June 23, 2023 • 33 mins
Dr. Rameck Hunt Talks Obesity, Diet Changes, + More
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Wam.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
What's up? Is way up at Angela yee. I'm Angela yee.
And Mano is here. And Meno has been complaining and
saying that he is battling OBCD every day now. And
so what I did was I took the liberty to
invite a very special friend, doctor Ramik Hunt.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
What's up? What's up with doctor Hunt?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I'm good, I'm good. How you doing?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I'm good? Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
You are an obesity medicine specialist and you're an author,
no guess work right, and that is a weight loss program.
But you also have you founded an obcit clinic?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Yeah, yeah, And in printing about ten years ago when
I had a patient who was battling obesity, and I
really couldn't help her because we don't really learn a
lot about OBCD in medical school, and so the only
knowledge we get in medical school is forwards, eat less.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Move more, That's it.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
And so that's what I told her, and that was
that wasn't helpful, of course, But when she came back
in one day, she had gained some more weight. She
was really really trying. And I talk about this in
a book. I asked a question. I was like you know,
are your children obese? And I wasn't trying to be like,
you know, offensive of anything like that. And I hope
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the way I said it didn't she didn't feel that way,
but she started to cry and when she left, like
her whole life changed. Like long story short, about a
year later, she came in one hundred pounds less and
she thanked me for it, and I was like, I
ain't really do nothing, you know, but it made me
want to go out and learn more. And so I
just google like obesity doctors like because it wasn't anything
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like that out there. And then the organization I'm a
part of, the Obesity Medicine Association. I went to that
conference and then I got I trained, got board certified,
and started started to practice.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I love that because right now that's a hot topic
right and as of late, we see a lot of
celebrities and now that's trickled down people using these weight
loss drugs that have been causing them to drop crazy
amounts of way. We've heard of ozempic and with Govy
and so I really wanted to bring you on here
just to talk about so much that's been happening, mano,
(02:10):
Like I said, every day comes in here and complains.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
And then I'm guilty of like buying pizza and stuff
like that with the battle on them faced with and
then you know, cheese. It's in the corner every single day.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So I just wanted there's so many different things I
want to talk about with you, because you talk about resetting,
what your weight is, you talk about Grellin, and I
remember we had a great conversation about that.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I pay attention, No you do.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
I mean, last time mob was up, there was a battle.
But but I think me and May are gonna be good.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah, I think so too. Yeah, So what is the
cause of obesity? Because some people think, like you said,
it's just that you're eating too much and you're not exercising,
because people will look at you, just like Lizzo right.
For instance, Lizzo works out all the time, she's a
healthy diet, she's a vegetarian. But people always are like, oh,
she's not doing anything, and they criticize her and they
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body shame her all the time. So can you talk
about what is the reason why some people can appear
to be OBEs?
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:06):
So I actually take care of a lot of celebrities too,
And one of the things I tell anybody who I
take care of is that obesity is a disease just
like any other disease, like high blood pressure or diabetes,
and our bodies have set points. Like, for instance, you
have a set point for your PhD seven point four h.
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If you deviate from that set point, your body brings
you back. You don't have to will power your way
back to seven point four. Oh, your temperature is set
at ninety eight point six. If you deviate, if you
go up, you're gonna sweat. If you go down, you're
gonna shiver. Those are set points. Your body has a
set point for your weight as well. It's like think
of it as a thermostat. So if your thermostat is
set at eighty and then your temperature goes down, the
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furnace kicks in and then it brings it back to eighty,
and the furnace shuts off. If the temperature goes up,
the ac cuts turns on and it goes brings you
back to eighty and it shuts off. Has the same mechanism,
but it does it with hormones. One of the hormones
is called grellin. I call it in my book the
hunger grimlin. So Grellin activates your craving center in your brain.
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And then there are these other satiating hormones in your gut,
which is actually the Olympics and the will govies of
the world. They pharmaceutical companies were able to manufacture it,
and so those it's seven of them. So these seven
hormones fight against this one big bag grelling. And so
the way your body works is if you lose weight,
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your body wants you to get back to your set
point weight. Let's say it's two fifty, so you two hundred.
It's gonna get you back there. So how it does
like it can't make you grab a big mac. But
what your body can do is increase your grelling tenfold
and reduce your satiating hormones, the one that makes you
feel satisfied and full to zero, so you never quite
feel sensitari and you always like I just want something.
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And so that's why I say this is not a
willlpower disease. It is not the person's fault. It has
to do with hormoes, the grimlin. It's the criminal. And
sure everybody has some you know, steak in the game.
Obviously you got to put in the work. But like
we do rat studies, Well, we stick a catheter in
the rat's brain and we infuse grelin or the grimlin
and they eat e e eat until they vomit. Same rat,
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you stick a catheter in their brain and you block grelling.
They stare at the food and they at the until
they starved at that because like, this is the one
powerful these hormones are. So when people say, oh, it's
just will power, you just will power is an emotion.
It is like love hate. It is so you could
you could get up on the wrong side of the
bed and not have willpower that there. So that is
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not a good strategy for the city.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
And so how can you how can yeah, how can
you reset your set point? Then? Because I feel like
the set point changes too.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
You know, when you're younger, you're like, okay, I was
one twenty and a few years later one thirty, then
a few years later one thirty five, and your set
point keeps on changing.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
How can you reset that?
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Or can you that's a good that's a very good
question that we and specialists in obcit space fight over
all the time. I'm in the camp that you can
reset your set point, but it takes many, many years.
So the set point has to do with a lot
of inflammation in your brain in this area called the
hypothalamus and a smaller area called the arcuate nucleus, and
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that area gets inflamed and that changes your set point.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
And a lot of things change your set point. The
types of.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Food that we particularly carbohydrates, and so when people say
things like, oh, I'm eating bright, they might be like,
they have this if you have a Soto's commercials back
in the day.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
They don't put them on the air anymore.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
But when they had kids that were starving, so you
had the one set of kids that were really, really skinny,
and then you can see their ribs, right, that's one
set that's called Those kids are called morassmus kids, that's
the medical term for it. But then the other kids
were skinny in their arms and legs, and then they had.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
A big old belly.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Those kids ate enough calories, but they were poor, so
they couldn't eat or get protein like meat basically, so
they would only eat grains. I eat carbs, and so
their belly is not just fluid, it's actually fat. But
then you got to be like, well, then how they
have energy for their bodies. Well, their body had to
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take the energy from their muscle, which is why their
arms and legs are skinny. So what's a science to this?
So if you eat a lot of carbohydrates, you will
gain weight and so so part of what we do
is we tell people to limit their carbohydrates and learn
how to navigate in this low carb world, I mean
this high carb worold we live in a high carbor
We definitely could.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I'd be having them carb craving, not as like bread
though away from bread, yes, it's hard. It doesn't matter
what hype of bread to eat though, because I'm always like, Okay,
I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Get some ezekiel bread or something. Well, so wheat.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
That's funny about wheat because like the government allows you
to say it's wheat if you just sprinkle a little
wheat on it, if it's a little around, so it
doesn't have to be like.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Whole week.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
The one hundred is one hundred percent of the things
that they dropped in the flower that was yeah, exactly,
if you if you got a bread that's full of fiber,
because that's what that's what wheat is basically, right, it's
a car, but it's a fiber. A fiber is harder
to break down. In fact, some fiber doesn't get broke down.
