Lynn Whitfield On Potential Dates, Scenes With Jason Weaver, 'The Chi,' + More
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Yeah, it's way up and I guess this is my friend.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
You know what I'm saying. Lynn Whitfield is in the building. Hi,
my love.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
And before we started this, I was like, we'll wait
till the cameras are rolling. Yes, but you got us
so lit when you came and did the lip Service podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Oh I had so much fun. Good, I had so
much fun. I mean I did not know what I
was walking into. And when everything started to get real,
I was like, oh, okay, well I'm roll with you.
We all roll with this.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I love that. And now you're like the bar.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
So if somebody's like all lipservy, I said, Lyn Whitfield
did it, and then it's like oh okay. And then
in the comments, people were like, how did y'all get
Lynn Whitfield on lip Service? Like it was such a
big deal. You know, Jamil Hill was in there, like
I've been trying to get an interview with her for
the longest.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Can we make that happen? Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Well, you know what, you got me in there because
it's you, and I trust you. I trust you as
an interviewer. I mean we've been we've I think this
is our third interview that we've done, and I just
trust you that you're gonna land it where it's supposed
to go, that you know where you're going is a
(01:15):
safe space for us to go. And so because I
trust you, it's easy.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
That's important too.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
You know that you say that because sometimes people feel
like interviews have to be like you know, it can
be scary sometimes for people to go to places where
you don't feel like, is this a safe space for
me to be in?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Yeah, but even if it's edgy, and even if it's
even controversial in a way, I trust that you're headed.
Is there's a reason to the.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Madness, and the intentions are always good. Yes.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
We never want you to feel like, oh, I want
you to walk away and be like that was fun, yes,
if nothing else.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
And I did feel so, you know everywhere I went
like girl, Magic City.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
What if you pop up there? It's all and popping.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
But listen, part of what we're here for is the
shy and you have that on fire right now.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
You know what people are saying.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Tell me they want Alicia to take over everything, Okay, they.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Want your character to be in charge.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
They want you to kill someone, they want to kill
Duda basically, Yeah, and you know, we haven't seen the
last episode. Yeah, so we don't know what's going to happen.
But I'm just saying from what I've seen so far
and from what my thoughts are, I keep saying, everybody's
really me. But first of all, I love to see
a powerful woman who is in charge, and a lot
(02:42):
of times we love the villain. And I'm trying to
figure out how much of a villain you are. So
when you think about how you are playing this role
of Alisha on the Shy, what did you decide, like,
as far do you consider yourself a villain? Do you
consider yourself just somebody that's been had a lot of
things done.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
To you that you're just kind of coping with.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
No. I I don't think of her as a villain,
you know. I think if if dudahaddn't killed her brother
and her ex husband, Oh that hurt, right, Leon? I
mean we still we just see I.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Mean, Leon, I know so and you loved him, Yeah,
you could see yeah that you were like please, like
it was like you wanted to get back together with him.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
You could see yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Because there were no lines too that said no. It
was quite add but Okay, good good, yes, because you know, oh,
she loved comfortable love sometimes is like that, like we
can't be together, but I love you, right, and I
would try if you would, you know, but getting all
that and nonverbal communication and behavior, so thank you so
(03:58):
much for getting it. But I think that Alicia had
had that not happened, had those two men in her
life not been taken from her, I don't think that
she would be out gunning for somebody. She'd be you know,
buying up more property and doing the scholarship raising thing
(04:19):
and doing it. I mean, you know it. She was provoked. Yeah,
all right, so let's there was provocation.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Let's dig into that a little.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Okay, So first of all, let me see where do
we start with this. When we think about that, though,
it also feels like you're willing to, as the queen,
use your son as a pawn to go out there
and risk his own life on the front. So so
which is emi Shmper's carriage?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Okay, okay, but here's the thing, not a pawn? Right
In all kinds of family legacy rate, there's you want
to know that your offspring is strong enough if you
came tomorrow, right, something happens you want to know that
(05:12):
they can handle everything, okay, Right, So Alicia was used
to Alicia was used to having her brother handle all
the heavy lifting of retribution or whatever needed to happen.
She didn't have to like know and Leon and Leon
what's his name on there?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Again?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I keep calling I can't what let's call it because
if we can't add Alonzo. So so really she was
kind of like protected from all from having to do
any of that stuff herself.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Right, So.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
She didn't use her son as a pawn, but she
did send him out there in the world to do
something that was danger for him to do. So I
agree with that, but not as a pawn. Do you
think she wanted him to be stronger?
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Did at least I realize how powerful Duda was, though,
you feel like when she did that, because he's really dangerous,
that's the type of thing.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Well, they not for years, and Curtis and I decided
that Curtis, who plays Duda, and I you know, decided
that they probably found each other attractive back in the day,
maybe didn't act on it, but there was that kind
of tension as well. Uh, I don't think that because
(06:45):
she's not really in the street. The time that she
didn't realize how but for her it was more of
a manhood test for him. Okay, I get it that
you're going to be strong enough to match your back
because I mean he's getting all the time, he's he
still speaks to her as if he were a little boy.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
You know, mom, what, Yeah, I'm not feeling like he's capable.
