Wow, it's like my whole little world
(02:28):
of car life, this temporary time in my life. It's
a journey, and journeys take, you know, different turns, and
sometimes you're up here and sometimes you're down and sometimes
and you work it out. And right now I've done that.
And when I put it out to the world and
everybody starts tearing it apart. So I was upset with
that part. But I'm like, you know what this there's
always gonna be negative, nasty people that have to you know,
(02:51):
try to put their fingers and stuff. So I was like, okay,
let it be that. It's okay. I didn't have to
say a word, though, Angela, because the hand the fans
handled all the negativity. So they tore them up. Yeah,
they did so.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
And I think the main point for that, right your
new life is in the scary That's what it's about.
This is something that you said you wanted to do,
and look, I think it's important for people to put
the whole thing in context, because you describe what you
had been through even before that, a series of circumstances
that happen with your you know, previous I don't know
if that's your co manager, and then all of that
(03:25):
and how that kind of led up to you, like
staying in a hotel then not getting a place. But
people do have to I think watch the whole thing
because they were clips that were posted, and so it
made it seem like, how did this happen? She just
all of a sudden, is you know, homeless living in
her car. But it was actually something that one day
you were like, you know what, I'm going to try this.
You had been thinking about it, and you said, I
(03:47):
want to do this car life thing.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I said, I did research, which is crazy. It's like
they're like, it's almost like people think that I was
just like thrown into Carliff and I had no she's
just homeless. It's not that at all. I'm inde a choice,
I said, I could have stayed at the hotels, or
I could have worked it out even with my manager
to stay with him, Like how can we make room
in your apartment? He has a one bedroom one bathroom sudden.
(04:10):
It's like they wanted they saw what they wanted to see.
They didn't see what I said. They made like I said,
They tore it apart and made certain parts like she's
homeless all this. You know, I'm like I said. Other
celebrities have have been have slept in their van, the
case with Marvin Gay was in a van bread van,
(04:31):
and even with Charlie Wilson, by his own admission, was
on the street. Now I'm not that, but that's the
way they made it seem, the perception that they wanted
it to be. It was like, Dawn is homeless and
she's destituted, and she needs money, and let's help her.
And I'm like, you guys, I love I love the
ones that came for me. Like I have a place,
I have a room and extra room. You could stay
with me. I'm like, I don't. My car is right
(04:52):
now temporarily, my room my home, and but I'm building
my life from here. It's like that. And somebody said,
somebody said, oh no, she's not homeless. Look at her nails.
She got a nase, so it's called polish.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
And somebody also said, she has an assistant weigh in
and saying, you know, this is her choice, this is
what she wants to do.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
She has an assistant. You're not you know, on house
with an assistant right exactly.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
And for that comment, I was like, first of all,
I've only met him once in my life if that,
I remember being around, but not directly meeting him, So
I don't even think we said hello and shook hands
or get but hugged. So I was shocked. Usually artists
to artists, don't you know what I mean? He's a producer,
but he's still an artist. We don't attack each other
like that, like you would swear that he knows me directly,
(05:39):
like he knows my story and why it's like, where
are you coming from? It was a shocked but I'm
like some people have to just be negative, and he
doesn't know my story, so he's assuming instead of reaching
out to me directly and saying, hey, you know, I
heard about your situation. What do you need? Are you okay?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Or you know what?
Speaker 3 (05:56):
I don't know her story, but she's being very brave,
like be quiet if you don't know the story, just
keep your mouth shut. I would never go in on
someone else's situation if I don't know the details. So
I was shocked by that. But again, some people just
have to chime in, and he got drug. The fans
were like, no, that's not true, and you lost a
fan because you shouldn't have come for her. She didn't
(06:17):
ask for you. It was unnecessary.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
And this is a journey you're documenting because you said
that you've been documenting this and perhaps this is something
that we'll see in its entirety, So can you talk
to me about that and what is kind of this
documentation because it's something that once you talked about it,
I was like, Okay, you kind of had to learn
how to navigate through things to make sure that you
stay safe. You said you have a gym membership, so
(06:41):
that's how you manage to take a shower.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
But you watched the whole thing, Angela, you're on it.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, I mean I was done. I watched like all
the episodes.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I watched you talking about being a child and you know,
wearing an outfit with one black tight and one white
tight on, and I watched.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I mean that tells you.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I'm a fan.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
So yes, And think on the positive side, it did
alert people to the fact that you have a YouTube channel,
and I saw all the struggles you went through with that,
with trying to get help, and it made me think
to myself about you wanting to It's hard sometimes when
you have to rely on other people for things, and
it feels like to me that throughout your career you've
been let down a lot of things that may be
(07:22):
out of your control, and so maybe this is a
way of taking back control exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
That's exactly what it is. I did this again. I
could have There's certain people that will take advantage of
somebody else helping them. In other words, a gold digger
type chick would have been like, you know what, he's
gone me in a hotel and stay in a hotel
for as long as it takes, even though he's I'm
not his type. It's like he's a gay man, but
you know, they would have taken advantage of that. And
(07:49):
I was like, I know this has to be financially
hard for you, so I'm not going to stay in
this hotel. But I could have done that. And I
was like, you know what, I feel like I'm being controlled.
As opposed to that, I'm going to take a bit.