It just comes out in your stool. But if you
were to eat like a real, like straight up fiber bread,
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it would it would taste like cardboard.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Now to mind you, we do. They do sell them,
and some of them are okay.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
And they do taste like carb.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
You put a lot of butter on it, you'll be okay.
And I also so now maynokep On saying that he's
battling obese.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
I'm clinically. When you look at me, I'm clinically.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
And and I want to discuss that because they just
said the American Metal Association has adapted a new policy
on healthy weight assessment because they did say that the
bar for what they're saying is obese is racist in
the way that it was. So can you touch on
that a little bit because this report just came out.
As far as I'm considering other factors including body composition,
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belly fat, and waste circumference.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Yes, shout out to doctor Fatima Cody Stanford. Doctor Stanford
is in Harvard and she's an African American female, and
she has been a champion of that for a long
long time and she's a good friend of mine, and
so she has done studies to show that different be
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and mys for different different ethnicities have different risk factors
for diabetes and high blood pressure. So, for instance, Asian population,
we use it being my thirty for obesit in America,
but Asian would start to what we consider obese at
lower like twenty seven would be their OBC.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
And so in African American men and women are different.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
So the push is to be more specific and not
one size fit all for the being my because of
being my, it's just your height and your weight.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
And then that's it. What if you're a football player,
you all muscle, right, you're not obese.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
You don or you might not be obese.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
I'm not a football player, but.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
You can't look at somebody and say this person is obese.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
Right, because I've been to adoptors and then they get
you on the scale, right, and then they check and
see how told you all and say, well, at this height,
this is what feet you should be one and it.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Be ridiculous, every ridiculous, like this.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Is what they say, and I'm like, well, I'm one
ninety five obese.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
So it's not right.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
It's not right, it's it's the problem with the B
in my is that it is a very cost effective
or cheap way to be able to identify somebody who
has obesity.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
But it's it's not personally.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
It's not a one size fits it's not.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
A one size Because what I would do if you
came to me, man, I would put you on this
body composition machine, this BIA which you stand on.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
It's like a star Trek scale look like.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
And so you stand on it and these electricity comes
through your body, very small current. And the way we
tell your fat, water and muscle is the speed at
which that electricity goes through your body. And then I
could calculate that Let's say your muscle mass weighs seventy pounds,
your fat mass weighs ninety pounds, and so I use
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that and I do that for patients every two to
three months so that we can see if they're losing fat,
muscle both. And that allows me to be able to
give them a specific prescription for themselves and say, hey,
you need to eat thirty grams more of protein. And
then you know, we do segmental what we call BIA's
the body composition, so I'll know how much muscle you
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got in the left rom.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Versus the right, your left leg versus your right.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
So we put people on the machine, and I'm able
so the tools that I have, I'm able to do
more tailored, tailored treatments. But everybody can't do that because
my machine costs with teen thousand dollars, so everybody, every
doctor can't put one another.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Yes, it's Jersey.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Machine.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
I'm coming for the Star Trek electricity.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
And I want to ask you this.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
So as far as medication, now, let's talk about this
crazy that's.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Been going on.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Because originally ozimpic was for type two diabetes. Correct correct, right,
And so now a lot of people have been using
that to drop the weight like this, How safe is that?
And because I've been hearing a lot of different things,
if you stop using it, the weight comes back. It's expensive,
and it's something that you have to continue to be
on and if you get off of it, you know,
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then it loses everything that's happened to you. I've heard
instances where people have said it's caused them to lose
their vision and things like that because there are side
effects that can come with that, and I know people
who have used it and have had to stop for
whatever reason. And then some people are saying, well, people
can't get their diabetes medication because people are using.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
This just for weight loss.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
How safe is it to use something like ozempic and
is it a long term solution or what is it?
Speaker 4 (13:01):
That's so, you gave me a bunch, but I'm gonna
try to be brief, even though I'm not a brief person,
but anyway, I'm gonna be brief. So before ozempic, there
was BY eight of which is like fifteen twenty years old,
so it's the same class or drugs. I've been using
ozmpic for years before any celebrity knew about it, because
we know the mechanism is one of those satiating hormones
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that I was talking to you about. So let's get
back to what it's used for. It's used for diabetes
type two diabetes, but it's also used with used for obesity.
The generic name of it is semaglatide, but the FDA
made us change the name. If we are using it
for diabetes, we got to call it ozimpic. If we're
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using it for obesity. We got to call it we goovi,
so it's very clear as to what.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
But it's the same thing, the exact same drugs. That's crazy.
Idn't know it was the same thing.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Okay, exact same drug. We put it in different pins.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
The Goovi pin looks different than the ozempic pin, but
that's intentional. So it's exact same medication. So when people
say they can't get it and they use it for
their type, their diabetes, and people are using it for obesity, again,
that means that you don't respect obesity as a disease
because it's obesity is a disease just like diabetes, and
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in fact, obesity causes diabetes.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Obesity causes hypertension.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
So if you have an obesity centric approach to taking
care of a patient, you will cure there or control
their diabetes and their high blood pressure and all these
other things. And so it is absolutely appropriate to use
these medicines for obesity. In fact, obesity is the number
one disease in this country, in fact the world, more
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so than high blood pressure, diabetes, cancer, everything, and obesity
causes all these things. It's an inflammatory process, so it
actually leads to cancers, it's associated specifically with thirteen cancers,
but many more it's associated with and particularly guy cancers
like so uterine cancer, breast cancer, all these things. So
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obesity is something that we should use to treat it. Now,
as far as the side effects that you were saying, Angela,
like the the vision thing, that is a rare thing
that actually could happen.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
It's not like something new that we didn't know.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
It's because you can correct someone's sugar googles very rapidly
when you use these medications, because they're very effective, and
so they have a black box like go on there
to say, hey, you know, make sure your your your
eyes are okay.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
But the.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
What it causes this thing called diabetical right napathy. It
actually is a temporary thing and it's very very rare.
I've never seen it. But other diabetes drugs do the
same thing. So insulin even has that warning on it
that it can correct your sugar so so rapidly that
it can affect your vision. So that's actually not a
big deal. The other things that these drugs like the
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Olympics and amandyros and the Govies of the world can
cause our mostly gi side effects because the hormone you
produce in your body. It's it's the pharmaceutical company manufactured.
So it's ninety eight ninety four to ninety eight percent
similar to what we all produce and so and it's
produced in your gut.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
So the biggest side.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Effect is, particularly if you overeat, is nausea and vomiting.
And so that's why we ty trate the dose up
very slowly over three to four months actually, so that
you won't get that nausea.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Vominating can cause, rhea rarely can cause.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
So it suppresses your appetite, is right? Okay?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Because I also saw the doctor they said that created
the what is it called the semug sema glue tide,
said that it makes life very boring and people won't
want to be on it for extended periods of time
because it makes you not enjoy food.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
You don't want to go out and eat.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
No, that's not true.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
You know how we love having our parties up here?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I don't. That's right, that's right, man, that's right.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Okay. So what happens if you stop taking it?
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Right?
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Does the weight come back?