I'm not feeling like he's capable.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Like and it's but you tried, but that that is alicious.
You know, that's her achilles heel. She should be able
to see. That's not That's who your brother was, That's
who your ex husband was able.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
This is not your son's had a good life and
a good upbringing.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Well. Yeah, in the first scene we ever had together,
in the first episode that I was in in the
sixth season. You know, how do you think you got
to go to all those private schools? I think you
got to do all that stuff? How did you walk
around and come from and where did it come from?
You know? So, But as a cautionary tale, I think
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that happens often right in real families where the parents
want to force their kids into being able to take
over the family business, being something that they're not. You know,
I think there's a cautionary tale in that.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
For parents, Right, It's like, we want you to have
these streetsmarts, but we don't put you in all these
private schools and.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Made you.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
And you know, and you're a girl mom obviously, you know.
We love Grace Gibson. Yes, So do you ever think
about what life would be like with a son? Also
when you're filming something like this, it's probably a whole different.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
It would be a whole different thing. And when I
got pregnant, I wanted a boy. I wanted a boy
so bad that I was at the opening it was
opening night of Josephine Baker and it was going to
be a MoMA the premiere, right the part of the
(08:58):
premiere party, and the doctor called and said, you're having
a girl. I cried off all my makeup. But why
Because I knew I'd have to grow up.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Absolutely, And it's like I have to be a strong
woman if I'm going to have a girl child. And
I just didn't want to give up my own childhood,
you know, So yes, but I would never ever send
Grace out. Lynn would never send Grace out to do
(09:31):
something that would put her in harm's way to have
her grow up.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Now listen, let's get into this. Because when you did Lipsabers,
we were like, who could Lynn Whitfield date?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
You know, younger guys, you think of somebody.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Well listen.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Then when we watched The Shy and we see these
steamy scenes with Jason Weavers.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
I am so enjoying working with him. Well we have fun, you.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Know, And I saw him giving you all the praises
and the interviews that he's doing and how you really
raised the bar and helped him step it up and
everybody as an actor.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Oh, I you know, I don't see that. If if
I if I was looking at that, I would it
would be like the professor being in the classroom. I'm
just people are responding to being present, you know, like
every interview we have were present, right, But you've interviewed
(10:27):
people were they're not really present, you know, Okay, but
when somebody is present. But I mean with Jason, it's
it's really great because people to go through all kinds
of mascinations to show passion and all kinds of stuff,
and we've been able to do it with a kiss.
It just lit. When the internet let off, you said
(10:53):
like a daughter. That's what Grace said. Grace said, Mom,
I just couldn't watch. I sound like some hand Greek
around your neck and you're like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
But that was an amazing scene though, Let's be clear, okay,
because I was like, what is he about to do?
And if you guys haven't watched that scene alone should
make you be like, let me go back to the
beginning of season six, so I know exactly what's happening,
but there is just a scene where y'all are going
at it with each other. But so funny is that
And this is not really a spoiler, but you have
him wearing your ex husband's coat.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah, Leon Leon comes in and he's like, is that
my coat?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
First of all, Grimy, how are you gonna have this
man wearing your ex husband's coat?
Speaker 3 (11:32):
That's where you know, Thank god, I'm Lennon. She's delicious.
It's like having a girlfriend. And it's like, come on,
I can't like explain her bad behavior because I'm not
I am not her. It was a nice coat of
kind a shafty.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Then took a leather now, oh yeah, but how could you?
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yes, she she doesn't always make the right decision, you know,
But let's see what happens, because I think her she
wants him, she wants she wants them to be more
of their own men. That's really what she needs. Whether
she knows it or not, that's what she needs. And
(12:18):
I think basically that's really what she wants. So let's
see how it shakes out.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
But just think about this ego situation.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Let's go back to wear is somebody else's clothes for
a second. Can you imagine what if you were dating
somebody and they gave you a purse that was somebody
else's purse. Girl, I couldn't exactly you had this man
wearing your ex husband's He.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Didn't know, though.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
That's what the argument was about to find out. So yeah,
that's how the argument started. And then next thing you know,
he's and it's a whole.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Sexy scene because you liked it.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
I liked it.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
She did? Yeah she did. Okay, here we go, let's
she did?
Speaker 3 (13:00):
She did? I mean, but I told Christina, the woman
who Christiana, who wrote that episode, who came up with
that idea, It was like, who would have thought that
anything about that would like I could see is stepping
into delicious shoes. That is right, that that could be exciting,
(13:23):
you know, because she's like, I want you to be yeah,
more aggressive.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
So yeah, it was really interesting to see how the
and when I read it, I was like, oh my god,
this is like so and you know, you never want
anything to be like is this like beyond the realm
of like is.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
It cringey for you?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Oh? Not cringey, but is it I don't want to
say that because there but you know, you just don't
know if it's going to come off to an audience.
Is something corny, yeah, camp or whatever?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
And you don't want it to be like soap opera is.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Yeah, okay, like soap opera is. But we were both
so present in the moment and the writers had the
right instinct that it between the energies of those two actors,
and it really turned into something.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
He was definitely present a career highlight. So I'm sure
it is.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
But listen, the responses were so funny. I was rolling
about four or five days later I started reading the responses.