I'm going to take control of my own life. And
I've been checking out this car life thing. Like I said,
I researched it, so I'm going to do that, and
that was taking control of my own life.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
How was it for you at the beginning when you
first started, because I know you said the main thing
first was safety. There were some things that you had
to learn along the way.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
So what was your question?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
How was it when you first started, like with the
car life, because like you said, safety was an issue,
you wanted to make sure that because there is a
whole community, so you had to learn like who you
could trst, who you could interest. But what are some
of the things that you learned early on when you
first started in car life?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
So the wind the safety is this, you don't want
people looking inside your car and side your windows and
just being able to access you that way. So I
had first I had a lot of long sleeve shirts,
especially when I was in Vegas. I was the first
time I was ever in my car, and I had
long sleeve shirts that I would tie together to cover
my windows. And then I was like, well, you can
(08:56):
still kind of see in the middle of certain things.
So I went online and I was like, oh, hey,
I have this particular car. I want to learn how
this guy was saying, if you have this particular car,
you buy black plastic bags and you put them up
to the window and then you close your window and
it'll it'll hold it in there when you when you
close the window, it'll be held in there. And that
worked for a while, and I was like, well, wait
(09:17):
a minute, it's gotta be even a better way than that.
So I researched Amazon and again my assistant see this
is the thing, and they were like, oh, she's got
her hair done. Well, how am I supposed to look
in my car? I'm not gonna look I will never
look like my circumstances. So my assistant Nisi, sister Nisi,
was like, Diva, they have these things for your window
(09:38):
that like a screen, and I was like, oh my god,
that would be So we researched the right ones for me,
and then she got them for me. So I have
these screens that you can open up from the inside
and you can kind of see out, but nobody can
see it. And when I close them on the inside,
you really can't see it. That's how I drive every day,
those things that are still on my winds. So that
kind of stuff that gave me the safety or the
(09:59):
secure already have safety that I needed. Making sure that
your doors are locked. I mean, it's the temple. It's
like we say that living in a car is so scary,
but it's like you can be in your apartment and
somebody busts the door in, and it's the same, Like
you're not that much safer in your apartment than you
are in a car. And I know it seems like
it's more risky. Probably is a little bit, but anything
(10:21):
can happen in your apartment or house just like you
can in your car. So come on, y'all, I don't
know it just like they wanted to make it a
big deal or a bigger deal than it is. And
I've learned to every time somebody says to me, oh
my god, you're not scared, I'm like should I be?
Like should I be scared? Because you guys are making
it seem like I'm like, no, I've never had that fear. Right,
(10:44):
this is an awakening. It's an awakening for me, you know.
So I feel like I said that too in the video,
like this is this is time for healing my mom,
and I like, don't have that relationship that I really want,
like I said, and if I said that stuff not
to put my mother on blast. I absolutely love. I've
always admired my mom. My mother moved my sister and
(11:07):
I from Connecticut to California on her own and started
a new life as a single mother with two kids,
Like you can move and do your thing when you're single,
but two kids, like she really made it work. And
I had to remind her of that throughout my life, like, Mom,
you remember you did this, like you're so strong. It's like,
oh my god, you're right. But something happened with that
(11:27):
relationship and there was anger. I was like, whoa, what
is happening? I almost thought maybe early stages of dementia
until I mentioned something to her. She's like, yes, I did.
I said that, I'd say it again. Okay, so you
knew what you were saying, you know, when you had
to mention like, no, I don't remember that. I didn't
say that. I would never say that to you, But
she knew, and she didn't atone for what she said.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I saw.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
She She commented after all this and said that you
would give you a hug if she saw you, and
that you have.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
To say that to make herself you know what I mean.
There's certain types of narcissism that I've heard about or
learned about in my lifetime. My ex is one of them.
My mother's a certain type, and so she doesn't want
to look like I'm not trying to make a look
bad as a mother. She's been an amazing mother throughout
my lifetime. But as she's gotten older, something happened when
(12:20):
I lived with her again, and I'm like, this is
not the same woman, this is not this is not
Barbara Gane. So she did it. They were so anxious
to get an interview with her, and I was like,
why are these people reaching out so hard on my mom.
I didn't get to her, and she didn't contact me
to say, hey, do on these people want to talk
to me. That's what it used to be back in
the day, right. She just did the interview with them
(12:43):
and saying she's not going to say, well, yeah, this
is what I wish would have happened. It would have
been nice if my mom said, you know what, my
daughter and I I said some things to my daughter
that were not very nice, and I regret those things,
but we'll do with that with each other. I love her,
that's it. You don't have to kiss my ass. Not
asking that at all. I'm just you know, she could
have just taken accountability. I guess that would have been great,
(13:07):
but she didn't do that.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
And you mentioned your excel when I saw he also
said he offered you a job.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Home like Angela, like, would you work with your ex?
I'm just asking maybe maybe it was. Some people are
very good friends and they leave that door open for
that to happen. But this was not that.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
And I haven't heard friends with his father though, right,
you are friends with his mother, because I remember you said, oh, no, okay,
I didn't know if this is I know you said that.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I felt like you said your mother in law. You
were still oh.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
So these are two different extrads. This is the one
that came out and made these comments and coming out
like he has to take my shine because he doesn't
have shine of his own. So he made comments that
he shouldn't have made. I haven't heard from him about
a job, and why would I take a job from
an ex. One of the fans, or a few of
the fans, were like, he's an X four reasons, Yeah, no,
(13:55):
the forever mother in law is I was never married
to her son.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I just dated him.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
I was common law marriage. I guess you could say.
And she's she's my mother in law. I call her mom.
I still call her ma Velma.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Okay, now I want to ask you from all of
this that has happened and all of the hoopla around
this YouTube that you posted and your series is called
it Shine, so people can go and watch all of
this because you are very connected to your fans, which
is why you actually even wanted to do this page
to give more of yourself so people can understand where
you're coming from. Because we've seen you in interviews, we've
(14:30):
watched your performances, we've seen all of that. But this
is a good way for you to keep that connection going.
What is going to happen now that you've done that.