Speaker 4 (17:03):
So we we've were not we because the nova notice
is the one that the.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Has Ozimpic and Mogov.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
But there we've done studies or they've done studies on
that specifically. And so when you stop the medication, roughly
about eighty percent of people regain their weight and not
when you look at the curve because they went out
the three years. When you look at the curve, it
goes up, but it doesn't go completely to where their
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starting weight is. But the but but the thought is
that if they if they kept the study going, you
would probably see it go right back to your baseline.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Weight, which proves the second point.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Theory and the Grelland but what I want to say
about that is this is the same medication Ozmpic or
with Goov that if you had diabetes, you would stay
on it for life to control your diabetes.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
If you have obesity, most.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
People would need to stay on it for life to
control their obesity. Now what I do is if you
come to me and we need to help with medication,
which I think medication is super important for most people
because what you're telling somebody to do is to fight
this fight.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Like you. Let's say you're in a heavyweight fight. You
fighting a heavyweight champion.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Of the world, and your odds aren't that good in
the first place. And then somebody says, hey, have this
fight with I want you to get rid of one
of your tools. So we're gonna tie one of your
hands behind your back and you're gonna fight the heavyweight
champion of the world.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
There's no wins in me.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Conser like, you're not gonna win that fight, and so
I need to give you all your tools and will
go vi your Olympic and whatever.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Min general are the tools.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
And so what I tell people is we're gonna use
it until we get to your goal weight.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
And if you.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Want to stop this medication at that time, we can,
but we're gonna monitor you.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I'm not gonna be.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Like, good job, I'll see you in a thousand years,
Like no, I'm gonna mind. And if your weight starts
to go back up, we're gonna put you back on it.
But some people they go, you know what, I have
so much control over my life.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I feel happy.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
So when he said that people who live a boring life,
my experience is totally different. They live a great life
because they can have control. They might just take a
bite of pizza and like I'm good because they have
that kind of control.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
That yahous two or three slices. What about other things
like pennamine.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
So so so mano talk. So these are oral medications.
So Finchermine is one. The brand name was atapects. People
know about atipacts. So those medications work too, they're they're
they're good too. They're not as good as the medications
that are the injectable medications because those medications are produced
by your body. Basically, they just manufactured it in the lab.
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But finchermine does does work, but the stimulate.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Stops working after a while, right like if you take it,
if you prescribe, because I was prescribed that all time
and then I took all of them, then it stopped working.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
So so Finchermine is one of those medicines where some
people develop tolerance to it, so that means like after
a while, it's not as effective as it was when
you first took it, so then people go up on
the dose. But one of the problems is not that
you develop tolerance, is that you realize that you have
control and you don't have cravings. But you might see
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this cake on the table and you don't really even
want it, but it's there, but it's this I got control.
Take a bite and guess what, You only take a bite,
so you feeling you're feeling real big bag, big bad
and bold. The next time you go, you might take
two pikes. The next time you might take three. And
what happens is Fentchermin can only let's say, block ten,
you know, ten carbs from coming.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
In before it goes down to you all day. It's
not all day.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
And if some of these carbs can get by a
Fenchermin or ozimpic even or any of them meds and
hit that button to activate your craving center, it's too late.
So I tell people when they're on these medications, if
they if that happens to them going a three day
carb detox. But what I tell them before that is
that if you see that cake and you know you
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don't really want it, don't eat it because you're going
to self sabotage yourself because.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
We end up going out and socially, yeah problem, yeah,
that is because you have those things in the house
or somebody brings.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
It to you, or they're like, here, I brought you
a baggage.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Oh yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Next thing, you know, come in here with cakes and
don't you know stuff like that. That's that's listen, I'm
driving by Krispy Kreme, that.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Red light is on.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
I'm like no, yes, yes, no, yes, yes.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
I'm telling you these medications will help you have better
control over those And we again, we don't live in
a low car world. So it's like, you know, to
tell somebody to eat you know, celery with some dip.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
It's like that people.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Who just want to lose a few pounds, right because
they have a vacation coming up or something like that,
and then they're like, let me get my hands on
some ozempic. Because it is important to make sure that
you monitor this and prescribe this absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
So that's another thing.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
So one, if you want to lose a couple of
pounds just because you want to lose a couple of
pounds and you don't have obesity, that is not FDA.
It proved that is not something that we would recommend.
And and the whole thing about being prescribed one is
that there are a lot of weight clinics where you
just give them, give them some cash and they'll give
you some finch mean, but they don't tell you nothing
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about the diet of how things work.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
And they don't educate you. And so most people it'll.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Work even if you if you don't have you have
no brains at all, because it will just work. But
if you if I give you a little knowledge, you
can use that tool to then beat that fight. And
so that's the problem. And the other thing is you
definitely need to be prescribed it because when you see
people pull ozimpic or goovi out of a vial, it
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is not mozimpic or govi because it doesn't come in
a vil. And if you get in that it's compounded
from somebody who put it together and you don't know
where you getting your stuff from, just like if you got.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
It's not in a vowel, it's no, it's not, is
it No, it's in a pen. It does not come
into vile. Period.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
To make sure you get in mind, because you also
want to make sure you know how it's going to
react to your body.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
I assumed write anything like this.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
This is a serious meta, especially especially if you have
diabetes because some of the medications that we give people
for diabetes.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
If you are not a physician, you won't know how
to tell that patient, hey, you know what you need
to cut that in half or stop it all together
when I give you this with GOVI or Olympic, so
it's important to do it with the doctor. But again,
if it's in a vile and you pulling it out
with a syringe, that is not ozempical. With GOOVI or
mind general, it's none of them because all of them
come prepackaged in a pen.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
How did this get so popular all of a sudden?
Because I feel like this is new, Like you know,
this is a fairly recent thing. All of a sudden,
everyone's on it, people are watching. I saw an article
I think it was I don't know if it was
the New York Times where people were talking about the
shame that they have with admitting that they're on ozempic
to lose the weight.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
But people are also looking.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
We saw Elon musk yes saying that he would taking
it and how amazing it is.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
But it feels like a craze all of a sudden,
and how did that happen?
Speaker 4 (24:06):
I think it's the celebrities because I've again, I've been
using it for years before and I didn't have any
issues getting it now because everybody wants it because celebrities
are talking about it and endorsing it, and they're not
endorsing it through the companies. Because I work closely with
all these companies, so I can tell you that the
companies are not endorsing these people saying that these are
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great drugs. It is the celebrities that are saying. And
you see the results, like particularly with these new ones,
and I'm gonna tell you need to put some stock
in these companies because they are They're more that are
coming out that are going to be even more effective
than the ones that are out now, and you're gonna
get you won't have to have for a lot of
people won't even need gastric bypass or the sleeve because
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these medications are going to give you those numbers.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
So I'm trying. I'm like constantly trying to get this
brustly body.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Oh my gosh, no fat up, just cut up?
Speaker 5 (25:02):
What should I do?
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Listen?