They were so hysterical. Yeah, they were like, oh.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Look at it, Lady May is making it because they
can't making Simba making Simba Mustafa. It's like, what are
y'all talking about like, how do you even come up
with these things?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Well, that's good that you can laugh and read those things.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yes, has there ever been a time since we're talking
about this that you were like you read something in
a script on a role and you were like, Eh,
I'm not feeling this because I can imagine you having
the because some people might feel like, all right, I
just got to do this.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I gotta do my job.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
But to me, you seem like the type of person
who would be like, this doesn't feel right.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Well, I will say it. Sometimes directors and writers don't agree.
But the great thing about our business, about what we
do in filmmaking, storytelling, is that it's collaborative. Right, just
going way back eaves by you. I kept saying to
(15:40):
Casey Lemon, look, she needs to let him have it.
She needs to really go in on him for being
such a cheater. Yeah, And she said no, no, No.
I said, listen, she might not have a stroke, but
(16:03):
I feel like I'm about to have a stroke. Let
me just letting this happen and just being the silent
fifty something woman. And she said no, you can't, no,
And I was so upset about it. She said you'll
understand later. And when I saw it, it was so
much more powerful that she stayed that she didn't, you know,
(16:27):
go to that place of and then you know, poof,
he lost his life. She didn't have to do anything,
you know what I mean. So sometimes, and you know,
sometimes in the show, I'll say I what do you think?
And it's like, no, we like it like this, And
so you have to then make what is written work,
(16:51):
whether or not it's your instinct or not, okay, but
that's part of the craft sometimes to do so I
had it was Craig was on the showrunner on Greenleaf.
Was was extremely collaborative, uh, and we were able to
do But sometimes the restraint, like not being able to
(17:16):
recraft something.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Just pushes you to challenges. You challenge, challenge.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
How do I make this work? Then? How can I
get this rooted in some kind of truth in the character?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
You know?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
And the meme that I love that people always say, like,
you know, I, what does it say that you played
crazy but you never played broke?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
I know, but that's not always my fault though I
swear I never been broken anything, but yes I have.
I played a maid and Sophie and the Moon anger.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Okay, we gotta flash back to that. But that's a rarity.
I feel like it is.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
The kind of u the woman in the room of
Brewster Place, she didn't have any money, Okay, all right now, No,
it's just that those those ones stand out, you know,
And then I think people hire you because they know
what you do well and they feel like, I can
I pulled that off in a believabul way. But sometimes
I'm like, can it just be a little bit more simple?
(18:16):
And they're like, this is you, but she is all
that right, like really when they yeah, we've sat to
that red coat. You know what the coat was in
the beginning, you know, the full length red fox coat.
It was a red leather coat with fox cuffs and
(18:39):
a fox collar. When I left my fitting, that's what
she was going to wear in that scene. When we
came to the day that we're shooting, we're outside the
cigar bar, you know, in the green room of that place.
They unzipped this bag and they start pulling out this,
(19:01):
I mean and pulling it is a full length, train
length red fough.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I'm like, what it's you in the hell it's this.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
I was like, I can't pull it off. How can
you seriously think you might go shoot somebody with this song?
They're not gonna take her seriously. I was freaked out.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
That's even better.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
I was freaked out, and I started walking up and
down the street trying to own it, to own it
and walk in there believable, because I wanted her to
have authority. I didn't want her to look like she
was right, you know, so, but that's what Quincy and DeAndre,
they're the you know, on site executive producers, and that's
(19:50):
what they wanted.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
No, honestly, like I love to hear your process of
how you kind of get into these roles and for
people to understand like what you go through. I feel,
you know that you really become a person.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Well, yeah, I think it's a I think it's very
important to take human beings seriously and if you're going
to take charge of one and start to communicate, even
if they're doing wrong things, they don't always have to,
but it's my responsibility to channel shift that character's instincts
(20:28):
through me, right, right, And so I do protect them
because I think I feel so often that you know,
black women characters or women characters just thrown down the
river you know with some like bullshit that's not like
really authentically who a human being is, right, or what
(20:50):
a woman what she would really do, and so yeah,
I just try to keep it, keep it real simply. Yeah, yeah,
but just keep it real, keep it really, keep it tryful.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
All right.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
So as we are gearing up towards the finale for
the show for this season, I am praying that we
see you in the next season because I know they've
already started filming.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
For they have, they have, they have.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
She's like, Angela, you are not getting it all right.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
And well they have started.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I said, they've.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Started filming for season seven, so I need to make
sure we see miss Lane Winfield on there, so.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
I know we don't know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Oh yeah, Alicia, Yeah, sorry, Yes, I was really sad
about Leona. I'm not gonna lie because it was And
y'all have such a fun cast, Like when I watched
it to see Candy on here, Yeah, Like it's amazing
to see all the characters on the show, I.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Know, and everybody kind of standing in the middle of
who they are, on the authenticity of people, of of
of of people that our audiences can relate to. You know,
each and every character represents another part of a demographic
of who we are, and people are relating to absolutely
(22:09):
all of them.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Now, I gotta ask you because I've also seen that
in another movie called Albany Road. Yes, so please tell
us something about that, because I've only had a chance
to like just see what the description is.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I need some details.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Okay. So Albany Road is was directed by Christine Swanson,
produced by her husband Michael Swanson. They have been doing
independent film since they were in college. Okay, this is
what they do. They financed this movie and it's an
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unlikely road trip that happens between this woman played by
me not glamorous, okay not, she's like a flat Yeah,
she's a whole different human and this other woman played
by Ranelli's Goldsbery and back in the day, like a
(23:10):
few years before, my character broke up an engagement that
she had with my son. Okayo, and we end up
having to take an absolutely unwanted road trip together because
there's a snowstorm okay, and you can't get to where
we're going any other way.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I want to make sure because I seen you were
at ABFF.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Yeah, we went to ABFF. We're going to be at
Martha's Vineyard Film Festival. We got the Thumbs Up award
at the Robert Roger Eberts Festival.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Like, you have been in this business, killing it for
such a long time. And when I tell you our
lip service episode, like normally people will be sometimes hating
our stuff, it was like unanimously they loved you on there.