There's been all this hoopla. What's next for Donna? There
are opportunities that came from this.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Oh my goodness, the world is my oyster Angela. It's
like I could not have imagined. In a few hours
time after I released that video so quickly my channel
was about one thousand and ninety two or no, I
need seven fans, and then it jumped to five thousand
within a couple of hours, and then I was driving
(15:06):
to Panera cause that's where I work and charge all
my stuff up. And by the time I got there,
it was seven thousand, and then the next morning it
was twelve thousand, and then later that same day it
was fifteen thousand. Like it's just this is amazing to me.
And from this, like I want to get offers because
the fans are like, oh, you can come stay with me.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
You're like, I don't know, you'd rather be in my car, okay.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
One guy's like, I have a house in Louisville, Kentucky
and you can. I'm like, dude, I don't know you,
but thank you. So I understand their kindness. I really do.
Some people might have nefarious, uh you know, thoughts about
what they have with me, but I'm like, no, I
don't know you, and I'm good. I never said I
was destitute. I never said that I'm down to my
(15:52):
last dollar and I need because they're sending money too,
and I'm like, oh, I never I didn't even post
my I used to on the first few videos. The
people that were assisting me put my cash app on
the on my videos and I didn't even do that
with my PayPal. It was just like so, I never
asked for money. But I'm out of this. I want
people to know that they can do anything, like I said,
(16:13):
And I'm looking for deals like you know, directors, and
like I said, the number one documentary because the story
needs to be told. It happens way too often, are
far too often with celebrities not getting paid their worth.
This is an old story that should still happen. And
this is the other thing that I wanted to mention.
It doesn't happen as much with our Caucasian counterparts counterparts
(16:36):
as it does with us, right, more of us, you
know what I mean, than you do with them. You
don't hear about the Dixie Chicks having financial problems. They
never got paid two pennies of record. You don't hear about,
you know, Taylor Swift having financial issues. You don't hear
about Garth Brooks, you know, having It's like all of
(16:56):
these these are Caucasian counterparts, like said, they have their careers,
They have other things going on in their careers more
than they have financial issues.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Right.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
I think it was what's his name? Uh, he's an
old time singer country singer. I think they raided his
house because of taxes or something like that. But that's
pretty much it with them.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Willie Nelson, was it Himly Nelson?
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Yeah, that's exactly who Okay.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah, And like you said, you talked about the two
pennies of record that was the in Vogue days, and
people know in Vogue broke up because of issues, but
it was really about the finances, right, like these contracts
aren't looking right and I can't continue this if I'm
not going to get paid what my work was.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
It was a little deeper than that, because you know,
I was still going along. We were doing our would
have been EV four album and it became the EV three.
So I'm not going to get into the details of
the past because that's why it's the past. But I
was the only one speaking up, Like Terry had done
a solo album. The record company came to me, same
record company and said, don would you like to do
a solo album? And I was like sure because at
(18:04):
the time it was just me, Maxine and Cindy waiting
for Terry. I have a picture that I'm going to
put in my book, in in my documentary of me,
Cindy and Terry, Sorry, Me, Cindy, Maxine at Terry's show
when she was just getting ready to go on tour.
We supported her solo album. She had a budget, she
had videos that she had done, she had a tour budget,
(18:27):
she had finished our complete album, and she was getting
ready to launch that tour and she did a show
at the Pantages in the Los Angeles and Me, Maxine
and Cindy went to support her on that. The record
company came to me maybe a month later and said,
don would you like to do a solo album too?
And I'm like, I had talked with Maxine and Cindy
and we didn't know what to do in the interim,
and I was like, you guys, we need to First
(18:48):
of all, I know we supported Terry, but this is
not right what they did. And the more I look
at this, it's like it was wrong that they were
in the middle of our career. We're doing well and
we had only done we had only done two albums
and then what they call an EP with one new song,
which was Runaway Love, and so let's see how did
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that work out? So in the interim, here comes Sylvia
Won and then we did don't let Go, which was
for the soundtrack, and that was great, but our career
wasn't big enough for Terry to do a solo album.
I think Sylvia had found out that we were free
and clear from that deal and instead of us going
as a group, because we found out because our attorney
told us, wow, exactly, and Terry went back and told
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our producer because she was dating him. That's not a secret.
I said that in those one hundred and five interviews,
and she told him that we are free and clear
because they didn't renew our option. And when that happened,
Divide and Conquer, we'll put Terry in the studio and
we'll have the other three girls over here just waiting.
And I was like, wait a minute, it's been months.
Terry did an album, she recorded it, that took a
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long time. Then she's practicing, she rehearsing as you say,
she's doing videos that took time. Then she did a
promo tour, and now she's on a major tour that
took all that time. I got to pay my.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Mortgage, right, you still have to work.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Absolutely, And when the laber came to me to do
a solo album, I said yes, And then Maxine and
Sydney called me and they said, Dawn, you did a
solo deal and I said, yeah, I did, and I'm
sorry that I didn't tell you guys. I should have
divulced that to you. However, Terry didn't divulced us that
she was in the studio recording her album. She just
did it. And when we called her, she's like, well,
you guys, I don't really I don't really agree with
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what you want to do, and I want to stay
with Denny and Tommy. Well you signed with us. You
didn't sign with Denny and Tommy. You signed the four
of us signed together with Denny and Tommy as our
production company, so that means divide and conquer. And she's like,
well I feel this way. I'm going to stay over
here with them. And I'm like, wow, okay, so we
have to decide what we're going to do and I'm
not going to lose my house because of her. So
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when the record company came to me months later and said, Dawn,
do you want to do a solo? I should have
thought of it, like, okay, there's probably a tru into
Divide and conquer with me too.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Why why are you guys coming up that's interesting because
I've heard of so many different I randomly just did
something with Cheryl Pepsi Riley the other day and she
was in a group originally before she went solo, and
she was saying how the song that Lisa Lisa had
that was a big song for her. They wanted to
give her that song from Full Forest, and she didn't
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do it because she was in a group, and she
felt like, oh, I can't do that to the group.