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Man, I tell people all the time, like the Hollywood
celebrities and their trainers no, Like I saw this interview
with Michael B. Jordan and they were like, well, how'd
you get so cut up for CREE three? And he joked,
but he was serious. He was like, oh yeah, my
trainer and we're working with. All I ate was chicken
and he joked about it, but basically that's what he means, like,
you need a little carb diet. Did there is? This
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is science, This is not this hocus pocus stuff. If
you could get your carbs down and get it well,
I first have people start below one hundred grams per day,
but if you get it even lower, you will get
that because what happens is insulin. This is all a
hormone game. So it's grelling, it's still satiating hormones, but
then it's insulin, which is another hormone. Insulin is your
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fat story hormone. So if you if your insulin is high,
which carbs make your pinkers secrete insulin? If your insulin
is high, it actually takes that that that food that
you eat, and it packs it away. That's why I
told you those those kids with the big bellies, that's
what happens to them. If your insulin is low, you
can actually burn the food that you eat and also
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burn fat because when your insulin is high, you can't
turn the fat burning switch on. It's impossible to turn
on the fat burning switch. If your insulin is high
and the only way to get it low is to
get your carbs down. I mean also intermitting fasting works
for the same reason that you don't eat for a
certain amount of time, so that way you're not stimulating insulin.
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But when people say I'm going to reduce my calories,
I thought it was calories and calories out.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
It's not.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
It's carbs and carbs out. And they like, well, why
does why does a low calorie diet work? Well, the
three macronutrients in your food. It's carbs, it's protein, and
it's fat. If you reduce your calories, you reduce all
three of them, including carbs.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
So that's why you lose weight. But you don't have
to reduce protein or fat. You only have to reduce carbs.
So why you're reducing all those.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Other things, which is why you can eat hardy with
a little carb diet, because you can eat proteins and
healthy fats. Another thing about fat, real quick, the healthiest
diet in the world is a Mediterranean diet, and that
diet is full of fat. It it's fifty to sixty
percent fat, healthy fat.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
You're ready to have.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
A black What are some of the car Because we
about the huge information I got you, I got you,
I got your brothers a day.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
I don't know if I got you like that.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
You know, what I'm saying is what are some of
the cobs that people need to stay away from? We know,
bread and hasty crean.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
It's pretty, it's pretty, like I give them the big
picture of it. So it's obviously sugar in those sweet sugar.
But then it's what we call refined carbohydrates, the stuff
that you break down in order to eat because that
turns into sugar. So what is it. It's all the
white stuff, so bread, rice, pasta, potatoes, all the stuff
that we love. Right, But it doesn't mean you can't
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eat it. I don't want to make people like I
can eat, but you can. First of all, limit how
much you eat. But then you can substitute it, like
sometimes why don't you can eat some califer flour rice
Once in a while, you can eat.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Cauliflower master.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
As a substitute.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
As a substitute, it depends on ice what it helps.
But again there's still some carbs in it.
Speaker 6 (28:24):
So what I tell people, it makes me poop clean
and what would make me go to the day.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
But what I tell people is I'm not saying you
can't eat carbs. What I said tell people is, look,
I want you to get your carbs down less than
one hundred.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Think of it like this.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
You got one hundred dollars in the atem that you
can withdraw every single day. I need you to be
one hundred dollars or less, so you can't overdraft. You
can't draw more than one hundred dollars. So listen, if
you give, I'll get your hundred dollars. If you want
to spend seventy five dollars on a bagel, because that's
how many carbs are in a bagel.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
And you know, there's a lot of apps that you
can use it. Actually, you input what you eat and
it'll even tell you like certain restaurants. You put that
in and it'll track all of that for you. So
every day, if you can track what you're spending on
your carbs exactly, then you can stay.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Away from like potatoes. I don't really do rice bread,
but I like to have pasta every now and then.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
And that's okay if it's every now and then. But then,
like what we don't know is like a lot of
things that have carbs, Like some people are like, well,
all I do is eat fruit and vegetables. I'm like, okay,
so what kind of fruit did you eat? They'd be like,
I eat six bananas a day, and I'll be like, okay,
So just so you know, not fruit is good.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
But let's break it down.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
One large banana has the exact same amount of sugar
in it as a Snickers bar, So you gotta be mindful, now,
mind you, that's about thirty to thirty five grams of.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Cars But it's a different type of sugar, right.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
It's the same type of sugar.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
The difference is that a banana and a sna bar
is different in the sense that your glycemic index, which
I'm not going to bore you about, but the bottom
line is that your body will metabolize the sugar in
the banana much more healthier, i'd say, than the one
in the sugars bar because it has fiber in it
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and so the absorption is much lower. But the bottom
line is you still eventually are going to get those
thirty to thirty five grams of sugar. And so if
you were to compare a banana to berries and any berry, strawberries, bluebirds, BlackBerry,
any berry, a handful of berries only has nine grams
of cars so you're much better off eating berries than
you are if you're following a particularly if you're following
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a low carb diet, then you are eating in a banana.
So it doesn't mean you can't eat a banana, but
maybe eat half of the banana. So instead of thirty carbs,
you're getting fifteen grams.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
And how do you eat it? Do you eat it?
Speaker 5 (30:48):
Like breaking down like that?
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Wow, gizzies.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
All right, well listen, doctor Romie Hint, thank you so
much for joining us today.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Again.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
The book that you have out is the No Guesswork Diet,
and it's transform transformative for a lot of people. I
know a lot of people that you've helped, and so
that's why I wanted to make sure I brought you
up here, because I've been watching so many things and
reading so many different stories, and so I wanted to
get it straight from you.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Yeah, and I want to just say the reason I
wrote this book is because there's doctors do not really
help us with with with weight loss. We blame it
on the patient and so but that's not what we
should be doing. So I wrote this book to take
the guest work that's why I called them no guest
work out of healthy living and and and to help
you get to a healthier weight because there's so many
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gimmicks out there, and because doctors don't instruct you. You
are on late night television flipping through the channel like
I'm anna by this tummy roller. I'm gonna do it
a drink and and and it's dizzy. And so that's
why I wanted to wrect because these are facts. I
got references in the back. I'm actually in the studio,
may know, produce some do my audiobook though I'm not rapping,
but but yeah, so I'm in the sort of audiobook
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will be out in about six weeks. So if you
know so you can, you can read it, you can
listen to it. So and I hope you like it.
If you do, just let us know.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
And where can people find you?
Speaker 4 (32:13):
They can find me on social media, although I'm not
on there as much as I should be at at
at doctor Ramik Hunt on all R A M A
C K Doctor And then you know I'm a part
of the Three Doctors. We wrote a bestseller called The Pack,
the New York Times bestseller. We actually and this is
public knowledge. We're actually working with CBS on a television
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series for that book.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Finally, I've been waiting forever for this movie or a
series to come. So that's a male yes. And everybody
read that book, The Pact growing up. It was three doctors.
You guys were friends growing up, and you made a
pack to become doctors, and you fulfill that after overcoming
many obstacles.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
I told Manor he would love you.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
I was a you know, attempted murder charge and went
on to become.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
A doctor, stopping.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
You always want to bring up old stuff, right, You
always want to bring up old stoff new madeo, new
doctor rob me, not the old version.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
The new brand better than the old brand.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Thank you, thank you being real, real real, Yes, right,
so I appreciate you and all the work that you've
been doing.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Mayo, ready for a new Mado.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
That's right, I'm about to get right.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
All right. It's the way up at Angela.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
You get right, the right way
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Way
Wam.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
What's up? Is way up at Angela yee. I'm Angela yee.