And I think that's a true testament, like to just
what you bring when you walk in the room, just
like what you exude for people who are paying attention
(24:10):
and watching.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Well, you know, I think if you have respect and
regard for people and if you just come you know,
if you're just coming to the table to share and
not have all the confusion going on, you know, all
the things and holding back and this and that and
grudges and complex feelings that I it's it's like a
(24:34):
no brainer. And people like feeling included, right, And that's
what I that's what I have to get in the
social media because.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Listen, you take these long breaks, but now you've been active.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
I know, but I keep saying, like do people really care?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Listen, I'm gonna tell you what you have that no
one else has the most amazing throwback pictures.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
There was one that recently went viral. It was you.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
It was Vanessa Williams, Vanessa Cali and Jasmine Guy. Yeah,
and Jasmin Guy was up here the other day. But
that picture is like I think that's like a piece
of art, but.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
It's really has stood the test of time too.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
It looks like artwork.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Things like that, yeah, you know, and just seeing that,
but then also seeing you with the met Gala, like
all these different things back in the day, you and
Halle Berry and you know, I feel like for social media,
you have the most amazing like you know, and then.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
I got to do more. I gotta do more because
I can say you have a conversation yes, say yeah, yeah, yeah,
encouraged me, encouraged me and you and people want to
people want to know they do, and you have the resume,
you have the relationships I saw, like even you and
Lena Waite have known each other, you know, for some time,
(25:54):
so that must be nice for you to have those
relationships where people are like, we want you on here.
How did that even work for you to be on
the shot? Did she just yeah, it was I was
I was invited to be and it was only for
three episodes or so, like a small arc, and then
it just kept going.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Keeper, she's a keeper. Well, listen, I appreciate you so much.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
I know you have a whole ton of press that
you're doing, but honestly, like it means a lot to
me that you always stopped by. I heard you walked
here from your hotel. Yeah, never gonna get here because
everyone's going to stop her.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Yes, no, it was. The street was almost like empty.
And you know they have those little tunnels and you can.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Just shoot, okay, say we just we took that.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yeah, we took that down, we took the little short cut. Yeah.
But yeah. And also I want to say, like I
met you, you know what, I don't know when we
did the breakfast club, but just seeing how you've grown
and continue to develop and build your pillars of how
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you do it, it's so inspiring.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
I will thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
You know, you're the bar. I told you that when
you walked in here. You're the bar for everybody in
every industry, no matter what it is that we're doing.
To be consistent. You know, the only thing you're lacking
is you need to do your social medium.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
But I know, I know, I'm going to stay stay
on me.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
You Yeah, send you a DM like you haven't posted
in a few days, okay, yes, And I like even
when you post the clips from the work that you're doing,
you know, But I feel like people love to hear
the personal side of you too, because you give us
a lot of gems, you know.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
And yes, I'm gonna learn, well, I'm going to learn
to do that on you know. It's different when I'm
sitting here with you, right right, I understand that like
your aspiring, you're you know it. I want to be
honest with you. If you ask me something, I want
to answer it rapidly, right, But just sitting down by
myself and turn it on a camera like y'all are wondering,
(27:53):
like how I'm feeling. This is all like who gives up?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
They do? Trust me? Nobody care.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
I'm sorry. It's just so odd to out and start
talking about yourself.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
You went grace, y'all did that that photo shoot together
from meth Eater a while? Yeah, beautiful, amazing. People need
to see that, you know, like, yes, what you're.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Doing, Oh, yes, she's doing great stuff. And like you said,
she's gonna come on when she when she releases her
epee and things.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah we're going we outside, Okay, we outside?
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Right?