But sometimes it is a matter of it is a
survival thing too, because you can be really loyal. But
then later on, she said, later on the group didn't
work out, and I realized I should have you know,
I wonder if it was I wonder.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
If I take you home? And oh, yeah, she had
the opportunity.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
I love Lisa Lisa. Yeah, but my thing is we
we shouldn't have had that financial.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Situation, right, That's the main thing.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Well exactly, and we had sold millions on the first album.
I remember we first when we first came back from
our US when we were back in the stage from
our first time overseas abroad. Uh, I took our manager
backstage because I was confused. I'm like, we just did
these major shows overseas, all of these fans are screaming
for us around the world, and we come home and
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we're still broke. And I took him. We were on
BT backstages at BT and it was just me by myself,
and I asked him, I said, David, and it's just
him and I walking around and we're on the back
lots and I asked him. I said, David, why how
come we're not making money? And he's walking with his
hands beyond his back and he said, you know, that's
a pie in the sky. And said, but David, we
already sold all these millions of records on our first album, like,
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and we just came home. We saw how the fans
feel over there as well. And he's like, yeah, but
that's a pie in the sky. And I'm like, wait
a minute, what do you mean by that pie in
the sky. You gotta sell millions of albums for that.
I said, we did. We sold millions of exactly and
the world loves us, So now I know there's got
to be money there. And he's like, well, you know
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it's gonna take some time, dude, Okay, And I'm by myself,
so I'm going against kind of what the girls feel.
But I had to ask those. In my spirit, I've
always seen that something was wrong with this picture. These
girls are loved by the world, were selling all these records.
We have platinum albums on our wall, and yet we
are broke as yeah, you know, come on. It doesn't
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make sense to me, and I'm the only one asking
the question. So I had to shut up, like, don okay,
maybe this is the way it's supposed to go. No.
When I started seeing our producers get mansions and of
course the executive for the record company, I understood that
she had it. That was Sylvia Roon. But Sylvia Rome
became a household word. She was known before that in
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the industry, but she became a household word because of us.
I think that she would give us that credit. She
had her own career that she had built, but we
gave We made her like people were like, oh, yeah,
we know Sylvia Roone. The girls mentioned her because we did.
We made her that name. She had Motley crue. You
don't hear from you know what I mean, other people
about my c but we made her that. So I
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couldn't understand why this black woman too that we admired
so much, wouldn't make sure. But it wasn't her job too.
It was our team's job, our managers, our producers, all
these people that say they love us, that were family,
and the lawyer and our lawyer attorney. Yeah I didn't
put him in there, but yeah, our attorneys, they should
have made sure that we were okay.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
And yeah, and listen, and I know you said, we
don't want to backtrack to that, but I just want
to say, aside from in Vogue and you were such
a standout. I mean, we all love in Vogue, but
I think Dawn, just you is the person that like
we were always excited about. The guys loved you too.
And I said that too when I was talking about it.
It was always like you down from in Vogue, Dawn
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from in Vogue, and then when you joined Lucy Pearl,
you know, more hits, and you did all of that,
but even during that time, you still weren't getting the
money that you were supposed to get and you actually
lost your home during that time.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
I sure did. I did. Lucy Pearl was different. I
was just telling my team that Lucy pro was. I've
known Ray Faield and it's sad about Duayne. I just
want to say my condolence is because I met Dwayne first.
We would be I think my MD for my band.
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He was an older guy, or he was older than us.
I was in high school when I was doing shows
in San Francisco, so I was underage, and I would
have to stay in the back rooms are in there,
like this one place called Qt's. A lot of people
in the Bay Area played QT so they know what
I'm talking about. But I'd have to stay down in
the room where they had all the liquor because if
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I was caught in the room, literally in the club
itself and not on stage, they could lose their liquor lightnse.
So I would have to stay in that room exactly.
So one day I was at the bus step and
I met this guy named Dwayne. He's like, oh, I'm
a guitar player. So I told my band director music director,
this guy, he says he plays, and he came and
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played for us, and he ended up playing my band.
And then he brought Raphael and that's where I met Rafael.
So I've known Raphael since I was sixteen. We were
both sixteen, but he played in my band, so I
was just surprised that not only you know, Raphael, that
we got this thing that you put together. It was
Rafael's baby, but it was all of us together making
this work. I brought the producers Bobby and Glenn. They
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call themselves Jake and the Fat Man, and it's a
white guy actually and a Mexican guy that made the
sound for Lucy Pearl like that. Yeah, Rafael played bass,
so when you hear him on you know whatever, you
hear the bass on that album, that was all Raphael.
But the scratching and all the little moments in that album,
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really it was Bobby and Glenn that made that happen.
Like they were great. I was just shocked because Rafael
could have come to me like I was trying to
tell him, this is Lucy Pearl is your baby, this
is on your your label. This is not a major label.
Like you know, Lucy Pearl has come through you. This
is your idea, you thought it up, and here we are.
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This is your dream come true and we're all here.
When I lost my house, I literally had to go
over the overseas. Here we are again for the first
time with Lucy Pearl, and we were number one on MTV.
I think it was Madonna was number one for I
think three weeks or a month, and we knocked her
off the number one spot. That's how big. Lucy Pearl
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was much bigger overseas actually abroad than we were here.