And Mano is here. And Meno has been complaining and
saying that he is battling OBCD every day now. And
so what I did was I took the liberty to
invite a very special friend, doctor Ramik Hunt.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
What's up? What's up with doctor Hunt?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I'm good, I'm good. How you doing?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I'm good? Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
You are an obesity medicine specialist and you're an author,
no guess work right, and that is a weight loss program.
But you also have you founded an obcit clinic?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Yeah, yeah, And in printing about ten years ago when
I had a patient who was battling obesity, and I
really couldn't help her because we don't really learn a
lot about OBCD in medical school, and so the only
knowledge we get in medical school is forwards, eat less.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Move more, That's it.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
And so that's what I told her, and that was
that wasn't helpful, of course, But when she came back
in one day, she had gained some more weight. She
was really really trying. And I talk about this in
a book. I asked a question. I was like you know,
are your children obese? And I wasn't trying to be like,
you know, offensive of anything like that. And I hope
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the way I said it didn't she didn't feel that way,
but she started to cry and when she left, like
her whole life changed. Like long story short, about a
year later, she came in one hundred pounds less and
she thanked me for it, and I was like, I
ain't really do nothing, you know, but it made me
want to go out and learn more. And so I
just google like obesity doctors like because it wasn't anything
(01:35):
like that out there. And then the organization I'm a
part of, the Obesity Medicine Association. I went to that
conference and then I got I trained, got board certified,
and started started to practice.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I love that because right now that's a hot topic
right and as of late, we see a lot of
celebrities and now that's trickled down people using these weight
loss drugs that have been causing them to drop crazy
amounts of way. We've heard of ozempic and with Govy
and so I really wanted to bring you on here
just to talk about so much that's been happening, mano,
(02:10):
Like I said, every day comes in here and complains.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
And then I'm guilty of like buying pizza and stuff
like that with the battle on them faced with and
then you know, cheese. It's in the corner every single day.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So I just wanted there's so many different things I
want to talk about with you, because you talk about resetting,
what your weight is, you talk about Grellin, and I
remember we had a great conversation about that.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I pay attention, No you do.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
I mean, last time mob was up, there was a battle.
But but I think me and May are gonna be good.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah, I think so too. Yeah, So what is the
cause of obesity? Because some people think, like you said,
it's just that you're eating too much and you're not exercising,
because people will look at you, just like Lizzo right.
For instance, Lizzo works out all the time, she's a
healthy diet, she's a vegetarian. But people always are like, oh,
she's not doing anything, and they criticize her and they
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body shame her all the time. So can you talk
about what is the reason why some people can appear
to be OBEs?
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:06):
So I actually take care of a lot of celebrities too,
And one of the things I tell anybody who I
take care of is that obesity is a disease just
like any other disease, like high blood pressure or diabetes,
and our bodies have set points. Like, for instance, you
have a set point for your PhD seven point four h.
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If you deviate from that set point, your body brings
you back. You don't have to will power your way
back to seven point four. Oh, your temperature is set
at ninety eight point six. If you deviate, if you
go up, you're gonna sweat. If you go down, you're
gonna shiver. Those are set points. Your body has a
set point for your weight as well. It's like think
of it as a thermostat. So if your thermostat is
set at eighty and then your temperature goes down, the
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furnace kicks in and then it brings it back to eighty,
and the furnace shuts off. If the temperature goes up,
the ac cuts turns on and it goes brings you
back to eighty and it shuts off. Has the same mechanism,
but it does it with hormones. One of the hormones
is called grellin. I call it in my book the
hunger grimlin. So Grellin activates your craving center in your brain.
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And then there are these other satiating hormones in your gut,
which is actually the Olympics and the will govies of
the world. They pharmaceutical companies were able to manufacture it,
and so those it's seven of them. So these seven
hormones fight against this one big bag grelling. And so
the way your body works is if you lose weight,
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your body wants you to get back to your set
point weight. Let's say it's two fifty, so you two hundred.
It's gonna get you back there. So how it does
like it can't make you grab a big mac. But
what your body can do is increase your grelling tenfold
and reduce your satiating hormones, the one that makes you
feel satisfied and full to zero, so you never quite
feel sensitari and you always like I just want something.
(04:56):
And so that's why I say this is not a
willlpower disease. It is not the person's fault. It has
to do with hormoes, the grimlin. It's the criminal. And
sure everybody has some you know, steak in the game.
Obviously you got to put in the work. But like
we do rat studies, Well, we stick a catheter in
the rat's brain and we infuse grelin or the grimlin
and they eat e e eat until they vomit. Same rat,
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you stick a catheter in their brain and you block grelling.
They stare at the food and they at the until
they starved at that because like, this is the one
powerful these hormones are. So when people say, oh, it's
just will power, you just will power is an emotion.
It is like love hate. It is so you could
you could get up on the wrong side of the
bed and not have willpower that there. So that is
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not a good strategy for the city.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
And so how can you how can yeah, how can
you reset your set point? Then? Because I feel like
the set point changes too.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
You know, when you're younger, you're like, okay, I was
one twenty and a few years later one thirty, then
a few years later one thirty five, and your set
point keeps on changing.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
How can you reset that?
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Or can you that's a good that's a very good
question that we and specialists in obcit space fight over
all the time. I'm in the camp that you can
reset your set point, but it takes many, many years.
So the set point has to do with a lot
of inflammation in your brain in this area called the
hypothalamus and a smaller area called the arcuate nucleus, and
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that area gets inflamed and that changes your set point.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
And a lot of things change your set point. The
types of.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Food that we particularly carbohydrates, and so when people say
things like, oh, I'm eating bright, they might be like,
they have this if you have a Soto's commercials back
in the day.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
They don't put them on the air anymore.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
But when they had kids that were starving, so you
had the one set of kids that were really, really skinny,
and then you can see their ribs, right, that's one
set that's called Those kids are called morassmus kids, that's
the medical term for it. But then the other kids
were skinny in their arms and legs, and then they had.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
A big old belly.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Those kids ate enough calories, but they were poor, so
they couldn't eat or get protein like meat basically, so
they would only eat grains. I eat carbs, and so
their belly is not just fluid, it's actually fat. But
then you got to be like, well, then how they
have energy for their bodies. Well, their body had to
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take the energy from their muscle, which is why their
arms and legs are skinny. So what's a science to this?
So if you eat a lot of carbohydrates, you will
gain weight and so so part of what we do
is we tell people to limit their carbohydrates and learn
how to navigate in this low carb world, I mean
this high carb worold we live in a high carbor
We definitely could.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I'd be having them carb craving, not as like bread
though away from bread, yes, it's hard. It doesn't matter
what hype of bread to eat though, because I'm always like, Okay,
I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Get some ezekiel bread or something. Well, so wheat.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
That's funny about wheat because like the government allows you
to say it's wheat if you just sprinkle a little
wheat on it, if it's a little around, so it
doesn't have to be like.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Whole week.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
The one hundred is one hundred percent of the things
that they dropped in the flower that was yeah, exactly,
if you if you got a bread that's full of fiber,
because that's what that's what wheat is basically, right, it's
a car, but it's a fiber. A fiber is harder
to break down. In fact, some fiber doesn't get broke down.