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, all right, Well, listen, I appreciate you so much.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I'll be tuning in to see what's gonna happen on
this season finale, and.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Please I will.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
I'm trying to think, if you're not on season seven,
would I still wash?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
No, no, but no, honestly, thank you so much. It's
always a pleasure to see your face.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Oh, thank you, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
All right, it is way up
Yeah, it's way up and I guess this is my friend.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
You know what I'm saying. Lynn Whitfield is in the building. Hi,
my love.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
And before we started this, I was like, we'll wait
till the cameras are rolling. Yes, but you got us
so lit when you came and did the lip Service podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Oh I had so much fun. Good, I had so
much fun. I mean I did not know what I
was walking into. And when everything started to get real,
I was like, oh, okay, well I'm roll with you.
We all roll with this.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I love that. And now you're like the bar.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
So if somebody's like all lipservy, I said, Lyn Whitfield
did it, and then it's like oh okay. And then
in the comments, people were like, how did y'all get
Lynn Whitfield on lip Service? Like it was such a
big deal. You know, Jamil Hill was in there, like
I've been trying to get an interview with her for
the longest.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Can we make that happen? Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Well, you know what, you got me in there because
it's you, and I trust you. I trust you as
an interviewer. I mean we've been we've I think this
is our third interview that we've done, and I just
trust you that you're gonna land it where it's supposed
to go, that you know where you're going is a
(01:15):
safe space for us to go. And so because I
trust you, it's easy.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
That's important too.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
You know that you say that because sometimes people feel
like interviews have to be like you know, it can
be scary sometimes for people to go to places where
you don't feel like, is this a safe space for
me to be in?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Yeah, but even if it's edgy, and even if it's
even controversial in a way, I trust that you're headed.
Is there's a reason to the.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Madness, and the intentions are always good. Yes.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
We never want you to feel like, oh, I want
you to walk away and be like that was fun, yes,
if nothing else.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
And I did feel so, you know everywhere I went
like girl, Magic City.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
What if you pop up there? It's all and popping.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
But listen, part of what we're here for is the
shy and you have that on fire right now.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
You know what people are saying.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Tell me they want Alicia to take over everything, Okay, they.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Want your character to be in charge.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
They want you to kill someone, they want to kill
Duda basically, Yeah, and you know, we haven't seen the
last episode. Yeah, so we don't know what's going to happen.
But I'm just saying from what I've seen so far
and from what my thoughts are, I keep saying, everybody's
really me. But first of all, I love to see
a powerful woman who is in charge, and a lot
(02:42):
of times we love the villain. And I'm trying to
figure out how much of a villain you are. So
when you think about how you are playing this role
of Alisha on the Shy, what did you decide, like,
as far do you consider yourself a villain? Do you
consider yourself just somebody that's been had a lot of
things done.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
To you that you're just kind of coping with.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
No. I I don't think of her as a villain,
you know. I think if if dudahaddn't killed her brother
and her ex husband, Oh that hurt, right, Leon? I
mean we still we just see I.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Mean, Leon, I know so and you loved him, Yeah,
you could see yeah that you were like please, like
it was like you wanted to get back together with him.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
You could see yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Because there were no lines too that said no. It
was quite add but Okay, good good, yes, because you know, oh,
she loved comfortable love sometimes is like that, like we
can't be together, but I love you, right, and I
would try if you would, you know, but getting all
that and nonverbal communication and behavior, so thank you so
(03:58):
much for getting it. But I think that Alicia had
had that not happened, had those two men in her
life not been taken from her, I don't think that
she would be out gunning for somebody. She'd be you know,
buying up more property and doing the scholarship raising thing
(04:19):
and doing it. I mean, you know it. She was provoked. Yeah,
all right, so let's there was provocation.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Let's dig into that a little.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Okay, So first of all, let me see where do
we start with this. When we think about that, though,
it also feels like you're willing to, as the queen,
use your son as a pawn to go out there
and risk his own life on the front. So so
which is emi Shmper's carriage?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Okay, okay, but here's the thing, not a pawn? Right
In all kinds of family legacy rate, there's you want
to know that your offspring is strong enough if you
came tomorrow, right, something happens you want to know that
(05:12):
they can handle everything, okay, Right, So Alicia was used
to Alicia was used to having her brother handle all
the heavy lifting of retribution or whatever needed to happen.
She didn't have to like know and Leon and Leon
what's his name on there?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Again?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I keep calling I can't what let's call it because
if we can't add Alonzo. So so really she was
kind of like protected from all from having to do
any of that stuff herself.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Right, So.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
She didn't use her son as a pawn, but she
did send him out there in the world to do
something that was danger for him to do. So I
agree with that, but not as a pawn. Do you
think she wanted him to be stronger?
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Did at least I realize how powerful Duda was, though,
you feel like when she did that, because he's really dangerous,
that's the type of thing.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Well, they not for years, and Curtis and I decided
that Curtis, who plays Duda, and I you know, decided
that they probably found each other attractive back in the day,
maybe didn't act on it, but there was that kind
of tension as well. Uh, I don't think that because
(06:45):
she's not really in the street. The time that she
didn't realize how but for her it was more of
a manhood test for him. Okay, I get it that
you're going to be strong enough to match your back
because I mean he's getting all the time, he's he
still speaks to her as if he were a little boy.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
You know, mom, what, Yeah, I'm not feeling like he's capable.