And the big song for them was still Mess.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
With My Man Dance and I was big here, but.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
They loved it. And we literally had to leave all
that stuff in the car and my makeup artists and
makeup in the room at MTV because they were closing
and the next day it was Saturday and they wouldn't
be open, so we had and we got off the
plane in the car to MTV, did the makeup, and
got on and they presented us with all this like
number one and Raphael, I don't know. I saw it
(27:55):
when we did sprite Night here in the States before
we went abroad. We did. We did spright Night, and
spright Night is just for the fans to know. Spright
Night is like the night before I want to say
the Angelia, you know what spright Night is, right, that's
for the award shows. So I think it's a VH
one Awards.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
So it's something before the awards exactly. It's a big event.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
It's a big event but they have it's actually in
a hotel and they take all the walls down, so
it's like a convention room, but it's massive.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
So there's a bunch of tables and at every single
table there's this different radio station. So you might talk
to Amsterdam over here, you might talk to Chicago exactly right.
But it was Sprite put it on, so they call
it Spright Night. And we're waiting for our next interview.
And Raphael is standing to my left, just right here,
and all these standing we're waiting up against the wall,
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and Lee Bailey from Record Radio One comes walking over
Moss over. He's got his hat on, like looking like
he's in the Safari. He's an older man, and he
comes over and he takes his uh, he's got a
front pocket. He takes his little recorder out and he
puts uh, I guess he's recording. And he's like smiling,
and I was like hrd Lee. We all said high
and Raffael was like damn because he stood between me
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and Raphael and he said, damn. Don't you see him
stating here? What the fuck? Excuse me? Yeah, And I
looked at Allie, and I said we are done because
you don't. First of all, this is what I meant
by that is you don't. You don't put someone like
Lee Bailly down. Lee Billy has has been a radio
one for decades. Right, he didn't do anything wrong. He
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was a little bit rude by standing in between us
and not saying excuse me, Raphael. But Raphael took offense
to that because he felt like Lee Belly only wants
to talk to.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Me, and we got yeah, and I feel like I got
Lisha Haye Muhammad is the type of person that's mad chill.
He's okay with being like you know, he's a musician, musician,
and maybe he's okay with not being like you know,
a yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
But Raphael asked me to be a part of the
group because of what I brought. So he was like,
you know, I'll he brings the hip hop abilities. He
brings that part of it. I don't have that. I
bring R and B. But I also bring the pop side,
and Raphaeld wanted that. Raphael brings the R and B side.
We all have something to bring to the table, and
that's why you wanted me. Now you're angry, you're upset
because I'm getting I'm the girl. And anytime there's a
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female in a group, rufus Ha Ka Khan can tell
you that, no doubt, when Stefani can tell you that,
like they can all tell you that. The woman I
saw we were at we were in France and we
were at the airport and there was we were all
getting magazines and candy for our next flight, and I
saw an article with when Sefani telling her group like
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the guys were upset because we all started together at
you know, in Orange County, California as a band. What
is a garage band? And they were like, why are
you getting all the covers like you know, Vogue magazine
and why are you doing all that? And she said, look,
when I do the cover of Vogue, it's because Vogue
doesn't have men on the cover.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Okay, first and no, they really don't.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
And when I do that, though, it brings light to
the whole group.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
It's good for everybody.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Yes, come on and we can get paid. Let's get
this paper.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
And let her do all that work and we'll.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Thank you, right, and let's let's support her. And so
they finally did. It's like that's our girl. Let's Glenn,
and it could have been the same. Lucy Pearl to me,
I love InVogue. I've said this before, so there's no
offense to invoke. I am proud of Invoke. But I
love Lucy Pearl because we put it together ourselves, like
Rafael's idea, but we made up the name, we made
up the sound, we made up the look, which was
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much more rock and roll than I would have done
with in Vogue and Voke was more polished, upscale and Raffael,
And I'm like, Raphael, this is your shit, excuse me,
but it's yours, Like, let's make this work. I'm here,
I lost my house and I'm still smiling. Nobody here
in London, or i should say abroad, is none the
wiser that I lost my house. I'm not sitting on
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camera like you know, angry upset, which I should have
been by all accounts, because you told me one thing
in the beginning, and here we are and I lost
my house and I'm still supporting you. I'm still supporting
Lucy Pearl, and nobody knows anything. I'm smiling. And I
didn't understand that the jealousy jealousy can be. It's very real.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Yeah, it definitely is and that should have never ever
happened to you, like honestly, just with your talent. And
I do want to ask you this, where did your
talent even come from?
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Like did you were you always just able to sing?
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I just want to know where, Like as Dawn as
a child, is this something that people are like, she's amazing?
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Just tell me, like, where does it come from?
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Well, my dad said that I was in the car.
I would always sing with him, trying my little best
at two years old to harmonize, and he heard me singing.
At the time, the Beatles had a song called Michelle
my Bell and it was mostly in French Michelle my
belle son name monk key bonre bien on some is
like the hook. Okay, I'm singing that with my dad
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and he's like, but for the first time I was
singing like a harm of him or something. He's like,
he didn't know the words, the terms, but she's not
singing the same note, but she's on key. He didn't understand,
and he ran in the house with me and telling
my mom bj barbargine. She can sing, and my mom's like, uh,
we're still trying to teach her how to talk like
we you me and he played the song in front
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of her and she's like, oh my god. So he
kind of discovered my vocal, but we didn't do anything
with it. My parents when I weren't like, let's get
her an agent, Like we were in a New London, Connecticut.