It just comes out in your stool. But if you
were to eat like a real, like straight up fiber bread,
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it would it would taste like cardboard.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Now to mind you, we do. They do sell them,
and some of them are okay.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
And they do taste like carb.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
You put a lot of butter on it, you'll be okay.
And I also so now maynokep On saying that he's
battling obese.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
I'm clinically. When you look at me, I'm clinically.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
And and I want to discuss that because they just
said the American Metal Association has adapted a new policy
on healthy weight assessment because they did say that the
bar for what they're saying is obese is racist in
the way that it was. So can you touch on
that a little bit because this report just came out.
As far as I'm considering other factors including body composition,
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belly fat, and waste circumference.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Yes, shout out to doctor Fatima Cody Stanford. Doctor Stanford
is in Harvard and she's an African American female, and
she has been a champion of that for a long
long time and she's a good friend of mine, and
so she has done studies to show that different be
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and mys for different different ethnicities have different risk factors
for diabetes and high blood pressure. So, for instance, Asian population,
we use it being my thirty for obesit in America,
but Asian would start to what we consider obese at
lower like twenty seven would be their OBC.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
And so in African American men and women are different.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
So the push is to be more specific and not
one size fit all for the being my because of
being my, it's just your height and your weight.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
And then that's it. What if you're a football player,
you all muscle, right, you're not obese.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
You don or you might not be obese.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
I'm not a football player, but.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
You can't look at somebody and say this person is obese.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
Right, because I've been to adoptors and then they get
you on the scale, right, and then they check and
see how told you all and say, well, at this height,
this is what feet you should be one and it.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Be ridiculous, every ridiculous, like this.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Is what they say, and I'm like, well, I'm one
ninety five obese.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
So it's not right.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
It's not right, it's it's the problem with the B
in my is that it is a very cost effective
or cheap way to be able to identify somebody who
has obesity.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
But it's it's not personally.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
It's not a one size fits it's not.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
A one size Because what I would do if you
came to me, man, I would put you on this
body composition machine, this BIA which you stand on.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
It's like a star Trek scale look like.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
And so you stand on it and these electricity comes
through your body, very small current. And the way we
tell your fat, water and muscle is the speed at
which that electricity goes through your body. And then I
could calculate that Let's say your muscle mass weighs seventy pounds,
your fat mass weighs ninety pounds, and so I use
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that and I do that for patients every two to
three months so that we can see if they're losing fat,
muscle both. And that allows me to be able to
give them a specific prescription for themselves and say, hey,
you need to eat thirty grams more of protein. And
then you know, we do segmental what we call BIA's
the body composition, so I'll know how much muscle you
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got in the left rom.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Versus the right, your left leg versus your right.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
So we put people on the machine, and I'm able
so the tools that I have, I'm able to do
more tailored, tailored treatments. But everybody can't do that because
my machine costs with teen thousand dollars, so everybody, every
doctor can't put one another.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Yes, it's Jersey.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Machine.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
I'm coming for the Star Trek electricity.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
And I want to ask you this.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
So as far as medication, now, let's talk about this
crazy that's.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Been going on.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Because originally ozimpic was for type two diabetes. Correct correct, right,
And so now a lot of people have been using
that to drop the weight like this, How safe is that?
And because I've been hearing a lot of different things,
if you stop using it, the weight comes back. It's expensive,
and it's something that you have to continue to be
on and if you get off of it, you know,
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then it loses everything that's happened to you. I've heard
instances where people have said it's caused them to lose
their vision and things like that because there are side
effects that can come with that, and I know people
who have used it and have had to stop for
whatever reason. And then some people are saying, well, people
can't get their diabetes medication because people are using.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
This just for weight loss.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
How safe is it to use something like ozempic and
is it a long term solution or what is it?
Speaker 4 (13:01):
That's so, you gave me a bunch, but I'm gonna
try to be brief, even though I'm not a brief person,
but anyway, I'm gonna be brief. So before ozempic, there
was BY eight of which is like fifteen twenty years old,
so it's the same class or drugs. I've been using
ozmpic for years before any celebrity knew about it, because
we know the mechanism is one of those satiating hormones
(13:22):
that I was talking to you about. So let's get
back to what it's used for. It's used for diabetes
type two diabetes, but it's also used with used for obesity.
The generic name of it is semaglatide, but the FDA
made us change the name. If we are using it
for diabetes, we got to call it ozimpic. If we're
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using it for obesity. We got to call it we goovi,
so it's very clear as to what.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
But it's the same thing, the exact same drugs. That's crazy.
Idn't know it was the same thing.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Okay, exact same drug. We put it in different pins.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
The Goovi pin looks different than the ozempic pin, but
that's intentional. So it's exact same medication. So when people
say they can't get it and they use it for
their type, their diabetes, and people are using it for obesity, again,
that means that you don't respect obesity as a disease
because it's obesity is a disease just like diabetes, and
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in fact, obesity causes diabetes.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Obesity causes hypertension.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
So if you have an obesity centric approach to taking
care of a patient, you will cure there or control
their diabetes and their high blood pressure and all these
other things. And so it is absolutely appropriate to use
these medicines for obesity. In fact, obesity is the number
one disease in this country, in fact the world, more
(14:43):
so than high blood pressure, diabetes, cancer, everything, and obesity
causes all these things. It's an inflammatory process, so it
actually leads to cancers, it's associated specifically with thirteen cancers,
but many more it's associated with and particularly guy cancers
like so uterine cancer, breast cancer, all these things. So
(15:04):
obesity is something that we should use to treat it. Now,
as far as the side effects that you were saying, Angela,
like the the vision thing, that is a rare thing
that actually could happen.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
It's not like something new that we didn't know.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
It's because you can correct someone's sugar googles very rapidly
when you use these medications, because they're very effective, and
so they have a black box like go on there
to say, hey, you know, make sure your your your
eyes are okay.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
But the.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
What it causes this thing called diabetical right napathy. It
actually is a temporary thing and it's very very rare.
I've never seen it. But other diabetes drugs do the
same thing. So insulin even has that warning on it
that it can correct your sugar so so rapidly that
it can affect your vision. So that's actually not a
big deal. The other things that these drugs like the
(16:00):
Olympics and amandyros and the Govies of the world can
cause our mostly gi side effects because the hormone you
produce in your body. It's it's the pharmaceutical company manufactured.
So it's ninety eight ninety four to ninety eight percent
similar to what we all produce and so and it's
produced in your gut.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
So the biggest side.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Effect is, particularly if you overeat, is nausea and vomiting.
And so that's why we ty trate the dose up
very slowly over three to four months actually, so that
you won't get that nausea.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Vominating can cause, rhea rarely can cause.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
So it suppresses your appetite, is right? Okay?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Because I also saw the doctor they said that created
the what is it called the semug sema glue tide,
said that it makes life very boring and people won't
want to be on it for extended periods of time
because it makes you not enjoy food.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
You don't want to go out and eat.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
No, that's not true.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
You know how we love having our parties up here?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I don't. That's right, that's right, man, that's right.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Okay. So what happens if you stop taking it?
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Right?
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Does the weight come back?