I'm not feeling like he's capable.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Like and it's but you tried, but that that is alicious.
You know, that's her achilles heel. She should be able
to see. That's not That's who your brother was, That's
who your ex husband was able.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
This is not your son's had a good life and
a good upbringing.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Well. Yeah, in the first scene we ever had together,
in the first episode that I was in in the
sixth season. You know, how do you think you got
to go to all those private schools? I think you
got to do all that stuff? How did you walk
around and come from and where did it come from?
You know? So, But as a cautionary tale, I think
(07:59):
that happens often right in real families where the parents
want to force their kids into being able to take
over the family business, being something that they're not. You know,
I think there's a cautionary tale in that.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
For parents, Right, It's like, we want you to have
these streetsmarts, but we don't put you in all these
private schools and.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Made you.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
And you know, and you're a girl mom obviously, you know.
We love Grace Gibson. Yes, So do you ever think
about what life would be like with a son? Also
when you're filming something like this, it's probably a whole different.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
It would be a whole different thing. And when I
got pregnant, I wanted a boy. I wanted a boy
so bad that I was at the opening it was
opening night of Josephine Baker and it was going to
be a MoMA the premiere, right the part of the
(08:58):
premiere party, and the doctor called and said, you're having
a girl. I cried off all my makeup. But why
Because I knew I'd have to grow up.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Absolutely, And it's like I have to be a strong
woman if I'm going to have a girl child. And
I just didn't want to give up my own childhood,
you know, So yes, but I would never ever send
Grace out. Lynn would never send Grace out to do
(09:31):
something that would put her in harm's way to have
her grow up.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Now listen, let's get into this. Because when you did Lipsabers,
we were like, who could Lynn Whitfield date?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
You know, younger guys, you think of somebody.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Well listen.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Then when we watched The Shy and we see these
steamy scenes with Jason Weavers.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
I am so enjoying working with him. Well we have fun, you.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Know, And I saw him giving you all the praises
and the interviews that he's doing and how you really
raised the bar and helped him step it up and
everybody as an actor.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Oh, I you know, I don't see that. If if
I if I was looking at that, I would it
would be like the professor being in the classroom. I'm
just people are responding to being present, you know, like
every interview we have were present, right, But you've interviewed
(10:27):
people were they're not really present, you know, Okay, but
when somebody is present. But I mean with Jason, it's
it's really great because people to go through all kinds
of mascinations to show passion and all kinds of stuff,
and we've been able to do it with a kiss.
It just lit. When the internet let off, you said
(10:53):
like a daughter. That's what Grace said. Grace said, Mom,
I just couldn't watch. I sound like some hand Greek
around your neck and you're like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
But that was an amazing scene though, Let's be clear, okay,
because I was like, what is he about to do?
And if you guys haven't watched that scene alone should
make you be like, let me go back to the
beginning of season six, so I know exactly what's happening,
but there is just a scene where y'all are going
at it with each other. But so funny is that
And this is not really a spoiler, but you have
him wearing your ex husband's coat.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah, Leon Leon comes in and he's like, is that
my coat?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
First of all, Grimy, how are you gonna have this
man wearing your ex husband's coat?
Speaker 3 (11:32):
That's where you know, Thank god, I'm Lennon. She's delicious.
It's like having a girlfriend. And it's like, come on,
I can't like explain her bad behavior because I'm not
I am not her. It was a nice coat of
kind a shafty.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Then took a leather now, oh yeah, but how could you?
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yes, she she doesn't always make the right decision, you know,
But let's see what happens, because I think her she
wants him, she wants she wants them to be more
of their own men. That's really what she needs. Whether
she knows it or not, that's what she needs. And
(12:18):
I think basically that's really what she wants. So let's
see how it shakes out.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
But just think about this ego situation.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Let's go back to wear is somebody else's clothes for
a second. Can you imagine what if you were dating
somebody and they gave you a purse that was somebody
else's purse. Girl, I couldn't exactly you had this man
wearing your ex husband's He.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Didn't know, though.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
That's what the argument was about to find out. So yeah,
that's how the argument started. And then next thing you know,
he's and it's a whole.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Sexy scene because you liked it.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
I liked it.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
She did? Yeah she did. Okay, here we go, let's
she did?
Speaker 3 (13:00):
She did? I mean, but I told Christina, the woman
who Christiana, who wrote that episode, who came up with
that idea, It was like, who would have thought that
anything about that would like I could see is stepping
into delicious shoes. That is right, that that could be exciting,
(13:23):
you know, because she's like, I want you to be yeah,
more aggressive.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
So yeah, it was really interesting to see how the
and when I read it, I was like, oh my god,
this is like so and you know, you never want
anything to be like is this like beyond the realm
of like is.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
It cringey for you?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Oh? Not cringey, but is it I don't want to
say that because there but you know, you just don't
know if it's going to come off to an audience.
Is something corny, yeah, camp or whatever?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
And you don't want it to be like soap opera is.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Yeah, okay, like soap opera is. But we were both
so present in the moment and the writers had the
right instinct that it between the energies of those two actors,
and it really turned into something.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
He was definitely present a career highlight. So I'm sure
it is.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
But listen, the responses were so funny. I was rolling
about four or five days later I started reading the responses.