With Connecticut it was a small town two hours outside
of New York, so they didn't have no connections or
anything like that. But over the years when we moved
to California, especially, I started getting in the studio with
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local people in Oakland a lot of which that's how
I met Like, like I said, I met Dwayne, but
he knew the people that I worked with. So when
I said, oh, I have a band, and he's like, oh,
I know Daryl Clifton, which sadly he passed away recently,
but yeah, he knew him. And in the Bay Area,
there's a lot of music that has come out of
the Bay to like exactly Tower of Power, Sly in
(34:03):
the family Stone, what's her name, Rosie Games to Bless
her Heart, she's so talented, you know. There's even Journey
comes from Nevado, which is maybe about a half hour
from Oakland. Journey came from there, Like there's a lot
of artists and a lot of music that comes out
of the Bay. So my talent just to get back
(34:26):
that to that. My mom sings a little bit, but
never in church, never in front of people. My dad either,
but they they would sing all the time. There was
always a house field of music, and my parents would
bring like my mother would bring both of them together,
would say, bring Soul, you know, R and B back
then Tower of Power, like all those bands even they
came from the Bay. And then my dad brought the
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rock and roll side and my mom was cool with that.
A lot of the albums. When he passed away, I
was like, this looks like Mom's signature. She would put
his name on all the albums. If he didn't know him, mo,
she would like, I don't know. I just felt like
I wanted to write Robbie or Johnny on there, and
she did, and so I would. I had shown her
when he passed away. I had a lot of his
(35:10):
albums in his record collection. She's like, oh my god,
I mean Chicago, you know, the Eagles, all those albums.
She would write his name on all of it. That's
the music that my dad brought. So when he passed away,
I could not be like I would be in I
don't know target and I'm hearing the beatles overhead. I
would put down whatever I had and run because I
didn't want to hear it. It would hurt me. But
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I learned to embrace that. I'm like, you know what,
whenever I hear the beatles or the Beg's or the
eagles or whoever, the carpenters even, I was like, you
know what, let me embrace that because I can't run.
I'm like, okay, Dad, this is you. Let me. Okay, Dad,
I love you. I'm glad you're here. That's him telling
me that he's with me. So that my talent came
(35:54):
from my parents. But they weren't the typical singers. They
weren't like my mom was not in church singing like that.
She did sing, she had her solos every now and then,
but she wasn't like pursuing.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
I mean, at two, it kind of is like something
that you hadn't learned, but you just had the natural.
Because even when you're talking, boy, it sounds like you
can sing.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Think oh wow, thank you so much. People say that
a lot my speaking voice. But my mom there's a
picture of my mother that I'm gonna put in my
book again and my documentary. She's in the living room.
She said, I had to be six weeks old. So
I was sleeping in the bacinette in the room and
she's with her friends and they're literally doing Stop in
the Name of Love, like you know, they thought they
(36:34):
were the Supremes. She used to look as a younger woman,
looked like Diana Ross when she was younger, but she
never really pursued it. But it's like, Okay, when my
daughter grows up, she's gonna be in a girl group.
So I think I have the music because she listened
to so much what I tell you. When I moved
in with them in twenty fifteen and I moved in
(36:54):
with my stepdad and my mom in Vegas, I pulled
out my collection because it was all in the garage,
and I would pull out stuff and my mom was like,
oh my god, you have that one, and she's like,
I have that too, but do you have this other album?
And we were like comparing albums and we would just
play music all day long like I used to when
I was a kid. And she told my stepdad he
came into my life. I think I was fourteen, so
(37:16):
he's been with me, you know, most of my life
with my mom. But she said she told him, she
said Bobby before, when Dorn was really little, she would
go from Stephanie Mills to Chaka Khan to my higher register,
which was Denise Williams and Minnie Ripperton. Those whistle notes. Yeah,
I was doing that. I had the tape tape Angela.
(37:39):
I had to be twelve thirteen years old, and the
guy had a makeshift studio. He didn't have much because
they didn't know about studios back then, but he had
a real to reel and he recorded me on what
he calls what they call panning. And you know this
in the studio, you probably know they panned her voice,
Minnie Ripperton's voice to the left, and they panned my
voice to the right. So you hear me at four
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hitting those notes with her like it was nothing. And
I was fourteen years old, so I've just had that
gift was just there. And my mom was like, well,
we can't. New York is a little too fast. Although
she's a city girl, New York was a little too
fast for her to take me there and look for
agents when I was sixteen or seventeen years old. My
dad lived in New York, but it's like he didn't
know any connections, right, So when he moved to California,
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She's like, well, let's maybe we should go to California.
Maybe we should move there for Dawn and data because
Dana has her own dreams and her own My.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Sister, that's amazing, And you've you've referenced this book, your
autobiography as well as the documentary.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
So how far along are you with that.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
My documentary is It's hard because when you're telling your
own story, I have a habit of reading what I
have already and I can't get past that because I'm
correcting things and all that didn't happen, like remember Terry
did this and Maccine said that, or I did this,
and I'm I'm editing as I go along, and it's
the worst thing to do. I think I have to
(39:02):
get a ghostwriter to the best way I knew how
to write my book when I have so I have
an introduction and two chapters. And the best way that
I worked on my book so far has worked for
me is I had an assistant early on. Mind you
I have to go back to talk about the assistant
(39:23):
part in a minute, but I'll talk about the book
real quick. The way that this person did it. Actually,
he was a manager, so I'll say that he would
ask me questions. He had a dictaphone, and he'd ask
me questions that I'm not even thinking of, because as fans,
they can see things that I'm not thinking about. Stuff
I forgot about it. I'm like, oh my god, I
didn't even know. Okay, let me and I'd answer that
and he's like, and what did you do for this?
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I'm like, wow, I didn't even think of the audition,
so it was only he said, what was the audition? Like?