Speaker 4 (17:03):
So we we've were not we because the nova notice
is the one that the.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Has Ozimpic and Mogov.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
But there we've done studies or they've done studies on
that specifically. And so when you stop the medication, roughly
about eighty percent of people regain their weight and not
when you look at the curve because they went out
the three years. When you look at the curve, it
goes up, but it doesn't go completely to where their
(17:32):
starting weight is. But the but but the thought is
that if they if they kept the study going, you
would probably see it go right back to your baseline.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Weight, which proves the second point.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Theory and the Grelland but what I want to say
about that is this is the same medication Ozmpic or
with Goov that if you had diabetes, you would stay
on it for life to control your diabetes.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
If you have obesity, most.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
People would need to stay on it for life to
control their obesity. Now what I do is if you
come to me and we need to help with medication,
which I think medication is super important for most people
because what you're telling somebody to do is to fight
this fight.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Like you. Let's say you're in a heavyweight fight. You
fighting a heavyweight champion.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Of the world, and your odds aren't that good in
the first place. And then somebody says, hey, have this
fight with I want you to get rid of one
of your tools. So we're gonna tie one of your
hands behind your back and you're gonna fight the heavyweight
champion of the world.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
There's no wins in me.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Conser like, you're not gonna win that fight, and so
I need to give you all your tools and will
go vi your Olympic and whatever.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Min general are the tools.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
And so what I tell people is we're gonna use
it until we get to your goal weight.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
And if you.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Want to stop this medication at that time, we can,
but we're gonna monitor you.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I'm not gonna be.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Like, good job, I'll see you in a thousand years,
Like no, I'm gonna mind. And if your weight starts
to go back up, we're gonna put you back on it.
But some people they go, you know what, I have
so much control over my life.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I feel happy.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
So when he said that people who live a boring life,
my experience is totally different. They live a great life
because they can have control. They might just take a
bite of pizza and like I'm good because they have
that kind of control.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
That yahous two or three slices. What about other things
like pennamine.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
So so so mano talk. So these are oral medications.
So Finchermine is one. The brand name was atapects. People
know about atipacts. So those medications work too, they're they're
they're good too. They're not as good as the medications
that are the injectable medications because those medications are produced
by your body. Basically, they just manufactured it in the lab.
(19:45):
But finchermine does does work, but the stimulate.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Stops working after a while, right like if you take it,
if you prescribe, because I was prescribed that all time
and then I took all of them, then it stopped working.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
So so Finchermine is one of those medicines where some
people develop tolerance to it, so that means like after
a while, it's not as effective as it was when
you first took it, so then people go up on
the dose. But one of the problems is not that
you develop tolerance, is that you realize that you have
control and you don't have cravings. But you might see
(20:20):
this cake on the table and you don't really even
want it, but it's there, but it's this I got control.
Take a bite and guess what, You only take a bite,
so you feeling you're feeling real big bag, big bad
and bold. The next time you go, you might take
two pikes. The next time you might take three. And
what happens is Fentchermin can only let's say, block ten,
you know, ten carbs from coming.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
In before it goes down to you all day. It's
not all day.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
And if some of these carbs can get by a
Fenchermin or ozimpic even or any of them meds and
hit that button to activate your craving center, it's too late.
So I tell people when they're on these medications, if
they if that happens to them going a three day
carb detox. But what I tell them before that is
that if you see that cake and you know you
(21:05):
don't really want it, don't eat it because you're going
to self sabotage yourself because.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
We end up going out and socially, yeah problem, yeah,
that is because you have those things in the house
or somebody brings.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
It to you, or they're like, here, I brought you
a baggage.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Oh yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Next thing, you know, come in here with cakes and
don't you know stuff like that. That's that's listen, I'm
driving by Krispy Kreme, that.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Red light is on.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
I'm like no, yes, yes, no, yes, yes.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
I'm telling you these medications will help you have better
control over those And we again, we don't live in
a low car world. So it's like, you know, to
tell somebody to eat you know, celery with some dip.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
It's like that people.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Who just want to lose a few pounds, right because
they have a vacation coming up or something like that,
and then they're like, let me get my hands on
some ozempic. Because it is important to make sure that
you monitor this and prescribe this absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
So that's another thing.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
So one, if you want to lose a couple of
pounds just because you want to lose a couple of
pounds and you don't have obesity, that is not FDA.
It proved that is not something that we would recommend.
And and the whole thing about being prescribed one is
that there are a lot of weight clinics where you
just give them, give them some cash and they'll give
you some finch mean, but they don't tell you nothing
(22:21):
about the diet of how things work.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
And they don't educate you. And so most people it'll.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Work even if you if you don't have you have
no brains at all, because it will just work. But
if you if I give you a little knowledge, you
can use that tool to then beat that fight. And
so that's the problem. And the other thing is you
definitely need to be prescribed it because when you see
people pull ozimpic or goovi out of a vial, it
(22:47):
is not mozimpic or govi because it doesn't come in
a vil. And if you get in that it's compounded
from somebody who put it together and you don't know
where you getting your stuff from, just like if you got.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
It's not in a vowel, it's no, it's not, is
it No, it's in a pen. It does not come
into vile. Period.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
To make sure you get in mind, because you also
want to make sure you know how it's going to
react to your body.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
I assumed write anything like this.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
This is a serious meta, especially especially if you have
diabetes because some of the medications that we give people
for diabetes.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
If you are not a physician, you won't know how
to tell that patient, hey, you know what you need
to cut that in half or stop it all together
when I give you this with GOVI or Olympic, so
it's important to do it with the doctor. But again,
if it's in a vile and you pulling it out
with a syringe, that is not ozempical. With GOOVI or
mind general, it's none of them because all of them
come prepackaged in a pen.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
How did this get so popular all of a sudden?
Because I feel like this is new, Like you know,
this is a fairly recent thing. All of a sudden,
everyone's on it, people are watching. I saw an article
I think it was I don't know if it was
the New York Times where people were talking about the
shame that they have with admitting that they're on ozempic
to lose the weight.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
But people are also looking.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
We saw Elon musk yes saying that he would taking
it and how amazing it is.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
But it feels like a craze all of a sudden,
and how did that happen?
Speaker 4 (24:06):
I think it's the celebrities because I've again, I've been
using it for years before and I didn't have any
issues getting it now because everybody wants it because celebrities
are talking about it and endorsing it, and they're not
endorsing it through the companies. Because I work closely with
all these companies, so I can tell you that the
companies are not endorsing these people saying that these are
(24:26):
great drugs. It is the celebrities that are saying. And
you see the results, like particularly with these new ones,
and I'm gonna tell you need to put some stock
in these companies because they are They're more that are
coming out that are going to be even more effective
than the ones that are out now, and you're gonna
get you won't have to have for a lot of
people won't even need gastric bypass or the sleeve because
(24:49):
these medications are going to give you those numbers.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
So I'm trying. I'm like constantly trying to get this
brustly body.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Oh my gosh, no fat up, just cut up?
Speaker 5 (25:02):
What should I do?
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Listen?