They were so hysterical. Yeah, they were like, oh.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Look at it, Lady May is making it because they
can't making Simba making Simba Mustafa. It's like, what are
y'all talking about like, how do you even come up
with these things?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Well, that's good that you can laugh and read those things.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yes, has there ever been a time since we're talking
about this that you were like you read something in
a script on a role and you were like, Eh,
I'm not feeling this because I can imagine you having
the because some people might feel like, all right, I
just got to do this.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I gotta do my job.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
But to me, you seem like the type of person
who would be like, this doesn't feel right.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Well, I will say it. Sometimes directors and writers don't agree.
But the great thing about our business, about what we
do in filmmaking, storytelling, is that it's collaborative. Right, just
going way back eaves by you. I kept saying to
(15:40):
Casey Lemon, look, she needs to let him have it.
She needs to really go in on him for being
such a cheater. Yeah, And she said no, no, No.
I said, listen, she might not have a stroke, but
(16:03):
I feel like I'm about to have a stroke. Let
me just letting this happen and just being the silent
fifty something woman. And she said no, you can't, no,
And I was so upset about it. She said you'll
understand later. And when I saw it, it was so
much more powerful that she stayed that she didn't, you know,
(16:27):
go to that place of and then you know, poof,
he lost his life. She didn't have to do anything,
you know what I mean. So sometimes, and you know,
sometimes in the show, I'll say I what do you think?
And it's like, no, we like it like this, And
so you have to then make what is written work,
(16:51):
whether or not it's your instinct or not, okay, but
that's part of the craft sometimes to do so I
had it was Craig was on the showrunner on Greenleaf.
Was was extremely collaborative, uh, and we were able to
do But sometimes the restraint, like not being able to
(17:16):
recraft something.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Just pushes you to challenges. You challenge, challenge.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
How do I make this work? Then? How can I
get this rooted in some kind of truth in the character?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
You know?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
And the meme that I love that people always say, like,
you know, I, what does it say that you played
crazy but you never played broke?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
I know, but that's not always my fault though I
swear I never been broken anything, but yes I have.
I played a maid and Sophie and the Moon anger.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Okay, we gotta flash back to that. But that's a rarity.
I feel like it is.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
The kind of u the woman in the room of
Brewster Place, she didn't have any money, Okay, all right now, No,
it's just that those those ones stand out, you know,
And then I think people hire you because they know
what you do well and they feel like, I can
I pulled that off in a believabul way. But sometimes
I'm like, can it just be a little bit more simple?
(18:16):
And they're like, this is you, but she is all
that right, like really when they yeah, we've sat to
that red coat. You know what the coat was in
the beginning, you know, the full length red fox coat.
It was a red leather coat with fox cuffs and
(18:39):
a fox collar. When I left my fitting, that's what
she was going to wear in that scene. When we
came to the day that we're shooting, we're outside the
cigar bar, you know, in the green room of that place.
They unzipped this bag and they start pulling out this,
(19:01):
I mean and pulling it is a full length, train
length red fough.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I'm like, what it's you in the hell it's this.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
I was like, I can't pull it off. How can
you seriously think you might go shoot somebody with this song?
They're not gonna take her seriously. I was freaked out.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
That's even better.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
I was freaked out, and I started walking up and
down the street trying to own it, to own it
and walk in there believable, because I wanted her to
have authority. I didn't want her to look like she
was right, you know, so, but that's what Quincy and DeAndre,
they're the you know, on site executive producers, and that's
(19:50):
what they wanted.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
No, honestly, like I love to hear your process of
how you kind of get into these roles and for
people to understand like what you go through. I feel,
you know that you really become a person.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Well, yeah, I think it's a I think it's very
important to take human beings seriously and if you're going
to take charge of one and start to communicate, even
if they're doing wrong things, they don't always have to,
but it's my responsibility to channel shift that character's instincts
(20:28):
through me, right, right, And so I do protect them
because I think I feel so often that you know,
black women characters or women characters just thrown down the
river you know with some like bullshit that's not like
really authentically who a human being is, right, or what
(20:50):
a woman what she would really do, and so yeah,
I just try to keep it, keep it real simply. Yeah, yeah,
but just keep it real, keep it really, keep it tryful.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
All right.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
So as we are gearing up towards the finale for
the show for this season, I am praying that we
see you in the next season because I know they've
already started filming.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
For they have, they have, they have.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
She's like, Angela, you are not getting it all right.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
And well they have started.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I said, they've.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Started filming for season seven, so I need to make
sure we see miss Lane Winfield on there, so.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
I know we don't know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Oh yeah, Alicia, Yeah, sorry, Yes, I was really sad
about Leona. I'm not gonna lie because it was And
y'all have such a fun cast, Like when I watched
it to see Candy on here, Yeah, Like it's amazing
to see all the characters on the show, I.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Know, and everybody kind of standing in the middle of
who they are, on the authenticity of people, of of
of of people that our audiences can relate to. You know,
each and every character represents another part of a demographic
of who we are, and people are relating to absolutely
(22:09):
all of them.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Now, I gotta ask you because I've also seen that
in another movie called Albany Road. Yes, so please tell
us something about that, because I've only had a chance
to like just see what the description is.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I need some details.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Okay. So Albany Road is was directed by Christine Swanson,
produced by her husband Michael Swanson. They have been doing
independent film since they were in college. Okay, this is
what they do. They financed this movie and it's an
(22:45):
unlikely road trip that happens between this woman played by
me not glamorous, okay not, she's like a flat Yeah,
she's a whole different human and this other woman played
by Ranelli's Goldsbery and back in the day, like a
(23:10):
few years before, my character broke up an engagement that
she had with my son. Okayo, and we end up
having to take an absolutely unwanted road trip together because
there's a snowstorm okay, and you can't get to where
we're going any other way.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I want to make sure because I seen you were
at ABFF.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Yeah, we went to ABFF. We're going to be at
Martha's Vineyard Film Festival. We got the Thumbs Up award
at the Robert Roger Eberts Festival.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Like, you have been in this business, killing it for
such a long time. And when I tell you our
lip service episode, like normally people will be sometimes hating
our stuff, it was like unanimously they loved you on there.