Was it a cattle call? Did you have like hundreds
of girls? I'm like, no, but thanks for asking. There
was only six girls. It wasn't a whole lot. I
think maybe seventeen women all together over, not just the
day that we auditioned, but before that they had a
few more women. And then he asked me some other stuff,
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and I'm like, oh boy. So that's the best way
that I know how to write my book because it
takes me out of my own story and prompts memories
that I'm not thinking about oh my god, you want
to know that part. Okay, so this is what happened
with Terry or Maxine or me, and this is what
we all did.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Yeah, you're right, that's the best way.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
To write a book.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Angie Martinez about her book and I was telling her
about growing up in New York and some of the
things that she did that was so monumental for us,
and she was like, I didn't think that was.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
A big deal.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
And there's things that people that love you or that
know you might be like, wow, this was a bit
and you might be not even thinking that's something you
would have put in a book. And sometimes it is
good to have people bring things up and ask you
those questions.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Exactly, I wouldn't even think that it was of interest,
but the questions prompt the next thing, and it takes
me out of that one subject because I'll hang there
for a while and I'm talking about that over and
over and over again, like the odd It's like, you
remember in anybody's life. We tend to, as human beings,
remember the big moments. You remember when you graduated high
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school and went to college, or you remember your first
job or your first boyfriend or husband or wife. You
remember your first breakup, you remember losing your job, like
things that impacted your life. You remember those things, but
it's the little stuff in between. I'm like, I don't
remember what I said to Terry a Maxine on the
tour bus or what you know, and so the ghostwriter
(41:29):
helps to prompt those memories.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Well, we can't wait to see that and read that,
because I know your story just even from listening, and
to your point, I want to say, even when people
watch your YouTube, you do tell some stories. It may
feel like it was a small moment, but it left
a big impact, you know, for you, even in how
you think and how you approach things exactly. You know,
(41:51):
But I know, listen, I'm just happy because I know
for you, I wanted to make sure that this interview
felt comfortable, you know, for you to be able to
discuss everything that's been going on and going viral. And
I wanted to make sure that people heard this, you
know from you. I know you released a statement and said, look,
this is you know. People have been sending cash apps
and by the way, don keep those all right, if
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they sent them to you directly, don't.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Return them, just keep them. Yeah, please, just keep that.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
I was grateful, but I'm like, you, guys, I didn't
ask for money, and oh they're so sweet. It's like
some people like I don't have much, but here's ten
dollars or fifty dollars or twenty or even five. I'm like,
I don't care if it's a fifty cent piece. I
didn't need your money. But I'm grateful that you see
me in a certain way that you want to help.
I'm grateful for that. But you know, like I said,
I have these people helping me.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Focus on the focus on the love, and that's what
I want to say. Just focus on the love, focus
on the positivity.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
And it's been.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Exactly it's been three years of car life. And I
know you said it's temporary. So what's the next step, Like,
do you already have it planned out? How do you
know when it's like okay, time to do something else.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
Well, it depends on the deals that are on the table.
And it's not that I did this episode for that.
I just knew. I knew how much of an impact
this was gonna have. I just knew it. And it
was like I know that once I tell this story,
I'm gonna be you're gonna be beat up. This is
because again, like I told you when I first sat down,
that it's gonna be there's gonna be the negativity because
(43:23):
they have to put that out there. They have to
be negative and nasty. And that's okay. I'm used to that.
Got You gotta have a thick skin when you're in
this industry, as you know.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
I know.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
But once I feel like there's a deal on the
table that is right for me to be able to
move out of my car, and I want to also
capture that, I want to capture you guys, go this
is the deal that came through for me. I can't
really tell you right now what it is, but it's
enough to get me out of my situation and into
a place because I don't want to just grab an
apartment and it's like it's temporary. Then I'm be back
(43:55):
in this situation. So I want to know that all
my ducks are in a row and business is taken
care of what it's supposed to.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
So yeah, I see a mini RV sponsorship. I see
all kinds of things too, by the way, because I
mean this didn't bring attention, like you said, it is
a whole community of people that are doing this, and
it did bring attention to it. But what is a
deal that you would like if you could say, Okay,
here's what I'm looking for to put it out there,
(44:21):
what is something that Don is looking for?
Speaker 1 (44:22):
You've been through a lot, you've been through.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
I think the not good deals help you realize what
you need in the future.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
What does Don want?
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Well, when I'm putting together my team already and I
already have a boy, she does a lot of things.
But Melanie, you know, yes, yeah, she's right here. And
Melanie is like she's she's a ghost writer too. She's
also doing a lot of She did the statement for me,
so publicists slashed a lot of different things.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
And protector because you need that.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
Ye, yes, exactly. She's definitely protecting. But I would say
the first looking at car life, there's a lot of
things that I realized that I need it in my
car that they're not there. So, in other words, it's
stuff that you can storage and a car is different
than storage and a home, and it doesn't work the
same because your car is moving constantly and everything's sliding
(45:15):
around and I'm like, oh my god. So I had
the mindset to buy. You know, those things from Target
that you can put down actually from dollartry, but in
your kitchen. You can put them in your cabinets and
you cut them to the side and it stops stuff
from moving around because it's kind of rubber eyes. But
for the car, it still doesn't work in the car
as well as it would. So there's things I call it. Well,
(45:38):
I'm not going to tell my story because if I
tell that, then somebody else will take my idea. But
stuff for the car, car accessories that are not there,
you know, typically the way they would be in a house,
it's different for car. And then I think the first
thing would be to do the story and put it
out there. I don't know, because the book. You know,
how when you watch a movie and the book is
(45:59):
better than than the movie, I'm like, do I do
the book first, to do the movie first? I don't.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
I don't know, Probably probably the book and then get
the movie rights done.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
And but you know, I mean, you know, but.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
However you decide, I say, a documentary a book, and
then the movie based off of the book, and the
documentary you.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
Know, well, the book, but the book can be the
script for the movie.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Right, that's hard because.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
They can only get so much in a movie that
they can't get. The book has so much more. It
expounds on everything. Where you only have two hours or
two hours, two and a half hours for.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
Well, that happens with books, like you never go to
get everything in the movie. That's why you got to
read the book because you're not going to get them.