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Man, I tell people all the time, like the Hollywood
celebrities and their trainers no, Like I saw this interview
with Michael B. Jordan and they were like, well, how'd
you get so cut up for CREE three? And he joked,
but he was serious. He was like, oh yeah, my
trainer and we're working with. All I ate was chicken
and he joked about it, but basically that's what he means, like,
you need a little carb diet. Did there is? This
(25:25):
is science, This is not this hocus pocus stuff. If
you could get your carbs down and get it well,
I first have people start below one hundred grams per day,
but if you get it even lower, you will get
that because what happens is insulin. This is all a
hormone game. So it's grelling, it's still satiating hormones, but
then it's insulin, which is another hormone. Insulin is your
(25:47):
fat story hormone. So if you if your insulin is high,
which carbs make your pinkers secrete insulin? If your insulin
is high, it actually takes that that that food that
you eat, and it packs it away. That's why I
told you those those kids with the big bellies, that's
what happens to them. If your insulin is low, you
can actually burn the food that you eat and also
(26:07):
burn fat because when your insulin is high, you can't
turn the fat burning switch on. It's impossible to turn
on the fat burning switch. If your insulin is high
and the only way to get it low is to
get your carbs down. I mean also intermitting fasting works
for the same reason that you don't eat for a
certain amount of time, so that way you're not stimulating insulin.
(26:30):
But when people say I'm going to reduce my calories,
I thought it was calories and calories out.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
It's not.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
It's carbs and carbs out. And they like, well, why
does why does a low calorie diet work? Well, the
three macronutrients in your food. It's carbs, it's protein, and
it's fat. If you reduce your calories, you reduce all
three of them, including carbs.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
So that's why you lose weight. But you don't have
to reduce protein or fat. You only have to reduce carbs.
So why you're reducing all those.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Other things, which is why you can eat hardy with
a little carb diet, because you can eat proteins and
healthy fats. Another thing about fat, real quick, the healthiest
diet in the world is a Mediterranean diet, and that
diet is full of fat. It it's fifty to sixty
percent fat, healthy fat.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
You're ready to have.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
A black What are some of the car Because we
about the huge information I got you, I got you,
I got your brothers a day.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
I don't know if I got you like that.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
You know, what I'm saying is what are some of
the cobs that people need to stay away from? We know,
bread and hasty crean.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
It's pretty, it's pretty, like I give them the big
picture of it. So it's obviously sugar in those sweet sugar.
But then it's what we call refined carbohydrates, the stuff
that you break down in order to eat because that
turns into sugar. So what is it. It's all the
white stuff, so bread, rice, pasta, potatoes, all the stuff
that we love. Right, But it doesn't mean you can't
(27:59):
eat it. I don't want to make people like I
can eat, but you can. First of all, limit how
much you eat. But then you can substitute it, like
sometimes why don't you can eat some califer flour rice
Once in a while, you can eat.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Cauliflower master.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
As a substitute.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
As a substitute, it depends on ice what it helps.
But again there's still some carbs in it.
Speaker 6 (28:24):
So what I tell people, it makes me poop clean
and what would make me go to the day.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
But what I tell people is I'm not saying you
can't eat carbs. What I said tell people is, look,
I want you to get your carbs down less than
one hundred.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Think of it like this.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
You got one hundred dollars in the atem that you
can withdraw every single day. I need you to be
one hundred dollars or less, so you can't overdraft. You
can't draw more than one hundred dollars. So listen, if
you give, I'll get your hundred dollars. If you want
to spend seventy five dollars on a bagel, because that's
how many carbs are in a bagel.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
And you know, there's a lot of apps that you
can use it. Actually, you input what you eat and
it'll even tell you like certain restaurants. You put that
in and it'll track all of that for you. So
every day, if you can track what you're spending on
your carbs exactly, then you can stay.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Away from like potatoes. I don't really do rice bread,
but I like to have pasta every now and then.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
And that's okay if it's every now and then. But then,
like what we don't know is like a lot of
things that have carbs, Like some people are like, well,
all I do is eat fruit and vegetables. I'm like, okay,
so what kind of fruit did you eat? They'd be like,
I eat six bananas a day, and I'll be like, okay,
So just so you know, not fruit is good.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
But let's break it down.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
One large banana has the exact same amount of sugar
in it as a Snickers bar, So you gotta be mindful, now,
mind you, that's about thirty to thirty five grams of.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Cars But it's a different type of sugar, right.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
It's the same type of sugar.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
The difference is that a banana and a sna bar
is different in the sense that your glycemic index, which
I'm not going to bore you about, but the bottom
line is that your body will metabolize the sugar in
the banana much more healthier, i'd say, than the one
in the sugars bar because it has fiber in it
(30:16):
and so the absorption is much lower. But the bottom
line is you still eventually are going to get those
thirty to thirty five grams of sugar. And so if
you were to compare a banana to berries and any berry, strawberries, bluebirds, BlackBerry,
any berry, a handful of berries only has nine grams
of cars so you're much better off eating berries than
you are if you're following a particularly if you're following
(30:39):
a low carb diet, then you are eating in a banana.
So it doesn't mean you can't eat a banana, but
maybe eat half of the banana. So instead of thirty carbs,
you're getting fifteen grams.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
And how do you eat it? Do you eat it?
Speaker 5 (30:48):
Like breaking down like that?
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Wow, gizzies.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
All right, well listen, doctor Romie Hint, thank you so
much for joining us today.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Again.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
The book that you have out is the No Guesswork Diet,
and it's transform transformative for a lot of people. I
know a lot of people that you've helped, and so
that's why I wanted to make sure I brought you
up here, because I've been watching so many things and
reading so many different stories, and so I wanted to
get it straight from you.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Yeah, and I want to just say the reason I
wrote this book is because there's doctors do not really
help us with with with weight loss. We blame it
on the patient and so but that's not what we
should be doing. So I wrote this book to take
the guest work that's why I called them no guest
work out of healthy living and and and to help
you get to a healthier weight because there's so many
(31:41):
gimmicks out there, and because doctors don't instruct you. You
are on late night television flipping through the channel like
I'm anna by this tummy roller. I'm gonna do it
a drink and and and it's dizzy. And so that's
why I wanted to wrect because these are facts. I
got references in the back. I'm actually in the studio,
may know, produce some do my audiobook though I'm not rapping,
but but yeah, so I'm in the sort of audiobook
(32:04):
will be out in about six weeks. So if you
know so you can, you can read it, you can
listen to it. So and I hope you like it.
If you do, just let us know.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
And where can people find you?
Speaker 4 (32:13):
They can find me on social media, although I'm not
on there as much as I should be at at
at doctor Ramik Hunt on all R A M A
C K Doctor And then you know I'm a part
of the Three Doctors. We wrote a bestseller called The Pack,
the New York Times bestseller. We actually and this is
public knowledge. We're actually working with CBS on a television
(32:34):
series for that book.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Finally, I've been waiting forever for this movie or a
series to come. So that's a male yes. And everybody
read that book, The Pact growing up. It was three doctors.
You guys were friends growing up, and you made a
pack to become doctors, and you fulfill that after overcoming
many obstacles.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
I told Manor he would love you.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
I was a you know, attempted murder charge and went
on to become.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
A doctor, stopping.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
You always want to bring up old stuff, right, You
always want to bring up old stoff new madeo, new
doctor rob me, not the old version.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
The new brand better than the old brand.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Thank you, thank you being real, real real, Yes, right,
so I appreciate you and all the work that you've
been doing.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Mayo, ready for a new Mado.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
That's right, I'm about to get right.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
All right. It's the way up at Angela.
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