And I think that's a true testament, like to just
what you bring when you walk in the room, just
like what you exude for people who are paying attention
(24:10):
and watching.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Well, you know, I think if you have respect and
regard for people and if you just come you know,
if you're just coming to the table to share and
not have all the confusion going on, you know, all
the things and holding back and this and that and
grudges and complex feelings that I it's it's like a
(24:34):
no brainer. And people like feeling included, right, And that's
what I that's what I have to get in the
social media because.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Listen, you take these long breaks, but now you've been active.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
I know, but I keep saying, like do people really care?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Listen, I'm gonna tell you what you have that no
one else has the most amazing throwback pictures.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
There was one that recently went viral. It was you.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
It was Vanessa Williams, Vanessa Cali and Jasmine Guy. Yeah,
and Jasmin Guy was up here the other day. But
that picture is like I think that's like a piece
of art, but.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
It's really has stood the test of time too.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
It looks like artwork.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Things like that, yeah, you know, and just seeing that,
but then also seeing you with the met Gala, like
all these different things back in the day, you and
Halle Berry and you know, I feel like for social media,
you have the most amazing like you know, and then.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
I got to do more. I gotta do more because
I can say you have a conversation yes, say yeah, yeah, yeah,
encouraged me, encouraged me and you and people want to
people want to know they do, and you have the resume,
you have the relationships I saw, like even you and
Lena Waite have known each other, you know, for some time,
(25:54):
so that must be nice for you to have those
relationships where people are like, we want you on here.
How did that even work for you to be on
the shot? Did she just yeah, it was I was
I was invited to be and it was only for
three episodes or so, like a small arc, and then
it just kept going.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Keeper, she's a keeper. Well, listen, I appreciate you so much.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
I know you have a whole ton of press that
you're doing, but honestly, like it means a lot to
me that you always stopped by. I heard you walked
here from your hotel. Yeah, never gonna get here because
everyone's going to stop her.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Yes, no, it was. The street was almost like empty.
And you know they have those little tunnels and you can.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Just shoot, okay, say we just we took that.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yeah, we took that down, we took the little short cut. Yeah.
But yeah. And also I want to say, like I
met you, you know what, I don't know when we
did the breakfast club, but just seeing how you've grown
and continue to develop and build your pillars of how
(26:57):
you do it, it's so inspiring.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
I will thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
You know, you're the bar. I told you that when
you walked in here. You're the bar for everybody in
every industry, no matter what it is that we're doing.
To be consistent. You know, the only thing you're lacking
is you need to do your social medium.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
But I know, I know, I'm going to stay stay
on me.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
You Yeah, send you a DM like you haven't posted
in a few days, okay, yes, And I like even
when you post the clips from the work that you're doing,
you know, But I feel like people love to hear
the personal side of you too, because you give us
a lot of gems, you know.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
And yes, I'm gonna learn, well, I'm going to learn
to do that on you know. It's different when I'm
sitting here with you, right right, I understand that like
your aspiring, you're you know it. I want to be
honest with you. If you ask me something, I want
to answer it rapidly, right, But just sitting down by
myself and turn it on a camera like y'all are wondering,
(27:53):
like how I'm feeling. This is all like who gives up?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
They do? Trust me? Nobody care.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
I'm sorry. It's just so odd to out and start
talking about yourself.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
You went grace, y'all did that that photo shoot together
from meth Eater a while? Yeah, beautiful, amazing. People need
to see that, you know, like, yes, what you're.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Doing, Oh, yes, she's doing great stuff. And like you said,
she's gonna come on when she when she releases her
epee and things.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah we're going we outside, Okay, we outside?
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Right?
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, all right, Well, listen, I appreciate you so much.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I'll be tuning in to see what's gonna happen on
this season finale, and.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Please I will.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
I'm trying to think, if you're not on season seven,
would I still wash?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
No, no, but no, honestly, thank you so much. It's
always a pleasure to see your face.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Oh, thank you, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
All right, it is way up
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