And sometimes they change the story a little bit for
it to make sense like in a movie. So you know,
that's why that's important. But I am really happy that
I can see you know you are in good spirits
and as you know, as people were questioning, like what's
going on here? Like I said, and I watched the
(47:00):
full thing, so I understood where you were coming from.
But I know that clips can also influence people's minds,
people weighing in and and things like that. So I
appreciate you taking the time to even talk to me today.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
Well, thank you for even asking me. I just want
to clear up though, because the whole ex thing, I
was like, what the heck is that I haven't heard
from this man. I don't know what he's talking about,
offering me anything, and who the hell in their right mind? Again?
The fans took care of it for me, but who
in their right mind? You're an ex for a reason,
right right? Yeah, don't come and try to take my shine, Like, dude,
(47:36):
get your own. This is what I would have told him,
because I don't contact with him, But if I did,
I would say, do you notice that I don't ever
come try to find you, I never email you, I
never look for you, and anytime I have something going
on here he comes slithering around like a snake.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
You know.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
It's like, dude, I didn't what are you talking about?
And you had One fan said why couldn't you have
kept that between you and Dawn? Then if you offered
her jo, why did you have to come to TMC
and tell them that? And then here comes TMZ asking me, well,
your ex husband offered a place for you to live,
or I offered you a job, and somebody else wants
to offer you a place to live. I don't want
anything from these people. I never asked. I have a
(48:11):
place to sleep every single night in my car, like
I've done for three years and protected myself exactly. You know, again,
once I have the situation that I want on my own,
then I'll take that and I'm not going to take
it from you because I didn't ask you for it.
First of all, people sometimes, like I said, the control thing,
they want to lock you down, you know, and so
I would not do that. I would I don't talk
(48:32):
to my ex.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Has anybody if I'm in Vogue reached out like watching
that or seeing that?
Speaker 1 (48:37):
Do you still speak to them?
Speaker 3 (48:38):
Good question. I was shocked by that. But they probably
know I'm tired of going back and forth to the group.
Every single time I go back, I go back. We
have deals on the table that makes sense to me
and would make sense anybody else who has a brain
in their hand. I'm sorry. I got to just speak truthful.
This is who I am. They picked the wrong deal
every single time, and so they know that I'm not
(49:00):
going to come back and deal with the Shenanigans again.
So they probably like, Dan's not going to come back. No,
I told them the last time we had the opportunity
to do this the right way us. They Sindy and
Terry have a member in the group that she's very
nice to me. Like I said before I did those
one hundred and five interviews in twenty twenty, very nice
to me. Rona has never done anything nefarious or nasty
(49:22):
in my direction. I like her. She's a very nice person.
I just wanted to celebrate our fans with just the
four of us because Rona wasn't there from the beginning, okay,
And I just felt like it was especially in what
was it twenty twenty that was our twenty year anniversary?
Was it? I think? So? I want no? Twenty ten
was our twenty year anniversary. So I wanted to share
(49:45):
that with the fans, what we created from day one
in the trenches, in living out of suitcases on the
road and shaking hands, kissing babies and hugging fans. I
wanted to give that to the fans ourselves without Rona around.
And Cindy was like, it was just her and I
in the room, kind of going back to because Terry
kind of stands back and let's she lands the fire
and then she acts like she doesn't do anything. So
(50:06):
she's sitting there and she always did that. That was
Terry's m O. And I said to Cindy, she said, well,
don you know how she talks like don But you've
only been with us for thirteen years. Rona's been with
us for thirteen years and you've only you were only
with us for eight And I said, yeah, I understand that,
but Rona hasn't brought a hit to you guys, not one,
(50:28):
and Maxie and I bring hits. I saying the biggest
hit that we have, Like, come on, I mean no
offense to Rona, but let's celebrate. When we did the
Alicia Keys thing, I want to say two thousand and
seven or eight, the girls asked me to come back,
and Alicia Keys made it very very clear that she
wanted the original four right. She didn't want any stand in.
(50:50):
She did no offense to anybody, but she wanted the
Original four and the girls understood that, and they told
Rona that she could not be there. Well, why is
it that when Dawn says it, or the fans are
saying it, even they're not paying attention to that, they're
still ignoring it, like as if they don't hear what
the fans are saying. The fans are making it very
clear that they wanted me, Maxine, Cindy and Terry, and
(51:12):
I'm not going to be where I'm not wanted, So
I'm not going to fight to get back into something
I've already come back every single time you guys ask
me to come back, and then you make stupid decisions
and I have to walk away.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
Well listen, give it it loose. That's what we.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
Said for your mind. Okay, just not holding on. I
don't let go.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
Letting go for every mood, okay, exactly. Yeah, all right,
well don again. I appreciate you so much, and again
you are an icon. So just a pleasure to be
able to talk to you. And now everybody watch the
YouTube and make sure they're paying attention and watching the blogs.
Let that at least set it off for everything else
(51:54):
for you.
Speaker 3 (51:55):
Official Dawn Robinson it is and Seane is spelled s
h y y e, so it's not I had to
get a different spelling because the other ones were taken.
But it works just fine, Shine.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
Okay, all right, I appreciate you so much.
Speaker 3 (52:07):
Thank you, Thank you, Angela, thank you so much. Way
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